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Speaker 1: Good evening, good evening. This is talking Point and in
Speaker 1: the beginning was the word. That's our series for the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. Welcome to the new year. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We had a bit of
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Speaker 1: in the beginning was the word and the concept is
Speaker 1: for us to begin with some Bible study and we're
Speaker 1: looking forward to delve in deep into the Beatitudes, which
Speaker 1: was the beginning of Christ's Sermon on the Mount. To
Speaker 1: help us do that is past the Nick the Talents,
Speaker 1: and we will talk to him shortly and he will
Speaker 1: help us lead this discussion for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: As usual with me is Angela and member of the team,
Speaker 1: the baby of the team, Mulember is also on tonight.
Speaker 1: Pedro had some other commitments, but he may pop on later,
Speaker 1: so we'll leave the door open for him. Angela Malember,
Speaker 1: how are you this evening?
Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to Talking Points. Yes, another week,
Speaker 2: and can we still say Happy New Year? I certainly
Speaker 2: have so the new year to be saying that, So
Speaker 2: I'm going to wash everybody a happy new year again.
Speaker 2: I hope your week has been a good one, and
Speaker 2: you know your twenty twenty five has started off well,
Speaker 2: so yeah, and I'm good. It's been a really busy,
Speaker 2: busy week for me. I had a few things to
Speaker 2: be doing. I had a few days off to kind
Speaker 2: of have time to do stuff. So but I was
Speaker 2: very very busy doing some preparation for some stuff I
Speaker 2: had to do. I don't want to say what. A
Speaker 2: lot of prayer was put down. Yeah, it's in God's hands.
Speaker 2: Whatever's going to happen with a new opportunity, so we'll
Speaker 2: see what goes there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Still coughing away, so it's not quite fully better with that.
Speaker 2: And I guess another I suppose a highlight of my week,
Speaker 2: if you can call it that, I actually got some
Speaker 2: new glasses. You know, my eyesight has starting to dwindle
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's a natural.
Speaker 2: Process of aging, as it were, but i'd lost a
Speaker 2: pair and I was like, I can't really see him,
Speaker 2: sort of using some cheap andes. But I actually went
Speaker 2: and got some new glasses, and it's just been really
Speaker 2: great to be able to see a little bit more
Speaker 2: clearly having to struggle too much. So yeah's things to do,
Speaker 2: but yeah, oh good. The week is flowing, pass is
Speaker 2: always here. We are another Sabbath.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm good. I'm good, wonderful. I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: maybe we should open up the zoom and we'll talk
Speaker 1: offline about that, and then next week maybe our listeners
Speaker 1: can see you and the brand new glasses in Actually,
Speaker 1: I'll see how that goes. We'll see how that goes. Remember,
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Speaker 1: How are you doing? How was your week? Happy New
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Speaker 4: Okay, believing in everybody? Happy new Year, Happy twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy, honestly, I don't know. For some reason,
Speaker 4: I can really feel that the year is so new.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited for this year and everything it has
Speaker 4: in store for me. I just pray that it's going
Speaker 4: to be a good year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Otherwise, I'm happy you've been part of Talking Points, just
Speaker 4: like Senior has said, very new to Chalking Points, and
Speaker 4: I'm so excited for this journey. I honestly can't wait
Speaker 4: to be a part of more programs as and when
Speaker 4: I'm available. I'll definitely hope on any show that comes
Speaker 4: my way. I love to talk, I love to share
Speaker 4: these I love to listen to other people share their
Speaker 4: views and just learn and get different people's perspectives. Otherwise,
Speaker 4: here we are. I've had a lovely week. My work
Speaker 4: was good, going back to work after a holiday. I
Speaker 4: had December holiday two weeks, then went back to work
Speaker 4: this week, so you know, after resting, getting back to
Speaker 4: work in But anyway.
Speaker 1: Here for it.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for the new year. Yeah, yeah, good evening
Speaker 4: and everyone, Hellosna, Hi Angela.
Speaker 2: With us today.
Speaker 1: And I love the excitement. I'm not sure I am
Speaker 1: as excited about the new year. In fact, I've just
Speaker 1: been kind of looking at what's happening across the globe,
Speaker 1: just briefly, because if you look too intently, you might
Speaker 1: get discouraged. There is just so much going on, from
Speaker 1: snow to fires, cheers, potential viruses. I mean, but god,
Speaker 1: it is all I can say there, But God.
Speaker 2: We trust. Are so sad. I've been. I've been, you know,
Speaker 2: catching a few videos of people who are just like
Speaker 2: like I've just lost everything.
Speaker 4: Just before we started, I saw a video of this man.
Speaker 4: He was he wanted to cry, but he said it
Speaker 4: can only be good. I shouldn't even cry because he's
Speaker 4: in between two his neighbor on the left the house
Speaker 4: was burn down, and his neighbor on the right his
Speaker 4: house was burnt down, and he's in the middle. His
Speaker 4: house wasn't burnt down, and he's just saying, it can
Speaker 4: only be good. My house is intact, it's there, but
Speaker 4: my neighbors have lost everything, and I felt so bad.
Speaker 4: But then you're like, only God.
Speaker 2: As people have lost things, they're also saying, but we
Speaker 2: have our lives, and you know, we can start over
Speaker 2: as it were, and whilst that's not going to be easy,
Speaker 2: we're still here.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's that's the crux of the matter,
Speaker 1: isn't it that we there's not I'm not heard of
Speaker 1: any Again, I haven't been following so so intently, but
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that there's been major loss of life.
Speaker 1: So with that we give God thanks. Even in the
Speaker 1: store storms that have have'say stop snow storms that have
Speaker 1: sort of been in the US, and I understand it's
Speaker 1: one of the worst that they've seen in years. Still
Speaker 1: again we've not heard of loss of life or a
Speaker 1: lot of loss of life. Again, I don't know the
Speaker 1: full details. So it's really good to know that God
Speaker 1: is still in control amidst the chaos, amidst the calamities,
Speaker 1: He's still in control, and we keep a watchful eye
Speaker 1: on China.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I say it because I'm not sure anybody's ready to
Speaker 1: go back to where we were in twenty twenty God forbid.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's just a lot going on. What we
Speaker 1: give God thiens and we look forward to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five in faith, just praying that all will be well.
Speaker 1: In fact, let's just pray at this point, and then
Speaker 1: we'll welcome Past Vitalis, who's been waiting for patiently into
Speaker 1: the conversation. He wants to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: where he's act for twenty twenty five, to give us
Speaker 1: a little introduction as to who he is. Those who
Speaker 1: have been with us for the number of years that
Speaker 1: we've been on Talking Point, our loyal listeners may have
Speaker 1: heard him before, because he certainly has been on the
Speaker 1: program before. But for those who do not know him,
Speaker 1: then he will offer a brief introduction. So yeah, let's
Speaker 1: pray and let's jump right into it, because as always,
Speaker 1: when the time flies, it flies. The heavenly Father, thank
Speaker 1: you for another opportunity to have a conversation. Talking Point
Speaker 1: is about conversations, and today specifically, we are delving into
Speaker 1: the world. Lord, May your spirit have its way in
Speaker 1: Jesus' name, I pray Amen and amen aaster Minnie? Are
Speaker 1: you there? Can you hear me? Loud and clear? And
Speaker 1: it's out?
Speaker 3: And I would thank you guys for the privilege of
Speaker 3: joining you on this absolutely amazing program. Nice meeting you, remember,
Speaker 3: which I could say, which I could say. I'm a
Speaker 3: bit more popular than you, but you will be here
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot more than me. I visit every
Speaker 3: now and then. You don't welcome to the program, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I I really, I'm sure I will. When I
Speaker 3: listen on, I will be hearing a little bit more
Speaker 3: about you and from you, and of course Angela Angela,
Speaker 3: so yeah right, yeah, so you a little bit more
Speaker 3: about me. Titalist is my full name, Fitalists. I've been
Speaker 3: in ministry for about fifteen years now, originally from the
Speaker 3: beautiful island of Saint Lucia. Well that's about me. So
Speaker 3: I initially passed an instance in Lucia and I'm currently
Speaker 3: the senior pastor in the not even conference of the
Speaker 3: whole Grimsby and consort as the churches. What else is there?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
Speaker 3: Xenia is good. Yeah, no, no, I.
Speaker 1: Was saying, that's good because you've laid the foundation in
Speaker 1: terms of your years in ministry, and as we're about
Speaker 1: to unpack the Bible and the Word, then it's useful
Speaker 1: to understand what you're your sort of what you're bringing
Speaker 1: to the discussion.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, excellent, excellent, I quite quite agree. Yeah. So,
Speaker 3: of course, as you highlighted, Xenia, I'm going to be
Speaker 3: speaking a little bit about the attitudes, most likely the
Speaker 3: first form of them, and I'm really hoping that it's
Speaker 3: going to be as as we talk, really as we
Speaker 3: just help do this study, that is going to be
Speaker 3: a blessing to everyone as much as it has been
Speaker 3: to me. And I'm sure that I will be blessed
Speaker 3: again because there's never a time that you go into
Speaker 3: the world that you're not blessed the same way I've
Speaker 3: gone in and God have you know, opened up certain
Speaker 3: things to me. I'm sure as we talk, as we discuss,
Speaker 3: he's going to allow you guys to share that's also
Speaker 3: going to be a blessing to me. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: just really looking looking forward to spending the next couple
Speaker 3: of weeks with you as we as we just look
Speaker 3: into this word.
Speaker 1: Well for me, and I'm sure Angela and Malember will
Speaker 1: have their own perspective on this, and I'm persenic you
Speaker 1: can correct me or add to to to where I'm
Speaker 1: coming from the be attitudes and always thought that it
Speaker 1: was about a blessed attitude, and having done a little
Speaker 1: bit of research in preparation for the conversation, I understand
Speaker 1: that the attitude stems from a Greek word which is
Speaker 1: very similar. I'm not going to attempt to say it,
Speaker 1: but it means blessed, and to be fair, that is
Speaker 1: what the beatitudes are about, each each one beginning with
Speaker 1: blessed or blessed is And it's a very for me,
Speaker 1: a very good point to start the year on in
Speaker 1: that we are understanding what Christ meant by on what
Speaker 1: he hoped to accomplish through through our through us on earth.
Speaker 1: Is Kingdom on Earth? And what are the rewards and
Speaker 1: what are the responsibilities? So that's that's my take in
Speaker 1: a nutshell or of the beattitudes, But maybe you can
Speaker 1: kind of lay a bit more of a foundation before
Speaker 1: we go into specifically the first of those. What are
Speaker 1: we talking about?
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure if the the attitudes, of course is a
Speaker 3: part of a greater narrative, which is the Sermon on
Speaker 3: the Mount. And of course, in our capacity as preachers,
Speaker 3: whenever we engage the word, the Word of God, if
Speaker 3: you're going to preach, preach a small portion. But I
Speaker 3: would encourage everyone really to look at the entirety of
Speaker 3: the message. So from chapter five of Matthew down to
Speaker 3: chapter six into chapter seven, you would see a very
Speaker 3: beautifully put artistic message that Christ Christ Christ gives and
Speaker 3: he theres a particular order in which he gives it,
Speaker 3: just just to just give you a brief one. Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So after the the attitudes and so on, he goes
Speaker 3: into this teaching on the law where there is this
Speaker 3: this constant phrase that you hear, Uh, you've been told
Speaker 3: or you heard, but I tell you so you you
Speaker 3: heard x y Z about the law. But I tell
Speaker 3: you here is how it has to be applied. Uh.
Speaker 3: So he does that here when you go into chapter
Speaker 3: six I think it is, yes, into chapter six, he
Speaker 3: he takes he brings it up or not. He then
Speaker 3: speaks to our individual spirituality again, yeah, normal phrase, and
Speaker 3: the normal phrase there is whatever you do in secret,
Speaker 3: your father will reward you openly. And he gives a
Speaker 3: series of teachings on on these and then you delve
Speaker 3: into chapter seven. In chapter seven, Jesus takes some time
Speaker 3: and he again just begins to give a little bit more,
Speaker 3: and you would see there again the emphasis there is
Speaker 3: where he speaks about the importance of being careful and
Speaker 3: exercising faith and so on. So realistically speaking, I want
Speaker 3: to encourage persons don't look at the the attitudes simply
Speaker 3: by themselves. I think while their blessings there, if you
Speaker 3: look at them as part of the whole teaching, one
Speaker 3: thing becomes very important, and it is this the the
Speaker 3: attitudes actually from the foundation, the spiritual foundation upon which
Speaker 3: everything else Jesus teaches in the Summer on the Mount
Speaker 3: is built. So it's one thing to take what he
Speaker 3: says about the law. But unless unless you you you
Speaker 3: have that foundation first, you are likely going to miss
Speaker 3: some of it. And so so you're not wrong, you're
Speaker 3: not wrong, But there's a heavy spiritual component to it,
Speaker 3: upon which this phenomenal teaching from Christ is built. There's
Speaker 3: something else that I want to share, and it is
Speaker 3: the fact that when you when you when you look
Speaker 3: at the beattitudes, yeah, you will discover that there is
Speaker 3: this vertical and horizontal as aspect to it. So the
Speaker 3: the relationship between us and God and relationship between us
Speaker 3: and our fellow men, now where we where else we
Speaker 3: see that, we see it. With the ten commandments, the
Speaker 3: first four has to do with our love for God.
Speaker 3: The last six has to do with our love for man.
Speaker 3: Because when Christ was asked was the greatest commandment, he
Speaker 3: was asked one question. Uh, he answered by giving to it,
Speaker 3: says the first is a level of lot of your
Speaker 3: God with all your heart, soul of mind, and the
Speaker 3: second your neighbor as yourself. When you look at the
Speaker 3: Lord spread When you look at the Lot's prayer, you
Speaker 3: see the same format. The initial part of the prayer
Speaker 3: has everything to do with our relationship with God, and
Speaker 3: the last bit of that prayer that's when we pray
Speaker 3: forgive us and as we forgive those who also stress
Speaker 3: us against us. When you look at the beatitudes, the
Speaker 3: very same format follows. And that's not surprising because of
Speaker 3: the critical teaching that Christ gives hair in the someone
Speaker 3: on the mouth. So the first for the attitudes, which
Speaker 3: is what will be spending some time looking at in
Speaker 3: this series, the first for the attitudes has absolutely everything
Speaker 3: to do with our relationship with God. The last five,
Speaker 3: that's where you go a little bit into that's when
Speaker 3: you go a little bit into how we relate to others.
Speaker 3: Maybe at some point I'm happy to come back for
Speaker 3: us to look at the last five. But now I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a very good place to start off with the
Speaker 3: first four. So so so. So there's that, but there's something,
Speaker 3: as you said, uh, as it relates to the that
Speaker 3: way that keeps being repeated in the the attitudes. I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's good to just establish with there's some
Speaker 3: general truths about the attitudes, so that when we go
Speaker 3: into the individual ones, we we have a nice foundation
Speaker 3: and nice platform that we are working on and working with.
Speaker 3: Here is the thing, now, you guys are going to
Speaker 3: have to forgive me. Yeah, with with my my background
Speaker 3: in theology, I recently completed my emmy in systematics theology,
Speaker 3: so I have I am I take the whole Greek
Speaker 3: at the eglisy to our next level. So you'll have
Speaker 3: to forgive me tonight if I if I'm sounding a
Speaker 3: little bit like I'm in too heavy, But what I
Speaker 3: found is that the this parity that exists between our
Speaker 3: modern day English language and the Greek that the Bible
Speaker 3: was written in, it is so far apart that if
Speaker 3: you really want to get a nice grasp of of
Speaker 3: what the Bible is saying, it would be wise to
Speaker 3: be able to delve into the Greek as well. And
Speaker 3: the good thing here is Greek is not only available
Speaker 3: to people who went to a seminary like myself. There
Speaker 3: are a number of websites online that are available where
Speaker 3: you are able to go in and get some Greek words.
Speaker 3: So even though you don't understand what is written, what's
Speaker 3: important is understanding the meaning and so on. Yes, so
Speaker 3: there's something here that I think I would love to
Speaker 3: just just to engage you guys on there's a question.
Speaker 3: We we see Jesus starts every single beattitude with what
Speaker 3: is well? What is translated into the English as blessed?
Speaker 3: And I like what you've already done here X on it.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if any what? What? What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on it? What do you think
Speaker 3: that would blessed means? What do you think you know?
Speaker 3: When he said blessed is an answer on what do
Speaker 3: you think that would blessed means? Well?
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get from Angie and Malember
Speaker 1: what their thoughts are on the beattitude. So maybe Angie
Speaker 1: you said you wanted to kind of jump in. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it's the answer to this question or
Speaker 1: it kind of sets that up, but what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts about the beattitudes? I mean, it's interest that you
Speaker 1: standing it is that you kind of in that past
Speaker 1: is highlighting that word because I guess despite what the
Speaker 1: things are, there's still we're still what's the word fortunate,
Speaker 1: or we could be happily highly favored, or there's still
Speaker 1: despite the challenges, there's still something good that may come
Speaker 1: from that because it almost seems like, you know, despite
Speaker 1: whatever's happening. So you know, the first one being we're
Speaker 1: going to go into them, but you know, the pooring
Speaker 1: spirit or those who mourn. So it's what I like
Speaker 1: about the attitudes is how I think Party has mentioned
Speaker 1: is how almost visual it is, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: say visual or practical. Jesus was a great storyteller, so
Speaker 1: the way in which he's kind of explained that, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's despite your situation, there's still a blessing
Speaker 1: despite whatever. So that's how I'm how I'm seeing some
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know if I'm in the right.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the right thing there, But you know,
Speaker 1: I think this is.
Speaker 4: How agree with Angela, just like is saying when we
Speaker 4: here blessed are the poor in spirit? My first thought
Speaker 4: when it comes to the word blessing is enjoying, like
Speaker 4: God's the privilege of God's blessings, his blessings again, but
Speaker 4: it's almost like a privilege for you to go through
Speaker 4: what you are going through. It's like divinely, like a
Speaker 4: divine favor upon you. You're fortunate enough to be going
Speaker 4: through what you are going through, so it's a privilege
Speaker 4: that you are poor in spirit. I'm sure we're going
Speaker 4: to get to the poor in spirit later on, but
Speaker 4: just from the word blessed, it's it's something good. I
Speaker 4: should say, you have been fortunate. It's fortunate enough that
Speaker 4: you're going through that that you're going through. I'm sure
Speaker 4: we'll explain more as we go through the text. I
Speaker 4: don't to prompt anything or go.
Speaker 1: Forward, yeah and past, yeah, and answer of your question.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. But the word blessed is in
Speaker 1: a sense highly favored or favored or or or having
Speaker 1: having got to the edge of being yes in spite
Speaker 1: of or because of.
Speaker 2: What's good in your life as well. You know, even
Speaker 2: with the chamlenges, there's good things, there's blessings, there's.
Speaker 1: God is good, God is goods. Have we hit have
Speaker 1: we hit the mark? Or or there's more to.
Speaker 3: You're there, you're there, but there is more more so God.
Speaker 3: For example, in the Kadi's version, the wood is blessed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some other versions they don't use the world blessed to
Speaker 3: use the word happy, and there are some other versions
Speaker 3: where the would satisfied it's used her is herr is
Speaker 3: The interesting thing, all three of those words carry a
Speaker 3: part of the meaning of that original Greek word that
Speaker 3: is used. None of them are able to really capture
Speaker 3: all of it. As a matter of fact, if even
Speaker 3: if you use all three of them, uh this, they're
Speaker 3: still inadequate to really bring out the true meaning of
Speaker 3: what Jesus was saying. And I don't know for me
Speaker 3: what I what I understood what that word blessed meant. Well, okay,
Speaker 3: so the Greek word is the word macarry macarryos, from
Speaker 3: which the word macary oi comes from. When I look
Speaker 3: at what it meant, oh my gosh, guys. For me,
Speaker 3: I was just so blown away at how much God
Speaker 3: loves us and how much he gives us. And it
Speaker 3: got me to a point where I really began to
Speaker 3: understand the reason that He began the teachings of the
Speaker 3: Sermon on the Mount with these. So let me let
Speaker 3: me just share this history at the word. One word
Speaker 3: that comes closest enough in the English to describe what
Speaker 3: that word macarryo mean is gonna be. It's not gonna
Speaker 3: make much sense to you towards here is the word untouchable.
Speaker 1: Okay, right now.
Speaker 3: Is exactly so that that was also my reaction. Now,
Speaker 3: Jesse margin Hair, I did the great kind of went
Speaker 3: to seminary and blah blah, blah blah. When I discovered it,
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa untouchable?
Speaker 6: How?
Speaker 3: But then just the word untouchable alone in our modern
Speaker 3: day context wouldn't quite give us an the true meaning
Speaker 3: of it, all the true on the obvious. So we'll
Speaker 3: have to go into the classical Greeks to see how
Speaker 3: that word was used back then. And Harris Harry is
Speaker 3: what is absolutely mind blowing. The word McCarry joy was
Speaker 3: used as a phrase for the elites in society, those
Speaker 3: persons who are rich, And the reason they're called macarry
Speaker 3: untouched the book is because because of their riches, they
Speaker 3: are considered to be persons who are not affected, persons
Speaker 3: who are not touched by poverty, and persons who don't
Speaker 3: really who are not going to be the ones running
Speaker 3: around to clean the house and to clean their No,
Speaker 3: they have servants for that. So for that reason, h
Speaker 3: in my in my country there we would call folks
Speaker 3: like that bourgeois. I guess I'm coming from a French background.
Speaker 3: So so those persons who are rich, those people who
Speaker 3: are up there, who have all that money and so on,
Speaker 3: who are not affected heavily by the stuff that the
Speaker 3: average Joe is affected by. That is the word I
Speaker 3: was used to describe them. Now, what's even more interesting,
Speaker 3: heir right, is that that same word is also used
Speaker 3: to describe the Greek gods. And remember, of course, in
Speaker 3: those the genders, they had a series of gods as
Speaker 3: use for and so on and for them. The reason
Speaker 3: that the Greek gods were called macarry is because those
Speaker 3: Greek gods lived and existed in the heavens where they
Speaker 3: were away from poverty, and unlike the elite of the earth,
Speaker 3: they were also away from sickness and death. So it's like,
Speaker 3: this idea of being untouchable means that whatever is that
Speaker 3: you have, whatever privileges that you have, nothing at all
Speaker 3: can affect it. So the idea of untouchable brings a
Speaker 3: sense of security and safety. But that's not all. That's
Speaker 3: something else that is that really really, really really helped
Speaker 3: me appreciate more the importance and necessity of just pursuing Christ.
Speaker 3: Just pursue Christ, because honestly, nothing else in the world
Speaker 3: really matters. There's nothing else that that would possibly give
Speaker 3: you what Christ is able to give. And here it is.
Speaker 3: The word also means to be self sufficient, in other words,
Speaker 3: in other words, Yes, the word happy explains it, the
Speaker 3: word blessed explicit, The word satisfy explains it that happiness,
Speaker 3: that that blessedness of being fortunate, or that satisfaction is
Speaker 3: not something that you're dependent on anything outside of you.
Speaker 3: It is in dwelling. It's it's within you. Let me
Speaker 3: just share two passages of Scripture just to bring out
Speaker 3: that point. Yeah, and then I'll be happy to get
Speaker 3: your your your take on it. It looks fourteen, thirteen
Speaker 3: and fourteen. Here's what Jesus says. He says, but when
Speaker 3: you give a fist, invite the poor, the quippled, the lame,
Speaker 3: the blind, and he says, and you will be blessed
Speaker 3: simul with macarry on. Why because they cannot repay you. Okay.
Speaker 3: So then he goes in fotun and he says, for
Speaker 3: you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.
Speaker 3: In other words, you you believe that life of of
Speaker 3: being a blessing to others. And here is the guarantee
Speaker 3: I'm giving you your You will be on spiritually untouchable.
Speaker 3: What about you is spiritually untouchable. Your your repayment will
Speaker 3: be at the reserve for the just. And if that
Speaker 3: is your repayment, there is nothing. The devil can do nothing,
Speaker 3: Your ANYI can do nothing, your hiatus can do that
Speaker 3: is going to interfere with that. That is the chure
Speaker 3: and it is safe just for you. Yeah, he's one more.
Speaker 3: Here's one more. There's one more in James five and eleven.
Speaker 3: Again it's it just brings out the same concept. Behold,
Speaker 3: we consider those blessed similar who remains stepfast, We consider
Speaker 3: that those blessed who remain faithful, who didn't give up
Speaker 3: on God. Then he goes from you have heard of
Speaker 3: the stepfastness of Joe, and you're seen the purpose of
Speaker 3: the Lord. How the Lord is get this compassionate and
Speaker 3: merciful and so here's what he's saying. So, so, how
Speaker 3: are those who remain faithful to God spiritually untouchable? Here's
Speaker 3: what he's saying. God's passion and God's merciful is yours.
Speaker 3: No one can touch that, no one can interfere with it.
Speaker 3: God's favor is yours. Is annoyting is yours. There is
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing anyone can do to interfere with that. So
Speaker 3: this idea of Macarryo is and I like that. In
Speaker 3: the original Greek, every single one of the parables actually
Speaker 3: starts with with that wild so it's not just in
Speaker 3: the English. So you are spiritually untouchable if you are
Speaker 3: if you make this particular condition. You are spiritually untouchable
Speaker 3: if you meet that particular condition. And because God himself
Speaker 3: is the one who is making that declaration on those
Speaker 3: who make those conditions that he's talking about, what it
Speaker 3: tells me is simply this, as long as I am
Speaker 3: in Christ, as long as I'm positioned in him, whatever
Speaker 3: blessings he intends for me, whatever favors the intense for me,
Speaker 3: whatever provisions is made available for me. It's it's just mine.
Speaker 3: It's mine. That's it. And the only person who could,
Speaker 3: literally is get in the way of my blessing, of
Speaker 3: my anointing, of my favor is me. And that's for me.
Speaker 3: Is absolutely amazing. Now, I'm sure probably you guys have
Speaker 3: good explained that way before. I'm not sure. I'm very
Speaker 3: much open to any from your.
Speaker 2: I certainly have not, And I was just saying, I
Speaker 2: haven't either, actually, and I was thinking, actually, that's i'd
Speaker 2: almost say, much deeper than I thought it. I kind
Speaker 2: of almost considered it to be. I mean, it's it
Speaker 2: seems fairly self explanatory on the surface level, but as
Speaker 2: you've broken it down in terms of taking that word,
Speaker 2: it's so much it's so much bigger than that. It's
Speaker 2: so much deeper than that. Yeah, and it's really highlights
Speaker 2: you just how great and awesome God really is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes it so great. Yeah. When you first
Speaker 4: hear the beatitudes blessed, blessed are the poor in spirit,
Speaker 4: you almost kind of feel like it doesn't sound as
Speaker 4: good as the way you have explained it past that
Speaker 4: I have picked something very different today that I have learned.
Speaker 4: We understand what the word blessed is and we know
Speaker 4: it's just God blessing us. We can't even really explain it,
Speaker 4: but the way you have explained it gives us so
Speaker 4: much hope that regardless of what you go through, you
Speaker 4: are untouchable because God is with you. It's like when
Speaker 4: the Bible tells us not touch not manented, No, we
Speaker 4: conformed against you shall prosper. You know that the devil
Speaker 4: is going to attack you in any way, but even
Speaker 4: when you are attacked, you are untouchable because whatever the
Speaker 4: devil is trying will not prosper upon your life. Victory
Speaker 4: is ours. God has already worn it for us. So
Speaker 4: we are blessed because we know who we believe in.
Speaker 4: We are blessed because we know that He shields us
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven. We are blessed because we understand
Speaker 4: that God got our back regardless of what we go through.
Speaker 4: That you know the times life that we, just like you,
Speaker 4: just go through crazy moments in life and you start
Speaker 4: to question whether or not you're blessed but then if
Speaker 4: you're really blessed and you understand who God is, you
Speaker 4: know that regardless of what you go through, it's not
Speaker 4: what you're going through right now. In the moment, God
Speaker 4: is still there, you're still not Yes, you shouldn't be moved.
Speaker 4: When you're not moved, then you have faith that cannot
Speaker 4: be shaken, and and you know the enemy knows that.
Speaker 4: So the moment, I feel like, to me, it's an
Speaker 4: encouragement that we need to have faith that is untouchable,
Speaker 4: whether or not life is good for me today. I
Speaker 4: need to know that I will not be moved. Then
Speaker 4: I know I'm there with God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Angie, I like you, I'm like, I'm not. Really, it's
Speaker 1: good to have someone say something at fresh again. You know,
Speaker 1: you may feel you've read the Bible, you've heard the sermons,
Speaker 1: but it's always good to go in with a fresh perspective,
Speaker 1: with a fresh with a different with a different viewpoint,
Speaker 1: because there's always stuff to learn. Until He comes, we
Speaker 1: will not it will not be fully revealed. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've been searching, Angilie, like you said, you're not sure
Speaker 1: where you normally look for words or you know, something
Speaker 1: settles with your spirit, and that's what you take forward
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. And I'm not sure yet if
Speaker 1: I've found what it is that's going to be my
Speaker 1: thing for this year, but untouchable seems just about right
Speaker 1: now because we've been talking about it. That's how we
Speaker 1: started off the program. There's so much going on. There
Speaker 1: is so much going on around us, isn't it just
Speaker 1: as you've said, Malember, a calm, reassurance to know that
Speaker 1: we are in fact untouchable. When you go into it
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper, you'll explain that there are conditions,
Speaker 1: there are responsibilities on our end that we'll have to keep.
Speaker 1: But once, like you said, we're in in God's hands
Speaker 1: and in his will. There's just this hope and this
Speaker 1: reassurance that we are in fact untouchable favorite unforgiven. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to put you right back in because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember the conversation we had about
Speaker 1: how what we were thinking of for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Searching forward, searching for a concept, maybe something that resonates
Speaker 1: with us or resonates with you, that's generally how you
Speaker 1: start the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, it definitely does, and it's funny because as
Speaker 2: you're talking, you know it's also it will be a
Speaker 2: testament of our faith as well, because you know, for
Speaker 2: us to have hope, you have to have faith in something.
Speaker 2: And you know, we we have faith. You know, we
Speaker 2: go by what we we believe. We know sometimes it's
Speaker 2: really difficult to see that. As you said, whatever's going
Speaker 2: on in the world right now, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: making Sometimes when you're going through stuff or you're seeing
Speaker 2: what's happening, it doesn't feel like people are untouchable, even
Speaker 2: though you may know that. But that's where our faith
Speaker 2: has to come in. We've got to have you know,
Speaker 2: we know that we alills talk about the time of
Speaker 2: trouble and it's coming.
Speaker 1: It's here.
Speaker 2: Our faith has to be so strong so that we're
Speaker 2: not going to be shaken. We have to have such
Speaker 2: strong faith that we're going to be untouchable because things
Speaker 2: are going to impact us. So you know, as you
Speaker 2: just as you were just talking, as you know, talking
Speaker 2: about it, then I was thinking, yeah, my faith has
Speaker 2: to be on point. I only have that kind of
Speaker 2: level of faith if I really am doing God's will
Speaker 2: and I'm right there with him. You know, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite text. I'm trying to think where it's from
Speaker 2: now in terms of you know, I always envisioned God
Speaker 2: upholding us with his right just right hand, so he's
Speaker 2: got us right there. So we're literally clutching for life
Speaker 2: as it were, to have that level of faith, to
Speaker 2: stay strong, to be untouchable. And that's a really interesting
Speaker 2: concept in itself because you know what that look what
Speaker 2: does that look like? What does that seem practically even
Speaker 2: when everything seems to be going on around you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I like what you said, Andrew, because
Speaker 3: sometimes we may be going to of thinking, well, if
Speaker 3: I'm spiritually untouchable, then nothing will should happen to me.
Speaker 3: But we have to remember that the very last beatitude,
Speaker 3: he says, blessed are you when many value and persecute you. Mm,
Speaker 3: So it does not mean that you are completely devoid
Speaker 3: of challenges and difficulties. Head Jesus spoke these, uh, he
Speaker 3: out of a desire for others to experience what he
Speaker 3: was living, and he was crucified, he was hitten, he
Speaker 3: was despired. Here is the thing, this, this idea of
Speaker 3: my carrios. I think looking at it from me spiritual standpoint,
Speaker 3: as being spiritually untouchable. What it tells me is that
Speaker 3: when I am quote unquote spiritually untouchable, I have this
Speaker 3: confidence in God's certainty of my spiritual victory. Tells me
Speaker 3: that there is this inner piece, this inner joys in
Speaker 3: satisfaction that God gives me that irrespective of what happens
Speaker 3: to me on the outside, respective of how how bad
Speaker 3: people treat me, irrespective of how much things don't go
Speaker 3: my way, nothing can still that peace that God gives me.
Speaker 3: Because because it is it is is self contained. God
Speaker 3: is the one who supplies it, not me. It comes
Speaker 3: from Him. And because there is this contentment in God
Speaker 3: that I experienced, I should I willnost find myself in
Speaker 3: a place where there is a need for me to
Speaker 3: try to find fulfillment outside of God. Because if Jesus says,
Speaker 3: blessed are you, my power is spiritually unsouchable? Are you
Speaker 3: if you make this condition, because God will do that
Speaker 3: for you. So the spiritual what makes you spiritually untouchable
Speaker 3: is what God does for you. And my Gosh, if
Speaker 3: God is the one who does it, is the one
Speaker 3: who does it.
Speaker 2: I love that, Yes, yes, it's good.
Speaker 4: Is the one who does it for you. Is no
Speaker 4: way they can do otherwise.
Speaker 1: Am past past Nick, Why don't you lead us in
Speaker 1: our first prayer and then we will take a break,
Speaker 1: take a song, let it resonate, let it marry in aid,
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back to talk a bit more
Speaker 1: about the first All right, sure.
Speaker 3: Let's free, let's prey, let's free. Patawah. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for your word that is available for us to
Speaker 3: to delve into it before your holy spirit, that is
Speaker 3: able to just impact your word onto our hearts. It's
Speaker 3: just so sweet a Lord, to know the depth on
Speaker 3: the extent of your love for us and the fact
Speaker 3: that you desire or you desire for us to be
Speaker 3: in that place of spiritual and such ability. And I'm
Speaker 3: just thanking you for the provisions that you made for
Speaker 3: that it's available to absolutely everyone. There's none at all
Speaker 3: who's going too far, who am not able to be
Speaker 3: rich value and were I'm able to be in that
Speaker 3: place where you could bless them in that regard. I
Speaker 3: pray that that will be the reality for the listeners
Speaker 3: for us who are here on this program, and that
Speaker 3: your name will be just glorified and exhorted through us
Speaker 3: as you just continue to have your way, especially as
Speaker 3: we face this new year. It's just we pray Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen man man perfect right. So we'll take a break here,
Speaker 1: we'll have a selection and then back on the other.
Speaker 1: Talk to me, talk to me.
Speaker 7: A mone in a world.
Speaker 1: It's just me and you.
Speaker 8: I feel so lost because I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Now, what if I you.
Speaker 8: The wrong thing to do.
Speaker 9: I'm so afraid, afraid of disappointing you, Sonny, to talk
Speaker 9: to you.
Speaker 10: And ask you for.
Speaker 11: Your guidance, especially today when my life be so cloudy,
Speaker 11: guide me unchillo.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, my hole sandry.
Speaker 10: Are fading, fad.
Speaker 1: I'm old berda. I don't think my street's gonna least.
Speaker 9: So I'm crying out, crying out, I know, and you're
Speaker 9: the only one who.
Speaker 10: Is able to pull through.
Speaker 12: So nor me talk to you.
Speaker 1: And ask you for your God, it's it's.
Speaker 10: Fat showing today.
Speaker 13: When my word seems so clody, gat be aunt antion, ma.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yes, shall do so show me how to
Speaker 6: do it? Sure away.
Speaker 14: To let me make the same sense.
Speaker 10: Over and over.
Speaker 7: You will be and I'll be the wall to be
Speaker 7: shot to make shd out can give me. I don't
Speaker 7: want any.
Speaker 8: All to talk to you, I said, and ask you
Speaker 8: for your.
Speaker 10: Guide its.
Speaker 6: Specially today.
Speaker 14: Woman susn't end then county lot you can guide me.
Speaker 12: Through that swell.
Speaker 10: A woman of my my heart, my lord, my fall.
Speaker 1: Plenty to do is just keep a single word from you.
Speaker 14: Oh I don't, I'm woman up, Just one part to
Speaker 14: make a difference in what I do, though, Get me
Speaker 14: until I'm sure, I hope and I open open.
Speaker 10: Open, will say one word, one word, one word, one word.
Speaker 6: I'll open.
Speaker 14: I'm oh, I'm chill, jill.
Speaker 6: You the love of my son, captain of mysy, need
Speaker 6: to work from you.
Speaker 1: That's why I went.
Speaker 15: My great is thy faithfulness, Oh God, my father, there
Speaker 15: is no shad of journey with.
Speaker 8: Thou changest, not thy compassions.
Speaker 3: They feel.
Speaker 10: As thou hadst been the fever with creat is thy faithfulness.
Speaker 15: Created thy faithfulness more nick by.
Speaker 10: New mercyts.
Speaker 4: I see.
Speaker 10: All I have need that and half cool.
Speaker 6: Createst that faith mix loran.
Speaker 8: Me summer and winter, springtime, and hall and sunmoned starts
Speaker 8: in their courses, joint.
Speaker 5: With all there, and marry all winness to thy grave from.
Speaker 1: Less mercy and.
Speaker 12: Gray eightings thy faiment great as thy face morning by
Speaker 12: morning name.
Speaker 1: Ses I see.
Speaker 10: All have.
Speaker 3: I can have.
Speaker 10: Five greates THI fagness your.
Speaker 8: Pardon for sin.
Speaker 10: It appeace thine in.
Speaker 8: Thy presence, to cheer and to go extress.
Speaker 10: Ride on the court less things on mine with ten.
Speaker 1: Thousand peace.
Speaker 10: Bred is thy papleless, crit is thapleness by an nice season?
Speaker 10: Have I had p all gosslas falls is not.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to talking point. And if you've missed the first,
Speaker 1: but then you've missed a lot. I what's the word?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to suggest. I'll make it light. I'll
Speaker 1: suggest courage that, yes, encourage, Thanks. Do you know what
Speaker 1: we're like this?
Speaker 3: We're like this.
Speaker 1: I encourage you to pick up the recording when it's
Speaker 1: available and just delve deep with us as we look
Speaker 1: at the word, and in particular we're looking at the beatitudes.
Speaker 1: In fact, I've just been so blessed already and we've
Speaker 1: been talking offline about that that we really want to
Speaker 1: make these more frequent. We want to do more of
Speaker 1: this Bible study and more of work. I'm reading the
Speaker 1: word and appreciate the word. So if there is again
Speaker 1: a particular topic or text that you'd like us to
Speaker 1: dive into, or puts your pastor listening, and do you
Speaker 1: want to lead then do get in touch with love
Speaker 1: to hear from you? Passink? Why don't you take us
Speaker 1: through the next session.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. So what we've actually done
Speaker 3: was just to establish a bit of a foundation for
Speaker 3: the the attitudes. So with that we will now delve
Speaker 3: into the first one. Now let me just read it.
Speaker 3: And there's something really, really, really interesting and important about
Speaker 3: the first one that I think needs to be etched into.
Speaker 3: Whoever you are, and I'll share with you the reason why.
Speaker 3: So in match of five and verse three just says, listened,
Speaker 3: and the poor in spirit, for this is the kingdom
Speaker 3: of heaven. For this is the kingdom of heaven. Two
Speaker 3: points on this, and then we will begin to just
Speaker 3: to look at the concept of the poor in spirit
Speaker 3: point number one. Just like I said, on the the attitudes,
Speaker 3: the entire the attitudes forms the foundation upon which the
Speaker 3: entire teachings of the of the someone on the Mount
Speaker 3: are built. The first, the attitude, the very first one,
Speaker 3: is the foundation upon which the order the attitudes are built.
Speaker 3: If you examine them you're examine the all nine, you
Speaker 3: will discover that the first one is the only one
Speaker 3: that Jesus says, you receive that blessing right away. So
Speaker 3: the point in spirts for this is the kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 3: All the others he's saying, you will get them in time.
Speaker 3: M hm, you will get it now. Getting them in
Speaker 3: time does not mean you have to wait until the
Speaker 3: second coming. But he's saying, but this one here is
Speaker 3: the one that is absolutely vital and critical for us
Speaker 3: to get. Now. I remember going through it and I
Speaker 3: was wondering, abhy, why why is that so different? Why
Speaker 3: is that also critical? And then delving into it, I
Speaker 3: it began to challenge me. It began to challenge me.
Speaker 3: So why it might sound like a nice simple the
Speaker 3: attitude digging deep into it, it's really the attitude that
Speaker 3: calls you to meet a condition that entails hurting yourself. Okay, now,
Speaker 3: before before I go further, hair right, let me just
Speaker 3: say this very puck. So if we look at the beatitudes,
Speaker 3: there is a particular format that they all follow. So
Speaker 3: they all start with blessed other and that's the condition
Speaker 3: that God asked for us to meet, and then they
Speaker 3: continue with for X, Y, and Z will happen to you,
Speaker 3: for this is the kingdom of heaven, or they shall
Speaker 3: be comforted, et cetera. Secretary. So the condition is ours
Speaker 3: to meet. So in this the case of the first lattitude,
Speaker 3: it's my responsibility to be poor in spirit, second one,
Speaker 3: and my responsibility to mold, my responsibility to be meet,
Speaker 3: my responsibility to a hangan first after rightlessness. Here is
Speaker 3: a challenge though, with this. What God is going to
Speaker 3: provide which makes us spiritually untouchable. Only God can give.
Speaker 3: That's a given. There. There's no way I can give
Speaker 3: myself the kingdom of God, no way I can comfort
Speaker 3: myself that that is what God does for us, and
Speaker 3: I praise Him for it. It just helps me appreciate
Speaker 3: his grisk even more. But here is what's interesting. The
Speaker 3: condition that God is asking us to meet we cannot
Speaker 3: meet on our own. So he says the poor in spirit.
Speaker 3: We cannot quote unquote be poor in spirit on our own.
Speaker 3: Let me just trouble you with here. The truth is,
Speaker 3: every single one of us are in a place of
Speaker 3: spiritual poverty. There's no question there. But what does it
Speaker 3: mean by poor in spirit? Let me get to open
Speaker 3: it up. Guys, let me get put this before I
Speaker 3: jump into it. I would love to just hear your
Speaker 3: thoughts on it. What do you think Christ means when
Speaker 3: he says the poor in spirit? How can you be
Speaker 3: poor in spirit?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try the past. I'm going to ask you
Speaker 1: to come back and and clarify what you mean by
Speaker 1: hurt ourselves, Like I can see the equivocal look on
Speaker 1: our listener's brow at the moment, So clarify that. But
Speaker 1: when I think of poor in the spirit, I think
Speaker 1: of one had humility m hm, humility acknowledging that that
Speaker 1: I am nothing, absolutely nothing without Christ, without God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a similar thing. And I think also recognizing
Speaker 2: that we have full dependence on him, or we should
Speaker 2: have full dependence on Him to be able to do anything.
Speaker 2: And I guess thinking about in terms of what it's saying,
Speaker 2: without him, we won't have we won't receive those blessings,
Speaker 2: we won't have those things. Yeah, So I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say it's humility, humble nurse, being open to
Speaker 2: God working within ours to recognize that, yes, we need
Speaker 2: Him completely to be blessed.
Speaker 4: I also have a similar thought especially when daniells about
Speaker 4: being humble, I feel being poor in spirit and also
Speaker 4: mean that we need to humble enough to be teachable.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, but the first that I came
Speaker 4: to my mind was just being humble. When you are
Speaker 4: poor in spirit, you are lowly. But then I'm going
Speaker 4: to use words to describe other parts of the assicians.
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to do that, but fully depending on God,
Speaker 4: trusting in God that He's going to provide for our needs.
Speaker 1: And I want to also clarify because I sort of
Speaker 1: came across that, and it's important to identify.
Speaker 3: What it is not.
Speaker 1: You know, it is not being shy or lacking confidence
Speaker 1: or letting people walk all over you and all that
Speaker 1: other stuff which it could be misinterpreted to me, but
Speaker 1: it is to acknowledge that whatever we have, whatever gifts,
Speaker 1: whatever strengths, whatever, And I use the word loosely because
Speaker 1: His strengthen but whatever it is, it is because of Gardens.
Speaker 1: It's He is the ultimate source. So if we acknowledge
Speaker 1: that and we live with that, then for me, that
Speaker 1: that is what being being porn spirit is.
Speaker 4: Also, like when you said reducing it up to what
Speaker 4: it is not the first thought when somebody says poor
Speaker 4: in something, you know, poor comes off to be like
Speaker 4: a negative word. It is reduced to having nothing or begging.
Speaker 4: And so the first person when you hear somebody saying
Speaker 4: poor in spirit, you are thinking, is it that you
Speaker 4: don't have the spirit or you lack the spirit? But
Speaker 4: it's actually the opposite of not really the opposite, but
Speaker 4: it's very far from lacking. It's to me, I would
Speaker 4: want to think of it as less of the poor
Speaker 4: in spirit, as being humble. Really, I'm going to go
Speaker 4: back to what I said. I was just trying to
Speaker 4: explain what it is not really.
Speaker 1: Being dependent, being dependent on God exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're right, Melema in terms of I mean,
Speaker 2: I agree with you in the sense of that it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily a negative. It's recognizing where you are and
Speaker 2: what you need to kind of move forward to do
Speaker 2: what you're doing, So that in itself, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see it as a negative. It seem
Speaker 2: as a negative, and it should be seen as a
Speaker 2: negative that we are fully dependent on God for our
Speaker 2: blessings and for the things that will come. And I
Speaker 2: think it's that, as you've said, past the recognition the
Speaker 2: conditions that are there to be met, we have to
Speaker 2: know that they're their conditions. That's kind of highlighting maybe
Speaker 2: what those conditions are and for us to recognize that
Speaker 2: to be able to then do you know if you
Speaker 2: don't know something, you're not kind of aware, or you're
Speaker 2: not open as you said, remember about being taught something,
Speaker 2: then you're not going to be able to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be dependent on that because I recognize this,
Speaker 2: because I think it's also about recognizing that you can't
Speaker 2: do this on your own. It's not strength that you
Speaker 2: do this. It's not through your own things that you
Speaker 2: put in. You know, it's a lot more than that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you? Then, going back to that concept
Speaker 1: of hurting yourself, it is it? Then you're saying that
Speaker 1: we're we need to to belowly or be what's the
Speaker 1: word I'm looking for? Bring ourselves down? Because there is
Speaker 1: a text and I can't think exactly where it comes from.
Speaker 1: But if it's those who are humble, he will he
Speaker 1: will lift up, he will exult. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: humbling of ourselves, understanding the the our poverty in spirit,
Speaker 1: our lack in spirit, other than him providing and him blessing.
Speaker 3: Is that where you were, you're you're basically like if
Speaker 3: you try, I'm not yo the well you're doing well.
Speaker 3: You're doing well. If if you look at every single
Speaker 3: one of the conditions that Christ asked us to meet
Speaker 3: for the beatitudes, they they are not they're not conditions
Speaker 3: that we as human beings naturally pursue.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so so it's it's really a call to go
Speaker 3: against the green of our persons. So what I said
Speaker 3: is a called look yourself. Naturally speaking, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be meek, I don't want to moan. I don't
Speaker 3: to be poor in any way. That's that's that's no
Speaker 3: why I don't to be hungry of this you you
Speaker 3: think of them and and they're uncomfortable. For for me
Speaker 3: to be a peacemaker, it means sometimes I have to
Speaker 3: accept wrong. That's not that's not mine. But but I like,
Speaker 3: I like what said. It's a call for you to
Speaker 3: understand that actually, well I'm not sure if it's remember
Speaker 3: or if it's I'm sorry, guys, but it's it's it's
Speaker 3: actually for you to be in a place where it
Speaker 3: seems negative, but it's not MM Hmmm, because there's there's
Speaker 3: there's a statement that I remember reading as a young
Speaker 3: Christian that God would not ask you to give up
Speaker 3: anything that's in your best interest to keep.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 3: If if it got asked you to give it up,
Speaker 3: it is because he knows that it is getting me
Speaker 3: in the way of what He wants to do for you,
Speaker 3: through you and by you. So so so he's the thing.
Speaker 3: That's here's the thing. And this for me it was
Speaker 3: again it really, it really gave me a kick away.
Speaker 3: So the poor in spirit. The interesting thing here is
Speaker 3: that the word Jesus uses there for poor is not
Speaker 3: the average word that's used back in the day for Paul. Instead,
Speaker 3: the the a better, a better translation of the word
Speaker 3: is to be destitute. And let let me give you
Speaker 3: an example. Let me give you an example of their right.
Speaker 3: And we'll look at some biblical examples. So for example,
Speaker 3: in mass you eleven and five the same what is used.
Speaker 3: And I want I want you to see some of
Speaker 3: the other human conditions that are attached with them. Right,
Speaker 3: So he says, the blind receives site, the blind the
Speaker 3: label work, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the death hair,
Speaker 3: the dead rays and the good news is proclaimed to
Speaker 3: the poor. All of those individuals have one thing in common.
Speaker 3: They are the societal outcasts. Uh, the average poor person
Speaker 3: can still go in a field somewhere and work and
Speaker 3: earn a living. Those who are destitute, they are not
Speaker 3: qualified to be slaves or to get the most minial
Speaker 3: of jobs in other ways. In other ways, they are
Speaker 3: this enfranchised. They are seen as the scammel society. They're
Speaker 3: incapable of contributing. There's there's Back in the day, they
Speaker 3: would be those persons who would have to live on
Speaker 3: the periphery of the community because they're they're seen as
Speaker 3: those who don't belong, so they cannot rise on their own.
Speaker 3: They cannot do for themselves because they are blind and
Speaker 3: live and are leopards, and they are definite and so on.
Speaker 3: And they are in a position where they literally need
Speaker 3: someone else to come in and do for them otherwise
Speaker 3: they are finished. That's it. So when he uses that
Speaker 3: phrase the poor in spirit, he's not just telling us, Okay,
Speaker 3: you just be poor. You can still go and work
Speaker 3: some menial jobs in the spiritual realm and get some stuff. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: he's saying you have to beest teacher, spiritually desicate. In
Speaker 3: other words, get to a place where you recognize for yourself.
Speaker 3: Get to a place where your spiritual condition is such
Speaker 3: that God It's is so hard you are able to
Speaker 3: see yourself so much that you know, beyond a shadow
Speaker 3: of a doubt, that we without God, I'm through. Without God.
Speaker 3: I'm nothing unless someone comes along and lifts me up.
Speaker 3: Unless God himself comes along and lists me up and
Speaker 3: does for me, that's it. I'm nothing. Let me let
Speaker 3: me share and all the text with you that explains
Speaker 3: the same in in Yes, in locate seven and fourteen.
Speaker 3: It gives a nice example here of what needs to
Speaker 3: be a spiritual beggar, what it needs to be spiritually destitute. Right,
Speaker 3: it's the the story of the tax collector and the
Speaker 3: and the pharisee. Jesus says, but the tax collectors stood
Speaker 3: at a distance. He wouldn't even look up to Heaven,
Speaker 3: but with his breast and said, God, have mercy on
Speaker 3: me as sinner. And Jesus says, here's the kicker. I
Speaker 3: tell you that this man, rather than the other, went
Speaker 3: home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves
Speaker 3: will be hambled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Speaker 3: So to be spiritually destitute, to be poor in spirit
Speaker 3: means to make yourself of absolutely nothing whatsoever where God
Speaker 3: is concerned, you know, just just to be able to
Speaker 3: recognize that. That's it. Another example, they look fourteen and
Speaker 3: the thirteen. He says, but when you give a banquet,
Speaker 3: invite the poor, the quippled, the lave, the blind, same bracket,
Speaker 3: same bracket. So when I talked earlier on Zenia about
Speaker 3: hurting yourself, it's me sitting alone with God in my
Speaker 3: in my devotional time and just allowing the word of
Speaker 3: God to hit me and to not run away from
Speaker 3: what God is showing me that I am to embrace
Speaker 3: the truth that he points out to me. One of
Speaker 3: the things I love about the wood the word confession.
Speaker 3: Confession is not just you speaking about the wrongs that
Speaker 3: you've done. It it's literally you agree with God. When
Speaker 3: you confess, you're speaking the truth, even though the truth
Speaker 3: is I'm a thief. That's the truth. You've been able
Speaker 3: to acknowledge, unto and to and to own that. And
Speaker 3: it's for that reason Christ the Bible says, if we
Speaker 3: confess our sins, He's faithful and just to forgive us
Speaker 3: of the places from all on righteousness. So so this
Speaker 3: idea of being spiritually destiny, spiritually poor, spiritually impoverished, with
Speaker 3: a spiritual outcast is recognizing I don't belong in God's kingdom,
Speaker 3: I don't deserve his favor. I am completely incapable of
Speaker 3: helping myself spiritually. I am completely detendant on God to
Speaker 3: come in and to do for me, because that's how
Speaker 3: messed up of a person I am. And let me
Speaker 3: put it to you this week and before I open
Speaker 3: up to your hair. Yeah, I have to be able
Speaker 3: to recognize that irrespective of how many degrees I have,
Speaker 3: respective of how much I value have been in the church,
Speaker 3: what positions have held, whatever ministries have been involved in,
Speaker 3: how much God have used me to bring deliverers to people,
Speaker 3: whether it is from demon possession, deman harassment, whatever it
Speaker 3: might be. No matter how many persons have come to
Speaker 3: Christ through my ministry, whenever I sit in my study,
Speaker 3: I must continue to recognize that I am spiritually destitute.
Speaker 3: One last thing here, it's interesting that this phrase, well,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing for all of the rest of
Speaker 3: the of the attitudes it's used in the present continuous tense,
Speaker 3: which means, irrespective of how much God works through me,
Speaker 3: I am always supposed to be spiritually destitute, respect how
Speaker 3: much He annoys me and how much he exalts me.
Speaker 3: I am always siritually destitute, because that's the condition God
Speaker 3: needs in order for the Kingdom of God to be mine.
Speaker 3: I'd love for you guys to come in.
Speaker 1: Something else was going to say.
Speaker 2: It's going to say, because when you were saying about
Speaker 2: some of these conditions that we have to meet, how challenging.
Speaker 2: Then this potentially can be because as you said, this
Speaker 2: is the things that we would naturally pursue, they're not
Speaker 2: necessarily things that we would want. And I suppose when
Speaker 2: we think about in society to now most for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, being self sufficient, been able to cope
Speaker 2: with things, been able to do stuff, kind of is
Speaker 2: a complete contrast for that, because in some way we've
Speaker 2: been kind of you know, asked to kind of say, right, okay,
Speaker 2: I have to be the user word destitute, which I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, gosh, that seems even worse than.
Speaker 1: Kind of hearing.
Speaker 2: But you know, so it's almost it's almost like almost
Speaker 2: like contradictions in terms, really I have to be really humble,
Speaker 2: but it goes against the grain. So I just think
Speaker 2: to myself and I wonder how easy that would be.
Speaker 2: I think in theory, yes you hear all of that,
Speaker 2: but I guess when you think about practically what that
Speaker 2: means and how you're living your life and what you
Speaker 2: have to do, I just think, WHOA, that's kind of challenging.
Speaker 2: Potential will be challenging when you put it, when you
Speaker 2: contextualize it and put it into you know, you think, Okay,
Speaker 2: how am I going to apply that principle to my
Speaker 2: life and everything that I do? Yes, that was that
Speaker 2: was my my initial thinkings on those on that mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: When first I was talking, just as thought when when
Speaker 4: you were talking about being hurt, the first thing that
Speaker 4: came to my mind was dying daily. You know, when
Speaker 4: the Bible tells us to carry our cross daily, it's
Speaker 4: not something that is easy to do, just like it
Speaker 4: is not easy to be poor in spirit. It's not
Speaker 4: easy to just say I'm going to be a good person.
Speaker 4: When somebody shouts at me, I won't shout back. I
Speaker 4: will speak to them in a good voice. When somebody
Speaker 4: gets on my last nerve, I want to be angered
Speaker 4: or like you know, you just want to be meek,
Speaker 4: because the Bible says you're blessed when you are all
Speaker 4: of these nice, when you're all of these things. It's
Speaker 4: not easy. It's easier said than it is done. But
Speaker 4: then when we talk of my thought, when we talk
Speaker 4: of being hurt, is that we need to give up.
Speaker 4: We need to swallow the pride. You know, everybody wants
Speaker 4: to have a sense of pride in what they do.
Speaker 4: Because I'm not going to be the last person who
Speaker 4: thill shout at I also want to say something because
Speaker 4: my voice has to be heard. But it's in those
Speaker 4: moments that we are reminded just swallow your pride. The
Speaker 4: battery is not used to fight. Vengeance is not for us,
Speaker 4: it's for the lords. Speak up when you have to
Speaker 4: speak up. Like we said again, it's not that people
Speaker 4: have to tramp upon you. You can air your views
Speaker 4: in a way that is not offensive, in a way
Speaker 4: that shows that this you are a christ like a person.
Speaker 4: And so really swallowing the pride, carrying that cross daily,
Speaker 4: refraining like literally telling yourself not to do what you
Speaker 4: want to do when you feel like you should do
Speaker 4: and be a certain way you literally tell yourself not
Speaker 4: to run away physically if you have to run like
Speaker 4: it's such a struggle. There's prayer, which is the spiritual
Speaker 4: part involved in our well being, in not in being
Speaker 4: hurt every day. There's a physical one that you tell yourself.
Speaker 4: You literally stop yourself from doing something that you want
Speaker 4: to do because you know it is not what God
Speaker 4: wants for you. You know you have this cross to
Speaker 4: carry and you are going to carry it every day,
Speaker 4: painful as it is, you will still carry it because
Speaker 4: you know what you want. Your jries out to be.
Speaker 4: I should say.
Speaker 3: That, and you are, you are, you are absolutely sports
Speaker 3: spot on there. Again, the one of the things that
Speaker 3: continue to hit me is that while while God is
Speaker 3: asking us to meet those conditions, we cannot meet them
Speaker 3: on our own. So I I I cannot. I cannot
Speaker 3: get to that place of spiritual meekness on my own.
Speaker 3: I cannot be spiritually desecute on my own. So so
Speaker 3: while while it is my responsibility to get there, I
Speaker 3: have to recognize that God has made the provisions for
Speaker 3: me to be able to get there. There is His
Speaker 3: word that is able to impact me. There's there's there,
Speaker 3: there's the avenue of prayer where I'm able to speak
Speaker 3: to him. There is my conscience that the Holy Spirit
Speaker 3: ministers do, and then there is me who have to
Speaker 3: decide whether or not I will humble myself to go,
Speaker 3: whether or not I will I will leave obedience to his,
Speaker 3: whether or not I will exercise fit in him, whether
Speaker 3: or not I will swallow my pride and and go
Speaker 3: in the direction that He's asking me to go. Let
Speaker 3: me ask a question, Guys, have you ever been in
Speaker 3: a place where God asked you to do something and
Speaker 3: you're like you're dying inside because you just have to
Speaker 3: bring yourself to do it. Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, plenty of times. Oh right, I am thinking now
Speaker 1: of of of of times where I have come through
Speaker 1: for people. I've done things for people and they haven't reciprocated.
Speaker 1: And next next thing, you know, here they come again, saying, well,
Speaker 1: can you please help me with this? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: Lord Lord, why I had I made up my mind
Speaker 1: that I've washed my hands? I am never you know,
Speaker 1: these people are ungrateful, blah blah blah blah blah names.
Speaker 1: I've got, you know, all my words for them, and
Speaker 1: and and some. And then he says, if I were
Speaker 1: to treat you m okay, okay, okay, say normal.
Speaker 3: What what what? What? What? One of the things, yeah,
Speaker 3: about the whole concept of being spiritually destitute, is that
Speaker 3: God is actually asking you two give your right to him.
Speaker 3: M hm. So you're you're you're right to be angry,
Speaker 3: give it to him. You're right for events, give it
Speaker 3: to him. You're you're right to to two to take
Speaker 3: the steps that's necessary for yourself. You give that to him.
Speaker 3: And the truth is, it's not so much the outward doing,
Speaker 3: but the inward work that really makes us spiritually destitute.
Speaker 3: And and so when I talk to Jena about it's
Speaker 3: a call to hurt yourself, that's what I mean, because
Speaker 3: it's it's it's literally God's saying to you, here is
Speaker 3: a condition to that is to be met in order
Speaker 3: that you have it in order for me to bless you,
Speaker 3: so that you can become spiritually untouchable. So really and truly,
Speaker 3: it's like, God, what you asked me to give up
Speaker 3: is a lot. But when you look at what he's
Speaker 3: offering m hm. When you look at what he's offering
Speaker 3: in terms of what he's asked you to give up,
Speaker 3: because what he's asking you to give. You're holding onto it.
Speaker 3: It just it. It keeps you at a place where
Speaker 3: you are going to keep missing out on the blessings
Speaker 3: that He intends for you. You're going to keep missing
Speaker 3: out on that spiritual untouchability aspect of your life that
Speaker 3: is supposed to be realized. So so in essence, in essence,
Speaker 3: it's that that call for spiritual destitution is a call
Speaker 3: for you to go deep with God and honest with
Speaker 3: yourself about who you are and where you are, and
Speaker 3: just availing yourself to God, as he is the one
Speaker 3: who will point it out to you. And that's how
Speaker 3: you that's how you achieve that condition of spiritual destitution.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, it's not nice, but it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Talk to us then about that second second half.
Speaker 1: What what what is he saying when he when he
Speaker 1: says the Kingdom of heaven? But what what are we?
Speaker 1: What are we looking at?
Speaker 3: Now? That that's an excellent one, because of course he says, uh,
Speaker 3: the poor in spirit, this is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 3: And like I said early on, he uses that's the
Speaker 3: only one he uses in the present day. All the
Speaker 3: others are in the future tents. So it means therefore
Speaker 3: that as long as you are poor in spirit, the
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Heaven is yours. Right now, man, right now? Now,
Speaker 3: What what does it mean? What does it mean? Let
Speaker 3: me share just two points and then we will, will
Speaker 3: you know, open up again one in the minds of
Speaker 3: Jesus ters and for him himself as well. The whole
Speaker 3: concept of a kingdom, the kingdom has several components to it.
Speaker 3: The kingdom as a ruler. Kingdom has a territory, it
Speaker 3: has laws, and it has citizens. Right. So for example,
Speaker 3: here we are in the United Kingdom. Uh, in my
Speaker 3: capacity as an immigrant, hair there are there are certain
Speaker 3: privileges that I don't that I don't have that citizens
Speaker 3: here have right the their laws that are in the
Speaker 3: favor of the citizens of that kingdom. So so if
Speaker 3: he's saying yours is the Kingdom of Heaven, and we're
Speaker 3: not talking about the United king we're talking about the
Speaker 3: Kingdom about Heaven, you know, of God. So it means
Speaker 3: that for that that that as a result of you
Speaker 3: being in that place of spiritual destitution, you being spiritually untouchable,
Speaker 3: means the rights and trivileges of the citizens of God's
Speaker 3: Kingdom are yours. The resources of God's Kingdom are yours.
Speaker 3: The laws that governs the God's Kingdom our laws. That's
Speaker 3: that's that's weird. And God's laws are not horrible laws.
Speaker 3: Following the law, the love brings you happiness and joy,
Speaker 3: its fulfillment, it brings you satisfaction. But here is something
Speaker 3: here about the Kingdom that I want to just share
Speaker 3: with you. But even before I go, then let me
Speaker 3: just ask you, so i'll sort of what I will
Speaker 3: already share. When you hear the Kingdom of God, what
Speaker 3: do you think are the the characteristics of God's Kingdom?
Speaker 3: What do you think it's about.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one because immediately when I think, when
Speaker 1: I think of kingdom or the Kingdom of God, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of eternity. That's the first thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: So for me to then transfer it or make it today,
Speaker 1: make it now, it requires a shift. It requires a shift.
Speaker 1: And I suppose what what what I would maybe say
Speaker 1: is that he claim to give us life and joy
Speaker 1: and peace and and and those are the things that
Speaker 1: I would say, ours to claim now part of the
Speaker 1: kingdom come or the kingdom now?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay. If I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: Something quite I was gonna say something quite similar, and
Speaker 2: I guess it's if we're thinking about what living with
Speaker 2: you know, being with God, if we attending would be
Speaker 2: like it's kind of giving us the hope that actually,
Speaker 2: as you said, we continue to die to self as
Speaker 2: it were, every day and we can still experience some
Speaker 2: of that right now, you know, we speak create space
Speaker 2: for God to be with us, giving us that sort
Speaker 2: of peace, joy and power and what have you right
Speaker 2: here and now. So it's almost like a full taste
Speaker 2: of what's to come.
Speaker 4: Maybe yep, yep, yep, I honestly have I don't know
Speaker 4: about my I just think of heaven and God been
Speaker 4: our ruler. When I think of the Kingdom of God,
Speaker 4: I just envision, you know how our mind is limited
Speaker 4: to what we see and what the convision, So I
Speaker 4: envision this earthly kingdom, but in heaven more beautiful and
Speaker 4: way data how we have a ruler, a king or
Speaker 4: a queen. And that's how I envision the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 4: And I think of the Kingdom of God, I know
Speaker 4: it's in heaven, or that's how at least I think
Speaker 4: of it. It's in heaven, and they see God sitting
Speaker 4: on the throne being our king. That's what I think
Speaker 4: the Kingdom of God is.
Speaker 3: And you're you're not wrong. There is a little bit
Speaker 3: more to it. There's a little bit more to it.
Speaker 3: You remember when when John the Baptist began his ministry,
Speaker 3: the subject of his preaching was, Behold, the Kingdom of
Speaker 3: Heaven is at hand. Mm hmmm. When Jesus came on,
Speaker 3: he preached the same thing, Behold the Kingdom of Heaven
Speaker 3: is at hand. Don't you find it's interesting that that
Speaker 3: theme was not being preached before mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Instead.
Speaker 3: Instead, instead that that theme was being preached when the
Speaker 3: time for the Messiah's arrival to be there. And there's
Speaker 3: a reason for it. There was going to be a
Speaker 3: significant shift in the spiritual battle long before I'm going
Speaker 3: I'm going a little bit off. And do you guys,
Speaker 3: have you ever taken the time to realize that in
Speaker 3: the Old Testment there's less they're less references of people
Speaker 3: being demon possessed and demon harassed in the New Testament. Yes, right,
Speaker 3: there's a reason for that. There's a reason for that.
Speaker 3: You see, as at that time of the Messiah's coming
Speaker 3: came nearer, the devil knew. I mean he study is
Speaker 3: the prophecies that Maybole tells us that so he knew.
Speaker 3: So he began ramping up. He began ramping up his
Speaker 3: efforts right for the sole purpose of trying to what
Speaker 3: God's plant head too mustages. The scripture I want to
Speaker 3: share with with you, guys, and these are coming straight
Speaker 3: from the mouth of Jesus himself is helping us understand
Speaker 3: the significant characteristic of the Kingdom of God. In Luke
Speaker 3: ten and it, he says to his disciples, when you
Speaker 3: enter the town and are welcomed it, what is offered
Speaker 3: to you? Then? It was, he says, heal the sick
Speaker 3: who are there, and tell them the Kingdom of God
Speaker 3: has come near to you. M So, what are the
Speaker 3: healing of the sick have to do with the Kingdom
Speaker 3: of God? When when people are healed, they are being delivered.
Speaker 3: They have been delivered. Let me let me share another
Speaker 3: one for you with you again. In Luke chapter eleven
Speaker 3: and verse twenty, Jesus says, but if I drive out
Speaker 3: demons by the finger of God, then the Kingdom of
Speaker 3: God has come upon you. In other words, in other words,
Speaker 3: in other words, what Christ is here highlighting is that
Speaker 3: the significant characteristic of the Kingdom is that the Kingdom
Speaker 3: brings deliverance to people. Just this week, from my devotion,
Speaker 3: I've been looking at a look chapter four, so he's
Speaker 3: not in the presentation, So I just really look for
Speaker 3: eighteen and nineteen where Jesus is quoting from Isaiah sixty
Speaker 3: one where he says, the spirit of the Lord is
Speaker 3: upon me because he has anointed me to preash the
Speaker 3: Gospel to the poor. That's the same way that we
Speaker 3: saw on spiritually Destitute. Yes, submitted me to heal the
Speaker 3: broken hearted, to press the delivereral to the captives, and
Speaker 3: recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them.
Speaker 3: That I was to pretty the acceptable year of the
Speaker 3: Lord to preach that the Kingdom of God is all
Speaker 3: about people being delivered. Amen, it's a lot of people
Speaker 3: being spiritually delivered. So when he says, blessed are the
Speaker 3: spiritually destitute, for theirs is the Kingdom of God, what
Speaker 3: he's saying is that whatever the deliverance you need life
Speaker 3: m hm, whatever deliverance you need in your life, the
Speaker 3: Kingdom of God is yours. Because you are a citizen
Speaker 3: of that kingdom. The rights and trivileges that belong to
Speaker 3: citizens are yours. When when, however, when uh individuals are
Speaker 3: held hostage and so on and so of America and
Speaker 3: the US, they move heaven and earth, they send their
Speaker 3: military in and so on to get their people back.
Speaker 3: Why because these are citizens of their kingdom. Guys, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're hearing what I'm saying. Jesus is
Speaker 3: saying here. Jesus is saying here. When you are you
Speaker 3: will be spiritually untouchable when you deliberately pursue becoming spiritually destitute,
Speaker 3: because then every as expect of the kingdom, every benefit
Speaker 3: of the kingdom when it comes to spiritually deliverance is yours.
Speaker 3: Man one is yours. And as I just try to
Speaker 3: tie down, I'm just appreciating so much that Jesus chose
Speaker 3: that first the attitude to be the foundation upon which
Speaker 3: all the others are built. So I must no longer
Speaker 3: go to Matthew six forty three and read six First
Speaker 3: the Kingdom of God is right, and other thing will
Speaker 3: be added on to you without referencing the attitude, without
Speaker 3: referencing blessed and the poor in spirit, because look, if
Speaker 3: you're a poor in spirit. Doesn't matter how many other
Speaker 3: blessings or promises are in the rest of the sermon
Speaker 3: on the mounth, my friend, you will not receive any
Speaker 3: one of them. It begins with your being poor spirits,
Speaker 3: because if you've been spiritually destitute, that's the way becoming
Speaker 3: spiritually untouchable comes in m Man. We've we've, we've, we've
Speaker 3: kind of come to a little bit to the end
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an excellent going to. Maybe Pasnik,
Speaker 1: if you want to lead us again in a final
Speaker 1: session of prayer around the kingdom and being delivered, and
Speaker 1: then we will wrap up with final thoughts, and then
Speaker 1: Malemba will close us out.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, sure, let's spray, let's be, let's be fod.
Speaker 3: We thank you again for for your world. We thank
Speaker 3: your God for being great and awesome and for just
Speaker 3: loving us so much. For God that you are making
Speaker 3: so many absolutely amazing blessings available to us. Lord, just
Speaker 3: the very fact that you are highlighting for us this
Speaker 3: evening at what you're You're you're asking us to to
Speaker 3: just acknowledge the truth of who we are and so
Speaker 3: just to the hard work spiritually. Where where the submission
Speaker 3: of our heart is concerned, and if we just get their, Lord,
Speaker 3: if we get there, you're promising to give us so
Speaker 3: much as it relates to your kingdom, so much as
Speaker 3: citizens of your kingdom, that the rights of citizens become ours,
Speaker 3: the privileges of citizens become ours. The strength of the
Speaker 3: Kingdom is on our side, and the deliverance that we
Speaker 3: need or God, despite whatever it is that we are
Speaker 3: going through, we are guaranteed that you will bring deliverance.
Speaker 3: So sometimes it may feel like we are not getting there,
Speaker 3: it may feel like we want to just give up,
Speaker 3: But may you remind us all of that as long
Speaker 3: as we are spiritually destitute, the spiritual on such ability
Speaker 3: of being, of benefiting from the citizens of your kingdom
Speaker 3: is the one that no one can go from us.
Speaker 3: And we thank you for it. We'll bless you for it.
Speaker 3: It's just been me prayer.
Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, thank you, thank you, pastor. And I'm really
Speaker 1: looking forward to delving into the next session next week,
Speaker 1: and I'm certain our listeners will be back to hear
Speaker 1: more of the discussion, and I'm sure as well they've
Speaker 1: been enlightened and maybe have different perspectives now on the
Speaker 1: text that they may have read several times before, or
Speaker 1: had been preached on several times before, but never really
Speaker 1: gone as deep as this, So it's been really really refreshing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Angie Malemba, what's your takeaway from this
Speaker 1: Evening's conversation? You can find just one.
Speaker 2: There was so much that I mean, I think right
Speaker 2: from the beginning in terms of being you know, untouchable,
Speaker 2: and the idea of kind of and I guess he's
Speaker 2: that Greek word in terms of what's relating to being elite,
Speaker 2: being above those things. Whilst we're untouchable doesn't mean so
Speaker 2: that things won't impact us, but ultimately we can be
Speaker 2: that if we say every day God, I need you,
Speaker 2: I need as much as I can. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to do what I need to do to get
Speaker 2: that ultimate I think only surprize, but that kind of gift,
Speaker 2: that blessing of the Kingdom of God right here and
Speaker 2: now as a full taste for going forward. But there's
Speaker 2: been so much because ive kind of it's it's been
Speaker 2: really interesting to sort of see how this has been unpacked.
Speaker 2: And I think I never really sort of gauge the
Speaker 2: idea that that sort of that the foundation and the beginning,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 2: of themes running through and quite similar, and I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesus is a storyteller. You know, he had
Speaker 2: a message running through right through, and it sort of
Speaker 2: works in similar ways in terms of how he presented those.
Speaker 2: So yeah, again looking forward to the sort of you know,
Speaker 2: breaking down the next few attitudes as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Pastor's been really really really good, really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: That, and I want to before Malember comes in because
Speaker 1: I know she'll be closing out all for the prayer,
Speaker 1: and I probably should have taken another music break, but
Speaker 1: I hope that it's not been too much, and certainly
Speaker 1: that our listeners have been able to sort of take
Speaker 1: it all in and let it just marry it, as
Speaker 1: I said before. But but for me, I'm even going
Speaker 1: to take it back to that scripture that you shared, Pastor,
Speaker 1: about the Pharisee and the tax collector, and I see
Speaker 1: some how easily it could be that you tick those boxes.
Speaker 1: And certainly we're reminded that it's not by works, but
Speaker 1: often we feel like it. Yeah, I'm the one in
Speaker 1: the church every every you know, Wednesday Night Sunday night,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. I'm the one that pays the tides.
Speaker 1: I'm the one that feeds the sick and the hungry,
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm the one that does all that,
Speaker 1: and therefore I am entitled to I am the one
Speaker 1: that that inherits the kingdom. But this is not what
Speaker 1: it's about. And you've reminded us that we you know,
Speaker 1: it's not about all that. It's about coming, stripping ourselves,
Speaker 1: killing our flesh and just carrying our cross, as Melimba said,
Speaker 1: and recognizing that we are absolutely nothing despite what we
Speaker 1: have done, what we have accomplished, and Pastor you said it.
Speaker 1: You know, you've preached, you've you've sort of delivered through
Speaker 1: your messages. You've you've done so much, but you still
Speaker 1: have to remind yourself and when you come into the
Speaker 1: quiet places with God, and when we come into that
Speaker 1: place with God, we need to recognize that we are
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing without Him and that has to stay with
Speaker 1: us and that has to be the foundation on which
Speaker 1: everything else is built. So that's for me what I
Speaker 1: take on. It's not easy to do because you are
Speaker 1: aspiring to be what God wants you to be, to
Speaker 1: tick those boxes but it's also acknowledging that even when
Speaker 1: you take them and if you tick them, you've got
Speaker 1: to be taking them for the right reasons. And you
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that it is still Him that gives you,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you need, and it's still by His
Speaker 1: grace that you go. It's nothing that you've done that
Speaker 1: makes you worthy. So yeah, yeah, Malemba, what's your final thought?
Speaker 1: And then we'll bring past the back in because I
Speaker 1: I think I see him. He's scream weavings. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he's wanting to add something else there? Are you
Speaker 1: wanting to add something here?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just being blessed
Speaker 3: by your the contribution that you guys are making.
Speaker 1: All Right, I have so much to say, but you
Speaker 1: got two minutes today.
Speaker 4: I know it's been so lovely, honest blessed the poor
Speaker 4: in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Honestly,
Speaker 4: the last part just hit me. The Kingdom of Heaven,
Speaker 4: me being a citizen of God, imagine him being my ruler.
Speaker 4: We look at it as God when we think of
Speaker 4: God is in heaven. He's so far from us, like
Speaker 4: we think he's far, but looking at the fact that
Speaker 4: the Kingdom is mine as in heaven. Mulember, these two
Speaker 4: going together, it's so beautiful. If it takes me to
Speaker 4: be poor in spirit for me to the kingdom, Oh yes,
Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to be poor in spirit. If it
Speaker 4: takes need to hurt myself every day to live up
Speaker 4: to a standard that God wants me to attain, I'm
Speaker 4: definitely going to do that because I know what I
Speaker 4: want at the end. I want to inherit the Kingdom
Speaker 4: of Heaven. I want it to be mine. I don't
Speaker 4: want it to pass me. So regardless of what happens,
Speaker 4: if it means I should be meek, I'm going to
Speaker 4: do that because I know what I want at the
Speaker 4: end of the day. So really, it's amazing to know
Speaker 4: that I can be a partaker of heaven as long
Speaker 4: as i'm poor in spirit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, Amen, Amelama, Why don't you close us off
Speaker 1: with a prayer, just the kind of sum up where
Speaker 1: where we're at, and then yeah, we will say, oh goodbye.
Speaker 4: All right, let us spring. Oh, dear heavenly Father Jehovah,
Speaker 4: we are grateful for this lovely discussion that we have had.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for Pastor and allowing him to
Speaker 4: speak to us. We are grateful that we have learned
Speaker 4: even something new today. We pray dey Jesus, that may
Speaker 4: you help us to be poor in spirit, for the
Speaker 4: Kingdom of heaven is ours. Help us, yere Jesus, to
Speaker 4: learn to live by your precepts. Help us to follow
Speaker 4: your word. We pray for the listeners out there. May
Speaker 4: you bless them, May they be blessed. O God, continue
Speaker 4: lot to help us in this journey as we spread
Speaker 4: your word may speak to us even before it speaks
Speaker 4: to somebody out there. It's in the mighty name of Jesus.
Speaker 4: We pray with thanksgiving in our hearts. Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, Pastor, Thank you again. I think the whole
Speaker 1: team has thank you and we look forward to having
Speaker 1: you back for another episode, another sort of not as
Speaker 1: we continue to delve into the beatitudes exactly, no problem.
Speaker 1: Thank you well. It's good night from me Zanyel and.
Speaker 4: Good night for Mandel. Good night from William Bagh.
Speaker 1: And God bless you. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 11: Bye.
Speaker 1: Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song