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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some Vodka's call it a podcast from the

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Victor Chrysler Dods Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on,

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Thank you for telling a friend. That's how we spread

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the word about the pirate ship. Now to say I'm

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not I'm a little frustrated as an understatement, but there's

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a very handsome gentleman who I haven't seen in a while,

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and he looks like he's put on some muscle. Is

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that possible? Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome in. Welcome in. Its Jeffrey Rogers from GSL

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News one and Only to one and only. I know,

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and we're supposed to start this at one o'clock. We're

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taping into too. Jeffrey, what the fuck is going on?

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I CPT baby, and I know it's a real thing.

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Speaker 4: Now, Okay, look I've been it's been chaotic.

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Speaker 2: It's been gotta let me fucking know you care like

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I got shit going on?

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Speaker 4: O'Day, Okay, Look I can explain. It was a lot

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going on and I have about two drivers. So the traffic,

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I don't know what's going on, but the guys.

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Speaker 2: I should have warned you because it goes down to

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one lane because they're fixing the bridge.

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Speaker 4: And then and then the traffic downtown. They're doing construction everywhere.

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So it's like, I'm I'm I'm no, I have to

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really fix the scheduling because if I didn't know traffic

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was gonna be this bad.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, let me let me just say

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this to you. I much love to you. I'm gonna

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see that I appreciate you taking the time, and I

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mean that this is important for me to So it's

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important for me as well, because I think we have

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a lot of things to discuss, a lot of things

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that I am an old man. Now you understand me.

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Speaker 4: I see out of gray hair. You got way gray hair,

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and I've seen the last time.

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Speaker 2: That's right, okay, Because I was stressed about you being

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in the joint and I am teasing, I'm teasing. No,

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we got a lot of time, we have a lot

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of talk about. But so I want I'm going to

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say some things that I don't think you're going to

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necessarily agree with but it's gonna be advice, and you

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take it into advice, you understand. Yeah, all right, So

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let's start with what I believe was leading up to

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you getting putting being put back in the in the lockup,

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and you tell me you.

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Speaker 4: Want to put you want me to put my personal

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opinions on.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say some stuff and then I want

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you to tell me where I'm wrong or or what's

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going on? Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: Fair?

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Speaker 2: All right? So you are a local citizen journalist, and yes,

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you have done such a good job that CNN and

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other network news have reached out to you for your footage.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And you know, like I said, the bigger

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stories is what I'm known for, like especially like the

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tarift attacks and the protest, just major events here in Rochester,

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New York. That's what I'm meaning for. And I've actually

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go ahead and I've actually what are you doing? I'm

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just getting some you know, I gotta get everything on video, heir.

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But I actually was also known for covering the district

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attorney who I was actually one of the first reporters

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to actually initiate the reporting on that with the bodycam

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footage and then reaching out to other mainstream medias.

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Speaker 2: So it's your fault that Sandra Dorley, who I have

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said on the bodycam footage, I thought she looked hot,

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and like your bodycam footage isn't kind to anybody. Whatever

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plastic surgery she had done, she looked hot.

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Speaker 4: Well, but it was anyway, the plastic surgery. I didn't

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know she got plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she had. She had what I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's making all of you know, taxpayer's dollars, so

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she was.

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Speaker 2: She got a deep neck contour, and it was that

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public record. No, but I think she was on a

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I think she did an advertisement for Quotella who did

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the surgery. I think she did it before and after Billboard.

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So yeah, I don't think it was a secret. But

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I didn't know. I didn't know. Honestly, I didn't. I noticed.

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But let me just say this, because I heard you.

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I heard you take a shot there at her on

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taxpayer dollars. It's not on taxpayer dollars. I don't like

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when people say that's my tax dollars. You don't know

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what your tax dollars go to. And neither do I

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I don't know. You just said.

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Speaker 4: She's making all the money from the taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: Say, but she's she's the district attorney, she's on your behalf,

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she's working. She went to LASS with a former district attorney.

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I understand, all right, But Jeffrey, let's get back to Jeffrey,

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because I think you have a very interesting story. So

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the way I saw it happening, Jeffrey was there was

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that horrible incident that happened at Maplewood Park during a

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community barbecue. Let me, let me, let me, let me

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go back for a second. I want to say this.

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I think what you do as GSL News is I

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think you highlight a community that isn't highlighted and should be.

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I think that sometimes bad, but there's a lot of good.

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I believe that goes completely unnoticed and unrecognized, at least

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in what we would call mainstream fair. Yeah. I really

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think that. And I think that there are times like

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I know you're doing something that's going to come out

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on GSL News when you're ready, but an interview with

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a local rapper who's got an album coming out.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's coming out, that's coming out January tenth with.

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Speaker 2: But this is but this is a kid who's put

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a lot of hustle into making his music, who's put

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a lot of time into that effort, has written, has done.

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I love that you're doing that because I don't think

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that that stuff is getting highlighted in our mainstream news,

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and I think it should be.

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Speaker 4: I was actually having a conversation yesterday and the conversation

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was like, you know, local news is kind of dying,

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and that's just happened across the country because now you

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have the mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's watching, right The reason nobody's watching is everything's on demand.

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I get the push notifications and I turn on I'll

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go to the news. It's just I can get it

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on X, I can get it on Facebook, I can

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get it on whatever name it. You know. Now that's

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where I come in, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think I think when I was in prison, you know,

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the community kind of missed that on demand, straight on

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the spot, on spot news, and that was just what

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everything that wasn't just what crime that I was covering,

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that was what everything.

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Speaker 2: Well see, I want to highlight that. I want to

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highlight that what grabs headlines and always in news was

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the saying was if it leads, it leads, so all

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we get is tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, negativity. What I did

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find with GSL news was there were times things were

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being highlighted, you know, cuts for kids that were being

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done at barbershops, back to school pack that were given

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away to support children in the in the city school district.

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Those are things that need to be highlighted, and sometimes

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they are on main street media when it's a slow

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Speaker 4: Understand what is and that's shitty, that's and that's sad

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because you know, like especially when you know I'm out

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there reporting news, like I could be out of shooting

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and I'd be like, you know what, I have to

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get to this other event the kids are they are

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having a giveaway for the kids. So my schedule is

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when I was out there reporting is full, not only

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with this crime but the community events because you kind

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of got a saturated and the community is like this

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news is what builds a community exacts.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I would say this, I

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think that what we hear about often because if it leads,

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it leads, and that seems to be the philosophy or

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the statement that most follow I would say that we

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hear about the negativity, and I have talked to law

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enforcement and it's a very small percentage within the community

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that we were talking about. In the city of Rochester

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or any urban setting, it's a small percentage of the

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people that are doing the crime. That's that is true.

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That is true, Okay, So because of that, but we

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highlight that and we focus on that, and all that

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does is spread fear and negativity and people miss out

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on opportunities, right, I believe. And so I don't know

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what you see your job as, but to me, I

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think you need to start doing like a good news

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story every every newscast that highlights something positive in your

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community with people of your skin tones.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, So this is what so. So I was doing

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this already, and but it wasn't like every day, but

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it was like, I've tried to do these three yes,

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four positive stories a week. And I know that I

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make impact in people's lives with people's businesses, because at

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one point last year actually decided to bring in this

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new category with Yes News to highlight small business in

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the city of Rochester, and then I kind of expanded

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out to larger areas like Penfield and Webster and started

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going out and highlighting the small businesses. Actually had one lady,

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the Brooks Landing Diner. I did a story, you know,

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one day, I just walked up and Randy, it was like,

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I'm gonna just pick this place to just do a

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you know, a small business highlight the door. The line

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was out the door the next day.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 4: And So if I'm able to make an impact like that,

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just imagine if I had more backing behind me, how

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much impact I could make in the community. And I

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know I'm making a big impact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's stick with that idea right there, and

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let's go with a positive mindset. I want to go

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back to the Maplewood Park where the shootout.

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Speaker 4: Left to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Left two women dead and you were there. Five were injured. Tragedy,

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really tragic. Again, I'm going to say, small percentage of

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people are committed, are causing the problems in anywhere, right,

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it's always you know, bad Apple spoils the bunch. Yeah. Okay,

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So they started doing CPR and one of the women

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and you started recording and you posted the women. The

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video of one of the women receiving CPR yes, partially

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blurring the image, but not completely. It was widely viewed,

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and I believe the victims' family members asked you to

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take it down. And this is where you and I

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are going to differ. Okay, So you did not take

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it down.

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Speaker 4: No I didn't, okay, and I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm going to tell you, well, we'll discuss.

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Speaker 4: We'll discuss. I'm ready to go on, hang on. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So then you went to they had a balloon release

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memorial service for the woman who died.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you show up, I do, along with all the

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news stations.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. You showed up. Now the other news stations

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didn't show the video. I don't even know that. They're

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not going to They're not going to show me getting.

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Speaker 4: Attacked and no, no, not you getting attacked, or they're

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not going to show what the CPR.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, because that was my video. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was so but I'm just saying, can I can

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I do a breakdown of actually from my point of

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view or no?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you can, but let me walk through this.

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Let me just walk through this, because this is I'm

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just telling you what I understand of the situation. So

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you know where my perspective is. And then I will

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absolutely give you of the microphone to say whatever you want.

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There's no censorship. So but you show up and they

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kicked the ship out of you. I mean they beat

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the fucking ship out of you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sliced in my neck and everything. So is this

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scar on your your cheek from that? No, that's from prison.

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So that I actually got sliced in the face.

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Speaker 2: All right, I don't mean to laugh.

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Speaker 4: No, No, that's fine, that's fine, laugh at now yeah,

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Speaker 2: Here, so yeah, okay, so listen. So now, broken bones,

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no broken bones things Mom said broken bones.

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Speaker 4: So there was no broken bones. There was a lot

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of hits to the ribs though my ribs was hurting

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Speaker 2: There was, and some gentlemen stepped in and kind of

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got you out of there. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So two gentlemen, demon assembly men, demon meeks and then

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Richard gray Face. He's known as Richard gray Face in

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the city of Rochester. He has a company where he

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makes you know things in the community.

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Speaker 2: And right now you get beat up, and then it

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feels like after that you're you're highlighted. Right, you're getting

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a lot of social media attention. You're controversial, whether you

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believe it or not, especially because of this situation both

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in your community and outside the community, and people are

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like aware of where you are. And I feel like

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that's when you're found to be in violation and parole

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and probation, probation, I'm sorry, probation and brought back in

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to court. And I feel like the incident at Maplewood

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Park sort of set off the dynamite for you to

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end up back in jail. That's true.

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Speaker 4: So that wasn't true. Actually, so I was, actually so

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I was actually there was a war out for my

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arrest already as I was covering news Chase, but they

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couldn't find you. They couldn't find me because I let

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the angle Mondelor die. So I'm gonna just tell the truth,

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you know. So I'm gonna just tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what is the what is the

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crime in Erie County that you committed?

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go all in and I'm so basically

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the crime that I committed was they said it was

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a robbery. It wasn't a robbery. Let me just clear

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you here, because everybody says, well, he was in prison

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and he did a robbery. No, So I went into

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Walmart around the ten fifteen PM That's least what the

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police report says. I went in around ten fifteen pm

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because I was already working in Buffalo. I cover news

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in Buffalo as well, so I wanted, you know, Nintendo

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Switch games. At the time, I couldn't afford it, and

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it wasn't in you know, my my budget. So you know,

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I decided there was a lot of people who were

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getting away with smashing grabs. It looks like they wasn't

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really prosecuting people. So I decided, you know what, I'm

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gonna go in Walmart still video games, got in, broke

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the glass of the display, and took the video games.

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Three months later, detectives didn't come looking for me and

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telling me, you know, we want to talk to you

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about a robbery, and I'm like, robbery, and.

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Speaker 2: But you did commit a robbery. Well, don't give me, well.

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Speaker 4: It's not a robbery. Honestly, that's how I look it.

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I don't think it was a robbery because robbery is.

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Speaker 2: Like fuck, do you not think it's a robber, robbery information.

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A robbery is like, everybody get.

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Speaker 3: On the ground, like, no, that is not a robbery. Okay,

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well that is not a robbery, is what it is.

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That's called that's armed robbery, and that's like a threatening people.

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So it's a robbery and a botter way smash and grab.

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You fucking broke the cash I did. Okay, you know

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what's crazy? I still have the video game.

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Speaker 2: Why why would you, who already knows the cost of

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being in front of judges and covering the news want

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to do that? I think it was what was your brain?

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Speaker 4: That was a bad, impulsive decision. It was very impulsive, Gary,

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stop that listen. That was very impulsive and inappropriate. I

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don't I don't know what just decided to go all right.

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Speaker 2: So then it was just a kind of a bad

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luck situation for you in that you got jumped at

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Maplewood Park. You got beat up. So yeah, by the way,

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it looked like a lot of ladies kicked the ship

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out of you. I wouldn't want to mess with those ladies.

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Speaker 4: Was the grass, basically, that's all I could see was

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the grass and curb on sidewalk. So basically that day

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you want to be going to detail.

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Speaker 2: Give me, so give me the give me the thing.

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Your perspective on the video, and I.

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Speaker 4: Know you've said I haven't seen the video.

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Speaker 2: No, not the video. You getting beat up. I want

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your perspective on why the CPR video, And let's just

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talk about that for just a second. Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: So I was there before the shooting started. I was

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actually there. I was actually there as like a regular

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citizen at the so.

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Speaker 2: And you weren't there to cover it.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't there to cover it.

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Speaker 2: But it was a nice thing for the It was a.

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Speaker 4: Nice thing for the community. But this is something I

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just wanted to kind of lay low because I knew

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that there was already a warrant for me. So you know,

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I'm just kind of laying long, kind of enjoyed myself

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because I know eventually they're gonna come get me, so

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I'm just gonna enjoy myself. Went out with a couple

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of friends and we're like, hey, no, they got a

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good barbecue going on, so let's, you know, enjoy it.

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The barbecue was it was, it was, it was good.

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It was very peaceful at first, and uh, you know,

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I don't know what transpired there was a fight with

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a couple of girls before the shooting started. That was

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like ten minutes before the shooting started. They broke it

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up and then these guys in the middle started arguing

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and that's when the gunshot started going crazy. And I

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was already recording, so I just decided to just keep rolling,

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just keep rolling. And you know, I've just seen people

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laying on the ground, people are shot, people are injured,

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and you know me, let.

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Speaker 2: Me stop you there. The fact that you were recording

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that stuff and you were sort of caught in the chaos,

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I don't think. And there's a philosopher named Nietzsche. You

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can look them up, and I believe Nietzsche, and I

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may have this wrong, said would you commit the crime

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the pain if you could see the face that you're

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doing it to? And the reason I think I bring

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that up here is that I think many of us

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who are not in your community hear this knowing and go, well,

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we this is this is what happens. This is what happens,

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and we don't know what it's like. We just brush

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it off. And to see it and to understand it

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and have human beings who you wish they could have

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some as you said, your impulse control or some better

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way of settling a dispute. Even if it was fists.

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It's not as deadly it could be. But it's not

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as is, you know, right, So I thought that was

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an important thing for people to see, to to go

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this isn't just up Maple would hard brush it off.

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This is this is a scary, sad situation caused by

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a small percentage of people at that event. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: The the reason why I show these things and the

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reason why I don't I don't really try to center

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too much, is because I'm tired of the mainstream media

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covering up what's really happening and censoring what's really happening.

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So my goal is to show and to try to

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show as much as I can without showing too much.

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You get what I'm saying, like more too much where

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people were like throwing up. But you know, I want

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people in a community to understand in other communities what

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my community.

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Speaker 2: Is going through, what the pain, what the sorrow. I

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think that's so important, and I'm not kidding you. I

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think that's so important. Because we hear about a shooting,

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we hear about someone who died, but we're not thinking

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about the ripple effects of what that death does to

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a family, to a community, a community, to children, to

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just your general mental health of what should be safety. Yeah, correct,

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I mean I really think it's important. Here's where I

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think you went overboard, because you serve the community, and

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the community came to you and said, please at least

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edit out O our sister, our daughter, are whoever our

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loved one getting CPR, and you wouldn't. And I understand

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the idea of you don't get it unless you see it,

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and I agree with that, but if someone from the

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community that you serve asks you, I think you should

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have honored that request. I really do. And I do

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this podcast and a lot of shit gets talked, and

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there are people that have not been mentioned, but they

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knew they were being talked about, and nobody listening would

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know they were being mentioned. They just wouldn't. It's just

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a general story with anybody. But those people are in

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real pain when they call, and I will consider. And

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sometimes I have taken podcasts down, I have edited podcasts.

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I did things on the radio where I would come back,

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I will let the person come on and express themselves.

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I wish in a way you had done that, because

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I think that the fact that you got beat up

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while there was a direct result of that. Do you

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agree was that a direct result of showing that keeping

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that video up? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So no, so the reason the video was blurred. So

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that's the whole thing happened.

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Speaker 2: But I saw it, and you can't see it and understand.

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But it's like me saying, we never mentioned your name

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on the podcast, and we're not saying that it was

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it's Jane do but the person knows it. And that's

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what I'm saying is you've caused more pain for people

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who are already in pain in a community that you

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don't want to cause the pain.

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Speaker 4: Brother, hold on, hold on, hold on. So I've never

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I don't tend to delete videos. I don't try to

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edit anything. I don't want to go back and sity.

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That's never met my policy. And people notice, since I

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was a kid, I understand.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes as we get older and as we can

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look at things and have a different perspective and go,

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I know you're in a lot of pain. I'm going

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to show the shooting and I may mention that your

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loving one past, but I w I will take that

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video out because I don't want to cause you more pain. So,

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by the way, I don't think you should have had

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your ass kicked over that. That's too So look, here's

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what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna sit here and be

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really honest. Fine, and I know the community.

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Speaker 4: Maybe people in the community may be upset or or emotional,

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and I get it because I've lost family members to

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gun violence in the city of Rochester. I've lost cousins.

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But I wouldn't change the perspective if it was my

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cousin or with my friend or a community.

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Speaker 2: Hang on communicy, No, no, wait, now stop first.

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Speaker 4: I'm never gonna change my reporting.

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Speaker 2: It's stopped for justice no matter who it is. It's

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your cousin that gets that gets killed, and you happen

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to be there, and you whip out the camera and

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either medical services or someone who knows CPR is pumping,

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pump and pumping, and your aunt comes to you and

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she says, Jeffrey, can you just take that portion of

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the video out. She's crying, Jeffrey, we see the real pain,

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we see the ripple effects. You could have gone the

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same message, which I believe, and I agree with you

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with without having to put more salt on a pain

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gate of a family that I can't. I'm gonna say

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it as as directly as I can. I cannot fucking

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imagine what it would be like to lose my child.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So look, I understand the sorrow, the pain that

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everybody's going through. I understand it. I've lived in this community.

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I understand it. What out interrupted me, Bill, Listen. The

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reason why I didn't want to delete it, and the

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reason why I don't delete hundreds of other videos where

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people are being shot, stabbed and CPR is being done,

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is because that's true journalism. That is real journalism. And

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I know people are gonna be hurting and and and

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and I'm sorry to the people who really are hurting

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from the gun violence, from the violence in general that

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is happening in our community and many communities around the country.

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I am not going to delete a video. I'm gonna

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try to blur it as much as I can, but

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I'm not gonna delete any video because that's true journalism.

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If we continue to sensitize things that are happening in

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our communities, and I see your face, I see your face.

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If we continue to censor things in our community. We

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will continue to brush it off and we will continue

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to have the same policies and the same thing, and

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it's gonna be a ripple effect. So if you if no,

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if you're seeing it, then you want to make a change.

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You want to make a change in our community, people

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will vote different. People will look at these things and

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say no more. Because there's no reason why a sixteen

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year old should be shot and killed in a driveway

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and there's nobody speaking about it. But I guarantee you

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if I was there, because this is the case that

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happened right before I was released from prison, there was

474
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,079
a sixteen year old young man who was gunned down

475
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,480
on Warwick Avenue and it didn't get the news coverage

476
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:35,279
at God. And we're going to continue to see these things.

477
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So if you show these things that are happening in

478
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our community, then people want to make a change. Then

479
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,240
people say no more. We cannot let our young children,

480
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,240
You cannot out of people.

481
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Speaker 2: No, no, I got it. But let me go back

482
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:49,759
to this, and this is where it's a young man

483
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,480
versus old man perspective, because I think you get the

484
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,920
message across that you just laid out eloquently. Okay, you

485
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,920
laid it out. I think showing the chaos of the shooting,

486
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,720
you know, maybe the feet of a person down, maybe

487
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,480
someone running over to But when a family comes to you,

488
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,720
And here's the thing, Jeffrey, is you are not just

489
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,960
showing what's happening in the community. You are of the community.

490
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,640
You are a representative of the community, right and if

491
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,920
the community asks you, from a place of pain and

492
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,680
sorrow to take something down, I hope in the future

493
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,599
you will sincerely consider it. And I'm not something I'm

494
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,839
not saying softened because you're gonna go it's journalism, bullshit,

495
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:41,160
It's not. It's exploitative and that's what it is. But difference,

496
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:42,400
jeff there's a difference.

497
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Speaker 4: Now, hold on, hold on, here's something I'm gonna say. Okay,

498
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:53,160
even after that, after they attacked me, after the backlash happened,

499
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,359
I think many people in a community, after I disappeared

500
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,240
and went to prison, people start to understand why because

501
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,240
I people understanding why I didn't delete it. People are

502
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,960
understanding why, and then people are understanding why they need

503
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:14,440
a GSO news in the community because it's been dark

504
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960
in a lot of places where you're not. There's no

505
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,000
light in there anymore because GSO news is not going

506
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,160
We're not able to cover anything.

507
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,319
Speaker 2: It's something that I may consider. But all I'm saying, Jeff,

508
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,880
have you lost anybody that crime or gun violence or

509
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,759
anything like that. No, I haven't, and I'm being but

510
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,799
that's not my point. Mike. You're not listening, You're not hearing,

511
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:39,119
and I need you to really almost feel the words

512
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,279
I'm saying. I agree with your philosophy. Yes, I told

513
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,799
you a philosopher that says, if you could put a

514
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,680
face to the pain, would you continue to commit it?

515
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960
If we put a face to the community and we

516
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,640
see the violence firsthand, are we gonna just brush it

517
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,279
off as another shooting in the city? Are We don't

518
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,319
believe so? And I think you're right. What I'm saying

519
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:09,400
is you can do that and still honor the community

520
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,160
when there's a request made. That's all I'm saying. I

521
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
get what you're saying, that it's it's to the you know,

522
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,839
it's true journalism. Yes, I see that, but there's also

523
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,559
a point where borders on exploitative in that I know

524
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,200
I'm going to get more views. Can you believe how

525
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,039
bad this is Yes, more people need to see it,

526
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,720
and what they need to see is the families that

527
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,759
are affected ripple effect. That's what I I think there's

528
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:37,000
more people in your community that don't want what's happening,

529
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,759
but they're afraid to say anything, right because look at

530
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,480
what happened just in your saying, I don't want to

531
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,720
take this down, and I get it, but it's a

532
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:53,000
young man's it's a very you know, it's a perspective

533
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,000
that I believe is a young man's perspective. And I

534
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
think as you get older, you'll say, I can't achieve

535
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:02,160
my goal without having to hurt another poor soul in

536
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200
a wound because there's not what you want to do.

537
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,319
Speaker 4: No offense to you, Bill, but this is why there's

538
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,119
a lot of young journalists, a lot of young people

539
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,680
pushing out the older people. No offense to you, but

540
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,880
that's old journalism. I feel like it's, oh, I find

541
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,279
that's well, okay, I'm not okay journalism.

542
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,039
Speaker 2: But it's not all journalism what you're doing, and it

543
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,079
has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to

544
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,640
do with old people verus young people. I'm saying a

545
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,359
young versus old perspective in that I have lived right.

546
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,359
I don't want to see more pain for people who

547
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,759
are already in pain. I maybe it's missed placed perspective

548
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,039
on them to say, Jeffrey, but they're so upset they're

549
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,799
looking at anybody to kind of lash out at. And

550
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,880
when you didn't honor their request, you still got your

551
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,119
message across, Jeffrey. You still showed what's going on in there.

552
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:57,200
This isn't oldver, since this is being human being versus

553
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,680
being right. I'm gonna be righteous and idealist. I'm gonna

554
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480
be righteous and idealists, and you're righteous and idealists. Well,

555
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,839
I believe in the long run could hurt you, but

556
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,400
by the way it physically did.

557
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: Well, I get what you're saying, and I'm taking in.

558
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,839
I've been hearing this for almost two years now.

559
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: I've sure and look, I know you want to turn

560
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,680
around and say to me, you don't know what you're

561
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920
talking about. You haven't walked my streets. No, I hear you.

562
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:27,799
I see that shit. I know your one shade. I'm another.

563
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,640
I don't know your community, but I know human beings

564
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,640
and I don't want to see somebody in more pain,

565
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,279
Like I'm telling you Jeffrey, And this is something you

566
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:38,920
can't relate to. I understand, but look, look, no, hang on,

567
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,559
you can't relate to what it would be like for

568
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,480
the mother or father of that young lady and to

569
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,079
just not want to have to see that or have

570
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,680
people come and talk to them about seeing that. They

571
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,680
want this person to be remembered as whatever she was,

572
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:58,759
a wonderful cook, an amazing mom herself. I don't know,

573
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:04,279
but something that's more positive. Showing that stuff is smart

574
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,480
but keeping some boundaries on it is intelligent. They're smart

575
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,319
and intelligent. Jeffrey. I get what you're saying.

576
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:13,519
Speaker 4: I understand it, and I agree with some parts, but

577
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,599
other parts I'm just gonna have to, Heidi disagree.

578
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,119
Speaker 2: And that's just you know, that's just my my you'll

579
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,440
come around to the way I think.

580
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: That's my journalism. I may come around, but I may not.

581
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,519
But I feel like, you know, I'm gonna try to

582
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,599
blur out as much as I can. And you know

583
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,279
what you do is I'm gonna highlight and I'm also

584
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,279
you know, if a victim dies, I try to highlight

585
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:36,559
what their life was before they passed away, or you

586
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,599
know what I mean, And and so like I said, I'm.

587
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: Gonna continue to do what I do.

588
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,799
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna change my policies too much

589
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:44,279
after even after that, I'm not gonna change.

590
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 2: All I would say is considerate because you're not just

591
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,000
showing the community to me. You're you are a leader

592
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200
of the community. You're somebody that people when they feel

593
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,680
like they're not being heard, they probably to turn to you.

594
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,359
They call you and say, Jeffrey, can you help me

595
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,559
with this? Can you spot like this? That's that's amazing,

596
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,240
right that, that's really honestly incredible. All I'm saying to

597
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,480
you is just have a little bit more humanity in it.

598
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:13,480
You can still get the message across. Just a little

599
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:14,759
more humanity, that's all.

600
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: And and I understand that. But like I said, my

601
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:26,559
policies will not change. Okay, And I get it.

602
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: And I say, you're frustrated just a little bit. No,

603
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,519
I'm not. I'm just saying to you. All I'm saying

604
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,960
is try to understand. I know what your policies are.

605
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,039
I got it. But you're you want to put your

606
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:38,799
stick in the you I know what you're doing, I

607
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,119
got it. What am I doing? You're a young guy.

608
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,799
You want to tell the old people, fuck you, I'm

609
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,279
gonna do it my way. You don't know what you're

610
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,680
talking about. That I'm not saying what you're thinking. I'm

611
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,480
not saying in a different no. No, no, no, but

612
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:51,440
that is your thinking.

613
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,559
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. I understand what the people

614
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,759
are saying in the community. I understand they're frustrated. I

615
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:59,079
understand they don't want to see that. I understand it,

616
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,480
but I want them to also understand it from my view.

617
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Yes, my point of view. I think your point of

618
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,119
view is fun because if.

619
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: We continue you to sanitize it, I got it.

620
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you're right, we sanitize it, and we and

621
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160
we make it and we don't handle it right. We

622
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,720
sanitize it. I'm not saying sanitize it. I'm saying, when

623
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,079
someone from your community comes to you, listen to them

624
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,519
and try to consider the pain they're in and maybe

625
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,240
be a little more human because you there was nothing

626
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,920
that would change in that video if you just edited

627
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,799
her that portion out, it really wouldn't. You still would

628
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,359
show this is fucked up, and these are great people

629
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,119
for a great cause, and it's a small percentage that

630
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
cause problems here today? Then what about terrible ripples?

631
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,039
Speaker 4: Well, what about when you know, seeing auto Fox News

632
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:52,160
or ABC, which I have seen people heads being blown off,

633
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,119
people are being blown up, well just the other day

634
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,279
or a few months ago, I've seen them showing.

635
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: It, but telling you not to show this. I'm saying

636
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,799
to you, when the family comes to you in your

637
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,519
community on the streets you walk, it's still Here's what

638
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:07,799
I said. It's different. Here's what I say.

639
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: It's different if the community is upset for me showing

640
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,480
the truth or if the community is no, don't interrupt me.

641
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,079
Speaker 2: Hold on, you're not making sense, buddy. If the community

642
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:22,599
the community, Jeffrey, this is a specific family saying get

643
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,119
that piece of the video out. That's a human request

644
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,559
to another human being, something like the fucking community. Jeffrey,

645
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160
You're still showing what's going on in the community.

646
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Look, do you understand something that you're okay?

647
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: How about this to settle it is something I may

648
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,039
may you're not gone, something I may not. Your safety.

649
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: I would like to see your safetuff that's gonna be down,

650
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,039
then that's what.

651
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: It would be. Okay, But but that no, it'sh Why

652
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,440
do you need to be another statistic. Why does that

653
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,559
have to be Well, I don't want it, God forbid

654
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,119
it happens. But you know.

655
00:33:58,359 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna die hard for what I do.

656
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: People know I get, I get the die hard part,

657
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,200
and you're not hearing. What I'm saying is, yes, I understand.

658
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,079
Had the family not said anything to you about the

659
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,679
CPR being done, then leaving in there is not I

660
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,119
agree with you, even if other community members are a

661
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,199
little bit outraced. But when it's the direct relative, the

662
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,400
blood of the blood that's on the ground coming to

663
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,199
you and asking that, I'm all I'm saying to you

664
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,199
is please be a little human because this isn't This

665
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,480
isn't CNN Jeffrey. It's not showing people on the other

666
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:33,280
side of the world getting blown up to let you

667
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,960
get a perspective of what's happening over there, which is

668
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,880
also important and what you're trying to do for community.

669
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,880
This is you walking the streets, trying to show the

670
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,000
lives of the people that are not highlighted and should

671
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,760
be and showing a perspective on the violence. What are

672
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,320
your what are your what are your fans saying? Because

673
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,760
I know they're probably ripping on me. Well, some a

674
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,360
couple of them are.

675
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,639
Speaker 4: Some of them are some of them As you know,

676
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,599
they're always gonna be a fifty to fifty. But to

677
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,440
say this, let me say this, it's something I may consider,

678
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,480
you know, coming into the future. I think the policy

679
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,199
of GS on News will not change. It's not gonna change.

680
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm not don't take it. All I'm saying is if

681
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,599
a family member.

682
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: Comes, yes, that's something I may consider. Be a human,

683
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,760
and it's something I have considered before. Okay, it's something

684
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,920
I have considered because I have I'm doing an agreement, right,

685
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,639
I have considered somethings. So what I want people to

686
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,199
understand is I just want the community to really wake up.

687
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,519
That's it. I want the community to to wake up

688
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,920
and and and understand why I'm showing these things or

689
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,079
why I'm trying to show these things because I think

690
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,639
it's very important for us, and and it's very emotional.

691
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: I think it's very important for us. You can't be

692
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,039
doing dumb ship that gets you locked up, do.

693
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,079
Speaker 4: You understand, No, that's my legal troubles are done.

694
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,639
Speaker 2: I'm done. Okay, your legal troubles are done. But again,

695
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,079
the whole idea. I've been been on probation. No, hang on,

696
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,920
well you've been like if you were, go ahead. I'm

697
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,559
not nssed off for you because you got your you

698
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,400
knew you kept walking around with different things on your body.

699
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,480
And I understand why I got it. I believe me.

700
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,960
I understand. But every time you were getting tagged for it, right.

701
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: Right, because they didn't want me to carry in the tasers, right,

702
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,400
and they.

703
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 2: Didn't want that. I understand why you did it. I'm

704
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,119
not saying you're even carried that. You can't, but it's illegal.

705
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,360
It's not illegal. You can't carry it while you're on probation, Okay,

706
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,159
but you're right on probation, so you know what you got.

707
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,800
So now you're getting tagged for these things, and sometimes

708
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:36,039
you're getting some judges who are trying trying to give

709
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,440
you the benefit of the doubt, and then it just

710
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:40,480
happens over and over and over. And I know there

711
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:43,159
was one judge who just goes, okay, Jeffrey, you have

712
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,199
my hands tied at this point, am I wrong?

713
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's a big different perspective. I think there

714
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,639
was a whole back, behind the scenes, back door you

715
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,719
do thing that's going on. You know, like I said,

716
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,599
I just got done covering the day and and then

717
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:57,119
I was also investigating other court cases for misconduct. Well,

718
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,519
were you covering the DA over her her chase you're chasing?

719
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,039
Then I was also covering a lot of other news

720
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:06,639
stories for misconduct, right, evolving and stuff. Here's the thing

721
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,679
that no, that comes up, No that comes all behind that.

722
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,840
You could say, well, judge John Randall had his hot

723
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,280
hands tied. But this is also the same judge who

724
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,079
released no. This is also the same judge who released

725
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:20,840
the Boys and Girls mass shooter or suspect.

726
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: But buddy, I get it, and I hear you. But

727
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:28,679
you had a list, they didn't. You've got probation, they didn't.

728
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,119
Speaker 4: So you So now you're trying to compare me to

729
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:30,800
a murderer.

730
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,599
Speaker 2: I'm not a potential murderer that when it comes down

731
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:37,559
to the law, justice is blind, right, right and wrong.

732
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,800
We're all going to say, in reality, it's not. But

733
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,480
in perspective, what what are we shown lady justice?

734
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,519
Speaker 4: So you think it's okay to say, don't think it's

735
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,360
you think it's okay.

736
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: Look, Jeff, regardless, you don't want to try to twist

737
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,039
this ship.

738
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,519
Speaker 2: We're talking about you, I'm talking about these other people. Right.

739
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: They didn't want me carrying the pocket dives and tasers.

740
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,360
That's something I continue to do for my safety, believe. Okay, well, Jeffrey,

741
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,960
you can't carry the pocketize and taser. I said, screw you,

742
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,159
because if something happens to me out here.

743
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,679
Speaker 2: And look the first time when they.

744
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: Did take my vest in, all my my taser and

745
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,599
all that. Now I'm attacked by thirty people in a park.

746
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,920
What's all my weapons and stuff? So look how that

747
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,440
played out. I could have been able to confid myself about.

748
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,079
So I keep proving people wrong.

749
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: No you don't. I proved you're only in that point.

750
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,400
No you didn't, Yes I did. Oh you didn't, Jeffrey,

751
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,800
because you put yourself in a situation.

752
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: Well, I was inviting for people who also said no.

753
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880
People also said we told him not to come to

754
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,400
the balloon release. That was false news.

755
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,599
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, Look, I don't know and people are

756
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,280
going to say things. What I'm gonna say to you

757
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,320
is this is these are people who were really upset

758
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,079
and they and they got you right, They were upset.

759
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,480
It was almost like a payback and was it right,

760
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,239
I don't think so. Was it misplaced anger? I'm gonna

761
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
say that's what it was us. It was somebody who

762
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,239
wanted they wanted to just feel like, fuck something right,

763
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,679
our loved ones killed. Who do we go to? Who's

764
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,079
out there? And then we they ask and I'm assuming

765
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:13,840
it was kindly and you didn't do it.

766
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,159
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm saying. Let me be honest.

767
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,079
Let me be honest though, uh.

768
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: Stop reading your notes, keep going, wait, keep talking. So

769
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,199
here's where you keep your attention over here, not on

770
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,679
your people.

771
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: Here's what I say. I understand there was a lot

772
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,599
of frustration. There's a lot of frustration in the community

773
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:38,079
that you know. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, you know, sad situation

774
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,480
that happen, and there's going to continue to be sad

775
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,639
situations that happened that.

776
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:43,079
Speaker 2: I so it would have made it better if you

777
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,519
could have tasted somebody's ass there and then someone like

778
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,440
who knows.

779
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm not saying it would have been better,

780
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,800
but I'm guarantee you thirty people would have tried me.

781
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,719
They see all that equipment on because not people are

782
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,679
gonna think, oh, well, maybe I don't want to get

783
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,360
so you know, it was a very sad situation for

784
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,320
the shooting to have happened, very crazy and chaotic. When

785
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,119
I was attacked, I think me being attacked kind of

786
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,480
opened my eyes. It opened my eyes and made me

787
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,639
aware of everything and made me aware of who I

788
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:11,840
really am in this community too.

789
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I want to be an enemy of

790
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:16,239
your own No, I'm not saying that.

791
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,679
Speaker 4: I know I'm not an enemy of my community. I

792
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,840
know there's gonna be people in this community who.

793
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: Don't like me. There's people people come over and kick

794
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:26,320
your ass for other things.

795
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 4: Because go on fucking video, Yes, because.

796
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: I yeah, the guy put you through a wall, Yes

797
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:31,800
he did.

798
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: That was that was we don't give me started a situation.

799
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm just saying to you, Jeffrey, when are

800
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,199
you gonna you're such you're a bright.

801
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,519
Speaker 4: Well, maybe the community, maybe the community just doesn't need

802
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:42,480
a GS on news anymore.

803
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: That's how that's just it does.

804
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,599
Speaker 4: Because that's something I've been thinking about because like maybe

805
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,599
the community just maybe they just want me to be

806
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,880
done and maybe I can just finish and go to

807
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,679
college for marketing and just be done with journalism.

808
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's up to you, that's what that's what people

809
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,239
really want to see. But I'm not going anywhere, all right.

810
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,199
I don't think that's what people really want to say.

811
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,440
I think they want to see a little more humanity

812
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,159
and and love of the community. And that's why I'm

813
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:10,599
saying the show the stuff that the mainstream media isn't showing.

814
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get.

815
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: Your idealism, and dude, I love the passion. I mean

816
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,320
that sincerely. But let's go back. You're in the hospital.

817
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,920
They arrested you, Yes, so you go. You're all banged up,

818
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:26,840
and they put you in jail. Yeah, are you in

819
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,599
Monroe County? So I was in Morroll County jail for about.

820
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: Two days, and then they moved me to Livingston County

821
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,800
for protective custody because they said, you know, it was

822
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,599
an unsafe environment after everything would have happened in my journalism,

823
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,000
so they just decided to move me to a whole

824
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,679
new county jail where they majority keep federal inmates from

825
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,400
the surrounding counties. And so that was okay. You know,

826
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,519
that was okay until I moved up to prison and

827
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:57,800
then where the protective custody wasn't no longer. Uh, you know,

828
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,480
in effect anymore. So I was an Elmira for a month,

829
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,280
and then I went to Green Correctional Facility.

830
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:04,679
Speaker 2: Yep.

831
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,679
Speaker 4: So then I went to Green Correctional Facility, where I

832
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,559
was there for not even a full of three days,

833
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,280
and gang members actually sliced me in the face because

834
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,400
I got on the phone and I wasn't following the

835
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,880
game policies or the rules that they make. They make

836
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,920
up basically saying that you know, the gang members run

837
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,000
the phone, so you know, I just trying to call

838
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:26,280
my family let them know where I was at, and

839
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,639
you know, they disagreed, you know, and unfortunately I got

840
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,000
sliced in the face. After I got sliced in the face,

841
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,079
I was didn't move to Aubany Medical Center where they

842
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,400
didn't sit to me up and everything else. And then

843
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,119
I stayed there for about a day. Then they moved

844
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,119
me to Walk Up correction Facility, where I didn't finished,

845
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,800
but I did majority of my time there walkcop crks

846
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,880
finished walk Hill Correctional Facility that's near New York City

847
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:49,159
and it's actually.

848
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: On the other side of the Hudson from where I

849
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,079
grew up and I used to be on the radio

850
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,239
in that whole areas ago.

851
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,559
Speaker 4: So they moved me there where I did almost a

852
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,480
year there. Then they moved me to in between. Also,

853
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,360
how long were you in for sixteen months? About fifteen

854
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:09,719
fifteen sixty months. But then in January I was actually

855
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,079
last shean rey. I actually got my sentence reduced because

856
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,480
I didn't have any abeego sentence, so they had to

857
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,199
lower my time because originally they gave me two years

858
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,880
and then they also said, I me just put this other.

859
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,519
The judge also said if I continue to fight the case,

860
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:23,719
like if I go to trial with it, then he'll

861
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,840
give me three to seven years. That's another crazy thing

862
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,800
to say, but so then they ended up giving me

863
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,800
a two to four which then actually got lower down

864
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,320
in January, so I actually had to bring me back

865
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,000
to Rochester, New York from walk Hill correction Officiality where

866
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,400
I was in growthing them for a once a month,

867
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,960
and then went back to walk Hill, and then for

868
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,760
my last three two and a half months, I went

869
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,000
to Orleans Correctional Officility where then I spent the rest

870
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,320
of my time in the box. So they actually moved

871
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,000
me to the box where I spent.

872
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,559
Speaker 2: You were in isolation, yep.

873
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four hours a day. You're locking a cube?

874
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: Why so did put you there?

875
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 4: So they actually put me in the box because of well,

876
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,679
I originally was supposed to go to work release, so

877
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880
work release because there was a strike going on in prison,

878
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,320
so it kind of pushed everything back. So originally I

879
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360
was supposed to get work release in like June, but

880
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,039
the strike kind of put everything back, so they moved

881
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:20,159
me there pretty late, and then I went to the

882
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,559
work release dorm unit. There were some issues that I

883
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,119
had with a counselor there and she basically like she

884
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:27,880
saw my face.

885
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,039
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you, I know you're not going anywhere.

886
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: So she didn't want me to do the work release

887
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,360
because I guess she knows me from the community my

888
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,719
news reporting and try to say, well, I'm driving around

889
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,559
a fake cock car, which is not the case. And

890
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,719
so there were some disagreements. I then got kicked out

891
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,480
of work release, and then you know they were gonna

892
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,880
throw me in general population Orleans is closer to Rochester,

893
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,880
so there's a lot more people who are trying to

894
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,800
threaten me, stab me, whatever the case me be. So

895
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,000
I was getting quite a big threats there and then it

896
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,360
almost got into an education So at that point, then

897
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,519
they pult me in a box and they was like,

898
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,119
you're gonna stay here until you go home.

899
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:06,079
Speaker 2: So all that happening, yeah, it has to be scary

900
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,599
as hell. Yeah, and you know a lot of movement.

901
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:10,960
They had you move away.

902
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 4: A lot quite quite a bit, you know, and just

903
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,400
going through multiple prisons or sometimes I had we had

904
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,079
to stay overnight at a MAX facility to just even

905
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,960
get to some of these facilities and just be shackled.

906
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,280
Mind you you're shackled for hours. The long prison bus rideser,

907
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,880
you're shackled for hours. Yeah, I mean almost, you're almost

908
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,800
shackled for almost like twelve hours. Are shackled at sometimes

909
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,119
from seven am to seven pm at most times, just shackled.

910
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,199
Speaker 2: So you know, all that was traumatizing.

911
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: And then I you know, I get I got a

912
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,679
black eye from cquestioning up of the question officers. They

913
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,639
end up beating me up because they thought I was

914
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,320
stealing or thought I had bread in my pocket, which

915
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,880
you're not allowed to bring bread out of certain mess

916
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,440
halls and certain correctional facilities. So they end up jumping

917
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,800
on me, kicking, kicking me, and spitting on me the

918
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,880
correction officers. This is right before the body camera is

919
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,800
actually went full effect in all correctional facilities. And then

920
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,119
to be in there when the Robert Books situation happened.

921
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,480
That was kind of like my mom told me about

922
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,280
the Robber Books situation before before it had made news.

923
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:11,519
And then she was like, you know, are you okay?

924
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,480
I'm like, what's going on? She said, you know, uh,

925
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,760
mister Rix, which I call him because he actually hit

926
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,719
the son, the dad of the son who was murdered.

927
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,599
I actually knew him because he was in a program

928
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,320
of him. And she's like, you know, mister Rick's son

929
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,079
was murdered, And I'm like, what are you talking about?

930
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,280
Then it makes news and that kind of broke my

931
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,280
heart a little bit because you know, he was from

932
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,400
my city, so you know, just to see that going

933
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,079
on and it just see the change happening. And then

934
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,199
right after that, the you know all you know, majority

935
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,440
of crushing officers decided to walk out and then they

936
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,400
went on strike, which kind of made it a very

937
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,400
harsh environment because now we're locked down almost for a month.

938
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,519
We're locked down, we can't go to the messhoup. We're

939
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,519
just stuck in the unit. So you know, that just

940
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,360
made it very frustrating, and just everything in between watching

941
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,599
people die. A guy actually committed suicide and we have

942
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,840
watched them getting carried out and medical zamer vans and

943
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,400
people overdosing in I mean, it's it's a very harsh

944
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,360
environment to get through. But you know, at the same time,

945
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,599
I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of

946
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,480
men who was graduating college getting their GDS appoints. At

947
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,039
one point, they made me a tutor in here because

948
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:13,519
you know that was a little educated. So I was

949
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,679
helping people trying to get their GEDs and educate them.

950
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,280
How feel that felt good? That felt really good because

951
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,880
you know that there was one young man that I

952
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,199
was closer. She was older than me, but I'm gona

953
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:27,239
call him young man. I was young man, one young

954
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,199
man that I was actually close to, and I was

955
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:30,199
helping him get his ZED.

956
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: He actually graduated and got his GED.

957
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,079
Speaker 4: So that made me like happy that was actually helped

958
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,079
this young man get his GED.

959
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: So why can't you teach and run GSL news. Well,

960
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,400
I'm not a teacher. You know, that was just something

961
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440
I was just doing that I understand, But why can't

962
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,559
you take that passion, that feeling of of why I

963
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:50,039
wanted to.

964
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,079
Speaker 4: I always want to. I always wanted to make my

965
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,079
own like program and stuff. But it's just it's the

966
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,239
lack of funding, you know, the lack of.

967
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,559
Speaker 2: And I'm even saying for you personally, like there's scholarships

968
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,480
and things that go unclaimed that you'd have to look.

969
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,440
But you're you're a researcher, you do, you do this,

970
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:11,159
you dig, You're a right, you're a bright guy. Go

971
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,320
go get something. And then even if you're just opening

972
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,760
up you know, the GSL News tutor Center helping kids,

973
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,280
I don't know, but you've got a lot of good

974
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,639
in you. I'll ask you this. That sounds horrible and

975
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,639
and and I'm sorry your whole prison thing, Oh it

976
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,960
sounds horrible. I can't imagine, like just mentally what that

977
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,239
is like. And I'm and and by the way, I'm

978
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,400
not here saying that. It seems harsh for the things

979
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,000
that happened to me. But but but you were given

980
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,280
many chances along the way. You really were right, And

981
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,239
so it comes down to this, and it's horrible. What

982
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,960
did you learn during that time? Is there anything you

983
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,840
walked away with and learned, you.

984
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,079
Speaker 4: Know, the things that I've I've learned things that I

985
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:04,000
learned in in prison is more more self control, for sure,

986
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,159
because there were situations where I really had to control

987
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,480
myself because it's like I knew, you know, you're arguing

988
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:13,159
with a guy who did thirty years and he could snap. Yeah,

989
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,440
so and they don't care. You know, lifers really don't care.

990
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,920
I don't seen lifers a stab other you know, inmates

991
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,400
in their souls, right, So like I've already got life, which.

992
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,079
Speaker 2: What I was doing's not a man that has nothing to.

993
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,639
Speaker 4: Lose, That's that's right. So you know, I really had

994
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:33,960
to I really had to control myself. And I feel

995
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,679
like I'm matured in there. I really mature because there's

996
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,280
a lot of things that I was looking at. A

997
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,320
lot of grown men who were also acting like kids

998
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,440
because mind you, a lot of them have been incarcerated

999
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,480
since they were seventeen, sixteen years old, and eighteen years old,

1000
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,039
and this is it that they all they know. So

1001
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,440
I was acting. I was seeing a lot of men

1002
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,320
who are acting like kids and trying to just let

1003
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,760
them know, like your behavior in society is it's not

1004
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,480
going to be accepting.

1005
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: I keep my head down and shut my mouth. Honestly,

1006
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,760
I wasn't, you know, nothing like that. I was. You know,

1007
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,119
sometimes there was other.

1008
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 4: Guys that was close to me that was like, yo, relax,

1009
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,440
like my dude, you know, they called me by my

1010
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,800
last name, Roger Rogers said. They was likeyo, Roger, just relax,

1011
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,679
just like I used to snap, and I'm gonna liket to.

1012
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,480
I used to snap a lot like and.

1013
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,039
Speaker 2: I didn't care.

1014
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: I got into a couple of you know, a couple

1015
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,679
of scuffles, and you know, because I was a voice.

1016
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,280
I was a voice in the in the in the

1017
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,519
facility that I was in, my facility that I did

1018
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,280
majority of my time in, and a lot of people

1019
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,679
came to me for a lot of help, a lot

1020
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:27,760
of advice. I mean, there was a lot of advice

1021
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,039
that I was taking from guys who done did some

1022
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,320
hard time and they were giving me some good advice. Like, man,

1023
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,760
you know, if I was your agent, had a lot

1024
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,280
of knowledge that you have, uh, you know, I would

1025
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,679
really do something with my life. And so that kind

1026
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:40,360
of woke me up, like I got to go home

1027
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,039
and I got to do it right this time. And

1028
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,280
and that's meant that's my whole goal is to do

1029
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,079
it right. When I was sitting, you know, in my

1030
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:49,199
cell at nighttime, a lot of you know, a lot

1031
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:52,559
of dark, lonely nights, just depression, you know, depression.

1032
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,119
Speaker 2: I can't imagine, and it's.

1033
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,119
Speaker 4: You know, so there was a lot of depression. There

1034
00:50:58,199 --> 00:50:59,280
was a lot of anxiety.

1035
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1036
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 4: At one point, I just was thought like this might

1037
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,039
be it for me, like this this. At one point,

1038
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,960
I thought about doing something very serious in prison, like

1039
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:09,920
I might catch another charge in prison. You know, I

1040
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,880
might have to really stab somebody, hurt somebody for my

1041
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,400
own protection. And so, you know, just just having all

1042
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,360
those those things going on is it's a lot going

1043
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,599
on through your mind, you know. But tours, you know,

1044
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:25,719
after the summer was kind of widening down, I then

1045
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,400
started focusing on more because I'm like, well, I'm going

1046
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,280
home pretty soon. So I started doing a lot of

1047
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,000
reading and writing. Most of my time I was doing

1048
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,000
little a lot of reading and writing, but I really

1049
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,559
was reading and writing it like full blown at the

1050
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,480
end my last few months, just doing research on how

1051
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,880
can I do it right? Because I was listening to people,

1052
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,159
you know, who had podcasts, who had news organizations who

1053
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,679
were doing it big and actually making a good impact

1054
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,920
on themselves and in the community. So you know, I

1055
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,079
was like, I really gotta, I gotta, I gotta get

1056
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,199
my foot in the mud when I get there. So immediately,

1057
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,119
like the second day I was home, I was in meetings,

1058
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,559
I was on phone, I was on the phone, I

1059
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,079
was getting booked, I was trying to find sponsors. And

1060
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,119
I'm not playing around this time. I'm doing it right, don't.

1061
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:05,920
My legal troubles are behind me now and I'm really

1062
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,519
just trying to move forward on what's next.

1063
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,599
Speaker 2: I think that's amazing and wonderful and ugly road to

1064
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:17,960
have to go. But every path has a you know,

1065
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,280
you're there to learn, right, they're teaching you lessons and things.

1066
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:26,159
I hope, uh, I hope it all comes together for you.

1067
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,480
I don't. I don't. I don't know with some of

1068
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,960
this stuff, Like I don't know what it's like in prison.

1069
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,400
It sounds horrible to me, and it was. Maybe it

1070
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,079
gave you a perspective of things that you got to

1071
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,119
see maybe more injustice and had your eyes open to

1072
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,920
things that nobody can really relate to, but you know

1073
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,000
people who can, and you've been there.

1074
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I can't believe I went through that.

1075
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,480
You know, I can't believe that. You know, you just

1076
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,159
see a lot of the stuff I'm moving into TVs.

1077
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,559
But like the stuff that I thought was fake in

1078
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,199
prison is really real. Like what like people like getting

1079
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:08,199
sexually assaulted, people getting stabbed, people overdose and people killing themselves,

1080
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,159
correction officers, you know, getting getting you know, down with

1081
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,079
the coruction officers even being with it, you know, some

1082
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,239
of them bringing the drugs in or helping with the drugs,

1083
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,159
and just a lot of crazy stuff that I just

1084
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,480
was like, I cannot believe this is stuff is actually happening.

1085
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:26,800
And at one point, you know, they try to silence you,

1086
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,599
you know, even in prison. Uh there was a situation

1087
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,719
that happened to me and uh the person in charge

1088
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,039
of the prison kept ignoring my letters and kept brushing

1089
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,840
me off. And and so it's really difficult to get

1090
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,400
some type of support in there now. And let alone,

1091
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,320
they're closing all the prisons, not all the persons, but

1092
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,760
they're closing a lot of prisons.

1093
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: So now you're.

1094
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: Putting people on top of each other, who literally are

1095
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,760
you know, you're putting soft crime on top of hard crime.

1096
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,960
So when you're out there, you're now a person who

1097
00:53:56,039 --> 00:54:00,199
don't committed grand larceny, who stole maybe stolen phone or

1098
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,000
something was stold a couple of TVs as not with

1099
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,559
a murderer.

1100
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,159
Speaker 2: Who know, buddy, I get that, and that's why, you know,

1101
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:11,199
I believe the law that has led a lot of

1102
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,639
people out right because justice. You got to go by

1103
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:18,320
the letter of law, the idea that somebody who committed

1104
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,679
a crime like you shouldn't be in jail, right, should

1105
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:25,920
be able to get to work, keep their family going,

1106
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,440
and all that, because what they did was really inconsequential.

1107
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,199
It didn't really impact anybody. Stealing from Walmart, they write

1108
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,039
a lot of that off. They build it into their

1109
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,480
budget that they're you know what I'm saying, Like a restaurant,

1110
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,960
you put in breakage for plates and things like that.

1111
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,679
It's just so how a well run business does it.

1112
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:43,519
Speaker 4: So.

1113
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,679
Speaker 2: But the problem was you had all this other prior stuff. Yeah,

1114
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,239
and you're you're an idealist young man, and I'm not.

1115
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,119
I get it. Believe me. Believe me, you and I

1116
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,239
are very similar. I once on the radio thanked an

1117
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:02,039
officer for not showing up to a traffic court thing whatever.

1118
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,679
I had so many tickets it was gonna cost me

1119
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,760
like four hundred bucks. And I really think that that

1120
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,639
that officer was like, you know what, if the kid's

1121
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,280
gonna go to court on, I'm gonna show up. A Yeah,

1122
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,519
it got dismissed because I challenged it, right. I went

1123
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,280
on the radio on a fifty thousand watt radio station

1124
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,599
in Pokeepsie, New York that reached Walkill, and I thanked

1125
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,840
this officer by name not for not showing up and

1126
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,760
saving me money. Dude. It was one of the dumbest

1127
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,760
things I ever did. I got pulled over with shit

1128
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,199
they made up I didn't even have. I didn't even

1129
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,039
know you could get tickets four hun your car. I mean,

1130
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,880
it was fucking outrageous. And this went on for months

1131
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,199
and months, and it cost me way more than four

1132
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,280
hundred dollars. Yeah, but I learned my lesson then. When

1133
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,159
someone does a gift for you, just keep your mouth

1134
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,480
shut and move forward. And I'm saying to you, you know,

1135
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,280
go back to the community. You aren't, I believe, and

1136
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,559
I'll say it. And I have gotten things. I mean,

1137
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,079
people send me stuff about you all say hey, look

1138
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,119
at it. Was out. He's a joke, he's this, he's that.

1139
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,159
I don't agree with that. I think you have And

1140
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:04,360
I'm gonna say this. I'll put it this way. I

1141
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,800
don't know what your listeners will think of this. I

1142
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,800
believe you have the potential to be an amazing asset

1143
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:17,519
to our overall community and specifically the city itself. But

1144
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,679
potential is one of the most deadly words in the

1145
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,800
English language. And I say that that way because because

1146
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,920
you'll be like, you may not reach it, you may

1147
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:27,159
just give up on it, you may do something dumb. Again.

1148
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:31,679
You just can't do that. You are you? You have, dude,

1149
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,960
you could be such an asset. You're bright, you're well spoken,

1150
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,599
you got the passion, You've got a fire in that belly.

1151
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:39,840
I see it. You want to push back again. It

1152
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,000
was wonderful. I love that you push back against me

1153
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,920
here and said I don't agree with you, this is

1154
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,880
old whatever. I don't have to we don't have to agree,

1155
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,400
but I will say I'm a fan. Yeah, and I

1156
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,280
think what you do is good. And I think you

1157
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,800
think you got a little jet. I was going up

1158
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,880
in prison, like you lifted some weight? Do you lift

1159
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,719
some weight? Yeah? You know to look at these. Yeah,

1160
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,519
I I was looking at I got a kid who

1161
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,760
can can bench over three hundred pounds. So you ain't

1162
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,119
there yet. Well, I'm not. I don't think I'm ever twenty.

1163
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:07,800
How old are you?

1164
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:09,159
Speaker 4: I'll be twenty four next month.

1165
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,119
Speaker 2: Okay, he's twenty three. I'm not lifting, trust and believe,

1166
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,119
but you look good.

1167
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:14,039
Speaker 4: He's got to be tall.

1168
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,719
Speaker 2: No, he's like five. He's not. I have one that's

1169
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,559
six seven. Yeah, he's the middle guy. My youngest son

1170
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,320
is fished. I'm not doing six ye. No, but I'm

1171
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,480
not either of Jeffery. I never did two hundred was

1172
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:28,440
the max. That's the max I ever did. But this kid, yeah,

1173
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,599
he just put up. The other day. I sat on

1174
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,400
the bench at the gym I go to. I accidentally

1175
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,000
hit something on my phone because I was gonna put

1176
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,039
it down next to me. It opens Instagram. The first

1177
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,960
video that pops up is my son benching two hundred

1178
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,440
and seventy five pounds, four sets of three. Yeah, okay,

1179
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,880
and I and I just wrote I think I need

1180
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,760
to go home because I but he's about your age.

1181
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they they you know, there was a

1182
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,199
lot of guys and you know I was in the

1183
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:00,760
prison yard and you know, I was looking at all

1184
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,079
these you know, cause I'm hanging around a lot of

1185
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:04,039
people who are jacked up, you know, and I'm like,

1186
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,199
I'm like one of the littlest ones there. So it's

1187
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,679
like I just seen guys and it was like, I

1188
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:10,519
gotta do something with myself. And plus, you know, people

1189
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,599
kept trying me, you know, the people like, hey, you

1190
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:13,840
got to you got a tough up a little bit,

1191
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,360
you got toughen up. So you know, I'll starting hit

1192
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,039
the yard, and you know, I was working on a

1193
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,039
big dude, so they was like, Yo, if you don't

1194
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:20,519
lift this weight up, we're gonna.

1195
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: Drop in on you.

1196
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 4: So like you really got to really push because they're

1197
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:25,360
not babying you in this yard. These are a bunch

1198
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,880
of grown men, so they're you know, they're I'm pushing.

1199
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,360
I'm pushing. And every day they would come to myself like, yo,

1200
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,559
let's go. They just called yard, let's go, let's go,

1201
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:34,719
let's go. So, you know, just out there all summer

1202
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:36,599
long and sometimes when even with snow and just getting

1203
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,239
out there and just working out. So that was kind

1204
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,320
of like my that was I was taking all my

1205
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,159
anger and all my green on the wait.

1206
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: Great for your mental health, I think, I really do.

1207
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,199
I hope you continue to do that. I hope that

1208
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,760
you continue to do GSL News. I hope that you

1209
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,960
stick to your ideals. I hope you consider something.

1210
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: GSO News is coming back February fourth. Yeah, so hopefully

1211
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,239
you know the film crew. We're gonna film commercial. We're

1212
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,199
coming back February fourth. It's going to be big. I'm

1213
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,920
not going anywhere. There's time. I'm glad that everything is

1214
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,639
behind me. Finally, I'm glad that everything is behind me

1215
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,920
now where I can honestly just move forward and just

1216
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:16,039
I just do.

1217
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,719
Speaker 2: Mean, you did shit that nobody else can relate to

1218
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,360
other than a few, right right, and and I would

1219
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,119
think for you nothing should scare you anymore. But I hope,

1220
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:33,440
if anything, you see the soul of humanity through all

1221
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:36,360
that you've gone through, because I think in prison people

1222
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,039
aren't very well treated. No, and I don't know, but

1223
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:44,239
I hope that that gives you perspective when when a family.

1224
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,440
I'm not saying the family, that's all I say. I'll

1225
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,280
leave it there. I don't want to beat a dead horse,

1226
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,000
and I don't want to upset you. No.

1227
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:54,559
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I understand what people are saying, you know,

1228
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:58,039
when I do well, and I love listening to people's

1229
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,079
opinions because sometimes when people have opinion, I do make change.

1230
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:04,400
And so you know, there's a lot of change that

1231
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,440
I has happened to my company, and there's a lot

1232
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,400
of change that is coming, you know. But a lot

1233
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,840
of my policies will not be changing. But the overall

1234
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,000
like decision making and things that I do report on,

1235
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:17,119
things I do show.

1236
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: Will change slightly. Let me say something to you that

1237
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,880
I say to my sons that when people give you

1238
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,840
advice and they tell you things like you know, I

1239
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,679
wouldn't do that, they're not telling you to shit on

1240
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,679
your dream. Although it feels that way, they're telling you

1241
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,119
that out of their concern and love or personal experience,

1242
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:40,920
doesn't mean it's your experience. Doesn't mean it's going to

1243
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,559
go that way for you. You know, you can let it.

1244
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,280
I would always say you have to follow your gut.

1245
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,760
If your gut Jeffrey tells you something with your organization,

1246
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,920
then go with it. It's your intuition. Doesn't mean everybody

1247
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,039
else is right, you know, And and we don't have

1248
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,000
to like basically give the middle finger to the established,

1249
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,239
and so to speak, we can just give the I

1250
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,880
hear you and go and do what I'm gonna do anyway. Yeah,

1251
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,880
and I think that you you have again the greatest potential.

1252
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,239
I could see you as a leader in the community,

1253
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:16,119
elected leader who knows. I don't know. I don't.

1254
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:18,679
Speaker 4: I don't think I wren't for politics, so you know, no.

1255
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: I get that, but I mean I understand, but I

1256
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,480
still think that you're you're you got I ran from at.

1257
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: One point, I ran from mayor. You know, that was

1258
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,000
kind of like just a test. Yeah, it ain't go

1259
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,440
my way, but well you're young.

1260
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: You were young.

1261
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: So but now it's like, I'd rather be a voice

1262
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,800
than you know, a political leader. You know, I'm not

1263
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,960
going to be. I don't want to be a mayor

1264
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:40,199
or anything like that, but you know, I'd rather be

1265
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:42,039
a voice and and and just got other people and

1266
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,239
show people, you know, ye, not the way impossible, all right.

1267
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,079
Speaker 2: I had a heart out here, so I I gotta go.

1268
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:52,159
And and my man he kept me late, but running late.

1269
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,000
But for you, for for you, Jeffrey, I would do

1270
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:00,840
that much love sincerely, and I and I think and.

1271
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: I think you for a reason because I you know,

1272
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,960
I was going through some of my old voicemails, you know,

1273
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:06,400
after that day happened when they arrested.

1274
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: Me a lot.

1275
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:08,719
Speaker 4: You had a good voice, moil, So I appreciate you for,

1276
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,719
you know, just reaching out.

1277
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,119
Speaker 2: Don't I don't think bad things, and I would never

1278
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,199
wish anybody bad. People can think what they wanted me.

1279
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,920
What other people's opinion of you, remember this too is

1280
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,760
none of your business. It's not.

1281
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,519
Speaker 4: And you just got you know, So most times I

1282
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:23,960
don't really be caring what people.

1283
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: Say is good and that's okay. But but I also

1284
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,960
when I see someone that I know and going through

1285
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,079
a tough time or something, I don't wish you ill.

1286
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,960
I'm not cheering on, you know, I'm not cheering that on.

1287
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,000
I'm not We may not agree on certain things, but

1288
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,880
I'm not cheering that on all right. For Jeffrey Rogers

1289
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,559
will probably I'm sure somebody he was videoing in here.

1290
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,239
I don't know where it'll go or if it's already

1291
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,280
up or whatever it is.

1292
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: Uh and look and look at me up on everything

1293
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,400
GSO News and GWS dot com.

1294
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: Okay, and and and if you want to support go

1295
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,039
there as well. You can all right. For Jeffrey Rogers, Hi,

1296
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,239
Bill Moran, we'll see you.

1297
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:05,039
Speaker 4: Next time.

1298
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: I woke up in the hotel, didn't know what to do.

1299
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,679
I turn a TV on, rute a letter to you.

1300
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,320
The news was talk didn't by the dad about

1301
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,079
Speaker 4: The years day