Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some Vodka's call it a podcast from the
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Victor Chrysler Dods Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on,
Thank you for telling a friend. That's how we spread
the word about the pirate ship. Now to say I'm
not I'm a little frustrated as an understatement, but there's
a very handsome gentleman who I haven't seen in a while,
and he looks like he's put on some muscle. Is
that possible? Is that possible?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome in. Welcome in. Its Jeffrey Rogers from GSL
News one and Only to one and only. I know,
and we're supposed to start this at one o'clock. We're
taping into too. Jeffrey, what the fuck is going on?
I CPT baby, and I know it's a real thing.
Speaker 4: Now, Okay, look I've been it's been chaotic.
Speaker 2: It's been gotta let me fucking know you care like
I got shit going on?
Speaker 4: O'Day, Okay, Look I can explain. It was a lot
going on and I have about two drivers. So the traffic,
I don't know what's going on, but the guys.
Speaker 2: I should have warned you because it goes down to
one lane because they're fixing the bridge.
Speaker 4: And then and then the traffic downtown. They're doing construction everywhere.
So it's like, I'm I'm I'm no, I have to
really fix the scheduling because if I didn't know traffic
was gonna be this bad.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, let me let me just say
this to you. I much love to you. I'm gonna
see that I appreciate you taking the time, and I
mean that this is important for me to So it's
important for me as well, because I think we have
a lot of things to discuss, a lot of things
that I am an old man. Now you understand me.
Speaker 4: I see out of gray hair. You got way gray hair,
and I've seen the last time.
Speaker 2: That's right, okay, Because I was stressed about you being
in the joint and I am teasing, I'm teasing. No,
we got a lot of time, we have a lot
of talk about. But so I want I'm going to
say some things that I don't think you're going to
necessarily agree with but it's gonna be advice, and you
take it into advice, you understand. Yeah, all right, So
let's start with what I believe was leading up to
you getting putting being put back in the in the lockup,
and you tell me you.
Speaker 4: Want to put you want me to put my personal
opinions on.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say some stuff and then I want
you to tell me where I'm wrong or or what's
going on? Is that fair?
Speaker 4: Fair?
Speaker 2: All right? So you are a local citizen journalist, and yes,
you have done such a good job that CNN and
other network news have reached out to you for your footage.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And you know, like I said, the bigger
stories is what I'm known for, like especially like the
tarift attacks and the protest, just major events here in Rochester,
New York. That's what I'm meaning for. And I've actually
go ahead and I've actually what are you doing? I'm
just getting some you know, I gotta get everything on video, heir.
But I actually was also known for covering the district
attorney who I was actually one of the first reporters
to actually initiate the reporting on that with the bodycam
footage and then reaching out to other mainstream medias.
Speaker 2: So it's your fault that Sandra Dorley, who I have
said on the bodycam footage, I thought she looked hot,
and like your bodycam footage isn't kind to anybody. Whatever
plastic surgery she had done, she looked hot.
Speaker 4: Well, but it was anyway, the plastic surgery. I didn't
know she got plastic surgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had. She had what I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 4: Well, she's making all of you know, taxpayer's dollars, so
she was.
Speaker 2: She got a deep neck contour, and it was that
public record. No, but I think she was on a
I'm gonna say it's public record in the fact that
I think she did an advertisement for Quotella who did
the surgery. I think she did it before and after Billboard.
So yeah, I don't think it was a secret. But
I didn't know. I didn't know. Honestly, I didn't. I noticed.
But let me just say this, because I heard you.
I heard you take a shot there at her on
taxpayer dollars. It's not on taxpayer dollars. I don't like
when people say that's my tax dollars. You don't know
what your tax dollars go to. And neither do I
I don't know. You just said.
Speaker 4: She's making all the money from the taxpayers.
Speaker 2: Say, but she's she's the district attorney, she's on your behalf,
she's working. She went to LASS with a former district attorney.
I understand, all right, But Jeffrey, let's get back to Jeffrey,
because I think you have a very interesting story. So
the way I saw it happening, Jeffrey was there was
that horrible incident that happened at Maplewood Park during a
community barbecue. Let me, let me, let me, let me
go back for a second. I want to say this.
I think what you do as GSL News is I
think you highlight a community that isn't highlighted and should be.
I think that sometimes bad, but there's a lot of good.
I believe that goes completely unnoticed and unrecognized, at least
in what we would call mainstream fair. Yeah. I really
think that. And I think that there are times like
I know you're doing something that's going to come out
on GSL News when you're ready, but an interview with
a local rapper who's got an album coming out.
Speaker 4: So that's that's coming out, that's coming out January tenth with.
Speaker 2: But this is but this is a kid who's put
a lot of hustle into making his music, who's put
a lot of time into that effort, has written, has done.
I love that you're doing that because I don't think
that that stuff is getting highlighted in our mainstream news,
and I think it should be.
Speaker 4: I was actually having a conversation yesterday and the conversation
was like, you know, local news is kind of dying,
and that's just happened across the country because now you
have the mainstream media.
Speaker 2: Nobody's watching, right The reason nobody's watching is everything's on demand.
I get the push notifications and I turn on I'll
go to the news. It's just I can get it
on X, I can get it on Facebook, I can
get it on whatever name it. You know. Now that's
where I come in, you know.
Speaker 4: I think I think when I was in prison, you know,
the community kind of missed that on demand, straight on
the spot, on spot news, and that was just what
everything that wasn't just what crime that I was covering,
that was what everything.
Speaker 2: Well see, I want to highlight that. I want to
highlight that what grabs headlines and always in news was
the saying was if it leads, it leads, so all
we get is tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, negativity. What I did
find with GSL news was there were times things were
being highlighted, you know, cuts for kids that were being
done at barbershops, back to school pack that were given
away to support children in the in the city school district.
Those are things that need to be highlighted, and sometimes
they are on main street media when it's a slow
news days.
Speaker 4: Understand what is and that's shitty, that's and that's sad
because you know, like especially when you know I'm out
there reporting news, like I could be out of shooting
and I'd be like, you know what, I have to
get to this other event the kids are they are
having a giveaway for the kids. So my schedule is
when I was out there reporting is full, not only
with this crime but the community events because you kind
of got a saturated and the community is like this
news is what builds a community exacts.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I would say this, I
think that what we hear about often because if it leads,
it leads, and that seems to be the philosophy or
the statement that most follow I would say that we
hear about the negativity, and I have talked to law
enforcement and it's a very small percentage within the community
that we were talking about. In the city of Rochester
or any urban setting, it's a small percentage of the
people that are doing the crime. That's that is true.
That is true, Okay, So because of that, but we
highlight that and we focus on that, and all that
does is spread fear and negativity and people miss out
on opportunities, right, I believe. And so I don't know
what you see your job as, but to me, I
think you need to start doing like a good news
story every every newscast that highlights something positive in your
community with people of your skin tones.
Speaker 4: Seriously, So this is what so. So I was doing
this already, and but it wasn't like every day, but
it was like, I've tried to do these three yes,
four positive stories a week. And I know that I
make impact in people's lives with people's businesses, because at
one point last year actually decided to bring in this
new category with Yes News to highlight small business in
the city of Rochester, and then I kind of expanded
out to larger areas like Penfield and Webster and started
going out and highlighting the small businesses. Actually had one lady,
the Brooks Landing Diner. I did a story, you know,
one day, I just walked up and Randy, it was like,
I'm gonna just pick this place to just do a
you know, a small business highlight the door. The line
was out the door the next day.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 4: And So if I'm able to make an impact like that,
just imagine if I had more backing behind me, how
much impact I could make in the community. And I
know I'm making a big impact.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's stick with that idea right there, and
let's go with a positive mindset. I want to go
back to the Maplewood Park where the shootout.
Speaker 4: Left to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Left two women dead and you were there. Five were injured. Tragedy,
really tragic. Again, I'm going to say, small percentage of
people are committed, are causing the problems in anywhere, right,
it's always you know, bad Apple spoils the bunch. Yeah. Okay,
So they started doing CPR and one of the women
and you started recording and you posted the women. The
video of one of the women receiving CPR yes, partially
blurring the image, but not completely. It was widely viewed,
and I believe the victims' family members asked you to
take it down. And this is where you and I
are going to differ. Okay, So you did not take
it down.
Speaker 4: No I didn't, okay, and I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm going to tell you, well, we'll discuss.
Speaker 4: We'll discuss. I'm ready to go on, hang on. Okay.
Speaker 2: So then you went to they had a balloon release
memorial service for the woman who died.
Speaker 4: Yes, you show up, I do, along with all the
news stations.
Speaker 2: That's fine. You showed up. Now the other news stations
didn't show the video. I don't even know that. They're
not going to They're not going to show me getting.
Speaker 4: Attacked and no, no, not you getting attacked, or they're
not going to show what the CPR.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, because that was my video. I was.
Speaker 4: I was so but I'm just saying, can I can
I do a breakdown of actually from my point of
view or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you can, but let me walk through this.
Let me just walk through this, because this is I'm
just telling you what I understand of the situation. So
you know where my perspective is. And then I will
absolutely give you of the microphone to say whatever you want.
There's no censorship. So but you show up and they
kicked the ship out of you. I mean they beat
the fucking ship out of you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sliced in my neck and everything. So is this
scar on your your cheek from that? No, that's from prison.
So that I actually got sliced in the face.
Speaker 2: All right, I don't mean to laugh.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's fine, that's fine, laugh at now yeah,
ok look I'm.
Speaker 2: Here, so yeah, okay, so listen. So now, broken bones,
no broken bones things Mom said broken bones.
Speaker 4: So there was no broken bones. There was a lot
of hits to the ribs though my ribs was hurting
for a few weeks.
Speaker 2: There was, and some gentlemen stepped in and kind of
got you out of there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So two gentlemen, demon assembly men, demon meeks and then
Richard gray Face. He's known as Richard gray Face in
the city of Rochester. He has a company where he
makes you know things in the community.
Speaker 2: And right now you get beat up, and then it
feels like after that you're you're highlighted. Right, you're getting
a lot of social media attention. You're controversial, whether you
believe it or not, especially because of this situation both
in your community and outside the community, and people are
like aware of where you are. And I feel like
that's when you're found to be in violation and parole
and probation, probation, I'm sorry, probation and brought back in
Well what yeah, okay, probate should and brought back in
to court. And I feel like the incident at Maplewood
Park sort of set off the dynamite for you to
end up back in jail. That's true.
Speaker 4: So that wasn't true. Actually, so I was, actually so
I was actually there was a war out for my
arrest already as I was covering news Chase, but they
couldn't find you. They couldn't find me because I let
the angle Mondelor die. So I'm gonna just tell the truth,
you know. So I'm gonna just tell the truth.
Speaker 2: I want to know what is the what is the
crime in Erie County that you committed?
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go all in and I'm so basically
the crime that I committed was they said it was
a robbery. It wasn't a robbery. Let me just clear
you here, because everybody says, well, he was in prison
and he did a robbery. No, So I went into
Walmart around the ten fifteen PM That's least what the
police report says. I went in around ten fifteen pm
because I was already working in Buffalo. I cover news
in Buffalo as well, so I wanted, you know, Nintendo
Switch games. At the time, I couldn't afford it, and
it wasn't in you know, my my budget. So you know,
I decided there was a lot of people who were
getting away with smashing grabs. It looks like they wasn't
really prosecuting people. So I decided, you know what, I'm
gonna go in Walmart still video games, got in, broke
the glass of the display, and took the video games.
Three months later, detectives didn't come looking for me and
telling me, you know, we want to talk to you
about a robbery, and I'm like, robbery, and.
Speaker 2: But you did commit a robbery. Well, don't give me, well.
Speaker 4: It's not a robbery. Honestly, that's how I look it.
I don't think it was a robbery because robbery is.
Speaker 2: Like fuck, do you not think it's a robber, robbery information.
A robbery is like, everybody get.
Speaker 3: On the ground, like, no, that is not a robbery. Okay,
well that is not a robbery, is what it is.
That's called that's armed robbery, and that's like a threatening people.
So it's a robbery and a botter way smash and grab.
You fucking broke the cash I did. Okay, you know
what's crazy? I still have the video game.
Speaker 2: Why why would you, who already knows the cost of
being in front of judges and covering the news want
to do that? I think it was what was your brain?
Speaker 4: That was a bad, impulsive decision. It was very impulsive, Gary,
stop that listen. That was very impulsive and inappropriate. I
don't I don't know what just decided to go all right.
Speaker 2: So then it was just a kind of a bad
luck situation for you in that you got jumped at
Maplewood Park. You got beat up. So yeah, by the way,
it looked like a lot of ladies kicked the ship
out of you. I wouldn't want to mess with those ladies.
Speaker 4: Was the grass, basically, that's all I could see was
the grass and curb on sidewalk. So basically that day
you want to be going to detail.
Speaker 2: Give me, so give me the give me the thing.
Your perspective on the video, and I.
Speaker 4: Know you've said I haven't seen the video.
Speaker 2: No, not the video. You getting beat up. I want
your perspective on why the CPR video, And let's just
talk about that for just a second. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: So I was there before the shooting started. I was
actually there. I was actually there as like a regular
citizen at the so.
Speaker 2: And you weren't there to cover it.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there to cover it.
Speaker 2: But it was a nice thing for the It was a.
Speaker 4: Nice thing for the community. But this is something I
just wanted to kind of lay low because I knew
that there was already a warrant for me. So you know,
I'm just kind of laying long, kind of enjoyed myself
because I know eventually they're gonna come get me, so
I'm just gonna enjoy myself. Went out with a couple
of friends and we're like, hey, no, they got a
good barbecue going on, so let's, you know, enjoy it.
The barbecue was it was, it was, it was good.
It was very peaceful at first, and uh, you know,
I don't know what transpired there was a fight with
a couple of girls before the shooting started. That was
like ten minutes before the shooting started. They broke it
up and then these guys in the middle started arguing
and that's when the gunshot started going crazy. And I
was already recording, so I just decided to just keep rolling,
just keep rolling. And you know, I've just seen people
laying on the ground, people are shot, people are injured,
and you know me, let.
Speaker 2: Me stop you there. The fact that you were recording
that stuff and you were sort of caught in the chaos,
I don't think. And there's a philosopher named Nietzsche. You
can look them up, and I believe Nietzsche, and I
may have this wrong, said would you commit the crime
the pain if you could see the face that you're
doing it to? And the reason I think I bring
that up here is that I think many of us
who are not in your community hear this knowing and go, well,
we this is this is what happens. This is what happens,
and we don't know what it's like. We just brush
it off. And to see it and to understand it
and have human beings who you wish they could have
some as you said, your impulse control or some better
way of settling a dispute. Even if it was fists.
It's not as deadly it could be. But it's not
as is, you know, right, So I thought that was
an important thing for people to see, to to go
this isn't just up Maple would hard brush it off.
This is this is a scary, sad situation caused by
a small percentage of people at that event. Yeah, you know,
I think.
Speaker 4: The the reason why I show these things and the
reason why I don't I don't really try to center
too much, is because I'm tired of the mainstream media
covering up what's really happening and censoring what's really happening.
So my goal is to show and to try to
show as much as I can without showing too much.
You get what I'm saying, like more too much where
people were like throwing up. But you know, I want
people in a community to understand in other communities what
my community.
Speaker 2: Is going through, what the pain, what the sorrow. I
think that's so important, and I'm not kidding you. I
think that's so important. Because we hear about a shooting,
we hear about someone who died, but we're not thinking
about the ripple effects of what that death does to
a family, to a community, a community, to children, to
just your general mental health of what should be safety. Yeah, correct,
I mean I really think it's important. Here's where I
think you went overboard, because you serve the community, and
the community came to you and said, please at least
edit out O our sister, our daughter, are whoever our
loved one getting CPR, and you wouldn't. And I understand
the idea of you don't get it unless you see it,
and I agree with that, but if someone from the
community that you serve asks you, I think you should
have honored that request. I really do. And I do
this podcast and a lot of shit gets talked, and
there are people that have not been mentioned, but they
knew they were being talked about, and nobody listening would
know they were being mentioned. They just wouldn't. It's just
a general story with anybody. But those people are in
real pain when they call, and I will consider. And
sometimes I have taken podcasts down, I have edited podcasts.
I did things on the radio where I would come back,
I will let the person come on and express themselves.
I wish in a way you had done that, because
I think that the fact that you got beat up
while there was a direct result of that. Do you
agree was that a direct result of showing that keeping
that video up? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So no, so the reason the video was blurred. So
that's the whole thing happened.
Speaker 2: But I saw it, and you can't see it and understand.
But it's like me saying, we never mentioned your name
on the podcast, and we're not saying that it was
it's Jane do but the person knows it. And that's
what I'm saying is you've caused more pain for people
who are already in pain in a community that you
don't want to cause the pain.
Speaker 4: Brother, hold on, hold on, hold on. So I've never
I don't tend to delete videos. I don't try to
edit anything. I don't want to go back and sity.
That's never met my policy. And people notice, since I
was a kid, I understand.
Speaker 2: But sometimes as we get older and as we can
look at things and have a different perspective and go,
I know you're in a lot of pain. I'm going
to show the shooting and I may mention that your
loving one past, but I w I will take that
video out because I don't want to cause you more pain. So,
by the way, I don't think you should have had
your ass kicked over that. That's too So look, here's
what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna sit here and be
really honest. Fine, and I know the community.
Speaker 4: Maybe people in the community may be upset or or emotional,
and I get it because I've lost family members to
gun violence in the city of Rochester. I've lost cousins.
But I wouldn't change the perspective if it was my
cousin or with my friend or a community.
Speaker 2: Hang on communicy, No, no, wait, now stop first.
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna change my reporting.
Speaker 2: It's stopped for justice no matter who it is. It's
your cousin that gets that gets killed, and you happen
to be there, and you whip out the camera and
either medical services or someone who knows CPR is pumping,
pump and pumping, and your aunt comes to you and
she says, Jeffrey, can you just take that portion of
the video out. She's crying, Jeffrey, we see the real pain,
we see the ripple effects. You could have gone the
same message, which I believe, and I agree with you
with without having to put more salt on a pain
gate of a family that I can't. I'm gonna say
it as as directly as I can. I cannot fucking
imagine what it would be like to lose my child.
Speaker 4: Okay, So look, I understand the sorrow, the pain that
everybody's going through. I understand it. I've lived in this community.
I understand it. What out interrupted me, Bill, Listen. The
reason why I didn't want to delete it, and the
reason why I don't delete hundreds of other videos where
people are being shot, stabbed and CPR is being done,
is because that's true journalism. That is real journalism. And
I know people are gonna be hurting and and and
and I'm sorry to the people who really are hurting
from the gun violence, from the violence in general that
is happening in our community and many communities around the country.
I am not going to delete a video. I'm gonna
try to blur it as much as I can, but
I'm not gonna delete any video because that's true journalism.
If we continue to sensitize things that are happening in
our communities, and I see your face, I see your face.
If we continue to censor things in our community. We
will continue to brush it off and we will continue
to have the same policies and the same thing, and
it's gonna be a ripple effect. So if you if no,
if you're seeing it, then you want to make a change.
You want to make a change in our community, people
will vote different. People will look at these things and
say no more. Because there's no reason why a sixteen
year old should be shot and killed in a driveway
and there's nobody speaking about it. But I guarantee you
if I was there, because this is the case that
happened right before I was released from prison, there was
a sixteen year old young man who was gunned down
on Warwick Avenue and it didn't get the news coverage
at God. And we're going to continue to see these things.
So if you show these things that are happening in
our community, then people want to make a change. Then
people say no more. We cannot let our young children,
You cannot out of people.
Speaker 2: No, no, I got it. But let me go back
to this, and this is where it's a young man
versus old man perspective, because I think you get the
message across that you just laid out eloquently. Okay, you
laid it out. I think showing the chaos of the shooting,
you know, maybe the feet of a person down, maybe
someone running over to But when a family comes to you,
And here's the thing, Jeffrey, is you are not just
showing what's happening in the community. You are of the community.
You are a representative of the community, right and if
the community asks you, from a place of pain and
sorrow to take something down, I hope in the future
you will sincerely consider it. And I'm not something I'm
not saying softened because you're gonna go it's journalism, bullshit,
It's not. It's exploitative and that's what it is. But difference,
jeff there's a difference.
Speaker 4: Now, hold on, hold on, here's something I'm gonna say. Okay,
even after that, after they attacked me, after the backlash happened,
I think many people in a community, after I disappeared
and went to prison, people start to understand why because
I people understanding why I didn't delete it. People are
understanding why, and then people are understanding why they need
a GSO news in the community because it's been dark
in a lot of places where you're not. There's no
light in there anymore because GSO news is not going
We're not able to cover anything.
Speaker 2: It's something that I may consider. But all I'm saying, Jeff,
have you lost anybody that crime or gun violence or
anything like that. No, I haven't, and I'm being but
that's not my point. Mike. You're not listening, You're not hearing,
and I need you to really almost feel the words
I'm saying. I agree with your philosophy. Yes, I told
you a philosopher that says, if you could put a
face to the pain, would you continue to commit it?
If we put a face to the community and we
see the violence firsthand, are we gonna just brush it
off as another shooting in the city? Are We don't
believe so? And I think you're right. What I'm saying
is you can do that and still honor the community
when there's a request made. That's all I'm saying. I
get what you're saying, that it's it's to the you know,
it's true journalism. Yes, I see that, but there's also
a point where borders on exploitative in that I know
I'm going to get more views. Can you believe how
bad this is Yes, more people need to see it,
and what they need to see is the families that
are affected ripple effect. That's what I I think there's
more people in your community that don't want what's happening,
but they're afraid to say anything, right because look at
what happened just in your saying, I don't want to
take this down, and I get it, but it's a
young man's it's a very you know, it's a perspective
that I believe is a young man's perspective. And I
think as you get older, you'll say, I can't achieve
my goal without having to hurt another poor soul in
a wound because there's not what you want to do.
Speaker 4: No offense to you, Bill, but this is why there's
a lot of young journalists, a lot of young people
pushing out the older people. No offense to you, but
that's old journalism. I feel like it's, oh, I find
that's well, okay, I'm not okay journalism.
Speaker 2: But it's not all journalism what you're doing, and it
has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to
do with old people verus young people. I'm saying a
young versus old perspective in that I have lived right.
I don't want to see more pain for people who
are already in pain. I maybe it's missed placed perspective
on them to say, Jeffrey, but they're so upset they're
looking at anybody to kind of lash out at. And
when you didn't honor their request, you still got your
message across, Jeffrey. You still showed what's going on in there.
This isn't oldver, since this is being human being versus
being right. I'm gonna be righteous and idealist. I'm gonna
be righteous and idealists, and you're righteous and idealists. Well,
I believe in the long run could hurt you, but
by the way it physically did.
Speaker 4: Well, I get what you're saying, and I'm taking in.
I've been hearing this for almost two years now.
Speaker 2: I've sure and look, I know you want to turn
around and say to me, you don't know what you're
talking about. You haven't walked my streets. No, I hear you.
I see that shit. I know your one shade. I'm another.
I don't know your community, but I know human beings
and I don't want to see somebody in more pain,
Like I'm telling you Jeffrey, And this is something you
can't relate to. I understand, but look, look, no, hang on,
you can't relate to what it would be like for
the mother or father of that young lady and to
just not want to have to see that or have
people come and talk to them about seeing that. They
want this person to be remembered as whatever she was,
a wonderful cook, an amazing mom herself. I don't know,
but something that's more positive. Showing that stuff is smart
but keeping some boundaries on it is intelligent. They're smart
and intelligent. Jeffrey. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I understand it, and I agree with some parts, but
other parts I'm just gonna have to, Heidi disagree.
Speaker 2: And that's just you know, that's just my my you'll
come around to the way I think.
Speaker 4: That's my journalism. I may come around, but I may not.
But I feel like, you know, I'm gonna try to
blur out as much as I can. And you know
what you do is I'm gonna highlight and I'm also
you know, if a victim dies, I try to highlight
what their life was before they passed away, or you
know what I mean, And and so like I said, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna continue to do what I do.
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna change my policies too much
after even after that, I'm not gonna change.
Speaker 2: All I would say is considerate because you're not just
showing the community to me. You're you are a leader
of the community. You're somebody that people when they feel
like they're not being heard, they probably to turn to you.
They call you and say, Jeffrey, can you help me
with this? Can you spot like this? That's that's amazing,
right that, that's really honestly incredible. All I'm saying to
you is just have a little bit more humanity in it.
You can still get the message across. Just a little
more humanity, that's all.
Speaker 4: And and I understand that. But like I said, my
policies will not change. Okay, And I get it.
Speaker 2: And I say, you're frustrated just a little bit. No,
I'm not. I'm just saying to you. All I'm saying
is try to understand. I know what your policies are.
I got it. But you're you want to put your
stick in the you I know what you're doing, I
got it. What am I doing? You're a young guy.
You want to tell the old people, fuck you, I'm
gonna do it my way. You don't know what you're
talking about. That I'm not saying what you're thinking. I'm
not saying in a different no. No, no, no, but
that is your thinking.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. I understand what the people
are saying in the community. I understand they're frustrated. I
understand they don't want to see that. I understand it,
but I want them to also understand it from my view.
Speaker 2: Yes, my point of view. I think your point of
view is fun because if.
Speaker 4: We continue you to sanitize it, I got it.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you're right, we sanitize it, and we and
we make it and we don't handle it right. We
sanitize it. I'm not saying sanitize it. I'm saying, when
someone from your community comes to you, listen to them
and try to consider the pain they're in and maybe
be a little more human because you there was nothing
that would change in that video if you just edited
her that portion out, it really wouldn't. You still would
show this is fucked up, and these are great people
for a great cause, and it's a small percentage that
cause problems here today? Then what about terrible ripples?
Speaker 4: Well, what about when you know, seeing auto Fox News
or ABC, which I have seen people heads being blown off,
people are being blown up, well just the other day
or a few months ago, I've seen them showing.
Speaker 2: It, but telling you not to show this. I'm saying
to you, when the family comes to you in your
community on the streets you walk, it's still Here's what
I said. It's different. Here's what I say.
Speaker 4: It's different if the community is upset for me showing
the truth or if the community is no, don't interrupt me.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you're not making sense, buddy. If the community
the community, Jeffrey, this is a specific family saying get
that piece of the video out. That's a human request
to another human being, something like the fucking community. Jeffrey,
You're still showing what's going on in the community.
Speaker 4: Okay, Look, do you understand something that you're okay?
Speaker 2: How about this to settle it is something I may
may you're not gone, something I may not. Your safety.
Speaker 4: I would like to see your safetuff that's gonna be down,
then that's what.
Speaker 2: It would be. Okay, But but that no, it'sh Why
do you need to be another statistic. Why does that
have to be Well, I don't want it, God forbid
it happens. But you know.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna die hard for what I do.
Speaker 2: People know I get, I get the die hard part,
and you're not hearing. What I'm saying is, yes, I understand.
Had the family not said anything to you about the
CPR being done, then leaving in there is not I
agree with you, even if other community members are a
little bit outraced. But when it's the direct relative, the
blood of the blood that's on the ground coming to
you and asking that, I'm all I'm saying to you
is please be a little human because this isn't This
isn't CNN Jeffrey. It's not showing people on the other
side of the world getting blown up to let you
get a perspective of what's happening over there, which is
also important and what you're trying to do for community.
This is you walking the streets, trying to show the
lives of the people that are not highlighted and should
be and showing a perspective on the violence. What are
your what are your what are your fans saying? Because
I know they're probably ripping on me. Well, some a
couple of them are.
Speaker 4: Some of them are some of them As you know,
they're always gonna be a fifty to fifty. But to
say this, let me say this, it's something I may consider,
you know, coming into the future. I think the policy
of GS on News will not change. It's not gonna change.
Speaker 2: I'm not don't take it. All I'm saying is if
a family member.
Speaker 4: Comes, yes, that's something I may consider. Be a human,
and it's something I have considered before. Okay, it's something
I have considered because I have I'm doing an agreement, right,
I have considered somethings. So what I want people to
understand is I just want the community to really wake up.
That's it. I want the community to to wake up
and and and understand why I'm showing these things or
why I'm trying to show these things because I think
it's very important for us, and and it's very emotional.
Speaker 2: I think it's very important for us. You can't be
doing dumb ship that gets you locked up, do.
Speaker 4: You understand, No, that's my legal troubles are done.
Speaker 2: I'm done. Okay, your legal troubles are done. But again,
the whole idea. I've been been on probation. No, hang on,
well you've been like if you were, go ahead. I'm
not nssed off for you because you got your you
knew you kept walking around with different things on your body.
And I understand why I got it. I believe me.
I understand. But every time you were getting tagged for it, right.
Speaker 4: Right, because they didn't want me to carry in the tasers, right,
and they.
Speaker 2: Didn't want that. I understand why you did it. I'm
not saying you're even carried that. You can't, but it's illegal.
It's not illegal. You can't carry it while you're on probation, Okay,
but you're right on probation, so you know what you got.
So now you're getting tagged for these things, and sometimes
you're getting some judges who are trying trying to give
you the benefit of the doubt, and then it just
happens over and over and over. And I know there
was one judge who just goes, okay, Jeffrey, you have
my hands tied at this point, am I wrong?
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's a big different perspective. I think there
was a whole back, behind the scenes, back door you
do thing that's going on. You know, like I said,
I just got done covering the day and and then
I was also investigating other court cases for misconduct. Well,
were you covering the DA over her her chase you're chasing?
Then I was also covering a lot of other news
stories for misconduct, right, evolving and stuff. Here's the thing
that no, that comes up, No that comes all behind that.
You could say, well, judge John Randall had his hot
hands tied. But this is also the same judge who
released no. This is also the same judge who released
the Boys and Girls mass shooter or suspect.
Speaker 2: But buddy, I get it, and I hear you. But
you had a list, they didn't. You've got probation, they didn't.
Speaker 4: So you So now you're trying to compare me to
a murderer.
Speaker 2: I'm not a potential murderer that when it comes down
to the law, justice is blind, right, right and wrong.
We're all going to say, in reality, it's not. But
in perspective, what what are we shown lady justice?
Speaker 4: So you think it's okay to say, don't think it's
you think it's okay.
Speaker 3: Look, Jeff, regardless, you don't want to try to twist
this ship.
Speaker 2: We're talking about you, I'm talking about these other people. Right.
Speaker 4: They didn't want me carrying the pocket dives and tasers.
That's something I continue to do for my safety, believe. Okay, well, Jeffrey,
you can't carry the pocketize and taser. I said, screw you,
because if something happens to me out here.
Speaker 2: And look the first time when they.
Speaker 4: Did take my vest in, all my my taser and
all that. Now I'm attacked by thirty people in a park.
What's all my weapons and stuff? So look how that
played out. I could have been able to confid myself about.
So I keep proving people wrong.
Speaker 2: No you don't. I proved you're only in that point.
No you didn't, Yes I did. Oh you didn't, Jeffrey,
because you put yourself in a situation.
Speaker 4: Well, I was inviting for people who also said no.
People also said we told him not to come to
the balloon release. That was false news.
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, Look, I don't know and people are
going to say things. What I'm gonna say to you
is this is these are people who were really upset
and they and they got you right, They were upset.
It was almost like a payback and was it right,
I don't think so. Was it misplaced anger? I'm gonna
say that's what it was us. It was somebody who
wanted they wanted to just feel like, fuck something right,
our loved ones killed. Who do we go to? Who's
out there? And then we they ask and I'm assuming
it was kindly and you didn't do it.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm saying. Let me be honest.
Let me be honest though, uh.
Speaker 2: Stop reading your notes, keep going, wait, keep talking. So
here's where you keep your attention over here, not on
your people.
Speaker 4: Here's what I say. I understand there was a lot
of frustration. There's a lot of frustration in the community
that you know. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, you know, sad situation
that happen, and there's going to continue to be sad
situations that happened that.
Speaker 2: I so it would have made it better if you
could have tasted somebody's ass there and then someone like
who knows.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm not saying it would have been better,
but I'm guarantee you thirty people would have tried me.
They see all that equipment on because not people are
gonna think, oh, well, maybe I don't want to get
so you know, it was a very sad situation for
the shooting to have happened, very crazy and chaotic. When
I was attacked, I think me being attacked kind of
opened my eyes. It opened my eyes and made me
aware of everything and made me aware of who I
really am in this community too.
Speaker 2: So you know, I want to be an enemy of
your own No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not an enemy of my community. I
know there's gonna be people in this community who.
Speaker 2: Don't like me. There's people people come over and kick
your ass for other things.
Speaker 4: Because go on fucking video, Yes, because.
Speaker 2: I yeah, the guy put you through a wall, Yes
he did.
Speaker 4: That was that was we don't give me started a situation.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm just saying to you, Jeffrey, when are
you gonna you're such you're a bright.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe the community, maybe the community just doesn't need
a GS on news anymore.
Speaker 2: That's how that's just it does.
Speaker 4: Because that's something I've been thinking about because like maybe
the community just maybe they just want me to be
done and maybe I can just finish and go to
college for marketing and just be done with journalism.
Speaker 2: Well, it's up to you, that's what that's what people
really want to see. But I'm not going anywhere, all right.
I don't think that's what people really want to say.
I think they want to see a little more humanity
and and love of the community. And that's why I'm
saying the show the stuff that the mainstream media isn't showing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get.
Speaker 2: Your idealism, and dude, I love the passion. I mean
that sincerely. But let's go back. You're in the hospital.
They arrested you, Yes, so you go. You're all banged up,
and they put you in jail. Yeah, are you in
Monroe County? So I was in Morroll County jail for about.
Speaker 4: Two days, and then they moved me to Livingston County
for protective custody because they said, you know, it was
an unsafe environment after everything would have happened in my journalism,
so they just decided to move me to a whole
new county jail where they majority keep federal inmates from
the surrounding counties. And so that was okay. You know,
that was okay until I moved up to prison and
then where the protective custody wasn't no longer. Uh, you know,
in effect anymore. So I was an Elmira for a month,
and then I went to Green Correctional Facility.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: So then I went to Green Correctional Facility, where I
was there for not even a full of three days,
and gang members actually sliced me in the face because
I got on the phone and I wasn't following the
game policies or the rules that they make. They make
up basically saying that you know, the gang members run
the phone, so you know, I just trying to call
my family let them know where I was at, and
you know, they disagreed, you know, and unfortunately I got
sliced in the face. After I got sliced in the face,
I was didn't move to Aubany Medical Center where they
didn't sit to me up and everything else. And then
I stayed there for about a day. Then they moved
me to Walk Up correction Facility, where I didn't finished,
but I did majority of my time there walkcop crks
finished walk Hill Correctional Facility that's near New York City
and it's actually.
Speaker 2: On the other side of the Hudson from where I
grew up and I used to be on the radio
in that whole areas ago.
Speaker 4: So they moved me there where I did almost a
year there. Then they moved me to in between. Also,
how long were you in for sixteen months? About fifteen
fifteen sixty months. But then in January I was actually
last shean rey. I actually got my sentence reduced because
I didn't have any abeego sentence, so they had to
lower my time because originally they gave me two years
and then they also said, I me just put this other.
The judge also said if I continue to fight the case,
like if I go to trial with it, then he'll
give me three to seven years. That's another crazy thing
to say, but so then they ended up giving me
a two to four which then actually got lower down
in January, so I actually had to bring me back
to Rochester, New York from walk Hill correction Officiality where
I was in growthing them for a once a month,
and then went back to walk Hill, and then for
my last three two and a half months, I went
to Orleans Correctional Officility where then I spent the rest
of my time in the box. So they actually moved
me to the box where I spent.
Speaker 2: You were in isolation, yep.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four hours a day. You're locking a cube?
Speaker 2: Why so did put you there?
Speaker 4: So they actually put me in the box because of well,
I originally was supposed to go to work release, so
work release because there was a strike going on in prison,
so it kind of pushed everything back. So originally I
was supposed to get work release in like June, but
the strike kind of put everything back, so they moved
me there pretty late, and then I went to the
work release dorm unit. There were some issues that I
had with a counselor there and she basically like she
saw my face.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you, I know you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: So she didn't want me to do the work release
because I guess she knows me from the community my
news reporting and try to say, well, I'm driving around
a fake cock car, which is not the case. And
so there were some disagreements. I then got kicked out
of work release, and then you know they were gonna
throw me in general population Orleans is closer to Rochester,
so there's a lot more people who are trying to
threaten me, stab me, whatever the case me be. So
I was getting quite a big threats there and then it
almost got into an education So at that point, then
they pult me in a box and they was like,
you're gonna stay here until you go home.
Speaker 2: So all that happening, yeah, it has to be scary
as hell. Yeah, and you know a lot of movement.
They had you move away.
Speaker 4: A lot quite quite a bit, you know, and just
going through multiple prisons or sometimes I had we had
to stay overnight at a MAX facility to just even
get to some of these facilities and just be shackled.
Mind you you're shackled for hours. The long prison bus rideser,
you're shackled for hours. Yeah, I mean almost, you're almost
shackled for almost like twelve hours. Are shackled at sometimes
from seven am to seven pm at most times, just shackled.
Speaker 2: So you know, all that was traumatizing.
Speaker 4: And then I you know, I get I got a
black eye from cquestioning up of the question officers. They
end up beating me up because they thought I was
stealing or thought I had bread in my pocket, which
you're not allowed to bring bread out of certain mess
halls and certain correctional facilities. So they end up jumping
on me, kicking, kicking me, and spitting on me the
correction officers. This is right before the body camera is
actually went full effect in all correctional facilities. And then
to be in there when the Robert Books situation happened.
That was kind of like my mom told me about
the Robber Books situation before before it had made news.
And then she was like, you know, are you okay?
I'm like, what's going on? She said, you know, uh,
mister Rix, which I call him because he actually hit
the son, the dad of the son who was murdered.
I actually knew him because he was in a program
of him. And she's like, you know, mister Rick's son
was murdered, And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Then it makes news and that kind of broke my
heart a little bit because you know, he was from
my city, so you know, just to see that going
on and it just see the change happening. And then
right after that, the you know all you know, majority
of crushing officers decided to walk out and then they
went on strike, which kind of made it a very
harsh environment because now we're locked down almost for a month.
We're locked down, we can't go to the messhoup. We're
just stuck in the unit. So you know, that just
made it very frustrating, and just everything in between watching
people die. A guy actually committed suicide and we have
watched them getting carried out and medical zamer vans and
people overdosing in I mean, it's it's a very harsh
environment to get through. But you know, at the same time,
I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of
men who was graduating college getting their GDS appoints. At
one point, they made me a tutor in here because
you know that was a little educated. So I was
helping people trying to get their GEDs and educate them.
How feel that felt good? That felt really good because
you know that there was one young man that I
was closer. She was older than me, but I'm gona
call him young man. I was young man, one young
man that I was actually close to, and I was
helping him get his ZED.
Speaker 2: He actually graduated and got his GED.
Speaker 4: So that made me like happy that was actually helped
this young man get his GED.
Speaker 2: So why can't you teach and run GSL news. Well,
I'm not a teacher. You know, that was just something
I was just doing that I understand, But why can't
you take that passion, that feeling of of why I
wanted to.
Speaker 4: I always want to. I always wanted to make my
own like program and stuff. But it's just it's the
lack of funding, you know, the lack of.
Speaker 2: And I'm even saying for you personally, like there's scholarships
and things that go unclaimed that you'd have to look.
But you're you're a researcher, you do, you do this,
you dig, You're a right, you're a bright guy. Go
go get something. And then even if you're just opening
up you know, the GSL News tutor Center helping kids,
I don't know, but you've got a lot of good
in you. I'll ask you this. That sounds horrible and
and and I'm sorry your whole prison thing, Oh it
sounds horrible. I can't imagine, like just mentally what that
is like. And I'm and and by the way, I'm
not here saying that. It seems harsh for the things
that happened to me. But but but you were given
many chances along the way. You really were right, And
so it comes down to this, and it's horrible. What
did you learn during that time? Is there anything you
walked away with and learned, you.
Speaker 4: Know, the things that I've I've learned things that I
learned in in prison is more more self control, for sure,
because there were situations where I really had to control
myself because it's like I knew, you know, you're arguing
with a guy who did thirty years and he could snap. Yeah,
so and they don't care. You know, lifers really don't care.
I don't seen lifers a stab other you know, inmates
in their souls, right, So like I've already got life, which.
Speaker 2: What I was doing's not a man that has nothing to.
Speaker 4: Lose, That's that's right. So you know, I really had
to I really had to control myself. And I feel
like I'm matured in there. I really mature because there's
a lot of things that I was looking at. A
lot of grown men who were also acting like kids
because mind you, a lot of them have been incarcerated
since they were seventeen, sixteen years old, and eighteen years old,
and this is it that they all they know. So
I was acting. I was seeing a lot of men
who are acting like kids and trying to just let
them know, like your behavior in society is it's not
going to be accepting.
Speaker 2: I keep my head down and shut my mouth. Honestly,
I wasn't, you know, nothing like that. I was. You know,
sometimes there was other.
Speaker 4: Guys that was close to me that was like, yo, relax,
like my dude, you know, they called me by my
last name, Roger Rogers said. They was likeyo, Roger, just relax,
just like I used to snap, and I'm gonna liket to.
I used to snap a lot like and.
Speaker 2: I didn't care.
Speaker 4: I got into a couple of you know, a couple
of scuffles, and you know, because I was a voice.
I was a voice in the in the in the
facility that I was in, my facility that I did
majority of my time in, and a lot of people
came to me for a lot of help, a lot
of advice. I mean, there was a lot of advice
that I was taking from guys who done did some
hard time and they were giving me some good advice. Like, man,
you know, if I was your agent, had a lot
of knowledge that you have, uh, you know, I would
really do something with my life. And so that kind
of woke me up, like I got to go home
and I got to do it right this time. And
and that's meant that's my whole goal is to do
it right. When I was sitting, you know, in my
cell at nighttime, a lot of you know, a lot
of dark, lonely nights, just depression, you know, depression.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine, and it's.
Speaker 4: You know, so there was a lot of depression. There
was a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: At one point, I just was thought like this might
be it for me, like this this. At one point,
I thought about doing something very serious in prison, like
I might catch another charge in prison. You know, I
might have to really stab somebody, hurt somebody for my
own protection. And so, you know, just just having all
those those things going on is it's a lot going
on through your mind, you know. But tours, you know,
after the summer was kind of widening down, I then
started focusing on more because I'm like, well, I'm going
home pretty soon. So I started doing a lot of
reading and writing. Most of my time I was doing
little a lot of reading and writing, but I really
was reading and writing it like full blown at the
end my last few months, just doing research on how
can I do it right? Because I was listening to people,
you know, who had podcasts, who had news organizations who
were doing it big and actually making a good impact
on themselves and in the community. So you know, I
was like, I really gotta, I gotta, I gotta get
my foot in the mud when I get there. So immediately,
like the second day I was home, I was in meetings,
I was on phone, I was on the phone, I
was getting booked, I was trying to find sponsors. And
I'm not playing around this time. I'm doing it right, don't.
My legal troubles are behind me now and I'm really
just trying to move forward on what's next.
Speaker 2: I think that's amazing and wonderful and ugly road to
have to go. But every path has a you know,
you're there to learn, right, they're teaching you lessons and things.
I hope, uh, I hope it all comes together for you.
I don't. I don't. I don't know with some of
this stuff, Like I don't know what it's like in prison.
It sounds horrible to me, and it was. Maybe it
gave you a perspective of things that you got to
see maybe more injustice and had your eyes open to
things that nobody can really relate to, but you know
people who can, and you've been there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I can't believe I went through that.
You know, I can't believe that. You know, you just
see a lot of the stuff I'm moving into TVs.
But like the stuff that I thought was fake in
prison is really real. Like what like people like getting
sexually assaulted, people getting stabbed, people overdose and people killing themselves,
correction officers, you know, getting getting you know, down with
the coruction officers even being with it, you know, some
of them bringing the drugs in or helping with the drugs,
and just a lot of crazy stuff that I just
was like, I cannot believe this is stuff is actually happening.
And at one point, you know, they try to silence you,
you know, even in prison. Uh there was a situation
that happened to me and uh the person in charge
of the prison kept ignoring my letters and kept brushing
me off. And and so it's really difficult to get
some type of support in there now. And let alone,
they're closing all the prisons, not all the persons, but
they're closing a lot of prisons.
Speaker 2: So now you're.
Speaker 4: Putting people on top of each other, who literally are
you know, you're putting soft crime on top of hard crime.
So when you're out there, you're now a person who
don't committed grand larceny, who stole maybe stolen phone or
something was stold a couple of TVs as not with
a murderer.
Speaker 2: Who know, buddy, I get that, and that's why, you know,
I believe the law that has led a lot of
people out right because justice. You got to go by
the letter of law, the idea that somebody who committed
a crime like you shouldn't be in jail, right, should
be able to get to work, keep their family going,
and all that, because what they did was really inconsequential.
It didn't really impact anybody. Stealing from Walmart, they write
a lot of that off. They build it into their
budget that they're you know what I'm saying, Like a restaurant,
you put in breakage for plates and things like that.
It's just so how a well run business does it.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: But the problem was you had all this other prior stuff. Yeah,
and you're you're an idealist young man, and I'm not.
I get it. Believe me. Believe me, you and I
are very similar. I once on the radio thanked an
officer for not showing up to a traffic court thing whatever.
I had so many tickets it was gonna cost me
like four hundred bucks. And I really think that that
that officer was like, you know what, if the kid's
gonna go to court on, I'm gonna show up. A Yeah,
it got dismissed because I challenged it, right. I went
on the radio on a fifty thousand watt radio station
in Pokeepsie, New York that reached Walkill, and I thanked
this officer by name not for not showing up and
saving me money. Dude. It was one of the dumbest
things I ever did. I got pulled over with shit
they made up I didn't even have. I didn't even
know you could get tickets four hun your car. I mean,
it was fucking outrageous. And this went on for months
and months, and it cost me way more than four
hundred dollars. Yeah, but I learned my lesson then. When
someone does a gift for you, just keep your mouth
shut and move forward. And I'm saying to you, you know,
go back to the community. You aren't, I believe, and
I'll say it. And I have gotten things. I mean,
people send me stuff about you all say hey, look
at it. Was out. He's a joke, he's this, he's that.
I don't agree with that. I think you have And
I'm gonna say this. I'll put it this way. I
don't know what your listeners will think of this. I
believe you have the potential to be an amazing asset
to our overall community and specifically the city itself. But
potential is one of the most deadly words in the
English language. And I say that that way because because
you'll be like, you may not reach it, you may
just give up on it, you may do something dumb. Again.
You just can't do that. You are you? You have, dude,
you could be such an asset. You're bright, you're well spoken,
you got the passion, You've got a fire in that belly.
I see it. You want to push back again. It
was wonderful. I love that you push back against me
here and said I don't agree with you, this is
old whatever. I don't have to we don't have to agree,
but I will say I'm a fan. Yeah, and I
think what you do is good. And I think you
think you got a little jet. I was going up
in prison, like you lifted some weight? Do you lift
some weight? Yeah? You know to look at these. Yeah,
I I was looking at I got a kid who
can can bench over three hundred pounds. So you ain't
there yet. Well, I'm not. I don't think I'm ever twenty.
How old are you?
Speaker 4: I'll be twenty four next month.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's twenty three. I'm not lifting, trust and believe,
but you look good.
Speaker 4: He's got to be tall.
Speaker 2: No, he's like five. He's not. I have one that's
six seven. Yeah, he's the middle guy. My youngest son
is fished. I'm not doing six ye. No, but I'm
not either of Jeffery. I never did two hundred was
the max. That's the max I ever did. But this kid, yeah,
he just put up. The other day. I sat on
the bench at the gym I go to. I accidentally
hit something on my phone because I was gonna put
it down next to me. It opens Instagram. The first
video that pops up is my son benching two hundred
and seventy five pounds, four sets of three. Yeah, okay,
and I and I just wrote I think I need
to go home because I but he's about your age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they they you know, there was a
lot of guys and you know I was in the
prison yard and you know, I was looking at all
these you know, cause I'm hanging around a lot of
people who are jacked up, you know, and I'm like,
I'm like one of the littlest ones there. So it's
like I just seen guys and it was like, I
gotta do something with myself. And plus, you know, people
kept trying me, you know, the people like, hey, you
got to you got a tough up a little bit,
you got toughen up. So you know, I'll starting hit
the yard, and you know, I was working on a
big dude, so they was like, Yo, if you don't
lift this weight up, we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Drop in on you.
Speaker 4: So like you really got to really push because they're
not babying you in this yard. These are a bunch
of grown men, so they're you know, they're I'm pushing.
I'm pushing. And every day they would come to myself like, yo,
let's go. They just called yard, let's go, let's go,
let's go. So, you know, just out there all summer
long and sometimes when even with snow and just getting
out there and just working out. So that was kind
of like my that was I was taking all my
anger and all my green on the wait.
Speaker 2: Great for your mental health, I think, I really do.
I hope you continue to do that. I hope that
you continue to do GSL News. I hope that you
stick to your ideals. I hope you consider something.
Speaker 4: GSO News is coming back February fourth. Yeah, so hopefully
you know the film crew. We're gonna film commercial. We're
coming back February fourth. It's going to be big. I'm
not going anywhere. There's time. I'm glad that everything is
behind me. Finally, I'm glad that everything is behind me
now where I can honestly just move forward and just
I just do.
Speaker 2: Mean, you did shit that nobody else can relate to
other than a few, right right, and and I would
think for you nothing should scare you anymore. But I hope,
if anything, you see the soul of humanity through all
that you've gone through, because I think in prison people
aren't very well treated. No, and I don't know, but
I hope that that gives you perspective when when a family.
I'm not saying the family, that's all I say. I'll
leave it there. I don't want to beat a dead horse,
and I don't want to upset you. No.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I understand what people are saying, you know,
when I do well, and I love listening to people's
opinions because sometimes when people have opinion, I do make change.
And so you know, there's a lot of change that
I has happened to my company, and there's a lot
of change that is coming, you know. But a lot
of my policies will not be changing. But the overall
like decision making and things that I do report on,
things I do show.
Speaker 2: Will change slightly. Let me say something to you that
I say to my sons that when people give you
advice and they tell you things like you know, I
wouldn't do that, they're not telling you to shit on
your dream. Although it feels that way, they're telling you
that out of their concern and love or personal experience,
doesn't mean it's your experience. Doesn't mean it's going to
go that way for you. You know, you can let it.
I would always say you have to follow your gut.
If your gut Jeffrey tells you something with your organization,
then go with it. It's your intuition. Doesn't mean everybody
else is right, you know, And and we don't have
to like basically give the middle finger to the established,
and so to speak, we can just give the I
hear you and go and do what I'm gonna do anyway. Yeah,
and I think that you you have again the greatest potential.
I could see you as a leader in the community,
elected leader who knows. I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think I wren't for politics, so you know, no.
Speaker 2: I get that, but I mean I understand, but I
still think that you're you're you got I ran from at.
Speaker 4: One point, I ran from mayor. You know, that was
kind of like just a test. Yeah, it ain't go
my way, but well you're young.
Speaker 2: You were young.
Speaker 4: So but now it's like, I'd rather be a voice
than you know, a political leader. You know, I'm not
going to be. I don't want to be a mayor
or anything like that, but you know, I'd rather be
a voice and and and just got other people and
show people, you know, ye, not the way impossible, all right.
Speaker 2: I had a heart out here, so I I gotta go.
And and my man he kept me late, but running late.
But for you, for for you, Jeffrey, I would do
that much love sincerely, and I and I think and.
Speaker 4: I think you for a reason because I you know,
I was going through some of my old voicemails, you know,
after that day happened when they arrested.
Speaker 2: Me a lot.
Speaker 4: You had a good voice, moil, So I appreciate you for,
you know, just reaching out.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't think bad things, and I would never
wish anybody bad. People can think what they wanted me.
What other people's opinion of you, remember this too is
none of your business. It's not.
Speaker 4: And you just got you know, So most times I
don't really be caring what people.
Speaker 2: Say is good and that's okay. But but I also
when I see someone that I know and going through
a tough time or something, I don't wish you ill.
I'm not cheering on, you know, I'm not cheering that on.
I'm not We may not agree on certain things, but
I'm not cheering that on all right. For Jeffrey Rogers
will probably I'm sure somebody he was videoing in here.
I don't know where it'll go or if it's already
up or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Uh and look and look at me up on everything
GSO News and GWS dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, and and and if you want to support go
there as well. You can all right. For Jeffrey Rogers, Hi,
Bill Moran, we'll see you.
Speaker 4: Next time.
Speaker 2: I woke up in the hotel, didn't know what to do.
I turn a TV on, rute a letter to you.
The news was talk didn't by the dad about
Speaker 4: The years day