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Speaker 4: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 4: time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. I'm
Speaker 4: your host is always George Hobbes as we record on
Speaker 4: this Wednesday evening, June eighteenth, twenty twenty five. I hope
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Speaker 4: That certainly doesn't leave us short of a conversation, that's
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Speaker 4: Two quick notes before we start our conversation with Reinhold
Speaker 4: this evening. First and foremost, please do stop by the website.
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Speaker 4: and I think that's all the house keeping we have
Speaker 4: for this evening. So at this point we're going to
Speaker 4: jump right into it and we're going to welcome Rhinhold
Speaker 4: to the audio cast.
Speaker 5: Reinhold, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thank you George.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, I said.
Speaker 4: Every time I say the word podcast, I think of
Speaker 4: our guest Wayne from I Guess about a month ago.
Speaker 4: But let's jump into it. Please take a moment and
Speaker 4: introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm Reinhold, and that's not my real name,
Speaker 1: but I am it is my name for this occasion
Speaker 1: and for other occasions including books that I've written and
Speaker 1: an email. So I am Reinhold, and I'm getting more
Speaker 1: used to that and so yeah, I'm from Canada, Les
Speaker 1: if you could tell by my accent, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: love this topic. So I'm thankful George inviting me.
Speaker 4: On, absolutely, and it's a pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 4: And as always, I guess you know, the first question is,
Speaker 4: you know, we send out the questionnaire and you said
Speaker 4: that you've been into biblical cosmology since twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 4: that seems to be I guess when I talk to
Speaker 4: people who were awake at that time, I think it
Speaker 4: was late twenty nineteen or twenty twenty when I woke
Speaker 4: up that that was kind of the spike there, and
Speaker 4: that was right about it, at the point where they
Speaker 4: really started to ramp up the censorship. So I guess
Speaker 4: my first question would be what was your kind of
Speaker 4: journey in your rabbit hole.
Speaker 5: To biblical cosmology? How did that work?
Speaker 3: Well, it.
Speaker 1: Probably goes way back. But as far as why I
Speaker 1: was susceptible, I suppose you could say to believing it.
Speaker 1: But my friend Wayne, who was on the show, told
Speaker 1: me on his balcon I remember it. I remember the
Speaker 1: day where he said the Earth is flat and the
Speaker 1: Bible says so, and I said, brother, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember what else I said. I'm pretty sure I said,
Speaker 1: brother in a sort of unbelieving sort of way. How
Speaker 1: can you say that, or what do you mean? I
Speaker 1: probably I was. I've been quite open to different ideas.
Speaker 1: I'm accustomed to believing things about the Bible that other
Speaker 1: people don't accept, such as I am charismatic, with having
Speaker 1: believing in speaking in tongues, healings, things like that that.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been one. Plus, I came to Christ
Speaker 1: at a later age, at the age of nineteen. I
Speaker 1: lived my life and done quite a bit of drugs
Speaker 1: for a couple of years before that, and had some
Speaker 1: experiences spiritual experiences where I believed in God, and then
Speaker 1: a friend told me about Jesus, and I believed in Jesus.
Speaker 1: So I know how radical it is to change beliefs.
Speaker 1: But I also know the same spirit that led me
Speaker 1: to Christ to change that belief, to radically change my
Speaker 1: mind her life by twenty seventeen. By twenty sixteen, I
Speaker 1: needed something in my life, and I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: get into all of it, but I had gotten to
Speaker 1: a point where I needed a touch from the Lord.
Speaker 1: I needed some change, I needed a revival. God sent
Speaker 1: several things, including a revival in evangelism that but it
Speaker 1: included also this was huge. This was huge. That Wayne
Speaker 1: told me that is the summer of twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 1: it took me about a calendar year of searching and
Speaker 1: watching videos and frankly just driving to work and looking
Speaker 1: at the horizon, reading the Bible, reading the Bible, looking
Speaker 1: at the horizon, reading the Bible, watching videos and looking again.
Speaker 1: And I remember coming to well, my friend believes it.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who believes this. I have a
Speaker 1: friend who believes this. It's kind of interesting. I have
Speaker 1: a friend believes this. It's really interesting. I want I
Speaker 1: kind of want to believe this actually myself, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking this to myself, and by this time I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say this to anyone else yet, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want this to be true. I don't. And then
Speaker 1: we're not spinning. I'm not spinning. The Bible says what
Speaker 1: it says, and we're not spinning. And I want this
Speaker 1: to be true because it agrees with my senses, agrees
Speaker 1: with my experience, it answers so many questions. And then
Speaker 1: I believe this is true. And from that point it
Speaker 1: was talking to Wayne, and that's come to scriptures. That's
Speaker 1: to find everyone, every single one that says anything about
Speaker 1: this topic. So we did. That was about two years
Speaker 1: I think us working on that, on the scriptures, which
Speaker 1: is part of the book. The list of scriptures was
Speaker 1: the main idea. The writing is supplemental to that, or
Speaker 1: that was the idea behind that. And so I still
Speaker 1: haven't told many people. I told people here and there.
Speaker 1: Of course I told Wayne right away, and there were
Speaker 1: other people that I told here and there, and eventually
Speaker 1: told pretty much almost everybody that meant anything to me,
Speaker 1: including my dad, including those who are hostile towards it,
Speaker 1: including even eventually my own kids, and which is many
Speaker 1: years later, and they're older now. And when I said
Speaker 1: that I started believing this twenty seventeen. It couldn't believe me,
Speaker 1: but it was it was a yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: it was a long process. So I have sympathy for
Speaker 1: the process. What I don't what I don't like to
Speaker 1: see is open hostility or complete indifference. But everyone's in
Speaker 1: their own journey, you know. And I told someone I
Speaker 1: think seven years ago, and he was curious but a
Speaker 1: bit incredulous as to he was the why does it
Speaker 1: matter guy, there's the why does it matter? Guy, and
Speaker 1: there's you know, we could personify all different responses, and
Speaker 1: he has come to the guy who asks me every
Speaker 1: few months, hey what about this? Hey what about that?
Speaker 1: Over seven years ago, he's gone from why does it
Speaker 1: matter at all? To what about this? What about that?
Speaker 1: And almost committing. So that's how it goes, and it's
Speaker 1: we didn't ask for this, note of us asked for this,
Speaker 1: but we're super glad at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no matter how hard the struggle, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: thankful that, you know, I've been given the grace to
Speaker 4: see these things, and I'm so glad you brought up
Speaker 4: trying to put a time limit on these things, whether
Speaker 4: it's you know, we call it spiritual formation, and you
Speaker 4: simply can't put a time limit on these things. Everybody's different,
Speaker 4: so the the evolving of subjects, it takes different amount
Speaker 4: of time for different people. I wanted to address your book,
Speaker 4: which is called A Level Plane, an Introduction to Biblical Cosmology,
Speaker 4: which you released about four years ago. I know we're
Speaker 4: starting a little backwards here, but I want to point
Speaker 4: out in your kind of shypnopsis, right the last sentence
Speaker 4: of your little shypnopsis says warning, what you read could
Speaker 4: cause you trouble and make your life harder, but the
Speaker 4: truth is worth it. And I think it's right that
Speaker 4: that is so true on so many levels.
Speaker 1: I forget does that occur at the beginning or in
Speaker 1: the I forget where that where that statement was made.
Speaker 5: That was the very end of your hypnopsis on the
Speaker 5: Amazon page.
Speaker 1: The very last, right, right, you know it's true, And
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel bad even telling people yeah, for that reason.
Speaker 1: And I was just talking to a brother though, just
Speaker 1: a few months ago, just a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: and when twenty twenty came around, and when, as they say,
Speaker 1: COVID hit, I should say, when the agenda flowered, flourished,
Speaker 1: when everything came to light, Well, as soon as that
Speaker 1: happened because of this, I was ready. And there were
Speaker 1: some brothers, some YouTubers and people Wayne's not going to
Speaker 1: like me saying YouTubers, some Internet personalities who had helped
Speaker 1: me see immediately like there was no delay when it
Speaker 1: came to COVID. I immediately knew basically from day one
Speaker 1: what it was because some had already said this was coming.
Speaker 1: And as soon as it had there was something wrong.
Speaker 1: There was something wrong right away. Maybe not day one,
Speaker 1: maybe day two. Maybe I'm exaggerating whatever, but the point is,
Speaker 1: at that point I knew that I had to get
Speaker 1: this knowledge out there. I sent a mass email and
Speaker 1: offering dialogue on this topic, which got some response. So
Speaker 1: those people all all saw that mass email. And I
Speaker 1: also had a meeting in which I told about five
Speaker 1: guys who were there at the meeting. One of those
Speaker 1: guys went off and next thing you know, his son
Speaker 1: is doing a presentation on this topic in class. Beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing, just in front of everybody. Beautiful. Now, I
Speaker 1: never even talked to this guy because we weren't very close.
Speaker 1: He was just there at the meeting until just this
Speaker 1: past year. This was like again five years ago. We
Speaker 1: went out for coffee and he's like, yeah, this changed
Speaker 1: my life completely. And I don't know that I I mean,
Speaker 1: he is, he's going in his own direction and I'm
Speaker 1: going in mind. But praise the Lord right that he
Speaker 1: had the courage to tell those who mattered to him.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many people he's told. It's
Speaker 1: a hard thing, but but I was. I was blessed.
Speaker 1: I was blessed by that. And maybe he's listening to this,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not going to mention any names,
Speaker 1: but that's it was a beautiful thing that that he
Speaker 1: did that, and that my simple Hey, this is what
Speaker 1: I found out. I didn't even say much, but he
Speaker 1: went on his own search, and maybe it's caused problems
Speaker 1: for him too, I don't know, probably not as many
Speaker 1: as most people. Whatever. We're all in a search and
Speaker 1: rather a journey. Well some aren't on a search, let's
Speaker 1: face it. But yeah, I'm not sure where I was going.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what I was going though exactly, but
Speaker 1: but yeah, twenty twenty was a confirmation of the so
Speaker 1: why would they kind of thing?
Speaker 5: Exactly right?
Speaker 1: Would they?
Speaker 4: Why why would they lie? And then that in twined
Speaker 4: why they also? How could so many people keep a secret?
Speaker 4: And then when you realize how compart mentalization really works,
Speaker 4: And you know, I worked with an entity as big
Speaker 4: as the US Army, I can tell you one side
Speaker 4: of the house had zero idea of what was going
Speaker 4: on with the other side of the house. But for now,
Speaker 4: while we're on COVID, I think this would be a
Speaker 4: good time to spend a few minutes on this because,
Speaker 4: as I'm sure you've heard, many of the guests we've
Speaker 4: had on this podcast mentioned that COVID actually played a
Speaker 4: lot of in their awakening, the overplaying of the cards.
Speaker 4: Whether we can even argue with that was intentional or not,
Speaker 4: but there was more than one agenda with that. Part
Speaker 4: of it is I think, I truly think Lucifer feeds
Speaker 4: off the fear, the humanity sphere, the depopulation agenda, and
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But you wanted to discuss
Speaker 4: the theology of conspiracy and the mindset is Christians, Yeah,
Speaker 4: please go ahead.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, Like, I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: into quote. It should be pretty obvious what my viewpoint is.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of thinking on that as well.
Speaker 1: But the thing is the biggest thing for me, and
Speaker 1: there's a whole chapter in our book there as well
Speaker 1: on this idea of conspiracy is something Christians are afraid
Speaker 1: of and don't want to talk about it and don't want
Speaker 1: me to knowledge. But it's something deeply embedded in the
Speaker 1: whole of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, that the world
Speaker 1: system run handed over to the serpent, handed over to
Speaker 1: say buy Adam, which every Christian acknowledges. Satan is the
Speaker 1: God littlegy of this world Christian. You see it in scripture.
Speaker 1: Now he was handed over. Adam handed over his authority.
Speaker 1: That is not widely understood in the Church. But when
Speaker 1: I the stream that I got saved and grew up
Speaker 1: in is widely acknowledged and taught on the concept of
Speaker 1: spiritual authority. That when Adam handed over the authority of
Speaker 1: this world, Satan became the god lilogy of this world,
Speaker 1: as Paul says, And it's Corinthians four and so way
Speaker 1: back in Genesis. And then we see the flowering of
Speaker 1: that in in the flood, and then and the Genesis six.
Speaker 1: Whatever people believe. Obviously the Nephilim, they were giants. Evil
Speaker 1: came in through them. That much can't very well be disputed.
Speaker 1: The Tower of Babel was was a giant conspiracy of
Speaker 1: evil which God put a stop to. And then and
Speaker 1: then you have the you know Psalmn two, which sets
Speaker 1: out the program. Right, the kings of the earth take
Speaker 1: their stand, The rulers come together against the Lord and
Speaker 1: against his annointed. There's intent there. This is on an accident.
Speaker 1: This isn't people generally wanting in their own minds, they
Speaker 1: want what's best. In their own minds. They think they're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. But the thing is they are
Speaker 1: coming together. They are against the Lord, and that much
Speaker 1: of intent can't be denied. And then, of course you
Speaker 1: come to the Crucifixion of Jesus, in which Pilot and
Speaker 1: the rulers and the gentiles were all gathered together. In
Speaker 1: Acts they preached the sermon that they were all gathered
Speaker 1: together against the Lord to do. And I love that
Speaker 1: whatever the Lord predetermined before to be done. It actually
Speaker 1: i'm quoting yeah here Acts four twenty seven. Indeed, Herod
Speaker 1: and Pontius Pilot met together with the Gentiles and the
Speaker 1: people of Israel in this to conspire, to conspire, to
Speaker 1: conspire only says it once. I'm just against early servant Jesus,
Speaker 1: whom you anointed Psalm to Psalm to quoted right before that.
Speaker 1: This is the fulfillment of Psalm to. Oh, they did
Speaker 1: what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing about the conspirators. They have no
Speaker 1: idea that they're inadvertently furthering God's purposes, which the devil
Speaker 1: can't win. Right, yep. Now, and then, of course the
Speaker 1: mark of the beast. I mean, how much more nu
Speaker 1: Christians need to acknowledge the conspiracy that is against the
Speaker 1: Lord and against his followers. They will hate you, They
Speaker 1: will hate you, they will hate you. How many more
Speaker 1: times does the Bible have to talk about this before
Speaker 1: Christians are willing to not be squeamish about it? And
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, how could they, how could they?
Speaker 1: How could they keep it all hidden? Well? I found
Speaker 1: a really cool thing. It's very simple. The guards of
Speaker 1: the tomb. Right, get this a little bit in the book. Well,
Speaker 1: two guards, two gatekeepers, right, Two guards were placed at
Speaker 1: the two Then what happened was Act Matthew twenty eight twelve.
Speaker 1: When the chief priest had met with the elders. They
Speaker 1: devised a plan. Oh okay, that sounds like they went
Speaker 1: into secret, devised a plan. They give the soldiers number
Speaker 1: one a large sum of money, telling them, you are
Speaker 1: to say, telling them what to say. Here's the money,
Speaker 1: here's what to say. How many politicians during COVID we
Speaker 1: saw again, just make a connection. They're reading a script.
Speaker 1: You are to say, his disciples came the night and
Speaker 1: stole while we were while we were asleep. If the
Speaker 1: support gets to the government. Number two, we will satisfy
Speaker 1: and keep you out of trouble. Number one, here's some money.
Speaker 1: Number two, you're not in trouble. So basically, a bribe
Speaker 1: and a threat. In other words, if you don't take this,
Speaker 1: you are in trouble. A bribe and a threat. That's
Speaker 1: all you need by two people. And then this report
Speaker 1: was widely circulated among the Jews. In other words, everyone
Speaker 1: believed it. You only needed two people, and you know,
Speaker 1: a group at the top, and the Bible clearly indicates
Speaker 1: there that the jew Jewish leaders were the group at
Speaker 1: the top. So that's all you need. Do we have
Speaker 1: a group at the top? Well, you'd be pretty naive
Speaker 1: not to think, so, what is the G seven that
Speaker 1: just happened? That's the group at the top.
Speaker 5: That's right, You.
Speaker 1: Think that, you think they're being pretty straightforward about everything.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, just.
Speaker 5: Can we be Yeah, I just had the Builderberg meeting too.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a side thought, Like sometimes I ask people,
Speaker 1: whatever happened to the anti globalist left? It disappeared off
Speaker 1: the face of the earth in twenty twenty because they
Speaker 1: realized that the corporations were on their side, and so
Speaker 1: they decided to support the corporations. But the thing is that,
Speaker 1: you know, the corporations will turn on them as well.
Speaker 1: But the point is, you know the days of you know,
Speaker 1: the leftists who said, who are against these corporate entities
Speaker 1: who did not have her best interests of mind? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were right, but they had a skewed worldview because
Speaker 1: they denied God. They got deceived and then they were
Speaker 1: offered money and they capitulated to the money. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't take much. It just takes money and threats and
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, and so and so this. Oh
Speaker 1: those astronauts they were Christians, were they? Well? They lie?
Speaker 1: They lie? Right? Well, what is the Bible say that
Speaker 1: every man that God be true in every man a liar?
Speaker 1: Every man is capable of lying. Absolutely, And they sure
Speaker 1: justified to themselves. I'm doing it for a good reason,
Speaker 1: doing it for whatever they say to themselves. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they sleep at night, but they
Speaker 1: do absolutely, some of them not much, but you can tell.
Speaker 1: But and so that's that's the part. That's chapter two
Speaker 1: of the book. Chapter one is you know, does truth matter?
Speaker 1: I think we're we're on the same page there. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I but I do want to get into some
Speaker 1: of those other things in the scripture on again, why
Speaker 1: is this important and it's more than the shape of
Speaker 1: the earth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just the tip of the iceberg, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to touch on before we moved on to that. It
Speaker 4: is truly amazing if you look back to the liberals
Speaker 4: of the sixties and seventies, how they were anti corporation,
Speaker 4: they were anti war, some.
Speaker 5: Stances I still hold on to.
Speaker 4: But the average liberal today, you look at Jimmy Dore
Speaker 4: and people like him are just like, what is happening
Speaker 4: right that they are very much into this Marxist agenda.
Speaker 4: I said on my other podcast last night, I took
Speaker 4: my daughter to the little Comic con in Dover, Delaware
Speaker 4: on Saturday, and they had the No King March right
Speaker 4: five hundred feet from us, and they all marched past
Speaker 4: and yell did us.
Speaker 5: They were all in there. I would say ninety percent
Speaker 5: of them. We're in their.
Speaker 4: Sixties early seventies. Just you know, it's just so weird
Speaker 4: to see that shift. Even the punk rock groups like
Speaker 4: Green Day and how they have in the nineties and
Speaker 4: the you know eighties and nineties they were anti corporation,
Speaker 4: and now they'll say anything or back anything for a check.
Speaker 5: It's just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no it's true.
Speaker 6: But yeah, back to the the idea is that, yeah,
Speaker 6: once we get out of the way the squeamishness about
Speaker 6: conspiracy and we actually look in the.
Speaker 1: Bible, then we have to tend with the all metaphor people,
Speaker 1: because the Scripture says what it says, right, and so
Speaker 1: there are Yeah, there's so many, so many angles to
Speaker 1: look at in terms of how do we how do
Speaker 1: we coming how do we bring truth into the situation right?
Speaker 1: One thing that's really stood out to me initially and
Speaker 1: continues to do so, which is chapter three the book
Speaker 1: as God's position and Heaven's actual location. We sing all
Speaker 1: these songs even in church about God being above, and
Speaker 1: yet I remember, I remember the idea that I remember thinking, well, okay,
Speaker 1: God is above, like love poured down on us, pour
Speaker 1: down on us. I remember being annoyed at those lyrics
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, it's not coming down. God isn't
Speaker 1: up there. So and yet we think of him as
Speaker 1: up there, quote unquote, think of him as up there
Speaker 1: because that's what the Bible says. Well, that's what we're
Speaker 1: meant to think. So, as I said in the book,
Speaker 1: the question of dealing is where is God? Many Christians
Speaker 1: idea of God's location is fuzzy and vague. What might
Speaker 1: be called a quote dimensional view.
Speaker 5: Yes, we hear that a lot.
Speaker 1: We hear that a lot, the acknowledgment of heaven as
Speaker 1: a real place. But in quote another dimension that some
Speaker 1: more parallels this one, that could influence it too. Angels
Speaker 1: come in and out of portals. It's the spirit world.
Speaker 1: And so you have many appeal to fictional stories such
Speaker 1: as Chronicles of Narnia, which is great. I love the Chroniclescenaria.
Speaker 1: But you can't quit with bablical truth or two theories
Speaker 1: of quantum physics, which which I don't think is real
Speaker 1: or true. We need to look at a scriptural investigation
Speaker 1: where is heaven? So I've got example Joshua two eleven.
Speaker 1: He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath,
Speaker 1: and in earth beneath. Notice heaven above, heaven is above us.
Speaker 1: Scription number two is not God high in the heavens?
Speaker 1: See the highest stars, how lofty they are? Job twenty
Speaker 1: two twelve. And then Psalm thirty three thirteen. The Lord
Speaker 1: looks down from heaven, he sees all the children of men.
Speaker 1: That is just a smattering of dozens and dozens and
Speaker 1: dozens of scriptures showing or implying that God is above,
Speaker 1: including very importantly, and I would say most critically, in
Speaker 1: the life, death, resurrection, ascension of Jesus Christ, therefore making
Speaker 1: it very borderline salvational. If not salvational, then at the
Speaker 1: very least christological, to use the theological term. It is christological,
Speaker 1: it is new menthology. Where does the spirit come from?
Speaker 1: Where did Jesus go? Right? You have to answer that question.
Speaker 1: He didn't deceive us into thinking he was going up
Speaker 1: in the ascension, and so what happened?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Well, he went up in the clouds and they went
Speaker 1: through a portal, a portal in the clouds. Where is
Speaker 1: that in the scripture? Or unless he went through space,
Speaker 1: But that's impossible for a man in according to the
Speaker 1: concept of space. Well, he's God, he can do anything.
Speaker 1: Then you have the weekend. He can do anything. People,
Speaker 1: God can do anything. Well, actually there are things that
Speaker 1: God can't do. In fact, he can't lie. And God
Speaker 1: said what he said in scripture and he didn't lie,
Speaker 1: so he can't. Sorry, he can't do that. It says
Speaker 1: Jesus passed through the heavens Hebrews four fourteen. So if
Speaker 1: you think the heavens is space, then he must pass
Speaker 1: through space. Except they run with the problem where does
Speaker 1: space end? Then? So he had to go through portal sometime?
Speaker 1: And where does it say that? So you run into
Speaker 1: all sorts of problems trying to make the ball ere fit.
Speaker 1: It's not just a matter of the shape of the earth.
Speaker 1: That's the least of their problems. The boast of their
Speaker 1: problem is what do you do with Jesus? Where's he?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Says he's in heaven? Where is heaven? See Jesus in
Speaker 1: a physical body. He didn't become something. He received a body.
Speaker 1: Now some people say, well it wasn't physical. Okay, well
Speaker 1: now we're just playing with words. Because she's to touch me.
Speaker 1: The spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you
Speaker 1: see I have. And he kept that body when he
Speaker 1: went up. Now he apparently in a revelation, his appearance
Speaker 1: is altered because now he has white hair, but he
Speaker 1: still is in a body, and he's coming back in
Speaker 1: a body. So where is that body? It's kind of
Speaker 1: like him at the tube disappearing right. Where is the
Speaker 1: body of Jesus. Well, to us, the scripture is clear.
Speaker 1: People even conflate Jesus in the spirit, and so it's
Speaker 1: a theological problem. They say, Christ, you know Jesus is
Speaker 1: in my heart. Well, yes, if you understand that Jesus
Speaker 1: shares a full, fully shares divine nature with the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1: That the Spirit is in my heart, that he sent
Speaker 1: the Spirit from heaven, that he actually is in heaven,
Speaker 1: that we're seated in heavily places with him, is a
Speaker 1: great mystery. But if you understand it spiritually, then it's
Speaker 1: no problem because we believe, because we believe by faith,
Speaker 1: that this is the case. And then you can say, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll take it as if you want Jesus in me
Speaker 1: in that sense, but only in that sense, because his
Speaker 1: physical body certainly isn't in mind, and he sent the
Speaker 1: Spirit separate or distinct from himself, three distinct persons. If
Speaker 1: you're trinitarian, if you're not, well, that's almost separate discussion.
Speaker 1: But I believe that there's a profound truth to be
Speaker 1: had in knowing these things. So the ascension is critical.
Speaker 1: The pouring out down of the Holy Spirit came down,
Speaker 1: so all of these things become super critical and have
Speaker 1: These are the things that have blessed me in my
Speaker 1: life the most.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've made so many great points, and I think
Speaker 4: this is a great time to mention hermeneutics that you know,
Speaker 4: you're talking about core interpretations of the Bible and not
Speaker 4: loose interpretations of the Bible. Now when it's convenient for
Speaker 4: the person, right when it I guess when it challenges
Speaker 4: their beliefs, such as everything we're talking about tonight, that
Speaker 4: they will say, well, that's figurative not literal. Well, you
Speaker 4: better go back and retake that hermaeutics class, because Joshua
Speaker 4: to eleven, the Lord your God has got in heaven
Speaker 4: above and earth below. If it wasn't important, he wouldn't
Speaker 4: have included the words above and below. Every word is
Speaker 4: put in the Bible for a reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's no hint of metaphor in these scriptures,
Speaker 1: not at all. For example, in my discussion of that
Speaker 1: job verse that the metaphorical language or phenomenological They love
Speaker 1: to use that word phenomenological language. It means the way
Speaker 1: it appears to us. Well, yeah, the way it appears
Speaker 1: to us is the way it actually is. Because this
Speaker 1: is a chapter. I would actually like to add a book,
Speaker 1: but I haven't. Is actually it's amazing that we would
Speaker 1: have to do this, But we've gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where you have to write. I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to write up a doctrine on the reliability of the
Speaker 1: physical senses. Christians are not taking leave of our senses.
Speaker 1: They're perfectly reliable. What I see is what's there. Let's
Speaker 1: cut to the point here. If you're seeing things that
Speaker 1: aren't there, which I did, and my friend was on acid,
Speaker 1: he put his head through a wall because we watched
Speaker 1: Pink Floyd's the Wall and he saw things that weren't there.
Speaker 1: We had to take him to the hospital. So if
Speaker 1: your five senses aren't reliable either you have a physical impairment.
Speaker 1: In other words, maybe you're blind and can't see, maybe
Speaker 1: you're deaf and can't hear. Jesus heals those things, but
Speaker 1: that impairs the physical senses. Or all your physical senses
Speaker 1: are okay and you're seeing things that literally aren't there,
Speaker 1: that is a delusion. Well God will send them strong delusion.
Speaker 1: But you're delusional. If your five senses work fine, but
Speaker 1: that they aren't reliable. And so somebody will say, well,
Speaker 1: what about the spiritual? Well, yeah, God can show us
Speaker 1: things in the spirit that are there, but he's not
Speaker 1: going to contradict the physical senses that are there. It
Speaker 1: will supersede or take precedence, and it will always agree
Speaker 1: with scripture. Whatever he shows us in the spirit, what
Speaker 1: has to agree scripture. We've known that in the charismatic
Speaker 1: section of the church. That is any solid teaching is
Speaker 1: that if you think you have a vision and it
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with proper interpretationious scripture, I'm sorry you didn't
Speaker 1: have that vision. You didn't. So the spirit and the
Speaker 1: Word are in full agreement. In our physical senses are
Speaker 1: there to help us. Why did Jesuit God say in
Speaker 1: the scripture, out of the mouth two or three witnesses,
Speaker 1: let every word be established. Why did the resurrection of
Speaker 1: Christ require witnesses to see him physically? Why did Jesus say,
Speaker 1: touch me if the sense of touch was unreliable, But
Speaker 1: why did he show them that he was going up
Speaker 1: in the clouds If what they saw was not what
Speaker 1: it was, if what they saw was not accurate. He
Speaker 1: wanted to show them beyond any doubt that what their
Speaker 1: eyes saw. Well, first John, I mean what our eyes
Speaker 1: have seen. He starts his epistle this way, right, it
Speaker 1: agrees with reality, and we see that we're not spinning.
Speaker 1: Nobody can nobody can verify spinning. And we're not to
Speaker 1: take leave of our senses, not for the sake of
Speaker 1: the world, not for the sake of becoming you know,
Speaker 1: acceptable to men. First John, that which was from the beginning,
Speaker 1: which we've heard, which we have seen with their eyes,
Speaker 1: which we have looked on, and our hands have touched
Speaker 1: the three senses right there, and they're all reliable proclaim
Speaker 1: concerning the word of life, that life appeared. We've seen it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the earth spinning? No? The scripture say
Speaker 1: it is no. So what's the deal. Well, you know
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. That people have been lied to
Speaker 1: and back to the patient's thing. But we just got
Speaker 1: to keep hammering away at this.
Speaker 4: You've made some excellent points and some verses that have
Speaker 4: not been mentioned on this podcast before. And again you
Speaker 4: want to talk about conspiracy. I mean, you think about
Speaker 4: the power of little g we'll call them little g
Speaker 4: right to make you, not to make you, to deceive
Speaker 4: you into believing that we're on a spinning ball, that
Speaker 4: it's spinning one thousand miles per hour, hurtling through space
Speaker 4: at whatever sixty seven thousand miles per hour, and we're
Speaker 4: on a tilt to axis and all this other stuff,
Speaker 4: but we don't trust our own senses. And again, I'll
Speaker 4: tell people, if you grew up in an island, remote island,
Speaker 4: by yourself for twenty years, and somebody just rolled up
Speaker 4: on a boat and asked you if you thought we
Speaker 4: were on a spinning ball or a level plane, you're
Speaker 4: going to say a level plane. It's just that that's
Speaker 4: how deep this psychological operation goes. And then you know,
Speaker 4: it goes full circle to why the lie. I've gotten
Speaker 4: hundreds of emails that. And again I got an email
Speaker 4: today from a listener and she sent just an incredible
Speaker 4: email detailing her journey and she said this may not
Speaker 4: be a salvation issue for people who are already saved,
Speaker 4: but she said, for me, it literally brought me to Christ.
Speaker 4: So how is it not a salvation issue? The truth
Speaker 4: shall set you free, and this is truth, and this
Speaker 4: is something that we have to search for the truth,
Speaker 4: no matter how trivial. And again, if you if you
Speaker 4: try to have this conversation with somebody at ill sixteen
Speaker 4: at Walmart, They're going to think you're a lunatic. But
Speaker 4: I've gotten hundreds of emails over the last two and
Speaker 4: a half years with their stories of how the truth
Speaker 4: has helped them realize that there is a creator which
Speaker 4: will eventually led them to Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: Really, And.
Speaker 1: Boy, I've heard those testimonies where I've read Dean Odle's
Speaker 1: book and the testimonies in there, and there's there's a
Speaker 1: brother who's steadfast in sharing this truth, even even just
Speaker 1: last week, in great opposition, you know. But and that
Speaker 1: is what it takes. And so the thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: back to the idea of metaphor, Well, look, I know
Speaker 1: what metaphor is. We all know what metaphor is. But
Speaker 1: the Bible does not talk about God being above as
Speaker 1: a metaphor. You know. He says Job says in the
Speaker 1: Book of Job Job twenty two twelve, he says, is
Speaker 1: not God high in the heavens? Well see the highest stars.
Speaker 1: So he's comparing God to the height of the stars. Well,
Speaker 1: there's an analogy there, but it relies on the fact
Speaker 1: that the stars are up there, God is up there.
Speaker 1: It's a rhetorical question. That's the only literary device in there.
Speaker 1: I know my literary devices. Let teach English. I know
Speaker 1: literary device. So so we can't. You can't pull the
Speaker 1: metaphorical wool over someone's eyes because it's not metaphorical. That
Speaker 1: would be confusing. The rhetorical language is not got high
Speaker 1: in the heavens. Well, if he wasn't, if it was
Speaker 1: all metaphorical, that would be confusing. And so the Bible
Speaker 1: doesn't seek to confuse. The Bible doesn't see the Bible
Speaker 1: is simple. You know, there's that scripture. The devil has
Speaker 1: deceived us from the simplicity of the Gospel. And that's
Speaker 1: another thing that I love. Later on we talked about
Speaker 1: jesus ascension. I just want to read a couple of
Speaker 1: things there. So Acts one nine to eleven. He was
Speaker 1: taken up but before their very eyes, and a cloud
Speaker 1: hit him from their sight, so he's hidden from their sight.
Speaker 1: But then this same Jesus, who has been taken up
Speaker 1: from you, up from you, up into heaven, will come
Speaker 1: back in the same way you have seen him go
Speaker 1: into heaven. So the second coming is at stake. This
Speaker 1: is why Christians, I believe, are uncomfortable with revelation, uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with the Second Coming, because where is he coming back from?
Speaker 1: Why through the clouds? Why in the air?
Speaker 4: And brother, if I could interject for one second, I
Speaker 4: just want to add this now. I truly believe this
Speaker 4: is one of the reasons they started the science fiction
Speaker 4: movie push in the nineteen fifties. Going back to what
Speaker 4: you said about twenty minutes ago with dimensions.
Speaker 1: The dimensions, Yeah, again, why go up? If heaven is
Speaker 1: just a dimension? Why would God deceive us over and
Speaker 1: over again by referring to Heaven as above if it's
Speaker 1: not above? And if the human authors were you know,
Speaker 1: quote mistaken due to primitive scientific knowledge, that's another one.
Speaker 1: That's another sacred cow that we need slaughter. How can
Speaker 1: we accept the word of God as truth in every way?
Speaker 1: So what's they're mistaken due to their primitive scientific knowledge?
Speaker 1: Then what about the rest of Genesis one? What about
Speaker 1: what about all the creationists? Well they're the creation you know,
Speaker 1: the mainstream creation movement, very hostile to this truth, even
Speaker 1: though we agree completely on every other point. And so
Speaker 1: it's it's just very interesting. I quoted a certain brother
Speaker 1: who wrote a book and he actually wrote about called
Speaker 1: where is Jesus Now? But he gets wrong, and he
Speaker 1: says this. He tries, he tries his best, so he's like,
Speaker 1: he says this that. So he says, when people used
Speaker 1: to believe he admits that. He says, when people used
Speaker 1: to believe that the earth was flat, they had an
Speaker 1: easier time with the ascension. He says, quote, it must
Speaker 1: have been easier to believe in the ascension when people
Speaker 1: thought the earth was flat, Heaven was up above and
Speaker 1: Hell was down below. Anyone going from Earth to Heaven
Speaker 1: would go straight into the sky. Jeshi says that. But
Speaker 1: then this is where Jesus now. Such questions may not
Speaker 1: trouble simple Christians who don't think much about their faith.
Speaker 1: But this attitude is inadequate when coming to the Gospel,
Speaker 1: commending the Gospel to others in this modern age. But
Speaker 1: then he ends with phenomenal length, which how things appear
Speaker 1: on earth not intended to be scientific. They keep saying
Speaker 1: the Bible isn't a scientific textbook, blah blah blah. Right,
Speaker 1: What they fail to notice, it's very short sighted, is
Speaker 1: they love their paradigm of they love their language, they
Speaker 1: love their talking points of the Bible isn't a scientific textbook.
Speaker 1: But where does that end logically? What you get to
Speaker 1: choose what to keep and what to throw out. You
Speaker 1: get to cherry pick what to believe literally and what
Speaker 1: not to based on what literary analysis. No, because that's
Speaker 1: not sound in their point of view. They're not doing
Speaker 1: sound literary analysis. They're not doing sound ex Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the raki of the firmament in Genesis what six it means?
Speaker 1: What it means. But no, that's primitive that they didn't
Speaker 1: have scientific knowledge. So they throw ex Jesus out the window. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's through literary analysis out the window, and they cherry
Speaker 1: pick what they want. But again, you have to have
Speaker 1: patience with the people themselves.
Speaker 5: Because we were all there at one time.
Speaker 1: That's what they're taught, even in the church, especially.
Speaker 4: In and what you just mentioned. Imagine being so pompous
Speaker 4: is to believe that today that you're actually smarter than
Speaker 4: a person who received the divine word from God. Like
Speaker 4: that's what we're if you really break it down right
Speaker 4: to its finest atom. When you talk like that, when
Speaker 4: people just eschew Bible verses that you're literally saying that
Speaker 4: I have more wisdom than the person who received the
Speaker 4: divine word of God.
Speaker 1: That's literally what they're saying. Yeah, and it's true. Again,
Speaker 1: we don't want to paint people into corner.
Speaker 5: Correct. You have to be careful how you learn it.
Speaker 1: I've been there, I've done that. It doesn't work either
Speaker 1: with the Gospel or with any truth that we can't
Speaker 1: even though it's true. And it's okay when we're fellowshipping
Speaker 1: here with other believers, we believe the same thing. To
Speaker 1: be amazed at the levels of deception. But when talking
Speaker 1: to others, But then again, when you encounter the hostility,
Speaker 1: there's not much you can do. You can just say
Speaker 1: I love you, brother, but we'll have to agree, disagree,
Speaker 1: let me know when you have any questions. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just there's no easy answer what to do when
Speaker 1: people come with those things. But we have to be
Speaker 1: patient and say, look, do you see any metaphor here?
Speaker 1: Or But they even get triggered, like even one person,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look a look at the water, look at
Speaker 1: the sky, and they got triggered by that the water
Speaker 1: is level. We haven't detected spinning and the water is level.
Speaker 1: Water is what do you build a house with? You
Speaker 1: got a level, it got little little water in there, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know anything about building, but I
Speaker 1: know that right. So again the earth has foundations. Well,
Speaker 1: it's metaphorical, metaphoricum metholk. Wait a minute, there's no detection
Speaker 1: of metaphor in the passage that we're talking about. We
Speaker 1: have to go to the context. And if the earth
Speaker 1: actually has foundations, the pillars of the Lord h So
Speaker 1: it says this one's ripture talking about well found it
Speaker 1: just means started. Okay, founded, me started because of the foundation.
Speaker 1: Originally two meanings are related. But say Isaiah forty eight thirteen,
Speaker 1: mine hand, also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
Speaker 1: and my right hand hath spanned the heavens. Okay, sounds
Speaker 1: like okay, his hand. So a little bit of anthropological
Speaker 1: language is hand. But that's common in Scriptured. We accept
Speaker 1: that God has a hand because actually he has more
Speaker 1: of a hand than we do. We're made in his image,
Speaker 1: So it's not metaphorical exactly. Then hath laid the foundation,
Speaker 1: laid the foundation, so he's talking about the physical earth,
Speaker 1: of physical heavens or the actual heavens if you will.
Speaker 1: The firmament founding the school is not the same laying
Speaker 1: the foundation for the school building. The Hebrew word for
Speaker 1: lay the foundation is the verbiya sad and and so
Speaker 1: you know Hebrew thought means it can mean the same thing,
Speaker 1: physical or spiritual, and so the foundation. But the point
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to get to is, hey, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about the physical earth, which he was, But if
Speaker 1: a spinning ball doesn't have a foundation, you can't say
Speaker 1: that it does. There is nothing there, right, And then
Speaker 1: you've got pillars, and he's set the earth the world
Speaker 1: upon them for Samuel two eight and so and so
Speaker 1: it goes that these details are simply ignored, but it
Speaker 1: was a revelation to see them. So what are the pillars?
Speaker 1: Well they will say, oh, it's just metaphors, just metaphors,
Speaker 1: just metaphor, But they can't explain the literary and exegetical
Speaker 1: reason why it has to be metaphor, right, it just
Speaker 1: has quote has to be because the model that were
Speaker 1: given by the ungodly has to hold up in the church. Well,
Speaker 1: why why does the church have to prop this thing up?
Speaker 1: Because they're afraid that the church will lose its credibility
Speaker 1: with the world. They actually use the word witness. They
Speaker 1: say it's a bad witness to the world because you
Speaker 1: lost your credibility. You look, you look stupid to the world.
Speaker 1: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world
Speaker 1: to confound the wise. The Bible never promised that Christians
Speaker 1: would be credible to the world.
Speaker 5: We're told that we're going to be persecuted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they lost by our love, but it
Speaker 1: will love them. But but they're not going to agree
Speaker 1: with us. Don't you know that the world laughs at
Speaker 1: you for not believing evolution. Don't you know the world
Speaker 1: laughs at you for believing the literal flood. Don't you
Speaker 1: know the world is confused and doesn't understand the resurrection
Speaker 1: of Christ, and and and hates Christian worlds and agrees
Speaker 1: with abortion with these same people. Look, we've already we've
Speaker 1: already lost credibility in that sense with the world. All
Speaker 1: we've got left is love. That's what the world actually
Speaker 1: people want to see is us loving each other and
Speaker 1: and and sharing the Gospel with them, you know. And
Speaker 1: and many people in the world would be like, thank
Speaker 1: you for telling me the truth about the earth. Never
Speaker 1: heard that before you know, they're not going to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I listened to you until now. I don't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with that stuff. I haven't had a lot
Speaker 1: of that. There will be intrigued, but we know you
Speaker 1: have to be judicious, of course in sharing this truth.
Speaker 4: You do, but the truth is the truth, and everything
Speaker 4: else may fall by the wayside. And I mentioned in
Speaker 4: an interview this morning that if you're too comfortable in life,
Speaker 4: maybe you're not spreading the truth enough, right, because we
Speaker 4: are told and not just when it comes to sharing
Speaker 4: the gospel. God tells us straight up front. You know
Speaker 4: we're charged to share the gospel and you will be persecuted.
Speaker 4: But all truth goes along with that, just like every
Speaker 4: example that you just gave, right, I've been in churches
Speaker 4: before that support the Big Bang theory and just just
Speaker 4: write it off as that's just like you mentioned earlier God,
Speaker 4: if God's all encompassing and he.
Speaker 5: He just did it that way.
Speaker 4: And again that gets into man, if you really are
Speaker 4: dictating the Bible how you want to believe in a
Speaker 4: secular way, Matt, you've lost the battle. Words are important,
Speaker 4: Every word is important, and that's why. And again I'm
Speaker 4: not telling anybody else what to do. That's why I've
Speaker 4: stuck with the King James vis the King James Bible,
Speaker 4: because just from translating from Hebrew to Hebrew and Greek
Speaker 4: to English, I can guarantee you what's already lost some meanings,
Speaker 4: but still it is still God's divine wisdom and where
Speaker 4: to adhere to it. And we've been given enough warnings
Speaker 4: in there. We can't pick and choose. And that's why, Hinald,
Speaker 4: that's such a big reason why so many people are
Speaker 4: leaving organized churches, because they've gone by the wayside and have.
Speaker 5: Just started deciding, you know.
Speaker 4: What people think, they're teaching what people think, and secular
Speaker 4: things have infiltrated the church, and that's not what salvation
Speaker 4: is about.
Speaker 5: It just isn't.
Speaker 4: And all of these words, for instance, let me before
Speaker 4: we get too far, you mentioned job I think it
Speaker 4: was Job twenty two. You mentioned verse twelve, But if
Speaker 4: you actually read eleven to thirteen, listen or darkness that
Speaker 4: thou can't see, and abundance of waters cover thee is
Speaker 4: not guide in the height of heaven, and behold the
Speaker 4: height of the stars.
Speaker 5: How high they are?
Speaker 4: And thou sayest, how does God know he can judge
Speaker 4: through the dark clouds. So again, all of these things,
Speaker 4: whether it's we're on foundation, the will doesn't move Joshua
Speaker 4: ten thirteen. But again, if you're the one that brings
Speaker 4: us up, you're the delusional one, and that is the
Speaker 4: battle we're up against. However, if you want to talk
Speaker 4: about hope, I remember when I first started this podcast
Speaker 4: two and a half years ago, and then fast forward
Speaker 4: two and a half years to today, I can tell
Speaker 4: you that at least the topic of having a conversation
Speaker 4: about flat Earth is a little bit easier as it
Speaker 4: was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: So we are making progress.
Speaker 4: Like I think I mentioned to you before we hit
Speaker 4: the record button, just by talking about it, trying to
Speaker 4: make it a normal topic of conversation is making headway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, I really believe so. And that that's
Speaker 1: you got to play the long game. The devil took years, decades, centuries.
Speaker 5: They played a long game.
Speaker 1: So do we have the devil plays the long game
Speaker 1: and he's pretty good at it, and he's done it.
Speaker 1: He's you got to give him credit. You've got to
Speaker 1: give your enemy some credit. Is that he built this
Speaker 1: thing up and line upon line and he got things
Speaker 1: in place, and when and when the truth came to
Speaker 1: close for him, he doubled down and brought Nassa and
Speaker 1: pulled off the deception of the century with the moon landing,
Speaker 1: and it just got people's imagination with that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny like every it seems like every Christian movie
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a side note, has to
Speaker 1: have something about the moon landing or or about about
Speaker 1: this topic in it, even even that one about the
Speaker 1: Jesus Movement of the seventies. Great movie, you know, just
Speaker 1: a great, really encouraging, well told story everything. But then
Speaker 1: you know, there's this part where they're all watching the
Speaker 1: moon landing on TV and they make it spiritual and
Speaker 1: they conflate it with the revival that's happening, and I'm amazed. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is obviously a side topic. But my
Speaker 1: friend Wayne shared about his unfortunately departed but saved dad,
Speaker 1: you know, telling him or questioning the moon ending and
Speaker 1: that making an impression on him. I never I never
Speaker 1: had anything like that, but I guess I was prone
Speaker 1: to maybe question things. I don't know why, I don't
Speaker 1: know how it just happened, and but I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is that the devil playing the long game. Well,
Speaker 1: he's still doing so, but I also believe the Lord
Speaker 1: has allowed this to be revealed, and the Lord the
Speaker 1: devil can't do more than it's on a worldwide scale.
Speaker 1: Note I don't say global anymore unless I'm talking about
Speaker 1: some talk about globalists, which it perfectly applies, because the
Speaker 1: globalist are global. They believe in the globe, right, I
Speaker 1: say worldwide instead, So this applies on the worldwide scale.
Speaker 1: That and so the devil has to can't do more
Speaker 1: on the worldwide scale, then God strictly gives him permission
Speaker 1: to do. I believe that that's inferred in scripture and
Speaker 1: from other passages, that the time has come for this
Speaker 1: truth to be revealed. And so the devil's doing whatever
Speaker 1: he can. And Christians, high profile Christians, I believe, you know,
Speaker 1: it just makes sense that they would be made an offer,
Speaker 1: you know, as it were, an offer they can't refuse.
Speaker 1: And whatever it is, whether it's money, whether it's threats,
Speaker 1: threats to expose maybe some high profile leaders, as we
Speaker 1: know Christian leaders are living in sin and don't want
Speaker 1: to be exposed. Whatever dirt the devil has on these
Speaker 1: people or or it's just plain old deception, right, but
Speaker 1: well meaning, well meaning and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: But we have a beautiful truth. And the truth, as
Speaker 1: you said, does make us free. And it's the world
Speaker 1: is dark, but God is going to make a way
Speaker 1: for us in it. And and just one step at
Speaker 1: a time.
Speaker 4: Here, right, Yeah, And that blackmail basically what you meant that,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what they do with politicians as well.
Speaker 4: That's I do believe that a majority of the politicians
Speaker 4: go in meaning to change the world. But I think
Speaker 4: the devil and those that work for him, they're able
Speaker 4: to find that individual sweet tooth and they're able to
Speaker 4: corrupt them and get them to unfortunately not look out
Speaker 4: for the people who vote for them. When you talked
Speaker 4: about the long Game, I recalled Edward Burnees. And if
Speaker 4: you go back through history and again, this is the
Speaker 4: guy whose great nephew runs Netflix. Whether it was the
Speaker 4: Torches a Freedom, you know, getting women's smokers, he did
Speaker 4: the same thing for Lucky Strike. But he was also
Speaker 4: a big part of the fluoridation campaign in the United States,
Speaker 4: convincing Americans that it was safe to drink fluoride, which
Speaker 4: is again toxic waste from aluminum and as well as
Speaker 4: pushing the propaganda a pro war propaganda. Now again, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to sit here and pretend what I know
Speaker 4: what was in Edward Brene's heart. From everything I've read,
Speaker 4: he was not. He was Jewish, but he didn't practice Judaism,
Speaker 4: according to everything I've read, and I'm not here to
Speaker 4: tell you. Only God knows where he is right now. However,
Speaker 4: you see people like this throughout history who carry out
Speaker 4: these tools of deceit under the guise of good. And
Speaker 4: that's what I tell people all the time when we
Speaker 4: have this type of conversation. Evil doesn't come as I'm evil, right,
Speaker 4: like the devil on Saturday Night Live with the pencil
Speaker 4: thin mustache and the trident and the long tail. The
Speaker 4: Bible says that he was beautiful, right, and that's.
Speaker 5: What he does. He deceives and he perverts, and.
Speaker 4: The long game is what they play now. Granted, when
Speaker 4: we say playing the long game on our side, nobody
Speaker 4: knows if we're guaranteed tomorrow. I heard a great sermon
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. There's one thousand, four hundred
Speaker 4: and forty seconds in every day. What are you doing
Speaker 4: with each of them? Right, what are you doing to
Speaker 4: change your life? What are you doing to change people's lives?
Speaker 4: What are you doing to leave the earth, this biblical
Speaker 4: flat earth in better shape than you received it? And
Speaker 4: it was very sobering to the fact that even though
Speaker 4: we feel like we may be doing what we can
Speaker 4: as far as worshiping the Lord and sharing the Gospel
Speaker 4: and other truths that may lead to it, but even
Speaker 4: in that case, are we doing enough like you? Because
Speaker 4: it is I think what some people don't get. Maybe
Speaker 4: I'm seeing it wrong. Being a follower of a Christ
Speaker 4: is many things, but it is also a responsibility. We're
Speaker 4: told to be fishers of men, not just to put
Speaker 4: our feet up and say I've secured heaven.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we have to take more ground. And you know,
Speaker 1: we have a lot in common with We have everything
Speaker 1: in common with every believer, a true believer, right, Trusting
Speaker 1: in Jesus is more important than whatever people believe about
Speaker 1: the shape of the earth. But the false dichotomy is
Speaker 1: just that it's false, and so either or well, Okay,
Speaker 1: being saved is the most critical issue, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean we stop there, because everything is Salvation is a
Speaker 1: process and The second Thessonian says is that the love
Speaker 1: of the truth will save us, because there are those
Speaker 1: in the end who don't receive this love of the
Speaker 1: truth and they aren't saved, and so we have to
Speaker 1: we have to consider that same time, trying to, like
Speaker 1: you said, normalize this in the church, trying to make
Speaker 1: a way for things to be easier for the next
Speaker 1: generation to have these conversations and to open the way
Speaker 1: for this truth. If we have a next generation, right,
Speaker 1: we have to live that way. We have to play
Speaker 1: a long game as if, as if this isn't the end,
Speaker 1: because we don't know when the second coming will be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course, of course there are salvation, there
Speaker 1: are so called essentials. I kind of accept that idea,
Speaker 1: but I also kind of believe it's a cop out
Speaker 1: two if people just want the status quo. If you
Speaker 1: look back at the people we admire in church history,
Speaker 1: it was never the people who accepted the status quo,
Speaker 1: you know, the reformers. The ninety five THESS would never
Speaker 1: happened if Martin Luther had accepted the status quo amen
Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. And I'm sure everybody and their dog,
Speaker 1: everybody in his dog because I don't use plural there
Speaker 1: for singular. But anyway, that's another thing. Everybody and his dog,
Speaker 1: his art, her dog was telling him just to accept it,
Speaker 1: just to be okay, not to be so angry all
Speaker 1: the time, not to be so why do you have
Speaker 1: to be like this all the time. Why do you
Speaker 1: have to be obsessed with the church and its problems?
Speaker 1: Why can't you just accept it and work within it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you heard all of that stuff, Like in
Speaker 1: a way we hear, okay, well, why are you negative?
Speaker 1: You should be happy, You should be happier, right, But
Speaker 1: I am happy in Christ and and you know, we
Speaker 1: just want things to be better than they are. And
Speaker 1: it's not okay to me that there is confusion and
Speaker 1: vagueness fuzziness about where Heaven is when the scripture is
Speaker 1: plain and and I just so we wrote the book
Speaker 1: and I say what I can when I can, and
Speaker 1: I will never lie you. I don't know. I'm half tempted,
Speaker 1: and I've done street preaching. I'm half tempted to do
Speaker 1: to preach this, you know, from the housetops. But I'm
Speaker 1: not erring position maybe to do that at this point.
Speaker 1: But but the but we have to. We have to
Speaker 1: do what we can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it is like I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just where Jesus, where is Heaven. Let's let's
Speaker 1: get to that point. Yeah, if you can't, if you
Speaker 1: don't like the discussion over the shape of the earth.
Speaker 1: But see, it all just leads to the same thing though,
Speaker 1: because if Jesus ascended into heaven and he's there now,
Speaker 1: well that's unfortunately for the other worldview, that's it's kind
Speaker 1: of impossible for them to believe that unless he went
Speaker 1: into another dimension. They have to add things to the scripture.
Speaker 1: So so to me that that that's of utmost importance.
Speaker 1: And of course there is like the evidence of my senses.
Speaker 1: Of course, there is water is level. Of course, there's
Speaker 1: all these evidences there. There are the high zoom lens
Speaker 1: tests that have been done that are basically in controvertible evidence.
Speaker 1: There is the evidence of NASA having ungodly foundations of
Speaker 1: the Nazis that they that they brought over well found.
Speaker 4: Jack and Parsons and el Ron Hubbard were an all Crowley,
Speaker 4: they were all involved with the founding of NASA.
Speaker 1: So so there's all of that, right, Yeah, there's all
Speaker 1: the there is there the flight patterns that don't make sense.
Speaker 1: There are the suspicious ah Antarctic activities. There is there
Speaker 1: are the old publications of popular science that talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the Earth being observable to be a flat
Speaker 1: discment documents that were released ah that of of the
Speaker 1: of the the scientists themselves. Now you know, I can
Speaker 1: say all that stuff, but then what it's not. It's
Speaker 1: sometimes not even worth saying unless I can produce it.
Speaker 1: And even then I think cutting right to the point.
Speaker 1: For the Christian for us, that's all just window dressing
Speaker 1: in a way, because it's important, but it's what about
Speaker 1: the Bible? What does the Bible actually say that should
Speaker 1: be for us? That's the truth. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that we are passionate about is that, well the truth
Speaker 1: should be enough. And one of the last chapters in
Speaker 1: the book is titled is the Scripture enough?
Speaker 2: And and so.
Speaker 1: What we said is, well, we should have never had
Speaker 1: to write this book at all, and none of these
Speaker 1: people who believe this should have ever had to write
Speaker 1: any of these books. We hope that critics are convinced
Speaker 1: by scripture. However, we also know that there is thorough
Speaker 1: and completing doctrination that we have also received on the
Speaker 1: Baller model. But and so the objection is, you can't
Speaker 1: just say the Bible says so, like the Christian will
Speaker 1: say this, you can't just say the Bible says so,
Speaker 1: even after you've done in your Exejesus, even after you've
Speaker 1: found the scriptures. Don't you realize how ignorant, backward and
Speaker 1: irrelevant you're going to sound. What about the real scientists.
Speaker 1: We're going to school you on the facts, put you
Speaker 1: your place, leave without answers, and finally discredit not only you,
Speaker 1: but your faith and the Bible itself. Well, yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: school me on their answers, but I'll school them on
Speaker 1: the scriptures. So you can take your pick. And so
Speaker 1: we don't deny it in a very real way, we
Speaker 1: don't care what they think or say, because we really
Speaker 1: do accept our ancient scriptures in opposition to mainstream so
Speaker 1: called science. We're not claiming greater intelligence or knowledge, but
Speaker 1: we are claiming knowledge of the scriptures and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: And of course there is actual scientific evidence, but that
Speaker 1: comes after. And it's very much I believe for the
Speaker 1: Christian secondary and a distant secondary to the scriptures, right
Speaker 1: so I think we've got off track somewhere as Christians
Speaker 1: on this point of putting what scientists said and believing
Speaker 1: their credentials. I mean, we're not even doing real science.
Speaker 1: It's not even observable, it's testable because we don't observe spinning,
Speaker 1: and nobody can test the spinning. Nobody can observe it
Speaker 1: or test it. It's all based on their the mathematical
Speaker 1: calculations that they've jigged and made work mathematically. But anyone
Speaker 1: can make mathematical calculations work and then say they say
Speaker 1: certain things. That doesn't make it science. Yeah, but even that,
Speaker 1: even real science, it should be should agree with scripture,
Speaker 1: and it does because the Bible is true. And someone
Speaker 1: will say, well, the Bible doesn't talk about whatever microbes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't say anything against the microbes. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to mention something. Correct, the thing doesn't
Speaker 1: contradict the Bible. It doesn't mention you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of things. So yeah, okay, it's not a scientific textbook.
Speaker 1: Well thank god, because those textbooks are dry and somewhat inaccurate.
Speaker 1: But to say the point is, it doesn't contradict and
Speaker 1: so nothing can contradict the scriptures and still be true.
Speaker 5: Amen.
Speaker 1: As Christians, we have to believe that, otherwise we are
Speaker 1: very slippery ground on everything, including salvation, including the death, burial,
Speaker 1: resurrection of Christ, and ascension the second coming of Christ.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to ask you, we're down to about
Speaker 4: our last ten minutes. I wanted to ask you because
Speaker 4: you had mentioned you said, at some point the narrative,
Speaker 4: the narrative shifted. Do you think have you taken to
Speaker 4: time to research that? Do you think it was around
Speaker 4: that early fifteen hundred timeframe when Coperna or not Copernicus,
Speaker 4: Martin Luther came out, did the ninety five THECS and
Speaker 4: broke away and that's when Copernicus kind of started to
Speaker 4: take charge.
Speaker 5: Or do you think it was more than just that?
Speaker 1: I think that was a big, a big point. I
Speaker 1: think the devil again, every time God pours out his spirit,
Speaker 1: the devil doubles down. But Martin Luther himself had some
Speaker 1: choice words for Copernicus. Yes, he called him a heretic,
Speaker 1: he said, he called him a fool who would quote
Speaker 1: turned the whole science of astronomy upside down, And he
Speaker 1: cited Joshua commanding the sun to stand still, and so
Speaker 1: he took that literally. Now, not everything, again, Martin Luther
Speaker 1: is subserving to the Bible. Not everything he said is correct,
Speaker 1: But we give him credit for our entire reformation. And
Speaker 1: I think anyone who calls himself a Christian and evangelical
Speaker 1: is from his heritage and should should hear what he
Speaker 1: asked to say as someone who was a contemporary and
Speaker 1: someone who was on the prophetic edge, at least at
Speaker 1: the prime of his life, he was on the right
Speaker 1: side of history and the right side of the scriptures.
Speaker 1: And he is the one who said, let scripture convict me.
Speaker 1: And he was right about the scriptures. And so you
Speaker 1: you know, you can say what you want else. He
Speaker 1: is a man. He has flaws, but and we all
Speaker 1: have flaws. That doesn't mean we're always wrong. He knew
Speaker 1: that something. He knew something about Copernicus, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that was a big, big time, you know.
Speaker 7: And and.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that whole Enlightenment again, the so called Enlightenment
Speaker 1: was not a time of godly spiritual revelation, except that
Speaker 1: in the church there were revivals happening during that time.
Speaker 1: Those revivals paralleled and did not agree with the spirit
Speaker 1: of the age of Enlightenment, and so and so, George
Speaker 1: Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards. I don't know what their views were,
Speaker 1: but the thing is they brought these revivals. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did well. At the same time, these views are being advanced,
Speaker 1: and so and so the spirit of God gets poured
Speaker 1: out in the early nineteen hundreds. Well, there was a
Speaker 1: revival also of zetetic astronomy in the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Some great books written during those days. But then World
Speaker 1: War One happened and turned the world's attention on that,
Speaker 1: and the agendas that followed led to first of all,
Speaker 1: the League of Nations and World War two, Hitler, the
Speaker 1: United Nations, the creation of NASA and etc. The Nazis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nazis coming over to America promoting eugenics. The eugenics
Speaker 1: came from the Nazis, which includes abortion in euthanasia which
Speaker 1: we see flowering in Canada today, the destruction of humanity
Speaker 1: in terms of eugenics, and so it all comes from
Speaker 1: that same place. And we see all that has happened.
Speaker 1: We also see God increasing revelation. The last days of
Speaker 1: knowledge will increase. I believe we're in those days, and
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to have this knowledge of the earth, and
Speaker 1: it took me a while in life to get to it.
Speaker 1: But it just proves that we can do nothing on
Speaker 1: our own strength. We need the grace of God. We
Speaker 1: need the revelation of the Spirit of God. Otherwise we
Speaker 1: will all be deceived and lie and live in darkness.
Speaker 3: Agreed.
Speaker 4: And you said everything just so poetically, and especially when
Speaker 4: you mentioned that that early movement in the I should
Speaker 4: say the movement in the early nineteen hundreds, and then oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, world were World War One started. I
Speaker 4: just mentioned a few weeks ago you had mentioned Jonathan Edwards,
Speaker 4: who was part of the first Great Awakening of the
Speaker 4: seventeen fifties, that there was a great spiritual movement that
Speaker 4: took place here in the colonies. And I can't explain
Speaker 4: it in four minutes, but you know, all of most
Speaker 4: of the founding fathers were Freemasons, and many of the
Speaker 4: colonists did not want a federal government. It's just coincidence
Speaker 4: to me, how you know, the war overshadowed this great
Speaker 4: awakening in the United States. And I think I'm not
Speaker 4: a person who worries, and I'm not trying to be
Speaker 4: a as they say, a fear porn purveyor. But you know,
Speaker 4: since COVID, there has been a great awakening in the
Speaker 4: United States. That one event caused so many people to
Speaker 4: wake up. So do they create a bigger event to
Speaker 4: foreshadow this awakening and kind of hit the reset button again? Right,
Speaker 4: That's something I always think, I wonder, I don't always
Speaker 4: think about.
Speaker 5: I don't lose sleep over it.
Speaker 4: But if you look throughout history, they have an interesting
Speaker 4: way of trying to quell these kind of awakenings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting. It's really interesting history. I love history,
Speaker 1: and I love looking at things from the Christian point
Speaker 1: of view, which I believe is Christian worldview, which is
Speaker 1: a biblical worldview, which include, yes, the end does have
Speaker 1: a negative element with the mark of the Beast coming in,
Speaker 1: and that is something to take very seriously. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I believe we were treated to a precursor in terms
Speaker 1: of what was rolled out during COVID, all the things
Speaker 1: that were rolled out. I'm glad that that wasn't the
Speaker 1: no Mark. It was not. I'm glad for those who
Speaker 1: took it that it wasn't the mark. There has been
Speaker 1: much suffering as a result of that and most people
Speaker 1: feel like they can't even talk about their suffering. That's
Speaker 1: the worst part because they'll be accused of causing division
Speaker 1: and so really ingenious by the devil, but very diabolically.
Speaker 1: But we also see that. Hey, the end of the
Speaker 1: book is we win. Christ returns on the white horse,
Speaker 1: you know, he comes back through heaven and takes us.
Speaker 1: We rise up. This is the resurrection, and we rule
Speaker 1: and reign with him for a thousand years on the
Speaker 1: new heaven. Sorry, in the millennial millennium, followed by the
Speaker 1: creation of a new heavens and Earth. We're barely getting
Speaker 1: started here with what's good. So the bad is extremely temporary,
Speaker 1: and the great plan of God in the Resurrection, the
Speaker 1: bodily resurrection, is the hope of the Christian. It's not
Speaker 1: that we would die and go to heaven. That's temporary
Speaker 1: as well. Heaven will come to earth and we will
Speaker 1: reign with him first for one thousand years, then forever
Speaker 1: and ever with glorified physical body, just like Jesus has
Speaker 1: now in his physical body that he is in heaven
Speaker 1: with just above us. When I look above and I
Speaker 1: see the stars, when I look above and I feel
Speaker 1: the sun, and I know that it's not ninety three
Speaker 1: million miles away. I'm blessed, and I know that it's
Speaker 1: not you know, thousands of times bigger than the Earth.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed. And when I know that we're not spinning,
Speaker 1: I'm blessed, and want I know that we're not a tiny,
Speaker 1: insignificant speck in the galaxies of the multiverse. I'm blessed
Speaker 1: when I know that we're in an enclosed system, and
Speaker 1: God is above us, not that far away, as the
Speaker 1: scripture says, he is not far from any one of us.
Speaker 1: Paul said in his message to I forget who the
Speaker 1: Athenians I think, But I'm blessed to know all of that,
Speaker 1: and to when things get hard on the earth and
Speaker 1: I look up, lift up your heads. Your redemption draweth nigh.
Speaker 1: I lift my eyes up to the Lord, and I
Speaker 1: raise up my hands in the church. And I know
Speaker 1: why I'm raising them up right, because that's where God,
Speaker 1: the direction of God. I know why trees grow the
Speaker 1: direction they grow, and their limbs seem to be praising God,
Speaker 1: lifting upwards. But let us lift up our hands, let
Speaker 1: us lift up our eyes in the church, and let
Speaker 1: us know why we're doing it. That's that's the intellectual
Speaker 1: blessing along with the spiritual blessing. Let's think about God's
Speaker 1: love being above and know that it's real and not metaphorical.
Speaker 1: And and let us not sing when the worship song
Speaker 1: mentions galaxies as many do. Unfortunately, like I'm not blessed.
Speaker 1: I never was blessed by looking up and thinking how
Speaker 1: vast the so called universe was. I was confused, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, and Christians are often not honest, but
Speaker 1: I was confused. You know. Their narrative is you're supposed
Speaker 1: to look up and contemplate the vastness of the universe
Speaker 1: and how much God loves us. Well, no, that never
Speaker 1: happened for me, and I don't see how it could happen.
Speaker 1: That's not a sign of love. It's a sign of confusion.
Speaker 1: What God contradicted his word And you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: blessed by that. So anyway, but I am blessed to
Speaker 1: think to think on God, and I you know, I'm
Speaker 1: let's see where this takes us. You know, I'm thank
Speaker 1: you for having me on the show. And I know
Speaker 1: that you are in a good situation over there. You
Speaker 1: can be you can be open, and some of us
Speaker 1: can be a little less open, but we're all we're
Speaker 1: all on the same team. Indeed, and anyone with Jesus
Speaker 1: is also on the same team, no matter what they
Speaker 1: believe about this. And and I hope that anyone listening,
Speaker 1: who who's sitting on the fence, I hope you feel respected.
Speaker 1: I respect your worldview. I don't like what mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like what the scripture says. But if I ever
Speaker 1: have a conversation, it doesn't matter. Anyone from any religion,
Speaker 1: is Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, ball Earther. Look, I respect your
Speaker 1: world view. I respect you. Let's get that out of
Speaker 1: the way that if you respect me and my view,
Speaker 1: I'll expect you and yours. Let's have a conversations. Let's
Speaker 1: let's be honest with each other and with ourselves and
Speaker 1: uh we can only we can only win by by
Speaker 1: doing that. But let's not get angry, mad, triggered all
Speaker 1: the rest of it. Let's let's not make fun, let's
Speaker 1: not mock too harshly. Right ah, Let's let's be truthful
Speaker 1: and he may be a little humorous, we can handle it, right,
Speaker 1: but hm, but respect people.
Speaker 4: Well said, and again, The book is a level Plane
Speaker 4: and introduction to Biblical Cosmology by Reinhold Geese Brack.
Speaker 5: Pardon me, and I will have the link to the Amazon.
Speaker 4: It's available enkindle or paperback, if you know me, I
Speaker 4: have the paperback version in my cart because just you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I remember reading Fahrenheit four fifty one and
Speaker 4: knowing that one day there will be a book burning, right,
Speaker 4: and it could be from a digital aspect of it, right,
Speaker 4: They're not going to be able to go to every
Speaker 4: person's house and look through their books. However, they can
Speaker 4: very simply pull books that don't go with the narrative
Speaker 4: from a digital point of view. So I urge each
Speaker 4: and every one of you, if you can to twart
Speaker 4: and paperback and have it in your hand, be able
Speaker 4: to lend it to others who maybe right, all of
Speaker 4: us learn differently what some people that enjoy a conversation,
Speaker 4: some people like to read, some people like to watch videos.
Speaker 4: Being able to hand someone a book and process it
Speaker 4: in their time might be just a gift that that
Speaker 4: could change their life. So again, I highly recommend it
Speaker 4: a level plane. Reinhold Geesebreckt, and I thank you for
Speaker 4: your candor and your honesty, and absolutely it's interesting that
Speaker 4: of all the topics in the world, it is one
Speaker 4: of the most divisive.
Speaker 5: And if that doesn't point to.
Speaker 4: How important it is, Like I don't know how people
Speaker 4: can't see if it's something simple like that in the
Speaker 4: terms of just discussion, right, something around versus something flat,
Speaker 4: doesn't just blow your mind. It is life changing and
Speaker 4: I have hundreds, if not a thousand emails to prove it. So,
Speaker 4: so again, thank you so much for your time and
Speaker 4: continued success with your book, and thank you for coming
Speaker 4: on and again for being so candid and also as
Speaker 4: you do, spreading the Gospel of Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, and thank you for having me on
Speaker 1: the show. I know that this show is blessed many people,
Speaker 1: and I'm just blessed to join in the conversation. And
Speaker 1: hopefully conversation will encourage people where they're at to believe
Speaker 1: in better and higher things in the gospel, gospel truth,
Speaker 1: and to trust Jesus alone for their salvation and ultimately
Speaker 1: for the truth.
Speaker 5: And I guess we should shout out Wayne. I hope
Speaker 5: you enjoyed the audio cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, Yeah, Hey, Wayne, and thanks for directing
Speaker 1: this my way and we'll be talking soon with him
Speaker 1: and seeing what we can we can come up with together.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, So yeah, we'll definitely let you know. Thanks
Speaker 1: when we have something and God.
Speaker 4: Bless God bless you, and looking forward to the next
Speaker 4: time we have a conversation. And to all the listeners
Speaker 4: out there, thank you for your continued support and your emails.
Speaker 4: And again, if you'd like to come on and share
Speaker 4: your journey like Reinold did this evening, please do send
Speaker 4: us an email. It is fe Files guest at gmail
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Speaker 4: Files guest at gmail dot com. Reinold, I am George,
Speaker 4: God bless each and every one of you. Have a
Speaker 4: tremendous week. Until we meet again, my friends, we will see.
Speaker 3: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know. You've
Speaker 3: had me fee the TI tell down all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know you feeling more. Your smile ain't the same.
Speaker 3: I saw wall go from You feel like you've lost
Speaker 3: your way. Don't give it. No, don't give it and
Speaker 3: never this home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't
Speaker 3: done yet. He's got up. Glad. Why it's a right time.
Speaker 7: Got up, let me come? Why wait, God up.
Speaker 8: Call, I can see the straight beside you. Child's are
Speaker 8: putting up five. Oh you're stronger, better thing. Yeah, you're gone,
Speaker 8: be all right. You're accepting a dead found.
Speaker 3: Beautiful. You're shoving ride.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're living, breathing, move, you can hold your head
Speaker 8: a pie.
Speaker 3: Don't give up. No, don't give in, never lose home.
Speaker 2: Don't let go on the primise, it ain't donet's got
Speaker 2: a plant?
Speaker 3: WHA's some way down? The God of Mericame. Don't give up. No,
Speaker 3: don't give in. You never lose home.
Speaker 2: Don't let go on the promise, it ain't gonfe It's
Speaker 2: worth living.
Speaker 3: What's a way down? The God of Mabel. Why it's
Speaker 3: a place now? The God?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, what a brave now the god baby, Oh yeah, gott.
Speaker 9: Don't give up, No, don't give in, never lose hol
Speaker 9: do they go of the primsn in and done? Yes,
Speaker 9: got up playing?
Speaker 3: Watch me die? Kind of eve cos? Don't give no
Speaker 3: dog giving, never home? Don't they got the crimes? Get
Speaker 3: ain't done. Love's worth living in? What's died? The God
Speaker 3: of heavy cos? Oh, the God of needs. Why don't God?
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