1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,559 In this episode, we're gonna start taking a look at 3 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:10,640 the Sarah Ransom deposition that's recently been unsealed, and we're 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,359 gonna take a look at what she had to say, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,160 and Laura Meninger is doing the questioning, and Sarah Ransom's 6 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:22,879 being represented by a lawyer named Peter Gergis. So now 7 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,399 that we have all the players on the stage, let's 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,960 get to the play. Menager, good morning, Miss Ransom. Answer, 9 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,200 good morning, Manager. Can you please give us your full name, 10 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:39,200 Sarah Sarah Emma Ashley Ransom. Manager and what is your birthday? 11 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:45,840 Ransom redacted? Menager and what is your current address? Gergis, 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,240 I'm going to object to a current address. Manager, you 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,079 can answer, Gergis, you can give your last permanent address. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:59,399 Ransom redacted, then redacted again and questioned by Menager and 15 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:03,840 what does that mean that's your last permanent address? Ransom? 16 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:08,159 I reside there. Manager. Do you rent an apartment? Ransom? 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,840 My partner does? Manager? Who is your partner? Gurgis objection? Manager, 18 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:19,359 who is your partner? Ransom? Do I have to answer that? Gurgis? Yes? Redacted? 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,799 Manager I'm sorry, Ransom redacted? Manager? How do you spell 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,480 the last name? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And how long has 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 redacted been your partner? Gurgis, I'm going to object. I'm 22 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,719 not sure what the relevance of this is or where 23 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,519 you're going with this, Manager? How long has redacted been 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,879 your partner? Ransom? Sorry? Can I just ask a question? 25 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:46,560 I would like to just clarify When you say objection, 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,719 does that mean I actually have to answer the question, 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,000 because that's irrelevant. Gurgis, right, unless I'm telling you not 28 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:56,280 to answer. You need to answer, Ransom, so I don't 29 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,719 need to answer, Gurgis, No, you do need to answer this. Okay, 30 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,599 we've been together almost a year. Manager. And what is 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,680 your current occupation Ransom, I'm a writer. Manager. And what 32 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:11,919 do you write? Ransom? Just stuff, you know, just about 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,039 factual stuff, you know, just a bit of this, a 34 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:16,759 bit of that. Manager. Have you been paid for any 35 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:21,439 of your writing? Ransom? No, it's more of a hobby, really, Manager. 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,879 Are you employed Ransom? Nope? Manager. Do you have any 37 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:28,879 source of income? Ransom my partner? Gurgis, I'm going to 38 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 object to that. Income is out. You don't have to 39 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,080 answer that McCauley, do you have any source of income? Gurgis, 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,280 I just objected to that you don't have to answer. Manager. 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Is there a privilege that you're asserting, Gurgis, I'm not 42 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,159 sure what the relevance is, and I'm not going to 43 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:47,599 allow Manager interrupts them and says, do you believe that 44 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:52,800 relevance is a proper objection during a deposition? Gurgis, I 45 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,560 believe that if you go far afield with the witness, 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,560 that the judge is not going to appreciate it, and 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,599 that I'm not going to just sit here and be 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,360 a potted plan and allow her to answer any questions 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,280 on any subject that you see fit. Manager. On relevance, 50 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:11,120 you're instructing her not to answer on irrelevance objection? Is 51 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:15,199 that what you're saying, Gurgis, I just objected, McCauley, I'm 52 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,599 going to object on behalf of plaintiff for Jinia Roberts, 53 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,479 to the extent that you're requesting from a non party 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,039 financial information which is not allowed under New York law. 55 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:28,319 So McCauley is also sitting in on this, but she's 56 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,439 not there physically. She's on the phone. Manager. I have 57 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,000 asked her whether she has any source of income, and 58 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,280 you're going to object McCauley, yes, manager, and instructor not 59 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:42,400 to answer. McCauley, I'm not instructing her or not to answer. 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,000 I'm just making a record. Gurgis. It's financial information, manager 61 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:52,319 interrupts them, and whether she has a financial motive is relevant. Manager. 62 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,599 So I'm going to ask you one last time, do 63 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:57,319 you have any source of income? Gurgis, I'm going to 64 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,840 instruct you again not to answer. Has any of your 65 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:05,080 writing been published by anyone? Ransom no manager? Have you 66 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:09,159 sought to have your writing published by anyone? Ransom no manager? 67 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,639 What is your partner's occupation? Gurgis objection McCauley, objection, Gurgis, 68 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:18,199 I'm going to object, Yes, same objection. Manager. If you 69 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:20,720 are going to instruct the witness not to answer, please 70 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:24,279 say that contemporaneous with your objection, because there are two 71 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,240 different things. There are objections and instructions not to answer. 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,199 So are you instructing her not to answer what her 73 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,879 partner's occupation is? Gurgis, right, same objection. I'm instructing the 74 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,720 witness not to answer on that basis of both relevance 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,120 and because she is a third party non I'm sorry, 76 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,040 non party witness who you were asking for financial information about? 77 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,720 Menager once again interjects no, I ask for an occupation. McCauley, 78 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,639 I'm going to object that relates directly to financial information, 79 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,519 so it's covered by New York's law with respect to 80 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,360 non party witness Menager, what are the names of your 81 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:07,839 parents redacted? Manager? How do you spell that? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? 82 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,600 And where do your parents live? Ransom? I'm not comfortable 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,560 giving you my mother and father's address. Manager, are you 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,839 instructing her not to answer? Macauley, do you want to confer? Gurgis, 85 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,759 give me a moment on this the witness, we're really 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,079 well organized. Time noted nine twenty one, recess time noted 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,839 nine twenty three, So they took a quick recess, then 88 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,240 they got back to it. Manager, Miss Ransom, there was 89 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,800 a question pending when you took a break with your lawyers. 90 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,439 Can you please answer the question? Gergis, I'm instructing the 91 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,240 witness not to answer questions regarding current information about her 92 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,879 own location, her family's location, or things of that nature. 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,199 The witness has expressed to me fears of harassment and 94 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,279 the belief that she's being followed, and my understanding is 95 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:55,360 that there are other witnesses that have had similar fears 96 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:58,360 and concerns. And unless you make some sort of proffer 97 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,199 of the actual relevance of her parents address wherever those are, 98 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,680 I'm not going to have her answer. Manager, Okay, where 99 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,560 does that understanding come from? Please, mister Gergis. Gurgis, where 100 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,160 does your understanding come from? You just made a factual representation. 101 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:17,800 I would like to know where your understanding comes from. Gurgis. Yeah, 102 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,360 I'm not being deposed. I'm not going to answer your questions. Manager, 103 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:25,279 all right, Manager, all right, Miss Ransom, did you agree 104 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,480 to be a witness in the case of Roberts versus Maxwell? Answer? Yes? Manager. 105 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,759 Did you voluntarily agree to do that? Ransom? Yes. Manager. 106 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,800 Where you promised anything in exchange for your testimony and 107 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,120 the Roberts versus Maxwell case? Ransom? No, Manager, Where you 108 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,720 provided legal counsel? Ransom? Sorry? Does that mean McAuley you 109 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:52,600 have a lawyer? Yes, Gurgus, yes, Ransom yes. Manager, Okay, 110 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,879 how many lawyers do you have? Ransom three? Manager. I 111 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,160 would like the record to reflect that the witness is 112 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,079 checking with the lawyers to get answers of these questions, Pottinger, Wait, wait, wait, wait, 113 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,319 objection gergis there is absolutely no exchange. No words were 114 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,959 spoken by Menager. Mister Pottinger. Did you put up a 115 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,199 number of fingers? Did you put up a number of fingers, 116 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,839 mister Pottinger. Mister Pottinger, you said, I'm going to object 117 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:22,800 because the witness is answering these questions in plural menager. 118 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,879 Uh huh, Pottinger, that is inaccurate. When she looked at 119 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,439 me to ask how many lawyers she had, I said three, 120 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,000 with three fingers. That is a single request on her 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,040 part and a single answer, not multiple menainger. No, she 122 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 has looked to her lawyers for previous answers. We'll just 123 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,839 make a record as we go along. Thank you McCauley. 124 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,959 You could have had a videotape here so that we 125 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:47,959 would have a record of that, because I think your 126 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,879 verbal record is inaccurate, though, Pottinger, and in fact she 127 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,160 this is mister Pottinger speaking, And in fact, she has 128 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,040 not looked at me during this deposition except one time, 129 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:02,079 which was or what I took to be a request 130 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,240 to know how many lawyers she has manager. So are 131 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:09,879 you being deposed mister Pottinger. Pottinger, I am not manager, 132 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:15,240 Miss Ransom. How many lawyers do you think you have? Ransom? Three? Manager, 133 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:19,639 can you please name them? Ransom, Peter, Cigarette and Stan. 134 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:25,680 Manager is mister Bradley Edwards representing you? Answer yes. Manager 135 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:31,360 is mister Paul Cassell representing you Ransom? No. Manager is 136 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,799 mister David Boys representing you? Answer yes. Ms McCauley. I 137 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,159 just want to be clearer for the record if you're 138 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,120 talking about representing generally or you're talking about a particular matter, 139 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,039 because we have a couple of matters. Manager, I'm asking 140 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 the questions here, McCauley. No, I understand that you have 141 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,840 to make the record clear. Manager interrupts Ms McCauley. If 142 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:54,960 you want to ask her questions later, you are more 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,159 than welcome to do so. I am going to ask 144 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,879 questions of the witness that I am deposing. McCauley. Well, 145 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:02,960 we want the record to be clear that there are 146 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 more than one action. Manager interrupts her. You can ask 147 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,720 questions when you're doing your questioning. I'm doing my questioning 148 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,240 now and I will ask the questions. McCauley. I'm going 149 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,039 to object the record should be clear there is more 150 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,679 than one action pending here. She is a witness and 151 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,639 she is also her own action pending. Pagliuka, thank you 152 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,879 for that speaking objection Ms McCauley and communicating that information 153 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,720 to the witness, which you know is totally improper. McCauley. 154 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:34,120 Now that's two people objecting right now. Is it going 155 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:36,759 to be Laura taking this deposition or is it going 156 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:38,679 to be you? Jeff? You guys have done this to 157 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 me before, and it's not a position where you're allowed 158 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:44,440 to object and she's allowed to object. You guys pulled 159 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,600 that at the last deposition, so please do not do 160 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,360 this here. Pagliuka, I was just thanking you, Menager. All right, 161 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,919 So the number of lawyers we're up to so far 162 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:01,000 is Gergis, McCauley, Pottinger, Edwards, and boys. That's five, correct, Ransom? 163 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,759 Can I just ask you a question? Manager, No, you 164 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:08,039 cannot ransom? Okay? Manager? Are those five lawyers that are 165 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,559 representing you? Gurgis objection? Manager? Yes or no? Ransom? Yes? Manager? 166 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:19,279 All right? Anyone else representing you? Ransom? No? Manager? Miss Schultz? 167 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:24,519 Is Miss Meredith Schultz representing you? Ransom? No? Menager? How 168 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,679 much are you paying for any of your lawyers. Ransom, 169 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:30,679 it's on a pro bono basis. Manager, Do you know 170 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,279 what each of those lawyers normal hourly rates are? Ransom? No, Menager. 171 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,039 Do you know how many hours you have spent with 172 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:42,320 your attorneys? Ransom? No, Gurgis objection? Menager? How many hours 173 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,919 have you spent with mister Gergis? Gurgis objection. Manager then 174 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 rephrases the question without communicating to me any information you 175 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,279 and he have shared ransom a few maybe, Menager? How many? Ransom? 176 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,720 About eleven hours in total? Menager? When is the first 177 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,679 time that you met mister gurr Gurgis objection? McCauley, you 178 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:08,159 can answer Gurgis. You can answer ransom yesterday. Manager, you 179 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,720 met mister Gurgis yesterday? Was that your answer? Ransom? Yes? Manager? 180 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:15,759 And who is paying for mister Gurgis fees? If you 181 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,360 know ransom? I have a pro bono arrangement. Manager. Do 182 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,720 you know if he's receiving money from anyone else in 183 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:27,440 exchange for representing you? Ransom? No, Manager, No you don't know, 184 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,200 or no, he is not ransom. I don't know, menager. 185 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,360 How many hours have you spent with miss McCauley, Ransom. 186 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:38,639 Can I just clarify that question? Does that mean on 187 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,440 the phone, Like, what are you referring to in person 188 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,039 or manager? Either one? How many hours? How much time 189 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,360 have you spent with Ms McCauley in person, Ransom, I 190 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:51,360 met with Ms McCauley for the first time in person yesterday, 191 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,559 but I've spent Yeah, we've been Ms McCauley was the 192 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,840 first person I actually spoke to. Manager. And how many 193 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,559 hours have you spent with on the phone, Ransom? Many 194 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,720 many hours? Menager? Approximately? How many? Ransom? I don't know. 195 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Menager five Gurgis objection, Ransom more than five, Menager ten 196 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Gurgis objection ten Ransom, well ten fifteen. She's been with 197 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,519 me the whole way since when I came forward, so 198 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,600 she's been a very prominent person. Manager. And when did 199 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,039 you first speak with her on the phone, Ransom, I 200 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,480 think it was Menager interrupts without telling me what you said. Ransom. 201 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:37,679 I think it was November, Menager, November? What? Ransom, I 202 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:44,320 can't remember the date, Menager, early November, late November. Gurgis objection, Ransom, 203 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,879 I can't remember, Menager. Was she speaking to you on 204 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:52,039 your cell phone or a landline? Ransom, cell phone manager, 205 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,159 a mobile number or a landline ransom? A cell phone manager? Okay? 206 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,440 And what's the cell phone number? Ransom? I don't have 207 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,759 it anymore? Menager? That's okay. What's the cell phone number? Ransom? 208 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,960 I actually don't know. I can't remember my cell phone number. 209 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:11,600 I don't have anything with me, so I can't remember 210 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,240 that number offhand, Menager. How long did you have that 211 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,799 cell phone? Ransom? About eight months? Menager? What happened to it? Ransom? 212 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,440 I got rid of it? Manager? Why Ransom? Because I 213 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,080 fear from my life because of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Menager? 214 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,919 What did you do with it? Ransom? I sold it? 215 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:36,759 Manager when Ransom? November? Manager? Before or after you first 216 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:42,000 spoke with Miss McCauley. Ransom before? Manager? So then, how 217 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 did you speak with Miss McCauley over the phone? Answer 218 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,919 by Ransom on my partner's cell phone? Manager, and what's 219 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,960 his cell phone number? Ms McCauley objection, what's irrelevance of 220 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,039 her partner's cell phone? Again? This is irrelevant, it's harassing. 221 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,759 It's your seeking information to be able to witness has 222 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,879 already expressed fear about people currently going after so we 223 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:08,799 would object to that intimidation of a non party witness. Menager, 224 00:14:08,919 --> 00:14:12,080 What is your partner's cell phone number, Gurgis, I'm directing 225 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,919 the witness, not the answer. Manager. How many hours have 226 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,720 you spent speaking with mister Pottinger Ransom. I've been speaking 227 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:24,679 to mister Pottinger since November. Manager. When in November Ransom? 228 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:27,679 I can't remember, Menager, on the same cell phone that 229 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:31,639 you got rid of? Ransom? No, on my partner cell phone. Manager. 230 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:35,039 And when did your first meet mister Pottinger in person? Ransom? 231 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:39,000 It was at the beginning of January. Manager. And where 232 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:45,519 was the meeting Ransom? Barcelona? Manager? Where in Barcelona? Ransom? Barcelona? 233 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:49,039 It's Barcelona we meet. I can't remember the area. Manager, 234 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,960 in a restaurant, in a hotel, in an office, Ransom, 235 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:56,360 in a hotel? Manager. And how long did you spend 236 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,720 with mister Pottinger on that occasion, Ransom? Two days? How 237 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,559 many hours over the two days Ransom? Gosh about sixteen? Menager? 238 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:08,480 How many hours did you spend with mister Edwards Mister 239 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:14,240 McCauley objection, answer by Ransom the same amount Manager he 240 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,360 was with mister Pottinger. Answer yeah, Manager, and mister boys. 241 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:22,759 How much time have you spent with mister boys? Ransom. 242 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:25,440 I haven't spent any time with him yet, Menager. Have 243 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:28,960 you met him? Ransom? No? Manager, have you spoken to 244 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:32,919 him on the phone? Ransom? No, Menager? And you have 245 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:39,080 not paid any money for any of those lawyer's time? Correct? Ransom, Yes, Manager, 246 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,840 In addition to your free legal counsel, were you given 247 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:44,799 anything else in exchange for your agreement to be a 248 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:50,279 witness in this case? Gergis objection. Ransom no, Menager? Did 249 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:56,519 you fly over here? Answer yes, Menager from Barcelona? Ransom yes. Manager. 250 00:15:56,759 --> 00:15:59,759 Did you pay for the plane ticket? Ransom? Yes, Menager? 251 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,320 How much was the plane ticket? Ransom? It was? I 252 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,600 think it was a thousand, It was a thousand. I 253 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,840 can't remember the exact total. Manager. Has anyone agreed to 254 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:14,440 reimburse you for this? Ransom? No? Manager, And you're staying 255 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:18,440 where while you're here? Gurgis objection, and direct you not 256 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,159 to answer that? Manager. Are you staying at a hotel 257 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,080 while you're here? Gurgis, you can answer that ransom, yeah, Manager, 258 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,039 are you paying for that hotel? Gurgis objection. I'm directing 259 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 you not to answer McCauley, you can answer Gergis. I 260 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,600 think you can answer. McCauley. Yeah, I think you can 261 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:39,440 answer Gergis. That's fine. I agree McCauley. You're a non 262 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:43,519 party witness. You can answer the question. Manager. Who is McCauley. 263 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,960 I am representing Virginia. He is representing the witness. Manager. Well, 264 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,080 you're representing the witness as well, right, McCauley, I'm not manager. Well, 265 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,320 did you just tell her she can answer a question. McCauley, 266 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,679 I did, manager? Are you paying for the hotel? Ransom? No? Menager? 267 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:05,839 Who's paying for the hotel? Answer by ransom? It's on 268 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,480 expenses I think of a witness. It's expenses from Yeah, 269 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:12,319 I don't know. Actually, Manager, you don't know who is 270 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,920 paying for your hotel? Answer no, Menager, it's not you 271 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:21,119 answer no, manager, And how much per night is your hotel? Ransom? 272 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,880 I have no idea Menager? How long are you staying 273 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,319 on this trip? Ransom? Just for the deposition? Menager? Okay, 274 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:35,079 when did you arrive? Answer? It was Tuesday? Late Tuesday? Manager? 275 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,400 And when are you leaving? Ransom? Tomorrow evening? All right, 276 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,680 So we're gonna wrap up part one right there, and 277 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,880 In the next episode, we'll pick up where we left off. 278 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,880 All of the information that goes with this episode can 279 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,480 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 280 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:55,279 welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're 281 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:58,200 gonna pick up where we left off with the Sarah 282 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:04,200 Ransom deposition once again. Laura Meninger is asking questions and 283 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:09,240 the lawyer for Sarah Ransom is mister Gergis, along with 284 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:15,200 Sigared McAuley and Stan Pottinger. So let's get back to it. Menager, 285 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:18,680 how long are you staying here on this trip, Ransom? 286 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,759 Just for the deposition? Manager? Okay, when did you arrive Ransom? 287 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:26,880 It was Tuesday, late, Tuesday night, Manager. And when are 288 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,079 you leaving? Ransom tomorrow at evening? Manager? In addition to 289 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,880 your legal counsel and your hotel, is there anything else 290 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,599 you've been given in exchange for your ransom? No, Manager, 291 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:40,119 to be a witness in this case, you have to 292 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,480 wait for me to finish my question before you answer, Ransom. Sorry, Manager, 293 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:49,359 Have you been given anything else? Ransom? No, Menager, have 294 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,720 you been promised anything else? Ransom? No? Manager? Have you 295 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:55,839 been promised that you would have counsel to help you 296 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:59,480 bring a lawsuit against a number of people. McAuley objection. 297 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:03,000 To the extent this gets into attorney client privileged information, 298 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,240 you're not allowed to answer. Manager, Have your lawyers agreed 299 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:09,599 to bring a lawsuit on your behalf against a number 300 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,400 of people? Ransom? Yes, Manager, And are you paying for 301 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,000 that council? Ransom? No, Manager. Have you reached any agreement 302 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,480 about a contingency fee for that case? Ransom? Can you 303 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:26,240 explain what contingency means? Sorry? Manager. Do you expect to 304 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:31,480 receive money as a result of that lawsuit? Ransom? Oh, no, no, Manager, 305 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:34,079 You're not asking to receive any money as a result 306 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,359 of that lawsuit? Answer no, Manager, All right, So have 307 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,599 you had any agreements regarding writing a book? Answer by Ransom, No, 308 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,119 Manager about your experience, you have to wait for me 309 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,240 to finish my question. Have you had any agreements with 310 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:53,599 your lawyers about media rights in any form? Gergis objection 311 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,200 to the extent that you're asking about communications with the attorneys, Menager, 312 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:01,480 I'm asking about her arrangement with her attorneys, which is 313 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,599 not privileged. Ransom. Can you please repeat the question, manager, 314 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:08,960 Have you reached an agreement with your attorneys regarding meteor 315 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,359 rites for your story. Answer No, Manager, have you talked 316 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,920 to anyone about publishing anything relating to your story? Ransom? 317 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,599 Can you repeat the question please? Manager. Can you read 318 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,039 it back? Requested? Portion of the record was read back Ransom, Yes, 319 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,440 I have manager. Who have you spoken to, Ransom the 320 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,359 New York Post? Manager? Who at the New York Post Ransom? 321 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,279 Maureen Callahan? Manager? And when did you speak with her? Ransom? 322 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,599 I think it was late in October. Manager. Have you 323 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,799 spoken with her since? Ransom? No? Manager? And how long 324 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,920 ago did you speak to her? Ransom? I spoke to her, 325 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,759 for gosh, about thirty minutes on the phone once. Manager. 326 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,680 And what was what did you tell her in your 327 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,480 phone call? Ransom? I told her what Jeffrey Epstein and 328 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,759 Glenn macke well did to me and the other girls. Menager. 329 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,160 Did she give you any money in exchange for your interview? Ransom? No? Manager. 330 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,279 Did you publish anything related to that interview? Ransom? No? Menager. 331 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:16,319 How did you get in touch with miss Callahan? Ransom? 332 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,039 I emailed her after I read an article that she 333 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,279 had written about Jeffrey Epstein. And the last sentence was 334 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,599 it was on the sixteenth of October and one of 335 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:28,359 the last sentences I remember was will we ever know 336 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,880 the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims? And I wrote 337 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,279 her after that because well it still continues, doesn't it. Manager. 338 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,039 Where's the email that you wrote her? Ransom? It's on 339 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,880 my computer, manager, okay, in your Yahoo account, Ransom. Yes. Manager. 340 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,480 Did you have an agreement with her to have any 341 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:55,160 additional conversations? Ransom? Yes? Manager? And what was that agreement, Ransom, 342 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,519 It wasn't an agreement, per such. What actually happened was 343 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,519 I came forward. As soon as I came forward, there 344 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,519 was where I live in Barcelona, there's quite a lot 345 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,960 it's a quite busy traffic with people. I came forward 346 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960 to Marine Callahan. I wanted to tell my story, and 347 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,319 I want to run a campaign in which all the 348 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,119 girls that have been abused by Galine and Jeffrey can 349 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,799 come forward. And I wanted to run a campaign with 350 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,319 The New York Post to get these girls to have 351 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,720 the courage to come forward, because I know a lot 352 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,400 of them are frightened, like myself. The email correspondence I 353 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,480 had with Mariene Callahan, she was going away or something, 354 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:32,640 and she was going to write a piece in the 355 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,839 New York Post about my story. During that time, it 356 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,440 was the elections, so there was a lot more other 357 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,279 things going on. There were two people following me. After 358 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:46,039 I came forward to Mariene Callahan, I went to I 359 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,000 walked downstairs, I walked around. I have a usual routine 360 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,440 that I do in the morning, I went out. I 361 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,400 saw the same two people. Later on that afternoon, I 362 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,440 saw the same two people again. I was frightened. I'm 363 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 frightened for my life, absolutely frightened. So there you go. 364 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,440 So that's what I was. She pauses for a minute 365 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:09,200 communication stop between Maureen Callahan and I. I got really 366 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,119 angry with Maureen because she had obviously told someone being 367 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,039 the New York Post. So you know, Menager, So you 368 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:18,519 had an email to miss Callahan and an email back 369 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:23,160 from her. Ransom, yes, manager, more than one ransom? Yes? Manager? 370 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,599 How many ransom? I can't remember, Menager? More than ten 371 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:31,119 or less than ten? Manager? And you had one phone 372 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,359 call with her or more than just one ransom? Just 373 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,039 one manager and it lasted about thirty minutes. Ransom about that, Menager? 374 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,480 And was that also on the cell phone that you 375 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:47,240 got rid of? Ransom? That was on my partner's cell phone. Manager, 376 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,960 and what had you read in the press that caused 377 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,200 you to get in touch with miss Callahan? McCauley objectioned 378 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,759 the form Go ahead, Ransom. You can read the article yourself. 379 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,559 It's on the sixteenth of October. There's an article in 380 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,559 the New York Post written by Maureen Callahan. You can 381 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:08,599 read it, and that's what inspired me to come forward. McAuley. 382 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,039 What do you recall about that article, Ransom? Oh, I 383 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,160 can't remember. The one thing I do remember is the 384 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920 last sentence of the article, which has stuck with me 385 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,039 and quite prominent, and that is, well we ever know 386 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,480 the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims. Manager, Do you 387 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:29,720 recall anything else about this article? Ransom, It's just the 388 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,319 same when I had read the article, the stuff that 389 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,880 I had experienced myself with Jeffrey. It's just the same 390 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,480 old stuff, just continuing. I thought he had stopped abusing girls. Menager, 391 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:43,720 what do you recall reading an article that Jeffrey Epstein 392 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,240 was doing? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager, anything at all. Ransom, 393 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,279 you can read the article. I can't remember. Manager, you 394 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:58,640 remember nothing about this article, McCauley asked, an answered objection, Manager, 395 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,000 except it was related to Jeffrey Epstein and it ended 396 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,480 with the sentence that you just described. McAuley objection, asked 397 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,599 an answered Ransom, Yes, Menager, what do you know about 398 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,599 other girls being frightened? Ransom? I know that the girls 399 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,920 on the island and in New York during my time 400 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,960 with Jeffrey and Glane that they were frightened? Menager? Okay, 401 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,920 what are the names of those girls? Ransom redacted, redacted 402 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,960 and redacted. I don't know her surname. I can't remember 403 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,960 her surname, Maxwell. How do you spell the first name? Ransom? Redacted? 404 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,160 I'm just taking a guess. Redacted. I'm guessing. I think gergis. 405 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,160 I'm going to remind the witness I told her not 406 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,079 to speculate, but that's okay, Menager. In addition to redacted 407 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,680 and redacted, what are the names of the other girls 408 00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:50,319 who you believe are frightened? Ransom redacted? There were a 409 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,640 couple of other girls that I met during my time 410 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,240 with Glen and Jeffrey that were frightened, Menager. What were 411 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,720 the names of the girls that you met that were frightened? Ransom? 412 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,440 There was redacted, redacted, redacted and redacted, and there were 413 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200 two other girls. I can't remember their names, Menager, Okay, 414 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,839 please describe them, Ransom, the describe all the girls or Menager? No, 415 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,400 we're talking about the girls that you met on the 416 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,920 island that you described as frightened. Okay, on the island, 417 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,680 Gurgis objection. You seem to be suggesting that all those 418 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,279 girls are from the island. I'm not sure that that's 419 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:29,119 the testimony. Menager. All right, you said girls on the 420 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,079 island and in New York who were frightened. I ask 421 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,519 you for their names. You gave me three, correct Ransom, Yes, Menager. 422 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,960 You said there were two others correct Ransom. Uh huh Maxwell. 423 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,480 What did the two other girls look like? Ransom? I 424 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:49,720 can't really remember. One had blonde hair, long blonde hair, Menager. 425 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,960 Anything else about that, Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. The 426 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,519 other girl? Can you remember her hair color? Ransom? No, 427 00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,680 I can't remember. Men Do you know the height of 428 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:05,680 either one of them? Ransom? No, I can't remember, Menager. 429 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,480 Do you have a photograph of either one of them? Ransom? No? Menager? 430 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,160 And where did you meet these two other girls? Ransom 431 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,720 in New York? Manager? Where in New York, Ransom, I 432 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:22,240 can't remember, Menager. You don't know the location at all, Ransom, No, 433 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,599 it was ten years ago, Menager. Was it in a 434 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,400 home or in a commercial setting? Ransom? I met girls 435 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,880 commercially in home settings? Menager? Where did you meet these 436 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,519 two other girls that you described as being frightened? Ransom? 437 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:42,599 I can't remember, Menager? What is redacted's last name? Ransom? 438 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,039 I don't know, Menager? What does redacted look like? Ransom? 439 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,000 She's got long blonde hair, Menager? How long? Ransom? Long 440 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:55,440 long hair? Menager? Longer than your hair now? Ransom? I 441 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,599 think so. I think it was longer, Menager, so middle 442 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,200 of her back? Ransom, I can't remember. I can't remember 443 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000 on how long her hair was? Menager? Where did you 444 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:11,000 meet redacted? Ransom? I met redacted first in New York? Menager? 445 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,240 Where in New York? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager anywhere 446 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,200 in New York. You can't remember at all? Answer, I 447 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,480 can't remember the location, Menager. Was it at Epstein's home? 448 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,079 Gergis objection. You have asked her now almost twenty questions 449 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,079 about where she met these girls, and she has consistently 450 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,200 said that she does not remember. Manager, Was it in 451 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,599 mister Epstein's home? Ransom? No, Menager? Was it at a club? 452 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160 Mister gergis are we going to spend seven hours with her? Saying? 453 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,680 I can't remember where she met the two girls? Menager? 454 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:49,400 Was it at a club? Ransom? One was at a club? Menager? 455 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,359 Which one? Ransom? Redacted? Menager? Where did you meet redacted? Ransom? 456 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,039 I first met redacted on the island? Menager. Did you 457 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,319 meet her a second time? Ransom? Yes? Menager? Where did 458 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,359 you meet her the second time? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager? 459 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,880 Country Ransom, well us? Sorry? Can I have a break? 460 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,160 I actually need to go to the bathroom. Sorry, Menager, 461 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,440 I don't think I have a question pending. We'll go 462 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,599 off the record now. After a fifteen minute break, they're back, Menager. 463 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960 So I want to return to your conversations with miss Callahan. 464 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,160 Conversations with Miss Callahan? Did you have any further communications 465 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,920 with her after the phone call that you described? Ransom? 466 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,799 There were I think a few emails exchange, but nothing 467 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:40,119 ever came about it, Menager. And again those are emails 468 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,440 from your Yahoo account. Ransom. Yes, Menager. Did you ask 469 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,319 miss Callahan for compensation in exchange for your story. McCauley 470 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:53,519 objection asked, an answered ransom, no menager. Had you seen 471 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,079 any other stories in the press about Jeffrey Epstein Ransom 472 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,559 through the last ten years, I've seen a few articles 473 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,559 written about Jeffrey Epstein. Manager. What do you call about 474 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,880 those articles? Ransom? The way he used to abuse girls? 475 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,079 Basically articles written very similar to my own story? Well identical, 476 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,559 so manager, and have you written down your story? Ransom? 477 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:22,799 No manager, nowhere, ransom, no menager nowhere, ransom no. All right, folks, 478 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,759 we're gonna wrap up part two here and in the 479 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,400 next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. 480 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,480 All of the information that goes with this episode can 481 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,519 be found in the description box.