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This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 31 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.000 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True crime 32 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.640 History and the authors that have written about them. Rebecca 33 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.799 Salcido had an easy smile, a sexy body, and strong appetites. 34 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.959 She wanted the world. Bruce Clayland, she decided would buy 35 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.159 it for her. The shy engineer quickly fell victim to 36 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:13.439 her charms, getting her whatever she wanted, a new car, 37 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:19.759 about a house. But he wasn't Rebecca's only admirer. Even 38 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.960 after Rebecca manipulated Bruce into marrying her, hoping to divorce 39 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.879 him and take him for everything he had, she occupied 40 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.159 herself with a series of lovers, male strippers women. They 41 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.759 all spent time in Rebecca's bed, but when she learned 42 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.719 that a divorce would only get her a few pennies. 43 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:36.159 She knew she had to find another way to secure 44 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:41.599 Bruce's fortune. The book tonight that featured is Honeymoon with 45 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.840 a Killer. He loved her, she loved his money. A 46 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:51.000 return guest, Don Laster my very special guest, Don Lassiter, 47 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.000 Honeymoon with a Killer. Welcome back to the program, Don Lassiter. 48 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.039 Thank you, dam it's nice to be back with you again. 49 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.680 Thank you very much to agreeing to this interview. And 50 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.080 a great book, by the way, Honeymoon with a Killer. 51 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.639 My favorite question, I think, because I always ask it 52 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.400 is very curious, why did you decide to write about 53 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.639 Rebecca Solcido and this case specifically. 54 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.120 Well, it's kind of an interesting cultural story to that 55 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.039 that I did not include in the book. But when 56 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.400 my collaborator, my co writer, co author, and Ron Bowers, 57 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.400 and I were considering this story, I was looking at 58 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.039 it and then I was wondering, really, what's kind of 59 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.520 so familiar about it, And suddenly hit me that it's 60 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.840 a retelling of the opera Carmen viz As opera in 61 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:41.639 that and when I was a kid, I saw a 62 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.919 version of that with Rita Hayworth and Glenn Ford. So 63 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:49.560 I'm picturing Rita Hayworth as Rebecca and the in Carmen. 64 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:55.280 This woman is a beautiful, tempestuous, fiery gypsy in Spain 65 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.520 who's selling her wares in a town pleasant and she 66 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:04.680 meets a innocent, inexperienced soldier, Don Jose. He falls hopelessly 67 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.439 in love, but she's unfaithful with a bullfighter. Their affair 68 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.560 rex his life and ends in deadly tragedy. Rebecca meets 69 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.519 Bruce while selling spices on a swap meat captures his heart. 70 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.199 Is unfaithful with male strippers, so that relationship rex his life, 71 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.399 which ends in deadly tragedy. So this is this is Carmen, 72 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.639 only without the magnificent music, the march of the Tory 73 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.879 doors and the beautiful Hobiniera. Wow, incredile got me hooked 74 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:33.120 on it. 75 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.439 Well, it's a great story. It has all these elements 76 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.480 for sure. Now you mentioned Ronald E. 77 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:40.040 Bauers. 78 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:43.160 He's listed on the cover as Don Lassiter, the author 79 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.720 with Ronald E. Bauer So tell us who what is 80 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.439 his role in the writing of this book. 81 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.279 Ron is a forty year veteran of the Los Angeles 82 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:56.040 County District Attorney's Office. And he is. He's been involved 83 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.639 in every mad you know, in prosecution of every major 84 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.199 crime in that forty years, including all the ones you've 85 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.360 heard about over the years. And so Ron has just 86 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.680 a wealth of experience. So we became acquainted several years ago, 87 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.720 and Ron just pretty much helps me with research. He 88 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.519 writes some of the things too as well. One book 89 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.360 we quoted quite a bit of his writing. We didn't 90 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.879 do that in Honeymoon because I wanted to take a 91 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.480 little different type of voice on this one. But Ron 92 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:26.519 is just a wealth of information for me. 93 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:30.800 Great, Great, Now for our audience, where does this story 94 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.959 primarily take place in? What era? What time are we 95 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.160 talking about? What years it took. 96 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:43.839 Place in the Actually in the mid eighties on right 97 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.639 here in southern California. She Rebecca met Bruce at the 98 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.680 old Lamorada Drive in theater which is now a swamp 99 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.199 meat in Orange County. 100 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.959 Right now, we're talking about Rebecca Salcido, and it's an 101 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.240 incredible story. Her character. Let's with her history. Where was 102 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.720 she raised, what kind of up bringing did she have? 103 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.040 Tell us about Rebecca Salcedo. 104 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.360 Rebecca's one of the most complex, multifaceted women I've ever 105 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:20.079 encountered in research. Her friends called her beautiful, fun, sexy, outrageous, generous, affectionate, 106 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:25.959 other stars, duplicitous, self centered, greedy in the evil. Rebecca 107 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:36.240 was born here in Los Angeles of Hispanic immigrants, and 108 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.959 her mother was raped and produced the first daughter, Rebecca's 109 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.879 older sister as a result of that rape in Tijuana, 110 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:49.319 and then moved up here and that man deserted her 111 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.839 and she was married again, and that marriage didn't last forever. 112 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.519 So Rebecca grew up in pretty much a dysfunctional family 113 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.160 with a lot of strain in the household. She and 114 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:04.160 her sisters and get well. Her mother was a nurse, 115 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.279 worked as a nurse, but was hooked on prescription drugs 116 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.600 and spent a lot of time in her bedroom while 117 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.959 the sisters pretty much ran the house. So it wasn't 118 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.399 a happy childhood. And I don't know if we can 119 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.680 say use that as the abuse excuse or not, as 120 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:22.959 many criminals who say they grew up in a poor environment. 121 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.040 Now, one thing you haven't talked about is her Okay, 122 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.439 say hear her upbringing, but what did she develop into? 123 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.720 What type of character? She obviously was an attractive woman, 124 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.519 you can see as in the cover on the book. 125 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.279 But she what did she realize if she didn't realize 126 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.720 too many things, and what did she realize early on? 127 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.959 And how did that affect her character development? 128 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:52.279 Well, her good looks and her incredible body. It became 129 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:57.120 her path through an existence to wealth. She learned soon 130 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.519 at the age of about twelve or thirteen, when she 131 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:04.120 into a woman's body, that men would give her just 132 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.600 about anything she wanted if she behaved in certain ways. 133 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.199 And she did, and she had she had no trouble 134 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:14.639 at all displaying those wars. But she also developed a 135 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.639 gregarious personality that attracted not only men, but women, and 136 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:20.959 I mean men and women in any way you want 137 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:26.800 to imagine. She saw that she could get just by 138 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:28.800 the things she wanted. One one man even let her 139 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.639 drive a Lamborghini that he owned, and no one knows 140 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.519 what she was doing for that. She learned really early 141 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.279 to use her female wiles and her figure to get 142 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.559 what she wanted. She was by the way. She was 143 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:44.320 once married, but only to provide an immigrant with a 144 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.559 green card, and she treated that that marriage is no 145 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.600 more important than a yard sale transaction, right right. 146 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.399 And she also, if an early age looked much much 147 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.039 older than her age as well, which she did which 148 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.519 helped her or didn't help in a particular case. And 149 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.120 so what was she doing, say, after her teenage life? 150 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:11.000 But what age would we find her previous to? And 151 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.799 we'll get into right away talking about and one of 152 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.120 the other characters, Bruce Clayland. But let's talk about, say 153 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.000 her at twenty years old. Where was she at in 154 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.320 her life? What was she doing, what was her occupation? 155 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.720 Was she going to school? Tell us what she was 156 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:25.000 actually doing at that time. 157 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:27.200 Well, let's back up a little further. She had at 158 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:31.320 about thirteen or fourteen, she was going to a school, 159 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:34.360 a makeup school so she could because she didn't do 160 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.320 well that year in school. And that's where she met 161 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.559 her best friend. It looks like Bertha when you read it, 162 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.080 but it's pronounced better. That there's a prominent character in 163 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.000 our book here. Then as they grew in the friend, 164 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.720 you know, they became friends. And then Rebecca was very 165 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.200 involved with a lot of men, and she produced a 166 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.639 young boy, a son, and she didn't know who the 167 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.559 father was was exactly, and she found out while she 168 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:07.080 was in jail and watching in prison for a drug conviction, 169 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.399 and she she conducted her friend Bertha. I'm gonna call 170 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:14.039 her birth I'm not gonna try that better little way, okay, 171 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.039 so Bertha, shekna. Bertha said, could you send me some 172 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.519 pictures of the man I've been dating, so i'll ty 173 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.960 can figure ot which one is the father. So that 174 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.919 gives you a pretty pretty capsualized picture of what Rebecca 175 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:26.440 really was. 176 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.279 Right now, you talk about this Bertha, this is she's 177 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.919 important to the story because she's with her at an 178 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.200 early age and this is conceivably the very best friend, 179 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.679 the person that knows her the best, and we'll say 180 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.480 her very very closest friend. So that's why she's very 181 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.960 important of all to this story. Isn't she exactly? That's correct, 182 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:48.480 Bertha was. 183 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:55.039 But Bertha was extremely intelligent, bright, articulate, also Hispanic heritage, 184 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:59.360 but she had a level head. And that's what Bertha said. 185 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:04.960 She felt like was attractive to Rebecca that she sort 186 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.559 of kept her on the straight and narrow as much 187 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.120 as she could. 188 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:14.480 Now, what was the relationship with Rebecca and her other sisters? Dolores, 189 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.360 one of her sisters, is a primary figure in this 190 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:18.879 story as well. Tell us a little bit about the 191 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.080 relationship with her other siblings thought it. 192 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.919 Was a terribly fractious relationship, and Birth explained to me 193 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:30.679 that the girls were just constantly each other's throats. They 194 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.039 slept with each other's boyfriends just to make the other 195 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.320 one jealous. They were in constant competition with one another. 196 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.000 No peace, no serenity in that household at all, just warfare. 197 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:49.320 Wow. And so again, now that we've caught up a 198 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.840 little bit, as time goes on, what is her goals 199 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.720 in life? I means you say she's easily can manipulate 200 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.919 men to get whatever she wants. What is her goals 201 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:02.000 in life? What is her occupation she'd believe she wants 202 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:03.279 to do with her life? 203 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.600 Well, I don't think she ever had any real goals. 204 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.360 She was a day to day exist and she had 205 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.279 a few minor jobs, and Bertha got her a few jobs. 206 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.279 One of them was at a company where Bertha was 207 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:17.600 doing white collar work, and she got Rebecca a job 208 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.440 as some helper. But Rebecca thought she would use her 209 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:28.080 lovely figure to enchant the boss stepped out of a 210 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:32.559 restroom with her blouse open, and as Bertha explained, everything 211 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.039 popped out. The boss was just absolutely furious since I'd 212 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.240 get her out of here, and she got fired from 213 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.480 that one. So I don't think she had many goals 214 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.720 as far as profession. When she met Bruce, she was 215 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.759 working at a company that made spices and bottled them 216 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:56.279 in interesting rectangular shaped jars. And Rebecca managed to smuggle 217 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.200 a few of those from her employer and take them 218 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.960 to the swamp meat and sell there for a little 219 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.960 extra profit. And that's where she met Bruce. 220 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.440 So she was hustling at that point. Now tell us, 221 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:11.600 tell us about Bruce Cleland. You called the chapter and 222 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.000 I don't know if if this is your idea, but 223 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.600 I would think it might be that the evolution of 224 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.960 a male virgin, and you can tell me why you 225 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.720 titled it that. But what was his background? What was 226 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.519 his family life of Bruce Cleland? 227 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.559 Bruce grew up in a an upper middle class home 228 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.519 in South Pasadena, just very nice down the earth, salt 229 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.519 of the earth, of people who were with a fair 230 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:37.759 amount of wealth. One one sister, one older sister. But Bruce, 231 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:42.200 unfortunately he didn't have He wasn't born with the good looks. 232 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.039 I pointed out that if anyone remembers the funny character 233 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.840 in the Old Laughing series called tiny Tim. Right, yes, Unfortunately, 234 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.679 poor Bruce in high school excuse me, bo a quite 235 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.200 a resemblance to Tiny Tim. It made him extremely self 236 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.480 conscious about his looks, so he just was. He became 237 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.639 afraid to approach girls at all. They pretty much shunned him, 238 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.039 ignored him, laughed at him. So he concentrated him academics. 239 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.639 He was a very very bright kid, straight a's belonged 240 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:17.960 as a. Was a four year member of the the 241 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.480 group of the kids who achieve all the high grades. 242 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:26.480 He got a scholarship through college and eventually graduated with 243 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:35.879 a master's degree from Stanford University in computer software engineering. 244 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:42.039 Right right now, you say again, you say the the 245 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.279 evolution of a male virgin. You're saying he's shy. Now 246 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.759 he goes to college. I guess his life changes. He does? 247 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.840 Does he does he outgrow any of this sort of 248 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.960 nerdy looks of how does his life continue? 249 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.240 Well, actually he did involve to a fairly decent looking man, 250 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.399 but I don't think he understood that. By the time 251 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.399 he reached age forty two when he met when he 252 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.600 meat Rebecca, he still was hadn't had any experience with 253 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:12.200 women at all. He became extremely frugal during those years 254 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:18.919 working up in Silicon Valley for computer firms and doing 255 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.440 international work, actually undercover work across the various continents for 256 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:29.519 the government. But Bruce became extremely frugal, invested all of 257 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:31.759 his money and had accrued quite a bit of wealth 258 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.159 by the time he was forty two. 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You say he's likely a virgin. 284 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.480 He has no virtually no experience with any women at all. 285 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:59.840 And how I've described the day that Bruce Clayland meets again. 286 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.639 He's with his father that day, isn't he and tell 287 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.200 us about the meeting and what exactly happened and how 288 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.119 it all came to be that these two people would meet. 289 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.079 Well, Bruce and his father are strolling wrong along in 290 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:16.160 this colorful swamp meat which just every kind of vendor 291 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.960 in there at all, I think, I said, from tortillas 292 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:25.079 to tires in there, colorful Mexican flags, music playing in 293 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.880 the background. A very very interesting place to visit. Ron 294 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.720 and I went over and strolled through there just to 295 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.160 see what the ambiance of it was. Bruce and his 296 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.240 father are strolling along, and he spots this rather attractive, 297 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:42.240 a ruptuous woman selling spices from interesting jars, and something 298 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.319 struck Bruce hard, just something like I guess Cupid shotting 299 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.240 with an arrow. At that point, he told his father 300 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.720 and surprised his father, AM messy, bessying, I'm going to 301 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.680 go back and talk to that girl. His father was 302 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.839 gobsmacked and just stood and looked at with big eyes. 303 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.319 And Bruce actually went back and started a conversation with Rebecca, 304 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:07.480 and she saw dollar signs. So they talked for a while, 305 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.680 and it later turned out that she was trying to 306 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.759 find out as much she could about him because in 307 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.880 the company where she worked, she had access to credit records. 308 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.279 And when she told some of her friends the next day, 309 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.359 I've met the man I'm going to marry and let 310 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.559 me show you something. They thought she was going to 311 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.720 show a picture. Instead, she pulls out his credit report. 312 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:35.000 Wow, Wow, what did she well before I go that? 313 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:39.200 What did What did Bruce's family think of Rebecca or 314 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.119 just the idea that he met this woman? What did 315 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.559 he say to his father? Did he did he say, listen, 316 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:45.839 I got her number, or I've set up a date? 317 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.240 What was what was that conversation with his father about 318 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.200 that meeting with Rebecca. 319 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.079 I don't think they had much of a conversation, but 320 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.119 his father was, you know, absolutely amazed and rather pleased 321 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.599 to see his son flirting, trying to set up a 322 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.039 date with the woman. And even though they the father 323 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.880 strongly suspected that Rebecca wasn't exactly the type of woman 324 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:09.519 he would like to see his son get involved with, 325 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.880 he still was pleased that something was happening. So they were, 326 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.119 and when he went home and told his wife, Bruce's mother, 327 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.440 they were pretty pleased to see something with some possible 328 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.480 future for their son. 329 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.319 Now, you talked about her going to her co workers 330 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:30.839 and showing the credit report as opposed to showing a 331 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.880 photo of the men. So she said, this is the 332 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.559 man she's going to marry. Other than those people at work, 333 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.839 did she have a conversation with her sister about Bruce 334 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.279 or about with Berta or Bertha? Did she have conversations 335 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:45.559 with them immediately after meeting Bruce. 336 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.279 Both, yeah, her sister and Bertha. And she said this 337 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.480 is the man I'm going to marry. But she also added, 338 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.680 I'm going to take him for everything he's worth and 339 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.599 I'm going to be set for life and that showed 340 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.400 pretty much the type of woman she was. Was not 341 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.039 a sudden falling in love by her. I mean, if 342 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.519 Bruce was in love, but that was one thing. She 343 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.519 was not in love. She was in greed. 344 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.319 Now what did her friend Bertha say, and what did 345 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.559 her sister say in response to I mean, obviously she's 346 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:20.160 manipulated men for all kinds of things, but to have 347 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.240 that kind of I'm going to take every everything he's 348 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.240 everything that he's worth, and also I'm going to marry 349 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.880 this man. What what was Dolores's response or sister and 350 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.599 what was Birtha's response to that? 351 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:36.240 Well, both of them were pretty skeptical and pretty rather appalled. 352 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.240 They thought, well, that's a that's not a very good 353 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.079 way to approach this idea of meeting a man he 354 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:47.000 only want his money, And but Rebecca was pretty persistent, 355 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.039 and so that's that's what I'm after him. That's what 356 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:50.799 I want, and I want to be sad for life, 357 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.640 and I'll marry him and and he'll get me anything 358 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.160 I want. And as it turned out, I told you 359 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:01.359 that Bruce was quite a frugal character. Right a parcle happened. 360 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.000 He made a complete about face one hundred and eighty 361 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:10.039 degree turned and started buying her things, being extremely generous 362 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:13.039 with her. She lived in a small, very small house 363 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:17.079 in a rough neighborhood, and he went in and bought 364 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.799 new furniture for her and her little boy. She wanted 365 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:24.519 a hot tub, he bought that for her. He bought 366 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.000 her a boat and a trailer to go with it. 367 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.720 And he stunned. He stunned his parents and his sister 368 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.759 who was married by then, and his brother in law. 369 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.880 And this was his whole circle of social circle was 370 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.839 where his parents and his sister and brother in law, 371 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.559 and they were just absolutely amazed what happened to him. 372 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:49.599 And while they were skeptical about it, and they still 373 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.200 felt good that he was changing and that might he 374 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:54.039 might have a woman in his life. 375 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:58.839 So just despite their he had enough money he certainly 376 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:01.599 could do whatever he wanted. The overall it looked like 377 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.799 Bruce was enjoying himself. That he wasn't the happiest, go 378 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:07.680 lucky guy in the whole world despite all of his 379 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.200 financial success and business success. He saw a real change 380 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.000 in him as a result of meeting Rebecca. And they 381 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:19.279 were good with that because of that, correct, they said. 382 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:24.319 You know, and I heard that later, he reports that 383 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.839 he was just he was an absolute heaven. He was 384 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:31.480 his personality change as well. He was happy and whistling 385 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:34.400 and singing and looking forward to every moment he could 386 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.480 be with Rebecca. And that's what makes this whole damn tragedy. 387 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.880 Actually, yeah, absolutely, Now, what did Rebecca manage to convince 388 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:44.480 Bruce to do in a short period of time. He 389 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.160 talked about the boat, and I wanted to make sure 390 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:50.680 the audience realizes too, these weren't exactly ideas that Bruce 391 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:53.039 came up with about the boat. This was from the 392 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:55.759 prodding of Rebecca. I need this, I need this, I 393 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.119 expect this. And at the same time we got a 394 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.480 bear in mind that she did tell Bruce drew some 395 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:06.920 lines on terms of his idea of well not romance. 396 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.319 But maybe you can tell the audience what her rules 397 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.000 were and what she expected, what she told them in 398 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:17.119 terms of, you know, in terms of her moral code. 399 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.400 Well, that just seems a very good point. You make 400 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.519 a very good question she had. Obviously, as I've mentioned, 401 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.920