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your eyes and my I'm the beast and it happened.

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Speaker 2: Holding no bias, drink you're a massive.

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Speaker 4: How fine?

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Speaker 5: Becking me all may be? Tell me.

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Speaker 1: Falling under phone? If that's snipulates it the best funes cycle.

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Speaker 6: See you flying nonst falling nonos, falling no nose, but.

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Speaker 6: You'll be fine.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to play bring trying to control me how

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Speaker 1: Try me be telling me bring falling under phone? And

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that's stipulating the best on the cycle of this set

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in control falling London, scipuls.

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Speaker 6: Falling nunders, fallen unders, fallen unders, fallen under.

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Speaker 5: Fallen unders.

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Speaker 3: That is falling under the newest from awaiting Abigail to

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open up this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed and we did

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Speaker 4: It's a big day, but welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from

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the studios of w m n H ninety five point three,

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Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course you can stream

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the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com

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slash live for all of your live streaming options, social

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media links, contact and poshow archives, et cetera, et cetera.

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Today is Saturday, March seven, twenty twenty six, and I

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Speaker 4: Alone Jenny.

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Speaker 5: Morning Sunshine.

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Speaker 3: So Jenny is here of course at the news table.

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And uh oh, do you want to mention your your

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hat for those who are watching the video feed. You're

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not usually leaving on camera during the show. You you've

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been nowhere to but you're on your that's right. You

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know how to hide, but you're not hiding this week.

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Speaker 5: I'm proud of my fee. Yes, I've been playing with

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perche uh huh, and yes it's my Norwegian hat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, very nice your faver color too. It is

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it is read. It is my favorite color. That is true.

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Speaker 5: I have a lot of fun making and I'm actually

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making a few more just because they're fun to make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, very good.

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Speaker 3: So uh, we will talk about awaiting Abigail in a

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couple of minutes, but we should mentioned first, Uh the

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Mosaic of course, Mosaic Art Collective.

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Speaker 5: My favorite gallery.

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Speaker 3: You have yet another piece that is going to be

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shown in an upcoming show at Mosaic here in Manchester.

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Speaker 5: Yes, women Wise is the next exhibit, and that is

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I'm proud to have a piece in it. This is

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one that they're actually have done in collaboration.

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Speaker 4: Forgive me, is it it's it's Women's month? Right or

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what do we call it Women's month? For Women's month?

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Speaker 5: Women's month?

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Speaker 4: Isn't it Women's month? Isn't that?

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Speaker 7: Why?

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Speaker 4: Why word?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 4: It's women's reason?

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Speaker 3: They said it last night during Sporting History months, Women's

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History months. It is probably there's there's so many months

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Speaker 5: And the woman Whise opening reception is coming up on Saturday,

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March fourteenth from five pm to seven pm. Please come

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It is about equality then and equality now. It's looking

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at women and the legacy of solidarity and self determination

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and the ongoing fight for justice. So it's an exciting

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show for certain. The Mosaic Art Collective work in conjunction

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exciting and thrilling to get a piece into a durid show.

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It's a confidence booster there that I'm finding I'm achieving now.

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really would put something of mine on the wall. And

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these these are amazing. So there's there's a part of

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that that's it's like a part of yourself that you're

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up that was about healthcare justice and the Mosaic Art

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what they found intriguing about it and the things that

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it through somebody else's side. So I highly encourage you

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to hear me. If you're an artist, definitely check out

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the Mosaic Art Collective. The next call is uh is.

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The next open call forgive me is called clear to Me,

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and this is a meditation on light and shadow and

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the quiet power of what surrounds the form. So it's

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playing with light and dark and shadows and so forth.

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at twelve am, So think about focusing on negative spaces

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and balancing the light and the dark. And definitely, if

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you're an artist, please enter your work. It's not expensive

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scholarships to enter in their pieces of work. If you

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you can see there all of the calls when there's

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something open. It's super easy to put a piece in,

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easy to fill out form, just some basic information about

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it and you can put it in an artist statement

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if you want to, but you're not required to. It's

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optional and it's a great place to check out. Community

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wise too. Up Coming at the Mosaic Art Collection our

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the Dshon Community Art Wall, and that is going to

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be on view for a little while longer. But I

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wanted to also share with you that they do events,

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not just putting pictures on the wall, but inviting you

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community environment having a studio. So they have community studio

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nights where you can join people who are you, bring

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something you're working on, or just show up. There's going

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to be some materials there. You can talk to other artists,

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check out what they're working on, and get feedback if

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people their opinions on things. So it's a great opportunity

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mosaic Arcollective dot com website and always be aware that

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there are other things. Matt and I recently went there

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and we were part of a community event where they

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were talking about how art reflects humanity and how it

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connects into parts of our history to present day. And

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these three people really just tried to bring to life

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the things that encourage them to create art or give

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them a reason to. You know, some people like when

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I create. Now, some artists are professional artists, are creating

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works that they are wanting to sell perhaps or maybe

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something else. But for some of us, like for me,

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I'm just an amateur. I just like to create, and

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it's not about whether I'm gonna sell the painting or not.

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will say that it is amazing to have something sell

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off of the gallery walls and a portion of that

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goes back to the gallery, so it gives you a

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little bit more connection there. But just to be able

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to create something that's powerful or means something to you,

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or brings out something for you. So a lot for

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me is healthcare and advocacy and those are the you know,

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the things that I'm involved in are maybe helping people

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fight their insurance to get their treatments. That comes out

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in my art and as well as illness as well

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as being somebody who is never going to be healthy again.

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I have incurable ailments and that reflects into the art

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and when you connect to somebody else over it, it's

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really amazing. And we experience that with musicians.

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Speaker 4: All the time, right, you know, we talk about that

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all the time on the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, something that they say and how it connects into

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you and just brings you into that song and you

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have a deeper for you. It brings that meaning to you.

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listen when we're angry or when we're sad. But it's

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amazing to connect with an artist. And you can do that,

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whether as a painting on the wall, whether it's a

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statue creation, some people do ceramics or alternative media. At

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woman had done who had created this like birthday cake

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for America with two hundred and fifty candles and then

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she wrote point and information on each and every one

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of those candles. And what was interesting too about her

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piece was we heard her talk she's actually the plan

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is to destroy it. The end result of this art

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piece is to light those candles and capture it burning away.

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So there's more to her piece than just having it

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sit in a museum or sell. In her case, it's

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an action. Then there's power in the action that she's

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going to do and how that's going to come forward.

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who sometimes they have musicians in too that we've been

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there for when they've had musicians in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they still plan to in the future.

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Speaker 5: But it's a smaller space, so you think lower, you know,

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you know, you like, we're not going to bring a

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battle band in there, as much as they might like to.

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It's just not the space for it. But we've seen

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some interesting artists there over the years, from violinists to

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guitar players to storytellers. You just it's a great environment

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to get involved in and they can volunteer there as well,

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and be a part of things like gallery sitting, So

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hope that you will come to the next opening, Matt

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this about me. I'm

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Speaker 5: Listen you really, this is where you're gonna go with this.

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I'm just saying, this is where you're gonna go with it.

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We're exploring women's history. We're exploring how women who have

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struggled for the right to vote, who have struggled for

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uh equality in the job site, who currently struggle to

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exist in environments where it has been predominantly men, like

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in the fire service. And you're gonna go walk in

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the door. Listen to you, you are walking home. I

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have the car keys in my pocket. What you're going

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to do about that? Okay, ahead, test the one fob

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that we have one we have? Yeah, I know right,

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I won't get far. The car will like go, oh,

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there's no more farm. We're shutting off now?

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Speaker 7: Is that?

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Speaker 5: What ever? Do doesn't like to shut off? If I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I don't know.

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feel like it was March fourteenth. I just want to

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make sure people know.

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Speaker 5: I am off. I clicked on the wrong pace.

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Speaker 4: While you're looking for that.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest and say I clicked on the

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Speaker 4: I think it was the fourteenth.

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Speaker 4: Would be next next, So next Saturday, so one week

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Speaker 5: Which makes sense because you drop my painting off today.

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Speaker 4: I dropped it off two days ago. Two days ago,

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Speaker 5: I meant to say, listen, you're picking on me today.

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Speaker 4: No, you haven't had you haven't had any coffee.

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to seven pm is the Woman Wise opening reception. I

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whether or not Matt will be in the room remains

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to be seen. You might be in the doghouse. We'll

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Speaker 4: H huh. No, very exciting, very exciting, and congratulations of course.

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realize that it was very only in our parents' generation

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that women had won the right to have a quality

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in the workplace, that women have been only able to

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open a bank account without a male signature.

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Speaker 5: Women couldn't buy a house on their own or get

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a loan on their own without a male co signer.

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These things only occurred in the nineteen seventies, nineteen sixties.

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This is that is true history.

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Speaker 4: That is true.

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Speaker 3: Well, so that also relates to the show tonight. Because

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tonight and this is why I love this. This is

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why we opened within the newest single from Awaiting Abigail,

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Because tonight it's rock and women of metal. And this

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is happening at a venue that I've never been before,

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The Magic Room in Norwood, mass Mike, who is you know,

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the band dad so to speak of under the Horizon.

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wanted to put us on the guest list because it's

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all female fronted metal bands tonight. It's awaiting Abigail under

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the Horizon, Sex Coffee, who I'm not familiar with, and

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they are all opening for sepsis, and of course sepsis

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we're very familiar with and our listeners are very familiar with,

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and they're playing tonight at the Magic Room the show.

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The show is from seven to eleven, so doors open

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at six, and so Jenny and I are on the

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guest list.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I am.

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Speaker 5: Really sad about this. Do you have no idea how

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sad I am about that?

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Speaker 4: Jenny cannot go with me.

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Speaker 5: I am not allowed to go.

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Speaker 4: Do you want you want to explain?

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Speaker 5: So I got a really nasty upper respiratory thing almost

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three weeks ago. Yeah, and it so it somehow got

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into my ear and I developed an ear infection for

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that happened, my ear has felt like it's underwater, it's blocked,

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and I have a very high pitch consistent tonights. That

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is horrific. So as much as I tried to figure

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out if I could put enough headsets on with ear plugs,

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I would probably end up with really bad bad tonightis

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what I have right now is really really bad.

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Speaker 4: This first before you, Yeah, and I guess it could take.

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weeks my ear has been like this, and I guess

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it could take more. It can take like six weeks

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for this to resolve. Even though I finished the antibiotics,

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you know, a week ago, I'm still stuck with this.

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Speaker 4: It's horrible.

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tone of it turning on. Yeah, if that gives you

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any dear, how profoundly deaf I am right now in

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my right ear. So I actually don't have the headset

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on my ear. We have it on the other ear

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which is actually.

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Speaker 4: How a lot of people wear their headphones anyway. In

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a radio studio, I don't. I put them both on, but.

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Speaker 5: Some you don't always put them both.

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends. It depends on what's happening in the room.

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Speaker 5: We might have one ear out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some people never put them both on. For whatever reason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so I'm not. I do not have that

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tonight is awful.

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Speaker 5: The feeling of being constantly underwater is the cut me

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walking into things like it's messing with my balance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just awful.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see a waiting Abigail because I

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wanted to see. They're a great band from Texas. They've

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been on the show, I think a couple times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but they have awesome t shirts.

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Speaker 3: Great great Texas band. But they're touring up here in

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the Northeast. Last night they were at the Stone Church.

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Speaker 5: Uh and uh not not like I get an opportunity

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to see them all the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm really sad.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 4: It's a bummer. Yeahs u Uh.

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Speaker 3: Last night they were at the Stone Church in Vermont,

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not not the New Hampshire one, but the one in Vermont.

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Mass And then I think they go back to Texas.

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But yeah, they're gonna be with uh of course under

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the Horizon who he loved. They've been on the show

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with us many times. Love them incredible live if you

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haven't seen them in a Sepsis. Of course, everyone knows

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that incredible Cepis and Sex Coffee I have not heard before.

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Speaker 5: I even had my yellow in black hair hair ties

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out ready to know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because twas not meant to be.

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Speaker 5: Very sad, and I am curious about this new band

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because new to us. To us, Sex Coffee is new

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to us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Obviously Coffee is not just my name, it's a way

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of life. So I'm super interested into hearing what that

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band is like. Yeah, I'm sure you will take good

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pictures of video for me to be able to see.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, But if you're.

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Speaker 5: Going I mean hopefully, well, actually, I'm sure I have

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no doubt there are going to be people there that

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know you. Yeah, so come up and say hi to

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Matt if you go onto the show tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because aside from Sex Coffee, therese are bands that

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have all been on the show multiple times and our

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listeners are very familiar.

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Speaker 5: We are original o G sponsors of Swarmy Fest every year.

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Speaker 4: That's true too, Swarmy Fast you were always involved in.

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Speaker 5: Yep, absolutely, which is why I have b things, huh,

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I have?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the swarm the swarm. Yeah, that's right. People

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might not know what you meant.

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Speaker 5: Well, you have to check out Stepsist to find out

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about the swarm And if you want to be a

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swarmy yes you can come to Swarmy Fest, but definitely

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go see Undo the Horizon, Waiting, Abigail Sex Coffee, and

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Stepsist tonight. That is such a great lineup yep. Yes,

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and definitely very fitting for this month, during Women's History

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Month to have all female fronted bands to entertain you

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this evening.

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Speaker 3: But I'm especially curious to see Stepsist tonight because I

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and it didn't occur to me until we were sitting

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here about to start the show. Last we knew, Uh,

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Zachie b was no longer playing bass. I don't know

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who's playing bass, So that'll be interesting.

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Speaker 5: Due to medical reasons. Yeah, the step aside, WHI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the last time they were on the show, we

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talked about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so Zak he was here, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure

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we will see him. Oh, I hope so, but yeah,

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I'm wondering what the configuration is looking. And they've got

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some new music coming that they're going to be playing,

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I'm sure. Yeah, and now they have keyboards. Yeah, Lexi

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on keyboards.

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Speaker 4: Yep, so that'll be.

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Speaker 5: Tonight, screams and yeah, I mean it's they got interesting

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vocals and that they are. They're basically three of them

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that take in parts of the vocals, take lead on

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parts of the vocals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that will be tonight. Uh we should mention too.

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Speaker 3: So coming up, if you are listening live on Saturday,

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in the second hour, we have per and Pores.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited for this.

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Speaker 4: We'll be here.

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Speaker 3: And then in the third hour we're gonna be talking

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with loud George, another great band from the UK. Very

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excited about that. We do have some music news in

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the meantime. Should we start with the Taylor Swift part

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of this?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: This involves Live Nation and Ticketmaster and lawsuits and controversies

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and and as I always say, whenever we talk about

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this stuff, you know, it seems like, uh, Live Nation

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and Ticketmaster comes up a lot on the show when

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we talk about music news and lawsuits and litigation and

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Department of Justice investigations and so forth.

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Speaker 4: They're always in the news. But this is the article

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that you sent me.

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Speaker 3: This is from UH Complete four Yeah, Complete Music Update

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dot Com.

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Speaker 4: Yep, this just this just went up a couple of

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days ago.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Barclays Center ticketing controversies prove monopolist Live

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Nation is damaging live music. Department of Justice tells jury.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The Live Nation antitrust trial got properly under way this week,

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with lawyers for the US Department of Justice and the

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Live Giant delivering their opening statements. Ticketing dramas involving Taylor

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Swift and New York's Barclays Center were a key part

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of the proceedings. So let's take a look at this. So,

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according to this article, the concert ticket industry is broken.

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In fact, the concert industry itself is broken, and because

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both concerts and ticketing are controlled by a monopolist, and

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that monopolist is Live Nation. Those were the bold words

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of US Department of Justice lawyer David Dahlquist on day

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one of the big Live Nation antitrust trial in New

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York yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Well, so this would have been the third

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because this article law went up on the fourth a trial.

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Speaker 3: The Live Giants, lawyers and lobbyists tried very hard, indeed,

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to ensure what never happen. According to the DOJ, an

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Attorneys General for forty US states. So forty US states

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are participating in this Live Nation and it's Ticketmaster subsidiary

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unlawfully exploit their market dominance at shows, venues, and ticketing

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to the detriment of artists, fans, and the wider music community.

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Live Nation strongly denies all these allegations, of course, and

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it's now for a jury to hear arguments from both

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sides and decide who is right. By the way, this

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is a side note. It is surprising, and I think

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we talked about this before that the Department of Justice

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under the current administration actually cares about any of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they but they do so good.

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Speaker 5: I'm happily surprised that that it is on the radar

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because we've talked about this for years and the artists

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are the ones who get ripped.

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Speaker 3: Off well, and you know, the consumers well, I mean

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we've talked about course that's the shady the shady practices

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of uh.

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Speaker 5: But it's like you always I always think about the

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artists like they bust their took us as they go

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from state to state, pilon and show and it's like

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they get pennies on the dollar for the tickets. The

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people are coming to see them, right, But it's the

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people selling everything that make the majority of the money. Boy,

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that sounds like healthcare.

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Speaker 4: Well they make uh, they make the money on merch.

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Merch is where the money is for the artists. It's

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not on it's not on ticket sales.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's not include it doesn't include ticket sales and

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There are some artists that try to rebel.

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Speaker 3: So it says here from the off Dolquist and the

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other Dave Live Nations legal Rep. Dave Marriott of Latham

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and Watkins Watkins, ll P began the battle of the

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stats because both Daves have stats to hand, uh to hand,

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which they claim prove that they are right. Yes, both

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sides are represented by Dave, both of whom claim the

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stats back up their case, which isn't at all confusing.

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According to DOJ Dave aka mister Dahlquist, the author of

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this article was having.

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Speaker 4: A little too much fun with this, Dave.

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Speaker 5: That's a little too much.

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Speaker 4: Little it's actually a little annoying. It makes a thing.

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Speaker 5: It is not helpful.

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Speaker 3: According to Dajo, DOJ Dave aka mister Dlquist, Live Nation

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controls eighty six percent of large concert ticketing in the oh,

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that's not a monopoly of large concert two No, not

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at all in the US and seventy eight percent of

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the country's amphitheater venues, which we can all agree sounds

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like something we should be worried about. But of ticketing

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at large, Ticketmaster has a forty percent market share and

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for venues twenty percent. Live Nation Dave or mister Marriott

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countered one of Live's Nation's key arguments is that the

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DOJ is slice the entertainment market up into artificial segments

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in order to make it look like the Live Giant

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is much more dominant than it really is. It seems

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likely that this stat bickering will continue throughout the trial,

506
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though what jury's really like His stories and yesterday's opening

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statements had two good stories to tell, which illustrate the

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tangible negative impact of Live Nations monopoly or not, depending

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on which Dave you believe.

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Speaker 4: Story one.

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Speaker 3: Once upon a time, there was an arena venue in

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New York called the Barclays Center, and one day it

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decided to change its ticketing provider from Ticketmaster to seat Geek,

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except the next day, well about eighteen months later, it

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switched back to Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 4: So what happened?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know there was an angry phone call

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involving Live Nation CEO Michael Rapino. But did Live Nation

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actually use its dominance in arena level touring to force

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the arena to return to its ticketing business or was

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seat geek just not up to the task for providing

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primary ticketing for New York's big arena venue. So, in

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other words, you know, did Live Nation somehow strong arm

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the Barclays Center and in doing so, did they potentially

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do something illegal? So, getting back to the article, according

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to DOJ lawyer Dohlquist, while management at Barclays Center wanted

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to use seat geek for their ticketing, it became very

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clear of that quote if they didn't use Ticketmaster, Live

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Nation's touring division wouldn't send them any concerts unquote. So basically,

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when Barclay Center moved its ticketing to seat geek, quote,

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Live Nation punished them and they were forced to go

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back to Ticketmaster unquote.

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Speaker 4: Before we go.

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Speaker 3: Any further, that raises a question, is that is that

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where is the line between between just being hardball hardcore

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business people. Where's the line between that and just being

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outright predatory? And I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 5: I think they crossed it a while ago. I think

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they are predatory.

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Speaker 3: Is is that but that example, specifically, Okay, you're not

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going to use our ticketing business. We're just not going

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to send you anymore because we're this powerful. We're just

543
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not going to send you any more big shows, right?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 4: I mean? Technically, are you going? Is your order here?

546
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Your coffee order? Yes, okay, Jenny's going to get her

547
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coffee order. But I just but I just I pose

548
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that question, like, like.

549
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Speaker 3: Where is the line between you know, just playing hardball

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and actually doing something that would be considered predatory and

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therefore potentially illegal or at least leaving you vulnerable in

552
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some sort of civil action. I asked that question. I'm

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not a legal expert of any kind. Uh So I

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don't know the answer. I'm just asking, and I guess

555
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,799
you know it's subjective. But okay, getting back to the article.

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Speaker 4: But the Live Nation chief.

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Speaker 3: Never threatened to stop concerts being promoted by his company's

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Story division from being staged at the New York Arena

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and the Barclay Center ultimately returned to Ticketmaster quote not

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because of any threats, but because seat geek fell down

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on the job unquote. Okay, story number two. Once upon

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a time there was a singer called Taylor Swift who

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decided to sing some of her songs on an airas tour.

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She appointed Ticketmaster to send her tickets, but on the

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day the tickets went on sale, Oh to sell her

566
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tickets rather, But on the day the tickets went on sale,

567
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everything crashed, resulting in a lot of very angry Swift fans.

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I remember that we talked about that on the show,

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Oh Dear. But here's the question. Did it all go

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wrong because the Live Nation ticketing company got complacent because

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it enjoys a virtual monopoly over concert ticketing and as

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a result failed to build a decent it infrastructure. Or

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was the demand for Swift's tickets, including from dubious bot

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using ticket touts, at an unprecedented high and there isn't

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a ticketing platform in the world that could have copied

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in those circumstances. By the way, I tend to think that,

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you know, I mean, if anyone has the necessary infrastructure

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to handle the demand for a big tour like that,

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it would be Live Nation and Ticketmaster, right, So probably

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the there just isn't a ticketing platform in the world

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that could have handled that without crashing. But I do

582
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remember we covered that on the show. Okay, continuing on

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with the article, well, according to Dohlquist, the Swift debacle

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was simply emblematic of a company that has little competitive

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incentive to build a consumer friendly ticketing product that is

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fit for purpose. He said, quote, their technology is held

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together by duct tape. They have prioritized growth over maintaining

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their systems unquote. And by the way, that's very common,

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very common in business. A lot of tech companies or

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companies that rely on tech will do that, you know.

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They they they're so focused on growing and growing and

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growing their market share that maybe some of their infrastructure

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is left to not keep up with what they're trying

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to do, and they you know, and sometimes websites crash

595
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as a result of it.

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Speaker 4: It happens. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So Marriott countered that, yes, the Taylor Swift launch was

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a debacle, and Ticketmaster never has denied that fact.

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Speaker 4: But this was the single largest on sale ever for

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her tour.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and the cyber attacks by touts and other

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rogue parties created challenges that no other ticketing company could

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have dealt with.

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Speaker 4: Any better.

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Speaker 3: The Barclay Center bust up and Taylor Swift the Taylor

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Swift on sale are likely to be referenced throughout the trial,

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with the DOJ keen to present these events as tangible

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proof of live Music's monopoly problem, while Live Nation will

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insist these are instead incidents that have been misrepresented. Ultimately,

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the case swings on whether there is enough evidence to

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show that Live Nation routinely ties its venue management, tour promotions,

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and ticketing services together in a way that specifically violates

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US laws at a federal or state level. Though a

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jury is involved, the stats and stories will likely be

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a key part of the narrative as the proceedings progress

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and the two daves present their respective arguments. Okay, now

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we have a second article.

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Speaker 4: That kind of.

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Speaker 3: Expands on that because it's directly related to that. Now,

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00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,360
this is from Digital Music News, which is one of

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,079
my favorite websites to get music news from. Check this out,

622
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,079
and it's got kind of a provocative title to this article.

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What is Live Nation retaliation insurance? You don't want to know?

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00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:30,119
That's that's the title of this article. Yeah, yeah, so

625
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,519
you know, because we're talking about Live Nation and there

626
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:39,280
what could be considered predatory business practices. Okay, and again

627
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
this is from Digital Musicnews dot com. Former BSEE Global

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CEO John Abemont. I should have pre read this, Abamandi,

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I think isn't the only one to deliver testimony that

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00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,760
Live Nation retaliated when his venue explored a compelling I'm sorry,

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a competing proposal. Here's the latest with the federal antitrust lot.

632
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So again, this referred to the article. This refers to

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the lawsuit we were talking about in the other article.

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With the federal antitrust trial against Live Nation and Ticketmaster

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in full swing, venue owners are testifying that Live Nation

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weaponized major tour dates to keep them from switching their

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ticketing to a competitor.

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Speaker 4: Again, like seat Geek, the Barclay Center tried to do.

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Digital Music News.

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Speaker 3: Covered testimony from former BSE Global CEO John Abamandi relating

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to a planned Billie Eilish show at the Barclay Center

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that Live Nation allegedly rug pulled. Now Mitch Helgerson, chief

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revenue officer for the Minnesota Wild, has lobbied so I'm sorry,

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has lobbed similar allegations against the Live Events Juggernaut. According

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to Helgerson when is Music Venue explored a proposal from

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Live Nation competitor Seat Geek during contract negotiations, a Ticketmaster

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executive warned him that Live Nation could just move its

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shows to a competing ve Helgerson called this a credible

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threat and noted that losing those shows would have been catastrophic.

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And again, I just raised the question, is that is

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that just hardball, hardball business tactics, or is that does

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that cross the line?

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Speaker 4: Is it predatory? When Sekhek heard the news, they were

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apparently keenly aware of Live Nation strategy, offering the wild

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what it literally referred to as a Live Nation retaliation insurance,

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that is, a promise to compensate the venue if concerts

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were pulled. Well, good on see Geek for stepping up,

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I guess, but how do you uh, how do you

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even do that? Though?

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Speaker 3: How how could they put like, if all these events

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are pulled, how are they going to compensate the venue?

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Speaker 4: Interesting? But even with that, getting back.

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Speaker 3: To the article, but even with that offer, and even

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though the Sea Geek proposal would have ranked would have

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raked in an additional million dollars a year for the venue,

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the while hockey team ultimately chose to stay with Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 4: Still, the most damning part.

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Speaker 3: Is that if seat geek has a policy it refers to,

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even colloquially as Live Nation retaliation insurance, then the company's

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reputation as a monopoly seems correctly placed. Of course, Live

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Nation has fervently pushed back against these allegations. In the

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similar ones posited by Abamandi on cross examination, there was

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a lot of emphasis on the complexity of switching ticketing platforms,

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that seat geek had real usability shortcomings. In that Abamandi's case,

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00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:43,480
he already had personal relationships with seat Geek execs. However,

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none of this explains why the Billie Eilis show in

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New York ended up twenty miles away after so called

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thinly veiled frets from Live Nation and Ticketmaster. Nor does

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it explain why the Minnesota Wild would leave a million

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dollars a year on the table if not out of

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fear of retaliation. It's only been the first week of

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the trial, which is expected to last about six weeks.

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Time will tell if the jury ultimately agrees with the

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government's assertion that Live Nation has in fact becomes such

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a dominant force that it can essentially bully the rest

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of the industry into taking a knee. But if Abamandi

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and Helgerson's testimonies are any indication, the first week isn't

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looking good for Live Nation. So that is from Digitalmusicnews

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dot com. And again you know the Live Nation and

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Ticketmaster there. For as long as I can remember, this

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is not a recent thing. For as long as I

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00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,840
can remember, they've always been in the news attached to

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some sort of controversy investigation, very often over over predatory

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00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:55,960
business practices or alleged predatory business practices. One more little

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00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,559
bit of a piece to this. This is not directly

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00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:05,480
relate to this specific trial, but this is from Music

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00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:06,920
Businessworldwide dot com.

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Speaker 4: It does relate to ticketing.

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Speaker 3: Music industry groups push us Senate to Titan Ticket Act

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and cap resale fees at ten percent. So this is short,

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but this will kind of put a put a cap

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pun fully intended in this case on this what we've

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been talking about this morning. So again this is from

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00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Music Business Worldwide dot com, one of my favorite websites

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00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,119
for music industry news. By the way, this is another

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00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,480
great site if you're interested in this stuff. A group

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of music and live music Organizations is pressing the Senate

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to titan federal ticketing legislation, arguing that the current version

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of the Ticket Act is insufficient in protecting fans.

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Speaker 4: The fix.

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Speaker 3: The TICS coalition, led by the National Independent Venue Association,

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wrote an open letter to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science,

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and Transportation calling for changes to the Ticket Act. The

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letter was addressed to Chairman Ted Cruz, ranking Member Maria Cantwell,

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Subcommittee Chairman Marsha Blackburn, and ranking Member John Hickenlooper. They wrote, quote,

716
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,480
when federal policy falls short, fans pay the price. They

717
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,559
lose money and cur unnecessary travel costs and waste time.

718
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,159
They missed the show they planned around, and they often

719
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,840
blame the artists, venue, or team rather than the reseller

720
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:33,519
or platform that misled them. Meanwhile, scalpers and speculative sellers

721
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,920
assume none of the risk and face few meaningful consequences.

722
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,519
Unquote and by the way, just to just to you know,

723
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,960
remind people if you don't know when we're talking about

724
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,800
resellers and scalpers, you know there's all these we call

725
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,280
them the secondary market. Very often, when these tickets go

726
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,480
on sale through Live Nation and Ticketmaster, you might notice,

727
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,519
and this has been going on literally for decades. Shows

728
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,679
seem to sell out, big, big tours, seem to sell

729
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,639
out very very quickly, And you might ask yourself, how

730
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,079
is it possible that these shows sell out so quickly,

731
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,960
even with the Internet, how can so many people log

732
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,559
on and buy so many tickets at once? Well, very

733
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,760
often it's it's it's these resellers, these secondary market ticket sellers,

734
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,199
who buy up a lot of tickets and then once

735
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,559
the show is quote unquote sold out, now, all of

736
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,480
a sudden, these secondary market resellers, Oh they've got tickets

737
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,880
at a significantly higher price, but they've got tickets for you.

738
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,239
So it is a form of skelping. They are, it

739
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,119
is a form of scalping. They use bots to buy

740
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:45,079
up tickets. Ticketmaster, for their part, they have policies that

741
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,039
you can only buy so many tickets at a time.

742
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,159
But as we've discussed on the show, it is no

743
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,679
secret that those policies are not necessarily consistently enforced by

744
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,320
the very technology that is supposed to prevent scalpers and

745
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,280
bots from buying up all these tickets at once. So

746
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,840
it's a dirty business. The ticketing business is a dirty business.

747
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 5: I can remember when I was a kid, going with

748
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:13,000
my mom and camping out on the sidewalk in a

749
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:16,760
line with other people outside a ticket master, waiting for

750
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,400
the moment that the door would open. And back in

751
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,719
the day, the only way you could buy tickets was

752
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,559
in person or on the phone, so it was harder

753
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,559
for scalpers. They still did it.

754
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,119
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they still did it, but it was.

755
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 5: Harder on them because you only had those two avenues.

756
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,400
And you know, I did this with my mom. We

757
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,360
went to see Prince. It was the most amazing experience.

758
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,360
But nowadays, with the technology, they should be able to

759
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,599
tell like, okay, IP address, we've got bots here because

760
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,880
so and so. You know, there's like four bots in

761
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,239
here buying X number of tickets at the same time

762
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,079
from the same IP address. But that doesn't necessarily happen.

763
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:03,039
And do they really care? Do they really care? Because

764
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,559
what they want is a fast buck. They want the

765
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,960
biggest profit that they can get. They want every ticket

766
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,639
to sell. Absolutely. So as long as they're selling, hey,

767
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,239
they're meeting their their margins. You know, they're making their profit.

768
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,920
And the heck with the venue, you know, to heck

769
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,800
with the with the band, to heck with the people,

770
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,440
because you know it sounds like healthcare. You know, it's

771
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,079
the big guys. These guys have multimillion dollar salaries. They

772
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,800
make a ton of money. You know, there's shareholders that

773
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,800
they make a ton of money. And it's always about

774
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:37,800
how much more can you make me? How much more

775
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,159
can you make me? Because it's never enough. Then, you know,

776
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,039
million dollar profit not enough, make me more? Five million

777
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,079
dollar profit not enough, make me more. That's what happens.

778
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,639
And they don't care. I don't believe that they care.

779
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,840
And the reason I say that is because I can

780
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,559
remember for all of my adult life, this has been

781
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:00,880
a topic consistently. There's been core case after corek, There's

782
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,199
been DJ investigations nationally as well as states. We've been

783
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,039
talking about this and hearing about this for as long

784
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:13,000
as Ticketmaster has existed. Yes, yes, and they have consistently

785
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:16,360
gotten away and found way is to skirt around the

786
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,679
laws that they have the monopoly on sales of tickets.

787
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,199
Speaker 4: Period.

788
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 5: They just do. That's a fact.

789
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,639
Speaker 4: Even Pearl Jam had to back down in the nineties

790
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:27,400
when they tried to.

791
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: They tried, they tried, and they're not the artists that

792
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,119
have said, well, I'm not going to sell my tickets

793
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,119
to them because I don't like the way they do business.

794
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,079
And they try, they try, but then they end up

795
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,800
having to go back. Why because all the venues are

796
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,599
using that and they're not giving them there's no alternative

797
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,840
way for them to do it. That they get to

798
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,039
hold this monopoly. They have a stranglehold on ticket sales.

799
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,800
And I find it interesting. Did you get to the

800
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,280
bottom part. I don't know if I missed. Did you

801
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,840
get to the bottom part of that article?

802
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: No?

803
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,599
Speaker 4: About halfway through?

804
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,559
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, I'm going to hold off on my additional comment.

805
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,639
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, a little bit more to this again.

806
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,320
This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com. So it says

807
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,440
the push comes over a month after a January twenty

808
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,920
eight Senate Committee Herey Subcommittee hearing where Blackburn led a

809
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,079
panel of lawmakers and pressing Live Nation to do more

810
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,480
to clamp down on ticket scalping. Live Nations Executive vice

811
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,360
president of Corporate and Regulatory Affairs Dan Wall was present

812
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,960
at the hearing, alongside musician Kid Rock and other stakeholders

813
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,360
the coalition, whose signatories include the Recording Academy SAG. After

814
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,920
a event, Bright and American Federation of Musicians and more

815
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,039
than a dozen other organizations said the bill contains gaps

816
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,880
that bad actors will continue to exploit. They wrote, quote,

817
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,800
the Ticket Act is a step forward, but without a

818
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,599
complete ban on speculative ticketing and forceable limits on resale

819
00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,639
pricing and fees and robust end to end price tream transparency,

820
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,639
bad actors will continue to exploit gaps in the law

821
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:09,000
at the expense of fans and communities. On pricing transparency,

822
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,559
the groups are demanding disclosure of the base ticket price

823
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,159
and every associated fee to appear from the moment a

824
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,519
customer selects a ticket, not just at checkout.

825
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:19,599
Speaker 4: Quote.

826
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: Not requiring ticket price and ticket fees broken out in

827
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,960
a is a shortcoming of the Federal Trade Commissions all

828
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,840
in Pricing rule, and we are looking to Congress directify

829
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,280
it unquote. On speculative ticketing, the coalition is called for

830
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,320
a prohibition without exception, they wrote, quote, as multiple witnesses testified,

831
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:43,320
tickets that do not exist, are not in the seller's possession,

832
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:47,400
or are marketed through so called concierge or seat saver

833
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,239
schemes are not a service. They are deception unquote and

834
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,039
predatory tend to agree.

835
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,119
Speaker 5: Predatory as well. Yeah, you're desperate to go see somebody

836
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,079
and something like that pops up, you snag it. You

837
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,000
don't even Sometimes people don't even realize how much they

838
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,280
got ripped off until later on when they find out

839
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,119
what the prices truly were, or they talk to somebody

840
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:15,000
else and they got geez, I spent three hundred dollars

841
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,400
more than that? How come? Whoa conchier's service? It really isn't.

842
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,960
It's just a fancy word for a scalper. It really is.

843
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,599
And the problem has been consistent in that every time

844
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,920
there's legislation to try and regulate this issue, it gets

845
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,280
defeated or it doesn't even make it for a vote.

846
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,039
You know, I'm hopeful that Okay, the DJ is actually

847
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:43,960
on this and forty states out of fifties awful lot.

848
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,840
You know, should in Congress do something when this has

849
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,960
been a consistent issue time and again, bill after bill

850
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,800
of trying to rain this in to make sure that

851
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,079
you know, people aren't just getting ripped off because the

852
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,800
system doesn't isn't is still not protective of the consumer

853
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,880
and the artist. It protects the scalper more than it

854
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,400
does the consumer. And the artist because the safeguards aren't in.

855
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,119
Speaker 4: Place, it says here.

856
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: The letter also calls for deleting the bills services permitted

857
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,960
provision and proposes direct by the Act so that a

858
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,079
ticket issuer, oh quote, a ticket issuer, secondary market ticket issuer,

859
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,320
or secondary market ticket exchange that does not have actual

860
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,920
or constructive possession of an event ticket shall not sell,

861
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,760
offer for sale, or advertise for sale such an event

862
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,400
ticket unquote. The third demand is for a ban on reselling.

863
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,639
This is the important part of this whole thing.

864
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,559
Speaker 5: Isn't this weird though? That you have to create a

865
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:43,760
band to say you can't sell something you don't have.

866
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:47,159
Speaker 4: I know, right, that's wild. Yeah, that should be a.

867
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,079
Speaker 5: Basic consumer law. How do you sell something you don't have? Right?

868
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,079
Speaker 4: Right? That has a loophole.

869
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 3: The third demand is for a ban on reselling if

870
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,800
tickets above the original total cost, and for a cap

871
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,800
of all resale fees no more than ten percent quote.

872
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,559
Across the country, fans are being priced out of live events,

873
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,519
not because artists or venues raised prices, but because resale

874
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:13,159
markets allow unlimited markups and excessive fees divorced from any

875
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,599
added value or risk. A federal prohibition on resale above

876
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,920
the original total cost, combined with a strict cap on

877
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:26,119
resale fees, would directly address price gouging, align incentives toward

878
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,920
real fan access, and ensure that tickets end up in

879
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,880
the hands of fans, not industrial speculators. A companion House

880
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,599
bill HR fourteen oh two pass House of Representatives with

881
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,239
overwhelming bipartisan support in April twenty twenty five, and was

882
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,639
placed on the Senate calendar in September.

883
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,559
Speaker 4: S two eighty one. The Senate's own version remains in committee.

884
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:51,920
So there you go.

885
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,119
Speaker 5: So if that's not bad enough, then you have all

886
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:01,679
of the quote unquote threats yeah, to the to the

887
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,280
venues that there's accusations of yeah, you know, like about

888
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,960
the Billie Eilish part. Oh yeah, where the what was it?

889
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,840
The show is in New York. The show was supposed

890
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,320
to be in New York, but it ended up twenty

891
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,639
miles away. After there was some kind of a thinly

892
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,519
veiled threat from Live Nations slash Ticketmaster, because I remember

893
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,039
Live Ation and Ticketmaster are the same thing, right, they

894
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:27,480
really are. It's not two different things. These are They're

895
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,639
own by the same people, just two different flags. They

896
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,320
sit underneath. So if you're going to Live Nation, you

897
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,280
are buying from Ticketmaster, period. Right, So don't think that

898
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,039
those terms aren't aren't interchangeable, because they are. Or wherein

899
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,639
they talked about the Minnesota Wild would walk away from

900
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,920
a million dollar deal out of fear of being retaliated

901
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,039
against by Live Nation Ticketmaster. Right, you know, so if

902
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:55,400
it's not bad enough, what we just said is already

903
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,199
happening to consumers. This this other side. It's almost like

904
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,360
a mafia attitude with ticket sales. These companies are like, yeah,

905
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,360
you must come to the dawn to get permission to

906
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,159
sell this or something like right, because it is you know,

907
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,599
if you're not selling your tickets through us, we're going

908
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,880
to threaten to never sell your venue's tickets again.

909
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,199
Speaker 4: You will get nobody.

910
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 5: You know. This is it's it's beyond wrong now. It's

911
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,280
it went from the from being a monopulate to now

912
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,559
being a mafia. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

913
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,599
It's if you're if people are afraid, that's yeah, the

914
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,519
fear is coming from that. It's it's ridiculous. We've been

915
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,400
saying this for years. This is not about the free market.

916
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,320
The free market isn't fixing this. That's making it worse.

917
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,079
What will fix it is to have regulation that doesn't

918
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,480
allow because we have to apparently create a new law

919
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,840
because apparently existing law doesn't prevent somebody from selling something

920
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,000
they don't even have. Yeah, I know, I am selling

921
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:04,079
a hundred tickets to this concert at a three hundred

922
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,519
dollars market concierge and I haven't even bought the tickets yet. Well,

923
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,239
I don't even have them in my hand yet.

924
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,599
Speaker 3: The only thing though, that does that does happen in

925
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,519
other sectors. I mean, you know, well even in the

926
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,079
music industry, like you know, artists will you know, put

927
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,599
things on pre sale that aren't necessarily available.

928
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 5: Yet, you know what I mean, they have their own tickets,

929
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,400
that isn't But I just mean, like you can, you know,

930
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,159
sometimes you can buy a single or thing. Yeah that's

931
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,400
an orange. I don't either sell it. You're selling something.

932
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:34,519
Speaker 3: But I'm just that you have you have it, but

933
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,280
you might not have it yet, is what I'm saying.

934
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,320
So you might be working on something that you're or

935
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,639
if you're crowdfunding something a project or something.

936
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 4: So there are other examples.

937
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,119
Speaker 5: Huge difference to that in saying I have one hundred tickets. No,

938
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,079
I agree, and I don't actually have the tickets. And

939
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:51,320
that's what the article is super clear about, is that

940
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,440
in a lot of these secondary markets, they're getting their

941
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,719
hands on nothing but your money, right, and then they're

942
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,159
getting this huge markup, and then they just take a

943
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,760
small portion out of your money and go and actually

944
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,960
buy the ticket you could have bought for that price,

945
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,679
but they swindled you. And these companies get get better

946
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,599
and better at it. In any industry, you'll see, like now,

947
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:15,920
when you go in and put in a search for something,

948
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they're buying sponsored spots that get them to pop up

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to the top. And most of the time we click

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on what's the first thing we see, right, pay it.

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Don't do that anymore. Take a look at it. Always look.

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This is what I do now is I always look

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at what comes up first, and I look for the

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word sponsored, so I know that's a yes, at least

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it's labeled.

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Speaker 4: But you can look for that same thing if you

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google something.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly look for that word sponsored, and then you

959
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know that person paid to have that there. It's not

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that they came up first because of ratings or because a.

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Speaker 4: Problem with that, especially since it's labeled.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying pay attention, yeah, because that's just because

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it comes up first, doesn't mean that's where you should click,

964
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you know, check out what comes up down underneath the

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sponsored stuff. The venue itself could potentially be selling tickets, right,

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you know, like the box office in Conquered, they don't

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they sell them right at the window.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can.

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Speaker 5: You can go and buy a ticket in person at

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their window. You don't have to go through ticket Master

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or a Live Nation.

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Speaker 4: To do that, right, Most venues still do that at least, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So look for that. Yeah, don't just snag that first one.

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Watch out for those sponsored Those are ads. They're trying

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to get you to click on them. Yeah, So take

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a moment to Peru's and if you can have the

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option of buying directly from the venue or the artist,

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do it, right, Absolutely do it because that way, you know,

979
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the money is actually going to go back to the

980
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artists and the venue. Actually, like these places are actually

981
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making the money versus Ticketmaster buying it. And right, yeah,

982
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you're basically feeding the multi millionaires that fly in private

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jets that they don't want to fly with you on

984
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commercial flight because they don't want to fly with the peasants.

985
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This is who we're up against, these giant people who

986
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have multi you know, they have giant houses, billionaires, and

987
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it's all about increasing that profit for them more and

988
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,119
more and more and more and more. It's never going

989
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to be enough. So we have to curb this by

990
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encouraging this kind of legislation to protect the artists and

991
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to get the money to go where it really should be.

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The bands that pay, you know, they pay in their

993
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blood and sweat from thousands of hours of practicing and

994
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go to put on a concert. You want the money

995
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to go to them as much as possible, So look

996
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for the options before you go and buy from Ticketmaster.

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If there is an alternative that is directly from the

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artist or directly from the venue, that might be a

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better bet for your dollar, and it might be better priced.

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Speaker 3: All right, we got to get to a break. And

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if you are listening live on Saturday, stick around. Person

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Pores is in the building.

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Speaker 5: Yes, they are excited for our next guest. We are

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getting something really cool here in New Hampshire. If you

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love kiddy cats, stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna play some turbo cats going into

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the segment. All right, we'll show some love to our

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amazing sponsors. Then we'll see on the other side. Stick

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