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Speaker 1: So the first part of the vision was me zooming

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around the cosmics like a con bin, and there are

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planets all over and they're all populated. And what I

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was shown was this giant craft floating in space. Were

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shaped like a like a king crab claw, asymmetrical long

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thing miles long, and inside it were the assembled and

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collected consciousnesses of all the humans on Earth. So billions

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and billions of beings where consciousnesses intact or in the

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ship I called a ship for lack of better term,

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container floating around. When I was shown this a very

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bad reaction.

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Speaker 2: To what's up, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Truthsika

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and Aaron podcast. We're excited to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Today and delighted to be with you today. And today

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we have an amazing guest, a monk of the Taoist religion.

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It is a religion, right.

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Speaker 4: Go find out, but.

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Speaker 3: Lots of really cool things that he has going on.

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He uh still practices that he has a temple, he

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has a book, an amazing book out and he's going

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to share some really cool experiences that led to the

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writing of this amazing novel. And uh, we just want

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to welcome today Monk un Row to the Truthika and

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Aaron Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, thank you guys for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about you and how you

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took your journey into becoming a monk.

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Speaker 1: I wrote a book called The Monk of Park Avenue,

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which chronicles my that journey. But the short version is

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I had a mother who was a philosophy major, and

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she was a follower of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber,

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a student of his, and so in our apartment in

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Manhattan when I was growing up in New York, she

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had a library full of fantastic philosophy books. And for

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whatever reason, while all my friends were watching TV and cartoons,

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even when I was a little boy, I was perusing

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those books. And I was very drawn to the Asian ones, Chinese, Japanese,

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and of course you know, even now, after all these years,

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I write explanations and interpretations and discourses on these philosophies.

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And obviously as a little boy, I understood nothing of them.

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I mean, they were right beyond me. But I felt

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like there was something there for me, and so I

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kept reading them even though I didn't understand them. And

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then I had a series of experiences in the in

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the jungles of South America, and at one point incarcerated

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in Ecuador for defending a woman in the street against

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drunken policemen, and I kind of made it. Didn't go well.

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It's this story for another another time. But I ended

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up in the clink there and bad things happened to

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both of us, and I made a sort of a

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deal with whatever I thought God was at that time.

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You know, get us out of this alive, and I

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will learn how to take care of myself better. And

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next time I hit a guy who is going to

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stay down instead of pop up and pull out his gun.

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So I started martial arts forty six years ago and

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I've been doing it ever since, and I have a

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following the people now around the world. I had a

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PBS TV show, so I had hundreds of millions of viewers.

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So I've had a lot of students at this time,

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and written some books based on Chinese philosophy. I think

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I have twenty one or twenty two books out now,

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and a few more that haven't yet been published, maybe thirty.

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Speaker 2: In all, you have quite a catalog, and I'm really

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interested in the book that we're discussing today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, revelation.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you the backstory of it, because

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it's unlike other things that I've written, although, of course,

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you know, being me, I wove in my worldview as

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety I was working in Hollywood as

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a screenwriter, or I was a novelist whose work was

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being optioned regularly, and I was busy. I was, you know,

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as my then manager commented, you know, I was the

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dream of every bartender and West Hollywood, you know, because

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who was well known for having done a movie about

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an ill fated ship, and he took a shine to

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a nautical thriller that I had written. I guess he

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didn't really realize that Titanic was, you know, his focus.

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that collaboration, at one point he said to me, hey,

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have you ever thought about doing sci fi? And I said,

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Olkeene and fantasy. And when I was in college I

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read the great Russian authors, you know, Dostoevsky and Telstoy

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in the original Russian and undergraduate, and that took had

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a big influence on me. And then I became more

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and more interested in magical realism and Garcia Marcus. Anyway,

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so when you asked me about so I find, I

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said that, and I know he said, oh, I think

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you'd be good at it, and so I thought, well,

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I'd write a side fine novel. I'm going to write

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about UFOs because I've always wanted to see one, and

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are alone in this universe is the only you know,

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intelligent species and the only inhabited planet is a preposterous notion,

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and it's full of hubris, and you know, thinking we're

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all that and you know, trillions of planets can't be true.

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in nineteen nineteen ninety, I went, I started to do

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this book, and I thought, well, eventually I'm like a

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movie out of it, and maybe I'll sell it to

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this guy and maybe you know, it'll be a hardcover bestseller.

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I'm oping, and so I spent two years working on it.

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I went out to the tinfoil hat conferences, and I

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came away feeling that the people who had claimed they

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were abducted or had bad experiences, or not bad experiences,

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any experiences. I was in no position to judge if

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any of that was true. But I came away believing

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that the people who talked about these things, they believed

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what they were saying, and they believed that these things

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had happened. And as I said, who was out of judge?

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a Harvard psychiatrist who interviewed our ductees. Now these guys

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either believed they had their own experience or believed the

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people who did. So. I conflated alien arrival with human

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evolution in this story, and the idea was that, you know,

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they're they're waiting for the manic murder monkeys to become

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something better. And you know, if they're intervening with our

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nuclear programs is because you know, they don't want all

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this garbage spreading out past this planet. But as soon

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as they see that, you know we're becoming something else,

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maybe they'll show up. So I wrote this story in

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which sort of what is now termed indigo children are

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born around the planet. I focus on one, you know,

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very specially young girl, and and I take the equivalent

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of you guys back back in nineteen ninety, which is,

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you know, a radio talk show host. There were no

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podcasts back then, and I have him the focus of revelation.

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encounters an extraterrestrial and so the book develops, you know,

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towards the moment of revelation, which is you know, the

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last page, and it builds up to how that can happen.

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my knowledge has done that exact thing of evolution and

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revelation together. So anyway, I spent two years writing that

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book back in nineteen ninety, and I was very excited

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about it. I thought it was pretty good. One morning,

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back then, and I get on the screen a message

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it says bad discs. Just a black screen with two

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words bad disc two years at work without pay, one

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hundred and thirty four thousand words, six hundred manuscript pages gone,

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blink of an eye, and I desperately took my computer

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all over LA looking for somebody to help me. Some

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smart ass said to me, you got friends in the FBI,

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maybe they can help you. And I said, unfortunately, I

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don't have any friends. And I had to accept that.

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I don't know what happened, you know, a brown out

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of Power series something back then, you know, And I

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had to accept that this book was gone. And it

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was a horrible, ghastly experience. Now you know, I've missed

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your backup. You know, I'm on the cloud. I got

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a desk full of backup hard drives I got, you know,

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everything pretty much can't happen to me anymore. But you know,

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one time like that is enough. So in the ensuing years,

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you know, I raised my son. I would tell them

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bedtime stories at night about how I was an alien

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it came to Earth in a bubble and I married

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a human and you know he was half alien, and

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I gave him stories from my alleged home planet and

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tell him about the pink sky and the green ocean,

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or the green green sky and the pink ocean, and

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how you know, we hung upside down from branches and

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slept at night upside down, you know, from trees. And

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he grew up, you know, with all this stuff, and

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he always wanted you know, I mentioned to you earlier

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that he's a scientist now and he's interested in astrobiology,

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is getting his PhD. I and I I always told

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him about this book, but there was no book, you know.

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I couldn't give it to him to read. And he

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was always Dad, you know, you wrote all these great books,

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and I love him, but the one I really wanted

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to read is the one. I can't read them, like, Okay,

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yeah you ain't. You ain't the only one. So twenty four,

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so thirty five, thirty four years after this, my mom

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passed away. In October twenty four. I went to help

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my siblings clean out her place and we discovered in

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the bottom of a closet a cardboard box with six

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hundred printed manuscript pages and a note on the top

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that said, Mom, please put this somewhere safe. I don't

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trust computers. And I looked at it and I had,

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you know, sort of some cognitive dissonance, if not aphasia,

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I mean I was speechless. I mean gone for thirty five,

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thirty four years, you know, and long since morned and buried.

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it wouldn't be any good. That my memory of it

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was it was just a young writer and maybe, you know,

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read it on the airplane home, reading it on the

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fulled out tray and from the seat in front of me,

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and I thought, wow, whoever wrote this really had a

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good imagination. It is a pretty great story, and okay,

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it needs a little spiffing up. But you know, I

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told my publisher about it. He went crazy. He said,

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you know that story alone never minded the book is

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so good, but that story is so cool, so we

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have to promote it. So like, just like three or

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four months after recovering the manuscript, I passed away for

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the third time. I had this brain surgery and I

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got out of the brain surgery and the recovery room

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in the hospital in March at twenty five. I arrested

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and they tried CPR and it didn't work, and they paddle.

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my wife and son were there and they said, we're sorry,

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you know, we have to call it now, and he's gone,

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and my son put up a fuss, and they shocked

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me a couple more times, and here we are. And

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so in the in the aftermath of that, I set

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to work editing and getting this book ready for publication.

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of you know, thirty five years ago. So that's the tale.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So do you remember sending it to your mom?

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Speaker 4: Or is this just like some supernatural.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's wild. So you know, you can speculate as

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people do. You know, there there was There's been a

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lot to say about that. You know. One is that

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I PTSD and I just you know, I just shut

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like okay, And that's probably what happened, But I don't know,

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people didn't somebody didn't want it coming out right then,

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over the news, Trump and Obama, everybody's talking about you Aliens,

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and you've got Louis Alizondo and you got everybody, you know,

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it's really a fun story.

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the theme of the book, tying in contact or the

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arrival to evolution. Whenever you're ready, like will appear like

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we're here waiting, but wait till you're ready. And so

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somewhere else in your life. When you're ready, the book

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will appear. When you're read, when a student is ready,

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the teacher will appear kind of thing.

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you know this is a very dallast idea that you know,

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we live in a speed and grade. Give it to

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me now culture. You know that you can if you

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have enough money, you can buy anything, and you can

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have anything and be anything and do anything. And you

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know that that is not a Dallas view. You know,

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the push push, work, work, forced things model of living

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and understanding the universe is not is not in the

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philosophy that I have spound has passed.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: You you mentioned earlier about a thousands being a religion,

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and it is, but it's also you know, a life philosophy,

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the way of interacting and looking at the world. And

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you know, I came to it through martial arts eventually.

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But tai Chi that that those words, of course they're

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Chinese characters, are not words, but what they referred to

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is a philosophical phenomenon. So in the Daoist cosmogony that

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is the origin story of the universe, there isn't there

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isn't the idea of a creator, but there is idea,

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the idea that the system that exists in the universe

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has certain qualities and that it began in a sort

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of genesis like way. When we talk about God creating

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you know, the universe, the world out of the ether

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or the cosmos out of the void. Rather, there is

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a Daoist analog to that, and that is that there

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was there was emptiness. And in my writings and teachings.

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I referred to this as emptiness pregnant with infinite possibilities.

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Nothing has happened yet, but everything is about too. And

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so the idea that when things begin to self organize,

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when they manifest, they manifest in not opposite, but complementary pairs,

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light and dark, male and female, fast and slow, up

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and down, and so on, summer and winter. The harmonious

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interplay between these opposing or better complementary forces that dance

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is called taichi. The martial art that is based on

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that is called the taichi fist taichi, which means fist.

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I've always I admit to, you know, an initially childish

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and then more mature fascination and love of the martial art.

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But I've always been more interested in being a tai

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chi master than a tai chi chuan master. In other words,

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I wanted to make it my life, not just an exercise,

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you know. So those themes are all through the revelation

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and even the title that I picked for the book,

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you know, pressages. What would happen thirty five years later?

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I mean, who knew that there would be all this

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stuff going on? There was not a hint of it

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really back.

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Speaker 4: Then yeah, with.

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Speaker 2: You know, you wanting to have a experience, if you

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wanted you wanted to see a UFO, you know, in

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those early days, the time since you begun writing the

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book to now, like, I know you've done a ton

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of research, but have you had personal experiences?

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Speaker 4: Have you seen crafts?

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Speaker 2: Have you met uh people that that that seemed otherworldly?

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Speaker 4: If you will, so.

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Speaker 1: I have to I have two things to say about this.

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The first is small and the second is big. The

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small one is that I was at Contact in the

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Desert a few weeks ago and I listened to Chris

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Ramsey and a few other people who were presenting. There

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was sort of live podcast, and one of the one

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of his co hosts, brought up the fact that one

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of the largest living and oldest living creatures on Earth

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is a fungus. You know, it lives under granite, and

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there was some talk about whether it had intelligence, you know,

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and so having been infected by this fungus that is

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present year in the Southwest and is now rapidly expanding

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across the country and in fact, in the face of

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climate change, fungal infections are becoming more and more of

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a problem worldwide because of increased moisture and the fungus

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come out and it's they sporulate and you inhale them,

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at least this one. So when I listened to this discussion,

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I got in the line to ask a question. You know,

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people stand up in the audience and they go and

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they wait for their turn to ask the question. Because

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I've talked a lot, in a lot of interviews about

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the experience of dying from this disease and of having

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you know, near death experiences and so on. But when

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I never really talked about, which is addressed is the

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question of the moment, I guess in some way is

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does the presence of the fungus influence my thinking? Now?

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Not does it influence my disability clearly, you know, challenging

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me to walk to the mailbox when I had fallen down. Okay,

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that's the fungus. Yuck, that's not good. But the things

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that I'm interested in and the things that I focus on,

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is the presence of the fungus in my brain somehow

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subtly affecting that which would you know, include the resurrection

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of the revelation so to speak. Right, So, does it

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make me more interested in ets and in multi multiple

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dimensions and so on. And you know, I don't know

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that I have an answer for it, but it's a question.

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The more significant answer to your question is this, I

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passed away from a cardiac event back in twenty ten.

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I had a heart attack and arrested in the hospital

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and I was immediately revived, and I don't have you know,

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there were crash cards and bang dang banged around me

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right away. I don't really have any near death anything

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to recount from that. I think it was just it

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happened too quickly, so it wasn't long enough for me

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to see you have a vision or anything. The most

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recent time that I mentioned in March of twenty five, again,

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I was in the hospital and they were on me,

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you know, I mean, I was dead, but it was

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just a matter of a few minutes. And maybe I

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don't remember because it was a violent you know, being

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shocked like that and having people jumping on your chest.

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I don't know. It's not really conducive to a spiritual experience. However,

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the second time I passed away, which was in twenty

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twenty one, I did not die from cardiac arrest. I

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died well. I mean, of course, my heart stopped, but

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that wasn't the cause. I had an infection which was

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secondary to the fungus, and I became septic and I

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had kidney failure and I died. I was at coma

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for a while, days not weeks. During that coma, I

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had a vision which has been the subject of a

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few of my interviews because I was shown the future

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of the human race. So before I tell you what

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that is, I just want to clarify what I mean

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by I was shown. The feeling was that I was

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in the presence of an entity, and I would love

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to tell you at the end of he was, you know,

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the patriarch of the god of Taoism louds or the

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Buddha or Jesus or Moses or something, but it wasn't.

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And I don't know who or what that entity was,

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but I can tell you that the quality the feeling

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was like I was a philanthropist and I gave a

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lot of money to a museum and I called up

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one day and I said, hey, you know, this is

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the monk. I'm the one that gave you five million bucks.

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I'd like to come and have a tour. And so

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the curator, you know, scrambles around and arranges a private

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tour to show the fictitious philanthropist stuff that he thinks

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I will want to see. So I think that this

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I call this entity he who accompanied me, the curator,

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just because of that analogy. You know, there's no there

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was no museum, and there was no curator, but it's

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just how I refer to.

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Speaker 2: I knew exactly what you wanted to I want to

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show you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, there's some stuff I want to show you.

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So the first part of the vision was me zooming

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around the cosmos like a comet bing bing bing, and

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there are planets all over, and they're all populated, they're

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all unhabited. There's just there's life everywhere everywhere. I did

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not initially focus on that part, and remember this was

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a few years before the book was resurrected. I focused

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on the second part, which is being shown the future

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of humankind. So remember this was twenty one and AI

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was not you know, the first thing on everybody's lips

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back then. And what I was shown was this giant

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craft floating in space. It was shaped like a like

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a king crab claw, asymmetrical long thing miles long and

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inside it where the assembled and collected consciousness is of

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all the humans on Earth, not organic in a I

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guess you'd call it a digital format. So billions and

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billions of beings where consciousness is intact. We're in the

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ship I called a ship for lack of a better term,

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container floating around. When I was shown this, I had

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a very bad reaction to it. Now, never mind that

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Kurtzweil and all these other people are seeing us as

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evolving elon musk, and you know, first we're going to

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have things in our heads. And you know, thousands of

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years from now, there's not going to be any more corporeal.

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There won't be any more organic life on Earth. It'll

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all be may I. But I didn't have a good

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reaction to this. I confess to an affection, despite the

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monumental suffering of my recent life, I confess through an

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affection for organic life. I have a house full of

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rare turtles. I mentioned to you. I'm sitting looking out

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at the mountains in Arizona with cacti and birds and

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snakes and lizards and everything. Have a Lina combine coyotes,

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and we have mountain lions and bobcats. You know, I

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have a lifelong affection study zoology for a long time.

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I have a lifelong affection for living things. And when

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I was shown this in my vision, I had not

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been talking at all. I'd been just watching and listening,

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and the curator had not been talking. He'd just been

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showing me stuff. When I saw this, I well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no no. I reacted negatively to this, say the least,

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and that negative reaction got me so agitated that I

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woke up out of the coma. So I guess that

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part is good. But maybe what's not good is maybe

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I'm misjudged whether or not this was a good or

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bad thing, because, you know, thinking about it later, no bodies,

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you know, no rapture, no great sex, no fantastic meals

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and everything. But on the other hand, also no suffering

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and no mortality, and so you know, maybe maybe I

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jumped to the conclusion that this was bad. And I

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guess the jury's still out on that. I'm kind of

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writing a follow up now which attempts to address that question.

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But whatever, you know, whatever reason I had, I reacted

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badly and I woke up. So when you asked me,

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you know, if I had any experiences, I think that

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second death and the vision attending it. I can't say

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still who or what that entity was, but it is

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curious that so much of it had to do with

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space and I had to do with you know, extraterrestrial

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life everywhere, and had to do with the trajectory of

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human existence. That I can't help but feel that there

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might be some connection. Can I ask you.

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Speaker 3: This the I'm just going to use the terms that

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you used. So the ship that you saw, with all

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of the somewhat digital stored up consciousness of the beings,

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were they only the beings from Earth or were they

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beings from all of the planets as well? Did you

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get a sense of that?

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Speaker 1: So you know, One of the reasons why I said

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that I kind of wish that I had not had

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such an overwhelming negative reaction is that maybe if I'd

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stayed in the vision a little longer, I might have

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had more questions answered. I did not to your question,

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I don't have the impression that in that particular ship,

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you know, it was a universe of beings, it was

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just people. It was humans. But what comes up is

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what about all the other sentient beings on Earth. And

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you know, I've had other experiences with nature, and I'll

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share one of them with you, which, you know, make

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me realize that we are far, far, far far from

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the only sentient beings on this planet, and maybe not

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the most intelligent. And I have had one experience which

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makes me believe maybe not the most intelligent. I'll tell

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you what it is in the second. So for as

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far as that ship goes, I just saw people, and

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whether there were also you know, turtles and whales and chimps,

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and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Well, I that's another shorey.

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Speaker 1: That's Noah's art, Yeah, which is another which is another book,

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00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:19,880
you know.

476
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,759
Speaker 4: That, which is a UFO as well.

477
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:27,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So that the experience of that I allude

478
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,319
to is back in the mid nineties then I was

479
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:35,240
living in Santa Barbara, California. One day in the newspaper

480
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,599
they announced that there were blue whales sighted in the

481
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Santa Barbara Channel, which is a body of water that

482
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,359
exists off the coast and is bordered by California Coast

483
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,720
on one side and Channel Island Archipelago on the other.

484
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,200
They had a buddy, I got a fishing boat, and

485
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,119
I called him up and I said, hey, it was

486
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,720
a little Boston weather, like twenty five feet, you know,

487
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,359
And I said, can we go out and look for

488
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,880
the whales. I didn't fancy like going on a whale

489
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,679
watching boat with the thousand screaming people, you know. I

490
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,400
thought it might be fun to do that. So we

491
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,800
set out one morning and it was. It was an

492
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,880
incredible morning. It was early summer, and there was that

493
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,880
marine layer of fog over the ocean, and it was gray,

494
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:27,920
and there were bazillion seed birds. And as we headed out,

495
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,719
there were dolphins everywhere, including this white one called Rizzo's dolphin,

496
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,760
which looks like a little bluga whale with a bump.

497
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,039
Speaker 3: Ad.

498
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:42,079
Speaker 1: Anyway, we get near the islands and I see a

499
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,719
blue whale come up out of the water and I

500
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,519
started yelling. So he steers the boat towards the whale,

501
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,800
and there is a whaling. There is a whale watching

502
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,679
boat in the distance, and we try to stay away

503
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,119
from them. We go towards the whales and my buddy

504
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,559
is up on is what they called it in a tower,

505
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:02,880
you know. It's a little so he can fish from

506
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,119
up they can see dense the water. It's a structure

507
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:09,920
built up of the steering wheel. Anyway, he's up there,

508
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,719
and I feel a boat make a sort of a

509
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,639
weird motion, which is not the usual boat motion. And

510
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:21,519
I'm sitting in the back of the boat, a stirring

511
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,159
the boat. It's thirty inches out of the water. He's

512
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:29,440
in a little bit. And I look down and a

513
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:38,400
blue whale is swimming immediately under the boat. When I

514
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,039
say immediately, I mean if I stuck, if I leaned

515
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,519
over and stuck my arm and I could touch it

516
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:49,679
that close. This is one hundred foot whale, the largest

517
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,320
creature ever to live on planet Earth if you exclude

518
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,639
the fungus. And the boat is twenty five feet. So

519
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,760
you know, my buddy loses the blood out of his

520
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,920
face because, you know, one little shrug from that whale,

521
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,079
and we're over and I'm watching. And for some reason,

522
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,880
and I always tell when I tell this story, I

523
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,599
always recount this because it makes no sense at all.

524
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,039
I decide to count one, one thousand and two, one

525
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,679
thousand and three one to see how long it takes

526
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,800
for this whale to pass right under our boat. Took

527
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960
seventeen seconds, which is a long time to be that

528
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,760
close to something that big, and at one point its

529
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,639
eye passes under the boat. And when its eye passes under,

530
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,880
the whale rolled on its side. And I am, now,

531
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,760
you know, thirty inches away my eye from the whale's eye,

532
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,000
and the whale's eyes like the size of a pizza,

533
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,480
of a large pizza. And in that eye it looks

534
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,880
like a galaxy of little stars, and all these little

535
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,320
specks is dark, and there's all these little points of

536
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,000
light in there. And it was a life changing experience,

537
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,920
just like the Koma vision was a life changing experience.

538
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,679
I immediately knew, not only are we not alone in being

539
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:18,679
higher intelligence unplanet Earth, we're probably not the smartest. I

540
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,079
think that brain of that whatever it is I'm looking

541
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:27,119
at in that eye totally transcends people. And I have

542
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,920
operated on that principle ever since. And the attendant idea

543
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,639
that even things like my little turtles that I'm trying

544
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:44,920
to say from extinction, all of them have consciousness. I'm

545
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,239
not arguing that turtles are as smart as people, but

546
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,400
the consciousness may not be a property of our brains.

547
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,639
It may be a universal property. And that we're more

548
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,480
like a receiver than a generator or like a radio.

549
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:03,880
We're an internet link.

550
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just that experience, and it makes me emotional.

551
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,239
I feel like I was there with you just hearing

552
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,320
you describe it, and.

553
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you did a good job of that. Yeah, thank

554
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,880
you for taking us on that journey with you.

555
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,039
Speaker 3: We feel very similar the way that you do about

556
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,360
nature and animals and other beings on this planet, and

557
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,760
that you know a lot of people, I think categorize

558
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,960
animals and plants as like we're up here and they're

559
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840
down here, and I do think we get it mixed

560
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,239
up sometime.

561
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 2: I've heard people say too recently with disclosure and stuff

562
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,039
like that coming out and different theories and possibilities from

563
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:53,519
a lot of different experiences out there, that some people

564
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:58,559
are scared of disclosure because it may make humans for

565
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,960
the first time have to deal with the fact that

566
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,079
we may not be the alpha predators on the planet,

567
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,800
and there may be an intelligence that is far superior,

568
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:14,920
far smarter, far more spiritual than us. And the idea

569
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,079
is whether they're good or bad kind of thing, and

570
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,239
so people whether they look like little green men or

571
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,320
they look like humans as well, but they're off world

572
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,960
visitors who are able to shape shift or whatever.

573
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,199
Speaker 4: These theories are, These star seeds, if.

574
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: You will, have something within their DNA that allows them

575
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:38,719
to tap into these preter natural abilities, if you will.

576
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: It scares a lot of people.

577
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,639
Speaker 2: I've been hearing these conversations go around, but I think

578
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,880
that the animal conversation is it needs to be said

579
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,679
because like I feel like we should only have done

580
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,800
to us, whether it's a good or bad aliens as

581
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,920
what as my teacher says, what you've done unto the

582
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,159
least of these will be done unto you. You So,

583
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,559
how you've treated them, It's how when big brother comes

584
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,000
into town, it's how he's going to treat.

585
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: You, if you will.

586
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: So this just this idea to like pull us away

587
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
from the pride and the ego and the arrogance to

588
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,639
humility and more possibilities of what if, Like what if

589
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,320
these animals are sentient? What if they can communicate? What

590
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,199
if they have family families? And what if they have friends?

591
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,880
And what if they have hobbies? And like you don't

592
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,119
know unless you ask them or unless you you know,

593
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,559
you're willing to go there with the imagination. And I

594
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:40,159
think for us anyway, and I do think it's connected.

595
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,119
I think the I think all consciousness is connected, whether

596
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,800
it's animals or whether it's et off world. I think that, uh,

597
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,320
I think that, you know, if we can appreciate the

598
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,239
least of these and we can have that beautiful, angelic

599
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,320
extraterrestrial moment with an animal into and you can just

600
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,440
like what you said was seemed otherworldly like, if you

601
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,039
can have that, then I think it welcomes the other

602
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:12,159
experiences as well. That's been, that's been, that's been my experience.

603
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are your thoughts?

604
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,519
Speaker 1: So, you know, at the risk of without knowing your

605
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,960
religious spiritual beliefs beyond what you've said, and at the

606
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,679
risk of offending anybody listening, you know, I will say

607
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:32,519
that one of the motivating features to move me away

608
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,000
from the Western religions and Abrahamic faith and which I

609
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:42,159
grew up is this idea of hubris and the notion

610
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,440
that we're the top, even on this planet, never mind

611
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,920
in the universe, or that we're alone is so egomaniacal

612
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,239
in my view. I don't even understand how anyway, you know,

613
00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:01,719
I when I awaken from that coma the first you know,

614
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,079
you mentioned the ego, and you know there's a long

615
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,480
history in the DAOs tradition and all religious traditions really

616
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:16,440
about that. But when I awakened from that coma, I

617
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:23,159
was weeping, and I was not weeping from the vision

618
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,559
of human future. I don't think hard to remember a

619
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,599
few years ago now, but I know that I've said

620
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,840
to my wife, I'm a wretch. And we have a

621
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,719
recording artist who's a close friend of the family, and

622
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,719
my wife called her and asked her to sing me

623
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,320
Amazing Grace. In those first few minutes I returned to

624
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,199
consciousness and she performed it for us on you know,

625
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:50,840
we had on the video on the phone, you know,

626
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,320
and I kept focusing on the word wretch, and for me,

627
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:03,000
the filter that I applied to it was that if

628
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:09,079
I were and I'm not, but if I were the

629
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,280
monk that I would like to tell you I am,

630
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,800
then maybe, in advance of all this disease and suffering

631
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:27,519
and unpleasantness, if some great master or high being came

632
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,440
to me and said, hey, you, you know, you've been

633
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,119
doing this for forty odds. You're closing in a half

634
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:38,760
century of this. You've climbed a thousand steps towards, you know,

635
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:43,239
out of the thousand and eight towards, you know, a

636
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,400
thousand doesn't have exactly enlightenment as as a concept. Actually,

637
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,599
that's not even a Buddhist concept that was attributed to

638
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:54,679
Buddhist masters by Westerners who met them. So, but the awakening,

639
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,440
whatever you want to call it, we have something like

640
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,760
that in Do you know you're only eight steps away

641
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,079
from having the consciousness and realization that you want and

642
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,519
you've been working for with tens of thousands of hours

643
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:14,159
of meditation and blah blah blah, only eight steps left.

644
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:21,760
But those eight are going to involve suffering and misery

645
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,119
beyond your wildest imagination. Literally, you cannot imagine how difficult

646
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,199
and how terrible they're going to be, meaning you know,

647
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:38,599
this terrible disease. If I had been told that, and

648
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,480
I realized this when I woke up, I would have

649
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:48,079
whimped out. I wouldn't have done it. I wish I

650
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:49,719
could tell you. I would say, bring it on, baby,

651
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,519
I just want to get to the top of the mountain.

652
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,320
I want to see it. But actually, and I said

653
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,440
I'm a wretch because I realized I'm a pussy, I

654
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,480
would say, yeah, I'm good. I'm good where I am.

655
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,480
You know, I'll keep meditating another twenty five years you know,

656
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:10,119
till I die, maybe I'll get there. I don't need

657
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,280
any shortcuts here, you know, thanks, but no thanks. And

658
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,960
you know, part of this, the vision, and part of

659
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,840
the sole experience has been realizing. And when I talked

660
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
to my master about this, he laughed at me and

661
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,639
he said, nobody would say. Nobody would look at you

662
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,079
know what you've had to go through and say they would,

663
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,199
you know, bring it on. No sane person would go

664
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,559
for that. And and I heard him. You know, I

665
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,639
listened to my teacher. I listened to what he says,

666
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:41,119
but I couldn't help feeling somewhere deep down and you know,

667
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:45,320
I feel like I was a little bit of a wimp.

668
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,199
So that's why I wanted to hear amazing grace, because

669
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:51,960
I wanted to hear what a wretch I am. You

670
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,559
know that face passed, but there's still part of me

671
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,639
that you know, there is no It's not that there's

672
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:04,239
no for ego. I mean, ego is a function of

673
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,639
mind and it helps us survive. I mean, if we

674
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,400
didn't have any ego in any sense of self, we

675
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,360
wouldn't eat, we wouldn't procreate, we wouldn't want shelter. I

676
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,599
mean so there has to be. It's a biological function

677
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,960
to have some of it. But you know, an out

678
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,360
of control ego that thinks that you know, a god

679
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,719
we we made up and that was borrowed from the

680
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,679
Babylonian pantheon them there's a thunder god. And you know,

681
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,440
thousands of years ago Jewish people thought, well, we're farmers,

682
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,400
so we want somebody to give us rain, you know,

683
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:48,559
for our crops for us to go from that two,

684
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,679
you know, we are all of this. Everything around us

685
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800
is for us, and we can feed it as a toilet,

686
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,119
and we can destroy it, and we can rape and

687
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:06,480
pillage and murder every living thing for because some imaginary

688
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,559
deity told us we could do that. To me, that

689
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,440
just sounds like self gratifying, self justifying nonsense, and I

690
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,679
find it objectionable. And when I see the suffering and

691
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,239
the destruction of this planet and all these beings on it,

692
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
it breaks my heart. You know, I can't I can't

693
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,800
be part of that. Yeah, I feel better.

694
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: If you you know, don't be the problem. Try to

695
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,920
be the solution, you know. And when it comes to evolution,

696
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,400
I think you can look at even just what you

697
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,559
you mentioned with the religion and how primitive a lot

698
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:54,079
of religion was, and how bloody a lot of religion was,

699
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,800
and how it's not perfect. I don't think any of

700
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,360
them are perfect. They still have flaws and uh, it's

701
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,159
still covered in blood. But I think they're a lot

702
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,039
less bloody, you know. I think that even like the

703
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:09,360
consciousness or the empathy of the people has been evolving.

704
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,599
It's not perfect. But we got to count the winds.

705
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,679
We gotta, you know, we have to look at human consciousness.

706
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,199
We have to look at Western consciousness and see how

707
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,920
far we've come, and not look at the bad ones

708
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,840
as if they're the majority. I feel like they are

709
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,760
the minority. We just like to kind of focus that

710
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,159
lens on them and the media and and you know,

711
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,039
we feel like it's a lot more of the evil.

712
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,679
But if we do look around and see how far

713
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,119
we've come in the last fifty years, and things that

714
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:44,519
were common to the generations before us sound barbaric to have,

715
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,320
you know, slavery and things like this, or treat women

716
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,320
this way, or these people we don't even consider you

717
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,320
human beings like this type. This was a part of

718
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,679
their consciousness. This is who they were. That seems so foreign.

719
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,119
I feel like we're so beyond a lot of that stuff.

720
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,480
And I think that, you know, twenty to fifty years

721
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,480
from now, will be able to look back on where

722
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,360
we are now and say, man, I can't believe fifty

723
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,400
years ago humans did this to other people and did

724
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,320
this to their wives or same sex attracted people, they

725
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,800
did one to them. They these kind of things, and

726
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,800
so we have to count the wins. I think that

727
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,519
is why disclosure is happening. I think that this is

728
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,320
why that. I think that with disclosure and being able

729
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,320
to see UFOs and all this kind of stuff, now

730
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,440
it's like rampant. I think they've always been there. I

731
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,079
think it's just our consciousness and our perception is our

732
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,199
antenna is now attuned to see and to ask those

733
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,480
bigger questions and to desire.

734
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,039
Speaker 4: The truth. And I think we're starting to get it.

735
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:51,880
I think we're kind of moving in the right direction.

736
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,679
Speaker 1: So I thank you for counter counterbalancing money.

737
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,679
Speaker 4: Because I believe you too. I'm with you.

738
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that optimism, and I guess on some level

739
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,760
I share it. I do, and I think I agree,

740
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,440
you know, as far as them having been here all along,

741
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,360
you know, during the process of researching the Revelation, the

742
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,039
novel we're talking about. I went out to the Hopie

743
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:26,760
Mesa and I wanted to see the rock paintings, you know,

744
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,519
carbon dated at a thousand years old or whatever that

745
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:33,320
showed things that looked like flying saucers with you know,

746
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,440
fishhead helmet guys coming out of them and a thousand

747
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,400
years old, Like, you know, what are those paintings? You've

748
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,599
got to be kidding me, How are you explaining that

749
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,679
they weren't made. They weren't not graffiti from some smart

750
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,400
ass kid from yesterday. They're dated, They're real, And I

751
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,760
looked at them and I saw them myself. I went

752
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,119
to see them. So I do agree with you about

753
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,199
that they've been around a long time. I also agree

754
00:50:58,199 --> 00:50:59,800
with which is we got off on a tangent. But

755
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,559
I think one of the things that I read this

756
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:06,840
news story and I saw in a number of places,

757
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,079
and how true it is that I'm not in a

758
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,519
position to say that, you know, some spiritual leaders were

759
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,280
prepped or warned by our government to prepare their flocks

760
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:26,760
for revelation. And I do think that there is you know,

761
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,639
a sort of a fundamentalist objection to being told we're

762
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,440
not that special and we're not the only ones. Never

763
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:39,360
mind that, you know, in what I know of and

764
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:45,000
most respect in Western traditions is in the idea of

765
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,679
omnipent God would not preclude him making life on other planets,

766
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,440
doesn't you know, only have to be here? Now. You know,

767
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,519
I have orthodox friends or fundamentalist friends who don't don't

768
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:02,599
see it that way at all. But I agree with

769
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:06,760
you that certainly younger generation, your generation and even younger

770
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,440
people are and your your daughter's generation. I mean, I

771
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,239
think people are changing in that view, and I am

772
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:21,039
optimistic enough to believe that society will not crumble and

773
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,960
the world economy and the way we live everything will

774
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,920
not come to a cataclysmic close. Upon learning that you

775
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,280
know we're not alone and that these things are true,

776
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,000
I have, I have your I share your optimism and

777
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,000
faith in humankind that you know will will man up

778
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,840
and you know will rise to that occasion. And that

779
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,079
is an unfortunate phrase, but you know what I mean

780
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,360
that that you know we can deal with it and

781
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,599
accept it, and that some of us, and I know

782
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:03,320
I speak for myself anyway, you know, would be fantastically

783
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,000
delighted to be shown the extent to which life is

784
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,920
rapidant in the universe. You know, I can't think of

785
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,719
anything greater to find out, And I'm utterly unconcerned with

786
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,920
whether we are at the top or the bottom of that.

787
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,920
Maybe that's naive, but that's the way I feel better.

788
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Well, us, probably the closest thing for our religion would

789
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,239
be Christianistic, So we don't we don't ascribe to the

790
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,920
Pentecostal faith as it's written in the books, but we

791
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:46,159
do follow Christ in this teachings. But he kind of

792
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,480
I feel like maybe was trying to prepare us for

793
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,960
this kind of thing, because he always taught like in

794
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,480
the Kingdom calm, this is the servant who's gonna wear

795
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:58,039
the crown, like the ones who serve the lesser and

796
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,320
the lowly and take care of the widow and the

797
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,400
orphans and be the hungry. And when you give water

798
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,039
to someone who's thirsty, you're doing it to me, like

799
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,440
you're serving me, the king of kings. Like I think

800
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,960
that he was trying to prepare people like, hey, you're

801
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,519
not all of that, Like you are here to love

802
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:19,639
and serve. That is what you're here for. And I

803
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:21,920
don't know, I just I feel like the teachings of

804
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,599
Christ and the way he lived his life in service

805
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:30,440
to others, if you really truly ascribe to that, you're

806
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,599
not trying to be the top of the food chain,

807
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:34,440
you know, like because he tells you that's the one

808
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,639
that is at the very top has the farthest to fall,

809
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,280
and that kind of stuff. So, and I think to

810
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,880
touch back on what you said about, you know, the

811
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,440
ego and the egomaniacs and the humans who just totally

812
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:57,000
blatantly disregard nature and disregard others who are less financially stable,

813
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,679
or less healthy, or too old to be full with anymore,

814
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,840
you know, whatever their egotistical mindset would be. Like, these

815
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,719
people are really close to blowing the world up with

816
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,360
nuclear bombs, right, they have a like I can just

817
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,639
picture a big red button on the desk and they're

818
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,159
getting ready to push it. Just somebody say something to

819
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,960
make them just quite mad enough and they'll push that button.

820
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: Right.

821
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,639
Speaker 3: But I hope and pray that there are these higher

822
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:30,159
ascended beings that are watching this. And sightings of UFOs

823
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,400
and sightings and activities and encounters tend to center around

824
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,519
and near nuclear sites. So With that in mind, I'm

825
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:42,559
thankful and I pray there are ascended beings kind of

826
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,760
watching this and you know, ready to do something if

827
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,719
the egotistical maniacs do push the red button, that they

828
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,119
can intervene and we won't be blown to smithereens, and

829
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,159
all of nature won't cease to exist and we won't

830
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:02,000
live in a lifeless wasteland. So it gives me hope

831
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,000
to think there's higher up beings out there watching us.

832
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Well, it gives me hope to hear you talk this way,

833
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,639
so thank you for that. I will say that, you know,

834
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,239
I am very much in tune with the teachings that

835
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,239
you mentioned. I wasn't raised Christian, but if I focus

836
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,280
on those aspects of Western religion, and you know, I

837
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,880
find them in a number of faiths, that also gives

838
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,480
me some hope. I I will say that in that

839
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,800
was and there are so called three treasures. So I

840
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,679
suppose you could one way to think of it is

841
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,199
that the philosophy slash religion is built on a tripod,

842
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:50,320
and that tripod it is so called three treasures. And

843
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,480
the three treasures are compassion, which you could subseute love

844
00:56:54,639 --> 00:57:01,519
for that compassion frugality you could substitute, you know, an

845
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:07,239
awareness of resources and not wasting, and humility, which speaks

846
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,840
very much to our conversation about are we the top

847
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,519
dogs or not? And I find those to be very

848
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,880
clean and simple ideas, and I share them, you know,

849
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,239
I have been sharing them with thousands of people now

850
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,719
for years, and they are very congruent with a lot

851
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:36,199
of the teachings that you refer to. I guess there

852
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,320
was something else, Oh yeah, you know. I think that

853
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,119
in every and I've written about this a lot over

854
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:48,840
the years. I think in every religious tradition, if you

855
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,719
trace it back to its origin, what you find is

856
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:01,159
that there was somebody, and the historicity, the the question

857
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,320
of whether these people really lived there and were as

858
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,239
described or not. Let's just set that aside, because it

859
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:15,000
isn't the important part. Somebody and this is true in

860
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,079
the Das tradition too, And there are many lineages in

861
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:22,800
the Das tradition, and my major lineage, this is true. Somebody,

862
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,920
you know, up their cork. It's just a phrase, you know,

863
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,760
at the top of the head came off and they

864
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,840
saw stuff that the rest of us don't. I just

865
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,559
saw how it really is because say to certainly say

866
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:41,239
it about Jesus, maybe say it about Moses, maybe said

867
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,360
about Mohammad. You know, I don't know. I'm not experts

868
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,639
in all these things. But we can say that the

869
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:54,800
origin of these faiths is that somebody has a direct experience,

870
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,280
and then, being a human being, they are urged to

871
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,199
share that experience. And you know, to me, the driving

872
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:10,159
emotion behind the desire to share a more accurate, larger scale,

873
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:15,079
compassionate view of the world is love, right, So I mean,

874
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,239
why else would you care what somebody else sees or

875
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,000
thinks or believes. So the desire to share that is

876
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,039
at the root of almost every faith. Somebody had an experience,

877
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,480
and then you know, maybe people living at that time,

878
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:33,239
you know, people listened at the foot of the Buddha

879
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,920
and wrote down what he said. People hundreds of years

880
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,599
later ascribed these teachings to Christ. I mean, you know,

881
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,320
I wasn't there for any of this, so I can

882
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,679
only speculate, you know, But what I can say is

883
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:51,920
that it universally unfolds that somebody has an experience and

884
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,960
they want to share what they've seen about how things

885
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,280
really are. And of course the problem is that the

886
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,400
people listening to them, I have not necessarily had that experience,

887
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,440
so they have to interpret what they hear. And you know,

888
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:11,280
in interpretation, you know, humanity creeps in and we get institutions,

889
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,679
and we get power plays, and we get hierarchies, and

890
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:17,960
we get you know, self aggrandizement of the people who

891
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,320
are spreading the word, and on and on and on.

892
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:29,199
But maybe you know, the fear that we won't be

893
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,880
able to rise to it when disclosure happens and we

894
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,000
realize that, you know, we are in a sea of

895
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:42,159
intelligent beings in the galaxy. Maybe you know, some very

896
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,920
strictly strict adherence to certain religions might might have some

897
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,039
problems with it. That's the majority of our kind won't.

898
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:54,559
And that's that's the wish, And that's what I wor

899
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:56,159
at the revelation about.

900
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard a number. This is a got first

901
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,960
heard by David Wilcock, who's now passed on. But David

902
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,480
Wilcox said talking about the evolution of humanity, and I

903
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:13,320
really like this that that the etis the benevolent beings

904
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,480
that are watching and overseeing this evolutionary process, that it

905
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:25,320
only would take fifty one percent of the population to

906
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:30,000
choose love, to become more empathetic, to become more open,

907
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,440
and I can I can tie a lot of this

908
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:38,480
back from personal experiences and also what I've seen around

909
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,639
the time of COVID, and how like COVID like brought

910
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:45,000
a lot of things out of people, allowed them to see.

911
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,760
We got to see what was really in people, whether

912
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,119
it was good or bad, like it came out if

913
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:56,519
it was compassion, if it was finger pointing and accusation,

914
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,880
like a lot of stuff came out. It was just

915
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:01,920
this point of time where we were pressed and we

916
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,719
got to see what was really in us and so

917
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,159
but but during that time, I think that we got

918
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,079
to see that there was a lot of room for improvement.

919
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:13,800
There was a lot of personal areas in our lives

920
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:14,920
that we can improve.

921
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: If that if that's what we desired.

922
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: But but it would take fifty one percent of humanity

923
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,159
to choose love until these beings would would take notice

924
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,199
and be able to come down and kind of show themselves.

925
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,159
And I kind of see that and this kind of

926
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:39,079
guiding the evolutionary process. And it's not when we talk

927
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:41,639
about the evolutionary process. And I don't know your exact

928
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:48,360
definition I've heard it described that it's a spiritual evolution,

929
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:52,199
but it wasn't just one thing. It was a political revolution,

930
01:02:53,719 --> 01:03:00,679
it was scientific revolution. But these revolutions needed to rise

931
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,400
and we needed to we needed to evolve together. It

932
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,159
could because if the political structure became stronger than the

933
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:13,239
spiritual structure, then it's out of balance. If the spiritual

934
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:23,639
structure was above uh, the philosophy or the the other

935
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:26,440
areas that it, that it would counterbalance and that and

936
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,119
that the race or the planet wouldn't evolve properly. And

937
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:36,400
I feel like I feel like we're, uh, we're.

938
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:37,599
Speaker 4: Neck and neck with a lot of that stuff. I

939
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:38,599
think we're right on time.

940
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: And I and and I do feel like that's why

941
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,199
a lot of people are seeing UFOs and it really

942
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,840
into this, this this topic the subject because they've had

943
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,000
experiences or they want to have experiences and and and

944
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,519
I say the reason I bring love and empathy and

945
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,800
all of that into it. I do think that's a requirement.

946
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,280
I think that's a requirement. I think that's there their

947
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,719
their their job is to kind of uh shepherd us

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into through through life and through experiences and through visionary

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journeys and through dreams and all of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I think that we're, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, to make us love each other more, to make

952
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,280
us love ourselves more, to make us love the animals more,

953
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and and and and and if it starts with us,

954
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:28,440
then you know, we're we're one person in our household.

955
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:34,159
We can influence somebody. But the good news is that

956
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:37,800
it's not just us. The ego would say, it's just you.

957
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,760
You're the only one ready for this, You're the only

958
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,880
one doing the work. Good news is that there's a

959
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,320
couple of people probably on your street at this point,

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01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,079
doing the the inner work and asking the deeper questions.

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And and I think that there's a light that emanates

962
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,599
from the planet that they're able to see, that they're

963
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,599
able to see and uh and and Earth is shining

964
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bright through the star seeds and the indigos.

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Speaker 4: I think people are seeing.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, we had a house guest, a

967
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very senior, very well known evolutionary biologist from an Ivy

968
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,400
League university, and he came and stayed with us for

969
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,159
a few days, and we were talking about all this,

970
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:27,159
and he actually gave me a blurb for the novel,

971
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:34,960
which we put on the cover. But he said that

972
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:41,639
to him, culture was a form of evolution that, you know,

973
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,079
and this is a guy who comes from a museum

974
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:51,079
full of skeletons and you know, preserved little boxes of

975
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:54,000
things from a million years ago in fossils, and a

976
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,760
very orthodox biological biology professor, you know, and he said

977
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,760
culture in the novel. Here's the cover, by the way,

978
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,440
I think it's a beautiful cover if you can see

979
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,559
all the little spaceships on the top. But I think

980
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:18,239
the artists did a great job with us in the novel,

981
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:24,000
which I hope everybody will please buy and read and enjoy.

982
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:35,639
I do make it a biological phenomena, but maybe exactly

983
01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:41,199
to your point, the biggest thing that happens is not

984
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:47,719
arguably the biological occurrence which is happening to children around

985
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,039
the world, but the response to them and how what

986
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:57,480
happens to humanity and how it draws ets right. I

987
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,679
mean that in a way that's kind of more important

988
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:04,639
and bigger picture than whether they have the ability to

989
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:06,159
do this, that and the other thing. I don't want

990
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:08,639
to ruin the story, but you know, there's some there's

991
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:12,360
some fun things they can do, but I don't know

992
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,119
that that's really the most important thing. And if we

993
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:19,840
are able to accept that we can become something else,

994
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,840
then why why would we not be able to accept

995
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,519
that other beings have already done this in million years

996
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:26,119
before us.

997
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,239
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

998
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: And I I choose to view this phenomenon, and I

999
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,360
believe disclosure is underway. I'm not sure that everybody in

1000
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,920
my family agrees, but I believe it. I choose to

1001
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,199
see my son, the scientist says, I cherry picked the data,

1002
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,880
but you know, I choose to see that things are

1003
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,599
unfolding and happening, and that we will we will, you

1004
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,880
know again, use that phrase rise to the occasion that

1005
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,960
the best of us will come out, not the worst.

1006
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,079
Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.

1007
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 2: If people want to get a copy of the book,

1008
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:13,920
where's the best place for them to go?

1009
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it should be available in bookstores.

1010
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,800
I mean, obviously the easiest thing for most people these

1011
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:27,079
days is Amazon, and it's available in an electronic format.

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01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:27,319
Speaker 4: There.

1013
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: My only request beyond please please buy the Revelation by

1014
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,000
you and row and read it and enjoy it is

1015
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:40,279
if you do. When you do, please post a review

1016
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,840
if you like the book, because it really helps a

1017
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,199
lot these days. You know, books are not the major medium,

1018
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,520
and people have a hard time finding time to concentrate

1019
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,000
and read, and when they do, there's a million books

1020
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,439
for them to choose from. And one of the things

1021
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,600
they use to separate the week from the chaff is

1022
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,399
if people like it and they read their views, and

1023
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,399
if the reviews sound like they wanted it. So if you,

1024
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,960
if you buy the book and read it, please please

1025
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,520
write a little doesn't have to be or on piece,

1026
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:09,560
just a few lines.

1027
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 3: So coming down the line, do you have any more

1028
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,560
books planned? Any sequels in this same series with the Revelation?

1029
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: So I have I have a follow up. It is

1030
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,760
not a sequel in the sense that it's the same

1031
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,960
characters in the same timeframe. It is it is a fantastical,

1032
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:33,239
magical realism sci fi book set in a New York

1033
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:37,079
of my imagination. I grew up in the in the city,

1034
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,640
and it's not anything like it was when I was

1035
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:44,159
a kid, but I draw on some of that and

1036
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:50,399
it's called the Battle for New Amsterdam, and there are

1037
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:55,479
I think it's an advanced, you know, more fully developed.

1038
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,199
I mean, i'd like to think that the thirty six

1039
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,479
years since I wrote The Revelation, you know, I've learned

1040
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,640
a thing or two and you know, maybe I'm even

1041
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,000
a better writer than I was back then. Boy. I

1042
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:09,840
hope so. So. You know, it's still a few months away,

1043
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,720
but that'll be a fun one too.

1044
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:15,520
Speaker 2: Nice well, brother, thank you for coming on and sharing

1045
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:20,319
your story with us, sharing your heart, your spirituality, your book,

1046
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,920
and the story of how what seemed to had gotten

1047
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,560
away came back to you when you when when I

1048
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,840
say you were ready, when we were ready for it,

1049
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:32,600
I think when the.

1050
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Speaker 4: World was Yeah, you receive this.

1051
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,279
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate the opportunity and nice to meet

1052
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:40,479
you both, And thanks for the for the interview.

1053
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,399
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Brother, We'll have to do it again.

1054
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so.

1055
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: For Hey, thank you so much for watching this episode.

1056
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,439
I hope you enjoyed. I want you to know that

1057
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,720
there is a video right here that you can You

1058
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,279
can watch the video right by me.

1059
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 3: Click this now, No, don't click his video, click my video.

1060
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,800
His video is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways,

1061
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,399
mine's probably about angels and awesome stuff.

1062
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: She has a point, So you decide the demon or

1063
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,279
the angel.

1064
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,279
Speaker 4: What do you go with