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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is

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<v Speaker 1>season sixteen, episode thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>The Hey, let me say before we start that I

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<v Speaker 2>watched Rabbi Weider his last of his five classes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that our Monday night classes inspired that because

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<v Speaker 2>I kept quoting him, and I think that's when I think. So,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when Mike Kellman said we should have him. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, it's a tour de force what

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<v Speaker 2>he did five classes. There's nothing like it online, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>As I told him after already the first class, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm never laying again because you see the expertise. That

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<v Speaker 3>be a really excellent Paul Corey.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, what you got to know?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I think at least that we inspired

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<v Speaker 2>it here. If we didn't, but but I think we did,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's great. Okay, everyone, just a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got great stuff. As always, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to correct something I spent with Michelle m Roth. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the little he was Rabbi and Schernovitz. It was

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<v Speaker 2>in love love that. Uh. He had to withdraw if

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<v Speaker 2>his miss RACKI involvement if he wanted it. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>Ibn t Bone here's a famous guide for the perplexus translation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said that some words he invented. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look in the back, it's he has parish, Miami, loved zarrot.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to give you a couple of words that

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<v Speaker 2>it been t Bone invented. You might be spread see

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<v Speaker 2>your as meaning like imagination. But also marcause we all

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<v Speaker 2>know the word marcause center that was that's that's I

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<v Speaker 2>been t Bone. You we have the root rache commons,

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<v Speaker 2>clubs are you and uh, that's one of the words

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<v Speaker 2>that he invented, so you can check that out. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me put this over here. Okay, someone uh, I think

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<v Speaker 2>she walls his name wrote me an email. We have

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<v Speaker 2>lots of people listening in the old classes and he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know. You know, we we those who were

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<v Speaker 2>with us in the early classes. We did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>on tiktook and all sorts of interesting stuff. Wea, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's interesting. I just think it's interesting. I know

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<v Speaker 2>Suzanna thinks it's interesting and looking at it. But he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know, first of all, well what is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't this just for the star name? And do utganize

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<v Speaker 2>him really care? And he says, does God really care.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, first of all, I wasn'ta do is

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<v Speaker 2>God carry God knows what we're doing. But if it's

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<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to pronounce it properly. If I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that President Beaton, you know who I'm referring to what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mispronouncing his name. But then he said, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>been yeshiva. Do any organizing really care about this anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>And the truth is he's probably right. You most find

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<v Speaker 2>this in the Starduk world, but not exclusively. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Revoko Kamenetsky felt it important by the historically you have,

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<v Speaker 2>you have your Veka venden shopped I sofa, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have the Gro the villain ne Go. So of course

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<v Speaker 2>this has been important in the Ashkenazic world. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to show you people something now which I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>share with him, but i'll I just want to call

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<v Speaker 2>your attention to it. There's a book called aliol Yahu

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<v Speaker 2>which was written about I think it was published in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteen fifties by Shush eleven. It's a hagiography of

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<v Speaker 2>the Gro the Villainago, and this is the new edition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on page ninety six. I want you to look

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<v Speaker 2>in the note here Note seventy five. It says as

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<v Speaker 2>follows that the the dav based in the Rabbi of

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<v Speaker 2>the city of ky Down in Lithuania told me that

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<v Speaker 2>when the Villa Nego was in his youth, he came

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<v Speaker 2>to kay Done and he was there making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the children will learn and the tamatoa, and especially that

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<v Speaker 2>they learn the difference between mila ale and Mila rah.

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<v Speaker 2>That what we spoke about, that is words that the

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<v Speaker 2>syllable is the penultimate, the second to the end versus

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<v Speaker 2>the the end, so that they can pronounce it properly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he said his follows, and let's see if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone can figure out what this means and type it

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<v Speaker 2>in in the chat. If you do know uvashol kamar.

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<v Speaker 2>And jokingly, the gross said, kila to some lo amrue

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<v Speaker 2>de var ms malan. The gross says, based upon what

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<v Speaker 2>you know how the kids sound, lo amrue davar emmet

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<v Speaker 2>emettlam lo i'm rudvar ms. What does he mean? Anyone

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<v Speaker 2>know when he says that the children lo amrue davara

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<v Speaker 2>what the gross means here? Any anyone have an idea?

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<v Speaker 2>If not, I'll explain it to you. What he means,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the it's the villainigones joking. Lo He says about

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<v Speaker 2>these children, low amrud ms. It's a big Oh. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me see here, got to see the chat here, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I got it. Okay. What he means is as follows. Uh. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so one more person sent it in. Let's see, uh no, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>What it means is as follows. They were pronouncing the

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<v Speaker 2>word ms, but it's supposed to be pronounced ms or

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<v Speaker 2>in spartak M but ms. So when he says lo

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<v Speaker 2>amru devar ms lilm, they never spoke truth. He's playing

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<v Speaker 2>on that expression that appears to off the rms because

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<v Speaker 2>they never said ms. They only said ms. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was the film. And remember it. She just said before

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<v Speaker 2>that they have to learn the difference in ra and

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<v Speaker 2>he joked and said, until now, they've never said the

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<v Speaker 2>vr ms or MS. I don't know how he pronounced

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<v Speaker 2>it in their life, because they always they would say ms.

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<v Speaker 2>They would say, they would always get the words wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the first thing I want to show you head.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a schmoos homo to turn that off to.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're as can Isaac Roscha Yeshivas. Incidentally, I found. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>the Beni Schai says the same. We spoke about the gra,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to bring you some stuff about the

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<v Speaker 2>girls in a future class. But the Beni Schai also

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<v Speaker 2>uses the word I found hazot. I was hazot. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a whole thing about this, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just the gra. Okay, someone emailed me about the dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>the Young Israel dancing, So I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>too much into this, but let me show you something else.

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<v Speaker 2>I just googled it, and what comes up from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four October an article from the JTA the Young

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<v Speaker 2>Israel Bronx Gardens was having their annual dance. But then,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course we all know this is common, this

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<v Speaker 2>is popular. But then as I'm googling looking around, I

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<v Speaker 2>come across an article by the indefatigable zev Ellith a

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<v Speaker 2>touchy subject, a short history of the rise and fall

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<v Speaker 2>of Orthodox social dancing. So you can read all you

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<v Speaker 2>want on it. But he pointed out something I didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fascinating. If you recall we get rid of this.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke about the Masmid, which is the Yeshiva college yearbook.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we have the masmid from nineteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you look at it, you see all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of great stuff. Here, by the way, is the tennis

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<v Speaker 2>team at Yeshiva College in nineteen thirty six. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the pictures, you see the guys didn't wear

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<v Speaker 2>yamakas when you were outside. It's sort of like this

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<v Speaker 2>German yucky idea that only have to wear it inside,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's plenty of pictures where they don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and he has a picture of mo Fiorstein for

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<v Speaker 2>those people from Boston who I mentioned before, he was

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<v Speaker 2>in that graduating class. But what zev Elif called attention

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<v Speaker 2>to is a couple of pages before on this on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeshiva College yearbook talks about how the junior year. Take

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<v Speaker 2>a look at this, the junior class. Last year in

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<v Speaker 2>the class had the first social affair, a dance at

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<v Speaker 2>the Peter Stuyvesant Hotel. What I can assure you of,

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<v Speaker 2>without any fear of being contradicting, is the Yeshiva College

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<v Speaker 2>now is not having dances and not putting in the yearbook,

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<v Speaker 2>and it never would be allowed. But in nineteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. Thank you zev Lf for taking us

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<v Speaker 2>down memory lage. One more thing I want to share

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<v Speaker 2>with you, guys. I was reading, I was reading. This

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<v Speaker 2>book just came out because we're talking a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>today about revma Zoo's in the next few weeks, Covitz

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<v Speaker 2>Mamari two volumes of articles, all sorts of great stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and volume let's see it's in volume one, page three

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six. He says he gets back to the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of the rambam that we were speaking about against anthropomorphisms,

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<v Speaker 2>and he quotes from a book by one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most strange and interesting people we've had. He's got to

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<v Speaker 2>show you this picture. Some of you will know this person. There.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Rafaul halpern was a rabbi. He grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very close to the has even wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>book about the Hash and his relationship. But he became

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<v Speaker 2>a wrestler, like a fake wrestler. You can see here's

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of him. You see in his he used

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<v Speaker 2>to wear a star of David. You can even see

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<v Speaker 2>a video of him. Let's see hold on a second

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<v Speaker 2>of him wrestling. He was a firm guy. Here he

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<v Speaker 2>is Rafaul Helper And again after he retired from wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a couple of businesses, and he wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>number of story including a safer on a very like

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<v Speaker 2>three volumes. I think on Rashi every because he was

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<v Speaker 2>descended from Rashi. Everything you wanted about Rashi, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote all sorts of good stuff, so you can look

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<v Speaker 2>him up later. Well, oh, before we go further, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to show you this is uh. Well, I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>back to him in a second day after I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Rafael Helper so he wrote a Peyrish on Lemish, and

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote a Pairish. And the people who are older

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<v Speaker 2>probably remember Rafael Hopper, and he gave a lot of pride.

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<v Speaker 2>He was mister Israel, the Russell, the wrestling rabbi, all

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<v Speaker 2>these sorts of things. But he wrote a Pyriish called

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<v Speaker 2>d Yukimbatra, and then volume one, page twenty six, he asks.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes that he speaks about the Kida skitstock. It

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<v Speaker 2>says there's a mid rush, that the angels their tears

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<v Speaker 2>fell into the eyes of Getzuck. So he asked the question, now, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how is that possible? Angels? Uh don't have tears? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>There do angels have tears? And Rabbi Mazous in his

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<v Speaker 2>commentary and his article says about this. He he calls

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<v Speaker 2>them Mahacham Helper and with Zau. But then he says

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<v Speaker 2>to him, I don't get the question. And if angels

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<v Speaker 2>had tears, they still would be falling in it's eyes

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<v Speaker 2>at the angels far up. And he goes off. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>how would the angel how would the tears have come

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<v Speaker 2>from all the way up in heaven? And and then

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<v Speaker 2>he says, he says, if Helper, Rabbi Helper would actually

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<v Speaker 2>study made Luma and really understand and respect the Rumbam,

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<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't have any of these problems because he'd understand

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<v Speaker 2>that all these things about these are all Marshalomlisa, that

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<v Speaker 2>the sages are not speaking literally when they say that

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<v Speaker 2>they just have tears where the tears falling. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have these questions, he says, if you weren't a little

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<v Speaker 2>round bomb. You know that all these anthropomorphisms that don't

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<v Speaker 2>just refer to God, they refer to the angels. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't ask questions like this because you missed the whole point.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's what he says about Helper. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's another from an Orthodox family strong man. Any want

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<v Speaker 2>to ever hear of this guy? Is this a Breidbart

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<v Speaker 2>He was known as the strongest man in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes from an Orthodox family. They even made a

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<v Speaker 2>movie about him in Vincible in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read all about him in many places. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the Adasistral Cemetery in Berlin. I've been going to Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>before COVID all the time since nineteen ninety. The first

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<v Speaker 2>still East Germany. I even knocked down a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>this string. So that's this Breitbart probably Andrew Breitbart from

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<v Speaker 2>Breitbart News. He was adopted. He wasn't Jewish, although he's

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<v Speaker 2>don't never heard they converted for Orthodox, but maybe he's descended.

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<v Speaker 2>And the last thing I want to show you before

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<v Speaker 2>Is this is Rabbi Solomon Maimo, who was a rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>think age one hundred. He's the first the Sarda k

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<v Speaker 2>the Kardi schools. But he gave an interview shortly before

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<v Speaker 2>he died the secret to a successful Sparta community, and

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<v Speaker 2>just do it, he actually spoke about it. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>read it to you. Members of Seattle's starta community occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>reflect on a time when synagogues held dances for the youth,

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<v Speaker 2>something taboo today, whereby my mon wasn't sure that co

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<v Speaker 2>He offered a story about a Sukkote event where he

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<v Speaker 2>out until they have a date, he recalled. That's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>They came for Sukkote, they got a date, they had

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<v Speaker 2>a dance afterwards, and we served them good stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful example the rabbi meeting the community where it

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<v Speaker 2>was and seeking a creative solution to the never ending

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<v Speaker 2>problem of Jewish dating. A young kipper. I repented, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>to get right. It's going to bring them to marry

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And that's what they did. So listen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>different world and look at things. But that's uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>He came in nineteen twenty three on an American tour,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was called Superman of the Ages, and some

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<v Speaker 2>He inspired him. Okay, everyone, let us now pick up.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in the safe air Simon age two ninety three,

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<v Speaker 2>the title of the letter is well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>it's defaut Jahad, the persecution of the Jahad movement, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the ukme butsuki, my dear Rishon Rashoni who quote

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<v Speaker 2>biblical verses inaccurately. But first, what is yahad? Yahad ravvadio?

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<v Speaker 2>Safe passes away in twenty thirteen and shortly after that

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen years of new elections for the Israeli Knesset.

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<v Speaker 2>Ariy a Derry who was corrupt, probably still is corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>e Yeshai. He was really a simple person. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>atoma haak. He's not a rabbi like Darry in the army,

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<v Speaker 2>but a very honest, low key sort of person. He

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<v Speaker 2>ran shas with and there never was a hint of

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<v Speaker 2>scandal with him and Shas has had a problem. They've

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of people serving time. But when Rydarry

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<v Speaker 2>gets out whatever it is, Revivdi was convinced that he

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<v Speaker 2>did his time okay to allow him back in to

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<v Speaker 2>So when the Kinnissan elections were going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, Yeshai came up with an idea plan that

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<v Speaker 2>he would start a new party. The question was who's

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<v Speaker 2>the I guess the who's carrying on the message of

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<v Speaker 2>basically have run by Shann Cohen and David yo Safe

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<v Speaker 2>and which really became completely Harry d They thought as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before of show, mon Cohen said, all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy things. He called the people where keep us

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<v Speaker 2>through guz as as a mulch he referred to. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>feel I mean all sorts of unbelievable stuff. Well, Eli

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<v Speaker 2>up with the idea that he's going to create a coalition,

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<v Speaker 2>a coalition of people Swardin who are fed up with

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<v Speaker 2>Shats because it doesn't represent them. Obviously, Sha Swardim support

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<v Speaker 2>religious Zionists, the what we call the card Delhi and

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<v Speaker 2>the all the herd. And he thought that this could

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<v Speaker 2>be a nice winning coalition. The problem was that not

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<v Speaker 2>all the hard Wi went along, some went with another party.

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<v Speaker 2>But for a while it looked like this would be

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was building up of mazous as the next Maron.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they made they made the movies, they made videos,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was all sorts of discussions because there was

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<v Speaker 2>no real, I guess, charismatic person in shots. The question was, though,

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<v Speaker 2>would they would the fact that this is Ravadio Saf's party,

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<v Speaker 2>the nostalgia and the loyalty because the only reason the

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<v Speaker 2>Shas Party got so many people is because traditional Spardi

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<v Speaker 2>were not really orthodox we think of it. They voted

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<v Speaker 2>the things that came out. It was a very dirty election.

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<v Speaker 2>The Shots party does all sorts of dirty tricks. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need to get involved with them in a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me just show you just to give you

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<v Speaker 2>movies and their videos, and the idea was to make

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<v Speaker 2>portray re of Mazous and there for obviously the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the show the Yaha Party as the true successor to

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<v Speaker 2>the Shas Party. It's like today agudasicerral in Israel, they

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<v Speaker 2>say yadas atarah or dego a toro that that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Cestra split. So here I'll just play for you for

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<v Speaker 2>to out like a cult of personality. I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>could say rose up around Rev. Mazous and they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to use him. Because what happened was that Eli Yeshai.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to Rubbi Mazus, he's Tunisian himself, that Rev.

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<v Speaker 2>to leave the base managers. Every day he was going

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<v Speaker 2>speaking at different places. It's a brah that the Yaha

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<v Speaker 2>party never passed. They they got one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand votes. They never they If ten thousand more,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have been in the Knesset. But it's really

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<v Speaker 2>a brahra because we don't want the go go. We

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<v Speaker 2>might think of being involved in politics every day. They

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<v Speaker 2>should be spending their time learning Torah and giving, sharing

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<v Speaker 2>and writing. But they close. It showed I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>weakness of the hardline that they couldn't Uh, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>They came up with another video also, Uh, actually that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a song, not a video. And then there was

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<v Speaker 2>a third one who has three songs written about them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know of any songs that are even as.

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<v Speaker 2>But the two Nisians are very attached to Rabbi mazous

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<v Speaker 2>and uh so this is another song that came out.

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<v Speaker 2>This was after the election. No, but I like the song,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you want later you can listen to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the music. But it became, as I said, very

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<v Speaker 2>dirty the election. And this was when during the election

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<v Speaker 2>video came out of Revot You're safe speaking to his

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<v Speaker 2>people about how uh the stupidity of Aridari really knocking him.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, we don't know who released that. Obviously someone

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<v Speaker 2>from the family, but it became a guy I said,

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<v Speaker 2>quite a dirty election, and Yitzak Yosef Choletzion, who in

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<v Speaker 2>my book of there's letters from him, he really came

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<v Speaker 2>out very strongly against Romamazu. Spardak society was split and

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<v Speaker 2>remains split. There's two, I guess, circles in the Stardak world.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Rebmazus the leader of one with rev Amar,

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<v Speaker 2>Shomo Amar and many other rabbis, and then you have

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<v Speaker 2>And there really the Sparta community is split. The Yahad

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<v Speaker 2>They took out Ads with a kipastruga and a black Keepa,

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<v Speaker 2>and Revmazus said that Shas the Shas party should stand

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<v Speaker 2>for shin black shahar keepa and also keep us thruga Sama.

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<v Speaker 2>So they tried to uh have this unity. But I

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<v Speaker 2>you if you understand Hebrew, you'll hear what reviews like

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<v Speaker 2>Jo say says about Rabbi Mazous and you get a

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<v Speaker 2>to this day's And I'll translate afterwards. Modan is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeslon the coscution they.

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<v Speaker 2>Called him. Yeah, I just want.

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<v Speaker 2>So from the standpoint of the the revavadiof Son, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole approach of the Mazuz is to uproot the sakim

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<v Speaker 2>of the ravvad Yo safe Now it's not true, it

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<v Speaker 2>is not true. And in the Krai Mishiva, this only

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<v Speaker 2>Shiva in the world where they study as a satr

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<v Speaker 2>the Abia oh Mayer. And when all these other Russhi

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<v Speaker 2>Yashiva were attacking ravad Yo Sef, it was only in

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<v Speaker 2>Ram that they supported him. Ravadiosef was the president of

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<v Speaker 2>Ishiva Kram. However, it is true there of Masus does

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In political matters, Rabbi Mazus never became a was never

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<v Speaker 2>on the Mosas of Comentaur of the Shas Party because

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<v Speaker 2>ravavad Yose. But he wouldn't uh disagree with him publicly. Never.

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<v Speaker 2>But he couldn't be on the Moetza Kadola of the

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<v Speaker 2>Shas Party because they give the rubber stamp to everything

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<v Speaker 2>Kramava yos does. So the Shas Party, for instance, abstain

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<v Speaker 2>from OSLO of Mazuza very opposed to OSLO accords, so

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't be on the Moetzas lachman Towa. But he

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<v Speaker 2>never publicly opposed him, and he did not ever publicly

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<v Speaker 2>oppose any sachem of Khamavadyosaf. That's I guess you could say,

410
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<v Speaker 2>that's a great uh you know respect. However, once Thekhamavadiosif

411
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<v Speaker 2>was nftar, he doesn't feel that he needs to follow

412
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<v Speaker 2>everything he says, and therefore he will tell he will

413
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<v Speaker 2>give his sucking and he will. He's a right winger,

414
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<v Speaker 2>he's a Haukist person and this this great you know,

415
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<v Speaker 2>being Mavaktel himself was only during his lifetime. So when

416
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<v Speaker 2>Akam it's not Josef says that they are trying to

417
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<v Speaker 2>uproot the heritage, it's not true, but there is some

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<v Speaker 2>truth to that, because why should the Tunisians and why

419
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<v Speaker 2>should the Moroccans be bound Tom Khamova yousef uh forever?

420
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<v Speaker 2>And uh So, yes, when they speak about how Rajaman,

421
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<v Speaker 2>you know he's the he's hasn't been someone like him

422
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<v Speaker 2>on hundreds of years, you can see that they'd be upset.

423
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh So that that's and it was a very bitter election.

424
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<v Speaker 2>So after the election was lost by the ak party. Look,

425
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<v Speaker 2>if I was an israel I don't think i'd vote

426
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<v Speaker 2>for the Akha party, even though I consider him my

427
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<v Speaker 2>rabbi of sorts, uh because politically it doesn't align with me.

428
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think a little too right wing, and I

429
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<v Speaker 2>don't like the rabbis getting involved so much. But nevertheless,

430
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<v Speaker 2>it was upsetting to see how bitter it became. They

431
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>brought everything out in the kitchen sink. The Shas people

432
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<v Speaker 2>took an old video of Abazusa which he attacks the

433
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Kabbad Messianis and they portrayed him as being opposed to

434
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 2>all Chabadi and uh and it and their friend they

435
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>brought it to far Rabbat so that they would not

436
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<v Speaker 2>get any votes from the Labovicher's. They they brought up

437
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 2>stuff at his liberal view of conversion to try to

438
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<v Speaker 2>get I mean it was they they really, it's not

439
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 2>good to see Bala Batim Mosconi trying to defame rabbis,

440
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>but whatever it happens. So I wrote him a letter

441
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 2>saying how upset I was to see that so called

442
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox Jews could fall to such a level where they

443
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.680
<v Speaker 2>engage in such behavior. Look, it's a rabbi. Masus was

444
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 2>naive and a lot of people are naive. If you're

445
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.160
<v Speaker 2>good in politics, it's a rough and tumble, it's a

446
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>dirty business. If you don't, you're not gonna end the gutter. Then, uh,

447
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 2>you know you shouldn't be there. You need to you

448
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>need to respond in kind. We know that negative advertising works.

449
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So I wrote him this, and then he writes back

450
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<v Speaker 2>to me. This is in tamos of toughs and iron.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Hey calls me the new hair car. He says, I

452
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>haven't had time to respond to you too. Now, he says,

453
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<v Speaker 2>from the from the election until now, they continue to

454
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<v Speaker 2>persecute us and everyone who's an to us. They threw

455
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<v Speaker 2>out students from yeshivos and and people studying in co

456
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Wel who we're working for Yaha, that's the way the

457
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Haredi work. They did it. They were also against the

458
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<v Speaker 2>Pelag group for Aerbach. If you would work for a

459
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 2>certain the other political party, they throw you out of

460
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 2>their yeshivas. Khi to our reformy don't sniff my palm

461
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 2>as if we're a reform group or a branch of Mapam.

462
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 2>And despite this, Uh on the other hand, he says,

463
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 2>for your laped, they show him a good face and

464
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 2>they invite him to various events. Goodola Sinnim Haredi mata Harididim.

465
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>He says that the hatred we've seen of the Haajing

466
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>for other Harijim is worse than the hatred of the

467
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the secularists for the Haridime. And we know that is

468
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 2>the case. The battles internal battles in the Haadi world,

469
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the way they fight with each other, it's worse than

470
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>the way the secularists opposed the Haredim. There's no hate

471
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<v Speaker 2>trede like you have in the Haidi world one to

472
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<v Speaker 2>the other unfortunately. But then he says it's not going

473
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>to help them. He quotes a plus from Judah Levy's poetry.

474
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<v Speaker 2>So I think this is actually an important letter because

475
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<v Speaker 2>after the election of Mazus gave one speech that I

476
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<v Speaker 2>know of. You can see it on the Yeshiva website,

477
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 2>in which he spoke about all the things they did

478
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<v Speaker 2>and how despite that, we didn't go in the gutter

479
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 2>with them, and we're very proud of the fact that

480
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<v Speaker 2>we got one hundred and twenty thousand votes. I mean

481
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<v Speaker 2>on hundred twenty thousand votes. Everyone said afterwards, though these

482
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.279
<v Speaker 2>are votes in the garbage, that these votes could have

483
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>gone to one of the right wing parties. But as

484
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<v Speaker 2>far as I know, this is the only written document

485
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 2>where he reflects on the loss. So one day when

486
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>they write the history of the Aha party and Eli Yeshi,

487
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's finished his poitical career, although he served honorably,

488
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>But they will use this letter, I believe, and together

489
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<v Speaker 2>with what I sent him, I also sent him. One

490
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<v Speaker 2>of the ways Rabbi Masus was attacked, especially in the

491
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>lead up to the election, is they argued that he

492
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.519
<v Speaker 2>has no respect for Godoli you or as they tried,

493
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 2>they had to tear down the the leading figure the

494
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>spiritual here, so they say he had so they wrote,

495
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they have these magazines that came out saying he has

496
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 2>no respect for Godoley, exciting all the different things he said.

497
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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things he said is that remazousa

498
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 2>many talent places has pointed out that the Reshow name

499
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 2>wrote many of their writings their books from memory. How

500
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>do we know that? Because they misquote Sukim And there's

501
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 2>plenty of examples of this in my book studies in

502
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>my money's as interpreters. I haven't here, I don't have

503
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a copy here. I give examples, many, many examples, And

504
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I actually think this is a positive thing. It shows

505
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>how brilliant they were, the Rumbaum and others, that they

506
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.799
<v Speaker 2>knew everything by heart, and they didn't copy it. They

507
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't bother looking. They just knew about heart. So they

508
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>make little mistakes sometimes. What's the alternative? You want to

509
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>say that they had a different version of Flemish? Is

510
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<v Speaker 2>that more respectful? Uh? We saw the right got to

511
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>come and estuly suggested that. But no, they were citing

512
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<v Speaker 2>from memory and they but they use this to show

513
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 2>that by Mazuza doesn't respect Goadol because he says that

514
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>they make mistakes and no, I mean, what else you

515
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 2>supposed to do there quoting a pusuka. Uh, it's incorrect,

516
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>but they would. They made a whole big thing. So

517
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<v Speaker 2>he writes to me, thank you very much for sending

518
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<v Speaker 2>me all them a coro, because I sent him many

519
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:25.839
<v Speaker 2>many more Kim sukim. And then he says, even Mosher

520
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Abenu says, Shamati Vishakafti, if Mosher Abenu can make a

521
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>mistake and say you say you forgot something, all the

522
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 2>more so that other gadolis so uh. And this is

523
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>this is important, the idea that you're gonna say that

524
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>rashow you never miss quote Sukim. If you say that,

525
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>then you're left to saying that they had different versions

526
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>of kanaka and that that's definitely not the case. We

527
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>see that the examples in Rashi, We see examples in

528
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.799
<v Speaker 2>the Rambam where they obviously were quoting from memory. Sometimes

529
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a manuscript issue and the misquote, like a Sotheok Verdakov,

530
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>is only in the manuscript. But other times we have

531
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>their their actual hand their handwriting, and uh so they

532
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 2>cited from memory, as as Joseph given Cospi says, I

533
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 2>cite this in my book. He says, you shouldn't be

534
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 2>surprised by this. Do you think that every time this

535
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>great Rabbi wants the quota pusle, he's going to go

536
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>look it up and find it? They cited it. Maybe

537
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 2>they assumed that the person who reads it will correct

538
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>it if it's wrong. That's simon. This brings us the

539
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 2>same and this goes back. This is one of the

540
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.160
<v Speaker 2>earliest letters. And I'm not I know why I wrote it,

541
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't sure what the motivation was. I know

542
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:35.599
<v Speaker 2>I know what led up to her. I should say,

543
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>we all know who Wagner is here. Let me the

544
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>big anti Semiti, but the great composer, Let's see Yakov Cats.

545
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yak of Cats wrote a whole book, The Darker Sye

546
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Genius Richard Wagner's anti Semitism. One of the issues that

547
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>scholars look at is, uh is do you see the

548
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism coming out in his music or anything like that.

549
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>There were many Jews who were fans. I guess you

550
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 2>could say of Wagner. Israel has never played Vonner the Symphony.

551
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>They never played Vagner after the war because of the

552
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism, the connection, of course the Holocaust. There's even

553
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>a direct connection between Hitler and Wagner in that Wagner's

554
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>son in law was Houston Stewart Chamberlain, who he married

555
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the daughter of Wagner, and he, as it says here,

556
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>has been referred to as Hitler as John the Baptist.

557
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Hitler was very much inspired by him, came to see him.

558
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>So although Wagner was not what you call a racial antisemitism,

559
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<v Speaker 2>a racial anti Semite, that is, he hated Jews, but

560
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 2>occasionally you can have a Jew that Wagner liked. But

561
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Wagner's music was raised during the Nazis to the heights

562
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 2>of authority, and obviously Mendelssohn was degraded as Jewish music.

563
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<v Speaker 1>Hm.

564
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<v Speaker 2>I remember when Zubin Meda the the conductor. I believe

565
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>that he was the conductor for the usual phil harmonica

566
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.559
<v Speaker 2>they put together. They wanted to Wagner and people they

567
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>did it actually, and people got very angry. People sent

568
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 2>back their season's tickets.

569
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

570
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Zubin Meda incidentally he's as I recall, he's a zoro

571
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Astrian that many of them left. That was the major

572
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>religion in Babylonian the days of in the days of Krasal.

573
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<v Speaker 2>But as I recall, check it now, Zubin just occurred

574
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<v Speaker 2>to me, meda, is he he's writing me a director emeritus. Uh, yeah, he's. Uh,

575
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>he's pretty positive that he's. Uh. If you look in

576
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>if I look at Joe Zo Austrian famous people, let

577
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 2>me just see quickly here, Yes, he comes up. Actually,

578
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>you know the other one comes up, who's even more famous,

579
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Freddie Mercury. Freddie Merculey was a Zoorastrian. If you don't

580
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 2>know what sire Astrian is, uh, check it out. But

581
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 2>they people got very upset. So at the time Wagnder

582
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.360
<v Speaker 2>was in the news. If you're if you're a Jew,

583
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>a good Jew, you won't uh. And and you're not

584
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 2>religious religious Jews wouldn't do this. You wouldn't, for example,

585
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>play this at your wedding. Do not see year as

586
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't even if you wanted to. But I would say,

587
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're a good Jew, you shouldn't blame mendosin't either,

588
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 2>although he converted as a child, so you don't want

589
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to blame him. But still he's a mashumad. But uh,

590
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 2>so one I think they play when they walk down

591
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the aisle, the other they play when they go back.

592
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's yeah, yeahs you joined together Wagner and

593
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the one he hated and despised Mendelssohn. But so I

594
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 2>was interested what what Rabbi Mazous thought about the Wagner.

595
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why not, I'm not listen to Wagner. Happened

596
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 2>to like Wagner when he would listen to one of

597
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the it's recorded one of the what he felt anti

598
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Semitic Arab musicians. He'd listen and he'd say, yeah, like

599
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 2>but he listened to the music. But I wrote to him,

600
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and he writes back to me that, Uh, in general

601
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 2>they're listening to music is problematic because the corbun we

602
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 2>allow listening to music from the radio. But you know,

603
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 2>so this Hatari but he says, niginos the music of

604
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>this time in a Wagner, he says, she does user

605
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>show it's it's forbidden. I'm very interested to know what

606
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the Orthodox did in Germany. Maybe uh, we have someone

607
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 2>of long standing here from uh uh German Orthodox community

608
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Washington Heights growing up, if you ever heard anything Wagner,

609
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.280
<v Speaker 2>because there are Jews who listened to Wagner and her

610
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>attitude was the fact that hates us. I still like

611
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<v Speaker 2>his music. I don't know when the Orthodox world, if

612
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<v Speaker 2>we all know they went to the opera, that they

613
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<v Speaker 2>go to the Wagner opera, were they in that cult?

614
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<v Speaker 2>Her crime? Cohen in his conversation with Michael shashar is,

615
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he mentions going to Wagner if I recall,

616
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 2>but uh, I'd be curious to know about that. But

617
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>he says it's it's us, sir, because because of the horbone,

618
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<v Speaker 2>and you don't give a hectar, I guess for an

619
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<v Speaker 2>anti Semite. Until he says, listen to this until God, uh,

620
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<v Speaker 2>you know, punishes Germany for what the punishment they should receive.

621
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<v Speaker 2>And then he says, as juchnasu among you, he says,

622
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<v Speaker 2>then once they Germany receives its punishment, then these tunes

623
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>could return to a place of holiness. I'm not sure

624
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<v Speaker 2>what that means. I think what it means is that

625
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 2>the punishment when Germany, it's like a capitalistic thing. After

626
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Germany receives its punishment, which will serve as a sort

627
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>of catharsis, I guess, or a cleansing of a civil elements.

628
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>So only the holy aspect, maybe the inspiration that you

629
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>can be inspired from this music will be remain then

630
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<v Speaker 2>be admissible. But this sounds like Underriff Cook would say,

631
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I was shocked, and I think that's what it means.

632
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<v Speaker 2>Then once they're punished, once Germany receives its due, then

633
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the songs will be permissible. Whatever that means. I think

634
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 2>it has some capitalistic significance. I don't know, but let's

635
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<v Speaker 2>let's leave it at there. And then we moved to

636
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Simon Kouf mem age. This has a few things I'm

637
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<v Speaker 2>not going to get into. One I wrote to him

638
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 2>about there was a man named Dovid Casis and who

639
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<v Speaker 2>wrote all these articles about the rabbis of Tunisia, and

640
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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask him, who's the stuff at Kusis

641
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<v Speaker 2>and and behold, he says all sorts of bad things.

642
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<v Speaker 2>He was the menihal of the the Alian school in

643
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<v Speaker 2>tunis So that caused all sorts of problems, led to

644
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>a terrible spiritual decline. So I didn't know that, but

645
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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. And then I asked him the question, since

646
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<v Speaker 2>he's so involved with Pute and Shirasafarad, what about the

647
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<v Speaker 2>fact that we've mentioned already. You have these poems written

648
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<v Speaker 2>by great figures, medieval figures, that homo eeronic poems deal

649
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>with homosexuality. How is it that medieval Spanish poets so

650
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>would write like this? And I'm not sure. No one's

651
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 2>really sure what to make of it. I shouldn't say

652
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>no one's worth a lot of people think. Some people

653
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>think it was just their adopting a formula that the

654
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Arabs use, like sheare a sharing. It would be no

655
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 2>difference if you write that they write also poems about

656
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty young girls. Also they say pretty young women. But

657
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in those days women was younger than it is today.

658
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<v Speaker 2>So what to make of this? Listen, you can read

659
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 2>all the scholarship on it shindling, and but Rabil Mozou says,

660
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Asasha have to think that any of the real Spanish

661
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.039
<v Speaker 2>poets were writing that. On the contrary, he cites them

662
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>the work Takimony. There's ten songs they are cursing a

663
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>certain evil one who did write like this. So he

664
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 2>acknowledges that there was one person writing like this. But

665
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 2>this is an evil one. But when you think in

666
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<v Speaker 2>terms of the poets, the great poets people have mostly

667
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>been Ezra and others who are I can't remember if

668
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 2>he writes just about homo erotic stuff for just about women.

669
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<v Speaker 2>But you have all these sorts of poems. He says

670
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<v Speaker 2>that the hawkers Monday knew me here from their own

671
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.760
<v Speaker 2>here ayle we bomb they're writing about this, So then

672
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>what what what do you do with these poems? He

673
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 2>says that when they speak about the young uh Sikram,

674
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the young good looking man, it's just a nice young man,

675
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the ambodophie, and there's no problem with it. But uh,

676
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe yes, maybe no, I don't know. Uh they you know,

677
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>they do have poems though where they write about wine,

678
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>they write about women, they write about men. There's all

679
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>sorts of weird stuff going on, and I'm prepared to

680
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<v Speaker 2>accept that this is just a genre, just like share

681
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 2>a sharing you is a genre. You you adopt that

682
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of language as a sort of side. That was

683
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>how they wrote poetry. So uh, I understand that today

684
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>we never would write like that, but they were think

685
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>in a different environment, and it's hard to imagine that

686
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 2>poets within an Orthodox society would publicly write about forbidden

687
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 2>desires and things like that. It still was a community,

688
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 2>which you know, the rabbis had certain control with the

689
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 2>community leaders. They didn't allow just have carus. I mean,

690
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you had problems obviously, you know in Spain they had problems.

691
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 2>They had all sorts of problems with men living with

692
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>concubines and things like that. But to have people writing

693
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>about it, it's it's an issue, though I don't really

694
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>know what to do. If there's one answer that can

695
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 2>solve all these problems, I think I think Raymond Schinlan,

696
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I think assumes that these are real reflections of what

697
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>people were thinking, which is fine about some things you

698
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But when you have she a hole of

699
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>people are given by rawl, even Ezras and others. It's

700
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 2>hard to know what to make of this. But that

701
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 2>is just a short letter. We can't really go into

702
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 2>it in detail because I don't I don't really know

703
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 2>enough about it. This is and I don't know what

704
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 2>to make of it. And then I asked him a

705
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 2>different question that there was a huge issue in the

706
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 2>name Brock about this, but others have written about it.

707
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>A rabbi named from yeshivas Raka named Rabimosha Levy unfortunately

708
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 2>died young. He wrote, He died in his early forties,

709
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 2>and he probably wrote like fifteen books, important works. One

710
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>of them is us on the rolls of Shabis, and

711
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>he discussed the issue. It's an old question, can you

712
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>kill lice on shabus? Well, well, normally you know you

713
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>don't kill insects or but the Gamara tells us this

714
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 2>is shabas, that you're allowed to kill lice on shabis.

715
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Why because only animals, only living beings that reproduce together

716
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>male female reproduction is forbidden to be killed on shabis.

717
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 2>But you can kill lice because lice don't reproduce. Lice

718
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 2>they come out of your sweat. They spontaneously generate spontaneous

719
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:06.559
<v Speaker 2>generation rumba. By the way, he also accepted spontaneous generation.

720
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>He's writing in medieval tonious. So the question therefore is

721
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>can you kill licen shabas? Because now today we know

722
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 2>that lice doesn't to spontaneously reproduce, and you take a

723
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>microscope and you can see lice eggs. So this question

724
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 2>was raised by this Rabbi Levy, and then Brock exploded

725
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>with people saying what type of heretic are you talking

726
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>about this matter? And I asked for by Mazzous and

727
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>he just points out that I sent him a number

728
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>of books. I wanted to know because there are people

729
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>who say that doesn't matter what Krasal determined to be

730
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the Hallaja, even if we have scientific nation differently, we

731
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 2>keep it and others thought differently. Hezuos even mentions, he

732
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 2>says that I think this is the Mahokus in the Pacajnti,

733
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 2>and he's right. This question is first raised in the

734
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century. It's not called Prompt raises the question because

735
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>now we could see that the lice are reproducing. Rasuk

736
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 2>On PROMPTI thought that we should be Machner today and

737
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 2>in our own day there have been people who've said

738
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that as our color of Kafer says we should not

739
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.119
<v Speaker 2>kill licen jobs because now we see and Rasal. We're

740
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>not speaking to us from Vola or any royal Kodesh

741
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>or anything even a tradition. They were just in line

742
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 2>with the best scientists of their day. And now we

743
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>see that it's incorrect that even life eggs reproduce, and

744
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.559
<v Speaker 2>therefore we shouldn't kill it. And that is a position

745
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>held by post came. But the majority position is we

746
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>don't change. And you took on Prompti who wanted to

747
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 2>be Machner. He sent his juva to his teacher of

748
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Judah Briel or Hui. Briell says, no, no, we don't

749
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.679
<v Speaker 2>change Halaha. The issue of ben a Brock was that

750
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.760
<v Speaker 2>they thought it was heresy to say that the sages

751
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.199
<v Speaker 2>might not have all the facts and might have made

752
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>a decision incorrectly. But by Desker had a different approach.

753
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 2>By Desper said, and this also, I think a Brock

754
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>they might have a problem with it. He said that Rasal,

755
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.920
<v Speaker 2>we have a tradition that you can't you can you

756
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>can kill by sunshots. The reason for it, however, did

757
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 2>not come from tradition. The Razal tried to come up

758
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 2>with a reason, and therefore they gave this reason. But

759
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the law doesn't depend on the reason. They just started

760
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>giving the reason what they were told by scientists. They

761
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't investigate it. That's the assumption what he's saying. They

762
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't investigate it. He said that they just gave a reason.

763
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 2>But the reason doesn't bind us. So if you don't

764
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 2>like that reason, it doesn't mean you changed the halaka

765
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 2>because there's other reasons that we don't know about. The

766
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 2>girl also said that when the sages give reasons for things,

767
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>don't assume that that's the only reason. There's other reasons

768
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 2>for shimsh rthal hersh. He has a whole letter explaining

769
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 2>that the sages were not scientists. They went to the

770
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>best scientists of their day, like we go to the

771
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>best scientists, and if the best scientists the day said something,

772
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 2>then then he accepted it. The problem, however, is Sarah

773
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Maazoos doesn't think it's an issue at all. He says,

774
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.039
<v Speaker 2>this is an old dispute, and he writes to the

775
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>people who are attack your emotional levy, if you're gonna

776
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.679
<v Speaker 2>attack him, look back. What is the going to say

777
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 2>about if anyone says King David sinned when he didn't

778
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>I raise a toys and he's mistaken. You're not going

779
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 2>to call people heretics. It's a there's a lot of

780
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>extremism in there. But I just want to note that

781
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 2>I found something which shows you that maybe everyone's wrong,

782
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and as all didn't know, I don't And maybe you

783
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 2>don't need a microscope, because why do I say this

784
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 2>laser Piccizer is a late mid Rush from the eighth century,

785
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe ninth century. If you could chop with twenty six

786
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>he's it says that it says that uh when Avimelf

787
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>with Avram Avi Melf, all the uh. We were told

788
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 2>that all the uh because we took Sarah everyone in

789
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 2>his household in the cavos, the women became barren. What

790
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.199
<v Speaker 2>does it say how you call him the cavospace across

791
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>a feel on bates say keenan. Here we see in Picketerblazer,

792
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>which was recorded in the ninth century century, but a

793
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>records tradition was going back hundreds of years that they

794
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 2>recognize that such a thing as as eggs of the vice.

795
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.519
<v Speaker 2>So the idea that they didn't know about it, we

796
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 2>see they did know about it. Science made no real

797
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>changes from the years one to the year one thousand.

798
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Now there's no real advances in the sense that significant advances.

799
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>So if they knew something in the eighth century, then

800
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 2>they knew it in the fourth century. So none of

801
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>the chew vote, as far as I know that discussed

802
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>this referred to the period zer So I would go

803
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>with her by Despler. I think that the not really

804
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Destler with others who explained that yes, they knew that

805
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 2>there were they'd say that they device had eggs. How

806
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 2>they knew about it. Maybe you can't see it even

807
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.639
<v Speaker 2>with the naked eye. I don't know. Maybe they have

808
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 2>a tradition. Who knows. But there's this notion which is

809
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>put forth by some of the Afroo mean that if

810
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you can't see it, it's as if it doesn't exist,

811
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 2>just like we with the naked eye, so well we

812
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>can't see. I mean one way we can't see. You

813
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 2>can if you can't see a bug, you can eat it.

814
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<v Speaker 2>The question. The only issue is that they have the

815
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>big disputes about lettuce and everything is if you can

816
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>see it, but you can't see it move, You just

817
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.559
<v Speaker 2>see like a piece of dirt. Some say that's a problem,

818
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>others say it's not. So we cannot see the two

819
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>lice create the eggs. If you see the egg, that's

820
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 2>not an issue. I mean, if something grows, you can

821
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 2>see it, but we cannot see the de lice join

822
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 2>together and then create the next egg the eggs. So

823
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>if that's the case, it's it's not. It's not apparent

824
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 2>to the human eye. Therefore it has no significance. So

825
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 2>when they say that any creatures that do not reproduce

826
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>male and female, it's not referring to reproduction that can't

827
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 2>be seen. It's referring to like a dog and a cat,

828
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and even maybe answer something so that that seems to

829
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 2>me to be the best way of dealing with this problem.

830
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>That it's not a because I didn't know. If they

831
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't know, they didn't know. But that's not the issue.

832
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 2>The issue is when they speak about the lack of

833
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>reproduction and talk about that you can see, and that

834
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.519
<v Speaker 2>would solve the problem with the curcater of the answer.

835
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's such the tuva here, and then we get

836
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 2>into the next tuva. This is the last one we'll

837
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 2>do tonight. Page one one. Hey, sorry, two ninety six,

838
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 2>number one forty one, And this is a very long one.

839
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 2>This you have to first see my letter I have.

840
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>What I did is I save up all my questions

841
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 2>and I send him So there's my questions and his answers.

842
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 2>So it begins I begin by saying that I don't

843
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>need you to always reply to my letters because I

844
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want to cause bitteltober. But if you look at

845
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>what I write, then I'll feel good about that, and

846
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll skip the first thing I wrote about, and I'll

847
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>go to the second one. And this deals with my letter,

848
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 2>deals with this individual. His name is a rabbi uh

849
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Ray Moosha Kunitz of Often. Often is the German word

850
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 2>for Buddha Buddha. Pest used to be divided between pest

851
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and Buddha, and Buddha was called often. He was the

852
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.280
<v Speaker 2>rabbi in Offen and he wrote a number of books.

853
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 2>He wrote responsa called I'm sorry there you see it

854
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>there it says here and this is uh they're selling

855
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>this by auction. He was a controversial figure as he

856
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was both a rabbi, great interroer knowledge as well as

857
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 2>an enlightenist. That's not an English word fluent insecular studies.

858
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.320
<v Speaker 2>But that's not they got it wrong here. That's not

859
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 2>why he was controversial. Really, he was controversial by the

860
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>way he wrote it. This book also, this is a famous,

861
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>most famous org It's called the Benoi. It's all about Schimbnchrai.

862
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>It's a very important work because it shows you every

863
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 2>example in in Aracic in the Reshow name, and that

864
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 2>can be traced to the zo ar. But it's also

865
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 2>very important. Here's the cave, the cave that Rashbie was in.

866
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 2>It's also important because he rejects Ravolkoveden. Rivolkovem didn't argue

867
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 2>that the zo ar is medivo, it's late, even though

868
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>it could. It preserves he throws the holy work, it

869
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 2>preserves certain traditions. But the Zoora as we have and

870
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>he thinks is a complete medieval work with sections that

871
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess would be ancient in it, and this is

872
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.599
<v Speaker 2>a rejection of it. And he goes through page after

873
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>page his the haussem Soff said he'd rather have Jako

874
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Venden said than what he said, because what his replies

875
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 2>are just most them are completely bogus. There's few of

876
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>them are good, but the very first one is the

877
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>famous one. The zoa refers to a snowgun as a

878
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>big kanesse, and this is what's a snow good. It's

879
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 2>clearly word synagogue, from the word synagogue that we know it.

880
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 2>So he tries to come up with some crazy etymology.

881
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 2>No one really takes that work of rom Moosha Kunitz seriously,

882
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 2>although his chew vote are quite interesting and his cheu

883
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>voter are important because he preserves one of the only

884
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>hawk writings of Nisson. In fact, it might be the

885
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.280
<v Speaker 2>only Hajakak letter of Ramussadas in there. And do you

886
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.639
<v Speaker 2>have letters in there from the Big Dolium as well

887
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 2>as from some Hoscala figures Ramosha Kunitz. If you go

888
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to Budapest today, you go to the cemetery and Mosha

889
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Kunitz is buried in the row of the rabbis because

890
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.519
<v Speaker 2>he was the roof of often he was one of

891
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the godolim of Budapest. What happened was that he's right

892
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 2>next to a person named of Shimon. Behind. People have

893
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.039
<v Speaker 2>never heard of showing Appenheim, but I used to take

894
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I take my groups there. We'll go back God Willie

895
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.880
<v Speaker 2>again and I always tell them that the Hasidium come

896
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.119
<v Speaker 2>to the screen from schowing Opaenheim, which is too over

897
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>from uh As I recall from Musha Kunitz. And every

898
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 2>time we're there there's never any Hasidi Barkasha. And the

899
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>last time we went, we're there and a whole group

900
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 2>will hasid him come. Why did him come? Because it's

901
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 2>your schuman Opodeim was a Hustan, but he has on

902
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>his tombstone. In fact, I think some people listening to

903
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 2>us now we even came with us. We're on that

904
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.199
<v Speaker 2>trip that I Center Europe trip. On the tombstone, he says,

905
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>whoever comes here and recites a certain prayer, the they like,

906
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.320
<v Speaker 2>what's the worst. He called the prayer I forgot from

907
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Mavari al Baka. It's just like a user type of prayer.

908
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I will intercede with you in heaven. So this is

909
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.360
<v Speaker 2>very unusual. Here. You have a guarantee that if you

910
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 2>come to the kever and you recite this prayer, he's

911
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 2>going to intercede with you. So I guess, uh, it

912
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.519
<v Speaker 2>can't hurt. But this is the Hasidim go through. They

913
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>go to the different graves they do. We go to

914
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 2>different sites and we go to some graves, but they go.

915
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. I found these Hastine team and they're in

916
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 2>the most the big cities. They don't even bother going

917
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 2>to the sites. They just go to the Kavarium and

918
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Speaker 2>this is one of the kaorium on the stops. They'll

919
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 2>go here and then from here they'll go to Rbishaia

920
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.639
<v Speaker 2>of Kristier and they'll do all the different graves. And

921
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they come there because he says he'll interceed Sir Emosha

922
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Kunitz is there in the nineteenth century, early nineteenth century,

923
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 2>the reformers, they wanted some halk justification. There was one

924
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>generation where the reformers wanted hallachic backing for their ideas,

925
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and then they just became complete reformers. And one of

926
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the things they want to all look backing for was

927
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 2>to play music in a show. And they wrote to

928
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Italy because in Italy they had music. In Italy actually

929
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 2>used music like the Organs in the show by a

930
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>non Jew. But they also wrote to Ramosha Kunitz. There's

931
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a reason in this the rabbis in Germany, because the

932
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.360
<v Speaker 2>rabbis in Germany knew what type of people these were.

933
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 2>They just were looking for hetyry. But they wrote to

934
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 2>for Mosha Kunitz, and Mosha Kunitz he wrote an answer.

935
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 2>He just went through the Holak sources. He says, well,

936
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.519
<v Speaker 2>if a non Jew's playing it, what's the problem. It's

937
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 2>a show. Shows, as we say, you can called mitza.

938
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It's a cerabinic prohibition. It's very playing an instrument in

939
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the first place is rabbinic and having Annjuw play it

940
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 2>is a double it's a double remove, so we know

941
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 2>that's permissible. Non Jews play instruments. On Friday night at

942
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:33.599
<v Speaker 2>a wedding, we have non Jews light the candles in

943
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 2>the shools. So he just looked at it from pure

944
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.639
<v Speaker 2>alachek and says, if it's that, if it's positive, then

945
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you can do it. Well. When this was published, he

946
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>was no one attacked him in his lifetime as a reformer,

947
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and everyone's still considered him just a rabbi who was

948
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 2>led astray by the reformers who got him in their grip.

949
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 2>But by the twentieth century he was regarded as a reformist,

950
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 2>which is not true. He's an open minded rabbi, but

951
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 2>he's not a reformist at all. He's a regular rov

952
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.360
<v Speaker 2>He's a diant. He he's buried with the with the

953
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.440
<v Speaker 2>he lived and died to die, the die in in

954
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 2>in Buddha. And actually later he moved to Pest and uh,

955
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you see where he's buried. And he was always regarded

956
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:23.760
<v Speaker 2>as a liberal rabbi, but uh, an authentic rabbi, so

957
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>much so that his reputation took a turn for the worse.

958
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 2>That and I say this all in my letter to

959
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Rabbie Mansus that they removed. If you look in the

960
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.079
<v Speaker 2>old vilnameshneis not the new print one the ones we

961
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 2>all have with the Tosa Jumptov and the Partanurra. At

962
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the first volume, right at the beginning of it, you

963
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 2>have the biography he wrote, like a biography in a

964
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like a play of of Una Nassi. And they only

965
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 2>they take part of it. They don't do the whole thing,

966
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 2>but they include part of his as I recall, first

967
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.559
<v Speaker 2>he has the biography and then he has a whole play.

968
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:03.599
<v Speaker 2>But the biography they included. It's in your villain, missigis

969
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 2>in your bookcase is if you have it. Ramosha Kunit's

970
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.559
<v Speaker 2>biography they moved. They took it all out because he's

971
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.159
<v Speaker 2>a reformer. And I'm writing all this try Mazous because

972
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>he he excites Rabai h Mosha Kunitz and growing up

973
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 2>in Tunis, they would learn his stary. And the last

974
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>thing I mentioned is something I said to Rabbi Mazus,

975
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and I began with a quiz question. I'll ask you

976
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.079
<v Speaker 2>another question and we'll end. So I write to Rabbi Mazus,

977
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I said, I say, if the sensors really wanted to

978
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 2>if these people who took out Ramosha Kunitz's commentary, who

979
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.559
<v Speaker 2>know nothing about Ramosha Kunits, but if they really wanted

980
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 2>to be the censors, then there's something else they could

981
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:44.679
<v Speaker 2>take out. And I said to Mazuza, and you yourself

982
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 2>called attention to this right after Ramosha Kunitz's I think

983
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>it's right after, not right before, No, right after Ramosha

984
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Kunitz's biography of Nasi. There is a a grammar of

985
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 2>mi Hebrew. And let me show you this, and this

986
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>will be the last thing we see today, and we'll

987
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>see ifia who can figure it out? What I'm going

988
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 2>to show you. So in this grammar is by a

989
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 2>mascule of in Ville Mellers around there called Shomo Levinson.

990
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 2>It's called my Maraldicto Gshna Mission. And you have in

991
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 2>all your texts. In the second column over here he

992
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 2>talks about how in the Mishnah they you see already

993
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 2>usages of Aramaic. What do you mean usage is of Aramaic. Well,

994
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.920
<v Speaker 2>they use Aramaic words putting it into Hebrew. So for instance,

995
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the word baked a fila house of prayer. In Aramaic,

996
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.840
<v Speaker 2>it's called baked baconista, and then that comes back into

997
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew as baconess. That's what he's saying. And he gives

998
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.480
<v Speaker 2>a number of examples of where words in Aramaic are

999
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>brought back into Hebrew. Through the Aramaic the word matsoi

1000
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:58.599
<v Speaker 2>is because of the word sriach, and then he gives

1001
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 2>this example right here. He says, also say the word

1002
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 2>levat the biblical Hebrew, and you'd have the word you

1003
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 2>know instead, you say, in the Missionah, you have the

1004
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 2>word hoots instead of levade. Why not levade alone? You

1005
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>know this person, You will say this person, not those people,

1006
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.039
<v Speaker 2>He said alone from those people. You do use the

1007
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>word levad, and that would be the biblical word. But

1008
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 2>instead of that they use the word hoots. Now why

1009
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.559
<v Speaker 2>do they use the word hoots, he says, because in

1010
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Aramaic you have the word bar. Bar means The word

1011
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:38.360
<v Speaker 2>bar means outside, but it also like in, but it

1012
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>also means a separated from so for example, the word

1013
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 2>so so when you take it back into Hebrew, bar

1014
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 2>means outside. That means huts, but it also means like separated,

1015
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 2>not just outside, like living outside your house. Kots may

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you also sayhutz so separated from everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, the word huts is not a biblical Hebrew word.

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01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It's uh. But the word bar in Aramaic, he's saying,

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01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 2>refers to outside. So then it becomes in Hebrew, both

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<v Speaker 2>usages outside. Let's say outside the house, but also outside,

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01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:27.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, outside of us our group. And then he said,

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<v Speaker 2>so in the note, look in the note, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is let's see who can figure it out. He says.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that the word hoots is not a biblical Hebrew word.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, vimsa chan palmacher. You'll find it one time

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<v Speaker 2>in the book of Cohelis, and he cites the verse uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in Cohellis, here's the verse he cites a chapter three,

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01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.920
<v Speaker 2>you'joy chapter two. It's a mistake. Here, let's see where

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01:02:53.039 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>is it. I've gotta serve quickly here where is it?

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01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, I get write it down. Ah, yes, here

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<v Speaker 2>in verse twenty five. Take a look. What does the

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01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>verse say, kimi l umi a us for who will

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01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.599
<v Speaker 2>eat or who will enjoy? Hoots me many apart from me.

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01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:27.159
<v Speaker 2>So here you have the word used in Biblical Hebrew

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01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 2>huts meaning So let's go back to what he says. Now, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>whorse ah. So she says, you'll find it one time

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01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.840
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible in this passo kumia huts me many.

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01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Then he says the imsu odase for Asia. You'll find

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01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>other places in this book arbei dardbour many other examples

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01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 2>of the forms of language a shahima kafi that are

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01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.239
<v Speaker 2>in line with this principle. We're talking about Aramaic back

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01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:02.159
<v Speaker 2>into Hebrew. Tom you duo askill and he says the

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01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 2>reason for this is known to the people who are

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01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:09.760
<v Speaker 2>maskille the intelligent, okay class. What does he referring to?

1045
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.280
<v Speaker 2>What does he mean? What is the tom ya duah

1046
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the maskill that you'll find in Cohells, the these Aramaic

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01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 2>forms back into Hebrew. Who's gonna tell us tom ya

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01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:34.760
<v Speaker 2>duel as. What he's hinting to but not saying explicitly

1049
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.039
<v Speaker 2>is that this is the proof that Cohellis is a

1050
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:42.199
<v Speaker 2>later work not written by Sho wouldn't use uh these

1051
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Aramaic terms. So he says that the word hoots is

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01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 2>not found at all in Tooth except in Cohelis. And

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01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you also find other examples where these Aramaic forms are

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01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 2>put back into Hebrew. And the reason for that is

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01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:54.599
<v Speaker 2>not he doesn't want to spell it out. But those

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01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.639
<v Speaker 2>who now understand, namely that Cohellis is really not solemonic,

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01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:00.800
<v Speaker 2>but is a much later work when they already did.

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01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Ironmac now remind Mazush is going to pointed it out.

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01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 2>But if I said to him, if the censor has

1060
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>understood this, that's what they should censor. But that's in

1061
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.800
<v Speaker 2>every one of your Messnaiases. And yet Mosha Kunitz is

1062
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 2>very kosher, nice biography of reviewed. And I'll see that's

1063
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 2>been removed, but this, this semi fra is, it still

1064
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.360
<v Speaker 2>remains there. So we'll end with that. We're in the

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01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.599
<v Speaker 2>middle of my letter. And as I said, next class

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01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll be with Klemen Schulmann, the Musk, it will do

1067
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:31.679
<v Speaker 2>with Ggo and with the Rashash has to write about

1068
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 2>it more and more good stuff. And if we next

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01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.360
<v Speaker 2>week also will be devoted to Rabbi Mazous a number

1070
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 2>of interesting stuff. And then we'll turn to some new

1071
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.000
<v Speaker 2>figures and wait till you get your official character. We're

1072
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.079
<v Speaker 2>coming to some great stuff from him as well. So

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01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 2>let me take the questions and comments. We've gone over

1074
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:52.800
<v Speaker 2>time a bit. Let's see Susanna says that how skullar

1075
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 2>change oshka attitudes towards the grammar, if I'm not mistaking,

1076
01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 2>absolutely correct. They they even gave the example. They said

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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.679
<v Speaker 2>that we used to be able to offer a sacrifice

1078
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.719
<v Speaker 2>on a bama, but when the uh now we can't.

1079
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Same thing with ascala. We said, when the ascalo used

1080
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to be kosher, when the musculium started doing it, it's

1081
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:13.480
<v Speaker 2>non koshi. But today there's no more musculine, so then

1082
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.079
<v Speaker 2>no one's doing that the mosculium. We're saying, you don't

1083
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:17.880
<v Speaker 2>need to learn gamor it's better to learn tanach than

1084
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 2>diktu is just diktok. They stopped the Ashgarism, stopped learning

1085
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.360
<v Speaker 2>tanachhirsh and in the nineteen letters he attacks this idea,

1086
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:28.320
<v Speaker 2>what he calls misguided, that you shouldn't have to learn

1087
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:32.440
<v Speaker 2>tanaka anymore. But this it became popular that we don't

1088
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 2>need to do that. But today then these people don't

1089
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 2>exist anymore, so we should. That's therefore, in the Ashgnastic

1090
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.679
<v Speaker 2>world even you have a return to tiktook and things

1091
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:44.559
<v Speaker 2>like that. Mckelman says, the auditor just speaking hebrewsning in

1092
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 2>studying tanach. Yeah, this was all because of the the

1093
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:53.679
<v Speaker 2>hoscalo a bar meant the common uh, the common pronunciation

1094
01:06:53.760 --> 01:07:01.360
<v Speaker 2>of checker and MSR wrong should be switched. David the

1095
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.440
<v Speaker 2>boxer turned entrepreneur actually a fall helper, wasn't a boxer.

1096
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.480
<v Speaker 2>He was a wrestler, although if you read all the

1097
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.239
<v Speaker 2>essays on him, it says he didn't want to do

1098
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 2>fake wrestling, even though that's all this is all fake wrestling.

1099
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.519
<v Speaker 2>He would actually do what he wanted to do, even

1100
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.280
<v Speaker 2>if he's supposed to take a dive, if he didn't care,

1101
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.639
<v Speaker 2>and it was all yes, so he came to America.

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01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:21.719
<v Speaker 2>It was all fake, but he refused to go along

1103
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:24.840
<v Speaker 2>with it. So apparently with him there was half real,

1104
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:33.519
<v Speaker 2>half fake. Well okay, now I didn't say Shacker, not

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01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:40.760
<v Speaker 2>scheckermet Well you asked what about the rule of a

1106
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.280
<v Speaker 2>good question of segolio? So now I have my dictionary

1107
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.880
<v Speaker 2>here because he'asier to look up this and show you, uh,

1108
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 2>we actually do have my singer here Mslamuna. Yeah, I

1109
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.440
<v Speaker 2>have a prayer book here. I got the Moser here,

1110
01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the Burnbaum Moser. So let me look in myriv on

1111
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Russia shown up. If you look at ms ms this

1112
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:11.000
<v Speaker 2>is to who is writing up. I don't even need

1113
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.239
<v Speaker 2>to look I should look down. Susanna pointed out, it

1114
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:15.559
<v Speaker 2>has a hot tuff segal, not a segal. So there

1115
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you go. A hot touff segal is really a cheval.

1116
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sorry Susannah for not reading the next thing

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01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I wanted. If I have to pull it off my

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01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.159
<v Speaker 2>tough Uh. Yes, So it's not a check here it is. Uh.

1119
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't say you can't say she here. Check are

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01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.199
<v Speaker 2>is like any other word dego. They all have the

1121
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.479
<v Speaker 2>uh it's the told me to l But ammet. It's

1122
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a met because it's not. It's not a segal, So

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01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:41.840
<v Speaker 2>there you go. Uh, Barry says my mother. Oliver sh

1124
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Shan told me how she met father young Israel dances.

1125
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I met people I met one person particularly told me that,

1126
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 2>and many others told me about people they know. Yes,

1127
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:55.039
<v Speaker 2>that was that was the era. I don't want to

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01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 2>say it. People Ramas graduates will be upset. Ramas actually

1129
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.640
<v Speaker 2>had you see Jeffrey Garox's book on Rama. They had

1130
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>classes into the fifties as far as I know, maybe

1131
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the later social dancing classes you would run the fox

1132
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 2>truck there. They actually had these classes and everybody Ukstein.

1133
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:13.800
<v Speaker 2>You said he told us similar he did actually to

1134
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 2>bring youws back to Yeah, that's what they did in

1135
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Ramas Borrow, says Ahama Badia. Hold all starting to follow

1136
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:25.880
<v Speaker 2>reveocef Cairo, Well, yes, we've spoken about this, we've we've

1137
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.640
<v Speaker 2>dealt with it. And that's exactly where Mazusa's point. He

1138
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:32.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think you need to follow uh Reveo saf Cairo

1139
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.199
<v Speaker 2>if you have a tradition in Tunisia. Although in one

1140
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:38.359
<v Speaker 2>area he actually he went along with Revadia because he

1141
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think it's such an important thing. And that's with

1142
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.199
<v Speaker 2>standing up for Sara Debros in Tunisia and in Morocco.

1143
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.640
<v Speaker 2>The alster for Sarah Debros or mazusays, now that we're

1144
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.920
<v Speaker 2>in Israel, we can go along with this. It's not

1145
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 2>it's not really a min hug that we have to

1146
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:55.680
<v Speaker 2>stick with. But others. You're right, Barro says. The general

1147
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon the coast of you are they need to distinguish oneself.

1148
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:01.479
<v Speaker 2>There's differences in the monroth Are Swerel. There's fighting to

1149
01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Yu and YCT, and it was greater than between Garadi

1150
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 2>and YCT. That is also true the centrist attacks on

1151
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:12.319
<v Speaker 2>YCT because they feel threatened because it's their territory, was

1152
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:17.039
<v Speaker 2>harsher than the Haredi attacks exactly. That is true, and

1153
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Suzanna says, you think that the Israel phrmonic is reconsidering

1154
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:23.960
<v Speaker 2>a decision not to play Wagner's music. They did play Wagner.

1155
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.199
<v Speaker 2>I remember, they know they did play Vagner in Israel

1156
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:28.399
<v Speaker 2>once you can look it up, and it caused a

1157
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:34.640
<v Speaker 2>huge controversy over that he was an anti Semit. But

1158
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:36.520
<v Speaker 2>that's not why they're not playing it. They're not playing

1159
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:40.079
<v Speaker 2>him because of his connection to Nazi Germany. That he

1160
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Speaker 2>was the the the musician laureate I guess you could say,

1161
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and he was symbolic of Nazi Germany. That's the reason.

1162
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.359
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of other composers who were anti Semites. That's

1163
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:54.479
<v Speaker 2>not David says, it's a proof text for a Masusa

1164
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 2>assertion at the hatred of Karad the haaradiing is greater

1165
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 2>than hatred the secretorards the Hareading is the mur and

1166
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Psefi in forty ninety the hatred of a tourist scholar

1167
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.560
<v Speaker 2>who abandoned Torah towards tourist scholars is worse than that

1168
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of the amrits the.

1169
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:13.159
<v Speaker 3>Rabbi.

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01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, David, if you're looking in the book

1171
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and the Safer itself, I cite this in the note

1172
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that that's and Rabbi Mazouz himself cites this explicitly in

1173
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 2>another in another place. But but you're right, that's a

1174
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.239
<v Speaker 2>good point that the hatred of the twist scholar there

1175
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:39.319
<v Speaker 2>who abandoned torah uh Well, Daniel says, in December nineteen

1176
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.640
<v Speaker 2>ninety one, the Israella Pharmat had voted to play Wagner.

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01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, actually I take that back what I said.

1178
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they stayed. They voted to do it, but

1179
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.479
<v Speaker 2>they never did. That's what it is. And because people

1180
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.399
<v Speaker 2>were starting sending back their season tickets, it was right

1181
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.720
<v Speaker 2>around then in nineteen ninety one that I wrote it

1182
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:58.239
<v Speaker 2>was such a big controversy, and I wrote to him

1183
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 2>about that. David says that one of our counts is

1184
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 2>chuvash is that Mo who is not a medical training

1185
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.000
<v Speaker 2>not performed Brittany well. And he actually cites a rashi

1186
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that says it's better to be a to have medical

1187
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 2>training on it. But that's an article came out at

1188
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:12.880
<v Speaker 2>about ten years ago or fifteen years ago, or a

1189
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 2>guy attack you, or Mosha kun it's like a summer reformer,

1190
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and he cites that, and he cites other things where

1191
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Mosha Kunitz was simply like a modern Orthodox type of rabbi.

1192
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:24.960
<v Speaker 2>He was, and he would be better if a moel

1193
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.319
<v Speaker 2>had who was also a doctor. They don't have to be,

1194
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:31.039
<v Speaker 2>but if they are, that's even better. Ah So, then

1195
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Michael says, what about pink Foyd's music given Roger Walter's

1196
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Rabbit anti Semitism. Question is, would Ramazouzi even acknowledge that

1197
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you can at the end of days, can you get

1198
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 2>something good out of it? I don't know. Classical music

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01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.960
<v Speaker 2>has a separate place. The Villainagone said that music is

1200
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.319
<v Speaker 2>a hama. It's one of the hamas. We know well

1201
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Levy tribe of Lavy. We speak about the creation of

1202
01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:57.039
<v Speaker 2>music and arshas Bracy's, but they're not referring to they're

1203
01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.319
<v Speaker 2>not referring to I guess modern pink Foy type music.

1204
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:08.319
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about, you know, great music. I think David

1205
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:10.239
<v Speaker 2>says roots up heres at least three times in the

1206
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.239
<v Speaker 2>hummage let her another than the v But in that

1207
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:17.399
<v Speaker 2>in that way, in that exact same form in place

1208
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of Levad. It has to be used in place of

1209
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Levad David. That's what we're talking about, not let's say

1210
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:31.319
<v Speaker 2>outside in the sense outside, but separated from Levad alone,

1211
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. And okay, and let me point

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01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 2>out one thing. I because I can't get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>my gears of the Ancusa. I grew up always saying

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<v Speaker 2>Sampson Rafo Hirst and shim Shown Ralfa Hirst, because after all,

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<v Speaker 2>the name is shim Shown. But the truth is, and

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<v Speaker 2>I heard this years ago when it never really stuck

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<v Speaker 2>with me, but I recently heard it again by the

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<v Speaker 2>authority that Rabbi Hamburger passed on to me by one

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<v Speaker 2>of our listeners. His name really isn't Shimpshal, even though

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel today is called Shimpshow. His name is Shampshal.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his That's how he was called up to

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<v Speaker 2>the Torah. Now you're gonna say, well, Shampshow isn't a name, Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's not a Hebrew name. It's a Hebraic type

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<v Speaker 2>of name. But we have all sorts of names that

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<v Speaker 2>are wolf people called to the Torah. Ze wolf wolf

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the name either, And we have these names that

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<v Speaker 2>are my mo The Rumbum's father's name is Mimol. My

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<v Speaker 2>moone is not a Hebrew word, but that's his name,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what he was called up to the Torah.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have so Rev. Shimpschen Hersh's name is Shampshaw.

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<v Speaker 2>So from now on, if I can remember, I'll say Schampschon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just that in Germany he's saying it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what they gave him, Why they gave him. We haven't

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<v Speaker 2>yet been able to determine why it's it became that

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<v Speaker 2>other than that's just what it became in Germany. Germany

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<v Speaker 2>had some interesting names. So David says, Wagner was played

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<v Speaker 2>until the Even nineteen eighty one and a Holocaust survivor

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<v Speaker 2>storm the stage. But I was not That wasn't what

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<v Speaker 2>I was referraid to this before my time. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And David says that that no, when hoots is used earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't clear when I said. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>was clear. I was making it seem like huts never

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<v Speaker 2>appears what I meant to say, It never appears as

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<v Speaker 2>as I'll show you just the let us will be

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<v Speaker 2>the last thing, as levade here it is. You can

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<v Speaker 2>check it out later, levade Utz. And then he goes

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<v Speaker 2>on to explain that whole thing. So the only place

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<v Speaker 2>we find it is in Cohlis. So thank you all,

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<v Speaker 2>and please correct me if I say again, but by

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<v Speaker 2>ships and Raphael Hirsch is a shamption. In Germany they

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<v Speaker 2>would call him. Even the rabbis referred to him as Hirsch.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't feel that you need to call him Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Hirsch Rothhirsch.

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<v Speaker 3>His name wasn't Rafaul Hirsch either. That was his father's name.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we go to the keV in uh and Frankfurt,

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<v Speaker 3>Benfoul Hirsch's last name was Hamburger. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 3>thought you were going to say. His name was actually Humberger,

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<v Speaker 3>shumpsh whatever, Humburgers. You know, if you remember on the

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<v Speaker 3>kebra it's sham shun a Frankfurter.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was Humburger. No, I think it's I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he ever used that name though.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but on the ke be it says sham shun

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Rafael Hirsch Hamburger was his father. He wasn't for Hurst.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his father.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's also the only grave I'm sure you remember

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<v Speaker 3>the only grave I've ever seen in my life that

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't the bottom tough no study, no, no, no, let

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<v Speaker 3>me non Stadic bade hayt yeah, show was keV.

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<v Speaker 2>There It is Rabbi shamp shown Ben Marin rafull Hirsch Frankfurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh the bastin And what were you referring to? Mc killman.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, look at the bottom, it's non Sadic bade Hay.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no tough, there's no Hey, his wife there was

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<v Speaker 3>no doubt that shames hump Fellers was going to get aiden,

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<v Speaker 3>so they didn't have to write to Hey. That's for

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<v Speaker 3>normal people. But Sam fell remember when when we we

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<v Speaker 3>were there there together on our first trip effort, not

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<v Speaker 3>a first servor trip to you know, our our Germany trip.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we were and it's pretty pretty mind bogging.

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<v Speaker 3>But his wife is next to him. I seem to

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<v Speaker 3>remember Hamburger, So why did I Why am I getting

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<v Speaker 3>that wrong? But the shesh Yeah. But anyways, a final

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<v Speaker 3>words from.

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<v Speaker 2>Killen.

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<v Speaker 3>Those were pretty much the final words. Okay, tomorrow, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that's just you know, discuss listened. My uncle was

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<v Speaker 3>also wolf. Wolf that's my uncle who you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know very well. But what we call him wolf?

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Elvil. But talking about that the name too,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's fascinating with Rafel Hirsch. Anyways, Okay, okay, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you very much. Tomorrow morning. Like I said, right at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, Benny Gozon tit at twelve fifteen our regular

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<v Speaker 3>share at the Hill him and that is followed at

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<v Speaker 3>one thirty by Joseph Ruble, kicking off a five part

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<v Speaker 3>series on sheer how she reing?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so move on. I think what you're thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>because the reason you thought that is because he was

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<v Speaker 2>born in Homeburg, although I know, but I have a

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<v Speaker 2>grandfather in Frankfurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's what I thought, that was on the kever.

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess I was wrong, that's what That's what

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<v Speaker 3>I thought. But I clear I remember that nich without

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<v Speaker 3>the hey, and of course that it's his Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, hold on, Bark's Bark's correctly pointing out something

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<v Speaker 2>I will make mistake on the kever itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, let's go back to the kever and blow it

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<v Speaker 3>up and see what it looks like again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, it's that's I was wrong on what

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<v Speaker 2>I said it's not here. I'll put it for you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on a second, I'm pulling it up. Where are

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<v Speaker 2>we here? There we go. Yeah, it's not uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's paypay. There sends for Frankfurter. That's his grandfather's name,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Pay. It doesn't mean Frankfurt. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>rabbi and Frankfurt. They're attaching his name to him, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was never he never wrote it by that name.

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<v Speaker 2>But he never wrote anything but that was his his

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<v Speaker 2>grandfather's name. I don't even know if his father used

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<v Speaker 2>the name. Hey paypay you see after hersh it says

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<v Speaker 2>ape go it on a little bit. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to see the rest of it. That's our first was Frankfurto.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very and it said I remember he died on

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<v Speaker 3>a Friday, I think on December thirty first, if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not mistaken, eighteen eighty eight. It says when he buy

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<v Speaker 3>the name is buried on the Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no about the batemay le ma.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he died.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's his wife the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very gimbl right, Okay, So thank you Boru for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's a that you're right they're putting Frankfurter, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. As far as I know, Maybe our

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Heights person can help us. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>ever wrote called himself that, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>his father ever did, but that's what's his grandfather's name.

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