WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:04.360 All right, what's going on drivetime Thursday afternoon, about five 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:06.919 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. Tell you what man, 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.599 Forty degrees and sunny hits different in late January. I 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:12.400 know a lot of people are hoping we get snow 5 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:13.880 in the benches. I'm not one of those people. 6 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:14.960 Snow in the mountains. 7 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.800 The sunny down here and I'm all for it. So 8 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.239 it's about forty one degrees in sunny at about two 9 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:23.359 o five here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, right 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.800 outside our Broadway Media studios, and as it is every. 11 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:28.000 Single day, it's good to have you along for the 12 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.480 rids men's check. It's beyond the mic. 13 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:33.479 That's Port Larson behind the glass, jam packed Thursday shows. 14 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.439 We're inching closer and closer to the weekend. It's a 15 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:39.719 lot to do on the program today to Utah Jazz. 16 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:40.719 Welcome in an old friend. 17 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.079 Tonight, Rudy Gobert and the Minnesota Timberwolves are in Salt 18 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.039 Lake City to take on the jazz. That's a seven 19 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.439 o'clock Mountain time tip. Minnesota's played a little bit better 20 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.079 as of late after a really rough start, and the 21 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.320 jazz are an unserious organization, But Minnesota in town tonight 22 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:56.520 seven o'clock is your tip. 23 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:58.960 A fun night of NBA basketball. 24 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.880 Last night, the New York Knicks beat the Denver Nuggets 25 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:05.920 at Madison Square Garden and fun, fun game, And the 26 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.560 Knicks are kind of this outlier in pro basketball right now. 27 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:14.319 All five of their starters play over thirty five minutes 28 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.079 to night, and obviously Tom Thibodeau has been criticized quite 29 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.040 a bit for his approach in the past, but the 30 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.840 Knicks our fun team to watch this year. Fun game 31 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:25.760 between the Mavericks and the Pelicans. The t Wolves weren't 32 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.000 action last night. They were in Phoenix, they beat the Suns, 33 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.719 and now they're here in Salt Lake City, so excuse me. 34 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:34.599 Second out of a back to back from Minnesota taking 35 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:35.519 on the Jazz tonight. 36 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:37.280 Fun night last night. 37 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.719 As the Warriors beat the Thunder despite Shay going for 38 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.200 half a hundred once again, and so the NBA high 39 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.159 speed out of the trade deadline kind of a lighter 40 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:52.200 night tonight. With five total games in pro basketball, TNT 41 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:54.319 has a double dip. It's going to be the Hawks 42 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.680 and the Calves and the Rockets and the Grizzlies, Rockets 43 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.480 and the Grizzlies, the return of Dylan Dylan Brooks to 44 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.599 Memphis as the Rockets are playing really, really well. So 45 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.480 that's a big game tonight at the FedEx Form. We'll 46 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:09.439 do a little NBA basketball on the show today is 47 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.400 we're high speed ahead to the trade deadline. That February sixth, 48 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:17.199 the trade deadline. Another rumors surfaced earlier today that the 49 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.639 Jazz and the Kings have been engaged in talks for 50 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.120 a deal that would land John Collins in Sacramento. 51 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.360 Will the Jazz be active? Will they do anything? 52 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.439 They've already sent three picks to the Phoenix Suns in 53 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.520 exchange for an unprotected twenty thirty one. 54 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:33.159 So we'll get to that. 55 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.199 Super Bowl fifty nine Chiefs Eagles on Sunday, February the ninth. 56 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:41.080 Kansas City has won seventeenth straight game decided by one score. 57 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:42.960 This is a rematch of the Super Bowl a couple 58 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.800 of years ago when looked like Philly was gonna get them, 59 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.240 and then Kansas City came back, because that's what Kansas 60 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.439 City does. But the latest on the Super Bowl coming up. 61 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.560 The latest on the world of pro football. The New 62 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.080 Orleans Saints are still trying to find their head coach 63 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.479 after a former Cowboys coach Mike. 64 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:00.000 McCarthy said thanks, but no thanks. 65 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.199 He's gonna wait for the coaching higher cycle in twenty 66 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:06.960 twenty six. Kellen Moore apparently is the favorite there, but 67 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.560 he's the offensive coordinator for the Eagles, so he's busy 68 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:14.719 right now. Another football player accused of inappropriate behavior during 69 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.039 massage sessions, So we'll get to that bad look. 70 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.680 Certainly on the program today. 71 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.960 College basketball local top of Mind Awareness Craig Smith will 72 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.479 join the program tomorrow the head coach of the Running Utes. 73 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.599 They're back in action, coming up on Saturday, one o'clock 74 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:32.120 tip time out of Oklahoma State. 75 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:32.319 Three. 76 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.000 The next four games on the road. One home game there. 77 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.599 Is on February the fifth, So next week Colorado will 78 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.400 be in town, and then it's at West Virginia at Cincinnati, 79 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.199 and on February the fifteenth, Rock Chock Jayhawks. 80 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:48.439 We're gonna have to get Bill Riley on the show 81 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:48.840 that week. 82 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:50.439 I wonder if Bill ever thought he'd be calling a 83 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.639 Kansas game here in Saul Lake. Of course, Bill that 84 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.199 is his alma mater, So Bill be on the call 85 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.800 for Kansas Utah in Saul Lake byus figured something out, man. 86 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.560 They played a lot better as of late. They've won 87 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.080 three straight, they've won four or five. That one loss 88 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.479 was here in Salt Lake City to the Utes. They're 89 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:11.159 on the road at UCF home against Arizona, then at 90 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:16.199 Cincinnati West Virginia. Really good win for them against Baylor. 91 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.959 Kennon catchings. If you're wondering why pro scouts like that kid, 92 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.399 and apparently twenty five thirty pro scouts at that game. Man, 93 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.800 he was lights out, played really really well. So college 94 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.199 basketball top of mine right now. The Utah women continue 95 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:32.759 to play well, back to back wins over. 96 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:34.040 Kansas and BYU. 97 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.600 They are going to take on Arizona coming up tomorrow 98 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.120 six thirty and that will be on FS one. 99 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:40.680 Of course, you can hear the game on our station. 100 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.240 That game is here in Salt Lake at the Huntsman Center, 101 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.360 So head on up and support those Utah Utes. 102 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.800 Utah Hockey Club fans were. 103 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.920 Present and witness to a historic goal. Quite frankly, Sydney 104 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.639 Crosby Sidney Kid twenty years in professional hockey, scored the 105 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.079 game win or overtime as the Penguins beat the Utah 106 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.600 Hockey Club three to the Utah Hockey Club after winning 107 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:09.120 three straight, they've now lost three straight game. They're three 108 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.160 straight games. They're back in action tomorrow taking on the 109 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:16.120 Blue Jackets. Daisy Week for our friends at the Delta Center. 110 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.240 The Delta Center is home to several events this week, 111 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.839 and Utah Hockey Club fans were treated to a fake vote. 112 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.240 Did you pretend to vote for the new name last night? 113 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.319 It's gonna be the Mammoth, isn't it. It's gonna be 114 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:31.759 the Mammoth. 115 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.160 I'm afraid that's gonna be the deal. 116 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:39.120 Utah wassatch was forced upon you without any input, So 117 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.120 if you want to know whether or not your vote matters, 118 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.680 I guess that's kind of the example. The spin from 119 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.000 the SEG group is that that's in place of the 120 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.600 Yennie because they want to create some corny snowman to 121 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.000 be the mascot. But for the next three home games, 122 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.519 Utah Hockey Club will pretend to allow you to vote 123 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.040 on the name, and then they will take your email 124 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.399 address and use that for data for qual tricks, and 125 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:01.839 then they're just gonna pick the name they want to 126 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.720 go with. So, anyway, are you interested in the truth? 127 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:05.279 You really care? 128 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.360 I don't know, man, it seems like these days most 129 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.800 people are not RSL. Another preseason match today, we're high 130 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.160 speed ahead to the first game of the calendar season. 131 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.600 It's a CONCACAF match down in Costa Rica, I believe, 132 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.680 and CONCKCAFF Champions Cup first leg, and then we'll launch 133 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.279 into MLS play. So we're kind of inching towards spring. 134 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.560 Today feels a little spring ish obviously, plenty of winter 135 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.279 left with February and Mark, so a lot to do. 136 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.160 Busy show on the program today, Busy show on the program. 137 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.600 Today with a really really good guest list. 138 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.160 We'll bring in Andy Larson right off the top for 139 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.319 all the latest on the Utah Jazz, latest on the 140 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:41.000 trade deadline. 141 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Maybe do a little RSL with Andy today, and. 142 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:48.360 Then talk about the current situation with the naming process 143 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:49.399 for the Utah Hockey Club. 144 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:50.959 I know Andy has some thoughts on that. 145 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:53.279 Scott Mitchell one of the best to ever do it 146 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.800 at the University of Utah, former NFL quarterback. We'll do 147 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.519 mostly pro football with Scott today. We'll do a little 148 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.560 Super Bowl preview and if Tom Allows of course late 149 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:05.879 us on the Big twelve Utah football situation. 150 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.480 We've already talked about the odds that. 151 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.040 Were released and the Bill Conley SMP plus twelve team 152 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.879 CFP projection that included the utes. Not sure how I'm 153 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.680 not sure if people are excited about that or like 154 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.480 here we go again, but we're bringing Scott today on 155 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.439 the program. Former producer of this program. He is on 156 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.000 the masthead as a founder of the Drive. Now he's 157 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.519 over with our friends at the Utah Jazz and he 158 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.560 is the play by play voice of the Utah Stars. 159 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:30.639 He's the play by play voice of the Utah Royals. 160 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.560 He's a very busy young man. JP John Paul chunga 161 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.439 live in studio that we'll do a little sports court 162 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:40.399 on this Thursday afternoon. Andy Larson, Scott Mitchell, JP, Shanga, Me, 163 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.319 Spence checkets, all of you the great listeners. Happy Thursday 164 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.720 to you and that guy Porter Larson producing the program 165 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.480 on a Thursday. Did you attend the game last night 166 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.959 to give your email address to Qualtricks or pretend to vote? 167 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:53.560 Were you there? 168 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.439 I voted five or six different times with five or 169 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.439 six different emails that were not mine to just to 170 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.160 to make sure I got my voice heard, but none 171 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:05.399 of my data harvested. 172 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.199 It's gonna be the mammoth, isn't it. So yeah, it's 173 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:08.959 gonna be the mamoth. 174 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.240 I think so, but I'm not entirely sure. I think 175 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.560 I think it'll be the mammoth of the hockey club 176 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:20.439 going forward. And you know, I'm fine with either of those. 177 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.560 I just think the process to the unveil could have 178 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.360 been a lot cleaner. And that's still underway. But uh yeah, 179 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.839 we'll get to a bunch of that with Andy, catch 180 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.840 up with JP, and go from there on a on 181 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:34.200 a Thursday edition of the show. 182 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:38.120 By the way, I sneezed seven times before the show started, 183 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.559 seven like right before the show started. I think that 184 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:42.440 might be a personal record. Do you have a personal 185 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:43.879 record for consecutive sneezes? 186 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.320 I don't know if I I have data on that. 187 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:46.639 You don't. 188 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:48.600 Ques should ask Qualterricks. 189 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:53.120 What kind of communists doesn't track their sneeze their sneezes? 190 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.960 Everybody has the personal record for sneezes. I guarantee it. 191 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:00.360 I grew up with a allergy to cottonwood trees in 192 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:04.840 the river bottoms full of cottonwood trees, so I've gone 193 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.799 on sneezing fits that have lasted like minutes before. I 194 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.559 feel like, so, I don't know. I don't know. 195 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.799 It's up there though seven straight might be my record, 196 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:15.759 and it was right before I cracked the mic, and 197 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.320 I'm like, all because I'm usually a three sneeze guy 198 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:19.240 and then I'm done with it. 199 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.200 I'm also a very aggressive sneezer. 200 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.000 If you're watching on YouTube and you saw me before 201 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:27.080 the show, there's something about my makeup where, like, you know, 202 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.080 there's some like women who sneeze and it's cute, You're like, oh, 203 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.120 that's cute, it's quiet. I am an aggressive sneezer. I 204 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:34.720 don't know why I always have. Well, you know why. 205 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.399 I do not know what you know what sneezes are? 206 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.200 Please please tell it's your sins and evil escape? What 207 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.399 are you talking about? Did you join a cult overnight? 208 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.080 What do you mean it's the evil escaping? Isn't that 209 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:48.879 like an old Isn't that like an old? 210 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:49.080 Now? 211 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:50.360 I feel like you just made that up. 212 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.799 I think that's like an old belief of some some beliefs. 213 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.799 Well, yes, to your point, it makes sense. We'll leave 214 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:57.200 that there. 215 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.120 Andy Larson will be our first guest right out of 216 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.159 the gates on a Thursday afternoon. 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Why 237 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.519 your one stop shop to build the best tailgate in town. 238 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.960 Standard Restaurants supply thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 239 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.200 So it was kind of kicking this around earlier this morning. 240 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.720 As you know, of course, the Super Bowl is upon 241 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.519 us in you know, about seven eight days or so, 242 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.799 coming up a week from Sunday. Of course we'll get 243 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.759 you ready for the big game coming up next week. 244 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:24.919 It'll be Super Bowl Week between the Chiefs and the Eagles. 245 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:26.919 Once again, it's a rematch of a couple of years ago, 246 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.559 Super Bowl fifty nine down in the Big Easy down 247 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.799 in New Orleans, and a lot of conversation about Howie 248 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:37.200 Roseman and Roster construction for Philadelphia. And you know, ultimately 249 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.480 what you need as an organization to be very, very successful, 250 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.360 not just to have a couple of good years and 251 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.720 then head back down to the spot where nobody. 252 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:47.559 Pays attention to you anymore. 253 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.960 I mean, Jerry West always talked about the difference between 254 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.759 good and great is simply consistency. Can you do it 255 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.639 night in and night out as an organization? Can you 256 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.159 win year and in year out? And even if you're 257 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.000 not winning championships, do you at least have a chef, 258 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.639 and in pro basketball, that's really all you can ask for. Like, 259 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:06.399 you know, we've talked about this, and you know, I'm 260 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.600 gonna land the plane here as Rudy Gobert's in town 261 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.519 and we'll do a little little, you know, little content 262 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:16.399 today on the Wolves Jazz trade that was consummated for 263 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.000 Gobert of course a few years ago. Always found to 264 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.360 kind of revisit that when Rudy's in town. But the 265 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.639 roster construction what's important, And for me it's always been 266 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:25.799 ownership in front office. 267 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.480 Of course, you need great players talent period. 268 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.639 And of story, I can remember a number of years ago, 269 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.879 college professor of mind asked me to go go interview 270 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:36.600 somebody who had a job that I thought was interesting 271 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.279 that maybe one day i'd like to do. And Scott 272 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.279 Layden was the general manager of the Jazz and part 273 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.759 of the interview process was you're supposed to ask this 274 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.840 person who the most important people are in the organization 275 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.559 and why. And this was nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight, 276 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.600 and I asked Scott in our interview process, okay, who 277 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.120 are the most important people in the jazz organization? I 278 00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:59.320 thought he was going to say Larry Miller, GAO Miller 279 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.039 the ownership. He didn't even pump fake. I thought he 280 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:05.240 might say Jerry Sloan. He said, it's John Stockton and Carmelone. 281 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.200 So those are the two most important people in this organization, 282 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.039 because when you can win at a high level, it 283 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.759 cures a myriad of sins. That's a frank leyden line 284 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.320 that he's used often a lot about simply the importance. 285 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.159 And Gordy Chiesa always drops the line when Carmelone made 286 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.360 free throws it was better for the state's economy. So yeah, 287 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.080 you need the talent period. End of story. And a 288 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:26.840 lot of the conversation about the way the Chiefs had 289 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.879 constructed their roster can be reduced to fifteen under center. 290 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.559 Now it's not just him, but a lot of it 291 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.240 is him. We saw what happened to the Patriots when 292 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.159 Brady took off to Tampa Bay. I mean, when you 293 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.399 have one of those dudes under center, it changes the 294 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.120 course of your organization. It changed the course of what 295 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.960 you can be on the field as far as winning goes. 296 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:47.639 And when you win, everything changes. 297 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:51.080 And you know, roster construction in the NFL is a 298 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.320 little bit different than roster construction and pro basketball, but 299 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.399 there are some similarities as far as organizations and structures 300 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.279 that historically speaking have bred great result because we really 301 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.639 find ourselves in a difficult spy right now with this 302 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.919 Jazz team and this process that already is in you know, 303 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.639 nearly three years in the making and really hasn't bred 304 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.200 a lot of things that are tangible outside of marketing. 305 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.399 You know, you've got a lot of assets, You've got 306 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:16.559 a lot of picks. But as I said, when the 307 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.919 Gobert trade went down and everybody said, oh man, I 308 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.519 cannot believe what the Jazz got for Rudy Gobert, Well, ultimately, 309 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.679 like yes on paper, but only time will tell whether 310 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.799 or not this was a good deal. Only time will 311 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:34.360 tell whether or not the Jazz talent evaluators and roster 312 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.159 constructors were able to, you know, turn any of these 313 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.559 draft assets and any of these picks into not rotational pieces, 314 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.440 but good players that can bring you back to where 315 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.919 you were before you decided to trade Gobert and Mitchell 316 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.000 and everybody else. Roy Spognanovitch, Conley Quinn leaves, Dennis Lindsay 317 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.679 leaves brand new era of Jazz basketball that at this 318 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.360 point has not bred anything that's very exciting. And of course, 319 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.879 when you look back, e Wolves get Rudy, and Rudy's 320 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.279 been really good for them. I'm not sure that it 321 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.399 was ever going to lead them to a championship. And 322 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:10.039 that ownership group after that deal was left in flux 323 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.519 and there's this weird thing going on with a lawsuit 324 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.840 Alex Rodriguez on one side, and you know, ultimately they 325 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.919 had to make a financial decision. So they move on 326 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.159 from Karl Anthony Towns. They're bringing Julius Randall. And if 327 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.679 you're a Jazz fan, that's awesome because Randall is like 328 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.399 Westbrook to me. You can have him. If you want 329 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.639 to be in the Julius Randall business, you can have him. 330 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:29.039 Man. 331 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.559 And that's why I think Minnesota has kind of come 332 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.799 back down to earth. But just to revisit it real quick, 333 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.639 Minnesota gets Gobert, the Jazz received Malik Beasley played here 334 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.480 for a minute and then it was ultimately traded. At 335 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.080 the time, I believe I was the Lakers. I think 336 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:47.399 he's in Detroit now. Patrick Beverly never played here. Leandro 337 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:49.720 Bamarro not really sure what the deal is with that dude. 338 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.399 The Jazz did get Walker Kestler, who's really good and 339 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.320 really young. That was a value piece of that trade 340 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.879 because Walker was the number twenty two pick in the 341 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.120 draft by Minnesota Jared Vander who's now a Laker. So 342 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:05.240 the one player they received was Walker Kessler. So they 343 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.600 get a twenty three first round pick already been used. 344 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.799 They get a twenty five first round pick that will 345 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.840 potentially be used coming up this year, because I don't 346 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.519 do not think the Calves are going to come back 347 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:18.840 down to earth to the point where Minnesota's pick will 348 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:20.360 be the pick that goes to Phoenix. So I would 349 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.840 imagine the Jazz are going to have that Minnesota pick 350 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.080 this year. They get a twenty six pickswap. I don't 351 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.600 think that's going to be used. I would be surprised. 352 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:29.919 A twenty seven first round pick, a twenty nine first 353 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.440 round pick, so four first round picks, one pick swap, 354 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.080 and Walker Kessler for Rudy Gobert. So but at this 355 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.279 point you can really analyze it as simply go Bear 356 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.759 versus Kessler, right until we know what the draft capital 357 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.600 turns into, until we know exactly what the Jazz have 358 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.039 been able to do with the pieces they. 359 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.399 Receive for Rudy. This is still a very incomplete trade. 360 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:50.679 The trade they just made with the Phoenix Suns has 361 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.960 been celebrated by a lot of nerds online that analyze 362 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.360 these things, but we still don't know what that's going 363 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.679 to look like. You sent three first round picks, all 364 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.080 three of them most likely in the late first round, 365 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:04.640 to Phoenix in exchange for a wild card in exchange 366 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.480 for a twenty thirty one unprotected pick from the Phoenix Suns. 367 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.039 We will not know what that deal breeds until twenty 368 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.160 thirty one. Maybe the Jazz are the cousin that drives 369 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.599 up to Idaho and buys a lottery ticket and comes 370 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.240 home and they they're rich all of a sudden because 371 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.559 they win the lottery. But we won't know that, right 372 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:23.640 And So, when you think about the roster construction process 373 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.000 in pro basketball as it pertains to the type of 374 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.440 market that the Jazz exists in, what gives you hope 375 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.200 that the Jazz at some point could finally get this 376 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.079 thing done after fifty plus years of basketball and no titles. 377 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:41.000 I always point to the Spurs dynasty that essentially started 378 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.440 in nineteen ninety nine when the Spurs beat the Knicks. 379 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.119 They had David Robinson and Tim Duncan on that team. 380 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.559 Duncan was I think in his second year and David 381 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.359 Robinson was at the end of his career, and it 382 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.720 was a number of years, well it was only three 383 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.839 years actually until they were able to win another one. 384 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.799 The Lakers with Kobe and Shack were able to get 385 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.240 their three titles between in two thousand and two thousand 386 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.480 and two. Spurs went in two thousand and three, they 387 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.359 went again in two thousand and five, they went again 388 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.599 in two thousand and seven, and it even extended all 389 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.960 the way to twenty fourteen when San Antonio beat Miami 390 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:17.359 with Lebron James four to one. So because san Antonio 391 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.519 was able to build a team that was not just 392 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.559 able to win a championship or two, but truly was 393 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.599 a dynasty for a number of different years. 394 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:28.279 You know. 395 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:32.000 Ultimately, I've always kind of looked at them as the 396 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:35.920 benchmark for why I still believe it is possible for 397 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.759 the Jazz to do the same thing, because we can't 398 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.079 look at Miami when Lebron and d Wade and Bosh 399 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.200 just decided to team up. We can't look at Los 400 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.119 Angeles because the NBA players want to live in La 401 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.559 you know, even you know past Honasty's, the Golden State 402 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.599 Warriors with Stephen Curry. I mean there there are actually 403 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.119 more things that we can be analogous with with the 404 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.799 Jazz and Golden State that meets the eye, because Golden 405 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.440 State did draft, develop, and retain and then they were 406 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:06.519 able to add pieces around Steph Clay and Draymond. But 407 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:08.960 all three of those guys were drafted by Golden State, 408 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.279 they were developed by Golden State, and they were retained 409 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:13.079 by Golden State. 410 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.319 But only after those three started to show. 411 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.000 Some special things did a former All Star like Andrea 412 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.640 Wwoodala want to come play for Steve Kerr and Golden State. 413 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.920 So yeah, I mean there are some things that we 414 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.839 can draw parallels to. But san Antonio, starting in nineteen 415 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.960 ninety nine going through twenty fourteen, with essentially fifteen sixteen 416 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.160 years of top shelf basketball's always been the blueprint for me. 417 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:36.240 Say yes, if you can do it there, you can 418 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:36.720 do it here. 419 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.640 All due respect to san Antonio, it's not the spot 420 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.200 if you've ever been there. A Salt Lake City, at 421 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.680 least in my opinion's a better city. And then recently 422 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.000 we have some other examples. So yes, I am reaching 423 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.680 here and stretching here to try to give Jazz fans 424 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.519 a little hope because the current iteration under this new 425 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.680 ownership group has not provided much hope at all. And 426 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.720 recently there are other examples that we can lead in. Okay, 427 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.599 So two years ago, the Denver Nuggets, by the way, 428 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.720 they were your cousin who drove up to Iado to 429 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:09.759 get the lottery ticket and then came back down to 430 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.200 Salt Lake and watching powerball boom. They win the lottery. 431 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:14.519 It came in the form of the forty third pick 432 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.640 in the draft, where they received Nicola Jokic, who has 433 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.400 been the best player in pro basketball quite frankly for 434 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:22.759 six seven years and when he is done who he 435 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.960 will be known as the best player of this generation. 436 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.359 And he's having another phenomenal year. I think Shay's the MVP, 437 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.960 but Jokich is right there. And so that's a blueprint 438 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.240 you can look at because Denver is not a city 439 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.799 that's all that bigger than Utah and excuse me, Salt Lake, 440 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.680 and it's not a city that's a destination, and it 441 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:41.680 is a city that needs a little bit of luck, 442 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.839 just like we do here. The other example I'll lean 443 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:47.279 into is the Milwaukee Bucks in twenty twenty one. Now 444 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.559 it's very easy for me to say, do what Denver did, 445 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.400 do what Milwaukee did. But that's where the golden ticket 446 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.279 has to come into play, because just like Denver won 447 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.720 the lottery with Jokic, Milwaukee won the lottery with the 448 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.640 honest And still every time I lock into a Bucks 449 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:04.599 game and Gianna says the honest thing, I still believe 450 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.319 they're gonna have something to say when it comes to 451 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.039 winning a championship. You could be a little bit analogous 452 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.720 with the Toronto Raptors title back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, 453 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:18.400 but they won that title with Masaiyu Jerry being able 454 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.839 to negotiate a deal that was a rental for Kawi 455 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.039 for one year, and that was Pete Kawai. At the time, 456 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:26.920 he was probably a top five player in pro basketball. 457 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.440 But the other examples, I mean, look, you can't really 458 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.680 use the Celtics. We already talked about the Nuggets. Then 459 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:35.119 there's the Lakers, there's the Warriors, there's Miami. You know, 460 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:38.079 a couple of different times the MAVs had one title 461 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.119 when Dirk went peaked Dirk and they beat to Miami 462 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.480 Heat as well. It's tough to look at most of 463 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.000 the examples and say, Okay, they did it this way, 464 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.039 and the Jazz can probably do it that way as well. 465 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.720 But there are some examples, certainly in the past, and 466 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.880 the NBA is different now. But that San Antonio, you know, 467 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.119 that peak San Antonio fifteen year run. And then the 468 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:58.960 international guys that don't seem to move teams as much 469 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.920 as the domestic guys do. Know. I get pushed back 470 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:02.559 when I say that, but it's just the data that 471 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.599 we have. If Dallas gets one with Luca, there's another one. 472 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.839 Dallas is a big market. I think they're number six, 473 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.400 So it's not as clean of a parallel as it 474 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:12.720 is between Salt Lake and Denver, or Salt Lake and Milwaukee, 475 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.559 and of course saw Lake and San Antonio. 476 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:16.039 But it's tough right now. 477 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.640 And I know that a lot of fans just want 478 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.559 to go to a game, and that's why Jazz fans 479 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:21.519 continue to show up, and maybe you learn a little 480 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.319 something about Isaiah Calier and Walker Kessler and some of 481 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.799 these young players. But the road between where the Jazz 482 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.839 are now and where a team like Oklahoma City is 483 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:34.359 is a marathon, and I can't even sit here and 484 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.279 say they're two three years away from being back in 485 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.200 the mix. It feels like it's more more than that. 486 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:39.799 It feels like it's four or five six. Are you 487 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.200 willing to be patient with that process? The only time 488 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:46.440 will tell I misspoke, and one of my NBA nerd 489 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:50.359 friends let me know, So let me clear this up, 490 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:50.960 because I'm. 491 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.039 Sure everybody was so upset. 492 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:58.680 San Antonio won the championship in twenty fourteen over Miami, 493 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.319 but the year before Miami them so my bad. 494 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.440 All right, so hopefully everybody's day is fine. 495 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.319 We were talking about kind of markets where you can 496 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.839 be analogous with roster construction, and they've won championships with 497 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.359 Salt Lake City, San Antonio small market, Salt Lake City 498 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.279 small market. Our next guest is not a small market talent, 499 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.599 but he does work here. His name is Andy Larson. 500 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.440 On a Thursday. Andy, Happy Thursday, buddy. 501 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:21.839 How are you. 502 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.160 I'm good man, I'm good. 503 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:24.680 I'm good. 504 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.160 So that's kind of where I started the show today, 505 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.920 just talking about some roster construction stuff, and you know 506 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:37.000 the recent examples of Denver with Jokic and Milwaukee with Giannis, 507 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.480 and then of course the San Antonio dynasty. Just trying 508 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.319 to because look, it's a rough scene and I'm not 509 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.880 going to break down the recent Drew you Banks minutes, like, 510 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.559 we're just trying to figure out how we can give 511 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.759 this fan base some hope that may be a championship 512 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.000 is in the future. And of course a lot of 513 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:57.240 this is, you know, the context is a lot of luck. 514 00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:59.680 It's Jokic in the second round, it's Giannis in the 515 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.200 mid f it's that great team with Duncan, and you 516 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:05.039 need luck and the Jazz haven't had it. 517 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.039 But what are your thoughts on that for the fan 518 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:07.960 base out here. 519 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.920 Like can we ever win a championship and some of 520 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:13.599 examples that we could be a little bit analogous with, Yeah, I. 521 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.119 Think it's possible, and I think you're right. So like 522 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:19.319 San Antonio is a reasonable complict. They are similar size 523 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.599 cities and similar front offices. You know, like Greg Popovich 524 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.559 and Archie Buford were really clear that they built that 525 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.799 first version of the Spurs kind of on the model 526 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.960 of what the Utah Jazz could be in in the. 527 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:33.920 Late nineties and. 528 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.039 Kind of a small market team that works hard that 529 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:43.200 kind of builds a roster together, and you know, the 530 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.559 Spurs want a championship and the Jazz didn't, but I 531 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.319 certainly don't think it's impossible. 532 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:48.319 For the Jazz too. 533 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.599 And he fast forward even to today where you know 534 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:57.119 Dier and Fox wants probably out of Sacramento, is looking 535 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:01.359 for his next home, and the San Antonio Spurs look 536 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.839 like an attractive destination for him to him because they 537 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.119 have Victor and women Yama, and he can imagine playing 538 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.599 with one of the league's best talents for. 539 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.279 The next five years. 540 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:13.279 Right, So I think it does all start with the draft. 541 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.119 But if you are able to nail that, and you 542 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.720 are able to get really, really really good talent in 543 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.079 the drafts, then yeah, everything can come together and you 544 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:21.640 can actually win titles. 545 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:26.799 And I was driving the parallel between the NFL teams 546 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.519 that are left standing and what they've done to kind 547 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.519 of build, because you know, Philly on paper has superior 548 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.359 talent to Kansas City. Kansas City has fifteen under center 549 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.519 and they have Andy Reid. And ultimately, building a roster 550 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.599 in pro basketball is a little bit different than it 551 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.640 is in Pro football, but the Pillars remain the same 552 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.319 and it's ownership front office. Now, you have to have 553 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.079 talent obviously, and of course you want a guy that 554 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:52.559 can coach. 555 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:54.960 I think the Jazz have that guy that can coach 556 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:55.319 for sure. 557 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.359 I think we all believe if Will has really really 558 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.960 good talent at some point, well we'll see him maximize 559 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.240 good Town. We've seen him maximize mediocre talent. So I 560 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:05.640 think we all believe they have the right guy on 561 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.960 the bench. But do they have the right guy in charge? 562 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.119 They have the right guy as far as the ownership group, 563 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:11.839 do they have the right guy in the front office. 564 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.319 I think that's very much still a question mark Andy. 565 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.319 Yeah, and you know, I think so a couple of questions. Yeah, 566 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.559 does does Danny Ainge draft well? I think is a question. 567 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.039 You know, clearly his draft picks worked out for the 568 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.720 Boston Celtics, you know, but they're also a number of 569 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.920 question marks with him kind of later on in the 570 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.680 draft and then frankly with the Jets. The sixth picks 571 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.160 that Danny Ainge has made over the last two years 572 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.319 have not been you know, successful picks. I think it's 573 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.480 fair to say, you know, and those guys are still 574 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.720 young and can develop, but have not set the world 575 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.559 on fire in their first first year or two. And 576 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.519 then yeah, ownership, you know, I think Ryan Smith impressed 577 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.119 me by, you know, paying the luxury tax in the 578 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.799 first year, but he's obviously the branding stuff, both with 579 00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.519 the hockey club and the Jazz have been big missteps. 580 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.559 I think it's fair to question, you know, a variety 581 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:11.279 of other moves. I also think that in the NBA, 582 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:13.400 if you have the player and coach, it kind of 583 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.880 doesn't matter. And I look across the Rocky Mountains of 584 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.279 the Denver Nuggets, where the crankies are known as really 585 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.680 cheap owners and are not putting together a terrific front 586 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.440 office there in Denver. You know, they're they're not a 587 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.599 highly regarded front office or a highly regarded ownership group. 588 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.720 But still because they had Nikolay Jokic, and because they 589 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.920 put together good players around them who played their best basketball, 590 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.799 and then I think Michael Malone's a really, really good coach. Yeah, 591 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.720 they were able to win a title and and so 592 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.680 you know, you just kind of us like the right 593 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.119 intersection of things to come together at the right time 594 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.880 in order for it to work out. But I don't 595 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.759 think that like this ownership group is going to prevent 596 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.880 the Jazz from winning a title or anything like that. 597 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.680 And I want to be clear because I said, you know, 598 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:00.440 as far as the front office, to have the red 599 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.160 guys in charge, and you know, Danny's track record speaks 600 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.720 for itself. I'm not necessarily concerned about whether or not 601 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.200 Danny's good at his job. I just wonder how present 602 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.680 he is. I just wonder how involved he is. We 603 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.359 see him in a lot of college games, and he 604 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.559 does some media here or there. And I don't think 605 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.160 you're gonna meet anybody around pro basketball that doesn't really 606 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.799 respect Justin and I certainly do as well. But to 607 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.480 your point, when you have the talent, when you have 608 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.559 the coaching, that seems to be you know, some things 609 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.440 that can maybe cover up certain issues with the ownership 610 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.440 group or the front office. And I anecdotally I shared 611 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.079 this earlier. You know, when I was in college, a 612 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.920 professor of mine gave us all an assignment to go 613 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.880 interview somebody who's doing something currently that we think would 614 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:43.920 be cool to do at some point. And I sat 615 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.559 down with Scott Laiden, who was the GM of the 616 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.640 Jazz at the time, and one of the questions we 617 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.880 were supposed to ask them, is who are the most 618 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.000 important people in the organization? Who's the most important? Who 619 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:54.880 are the most important people in your business? 620 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:55.279 And why? 621 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.640 And when I asked Scott that, I thought he was 622 00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:59.880 gonna say, Larry Larry Miller, thought he was gonna say. 623 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:01.920 He didn't even blink. He said, it's. 624 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:05.319 John Stockton and Carmelone like period, end of story. Two 625 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.440 most important. Uh, you know, the two most important people, 626 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.440 not players, two most important people in the organization. So 627 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.680 maybe it is just a matter of when you find 628 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.440 those unicorns. You know, Denver is your cousin that drove 629 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.319 up to Idaho to get the lottery ticket and they 630 00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.319 won the lottery with Yo Kitchen the second round, and 631 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.839 Milwaukee did it did it with Jannisman first round. 632 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.680 Maybe that's what this is. Maybe that's all it is, 633 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:28.880 and we're just overthinking it. 634 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.319 I kind of think so yeah, and like not that everybody, 635 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.160 like everybody does matter, right, Like we saw the last 636 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.440 iteration of the Jazz kind of failed to put a 637 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.319 good enough core around Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Goobert, who also, 638 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:49.160 you know, just weren't top five players. We also saw that, 639 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.440 you know, the previous group before them failed to put 640 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.519 a good enough group around John Stockton and Carmelone, right, Like, 641 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.599 that's ultimately why the Stoking Malone team didn't win the title. 642 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.799 On an office does matter, but you're right, like, in 643 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.599 the end, it's probably the quality of star players that 644 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.039 you have. And you know, I think that's why a 645 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.200 little bit what the Jazz are doing with the tanking 646 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.680 makes some sense, because Cooper Flag does look like a 647 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.640 really top number one prospect, and if you do have 648 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.960 every chance to go get him, even if that chance 649 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:28.720 is only a fourteen percent chance, which it is, I 650 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.519 think you have to open your organization to that possibility 651 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:37.319 because you know, frankly, without him or without that caliber player, 652 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:38.480 or you're not really going. 653 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.599 Anywhere all Right to the current situation where we find 654 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.079 ourselves with the Jazz, Let's start with, and I don't 655 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.319 know who to credit here, but about two weeks ago 656 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.960 I saw something where it's like, yeah, Sacramento's in on 657 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.720 John Collins, and maybe that's something that comes down and 658 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.119 goes through. You've got some intel here, So you talked 659 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.759 to John about it and what so tell us what 660 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.799 John had to say when you downed this to him 661 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.759 and what you're understanding about A whether or not they 662 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.759 were close to making this deal, and B whether or 663 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:06.720 not it's still on the table. 664 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:07.839 Yeah. 665 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.680 James sam who's one of the best beat writers in Sacramento, 666 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:19.559 reported that the Kings had come gotten to final talks 667 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.079 in a trade conversation with the Jazz about John Collins, 668 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.240 and in particular, they were gonna send Kevin Herder, Trey Lyles, 669 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.279 a first round pick and a second round pick to 670 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.319 the Jazz for John Collins. Brett Siegel, you know, presented 671 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.319 that package. He's the reporter who did that. But everyone 672 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.039 agrees those were kind of basically the terms of the deal. 673 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:43.240 And then for whatever reason, those final contract negotiations that 674 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.720 either fell apart or put on ice. Apparently, James ham 675 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.200 says again the King's reporter says that they had even 676 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.920 told the players that John Collins was coming to Sacramento, 677 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.839 which is pretty wild, right, Like you you rarely hear 678 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.920 of a team telling a group of players that this 679 00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.039 trade is going to be done if it's not done yet, right. 680 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.240 So I went to John Collins today at shoot around 681 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.799 and just asked him about that, frankly, and said, hey, 682 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:13.599 you did you. 683 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.160 Know about that? And he he didn't. 684 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.160 You know, it was pretty clear he was honestly, he 685 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.039 asked me to repeat it twice, like he had not 686 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.799 heard about this potential trade to Sacramento. He had seen 687 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.799 like the rumors that hey, maybe the Kings might be interested, 688 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.000 along with a couple of other teams, but he hadn't 689 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.359 heard those rumors. So I thought that that was interesting. 690 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.039 And then, you know, but he said, look, he's also 691 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.640 not playing right now because he's on the trade market 692 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.240 and because the Jazz were tanking, and and he you know, 693 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.759 I think his trade in some ways does make sense 694 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.759 to him. And he's kind of in this Catch twenty 695 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.920 two where I think he likes Utah and he likes 696 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:49.440 the situation. 697 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:50.599 He likes his teammates, but. 698 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.240 You know, he likes Will Hardy, so on and so forth, 699 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.799 but I you know, would prefer to play basketball. And 700 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.319 it has been kind of a frustrating year for him. 701 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.960 So you know, he's trying to be a pro and 702 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.119 is a really I think, a great guy to talk to, 703 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.400 is really friendly. 704 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:05.680 With the media. 705 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.519 It's just a tough situation and he knows. You know, look, 706 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.519 we're a week away from the trade deadline. The Kings 707 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.799 are clearly very interested, and that could still happen with 708 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.920 the Deer and Fox Steel. But from his point of view, 709 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.599 he's he's right in and out for the next week 710 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.720 and trying to stay focus on what he can control, 711 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.359 which is obviously not these trade rumors. 712 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.839 Did you say Kevin Herder Trey Lyles a first and 713 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:30.400 a second? 714 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:31.319 Did I hear that right? 715 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.319 That's what Brett Siegel reported at Clutch Points. 716 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.920 Feels like a lot for John Collins question mark. 717 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.160 Yeah, and yet, so like Kevin Herder has had a 718 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.480 really bad season, and so the Kings are kind of 719 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.720 have been willing to put him, you know, they've benched him, 720 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.279 They've been willing to put him into trade conversations because 721 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.680 he does have a relatively big contract and he's only 722 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.359 shooting thirty percent from three this year. So where I 723 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.559 would have considered before this season Kevin heard it to 724 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.440 be a real plus. They no longer think of him 725 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.000 that way. I kind of would buy glow on him 726 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.320 and see, you know, what he could bring to the Jazz. 727 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.599 You know, I would be kind of excited about that move. 728 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:15.800 Even just one to one. 729 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.119 But it looks like, yeah, Kevin Herder plus Ray Lyles 730 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.000 plus a pick was the offer reported. And again I've 731 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.960 heard that kind of package from not just not just Siegel, 732 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.639 not just the Clutch Points guy, but from from other 733 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:31.440 sources as well. 734 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.760 Any other rumors out there about potential moves. I mean, 735 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.400 I think I said this to you a week ago. 736 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.360 It's hard to know. I mean, I know the guys 737 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.079 I trust, and I go to their individual websites or 738 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.519 I go to their individual socials, but I don't I 739 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.400 don't know, man, My Twitter algorithm is so messed up. 740 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.239 Sometimes I'll just get a random trade rumor or a link, 741 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.159 and I always click on it, and they always talk 742 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.000 about the Jazz. And we're hearing Colin Sexton, We're hearing 743 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:00.440 Jordan Clarkson. So what are you hearing as far as 744 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.519 other potential moves that the Jazz could make prior to 745 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.079 the deadline. 746 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:08.400 Yeah, I guess I'm not hearing anything specific other than 747 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.639 the columns to Sacramento king stuff about individual players to 748 00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:14.679 individual teams, you know, Like I'm with you, I'm reading 749 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.760 those reports. By the way, Like the website, hoops type 750 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.440 is really useful, and gms and executives around the league 751 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:26.400 also use hoop type to kind of get to kind 752 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.360 of combine and compile these rumors all in one place. 753 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.960 But yeah, you know, so like I think there is 754 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.559 league wide interest in Colin Sexton, or I guess not 755 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.159 league wide, but there are some teams interested in acquiring 756 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.519 him as a scoring guard. Jordan Clarkson is less attractive, 757 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.760 I think, just because he's been playing less well on 758 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.199 the court. 759 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.400 And you know, there are even like some. 760 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.760 Drew Eubanks mentioned out there, which is kind of interesting 761 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.559 as like a potential backup center for a. 762 00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:57.639 Team that may need them. 763 00:35:58.280 --> 00:35:59.760 I don't know that the Jazz are going to get 764 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.360 a lot in those trade conversations for some of those 765 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.960 other guys, but it is interesting that there does seem 766 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.760 to be those names floating around the markets as potential 767 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:10.159 answers for some of these teams. 768 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.199 So oftentimes, and I you know, tongue in cheek about 769 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.480 the Drew u Banks minutes earlier. I mean, Drew U 770 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:17.639 Banks is a good backup center. You know, I'm not 771 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.599 saying he doesn't have value, but there are times where 772 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.000 I'll see rotational decisions and just kind of roll my eyes, like, 773 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.039 all right, there's nothing there but the keyante George coming 774 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.280 off the bench. Decision is not nothing, because I've talked 775 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.880 to you about this, most of our national NBIA guys 776 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.920 about this too. At some point you got to figure 777 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.480 out who he is. At some point, you got to 778 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.360 figure out whether or not he's part of the future plans. 779 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.239 At some point you have to figure out whether or 780 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.800 not he has a role for a team that actually 781 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.079 is trying to win. And my analysis of him on 782 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.559 a good team is that he is a scoring combo 783 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.719 guard off the bench. Now, the Jazz have one in 784 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.559 Colin Sexton, they have one in Jordan Clarkson. 785 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.440 There's some redundancy on the roster, but what. 786 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.599 Do you perceive the goal is with Will now bringing 787 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.079 Key off the bench and starting Isaiah Callier. 788 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.840 The goal is, and we asked Will about this in 789 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.480 press conferences in otherwise, the goal is to get Kiante 790 00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.239 to play defense, you know, straight up, like, uh, we 791 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.159 as much as it could be cool to, you know, 792 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.639 ellivate Isaiah Collier and you know he's playing kind of 793 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:28.320 pass first basketball. The goal is to give Kiante a 794 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.079 little bit of a wake up call, like, hey, what 795 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.960 you're doing right now isn't enough, and uh he simply 796 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.760 has to try more on the defensive end or else. 797 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.079 He is not an NBA player. He is the worst 798 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.000 defender on the worst defense in basketball. I guess now 799 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.119 that Jabs are the second worst defense in basketball. Progress 800 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:54.800 Uh it is, it's and then also, you know, and 801 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.960 if you can maybe get away with that if you're 802 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.199 a seller offensive player and he's shooting thirty eight from 803 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.880 the field thirty percent from. 804 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.280 The field on offense. So like it's just meant to. 805 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.239 Be a wake up call to Kiance George, you have 806 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.320 to play defense. You have to start trying more on 807 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.760 that end. I've seen him try a little bit more 808 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:14.079 in the. 809 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.199 Game since the benching. 810 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.679 The problem is, he told us the other day he's 811 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.239 never had a coach before will Hardy get on him 812 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.599 about his defensive play before. And that's wild to me, Like, how, 813 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.360 you know, how have you gone through twenty years of 814 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.480 coaching before having. 815 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:31.920 This happen to you? 816 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.679 But heck in an AAU world where he's like a 817 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.360 top recruit and known for his scoring and shooting crowds, 818 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.000 I also kind of understand how that might have happened. 819 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.760 And so this is a new world for Kyant and 820 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.119 I think like even when he tries he's still not 821 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:47.679 good on that end, but it's got to. 822 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.840 Start with effort. I think that's what the Jazz are hoping. 823 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.920 For by moving him to the benches, is to see 824 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.199 more of that effort and to see his focus change 825 00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.119 so that you know, it's it's not about whether or 826 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.000 not he looks at a game as a success based 827 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.079 on how many points. 828 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.199 He has, but on what he does on both ends 829 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:04.679 of the floor. 830 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.840 Probably because he came up in AAU, he was never 831 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.800 coached to play defense, but Scott Drewid Baylor is thought 832 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.400 to be a defensive minded coach. That that is a 833 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.719 pretty stunnied admission, not gonna lie. 834 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.800 Agreed, and I was. I was surprised at that too. 835 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.519 It's like, not even at the college level. And you know, 836 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.559 I didn't go back and forth with Keante on that, 837 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.960 but he said, that's the first time in his life 838 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.440 that a coach has been on him about his defense. 839 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:37.320 And again, that's surprising to me. It wasn't surprising when 840 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.480 I when I told well Hardy about that to him, 841 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.599 just because like you know, a we see it on 842 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.000 the floor and be that's like, that is. 843 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.920 The environment where guys kind of are in right now. 844 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.760 Where coaches are afraid teams are gonna guys, you know, 845 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.559 really talented players are going to transfer AU programs or 846 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.239 transfer colleges. Like there is kind of this reluctance right 847 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.920 now to coach, and it's think, you know, there are 848 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.199 some really good young players who try really hard on 849 00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.159 the defensive ends. But for some players, and I give 850 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.639 Idea Callier Frankly a lot of credit there where he 851 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.079 was the number one high school recruit and clearly is 852 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.320 giving a better effort on defense than Kyante. 853 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.840 So you know, I don't. 854 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.920 Think all the kids are are screwed necessarily or anything, 855 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.920 but in Kyante's case, it's just got to be so 856 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:24.840 so so much better. 857 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.199 All Right, Minnesota is in town tonight, and that always 858 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.960 gives us the ability to look back on the Rudi 859 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.039 Goobert deal and the Rudy Gobert trade and analyze where 860 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:37.320 we're at with it today now. 861 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.239 When the deal was made, I. 862 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.119 Felt like I was the only one that was like, look, 863 00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:44.280 we'll see I mean on paper, yes, was it a lot, 864 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.239 Sure it was a lot, but only time will tell. 865 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.719 The player they received was Walker, and Walker's really good, 866 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.159 and it's really exciting to see what he's done this 867 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.199 year and potentially analyze what he could be if he 868 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.760 keeps working and stays healthy. The pick that they've viewed 869 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.719 so far was Kiante very very much still out. All 870 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.039 the other players they received in that deal, no longer 871 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.760 on the team. In two years in Minnesota, Rudy more 872 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.400 or less has done more or less what he did here. 873 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.840 Maybe outside of those two three year you know, real 874 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.880 peak go bear years Minnesota, I thought, you know, last 875 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.400 couple of years, maybe one of the teams in the 876 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.320 West that may have a shot. They made a financial 877 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.920 move because their ownership situation is in flux, get rid 878 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.559 of Karl Anthony Towns. But as we sit here today, 879 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.599 looking back on the deal a number of years ago, 880 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.320 what's the Andy Larson take. 881 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.760 Yeah, I mean, I still think we're in that kind 882 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.960 of same position where the most valuable picks are still 883 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.239 to come. Walker Kessler is still a very good piece. 884 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.639 I'd still rather be on the Jazz side of the deal, 885 00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:45.719 kind of in a vacuum the Jazz. I think the 886 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.239 Jazz hoped when they made that trade that they would 887 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.679 have a short rebuild right like that, rather than draft 888 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.280 all of those players with all those picks they would 889 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.559 be able to trade them for a star moving forward, 890 00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:01.239 and that clearly not happened, and that goal has been delayed, 891 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.800 if not abandoned. Right like that, let's start there. But 892 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.239 what happens with the other picks really matters. And you know, 893 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.840 I think the Timberwolves are probably less good than they 894 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.800 hope that they would be after the trade, right Like, Look, 895 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.800 they're what two or three games. 896 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.519 Above five hundred right now, and. 897 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.920 I do think you've seen significant slippage this year from 898 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.960 Mike Conley and Rudy Gobert, and you know, Joe Ingles 899 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:32.880 is not an NBA player anymore. And yeah, as a result, 900 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.679 like you know, if I'm betting over the next heck, 901 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.360 just over the next five years, which player I'd rather 902 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.280 have on my team, I'm probably taking Walker Kessler over 903 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.719 Rudy Gobert, just because of how old they are and 904 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.480 what happens to players as their age curve advances. So ultimately, yeah, 905 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.960 I'm still kind of taking the Jazz's end of the deal, 906 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.039 and as in the value. 907 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.519 Proposition, and it's up to the Jazz to make the best. 908 00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.800 Of those picks that they do have from Minnesota leftover, 909 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:00.800 So all right. 910 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.480 Away from the Jazz. We have some breaking news. We 911 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.960 will not play our cheesy breaking news sounders. But according 912 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.000 to the Utah Hockey Club, you just came down three 913 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.400 minutes ago. I'll just read the tweet. Hey, Utah Hockey fans, 914 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:14.639 we listened to your feedback and dug in all the 915 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.280 qual tricks data from last night's survey. No, they didn't 916 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.320 for the team name. It's clear that the Outlaws should 917 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.920 be in the mix instead of Wassatch, so we're swapping 918 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.679 it out. The surveys will continue at the reen on Friday. No, 919 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.440 they won't Sunday and Tuesday. Liar for you to vote, No, 920 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.840 you won't for the options which are now Utah Mammoth, 921 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.559 Utah Hockey Club and the Utah Outlaws. 922 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.599 What's your reaction to this whole cluster? 923 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.159 You know what. 924 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.719 I'm I mean, that's a good change. 925 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.599 Look, I was really frustrated yesterday with. 926 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.360 Them with the PR. 927 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.360 Side of it, right Like, I had a really frink 928 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.719 conversation with someone from SEGPR yesterday and the hallway of 929 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.639 the Delta Center, and we went back and forth pretty well. 930 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.400 I tweeted what I tweeted. Look, I do not the 931 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.559 whole wash. That thing was a bad idea, and it's 932 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.239 like it's a good idea. It's good thing that they've 933 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.239 replaced it without laws. I think that they have replaced 934 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.840 it without laws makes it make sense, makes it uh, 935 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.880 makes it more fans centric than it was before. Clearly 936 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.760 that in my brain, Like when I scrolled through Twitter, 937 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.199 was kind of the second most favored of the of 938 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.960 the team names that I had seen, And I think 939 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.559 that that makes it a real contest again, right, Like 940 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.239 I thought what they had set up yesterday was fake 941 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.719 and was yeah pointing towards Mammos, because your choices are 942 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.199 between a team without a name, a team that a 943 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.280 team named that sug had inventioned that nobody wanted, and 944 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.719 the Utah Mammoths. And now, okay, all of a sudden, 945 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.159 you've got a second real option there. So I'm exceeded 946 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:54.960 to see what happens there. I guess the other thing 947 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.960 I would say there is that probably means they got 948 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.000 the heads up from their lawyers that they could confidence 949 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:07.039 trademark outlaws, and that's a good thing. So wild the 950 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.079 process has been convoluted, and I disagree with the idea 951 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.239 that the SEG is unique in its connection with fans 952 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.119 in the history of professional sports or whatever they put 953 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.360 in the press release last night. 954 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:21.360 This change is good. 955 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.079 No that you pointed it out, because the last paragraph 956 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.679 in the press release ruled. 957 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.440 I'm like, who wrote this, Abraham Hicks, and I'm going 958 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:29.880 to read it. 959 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.840 The commitment SEG has to involve the fans in the 960 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.039 community in the naming process is unique in the history 961 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.519 of professional sports. SEG said they're on track to announce 962 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.639 the permitted team name before the start of the twenty 963 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.239 five twenty six NHL season. That's not even unique to Utah, 964 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.280 let alone all the professional sports. 965 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:48.800 Like that is a wild assertion. 966 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.119 Look, I pointed that out on Twitter yesterday and they said, 967 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:54.400 that's not remarkably false. 968 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.800 That's that's our opinion. And it's like, I just wish 969 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.360 you well. So many of the people over. 970 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.239 There come from a tech background, right where everything is 971 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:11.159 the way the success in tech is through selling high dreams, 972 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.599 regardless of whether or not you're making money, regardless of 973 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.880 whether or not you're kind of doing well in real 974 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.880 world terms, and there is so much of that attitude 975 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:25.039 that that permeates SEG. I think in general, I thought 976 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.400 that paragraph was an example of that. I think how 977 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.039 this naming process a little bit has been an example 978 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.039 of that. And you know, again in a lot of 979 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.119 other different ways. That being said, you know, credit when 980 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.159 credit is due. This swap today that you just told 981 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.519 me about I didn't know about is a good thing. 982 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.840 I love. They said, that's their opinion. 983 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.920 That reeks of Kelly and Conway talking about alternative facts. 984 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:49.599 But anyway, do you have it? 985 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.639 Do you have a preferred name that you'd like to 986 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:53.880 see when this when this thing comes to a close. 987 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.400 Oh, I don't know now that it is mammoth verus Outlaws, 988 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.920 I'm not thought about it. I probably go outlaws then. 989 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.000 I like, uh, I like the alliteration there. I like 990 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.239 the I like that it's kind of real to Utah 991 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.239 history and like a very neat way. Yeah, I think 992 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.280 you know, off the top of my head, on two's 993 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.159 outlaws of those three, give. 994 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.679 Me one reason why you're optimistic about the lads this year? 995 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:24.639 Do I have to? 996 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:26.440 I mean, I just give me one if. 997 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.159 There's got to be one, Andy. 998 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.320 Okay, the midfield is still awesome, right like yeah, like 999 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.880 Oheita and Anelli and public reads coming back to school, 1000 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.079 milm Placio has been great. I'm meeting with those guys 1001 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.639 tomorrow for chat about the off season and the season 1002 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.320 to come, and I'm excited to kind of learn what 1003 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.480 I learned in that conversation tomorrow morning. 1004 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.760 All Right, buddy, well, appreciate the time. The sun is shining, 1005 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.480 so golf is right around the corner. We got to 1006 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.199 get out when when the snow's gone. 1007 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.480 Okay, let's do it. I need it, all right, Andy Larson, 1008 00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.360 Salt Lake Tribune. 1009 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.320 I always appreciate data sign for the latest on the 1010 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.599 Utah Jazz and data and such at Andy B. Larson 1011 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.920 is where you find him on social media. All right's 1012 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.679 still a few days away from Super Bowl fifty nine, 1013 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.880 but never about time to talk football. I never know 1014 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.159 where our next guest is. He could be in Hawaii, 1015 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.840 he could be in Germany. He could be golfing, he 1016 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:21.960 could be grinding on tape. I'll let him tell us, 1017 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.559 Scott Mitchell, where you're at. Not a Thursday afternoon. 1018 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.000 Just sitting in the living room on the couch. I'm 1019 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:33.760 actually building a studio spence, so wow, Yeah, I think 1020 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:40.960 I'm going to be joining the ESPN network of stations 1021 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.960 here in a couple of weeks. 1022 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:44.079 Do you have something? 1023 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.920 Do you have something you'd like to I was going 1024 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.719 to say, do you have something you'd like to announce 1025 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.360 to our audience and quite frankly all of us over here. 1026 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.440 Yeah, So the old Sister station, I guess, I guess 1027 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.840 you'd call it that nine sixty. 1028 00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:58.079 Sure. 1029 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.239 I'm going to be doing a show in the UH 1030 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.440 in the afternoon from one to two, so on that station. 1031 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.119 Do we have a name? Do we have a name 1032 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:08.559 in place? 1033 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:08.960 Scott? 1034 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:10.920 I don't know. 1035 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.079 I'm thinking the Hour of Power or the Power Hour, 1036 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:18.440 or the Lunch Hour or because it's only an hour, 1037 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:20.320 and I gotta you know, I got to swing for 1038 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.440 the fences with the hour. So I'm gonna I'm gonna 1039 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.960 bring the best, the deepest cuts and takes and just 1040 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.000 fly off the rails for about an hour on the radio. 1041 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:31.039 That's what I'm gonna do. 1042 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.800 I like it The Power Hour with Scott Mitchell. Let's 1043 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.199 do the Power Hour with Scott Mitchell. 1044 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.840 I like that. Okay, all right, and you know what, Rail, you. 1045 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.719 Know, you know what, Scott. Just for you, I'm gonna 1046 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:42.840 workshop some things tonight. I'm gonna send you a couple 1047 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:44.039 of ideas how about we do that. 1048 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.159 I would love that. Okay, yeah, let's do it. Well. 1049 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.079 Very exciting, very exciting, all right, Scott, let's stock a 1050 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.400 little super Bowl. But before we get there, let's sock 1051 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.480 a little. Let's loock a little conference champs conference championship games, 1052 00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.880 and then we'll move on. Let's start with Philly and Washington. 1053 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:02.800 We had you on last week. I thought you did 1054 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.760 a good job of articulating just how exciting your one 1055 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.119 for Commanders fans was. 1056 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:08.559 With Jayden Daniels under center. 1057 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.360 I thought Philly would win, but I thought it would 1058 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.840 be close, and they smoked them. So takeaways NFC Championship, 1059 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:17.679 Philly moves on, Washington goes home. 1060 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.800 Yeah, And really, it's football is about the trenches, and 1061 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.599 it always is. I mean, you can talk about the 1062 00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:30.840 marquee players and the stars and the superstars, but it's 1063 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.119 the guys up front. And Philadelphia might be the best 1064 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.440 team in the NFL up front right now on offense 1065 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.719 and defense. They had guys injured on their offensive line 1066 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.239 and they were still being very, very effective. And you know, 1067 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.480 on the other side of it, you have no rookie 1068 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.920 quarterback has ever taken their team to the Super Bowl. 1069 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:55.480 So it's a tall order, but when I hear stats 1070 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.400 like that, it just tells me it's about time someone did. 1071 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:03.159 And that's kind of why I picked Washington. And I 1072 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.400 you know, I've just been so impressed with Jade and Daniels. 1073 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:10.159 But this Philadelphia team, Uh, it's they're gonna be a 1074 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:15.239 tough out. They're they're really really athletic in the secondary, 1075 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.800 and they've just they've been like glue on on the 1076 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:23.119 receivers for the teams pretty prolific offenses, and they've they've 1077 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.360 really stepped up their game. And you know, it's gonna 1078 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:31.960 be interesting to see how well the Chiefs handle that, 1079 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.840 you know, because it might take Patrick Mahomes doing a 1080 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.440 little running magic, and he's done more of that into 1081 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.800 the playoffs, and uh, but it's it's gonna be a 1082 00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.960 tough out. And then you know, sa Kwon Barkley, as 1083 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.880 you know, he's such a talent. And I've heard people say, oh, look, 1084 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.440 you know, the the running back is now pack in 1085 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.320 the NFL, and and I don't. I don't believe that's 1086 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.719 necessarily true. What I believe is what is always the case, 1087 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.960 and that's talent. Talent always finds a way to rise 1088 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.360 to the occasion no matter no matter what position where 1089 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:11.320 it is. And sa Kuon Barkley is a special talent 1090 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.639 and he's a guy that they figured out how to, 1091 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.119 you know, how to be explosive. And coaches in the 1092 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.239 NFL they don't care like they're just like, wherever I 1093 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.000 can find production, wherever I can move the ball, wherever 1094 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.199 I can have a mismatch, That's where I'm gonna go. 1095 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.719 And and they have that ability. And part of it 1096 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.880 is Jalen Hurts is a guy that can run as 1097 00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.559 well as throw the football and and so there's just 1098 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.239 an honest factor with him in the game. And you 1099 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.920 kind of saw that where they really played off of 1100 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:46.239 each other so nicely and so so they're they're gonna 1101 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.119 be tough offensively and and and you know they've been 1102 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.000 there before and and so they're not this moment isn't 1103 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:56.760 bigger than them for the Eagles. Uh, you know it'll be. 1104 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.800 It's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard for Kansas 1105 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.199 City to actually win this game. 1106 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.599 I always roll my eyes when I hear people say, well, 1107 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.920 the running back position is dead or the center position 1108 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:12.039 is dead in basketball, Like you know, every you know 1109 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.079 for for a long time, everybody's saying, well, if you 1110 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.719 do not have a six seven six ' eight wing, 1111 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.159 dominant wing in pro basketball, you can't win a championship. 1112 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.320 Small players, point guards don't move the needle. And then 1113 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.679 Steph Curry was like, oh yeah, I mean, ultimately, the 1114 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.880 top end talent, you cannot blanket a position by saying 1115 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.159 this position is dead because the top end talent at 1116 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.360 any position, Scott will always move the. 1117 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.559 Needle, running back, right guard, whatever it is. 1118 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.960 If you can have top end talent, then all the 1119 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.719 conversation about a position or group being dead is just dumb. 1120 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.599 No, it really is. It's a great point. I mean, 1121 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.880 these these athletes can't they can't go excuse me for 1122 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:55.119 being this body type or being this position type. And 1123 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.400 and it just it just how it's just how it 1124 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.119 is in the NFL, and they they just find a 1125 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.159 way that that talent and and I'm you know, I'm 1126 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.519 sure the same thing is is the case in the ABIT. 1127 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.960 You know, you think of Michael Jordan coming along, and 1128 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.400 like they've never seen a player like Michael Jordan, and 1129 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.320 now you see a lot of players like that, and 1130 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.280 and and Steph certainly, you know he he kind of 1131 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:21.079 changed the whole whole dynamic of of how the game's 1132 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.960 played and the position and and you know, it's it's 1133 00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:30.840 it's really about. I just remember early on in my 1134 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.400 career and Gene Upshaw, who was the president of the 1135 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.639 Players Association, and they were trying to ratify this whole 1136 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.760 idea of free agency, and he just said, there's always 1137 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.360 going to be stars there, and they're just they're they're 1138 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.320 going to come from all different kinds of places and positions, 1139 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.360 but there's always going to be stars. And this league 1140 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:57.039 ultimately is driven by those stars, wherever they come from. 1141 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.840 And the league knows this. You know, they're going to 1142 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.280 promote the heck out of out of whoever is that 1143 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.719 is that star. And they don't they don't care what 1144 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.519 what position it is. I mean, you look at a 1145 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.760 guy like Taysom Hill undrafted, uh, but just the guy 1146 00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.599 has talent and they figured out how to put him 1147 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.039 on the field. And quite frankly, Jalen Hurts, who's in 1148 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.599 the Super Bowl, was initially drafted because the Philadelphia Eagles 1149 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.840 thought he was the next iteration of Taysom Hill. They 1150 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.039 drafted him to be kind of that specialized Swiss Army 1151 00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.320 knife guy and lo and behold he actually turns into 1152 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.039 a quarterback. And Taysom Hill didn't you know? So? Uh So, 1153 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.920 the talent is one of those things. You know, Puka Nakua, 1154 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.239 who's one of the top receivers in the NFL. He 1155 00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.960 it is because he's good and and and so there 1156 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.639 there's always a place, there's always a position, you know. 1157 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.719 You I think another guy who's done that is Vilichick. 1158 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.280 And you you know, you get some of these, you know, 1159 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.119 Wes Welker's or Julian Edemans, and they go, those guys 1160 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.920 are undersize, they can't play, and they go, no, they can. 1161 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.159 You put them in the middle of the field here 1162 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.480 and let them let their talent shine and they'll get 1163 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.599 open and they'll catch the heck out of the football 1164 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.679 and they'll make your offense so much more explosive and 1165 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.400 dynamic and productive. But it's just it's again, the NFL 1166 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.679 will find whatever nook and cranny, whatever position, whatever uniqueness 1167 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.079 it is, if you can play, you will stay. 1168 00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.719 Let me ask you, Yeah, you know that's good. That's good. 1169 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:36.840 I just stay tuned one to two on our sister 1170 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.360 station coming soon, The Power Hour. 1171 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:39.039 Scott Mitchell. 1172 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:42.320 Since I asked you about Jadeen Daniels last week, let 1173 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:43.920 me dig into your thoughts on Jalen. 1174 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.280 Jalen Hurts so Philadelphia. 1175 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:49.000 Last year, only Carolina, Chicago, and New England have fewer 1176 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:50.199 passing yards per game. 1177 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.239 Jalen was number ten in QBR. 1178 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.920 He's the last ranked quarterback of any qualified quarterbacks in 1179 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.320 the postseason in QBR. 1180 00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.719 But for some reason, I still really like him. 1181 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.880 I feel like maybe I'm on an island here, but 1182 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.880 he It's interesting that we have a team in the 1183 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.559 Super Bowl where the coach is in question and the 1184 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.920 quarterback is in question, thought to be the two most 1185 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.920 important pieces of pro football. But what do you like 1186 00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.840 about Jalen and what bugs you as somebody played that position? 1187 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.920 Well, I don't. I don't like Jalen Hurst. I love him, actually, 1188 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.840 and I'll tell you why. Here's a guy who went 1189 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.519 to Alabama, leads him to a national championship, goes back 1190 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.480 and gets benched in the national championship game for TUA, 1191 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.440 and then stay, doesn't transfer, doesn't pout, doesn't complain, takes 1192 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:41.320 his medicine, finishes out, and then goes to uh Oklahoma 1193 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:45.400 as a grad transfer and really turns it around because 1194 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:48.639 Jalen was not a good passer. And then he goes 1195 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:50.920 to the NFL and he goes, as I said earlier, 1196 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:54.440 as this novelty and then he can you know, he 1197 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.760 kind of converted himself into a guy could actually throw, 1198 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.400 and it to me, it was really remarkable because I 1199 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.199 really did think he was going to be like a 1200 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.079 Taysom Hill, where you know, he couldn't really throw that well. 1201 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.559 And there are people that say maybe he still can't 1202 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:12.920 do it. But the guys why I love him is 1203 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.119 because he's stuck through all of that stuff. He looked 1204 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.320 at where he was weak and he figured out how 1205 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:23.159 to make it actually a strength of his and he's 1206 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.400 a winner. He's he's been a winner. He's a guy 1207 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.639 I like these guys that you know have have kind 1208 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.639 of been through some stuff and got a little bit 1209 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.679 of a chip on their shoulder and and he just 1210 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.840 feel like he's kind of that guy that like, don't 1211 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.599 count me out. And and the worst thing you could 1212 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.800 ever do is like tell me that I'm no good, 1213 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.119 because I'm gonna I'm gonna prove you wrong. And and 1214 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:49.079 that grit and that toughness is part of why this 1215 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.719 team is in the super Bowl and why they're there 1216 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.360 and why they can why they can win it, and he, 1217 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:57.880 I mean, he's got enough around him on I mean 1218 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.280 as a whole football team that you know, he doesn't 1219 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.400 have to be Josh Allen. He doesn't have to be 1220 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:08.679 the superstar guy by himself. He's you know, he having 1221 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.400 a second fiddle in in uh saquon Is has probably 1222 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.559 been a huge benefit to him. And yeah, I just 1223 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:19.599 I just wouldn't count out Jalen hurts. 1224 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.079 It all speaking of Josh Allen's go over to the 1225 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.599 AFC Championship Game, and on Friday of last week, I said, 1226 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:28.440 I'm riding with the Bills. It feels like it's Josh's time. 1227 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.119 But I fully anticipate sitting on my couch on Sunday 1228 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.079 evening going, you idiot, what are you doing? 1229 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.519 And that's, uh, that's what happens. 1230 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.079 So your takeaways of Kansas City just doing Kansas City things, 1231 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.480 finding ways to win, and what's your take now on 1232 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.760 yet another exit from Josh Allen and the narrative around 1233 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:46.679 him moving forward. 1234 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.400 It's a tough one. And it's tough because I mean 1235 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:56.360 Josh actually played pretty decent. Uh, you know, in the game, 1236 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.880 and but you could just tell that that anchor still 1237 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.920 on his around his neck. You could see when the 1238 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.119 game got closed, or you know, they'd show visions of 1239 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.920 him on the sideline. You know, most most guys are 1240 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.000 like stone face. You know, they don't give you any expression, 1241 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.679 and you can just feel the worry or they're like, 1242 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.079 oh my goodness, here this goes again kind of thing. 1243 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.079 And and it kind of impacts your your your ability 1244 01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.559 to play because that last drive when they just really 1245 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:27.000 needed it, whether it was calling plays or what they 1246 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.159 were doing, uh, you know, it just it was kind 1247 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.519 of it was playing kind of small, you know, it's 1248 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:39.079 almost almost tentative. Uh, you know, Kansas City goes, look, 1249 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.559 we're gonna There were two different plays and two critical situations. 1250 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:47.079 One where Patrick Mahomes rolls out and actually runs for 1251 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.960 the first down. And then there was another play that's 1252 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:54.199 really it's a zone and a man concept and and 1253 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.079 that you know, something that that they you know, called 1254 01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.519 probably a million times, and he throws the ball to 1255 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.000 the back out of the backfield and it's it's the clincher. 1256 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.559 And and Andy Reid's talked about this and every co 1257 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.880 you know, every play they have these plays, you know, 1258 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.320 for those situations, like you know, unveil your best play 1259 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.079 in that critical situation. And one that's you know, it's 1260 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.320 and instead of well, let's just run our quarterback for 1261 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.519 a quarterback sneak three or four times. And and so 1262 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:28.239 I just I think in order for Josh Allen to 1263 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.480 get over that hump, there's got to be more play 1264 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:36.960 to win. You know, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. 1265 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.920 You've got to be more bold and more creative. And 1266 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.800 some of the things they're actually doing and hopefully will 1267 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.679 because he's you know, he's a really good talent, and 1268 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:47.960 they're a really good team, and they're really close, and 1269 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.880 it's just unfortunate you have to play Andy Reid and 1270 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.920 Patrick Mahomes at their very best. That's that's hard to 1271 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:55.599 hard to get over. 1272 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.079 Speaking of that, we'll move over now to Super Bowl 1273 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.840 fifty nine Caesars A super Dome, New Orleans, Louisiana, and 1274 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:03.639 it's a rematch of a game a couple of years 1275 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.360 ago that felt like Philly was on their way and 1276 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.239 then Kansas City, you know, they did what they do, 1277 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.039 They came back and they wanted to get in. Kansas 1278 01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.119 City is a slight favorite. I thought this line would 1279 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.880 move and it hasn't at all. For the for seventy 1280 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.519 two hours. Now it's the Chiefs minus one point five 1281 01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:21.719 the over unders forty nine point five. What you gotta 1282 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.639 tell you, Scott about this game coming up on Sunday 1283 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:25.039 the ninth. 1284 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.239 And I'm sure that slight advantage is just because of 1285 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:33.920 the experience of Patrick Mahomes and and Andy Reid, and 1286 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.400 they just they just understand. It's almost like they you know, 1287 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.199 they just expect to be there and this is just 1288 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.960 just this normal territory for them. Winning a Super Bowl 1289 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.039 is really hard, and winning a second one is harder, 1290 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.519 probably the hardest thing to do. And and now the 1291 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.840 third one is you know, it's it's kind of house money. 1292 01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:59.000 It's like who cares at this, you know this point. 1293 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.880 So there's there's any pressure on Kansas City extra. I 1294 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:04.000 know a lot of people are going to make a 1295 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.199 big deal about a free peat because you know, it's 1296 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.840 never been done in football, But I just don't think 1297 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:15.280 it's really gonna bother them. They both of these teams 1298 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:18.559 are are pretty complete, you know, on both sides of 1299 01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:25.480 the ball, and I just, you know, I just I 1300 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.360 just feel it's going to be a good game. I 1301 01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.599 don't think anyone's gonna get blown out of this game. 1302 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:33.400 I don't think the Eagles are going to be like overwhelmed, 1303 01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:37.360 you know, or intimidated or or anything like that. I 1304 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.639 feel like there's energy and you know, gas still in 1305 01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.760 the tank for the Chiefs, because that's an emotional thing 1306 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:48.360 to go through and win seventeen games in a row, 1307 01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:51.199 not just seventeen, but in a row by one point 1308 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:55.000 one score or less. That just kind of, you know, 1309 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:57.159 after a while, gets on your nerve. You think of 1310 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.960 that old gunslinger. You know, he's been in that gunfight 1311 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.119 so many times that now just he just kind of 1312 01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:05.039 has just little trembled to him. Or or you know, 1313 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.079 saving Private Ryan. You know, after a while, it just 1314 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.079 you get the yips, you know, you get you know, 1315 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.000 he just the nerves just they just take over and 1316 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.320 they and it doesn't feel that way for the Chiefs. 1317 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.639 They feel like, cool, we got a chance to win. 1318 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:21.079 We know how to do this at the end of 1319 01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:22.760 the game, and they and they do it, and so 1320 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.320 I just I feel like something in me just says 1321 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:28.639 this is going to be just a really good football 1322 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.639 game and something that a lot of people will win, 1323 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.599 and I really think it's just going to come down 1324 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.880 to at the end of the game, you know who 1325 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.119 manages the best and who who who can find that 1326 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.480 way to just get that drive, that one drive laid 1327 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.599 in the game that seals the deal. That's what I 1328 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.760 really think, this whole game is going to come down to. 1329 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.039 All right, Scott, before I set you loose, get ready 1330 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.960 the way too early. Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six 1331 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:01.679 twelve team CFP projection from Bill Connley of ESPN with 1332 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.199 his sp plus data and out of the Big twelve 1333 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.320 representing the conference. According to Bill Conley, is the University 1334 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.320 of Utah in the twelve team CFP next year. Give 1335 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:12.719 me a Scott Mitchell hot take on that. 1336 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:17.239 Well, the covers weren't there, you know, I think it 1337 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:19.840 felt that way. I mean, it was just a painful season. 1338 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:24.639 Utah was in every game pretty much, even the Colorado 1339 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:26.360 game that got away from him. In the end. They 1340 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.079 were they were It was a it was a it 1341 01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.320 was a winnable game until you know, they just kind 1342 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:36.480 of could get nothing going offensively. So you have a defense, 1343 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.880 it's gonna be good. It was really good last year 1344 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.599 it's gonna be as good, if not better again this year. 1345 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.039 And then and then you just add some offense, you know, 1346 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:50.480 just just find some production offensively. And I really like 1347 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:55.800 what I really like Jason Beck. I've had a chance 1348 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.559 to talk to him, you know, quite extensively, actually, and 1349 01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:02.400 I like what he's all about is his style, his philosophy, 1350 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.599 and and and coach Whittingham is putting him in a 1351 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.679 position to really implement what he knows, what he believes, 1352 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.159 and he's got his quarterback that he believes. So so 1353 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:16.320 there's not even though that you have these new players 1354 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.519 coming into the program offensively, they're not new to what's 1355 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.079 going to be going on. So so you're really you're 1356 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:28.679 not going to have that longer like learning curve that 1357 01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.239 you would if you just brought a bunch of athletes 1358 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.079 in off the street and they go, okay, we're gonna 1359 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.280 you know, if you're way ahead when the quarterback knows 1360 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:40.360 the offense very well, and uh, and then these other 1361 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.679 people can come along and and and there's some players offensively, 1362 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.039 they have some weapons. They're going to play to who 1363 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.519 they are and what their strengths are. And the Utah 1364 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:53.159 gets any kind of offense. Next year they're gonna they're 1365 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.119 definitely going to be competitive and can win every single 1366 01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.000 game they play in next year. So I don't think 1367 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.119 it's that far actually, all. 1368 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.239 Right, all right, I love it, Scott. Thanks for the time, buddy. 1369 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.840 Have a great week and weekend. We'll get y'all soon, Okay, 1370 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:09.440 all right, love it, all right, Scott Mitchell. Before we 1371 01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:11.000 catch break, I want to tell you about my friends 1372 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.679 at Prize Picks, best place to get real money sports action. 1373 01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.960 With over ten million members and billions of dollars in 1374 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:19.599 awarded winnings, Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible 1375 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:21.199 to all. You just pick more or less, not at 1376 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:22.880 least two players for a shot to win up to 1377 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.960 one thousand times your cash. 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All right, we're gonna bring 1403 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:23.640 in John Paul JP Chunga joins us coming up in 1404 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:24.399 just a little bit. 1405 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:25.720 We'll do a bunch of everything with JP. 1406 01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:27.640 We'll get back to some college and pro football in 1407 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:31.560 the five o'clock hour. But you feel that sunshine outside today? 1408 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:35.359 Do you feel that forty degree sunshine outside today? Well, 1409 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.640 the consistent, sunshine is on its way. And if you 1410 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.039 are like me, and if you get out as much 1411 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.239 as you can to play golf. Do you have a dog, 1412 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:44.800 you like to go hiking? Do you like to get 1413 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.000 out and go mountain biking. Well, you have a tremendous 1414 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.680 amount of sun exposure that quite frankly, is dangerous even 1415 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:52.319 though we all love it, it's dangerous if you don't 1416 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:54.399 stay on top of it. Now we have a new 1417 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.560 client on the show. They're friends of mine. It's Ogden Clinic, 1418 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.920 Hadley Dermatology. We have traded j for the smarter, better looking, 1419 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:06.640 older dermatologist. It's doctor Michael Hadley Liven Studio. Doctor Hadley. 1420 01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:07.960 How are you, sir? I'm great. 1421 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:10.840 Great to be here is fence and get to meet 1422 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.279 you in person and see your setup now awesome. 1423 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:15.720 I appreciate you coming in so like like I said, 1424 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.279 and look you you play golf like I do. And 1425 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.319 you are like the foremost expert with this stuff in 1426 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:25.880 the state. So early detection can literally save lives. Tell 1427 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:27.880 our listeners who are like us, they want to get 1428 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:29.479 out and play golf, they want to hike, they want 1429 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.439 to hang out of the lake. Why it's dangerous to 1430 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:35.039 wait and how they how they can come get checked 1431 01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:35.560 at your spot. 1432 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:40.119 I appreciate the question. I mean as Utan's we live 1433 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.520 in a great place to recreate. We we love to 1434 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:48.760 be outdoors. We love to ski, like you say, hike, golf, 1435 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.399 you name it. Kids are running around playing soccer. All 1436 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.439 the things, uh that we we love about our state 1437 01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:01.960 unfortunately come at a cost. And particular something that's a 1438 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:06.279 bit sobering. We are actually number one for incidents of 1439 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:08.119 melanoma in the nation. 1440 01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:09.000 I know that. 1441 01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:14.359 That's why, more than double the national average. So you think, oh, California, Florida, Arizona, Texas. 1442 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:18.880 Now it's Utah, and people scratch their heads and say, well, 1443 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.439 why is that? And ultimately it boils down to a 1444 01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:28.479 variety of factors. Certainly genetics were fair skin. We have 1445 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:30.520 a lot of sunny days. We're in a high desert. 1446 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.800 But the principal thing is altitude. Every ten thousand feet 1447 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.880 you go up, you increase the intensity of sun about 1448 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:41.279 forty percent. So here in Salt Lake City forty five 1449 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.640 hundred feet, you know, up at alta or over eight 1450 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:48.600 thousand feet, Park City six thousand. So that comes at 1451 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:52.720 a cost, and that cost is of unfortunately melanoma, other 1452 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:56.720 cancers as well, basal cells squamso cancers. So yeah, I'm 1453 01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:01.319 a dermatologist, but my specialty is a technique of removal 1454 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:06.319 when these cancers are diagnosed. I'm a mose surgeon, which 1455 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.680 is a technique where we use microscopes to get rid 1456 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:12.199 of them and that. But my message here is, don't 1457 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:16.359 wait for me, get out, get checked out, do more 1458 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.920 prevention before you see me. And there's a number of 1459 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.920 things that we can talk about to limit you seeing me. 1460 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:25.479 I always choke with my patience. You don't want to 1461 01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:27.640 see me, You want to see other guys first. Sure, yeah, 1462 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:30.640 before you see me. You're kind of the last stop. 1463 01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.800 So let's let's get into some prevention stuff and then 1464 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.720 we'll end with the deal you have for our listeners. 1465 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.000 Because every time I see Jason, he's like, dude, you're 1466 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:39.720 golfing all the time. You got to come see me, 1467 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.560 You gotta come see Mike and I need to get in. 1468 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.199 But before we get to the deal, how can people 1469 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.960 at least operate as safely as possible prior to seeing 1470 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:49.079 you the last stop? 1471 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.159 I mean, it's the same stuff you probably always have 1472 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.439 been told sunscreen, and when people ask me what the 1473 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:57.680 best sunscreen is, it boils down to the sunscreen that 1474 01:11:57.760 --> 01:11:58.119 you use. 1475 01:11:58.239 --> 01:11:58.399 Yeah. 1476 01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:02.279 I have a lot of ideas of different types of blockers, 1477 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.439 physical blockers in titanium, et cetera. But I'd really prefer 1478 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:10.079 you just put something on, particularly where the sun is 1479 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:15.720 most intense. Hats, protection with clothing, etc. All those things 1480 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.760 are good, but I'd like to take it to another level. 1481 01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:22.039 I think there are other things out there that science 1482 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:26.439 has now been showing us is very helpful with prevention. 1483 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:30.119 These would be what I'd put into a category of 1484 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:31.800 topical potent. 1485 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:33.880 Antioxidants. 1486 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.319 These are products you actually put on your skin that 1487 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:40.279 have been shown with good scientific data. There's over fifty 1488 01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.760 five peer reviewed scientific studies valid validating that these things work. 1489 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:47.680 So you can put it on your face, especially where 1490 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.199 you're going to a lot of sign As a golfer, 1491 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.560 I put it on daily. I joke with my patients, 1492 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:56.479 I don't know who my skin cancer surgeon's going to be, right, 1493 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.680 It's not gonna be my brother, right right, No, I'm joking, 1494 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:02.119 he'd be great. But these are things that we can 1495 01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.199 do in a more preventive manner. In addition, to the 1496 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.479 things that we've heard about to just take it to 1497 01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:13.640 another level. Given our climate, we're in a really difficult place. 1498 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.079 As far as skin cancer goes. 1499 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.560 Excellent knowledge. Now for our listeners that are listening to this, 1500 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:20.159 and they're going, oh, I got to get in. You know, 1501 01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:23.119 if I suspense's golfing, I'm golfing. You know, we're hiking, 1502 01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.680 and I got to get in because again, early detection. 1503 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.039 And look, I can attest to this because I had 1504 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.720 a brain tumor that we caught early and luckily I 1505 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.079 was able to have surgery and I've lived when if 1506 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:34.800 I waited a few more months, I would have died. 1507 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:38.239 So let's help our listeners call to action, come see 1508 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.159 you so they can get in front of this before 1509 01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:41.199 it gets too bad. 1510 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:42.840 So what's the deal you have for our listeners. The 1511 01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.880 deal is to kind of get people on the antioxidant. 1512 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.199 We're going to give a twenty percent discount on our 1513 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:51.920 most potent topical antioxidant. 1514 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:53.439 It's a skin suticals product. 1515 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:57.039 If they called the number, say that they heard it 1516 01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.720 on the show, we'll give them that and we'll also 1517 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.239 do a free skin analysis, which will essentially show them 1518 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:07.520 their damage and kind of get them a little bit 1519 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:11.119 more motivated. I would say to use these sorts of products. 1520 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.439 Okay, So there you go twenty percent off the topical 1521 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:15.840 cream and then a free skin analysis, which is a 1522 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.399 big deal. I mean, you can go up there and 1523 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:18.960 just get checked out for free, but you have to 1524 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:20.800 call the number. Call it right now here. It is 1525 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:24.039 eight oh one six five seven five six six four 1526 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.079 eight oh one sixty five seven five six six four. 1527 01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.159 You know, there are very few bands that are directly 1528 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:33.840 tied to one individual guest, but I think we have 1529 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:37.520 a brand in War on Drugs guest. The bit continues 1530 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:40.680 as one of the original founders of The Drive, the 1531 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.199 original producer of the drives on the mast head, the 1532 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.640 Dylan Moska bits of the Drive now with our friends 1533 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:46.760 at the Jazz and the Royals. 1534 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:50.199 He's very busy, John Paul J P. Chunker. How are you, buddy? 1535 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.039 So explain this to me. Oh, here we go. Okay, 1536 01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:55.159 right off the top. I want to know, Yeah, when. 1537 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.199 You tell guests at time, okay, is it that time 1538 01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:59.479 or is it ten minutes later? 1539 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.039 Should I build in a buffer next time I appear 1540 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:02.479 on the show. 1541 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:05.079 Well, you're in the business, you know, the business sometimes 1542 01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:06.640 you have to pay the bills, and when a client 1543 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:08.840 shows up for an on air hit, sometimes you have 1544 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.119 to bump my guy for about ten fifteen minutes. 1545 01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:14.720 So tomorrow's podcast. You can always get these podcasts Utah 1546 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:15.399 jazz dot com. 1547 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:15.760 Uh huh. 1548 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.600 I talked to Tom Crean. Nice. 1549 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.520 If I told Tom, hey, I'll talk to you at 1550 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.840 three o'clock and then not show up until three fifteen, 1551 01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:26.159 do you think you'd. 1552 01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:26.760 Be okay with it? 1553 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:27.000 No? 1554 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:29.319 I think Tom would be rather upset. I think so too. 1555 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.079 But if you explain to Tom that you did have 1556 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.880 to take ten minutes to interview a client that's helping 1557 01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.079 pay your bills, I think it might be understanding. And 1558 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.159 as somebody who's been in this business on that side 1559 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.399 of the glass, understanding how your salary is paid, I 1560 01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:42.359 would imagine you have some empathy for me today. 1561 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.039 How many final fours have you been to? Fair enough? 1562 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:48.039 The answer is zero? How are you pal? You're a busy, 1563 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:49.079 busy guy. These days. 1564 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:52.439 We got Stars play by play, we got Royals play 1565 01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:54.600 by play coming up, of course, all the pods. 1566 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:56.920 You're heading on a jazz road trip. How are things? 1567 01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.279 It's tremendous. It's good to be busy. I know you 1568 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.560 are toiling in the content minds from two to five. No, 1569 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:06.800 it's six, live man, two to six. 1570 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.359 Not to mention four or five hours of prep prior 1571 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.319 to it's true, and all the games that you watch grinding, 1572 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:15.359 because you're definitely not going to the games. 1573 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:16.039 I've been to that. 1574 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:17.720 I've been to five, and I told you I'm going 1575 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:19.800 to go to ten. So I'm halfway through and we're 1576 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.640 about halfway down with the year. I'm on track to 1577 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:22.600 live up to my promise. 1578 01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:23.039 Young man. 1579 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.279 We'll see you about that. But it's good to be busy. 1580 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:26.960 I enjoy I'm enjoying it. 1581 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:31.600 I'm enjoying the foray with the Stars, who now have 1582 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:37.399 signed Isaiah Thomas for a second stint. I know there 1583 01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:39.880 are few things in life that you love as much 1584 01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:43.840 as Isaiah Thomas loves basketball. Like the only comparison I 1585 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:50.239 think for you is Brooks Brothers, Vineyard Vines, Sperry's. 1586 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:53.720 It's more of a more of a j Crue guy. 1587 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.000 Back in the day, I did go through an Abercromi 1588 01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:58.960 and Fitch phase that's now over. I do have a 1589 01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:02.800 couple of Sperries, But yeah, basketball for Isaiah Thomas is 1590 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:05.960 fine Northeast where for me, I understand what you're saying. 1591 01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.680 He loves this game, yes, and I've been able to 1592 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:14.840 be around him for both stints, and that comes out 1593 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.680 of him every time you talk to him, and I 1594 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:20.159 think it's super refreshing in this time when you can 1595 01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.479 be cynical about sports, he could say, you know, I'm 1596 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:25.840 going to put on a poll on my Twitter what 1597 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.920 should the Utah Hockey Club's name be? When you could 1598 01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:31.279 be cynical about those things, you can know that there 1599 01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.119 are real, pure people like Isaiah Thomas who actually love basketball, 1600 01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:38.319 love playing playing It doesn't matter where they would play it. 1601 01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:41.319 He will do it in the G League just to 1602 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:44.800 get his shot back in the NBA. And it's such 1603 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:46.720 a great show to put on for the fans who 1604 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:49.399 go to the Mavericks Center, who watch the G League. 1605 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:53.039 And I'm privileged to be alongside that NBA journey for 1606 01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:53.800 Isaiah Thomas. 1607 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:55.319 Breaking news with the hockey club. 1608 01:17:55.520 --> 01:18:00.840 Wassatch is out Outlaws in Outlaws Mammoth Hockey Club. As 1609 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.159 you give your email address to qual Tricks, what what 1610 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:03.920 box will. 1611 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:04.279 You be checking? 1612 01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.680 Well, I first I have to put a Twitter poll 1613 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:11.520 on on X or whatever just to see see I 1614 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:14.680 have to update because they knocked out Outlaws. 1615 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:16.439 I like Outlaws. You like Outlaws. 1616 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:21.479 I like Outlaws. It's fun. It's a little West. You 1617 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.600 could own the West motif okay, and could yield a 1618 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.680 pretty cool mascot. All right, so JP goes Outlaws. You 1619 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.800 know my take, stick with the Utahey club man. I 1620 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.159 actually like it. I think it's classy. Don't overthink it. 1621 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:36.920 I don't need some corny mascot, and the mascot doesn't 1622 01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:38.560 have to be tied to the name. The Jazz mascot 1623 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.199 is a bear. You can do Utahey Club. You can 1624 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.880 come up the mascot. I like the colorways. I think 1625 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:44.800 the logo's nice. 1626 01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.279 I like what it is. That's just me to bear 1627 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:49.359 in jeens sometimes. 1628 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.800 Bear yes sometime. Does he still do the sled down 1629 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:55.119 the stairs thing? Or is that now no legal stepped 1630 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:55.439 in with that? 1631 01:18:55.760 --> 01:19:00.279 Is it bygone era of NBA mascot but one that 1632 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:02.079 I missed? Yeah, oh if I'm with you, and you 1633 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:03.800 can find on YouTube, I'm sure. 1634 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.840 Speaking of the stars, we had a little Cody Williams 1635 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:09.560 action right, looked pretty good. 1636 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:11.600 It was awesome. Yeah, yeah, So what was it like 1637 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:12.359 to call those games. 1638 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.439 So the thing that I think people should realize when 1639 01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.399 it comes to the G League, and I try to 1640 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.239 make sure I come across this in the broadcast. As 1641 01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:24.239 much as the result matters, it doesn't. It doesn't matter 1642 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:29.319 the result. What matters is what the guys are going 1643 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.239 and doing and if they're listening to coaching and getting 1644 01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.119 the more time that they need to develop. So Cody 1645 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:39.319 Williams is an example. When he was with the Stars. 1646 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.000 This is a guy who at most in college shot 1647 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:47.079 thirteen attempts from the field. He was getting that in 1648 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:51.439 the first half. So him getting the confidence to get 1649 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.880 out there to show his skills, not play tentative, not 1650 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.319 play safe, because there were times during the season with 1651 01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:02.279 the Jazz where he was playing that was a star 1652 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.079 as you could just cut it loose and you do 1653 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:08.359 it in front of tens of people, and that's a 1654 01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:11.640 good thing because you need to have the pressure the world, 1655 01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:16.199 the weight of being the tenth overall, pick off your shoulders. 1656 01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.399 You need to just play free, you need just go. 1657 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.880 And Cody Williams was able to do that with the Stars, 1658 01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.680 and I'm sure he's going to get another stint as well. 1659 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.520 But the confidence piece has definitely shown out when he 1660 01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:31.680 plays with the Stars. 1661 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:36.039 How would you excuse me articulate to the listenership what 1662 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.880 that level of competition really is, because you know, Broni 1663 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.479 goes down, he drops thirty thirty three, And what you 1664 01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:44.560 want is your draft picks to go to the G 1665 01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.399 League and be simply the best players. And I didn't 1666 01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:49.560 see a ton of the Cody stuff, but I saw 1667 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.000 the numbers and it looked like he did what they 1668 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:53.079 were hoping he was going to do. 1669 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:55.159 But it's not NBA competition. 1670 01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:57.800 It is a lot of people trying to play for 1671 01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.800 their jobs, trying to play for their lives, trying to 1672 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:01.640 get back in the league, or trying to cut a paycheck. 1673 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:03.960 So, as you've been watching it as the voice of 1674 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.479 the team, now what's the competition like, Well, I think 1675 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:08.880 in the G you see a lot of desperations, something 1676 01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.479 you're familiar with. Oh yeah, yeah, things don't happen to 1677 01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:12.119 you that happened for. 1678 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:17.079 You exactly, And so that desperation as a driver you're 1679 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:21.560 going to sometimes against Scalabisier, who if you remember that name, 1680 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.880 twenty sixteen first round draft pick. He's trying to find 1681 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:26.800 a way in the league, Isaiah Thomas is trying to 1682 01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.239 find a way in the league. They don't care where 1683 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.159 you're drafted. They don't care that Isaiah Collier is twenty 1684 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:36.079 eighth overall coming in out of USC big guy who cares. 1685 01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:40.800 They want to take you down. And in a game 1686 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:42.880 in the G League, Isaiah Callier went out there and 1687 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.079 did exactly what you were saying, which was be the 1688 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:47.520 best player on the floor, score thirty six, did it 1689 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:51.239 confidently shot the three, which is something that he needs 1690 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:55.319 to show at the NBA level. If he gets that shot, 1691 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:57.319 I think you know you watch him with some of 1692 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.000 these passes with the Jazz as of late, He's going 1693 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:02.960 to be a pretty good point guard because he has 1694 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.000 that in his mentality and he's wiring. 1695 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.079 This competition. 1696 01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:12.119 This level is one that tests how much you love 1697 01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:14.720 the game, how much you want to be Isaiah Thomas, 1698 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:21.000 how much you want and accept assignments of playing at 1699 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:26.159 a lower level because it's it's summer league, but more structure, 1700 01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:30.520 because these players have played a little more together. But 1701 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.399 also realize so many of these guys don't care where 1702 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:36.800 you came from, don't care what your draft position was. 1703 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:40.000 They're fighting for an NBA job, and executives are watching 1704 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:45.000 from all over the year the world, Europe, Australia and 1705 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.039 executives in the NBA. Everybody's playing for a job out there. 1706 01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:51.680 Scott A text will real quick, JP is using point 1707 01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:56.119 guard to label players send I thought it was positionless basketball. 1708 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:57.920 Wow, you're titled tailing right now. 1709 01:22:57.960 --> 01:22:59.640 I just thought it was positionless. I didn't think were 1710 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:02.039 supposed to use those terms with this team. That is 1711 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:04.479 not your grandfather's Utah jass, That's what I've heard. 1712 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:10.279 But I mean Isaiah Callier is a point guard. 1713 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.520 He is, and he has lead guard tendancies, and I 1714 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:14.079 don't think anybody else on the roster has. 1715 01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:15.600 I like him a lot more than I thought I 1716 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:18.560 was going to. I'm not gonna lie the so he 1717 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.840 was talking. I I remember talking to him because I 1718 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:21.640 talked to him frequently. 1719 01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:23.880 You know, what do you what is there? Is there 1720 01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:25.199 a nickname that we have for Isaiah? 1721 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:25.439 Yet? 1722 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.760 Really you want a nickname? So you haven't been watching 1723 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:31.920 the G League broadcast? I thought that's what we do? 1724 01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:38.039 Call you by his name? Come on, man, is that 1725 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.880 really it? I think it's Zay everybody calls him. 1726 01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:42.359 Did you just make that up? 1727 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:42.680 It? 1728 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.279 Come on I'm doing radio here. 1729 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.920 That's pretty good. No, but here's the thing that's that's good. 1730 01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.960 But it also tracks. I could totally see somebody, you know, 1731 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:57.680 no for the caller by by by name. I could 1732 01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:59.359 see somebody coming up with that and be like, hey, 1733 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:01.239 get Bowler on the line. This is what we're going 1734 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:01.680 with tonight. 1735 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:04.840 Call your daddy. Shout out to Trev. Do you mind 1736 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:06.359 if I do a read to pay some bills before 1737 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:07.359 you break? Is that okay with you? 1738 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:07.840 Please? 1739 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:11.319 Thank you because apparently my gosh, all right, time for 1740 01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:14.439 the PGA Tour Leaderboard at and t Pebble pro Am 1741 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.159 going on right now, brought to you by you went 1742 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.039 to golf. The new G four to forty driver delivers 1743 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.680 faster ball speeds along with ping's game changing forgiveness. Wow, 1744 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:25.439 that's good in golf and in life. There's a lesson there. 1745 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.439 The G four four zero irons are designed for more 1746 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:30.960 distance and control it. You went to golf five sixties, 1747 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:38.840 twenty one hundred, South JP Wonderkins Rising Star, Bright Shining Star, 1748 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:43.199 Busy Boys Live in Studio, Former producer this program, former 1749 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.720 producer here at ESPN seven hundred. How often do you 1750 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.079 think back and say man, I wish I was still 1751 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:51.760 a Broadway I wish I was still doing afternoon drive producing. 1752 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:53.640 That has to be a fat that pops in your 1753 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:57.720 head a lot. I think about it. Yeah, often I 1754 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:00.319 can't say that's the case, but. 1755 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:01.880 You do think about it. I think about it. You 1756 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:02.720 miss us, don't you. 1757 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.840 I do miss the place. The people were, great relationships 1758 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:07.720 you make along the way. It is true, you know, 1759 01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:09.880 I miss Jan Brownsteam. 1760 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.319 Jan still doinger thing. You know real golf radio? Is 1761 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:13.920 that what they call it? 1762 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:16.079 You know, you tell Alfredio sorry, shout out to bet 1763 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.239 on the other station. You tell golf radio every Saturday. 1764 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:19.279 Jan and my guy Pugs. 1765 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:24.239 But seeing Jan here at the office, seeing the people 1766 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.680 who work around here, big game, James, our guy pd 1767 01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:31.960 I know exactly. I remember when he interned here, when 1768 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.520 he was a part timer. Now he's running the place. 1769 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:35.960 Dreams come true, John Paul. 1770 01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:36.640 It's cool. 1771 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:41.600 It's seeing careers grow, people grow, and you know this place. 1772 01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:44.960 You can have your dog in the studio now, yeah change, Yeah, 1773 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:46.840 single father. So dude comes to work with me? 1774 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:47.079 Now? 1775 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:49.640 Is it kind of wild? 1776 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.960 The turnover here though, Like you walk in and a 1777 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:54.840 lot of people that were here once upon a time, 1778 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:55.560 very much or not. 1779 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:59.239 Half of the office is now gone. It's yeah, it's 1780 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:04.319 a little interesting, but that's radio. I knew it when 1781 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:08.039 you get into it that sometimes things change and the 1782 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:10.479 only thing that's constant is that it's very much like 1783 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:11.119 the get league. 1784 01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.359 Look at you, well done before we get back there. 1785 01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:20.319 Uh crooksy, Okay, we got to do a little bit 1786 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:22.239 of it, man, we have to do a little We're 1787 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.520 here for the lads, you know that, sure. And I 1788 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:27.640 don't want to upset you. Well, I don't do angry, 1789 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:31.600 confront confrontational radio. You know that that's not the not 1790 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:33.159 part of the ethos of the show. So I don't 1791 01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:37.600 want you get angry. But single record points, single record 1792 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:40.760 goal scored, club records last year in a single season set, 1793 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.000 and they they break it down piece by piece. What 1794 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:44.600 has this been like for you to witness? 1795 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:48.760 Well, my heart broke when they got rid of the Moose. 1796 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:51.439 Oh no, I know that's when it officially broke. 1797 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:54.199 Has it ever been the same since the Moose? I mean, 1798 01:26:54.279 --> 01:27:02.239 let's be honest in what hasn't and the the heights 1799 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:09.000 that they reached last summer, chi Cho being the MVP 1800 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:14.960 front runner better than Messi. I know, I'll say it 1801 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:18.439 now that viral sound right there. I'm a little peeve 1802 01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:22.319 that he's gone, So I'll say better than MESSI the 1803 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:26.279 way they were playing, and then to see that player, 1804 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:31.600 that team, this organization dismantle it. 1805 01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:33.640 I just. 1806 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:40.239 It's unreal how much turnover there is in this team. 1807 01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:45.640 And mind you, there was a flicker. Yeah, I was 1808 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.359 moved a little bit when Diego Luna got smacked in 1809 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:52.159 the face and you see him and him and Clayton 1810 01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:56.520 Keller side by side. Sure, I got a little moved 1811 01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:01.560 by that poach shouting him out with Dunny my guy. Okay, 1812 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:07.439 I start thinking, hey, I get back in. But then 1813 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:10.000 I realized how many people are gone, How the moose 1814 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:14.640 isn't there. How it's just not the same anymore. Yeah, 1815 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.720 and for a team last summer, where I go to 1816 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.680 the games, I sit in the fans, I'm amongst the people. 1817 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:27.399 I'm wearing a scarf like everybody else. The noise that 1818 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:31.680 would happen when Chicho was on the ball, it was deafening. 1819 01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:36.800 The twenty thousand at the riot always sold out. I 1820 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:37.760 still call it the Rye. 1821 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:38.479 I like it. 1822 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:40.319 It will always be there. It will always be the 1823 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:41.720 ride and will always be sold out. 1824 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:45.640 The sound that would come once he was on the 1825 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:50.359 ball was unlike anybody else, only comparable to the Maestro 1826 01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:51.479 Javier Morales. 1827 01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:55.039 And he's gone. So I don't know. 1828 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:56.800 They have to win me over this year, and they're 1829 01:28:56.840 --> 01:29:00.520 gonna have to do it from a studio calling game remotely. 1830 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.199 Wait a second, are you out on RSL this year? 1831 01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:07.359 They have to convince me, Wow, this is big news. 1832 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:11.520 I mean big Gav is gone. Gav's gone. Yeah, he 1833 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:14.239 was supposed to be the future, and that's what I 1834 01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.520 call him. Anderson Julio and Oh shipped out. 1835 01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:20.520 I don't know anything about any of these strikers, but 1836 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.359 at least the midfield is still dialed in. We got 1837 01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:25.760 our guy a Mecca shout out, Nate Bench. Apparently he's 1838 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.039 gonna wear the captain's arm band. 1839 01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:27.600 Pobs. 1840 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:31.039 My guy joins the show yesterday to drop that little tidbit. 1841 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.199 So at least we have Oh, and by the way, 1842 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:41.119 just so you know, goals by Committee, Diogo Lachlann Okay, Dom, 1843 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:43.720 I call him Dom, you can call him Mark Zuke. 1844 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.359 I don't care, but I'm choosing because this is how 1845 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:49.359 I lived my life to be glass at full goals 1846 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:52.439 by committee, not bemoaning players of the past. 1847 01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:56.279 I'm glad that the talking points have gotten out. Trey 1848 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.960 has written him up, handing him out to his lackey's 1849 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:04.119 in the media, and you're repeating them on air. 1850 01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:09.840 Do you disagree with the assertions Chico was amazing last year. 1851 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:14.319 You need somebody to pour in the goals come playoff time, 1852 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:17.039 because I even last time when I came on here, 1853 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.079 I was saying, this is a playoff or bus team. 1854 01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:21.840 This is the point that I'm going to, you know, 1855 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:25.439 show me in the playoffs postseason. Come on, I don't care, Darryl. 1856 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:27.079 It's the regular season. 1857 01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:27.680 Mori. 1858 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:32.479 Time needs to get to the final and they didn't. 1859 01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:37.359 As a fan and a student of the beautiful game internationally, 1860 01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:43.159 Ratha Cabral thirty five year old Brazilian keeper, rich and experience, 1861 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.479 leadership from the back, good with his feet, potential option 1862 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:50.279 to also where the captain's armband. You gotta be excited 1863 01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:50.960 about what's in goal. 1864 01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:56.239 I'm glad that the email blast went out and you 1865 01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:57.920 checked the inbox. 1866 01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.800 I read all my emails. Hockey Club, Jazz Stars, RSL, 1867 01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:05.960 you name it. Okay, you mentioned glad let's move to 1868 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:11.840 the back line. RSL Legends club legend, homegrown Jay Glad 1869 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:16.119 next to what I've heard is a calmer, more poised, 1870 01:31:16.279 --> 01:31:17.760 grown up version of Brian Vera. 1871 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:19.479 Right. 1872 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:23.960 We got wonder Kins, Alex Katranis on the left, a 1873 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:28.239 healthy competition on the right, feeding into a holding midfield 1874 01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:33.239 group that features Nelson Placio, Brian o'hada, aforementioned a Mecca 1875 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:37.439 Anelli returning from injury, Vegas favorite for MLS Comeback Player 1876 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:39.000 of the Year, Pablo Ruiz. 1877 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:44.399 So when Ben Simmons posts he's shooting threes in the 1878 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:49.359 summer with his trainer, do you come in and you say, 1879 01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:52.319 I can't wait, can't wait. This is gonna be big year, 1880 01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:56.199 big year for the Australian Ben Simmons. 1881 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.800 He's gonna expand his range, He's gonna shoot jumps out. 1882 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.319 Don't do a ton of Benson on the program. But 1883 01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:04.600 your point is well taken. Okay, Yeah, So bottom line 1884 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.319 is you're out on RSL and now they have to 1885 01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:08.840 win you back. 1886 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:14.960 They have to win me back. I'm open available, but 1887 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:16.399 right now they do have to win me back. 1888 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:23.079 Will you get emotional opening night MLS action? After of course, 1889 01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:27.359 CONCACAF Champions Cup. When RSL is at PayPal Park and 1890 01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.279 the starting nine for San Jose is one Chico ro Ango, 1891 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:31.119 will you get emotional? 1892 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:35.760 Yes, yes, I will understand Arena on the other side 1893 01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:43.760 as well, Big game Bruce, of course, because those guys 1894 01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.319 gave me a lot of good times in my life 1895 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:48.920 with the US men's national team and with real Salt Lake. 1896 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:53.800 Now neither connected to ourselves based. 1897 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:56.479 Off of what Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik were able 1898 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.439 to get for Gobert, which I call the hall. What's 1899 01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:02.199 fair to say about what Kurt Schmidt did not get 1900 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.920 for Chicho Rongo. I mean, if we're trading stars in Utah, 1901 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.600 we want a haul. We don't want to be had. 1902 01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.399 What's fair to say about the RSL front office. 1903 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:16.159 I think that they need to take a book out 1904 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:20.800 of Age and Xanik and look for desperation. Desperate teams 1905 01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:26.159 Phoenix very desperate. They're like, we gotta get draft picks 1906 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.600 to get Jimmy Butler and find somebody to take Bradley Beale, 1907 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.920 who nobody wants because he has no trade clause and 1908 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:36.079 the numbers outstanding. So how about we trade twenty thirty 1909 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:40.159 one's first round pick a year where Devin Booker will 1910 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.159 be in his thirties. If he stays in Phoenix, Duran 1911 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:44.560 is done and Duran is gone. 1912 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:45.560 Gil's already done. 1913 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.840 Desperation is the thing you need to traffic in if 1914 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.760 you're RSL and I didn't see a desperate team with 1915 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.520 San Jose. I didn't see a desperate team that was 1916 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:55.239 clamoring for Chicho services. 1917 01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:57.399 Is it time to say that this club belongs to 1918 01:33:57.479 --> 01:33:59.840 Diego Luna, who I call moon Man by the way, 1919 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:02.079 because he's grown up. Yeah, once upon a time, moon Boy, 1920 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.600 I call him moon Man is a Diego's club now. 1921 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:11.479 So again, when that picture showed up him in Kels, 1922 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:14.880 I call Himkels Nice. I like that, uhc go clubbers. 1923 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:19.079 So when that side by side happened, there was a flutter. 1924 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:23.800 My heart was tickled, but it wasn't an off okay 1925 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:24.920 to get me back on the club. 1926 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:28.159 This is rough man, You're a lifelong I mean I 1927 01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:30.880 have a picture of you on my phone of a 1928 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:34.920 young JP Chonga next to Jason Christ and then a 1929 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:39.239 mature grown J. P Chunger outside of the studio with 1930 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:41.479 Jason Christ after he was brought back to the club. 1931 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.239 You are what I call a lifer, and at this 1932 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.479 point you're telling me that you're out until they bring 1933 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.159 you back in case Stanza stuff they do. 1934 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:52.760 They need to convince me. Okay, it's like a big cat. 1935 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:56.560 He was able to switch his allegiances from Boston to Chicago. 1936 01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.960 I'm allowed to switch allegiances too. It's o okay, it's fine. 1937 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:04.399 Wait a second, who would be your backup MLS team? 1938 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.560 Don't say it. It's not that team. 1939 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.960 Okay, good, it's not that, not that team breaking hearts today? Yeah, 1940 01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:19.000 uh MESSI you'd go Miami. I'd go Miami. I'm a 1941 01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:19.640 front runner. 1942 01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:21.520 Yeah, Santy. 1943 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.680 I was at training when little Santi would be practicing 1944 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:33.640 penalty kicks with a huge inflatable ball playing aside as 1945 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:37.800 his dad was training with Thomis and Olave and the 1946 01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:40.800 entire crew. So like, I I go back with this team, 1947 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.119 and and now I need to be convinced a little bit. 1948 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:46.880 But that that's okay. Things Wayne, people can come back. 1949 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:48.960 It's it is the cycles of life. 1950 01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:51.600 Nate Bench would say that he thought you were a believer. 1951 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:54.560 That's what Bench would say. I stand up on my feet, 1952 01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:59.359 I do it. I was there. You shout it out 1953 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:00.520 out of down. 1954 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:07.039 Okay, believe me, I was freezing at the Eastern Conference final, 1955 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:11.359 such a dumb league in Sandy, Utah against. 1956 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:13.800 New York against the New York Red Bulls. Was it 1957 01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:17.439 off the post? Yeah, that's right? Good knowledge. 1958 01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:19.199 All right, we'll get back to the jazz and moment 1959 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.000 because we have not talked about the deal. But let's 1960 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:26.520 do a little Royals as the voice of So they 1961 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:30.760 finished last season like on fire. Can they start the 1962 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.520 way they finished and maybe be a playoff club this year? 1963 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:36.199 Absolutely, the way that they were trending was a playoff 1964 01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:40.840 team in the way that Jimmy Kunerats was organizing the side. 1965 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.520 They have a bona fide star in Ali sent Nor, 1966 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:47.960 the last first overall pick in the NWSL draft. They 1967 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.640 did away with the draft, very forward thinking so that 1968 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:53.319 they could have labor piece and keep this league going 1969 01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:58.159 in the NWSL. But if you're going to watch anything 1970 01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:01.800 on the Utah Royals, it is that number nine Ali 1971 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:06.119 sent Nor, because she's one of the best talents in 1972 01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.920 all of American soccer. She got capped by the US 1973 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:15.600 women's national team in England at Wembley before seventy thousand 1974 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:20.359 people to take on England. Recognized by the best coach 1975 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.199 in the entire world, Emma Hayes, she coaches the US 1976 01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:27.600 women's national team. She has acknowledged how good Ali sent 1977 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.960 Nor can be and she's just twenty years old. So 1978 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:33.800 you're gonna get in on the very ground floor of 1979 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:36.279 the war on drugs. You're going to see them when 1980 01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:40.520 they're playing clubs, much like you did. Thank you when 1981 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:42.920 you saw them at Urban Lounge and you finally a 1982 01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:43.640 little admission. 1983 01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:44.800 I have a T shirt. You don't. 1984 01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:48.600 The way you speak about that day is the way 1985 01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:50.920 that people will speak about Ali sent Noor because she 1986 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:53.800 has so much talent, a rocket of a shot. She 1987 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:59.239 was the US Young Female Player of the Year, and 1988 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:02.720 fully just because of how talented she is. She can 1989 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:06.920 shoot from distance, she can finish inside the box. And 1990 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:09.840 because of the way that they played last year five 1991 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:14.760 wins down this stretch, they can do even more with 1992 01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:16.800 Ali Senton or unleash this season. 1993 01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:19.920 RSL dot com for both RSL and Royals tickets. 1994 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:21.560 You can hear our guy, John Paul and the call, 1995 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:23.880 all right, with the time we have left, we'll do 1996 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:26.479 at a little jazz. We'll get back to the jazz 1997 01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:31.119 Walker all right, one of my favorite things. It's not 1998 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:33.319 just what he's done when he's played, it's the way 1999 01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:36.760 they look when he doesn't play. It's such a massive difference. 2000 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:39.159 And obviously you go from Walker Kessler to Drew you 2001 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:41.399 Banks and a young Kyle Philipalskier what have you, it's 2002 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:43.199 gonna be a little bit of a difference. We were 2003 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.319 talking about the Gobert deal. Walker, of course, Minnesota takes 2004 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:48.520 in twenty second. He's part of that deal. He lands here. 2005 01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:51.359 We know the deal. Year one, awesome, Year two, not 2006 01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:53.800 so much. Year three. This to me is the A 2007 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:55.520 plus jazz story of the year. 2008 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.640 They're not gonna trade him, sorry, Jake Fisher, whoever else 2009 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.279 is riding about it like that, to me is a 2010 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.840 hang up unless you get blown away. But nobody is 2011 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:05.960 going to, I think, step up to give Danny and 2012 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:08.079 Justin what they would want for this young player. That's 2013 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:10.920 doness rookie deal. So what have you seen from him 2014 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:14.079 when he has been playing? And then the difference between 2015 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.600 this team when they have Walker on the floor and 2016 01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:17.319 then when he's sitting. 2017 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:19.760 He's been awesome, awesome this year. 2018 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:24.800 The physicality that he's playing with taking the challenge of 2019 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.239 a struggling year two being. 2020 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:33.960 Mister America. That that had to have driven the show 2021 01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:34.680 a couple of days. 2022 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:36.720 Was that the narrative when he played for Team USA 2023 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:38.479 and couldn't get off the bench here, No, no, no, 2024 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:42.720 I'm talking about Miss America. Oh come on, I apologize. 2025 01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.760 I thought you meant his Team USA basketball experience. 2026 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:45.560 No no, no, no, no no. 2027 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:47.960 Not really into those types of storylines, but hey, whatever 2028 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:50.920 whatever sells, whatever plays Real Housewives of salig City. 2029 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:54.000 Stuff over here. You're not watching Coke. I only watch 2030 01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:55.800 for a coach shop pep talk, and that's not part 2031 01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:57.000 of the deal anymore. So I'm out. 2032 01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:59.119 Well, it seemed like Walker Kessler got a coach Shaw 2033 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:04.039 pep talk this. He's been lit on fire. Every time 2034 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:09.079 he's around the rim. He's affecting shots. He's deterring people 2035 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:13.920 at the rim from attacking him. He's you see the 2036 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:17.880 shot chart, bend. If you want to see the impact 2037 01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:21.960 of what Walker Kesler has on the Utah Jazz, check 2038 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:25.439 a game where he's in the shot chart. Check a 2039 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:28.439 game when he's not there, and check that shot chart 2040 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:32.159 because it is drastically different the shots. 2041 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:33.920 The green dots that you. 2042 01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:37.680 See at the rim more than when Walker's not there, 2043 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:41.399 less of them xes that are red when he is there. 2044 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:44.600 Are you really watching Real Housewives of Salic City? Somebody 2045 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.079 asks to is it season three? I think so. I 2046 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:50.920 tapped out after season one. Okay, i'might have to get 2047 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:51.520 back on board. 2048 01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:54.520 Do you know the origin story of Walker meeting Abby 2049 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:56.640 Abby Stalker, the current Miss America? 2050 01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:59.760 Yeah I do, let's hear it. It's Bruce Pearl. Bruce 2051 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:06.640 was the guy that connected them because Walker's mom noticed 2052 01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:12.640 a striking young woman who is an auburn you know, 2053 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.920 dance team or cheerleader, and she says to Walker, hey, 2054 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:21.479 Walk looks pretty nice over there. Walker, you know, the 2055 01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.880 bashful one isn't going to say anything. But a couple 2056 01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:31.199 of weeks later, Walk's mom goes over asks Bruce Pearl, hey, 2057 01:41:31.239 --> 01:41:34.840 who is that gal? Bruce finds out, gives the number 2058 01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:40.600 over to Walker's mom, transfers Walker's mom to Walker, and 2059 01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:43.039 match made in Heaven. 2060 01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:47.319 How tall is she? I think she's pretty normally sized four. 2061 01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:52.720 Or five and he's seven. Yeah, well, big Dave, your guy, 2062 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:57.199 My dad six ' six, dad five two used to 2063 01:41:57.279 --> 01:41:59.359 the gap in height. So shout out to Abby miss 2064 01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:01.920 Usa sh shout out to Walker having a great year. 2065 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.840 All right, you referenced in passing the deal the Jazz 2066 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:08.000 made with Phoenix. Now, initially, I think a lot of 2067 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.640 people are like, Okay, what exactly are. 2068 01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:10.279 We doing here? 2069 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:13.760 And then you dig into it and obviously they've done 2070 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:16.239 their calculation on Cleveland and they're like, yeah, they're good 2071 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:18.239 this year. It's gonna be good for a while. The 2072 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.399 least favorable the three probably the Cavs. 2073 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:22.079 Certainly this year. 2074 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.079 Two years from now, and then four years from now, 2075 01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:25.760 we'll see, but it's still the least favorable. 2076 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:28.000 So I would guess it's in the twenties. 2077 01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:30.560 You send three picks, most likely in the twenties to 2078 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:32.960 Phoenix and the off chance that they're pivoting in twenty 2079 01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:35.199 thirty one, and if you look at their roster right now, 2080 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.960 it appears that that's a good bet. Now, they do 2081 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:41.479 have an owner that likes to spend, and maybe he 2082 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:43.680 goes all in every single year just to try to 2083 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:46.239 and look, it's not a good approach. The super team 2084 01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:48.439 thing didn't work in Brooklyn, it's not working in Phoenix. 2085 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:52.439 But what's your reaction to what Justin and Danny decided 2086 01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:55.680 to do consolidating some picks for a really good value 2087 01:42:55.720 --> 01:42:57.159 pick on the market in twenty thirty one. 2088 01:42:57.279 --> 01:42:59.800 But yeah, the point is that they're getting something that 2089 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:03.479 could be a lottery pick. It's completely unprotected, which is 2090 01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:06.680 a unicorn in the NBA these days. It's rare that 2091 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:09.920 you get that in the Lakers pick, which is lightly protected. 2092 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.439 I think, yeah, top four, But the fact that you 2093 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:16.279 can still have a lottery bound pick for the Lakers 2094 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:19.720 betting against two teams that get desperate, and I think 2095 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:23.199 it would be prudent for the Lakers not to do 2096 01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:25.359 anything at the deadline because this team isn't going to 2097 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:28.720 win a championship, by the way. But besides that, the 2098 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:34.000 Phoenix situation, sensing the desperation of a team that will 2099 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:38.079 continually spend, but is it getting you? At some point 2100 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:39.760 They're going to have to pull the plug on this 2101 01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:45.359 team at some point because right now, mediocre results, you're 2102 01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:48.319 not in the top six, you're not a threatening team 2103 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.680 to the top squads in the West. You think that's 2104 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:57.000 that team's going to win four rounds in the playoffs two. 2105 01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:00.279 I don't think they win two rounds. There's no chance 2106 01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:05.239 that they do that. So unless Mattieshbia is an owner 2107 01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:10.279 who just likes writing checks and continually getting mediocre results. 2108 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.399 They are going to have to at some point reset 2109 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:19.920 things and go for the rebuilding route of the NBA, 2110 01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.399 which is to build through the draft, to lose a bunch, 2111 01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:27.319 to have to take your medicine at some point, and 2112 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:29.520 right now they haven't really done that. The big hit 2113 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:32.479 on their draft pick is Ryan Dunn, the other guy, 2114 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:33.439 OsO Igadaro. 2115 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:35.399 You of course know this. Obviously. 2116 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.920 He played against the Salt Lake City Stars on Tuesday, 2117 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.079 getting a G League assignment, but he's not in the 2118 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:42.920 rotation right. 2119 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:44.479 They don't have ways to. 2120 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:48.239 Improve this team other than trading Bradley Beal, and nobody 2121 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:49.359 wants Bradley Beal. 2122 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:50.600 Yeah, so they're stuck. 2123 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:55.039 Betting against them is a wise move, and getting that 2124 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:58.760 twenty thirty one unprotected pick is a big coup for 2125 01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:00.560 Age and Xanti, especially in. 2126 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:02.880 The era of the second Apron that, as you know, 2127 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:06.399 is punitiff. I've heard I read Bobby Marx. Yeah, I 2128 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:07.319 read Bobby Marx. 2129 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:11.239 Who doesn't I wake up and I think about Bobby Marx, like, who, 2130 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:14.960 my gosh, what is the former assistant general manager for 2131 01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:16.920 the new jersey nets doing right now? 2132 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:19.800 Punitive? Yeah, that's punitive, all right? Before I set you 2133 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:24.119 loose Gobert Rudy back in the building tonight. How about 2134 01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:26.840 it is Walker playing? I believe he is okay, good, good, 2135 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:28.479 So that'll be fun to watch those two go ahead 2136 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.560 to head as Rudy rolls into town. It's just a 2137 01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:35.479 fun way to reminisce about what it was like to 2138 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:39.039 watch him grow. And you know, Dennis Lindsay joined the 2139 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:42.520 show right after they drafted him, and the term he used, 2140 01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:44.239 I'll never forget it. He said he was treated like 2141 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:46.199 a circus freak at the combine. People didn't know what 2142 01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:48.119 to do with him, you know, and he kind of 2143 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:49.800 felt bad for him because he was like over in 2144 01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:53.520 the corner, like this big lanky guy who really didn't 2145 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:55.840 have a great feel for anything, if we're honest, Like 2146 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.600 couldn't even get up and down the floor, wasn't coordinated 2147 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:01.600 with the basketball. He's one of the great success stories 2148 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:04.079 of this franchise. You know, he evolves into Defensive Player 2149 01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:06.800 of the Year, All Star and loved it here, wanted 2150 01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:07.399 to stay here. 2151 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:10.079 And I was always a big Rudy guy. 2152 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:12.079 You know, we've talked about it, so as he rolls 2153 01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:14.359 into the building tonight, now should Jazz fans remember the 2154 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:16.199 big fella playing for the Timberwolves now. 2155 01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:20.880 As a true franchise legend, buying into the program. One 2156 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:25.119 of the best moments of Quinn's development histories is seeing 2157 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:29.760 him become what he became. And I think back to 2158 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.439 a game, maybe his first year, where they're going against 2159 01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:38.239 the Process Sixers and Jeremy Grant is pushing him around 2160 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:42.000 in the post Jeremy Grant, And at that point, Jeremy 2161 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:45.800 Grant wasn't even NBA ready. He was just coming straight 2162 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:49.640 out of Syracuse and pushing around this seven footer. And 2163 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.079 then to think back on that guy to where now 2164 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:57.600 he's posting pictures of himself shirtless because he's becoming Adonis. 2165 01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:02.359 That's hard work, that's true love of the game stuff. 2166 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:05.640 That those are the guys you want to bet on. 2167 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:08.800 And for the Jazz to have bet on Rudy Gobert 2168 01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:12.039 with that draft pick wearing the number twenty seven because 2169 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:15.159 he felt slighted to be picked there because all these 2170 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:18.880 people have doubted him day after day after day, not 2171 01:47:19.159 --> 01:47:22.800 thinking this kid from France could make it in the NBA. 2172 01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:27.199 And to see that he's become a four time Defensive 2173 01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:30.720 Player of the Year, a franchise staple in two places. 2174 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.840 It's a real credit to him, and fans here should 2175 01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.079 appreciate what he gave for the franchise. 2176 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.199 And I still hate the way he's treated around the league. 2177 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:42.760 I think it's so lame. But anyway, all right, so 2178 01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:43.840 good it was. 2179 01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.439 That's the other thing, like the Rudy and on. Being 2180 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:52.439 a part of the cult of defending Rudy online also 2181 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.079 pretty fun because people don't agree with you and you 2182 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:58.199 get to be mad all day. I think it's like 2183 01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:01.960 a healthy outlet for sports, and knowing that the world's 2184 01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.680 against you, you can play a little black hat action. 2185 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:06.439 I like that. 2186 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:09.920 I enjoyed that he kind of fed into it the 2187 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:16.239 beef with Shack Oh, come on, it was perfect sports fodder. 2188 01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:21.760 And I think Rudy, because he attracts this hate from people, 2189 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:24.600 is a funny guy to see in the NBA and 2190 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.000 see all the success that he's gotten. 2191 01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:27.159 Royal much deserved. 2192 01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:30.800 Indeed, I agree Royal's play by play stars play by play. Now, 2193 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:32.880 let's talk about the pod before I set you loose. 2194 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.039 Where can people go get all the jazz podcasts? 2195 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:39.159 Utah Jazz dot Com. Next up Tom Crean. He was 2196 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:42.399 on the call for Colorado BYU, so I want to 2197 01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:45.479 give his thoughts on yegor little ky Kyu. 2198 01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:47.039 Okay, you can use that on the show. 2199 01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:48.760 Thank you. I was looking for something with that. 2200 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:51.880 Kevin Young, we're talking prospects. I also asked him about 2201 01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:55.279 the Jazz's rookies because he recruited Isaiah Collier. 2202 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:59.119 He was at Georgia in the Neck of the Woods. 2203 01:48:59.279 --> 01:48:59.800 Tracked him. 2204 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.119 He stays connected to the game, a real basketball sicco 2205 01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:05.840 I know you are too, indeed, and he's going to 2206 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:07.840 be on the podcast tomorrow. Make sure you check it out. 2207 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.199 Just look up the Utah Jazz Podcast Network. Anywhere you 2208 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:15.239 get your podcasts, I prefer Apple podcasts, but you can 2209 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:17.319 use Spotify, you can do use Stitcher, you can use 2210 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:18.640 anywhere you get your podcast. 2211 01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:21.960 Grinder of tape, Knower of Ball, John Paul always good 2212 01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:24.439 to see you, buddy, Good to see you all right? 2213 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:24.880 What's going on? 2214 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:28.039 Drive at five time you're commute home on this Thursday afternoon? 2215 01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:30.640 Gets rolling right now. It's been a sunny and warm 2216 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:33.880 January day. As we are preparing to turn our calendars 2217 01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:38.720 to February, next week. Congratulations, slow clap for everybody. 2218 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:39.399 Way to go. 2219 01:49:40.119 --> 01:49:42.800 If you're anti January like I am, this is a 2220 01:49:42.840 --> 01:49:46.159 good week, final week of January. But we had about 2221 01:49:46.239 --> 01:49:48.359 forty two degrees was the high today. It was sunny 2222 01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:50.640 in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. We have not had 2223 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:53.000 a forty plus degree day in quite some time, so 2224 01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:56.479 offering a little hope maybe sunshine on the way. 2225 01:49:56.520 --> 01:49:59.359 Of course, plenty of months and weeks out of cold weather. 2226 01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:01.920 But I mute home on a Thursday, starts right now, 2227 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:05.199 and we appreciate you making us a part of your 2228 01:50:05.319 --> 01:50:08.279 day today and every day. We've got the NFL Pro 2229 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:13.119 Bowl Skills Game Challenge tonight. Hayden and Eli Manning tell 2230 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:15.359 you what man for a post football career, those two 2231 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:18.600 have been able to really parlay some fun personalities into 2232 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:19.920 a lot of media opportunities. 2233 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:21.960 Looks like, Terry Cruz is your MC tonight? 2234 01:50:22.439 --> 01:50:26.760 How much porter of the NFL Skills Challenge Pro Bowl 2235 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:27.479 Style Action? 2236 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:29.560 What you watch tonight on on ESPN. 2237 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:32.479 I am currently finding out that it's happening tonight, So 2238 01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:33.199 I'm with you. 2239 01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:35.079 I actually had no idea. 2240 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:39.039 That should kind of answer it. I mean, I'll probably 2241 01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:41.840 see something of note on social media later. 2242 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:44.319 I don't know what they're going to do. I don't 2243 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:47.000 know who's even involved. I don't know if NFL players 2244 01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:49.439 give a rip, if they're even in the Pro Bowl. 2245 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:52.199 I do think, you know what's interesting, They have it 2246 01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:57.840 in contracts, which really probably should stop because I think 2247 01:50:58.000 --> 01:50:59.159 Drake May is a pro bowler. 2248 01:50:59.239 --> 01:51:01.439 This year, I'll do Russell Wilson as well. 2249 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:06.159 So the first first skilled skilled challenge, excuse me, right 2250 01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:08.640 out of the gates, is called passing the test. So 2251 01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:11.880 each quarterback has forty seconds, you earn an additional ten 2252 01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:15.880 seconds with each correct trivia answer. What I guess they're 2253 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:18.920 asking quarterbacks trivia. So on the AFC side you have 2254 01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:21.720 Joe Burrow, that's kind of fun, Drake May, Russell Wilson. 2255 01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:24.880 On the NFC side you have Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, 2256 01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:27.520 and Baker Mayfield. So if you are a football junkie, 2257 01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:30.560 and I know a lot of you are waiting for 2258 01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:32.840 the Super Bowl, super Bowl fifty nine coming up on 2259 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.760 February the ninth down in the Big Easy in New Orleans, 2260 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:40.319 Philly and case if you're just starving for football content, 2261 01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:43.479 the worldwide Leader, as you covered tonight, it is passing 2262 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.279 the test. Little skills challenge action for the Pro Bowl 2263 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:50.000 players in Pro Football. A little bit of breaking news 2264 01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:52.760 on a Thursday afternoon. First of all, in case you 2265 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:56.399 missed it, the Utah Hockey Club has punted on the 2266 01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:59.359 Utah was Wassatch because it was a horrible idea in 2267 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:03.000 the first place. Utah Outlaws has now been brought to 2268 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:06.840 the table as a potential name for the Utah Hockey Club. 2269 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:09.960 So your final three, and if you are going to 2270 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.760 Utah Hockey Club home games, you have the option of 2271 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:15.920 going through the motions of pretending to vote, so you 2272 01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:16.960 can give qual Church. 2273 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:18.479 Your email on the following three. 2274 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:22.600 The Utah Hockey Club, Okay, the Utah Mammoth, and now 2275 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:27.239 the Utah Outlaws. The Utah Wasatch has been thrown aside. Porter, 2276 01:52:27.399 --> 01:52:31.760 you were very anti Utah Wasatch yesterday on the show. 2277 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:34.840 Are you a fan of the replacement option for the 2278 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:36.640 Utah Hockey Club the Utah Outlaws. 2279 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:41.319 Yeah, it's better, it's better. There's historical ties. 2280 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:44.039 You know. 2281 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:48.199 I've been I've been running the UH. I think out 2282 01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:49.479 out of these, I'm with Outlaws. 2283 01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:51.000 I think. 2284 01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:55.640 You can go back to the original lists of twenty 2285 01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:57.840 or so, and there were some that I liked a 2286 01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:01.000 little better. But yeah, I mean I I've talked about 2287 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.239 the history of the outlaws in this state and how 2288 01:53:04.359 --> 01:53:08.680 that really does tie in. There are some connotations there 2289 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:12.239 that you may have to deal with in a branding segment, 2290 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:17.079 but I think that one gives you a good option 2291 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:22.319 for a mascot, a good option for logos, for branding, 2292 01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:27.119 for apparel, for merch. I think Mammos is fine in 2293 01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:29.439 that direction as well. And we've already talked about the 2294 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:34.399 Utah Hockey Club, which is clean and a good logo, 2295 01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:37.720 a good look to me. So although the process has 2296 01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:39.920 been clunky, it has been messy, and I think it 2297 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:43.239 could have gone a lot better if you just handled 2298 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:48.399 a little bit more of it behind closed doors. Although 2299 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:51.680 all that is true, I think they've landed on three 2300 01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:55.239 options that I'd go either way on any of them. 2301 01:53:55.279 --> 01:53:56.000 I'm cool with them all. 2302 01:53:56.119 --> 01:54:00.199 Quick Google search of the most famous outlaw in the 2303 01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:02.840 state of Utah brings up But Cassidy, there we go, 2304 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:05.720 and you might have you might have a little knowledge. 2305 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:09.600 I understand, potentially on the man born as Robert Leroy. 2306 01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:14.039 Parker Robert Lee Roy Parker, Circleville Utah scout Out, Shout Out, Hard, 2307 01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:14.920 shout out today. 2308 01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:20.520 Yeah, my third cousin, mister but Cassidy. So there's there's 2309 01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:21.800 familial ties there. 2310 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.399 Do you have any like cool Butch Cassidy paraphernalia or 2311 01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:29.319 anything not Butch Cassidy, but my third kid? No, okay, 2312 01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:31.560 like Kit Curry, is I here talking? 2313 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:31.600 No? 2314 01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:31.720 No? 2315 01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:33.680 Is it a Butch Cassidy in the Sundance. 2316 01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:37.399 Sundance Kitch Harvey Longabah by the way, good knowledge, that's 2317 01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:38.159 a deep pull. 2318 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:40.560 Harry longah Bah. So it was actually off. 2319 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:41.760 Okay, now now you're bragging. 2320 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:46.399 But yeah, I don't have his stuff. But my third 2321 01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:49.960 great grandfather, who helped establish the Outlaw Trail, which is 2322 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:52.159 like a secret network of trails that go up through 2323 01:54:52.840 --> 01:54:57.279 uh a good part of like northeast Utah and down 2324 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:02.960 into into the desert, I do have some stuff from him. 2325 01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:07.560 And Butch Cassidy used some of our family kind of 2326 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:10.000 outposts and cabins back in the day as well, So 2327 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:11.199 there's some cool history there. 2328 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:16.760 So, according to the Utah Education Network, shout out to them, 2329 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:19.319 big shout out, Big, big shout out on a Thursday 2330 01:55:19.359 --> 01:55:20.600 and a piece written by John D. 2331 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:23.159 Barton entitled Outlaws. 2332 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:25.720 In Utah because the pushback on this name is there 2333 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:29.239 aren't any outlaws in Utah right now, which, oh Contreier 2334 01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:32.720 shout out to our guy the Bowl. Oh right, I mean, 2335 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:35.600 there are several outlaws in Utah County. They're stealing money 2336 01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:38.279 from ward members and putting it in fake securities and 2337 01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:40.159 claiming that they're trying to do good and they go 2338 01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:40.960 to jail for a while. 2339 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:42.039 There are a lot of those bros. 2340 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:42.600 There are. 2341 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:44.800 There are a lot of outlaws in our state. 2342 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:48.399 That's an interesting tie to the outlaw ning. But yeah, 2343 01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:49.760 they're still around. 2344 01:55:49.960 --> 01:55:52.319 So according to our guy John D. Barton and the 2345 01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:55.760 Utah Department of Education, Outlaws in Utah. Butch Cassidy, or 2346 01:55:55.920 --> 01:56:00.520 he as he was christened Robert Leroy Parker, is best known, 2347 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.039 is the best known of Utah's outlaws rivalry and the 2348 01:56:04.159 --> 01:56:08.119 fame of even Jesse James Billy the Kid. Cassidy and 2349 01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:12.039 his gang the Wild Bunch were among the most successful 2350 01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:13.079 of Western outlaws. 2351 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:13.800 There you go. 2352 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:20.760 And I like to add they targeted only banks, train barons. 2353 01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:24.960 Oh now, don't paint him as robinhood here and the rich. 2354 01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:28.840 This actually take dead aim at the rich boys fence. Hey, hey, 2355 01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:32.239 check out the Twitter profile. This Actually, now that we're 2356 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:35.439 learning more about outlaws in Utah and the rich history, 2357 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:38.279 you might need to get involved to drop some knowledge 2358 01:56:38.319 --> 01:56:40.159 on the people as to why this name actually works. 2359 01:56:40.279 --> 01:56:42.239 I am happy to get involved. As far as the 2360 01:56:42.399 --> 01:56:46.199 educational process, as you mentioned, we'll we'll show, we'll have 2361 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:50.960 a show and tell on old outlaw paraphernalia. I'm happy 2362 01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:54.479 to do that. But yeah, there's there's a lot of 2363 01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:58.000 different ways you can go with that, that branding, that nickname. 2364 01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:02.760 So I'm on board with it, and I'll reserve my 2365 01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:06.680 actual vote till I decide between the remaining. 2366 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:08.760 Shout out to a lesser known member of the gang 2367 01:57:09.359 --> 01:57:12.399 named Henry Wilbur meeks, I'm familiar with. 2368 01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:15.880 This young man, Henry wil no Elsie Lay mentions. 2369 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:16.439 Well, I'm getting there. 2370 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:20.279 So Henry Wilbur Lenk's was a former Mormon who latched 2371 01:57:20.359 --> 01:57:23.000 on to Butch casting the Sundance Kid and his gang. 2372 01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.079 He was from Wallsburg, Utah. 2373 01:57:25.159 --> 01:57:28.119 Shout out to Wallsburg, whether where his father was a 2374 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:33.279 freighter named Harvey Logan, better known in gang circles as 2375 01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:36.239 Kid Curry. He had come home from a small Ranching 2376 01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:40.159 family in Montana. Many other outlaws throughout the era had 2377 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:43.680 nothing extraordinary in their backgrounds. Most were from common backgrounds, 2378 01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:47.000 and many became outlaws due to the conditions of the times. 2379 01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:51.399 Some outlaws were careful from where they from whom they stole, 2380 01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:54.680 and at times shared with those in severe need with 2381 01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:57.760 whom they came into contact, fostering the robin hood myth. 2382 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:00.680 Though it must be remembered that his only natural to 2383 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.920 rob from the rich. After all, they're the ones with 2384 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:03.960 the money worth stealing. 2385 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:06.479 That is true. This is according to our guy John 2386 01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:08.880 Bates from the Utah Department of Education. That is true. 2387 01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:13.199 Harvey Logan, his brother Lonnie Lonnie Logan, shut up? 2388 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:14.119 Are you serious? 2389 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:18.319 I do have a pretty good I'm in deathite knowledge here. 2390 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:19.520 I didn't mean to tell you to shut up, that 2391 01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:19.840 was true. 2392 01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:23.199 No, I mean, listen, we don't get into Outlaws of 2393 01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:24.680 the West very often. 2394 01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:26.920 Well we have to now because our hockey team might 2395 01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:28.119 be named the Utah Outlaws. 2396 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:30.159 But yeah, I do like that you bring that up. 2397 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:31.680 I do like that you bring that up because there 2398 01:58:31.720 --> 01:58:34.880 are very much and rightfully so, there are plenty of 2399 01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:39.199 negative connotations with outlaws with I mean just to be 2400 01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:44.680 completely frank westward expansion of white people joining this land. Right, 2401 01:58:44.720 --> 01:58:46.479 there's a lot of negative connotations. There's a lot of 2402 01:58:46.520 --> 01:58:50.880 dark history there, but there are also pretty cool stories 2403 01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:53.039 and some pretty fun ones mixed it. 2404 01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:55.439 Have you watched American Primeval on Netflix? 2405 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:57.239 I started it, I saw some of it. 2406 01:58:57.359 --> 01:58:57.960 Is it any good? 2407 01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:02.560 It's really so, It's done really well. Okay, The cinematography 2408 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:08.000 is awesome. The portrayals of characters are awesome. Like the 2409 01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:12.079 grittiness you get from it is cool and it follows 2410 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:16.439 the storyline. But my one beef with it is it's 2411 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:20.359 kind of purporting itself as documentary. 2412 01:59:20.520 --> 01:59:23.319 While isn't it like a docu drama series? 2413 01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:23.560 Right? 2414 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:26.279 But it's mixing in a lot like the cities aren't real. Okay, 2415 01:59:26.640 --> 01:59:30.199 The storyline is is a little so my thing is 2416 01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:33.760 someone from Utah who likes the history and studying it. 2417 01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:38.319 There was a lot of inaccuracies, I'll say, but there 2418 01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:41.960 was also a lot of good representation of how gritty 2419 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:42.520 that time was. 2420 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:43.560 Our guy John D. 2421 01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.560 Barton from the Utah the not the Athletic Department, the 2422 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:51.239 Utah Education Department continues as the Western Frontier, we're learning 2423 01:59:51.239 --> 01:59:54.439 about the outlaws kids. Okay, So Sports Soccer Radio today 2424 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:57.680 we're in class because the Utah hockey team has now 2425 01:59:57.720 --> 02:00:02.560 announced the Utah Outlaws as a potential name for the club, 2426 02:00:03.039 --> 02:00:04.720 and so a lot of people online are saying, wait 2427 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:06.279 a second, the state doesn't have outlaws. 2428 02:00:06.359 --> 02:00:07.880 Well, Porter knows that that's faults. 2429 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:10.720 And so as we continue to learn about how this 2430 02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.479 stuff kind of came down as the West, including Utah 2431 02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:17.680 quote grew up, it was developed by ranchers, miners, Timberman, 2432 02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:21.279 the army, and small farmers and homesteaders. The last group 2433 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:24.199 was particularly important to Utah because Brigham Young and his 2434 02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:28.640 desire to see his followers pursue certain lifestyles. The disparity 2435 02:00:28.680 --> 02:00:32.479 of wealth between the homesteader and larger interests usually was great, 2436 02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:34.880 and those who had to live quote, hand to mouth, 2437 02:00:35.520 --> 02:00:38.239 uncertain of their next meal, often helped themselves to a 2438 02:00:38.319 --> 02:00:41.680 small portion of the profits of the more fortunate others 2439 02:00:41.800 --> 02:00:44.760 through honest endeavors. Themselves turned a blind eye to those 2440 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:47.600 who even things up even a little. Many, if not most, 2441 02:00:47.640 --> 02:00:51.000 big ranches improved their start by branding strays er mavericks, 2442 02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:54.920 and then, once large and prosperous, they condemned small time 2443 02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:58.640 operators who did Likewise, this led to range wars, murders, 2444 02:00:58.680 --> 02:01:03.800 and hostility. Our ranches might even sanction means to eliminate 2445 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:06.000 smaller competitors. 2446 02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:10.079 Sounds like it was wild back then. Yeah, that's the 2447 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:10.760 wild wild West. 2448 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:13.479 I mean, that's history that we've talked about. My family 2449 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:15.600 was here in eighteen forty five. They were out here, 2450 02:01:16.279 --> 02:01:19.960 ranch and sheep, trying to mind their own business. At 2451 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:24.479 the time, Spence, this was Mexico, right, And you know, 2452 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:28.079 at a certain point, and we talk about this in 2453 02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:35.159 modern form, things reach a stage where the man who 2454 02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:38.720 holds the gold maybe holds a little too much of 2455 02:01:38.760 --> 02:01:41.520 the gold, too much of the golden rule. And yeah, 2456 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:43.920 it was putting like regular people who were just trying 2457 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:48.000 to mind their business and ranch in positions where they 2458 02:01:48.119 --> 02:01:51.119 could not compete because of the way that farming was happening, 2459 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:54.439 factory farming, the start of kind of factory farming, and 2460 02:01:55.159 --> 02:01:59.600 giant corporations pushing farmers off their land, stealing their cattle. 2461 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:03.399 And back then there was really it was tough to track, 2462 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:07.079 it was tough to find and prosecute, so they took 2463 02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:07.960 stuff into their own hands. 2464 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:10.520 It feels like the Utah outlaw name is gained some traction. 2465 02:02:10.720 --> 02:02:15.439 Most Western outlaws identified with the common people. Backgrounds of 2466 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.560 some members of the Wild Bunch show easy identification with 2467 02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:21.199 the small ranchers and farmers who were so common throughout 2468 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:23.560 the West. Our guy, Butch Cassidy. Can we call but 2469 02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:25.880 Cassidy our guy because he's a family member of yours? 2470 02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:29.119 I think the third cousin is close enough. He's our guy. 2471 02:02:29.640 --> 02:02:32.760 Can you get one of his direct descendants on the show, 2472 02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:35.079 like maybe a great great great grandchild? 2473 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.439 Good question if we're going to be the outlaws. 2474 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:40.199 So our guy, Butch Cassidy raised on a small ranch 2475 02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:45.039 in southern Utah by Mormon parents. Elsie Lay, originally from Ohio, 2476 02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:47.319 had migrated west to Colorado. 2477 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:49.439 I had twenty minutes to prepare on Gobert. By the way, 2478 02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:49.920 we'll get there. 2479 02:02:50.039 --> 02:02:50.439 That's okay. 2480 02:02:51.079 --> 02:02:54.000 Had migrated west to Colorado with his family. Then, after 2481 02:02:54.079 --> 02:02:57.039 a failed romance, sorry, Butch hang in there. Choose love 2482 02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:01.840 once again every time. That's my angelou jes loved one 2483 02:03:01.880 --> 02:03:04.960 more time? Every time, Butch hanging there. After a failed romance, 2484 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:07.760 he drifted into his outlaw ways and infamy with the 2485 02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:11.600 Wild Bunch. His mother was tall and slender, His father 2486 02:03:11.720 --> 02:03:13.800 was a handsome man known for reading and being a 2487 02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:16.800 top of bronco rider in Ranchant and had away with 2488 02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:17.640 women and horses. 2489 02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:21.239 That dude sounds like John Dutton from Yellowstone. Not gonna lie. Uh. 2490 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:24.279 So you mentioned Harry longba is a the Sundance Kid 2491 02:03:24.479 --> 02:03:27.399 Harry loangaba ya Longabah. Okay, so he was thought to 2492 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:29.840 be from Pensylvan Pennsylvania, where he claimed to be from. 2493 02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.079 Quote a good family, lesser known member of the gang. 2494 02:03:32.119 --> 02:03:34.680 We already talked about our guy, Henry Wilbert Meeks. It 2495 02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:35.840 sounds like Porter. 2496 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:39.439 If we land on the Outlaws, the mascot should be 2497 02:03:39.479 --> 02:03:40.520 Butch Cassidy. 2498 02:03:41.359 --> 02:03:41.920 In some form. 2499 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:44.039 I don't think it should be a certain person now, 2500 02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:48.560 you know, maybe based off of somebody I don't. You know, 2501 02:03:48.720 --> 02:03:50.640 I am biased here, so I don't feel like I 2502 02:03:50.840 --> 02:03:54.279 should step in. But uh yeah, if there's anyone that 2503 02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:57.840 you're you're basing it off of, at least loosely, that's uh, 2504 02:03:58.039 --> 02:03:59.760 that's got to be one of the considerations. 2505 02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:03.119 Finally, the Outlaw Trail, which ran from Mexico to Canada, 2506 02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:06.239 was comprised of key friendly ranches coupled with hard to 2507 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:09.520 find hideouts. Here we go such as our Guy Robert 2508 02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:14.640 Roost and Brown's Park, which ran through Utah's path. Here 2509 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.359 the majority of the population was Mormon, and here the 2510 02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:21.359 outlaws reception is especially peculiar. Mormons, for the most part, 2511 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:24.399 abhorred violence and crime, yet many outlaws were on friendly 2512 02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:27.760 terms and local citizens. An explanation for this is possible 2513 02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:31.159 through understanding Utah's economic situation of the late eighteen hundreds. 2514 02:04:31.600 --> 02:04:35.239 Mormons had long been outcast themselves socially, politically, and economically, 2515 02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:39.600 and in the late nineteenth century suffered severe persecutions at 2516 02:04:39.640 --> 02:04:42.319 the hand of the government over the practice of polygamy. 2517 02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:45.840 This is a sports talk radio show. There's little wonder 2518 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:49.119 that Mormons felt resentment and distrust towards outside interests, whether 2519 02:04:49.239 --> 02:04:52.760 government or big business, hence the birth of Butchercassidy. 2520 02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:53.960 There you go, There you go. 2521 02:04:54.119 --> 02:04:55.000 I think we have our name. 2522 02:04:55.279 --> 02:04:58.000 Yeah, you're talking me into it, and I'm one that 2523 02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:00.720 doesn't need to be talked to much into that one. 2524 02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:04.800 So final piece, Kids, Final piece for today. An examination 2525 02:05:04.920 --> 02:05:08.039 of the lives of most Western outlaws most likely would 2526 02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:11.560 reveal lifestyle of night riding, missed meals, hot pursuits, poorly 2527 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:16.720 tended wounds, broken friendships and economic deprivation. They were usually 2528 02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:20.600 brokeer hiding, unable to spend stolen money. There was little 2529 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:23.960 glamour in the real lives of outlaws our hockey team's 2530 02:05:24.039 --> 02:05:28.479 named Potentially, they experienced difficult family relations, long trails, and 2531 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:30.920 fear of treachery with the knowledge of that, regardless of 2532 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:33.880 the cause, they were outlaws and anyone can turn them 2533 02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:37.119 in for the reward money. Yet it was reported Let's 2534 02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:41.439 Land the Plane that Utah's cowboy outlaws were often gentlemen 2535 02:05:41.640 --> 02:05:44.960 in their manner, Often outgoing and friendly, they pose little 2536 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:48.000 threat to the average citizen, and their selection of targets 2537 02:05:48.039 --> 02:05:52.119 for robbery at times maintained an identification with the common 2538 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:56.640 people while becoming hated enemies of big business. These are socialists, 2539 02:05:57.479 --> 02:06:02.479 these are cowboys day, these are disruptors. These outlaws were 2540 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:04.720 products of the times and gained, if not the respect, 2541 02:06:04.720 --> 02:06:07.680 at least the tolerance of their fellows and the near 2542 02:06:07.800 --> 02:06:10.479 curlt worship of today's Western history enthusiasts. 2543 02:06:11.239 --> 02:06:14.840 You went right through it all, period, full stop. We 2544 02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:15.800 learned a lot today on. 2545 02:06:15.800 --> 02:06:18.760 The program One more outlaw, quick story, Go ahead, bring it. 2546 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:18.920 So. 2547 02:06:19.239 --> 02:06:22.239 You mentioned the outlaw trail. There Okay, my third great 2548 02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:25.560 grandfather and his father who were on the run from 2549 02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:28.680 US Marshalls. That is why they were out here scouting 2550 02:06:28.760 --> 02:06:33.880 land for the Mormon Church. They helped informally establish the 2551 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:36.960 Outlaw Trail. They hid those guys as they came through. 2552 02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:40.319 You'll hear stories of them going through the Wahsatch Back 2553 02:06:40.399 --> 02:06:42.800 Park City Coville area while they were stopping at my 2554 02:06:42.880 --> 02:06:47.000 family's property. There's still a cabin that kind of stands 2555 02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:51.079 on one of our places where those guys would hide 2556 02:06:51.119 --> 02:06:54.359 out in certain moments. 2557 02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:55.880 But my. 2558 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:01.520 Third great grandfather, he actually published in the Deseret News 2559 02:07:01.560 --> 02:07:04.479 in eighteen fifty three one of his trails that he 2560 02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:06.800 had staked. It went from Salt Lake to what is 2561 02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:12.960 now Lake Tahoe. But after he published that trail so 2562 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:17.920 that people could start using it, he waited on the 2563 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:22.119 trail with four Piute Indians and robbed people as they 2564 02:07:22.199 --> 02:07:26.039 came by using the trail that he had published in 2565 02:07:26.119 --> 02:07:29.479 the Deseret News, robbing the weary travelers who were then 2566 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:31.000 using his trail. 2567 02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:34.600 If you're going to rob the whites, bring the piotes, yeah, 2568 02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:35.960 I mean, I mean, that's an excellent approach. 2569 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:39.720 It's not a bad strategy. He taught them from English too, 2570 02:07:39.720 --> 02:07:41.159 which I thought was that's actually interesting. 2571 02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:43.159 You know, it's wild. The more things change, the more 2572 02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:45.039 they remain the same. And if you do not learn 2573 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:48.600 from history, you are what doomed to repeat it. The 2574 02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:52.560 combination of corrupt politics, unfair banking and lending policies lais 2575 02:07:52.640 --> 02:07:55.840 a fair economics, and unregulated business practices. 2576 02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:56.880 Where does this sound from? 2577 02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:56.960 That? 2578 02:07:57.039 --> 02:07:57.399 I don't know. 2579 02:07:58.359 --> 02:08:01.600 All serve to sharpen the distinct between the rich and 2580 02:08:01.760 --> 02:08:04.439 those less fortunate. This is not twenty twenty five, but 2581 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:07.000 it might as well be known as social Darwinism. 2582 02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:08.960 Survivor of the fittest. 2583 02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:13.359 In the jungle way of life, justified the wealthy and 2584 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:16.600 condemned the poor as social classes based upon the wealth 2585 02:08:16.600 --> 02:08:20.359 where established small farmers and ranchers came to distrust, distrust, 2586 02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:23.119 and often resent big business and politicians. 2587 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:26.319 So finally, okay, we'll land it here. 2588 02:08:26.479 --> 02:08:30.319 Many law abiding citizens took secret satisfaction in the fact 2589 02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:32.920 that the outlaws were bloody in the nose of the rich. 2590 02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:35.960 The robbery of a train, payroll, a bank, or even 2591 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:38.720 a large mind had little if any effect on the 2592 02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:42.640 small farmer and the rancher. That's twenty minutes on the 2593 02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:46.760 history of Outlaws in Utah, and I think and I 2594 02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:49.159 think we've landed on the new name of the hockey club. 2595 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:52.640 I seriously had twenty minutes ready for Gobert and Rudy 2596 02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:53.159 and the jazz. 2597 02:08:53.359 --> 02:08:55.560 Hey, I think we went in the right direction. 2598 02:08:56.079 --> 02:08:56.520 I like it. 2599 02:08:56.760 --> 02:08:58.960 And you have knowledge that no many people around here do. 2600 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:08.000 All right, wrapping it up Thursday show, a little breaking news. 2601 02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:09.880 I was going to talk about this early in the 2602 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:11.880 five o'clock hour, but we gave you a twenty five 2603 02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:16.359 minute history lesson of Outlaws in Utah. As the Outlaws now, 2604 02:09:16.399 --> 02:09:18.479 one are the options for the Utah hockey clubs named. 2605 02:09:18.520 --> 02:09:22.680 The NBA All Star Reserves have been announced and there 2606 02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.439 are no jazz players. Nobody's surprised about that. So the 2607 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:30.199 East All Star Reserves Pascal Siakam, Jalen Brown, Darius Garland, 2608 02:09:30.279 --> 02:09:33.479 Kate Cunningham, Evan Mobley, and Dame Lillard, as well as 2609 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:37.680 Tyler Hero out West, it's Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, James Harden, 2610 02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:41.800 Jaron Jackson, Junior Alfred and Shangoon, Jalen Williams, and Victor 2611 02:09:42.319 --> 02:09:47.079 Wembanyama first time All Star obviously for Victor women Yama. 2612 02:09:47.720 --> 02:09:50.920 So it's a different format. In case you guys even 2613 02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:54.079 give a rip, you probably don't. NBA announcing the fourteen 2614 02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:57.399 All Star Reserves tonight. The game itself has a new format. 2615 02:09:57.479 --> 02:09:58.920 The All Stars are going to be split up into 2616 02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:02.399 three teams. Day Night's Rising Stars Champion becomes the fourth 2617 02:10:02.600 --> 02:10:06.399 entry into a three game mini tournaments, and of course 2618 02:10:06.520 --> 02:10:10.560 we'll find out who the starters were and then they'll 2619 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:13.279 be split up into three teams as opposed to two 2620 02:10:13.319 --> 02:10:13.840 in the past. 2621 02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:15.039 So there you go. 2622 02:10:15.239 --> 02:10:18.880 Jazz and Action I Action tonight taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves. 2623 02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:22.319 Rudy gober back in the building. We did not get 2624 02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:28.439 to the Justin Justin Tucker story. Justin Tucker's come out 2625 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:32.000 and said the therapists allegations are false, but six massage 2626 02:10:32.039 --> 02:10:35.600 therapists in the Baltimore area have the Qus Ravens kicker 2627 02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:41.000 Justin Tucker of inappropriate behavior. Deshaun Watson, of course, was 2628 02:10:41.079 --> 02:10:42.079 the pioneer. 2629 02:10:41.720 --> 02:10:44.479 With all this stuff. That's probably the wrong term, but gross. 2630 02:10:45.439 --> 02:10:48.960 So there you go, All Star Reserves, Jazz and Action tonight, 2631 02:10:49.640 --> 02:10:51.279 and good NBA basketball tonight. 2632 02:10:51.279 --> 02:10:52.119 It's kind of a light night. 2633 02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:55.159 Utah men's hoops will be back in action against Oklahoma 2634 02:10:55.199 --> 02:10:58.239 State coming up on Saturday. The Utah Women Welcome in 2635 02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:01.319 Arizona coming up tomorrow six thirty at the Huntsman Center. 2636 02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:04.920 Game can be seen on FS one. Utah Hockey Club 2637 02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:07.800 back in action tomorrow against Columbus BYU Men in action 2638 02:11:08.000 --> 02:11:10.239 on Saturday, two o'clock on the road at UCF. 2639 02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:14.199 Did we forget anything? I think we were very thorough 2640 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:16.640 and comprehensive on the show today. I think we were. 2641 02:11:17.560 --> 02:11:18.840 I'm sure we're forgetting something. 2642 02:11:20.960 --> 02:11:23.760 No, I think we covered it. I think we did football. 2643 02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:26.520 We did college football, pro football, we did jazz basketball. 2644 02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:28.680 We even did a little RSL with John Paul. You know, 2645 02:11:28.760 --> 02:11:32.319 it's weird. I don't know what this is, probably age. 2646 02:11:33.600 --> 02:11:36.159 The past couple of weeks. The past couple of weeks, 2647 02:11:36.159 --> 02:11:39.079 I've had two really weird situations occur. I thought I 2648 02:11:39.239 --> 02:11:42.279 was forty five for like ten days. I'm forty six. 2649 02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:46.600 It's not a huge gap, but somebody was asking me, like, Hey, 2650 02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:48.760 when's your birthday. I'm like, oh, it's in March, and like, yeah, 2651 02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:50.880 I'm turning forty six. And it didn't even phase me. 2652 02:11:51.399 --> 02:11:53.199 I did that like three times over the course of 2653 02:11:53.279 --> 02:11:56.359 ten days. And it wasn't like some desire to be younger. 2654 02:11:56.479 --> 02:11:59.319 I just it's like, you're forty five. I was off 2655 02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:00.800 by a year. I did that for like two weeks. 2656 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:03.760 After a certain amount, they're just kind of just another day, right. 2657 02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:06.920 That's rude. That's mean. 2658 02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:08.560 Not saying you're old. 2659 02:12:08.640 --> 02:12:10.359 No, you were saying that I'm old, and that's fine. 2660 02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:13.479 Forty six of them, that's I'm aging. It's a few birthdays. 2661 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:18.840 I also aggressively prepared my day. I think it was Tuesday. 2662 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:21.840 Let's see, I'll tell you exactly what day it was. 2663 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:26.159 I aggressively prepared my day, had a sitter for Duke 2664 02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:29.399 and had everything ready to go to go down to 2665 02:12:29.680 --> 02:12:33.319 the Delta Center on Tuesday night to watch the Jazz 2666 02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:36.840 play the Warriors. They were they definitely were at the 2667 02:12:36.920 --> 02:12:38.399 Chase Center in San Francisco. 2668 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:39.520 Did you go downtown? 2669 02:12:39.680 --> 02:12:42.000 I did not, but I almost did, the only way 2670 02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:44.439 I've done that before you. The only reason I. 2671 02:12:44.479 --> 02:12:46.960 Didn't is because I came in to do the show 2672 02:12:47.159 --> 02:12:49.399 and I was ready to go, you know, had a 2673 02:12:49.479 --> 02:12:52.000 sitter for the dog, and then we had an MBA 2674 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:54.199 guest on I'm like, all right, let's talk Jazz Warriors. 2675 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:55.600 And then I pull up the game, I'm like, oh, 2676 02:12:56.840 --> 02:13:01.199 they're on the road. Yeah, so two just total mind farts. 2677 02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:02.600 I guess over the past couple of weeks. 2678 02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:03.239 It's January. 2679 02:13:03.399 --> 02:13:04.680 It is all right. 2680 02:13:04.720 --> 02:13:07.000 Craig Smith coaches show coming up on the other side, 2681 02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:09.359 Porter what comes our way? On a Friday edition of 2682 02:13:09.399 --> 02:13:09.680 the Drive. 2683 02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:11.760 Speaking of that guy, Craig Smith hops on the show. 2684 02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:14.680 On a Friday edition of the Drive, We'll chat with 2685 02:13:14.720 --> 02:13:19.039 Spencer Nelson some more college hoops, NBA all Star stuff 2686 02:13:19.359 --> 02:13:24.000 reactions with one Richard Smitty Smith talking some jazz as well, 2687 02:13:24.039 --> 02:13:28.399 the return of Smitty and super Bowl Champ ahead of 2688 02:13:28.439 --> 02:13:30.720 the super Bowl one Terrell Burgess twintsppro. 2689 02:13:30.439 --> 02:13:31.039 Oh very nice. 2690 02:13:31.079 --> 02:13:33.239 That'll be a great Friday show. Get your weekend start 2691 02:13:33.279 --> 02:13:35.119 out the right way, but special. Thank you on this 2692 02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:38.680 Thursday to Andy Larson and Scott Mitchell, to j Peachunga. 2693 02:13:38.720 --> 02:13:40.079 If you miss any of the sound from the show, 2694 02:13:40.159 --> 02:13:42.479 go to the website ESPN seven hundred Sports dot Com. 2695 02:13:42.600 --> 02:13:44.960 Download our app. ESPN seven hundred app is free in 2696 02:13:45.000 --> 02:13:47.439 the app Store. Then for what we do in our 2697 02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:51.000 space podcast page, check us out, follow wherever you good show, subscribe, 2698 02:13:51.399 --> 02:13:53.520 rate review saying nice things, give us all the stars. 2699 02:13:53.560 --> 02:13:54.920 You will be eternally blessed. 2700 02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:57.960 He's Porter, I'm Spence saying Tonight Craig Smith Coaches Show 2701 02:13:58.000 --> 02:13:59.760 with our guy Ryles comes up on the other side 2702 02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:02.880 right here. 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