Speaker 1: All right, what's going on drivetime Thursday afternoon, about five
Speaker 1: minutes past the hour of two o'clock. Tell you what man,
Speaker 1: Forty degrees and sunny hits different in late January. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are hoping we get snow
Speaker 1: in the benches. I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 2: Snow in the mountains.
Speaker 1: The sunny down here and I'm all for it. So
Speaker 1: it's about forty one degrees in sunny at about two
Speaker 1: o five here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, right
Speaker 1: outside our Broadway Media studios, and as it is every.
Speaker 2: Single day, it's good to have you along for the
Speaker 2: rids men's check. It's beyond the mic.
Speaker 1: That's Port Larson behind the glass, jam packed Thursday shows.
Speaker 1: We're inching closer and closer to the weekend. It's a
Speaker 1: lot to do on the program today to Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2: Welcome in an old friend.
Speaker 1: Tonight, Rudy Gobert and the Minnesota Timberwolves are in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City to take on the jazz. That's a seven
Speaker 1: o'clock Mountain time tip. Minnesota's played a little bit better
Speaker 1: as of late after a really rough start, and the
Speaker 1: jazz are an unserious organization, But Minnesota in town tonight
Speaker 1: seven o'clock is your tip.
Speaker 2: A fun night of NBA basketball.
Speaker 1: Last night, the New York Knicks beat the Denver Nuggets
Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden and fun, fun game, And the
Speaker 1: Knicks are kind of this outlier in pro basketball right now.
Speaker 1: All five of their starters play over thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: to night, and obviously Tom Thibodeau has been criticized quite
Speaker 1: a bit for his approach in the past, but the
Speaker 1: Knicks our fun team to watch this year. Fun game
Speaker 1: between the Mavericks and the Pelicans. The t Wolves weren't
Speaker 1: action last night. They were in Phoenix, they beat the Suns,
Speaker 1: and now they're here in Salt Lake City, so excuse me.
Speaker 1: Second out of a back to back from Minnesota taking
Speaker 1: on the Jazz tonight.
Speaker 2: Fun night last night.
Speaker 1: As the Warriors beat the Thunder despite Shay going for
Speaker 1: half a hundred once again, and so the NBA high
Speaker 1: speed out of the trade deadline kind of a lighter
Speaker 1: night tonight. With five total games in pro basketball, TNT
Speaker 1: has a double dip. It's going to be the Hawks
Speaker 1: and the Calves and the Rockets and the Grizzlies, Rockets
Speaker 1: and the Grizzlies, the return of Dylan Dylan Brooks to
Speaker 1: Memphis as the Rockets are playing really, really well. So
Speaker 1: that's a big game tonight at the FedEx Form. We'll
Speaker 1: do a little NBA basketball on the show today is
Speaker 1: we're high speed ahead to the trade deadline. That February sixth,
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Another rumors surfaced earlier today that the
Speaker 1: Jazz and the Kings have been engaged in talks for
Speaker 1: a deal that would land John Collins in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Will the Jazz be active? Will they do anything?
Speaker 1: They've already sent three picks to the Phoenix Suns in
Speaker 1: exchange for an unprotected twenty thirty one.
Speaker 2: So we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine Chiefs Eagles on Sunday, February the ninth.
Speaker 1: Kansas City has won seventeenth straight game decided by one score.
Speaker 1: This is a rematch of the Super Bowl a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when looked like Philly was gonna get them,
Speaker 1: and then Kansas City came back, because that's what Kansas
Speaker 1: City does. But the latest on the Super Bowl coming up.
Speaker 1: The latest on the world of pro football. The New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints are still trying to find their head coach
Speaker 1: after a former Cowboys coach Mike.
Speaker 2: McCarthy said thanks, but no thanks.
Speaker 1: He's gonna wait for the coaching higher cycle in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. Kellen Moore apparently is the favorite there, but
Speaker 1: he's the offensive coordinator for the Eagles, so he's busy
Speaker 1: right now. Another football player accused of inappropriate behavior during
Speaker 1: massage sessions, So we'll get to that bad look.
Speaker 2: Certainly on the program today.
Speaker 1: College basketball local top of Mind Awareness Craig Smith will
Speaker 1: join the program tomorrow the head coach of the Running Utes.
Speaker 1: They're back in action, coming up on Saturday, one o'clock
Speaker 1: tip time out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 2: The next four games on the road. One home game there.
Speaker 1: Is on February the fifth, So next week Colorado will
Speaker 1: be in town, and then it's at West Virginia at Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and on February the fifteenth, Rock Chock Jayhawks.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to get Bill Riley on the show
Speaker 2: that week.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Bill ever thought he'd be calling a
Speaker 1: Kansas game here in Saul Lake. Of course, Bill that
Speaker 1: is his alma mater, So Bill be on the call
Speaker 1: for Kansas Utah in Saul Lake byus figured something out, man.
Speaker 1: They played a lot better as of late. They've won
Speaker 1: three straight, they've won four or five. That one loss
Speaker 1: was here in Salt Lake City to the Utes. They're
Speaker 1: on the road at UCF home against Arizona, then at
Speaker 1: Cincinnati West Virginia. Really good win for them against Baylor.
Speaker 1: Kennon catchings. If you're wondering why pro scouts like that kid,
Speaker 1: and apparently twenty five thirty pro scouts at that game. Man,
Speaker 1: he was lights out, played really really well. So college
Speaker 1: basketball top of mine right now. The Utah women continue
Speaker 1: to play well, back to back wins over.
Speaker 2: Kansas and BYU.
Speaker 1: They are going to take on Arizona coming up tomorrow
Speaker 1: six thirty and that will be on FS one.
Speaker 2: Of course, you can hear the game on our station.
Speaker 1: That game is here in Salt Lake at the Huntsman Center,
Speaker 1: So head on up and support those Utah Utes.
Speaker 2: Utah Hockey Club fans were.
Speaker 1: Present and witness to a historic goal. Quite frankly, Sydney
Speaker 1: Crosby Sidney Kid twenty years in professional hockey, scored the
Speaker 1: game win or overtime as the Penguins beat the Utah
Speaker 1: Hockey Club three to the Utah Hockey Club after winning
Speaker 1: three straight, they've now lost three straight game. They're three
Speaker 1: straight games. They're back in action tomorrow taking on the
Speaker 1: Blue Jackets. Daisy Week for our friends at the Delta Center.
Speaker 1: The Delta Center is home to several events this week,
Speaker 1: and Utah Hockey Club fans were treated to a fake vote.
Speaker 1: Did you pretend to vote for the new name last night?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Mammoth, isn't it. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the Mammoth.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid that's gonna be the deal.
Speaker 1: Utah wassatch was forced upon you without any input, So
Speaker 1: if you want to know whether or not your vote matters,
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of the example. The spin from
Speaker 1: the SEG group is that that's in place of the
Speaker 1: Yennie because they want to create some corny snowman to
Speaker 1: be the mascot. But for the next three home games,
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club will pretend to allow you to vote
Speaker 1: on the name, and then they will take your email
Speaker 1: address and use that for data for qual tricks, and
Speaker 1: then they're just gonna pick the name they want to
Speaker 1: go with. So, anyway, are you interested in the truth?
Speaker 2: You really care?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it seems like these days most
Speaker 1: people are not RSL. Another preseason match today, we're high
Speaker 1: speed ahead to the first game of the calendar season.
Speaker 1: It's a CONCACAF match down in Costa Rica, I believe,
Speaker 1: and CONCKCAFF Champions Cup first leg, and then we'll launch
Speaker 1: into MLS play. So we're kind of inching towards spring.
Speaker 1: Today feels a little spring ish obviously, plenty of winter
Speaker 1: left with February and Mark, so a lot to do.
Speaker 1: Busy show on the program today, Busy show on the program.
Speaker 2: Today with a really really good guest list.
Speaker 1: We'll bring in Andy Larson right off the top for
Speaker 1: all the latest on the Utah Jazz, latest on the
Speaker 1: trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Maybe do a little RSL with Andy today, and.
Speaker 1: Then talk about the current situation with the naming process
Speaker 1: for the Utah Hockey Club.
Speaker 2: I know Andy has some thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell one of the best to ever do it
Speaker 1: at the University of Utah, former NFL quarterback. We'll do
Speaker 1: mostly pro football with Scott today. We'll do a little
Speaker 1: Super Bowl preview and if Tom Allows of course late
Speaker 1: us on the Big twelve Utah football situation.
Speaker 2: We've already talked about the odds that.
Speaker 1: Were released and the Bill Conley SMP plus twelve team
Speaker 1: CFP projection that included the utes. Not sure how I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if people are excited about that or like
Speaker 1: here we go again, but we're bringing Scott today on
Speaker 1: the program. Former producer of this program. He is on
Speaker 1: the masthead as a founder of the Drive. Now he's
Speaker 1: over with our friends at the Utah Jazz and he
Speaker 1: is the play by play voice of the Utah Stars.
Speaker 1: He's the play by play voice of the Utah Royals.
Speaker 1: He's a very busy young man. JP John Paul chunga
Speaker 1: live in studio that we'll do a little sports court
Speaker 1: on this Thursday afternoon. Andy Larson, Scott Mitchell, JP, Shanga, Me,
Speaker 1: Spence checkets, all of you the great listeners. Happy Thursday
Speaker 1: to you and that guy Porter Larson producing the program
Speaker 1: on a Thursday. Did you attend the game last night
Speaker 1: to give your email address to Qualtricks or pretend to vote?
Speaker 2: Were you there?
Speaker 4: I voted five or six different times with five or
Speaker 4: six different emails that were not mine to just to
Speaker 4: to make sure I got my voice heard, but none
Speaker 4: of my data harvested.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the mammoth, isn't it. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the mamoth.
Speaker 4: I think so, but I'm not entirely sure. I think
Speaker 4: I think it'll be the mammoth of the hockey club
Speaker 4: going forward. And you know, I'm fine with either of those.
Speaker 4: I just think the process to the unveil could have
Speaker 4: been a lot cleaner. And that's still underway. But uh yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll get to a bunch of that with Andy, catch
Speaker 4: up with JP, and go from there on a on
Speaker 4: a Thursday edition of the show.
Speaker 1: By the way, I sneezed seven times before the show started,
Speaker 1: seven like right before the show started. I think that
Speaker 1: might be a personal record. Do you have a personal
Speaker 1: record for consecutive sneezes?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I I have data on that.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 4: Ques should ask Qualterricks.
Speaker 1: What kind of communists doesn't track their sneeze their sneezes?
Speaker 1: Everybody has the personal record for sneezes. I guarantee it.
Speaker 4: I grew up with a allergy to cottonwood trees in
Speaker 4: the river bottoms full of cottonwood trees, so I've gone
Speaker 4: on sneezing fits that have lasted like minutes before. I
Speaker 4: feel like, so, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's up there though seven straight might be my record,
Speaker 1: and it was right before I cracked the mic, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, all because I'm usually a three sneeze guy
Speaker 1: and then I'm done with it.
Speaker 2: I'm also a very aggressive sneezer.
Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube and you saw me before
Speaker 1: the show, there's something about my makeup where, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some like women who sneeze and it's cute, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cute, it's quiet. I am an aggressive sneezer. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I always have. Well, you know why.
Speaker 1: I do not know what you know what sneezes are?
Speaker 1: Please please tell it's your sins and evil escape? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Did you join a cult overnight?
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's the evil escaping? Isn't that
Speaker 1: like an old Isn't that like an old?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I feel like you just made that up.
Speaker 4: I think that's like an old belief of some some beliefs.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, to your point, it makes sense. We'll leave
Speaker 2: that there.
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Speaker 1: So it was kind of kicking this around earlier this morning.
Speaker 1: As you know, of course, the Super Bowl is upon
Speaker 1: us in you know, about seven eight days or so,
Speaker 1: coming up a week from Sunday. Of course we'll get
Speaker 1: you ready for the big game coming up next week.
Speaker 1: It'll be Super Bowl Week between the Chiefs and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Once again, it's a rematch of a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine down in the Big Easy down
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, and a lot of conversation about Howie
Speaker 1: Roseman and Roster construction for Philadelphia. And you know, ultimately
Speaker 1: what you need as an organization to be very, very successful,
Speaker 1: not just to have a couple of good years and
Speaker 1: then head back down to the spot where nobody.
Speaker 2: Pays attention to you anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry West always talked about the difference between
Speaker 1: good and great is simply consistency. Can you do it
Speaker 1: night in and night out as an organization? Can you
Speaker 1: win year and in year out? And even if you're
Speaker 1: not winning championships, do you at least have a chef,
Speaker 1: and in pro basketball, that's really all you can ask for. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna land the plane here as Rudy Gobert's in town
Speaker 1: and we'll do a little little, you know, little content
Speaker 1: today on the Wolves Jazz trade that was consummated for
Speaker 1: Gobert of course a few years ago. Always found to
Speaker 1: kind of revisit that when Rudy's in town. But the
Speaker 1: roster construction what's important, And for me it's always been
Speaker 1: ownership in front office.
Speaker 2: Of course, you need great players talent period.
Speaker 1: And of story, I can remember a number of years ago,
Speaker 1: college professor of mind asked me to go go interview
Speaker 1: somebody who had a job that I thought was interesting
Speaker 1: that maybe one day i'd like to do. And Scott
Speaker 1: Layden was the general manager of the Jazz and part
Speaker 1: of the interview process was you're supposed to ask this
Speaker 1: person who the most important people are in the organization
Speaker 1: and why. And this was nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: and I asked Scott in our interview process, okay, who
Speaker 1: are the most important people in the jazz organization? I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to say Larry Miller, GAO Miller
Speaker 1: the ownership. He didn't even pump fake. I thought he
Speaker 1: might say Jerry Sloan. He said, it's John Stockton and Carmelone.
Speaker 1: So those are the two most important people in this organization,
Speaker 1: because when you can win at a high level, it
Speaker 1: cures a myriad of sins. That's a frank leyden line
Speaker 1: that he's used often a lot about simply the importance.
Speaker 1: And Gordy Chiesa always drops the line when Carmelone made
Speaker 1: free throws it was better for the state's economy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you need the talent period. End of story. And a
Speaker 1: lot of the conversation about the way the Chiefs had
Speaker 1: constructed their roster can be reduced to fifteen under center.
Speaker 1: Now it's not just him, but a lot of it
Speaker 1: is him. We saw what happened to the Patriots when
Speaker 1: Brady took off to Tampa Bay. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: have one of those dudes under center, it changes the
Speaker 1: course of your organization. It changed the course of what
Speaker 1: you can be on the field as far as winning goes.
Speaker 2: And when you win, everything changes.
Speaker 1: And you know, roster construction in the NFL is a
Speaker 1: little bit different than roster construction and pro basketball, but
Speaker 1: there are some similarities as far as organizations and structures
Speaker 1: that historically speaking have bred great result because we really
Speaker 1: find ourselves in a difficult spy right now with this
Speaker 1: Jazz team and this process that already is in you know,
Speaker 1: nearly three years in the making and really hasn't bred
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are tangible outside of marketing.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a lot of assets, You've got
Speaker 1: a lot of picks. But as I said, when the
Speaker 1: Gobert trade went down and everybody said, oh man, I
Speaker 1: cannot believe what the Jazz got for Rudy Gobert, Well, ultimately,
Speaker 1: like yes on paper, but only time will tell whether
Speaker 1: or not this was a good deal. Only time will
Speaker 1: tell whether or not the Jazz talent evaluators and roster
Speaker 1: constructors were able to, you know, turn any of these
Speaker 1: draft assets and any of these picks into not rotational pieces,
Speaker 1: but good players that can bring you back to where
Speaker 1: you were before you decided to trade Gobert and Mitchell
Speaker 1: and everybody else. Roy Spognanovitch, Conley Quinn leaves, Dennis Lindsay
Speaker 1: leaves brand new era of Jazz basketball that at this
Speaker 1: point has not bred anything that's very exciting. And of course,
Speaker 1: when you look back, e Wolves get Rudy, and Rudy's
Speaker 1: been really good for them. I'm not sure that it
Speaker 1: was ever going to lead them to a championship. And
Speaker 1: that ownership group after that deal was left in flux
Speaker 1: and there's this weird thing going on with a lawsuit
Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez on one side, and you know, ultimately they
Speaker 1: had to make a financial decision. So they move on
Speaker 1: from Karl Anthony Towns. They're bringing Julius Randall. And if
Speaker 1: you're a Jazz fan, that's awesome because Randall is like
Speaker 1: Westbrook to me. You can have him. If you want
Speaker 1: to be in the Julius Randall business, you can have him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think Minnesota has kind of come
Speaker 1: back down to earth. But just to revisit it real quick,
Speaker 1: Minnesota gets Gobert, the Jazz received Malik Beasley played here
Speaker 1: for a minute and then it was ultimately traded. At
Speaker 1: the time, I believe I was the Lakers. I think
Speaker 1: he's in Detroit now. Patrick Beverly never played here. Leandro
Speaker 1: Bamarro not really sure what the deal is with that dude.
Speaker 1: The Jazz did get Walker Kestler, who's really good and
Speaker 1: really young. That was a value piece of that trade
Speaker 1: because Walker was the number twenty two pick in the
Speaker 1: draft by Minnesota Jared Vander who's now a Laker. So
Speaker 1: the one player they received was Walker Kessler. So they
Speaker 1: get a twenty three first round pick already been used.
Speaker 1: They get a twenty five first round pick that will
Speaker 1: potentially be used coming up this year, because I don't
Speaker 1: do not think the Calves are going to come back
Speaker 1: down to earth to the point where Minnesota's pick will
Speaker 1: be the pick that goes to Phoenix. So I would
Speaker 1: imagine the Jazz are going to have that Minnesota pick
Speaker 1: this year. They get a twenty six pickswap. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's going to be used. I would be surprised.
Speaker 1: A twenty seven first round pick, a twenty nine first
Speaker 1: round pick, so four first round picks, one pick swap,
Speaker 1: and Walker Kessler for Rudy Gobert. So but at this
Speaker 1: point you can really analyze it as simply go Bear
Speaker 1: versus Kessler, right until we know what the draft capital
Speaker 1: turns into, until we know exactly what the Jazz have
Speaker 1: been able to do with the pieces they.
Speaker 2: Receive for Rudy. This is still a very incomplete trade.
Speaker 1: The trade they just made with the Phoenix Suns has
Speaker 1: been celebrated by a lot of nerds online that analyze
Speaker 1: these things, but we still don't know what that's going
Speaker 1: to look like. You sent three first round picks, all
Speaker 1: three of them most likely in the late first round,
Speaker 1: to Phoenix in exchange for a wild card in exchange
Speaker 1: for a twenty thirty one unprotected pick from the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 1: We will not know what that deal breeds until twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one. Maybe the Jazz are the cousin that drives
Speaker 1: up to Idaho and buys a lottery ticket and comes
Speaker 1: home and they they're rich all of a sudden because
Speaker 1: they win the lottery. But we won't know that, right
Speaker 1: And So, when you think about the roster construction process
Speaker 1: in pro basketball as it pertains to the type of
Speaker 1: market that the Jazz exists in, what gives you hope
Speaker 1: that the Jazz at some point could finally get this
Speaker 1: thing done after fifty plus years of basketball and no titles.
Speaker 1: I always point to the Spurs dynasty that essentially started
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine when the Spurs beat the Knicks.
Speaker 1: They had David Robinson and Tim Duncan on that team.
Speaker 1: Duncan was I think in his second year and David
Speaker 1: Robinson was at the end of his career, and it
Speaker 1: was a number of years, well it was only three
Speaker 1: years actually until they were able to win another one.
Speaker 1: The Lakers with Kobe and Shack were able to get
Speaker 1: their three titles between in two thousand and two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. Spurs went in two thousand and three, they
Speaker 1: went again in two thousand and five, they went again
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, and it even extended all
Speaker 1: the way to twenty fourteen when San Antonio beat Miami
Speaker 1: with Lebron James four to one. So because san Antonio
Speaker 1: was able to build a team that was not just
Speaker 1: able to win a championship or two, but truly was
Speaker 1: a dynasty for a number of different years.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I've always kind of looked at them as the
Speaker 1: benchmark for why I still believe it is possible for
Speaker 1: the Jazz to do the same thing, because we can't
Speaker 1: look at Miami when Lebron and d Wade and Bosh
Speaker 1: just decided to team up. We can't look at Los
Speaker 1: Angeles because the NBA players want to live in La
Speaker 1: you know, even you know past Honasty's, the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors with Stephen Curry. I mean there there are actually
Speaker 1: more things that we can be analogous with with the
Speaker 1: Jazz and Golden State that meets the eye, because Golden
Speaker 1: State did draft, develop, and retain and then they were
Speaker 1: able to add pieces around Steph Clay and Draymond. But
Speaker 1: all three of those guys were drafted by Golden State,
Speaker 1: they were developed by Golden State, and they were retained
Speaker 1: by Golden State.
Speaker 2: But only after those three started to show.
Speaker 1: Some special things did a former All Star like Andrea
Speaker 1: Wwoodala want to come play for Steve Kerr and Golden State.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there are some things that we
Speaker 1: can draw parallels to. But san Antonio, starting in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine going through twenty fourteen, with essentially fifteen sixteen
Speaker 1: years of top shelf basketball's always been the blueprint for me.
Speaker 2: Say yes, if you can do it there, you can
Speaker 2: do it here.
Speaker 1: All due respect to san Antonio, it's not the spot
Speaker 1: if you've ever been there. A Salt Lake City, at
Speaker 1: least in my opinion's a better city. And then recently
Speaker 1: we have some other examples. So yes, I am reaching
Speaker 1: here and stretching here to try to give Jazz fans
Speaker 1: a little hope because the current iteration under this new
Speaker 1: ownership group has not provided much hope at all. And
Speaker 1: recently there are other examples that we can lead in. Okay,
Speaker 1: So two years ago, the Denver Nuggets, by the way,
Speaker 1: they were your cousin who drove up to Iado to
Speaker 1: get the lottery ticket and then came back down to
Speaker 1: Salt Lake and watching powerball boom. They win the lottery.
Speaker 1: It came in the form of the forty third pick
Speaker 1: in the draft, where they received Nicola Jokic, who has
Speaker 1: been the best player in pro basketball quite frankly for
Speaker 1: six seven years and when he is done who he
Speaker 1: will be known as the best player of this generation.
Speaker 1: And he's having another phenomenal year. I think Shay's the MVP,
Speaker 1: but Jokich is right there. And so that's a blueprint
Speaker 1: you can look at because Denver is not a city
Speaker 1: that's all that bigger than Utah and excuse me, Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: and it's not a city that's a destination, and it
Speaker 1: is a city that needs a little bit of luck,
Speaker 1: just like we do here. The other example I'll lean
Speaker 1: into is the Milwaukee Bucks in twenty twenty one. Now
Speaker 1: it's very easy for me to say, do what Denver did,
Speaker 1: do what Milwaukee did. But that's where the golden ticket
Speaker 1: has to come into play, because just like Denver won
Speaker 1: the lottery with Jokic, Milwaukee won the lottery with the
Speaker 1: honest And still every time I lock into a Bucks
Speaker 1: game and Gianna says the honest thing, I still believe
Speaker 1: they're gonna have something to say when it comes to
Speaker 1: winning a championship. You could be a little bit analogous
Speaker 1: with the Toronto Raptors title back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: but they won that title with Masaiyu Jerry being able
Speaker 1: to negotiate a deal that was a rental for Kawi
Speaker 1: for one year, and that was Pete Kawai. At the time,
Speaker 1: he was probably a top five player in pro basketball.
Speaker 1: But the other examples, I mean, look, you can't really
Speaker 1: use the Celtics. We already talked about the Nuggets. Then
Speaker 1: there's the Lakers, there's the Warriors, there's Miami. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple of different times the MAVs had one title
Speaker 1: when Dirk went peaked Dirk and they beat to Miami
Speaker 1: Heat as well. It's tough to look at most of
Speaker 1: the examples and say, Okay, they did it this way,
Speaker 1: and the Jazz can probably do it that way as well.
Speaker 1: But there are some examples, certainly in the past, and
Speaker 1: the NBA is different now. But that San Antonio, you know,
Speaker 1: that peak San Antonio fifteen year run. And then the
Speaker 1: international guys that don't seem to move teams as much
Speaker 1: as the domestic guys do. Know. I get pushed back
Speaker 1: when I say that, but it's just the data that
Speaker 1: we have. If Dallas gets one with Luca, there's another one.
Speaker 1: Dallas is a big market. I think they're number six,
Speaker 1: So it's not as clean of a parallel as it
Speaker 1: is between Salt Lake and Denver, or Salt Lake and Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: and of course saw Lake and San Antonio.
Speaker 2: But it's tough right now.
Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of fans just want
Speaker 1: to go to a game, and that's why Jazz fans
Speaker 1: continue to show up, and maybe you learn a little
Speaker 1: something about Isaiah Calier and Walker Kessler and some of
Speaker 1: these young players. But the road between where the Jazz
Speaker 1: are now and where a team like Oklahoma City is
Speaker 1: is a marathon, and I can't even sit here and
Speaker 1: say they're two three years away from being back in
Speaker 1: the mix. It feels like it's more more than that.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's four or five six. Are you
Speaker 1: willing to be patient with that process? The only time
Speaker 1: will tell I misspoke, and one of my NBA nerd
Speaker 1: friends let me know, So let me clear this up,
Speaker 1: because I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure everybody was so upset.
Speaker 1: San Antonio won the championship in twenty fourteen over Miami,
Speaker 1: but the year before Miami them so my bad.
Speaker 2: All right, so hopefully everybody's day is fine.
Speaker 1: We were talking about kind of markets where you can
Speaker 1: be analogous with roster construction, and they've won championships with
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, San Antonio small market, Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: small market. Our next guest is not a small market talent,
Speaker 1: but he does work here. His name is Andy Larson.
Speaker 1: On a Thursday. Andy, Happy Thursday, buddy.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm good man, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I started the show today,
Speaker 1: just talking about some roster construction stuff, and you know
Speaker 1: the recent examples of Denver with Jokic and Milwaukee with Giannis,
Speaker 1: and then of course the San Antonio dynasty. Just trying
Speaker 1: to because look, it's a rough scene and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to break down the recent Drew you Banks minutes, like,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to figure out how we can give
Speaker 1: this fan base some hope that may be a championship
Speaker 1: is in the future. And of course a lot of
Speaker 1: this is, you know, the context is a lot of luck.
Speaker 1: It's Jokic in the second round, it's Giannis in the
Speaker 1: mid f it's that great team with Duncan, and you
Speaker 1: need luck and the Jazz haven't had it.
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts on that for the fan
Speaker 2: base out here.
Speaker 1: Like can we ever win a championship and some of
Speaker 1: examples that we could be a little bit analogous with, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Think it's possible, and I think you're right. So like
Speaker 6: San Antonio is a reasonable complict. They are similar size
Speaker 6: cities and similar front offices. You know, like Greg Popovich
Speaker 6: and Archie Buford were really clear that they built that
Speaker 6: first version of the Spurs kind of on the model
Speaker 6: of what the Utah Jazz could be in in the.
Speaker 7: Late nineties and.
Speaker 6: Kind of a small market team that works hard that
Speaker 6: kind of builds a roster together, and you know, the
Speaker 6: Spurs want a championship and the Jazz didn't, but I
Speaker 6: certainly don't think it's impossible.
Speaker 7: For the Jazz too.
Speaker 6: And he fast forward even to today where you know
Speaker 6: Dier and Fox wants probably out of Sacramento, is looking
Speaker 6: for his next home, and the San Antonio Spurs look
Speaker 6: like an attractive destination for him to him because they
Speaker 6: have Victor and women Yama, and he can imagine playing
Speaker 6: with one of the league's best talents for.
Speaker 7: The next five years.
Speaker 6: Right, So I think it does all start with the draft.
Speaker 6: But if you are able to nail that, and you
Speaker 6: are able to get really, really really good talent in
Speaker 6: the drafts, then yeah, everything can come together and you
Speaker 6: can actually win titles.
Speaker 1: And I was driving the parallel between the NFL teams
Speaker 1: that are left standing and what they've done to kind
Speaker 1: of build, because you know, Philly on paper has superior
Speaker 1: talent to Kansas City. Kansas City has fifteen under center
Speaker 1: and they have Andy Reid. And ultimately, building a roster
Speaker 1: in pro basketball is a little bit different than it
Speaker 1: is in Pro football, but the Pillars remain the same
Speaker 1: and it's ownership front office. Now, you have to have
Speaker 1: talent obviously, and of course you want a guy that
Speaker 1: can coach.
Speaker 2: I think the Jazz have that guy that can coach
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I think we all believe if Will has really really
Speaker 1: good talent at some point, well we'll see him maximize
Speaker 1: good Town. We've seen him maximize mediocre talent. So I
Speaker 1: think we all believe they have the right guy on
Speaker 1: the bench. But do they have the right guy in charge?
Speaker 1: They have the right guy as far as the ownership group,
Speaker 1: do they have the right guy in the front office.
Speaker 2: I think that's very much still a question mark Andy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, I think so a couple of questions. Yeah,
Speaker 6: does does Danny Ainge draft well? I think is a question.
Speaker 6: You know, clearly his draft picks worked out for the
Speaker 6: Boston Celtics, you know, but they're also a number of
Speaker 6: question marks with him kind of later on in the
Speaker 6: draft and then frankly with the Jets. The sixth picks
Speaker 6: that Danny Ainge has made over the last two years
Speaker 6: have not been you know, successful picks. I think it's
Speaker 6: fair to say, you know, and those guys are still
Speaker 6: young and can develop, but have not set the world
Speaker 6: on fire in their first first year or two. And
Speaker 6: then yeah, ownership, you know, I think Ryan Smith impressed
Speaker 6: me by, you know, paying the luxury tax in the
Speaker 6: first year, but he's obviously the branding stuff, both with
Speaker 6: the hockey club and the Jazz have been big missteps.
Speaker 6: I think it's fair to question, you know, a variety
Speaker 6: of other moves. I also think that in the NBA,
Speaker 6: if you have the player and coach, it kind of
Speaker 6: doesn't matter. And I look across the Rocky Mountains of
Speaker 6: the Denver Nuggets, where the crankies are known as really
Speaker 6: cheap owners and are not putting together a terrific front
Speaker 6: office there in Denver. You know, they're they're not a
Speaker 6: highly regarded front office or a highly regarded ownership group.
Speaker 6: But still because they had Nikolay Jokic, and because they
Speaker 6: put together good players around them who played their best basketball,
Speaker 6: and then I think Michael Malone's a really, really good coach. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they were able to win a title and and so
Speaker 6: you know, you just kind of us like the right
Speaker 6: intersection of things to come together at the right time
Speaker 6: in order for it to work out. But I don't
Speaker 6: think that like this ownership group is going to prevent
Speaker 6: the Jazz from winning a title or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear because I said, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the front office, to have the red
Speaker 1: guys in charge, and you know, Danny's track record speaks
Speaker 1: for itself. I'm not necessarily concerned about whether or not
Speaker 1: Danny's good at his job. I just wonder how present
Speaker 1: he is. I just wonder how involved he is. We
Speaker 1: see him in a lot of college games, and he
Speaker 1: does some media here or there. And I don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna meet anybody around pro basketball that doesn't really
Speaker 1: respect Justin and I certainly do as well. But to
Speaker 1: your point, when you have the talent, when you have
Speaker 1: the coaching, that seems to be you know, some things
Speaker 1: that can maybe cover up certain issues with the ownership
Speaker 1: group or the front office. And I anecdotally I shared
Speaker 1: this earlier. You know, when I was in college, a
Speaker 1: professor of mine gave us all an assignment to go
Speaker 1: interview somebody who's doing something currently that we think would
Speaker 1: be cool to do at some point. And I sat
Speaker 1: down with Scott Laiden, who was the GM of the
Speaker 1: Jazz at the time, and one of the questions we
Speaker 1: were supposed to ask them, is who are the most
Speaker 1: important people in the organization? Who's the most important? Who
Speaker 1: are the most important people in your business?
Speaker 2: And why?
Speaker 1: And when I asked Scott that, I thought he was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Larry Larry Miller, thought he was gonna say.
Speaker 2: He didn't even blink. He said, it's.
Speaker 1: John Stockton and Carmelone like period, end of story. Two
Speaker 1: most important. Uh, you know, the two most important people,
Speaker 1: not players, two most important people in the organization. So
Speaker 1: maybe it is just a matter of when you find
Speaker 1: those unicorns. You know, Denver is your cousin that drove
Speaker 1: up to Idaho to get the lottery ticket and they
Speaker 1: won the lottery with Yo Kitchen the second round, and
Speaker 1: Milwaukee did it did it with Jannisman first round.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what this is. Maybe that's all it is,
Speaker 2: and we're just overthinking it.
Speaker 6: I kind of think so yeah, and like not that everybody,
Speaker 6: like everybody does matter, right, Like we saw the last
Speaker 6: iteration of the Jazz kind of failed to put a
Speaker 6: good enough core around Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Goobert, who also,
Speaker 6: you know, just weren't top five players. We also saw that,
Speaker 6: you know, the previous group before them failed to put
Speaker 6: a good enough group around John Stockton and Carmelone, right, Like,
Speaker 6: that's ultimately why the Stoking Malone team didn't win the title.
Speaker 6: On an office does matter, but you're right, like, in
Speaker 6: the end, it's probably the quality of star players that
Speaker 6: you have. And you know, I think that's why a
Speaker 6: little bit what the Jazz are doing with the tanking
Speaker 6: makes some sense, because Cooper Flag does look like a
Speaker 6: really top number one prospect, and if you do have
Speaker 6: every chance to go get him, even if that chance
Speaker 6: is only a fourteen percent chance, which it is, I
Speaker 6: think you have to open your organization to that possibility
Speaker 6: because you know, frankly, without him or without that caliber player,
Speaker 6: or you're not really going.
Speaker 1: Anywhere all Right to the current situation where we find
Speaker 1: ourselves with the Jazz, Let's start with, and I don't
Speaker 1: know who to credit here, but about two weeks ago
Speaker 1: I saw something where it's like, yeah, Sacramento's in on
Speaker 1: John Collins, and maybe that's something that comes down and
Speaker 1: goes through. You've got some intel here, So you talked
Speaker 1: to John about it and what so tell us what
Speaker 1: John had to say when you downed this to him
Speaker 1: and what you're understanding about A whether or not they
Speaker 1: were close to making this deal, and B whether or
Speaker 1: not it's still on the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: James sam who's one of the best beat writers in Sacramento,
Speaker 6: reported that the Kings had come gotten to final talks
Speaker 6: in a trade conversation with the Jazz about John Collins,
Speaker 6: and in particular, they were gonna send Kevin Herder, Trey Lyles,
Speaker 6: a first round pick and a second round pick to
Speaker 6: the Jazz for John Collins. Brett Siegel, you know, presented
Speaker 6: that package. He's the reporter who did that. But everyone
Speaker 6: agrees those were kind of basically the terms of the deal.
Speaker 6: And then for whatever reason, those final contract negotiations that
Speaker 6: either fell apart or put on ice. Apparently, James ham
Speaker 6: says again the King's reporter says that they had even
Speaker 6: told the players that John Collins was coming to Sacramento,
Speaker 6: which is pretty wild, right, Like you you rarely hear
Speaker 6: of a team telling a group of players that this
Speaker 6: trade is going to be done if it's not done yet, right.
Speaker 6: So I went to John Collins today at shoot around
Speaker 6: and just asked him about that, frankly, and said, hey,
Speaker 6: you did you.
Speaker 7: Know about that? And he he didn't.
Speaker 6: You know, it was pretty clear he was honestly, he
Speaker 6: asked me to repeat it twice, like he had not
Speaker 6: heard about this potential trade to Sacramento. He had seen
Speaker 6: like the rumors that hey, maybe the Kings might be interested,
Speaker 6: along with a couple of other teams, but he hadn't
Speaker 6: heard those rumors. So I thought that that was interesting.
Speaker 6: And then, you know, but he said, look, he's also
Speaker 6: not playing right now because he's on the trade market
Speaker 6: and because the Jazz were tanking, and and he you know,
Speaker 6: I think his trade in some ways does make sense
Speaker 6: to him. And he's kind of in this Catch twenty
Speaker 6: two where I think he likes Utah and he likes
Speaker 6: the situation.
Speaker 7: He likes his teammates, but.
Speaker 6: You know, he likes Will Hardy, so on and so forth,
Speaker 6: but I you know, would prefer to play basketball. And
Speaker 6: it has been kind of a frustrating year for him.
Speaker 6: So you know, he's trying to be a pro and
Speaker 6: is a really I think, a great guy to talk to,
Speaker 6: is really friendly.
Speaker 7: With the media.
Speaker 6: It's just a tough situation and he knows. You know, look,
Speaker 6: we're a week away from the trade deadline. The Kings
Speaker 6: are clearly very interested, and that could still happen with
Speaker 6: the Deer and Fox Steel. But from his point of view,
Speaker 6: he's he's right in and out for the next week
Speaker 6: and trying to stay focus on what he can control,
Speaker 6: which is obviously not these trade rumors.
Speaker 1: Did you say Kevin Herder Trey Lyles a first and
Speaker 1: a second?
Speaker 2: Did I hear that right?
Speaker 6: That's what Brett Siegel reported at Clutch Points.
Speaker 2: Feels like a lot for John Collins question mark.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yet, so like Kevin Herder has had a
Speaker 6: really bad season, and so the Kings are kind of
Speaker 6: have been willing to put him, you know, they've benched him,
Speaker 6: They've been willing to put him into trade conversations because
Speaker 6: he does have a relatively big contract and he's only
Speaker 6: shooting thirty percent from three this year. So where I
Speaker 6: would have considered before this season Kevin heard it to
Speaker 6: be a real plus. They no longer think of him
Speaker 6: that way. I kind of would buy glow on him
Speaker 6: and see, you know, what he could bring to the Jazz.
Speaker 6: You know, I would be kind of excited about that move.
Speaker 7: Even just one to one.
Speaker 6: But it looks like, yeah, Kevin Herder plus Ray Lyles
Speaker 6: plus a pick was the offer reported. And again I've
Speaker 6: heard that kind of package from not just not just Siegel,
Speaker 6: not just the Clutch Points guy, but from from other
Speaker 6: sources as well.
Speaker 1: Any other rumors out there about potential moves. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I said this to you a week ago.
Speaker 1: It's hard to know. I mean, I know the guys
Speaker 1: I trust, and I go to their individual websites or
Speaker 1: I go to their individual socials, but I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, My Twitter algorithm is so messed up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll just get a random trade rumor or a link,
Speaker 1: and I always click on it, and they always talk
Speaker 1: about the Jazz. And we're hearing Colin Sexton, We're hearing
Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson. So what are you hearing as far as
Speaker 1: other potential moves that the Jazz could make prior to
Speaker 1: the deadline.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I'm not hearing anything specific other than
Speaker 6: the columns to Sacramento king stuff about individual players to
Speaker 6: individual teams, you know, Like I'm with you, I'm reading
Speaker 6: those reports. By the way, Like the website, hoops type
Speaker 6: is really useful, and gms and executives around the league
Speaker 6: also use hoop type to kind of get to kind
Speaker 6: of combine and compile these rumors all in one place.
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, so like I think there is
Speaker 6: league wide interest in Colin Sexton, or I guess not
Speaker 6: league wide, but there are some teams interested in acquiring
Speaker 6: him as a scoring guard. Jordan Clarkson is less attractive,
Speaker 6: I think, just because he's been playing less well on
Speaker 6: the court.
Speaker 7: And you know, there are even like some.
Speaker 6: Drew Eubanks mentioned out there, which is kind of interesting
Speaker 6: as like a potential backup center for a.
Speaker 7: Team that may need them.
Speaker 6: I don't know that the Jazz are going to get
Speaker 6: a lot in those trade conversations for some of those
Speaker 6: other guys, but it is interesting that there does seem
Speaker 6: to be those names floating around the markets as potential
Speaker 6: answers for some of these teams.
Speaker 1: So oftentimes, and I you know, tongue in cheek about
Speaker 1: the Drew u Banks minutes earlier. I mean, Drew U
Speaker 1: Banks is a good backup center. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't have value, but there are times where
Speaker 1: I'll see rotational decisions and just kind of roll my eyes, like,
Speaker 1: all right, there's nothing there but the keyante George coming
Speaker 1: off the bench. Decision is not nothing, because I've talked
Speaker 1: to you about this, most of our national NBIA guys
Speaker 1: about this too. At some point you got to figure
Speaker 1: out who he is. At some point, you got to
Speaker 1: figure out whether or not he's part of the future plans.
Speaker 1: At some point you have to figure out whether or
Speaker 1: not he has a role for a team that actually
Speaker 1: is trying to win. And my analysis of him on
Speaker 1: a good team is that he is a scoring combo
Speaker 1: guard off the bench. Now, the Jazz have one in
Speaker 1: Colin Sexton, they have one in Jordan Clarkson.
Speaker 2: There's some redundancy on the roster, but what.
Speaker 1: Do you perceive the goal is with Will now bringing
Speaker 1: Key off the bench and starting Isaiah Callier.
Speaker 6: The goal is, and we asked Will about this in
Speaker 6: press conferences in otherwise, the goal is to get Kiante
Speaker 6: to play defense, you know, straight up, like, uh, we
Speaker 6: as much as it could be cool to, you know,
Speaker 6: ellivate Isaiah Collier and you know he's playing kind of
Speaker 6: pass first basketball. The goal is to give Kiante a
Speaker 6: little bit of a wake up call, like, hey, what
Speaker 6: you're doing right now isn't enough, and uh he simply
Speaker 6: has to try more on the defensive end or else.
Speaker 6: He is not an NBA player. He is the worst
Speaker 6: defender on the worst defense in basketball. I guess now
Speaker 6: that Jabs are the second worst defense in basketball. Progress
Speaker 6: Uh it is, it's and then also, you know, and
Speaker 6: if you can maybe get away with that if you're
Speaker 6: a seller offensive player and he's shooting thirty eight from
Speaker 6: the field thirty percent from.
Speaker 7: The field on offense. So like it's just meant to.
Speaker 6: Be a wake up call to Kiance George, you have
Speaker 6: to play defense. You have to start trying more on
Speaker 6: that end. I've seen him try a little bit more
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 7: Game since the benching.
Speaker 6: The problem is, he told us the other day he's
Speaker 6: never had a coach before will Hardy get on him
Speaker 6: about his defensive play before. And that's wild to me, Like, how,
Speaker 6: you know, how have you gone through twenty years of
Speaker 6: coaching before having.
Speaker 7: This happen to you?
Speaker 6: But heck in an AAU world where he's like a
Speaker 6: top recruit and known for his scoring and shooting crowds,
Speaker 6: I also kind of understand how that might have happened.
Speaker 6: And so this is a new world for Kyant and
Speaker 6: I think like even when he tries he's still not
Speaker 6: good on that end, but it's got to.
Speaker 7: Start with effort. I think that's what the Jazz are hoping.
Speaker 6: For by moving him to the benches, is to see
Speaker 6: more of that effort and to see his focus change
Speaker 6: so that you know, it's it's not about whether or
Speaker 6: not he looks at a game as a success based
Speaker 6: on how many points.
Speaker 7: He has, but on what he does on both ends
Speaker 7: of the floor.
Speaker 1: Probably because he came up in AAU, he was never
Speaker 1: coached to play defense, but Scott Drewid Baylor is thought
Speaker 1: to be a defensive minded coach. That that is a
Speaker 1: pretty stunnied admission, not gonna lie.
Speaker 6: Agreed, and I was. I was surprised at that too.
Speaker 6: It's like, not even at the college level. And you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't go back and forth with Keante on that,
Speaker 6: but he said, that's the first time in his life
Speaker 6: that a coach has been on him about his defense.
Speaker 6: And again, that's surprising to me. It wasn't surprising when
Speaker 6: I when I told well Hardy about that to him,
Speaker 6: just because like you know, a we see it on
Speaker 6: the floor and be that's like, that is.
Speaker 7: The environment where guys kind of are in right now.
Speaker 6: Where coaches are afraid teams are gonna guys, you know,
Speaker 6: really talented players are going to transfer AU programs or
Speaker 6: transfer colleges. Like there is kind of this reluctance right
Speaker 6: now to coach, and it's think, you know, there are
Speaker 6: some really good young players who try really hard on
Speaker 6: the defensive ends. But for some players, and I give
Speaker 6: Idea Callier Frankly a lot of credit there where he
Speaker 6: was the number one high school recruit and clearly is
Speaker 6: giving a better effort on defense than Kyante.
Speaker 7: So you know, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think all the kids are are screwed necessarily or anything,
Speaker 6: but in Kyante's case, it's just got to be so
Speaker 6: so so much better.
Speaker 1: All Right, Minnesota is in town tonight, and that always
Speaker 1: gives us the ability to look back on the Rudi
Speaker 1: Goobert deal and the Rudy Gobert trade and analyze where
Speaker 1: we're at with it today now.
Speaker 2: When the deal was made, I.
Speaker 1: Felt like I was the only one that was like, look,
Speaker 1: we'll see I mean on paper, yes, was it a lot,
Speaker 1: Sure it was a lot, but only time will tell.
Speaker 1: The player they received was Walker, and Walker's really good,
Speaker 1: and it's really exciting to see what he's done this
Speaker 1: year and potentially analyze what he could be if he
Speaker 1: keeps working and stays healthy. The pick that they've viewed
Speaker 1: so far was Kiante very very much still out. All
Speaker 1: the other players they received in that deal, no longer
Speaker 1: on the team. In two years in Minnesota, Rudy more
Speaker 1: or less has done more or less what he did here.
Speaker 1: Maybe outside of those two three year you know, real
Speaker 1: peak go bear years Minnesota, I thought, you know, last
Speaker 1: couple of years, maybe one of the teams in the
Speaker 1: West that may have a shot. They made a financial
Speaker 1: move because their ownership situation is in flux, get rid
Speaker 1: of Karl Anthony Towns. But as we sit here today,
Speaker 1: looking back on the deal a number of years ago,
Speaker 1: what's the Andy Larson take.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I still think we're in that kind
Speaker 6: of same position where the most valuable picks are still
Speaker 6: to come. Walker Kessler is still a very good piece.
Speaker 6: I'd still rather be on the Jazz side of the deal,
Speaker 6: kind of in a vacuum the Jazz. I think the
Speaker 6: Jazz hoped when they made that trade that they would
Speaker 6: have a short rebuild right like that, rather than draft
Speaker 6: all of those players with all those picks they would
Speaker 6: be able to trade them for a star moving forward,
Speaker 6: and that clearly not happened, and that goal has been delayed,
Speaker 6: if not abandoned. Right like that, let's start there. But
Speaker 6: what happens with the other picks really matters. And you know,
Speaker 6: I think the Timberwolves are probably less good than they
Speaker 6: hope that they would be after the trade, right Like, Look,
Speaker 6: they're what two or three games.
Speaker 7: Above five hundred right now, and.
Speaker 6: I do think you've seen significant slippage this year from
Speaker 6: Mike Conley and Rudy Gobert, and you know, Joe Ingles
Speaker 6: is not an NBA player anymore. And yeah, as a result,
Speaker 6: like you know, if I'm betting over the next heck,
Speaker 6: just over the next five years, which player I'd rather
Speaker 6: have on my team, I'm probably taking Walker Kessler over
Speaker 6: Rudy Gobert, just because of how old they are and
Speaker 6: what happens to players as their age curve advances. So ultimately, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm still kind of taking the Jazz's end of the deal,
Speaker 6: and as in the value.
Speaker 7: Proposition, and it's up to the Jazz to make the best.
Speaker 6: Of those picks that they do have from Minnesota leftover,
Speaker 6: So all right.
Speaker 1: Away from the Jazz. We have some breaking news. We
Speaker 1: will not play our cheesy breaking news sounders. But according
Speaker 1: to the Utah Hockey Club, you just came down three
Speaker 1: minutes ago. I'll just read the tweet. Hey, Utah Hockey fans,
Speaker 1: we listened to your feedback and dug in all the
Speaker 1: qual tricks data from last night's survey. No, they didn't
Speaker 1: for the team name. It's clear that the Outlaws should
Speaker 1: be in the mix instead of Wassatch, so we're swapping
Speaker 1: it out. The surveys will continue at the reen on Friday. No,
Speaker 1: they won't Sunday and Tuesday. Liar for you to vote, No,
Speaker 1: you won't for the options which are now Utah Mammoth,
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club and the Utah Outlaws.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to this whole cluster?
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 7: I'm I mean, that's a good change.
Speaker 6: Look, I was really frustrated yesterday with.
Speaker 7: Them with the PR.
Speaker 6: Side of it, right Like, I had a really frink
Speaker 6: conversation with someone from SEGPR yesterday and the hallway of
Speaker 6: the Delta Center, and we went back and forth pretty well.
Speaker 6: I tweeted what I tweeted. Look, I do not the
Speaker 6: whole wash. That thing was a bad idea, and it's
Speaker 6: like it's a good idea. It's good thing that they've
Speaker 6: replaced it without laws. I think that they have replaced
Speaker 6: it without laws makes it make sense, makes it uh,
Speaker 6: makes it more fans centric than it was before. Clearly
Speaker 6: that in my brain, Like when I scrolled through Twitter,
Speaker 6: was kind of the second most favored of the of
Speaker 6: the team names that I had seen, And I think
Speaker 6: that that makes it a real contest again, right, Like
Speaker 6: I thought what they had set up yesterday was fake
Speaker 6: and was yeah pointing towards Mammos, because your choices are
Speaker 6: between a team without a name, a team that a
Speaker 6: team named that sug had inventioned that nobody wanted, and
Speaker 6: the Utah Mammoths. And now, okay, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: you've got a second real option there. So I'm exceeded
Speaker 6: to see what happens there. I guess the other thing
Speaker 6: I would say there is that probably means they got
Speaker 6: the heads up from their lawyers that they could confidence
Speaker 6: trademark outlaws, and that's a good thing. So wild the
Speaker 6: process has been convoluted, and I disagree with the idea
Speaker 6: that the SEG is unique in its connection with fans
Speaker 6: in the history of professional sports or whatever they put
Speaker 6: in the press release last night.
Speaker 7: This change is good.
Speaker 1: No that you pointed it out, because the last paragraph
Speaker 1: in the press release ruled.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who wrote this, Abraham Hicks, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to read it.
Speaker 1: The commitment SEG has to involve the fans in the
Speaker 1: community in the naming process is unique in the history
Speaker 1: of professional sports. SEG said they're on track to announce
Speaker 1: the permitted team name before the start of the twenty
Speaker 1: five twenty six NHL season. That's not even unique to Utah,
Speaker 1: let alone all the professional sports.
Speaker 2: Like that is a wild assertion.
Speaker 6: Look, I pointed that out on Twitter yesterday and they said,
Speaker 6: that's not remarkably false.
Speaker 7: That's that's our opinion. And it's like, I just wish
Speaker 7: you well. So many of the people over.
Speaker 6: There come from a tech background, right where everything is
Speaker 6: the way the success in tech is through selling high dreams,
Speaker 6: regardless of whether or not you're making money, regardless of
Speaker 6: whether or not you're kind of doing well in real
Speaker 6: world terms, and there is so much of that attitude
Speaker 6: that that permeates SEG. I think in general, I thought
Speaker 6: that paragraph was an example of that. I think how
Speaker 6: this naming process a little bit has been an example
Speaker 6: of that. And you know, again in a lot of
Speaker 6: other different ways. That being said, you know, credit when
Speaker 6: credit is due. This swap today that you just told
Speaker 6: me about I didn't know about is a good thing.
Speaker 2: I love. They said, that's their opinion.
Speaker 1: That reeks of Kelly and Conway talking about alternative facts.
Speaker 2: But anyway, do you have it?
Speaker 1: Do you have a preferred name that you'd like to
Speaker 1: see when this when this thing comes to a close.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know now that it is mammoth verus Outlaws,
Speaker 6: I'm not thought about it. I probably go outlaws then.
Speaker 6: I like, uh, I like the alliteration there. I like
Speaker 6: the I like that it's kind of real to Utah
Speaker 6: history and like a very neat way. Yeah, I think
Speaker 6: you know, off the top of my head, on two's
Speaker 6: outlaws of those three, give.
Speaker 1: Me one reason why you're optimistic about the lads this year?
Speaker 3: Do I have to?
Speaker 6: I mean, I just give me one if.
Speaker 2: There's got to be one, Andy.
Speaker 6: Okay, the midfield is still awesome, right like yeah, like
Speaker 6: Oheita and Anelli and public reads coming back to school,
Speaker 6: milm Placio has been great. I'm meeting with those guys
Speaker 6: tomorrow for chat about the off season and the season
Speaker 6: to come, and I'm excited to kind of learn what
Speaker 6: I learned in that conversation tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: All Right, buddy, well, appreciate the time. The sun is shining,
Speaker 1: so golf is right around the corner. We got to
Speaker 1: get out when when the snow's gone.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. I need it, all right, Andy Larson,
Speaker 2: Salt Lake Tribune.
Speaker 1: I always appreciate data sign for the latest on the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz and data and such at Andy B. Larson
Speaker 1: is where you find him on social media. All right's
Speaker 1: still a few days away from Super Bowl fifty nine,
Speaker 1: but never about time to talk football. I never know
Speaker 1: where our next guest is. He could be in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: he could be in Germany. He could be golfing, he
Speaker 1: could be grinding on tape. I'll let him tell us,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, where you're at. Not a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 3: Just sitting in the living room on the couch. I'm
Speaker 3: actually building a studio spence, so wow, Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I'm going to be joining the ESPN network of stations
Speaker 3: here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Do you have something?
Speaker 1: Do you have something you'd like to I was going
Speaker 1: to say, do you have something you'd like to announce
Speaker 1: to our audience and quite frankly all of us over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the old Sister station, I guess, I guess
Speaker 3: you'd call it that nine sixty.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing a show in the UH
Speaker 3: in the afternoon from one to two, so on that station.
Speaker 2: Do we have a name? Do we have a name
Speaker 2: in place?
Speaker 3: Scott?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking the Hour of Power or the Power Hour,
Speaker 3: or the Lunch Hour or because it's only an hour,
Speaker 3: and I gotta you know, I got to swing for
Speaker 3: the fences with the hour. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: bring the best, the deepest cuts and takes and just
Speaker 3: fly off the rails for about an hour on the radio.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I like it The Power Hour with Scott Mitchell. Let's
Speaker 1: do the Power Hour with Scott Mitchell.
Speaker 3: I like that. Okay, all right, and you know what, Rail, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you know what, Scott. Just for you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: workshop some things tonight. I'm gonna send you a couple
Speaker 1: of ideas how about we do that.
Speaker 3: I would love that. Okay, yeah, let's do it. Well.
Speaker 1: Very exciting, very exciting, all right, Scott, let's stock a
Speaker 1: little super Bowl. But before we get there, let's sock
Speaker 1: a little. Let's loock a little conference champs conference championship games,
Speaker 1: and then we'll move on. Let's start with Philly and Washington.
Speaker 1: We had you on last week. I thought you did
Speaker 1: a good job of articulating just how exciting your one
Speaker 1: for Commanders fans was.
Speaker 2: With Jayden Daniels under center.
Speaker 1: I thought Philly would win, but I thought it would
Speaker 1: be close, and they smoked them. So takeaways NFC Championship,
Speaker 1: Philly moves on, Washington goes home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And really, it's football is about the trenches, and
Speaker 3: it always is. I mean, you can talk about the
Speaker 3: marquee players and the stars and the superstars, but it's
Speaker 3: the guys up front. And Philadelphia might be the best
Speaker 3: team in the NFL up front right now on offense
Speaker 3: and defense. They had guys injured on their offensive line
Speaker 3: and they were still being very, very effective. And you know,
Speaker 3: on the other side of it, you have no rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback has ever taken their team to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: So it's a tall order, but when I hear stats
Speaker 3: like that, it just tells me it's about time someone did.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of why I picked Washington. And I
Speaker 3: you know, I've just been so impressed with Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 3: But this Philadelphia team, Uh, it's they're gonna be a
Speaker 3: tough out. They're they're really really athletic in the secondary,
Speaker 3: and they've just they've been like glue on on the
Speaker 3: receivers for the teams pretty prolific offenses, and they've they've
Speaker 3: really stepped up their game. And you know, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be interesting to see how well the Chiefs handle that,
Speaker 3: you know, because it might take Patrick Mahomes doing a
Speaker 3: little running magic, and he's done more of that into
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and uh, but it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: tough out. And then you know, sa Kwon Barkley, as
Speaker 3: you know, he's such a talent. And I've heard people say, oh, look,
Speaker 3: you know, the the running back is now pack in
Speaker 3: the NFL, and and I don't. I don't believe that's
Speaker 3: necessarily true. What I believe is what is always the case,
Speaker 3: and that's talent. Talent always finds a way to rise
Speaker 3: to the occasion no matter no matter what position where
Speaker 3: it is. And sa Kuon Barkley is a special talent
Speaker 3: and he's a guy that they figured out how to,
Speaker 3: you know, how to be explosive. And coaches in the
Speaker 3: NFL they don't care like they're just like, wherever I
Speaker 3: can find production, wherever I can move the ball, wherever
Speaker 3: I can have a mismatch, That's where I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: And and they have that ability. And part of it
Speaker 3: is Jalen Hurts is a guy that can run as
Speaker 3: well as throw the football and and so there's just
Speaker 3: an honest factor with him in the game. And you
Speaker 3: kind of saw that where they really played off of
Speaker 3: each other so nicely and so so they're they're gonna
Speaker 3: be tough offensively and and and you know they've been
Speaker 3: there before and and so they're not this moment isn't
Speaker 3: bigger than them for the Eagles. Uh, you know it'll be.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard for Kansas
Speaker 3: City to actually win this game.
Speaker 1: I always roll my eyes when I hear people say, well,
Speaker 1: the running back position is dead or the center position
Speaker 1: is dead in basketball, Like you know, every you know
Speaker 1: for for a long time, everybody's saying, well, if you
Speaker 1: do not have a six seven six ' eight wing,
Speaker 1: dominant wing in pro basketball, you can't win a championship.
Speaker 1: Small players, point guards don't move the needle. And then
Speaker 1: Steph Curry was like, oh yeah, I mean, ultimately, the
Speaker 1: top end talent, you cannot blanket a position by saying
Speaker 1: this position is dead because the top end talent at
Speaker 1: any position, Scott will always move the.
Speaker 2: Needle, running back, right guard, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: If you can have top end talent, then all the
Speaker 1: conversation about a position or group being dead is just dumb.
Speaker 3: No, it really is. It's a great point. I mean,
Speaker 3: these these athletes can't they can't go excuse me for
Speaker 3: being this body type or being this position type. And
Speaker 3: and it just it just how it's just how it
Speaker 3: is in the NFL, and they they just find a
Speaker 3: way that that talent and and I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure the same thing is is the case in the ABIT.
Speaker 3: You know, you think of Michael Jordan coming along, and
Speaker 3: like they've never seen a player like Michael Jordan, and
Speaker 3: now you see a lot of players like that, and
Speaker 3: and and Steph certainly, you know he he kind of
Speaker 3: changed the whole whole dynamic of of how the game's
Speaker 3: played and the position and and you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's really about. I just remember early on in my
Speaker 3: career and Gene Upshaw, who was the president of the
Speaker 3: Players Association, and they were trying to ratify this whole
Speaker 3: idea of free agency, and he just said, there's always
Speaker 3: going to be stars there, and they're just they're they're
Speaker 3: going to come from all different kinds of places and positions,
Speaker 3: but there's always going to be stars. And this league
Speaker 3: ultimately is driven by those stars, wherever they come from.
Speaker 3: And the league knows this. You know, they're going to
Speaker 3: promote the heck out of out of whoever is that
Speaker 3: is that star. And they don't they don't care what
Speaker 3: what position it is. I mean, you look at a
Speaker 3: guy like Taysom Hill undrafted, uh, but just the guy
Speaker 3: has talent and they figured out how to put him
Speaker 3: on the field. And quite frankly, Jalen Hurts, who's in
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, was initially drafted because the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 3: thought he was the next iteration of Taysom Hill. They
Speaker 3: drafted him to be kind of that specialized Swiss Army
Speaker 3: knife guy and lo and behold he actually turns into
Speaker 3: a quarterback. And Taysom Hill didn't you know? So? Uh So,
Speaker 3: the talent is one of those things. You know, Puka Nakua,
Speaker 3: who's one of the top receivers in the NFL. He
Speaker 3: it is because he's good and and and so there
Speaker 3: there's always a place, there's always a position, you know.
Speaker 3: You I think another guy who's done that is Vilichick.
Speaker 3: And you you know, you get some of these, you know,
Speaker 3: Wes Welker's or Julian Edemans, and they go, those guys
Speaker 3: are undersize, they can't play, and they go, no, they can.
Speaker 3: You put them in the middle of the field here
Speaker 3: and let them let their talent shine and they'll get
Speaker 3: open and they'll catch the heck out of the football
Speaker 3: and they'll make your offense so much more explosive and
Speaker 3: dynamic and productive. But it's just it's again, the NFL
Speaker 3: will find whatever nook and cranny, whatever position, whatever uniqueness
Speaker 3: it is, if you can play, you will stay.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Yeah, you know that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1: I just stay tuned one to two on our sister
Speaker 1: station coming soon, The Power Hour.
Speaker 2: Scott Mitchell.
Speaker 1: Since I asked you about Jadeen Daniels last week, let
Speaker 1: me dig into your thoughts on Jalen.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts so Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Last year, only Carolina, Chicago, and New England have fewer
Speaker 1: passing yards per game.
Speaker 2: Jalen was number ten in QBR.
Speaker 1: He's the last ranked quarterback of any qualified quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the postseason in QBR.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, I still really like him.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I'm on an island here, but
Speaker 1: he It's interesting that we have a team in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl where the coach is in question and the
Speaker 1: quarterback is in question, thought to be the two most
Speaker 1: important pieces of pro football. But what do you like
Speaker 1: about Jalen and what bugs you as somebody played that position?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't. I don't like Jalen Hurst. I love him, actually,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why. Here's a guy who went
Speaker 3: to Alabama, leads him to a national championship, goes back
Speaker 3: and gets benched in the national championship game for TUA,
Speaker 3: and then stay, doesn't transfer, doesn't pout, doesn't complain, takes
Speaker 3: his medicine, finishes out, and then goes to uh Oklahoma
Speaker 3: as a grad transfer and really turns it around because
Speaker 3: Jalen was not a good passer. And then he goes
Speaker 3: to the NFL and he goes, as I said earlier,
Speaker 3: as this novelty and then he can you know, he
Speaker 3: kind of converted himself into a guy could actually throw,
Speaker 3: and it to me, it was really remarkable because I
Speaker 3: really did think he was going to be like a
Speaker 3: Taysom Hill, where you know, he couldn't really throw that well.
Speaker 3: And there are people that say maybe he still can't
Speaker 3: do it. But the guys why I love him is
Speaker 3: because he's stuck through all of that stuff. He looked
Speaker 3: at where he was weak and he figured out how
Speaker 3: to make it actually a strength of his and he's
Speaker 3: a winner. He's he's been a winner. He's a guy
Speaker 3: I like these guys that you know have have kind
Speaker 3: of been through some stuff and got a little bit
Speaker 3: of a chip on their shoulder and and he just
Speaker 3: feel like he's kind of that guy that like, don't
Speaker 3: count me out. And and the worst thing you could
Speaker 3: ever do is like tell me that I'm no good,
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna I'm gonna prove you wrong. And and
Speaker 3: that grit and that toughness is part of why this
Speaker 3: team is in the super Bowl and why they're there
Speaker 3: and why they can why they can win it, and he,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got enough around him on I mean
Speaker 3: as a whole football team that you know, he doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be Josh Allen. He doesn't have to be
Speaker 3: the superstar guy by himself. He's you know, he having
Speaker 3: a second fiddle in in uh saquon Is has probably
Speaker 3: been a huge benefit to him. And yeah, I just
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't count out Jalen hurts.
Speaker 1: It all speaking of Josh Allen's go over to the
Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game, and on Friday of last week, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm riding with the Bills. It feels like it's Josh's time.
Speaker 1: But I fully anticipate sitting on my couch on Sunday
Speaker 1: evening going, you idiot, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And that's, uh, that's what happens.
Speaker 1: So your takeaways of Kansas City just doing Kansas City things,
Speaker 1: finding ways to win, and what's your take now on
Speaker 1: yet another exit from Josh Allen and the narrative around
Speaker 1: him moving forward.
Speaker 3: It's a tough one. And it's tough because I mean
Speaker 3: Josh actually played pretty decent. Uh, you know, in the game,
Speaker 3: and but you could just tell that that anchor still
Speaker 3: on his around his neck. You could see when the
Speaker 3: game got closed, or you know, they'd show visions of
Speaker 3: him on the sideline. You know, most most guys are
Speaker 3: like stone face. You know, they don't give you any expression,
Speaker 3: and you can just feel the worry or they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, here this goes again kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And and it kind of impacts your your your ability
Speaker 3: to play because that last drive when they just really
Speaker 3: needed it, whether it was calling plays or what they
Speaker 3: were doing, uh, you know, it just it was kind
Speaker 3: of it was playing kind of small, you know, it's
Speaker 3: almost almost tentative. Uh, you know, Kansas City goes, look,
Speaker 3: we're gonna There were two different plays and two critical situations.
Speaker 3: One where Patrick Mahomes rolls out and actually runs for
Speaker 3: the first down. And then there was another play that's
Speaker 3: really it's a zone and a man concept and and
Speaker 3: that you know, something that that they you know, called
Speaker 3: probably a million times, and he throws the ball to
Speaker 3: the back out of the backfield and it's it's the clincher.
Speaker 3: And and Andy Reid's talked about this and every co
Speaker 3: you know, every play they have these plays, you know,
Speaker 3: for those situations, like you know, unveil your best play
Speaker 3: in that critical situation. And one that's you know, it's
Speaker 3: and instead of well, let's just run our quarterback for
Speaker 3: a quarterback sneak three or four times. And and so
Speaker 3: I just I think in order for Josh Allen to
Speaker 3: get over that hump, there's got to be more play
Speaker 3: to win. You know, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.
Speaker 3: You've got to be more bold and more creative. And
Speaker 3: some of the things they're actually doing and hopefully will
Speaker 3: because he's you know, he's a really good talent, and
Speaker 3: they're a really good team, and they're really close, and
Speaker 3: it's just unfortunate you have to play Andy Reid and
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes at their very best. That's that's hard to
Speaker 3: hard to get over.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, we'll move over now to Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty nine Caesars A super Dome, New Orleans, Louisiana, and
Speaker 1: it's a rematch of a game a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago that felt like Philly was on their way and
Speaker 1: then Kansas City, you know, they did what they do,
Speaker 1: They came back and they wanted to get in. Kansas
Speaker 1: City is a slight favorite. I thought this line would
Speaker 1: move and it hasn't at all. For the for seventy
Speaker 1: two hours. Now it's the Chiefs minus one point five
Speaker 1: the over unders forty nine point five. What you gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, Scott about this game coming up on Sunday
Speaker 1: the ninth.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that slight advantage is just because of
Speaker 3: the experience of Patrick Mahomes and and Andy Reid, and
Speaker 3: they just they just understand. It's almost like they you know,
Speaker 3: they just expect to be there and this is just
Speaker 3: just this normal territory for them. Winning a Super Bowl
Speaker 3: is really hard, and winning a second one is harder,
Speaker 3: probably the hardest thing to do. And and now the
Speaker 3: third one is you know, it's it's kind of house money.
Speaker 3: It's like who cares at this, you know this point.
Speaker 3: So there's there's any pressure on Kansas City extra. I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people are going to make a
Speaker 3: big deal about a free peat because you know, it's
Speaker 3: never been done in football, But I just don't think
Speaker 3: it's really gonna bother them. They both of these teams
Speaker 3: are are pretty complete, you know, on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball, and I just, you know, I just I
Speaker 3: just feel it's going to be a good game. I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone's gonna get blown out of this game.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Eagles are going to be like overwhelmed,
Speaker 3: you know, or intimidated or or anything like that. I
Speaker 3: feel like there's energy and you know, gas still in
Speaker 3: the tank for the Chiefs, because that's an emotional thing
Speaker 3: to go through and win seventeen games in a row,
Speaker 3: not just seventeen, but in a row by one point
Speaker 3: one score or less. That just kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: after a while, gets on your nerve. You think of
Speaker 3: that old gunslinger. You know, he's been in that gunfight
Speaker 3: so many times that now just he just kind of
Speaker 3: has just little trembled to him. Or or you know,
Speaker 3: saving Private Ryan. You know, after a while, it just
Speaker 3: you get the yips, you know, you get you know,
Speaker 3: he just the nerves just they just take over and
Speaker 3: they and it doesn't feel that way for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: They feel like, cool, we got a chance to win.
Speaker 3: We know how to do this at the end of
Speaker 3: the game, and they and they do it, and so
Speaker 3: I just I feel like something in me just says
Speaker 3: this is going to be just a really good football
Speaker 3: game and something that a lot of people will win,
Speaker 3: and I really think it's just going to come down
Speaker 3: to at the end of the game, you know who
Speaker 3: manages the best and who who who can find that
Speaker 3: way to just get that drive, that one drive laid
Speaker 3: in the game that seals the deal. That's what I
Speaker 3: really think, this whole game is going to come down to.
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, before I set you loose, get ready
Speaker 1: the way too early. Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: twelve team CFP projection from Bill Connley of ESPN with
Speaker 1: his sp plus data and out of the Big twelve
Speaker 1: representing the conference. According to Bill Conley, is the University
Speaker 1: of Utah in the twelve team CFP next year. Give
Speaker 1: me a Scott Mitchell hot take on that.
Speaker 3: Well, the covers weren't there, you know, I think it
Speaker 3: felt that way. I mean, it was just a painful season.
Speaker 3: Utah was in every game pretty much, even the Colorado
Speaker 3: game that got away from him. In the end. They
Speaker 3: were they were It was a it was a it
Speaker 3: was a winnable game until you know, they just kind
Speaker 3: of could get nothing going offensively. So you have a defense,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be good. It was really good last year
Speaker 3: it's gonna be as good, if not better again this year.
Speaker 3: And then and then you just add some offense, you know,
Speaker 3: just just find some production offensively. And I really like
Speaker 3: what I really like Jason Beck. I've had a chance
Speaker 3: to talk to him, you know, quite extensively, actually, and
Speaker 3: I like what he's all about is his style, his philosophy,
Speaker 3: and and and coach Whittingham is putting him in a
Speaker 3: position to really implement what he knows, what he believes,
Speaker 3: and he's got his quarterback that he believes. So so
Speaker 3: there's not even though that you have these new players
Speaker 3: coming into the program offensively, they're not new to what's
Speaker 3: going to be going on. So so you're really you're
Speaker 3: not going to have that longer like learning curve that
Speaker 3: you would if you just brought a bunch of athletes
Speaker 3: in off the street and they go, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 3: you know, if you're way ahead when the quarterback knows
Speaker 3: the offense very well, and uh, and then these other
Speaker 3: people can come along and and and there's some players offensively,
Speaker 3: they have some weapons. They're going to play to who
Speaker 3: they are and what their strengths are. And the Utah
Speaker 3: gets any kind of offense. Next year they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: definitely going to be competitive and can win every single
Speaker 3: game they play in next year. So I don't think
Speaker 3: it's that far actually, all.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, I love it, Scott. Thanks for the time, buddy.
Speaker 1: Have a great week and weekend. We'll get y'all soon, Okay,
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Speaker 1: just a little bit.
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Speaker 1: We'll get back to some college and pro football in
Speaker 1: the five o'clock hour. But you feel that sunshine outside today?
Speaker 1: Do you feel that forty degree sunshine outside today? Well,
Speaker 1: the consistent, sunshine is on its way. And if you
Speaker 1: are like me, and if you get out as much
Speaker 1: as you can to play golf. Do you have a dog,
Speaker 1: you like to go hiking? Do you like to get
Speaker 1: out and go mountain biking. Well, you have a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of sun exposure that quite frankly, is dangerous even
Speaker 1: though we all love it, it's dangerous if you don't
Speaker 1: stay on top of it. Now we have a new
Speaker 1: client on the show. They're friends of mine. It's Ogden Clinic,
Speaker 1: Hadley Dermatology. We have traded j for the smarter, better looking,
Speaker 1: older dermatologist. It's doctor Michael Hadley Liven Studio. Doctor Hadley.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir? I'm great.
Speaker 8: Great to be here is fence and get to meet
Speaker 8: you in person and see your setup now awesome.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming in so like like I said,
Speaker 1: and look you you play golf like I do. And
Speaker 1: you are like the foremost expert with this stuff in
Speaker 1: the state. So early detection can literally save lives. Tell
Speaker 1: our listeners who are like us, they want to get
Speaker 1: out and play golf, they want to hike, they want
Speaker 1: to hang out of the lake. Why it's dangerous to
Speaker 1: wait and how they how they can come get checked
Speaker 1: at your spot.
Speaker 8: I appreciate the question. I mean as Utan's we live
Speaker 8: in a great place to recreate. We we love to
Speaker 8: be outdoors. We love to ski, like you say, hike, golf,
Speaker 8: you name it. Kids are running around playing soccer. All
Speaker 8: the things, uh that we we love about our state
Speaker 8: unfortunately come at a cost. And particular something that's a
Speaker 8: bit sobering. We are actually number one for incidents of
Speaker 8: melanoma in the nation.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 8: That's why, more than double the national average. So you think, oh, California, Florida, Arizona, Texas.
Speaker 8: Now it's Utah, and people scratch their heads and say, well,
Speaker 8: why is that? And ultimately it boils down to a
Speaker 8: variety of factors. Certainly genetics were fair skin. We have
Speaker 8: a lot of sunny days. We're in a high desert.
Speaker 8: But the principal thing is altitude. Every ten thousand feet
Speaker 8: you go up, you increase the intensity of sun about
Speaker 8: forty percent. So here in Salt Lake City forty five
Speaker 8: hundred feet, you know, up at alta or over eight
Speaker 8: thousand feet, Park City six thousand. So that comes at
Speaker 8: a cost, and that cost is of unfortunately melanoma, other
Speaker 8: cancers as well, basal cells squamso cancers. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 8: a dermatologist, but my specialty is a technique of removal
Speaker 8: when these cancers are diagnosed. I'm a mose surgeon, which
Speaker 8: is a technique where we use microscopes to get rid
Speaker 8: of them and that. But my message here is, don't
Speaker 8: wait for me, get out, get checked out, do more
Speaker 8: prevention before you see me. And there's a number of
Speaker 8: things that we can talk about to limit you seeing me.
Speaker 8: I always choke with my patience. You don't want to
Speaker 8: see me, You want to see other guys first. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 8: before you see me. You're kind of the last stop.
Speaker 1: So let's let's get into some prevention stuff and then
Speaker 1: we'll end with the deal you have for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Because every time I see Jason, he's like, dude, you're
Speaker 1: golfing all the time. You got to come see me,
Speaker 1: You gotta come see Mike and I need to get in.
Speaker 1: But before we get to the deal, how can people
Speaker 1: at least operate as safely as possible prior to seeing
Speaker 1: you the last stop?
Speaker 8: I mean, it's the same stuff you probably always have
Speaker 8: been told sunscreen, and when people ask me what the
Speaker 8: best sunscreen is, it boils down to the sunscreen that
Speaker 8: you use.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I have a lot of ideas of different types of blockers,
Speaker 8: physical blockers in titanium, et cetera. But I'd really prefer
Speaker 8: you just put something on, particularly where the sun is
Speaker 8: most intense. Hats, protection with clothing, etc. All those things
Speaker 8: are good, but I'd like to take it to another level.
Speaker 8: I think there are other things out there that science
Speaker 8: has now been showing us is very helpful with prevention.
Speaker 8: These would be what I'd put into a category of
Speaker 8: topical potent.
Speaker 2: Antioxidants.
Speaker 8: These are products you actually put on your skin that
Speaker 8: have been shown with good scientific data. There's over fifty
Speaker 8: five peer reviewed scientific studies valid validating that these things work.
Speaker 8: So you can put it on your face, especially where
Speaker 8: you're going to a lot of sign As a golfer,
Speaker 8: I put it on daily. I joke with my patients,
Speaker 8: I don't know who my skin cancer surgeon's going to be, right,
Speaker 8: It's not gonna be my brother, right right, No, I'm joking,
Speaker 8: he'd be great. But these are things that we can
Speaker 8: do in a more preventive manner. In addition, to the
Speaker 8: things that we've heard about to just take it to
Speaker 8: another level. Given our climate, we're in a really difficult place.
Speaker 2: As far as skin cancer goes.
Speaker 1: Excellent knowledge. Now for our listeners that are listening to this,
Speaker 1: and they're going, oh, I got to get in. You know,
Speaker 1: if I suspense's golfing, I'm golfing. You know, we're hiking,
Speaker 1: and I got to get in because again, early detection.
Speaker 1: And look, I can attest to this because I had
Speaker 1: a brain tumor that we caught early and luckily I
Speaker 1: was able to have surgery and I've lived when if
Speaker 1: I waited a few more months, I would have died.
Speaker 1: So let's help our listeners call to action, come see
Speaker 1: you so they can get in front of this before
Speaker 1: it gets too bad.
Speaker 2: So what's the deal you have for our listeners. The
Speaker 2: deal is to kind of get people on the antioxidant.
Speaker 8: We're going to give a twenty percent discount on our
Speaker 8: most potent topical antioxidant.
Speaker 2: It's a skin suticals product.
Speaker 8: If they called the number, say that they heard it
Speaker 8: on the show, we'll give them that and we'll also
Speaker 8: do a free skin analysis, which will essentially show them
Speaker 8: their damage and kind of get them a little bit
Speaker 8: more motivated. I would say to use these sorts of products.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there you go twenty percent off the topical
Speaker 1: cream and then a free skin analysis, which is a
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, you can go up there and
Speaker 1: just get checked out for free, but you have to
Speaker 1: call the number. Call it right now here. It is
Speaker 1: eight oh one six five seven five six six four
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Speaker 1: You know, there are very few bands that are directly
Speaker 1: tied to one individual guest, but I think we have
Speaker 1: a brand in War on Drugs guest. The bit continues
Speaker 1: as one of the original founders of The Drive, the
Speaker 1: original producer of the drives on the mast head, the
Speaker 1: Dylan Moska bits of the Drive now with our friends
Speaker 1: at the Jazz and the Royals.
Speaker 2: He's very busy, John Paul J P. Chunker. How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2: So explain this to me. Oh, here we go. Okay,
Speaker 2: right off the top. I want to know, Yeah, when.
Speaker 9: You tell guests at time, okay, is it that time
Speaker 9: or is it ten minutes later?
Speaker 2: Should I build in a buffer next time I appear
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: Well, you're in the business, you know, the business sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to pay the bills, and when a client
Speaker 1: shows up for an on air hit, sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to bump my guy for about ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 9: So tomorrow's podcast. You can always get these podcasts Utah
Speaker 9: jazz dot com.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I talked to Tom Crean. Nice.
Speaker 9: If I told Tom, hey, I'll talk to you at
Speaker 9: three o'clock and then not show up until three fifteen,
Speaker 9: do you think you'd.
Speaker 2: Be okay with it?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: I think Tom would be rather upset. I think so too.
Speaker 1: But if you explain to Tom that you did have
Speaker 1: to take ten minutes to interview a client that's helping
Speaker 1: pay your bills, I think it might be understanding. And
Speaker 1: as somebody who's been in this business on that side
Speaker 1: of the glass, understanding how your salary is paid, I
Speaker 1: would imagine you have some empathy for me today.
Speaker 2: How many final fours have you been to? Fair enough?
Speaker 2: The answer is zero? How are you pal? You're a busy,
Speaker 2: busy guy. These days.
Speaker 1: We got Stars play by play, we got Royals play
Speaker 1: by play coming up, of course, all the pods.
Speaker 2: You're heading on a jazz road trip. How are things?
Speaker 9: It's tremendous. It's good to be busy. I know you
Speaker 9: are toiling in the content minds from two to five. No,
Speaker 9: it's six, live man, two to six.
Speaker 1: Not to mention four or five hours of prep prior
Speaker 1: to it's true, and all the games that you watch grinding,
Speaker 1: because you're definitely not going to the games.
Speaker 2: I've been to that.
Speaker 1: I've been to five, and I told you I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to ten. So I'm halfway through and we're
Speaker 1: about halfway down with the year. I'm on track to
Speaker 1: live up to my promise.
Speaker 3: Young man.
Speaker 2: We'll see you about that. But it's good to be busy.
Speaker 2: I enjoy I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 9: I'm enjoying the foray with the Stars, who now have
Speaker 9: signed Isaiah Thomas for a second stint. I know there
Speaker 9: are few things in life that you love as much
Speaker 9: as Isaiah Thomas loves basketball. Like the only comparison I
Speaker 9: think for you is Brooks Brothers, Vineyard Vines, Sperry's.
Speaker 2: It's more of a more of a j Crue guy.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I did go through an Abercromi
Speaker 1: and Fitch phase that's now over. I do have a
Speaker 1: couple of Sperries, But yeah, basketball for Isaiah Thomas is
Speaker 1: fine Northeast where for me, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 9: He loves this game, yes, and I've been able to
Speaker 9: be around him for both stints, and that comes out
Speaker 9: of him every time you talk to him, and I
Speaker 9: think it's super refreshing in this time when you can
Speaker 9: be cynical about sports, he could say, you know, I'm
Speaker 9: going to put on a poll on my Twitter what
Speaker 9: should the Utah Hockey Club's name be? When you could
Speaker 9: be cynical about those things, you can know that there
Speaker 9: are real, pure people like Isaiah Thomas who actually love basketball,
Speaker 9: love playing playing It doesn't matter where they would play it.
Speaker 9: He will do it in the G League just to
Speaker 9: get his shot back in the NBA. And it's such
Speaker 9: a great show to put on for the fans who
Speaker 9: go to the Mavericks Center, who watch the G League.
Speaker 9: And I'm privileged to be alongside that NBA journey for
Speaker 9: Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 2: Breaking news with the hockey club.
Speaker 1: Wassatch is out Outlaws in Outlaws Mammoth Hockey Club. As
Speaker 1: you give your email address to qual Tricks, what what
Speaker 1: box will.
Speaker 2: You be checking?
Speaker 9: Well, I first I have to put a Twitter poll
Speaker 9: on on X or whatever just to see see I
Speaker 9: have to update because they knocked out Outlaws.
Speaker 2: I like Outlaws. You like Outlaws.
Speaker 9: I like Outlaws. It's fun. It's a little West. You
Speaker 9: could own the West motif okay, and could yield a
Speaker 9: pretty cool mascot. All right, so JP goes Outlaws. You
Speaker 9: know my take, stick with the Utahey club man. I
Speaker 9: actually like it. I think it's classy. Don't overthink it.
Speaker 9: I don't need some corny mascot, and the mascot doesn't
Speaker 9: have to be tied to the name. The Jazz mascot
Speaker 9: is a bear. You can do Utahey Club. You can
Speaker 9: come up the mascot. I like the colorways. I think
Speaker 9: the logo's nice.
Speaker 2: I like what it is. That's just me to bear
Speaker 2: in jeens sometimes.
Speaker 1: Bear yes sometime. Does he still do the sled down
Speaker 1: the stairs thing? Or is that now no legal stepped
Speaker 1: in with that?
Speaker 9: Is it bygone era of NBA mascot but one that
Speaker 9: I missed? Yeah, oh if I'm with you, and you
Speaker 9: can find on YouTube, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the stars, we had a little Cody Williams
Speaker 1: action right, looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. Yeah, yeah, So what was it like
Speaker 2: to call those games.
Speaker 9: So the thing that I think people should realize when
Speaker 9: it comes to the G League, and I try to
Speaker 9: make sure I come across this in the broadcast. As
Speaker 9: much as the result matters, it doesn't. It doesn't matter
Speaker 9: the result. What matters is what the guys are going
Speaker 9: and doing and if they're listening to coaching and getting
Speaker 9: the more time that they need to develop. So Cody
Speaker 9: Williams is an example. When he was with the Stars.
Speaker 9: This is a guy who at most in college shot
Speaker 9: thirteen attempts from the field. He was getting that in
Speaker 9: the first half. So him getting the confidence to get
Speaker 9: out there to show his skills, not play tentative, not
Speaker 9: play safe, because there were times during the season with
Speaker 9: the Jazz where he was playing that was a star
Speaker 9: as you could just cut it loose and you do
Speaker 9: it in front of tens of people, and that's a
Speaker 9: good thing because you need to have the pressure the world,
Speaker 9: the weight of being the tenth overall, pick off your shoulders.
Speaker 9: You need to just play free, you need just go.
Speaker 9: And Cody Williams was able to do that with the Stars,
Speaker 9: and I'm sure he's going to get another stint as well.
Speaker 9: But the confidence piece has definitely shown out when he
Speaker 9: plays with the Stars.
Speaker 1: How would you excuse me articulate to the listenership what
Speaker 1: that level of competition really is, because you know, Broni
Speaker 1: goes down, he drops thirty thirty three, And what you
Speaker 1: want is your draft picks to go to the G
Speaker 1: League and be simply the best players. And I didn't
Speaker 1: see a ton of the Cody stuff, but I saw
Speaker 1: the numbers and it looked like he did what they
Speaker 1: were hoping he was going to do.
Speaker 2: But it's not NBA competition.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of people trying to play for
Speaker 1: their jobs, trying to play for their lives, trying to
Speaker 1: get back in the league, or trying to cut a paycheck.
Speaker 2: So, as you've been watching it as the voice of
Speaker 2: the team, now what's the competition like, Well, I think
Speaker 2: in the G you see a lot of desperations, something
Speaker 2: you're familiar with. Oh yeah, yeah, things don't happen to
Speaker 2: you that happened for.
Speaker 9: You exactly, And so that desperation as a driver you're
Speaker 9: going to sometimes against Scalabisier, who if you remember that name,
Speaker 9: twenty sixteen first round draft pick. He's trying to find
Speaker 9: a way in the league, Isaiah Thomas is trying to
Speaker 9: find a way in the league. They don't care where
Speaker 9: you're drafted. They don't care that Isaiah Collier is twenty
Speaker 9: eighth overall coming in out of USC big guy who cares.
Speaker 9: They want to take you down. And in a game
Speaker 9: in the G League, Isaiah Callier went out there and
Speaker 9: did exactly what you were saying, which was be the
Speaker 9: best player on the floor, score thirty six, did it
Speaker 9: confidently shot the three, which is something that he needs
Speaker 9: to show at the NBA level. If he gets that shot,
Speaker 9: I think you know you watch him with some of
Speaker 9: these passes with the Jazz as of late, He's going
Speaker 9: to be a pretty good point guard because he has
Speaker 9: that in his mentality and he's wiring.
Speaker 2: This competition.
Speaker 9: This level is one that tests how much you love
Speaker 9: the game, how much you want to be Isaiah Thomas,
Speaker 9: how much you want and accept assignments of playing at
Speaker 9: a lower level because it's it's summer league, but more structure,
Speaker 9: because these players have played a little more together. But
Speaker 9: also realize so many of these guys don't care where
Speaker 9: you came from, don't care what your draft position was.
Speaker 9: They're fighting for an NBA job, and executives are watching
Speaker 9: from all over the year the world, Europe, Australia and
Speaker 9: executives in the NBA. Everybody's playing for a job out there.
Speaker 1: Scott A text will real quick, JP is using point
Speaker 1: guard to label players send I thought it was positionless basketball.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're titled tailing right now.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was positionless. I didn't think were
Speaker 1: supposed to use those terms with this team. That is
Speaker 1: not your grandfather's Utah jass, That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2: But I mean Isaiah Callier is a point guard.
Speaker 1: He is, and he has lead guard tendancies, and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody else on the roster has.
Speaker 9: I like him a lot more than I thought I
Speaker 9: was going to. I'm not gonna lie the so he
Speaker 9: was talking. I I remember talking to him because I
Speaker 9: talked to him frequently.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you what is there? Is there
Speaker 2: a nickname that we have for Isaiah?
Speaker 3: Yet?
Speaker 9: Really you want a nickname? So you haven't been watching
Speaker 9: the G League broadcast? I thought that's what we do?
Speaker 2: Call you by his name? Come on, man, is that
Speaker 2: really it? I think it's Zay everybody calls him.
Speaker 4: Did you just make that up?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Come on I'm doing radio here.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. No, but here's the thing that's that's good.
Speaker 1: But it also tracks. I could totally see somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: no for the caller by by by name. I could
Speaker 1: see somebody coming up with that and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: get Bowler on the line. This is what we're going
Speaker 1: with tonight.
Speaker 2: Call your daddy. Shout out to Trev. Do you mind
Speaker 2: if I do a read to pay some bills before
Speaker 2: you break? Is that okay with you?
Speaker 4: Please?
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Speaker 1: twenty one hundred, South JP Wonderkins Rising Star, Bright Shining Star,
Speaker 1: Busy Boys Live in Studio, Former producer this program, former
Speaker 1: producer here at ESPN seven hundred. How often do you
Speaker 1: think back and say man, I wish I was still
Speaker 1: a Broadway I wish I was still doing afternoon drive producing.
Speaker 1: That has to be a fat that pops in your
Speaker 1: head a lot. I think about it. Yeah, often I
Speaker 1: can't say that's the case, but.
Speaker 2: You do think about it. I think about it. You
Speaker 2: miss us, don't you.
Speaker 9: I do miss the place. The people were, great relationships
Speaker 9: you make along the way. It is true, you know,
Speaker 9: I miss Jan Brownsteam.
Speaker 2: Jan still doinger thing. You know real golf radio? Is
Speaker 2: that what they call it?
Speaker 1: You know, you tell Alfredio sorry, shout out to bet
Speaker 1: on the other station. You tell golf radio every Saturday.
Speaker 1: Jan and my guy Pugs.
Speaker 9: But seeing Jan here at the office, seeing the people
Speaker 9: who work around here, big game, James, our guy pd
Speaker 9: I know exactly. I remember when he interned here, when
Speaker 9: he was a part timer. Now he's running the place.
Speaker 9: Dreams come true, John Paul.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 9: It's seeing careers grow, people grow, and you know this place.
Speaker 9: You can have your dog in the studio now, yeah change, Yeah,
Speaker 9: single father. So dude comes to work with me?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Is it kind of wild?
Speaker 1: The turnover here though, Like you walk in and a
Speaker 1: lot of people that were here once upon a time,
Speaker 1: very much or not.
Speaker 9: Half of the office is now gone. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 9: a little interesting, but that's radio. I knew it when
Speaker 9: you get into it that sometimes things change and the
Speaker 9: only thing that's constant is that it's very much like
Speaker 9: the get league.
Speaker 2: Look at you, well done before we get back there.
Speaker 1: Uh crooksy, Okay, we got to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of it, man, we have to do a little We're
Speaker 1: here for the lads, you know that, sure. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to upset you. Well, I don't do angry,
Speaker 1: confront confrontational radio. You know that that's not the not
Speaker 1: part of the ethos of the show. So I don't
Speaker 1: want you get angry. But single record points, single record
Speaker 1: goal scored, club records last year in a single season set,
Speaker 1: and they they break it down piece by piece. What
Speaker 1: has this been like for you to witness?
Speaker 9: Well, my heart broke when they got rid of the Moose.
Speaker 9: Oh no, I know that's when it officially broke.
Speaker 1: Has it ever been the same since the Moose? I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be honest in what hasn't and the the heights
Speaker 1: that they reached last summer, chi Cho being the MVP
Speaker 1: front runner better than Messi. I know, I'll say it
Speaker 1: now that viral sound right there. I'm a little peeve
Speaker 1: that he's gone, So I'll say better than MESSI the
Speaker 1: way they were playing, and then to see that player,
Speaker 1: that team, this organization dismantle it.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 9: It's unreal how much turnover there is in this team.
Speaker 9: And mind you, there was a flicker. Yeah, I was
Speaker 9: moved a little bit when Diego Luna got smacked in
Speaker 9: the face and you see him and him and Clayton
Speaker 9: Keller side by side. Sure, I got a little moved
Speaker 9: by that poach shouting him out with Dunny my guy. Okay,
Speaker 9: I start thinking, hey, I get back in. But then
Speaker 9: I realized how many people are gone, How the moose
Speaker 9: isn't there. How it's just not the same anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and for a team last summer, where I go to
Speaker 9: the games, I sit in the fans, I'm amongst the people.
Speaker 9: I'm wearing a scarf like everybody else. The noise that
Speaker 9: would happen when Chicho was on the ball, it was deafening.
Speaker 9: The twenty thousand at the riot always sold out. I
Speaker 9: still call it the Rye.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: It will always be there. It will always be the
Speaker 1: ride and will always be sold out.
Speaker 9: The sound that would come once he was on the
Speaker 9: ball was unlike anybody else, only comparable to the Maestro
Speaker 9: Javier Morales.
Speaker 2: And he's gone. So I don't know.
Speaker 9: They have to win me over this year, and they're
Speaker 9: gonna have to do it from a studio calling game remotely.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, are you out on RSL this year?
Speaker 2: They have to convince me, Wow, this is big news.
Speaker 2: I mean big Gav is gone. Gav's gone. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was supposed to be the future, and that's what I
Speaker 2: call him. Anderson Julio and Oh shipped out.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about any of these strikers, but
Speaker 1: at least the midfield is still dialed in. We got
Speaker 1: our guy a Mecca shout out, Nate Bench. Apparently he's
Speaker 1: gonna wear the captain's arm band.
Speaker 2: Pobs.
Speaker 1: My guy joins the show yesterday to drop that little tidbit.
Speaker 1: So at least we have Oh, and by the way,
Speaker 1: just so you know, goals by Committee, Diogo Lachlann Okay, Dom,
Speaker 1: I call him Dom, you can call him Mark Zuke.
Speaker 1: I don't care, but I'm choosing because this is how
Speaker 1: I lived my life to be glass at full goals
Speaker 1: by committee, not bemoaning players of the past.
Speaker 9: I'm glad that the talking points have gotten out. Trey
Speaker 9: has written him up, handing him out to his lackey's
Speaker 9: in the media, and you're repeating them on air.
Speaker 2: Do you disagree with the assertions Chico was amazing last year.
Speaker 9: You need somebody to pour in the goals come playoff time,
Speaker 9: because I even last time when I came on here,
Speaker 9: I was saying, this is a playoff or bus team.
Speaker 9: This is the point that I'm going to, you know,
Speaker 9: show me in the playoffs postseason. Come on, I don't care, Darryl.
Speaker 2: It's the regular season.
Speaker 3: Mori.
Speaker 2: Time needs to get to the final and they didn't.
Speaker 1: As a fan and a student of the beautiful game internationally,
Speaker 1: Ratha Cabral thirty five year old Brazilian keeper, rich and experience,
Speaker 1: leadership from the back, good with his feet, potential option
Speaker 1: to also where the captain's armband. You gotta be excited
Speaker 1: about what's in goal.
Speaker 9: I'm glad that the email blast went out and you
Speaker 9: checked the inbox.
Speaker 1: I read all my emails. Hockey Club, Jazz Stars, RSL,
Speaker 1: you name it. Okay, you mentioned glad let's move to
Speaker 1: the back line. RSL Legends club legend, homegrown Jay Glad
Speaker 1: next to what I've heard is a calmer, more poised,
Speaker 1: grown up version of Brian Vera.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: We got wonder Kins, Alex Katranis on the left, a
Speaker 1: healthy competition on the right, feeding into a holding midfield
Speaker 1: group that features Nelson Placio, Brian o'hada, aforementioned a Mecca
Speaker 1: Anelli returning from injury, Vegas favorite for MLS Comeback Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, Pablo Ruiz.
Speaker 9: So when Ben Simmons posts he's shooting threes in the
Speaker 9: summer with his trainer, do you come in and you say,
Speaker 9: I can't wait, can't wait. This is gonna be big year,
Speaker 9: big year for the Australian Ben Simmons.
Speaker 2: He's gonna expand his range, He's gonna shoot jumps out.
Speaker 2: Don't do a ton of Benson on the program. But
Speaker 2: your point is well taken. Okay, Yeah, So bottom line
Speaker 2: is you're out on RSL and now they have to
Speaker 2: win you back.
Speaker 9: They have to win me back. I'm open available, but
Speaker 9: right now they do have to win me back.
Speaker 1: Will you get emotional opening night MLS action? After of course,
Speaker 1: CONCACAF Champions Cup. When RSL is at PayPal Park and
Speaker 1: the starting nine for San Jose is one Chico ro Ango,
Speaker 1: will you get emotional?
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, I will understand Arena on the other side
Speaker 9: as well, Big game Bruce, of course, because those guys
Speaker 9: gave me a lot of good times in my life
Speaker 9: with the US men's national team and with real Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: Now neither connected to ourselves based.
Speaker 1: Off of what Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik were able
Speaker 1: to get for Gobert, which I call the hall. What's
Speaker 1: fair to say about what Kurt Schmidt did not get
Speaker 1: for Chicho Rongo. I mean, if we're trading stars in Utah,
Speaker 1: we want a haul. We don't want to be had.
Speaker 1: What's fair to say about the RSL front office.
Speaker 9: I think that they need to take a book out
Speaker 9: of Age and Xanik and look for desperation. Desperate teams
Speaker 9: Phoenix very desperate. They're like, we gotta get draft picks
Speaker 9: to get Jimmy Butler and find somebody to take Bradley Beale,
Speaker 9: who nobody wants because he has no trade clause and
Speaker 9: the numbers outstanding. So how about we trade twenty thirty
Speaker 9: one's first round pick a year where Devin Booker will
Speaker 9: be in his thirties. If he stays in Phoenix, Duran
Speaker 9: is done and Duran is gone.
Speaker 2: Gil's already done.
Speaker 9: Desperation is the thing you need to traffic in if
Speaker 9: you're RSL and I didn't see a desperate team with
Speaker 9: San Jose. I didn't see a desperate team that was
Speaker 9: clamoring for Chicho services.
Speaker 1: Is it time to say that this club belongs to
Speaker 1: Diego Luna, who I call moon Man by the way,
Speaker 1: because he's grown up. Yeah, once upon a time, moon Boy,
Speaker 1: I call him moon Man is a Diego's club now.
Speaker 9: So again, when that picture showed up him in Kels,
Speaker 9: I call Himkels Nice. I like that, uhc go clubbers.
Speaker 9: So when that side by side happened, there was a flutter.
Speaker 9: My heart was tickled, but it wasn't an off okay
Speaker 9: to get me back on the club.
Speaker 1: This is rough man, You're a lifelong I mean I
Speaker 1: have a picture of you on my phone of a
Speaker 1: young JP Chonga next to Jason Christ and then a
Speaker 1: mature grown J. P Chunger outside of the studio with
Speaker 1: Jason Christ after he was brought back to the club.
Speaker 1: You are what I call a lifer, and at this
Speaker 1: point you're telling me that you're out until they bring
Speaker 1: you back in case Stanza stuff they do.
Speaker 2: They need to convince me. Okay, it's like a big cat.
Speaker 9: He was able to switch his allegiances from Boston to Chicago.
Speaker 9: I'm allowed to switch allegiances too. It's o okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, who would be your backup MLS team?
Speaker 2: Don't say it. It's not that team.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, it's not that, not that team breaking hearts today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh MESSI you'd go Miami. I'd go Miami. I'm a
Speaker 1: front runner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Santy.
Speaker 9: I was at training when little Santi would be practicing
Speaker 9: penalty kicks with a huge inflatable ball playing aside as
Speaker 9: his dad was training with Thomis and Olave and the
Speaker 9: entire crew. So like, I I go back with this team,
Speaker 9: and and now I need to be convinced a little bit.
Speaker 9: But that that's okay. Things Wayne, people can come back.
Speaker 9: It's it is the cycles of life.
Speaker 2: Nate Bench would say that he thought you were a believer.
Speaker 2: That's what Bench would say. I stand up on my feet,
Speaker 2: I do it. I was there. You shout it out
Speaker 2: out of down.
Speaker 1: Okay, believe me, I was freezing at the Eastern Conference final,
Speaker 1: such a dumb league in Sandy, Utah against.
Speaker 2: New York against the New York Red Bulls. Was it
Speaker 2: off the post? Yeah, that's right? Good knowledge.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll get back to the jazz and moment
Speaker 1: because we have not talked about the deal. But let's
Speaker 1: do a little Royals as the voice of So they
Speaker 1: finished last season like on fire. Can they start the
Speaker 1: way they finished and maybe be a playoff club this year?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, the way that they were trending was a playoff
Speaker 9: team in the way that Jimmy Kunerats was organizing the side.
Speaker 9: They have a bona fide star in Ali sent Nor,
Speaker 9: the last first overall pick in the NWSL draft. They
Speaker 9: did away with the draft, very forward thinking so that
Speaker 9: they could have labor piece and keep this league going
Speaker 9: in the NWSL. But if you're going to watch anything
Speaker 9: on the Utah Royals, it is that number nine Ali
Speaker 9: sent Nor, because she's one of the best talents in
Speaker 9: all of American soccer. She got capped by the US
Speaker 9: women's national team in England at Wembley before seventy thousand
Speaker 9: people to take on England. Recognized by the best coach
Speaker 9: in the entire world, Emma Hayes, she coaches the US
Speaker 9: women's national team. She has acknowledged how good Ali sent
Speaker 9: Nor can be and she's just twenty years old. So
Speaker 9: you're gonna get in on the very ground floor of
Speaker 9: the war on drugs. You're going to see them when
Speaker 9: they're playing clubs, much like you did. Thank you when
Speaker 9: you saw them at Urban Lounge and you finally a
Speaker 9: little admission.
Speaker 2: I have a T shirt. You don't.
Speaker 9: The way you speak about that day is the way
Speaker 9: that people will speak about Ali sent Noor because she
Speaker 9: has so much talent, a rocket of a shot. She
Speaker 9: was the US Young Female Player of the Year, and
Speaker 9: fully just because of how talented she is. She can
Speaker 9: shoot from distance, she can finish inside the box. And
Speaker 9: because of the way that they played last year five
Speaker 9: wins down this stretch, they can do even more with
Speaker 9: Ali Senton or unleash this season.
Speaker 2: RSL dot com for both RSL and Royals tickets.
Speaker 1: You can hear our guy, John Paul and the call,
Speaker 1: all right, with the time we have left, we'll do
Speaker 1: at a little jazz. We'll get back to the jazz
Speaker 1: Walker all right, one of my favorite things. It's not
Speaker 1: just what he's done when he's played, it's the way
Speaker 1: they look when he doesn't play. It's such a massive difference.
Speaker 1: And obviously you go from Walker Kessler to Drew you
Speaker 1: Banks and a young Kyle Philipalskier what have you, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a difference. We were
Speaker 1: talking about the Gobert deal. Walker, of course, Minnesota takes
Speaker 1: in twenty second. He's part of that deal. He lands here.
Speaker 2: We know the deal. Year one, awesome, Year two, not
Speaker 2: so much. Year three. This to me is the A
Speaker 2: plus jazz story of the year.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna trade him, sorry, Jake Fisher, whoever else
Speaker 1: is riding about it like that, to me is a
Speaker 1: hang up unless you get blown away. But nobody is
Speaker 1: going to, I think, step up to give Danny and
Speaker 1: Justin what they would want for this young player. That's
Speaker 1: doness rookie deal. So what have you seen from him
Speaker 1: when he has been playing? And then the difference between
Speaker 1: this team when they have Walker on the floor and
Speaker 1: then when he's sitting.
Speaker 2: He's been awesome, awesome this year.
Speaker 9: The physicality that he's playing with taking the challenge of
Speaker 9: a struggling year two being.
Speaker 2: Mister America. That that had to have driven the show
Speaker 2: a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Was that the narrative when he played for Team USA
Speaker 1: and couldn't get off the bench here, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Miss America. Oh come on, I apologize.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant his Team USA basketball experience.
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Not really into those types of storylines, but hey, whatever
Speaker 1: whatever sells, whatever plays Real Housewives of salig City.
Speaker 2: Stuff over here. You're not watching Coke. I only watch
Speaker 2: for a coach shop pep talk, and that's not part
Speaker 2: of the deal anymore. So I'm out.
Speaker 9: Well, it seemed like Walker Kessler got a coach Shaw
Speaker 9: pep talk this. He's been lit on fire. Every time
Speaker 9: he's around the rim. He's affecting shots. He's deterring people
Speaker 9: at the rim from attacking him. He's you see the
Speaker 9: shot chart, bend. If you want to see the impact
Speaker 9: of what Walker Kesler has on the Utah Jazz, check
Speaker 9: a game where he's in the shot chart. Check a
Speaker 9: game when he's not there, and check that shot chart
Speaker 9: because it is drastically different the shots.
Speaker 2: The green dots that you.
Speaker 9: See at the rim more than when Walker's not there,
Speaker 9: less of them xes that are red when he is there.
Speaker 2: Are you really watching Real Housewives of Salic City? Somebody
Speaker 2: asks to is it season three? I think so. I
Speaker 2: tapped out after season one. Okay, i'might have to get
Speaker 2: back on board.
Speaker 1: Do you know the origin story of Walker meeting Abby
Speaker 1: Abby Stalker, the current Miss America?
Speaker 9: Yeah I do, let's hear it. It's Bruce Pearl. Bruce
Speaker 9: was the guy that connected them because Walker's mom noticed
Speaker 9: a striking young woman who is an auburn you know,
Speaker 9: dance team or cheerleader, and she says to Walker, hey,
Speaker 9: Walk looks pretty nice over there. Walker, you know, the
Speaker 9: bashful one isn't going to say anything. But a couple
Speaker 9: of weeks later, Walk's mom goes over asks Bruce Pearl, hey,
Speaker 9: who is that gal? Bruce finds out, gives the number
Speaker 9: over to Walker's mom, transfers Walker's mom to Walker, and
Speaker 9: match made in Heaven.
Speaker 2: How tall is she? I think she's pretty normally sized four.
Speaker 1: Or five and he's seven. Yeah, well, big Dave, your guy,
Speaker 1: My dad six ' six, dad five two used to
Speaker 1: the gap in height. So shout out to Abby miss
Speaker 1: Usa sh shout out to Walker having a great year.
Speaker 1: All right, you referenced in passing the deal the Jazz
Speaker 1: made with Phoenix. Now, initially, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, Okay, what exactly are.
Speaker 2: We doing here?
Speaker 1: And then you dig into it and obviously they've done
Speaker 1: their calculation on Cleveland and they're like, yeah, they're good
Speaker 1: this year. It's gonna be good for a while. The
Speaker 1: least favorable the three probably the Cavs.
Speaker 2: Certainly this year.
Speaker 1: Two years from now, and then four years from now,
Speaker 1: we'll see, but it's still the least favorable.
Speaker 2: So I would guess it's in the twenties.
Speaker 1: You send three picks, most likely in the twenties to
Speaker 1: Phoenix and the off chance that they're pivoting in twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one, and if you look at their roster right now,
Speaker 1: it appears that that's a good bet. Now, they do
Speaker 1: have an owner that likes to spend, and maybe he
Speaker 1: goes all in every single year just to try to
Speaker 1: and look, it's not a good approach. The super team
Speaker 1: thing didn't work in Brooklyn, it's not working in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: But what's your reaction to what Justin and Danny decided
Speaker 1: to do consolidating some picks for a really good value
Speaker 1: pick on the market in twenty thirty one.
Speaker 9: But yeah, the point is that they're getting something that
Speaker 9: could be a lottery pick. It's completely unprotected, which is
Speaker 9: a unicorn in the NBA these days. It's rare that
Speaker 9: you get that in the Lakers pick, which is lightly protected.
Speaker 9: I think, yeah, top four, But the fact that you
Speaker 9: can still have a lottery bound pick for the Lakers
Speaker 9: betting against two teams that get desperate, and I think
Speaker 9: it would be prudent for the Lakers not to do
Speaker 9: anything at the deadline because this team isn't going to
Speaker 9: win a championship, by the way. But besides that, the
Speaker 9: Phoenix situation, sensing the desperation of a team that will
Speaker 9: continually spend, but is it getting you? At some point
Speaker 9: They're going to have to pull the plug on this
Speaker 9: team at some point because right now, mediocre results, you're
Speaker 9: not in the top six, you're not a threatening team
Speaker 9: to the top squads in the West. You think that's
Speaker 9: that team's going to win four rounds in the playoffs two.
Speaker 9: I don't think they win two rounds. There's no chance
Speaker 9: that they do that. So unless Mattieshbia is an owner
Speaker 9: who just likes writing checks and continually getting mediocre results.
Speaker 9: They are going to have to at some point reset
Speaker 9: things and go for the rebuilding route of the NBA,
Speaker 9: which is to build through the draft, to lose a bunch,
Speaker 9: to have to take your medicine at some point, and
Speaker 9: right now they haven't really done that. The big hit
Speaker 9: on their draft pick is Ryan Dunn, the other guy,
Speaker 9: OsO Igadaro.
Speaker 2: You of course know this. Obviously.
Speaker 9: He played against the Salt Lake City Stars on Tuesday,
Speaker 9: getting a G League assignment, but he's not in the
Speaker 9: rotation right.
Speaker 2: They don't have ways to.
Speaker 1: Improve this team other than trading Bradley Beal, and nobody
Speaker 1: wants Bradley Beal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're stuck.
Speaker 9: Betting against them is a wise move, and getting that
Speaker 9: twenty thirty one unprotected pick is a big coup for
Speaker 9: Age and Xanti, especially in.
Speaker 1: The era of the second Apron that, as you know,
Speaker 1: is punitiff. I've heard I read Bobby Marx. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: read Bobby Marx.
Speaker 9: Who doesn't I wake up and I think about Bobby Marx, like, who,
Speaker 9: my gosh, what is the former assistant general manager for
Speaker 9: the new jersey nets doing right now?
Speaker 1: Punitive? Yeah, that's punitive, all right? Before I set you
Speaker 1: loose Gobert Rudy back in the building tonight. How about
Speaker 1: it is Walker playing? I believe he is okay, good, good,
Speaker 1: So that'll be fun to watch those two go ahead
Speaker 1: to head as Rudy rolls into town. It's just a
Speaker 1: fun way to reminisce about what it was like to
Speaker 1: watch him grow. And you know, Dennis Lindsay joined the
Speaker 1: show right after they drafted him, and the term he used,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. He said he was treated like
Speaker 1: a circus freak at the combine. People didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with him, you know, and he kind of
Speaker 1: felt bad for him because he was like over in
Speaker 1: the corner, like this big lanky guy who really didn't
Speaker 1: have a great feel for anything, if we're honest, Like
Speaker 1: couldn't even get up and down the floor, wasn't coordinated
Speaker 1: with the basketball. He's one of the great success stories
Speaker 1: of this franchise. You know, he evolves into Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, All Star and loved it here, wanted
Speaker 1: to stay here.
Speaker 2: And I was always a big Rudy guy.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about it, so as he rolls
Speaker 1: into the building tonight, now should Jazz fans remember the
Speaker 1: big fella playing for the Timberwolves now.
Speaker 9: As a true franchise legend, buying into the program. One
Speaker 9: of the best moments of Quinn's development histories is seeing
Speaker 9: him become what he became. And I think back to
Speaker 9: a game, maybe his first year, where they're going against
Speaker 9: the Process Sixers and Jeremy Grant is pushing him around
Speaker 9: in the post Jeremy Grant, And at that point, Jeremy
Speaker 9: Grant wasn't even NBA ready. He was just coming straight
Speaker 9: out of Syracuse and pushing around this seven footer. And
Speaker 9: then to think back on that guy to where now
Speaker 9: he's posting pictures of himself shirtless because he's becoming Adonis.
Speaker 9: That's hard work, that's true love of the game stuff.
Speaker 9: That those are the guys you want to bet on.
Speaker 9: And for the Jazz to have bet on Rudy Gobert
Speaker 9: with that draft pick wearing the number twenty seven because
Speaker 9: he felt slighted to be picked there because all these
Speaker 9: people have doubted him day after day after day, not
Speaker 9: thinking this kid from France could make it in the NBA.
Speaker 9: And to see that he's become a four time Defensive
Speaker 9: Player of the Year, a franchise staple in two places.
Speaker 9: It's a real credit to him, and fans here should
Speaker 9: appreciate what he gave for the franchise.
Speaker 2: And I still hate the way he's treated around the league.
Speaker 2: I think it's so lame. But anyway, all right, so
Speaker 2: good it was.
Speaker 9: That's the other thing, like the Rudy and on. Being
Speaker 9: a part of the cult of defending Rudy online also
Speaker 9: pretty fun because people don't agree with you and you
Speaker 9: get to be mad all day. I think it's like
Speaker 9: a healthy outlet for sports, and knowing that the world's
Speaker 9: against you, you can play a little black hat action.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 9: I enjoyed that he kind of fed into it the
Speaker 9: beef with Shack Oh, come on, it was perfect sports fodder.
Speaker 9: And I think Rudy, because he attracts this hate from people,
Speaker 9: is a funny guy to see in the NBA and
Speaker 9: see all the success that he's gotten.
Speaker 2: Royal much deserved.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I agree Royal's play by play stars play by play. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the pod before I set you loose.
Speaker 1: Where can people go get all the jazz podcasts?
Speaker 9: Utah Jazz dot Com. Next up Tom Crean. He was
Speaker 9: on the call for Colorado BYU, so I want to
Speaker 9: give his thoughts on yegor little ky Kyu.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can use that on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I was looking for something with that.
Speaker 9: Kevin Young, we're talking prospects. I also asked him about
Speaker 9: the Jazz's rookies because he recruited Isaiah Collier.
Speaker 2: He was at Georgia in the Neck of the Woods.
Speaker 2: Tracked him.
Speaker 9: He stays connected to the game, a real basketball sicco
Speaker 9: I know you are too, indeed, and he's going to
Speaker 9: be on the podcast tomorrow. Make sure you check it out.
Speaker 9: Just look up the Utah Jazz Podcast Network. Anywhere you
Speaker 9: get your podcasts, I prefer Apple podcasts, but you can
Speaker 9: use Spotify, you can do use Stitcher, you can use
Speaker 9: anywhere you get your podcast.
Speaker 1: Grinder of tape, Knower of Ball, John Paul always good
Speaker 1: to see you, buddy, Good to see you all right?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Drive at five time you're commute home on this Thursday afternoon?
Speaker 1: Gets rolling right now. It's been a sunny and warm
Speaker 1: January day. As we are preparing to turn our calendars
Speaker 1: to February, next week. Congratulations, slow clap for everybody.
Speaker 2: Way to go.
Speaker 1: If you're anti January like I am, this is a
Speaker 1: good week, final week of January. But we had about
Speaker 1: forty two degrees was the high today. It was sunny
Speaker 1: in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. We have not had
Speaker 1: a forty plus degree day in quite some time, so
Speaker 1: offering a little hope maybe sunshine on the way.
Speaker 2: Of course, plenty of months and weeks out of cold weather.
Speaker 1: But I mute home on a Thursday, starts right now,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate you making us a part of your
Speaker 1: day today and every day. We've got the NFL Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl Skills Game Challenge tonight. Hayden and Eli Manning tell
Speaker 1: you what man for a post football career, those two
Speaker 1: have been able to really parlay some fun personalities into
Speaker 1: a lot of media opportunities.
Speaker 2: Looks like, Terry Cruz is your MC tonight?
Speaker 1: How much porter of the NFL Skills Challenge Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: Style Action?
Speaker 2: What you watch tonight on on ESPN.
Speaker 4: I am currently finding out that it's happening tonight, So
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I actually had no idea.
Speaker 4: That should kind of answer it. I mean, I'll probably
Speaker 4: see something of note on social media later.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do. I don't
Speaker 1: know who's even involved. I don't know if NFL players
Speaker 1: give a rip, if they're even in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: I do think, you know what's interesting, They have it
Speaker 1: in contracts, which really probably should stop because I think
Speaker 1: Drake May is a pro bowler.
Speaker 2: This year, I'll do Russell Wilson as well.
Speaker 1: So the first first skilled skilled challenge, excuse me, right
Speaker 1: out of the gates, is called passing the test. So
Speaker 1: each quarterback has forty seconds, you earn an additional ten
Speaker 1: seconds with each correct trivia answer. What I guess they're
Speaker 1: asking quarterbacks trivia. So on the AFC side you have
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, that's kind of fun, Drake May, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: On the NFC side you have Jared Goff, Sam Darnold,
Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield. So if you are a football junkie,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of you are waiting for
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, super Bowl fifty nine coming up on
Speaker 1: February the ninth down in the Big Easy in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: Philly and case if you're just starving for football content,
Speaker 1: the worldwide Leader, as you covered tonight, it is passing
Speaker 1: the test. Little skills challenge action for the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: players in Pro Football. A little bit of breaking news
Speaker 1: on a Thursday afternoon. First of all, in case you
Speaker 1: missed it, the Utah Hockey Club has punted on the
Speaker 1: Utah was Wassatch because it was a horrible idea in
Speaker 1: the first place. Utah Outlaws has now been brought to
Speaker 1: the table as a potential name for the Utah Hockey Club.
Speaker 1: So your final three, and if you are going to
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club home games, you have the option of
Speaker 1: going through the motions of pretending to vote, so you
Speaker 1: can give qual Church.
Speaker 2: Your email on the following three.
Speaker 1: The Utah Hockey Club, Okay, the Utah Mammoth, and now
Speaker 1: the Utah Outlaws. The Utah Wasatch has been thrown aside. Porter,
Speaker 1: you were very anti Utah Wasatch yesterday on the show.
Speaker 1: Are you a fan of the replacement option for the
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club the Utah Outlaws.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's better, it's better. There's historical ties.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I've been I've been running the UH. I think out
Speaker 4: out of these, I'm with Outlaws.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: You can go back to the original lists of twenty
Speaker 4: or so, and there were some that I liked a
Speaker 4: little better. But yeah, I mean I I've talked about
Speaker 4: the history of the outlaws in this state and how
Speaker 4: that really does tie in. There are some connotations there
Speaker 4: that you may have to deal with in a branding segment,
Speaker 4: but I think that one gives you a good option
Speaker 4: for a mascot, a good option for logos, for branding,
Speaker 4: for apparel, for merch. I think Mammos is fine in
Speaker 4: that direction as well. And we've already talked about the
Speaker 4: Utah Hockey Club, which is clean and a good logo,
Speaker 4: a good look to me. So although the process has
Speaker 4: been clunky, it has been messy, and I think it
Speaker 4: could have gone a lot better if you just handled
Speaker 4: a little bit more of it behind closed doors. Although
Speaker 4: all that is true, I think they've landed on three
Speaker 4: options that I'd go either way on any of them.
Speaker 4: I'm cool with them all.
Speaker 1: Quick Google search of the most famous outlaw in the
Speaker 1: state of Utah brings up But Cassidy, there we go,
Speaker 1: and you might have you might have a little knowledge.
Speaker 2: I understand, potentially on the man born as Robert Leroy.
Speaker 1: Parker Robert Lee Roy Parker, Circleville Utah scout Out, Shout Out, Hard,
Speaker 1: shout out today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my third cousin, mister but Cassidy. So there's there's
Speaker 4: familial ties there.
Speaker 1: Do you have any like cool Butch Cassidy paraphernalia or
Speaker 1: anything not Butch Cassidy, but my third kid? No, okay,
Speaker 1: like Kit Curry, is I here talking?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Is it a Butch Cassidy in the Sundance.
Speaker 1: Sundance Kitch Harvey Longabah by the way, good knowledge, that's
Speaker 1: a deep pull.
Speaker 4: Harry longah Bah. So it was actually off.
Speaker 2: Okay, now now you're bragging.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't have his stuff. But my third
Speaker 4: great grandfather, who helped establish the Outlaw Trail, which is
Speaker 4: like a secret network of trails that go up through
Speaker 4: uh a good part of like northeast Utah and down
Speaker 4: into into the desert, I do have some stuff from him.
Speaker 4: And Butch Cassidy used some of our family kind of
Speaker 4: outposts and cabins back in the day as well, So
Speaker 4: there's some cool history there.
Speaker 1: So, according to the Utah Education Network, shout out to them,
Speaker 1: big shout out, Big, big shout out on a Thursday
Speaker 1: and a piece written by John D.
Speaker 2: Barton entitled Outlaws.
Speaker 1: In Utah because the pushback on this name is there
Speaker 1: aren't any outlaws in Utah right now, which, oh Contreier
Speaker 1: shout out to our guy the Bowl. Oh right, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are several outlaws in Utah County. They're stealing money
Speaker 1: from ward members and putting it in fake securities and
Speaker 1: claiming that they're trying to do good and they go
Speaker 1: to jail for a while.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of those bros.
Speaker 4: There are.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of outlaws in our state.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting tie to the outlaw ning. But yeah,
Speaker 4: they're still around.
Speaker 1: So according to our guy John D. Barton and the
Speaker 1: Utah Department of Education, Outlaws in Utah. Butch Cassidy, or
Speaker 1: he as he was christened Robert Leroy Parker, is best known,
Speaker 1: is the best known of Utah's outlaws rivalry and the
Speaker 1: fame of even Jesse James Billy the Kid. Cassidy and
Speaker 1: his gang the Wild Bunch were among the most successful
Speaker 1: of Western outlaws.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: And I like to add they targeted only banks, train barons.
Speaker 2: Oh now, don't paint him as robinhood here and the rich.
Speaker 1: This actually take dead aim at the rich boys fence. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: check out the Twitter profile. This Actually, now that we're
Speaker 1: learning more about outlaws in Utah and the rich history,
Speaker 1: you might need to get involved to drop some knowledge
Speaker 1: on the people as to why this name actually works.
Speaker 4: I am happy to get involved. As far as the
Speaker 4: educational process, as you mentioned, we'll we'll show, we'll have
Speaker 4: a show and tell on old outlaw paraphernalia. I'm happy
Speaker 4: to do that. But yeah, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 4: different ways you can go with that, that branding, that nickname.
Speaker 4: So I'm on board with it, and I'll reserve my
Speaker 4: actual vote till I decide between the remaining.
Speaker 1: Shout out to a lesser known member of the gang
Speaker 1: named Henry Wilbur meeks, I'm familiar with.
Speaker 4: This young man, Henry wil no Elsie Lay mentions.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: So Henry Wilbur Lenk's was a former Mormon who latched
Speaker 1: on to Butch casting the Sundance Kid and his gang.
Speaker 2: He was from Wallsburg, Utah.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Wallsburg, whether where his father was a
Speaker 1: freighter named Harvey Logan, better known in gang circles as
Speaker 1: Kid Curry. He had come home from a small Ranching
Speaker 1: family in Montana. Many other outlaws throughout the era had
Speaker 1: nothing extraordinary in their backgrounds. Most were from common backgrounds,
Speaker 1: and many became outlaws due to the conditions of the times.
Speaker 1: Some outlaws were careful from where they from whom they stole,
Speaker 1: and at times shared with those in severe need with
Speaker 1: whom they came into contact, fostering the robin hood myth.
Speaker 1: Though it must be remembered that his only natural to
Speaker 1: rob from the rich. After all, they're the ones with
Speaker 1: the money worth stealing.
Speaker 2: That is true. This is according to our guy John
Speaker 2: Bates from the Utah Department of Education. That is true.
Speaker 4: Harvey Logan, his brother Lonnie Lonnie Logan, shut up?
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 4: I do have a pretty good I'm in deathite knowledge here.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to tell you to shut up, that
Speaker 2: was true.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, listen, we don't get into Outlaws of
Speaker 4: the West very often.
Speaker 2: Well we have to now because our hockey team might
Speaker 2: be named the Utah Outlaws.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I do like that you bring that up.
Speaker 4: I do like that you bring that up because there
Speaker 4: are very much and rightfully so, there are plenty of
Speaker 4: negative connotations with outlaws with I mean just to be
Speaker 4: completely frank westward expansion of white people joining this land. Right,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of negative connotations. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: dark history there, but there are also pretty cool stories
Speaker 4: and some pretty fun ones mixed it.
Speaker 2: Have you watched American Primeval on Netflix?
Speaker 4: I started it, I saw some of it.
Speaker 2: Is it any good?
Speaker 4: It's really so, It's done really well. Okay, The cinematography
Speaker 4: is awesome. The portrayals of characters are awesome. Like the
Speaker 4: grittiness you get from it is cool and it follows
Speaker 4: the storyline. But my one beef with it is it's
Speaker 4: kind of purporting itself as documentary.
Speaker 2: While isn't it like a docu drama series?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: But it's mixing in a lot like the cities aren't real. Okay,
Speaker 4: The storyline is is a little so my thing is
Speaker 4: someone from Utah who likes the history and studying it.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of inaccuracies, I'll say, but there
Speaker 4: was also a lot of good representation of how gritty
Speaker 4: that time was.
Speaker 2: Our guy John D.
Speaker 1: Barton from the Utah the not the Athletic Department, the
Speaker 1: Utah Education Department continues as the Western Frontier, we're learning
Speaker 1: about the outlaws kids. Okay, So Sports Soccer Radio today
Speaker 1: we're in class because the Utah hockey team has now
Speaker 1: announced the Utah Outlaws as a potential name for the club,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of people online are saying, wait
Speaker 1: a second, the state doesn't have outlaws.
Speaker 2: Well, Porter knows that that's faults.
Speaker 1: And so as we continue to learn about how this
Speaker 1: stuff kind of came down as the West, including Utah
Speaker 1: quote grew up, it was developed by ranchers, miners, Timberman,
Speaker 1: the army, and small farmers and homesteaders. The last group
Speaker 1: was particularly important to Utah because Brigham Young and his
Speaker 1: desire to see his followers pursue certain lifestyles. The disparity
Speaker 1: of wealth between the homesteader and larger interests usually was great,
Speaker 1: and those who had to live quote, hand to mouth,
Speaker 1: uncertain of their next meal, often helped themselves to a
Speaker 1: small portion of the profits of the more fortunate others
Speaker 1: through honest endeavors. Themselves turned a blind eye to those
Speaker 1: who even things up even a little. Many, if not most,
Speaker 1: big ranches improved their start by branding strays er mavericks,
Speaker 1: and then, once large and prosperous, they condemned small time
Speaker 1: operators who did Likewise, this led to range wars, murders,
Speaker 1: and hostility. Our ranches might even sanction means to eliminate
Speaker 1: smaller competitors.
Speaker 2: Sounds like it was wild back then. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: wild wild West.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's history that we've talked about. My family
Speaker 4: was here in eighteen forty five. They were out here,
Speaker 4: ranch and sheep, trying to mind their own business. At
Speaker 4: the time, Spence, this was Mexico, right, And you know,
Speaker 4: at a certain point, and we talk about this in
Speaker 4: modern form, things reach a stage where the man who
Speaker 4: holds the gold maybe holds a little too much of
Speaker 4: the gold, too much of the golden rule. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it was putting like regular people who were just trying
Speaker 4: to mind their business and ranch in positions where they
Speaker 4: could not compete because of the way that farming was happening,
Speaker 4: factory farming, the start of kind of factory farming, and
Speaker 4: giant corporations pushing farmers off their land, stealing their cattle.
Speaker 4: And back then there was really it was tough to track,
Speaker 4: it was tough to find and prosecute, so they took
Speaker 4: stuff into their own hands.
Speaker 1: It feels like the Utah outlaw name is gained some traction.
Speaker 1: Most Western outlaws identified with the common people. Backgrounds of
Speaker 1: some members of the Wild Bunch show easy identification with
Speaker 1: the small ranchers and farmers who were so common throughout
Speaker 1: the West. Our guy, Butch Cassidy. Can we call but
Speaker 1: Cassidy our guy because he's a family member of yours?
Speaker 4: I think the third cousin is close enough. He's our guy.
Speaker 1: Can you get one of his direct descendants on the show,
Speaker 1: like maybe a great great great grandchild?
Speaker 2: Good question if we're going to be the outlaws.
Speaker 1: So our guy, Butch Cassidy raised on a small ranch
Speaker 1: in southern Utah by Mormon parents. Elsie Lay, originally from Ohio,
Speaker 1: had migrated west to Colorado.
Speaker 2: I had twenty minutes to prepare on Gobert. By the way,
Speaker 2: we'll get there.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 1: Had migrated west to Colorado with his family. Then, after
Speaker 1: a failed romance, sorry, Butch hang in there. Choose love
Speaker 1: once again every time. That's my angelou jes loved one
Speaker 1: more time? Every time, Butch hanging there. After a failed romance,
Speaker 1: he drifted into his outlaw ways and infamy with the
Speaker 1: Wild Bunch. His mother was tall and slender, His father
Speaker 1: was a handsome man known for reading and being a
Speaker 1: top of bronco rider in Ranchant and had away with
Speaker 1: women and horses.
Speaker 2: That dude sounds like John Dutton from Yellowstone. Not gonna lie. Uh.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned Harry longba is a the Sundance Kid
Speaker 1: Harry loangaba ya Longabah. Okay, so he was thought to
Speaker 1: be from Pensylvan Pennsylvania, where he claimed to be from.
Speaker 1: Quote a good family, lesser known member of the gang.
Speaker 1: We already talked about our guy, Henry Wilbert Meeks. It
Speaker 1: sounds like Porter.
Speaker 2: If we land on the Outlaws, the mascot should be
Speaker 2: Butch Cassidy.
Speaker 6: In some form.
Speaker 4: I don't think it should be a certain person now,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe based off of somebody I don't. You know,
Speaker 4: I am biased here, so I don't feel like I
Speaker 4: should step in. But uh yeah, if there's anyone that
Speaker 4: you're you're basing it off of, at least loosely, that's uh,
Speaker 4: that's got to be one of the considerations.
Speaker 1: Finally, the Outlaw Trail, which ran from Mexico to Canada,
Speaker 1: was comprised of key friendly ranches coupled with hard to
Speaker 1: find hideouts. Here we go such as our Guy Robert
Speaker 1: Roost and Brown's Park, which ran through Utah's path. Here
Speaker 1: the majority of the population was Mormon, and here the
Speaker 1: outlaws reception is especially peculiar. Mormons, for the most part,
Speaker 1: abhorred violence and crime, yet many outlaws were on friendly
Speaker 1: terms and local citizens. An explanation for this is possible
Speaker 1: through understanding Utah's economic situation of the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Mormons had long been outcast themselves socially, politically, and economically,
Speaker 1: and in the late nineteenth century suffered severe persecutions at
Speaker 1: the hand of the government over the practice of polygamy.
Speaker 1: This is a sports talk radio show. There's little wonder
Speaker 1: that Mormons felt resentment and distrust towards outside interests, whether
Speaker 1: government or big business, hence the birth of Butchercassidy.
Speaker 4: There you go, There you go.
Speaker 2: I think we have our name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking me into it, and I'm one that
Speaker 4: doesn't need to be talked to much into that one.
Speaker 1: So final piece, Kids, Final piece for today. An examination
Speaker 1: of the lives of most Western outlaws most likely would
Speaker 1: reveal lifestyle of night riding, missed meals, hot pursuits, poorly
Speaker 1: tended wounds, broken friendships and economic deprivation. They were usually
Speaker 1: brokeer hiding, unable to spend stolen money. There was little
Speaker 1: glamour in the real lives of outlaws our hockey team's
Speaker 1: named Potentially, they experienced difficult family relations, long trails, and
Speaker 1: fear of treachery with the knowledge of that, regardless of
Speaker 1: the cause, they were outlaws and anyone can turn them
Speaker 1: in for the reward money. Yet it was reported Let's
Speaker 1: Land the Plane that Utah's cowboy outlaws were often gentlemen
Speaker 1: in their manner, Often outgoing and friendly, they pose little
Speaker 1: threat to the average citizen, and their selection of targets
Speaker 1: for robbery at times maintained an identification with the common
Speaker 1: people while becoming hated enemies of big business. These are socialists,
Speaker 1: these are cowboys day, these are disruptors. These outlaws were
Speaker 1: products of the times and gained, if not the respect,
Speaker 1: at least the tolerance of their fellows and the near
Speaker 1: curlt worship of today's Western history enthusiasts.
Speaker 2: You went right through it all, period, full stop. We
Speaker 2: learned a lot today on.
Speaker 4: The program One more outlaw, quick story, Go ahead, bring it.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the outlaw trail. There Okay, my third great
Speaker 4: grandfather and his father who were on the run from
Speaker 4: US Marshalls. That is why they were out here scouting
Speaker 4: land for the Mormon Church. They helped informally establish the
Speaker 4: Outlaw Trail. They hid those guys as they came through.
Speaker 4: You'll hear stories of them going through the Wahsatch Back
Speaker 4: Park City Coville area while they were stopping at my
Speaker 4: family's property. There's still a cabin that kind of stands
Speaker 4: on one of our places where those guys would hide
Speaker 4: out in certain moments.
Speaker 3: But my.
Speaker 4: Third great grandfather, he actually published in the Deseret News
Speaker 4: in eighteen fifty three one of his trails that he
Speaker 4: had staked. It went from Salt Lake to what is
Speaker 4: now Lake Tahoe. But after he published that trail so
Speaker 4: that people could start using it, he waited on the
Speaker 4: trail with four Piute Indians and robbed people as they
Speaker 4: came by using the trail that he had published in
Speaker 4: the Deseret News, robbing the weary travelers who were then
Speaker 4: using his trail.
Speaker 1: If you're going to rob the whites, bring the piotes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, that's an excellent approach.
Speaker 4: It's not a bad strategy. He taught them from English too,
Speaker 4: which I thought was that's actually interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, it's wild. The more things change, the more
Speaker 1: they remain the same. And if you do not learn
Speaker 1: from history, you are what doomed to repeat it. The
Speaker 1: combination of corrupt politics, unfair banking and lending policies lais
Speaker 1: a fair economics, and unregulated business practices.
Speaker 2: Where does this sound from?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: All serve to sharpen the distinct between the rich and
Speaker 1: those less fortunate. This is not twenty twenty five, but
Speaker 1: it might as well be known as social Darwinism.
Speaker 2: Survivor of the fittest.
Speaker 1: In the jungle way of life, justified the wealthy and
Speaker 1: condemned the poor as social classes based upon the wealth
Speaker 1: where established small farmers and ranchers came to distrust, distrust,
Speaker 1: and often resent big business and politicians.
Speaker 2: So finally, okay, we'll land it here.
Speaker 1: Many law abiding citizens took secret satisfaction in the fact
Speaker 1: that the outlaws were bloody in the nose of the rich.
Speaker 1: The robbery of a train, payroll, a bank, or even
Speaker 1: a large mind had little if any effect on the
Speaker 1: small farmer and the rancher. That's twenty minutes on the
Speaker 1: history of Outlaws in Utah, and I think and I
Speaker 1: think we've landed on the new name of the hockey club.
Speaker 1: I seriously had twenty minutes ready for Gobert and Rudy
Speaker 1: and the jazz.
Speaker 4: Hey, I think we went in the right direction.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: And you have knowledge that no many people around here do.
Speaker 2: All right, wrapping it up Thursday show, a little breaking news.
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about this early in the
Speaker 1: five o'clock hour, but we gave you a twenty five
Speaker 1: minute history lesson of Outlaws in Utah. As the Outlaws now,
Speaker 1: one are the options for the Utah hockey clubs named.
Speaker 1: The NBA All Star Reserves have been announced and there
Speaker 1: are no jazz players. Nobody's surprised about that. So the
Speaker 1: East All Star Reserves Pascal Siakam, Jalen Brown, Darius Garland,
Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham, Evan Mobley, and Dame Lillard, as well as
Speaker 1: Tyler Hero out West, it's Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, James Harden,
Speaker 1: Jaron Jackson, Junior Alfred and Shangoon, Jalen Williams, and Victor
Speaker 1: Wembanyama first time All Star obviously for Victor women Yama.
Speaker 1: So it's a different format. In case you guys even
Speaker 1: give a rip, you probably don't. NBA announcing the fourteen
Speaker 1: All Star Reserves tonight. The game itself has a new format.
Speaker 1: The All Stars are going to be split up into
Speaker 1: three teams. Day Night's Rising Stars Champion becomes the fourth
Speaker 1: entry into a three game mini tournaments, and of course
Speaker 1: we'll find out who the starters were and then they'll
Speaker 1: be split up into three teams as opposed to two
Speaker 1: in the past.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Jazz and Action I Action tonight taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: Rudy gober back in the building. We did not get
Speaker 1: to the Justin Justin Tucker story. Justin Tucker's come out
Speaker 1: and said the therapists allegations are false, but six massage
Speaker 1: therapists in the Baltimore area have the Qus Ravens kicker
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker of inappropriate behavior. Deshaun Watson, of course, was
Speaker 1: the pioneer.
Speaker 2: With all this stuff. That's probably the wrong term, but gross.
Speaker 1: So there you go, All Star Reserves, Jazz and Action tonight,
Speaker 1: and good NBA basketball tonight.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a light night.
Speaker 1: Utah men's hoops will be back in action against Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State coming up on Saturday. The Utah Women Welcome in
Speaker 1: Arizona coming up tomorrow six thirty at the Huntsman Center.
Speaker 1: Game can be seen on FS one. Utah Hockey Club
Speaker 1: back in action tomorrow against Columbus BYU Men in action
Speaker 1: on Saturday, two o'clock on the road at UCF.
Speaker 2: Did we forget anything? I think we were very thorough
Speaker 2: and comprehensive on the show today. I think we were.
Speaker 4: I'm sure we're forgetting something.
Speaker 1: No, I think we covered it. I think we did football.
Speaker 1: We did college football, pro football, we did jazz basketball.
Speaker 1: We even did a little RSL with John Paul. You know,
Speaker 1: it's weird. I don't know what this is, probably age.
Speaker 1: The past couple of weeks. The past couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I've had two really weird situations occur. I thought I
Speaker 1: was forty five for like ten days. I'm forty six.
Speaker 1: It's not a huge gap, but somebody was asking me, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: when's your birthday. I'm like, oh, it's in March, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm turning forty six. And it didn't even phase me.
Speaker 1: I did that like three times over the course of
Speaker 1: ten days. And it wasn't like some desire to be younger.
Speaker 1: I just it's like, you're forty five. I was off
Speaker 1: by a year. I did that for like two weeks.
Speaker 4: After a certain amount, they're just kind of just another day, right.
Speaker 2: That's rude. That's mean.
Speaker 4: Not saying you're old.
Speaker 1: No, you were saying that I'm old, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Forty six of them, that's I'm aging. It's a few birthdays.
Speaker 2: I also aggressively prepared my day. I think it was Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I'll tell you exactly what day it was.
Speaker 1: I aggressively prepared my day, had a sitter for Duke
Speaker 1: and had everything ready to go to go down to
Speaker 1: the Delta Center on Tuesday night to watch the Jazz
Speaker 1: play the Warriors. They were they definitely were at the
Speaker 1: Chase Center in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: Did you go downtown?
Speaker 2: I did not, but I almost did, the only way
Speaker 2: I've done that before you. The only reason I.
Speaker 1: Didn't is because I came in to do the show
Speaker 1: and I was ready to go, you know, had a
Speaker 1: sitter for the dog, and then we had an MBA
Speaker 1: guest on I'm like, all right, let's talk Jazz Warriors.
Speaker 1: And then I pull up the game, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're on the road. Yeah, so two just total mind farts.
Speaker 1: I guess over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: It's January.
Speaker 2: It is all right.
Speaker 1: Craig Smith coaches show coming up on the other side,
Speaker 1: Porter what comes our way? On a Friday edition of
Speaker 1: the Drive.
Speaker 4: Speaking of that guy, Craig Smith hops on the show.
Speaker 4: On a Friday edition of the Drive, We'll chat with
Speaker 4: Spencer Nelson some more college hoops, NBA all Star stuff
Speaker 4: reactions with one Richard Smitty Smith talking some jazz as well,
Speaker 4: the return of Smitty and super Bowl Champ ahead of
Speaker 4: the super Bowl one Terrell Burgess twintsppro.
Speaker 2: Oh very nice.
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