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<v Speaker 1>Good information on the New York Knicks is news Day

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<v Speaker 1>and Barbara Barker writes for news Day and she's been

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<v Speaker 1>writing on New York sports for well over twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow her on Twitter or x at mean Barb,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a very interesting handle, and she joins us

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<v Speaker 1>here for the first time looking forward to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Barbera. We appreciate it. How are you, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great. How you doing, I'm doing fine. Thanks? Just

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<v Speaker 1>out of curiosity, I probably get it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt you're mean, But why mean bar for your

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter handle?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay, Like I'm so old that that in the

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<v Speaker 2>olden days when AOL was invented, I can remember this

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<v Speaker 2>all right. I picked my friend told me about this

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<v Speaker 2>cool new thing called AOL. Right, and her name. She

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<v Speaker 2>has got to pick a name, and her name is Gene,

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<v Speaker 2>and she picked mean Gene. So I picked mean Barb.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is thought at this continuity, that's all. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I doubt it reflects your personality. I'm glad you're

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Appreciated very much. You wrote about Jalen Brunson

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter and how he saves his best

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<v Speaker 1>for last. You've covered a lot of great athletes. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's a hell of a basketball player and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's a hell of a leader for that team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fine line, though, between trying to get in

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<v Speaker 1>the flow of a game early for a player like

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<v Speaker 1>Brunson and then taking over down the stretch. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that that line is for him? And when

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<v Speaker 1>do you think he first started asserting himself in this regard?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, he won Mister Klutch this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that's been around for a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>right is he Adam expands all these awards into millions

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<v Speaker 2>of territories, right, So he he won that, I really think,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he can't. He really has been a leader

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<v Speaker 2>since he came to the Knicks, all right. But as

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<v Speaker 2>far as the fourth quarters, I mean, his statistics in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarters are incredible and even I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Cad is just an unbelievable player and it is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be built upon for years to come. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have a great player, but you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them, and Brenston has a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more experience. I mean in the fourth quarter, kid who

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<v Speaker 2>has incredible stats is you know also has you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I will add to the points that Brnston has. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say Brinston's fifty three points on sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent shooting in the fourth quarter. Kate is twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>on thirty five percent shooting. Brnston has eight is six

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<v Speaker 2>one turnover ten. You know, Kata's tennis is eight turnovers.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate is a minus fifteen. Brnston is a plus twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's just I think it's I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>just experience, that's just playing, and that he just has

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to turn that switch on and off. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we really saw it last year too. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he keeps doing it again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is the most popular name, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean since I mean, he might even be more popular

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<v Speaker 2>than Patrick Ewing was, I'm trying to think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a very very popular Nick. I mean, you know, people,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nobody that doesn't like it. People didn't like Carmelo

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<v Speaker 2>all right, there were people that didn't like the Knick

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<v Speaker 2>style of basketball when Patrick Ewing played people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he is beloved by the Nick san base.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a very likable person. And I don't disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with you. He's not well liked in Detroit right now

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<v Speaker 1>because they see him as a flopper.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not a flopper. I didn't say that. I

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<v Speaker 2>well about that and people got mad. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he draws falls and Ali does it whatever. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of players who do that. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, there's plenty of players who do that. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to the elephant in the room, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>end of game four. The argument has been they let

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<v Speaker 1>them play all game long. My argument back to that

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<v Speaker 1>was the whistle was blown. There were seventeen personal falls

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<v Speaker 1>on each side, and in a game like that, when

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<v Speaker 1>it is that blatant, and knowing that that had been

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<v Speaker 1>called earlier in the series, what was your overall take

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<v Speaker 1>on Tim Hardaway's corner jumper from three with contact from

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Hart. Well, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely followed by jus Hart. I think dus Hart even

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<v Speaker 2>said it too. But you can't argue a non call,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, and it's something that happened. And also just

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<v Speaker 2>Hart was shoved by Tobias, which was a fall right

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<v Speaker 2>before that, and that wasn't called. So there were other

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<v Speaker 2>things that weren't called. Do I think like Detroit has

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<v Speaker 2>a reason to be upset. Yeah, but if you look

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<v Speaker 2>every time a team is lost in this I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, Tibodeau went on and on about

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen not getting calls, and I'm not saying he was

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<v Speaker 2>right in game. You know, in the game they lost,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, So I mean, I just I just think

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of whining and the league has

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<v Speaker 2>decided to let calls go. And I mean that that

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<v Speaker 2>is a really tough way to lose, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>really really tough way to lose. And you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was a lot of stuff that wasn't called.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's more of the editude here. I totally

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<v Speaker 2>understand how you guys feel in Detroit, but that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the reason. You like, that's the reason that the game

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<v Speaker 2>was lost at the end, But there's other reasons. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that you lost that game too.

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<v Speaker 1>Under Barbara Barker joining us from Newsday. You can follow

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<v Speaker 1>her on actual Twitter. Mean, bar but very kind to

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<v Speaker 1>join us here this morning. What has surprised you most

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<v Speaker 1>about this series so far?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that the Knicks have countered your guys toughness.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a team that was known as tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely absolutely so going in you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like I grew up in the Do you guys support

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<v Speaker 2>your teams back there in New York? Because things are

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<v Speaker 2>so expensive. I mean the cheapest Nick ticket tonight is

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and eighteen dollars. All right, Because things people

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<v Speaker 2>sit back and wait and say, what are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to do for me? All right? This, this team and

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<v Speaker 2>last team's, last year's teams was really well liked. This

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<v Speaker 2>year's team because they you know, retooled. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>brought in some guys. They're not seen as like guys

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<v Speaker 2>that left. Like people love Dante DiVincenzo and what he

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<v Speaker 2>brought to this team. All right, certainly you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cowbridges skill set is better than his, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>but people just were waiting. People just were waiting to

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<v Speaker 2>see call Anthony Towns for better or worse. Has this

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<v Speaker 2>reputation as a beamed off. I think it's because he

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<v Speaker 2>has a quiet voice maybe or something. But he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have that tough guy reputation. And he has been tough,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in game three, in game four, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think people people want to work worried. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>shared thing is there's an actual one in three against

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<v Speaker 2>you guys in the regular season, so people were worried

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<v Speaker 2>about this matchup. Some people wanted them to drop down

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<v Speaker 2>out of three so they didn't have to play you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the physicality of the series and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the Knicks have been able to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>play with the Pistons, I think that has been a

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<v Speaker 2>big surprise to people here. I mean that they really like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you bring up the toughness, but also

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the conversation the experience. And I think people

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<v Speaker 1>view Detroit as this young team, and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>they're not because Kate Cunningham and Jalen Duran, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously guys you know, like you know Ron Holland

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<v Speaker 1>the third and Asar Thompson, but you know, Tim Hardaway

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<v Speaker 1>has plenty of experience. Tobias Harris has plenty of playoff experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Shrewder's got plenty of experience, Milie Beasley has a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of playoff experience. Why do we focus on Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>being so young when in their eight nine man rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly half has a ton of postseason experience under their belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because they're really good players, don't I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, their best player does it. Okay, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>their best player does it. They don't have experience as

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<v Speaker 2>a team, all right. I mean I mean people love

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<v Speaker 2>your team. Look what you did from last year. Look

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look look what JB did or what they

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<v Speaker 2>all did together. I think you guys as a team

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<v Speaker 2>have an identity. But I mean you look at Tobias

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<v Speaker 2>who he's a super good guy. You know, last year

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<v Speaker 2>in the final game against the Knicks, he scored zero points,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So I mean when he played for Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Tim Hardaway junior, he's not beloved here because

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<v Speaker 2>he played for Knicks teams that weren't very good, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>So when he played this so I mean you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have experience, but I mean it's not seeing it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed that you're your best play your best player, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is so good. I mean he's he's he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a great player. I mean if he isn't

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<v Speaker 2>you know he's a superstar already. Your best player doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the playoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience, Okay, I get it. I still think when you've

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<v Speaker 1>got guys who are making big shots and need to

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<v Speaker 1>make big shots, and they are are part of that rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it gets a little overblown. Your team

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago, won one more game, had a better seating,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet the expectations we all know, I mean a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it is self induced, right, but they're high

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<v Speaker 1>for your team. Do people think they can get further

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<v Speaker 1>than just past Round one in New York if they

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<v Speaker 1>close out the Pistons here tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the Celtics. I don't think the ether

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<v Speaker 2>team can so I mean, you know, all the prizes whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, I think for the Knicks, they

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<v Speaker 2>were built to beat the Celtics, all right. They're all

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<v Speaker 2>went four against the Celtics this year, so I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean they were I mean before their

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<v Speaker 2>first day, the first game of the year was between

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics and the Knicks, and Jill Mizoola said to

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<v Speaker 2>his team, this team is built to be and then

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<v Speaker 2>they came out and destroyed the next all right. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I just think and also, you know, Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>Nicks is a big rivalry. I mean, you know, Nix

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<v Speaker 2>to Troight has its rivalry moments over the years. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's a big rival, so I think players

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<v Speaker 2>really want to see, you know, get there. But when

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks drew Detroit, people are like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to get I mean they thought, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>everyone thought there's just going to be a really tough series,

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<v Speaker 2>which it really has. I mean that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Pistons easily could be up three one, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everything has come down to the end. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>really exciting series.

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<v Speaker 1>What will be key tonight? We were talking with Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Mahorne yesterday. He said he put right on the noseman

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<v Speaker 1>in game four. He said, you know, turnovers are so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit turns it over nineteen times twice in the series,

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<v Speaker 1>they have turned it over nineteen times. Credit to the

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<v Speaker 1>Knicks for that, but some of it sloppily play on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the Pistons. What do you think will

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight, Well, they got to get rid of the sloppy play.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't make that big of a deal about the Pistons,

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<v Speaker 2>able to deal with Madicine Square Guarden quite frankly, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, since Game three not so much. For maybe

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<v Speaker 2>people hadn't been drinking. You know. Game three was like

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<v Speaker 2>Game three was so loud. I couldn't like the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still hurt for me to talk on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>My ears hurt. I wish, I mean, and I bought

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<v Speaker 2>earplugs for Game four. I mean, it was I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. I haven't seen a crowd like that in years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think. I mean, you know, the Knicks,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get a super loud, pumped up crowd, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think. I don't think it's going to equal that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I think the distance is so naked deal.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if it comes down to the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to sort of be execution, somebody not

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<v Speaker 2>making a mistake. I mean, if it's that close, let's

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<v Speaker 2>hope it's not the officials, because that would be bad,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to have redo. I think, and that finally,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it will be How do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think the Giants and jetted it in their draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the football people, all right, I can just

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<v Speaker 2>stay away from that. Giants. You know, every every year

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<v Speaker 2>people get excited about some quarterback or this or that

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<v Speaker 2>and and yeah, you know so, I mean, well, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see the Giants head. They both have a long way

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<v Speaker 2>to go. But you know, having been a Lions, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys fought the Lions for years, finally

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<v Speaker 2>getting a good team, all right, So I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>We'll enjoy it. We'll enjoy it. One final thing from

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<v Speaker 1>from Barbara Barker from Newsday, Joining is here on X

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<v Speaker 1>and and Bros. Throughout the Great State of Michigan. Follower

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<v Speaker 1>on X AT mean, Barb, when you look at this

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<v Speaker 1>series as a whole and eventually when the run ends

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<v Speaker 1>for both these teams, because neither one is good as Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 1>neither one is as good as Boston, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue I think Indiana is really good. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>an underrated team. What do you see the weakness? Where

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<v Speaker 1>does Detroit lack?

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<v Speaker 2>In?

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<v Speaker 1>What area does New York lack? Do you think to

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<v Speaker 1>try and get in that same conversation, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think Detroit, as much as you mentioned the experience around them,

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<v Speaker 2>they they need a few more. They have a superstar

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<v Speaker 2>and they need like a few more. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>know stars, Oh, Tim Hardaway going to be there next year?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't this last year was toxic? I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the last year. It is a good question

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<v Speaker 1>him and Beasley would be up. Yeah, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I think you just need some more

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<v Speaker 2>stars around Kate or if they don't have to be superstars,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean you have a foundation there. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I think. The Knicks, I mean, they have to. I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at because what they did in Detroit? Did

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<v Speaker 2>they come together as I mean, the Knicks have the pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the pieces and the stars they have,

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<v Speaker 2>they should be. They have to learn together to play

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<v Speaker 2>together as a team. I think, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>wondering Troit. Did they must wrote something like they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people go to an you know, to yoga retreat

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<v Speaker 2>to find themselves. Did the Nicks find themselves in Detroit?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think that's as well as I've seen them

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<v Speaker 2>play as a team. The problem is they haven't. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times it's been Jalen Brunson in iso

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<v Speaker 2>offense that's not working. You know, they haven't really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've needed Cat to step up, which he did. You mean,

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<v Speaker 2>big time in Game four, they've needed other players to

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<v Speaker 2>step on on a more consistent basis, and they needed

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<v Speaker 2>to I think trust one another enough. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying Jalen wasn't trusting these guys, but you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was out for a month, I mean, and came back with,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, with an injury with five games left,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think there was just some you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they get we'll see, we'll see what happens, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if they you know, Tambadeau would almost one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent lose his job if they don't get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the series, all right, So I think you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know, that's one thing. I mean, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>you can't predict the knixt you can under predict what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go on.

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<v Speaker 1>I will s interesting because I think he's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good coach. Reaching players is one thing, though, but he

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<v Speaker 1>sure seems like a really good coach. You do a

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<v Speaker 1>great job, Barbara. We really appreciate a great insight from

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<v Speaker 1>you and Newsday. Keep up the great work, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you enjoyed our town here for a short period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, and I hope you're back for Thursday as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks man. I don't know if I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get back on that plane, but yeah, all right, take care.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. Yeah, the travel could be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit much. Barbara Barker joining us here from Newsday Here

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<v Speaker 1>on ex'es and bros. On this Tuesday morning