1 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,600 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,399 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,560 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at fbr LST, 6 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,119 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,159 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,159 Our guest today is Uri Kaufman, renowned historian, legal expert 9 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:56,079 and author of American Intifada, Israel, the Gaza War, and 10 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,039 the New Anti Semitism. A lot to unpack there, and 11 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,399 we will do so over the course of the next 12 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,799 several minutes on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. Glory, 13 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,400 thanks so much for joining us today. 14 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:09,599 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: There really is much to discuss. Book. We can take 16 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,120 a look at where all of this began. It certainly 17 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:24,120 didn't begin on October seventh, twenty twenty three. In many ways, 18 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:29,640 they were the sick and twisted fruits of a very 19 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:33,879 bitter harvest for many years. But I think we do 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,280 need to start with the violence that we have seen 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,439 as the outcrop and I think immediately of the poor 22 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,840 young couple who were murdered in cold blood in the 23 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:53,719 name of Gaza, the so called Free Palestine movement. Too young, bright, 24 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 wonderful people who were apparently on the verge of getting 25 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,760 engaged and starting a new life to get other at 26 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:08,240 the Israeli embassy and shot at a Jewish museum in Washington, 27 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:14,120 d C. Again, I think with that as a beginning point, 28 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,599 how did we get here? 29 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: Boy, that's a really good question. How we got here 30 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,319 is kind of hard to say. What I can say 31 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,879 is that the shooting, this horrible shooting, this beautiful young couple, 32 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:30,919 the whole life ahead of them cut down. And if 33 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,000 you looked at social media, there was quite a lot 34 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,719 of support for the shooter, not unlinen the guy and 35 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,599 I'm drawing with momentary blank, the man who shot the 36 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,240 healthcare executive, and we're all over the internet, you know, 37 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:50,120 supporting it. I mean, it's positively sickening. And what I 38 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:52,199 often say is, you know, if you go back to 39 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,439 the America First Movement in the nineteen thirties, there were 40 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,319 many many people who wanted to keep America out of 41 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:01,400 a European war. They were isolationists, which was, you know, 42 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,080 a legitimate position at the time. And so we got 43 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,639 attacked and they and the battle cry was who wants 44 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,039 to die for Danzig? But very very very few of 45 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,280 those people actually identified with the Nazis. Very very few 46 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,599 of them were you know, pro Nazi. But in our time, 47 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:20,840 what we're seeing is people, unfortunately, and almost exclusively on 48 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:26,039 the left, actually identifying with the killers, actually identifying with 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,240 And I can say not just Hamas, but if you know, 50 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,639 I'm old enough to remember nine to eleven quite well, 51 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,080 and I lost a dear friend that day from law 52 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,360 school where I was a member of the Federalist society' 53 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:39,879 let me say, and if you remember back in the 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,039 day Susan Sontag blamed America. She said, you know, I 55 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,599 don't remember the exact phrasing, but it was some version 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,680 of we had it coming to us because of this 57 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,319 or that. Noah Chomsky said the same thing. Michael Moore 58 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:54,439 has I don't know if he commented on nine to eleven, 59 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:57,199 but he said similar things over the years. So you 60 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:00,639 find people on the left, actually I find with this 61 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,919 sort of thing, and it really is very very unsettling. 62 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,199 Speaker 1: The name you are looking for I always want to 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,680 call him Mario because it's his Mario's brother, Luigi Mangioni. 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,960 That's it, right, And we have, as we have noted 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,639 on this podcast and we have written about on the 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,079 pages of The Federalist, there are not just people celebrating 67 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:28,040 this accused, cold blooded murderer in the state of California. 68 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:31,600 They're passing or trying to pass healthcare reform laws with 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,839 Luigi Mangioni's name on it. It's the same kind of 70 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,000 logic that we have seen on our college campuses, our 71 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:48,120 tax funded college campuses. Again, while we have seen the 72 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,000 violence in the spike, the explosion and anti semitism on 73 00:04:52,079 --> 00:04:57,279 college campuses across this country following two thousand October seven, 74 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:01,120 twenty twenty three, it didn't begin there. This was a 75 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:05,519 movement over time on these college campuses, was it not. 76 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: It certainly was. And you know, you put the name 77 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,839 of someone on a piece of legislation because you're hoping 78 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,519 that will help you get it passed. I mean, I'm 79 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,000 kind of dreading the moment when we have Sinwar's law 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,160 for God, you know, Arab God only knows why I 81 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:27,639 would date this phenomenon actually to Jimmy Carter. Up until 82 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,519 Jimmy Carter, the Democrats were the pro Israel ones. I 83 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,319 would even say Lyndon Johnson was well until Donald Trump, 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,519 I would have said, the most pro Israel president we 85 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,160 ever had. And then Jimmy Carter showed up. In those days, 86 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,959 the Republicans tended to be I wouldn't say necessarily anti Israel, 87 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,879 but certainly far less supporting. And then Jimmy Carter showed up, 88 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:52,360 and suddenly the world changed. And Jimmy Carter is one 89 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,680 of only two American presidents that actually took a view 90 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,920 that was more anti Israel than the Arab leaders of 91 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:02,439 that time. Jimmy Carter was more anti Israel than anwar sadat. 92 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,519 If you can believe that Camp David did not happen 93 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:08,959 because of Jimmy Carter. It happened despite him. Because in 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,079 those days the big word was linkage. Everything it was 95 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,199 said was linked to the conflict with the Palestinians, and 96 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,600 all the Arab leaders said, look, we can't settle anything 97 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,199 until you work it out with the Palestinians first, and 98 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,240 since the Palestinians wouldn't even recognize Israel so called right 99 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:29,639 to exist, everything was stuck. The bombshell breakthrough was in 100 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,680 March of nineteen seventy eight, and I write about this 101 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:36,560 in the book Anwar Saidat met quietly with the Israel's 102 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,480 defense minister, a man named Aser Weitzman, and he dropped 103 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,959 his bombshell. He didn't care about the Palestinians. He was 104 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,319 willing to do a separate piece. He did want, he 105 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:47,160 demanded to get back to Sinai peninsula. But if Israel 106 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:48,920 was willing to do that, he would sign a full 107 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,879 peace treaty. Weitzman writes in his memoir that he almost 108 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:54,920 fell out of his chair. That was the big breakthrough 109 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:57,319 that made it all happen. There was just one small problem. 110 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,720 The problem was Jimmy Carter. Maybe on war Sadat didn't 111 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,160 need a palace to the in state, but Jimmy Carter did. 112 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,639 And now you got to understand. The two sides were 113 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:07,879 looking at each other, scratching their heads. Why does he 114 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:10,680 keep bringing this up. The way you settle a conflict 115 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,879 is to shrink it, not expand it. So for example, 116 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,920 imagine if Ukraine and Russia were sitting at the table 117 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:19,120 working it out and someone said, no, no, wait, we're 118 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,319 not going to work it out unless we first settled 119 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:23,920 the dispute between Russia and I don't know, the former 120 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,639 Republic of Georgia. Let's do that first. I mean, no 121 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,639 one with their head screwed on straight would do that. 122 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:31,399 But Jimmy Carter did do that, and it put poor 123 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,519 Enhuar Saddat in an absolutely impossible situation. No Arab leader 124 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,480 can be less anti Israel than an American president. But 125 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,079 that was the position that Carter put Saddat in. Sadat 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,000 was a true giant, he overcame it. He did the 127 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,279 deal anyway. Knackolm Meagan also a true giant. He dug 128 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:51,120 his heels and he wouldn't He wasn't going to agree 129 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,920 to create a state that essentially was dedicated to wiping 130 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,399 his roll off the map. And so Jimmy Carter had 131 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,680 to back down and the deal was done. But again, 132 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,639 we have this phenomenon, and this is written in all 133 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,439 the memoirs, including Carter's own aids, that he had this real, 134 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,519 deep hostility towards Israel. In fact, you can even say, 135 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,959 but for Jimmy Carter's irrational hostility towards Israel, the October 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,920 seven attack would never have happened. And that's because one 137 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,360 of the other big sticking points was the Jewish settlement 138 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:23,199 of Yamitt. Yamitt was built right at the spot where 139 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:27,120 Gaza connects with the Sinai Peninsula. The Israelis built it 140 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,000 there because they knew one day they were going to 141 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,679 give up Gaza, so they wanted a buffer zone separating 142 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:36,960 Sinai from Gaza to block the influx of weapons. So 143 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,639 the obvious solution was a land swap. Let Israel keep Yamit, 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,960 give the Egyptians land, you know, somewhere else further south, 145 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,200 and now there would be no possibility of flooding Gaza 146 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,639 with weapons. Well, Jimmy Carter went crazy. He said, no, 147 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:53,279 we can't have this, So it didn't happen, and we 148 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,559 all know what happened after that. The Egyptians turned to 149 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,279 blind eye and an ocean of weapons flooded into Gaza. 150 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,200 And so the obvious question is why did Jimmy Carter 151 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,919 do this? Why was he so hostile to Israel, And 152 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,440 why after he left the presidency did he spend the 153 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,320 rest of his life saying crazy things about Israel over 154 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:14,799 and over literally until the day he died, you know, 155 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,159 blaming Israel for everything, calling it in apartheid state, saying 156 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,720 things that were just demonstrably patently false. 157 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: He really was an awful president for those of us 158 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,360 who lived through the era. I mean, for so many reasons, 159 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:34,519 domestically on the foreign policy side. You know, no disrespect 160 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:38,159 for the former president within you know, months of his 161 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:44,519 passing and all of that. But he listen, when Joe 162 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,759 Biden was into his term in the White House, Jimmy 163 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:54,519 Carter probably rejoiced and said, well, at least, but in 164 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:59,000 so many ways, Jimmy Carter was just a failed, failed president. 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,159 I do remember, as a fellow of a certain age, 166 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:06,320 as a child of the eighties, the Saturday Night Live 167 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,480 when it used to be called Saturday Night Live, the 168 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,799 skit where they had the micro dentist in anwar Sadat's mouth. 169 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,639 That's a memory that's along with Cam David Peace Accords 170 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,000 that it's Garrett Morris as anwar Sadat that I remember, 171 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:20,679 danack Royd. 172 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: And dan Ackroyd was I remember it well. We're of 173 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,879 a similar generation definitely. But you know, getting back to 174 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,679 Jimmy Carter, though people asked the question, why was he 175 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:36,000 so crazy hostile to Israel? Yes, why well, piece not apartheid, 176 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:37,720 which I would have to say was hands down and 177 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:40,519 beyond rational debate, the worst book ever written about the 178 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,320 hour of Israeli conflict. And that is a really high 179 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,440 bar to clear because there is some real standouts, and 180 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,679 I mean there's a misstatement of fact on almost every 181 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,399 single page. And the answer people gave was, look, Jimmy 182 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,639 Carter came from a certain place in a certain time. 183 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:59,679 His great great grandfather, Wileie Carter, got land that was 184 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,279 still from the Indians for a song. He writes about 185 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:04,279 this in his memoirs. By the way Jimmy Carter does, 186 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:08,639 the land was developed by enslaved Africans. He had a 187 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,159 grandfather who fought in the Civil War on the Confederate side, 188 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,720 or maybe it was a great grandfather, and he felt 189 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,440 guilty about that. He grew up in the Jim Crow South, 190 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,399 which really was a pretty horrible place in terms of 191 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:25,480 apartheid type laws and so forth, and projected that upon 192 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,759 Israel because the Israelis in his mind are Jews, so 193 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:31,600 they're the white group of privilege, and the Palestinians were 194 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,480 the people of color. And so he was always always 195 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:37,679 trying to fight for the Palestinians as the oppressed people 196 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,039 of color. The problem was that the fat pattern was 197 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,840 just completely different. It bore absolutely no relationship whatsoever to 198 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:49,159 what he experienced in Southwest Georgia growing up, or what 199 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,840 his ancestors did there, you know, one hundred or so 200 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,159 years before he was born. But that was just the 201 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,240 way he thinks. And then there's this other phenomenon called 202 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,600 cognitive dissonance, which was identified by psychologists in the middle 203 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,399 of the last century. When people have deeply held beliefs 204 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,440 and then facts appear that contradict the beliefs, people change 205 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,960 the facts, not the beliefs. And so Jimmy Carter spent 206 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,320 his whole life fighting for what he perceived as people 207 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,080 of color, fighting a white group of privilege, and it 208 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:19,360 put him in a position where he was back in Clamas. 209 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,720 I don't have to tell you who these people are. 210 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:23,720 I mean, even putting aside what they did to the 211 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:26,360 Israelis on October the seven, we're talking about a group 212 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,519 people who toss gay people off roofs, who murdered women, 213 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,200 and so called honor killings. Dozens of Palestinian women are 214 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,840 murdered every year, and so called honor killings. They don't 215 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:39,399 believe in any of the liberal philosophy that Jimmy Carter espoused, 216 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,360 but such as the power of cognitive dissonance and such. Unfortunately, 217 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:45,440 in this day and age is the power of race 218 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,320 in the minds of many people on the left. 219 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,519 Speaker 3: Do you think you can afford your own car payment? 220 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,519 The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 221 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,399 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 222 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:02,720 the economy and how it affects your wallet. Autodelinquency rates 223 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,440 are at their highest level ever recorded. People are stretched 224 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,320 as auto prices aren't coming down. Make sure you can 225 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:12,279 afford or you get repode. Whether it's happening in DC 226 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,080 or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. 227 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,200 Check out the Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris 228 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 229 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes, Pride Month takes on an entirely different definition in 230 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:32,519 the Gaza strip, of course than the Chanters on college 231 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:39,879 campuses the coexist groups on college campuses, although they're not 232 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,360 really coexist people. That's the big lie, of course. And 233 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,200 back to Jimmy Carter for just a moment. How can 234 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,919 one and I think you described it with with cognitive dissonance, 235 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,960 How can you get to a point where you see 236 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:59,080 a group of people that has lost millions upon millions 237 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,399 of people in a genocide within the century you grew 238 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:08,639 up that, you became an international leader, and how can 239 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,480 you believe that the victims of this holocaust were a 240 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:16,120 privileged group? 241 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,519 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean well, that kind of brings us to 242 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,279 the next president who is more anti Israel than the 243 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,519 Arab leaders of his day, which of course was Barack Obama. 244 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,879 So Barack Obama right after the October seven attack, said that, look, 245 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,320 we've got a face facts. He tweeted, there's unclean hands 246 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,720 on both sides. Whoa unclean hands? He's got a moral 247 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:40,519 equivalency there. What's the unclean hands on the side of 248 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:43,440 the Israelis Well, he said that the problem is we 249 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:47,799 have this quote unbearable occupation unquote. The problem, of course, 250 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,240 was Israeli withdrawn from Gaza over eighteen years before there 251 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,480 was no occupation and when he was so it's again 252 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:58,799 it's cognitive dissonance. It's changing the facts to fit the narrative. 253 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,240 And when he was president, and he took a position 254 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,039 more anti Israel than the Palestinian leader Abu Mazen did, 255 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,200 because I don't want to get too far into the weeds. 256 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,320 The bottom line was Abba Mazen quietly allowed Israel, or 257 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,399 acquiesced to Israel building settlements in the so called settlement blocks, 258 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,519 land that even the Palestinians agreed Israel will ultimately keep. 259 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:22,840 Remember I mentioned before the idea of land swaps. The 260 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Palestinians have agreed to this already because they want to 261 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:29,120 build a connector between the West Benjinda, Samari, and Gaza, 262 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,399 so that will require land in Israel. So there's an 263 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,000 idea of a land swap. So since Israel's going to 264 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,240 keep this land anyway, even the Palestinians say, Abba Mazen said, yeah, 265 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:41,919 you go ahead, just you know, built settlements there. Barack 266 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:45,240 Obama said, no, you can't build settlements anywhere. And everyone 267 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,360 again in the region, they're scratching their heads like what's 268 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:50,399 going on here? Why would someone do this? And there's 269 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,360 a really revealing passage in ben Rose if you remember, 270 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,039 Ben Roads was a top aid to Barack Obama, and 271 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,960 it writes that at some point there was a presidential 272 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:05,320 visit to Judas Samario the Palestinian portions of it, and 273 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:07,720 a young Palestinian high school student got up and said, 274 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,639 mister president, and Rose Even writes it was clear the 275 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,679 kid had been coached. Mister president, you, as a person 276 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:18,639 of color, understand what oppression is like, how can you 277 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,159 back Israel when they are white people oppressing us, the 278 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,440 people of color? And Rhodes writes that when he said this, 279 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:28,440 Obama froze and he didn't know what to say, and 280 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,039 he kind of sidestepped the question. And then on the 281 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,159 way back he said, boy, that kid showed a lot 282 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,840 of guts. It's ridiculous. There is no conceivable relationship whatsoever 283 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,039 between the history of Israel and the Palestinians on the 284 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:45,159 one hand, and the very troubled history of slavery that 285 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,360 happened one hundred and fifty years ago on the other. 286 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,879 But again, when you're judging people by the color of 287 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,600 their skin and not the content of their character, these 288 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,039 are the crazy outcomes that you're gonna come by. It 289 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,120 often reminds me of you know, they tell the story 290 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,480 that during World War Two, when Nazi or I shouldn't 291 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,920 say Nazi, when American pow troop trains carrying Nazi POWs 292 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:10,079 would go across the American South. Very often in cities 293 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,680 it was possible for the German POWs to eat in 294 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,319 the restaurants, but not the American soldiers guarding them because 295 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,640 they were African American. And those are the crazy outcomes. 296 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,079 I'm not sure if that ever happened. By the way, 297 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,640 it might be apocryphal, but okay, whether it's true or 298 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,799 not as irrelevant. The point is, those are the crazy 299 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,920 outcomes you get when people judge others by the color 300 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,480 of their skin, not the content of their character. And 301 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,359 that's what we're seeing between Israel and the Palestinians. The 302 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,440 Jews in the minds of the left are the white 303 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,720 group of privilege. The Palestinians are the people of color. 304 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,440 And then all you need is the cognitive dissonance, and 305 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,039 you get these wild statements like Barack Obama saying that 306 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:46,759 there's an unbearable occupation when Israel had withdrawn from there 307 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:47,920 over eighteen years before. 308 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,759 Speaker 1: Well, as you noted, the Party of Carter, the Party 309 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:58,680 of Obama, for the much of the history of this country, 310 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,799 was steeped in that kind of racism, and they were 311 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:07,160 the purveyors of the Jim Crow Laws. It's interesting also 312 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,079 to note that there share was a lot of freezing 313 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:14,400 in the Obama and Biden administrations, perhaps as you noted, 314 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,559 for different reasons, but still a freezing that went on 315 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:26,599 metaphorically speaking in terms of what was ultimately right for Israel, 316 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,559 what was ultimately right for this country, the United States 317 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:34,319 of America, and a freezing for what was ultimately right 318 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,559 for the security of the world. But let me ask 319 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:42,759 you this you mentioned about, you know, even the people 320 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,440 who were fighting for the free Palestine, cause they knew 321 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:48,599 that there was land that was set up in these 322 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,960 agreements that would be in the possession of Israel. But 323 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:57,119 there is a disconnect there too, because Hamas, which is 324 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:03,279 the terrorist group leading all politics and policy in Gaza, 325 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,519 has a state admission of wiping out the Jews in 326 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,160 Israel and taking over that land from the river to 327 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:17,319 the sea. So we have a disconnect between honoring such 328 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,119 agreements to begin with, do we not? 329 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the only demand that was ever made 330 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,960 of Hamas was that they just have to honor all 331 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,519 the agreements that were signed like Oslo and so forth, 332 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,279 and recognize Israel's so called right to exist. They've refused both. 333 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,359 They regularly refer to Jews as apes and pigs. And 334 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,759 for those who might doubt that, I would direct them 335 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:41,200 to Google. You don't even need chac GBT. Just typing 336 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:44,799 Jews apes and pigs or Palestine apes and pigs. Scroll 337 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:47,079 with your mouse. You'll see what I'm saying is true. 338 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,359 They say they want to commit genocide. One thing You've 339 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,079 you got to say for ramas candor is their only virtue. 340 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,480 It's not like any of this is in controversy. Yet again, 341 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:58,640 cognitive dissonance. If you open up the New York Times, 342 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:01,319 there's all sorts of things in there that are just 343 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,480 patently false, just laughably false. In many, many cases. Somehow 344 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,839 they've always got a way to flip the truth on 345 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,880 its head and cast Israel as you know, the party's 346 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:15,160 that's preventing peace, and the Palestinians who really want that 347 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,039 two state solution despite the Commas constitution, that's as otherwise, 348 00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:23,880 and every statement from every leader saying otherwise. But that's 349 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,720 the power of cognitive dissonance. And forgive me, because i 350 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,160 know I'm going a little off topic here, but just 351 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,720 to go back to what you said before, the Republicans 352 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:34,880 in this country were always the party of civil rights, 353 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,759 going back to that greatest Republican of all, Abe Lincoln, 354 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,599 and I've won bar bets on this. In the nineteen sixties, 355 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,720 what prevented the Civil Rights Act, the civil right arrights. 356 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720 So in the nineteen sixties there were far more Democrats 357 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,440 in Congress than Republicans. It's just the way it was. 358 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,200 But something like eighty percent of the Republicans voted for 359 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,720 all the civil rights legislation. The problem was the Democrats. 360 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:58,200 The biggest problem was the filibuster. So when Johnson tried 361 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,160 to pass the Civil Rights Act, the film all of 362 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,640 Us who was mounted by the Democrats Democratic senators, I forget. 363 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,240 It was like was one Republican senator who was part 364 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,319 of it was John Tower of Texas. All the other 365 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,319 senators and there were like fifteen of them, I forget 366 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,759 exactly how many were part of the filibuster. And some 367 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:17,960 of them were really famous ones, you know from Watergate fame. 368 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,119 And now again I'm drawing another blank. The guy the 369 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720 chairman of the Watergate Committee, the Senator from North Carolina, 370 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:28,240 he was a big part of that as well. Sam Irvin, Yeah, 371 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,720 Sam Irvin, you know, the country law He was a 372 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:32,519 big part of that, as well as were many of 373 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:37,680 the other set rob than Russel, after whom the Russell 374 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,880 built It was named for many years until they renamed it. 375 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,720 The Republicans were always for civil rights. The Republicans are 376 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:47,640 not in favor of favoring people of color only because 377 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,319 they are people of color. We are being a favor 378 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,200 of being gender, not gender, but race neutral. Judge people 379 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:56,480 by not by the color of their skin, but rather 380 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,400 by the content of their character, not just in America, 381 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:01,960 but between is well in the Palestinians as well. That's 382 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,799 the dividing line. 383 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,559 Speaker 1: Would be a lot better place if we did exactly that. Unfortunately, 384 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,759 politics and very evil policy gets in the way of 385 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,599 all of that. Our guest today is Uri Kaufman, renowned historian, 386 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:21,119 legal expert, author of American Into Fada, Israel, the Gaza War, 387 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,200 and the New Anti Semitism. The new anti Semitism is 388 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,680 so grotesquely sad because it is once again failing to 389 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,440 learn from our history. What happened in the nineteen thirties 390 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:41,720 in Europe, what happened in concentration camps across Europe, what 391 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,799 has happened over the course of our history, is simply 392 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:50,839 being repeated by what we saw on October seventh, twenty 393 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,000 twenty three. But it's beyond that, it is being supported, 394 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:59,680 it is being endorsed by the likes of Harvard University, 395 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,279 Columbia UCLA. That's exactly what they did. They're trying to 396 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:09,000 distance themselves now because they don't have a favorable administration 397 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,400 that's supporting their discrimination, their anti Semitism. But that's where 398 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,200 they are and where they were, and I think in 399 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,119 many ways we can argue that they're still there. On 400 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,200 many many accounts. This is happening across the world, though 401 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,079 not just in the United States. You think about the 402 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,480 United Kingdom recently pausing free trade talks with Israel over 403 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,240 the Gaza conflict, again casting what they see of the 404 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:45,799 freedom fighters in Gaza hamas the terrorist organizations in the sort. 405 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: Of Carter light. 406 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: What's the situation now in the UK when we have 407 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:57,200 as the backdrop so much speech suppression going on in 408 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,400 that country as well. 409 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm far less of an expert when it comes 410 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,839 to the UK, but I have to say what I 411 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,079 do know. I look upon with great sadness of what's 412 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,920 going on there. I do like I think a lot 413 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960 of Americans. I do view Britain as the mother country. 414 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:16,599 I certainly feel an emotional tie to it. I love 415 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,559 the Brits. You know, for anyone who's ever traveled to London, 416 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:24,519 the Brits are the best. They're funny, they're friendly, they're smart. 417 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,119 It's a joy to be there. I don't know how 418 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,920 it happened, but somehow that country, it really does feel 419 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,880 like it's lost its way. If Britain were the fifty 420 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,920 first state, it would be the poorest state in the 421 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,440 country by a lot. I mean really by a lot. 422 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,279 Their industry is in decline, their politics seem to be 423 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,359 in decline. There's a wonderful British journalist named Melanie Phillips 424 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,519 who pointed out that pure Starmer who's now, of course 425 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,400 the Prime Minister. When he started his career he was 426 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,359 a human rights lawyer, and he made sure to try 427 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,640 to hide that because of course everyone knows what that 428 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,079 means now. It used to mean some thing really positive, 429 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,480 but now it means, you know, trying to take international 430 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:09,200 lawin twisted out of shape to you know, prosecute a 431 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,000 Western countries, whether it's Britain, whether it's America, or it 432 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,880 sadly in this case, whether it's Israel and you know, 433 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200 to see them taking the position that they're taking, it's 434 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,000 just pure rank hypocrisy. You know. If you recall when 435 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,279 we were fighting Islamic State Operation Inherent Resolved back in 436 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,519 the teens, we provided seventy percent of the air power, 437 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,200 Britain supplied twenty percent of the air power, and the 438 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,680 other ten percent was you know, France, Canada, Australia, a 439 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,359 bunch of others. So you have a perfect statement of 440 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,200 all the enlightened countries of the world. And they went 441 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,279 out in the field and we literally blew every Islamic 442 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,839 state city right off the map. And I'm not being 443 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,680 critical because that was the right thing to do and 444 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960 it was legal. You are allowed to do those things. 445 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,720 Article nineteen of the Geneva Convention says black on white 446 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,039 that you're allowed to bomb a hospital if it's being 447 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,440 used by the enemy, and we did do that. We 448 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:04,440 bombed the Salem Hospital in Mosoul in December of twenty sixteen, 449 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,319 and it was the right thing to do. This is 450 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,480 how you destroy evil. We didn't get the Germans to 451 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,079 give up Nazism by asking politely and to see Britain 452 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,279 of all countries, which was part of that, and literally 453 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,200 blew every city off the map, and forty thousand civilians 454 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,680 were killed justin Mosel. And to see them criticizing Israel, 455 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:26,920 it really is just pretty shameful and pretty sad. 456 00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:32,039 Speaker 1: Well, it leads us to a fact, a cold hard 457 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,279 fact that the Left certainly doesn't want to address. It 458 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,920 certainly doesn't want to acknowledge. We've had policy built on this, 459 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,880 built agains that conflicts with this cold heart fact that 460 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:55,079 there is a movement within the Muslim world that wants 461 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:01,480 to destroy America, wants to destroy is wants to destroy 462 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,440 Western civilization, and doesn't just want to do it, is 463 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,599 in the process of doing it, to reshape it under 464 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:14,759 their idea of what the law should be, Korea law, 465 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,160 which unfortunately there are too many Americans and too many 466 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:23,200 people in the West who don't understand what that means. 467 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,240 Your book obviously delves into that and why we. 468 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: Are here absolutely, And let me just give you one 469 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,640 perfect example if you at one point, I don't remember 470 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,759 exactly when Ayatola Jaminai, the Supreme Leader in Iran, issued 471 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,599 a statement to American college students in Harvard in Columbia 472 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,160 saying praising them and telling them they are on the 473 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,640 right side of history and they stand together with them. 474 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,119 Now when you know that did not happen in World 475 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,400 War Two. There was never a moment when you know, 476 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:58,799 either whether you know Adam Hitler or Emperor Hirohito issued 477 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,559 a statement to a work and college students saying they're 478 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,119 on their side and we're all in this together, or 479 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,599 things like that, and you know it, really it just 480 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,160 sends it chill up your back. And I really have 481 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,680 to believe that a lot of these college kids and 482 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,559 the professors who indoctrinate them just don't understand what we're 483 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,880 dealing with here. They only identify with them again because 484 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680 they are people of color, and because they keep, you know, 485 00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,799 creating this narrative of somehow the people of color are 486 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,000 the victims of Western op pressure. And they all cite 487 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,359 the coup in Iran of nineteen fifty three. What I 488 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,400 tell people, and they don't realize, is the Iatolas were 489 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,079 part of that coop on our side. They wanted to 490 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920 get rid of Mosadek because they didn't want a communist 491 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,400 running Iran anymore than we did. So that's not why 492 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,960 they hate us. They hate us for totally different reasons. 493 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,559 They hate us for cultural reasons. And there's another point 494 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,920 to make here. If I were to ask you what 495 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,279 is the role of government, you would say, the role 496 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:57,119 of government, it's to improve the lives of the citizens. 497 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,680 And then you might shrug and say, was that a 498 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,440 trick question? I mean, isn't that just obvious? Well, in 499 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,279 that part of the world, it's not obvious. Iolahomani once 500 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:09,160 famuously said the revolution was not about the price of watermelons, 501 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,759 and what he meant by that was, you know, improving 502 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,160 the lives of the citizenry. That's just not my job. 503 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,839 He also said economics is for donkeys. If you would 504 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,960 ask him what the purpose of government is, he would say, 505 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,480 to spread radical Islam. That is our mission. To create 506 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,960 a Schied caliphate, conquer mecha, kill all the infidels, which 507 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,759 includes the Sunni Muslims, includes all the ethnic minorities, and 508 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,799 create a Shii caliphate. And that is why even now 509 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,759 where Iran suffers from forty percent inflation and thirty percent 510 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,720 on employment and rolling blackouts, they can't even keep the 511 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,400 lights on anymore. Still, they are sending billions of dollars 512 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,680 to hezbolah to hamas to the who these they're sending 513 00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,359 it all over the world, because that's the most important 514 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920 priority when you're ayatolha may not eat. These are not 515 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,079 people who think the way we do. They've got a 516 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,480 completely different set of priorities. 517 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,759 Speaker 1: So that all said, in the context of what is 518 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:11,480 happening in modern US policy, how close is Iran? And 519 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,279 think about this thought, which would keep you up at night, 520 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:19,559 of having a nuclear weapon, the same way that India 521 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:24,839 and Pakistan, the United States, China, Russia all have nuclear weapons, 522 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,000 but in the possession of individuals who think exactly like 523 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:35,440 you just said, the idea of spreading their autocratic ideas 524 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:42,519 across the world, you know, their particular religious viewpoints becoming 525 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:49,480 the governing principles of the world, not just their own country. 526 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:54,079 How close are they? And what do you think of 527 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,680 Trump's approach to is to Iran trying to come up 528 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,640 with some kind of an agreement before things have to 529 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,359 get to their natural level, we have to make sure 530 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,640 that around Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. 531 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: So I'll say the following. I'm going to withhold comment 532 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,279 on any deal that President Trump may or may not 533 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,200 come to with the Iranians. Until such a deal is 534 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,599 or is not arrived upon, they still have not bridged 535 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,759 the fundamental core disagreement, which is will Iran be permitted 536 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,200 to enrich uranium? That has to be the ultimate red line. 537 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,160 If they really want a nuclear program for peaceful purposes, 538 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,359 then there's a way to do this. About twenty countries 539 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,279 do this. They can import three and a half percent 540 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,960 enriched uranium for civilian purposes only. You can't use uranium 541 00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,920 enriched to just three and a half percent for a weapon. 542 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,279 It needs to be enriched about ninety percent. But they 543 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,799 can use the three and a half percent that's imported 544 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,000 and then export the spend fuel. And this can be done. 545 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,359 It's done with twenty other countries. There's no issue. The 546 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,640 problem is they want to enrich uranium, and that's the 547 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,519 only enrich uranium for one reason, and that's to make 548 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,480 a bomb. I don't know how the diplomacy will resolve itself, 549 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,359 but I'm typically the last guy who says let's go 550 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,759 to war. But this is one of those instances where 551 00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:15,039 I don't care what anyone names. If we attack Iran, 552 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,119 dell they'll attack us back. They'll be terrorism, they'll do this. 553 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,920 Anything you can name is going to be better than 554 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,440 Iran having a nuclear weapon. Iran having a nuclear weapon 555 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,799 is the end of the world as we know it. 556 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,319 It's a catastrophic event. It could mean the end of 557 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,079 the planet. And I would just say the following. I'm 558 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,079 sixty one years old. I was born in nineteen sixty four. 559 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,880 People of my generation when we were growing up, and 560 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,640 I'm sure you well remember this. The idea of nuclear 561 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:47,440 holocaust was a tremendously powerful cultural phenomenon in the sixties 562 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680 and the seventies, and there were many, many, many TV shows, like, 563 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 for example, The Twilight Zone, in many books, and I 564 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240 can remember a movie in nineteen eight day after a 565 00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,960 day after you were sure dropping a bomb on Kansas City. 566 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,119 Speaker 1: It was such a I still have dreams about that 567 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,599 with Jason Robard's wandering the streets of Kansas City. 568 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: Right scared the daylights out of all of us. And 569 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,519 you know, it used to be such a big part 570 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,720 of our lives, and it should have been. And then magically, miraculously, 571 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,359 Ronald Reagan was president, the Soviet Union collapsed, the Berlin 572 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,079 Wall came down, and it seemed to just resolve itself 573 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,680 and My fear is that a certain complacency has set 574 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,519 in as a result, and people feel like, all right, 575 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,359 you know, they've been around a long time. Russia's got one, 576 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640 China's got one. You know, how bad can it be? 577 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,359 This is a totally different crowd. The Iranians are crazy, Okay. 578 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,799 We are talking about a bunch of theocratic lunatics in 579 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,880 medieval costumes who view mutually assured destruction not as a deterrent, 580 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:53,359 but in some ways as a motivating factor. They have 581 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,000 this idea of the Messiah coming It's called the Madi 582 00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,079 at the end of days, when the world blows up. 583 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,680 It's this is very scary stuff. Iranian leaders talk openly 584 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,960 about using a nuclear weapon. They might actually go ahead 585 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,519 and do it. We really have to spare no effort 586 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,400 in making sure this does not happen. 587 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: How much of this is now in play because of 588 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,400 the previous four years under I would say under President 589 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:24,800 Joe Biden. But there is a good body of evidence 590 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,079 to suggest that in so many ways he was not 591 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,400 the president of the United States. There were people working 592 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,320 strings behind him doing whatever they were going to do 593 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,440 in public policy. 594 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,599 Speaker 2: Well, let's give him the benefit of the data and 595 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,559 assume that in the five hours a day when it 596 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,079 seems like he had his five good hours per day. 597 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,880 He decided on a policy of not officially going back 598 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,679 to the Iran Deal, what was known as the PCOA 599 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:59,440 it's a long acronym. Rather than do that, he quietly 600 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,880 put aside the sanctions known as the maximum pressure sanctions 601 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,599 the President Trump put into place for the last year 602 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,559 of his office. Now, when President Trump put those maximum 603 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:17,679 pressure sanctions in place, Iran's oil producing capacity went down 604 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,079 by all, according to all the analysts, from about two 605 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,559 million barrels per day to about three hundred thousand barrels 606 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,440 per day. And it put real, real pressure on them, 607 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,880 and it made it impossible for them to fund the 608 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,679 who these lamas has bull et cetera in the way 609 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,760 they did before buying removed that. So Iranian exports immediately 610 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920 went back to about two million barrels a day. They 611 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,639 selling it to China. And I don't know this, you know, 612 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,079 it's all opaate. We can't say there's a directment between 613 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,079 that and the October seven attack, but certainly having more 614 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,800 money out there did not help the situation. The most 615 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,400 important thing, though, is where it really did not help. 616 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,079 The situation is America got nothing in return. Iran continued 617 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:03,320 to enrich uranium, advance their nuclear program, continue their research 618 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,519 into putting a weapon on top of a missile, which 619 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,159 is what they all the people who do this say 620 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,599 is one of the hardest things to do. We literally 621 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,480 got nothing in return, and so now we really are 622 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,760 at an inflection point. We've lost four good years and 623 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,960 I'm just hopeful of President Trump's only been in office, 624 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920 what is it now, about four months. I can only 625 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,239 hope that there will be some sort of resolution. I'd 626 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,840 like to see it a peaceful resolution. As much as anyone, 627 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,719 I give the president credit that he is going down 628 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,159 a peaceful path first, so that if we are boxed 629 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,119 into a corner and have to use military force, no 630 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,840 one can say, ah, he's a warmonger. He's immediately reaching 631 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,119 for that tool in the toolbox. I mean, he's definitely 632 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,320 giving piece a chance anyway you look at it. I'm 633 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,239 very skeptical though, that the Iranians are going to be receptive. 634 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: So back to campus now again, as I mentioned before, 635 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,519 you have a lot of universities that were engulfed, shut 636 00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:04,639 down in many cases taken over. Certainly by leftist Marxist 637 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:12,440 extremist and the pro Palestinian movement on campuses. We see 638 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,840 at least university some trying to play lip service to 639 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,960 a new administration that says, you know what, we're not 640 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,920 going to countenance the anti semitism and the wild spread 641 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,639 that we've seen. You're going to do this, You're going 642 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,159 to lose federal funding. We have federal courts saying that 643 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,199 the executive branch does not have the power to do that. 644 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,719 Thus they are sustaining this revolution that you talk about, 645 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,199 the Islamic led revolution on college campuses. Where do you 646 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,079 see all of this going, Because the courts certainly have 647 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,239 taken particularly the leftist activist courts. What I see rogue 648 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,159 judges taking a very activist role in now becoming the 649 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,920 resistance against the Trump administration. 650 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,079 Speaker 2: So I'm not exactly a legal expert on this as 651 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,280 I understand it. What they're litigating is does the president 652 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960 have the right to cancel funding that already was passed 653 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,599 by Congress. So we're talking about money that was put 654 00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,000 in the budget by the previous administration, and there is 655 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:23,880 a real question. You know, if you've budgeted money and 656 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,519 it's been allocated and it's been signed into law. Does 657 00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,360 the president have the right to just say no, we're 658 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,719 not doing it for whatever reason? And I'm sitting here. 659 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,760 I don't know that anybody can really answer that question. 660 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,679 One thing I can say is, you know, President Trump 661 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,519 has only just arrived. There's going to be a budget 662 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,159 this year. There's going to be a budget next year. 663 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,159 That's when you're really going to see the colleges who 664 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,840 need to be disciplined, I'll say, really feeling it, and 665 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,119 there isn't good. I don't know what the legal argument 666 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,280 will be at that point to somehow force President Trump's 667 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,000 hand and make him fund things that I think most 668 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,880 Americans would probably not agree with and would be horrified 669 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,320 if they learned that that's where their tax dollars were 670 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,440 ending up. I can almost say that about NPR and 671 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,199 you know public television as well. And I would just 672 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,840 point out another thing. You know, there's been this this 673 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440 notion of, oh, you know, President Trump is fighting academia 674 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,840 or our universities, and that's just nonsense. We're what we're 675 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,199 seeing in these college campuses. It is a phenomenon of 676 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,800 the elites. It's Columbia, it's Harvard, it's you know, Yale, 677 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,360 it's a few others. Most American universities have not been 678 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,480 affected by this. There's a guy by the name of 679 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:33,920 Mark Kotlokoff who did a study and what he found 680 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,000 was that it's only as you know, the tuition. As 681 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,119 the tuition goes high or higher, support for hamas seems 682 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,480 to go higher higher as well. We're talking about a 683 00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:47,159 phenomenon of really just a couple of high profile, elite 684 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,800 universities that frankly don't need a whole lot of federal 685 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,960 funding anyway. I mean, Harvard's got an endowment I think 686 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,719 of like fifty three billion dollars or something like that. That's 687 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,760 more more money than most countries have. 688 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: It's its own country, yes. 689 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 2: It basically is a country. Yeah, and they've got you know, 690 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,840 tax ret as. They live tax free, enjoying all the 691 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,760 benefits of you know, our tax dollars. Costs a lot 692 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,800 of money to maintain civilization. You know, civilization ain't cheap, 693 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:11,800 and they get the benefit of that, and they get 694 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,719 it for free. You know, they might be able to 695 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,800 stop things up for now, but there the reckoning is 696 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,639 going to come, and if well it doesn't come this year, 697 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:21,480 it'll come next year. 698 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:26,159 Speaker 1: I agree with you, these are somewhat you know, first 699 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:31,239 branch battles. Congress has the authority under the Constitution to appropriate. 700 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,880 They hold the power of the purse strings. Those purse strings, however, 701 00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:42,000 do include clawbacks. And we have seen previous administrations under 702 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,880 Joe Biden, or at least the people surrounding Joe Biden, 703 00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:51,719 Barack Obama and others on the civil rights portion of 704 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,760 contractual commitments. When civil rights violations occur, there are clawbacks. 705 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,519 And I think that is the argument that at Harvard, 706 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,519 at Columbia, at other universities, these elites that control them 707 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,360 have become so much immersed and at the very least 708 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:19,880 passively endorsing the anti semitism that we have seen just 709 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,239 explode across the country and college campuses, that there must 710 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,400 be an action to stop that. And the action comes 711 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,480 from the executive branch that does have the clawback power. 712 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400 That course will be decided further in these courts as 713 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,360 we move along. But you mentioned reckoning just a moment left. 714 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,480 Where do you see all of this going in terms 715 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:47,480 of the reckoning? Because much as Abraham Lincoln talked about 716 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:53,639 this union in eighteen sixty one and before leading up 717 00:41:53,679 --> 00:42:01,280 to his presidency. This divided kind of idea cannot stand. 718 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,119 And I say that uri in context that the American 719 00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:09,719 people aren't really divided on this. It's the American left 720 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:17,320 that's pushing this dogma, this hideous religion cultist movement in America. 721 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,159 But it certainly has created a good deal of discord 722 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,119 and afraid at the fabric of this republic. 723 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,559 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. But that's why. But I'm very 724 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,440 optimistic for the future. And for a very simple reason. 725 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,159 The American people are really really smart. It turns out 726 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,000 the man on the street in this country is really 727 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:41,639 really smart. In my lifetime, I have been watching the 728 00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,960 New York Times, for example, way to this war of 729 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,079 words against Israel literally as long as I can remember. 730 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,800 And you have to be something of a specialist on 731 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,280 this issue, like I like to think I am. I mean, 732 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,920 I've written two books about it. I hope I am. 733 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,639 And to know that when you read things, much of 734 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,079 what they say is just patently false. No one can 735 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,239 argue that this is true. I mentioned before Obama said 736 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,000 is what was occupying Gaza? Even though they withdrew The 737 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,000 New York Times said the same thing. The New York 738 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,639 Times said there was a draconian blockade on Gaza, even 739 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,000 though israeld sending in tens of thousands of trucks each 740 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,320 and every year. But yet, despite this war of words, 741 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,639 pure propaganda waived by the elite, somehow, support for Israel 742 00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,400 has remained at about eighty percent. And I think that's 743 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,000 representative not just of Israel, but of so many other 744 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,679 issues across the boards. The elites might think that transgender 745 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,679 men should be in a boxing ring with women. The 746 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,079 elites might think that we should be doingder ascribing surgery 747 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:41,320 on children against their parents. Will the American people just 748 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,519 are not buying this stuff. So I do think ultimately 749 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,519 it's the elites who are going to camp fall in 750 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,199 line with the rest of us, and not the other 751 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:49,079 way around. 752 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,679 Speaker 1: Just remember the New York Times one Pulitzers for telling 753 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,079 everybody that Trump was in the pocket of Vladimir Putin, 754 00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:02,719 the Russian collusion hoax, and many any other at the 755 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,920 very least disingenuous reporting that we have seen from that publication. 756 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 2: Over the years, Tom Friedman got famous writing things about 757 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,000 Israel that turned out to be completely false. He won 758 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,159 the Pulitzer Prize in eighty two for writing that the 759 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,960 Israelis were complicit in the massacre at Zabri and Shati. 760 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,440 You got the whole thing wrong. The Israelis had a 761 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,000 commission I described as in the book, the Israelis had 762 00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,880 a commission of inquiry. Now that's called lousy reporting. But 763 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,320 then after the commission report came out, it's called the 764 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,000 Kahan Commission report, he doubled down on the same lies, 765 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,400 and then he cited the Kahan Commission for what he said, 766 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,360 even though the commission said literally the exact opposite. This 767 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,199 is in his book, From Beirut to Jerusalem. That book 768 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,280 won the National Book Award. So you know, lying about 769 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,639 Israel is a very very profitable endeavor. You win all 770 00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,960 the fancy awards, and Tom Friedman certainly got famous doing it. 771 00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,360 But it doesn't change the fact the truth, you know, 772 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,760 factor stubborn things, and the truth does have way of outing, 773 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,199 and fortunately we're in a country where people are smart 774 00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:05,039 and they do figure it out in the end. 775 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,599 Speaker 1: For those who think this is a new phenomenon, you 776 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,880 just put your finger on the pulse of this. This 777 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,239 has been happening at the New York Times and elsewhere 778 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,719 across this country in corporate media for a long time. 779 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,440 Thanks to my guest today, Lori Kaufman, author of American 780 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,599 Into Fada, Israel, the Gaza War, and the New Anti Semitism, 781 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,639 you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 782 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,760 I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll 783 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,119 be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom. 784 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,639 I'm anxious for the Fray. 785 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 2: I earned a favo a reason. They