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<v Speaker 1>How dangerous could a fifteen year old boy be? What

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<v Speaker 1>if a fifteen year old boy sexually assaulted his neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>at gunpoint, because as an adult, he would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a mass murder and get away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only that, but the double life he'd lead would

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<v Speaker 1>have him a realator by day and kidnapper by night.

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<v Speaker 1>His victim count was growing, and with something he'd brag about,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt little to no remorse for his actions, taking

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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet to review the products he so freely

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<v Speaker 1>used to commit his acts. Then how dangerous do you

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<v Speaker 1>think a fifteen year old could be? Good morning the

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<v Speaker 1>following podcast, and he's graphic content, seminarial, intendant rumature audience listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>US is at the Hey guys, I'm Nicole and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Ben and you are listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Nichole's over here, giggling away because again she forgot her intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you could literally just compile all of me

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<v Speaker 1>what do we say again? Like a reel and it

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<v Speaker 1>would be hilarious because I literally I'm always like what

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<v Speaker 1>do I say?

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be like those those reels with Owen Wilson. Wow, Wow, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we say? What do we say?

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<v Speaker 1>We just like utterly confused at every moment of time.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the sum of our show. Yeah, utter

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<v Speaker 2>confusion and just flying by the seat of her parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why it's the same every week, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I feel like it changes so often, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we on now, episode seventy seven? I think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know seventy something.

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<v Speaker 1>You're asking me that when I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>to do our intro after seventy seven episodes exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's exactly my point. But yeah, you also have

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<v Speaker 2>a point. That's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a fair point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so welcome to the podcast. What's up? How's it going,

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<v Speaker 2>how's it shaking? Hope you guys have a drink in

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<v Speaker 2>your hand, whether it be alcoholic or none, Sit down,

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<v Speaker 2>have a sip.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say mine is now an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I always screw that up because I put

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<v Speaker 1>Carolins in my hot chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>So Carolins is so delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's got booze in there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got booze in there. The story of my life,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got booze in me.

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<v Speaker 1>But We've had a good week. We've had some decent days.

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<v Speaker 1>The weather is finally like spring like here.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, Yeah, we're actually getting leaves in the

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<v Speaker 2>trees now, so exciting. But mosquitoes are coming, so that sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we've been spending a lot of time outside

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<v Speaker 1>the dog oes and just enjoying it. Before I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we go out there and just get eaten alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we actually have a photo shoot coming up

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<v Speaker 2>with the dogs too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys will get to see some pictures of the

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<v Speaker 2>pupper Dues and the dog around.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a figure we're gonna wear. Let's do that tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to go shopping, probably clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I was thinking nude.

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<v Speaker 2>Nude. Yeah, we could do that if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why not live it up?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're in the best shape of our fucking

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<v Speaker 1>lives right now.

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<v Speaker 2>My body shape right now is plato Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Actually that just was comical because we both are

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<v Speaker 1>not and we we're trying though, we're making small life changes.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a solid COVID body right now, let's put

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<v Speaker 2>it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I don't know we have that excuse anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta yeah go in here to sche We should

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<v Speaker 2>move on though, away from you know, talking negative about ourselves, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and we should be a little more positive over here

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<v Speaker 2>on Patreon because we had a crap time. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>join us over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it was so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible how many people are joining us, and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys seed to be having fun over there. So thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you, thank you, And specifically to those

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<v Speaker 2>who joined us this week. I'm not gonna hand it

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<v Speaker 2>over to Nicole because she always hates it when I

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<v Speaker 2>do that, so it'll be me tell her again.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even have it ready, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've got the list right here if you want it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want it?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I haven't even looked at them, so you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>You go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you've looked at it. You just haven't reviewed how

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<v Speaker 2>to say the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like I didn't practice. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So first off, we got des Catherine who joined us.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Andrea Padovic. I really hope I said your

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<v Speaker 2>name right. She even sent us a message on how

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<v Speaker 2>to pronunciate her name. She even went like phonetically on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I know it was like awesome, So I hope

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't screw that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero excuses if I messed that up. Sorry. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Lulia test Fay gorgeous name, Don Johnson, Ronnie. I really

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<v Speaker 2>hope I said that right too, r O Ni I

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<v Speaker 2>could be Roney. I don't know if it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>nickname or not. Mm hm, so's it's hard hard to

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<v Speaker 2>read that One's still awesome. Oh yeah, definitely, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong. We also have Robin Wedding, Desiree Hurry and

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<v Speaker 2>Darion schank Willer. Wow, thank you all for joining us

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<v Speaker 2>over on Patreon and being so fucking wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Those sound like some awesome people.

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<v Speaker 2>They certainly are, and we do have.

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<v Speaker 1>Like fun over there. We just did. I actually did

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<v Speaker 1>the episode hint on Patreon this time. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like first person I guessed it. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty easy hint. I was pretty nice, Yeah you were,

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<v Speaker 1>But I was the first person that gets will mail

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<v Speaker 1>them a pair of Jacko socks.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so they get a piece of merch. But

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<v Speaker 2>because in twenty seconds they were able to guess it.

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<v Speaker 1>So boom Echo is amazing and she's getting some Jacko socks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so pretty pumped about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy Peasa and Lemon squeezy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well should we move on to the episode though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, without further ado or what here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap? You dropped it on Amazon? What it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Tell us on Amazon?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Sorry, you dropped it on Patreon? What it was?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just gave us the hint, So tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what the case is?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my word? So it's Todd colehep, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon review killer.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I said Amazon on Amazon?

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<v Speaker 1>Yah, yeah, we dropped on We're on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, actually are in Amazon with audible and podcasts and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh shit, really yeah, you can listen to us there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I was like, what are we telling him?

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<v Speaker 1>I was so confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can find her podcast as like as our.

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<v Speaker 1>Merge on Amazon. That doesn't make any sense, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Amazon podcasts. You can find us, okay, okay. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd was born on March seventh, nineteen seventy one, in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>He was raised in South Carolina and Georgia. Though Todd's

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<v Speaker 1>parents would divorce when he was little baby two years old,

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<v Speaker 1>with his mother getting custody, she would marry another man

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<v Speaker 1>the following year, and it was later reported that Todd

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the most healthy of relationships with his new

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<v Speaker 1>father figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, dang, that's very tough. Yeah, no kidding, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it when kids just don't have that relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with their their parental figures or anything of any sort.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, sometimes, of course, it's not to anyone's fault,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems far too often that it is just

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<v Speaker 2>neglecting that relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's especially more often with people like who

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<v Speaker 1>were about to talk to about here. He'd often ask

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<v Speaker 1>to go live with his biological father, who was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much nonexistent in his life since the divorce with his

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<v Speaker 1>mom though, But you know, the grass is always greener

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the fence scenario, I think

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<v Speaker 1>so by him always wanting to go there, he thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would just be a better life.

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<v Speaker 2>For him, right, Yeah, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd was described as a troublesome child. He was known

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<v Speaker 1>to show aggressive, aggressive aggression.

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<v Speaker 2>Aggression, aggression. There you go, nailed it towards.

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<v Speaker 1>Other children, often destroying their property. Yeah, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>when I read that, I just like pictured this little

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<v Speaker 1>boy bully that was like ripping up his classmate's artwork

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<v Speaker 1>or something. You know, Like, that's just like what I pictured.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked. There's an episode of Family Guy where some

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<v Speaker 2>kid is like stealing toys from Stewie and like the

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<v Speaker 2>sandbox and stuff, and then Stewie just like literally kills

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<v Speaker 2>this kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what he does. I remember the kid

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<v Speaker 2>choking on something or something. A y gets revenge on him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa. So he was also dismissed from boy Scouts because

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<v Speaker 1>he was too disruptive, just like next level. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's next level. I feel like it'd be hard

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<v Speaker 1>to be dismissed from boys or boy Yeah, boy Scouts.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have no idea, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was never in a Scouts thing of any

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<v Speaker 2>sort as a kid, so I'm not certain either.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, when Todd was only nine, he under he

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<v Speaker 1>started undergoing counseling. Along with being a troublesome child. He

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<v Speaker 1>was described as very explosive and preoccupied with sexual content.

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<v Speaker 1>Age nine. I feel like that's a little young, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little young.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little young. I mean, for sure, everyone has curiosities,

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<v Speaker 2>especially I mean, little boys definitely have curiosities. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>so certain but little girls. But I was a little

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<v Speaker 2>boy once, and the curiosities are definitely there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to what extent That's a whole other question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. But also, well, I say, nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like kids are growing up a lot quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was a little while ago, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine just seems a little young, Yeah, it does. He

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<v Speaker 1>was also displaying cruelty to animals. Fuck this guy, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know we all absolutely hate.

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<v Speaker 2>It is definitely an early sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm basically just describinging like a little serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer right in the making. Is pretty much what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>The reported animal cruelty was shooting a dog with a

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<v Speaker 1>BB gun, which like, isn't the worst I've ever heard,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think that would like kill the dog, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, depending on the power

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<v Speaker 2>of the BB gun that bebe could.

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<v Speaker 1>How many you did, and yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>The bbe could potentially sink in the fur and cause

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a dick move.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and this is even more of a dick move.

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<v Speaker 1>He also killed a goldfish by pouring bleach in its tank. Geez, Louise,

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<v Speaker 1>that one's like a little a bit more drastic in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, no kidding, but we have heard of much

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<v Speaker 1>worse when it comes to oh yeah, cruelty. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>still doing something here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty three, Todd would get his wish of

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona. It was his It was from his whoa

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<v Speaker 1>He was from his father that Todd allegedly inherited his

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<v Speaker 1>hobby of collecting weapons and was taught how to blow

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<v Speaker 2>Huh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't necessarily blame the father for that, because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like it wasn't like Todd was a little

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<v Speaker 1>cupcake when he went to go live with his father, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And he had probably already had an interest in that

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, not realizing the extent of like the damage

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<v Speaker 2>he could potentially be doing exactly. Yeah, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a way to connect, so he went with it. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's fair, that's a fair argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, that's just kind of how I

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<v Speaker 1>grasped things, But who knows. Despite this common interest, their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship would deteriorate during the time Todd was there due

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<v Speaker 1>to his father not being all that present with his son.

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<v Speaker 1>So the grass wasn't greener, folks. He owned a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>and when he wasn't there, he was often outspending time

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<v Speaker 1>with his girlfriend at the time. Todd would say he

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<v Speaker 1>that was often delayed due to excuses his mother would make,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of sad because I mean he was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a character. But it would also hurt regardless, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>present in their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you have responsibilities as a parent, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean doing that sort of stuff your kids see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Your kids definitely see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen reels before of like a little like on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram of these like five year old kids at Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>concerts and stuff, and they're looking out the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they see their parents, they just fucking light up. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine if they're looking for their parents and the

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<v Speaker 2>parents isn't there, Yeah, they're gonna be crushed. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't. Actually, Oh my gosh, that is so true.

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<v Speaker 1>You always see like the kids literally they look, they look,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're not there, they know, and yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>does not leave them at all. So in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 1>while still in Arizona, Todd's dark side would show its

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<v Speaker 1>true colors. Here we go, folks, let's do it. On

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<v Speaker 1>November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, fifteen year old Todd

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<v Speaker 1>would kidnap his fourteen year old neighbor, a girl he

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<v Speaker 1>had a crush on but who didn't share the same feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>She was watching her younger siblings at the time when

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<v Speaker 1>Todd came over, threatened her with a point twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>caliber revolver and insisted that she come back to his

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<v Speaker 1>home with him. Once there, he tied her up, taped

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<v Speaker 1>her mouth shut, and raped her. What an ass like

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen and fifteen, Like, oh wow, shit, that just it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes your sick sickening.

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<v Speaker 2>Discussing that a fifteen year old would be capable or

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<v Speaker 2>even have the thoughts to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she was literally at home watching her like

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was six and.

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<v Speaker 2>Three year old. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Nightmare Act was over, he walked his neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>back home and threatened to kill her little siblings if

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<v Speaker 1>she told anyone what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Did she tell anyone? She did tell?

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<v Speaker 1>She did good, she told Todd would would, however, later

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<v Speaker 1>be charged with the crime. He was charged with kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 1>sexual assault, and committing a dangerous crime against a child.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty seven, he pled guilty to the kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>charge so that the other charges would be dropped, which.

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<v Speaker 2>I just mess your sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get that. I don't think that's like right,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever, I don't think. I mean it's because then

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<v Speaker 1>they're guaranteed to get something right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just I don't know that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it, but I don't have the same same time,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that really gets me is how can a

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer defend that? Yeah, Like a lawyer specifically walked into

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<v Speaker 2>court and said, we're going to get you a lesser charge.

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<v Speaker 2>How the fuck can you sleep at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I think I actually talk about this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a sentence in here about that later, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I have no idea how defense lers

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<v Speaker 1>can go about defending like absolute scam of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be a super hard job. And so is

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<v Speaker 1>it just because for the money? Like are they just

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for the money?

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<v Speaker 2>It's their job yet they I don't know how they

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<v Speaker 2>disassociate that and how they can defend someone like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would just be so ridiculously hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand everyone needs a defense. I get that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but if someone's like, you did these five things, well

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<v Speaker 2>we'll plead guilty to just one of them, and well

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<v Speaker 2>we'll pretend the others didn't happen. Fuck no, you did

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<v Speaker 2>all those things. I'm going to defend you for all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, and you're going to take responsibility for it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, I know, I don't think I could be.

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<v Speaker 1>That could not be a job that I did not do.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way I could do it either.

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<v Speaker 1>So Todd was sentenced to fifteen years in prison and

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<v Speaker 1>registered as a sex offender.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's actually kind of impressive that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we've had a lot of cases where like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets like two.

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<v Speaker 2>Years and he's a minor. He's fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they did, I'm trying, they tried him as an adult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, see that's pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. So the justice system doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>fail us there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, though I think it should be more. But comparatively,

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<v Speaker 2>that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, it probably should be more because what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm i about to say here, the judge in the

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<v Speaker 1>case said Todd was very bright. He did have a

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<v Speaker 1>this is what the judge said. This is just a

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<v Speaker 1>side note. He did have an average IQ of one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen. So the judge said he was very

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<v Speaker 1>bright and should be advanced academically, but behaviorally and emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>he's dangerous and likely could not be rehabilit rehabilitated. Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's scary. For that is very someone at that age.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>be rehabilitated at that age.

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<v Speaker 2>And for a judge to have that sort of foresight too,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming it was a couple of years after the

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<v Speaker 2>incident where he actually would receive his sentencing, So he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably like seventeen at this time or so. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>at seventeen after a first incident for a judge to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to see that and say, yeah, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>rehabilitate this individual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the thing is he's so young and he's

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<v Speaker 1>only getting fifteen years, so he's coming out, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly. It's absolutely terrifying about this individual. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's impressive on the judges side. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, the judge I think probably did the best

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<v Speaker 1>they could and like gave them the highest sentence they could,

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<v Speaker 1>right because they felt that way. Todd's probation officer wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a similar description in court papers and added that he

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<v Speaker 1>felt like He added that Todd felt the world owed

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<v Speaker 1>him something fuck off, which uh. Todd's attorney, however, said

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<v Speaker 1>he did not believe his client would go on to

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<v Speaker 1>harm others in the future. And that's where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever helps you sleep a night, buddy, because like that's

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<v Speaker 1>his job. That's just how you're probably getting through this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, he's he's got a that's his job to

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<v Speaker 2>paint his client in the best picture possible, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he has to say, though he knows he's lying

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<v Speaker 2>through his fucking teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So while in prison, Todd initially showed some violent behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't carry on, and as he hit his twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of seemed to stop. While he was in prison, though,

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<v Speaker 1>he did go about getting himself a bachelor's degree in

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<v Speaker 1>computer science from the Central Arizona College, which was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like pretty impressive, that is actually, And I was

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<v Speaker 1>also like curious, who the heck pays for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's certain programs in facilities like that where

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<v Speaker 2>the government pays for it, because if you look it

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<v Speaker 2>in the way of like its rehabilitation. So they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be going back into society, they're going to need jobs

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. So I honestly don't have quarrels with the

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<v Speaker 2>government knowing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the fact that you can get a free

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<v Speaker 1>degree like that, like, holy crap, that's amazing because that

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<v Speaker 1>shit's not cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but also you're locked away for how many years?

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because you get something bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, Yeah, but you know what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you're trying to say. But it's also like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>like a free degree. I could have used that.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, we'll go to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>No. He was released in August of two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>one at the age of thirty and moved back to

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, where his mother was living and he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like he was determined to make something of himself good.

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<v Speaker 1>From January two thousand and two to November two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, Todd worked as a graphic designer for a

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<v Speaker 1>company in Spartanburg. In two thousand and three, he also

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<v Speaker 1>began studying at Greenville Technical College, later transferring to the

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<v Speaker 1>University of South Carolina upstate, obtaining himself another university degree

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight, this time in business administration marketing. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very impressive that it is two degrees I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like right, But back in two thousand and three, we

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back here because this would be the

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<v Speaker 1>year his anger got the best of him once again.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd saved up his money to purchase a motorcycle from

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<v Speaker 1>Superbike Motorsports, not being as experience of a rider, but

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<v Speaker 1>rather someone who was learning. It was obvious quite early

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<v Speaker 1>that the bike that Todd had decided to purchase was

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<v Speaker 1>just too much of a bike for him. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>he went back to the bike shop to see if

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<v Speaker 1>he could return this motorcycle. But this request didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>so well. It's unclear what exactly was said, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was later reported by Todd's mother that the employees laughed

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<v Speaker 1>at him and would not allow him to return the bike,

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassing him for not knowing how to ride properly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple things there. I mean, of course, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just fucking return a.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Vehicle he purchased, Like, I mean, we just got a

429
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<v Speaker 1>vehicle last year. If I thought it was a piece

430
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<v Speaker 1>of shit, I don't think I could just be like,

431
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<v Speaker 1>I'm returning this.

432
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<v Speaker 2>No, they would buy it back at a discounted price.

433
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<v Speaker 2>They could sell it again and you know, get more money. Yeah,

434
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<v Speaker 2>that's how vehicle purchases work.

435
00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.519
<v Speaker 1>But then there is also this thing called customer service.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you don't fucking laugh at someone. And they

437
00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:46.160
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have sold him a bike that he couldn't have

438
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<v Speaker 2>handled to begin with.

439
00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's not also their fault either. Technically, I

440
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think, and we don't technically know for sure what

441
00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:57.400
<v Speaker 1>they did. This Tod guy could have rearranged how they

442
00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.920
<v Speaker 1>treated him, that's true, And maybe he was overly sent

443
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<v Speaker 1>or something. Right.

444
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<v Speaker 2>It's funny though about this conversation because it was only

445
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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago. I was down the rabbit hole

446
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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube and I just so happened to watch a

447
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<v Speaker 2>video of some biker YouTube dude who is going to

448
00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.480
<v Speaker 2>bike shops undercover because he's like quite a big name

449
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.440
<v Speaker 2>in the industry or whatever, Okay, undercover and trying to

450
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<v Speaker 2>pretend to be a newbie biker who doesn't know what

451
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<v Speaker 2>he's wanting and just trying to buy the strongest, most

452
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<v Speaker 2>powerful bike you can okay, and seeing if the shops

453
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<v Speaker 2>would sell it to him being a newbie, or if

454
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<v Speaker 2>they'd actually be like, no, you need a smaller bike

455
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<v Speaker 2>for your own safety.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Really, because I'm imagining the more of a bike is

457
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<v Speaker 1>like more awesome, more expensive.

458
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<v Speaker 2>R Yes, it is. So is it an ethics thing

459
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<v Speaker 2>or are they just going to try and make money?

460
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<v Speaker 2>And actually, surprisingly most shops were like, yeah, you don't

461
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<v Speaker 2>you need a smaller bike, dude.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's so good because yeah, business, Like I have

463
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<v Speaker 1>a business theory as well, and like we actually went

464
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<v Speaker 1>through ethics like a lot in that degree. Yeah, because that's.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Bad one hundred percent. So if this shop didn't practice

466
00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:06.079
<v Speaker 2>those ethics. Yeah, that is really bad on them.

467
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so, But I mean it does not justify

468
00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:13.599
<v Speaker 1>what what came to them. A normal person would most

469
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<v Speaker 1>likely accept this fate, maybe have written the business and

470
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<v Speaker 1>not so hot review, you know, yep. On I was

471
00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:22.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna say Amazon, but not on Amazon.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Google, Google one star.

473
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<v Speaker 1>But because there would be the option to privately sell

474
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<v Speaker 1>that bike and use that money to purchase one that

475
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>was a better fit for them, right.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of take your loss and keep going.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but not Todd, but not Todd, but not Todd. Instead,

478
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<v Speaker 1>on November sixth, two thousand and three, he went back

479
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<v Speaker 1>to Superbike Motor Motorsports and he pretended to browse the

480
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<v Speaker 1>bikes until no more customers were present in the shop,

481
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<v Speaker 1>and he went about shooting every single employee there at

482
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<v Speaker 1>the time.

483
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<v Speaker 2>That is so fucked up, Like that's.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't care what the fuck they did, Like

485
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<v Speaker 1>that is just never justified.

486
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>No, they hurt your feelings, so you're gonna kill them all.

487
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<v Speaker 2>That is some That is some tiny pepe energy, right,

488
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 2>That is nuts. That's little dick energy through and through

489
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<v Speaker 2>it is.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Tell me I'm wrong, that's just like you're a piece

491
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<v Speaker 1>of shit energy.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

493
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<v Speaker 1>So he started in the back killing I don't know why,

494
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing with a coaster about So he started in

495
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the back killing Chris Sherbert, who was aged twenty six.

496
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<v Speaker 1>First he was the mechanic of the shop. Then he

497
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>moved on to Beverly Guy, who was the bookkeeper and

498
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<v Speaker 1>also mother of the shop owner. She was fifty two

499
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<v Speaker 1>years old. Next would be the service manager, Brian Lucas,

500
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 1>who was twenty nine years old, and finally the owner himself,

501
00:24:53.880 --> 00:25:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Scott Ponder at age thirty. All four died from multiple gunshot. Jeez, like,

502
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<v Speaker 1>that's who.

503
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>That's terrifying.

504
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>That is absolutely terrifying because they didn't really do that

505
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>much wrong. So it just like makes me like sweat

506
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<v Speaker 1>a little. A customer and friend of the shop was

507
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the one to stumble on the mass shooting. He was

508
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<v Speaker 1>at one point considered a suspect too. He had called

509
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<v Speaker 1>ahead to make sure it was cool to come and visit,

510
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<v Speaker 1>and in that time it was a very short period

511
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<v Speaker 1>of time of that call and his arrival was when

512
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the mass murder took place. Scott's wife, Melissa, was also

513
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<v Speaker 1>considered a possible suspect for a time and this is

514
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<v Speaker 1>like a wild story, and we'll give you something extratorry

515
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<v Speaker 1>about something I honestly didn't even really consider could would happen.

516
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.559
<v Speaker 1>So Melissa was called to the police station a few

517
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<v Speaker 1>times for questioning, because it's not rare, really that a

518
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>victim's spouse would be right. Yeah, so at the time

519
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of Scott's murder, this is super sad. Melissa was actually pregnant,

520
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>so leaving like this baby never got to meet his

521
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>dad right. During one of the visits to the police

522
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 1>station after the baby was born, Melissa changed the baby's

523
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>diaper there, which the police later gathered the diaper and

524
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<v Speaker 1>sent to the lab to test DNA, which I'm like,

525
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 1>that seems so freaking weird to me. With the DNA

526
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.400
<v Speaker 1>coming back that the father was in fact.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Not Scott, oh shit.

528
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<v Speaker 1>But Brian, who was the service manager at Superbikes.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, yeah, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. Hey.

530
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<v Speaker 1>But was it actually like legal for them to take

531
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<v Speaker 1>that diaper?

532
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's disposed of, especially in their premises.

533
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I guess, but I just think that's

534
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 1>so wild. I don't know. Anyway, it was thought that

535
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the men were victims of some sort of like love

536
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 1>triangle gone wrong, right, And I don't know if that

537
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.839
<v Speaker 1>means they thought Melissa killed both Scott and Brian, which

538
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>honestly makes no sense really, or hired someone to commit

539
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the act. I'm not sure, but she swore there was

540
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:23.880
<v Speaker 1>no love triangle and that the baby's father was Scott,

541
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and she never ever, ever budged from that. The DNA

542
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was even retested at one point, and upon her request,

543
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 1>still showed that Brian was the father. It wasn't until

544
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>later that it was figured out the blood found at

545
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene was mislabeled, so Scott and Brian's DNA

546
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>had mistakenly been switched.

547
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Jerry, Jerry, that is crazy.

548
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So a further test confirmed that Scott was the

549
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 1>child's father after all, and Melissa was ruled out as

550
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>a suspect.

551
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, that is wild.

552
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Holy And I'm I feel so bad for Melissa because

553
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.519
<v Speaker 1>like people like her family and like friends were actually

554
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 1>starting to like wonder she had just like given births.

555
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>So she probably hormones going through a body that are

556
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 1>so nuts shut. She's trying to take care of this

557
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 1>little baby that now doesn't have a father, and this

558
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 1>is happening.

559
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 2>The scrutiny of your own integrity being questioned, Like wow.

560
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, Like I feel like she should have to

561
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>sue someone.

562
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>No, shit, gosh, I think it was you actually might

563
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.960
<v Speaker 2>be able to sue for the defamation, Like because I'm

564
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>sure that came out in news articles and stuff like that.

565
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, because I think what actually.

566
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Had happened clearly did if we're reading it.

567
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what happened was they had at one point tested

568
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Beverly and Scott's to DNA because Beverly was like the

569
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.359
<v Speaker 1>mom that got killed and it didn't match. So then

570
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 1>that's when they like, oh, something's wrong here.

571
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but so bad.

572
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, this case would go unsolved four years, years, years years.

573
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until Todd got arrested for another crime that

574
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>he would be caught for the murders of these four individuals.

575
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>So he got away with us for many years.

576
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Fucking dick Weed beat the guy.

577
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>So now moving on to two thousand and six, Todd

578
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:24.039
<v Speaker 1>would go about getting his real estate license. He allegedly

579
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>admitted he had a felony conviction when he applied for

580
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>his real estate license, but he lied in the letter

581
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 1>he wrote explaining the charges, saying he argued with his

582
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 1>he called her his girlfriend. Police were called. He had

583
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a gun and was caught up in a crackdown on

584
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>gun violence. So like, basically his felony was no big deal,

585
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was no big deal, and they granted him the license.

586
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 1>What time? Like, how does that even work that someone

587
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>would believe this person when they have like a record,

588
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>but that he can talk himself out of it. That

589
00:29:59.400 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>that's just.

590
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's one of those things that these people like

591
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this who are often serial killers, are master manipulators.

592
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, they are there, And I mean he's going

593
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>into a real realtor too. Lots of times those kind

594
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of people are like pretty smooth and like SALESMANI kind

595
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 1>of right, yeah, salesman, saleswoman. Yeah. He then went on

596
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to build a real estate firm which had a dozen

597
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>plus agents and had been recognized as a top selling

598
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>agent in the Carolina region. So he was like he

599
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 1>was doing good. A client who used Todd to sell

600
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 1>his home her home described him as an extremely outgoing

601
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and professional individual, but did note that he would often

602
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>talk about his firearms and some sometimes subtly use sexual

603
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Indian Indians. I can't say that Indiendo's innuendos indiandos just

604
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 1>kidding smooth. Yeah. During their conversation, so like he was

605
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>like good, but he was also like weird. That's just weird.

606
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think i'd be okay with that as a realtor. Like,

607
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>if I was had this.

608
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Realtor, I'm gonna continue on with my small pp energy. Honestly,

609
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I think, oh, it just gets worse, dude. Yeah.

610
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 1>However, a woman who assisted one of Todd's employees would

611
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 1>describe him as angry and condescending towards his partner. He

612
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>apparently would also watch porn at work, which is really disturbing.

613
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know what the underside of his

614
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>desk looked like.

615
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh bend Oh sorry, ew.

616
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I just said I don't want to know.

617
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that made me visualized shit, but I don't

618
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 1>like that. Sorry, Oh, where are we okay? He goes

619
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 1>to stand up his pants during During this time, he

620
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>also acquired We're moving on a private pilot license and

621
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>several properties, including a nearly one hundred acre piece of

622
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 1>land in May of twenty fourteen.

623
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Nice piece of property.

624
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>This was located near the community of more So. He

625
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 1>purchased the land for just over three hundred thousand. So

626
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>even though this dude, this dude was a registered sex

627
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>offender mass murderer, he was basically like thriving and living

628
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 1>his best fucking life, which was so irritating, so irritating

629
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 1>to me.

630
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 2>And I don't understand, Like I understand that they're they're

631
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>smooth talkers, they're slick, they slipped through the cracks, But

632
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 2>how it just keeps happening. It's like case after case

633
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 2>after case. It fucking bothers me so much because there's

634
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 2>only so many people out there who are like this,

635
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 2>who are doing those things, but it seems like such

636
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a high percentage of them fucking get away with it

637
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>for a long time.

638
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, just constantly. I mean I kind of wish

639
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>in a sense, not that I had like serial killer traits,

640
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>but just like the smooth talker, like yeah, like awesome

641
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. Yeah that wasn't smooth, Yeah, I know,

642
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 1>because I don't have it. I wish I did. I

643
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 1>wish I had a little bit of that, just a

644
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit, just a little bit, not like the arrogance

645
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>part of it, gotcha fair enough, Okay, So this would

646
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 1>soon catch up to him, and the sinister plans he

647
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 1>had for this newly acquired one hundred acre property, a

648
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 1>property that he would spend an additional eighty thousand dollars

649
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to have fenced. Wow, but what was it that he

650
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 1>was wanting to hide?

651
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Who the thock knows, but I'm sure your boats

652
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>tell us well.

653
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Fast forward to November third, twenty sixteen. Authorities were at

654
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Todd's one hundred acre property with a search warrant. They

655
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 1>were also at Todd's home with the search warn't, making

656
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>sure they were covering their bases and not allowing Todd

657
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 1>to get away with any more of his nonsense.

658
00:33:59.279 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Good.

659
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>They were investigating and searching for a missing couple, Kayla

660
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Brown and Charles David Carver, who were reported missing by

661
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 1>Charles's mom on September third. They were led to Todd's property.

662
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, what did he do now?

663
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>The last time the couple had been in contact with

664
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:24.599
<v Speaker 1>anyone was on August thirty first, when Kayla sent a

665
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>text to a friend early in the morning asking if

666
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>they were awake. When the friend responded several hours later,

667
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 1>they never heard back from Kayla. On September fifth, after

668
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Kayla's friend had reported the couple as missing. The police

669
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>went to check Kayla's apartment, where they came across her dog,

670
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 1>who had been left alone in the apartment without food.

671
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 1>So if that is not a red flag, that shit's gone.

672
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, because as we know, people do not just

673
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>leave their fucking dogs unattended.

674
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>No. Oh, that it's almost like just breaks my he heart,

675
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>no kidding, oh my gosh. Like, yeah, if someone comes

676
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>here and these dogs have been like peeing and doing

677
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever and have no food, like.

678
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:09.639
<v Speaker 2>We dead, we need help.

679
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So then in September and early October, strange posts were

680
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 1>being made to Charles's Facebook posts indicating that the couple

681
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 1>just got married and that they were fine.

682
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, that's that's that's shady as fuck.

683
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like super weird.

684
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>So they're missing, their dog is starving, and his Facebook

685
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 2>post says, oh we're fine.

686
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. The posts made the families of the missing

687
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>couple even more on edge as they appeared to be

688
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>fake and so random, considering no one was able to

689
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>reach the couple, like that would just be so I'm

690
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>sure that's so out of character. Right.

691
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Plus, I mean who uses Facebook anymore? No,

692
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding, I do. I know. I so.

693
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Once Cala's last now cell phone single was determined to

694
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>be on Todd's property, the Spartanburg Sheriff Office investigators went

695
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 1>there and to Todd's residence on November three. It was

696
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>on his property that they heard a banging noise coming

697
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 1>from inside a metal shipping container. That must just be

698
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>so eerie, Like I couldn't imagine the adrenaline going on

699
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 1>with Oh. So the shipping container was locked up tight

700
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 1>with numerous locks, but once investigators got the got removed

701
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 1>the locks and entered, they found Kayla at the very

702
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 1>rear of the dark container. She was chained up like

703
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>a dog with a chain around her neck and a

704
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>cuff around her ankle.

705
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Fuck girl, I.

706
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Know, like there's okay, this is actually really disturbing. But

707
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>there's actually like a video out of her them coming

708
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in there and like her being on it was dog

709
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>beds actually that she was on. But I'm just like,

710
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that shouldn't be out there.

711
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I think so, And I think I've seen.

712
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Like that's getting rescued, like that's private.

713
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, yeah, But like I said, I think

714
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a documentary on this case. I can't remember

715
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>a fucking single detail, but I do remember someone being

716
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>rescued from a shipping container and seeing that footage, and yeah,

717
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 2>it's just heartbreaking.

718
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 1>I know. I just don't like that that's out there.

719
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>So she had been kept there for two months, where

720
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>she was repeatedly raped twice a day.

721
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And twice a day yeah fuck.

722
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>And intimidated into not escaping after witnessing Todd shoot her

723
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Charles dead with multiple gunshots and being shown the

724
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>graves graves of Todd's other victims.

725
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, can you imagine the psychology behind that? What you're thinking?

726
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I know, after seeing that and being locked up and

727
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 2>going through all that for two.

728
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Months, I know, like I don't even know imagine.

729
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 2>The euphoria when you're finally rescued.

730
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 1>So Tod told her as long as she served her purpose,

731
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.840
<v Speaker 1>she was safe. She said. He would get there daily

732
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 1>between one and three and again between five and seven.

733
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>He'd take her up to the main building, feed her,

734
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 1>and make her do whatever he wanted sexually, and then

735
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>bring her back to the shipping container. Like that is God,

736
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that is just two months of complete hell.

737
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 2>This guy's absolute scum.

738
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Kayla had known Todd, though She had been working for

739
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>him cleaning houses and clearing properties before Todd offered them

740
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.599
<v Speaker 1>for rent. They were at Todd's property the day they

741
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 1>went missing because he had hired them to remove some underbrush.

742
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's so crazy that she also knew

743
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 1>this person.

744
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>It is because.

745
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 1>There was other reports I don't have in here that

746
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>said she didn't really have gotten in bad vibes or

747
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 1>anything for him from him prior to Like, I don't

748
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 1>think she would have gone if she had, right, But.

749
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>That brings up the argument of someone, yes, who's all

750
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>sly and stuff, and these fucking psychopaths have the tendency

751
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do this in the manipulation.

752
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly how many times are we going to be

753
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 1>bringing that updated?

754
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's a very real factor in these sort

755
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>of cases. It's terrifying, but it's real.

756
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>So like people who are just too smooth, like run

757
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>for the hills, I.

758
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Guess, I guess. So, I don't know if they're awkward

759
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>as fuck, you know, the safe Yeah.

760
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>So. Charles's body was later found in a shallow grave

761
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>on the property, along with another couple, husband and wife,

762
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Coxy and Megan McRae Coxy. They were residents of Spartanburg,

763
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and the pair was reported missing on December twenty second,

764
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen. Like Kaylin Charles Sorry, they were hired by

765
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Todd to work on his property. Megan was killed by

766
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a gunshot wound to her head on December twenty fifth

767
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>or twenty six, while Johnny was killed about a week

768
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 1>earlier with a gunshot wound to his Torso.

769
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 2>So you know that week that she was alive after him,

770
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.480
<v Speaker 2>she went through the same sort of shit. Probably she

771
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>probably tried to escape, which is why she was killed.

772
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I think there were some reports basically that

773
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't pleasing him like he wanted, or wasn't like

774
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 1>playing his game right like she was. I mean, how

775
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.239
<v Speaker 1>did he word it, let me just go? How did

776
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 1>he word it?

777
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>She was probably like no use to him or something

778
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>like that.

779
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't remember how he worded it for Kayla.

780
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like you had to play the game basically

781
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to stay alive, which is disturbing. And then also something

782
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that I don't have in here too, is that Johnny

783
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and Megan they had were I think they had just

784
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>gotten out of prison or they were supposed to be

785
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 1>going into prison too, so they were missing. But then

786
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people potentially thought maybe they

787
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>had just like I don't know, gone under radar or something,

788
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>so it didn't seem like them as missing. People were

789
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 1>looked at quite as intensely as understanding and Charles. Okay, yeah,

790
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 1>so Todd was of course arrested after Kayla's rescue. He

791
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 1>would confess to the Superbike motor sports shootings. Confess, yeah,

792
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and the murders of Johnny and Meghan in exchange. There's

793
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>always they always want something if they're confessing to share, right,

794
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in exchange, to have a conversation with his his mother,

795
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>give her a photograph, and transfer money to the college

796
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>fund of a friend's child. So that was what he

797
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted when he confessed to the superbike murders. He said

798
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 1>he shot each of the victims once in the forehead,

799
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>which was a detail that was never released to the public,

800
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 1>so they pretty much knew.

801
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 2>That, okay, that he was the one.

802
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>The search of Todd's property also uncovered numerous weapons and ammunition,

803
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 1>all believed to be purchased illegally, but did but they

804
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>did not come up with any other bodies they did not.

805
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Really, there's probably more graves out there.

806
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>They did it. I would imagine they would have done

807
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>a very thorough search.

808
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 2>One hundred acres is a big property, though.

809
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 1>It is, but I feel like they would have. But

810
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had dogs and stuff out there too.

811
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>And who knows as a realtor what other access he

812
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>had to other properties that may not have been his

813
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>own but he was selling or looking after for a

814
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 2>week or something like that or who knows, right.

815
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>And you can sometimes fool those dogs too, right, they

816
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 1>don't always sniff out the bodies too. So So now,

817
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 1>something I haven't touched on yet is Todd's nickname.

818
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>The Amazon review Killer.

819
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 1>The Amazon review killer, so this is a bit wild.

820
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after Todd's arrest, authorities discovered a number of seemingly

821
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 1>jokingly joking product reviews on Amazon dot Com for various

822
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>items such as a chainsaw, pot or padlocks, shovels, tasers,

823
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>and gun accessories, written by a user known as simply me.

824
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It was me in quotations me, which is weird. So

825
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say some of these reviews, it's just

826
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I There was quite a few, but I think I

827
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>picked like four or five here so run review about

828
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 1>a padlock stated solid locks have five on a shipping container.

829
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Won't stop them, but sure will slow them down till

830
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 1>they are too old to care. So that one doesn't

831
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 1>seem too bad. It could just mean in regard to

832
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>someone trying to break into his shipping container.

833
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Potentially, I guess, yeah.

834
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if probably not, but probably not, probably not.

835
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Another padlock review said works great. Also if someone talks back,

836
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>go old school on them by putting this in a

837
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>sock and beating them. They will not appreciate the hard

838
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and steel like you will. Works great on shipping containers too,

839
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 1>all right, Okay that's kind of fucked up.

840
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

841
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>On his it just gets more and more fucked up.

842
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like on his chainsaw review, he wrote works excellent.

843
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Getting the neighbor to stand still while you chase him

844
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>with it is hard enough without having an easy to

845
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>use chainsaw.

846
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering, like, are these progressive, Like well, I don't know.

847
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is the order that that

848
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 1>he wrote them or anything.

849
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>But but I'm just thinking in the perspective of I mean,

850
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.840
<v Speaker 2>as a killer gets more and more cocky because you're

851
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>getting away with things. He's probably doing more and more

852
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>boastful tight.

853
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, he was getting away with.

854
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>A lot of things, probably getting off on this sort

855
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>of sho.

856
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So there is another written for a folding shovel. It's

857
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.400
<v Speaker 1>mus much worse. It read keeping car for when you

858
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 1>have to hide the bodies and you left the full

859
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>size shovel at home does not come with a midget,

860
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 1>which would have been nice.

861
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>That's offensive, but there I understand the humor it, yeah.

862
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>But still, and then he's also talking about the bearing bodies. Yes,

863
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>like what the frig? So this is the last one

864
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll read. It was on a knife and it says

865
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>haven't stabbed anyone yet yet, but I'm keeping the dream

866
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>alive and when I do, it will be with a

867
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>quality tool like this.

868
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah, that one is just dark that there's no

869
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.599
<v Speaker 2>humor in that. That's just dark.

870
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the reviewer's wishless page was listed like listed

871
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>his name as Todd coolhep.

872
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 2>So you know, as someone who really likes to do reviews,

873
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.679
<v Speaker 2>you think he would have just reviewed that bike shop

874
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 2>instead of going into the gun. Just no shit.

875
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Actually I even said something about that earlier. He had

876
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.920
<v Speaker 1>just done a review a one star and saved four

877
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>people's lives. Todd was charged with four counts of murder

878
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.320
<v Speaker 1>in relation to the Superbike murders and one count of

879
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping in relation to Kayla's abduction. He was later charged

880
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 1>with three additional counts of murder for the murders of Charles,

881
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Johnny and Meghan, along with one additional count of kidnapping

882
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and three counts of possession of a weapon during the

883
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 1>commission of a violent crime. There were also civil lawsuits

884
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>filed against him from relatives of the Superbike murders and

885
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Kayla herself. So seventeen, Todd pleaded guilty to seven counts

886
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 1>of murder, two counts of kidnapping, and one count of

887
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 1>criminal sexual assault. He pleaded guilty to be spare from

888
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>capital punishment.

889
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I've got a whole boat of emotions for that one.

890
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He was sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences without

891
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of parole.

892
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Good. Good, At least he's locked up forever.

893
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this guy, like, I feel like he is

894
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>getting sentenced fairly well. But then he also just like

895
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 1>really got away with things for far too long too.

896
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did, he really did.

897
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So although his defense swore at his sentencing that

898
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>there were no more victims, there has been a lot

899
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of speculation that Todd's victim count is much higher than seven.

900
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't be surprised.

901
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>The superbike mass murder happened in two thousand and three

902
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and then he didn't strike again until twenty fifteen. That

903
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is like, that's a big gap.

904
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.440
<v Speaker 2>That is huge generally with these sort of things, like

905
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 2>you see people with the these killer tendencies. If for

906
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.159
<v Speaker 2>lack of better words, there's there's sometimes gaps and there's

907
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 2>usually a reason for it. I mean, we've covered some

908
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>before where a girlfriend or a kid's or something like that.

909
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 2>But he doesn't have any reasons for that gap. So

910
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 2>anytime there is a gap other than reasons, they go

911
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 2>in hiding. He had no reason to go into hiding.

912
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, especially because he I mean, he did that mass

913
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>murder and broad daylighting got completely away with it. So

914
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that is in his mind that would have just probably

915
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>feel the fire right.

916
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>If anything, he probably got a high from it and

917
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it again.

918
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So.

919
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Not to say that he couldn't have gone that long

920
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.280
<v Speaker 2>without doing it, but the odds are pretty fucking.

921
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 1>S I know so Todd himself though also repeatedly admitted

922
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 1>there are at least two other murders, at least at

923
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>least because there are other times where he would admit that.

924
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So here on the next sentence, he even told his

925
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>mother there are other victims when she and when she

926
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>asked how many, his response was, you do not have

927
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 1>enough fingers.

928
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that quote actually before. I've heard about that.

929
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so police had they have began investigating, searching through

930
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 1>like unsolved homicides, as Todd claimed to have shot a

931
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>victim in Arizona during his interrogation. They also named Todd

932
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 1>as a person of interest in an unsolved bank robbery

933
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and triple homicide that happened in in guer South Carolina,

934
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and that was the same year that the superbike murders

935
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>took place, but there was no definitive link and Todd

936
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 1>was had denied.

937
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Any involvement, of course he did.

938
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 1>He has yet to give authorities any further details into

939
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 1>more crimes he's committed.

940
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, like, what's what's the point of him buttoning up?

941
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>He's behind bars, no chance for right now.

942
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>But then also it's probably a game, like maybe one

943
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 1>he's saving it for something like I don't know see.

944
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>For me, And I mean, I don't have this mindset,

945
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>so I could be way off, or at least I

946
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 2>really hope I don't have this mindset.

947
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Probably I'm hoping so too well.

948
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing someone like that being behind bars. The only

949
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>way he's going to ever relay or relive these sort

950
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of feelings of euphoria doing these things again is by

951
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 2>discussing with the cops. You know his past. So there's

952
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 2>two options. One, like you say, prolonging it and having

953
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 2>these games with the cops, but eventually your game's gonna

954
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>run out and you're gonna die and people just won't

955
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>know about it. So how long are you gonna go?

956
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Or Two, you tell the story, you tell how many

957
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 2>victims are, you say where the bodies are, you have

958
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.760
<v Speaker 2>major headlines about it, and you go down in history

959
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>with your body count, which would probably make him feel

960
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as big as he possibly could. Yeah, that's my thought

961
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 2>process and how I think like they would feel. I

962
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 2>think they have those two options. Deny it, play games

963
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>which is minimal, or announce it and be have that

964
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 2>body count as high as you can.

965
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he was all about his body count being

966
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 1>high like he wanted it high.

967
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Most of them are.

968
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.679
<v Speaker 1>And I mean he's only but he's only like fifty

969
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 1>one years old, right, so is he Like that's pretty young?

970
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, so is he holding out for something?

971
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, I don't know. I don't know,

972
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 1>but it would be very much so, like you said,

973
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 1>probably in his best interestice to come out with it.

974
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, honestly, you have people who at rest

975
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>then you really do.

976
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he doesn't give a shit about that.

977
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 2>No, but in his perspective, at least he could then

978
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 2>for lack of better words, and I hate to say

979
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it like this and give him that sort of tangible credit,

980
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.800
<v Speaker 2>but like go down in history read with his body

981
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 2>counting hum and his story and what he did, and

982
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, I mean that fucking sickens me to

983
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>say it, but you know.

984
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 1>What I mean, Yeah, I know what you mean. So anyway,

985
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>that's the story.

986
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 2>That's that Fuck that guy. Yeah, Honestly, the whole best

987
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 2>part of this story, because this guy's a piece of shit,

988
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was the whole Jerry Springer moment with the DNA being

989
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>mixed up.

990
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's Yeah, there was a lot of really like

991
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>crazy little didbits in this And the fact too that

992
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 1>he went and did Amazon reviews is.

993
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>That just shows me easy what kind of fucking person

994
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.559
<v Speaker 2>he is. I mean, if anything else, doesn't you know

995
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

996
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but then that he could be has still

997
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>been such a highly successful realtor too. Oh that just

998
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:44.760
<v Speaker 1>makes me ill.

999
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, like you said, his intelligence, right.

1000
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so and he was a smooth talker, so he

1001
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>probably knew really he probably did sold houses really well.

1002
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Just because he's smart doesn't mean he's a good person.

1003
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>No, oh gosh, not at all.

1004
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that was a good case. Good job, Yeah,

1005
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 2>there you go. Good job covering it and delivering it

1006
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and giving us Jerry, Jerry, that was all you. Well,

1007
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you delivered it. I was just the crowd

1008
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 2>chanting at you. You were Jerry Springer. Oh my gosh.

1009
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed that.

1010
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Mika would have been that bald bouncer guy. What's it, Steve?

1011
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I think, well, I'm not sure. Yeah, there was some

1012
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 2>bouncers off to the side. Our dogs would have been

1013
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the bouncers.

1014
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Kiwi would have been the true bouncer.

1015
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you don't want to fuck with Kiwi. No, you

1016
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:32.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely know old man Kiwi. All right, well, thanks thanks

1017
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>for being here, thanks for the awesome episode. Bit you

1018
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>want to you want to give everyone the rundown in

1019
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 2>our socials this time or you want me to keep

1020
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>doing it?

1021
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean you have this spiel down pat here.

1022
00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 1>But we're on what are we on? We're on Instagram,

1023
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>We're on Twitter. We have Patreon, which is super cool,

1024
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and we have a website.

1025
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 2>And we have a Facebook page.

1026
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Did I not say Facebook?

1027
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>You didn't? You said in stuff but you moved on.

1028
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, insince where it's at. But no, Facebook is cool too. Yeah,

1029
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 1>so there's actually a lot of cool people on Facebook too.

1030
00:53:59.320 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 1>There is.

1031
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.119
<v Speaker 2>So we have yeah, Instagram, Facebook, website, Patreon, and of

1032
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 2>course the newly founded Twitter, which we got to get

1033
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a little more active on.

1034
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And we have merch and we have merch Merch, Merch, merch.

1035
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So go join us on any of those platforms

1036
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 2>if you feel so inclined. If not, we'll just see

1037
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you next week. We appreciate you listening, we appreciate you

1038
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>being here, and we appreciate how wicked you guys are. So,

1039
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<v Speaker 2>of course, until next time, stay wicked.