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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. I'll

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tell you what's going on here, Molly.

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Speaker 2: Where I am?

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Speaker 1: It's hot. You're in Colorado. I'm on the East Coast.

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Is it hot there as well?

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful in Colorado. It usually is, and it is dry,

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and it is warm but bearable. And every time I

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open up my weather app and see that it says

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it's like ninety eight in Virginia, but it feels like

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one hundred and ten. I am happy to be here,

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although I'll be returning shortly.

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Speaker 2: Anywhere else it's hot, Molly.

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Speaker 1: The Middle East? Oh, okay, come close, close.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 3: What's happening there?

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Speaker 1: Well, things have cooled down since last we spoke. The

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United States got involved in the war against Iran, and

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since then there's also been a ceasefire. I suppose we

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should talk first about America's involvement it I guess last weekend,

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or yeah, I forgot which.

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Speaker 3: Today, Actually they dropped Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Saturday, Okay, the US dropped fourteen thirty thousand pound bombs

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on the three nuclear facilities in Iran. I think they

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launched a bunch of Tomahawk missiles as well, from some yeah,

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limited precision strike. In my view, it's clear, it seems

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that for the Israelis to have taken care of those

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sites would have meant far longer war, maybe even landing

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some ops. I don't know, you know, who knows what

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kind of planning they have going on. But obviously the

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Israelis had more than one reason for being in this

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war with Iran, which in my view Iran began on

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October seventh, But obviously the propelling.

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Speaker 2: Reason, or the reason that.

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Speaker 1: They needed to do it was to stop the Uranian

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nuclear program. What was your reaction when that happened? Did

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you expect us to get involved? I know, I don't

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think that you were a fan of the idea initially, So.

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Speaker 3: Sorry for my pause there. First off, I've been off

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the grid. I've been in the mountains of Colorado, and

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I arrived into a town on Saturday night and was

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hanging out with some family of Marx actually, and we

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were watching surfing on the river, which is a weird thing.

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Have you ever seen that where people can surf on

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a river? No, So they build the I don't know,

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it's like a dip in the river. It's a manufactured

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dip and you just can get out there on a

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surfboard and you can ride for a while. And it

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was very popular in this town. And we were just

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having such a good time watching people young and old

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surfing and then biting it. And you know, also whitewater

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rafts are trying to make it through this surf area

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and some of them didn't make it, you know, they

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would capsize or whatever. And it was just a really

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fun thing. And it was also International Surfing Day June

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twenty first, So I'm I take a picture of the surfers,

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and I take a picture of the handwritten International Surfing

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Day board and I'm like tweeting, Happy International Surfing Day.

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And then as soon as it posts, I see a

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picture of one of those big bombs being dropped on

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one of the nuclear sites and I was like, this

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is not an appropriate tweet at a time when we've

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clearly just dropped a massive ordinance on you know, the

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bad guys. So That's how I realized that we were,

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that we had done this and it had happened like

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many hours earlier. I just had no idea because we

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didn't have radios on. We didn't have you know, we

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weren't following the news, and so I don't know. I

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was I'm I'm of this. I was of the same

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mixed mind. Now I'm thrilled by the way, but on

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that day, I was worried, well, you know, hopeful that

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it worked out well because Iran can't have nuclear weapons, so,

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you know, supportive of that part, nervous that there would

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be some kind of massive response on Israel or on

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American troops, and just kind of praying, what do you

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think when it happened.

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Speaker 1: I hate to use the word happy when it comes

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to war, but I was grateful. I guess that we

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we did this for numerous reasons. I mean, I'd like

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to take a step back and just talk about Donald

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Speaker 2: And everyone kind of harped.

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Speaker 1: On his claim that he was going to wait two weeks,

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but he actually chose his words carefully there. He said

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within two weeks in two days after the statement is

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within the two week period. I think it was another faint,

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not that you really needed it. Because Israel had taken

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out all air defenses, we can essentially do what we

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wanted to them. I think the whole operation, just now

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that it was successful, we'll talk about that a little

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bit later, is that I think Donald Trump, as far

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as US foreign policy goes, has now moved US past

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Iraq in a way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you will agree with this.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of rejected the Tucker Carlson factions, which I

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think are isolationist ideas, and he rejected the neo conservative

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ideas that we have to clean up everywhere we go

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and make sure everyone has a regime change.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see regime change there if I knew

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it was going to work out well for the people.

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We don't know. It was never in the cards. We're

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never landing troops there to do that, and I don't

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think so Israel is playing psychological warfare with the with

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the clerics there, trying to scare them. It's sad for

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the people because I think they're gonna come down hard

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on them, considering all the things that Mosad probably did

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within the country. But I think we've moved past that

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and we showed. I think Donald Trump returned a level

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of deterrence to the Middle East. When we say something,

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we mean it. I think people are going to be

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less inclined to do things we don't want them to

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do as far as nuclear proliferation and other things. As

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long as Donald Trump's president, I don't know the future

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with the future holds, so I think that those things

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matter as well beyond just what happened in Iran.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that.

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Speaker 3: Kind of similar I think that the vast majority of

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American people have long been in that area that you

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just described as it being in between, like the you

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can never go to war war any use of the

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military is bad kind of posture, and the never met

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a war. I didn't like posture that is so prominent

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among like elected Republicans, some elected Republicans and some you know,

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TV pundits and stuff like that. I think most Americans

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have long been in that middle ground, which is when

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we have to do something, we do it, and we

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do it to completion, we win it, we do it well,

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and then we don't get embroiled in a long, messy thing.

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So that was another thing that made me nervous. It

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was like the next day on Sunday, I feel like

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when Trump tweeted out, you know, some people say regime

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change is a politically incorrect word, but I think it's

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a beautiful phrase to use for Iran. And I'm like, okay, okay,

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George W. Bush, like, where are we going here? And

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it seems like he was more doing that as a

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reminder that we could and that Iran really really should

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move to cease fire.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think it was a way to scare the

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Mulas into not surrendering. They were never going to surrender.

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That doesn't happen in the Islamic world in the way

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it might happen in a European war or something or

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you know, but to yeah, relent immediately when they fired

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those missiles on the US base.

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Speaker 2: And Katar I knew it was over.

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Speaker 1: It was just they telegraphed that attack for like three hours.

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Speaker 2: It was a domestic face saving maneuver.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, later we learned they had actually told the quitar exactly.

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Speaker 2: What was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And that's this is a hallmark of Middle East wars.

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The same thing happened with the Israelis in seventy three.

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You had to make sadt not lose complete face. It's

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impossible for them to surrender or whatever if they look

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like they've been humiliated. But the Mulas were humiliated. Their

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whole air defense was just knocked out in the first

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DAID all their generals were basically all their top generals

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were basically assassinated within the first few hours. This is

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one of the most impressive military operations in the twenty

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first century. Another thing I just want quickly want to

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say about Donald Trump was he understands something I think

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that a lot of people who are maybe on the

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non interventionist side don't care very much about. Is that

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superpowers don't act terrified of threats or of other nations.

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People should be terrified of us, And I think using

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your power and for something good. It wasn't just like oh,

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shock in awe. There was a reason for this attack.

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I think also lets people know that they should have

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a reason to be scared of the United States if

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they undermine our interest, they hurt our people. Let's not

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forget Iran has been an enemy of the United States

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for forty five years. They've killed Americans, they take hostages

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even now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to say when you

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said you think this war started on October seventh, I

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do too. I mean, you can say the war has

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been long going on, but October seventh is the reasonable

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date to set for this most recent phase of the war.

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been at war with Iran since nineteen seventy nine or

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you know, when they took the hostages, and I'm like, yeah,

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I get that, but you have to respond quickly to

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things and you can't let them fester for fifty years.

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And viewing this as a more recent conflict I think

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is helpful for all parties. It's a way to avoid

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getting like dragged into a long, disturbing, never ending war.

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Is when you understand, like, okay, Iran, through its proxies,

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declared war on Israel on October seventh. I mean, they've

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really been calling for the death of Israel for much

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longer than that, but this was you know, that's when

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it started with moss has Bola also started right then,

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and Israel's been responding and we've been helping Israel respond

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and this as part of that.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that sentiment. You should have reacted to

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the House. That's shaking when it happened, et cetera. But

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as an old guy, I do remember those things, you know,

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and I's it feels like we've been pushed around by

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some bully when it should be the Well, we shouldn't

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be a bully, but we shouldn't be pushed around.

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Speaker 2: But I just won't quickly also talk about this.

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Speaker 1: So if the war started on the seventh, and obviously

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Israel was unprepared for Hamas's attack, and it is still

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something I don't think that there's been a reckoning for

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in the Israeli government. Think about what they've done since then.

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They just attacked Iran and his Balla did nothing. His

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Bola is also decapitated. The Syrian airspace was wide open.

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talking to Syria, possibly bringing them into the Abrahamical That

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is just mind boggling. Russia's out of Syria, right, Russia

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didn't even turn the Iatolus calls during this war, even

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though the Iranians had been said, oh and.

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Speaker 3: You heard Trump say that. That Putin called and was like,

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do you need help with Iran? And Trump said no,

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I need help with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have enough on.

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Speaker 3: Plate, the fact that Putin was offering help even here.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, so and Hamas's is decimated, They're still there.

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It's much more difficult. It's difficult situation in a different sense.

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But so they've won the wider worn in real way,

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and there was a chance for peace here. Listen, we

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can talk about this in a minute. But also China,

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by the way, which a lot of people thought would

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get involved. I mean that the idea that they're going

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to get involved in a war with the United States,

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right they are over Iran.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. Most they just want their oil.

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Speaker 1: When the Iranians started to threaten that they were going

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to close the Straight of Harbus, the Chinese were like, nah,

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you're not doing that.

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Speaker 2: We get forty five.

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Speaker 1: Percent of our oil through there runs no enemies, allies,

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and it's in big trouble. Anyway, I think it was

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a real success and how we should be finding wars

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if we have to, and it's not really I wouldn't

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to this thing about the two extremes and how Trump

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was smack dab in the middle. I do think so

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when I look at the isolationists, I hate that word,

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but it actually can work for the then the extreme

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non interventionists, the restrainers, they did not seem to be

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acting like Iran with nuclear capabilities was a threat. Now,

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it might not be a threat to the United States

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because they still couldn't reach the United States with their nukes,

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but it's certainly a threat to the civilized order, to

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the world, to Europe, to Israel. Right. Yeah, they never

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seemed to acknowledge that, and I just think that's like

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a big reason why some of them weren't taken seriously.

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a little too gleeful about going to war with Iran

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and not recognizing that war always has tremendous downsides, whether

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it's financial cost that you know, the amount of money

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being spent on that is not being spent on domestic priorities,

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or the chance of loss of life. The people you

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bomb always get a vote in how they're going to respond,

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and you can't control that entirely. And they didn't seem

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to recognize that in a way that also made them

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seem extremely unserious. And I think the way this has

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gone thus far. I mean, it's like you get nervous

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speaking too quickly because anything could happen in the hours

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and days and weeks to come. But seems like it

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went really well for people who want to use our

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military to achieve our goals and then and then return

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into the United States, right.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: The Iraq War, especially with some younger people, and I

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noticed who I will call isolations. I think there were

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people who are like, yeah, we shouldn't have been involved

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in World War two, are actually showing me that they

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don't think that we should be involved in any war

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unless someone's landing in California, you know, parwatrooping into San

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Diego or something. I see people saying, yeah, this has

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nothing to do with us, This is Israel's problem. Yeah,

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of course it is Israel. More of Israel's problem because

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they're right there. But I'm just going to give you

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an example that's not as outlandish as it seems. Let's

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say Iran, which did send people here and to Europe

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to possibly try to assassinate Donald Trump. But let's say

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they're just assassinating ambassadors or whatever they're doing. If they

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have a nuclear weapon, there is literally nothing we can

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do about it, and if we did, there's the possibility

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that nuclear war would happen. So that's dangerous. It's dangerous

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that a big oil producing country has nuclear weapons that

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can blackmail the world. Listen, everyone's saying, oh, I don't

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care about the streets near Iran because we don't get

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most of our oil there. That's not how oil works.

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It's a fungible commodity. The prices will go up if

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you cut off a major producer that matters to us.

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Speaker 2: Our economy could crash. Things like that.

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Speaker 1: But I also think the Iraq War created this idea

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that every conflict we get into will spiral into some

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forever war or World War three, or it's.

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Speaker 2: Not how the world actually works.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, that's not fair though, because it's not

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just the Iraq War. It's the Afghanistan War, it's the

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Ukraine War. It's like every the last few decades have

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not gone well for military involvement. People are more than happy,

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in fact, they love funding the military and they love

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the military. I just went to that two hundred and

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fiftieth Army Pride. People love our army and rightly so.

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But the last few decades we changed our war footing

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to be how long can this war last? How much

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money can we spend on it, rather than how able

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are we to achieve an objective and return home? And

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when you realize that the length of time was considered

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a metric of success as opposed to a problem, you

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know you see why so many of our conflicts over

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the last few decades have not gone well for America.

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They've been very expensive in terms of human life and

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money and having your attention in places it shouldn't be,

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but they haven't been very good at achieving objectives, you know, quickly, efficiently, powerfully,

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and that also makes us weaker when people think you're

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just going to like occupy them for a while and

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help build their infrastructure when you go to war with them.

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Speaker 1: Is a famous movie in the sixties that people probably

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don't know about, what Peter Sellers called The Mouse That Roared.

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I don't know if you've ever seen it, but there's

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this super tiny nation in Europe that's bankrupt. So they

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decide they're going to invade the United States because they

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know that once you fight the United States in a war,

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they're going to help rebuild your country and give you

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lots of money. And what happens is at the same

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it's from a book. Yeah, at the same time as

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they're invading, there's like a national emergency, like a practice, right,

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not a practice, I forgot what you call it. But

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you know, everyone's underground and bunker. So they actually win

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the war and they like take over. They think they've

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won the war. It's a very funny movie. I would

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say this, I agree with you in principle that those

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things were unwise and bad, but I think that we

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need to define things better. I don't believe that our

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policing of Afghanistan and our nation building and our social

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engineering project, there is really a military operation the military.

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Our military operations were quite successful in both of them.

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Speaker 3: I always try to remind people that, like, those were

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not failed wars. We actually did really well in Afghanistan.

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We did really well in a rock, and we did

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it quickly, and then we just stuck around for another,

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you know, ten to twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think there's an appetite for that anymore.

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I actually, perhaps unlike you, believe that for a lot

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of people that came out of a place of well

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good intentions, right, that we want to bring these people

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a better life, not just that we want war to

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go on and on. And it failed. It's a failed

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experiment in the Islamic world that has not happened. You know,

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we did it elsewhere to great success. You're you know,

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in essence was peaceful. Japan is our ally for a

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long time. So on anyway.

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Speaker 3: You tell me about Like there was another phase of this,

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which was when Donald Trump was asked a question about

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the ceasefire. Because then he announces that the ceasefire is

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put into effect on Monday night. I think is when

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it was announced, and then by Tuesday morning you have

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Trump on the White House lawn with the perfectly executed

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f bomb about his frustration with Israel and Iran, like

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almost violating the ceasefire or violating the spirit of it.

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But I don't actually know the order of events there.

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Do you know what happened after the ceasefire was announced

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but before it went into effect.

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Speaker 1: I mean Israel carried out right after it was announced.

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I saw Israel carry out a few bombings, but it

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was not in force yet, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So they carried announced it, You announced it, and then

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there's like a time when it's which is.

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Speaker 1: Going to be yes, yeah, So they were bombing some

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military installations. I quickly would like to say here that

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Israeli's the Israeli strikes, we're all either some kind of no,

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We're all had military purpose except for a few things

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like the TV station. The Iranian strikes were just random

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assaults on civilian areas, which there was no military strategic

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missile strikes at Israel's basically all just civilians. And then

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I believe from what I read that the Iranians had

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fired after the after the ceasefire had been in effect

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killed a bunch of people, and then Israel was going

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to go back and retaliate, and Trump was mad about that.

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Trump said that maybe they had done that, the Iranians

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had fired accidentally.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis went and just.

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Speaker 1: Like did some symbolic bombing of a radar station and

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went back. They didn't really do much, and that's how

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Speaker 3: It, Okay. So then Trump asked about it, and he

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was like, they don't know what the f they're doing.

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Do you understand that? And it was also, you know,

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people have been saying that he was just being led

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around by Babing and Yahoo and that you know, he

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was weak and blah blah blah. And it was just

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kind of a funny statement because I think a lot

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of Americans are exasperated with the Mid East inability to

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get it back together and how much time other people

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have to spend helping them all live with each other.

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Speaker 1: I just Donald Trump doesn't strike me as the person

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and I've been following him since I'm a kid who

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has contrived opinions, Right, that seemed like he was literally

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angry at them, because I think he wants to be

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seen as a peacemaker if they break it and keeps going,

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it looks like he failed. I think there are many

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reasons for that. The Israelis were like, you're right, whatever

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you know will stop now. I think that there are

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like incredibly appreciative that this president finally allowed them to

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do what needed to be done. I don't think other

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presidents had.

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Speaker 3: So she reminds me of something that bothered me before

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the attacks. So Joel Pollock, who's awesome over at Breitbart,

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had posted like a video clip that he said was

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making the rounds in Israel, and it was from Modern Family.

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And I don't remember the names of the people in

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Modern Family, but one of the families is this couple

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with three kids, and it's Phil is the dad, and

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I don't remember the mom's name, Phil Dumfree, Yeah, yeah.

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And so the parents are both agreeing to jump off

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of a large rock, and so Phil gets the American

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flag and the wife gets the Israeli flag, and she

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jumps off and they go, Okay, we're going to do

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this together on the count of three. Right, They're like right,

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And they counted three, and she jumps off and he doesn't,

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and so she climbs all the way back up to

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the top of the rock and she's like what happened?

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And he was like, oh, I just got scared and

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blah blah blah, and so they agreed to do it again,

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one two, three, Once again she jumps. He doesn't, I

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mean think it happens three times. And it was like,

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this joke is going around Israel and I wanted to

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and you just said Israel was very grateful, and I

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think Americans would like Israel to be grateful. And when

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they saw, like when they see stuff like that, like oh,

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here Israel's making fun of the US for not just

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willy nilly going to war with Iran. I wanted to

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be like, for people who want our help, maybe don't

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mock us as being afraid.

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Speaker 1: You know, who knows how much that's going around. I'll

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tell you what was going around. I saw a highway

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in Tel Aviv and they had just a giant there

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are more American flags in Israel than there are in

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New York City, by the way, flying just so you know,

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and there's just a giant American flag that said like,

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thank you, mister Trump, like President Trump. I mean, so

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I listen, I'm not saying everyone.

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Speaker 2: There is perfect.

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Speaker 1: They were as grateful as maybe they should be in

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a sense. And you know, I mean it's fair to

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say that Israel could not do it in this way

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without the United States. It's weaponry, the backing, all of

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that incredible.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't have bombed these without Israel taking out all of

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the our defenses.

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Speaker 2: Too, but we shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: So it's a good teamwork makes the dream work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think it's important for people

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to realize that this was an incredibly precise military operation.

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It's pretty crazy. I don't know, I just I was

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trying to think of a of an example of a

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similar strike in modern warfare where one country takes out

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the other country's entire military leadership essentially and breaks chain

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of command a person that a country one country taking

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out in other countries completely all their aerial defenses like

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this doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: This was a very.

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Speaker 1: Impressive achievement I think as far as military warfare.

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Speaker 3: Goes, And by the way, these nuclear I think there

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is so much agreement worldwide that Iran cannot be trusted

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with a nuke that the moment they started in uranium

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for nuclear weapons, this should have happened. That we should

479
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have bombed them.

480
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Speaker 1: I mean, the plan to do all the all the

481
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things I just mentioned has probably been in place for

482
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ten years or more, you know, I mean the Mosad

483
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sources within their country, knowing where all the scientists are,

484
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,240
all the people, like a lot went into this years

485
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and years and years, I'm sure with American help. Let's

486
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talk about the Was the bombing successful? I mean, was it?

487
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Did it achieve its objectives? Yesterday, CNN reported, and then

488
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The New York Times followed up with a story. The

489
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headline reads, early US intel assessments suggest strikes on Iran

490
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did not destroy nuclear sites, that the Iranians would be

491
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back in business within months. It was written, one of

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the one of the reporters was Natasha Bertrand.

493
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Speaker 2: Tell us about her.

494
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Speaker 1: Wasn't she one of the leading, maybe one of the

495
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first people to pass along the dossier during the Russia

496
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:12,200
Gate thing. Yeah?

497
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Speaker 3: So. Natasha Bertrand, whose nickname is Natasha Fusion GPS. Bertrand

498
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,119
is probably most well known for regurgitating the Democrat Party's

499
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,279
info op that fifty one top ranked spies had assessed

500
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:32,880
that Hunter Biden's laptop was fake and Russian disinformation, and

501
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,440
she wrote that piece, did her duty as a total

502
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,799
carve out for bad actors in the intelligence community and

503
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,559
has been kind of a lot laughingstock as a result

504
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:47,279
of this, although in the media you get rewarded for

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,599
participating in Democrat info ops and so she, I think,

506
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,039
got moved from Politico to CNN. She also was well

507
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,880
known for being a regular funnel of Fusion GPS information

508
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and Fusion GPS was hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign

509
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to craft the Russia collusion narrative and to disseminate it

510
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into compliant media, and Natasha Bertrand was one of the

511
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,960
most compliant media for that. So if Fusion GPS and

512
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their Democrat you know people said, let's say, Donald Trump,

513
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you know, did this, she would write it up with

514
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,640
no questions asked. And so that's the kind of person

515
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she is. And so she wrote this piece about a

516
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,400
piece of intel. Now, I was just doing some reporting

517
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,839
on that, and I have spoken with people very familiar

518
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,839
with the document in question, and it is true that

519
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,319
there's a document rated low confidence meaning like I think

520
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:56,279
that's the lowest of the confidence intervals low saying, and

521
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,799
it was it was a document created on Sunday night,

522
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like you know, just a day after the bombing, and

523
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it says at the top, this is not to be

524
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,440
taken as definitive. We have to do not just days,

525
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but weeks of finding out information, and we are nowhere

526
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near that point. So it says that, like at the top,

527
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for anyone who can read, this is not like real. Basically,

528
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
this is like a very early assessment at very low confidence.

529
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But you know, here's what we think about the damage

530
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,240
to the sites and people who there are a lot

531
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,519
of I think there are people who have access to

532
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,519
this who are like Democrat party operatives for like actual

533
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,240
so Congress also has access to this document. So let

534
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:50,160
the let the listener understand, and so it was immediately

535
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,920
fed to those like people who are Democrat operatives in

536
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,759
the media like Natasha Bertrand either to suggest that Trump's

537
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,599
bomb wasn't as successful as everyone is saying it is,

538
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as Iran is saying it was, as Israel is saying

539
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,480
it was, as everyone in the US other than this

540
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,640
one intelligence assessment. Oh, it also says on the document

541
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:20,440
this was not conducted in coordination with US intelligence agencies.

542
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So I think people usually understand there. I think there's

543
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:28,519
seventeen major intel agencies, any one of them can have

544
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,920
an intelligence product, and then sometimes they're shopped around to

545
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,839
other people, and other people will say, Okay, that doesn't

546
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,000
match with what we're finding out. You know, there's just

547
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an it's called an intelligence community for a reason, and

548
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,480
it's very hard to get good information from human sources

549
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,680
or photos or other stuff. So you usually are just

550
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,359
combining a bunch of different intelligence products to make an

551
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:54,039
assessment about how successful everything is. You don't take the

552
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thing that was created hours after the bombing that by

553
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,960
its own admission, isn't very you know, full done, and

554
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200
is by its own admission, at a very low confidence level,

555
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,799
and say, okay, well, no more work to do to

556
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:07,839
assess the situation.

557
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, the New York Times bias on this never mentioned

558
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,640
that it was low confidence. The CNN piece, I don't

559
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
believe did. Now it does. I think it's been updated

560
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,599
since everyone pointed out how crazy it is to treat

561
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,640
this as definitive. I completely think it was meant to

562
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,680
try to embarrass the administration, to make it seem like

563
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,559
we wasted our time there. Now, common sense tells me

564
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,079
that if you drop fourteen of the most powerful bombs,

565
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160
that the Iranians are just going to pick up and

566
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,319
give back to work in a month or two. You

567
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,440
are insane to believe that. Now, since this report, obviously

568
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,319
the President came I think the maybe Trump even came out,

569
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,599
I know of some others came out and said it's ridiculous.

570
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,480
It's been destroyed all these three facilities. But also the

571
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,680
International Atomic Energy said that the damage to Iran's nuclear

572
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,279
program is significant, at least sent back a few years.

573
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,960
The Iranians themselves have said that it is you know

574
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,160
that there's been significant damage, though I saw a report

575
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,519
that spies have picked up communication between military leaders and

576
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,400
the mullah or the clerics, that that they're lying to

577
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,200
the clerics about the damage done the Israelis themselves. Now

578
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,079
you have to take this with skepticism. It's the Israelis,

579
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:39,119
but I don't understand why they would not. What I'm

580
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,039
saying is that Iran is still the enemy, the mulah

581
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:43,960
is still the Mullahs are still in charge. For them

582
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,000
to kind of downplay how dangerous the program is seems

583
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,960
counterintuitive to.

584
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: Me, right exactly. I always think you have to think

585
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
about the interest of the person making a claim, and

586
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,559
israel Is saying this was like a very very effective strike.

587
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,440
They would have every reason to say otherwise if they

588
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,200
had a reason to believe otherwise.

589
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, or simply keep iron you know, in check, right,

590
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,920
so keep them worried that another attack might be coming.

591
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,079
But you know, they say this like, there was this

592
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:15,799
great piece I think I mentioned it last week in

593
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,960
tablet with this physicist there. I saw another piece in

594
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the Wall Street Journal where they talk about centrifugea is

595
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
how hard it is to keep them going, how it's

596
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,759
not so easy to It's not like you just have

597
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,680
some enrich uranium and you just screw it on top

598
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,319
of a war ballistic missile. You know that there is

599
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:34,640
a process. It takes a lot of facilities. It's clear

600
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to me from everything I'm reading that this program has

601
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,680
been heard in a way that's going to be hard

602
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,480
to recover from.

603
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: Now.

604
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Speaker 1: Obviously they can start it up again, and maybe they will.

605
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,240
I mean, I don't understand their obsession with this honestly,

606
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,480
knowing that Israel will never allow this to happen in

607
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,640
the United States will obviously never allow it to happen,

608
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,279
it seems like very suicidal. Now I'm not saying they're

609
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,680
so people saying, oh, are they rational? Are they not

610
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,160
rad You could be both. It's like a suicide bomber

611
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,279
and his way to his target doesn't, you know, step

612
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,920
in front of a bus. I mean they want to

613
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:14,119
preserve their regime, but they also want nuclear weapons. So

614
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,119
in any event, I think it's this is what was

615
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,159
a successful strike. It seems to me, I don't know

616
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,480
how you survive something like this. Also, incidentally, Israel killed

617
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,639
like twelve at least of their top nuclear scientists. Like,

618
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,679
if you're in a young Iranian you're not going into

619
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,440
a STEM program anymore. You're going to like liberal arts

620
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:35,360
or whatever. You don't want to be a nuclear scientist, right.

621
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480
I mean, it's hard to replace knowledge. All those generals

622
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,280
that were killed, they have institutional knowledge is incredibly difficult,

623
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,920
like SOLEMANI to just simply replace. It's not as simple

624
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,079
as people think.

625
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: I want to make this is such an unimportant thing

626
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
to complain about, But I also just want to say

627
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,639
I was annoyed by everyone on Twitter when I would

628
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:04,480
check in extremism on display between the opposing sides, the

629
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,599
catastrophic nature of the one. You know, the one side

630
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,920
would be like, this is World War three, it's over.

631
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,159
We're in another forever war. Donald Trump broke his promises,

632
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,239
and then the other side being like anyone who doesn't

633
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,639
support this or who is worried about this is worse

634
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,760
than Hitler, and people just kind of lost their minds

635
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,639
and it was really annoying to watch.

636
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,519
Speaker 1: Well, I want to say this, though, when we talk

637
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,800
about those who were wrong about Iraq, we don't give

638
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,000
them quarter and say, well, you know, you know, maybe

639
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,840
I just did before when I said that they did

640
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,199
good intentions. People who were scare mongering about this, like

641
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,119
tick Car Carlson and others who were wrong essentially about

642
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,400
everything they said that would happen didn't happen, and then

643
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,639
pretend that they were. They had put the pressure on

644
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:55,719
Trump to to not invade and regime change. Well he

645
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,119
never said he would. You're this is you're killing a

646
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,199
regime change tweet did not say anything about America doing it.

647
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,239
I think wanting the regime change, as we said, was

648
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,199
meant as sort of a psychological ploy to scare them.

649
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,440
But anyway, setting that aside, no troops were removed. You

650
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,159
tom vade a country, There's a lot that goes into it.

651
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,360
There is no evidence that that was ever in the

652
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,599
cars the United States was coming up with some plan

653
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,920
to do it. My point only is like, if you're

654
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,440
that wrong, and you're scare mongering the whole time, and

655
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,400
you're spreading what I would say is our borderline anti

656
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,599
semitic theory is about how Donald Trump's a puppet of

657
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:41,400
the Jewish State and Natagna who is leading our foreign policy.

658
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,039
I mean, I think you deserve to be reprimanded or

659
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,000
mocked for that. You don't you know, I don't know,

660
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,119
you know, That's how I feel.

661
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,519
Speaker 3: I just want everybody to kind of calm down and

662
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:56,119
be less extreme it. I had a tweet where I

663
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,159
said something like, it is reasonable to be worried about,

664
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,760
you know, being dragged into a war, but you should

665
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,199
also remember that Trump and his team are different than

666
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,840
you know, George W. Bush and his team and Obama

667
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,519
and Biden and their teams. And I think that, by

668
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,719
the way, aged very well, right, Like, you can be worried,

669
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,199
but you should also remember that Trump has I mean,

670
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880
first of all, oh, actually, all these people who are like,

671
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,480
why are you not turning on Trump? Now that he's

672
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,119
bombed Iran? It's like, why are you not turning on

673
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,440
Trump after he did the thing he said he's going

674
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,000
to do for like fifteen years, you know what I mean.

675
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:32,880
Like it's like people weren't listening to him when he

676
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,440
said Iran can't have nukes and we can do this

677
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,760
the nice way, or we're going to do this the

678
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,079
mean way. I mean, he said it since like five

679
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:41,880
years before he was president the first time.

680
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: Right, do you remember that? Do you remember that tweet

681
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,119
where he's like, if you heard another American, We're going

682
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,239
to like turn you into glass or whatever it was.

683
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that.

684
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: Sweet Okay, So you had some people being like you're

685
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000
a hypocrite for not turning on Trump now that he's

686
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,480
bombed Duran. You know, it's like he literally has always

687
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:04,760
said that this would happen if Ron didn't stop voluntarily, right.

688
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,679
And then you have other people who are like, you

689
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,719
should just put one hundred percent of your trust in

690
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Donald Trump to always do the right thing. It's like, well,

691
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,760
in the Bible, there's the Psalm that says, put not

692
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,599
your trust in Princess. As a Christian, I believe you

693
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,159
only put your faith in God and not any man.

694
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,519
You can like a guy like Donald Trump, but you

695
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:33,320
don't put your faith in him completely, and you you

696
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,639
are allowed to express your opinion, and in fact, there

697
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:40,119
should be more of public debate about different wars. This

698
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,480
is another unpopular thing that I said. She's like, I

699
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:48,159
know that nobody cares about this anymore, but constitutionally, Congress

700
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,679
is supposed to be involved in the decision to go

701
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920
to war. And people say, well, this is just a

702
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,239
strike or like the soul mind, I think just a strike.

703
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,559
That's true, but sometimes strikes lead to war, and so

704
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:04,960
you want just more public debate and more constitutional way

705
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,039
in even if we've kind of moved so far away

706
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,639
from that that it seems like a quaint notion.

707
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I don't.

708
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,519
Speaker 1: Prefaces by saying I'm not an expert.

709
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Speaker 2: I have no league.

710
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Like see John you saying it's okay, but he's always

711
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,039
going to say it's okay when we drop a bomb.

712
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:26,800
In my opinion, right, loved John. He did make Yeah,

713
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,280
he did make good arguments in I think it was

714
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,559
a national review, but I don't know for sure. I

715
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,280
do think this is a strike. I don't think you

716
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,360
needed a declaration of war here, but let's be honest

717
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,679
that umph has been in for twenty years. We have

718
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,039
it now, we bomb all over the place. The people

719
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,639
complaining who had no problem with Libya, which was a

720
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,960
far more destabilizing and in my ridiculous action.

721
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great example, because it wasn't that much

722
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,079
of a strike on Libya and then it ended up

723
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,559
completely messing up the whole region, and more of should

724
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:01,239
have weighed in there.

725
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,199
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wrote a column about this now. I again,

726
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,519
I think that sometimes Donald Trump's lack of kind of

727
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,320
ideological consistency, as we you know, see it as sort

728
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,719
of in a political signs sense, as maddening, But when

729
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,840
it comes to foreign policy, I think it's actually quite

730
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,119
helpful for him because Iran's not Libya, and every situation

731
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,920
is different and you have to deal with different people

732
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,119
in different ways. And it's clear to me that he's

733
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,599
never really been an you know, even a non interventionist

734
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:32,960
really in this. I mean, he certainly is compared to

735
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Bush administration and things like that, but you know, he's

736
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,719
not It's not like Warren Harding in the twenties, you know,

737
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,360
I mean, he wants to be involved in the world.

738
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,639
He was out, he's out now and I think he's

739
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,320
with NATO, you know, and they just agreed to pay

740
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,360
five percent of their military budgets each.

741
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:50,079
Speaker 2: To fund NATO.

742
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to actually do it,

743
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,000
because they've made promises before. But but you know, even

744
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,320
Obama wanted them to pay more, and he got it done.

745
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480
I mean, when it comes to foreign policy, I have

746
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,960
very few complaints about Donald Trump, really, but I wanted

747
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,119
to mention this. You said, people like, yeah, you know,

748
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,519
basically let him cook, you know this, and that. I

749
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,800
hate that kind of stuff. If Donald Trump is making

750
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,320
good decisions, we say he is, but we don't say, oh,

751
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,079
it's just because it's Donald Trump always makes good decisions.

752
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,559
I mean, first of all, that's not true, because no

753
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,519
person does, certainly among them. But also we have to

754
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,920
have some kind of doctrine, though not like strict ideology,

755
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,519
and his doctrine seems to be that if you undermine America,

756
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,000
that if you're an enemy of America, you may have

757
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,039
to pay a price for that.

758
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: And you can admit that because Donald Trump has been

759
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,599
so excellent with foreign policy, like so so much better

760
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:46,119
than his predecessors, that he receives a degree of trust. Yeah,

761
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,679
you know, and he's he is pretty Jacksonian in his

762
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,159
foreign policy. So even as I was nervous at how

763
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,280
like excited Lindsey Graham was, which was very excited, And

764
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,519
it's always a good idea to be nervous and Lindsay

765
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,440
Graham is excited, I kept thinking like, this is a

766
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,519
guy who's been pretty consistent with his articulation of foreign

767
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,760
policy and does not want to get involved in a

768
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,719
big war. There's no reason you can you can get

769
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,320
a degree of deference without saying this sort of blasphemous

770
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,639
trust whatever he does.

771
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Thing I mean, think about the Abraham Accords should have

772
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,719
won him a Nobel prize. In my view, everyone's like, oh,

773
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,079
you know, Dubai wasn't at war with Israel.

774
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:34,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so stupid.

775
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: So you're creating this pact where people speak, where there's

776
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,639
economic cooperation, and yeah, maybe it was kind of small

777
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,000
to begin with, but it may have Saudi Arabia soon,

778
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,000
it may have serious soon. Israel is at peace with

779
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:52,039
most Arab nations, most soon in nations and maybe Lebanon.

780
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,199
Actually I heard you know now that Hezbolla is weak

781
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,679
and may maybe thinking about joining as well.

782
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,199
Speaker 2: No, that's going to happen.

783
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:02,199
Speaker 1: But the point is that with without I don't think anyone,

784
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,519
especially Saudi Arabia or Israel, e been one destabilizing wars

785
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,960
in the Middle East. They want to slowly work towards peace,

786
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,159
and I think Donald Trump has helped them do that

787
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,199
more than any president maybe ever in modern history, you know,

788
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,280
maybe since World War Two.

789
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

790
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the world was a very different place when

791
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,960
the Soviet Union was around. So but any anyway, I

792
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,400
hope that the world will be more peaceful now, and

793
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:28,159
I think it will.

794
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,599
Speaker 3: I pray so, and I pray that everyone. I mean,

795
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:37,320
piece is a wonderful goal. It's very difficult to obtain,

796
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,519
much less maintained, but it's good when we're all fighting

797
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,199
for it. Okay, what about domestic politics? Have you been

798
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,440
following what happened in New York City last night?

799
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,519
Speaker 2: I am a native New Yorker, so yes, are.

800
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: You excited about your the new communist mayor.

801
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Someone said that the Mulahs might have lost in Iran

802
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:05,199
but won in New York City yesterday? So so on,

803
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,320
Ma'm donnie right?

804
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,519
Speaker 2: And how you pronounce it?

805
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: Won the Democratic primary against Andracromo and others. It is

806
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:21,559
in New York City. Winning the Democratic primary is very

807
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:27,360
much like winning the election. I looked it up twice before.

808
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,679
There have been independent runs that have won. One was

809
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:37,760
and they're they're weird. One is Bloomberg who went independent. Yeah, yeah,

810
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,199
he just could outspend and you know, and he won.

811
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,559
And then lind Lindsay I forgot his first name right now.

812
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:44,519
Speaker 2: In sixty five.

813
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,159
Speaker 1: He was a Republican when they used to be progressive

814
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:50,559
Republicans in those days we left left wingers essentially, and

815
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,840
he became an independent when the Republican Party sort of

816
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,719
started going the other way after Goldwater. So those are

817
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,960
the two. So maybe Eric Adams can win. I don't

818
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,360
know enough about really what going on there these days.

819
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,840
It seems unlikely. Doesn't seem the same to me. I

820
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,320
had tweeted that, you know, I was in New York

821
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,119
on nine to eleven, and to me, it's twenty four

822
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,719
years since nine to eleven. For New York to elect

823
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,719
someone who's not just a comedy but a jihadi apologist

824
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,559
is kind.

825
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,199
Speaker 2: Of mind boggling.

826
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: My hometown, you know which, Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson called

827
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,719
Heimi town in eighty four, right for how Jewish.

828
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: It was the things that batched that Jesse Jackson, you

829
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:32,599
said it is.

830
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: But it seems so quaint now, doesn't it.

831
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: It seems like such like nothing in today's environment.

832
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, and I say this.

833
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: Because he defends the phrase into globalized, the Intifada, and

834
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,039
you know he's part of that movement. But here's the thing.

835
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,599
Everyone's saying, Oh, it's because of immigration, it's because of

836
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,320
Muslims and this and that. Listen, that's a discussion to

837
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,880
be had his But it looks to me like he

838
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:01,639
his core constituency are a educated white progressives in New York.

839
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,159
It's not as if immigrant neighborhoods, black neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods

840
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,920
largely voted against him. It's the how can I call them?

841
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,039
The immigrants from other places who moved to Brooklyn and

842
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,360
elsewhere were white, highly educated, make a lot of money.

843
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,159
In most cases, they're the ones who love the crackpots

844
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,079
socialist ideas, at least theoretically, they're not going to love

845
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,639
it in real life. So I think that's worth talking

846
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,719
about as well. You know, it's not just some immigration problem.

847
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,880
My parents are immigrants in New York and others were imigrants.

848
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,280
They're very conservative, you know what I mean, you know

849
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,039
years ago. So I don't know. I'd like to look

850
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,119
more into the numbers, but I know what was your

851
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:38,039
reaction to it.

852
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: In a very sinful way. I was so excited that

853
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,800
the Kami one. I really don't like Cuomo. He did

854
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440
not run a campaign. He killed a bunch of people

855
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,039
during COVID and has never been held accountable for it.

856
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,480
He lied about what he did. The media were treating

857
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:03,960
him like the Second Coming. It was. I just do

858
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,679
not like him, and I think he's a bad person.

859
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,360
And then I also have anger at the left and

860
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,119
how they're trying to destroy the country.

861
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,639
Speaker 1: So the.

862
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: Fact that they're electing someone like this in New York

863
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,079
City and the same way that they have in London,

864
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,840
Like you've got these attacks on capitalism in London and

865
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:30,760
New York City. I'm just I'm sort of divided between

866
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,719
hoping for the best for New York and then wanting

867
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,760
people to see the damage that leftist policies cause more

868
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,480
quickly so that maybe we can get away from them

869
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,079
more quickly.

870
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: This tweet, someone tweeted me this, and or I saw

871
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,880
this tweet and I liked it a lot, and an

872
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,440
unknown person to me, but he wrote the mam de style.

873
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,760
Mamdanni's style game is to legitimize and make mainstream antipathy

874
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,079
towards and marginalization of Jews who support the existence of

875
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,920
Israel as an independent Jewish state. There's a large majority

876
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,400
of Jews, to make these Jews feel unwelcome and insecure

877
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,480
in their own city. And I know a lot of

878
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,440
people in New York. My family's in New York, and

879
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,800
I can tell you this is true. People do not

880
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,519
feel the same way about the city. I love the city.

881
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,599
I think it's just such an incredible place. Right when

882
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,079
you're there, You're just like, this is just the amount

883
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,000
of people, the culture, everything is just so amazing.

884
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be able to

885
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,239
it's never going to be the same city again. But here,

886
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,400
here's actually my question.

887
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,559
Speaker 1: Quickly, nine percent of people in New York voted here,

888
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,239
or nine percent of people voted for this candidate in

889
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,239
New York. It's not a ton of people. It's an

890
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,480
off year election, It's a left wing city. He ran against.

891
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,880
His number one competitor was a true cuomo who killed

892
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,119
his own constituents, and is you know, scandal plagued. Do

893
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:55,079
you think this really reflects a move to this kind

894
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,760
of communistic policy or is it just sort of a

895
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,960
kind of almost a populoist against Democratic Party in a

896
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,039
way like almost like what happened with populism on the right.

897
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: I don't know the Democrat Party as well as I

898
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,679
understand the Republican Party, but every time I see a

899
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,320
gathering of Democrats, it seems like they're divided between Andrew

900
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,599
Cuomo types and these far left, radical Jihati loving anti

901
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,480
capitalist left wingers. And this is the struggle for the

902
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:35,079
heart of the Democrat Party. And so I saw someone

903
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,639
say what happened in New York is very good news

904
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,079
for AOC and very bad news for Josh Shapiro. And

905
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,360
you even saw it like with the riots in La

906
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:50,320
over enforcement of the rule of law. Gavin Newsom, who

907
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,000
desperately wants to win the Democrat nomination for president, was

908
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,519
fully like supporting the rioters and opposing rule of law.

909
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,280
That's not a good sign for the health of the

910
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,239
Democrat Party that you have to cater to this fringe

911
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,880
wack adoodal left wing base in order to have any

912
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,199
prospect of a political future, and we already saw that

913
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:17,880
there are problems with the Democrats seeming just quite simply abnormal.

914
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:24,280
They support removing genitalia from children and permanently sterilizing children.

915
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,400
That's like a main plank of the Democrat Party and

916
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,599
it's insane, right. They oppose the rule of law when

917
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,119
it comes to like the very most basic rule of law,

918
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,599
whether or not to have border and laws governing your border.

919
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:42,119
They know they're bloodthirsty. And their support for abortion, which

920
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,000
is like a more popular issue for them, but like

921
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,639
they're kind of just weird and violent and angry, and

922
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:51,920
a lot of just normal Americans look at that and

923
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,880
say I want nothing to do with that. I'm not

924
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,599
saying they will do horribly in the midterms. Historically they

925
00:50:56,639 --> 00:51:01,000
should do very well, and Republicans certainly aren't giving much

926
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,039
of a reason for people to vote for them outside

927
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,880
of the presidency. But this is the debate in the

928
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:13,280
Democrat Party is whether to embrace the jihati or chart

929
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,760
like a Bill Clinton style moderate way forward.

930
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird, you know.

931
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: It used to be that the bigger the election, the

932
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,760
more kind of culturally more was imbued with cultural positioning

933
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,079
like I'm just going to vote Republican for president no

934
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,119
matter what or whatever. And the more local you got,

935
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,679
you know, you could vote for Rudy Giuliani maybe to

936
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,320
be mayor because this actually was closer to you and

937
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,599
you had to run the city, right he had, you know,

938
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:44,559
he wasn't very popular, but in New York you'd have

939
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,960
these areas like Staten Island and in Queens where normal

940
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,440
people still lived. I was born in Queens. I consider

941
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,840
myself normal, you know, and they would vote for someone

942
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,960
who would run the city instead. I'm a crazy person

943
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,239
that seems to be gone. But I saw like people

944
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,480
are like, should we you know, is Wall Street gonna

945
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,559
end up moving to Miami? Like do you really need

946
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,960
more douchebags in Miami? I don't think so close the border,

947
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:14,679
I say, I do wonder this if he does follow

948
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,119
through on like nationalize and not nationalizing because it's a city.

949
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,280
But you know, having state run supermarkets and all the

950
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,760
you know, the rent control all these things. Does that

951
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,760
and fails, Does that help the Andrew Cuomo tis to

952
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,679
turn things around?

953
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I feel like it'stant to fail.

954
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,199
Speaker 3: I was thinking about how everyone, almost everyone who I've

955
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,519
ever voted for based on what they said they were

956
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:42,599
going to do, like ninety nine point nine percent of

957
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,760
the time, they don't do it. So did he use

958
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
all of this extreme rhetoric and make all these claims

959
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,800
about socializing the grocery stores because he really wants to

960
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,440
do it or just because he thought that would get

961
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,760
him elected. And then he'll, you know, once he's in office,

962
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,639
he'll turn he doesn't want to get rid of Wall

963
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:05,440
Street or doesn't want to destroy the ability of people

964
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,920
to eat food. It might it might just be something, Yeah,

965
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:11,559
all of a sudden, he might like the police.

966
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,039
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing, just last thing on this

967
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,039
from me is like that there even if he doesn't.

968
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,559
There's a problem here is that we're normalizing extremism in politics.

969
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:23,880
You know what I mean, We're normalizing communists in major

970
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,440
cities in America. This is not the only place that's happening.

971
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,159
I mean, though he makes the others look like quite normal.

972
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:35,159
Speaker 3: So someone say like, like polio, communism is this thing

973
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:36,800
you get. Our socialism is the thing you get when

974
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,960
you forget how bad it is. And Dan Foster, who

975
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,719
I fall on Twitter, was like, good news. We're getting

976
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,440
both ectly we turn to Polio and Cosm.

977
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: Kasparov said that the just guy. All right, I think

978
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,599
that's it for politics today. You want to talk about culture,

979
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,440
look to hear what you've been up to. I have

980
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:57,280
almost nothing.

981
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,199
Speaker 3: I have been traveling. I had the worst day of

982
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,239
travel of my life, which I know was boring to

983
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,280
talk about, but I was trying to get to Durango, Colorado,

984
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,320
and we had a seven hour flight delay out of

985
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,159
Reagan National to get to Denver to then fly to Durango,

986
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,840
and there was basically no way we could fly to Durango,

987
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
but I had stupidly booked all of the hotels than

988
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,800
they were non reflendable by this point, and so we

989
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,760
had to get there. People on Twitter were like, why

990
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,840
are you trying so hard to get there? Oh. After

991
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,559
we arrived in Denver late, we had to change and

992
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:40,719
the only car rental place available was ABIs. We showed

993
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,199
up at like one thirty am, and we were the

994
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,320
twenty sixth group in line and there was one agent working.

995
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,440
So it took us hours to get our rental car

996
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,000
and we had to drive to the Sorry, so I

997
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,079
should explain for people not familiar with Colorado layout that

998
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,480
Durango is in the southwest corner of the state and

999
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,639
Denver is in the you know, it's not in the

1000
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,760
northeast tippy top corner, but it's in that quadrant.

1001
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,679
Speaker 2: That's a long drive, very long.

1002
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: And my plan had been to fly in and then

1003
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,079
drive back and see my family who are in the

1004
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:16,519
Denver area. And I didn't want to drive there and

1005
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:20,719
back the same route. So we drove stupidly. I seventy

1006
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,320
and we were stopped to a dead halt, you know,

1007
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,039
for lengthy periods of time, like four times, including there

1008
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,400
was like a fire at one point on the side

1009
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,960
of the road. But we made it there, and we

1010
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,559
made it to Ura. Have you been there, Ura?

1011
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,599
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah.

1012
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: Oh, it's beautiful, this high mountain Victorian mining town that

1013
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,159
has hot springs. And I had always wanted to drive

1014
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,920
on the Million Dollar Highway, which is this dangerous road

1015
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,559
with no guard rails and steep drop offs between Uray

1016
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:59,320
and Silverton, which is another high mountain mining town, and

1017
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,880
we did get to do that, and I got to

1018
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,519
see Silverton for the first time. My high school history teacher,

1019
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:11,320
Richard Boniquista, had taught in Silverton and he showed us

1020
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,119
this paddle he had. This will really age me. I mean,

1021
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:16,679
it was horrifying to us at the time. But he

1022
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,320
had this big, long, wooden paddle with holes in it,

1023
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,000
and he said that when the boys in high school

1024
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,559
acted up, they got an option, which was they could

1025
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:29,079
get swatted with the paddle, or if they didn't want that,

1026
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,599
they could just have their dad be called up out

1027
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,440
of the mines and at which point they would then

1028
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,039
get a beating from their father. So they always chose

1029
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:39,800
the wooden paddle and he would just show it to

1030
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,280
us and we were like, oh, no, mister Boniquista, that's horrible. Anyway,

1031
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:48,280
got to see Silverton beautiful and they have a steam

1032
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,840
engine that goes from Durango to Silverton and back and

1033
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,000
it's a narrow gauge railroad I think, And so that

1034
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:56,119
was just kind of cool to see.

1035
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: And isn't that what Telly Ride is?

1036
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,199
Speaker 1: Also, isn't it's near Telluride.

1037
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: So then on our way leaving r A, we decided

1038
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,840
to tell your ride is ten miles from Ura, but

1039
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,119
it takes over an hour to get there because you

1040
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,199
have to go around a mountain. The drive into Telluride

1041
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,320
is one of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

1042
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,400
And we did not know that we were hitting tellur

1043
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Ride on their busiest weekend of the year, which is

1044
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,360
the Bluegrass Festival. And then also the wonderful people of

1045
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,519
c Dot Colorado Department of Transportation decided to paint the

1046
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:35,000
two lane road to tell your ride on that Saturday

1047
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,119
morning that we were driving there. So that was good.

1048
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,880
We just had good luck everywhere we went. Now, so

1049
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,960
we went into Telluride. I had never been there. Beautiful town,

1050
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:51,039
super gay, like gay gay, like everything was gay. There

1051
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:55,280
were flags that I didn't understand the meaning of the flag, like.

1052
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 2: Well, doesn't Tom Cruise lives there?

1053
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:04,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, so oh Daryl Hannah.

1054
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: So no, that was a Tom Cruise gay joke. But

1055
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,679
I it out.

1056
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,599
Speaker 3: Like it would be the Trans flag, but with other

1057
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,679
things on it, like a tpe looking black and white thing,

1058
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
and I'm like, I don't even know what sexual perversion

1059
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,440
we're honoring here, Like I have no idea.

1060
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: That flag is being complicated. No, I don't know.

1061
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: But now they have that kind of like triangle on

1062
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,000
the side thing and that's.

1063
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: The Trans one, and there's like a bipock trans gay flag.

1064
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,360
But these were different than those. I'm not you know,

1065
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:40,880
I feel like I'm a pretty well informed person. I

1066
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,000
had no idea what these were. But Tell your Ride

1067
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,840
was fine. I just strongly preferred ur A, which was

1068
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,280
more real Colorado, whereas Tell your Ride just used California.

1069
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,360
Do you care about any of this I'm giving you.

1070
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: Now, I'm interested.

1071
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm always interested to hear what's going on in Colorado,

1072
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,960
my former state.

1073
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 3: And then we drove to Salida through and we went

1074
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,519
to a Black Canyon of the Gunnison. Have you been there?

1075
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,079
Speaker 1: I don't know, don't think so.

1076
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,159
Speaker 3: It's a national park and it's a really deep, beautiful

1077
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,320
canyon and you can hit the you can hit the

1078
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,199
park from like different areas, and we did the South

1079
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,079
Rim and it was really fun. We liked it. And

1080
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,079
then we drove into Salida where we saw International Surfing

1081
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,800
Day and my husband's cousins. So my husband has this

1082
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,559
cousin who was an Olympian in two thousand and four,

1083
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,239
I think high jump silver medalist Matt Hemingway and grew

1084
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,199
up in Buna Vista. And that's my husband's first cousin,

1085
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,519
and so he happened to be in town, and his

1086
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:45,960
brother happened to be in town, so we just got

1087
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,360
to see a bunch of family, which was cool, and

1088
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,480
the kids and I went whitewater rafting with one of

1089
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,400
my husband's family members and who's a guide on the

1090
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,280
Arkansas River and it was so much fun. I have

1091
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,559
not had that much fun on the Arkansas since I

1092
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,920
was like twenty. And we had really good rapids and

1093
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,360
it was really fun to be in the raft and

1094
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:12,800
beautiful day. It was just great.

1095
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: So oh, I love whitewater rafting. Colorized amazing, it really is.

1096
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,159
I can't believe they ruined that state, but it is

1097
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,719
as far as just geography and beauty, it's it's hard

1098
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:25,159
to match.

1099
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:27,519
Speaker 3: Okay. I have one more thing to mention, which is

1100
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:29,679
I went to Casa Benita with the family.

1101
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,559
Speaker 1: So the South Park guys bought that, then they sold it.

1102
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,239
I don't they own it? Okay? Is it still as

1103
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,760
cheesy as when I went, like maybe fifteen years ago.

1104
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,639
Speaker 3: Well, I was expected, so I knew that they had

1105
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,960
bought it and had redone it. But it was exactly

1106
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,559
like I remembered it, I mean exactly. It looked and

1107
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,800
felt the same, but the food was much much better,

1108
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,400
and the cocktails were much better, and it was cleaner

1109
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,360
and more professional. So it's you know, you have to

1110
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,000
make reservations months many months in advance, and you're like

1111
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,199
to go to Cossa Benita, which is always sort of

1112
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:14,159
the joke of Denver, right, like, yeah, a totally cheesy,

1113
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,840
no pun intended experience. They have cliff divers, they have

1114
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,239
a guy in a gorilla suit who's being there. They've

1115
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,960
got black bart who's this like, you know, most wanted guy.

1116
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,360
They have face painting and balloons and stuff like that.

1117
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,519
So it was I had a blast. I thought it

1118
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,320
was really fun and totally worth it.

1119
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: When I used to go with my kids years ago,

1120
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,719
the food was so gross, but the cliff diver was cool.

1121
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,199
Did they have maybe someone with the like juggling torches maybe,

1122
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320
I don't know. They had all kinds of crazy stuff

1123
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,119
over there. All right, that's I'm happy they kept that

1124
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:47,719
place going.

1125
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 3: I am too. And they have a little museum, and

1126
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,639
the museum is very honest about how bad the food

1127
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:56,800
used to be. And this is such a Trey Parker

1128
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,519
matt Stone touch. But the museum goes through history because

1129
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,320
there used to be many cosa Benita's I think this

1130
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,440
one's the only one that survived really, and yeah, I

1131
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,079
was started by a guy out of Oklahoma, or I

1132
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,079
think he was out of Oklahoma. There definitely were some

1133
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:13,920
in Oklahoma, Arkansas. Places like that, and it goes through

1134
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,840
the history, but like right in the middle, it'll say,

1135
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,719
like this cell phone was found in twenty fourteen. If

1136
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,960
it's yours, like in the museum. If it's yours, please

1137
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,880
contact the front office or whatever.

1138
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: I just love places like that.

1139
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: I have nothing. I watched one movie with my kids.

1140
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,920
We were all too old to be watching this movie,

1141
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,360
but we did anyway. It was the Minecraft movie with

1142
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,320
I really want to talk about it very much, Jason

1143
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:46,360
MoMA and Jack Black. It was a waste of two hours.

1144
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,320
It's fine if your kid. I'm sure that was it

1145
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:49,599
for me.

1146
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,599
Speaker 3: Okay. I did have some movies too nice. I know.

1147
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:57,239
I'm just I'm all cultured up here. I'll skip the

1148
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Miss Congeniality too Armed and Fabulous. That was pretty bad.

1149
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,159
But on the plane I watched two movies which were

1150
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,000
both super weird, ok And I didn't know what to expect,

1151
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,559
Like I had just long wanted to see Banshees of

1152
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:13,840
insurance have.

1153
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.

1154
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: That's with it's an Ireland, I forget the two what's his.

1155
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 3: Name, Colin Ferrell, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I really enjoyed it,

1156
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,719
but it was very weird. I guess I didn't know

1157
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,679
it was going to be weird. And Mark was like,

1158
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,599
it's a Martin McDonough film, of course it's weird or something.

1159
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:43,599
I don't know, but about this remote island off the

1160
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:47,719
coast of Ireland in maybe like the teens or twenties,

1161
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,400
and it's about these two friends who are who have

1162
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:56,960
their friendship dissolve and it kind of goes through that.

1163
01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:02,920
And then I also watched this animated movie called Flow

1164
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,639
about a cat that gets caught I think as soon

1165
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,079
me and then has a journey.

1166
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: That yeah, I see I see people, Yeah, I see

1167
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,360
that around.

1168
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: I have not seen the movie.

1169
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,119
Speaker 3: And there was one more which was Speed, which somehow

1170
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:24,880
i'd never seen.

1171
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: So Speed with Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock.

1172
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I you love Sandra Bullock, Like that's just my

1173
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,239
kind of lady. I like her. I think she's really

1174
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,119
pretty and funny and smart and all that, and so

1175
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:42,079
I'm surprised I haven't seen it. And I thought it

1176
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:46,039
was a fantastic movie. And Mark is making fun of

1177
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,760
the kids and I for thinking it was so good.

1178
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,360
He's like, that's not a good movie. Like, well, we

1179
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:51,840
liked it a lot.

1180
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of the bad nineties movie that I know

1181
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:58,280
isn't great, but I love watching, like the one with

1182
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,119
with Keanu Reeves is the Surfer is the under undercover

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surfer guy.

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Speaker 3: On that point break point break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, point break point break.

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Speaker 1: Great. If people would like to reach the show, just

1187
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as a reminder, they can email us at radio at

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the Federalist dot com. Molly, I won't be here next week.

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I'll be on vacation. We will have a special guest.

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You will Mark Hemingway. Yea, yeah, he's been. He's been

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a co host before with me, but that will be

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with you. Be real for everyone. Yeah, but anyway, until then,

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be lovers of freedom and interest for the prey.