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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. For tonight's show, we're continuing the trend of

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guests dealing with very unfortunate circumstances, and I think I'm

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selling it short by a long shop by saying that's

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just an unfortunate in a circumstance that Tonight's guests are

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dealing with. Imagine what it would be like to finally

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get your dream property, well, to get the property that

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you plan to turn into your dream property. You start

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working towards that goal and everything looks great. But as

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time goes by, as you get closer and closer to

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making that dream reality, a problem pops up in the

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form of wildlife dog men. Well, that's what happened to

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tonight's guest several times over. If you listen to episode

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five point thirty five, you heard her come on and

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talk about some of the things that had already happened

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to her. Of course, I'm talking about Tiffany. Well, since

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that episode aired, unfortunately, some more extreme things have happened,

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not just to Tiffany but to her daughter, Mattie as well.

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Mattie's ten years old. By the way, Well, without any

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further ado, let's bring them in here now, Tiffany and Maddie,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hello, can you hear us?

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Speaker 2: I sure, key in loud.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I lost your there for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. He dropped out of the studio.

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I thought, oh no, this is bad. I'm gonna have

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to sing to entertain the guests.

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Speaker 3: But right now we're back.

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Speaker 2: He came back. Youah, thank goodness. Well, I'm sure there

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are a lot of people listening to tonight's show Tiffany

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who missed episode five point thirty five. So for those people,

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please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Like before, I said, I'm I'm definitely a country girl.

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I grew up in the country, very small town. Still

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live in a very small town, way more rural area

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than I ever thought i'd be in. I'm a mom

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of six children, all ages from you know twenty he'll

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be twenty three to four months old, and Madeleine's my

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only girl. Ten years old. So you know, me and

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my husband live in our dream on my dream property.

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It used to be my uncle's property a long time ago,

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and he ended up losing his job, losing the property.

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It went up for sale, and my uncle passed away

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some time ago, which is really hard on our family.

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And I had been renting for a really long time,

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and I seen the property come up for sale, just

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whipping through like emails I get like realty emails all

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the time, and I seen it and I made it

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my goal to get that property. It was very hard

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because it was way out of my out of my

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price range, but I did that. And we've been here

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for many, many many years, long time, and this dog

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man stuff has been going up. I didn't know that

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they were called dog man when I first seen one.

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I didn't really know what to think. And I only

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knew found out about dogmen because of my husband. He said,

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I think you need to start listening to dog Man

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and Cap Purse Radio. And I did, and I've you know,

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I just I've listened ever since because I can relate

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so much, especially with some of these stories, these encounters,

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I just I can really relate to a lot of them.

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These things have been on our property since I've been here.

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I think they've even been on my property when my

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uncle bought the property back in nineteen ninety five. Who

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knows how long is. There's a neighbor up the road,

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an old man. His name is Seth. His wife has

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passed away eight years ago, but he's had He said

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his wife has had some encounters also, so I know

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I'm not the only one her. And basically that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from your conversations with neighbors, it sounds like you

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definitely aren't. So you know what they say about misery

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loving company. Although you're such a good person, I'm sure

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if you could snap your fingers, you'd do anything to

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make us so they didn't have to deal with those

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dog men.

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Speaker 3: So absolutely, I don't want them to have to go

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through what we've been going through. And to be honest

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with you, like you and I talked vick I when

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I went down to talk to that one neighbor that

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sunned me away, she I was worried for them, especially

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when you can't talk to them about this situation. And

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like I said, she came over when she saw, you know,

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the property being up for sale and she uh, she

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told me, you know, about her husky, that something's been

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messing with her husky. Her female husky has been leaving

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and nights and not coming back until four or five

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back in the morning. And she says she hears lots

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of things. She thinks she sees things from afar away.

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She's like, but I never she never knew what dogmen

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were until I just explained everything to her, you know,

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last week when I was talking to you about it,

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and because I was worried, I heard her calling her

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dog's name all night long, so I knew something was

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going on. But her dog has been coming back smelling

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absolutely horrible, like death. She said she can't even let

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her back in the house anymore. She can't. She's washed

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her with tomato juice, all sorts of stuff, took her

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to the gat cannot get the smell away. So I

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hope that situation plays itself out because I don't see

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them leaving anytime soon. They've been here forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that news isn't encouraging at all about the husky,

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considering what we're going to talk about tonight experience, of course,

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touched on just a moment ago. You're not the only

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one joining us tonight. Mattie's here as well. What can

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you tell us about Maddie.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's the sweetest kid ever. She's she's such a big,

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big helper around the house. Like I said, she's my

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only girl. We have a relationship like like, I never

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have to raise my voice to her. I haven't had

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to raise my voice to her in years. She's she's

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such a great kid. I can say many things about her.

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He has a big smell ear to ear right now.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. I've only spoken with her that one time

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that we spoke about the experiences that we're going to

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talk about tonight. But even in that little conversation, I

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could tell she's precocious. She's ten, but she's definitely a

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very precocious ten.

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Speaker 3: She is. And you know what, she's very what's the

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word I'm looking for? Vic Like she gets old were

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things so fast and tries to find solutions to the

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problems instead of just worrying about the problems themselves. I

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don't know where she learned that from, but it's not me,

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because I seem to dwell on things quite well. So

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she helps me just as much as I help her,

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especially with this situation.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a great arrangement to me. And if she

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is the only sister all the rest of her siblings

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or brothers, sounds like she probably does a pretty good

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job of keeping them in check.

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Speaker 3: She does, She absolutely does.

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Speaker 2: I believe it. I don't doubt that at all. When

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you're ready, please fill us in on these most recent

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experiences that have been happening since you're on the shill

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last time, of course, yours Anne Maddie's, of course, in

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as chronological of in order as possible. Please be as

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descriptive as you can be.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I am going to start with so property is

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set up like I kind of if you go back

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to the episode before explaining it, as we have a

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really long driveway and that driveway looks down into a

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big pond.

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Speaker 2: Interrupt you there, Tiffany, But are you talking with the

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microfilm of your phone really close to your mouth now

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because you're louder now than you were in the soundtrack?

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Speaker 3: Nope? Is this any better?

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Speaker 2: Can you hold it a little bit further away, position

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the phone a little.

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Speaker 3: Further Yeah, I'll keep talking, and you tell me when Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 2: I think it is a little better.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to be screaming in anyone's ears.

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Speaker 3: You, Okay, perfect. As you're looking down the driveway, there's

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the pond, and at the top of the little hill

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where the driveway ends as the house, and all around

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it's you know, once side of the driveway, we got

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a little line of trees and then cornfield and then

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woods and woods. Behind right behind the house is the

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tree line. And then after the pun you know, we've

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got the tree line. So we've got woods all around us,

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and we have a wrap round porch and we love

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to sit out there all the time. That's what me

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and my husband our favorite thing is to do at night.

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So with these dogma experiences we've been having and me

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feeling like I'm being watched all the time, we set

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up like a little gazebo on the deck, the wrap

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round deck. So I mean, yeah, I could still be

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being watched, I'm sure of it, but at least I

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can't see anything. We put up cameras along the trail.

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never said I would do that. I did. So one night,

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we're sitting outside and it's me, Madeline and Tim, my husband,

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and he. We both hear something. There's a gate that's

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by the garage that when you open it, it makes

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a certain sound. We heard that. We both looked at

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each other. We couldn't hear anybody coming up the driveway,

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so obviously we don't think anybody's there. And we hear

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what sounds like like I don't even know what you

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call it, like a really like a man who's been

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smoking for a really long time. Either say watch out

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or watch it. And I know for a fact that

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we both heard it because Madeline looked right over at us.

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like did you hear that? It was like yeah, So

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we put the camera because where the gate is the

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camera like you'd be able to see anybody coming through there.

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I'm looking even in the corner of the camp like

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where the video is, I see nothing. Where did that

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the property what we had around there, that nothing was

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being bothered, everything was going to be fine. These experiences

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weren't that bad. Well, my daughter's been asking for a

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dog for a very long time, so I thought it

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would be trouse. So we went to the pound and

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we got a young German shepherd. It was about metaling

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eight months old. Yeah, I'm so cute. So dog named

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a Ruger. Well, this is the second day that we've

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had him. First day we had him, we brought him

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home in the evening, so he didn't have much time

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to acclimate, I think went outside once to go to

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the bathroom, and then we got up in the morning. Well,

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we're doing our stuff in the morning and Madeline says, hey,

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can I take him outside by the pond and I

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said absolutely yes. Well, they go running out and I'm

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behind them. But again like I'm explaining my house to you,

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goes up to the house. So they're running down to

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the pond and I'm right behind them, and I hear

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we're screaming, and I look, there's this dog. Man, I

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mean black and black, huge on top. I could don't

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even see our dog anymore. It was on top of

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get Madeline. So I'm running down the hills rest as

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I can without trying to trip, and I get between

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her and that that dogmen. I'd say there's probably about

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not even fifteen feet and I don't know. I was

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just madlin. What did you say? What would you say

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that it looked like to you?

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it wasn't, and it it was like huge, like very tall.

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amber orange color, very bright. I've heard people say, and

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I've seen dogmen before, it seems like there's a light

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coming from inside. Well, it seemed like the sun was

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literally in this dog man's eyes. It doesn't even this

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a half, but it seemed like it was ten minutes.

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And as soon as it killed Ruger, it took off

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in the woods. Now, unfortunately Madeline, this is the first

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time she's ever seen anything like this. Ever. I don't

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know him, said, he thinks that it broke its back

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or its neck, but it also ripped its leg off

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in front of like it all happened so fast, so

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I'm trying to deal with the aftermath. Madeline shaking, she stands.

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She's never seen anything like this. This thing was did

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it come out like I've talked to her about this before,

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like when we've seen it go back into the woods.

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It was on two legs. This thing was the same

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what I'll explain in a minute. This thing is the

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same dog man that I've been seeing. It's got no tail.

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There's no tail on this dog man. It's got no

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backward it's legs but huge feet, like huge. I you

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know what I'm going to compare it to what I

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think it looks like. Is it looks like the biggest

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rabbit foot I've ever seen. And they're really long arms

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and really long claws. And Madeline has been saying that

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it looks like like Batman. Like the ears look like

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Batman from the Arkham Asylum. They're very tall, very sticking,

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like sticking up with like furr on the end. Like

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I wouldn't say it tough to heer. It just looks

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like a straight like its ears just go straight up

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very to like a tip to a point. So I'm

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I'm dealing with the aftermath of that with Madaline and

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us having to explain to her what just happened. And

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I called Vic the very next day, and I wanted

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him to help me with this because I didn't know

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how to handle it myself. She had she had so

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many questions and I didn't know how to answer them

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for her. She wanted to know what what this was.

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Is it human? Is it not? Is it going to

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hurt me? And I was trying to explain to her,

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like I think from from what I'm gathering, and I

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can't say, because I'm not this dog man, I don't

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know what what it's thinking. But while she was running

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down the hill, the dog, her dog, was coming after her, barking,

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not aggressively, but it could have been perceived as being aggressive.

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And I think this Dogmin's been there for a while,

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and I think, in my opinion, either it was like

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wanting to claim it's territory and didn't want that dog there,

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or it thought it was coming after Madeline. So that's

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all that's all I can think of why that incident

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would have happened Because Madelin's been outside playing forever out there,

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and nothing has ever happened to her. So we went

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to my mom's house for a couple of days and

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then we came back, and then we ended up burying

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the dog. And Madelin did find by where we buried

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the dog that there was like a bunch of pine

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cones and they were all set up in a row.

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And nobody comes on our property, so I don't think

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anybody would have done that. Like Vick and I were

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talking like, these dog men don't have compassion like that.

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They're not going to be like, oh, yep, sorry I

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did that. That's not ever going to happen. So I

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don't know what that was all about, but it wasn't

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a little while after that, we have a lot of

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wild berries on our property, like most farmlands do out

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in the woods. We've got raspberries, we've got blackberries, we

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have all that kind of stuff out there. So I

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was picking them. This was like a week later. A

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week and a half later. I'm out there picking berries

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and I'm on the trail and I'm going I'm going

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off the trail a little bit, and I don't know

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if anybody who's ever been berry picking before. But for

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those who have, you kind of get into it a

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little bit and you're like, oh, my gosh, there's a

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bush with more there's oh, look at those. Those are great.

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So I'm going a little further than I should because

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I'm not in sight of the cameras anymore, the trail cans,

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because each one that we had was looking at the

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other one just to be sure, like if we caught anything,

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I wanted it. I wanted it on there. And before

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I knew it, I this is still a little bit

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hard to talk about. I feel my face getting red

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and hot. I heard like this snapping noise, like something

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walking on twigs or on branches or something. It didn't

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sound heavy, it didn't sound loud, but it was enough

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to make me like, you know, stop what I was

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doing and turn my head. And as soon as I

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looked up and looked over to I looked to my

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left first, and then I looked to my right, and

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right to the front of me to my right was

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the ugliest thing I've ever seen since two thousand and two.

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This dog man was. It didn't have any hardy hair

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at her face. It had pigment where hair should have been,

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but it wasn't. Like I'm trying to explain, like like

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if you have a skin color and then you have

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black patches where it looked like hair should have been

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that wasn't. And the way that it was hunched over,

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it was still on all four legs. The way that

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it was punched over. This thing was long. Like I'm talking,

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I don't know. I guess I really haven't seen too

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many dog man to compare it to. But this thing

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was long and it was tall on all fours. And

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I heard this noise coming from behind me, and I'm

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too focused on this dog man in front of me,

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and I'm thinking the look on its face. Its eyes

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were like the greenish yellow that I've seen a long

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time ago, with like the red circle in the middle,

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and I'm staring at it, and I'm thinking in my head,

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should I look down? Should I look away? Before I

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could even think about moving or pulling my phone out

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or screaming or crying or doing anything, that black dog

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man jump. I don't know if he jumped off of

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the tree, if he jumped behind me. It looked like

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he flew out of the air at this thing. And

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they start sounding like grizzly bears fighting. I don't know

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if somebody wants to google what a wolf fight sounds like.

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This is nothing like that. You'd have to search up

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just to get an idea like a grizzly bear fight,

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because it sounded so horrible. These things are scratching at

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each other and they start I don't even know if

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they're biting at this point, because I turn my head

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and I start walking backwards as fast as I can.

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And I had not only knowsed this, We've talked about it,

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I had urinated on myself. I've never had fear like

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that before. And I've been in a lot of scary

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situations in my life doing some of the stuff that

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I'm doing when I was younger, and I've never been

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even even when kids have been in the hospital sick,

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not being able to breathe, stuff like that. This was

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scarier than any of that, because I've never been in

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a situation where I've been that close to something. Before

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I was behind four walls, or I was somewhere where

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I could get to a door right away. This wasn't

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anything like that at all. I was so vulnerable, and

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that just goes to show you how naive. I've been

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about this whole situation.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And I get back home. I called him and I said,

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I should I call nine one one, And he goes, no,

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it's diffan. He's like, what are they gonna do? You

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know they're gonna come out here. They might not even

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be here, and you know they might write you up

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for a crazy looney ben or something. Well, I don't

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believe that that's true. Maybe that's true, but it wasn't.

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I don't tell me my neighbors didn't hear the either

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far away but not too far away. Don't tell me

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that they didn't hear what was going on. I don't

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care if they were in their house. This was loud,

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and it wasn't a little while after that, we keep

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having this game warden, driving up and down the road,

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up and down the road, up and down the road.

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We don't get cops up here. We don't get unless

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they're called to a house or something. We don't get

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any of that. And they're driving up and down the road.

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And it wasn't a little while after that that our

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SD cards came up missing out of our trail cams.

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There's nothing I can do about that. I can't prove

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somebody was on their property. I didn't see anything, so

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I went around. I told Vic, I said, I've been

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talking to my neighbor and the old man neighbor, and

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he said, you know, my wife used to gift them,

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gift the dog men, you know, food and stuff like that.

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And I told her. At first I thought she was nuts,

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that she had lost her mind. Now this he was eighty,

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he's been in war before, he's seen things, you know,

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and and here he is thinking that his wife is

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going senile. And he's like it wasn't until I was

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out in the garage. He's like, you, I don't know

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if it was. He's like, this thing didn't look like

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what she was describing to me. What he was describing.

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What this old man Seth his name is was describing

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to me was I sponded to me like a like

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a sasquatch, not a dog man. And you know, we've

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been growing up there, given him dinner and talking to

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him about these situations and stuff. And when I saw

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the game morning and a sea cards go missing, and

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that the incident that happened out in the woods, I'm

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thinking in my head, like did he call somebody because

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he got worried about us girls, or you know, it

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could have done anything. So I have nothing but time

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when all the kids go to sleep, too simply obsessed

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about this. I hardly get any sleep because I'm scared.

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I'm nervous. And anyone has had an encounter like that,

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it replays in your head all the time you're going

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to see it. I was taking a shower one night

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and I this is going to sound crazy, but like

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I have a shower curtain that looks like woods, you

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know what I mean. It's like really nice. I've got

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a matching a matching curtain that looks like woods, with

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like fog in the background and all that I'm taking

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a shower and I swear, I'm like it's replaying like

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in the background in the shower curtain, and I'm just like,

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oh my gosh, I can't. I need to keep my

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mind busy. I cannot be obsessing about this. And I

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called Vic to talk to him about all of this,

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and me and my family have made the decision to leave,

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to move. This isn't a place that's safe to be anymore.

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I can't. I can't be held up in my house.

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I can't worry about my kids safety. I can't worry

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about my safety. What good is so much property if

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we can't use it. It would have been nice maybe

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if I could, we could have just coexisted with this

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black dog man, But that's not the case at all.

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Like I don't know what else is out there now.

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And so we've been saying at my mom's which I

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said I would never do it, But it's been great.

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She's been really supportive about all this, and Madeline's been

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having a great time. But Madeline now is having a

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hard time with the decision of moving away and but

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she but I think it's easier on her mind right

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now that were going to be finding another place. But again,

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this is where she grew up, so this is just

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as hard on her as it is me. So we've

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had lots of talks about it. He's been silent a

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lot lately, which has been worrying me about this situation.

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So I thought tonight, you know, her and I had

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a long talk about coming on the show, and I

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think that it would help her to get this out

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now instead of later, instead of trying to deal with

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this later. So Tim had to go back to the house.

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We all had to go back to the house and

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reps and stuff. So we were doing that and I

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left with the babies around four pm, and Madeline and

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Tim were still there. They were supposed to be out

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of there within the next couple hours, but they decided

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to stay a little bit longer in play oculous mediquest,

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and they didn't get back out to the garage. They

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were supposed to be taking some of the stuff out

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of the garage and bringing it to my mom's house,

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like his workout stuff, so we can do stuff like that.

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And this is not my encounter. This is their encounter.

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So so Madaline, if you could help me with this

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bow isn't there. But this is what he's called me.

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So he says, he hears Medaline whimpering. Now our garage

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from the inside, it has a double garage door, like

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a double garage, and then on the side of it

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is a door with a window. And he said he

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hears Medaline whimpering, like starting to like cry or like whimper,

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And he looks over and she's looking at the door

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where the window is, and you can see she says,

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she described that brown dog man that eye seen to

473
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a tee and she said, it's just standing there. Tim said,

474
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,000
And Tim also seen it, and he told me. He said,

475
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,960
it's standing there, like it's hiding, like it's up against

476
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,200
the side of the garage, like straight up. He's like,

477
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,960
I can't see its face yet. It's like it's just

478
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,480
standing there waiting for us to come around the corner.

479
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,039
He's like, so, I pick up the garage door opener

480
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680
and I shut that garage door. He goes, we both

481
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,559
got in the truck. I locked it. He goes, I'm

482
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,880
watching that window. He goes, and it's not moving. They

483
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880
were held up in there for hours right now one

484
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,920
and he said he wasn't sure what to do. He

485
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,440
left his phone inside on the kitchen counter. He can't

486
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,279
call me our truck's the truck that he had is

487
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,200
a little bit older. He can't call me from the truck.

488
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,920
So there, I can't even imagine what you know. This

489
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,039
is the first time that he has had a face

490
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:04,599
and face encounter with something like this close. So he's like, Tiffany,

491
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,359
I know that you told me. He's like about this

492
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,920
and this. He's like, and I believe all of it.

493
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,319
He's like, I've seen certain things, like my neighbor said

494
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,839
from afar. He's like that I'd never seen it up

495
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:23,680
close like this, he said. They both medlan, was it

496
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,799
like a growl that you heard it? Was it like

497
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:30,319
a howl? What was it?

498
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: It sounded like a bear groaning, but super okay.

499
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,319
Speaker 3: She described it for like Jurassic part. She said it

500
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:43,920
was so loud, and then this thing took off and

501
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:50,759
then they left. Tim said he's never driven. She said

502
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,519
that Tim's never driven that fast down on the driveway before.

503
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,480
So he got home and now he can't stop talking

504
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,559
about it to me. And I think that just goes

505
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,599
to show, like not that we didn't have this in

506
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
common before, but now it's a lot easier to talk

507
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:15,960
to him about it. And I mean, it's had to

508
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,200
have done the same one. But like I said, I

509
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,200
didn't see this one on all I've seen the one

510
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000
on all fours. He's seen it standing up. He's like,

511
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,519
that didn't move. He's like, didn't move anything until he's

512
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,400
like the last ten minutes before we left, he's like

513
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,359
and it started like starting to peer around. He's like,

514
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,920
they these things aren't stupid. Yeah, they had to have

515
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,039
he had to have known that we got in the

516
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,759
truck and were waiting, you know, but he just stood there.

517
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,880
He's like, so I'm thinking, you know, we're never going

518
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,359
to get out of here. He's like, And I don't

519
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,759
know if it was that thing that growled, howled or

520
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,480
whatever it was, or if it was something else and

521
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:07,240
that thing took off. But that's another thing that Madelin's

522
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,000
had to deal with again. So I think that just reiterated, Hey,

523
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,480
let's we gotta go, you know, stop wasting time around here.

524
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,320
It doesn't matter obviously if we're going in the day

525
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,960
and in the night now, because it wasn't completely night

526
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:30,119
when this happened to them, you know. So this is

527
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,239
what I was talking to Vic about, is how do

528
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,920
I sell this house to somebody else? How do I

529
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,880
tell them about this? How do I explain like I

530
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960
can't be like if I get a realtor, I can't

531
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,280
be in charge of Can I say like, no children

532
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,519
can live here? Like I don't know what to do

533
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:59,639
about that situation. But that's I hope to God that

534
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,800
this is the end of any encounter I will we

535
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:10,280
will ever have in my life. That's what I've got.

536
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not an easy decision at all. You've just

537
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,360
been made to bear so many things that no one

538
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,000
should have to deal with. I mean, life is more

539
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,559
than difficult enough when you just deal with the normal

540
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,199
problems we all face on a day to day basis,

541
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,239
but dumped on top of all that or you dog

542
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,559
me in issues, that's just way too much and making

543
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:36,199
matters worse. I feel so bad for Maddie ten years

544
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,440
old having to deal with all this. That's horrible. That's

545
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:45,119
absolutely horrible. So yeah, rest assured. I've spent a lot

546
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,760
of time thinking about you and your situation. I mean,

547
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,480
I just I wish there was a magic bullet for this,

548
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,400
but I think you have fired the only magic bullet

549
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,880
there is, just moving and hopefully, like we've talked about,

550
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,760
they don't follow you.

551
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you VI. I was so thankful that

552
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,559
Tim had gotten his guns out of the house before then,

553
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,800
because all as I kept you know, I'm thinking about

554
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,440
this a lot, and as I keep thinking in my

555
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,159
head is oh my gosh, like if you would have

556
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:17,000
had a gun in the garage with him, that situation

557
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,960
could have ended up so much worse, Like it could

558
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000
have turned into something horrible, And I don't like I'm

559
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:27,800
to the point where I don't want Like, my baby

560
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960
cries a lot right now. If I'm not holding him.

561
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,400
You've got separation anxiety horribly. And I have all my

562
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,800
windows shut it, Like, I don't want any an animal

563
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,559
to hear my baby crying. I shouldn't have to worry

564
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:43,679
about that kind of stuff.

565
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: No, you shouldn't, No, not at all. I'm just so

566
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,840
frustrated with the fact that you couldn't continue improving your

567
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,239
dream property in and really making it into what you

568
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,239
want it to be. Unfortunately, because of these guys, you've

569
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,320
got to pull up steaks and relocate. But I mean,

570
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,800
you're still young. That's not to say you can't redo it.

571
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,119
You can't do it all over again in a different place,

572
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,840
but you shouldn't have to, as you well know.

573
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 3: Right right. And I just I feel horrible that Madeline

574
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,599
had to go through this, you know. I feel like

575
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:26,920
a lot of the blame falls on me. And there's

576
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,480
one thing I forgot to mention Vic. I didn't know

577
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,159
if I should be saying this or not. It's something

578
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,559
that you and I talked about. I just didn't want

579
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,239
ridicule to come from this. But I trust the people

580
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,599
that I've talked to on chap from dog Man, and

581
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,760
I feel supported enough to share this. I guess I

582
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,159
just don't want people being like, oh, Tiffany, like what

583
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,559
were you thinking? Because I got enough of it from

584
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,440
my husband. You know, this is caused a lot of

585
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,760
problems with him and I because of my naiveness when

586
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,920
it comes to these things. Now, when that black man

587
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,960
black dog Man, I thought protected me against that other one,

588
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,519
because I can't think of any other reason why it

589
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,480
would have attacked that one unless I was in the

590
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,519
way of something else, unless it was already going to happen.

591
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:27,119
I don't know. There was a really bad storm in

592
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:33,320
our area around that night, and I, in my head

593
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,199
mine spoke like went outside and was like, oh, you know,

594
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,440
if you need somewheres to go, you can stay in

595
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,079
the garage or whatever, like not thinking, not thinking, being stupid,

596
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,840
like living this like I have. It's not very often

597
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
that you think that you have a connection with one

598
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,320
of these creatures, and when you do, you're like you

599
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,199
you're curious, You're very curious. And I felt compassion like

600
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:07,079
for what you know, had happened, like I thought, I

601
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,079
like helped me. And I was telling Tim about what

602
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,000
happened because he went out in the garage. The next morning,

603
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:21,920
he said, Tiffany is like, it smells horrible in the garage.

604
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,920
We still can't get that smell out of the garage.

605
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,360
So I had been inviting something in that I shouldn't have,

606
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,800
and I've been starting something that I shouldn't have, almost

607
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:38,639
like gifting gifting an APEX predator that has intelligence. That

608
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,960
started a very big argument between my husband and I,

609
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,519
and I do now, after talking to Vic and stuff,

610
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,360
realize like the mistake I made, you know, because that

611
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,440
could have brought in other mistakes and other consequences that

612
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,199
came with it. So, like you said, I think the

613
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,519
best thing to do right now is just get out

614
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,920
and leave all this behind us and try to move on.

615
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think that's the best bet. I should

616
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,840
know the answer to this question, but I don't. Unfortunately,

617
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,880
was it an easy decision for you and Tim to

618
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,719
come to the decision to finally move Tiffany or was

619
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,320
it a difficult one? When all is considered, it was hard.

620
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: It was really hard for him. Not so much. I

621
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,320
think he was ready to go. I think that he was.

622
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:35,679
He's always like he's always said, I'll support you in

623
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,039
this I'll support you. I'll support your decision. And finally

624
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,119
he said, you know, I don't know if I can

625
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,000
leave this decision up to any more Tiffany. He's like,

626
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:51,480
this isn't safe here. And it was really hard. We

627
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,400
had a lot of long nights talking about this. And

628
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,960
in the end, now, right now, the decision is easy.

629
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,679
It's it's easy, and it seems like a burden has

630
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,519
them lifted off my shoulders.

631
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad you made that decision. Like I

632
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,800
told you several times in that one conversation, I know,

633
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,440
it's not an easy decision to make, but I do

634
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960
not like the way I'm hearing things shape up around

635
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,039
that property at all. I just don't like it.

636
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: Right.

637
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: And Yeah, one of the biggest reasons why I let

638
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,880
out a big sigh when you told me about telepathically

639
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,559
at least green lighting that black dog man coming into

640
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:35,119
the garage is I mean, dog men are just like

641
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:39,599
any other big, large predator in certain ways. It's not

642
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:42,760
a good thing to have them around on a regular basis.

643
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
It's not a good thing to have them around anymore

644
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,360
than necessary, because I mean, you could do the slightest

645
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,440
little thing that's going to push that dog man over

646
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,639
the edge and take a situation where everything's gonna be

647
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,800
okay and benign, and next thing you know, it's not.

648
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,239
So Yeah, why do.

649
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,639
Speaker 3: I honestly didn't think that that would happen. I didn't

650
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,880
think that it would go in there, you know what

651
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,840
I mean. I didn't think that at all. In the

652
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,440
fact that it did, and it hurt me, Like, that's scary, Well,

653
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,199
it is scary.

654
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 2: But like I told you when I recommended that you

655
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,360
go to the four corners of your property like other

656
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,079
eyewitnesses have done and kind of say your piece, they

657
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,639
can understand you. As hard as it is to believe,

658
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,960
these guys can understand what you say. So yeah, you've

659
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,159
got to be mindful with what you put out there.

660
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,960
People who know a lot about sasquatch Robn Haines McCrae.

661
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000
She has pounded that into the dirt, the fact that

662
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,199
you really need to be careful what you say around

663
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,559
these guys. So yeah, Unfortunately, that's a lesson you learn

664
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,320
the hard way. Thank goodness, you didn't get hurt, Thank

665
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,079
goodness none of your family got hurt.

666
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: Correct, yep, But the thing is.

667
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: What's behind you making that bad decision. Tiffany a good heart.

668
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,440
You did that because you've got a huge heart, and

669
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,239
you know, I mean, if you have a big heart,

670
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,400
you are going to make mistakes like that in life.

671
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,960
But I'd much rather have a big heart like you

672
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:18,480
have and take what comes along with that some bumps

673
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,079
in the road that not to have one. So, yeah,

674
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,440
it's unfortunate you made that mistake, but you're human and

675
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,760
you made it because of an underlying great quality you have,

676
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:31,760
So let's just see it for what it is.

677
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

678
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You are welcome. Are you doing okay

679
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,239
over there, Maddie?

680
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

681
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:46,039
Speaker 2: Good, that's really good when you had that experience when

682
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,159
unfortunately the Black Dog Man and I saw some comments

683
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,559
in the live stream the live chat where people are saying, okay,

684
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,199
so the Black Dog Man's a good one. Well, the

685
00:43:55,199 --> 00:44:00,559
Black Dog Man unfortunately did kill Ruger Maddie's poppy. So

686
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,199
in my opinion, that's definitely not the definition of being good.

687
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,840
Maybe an anti hero, I guess he could say in

688
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,679
a way if it actually was actively trying to protect Tiffany.

689
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,159
But like Tiffany laid out, we don't know for sure

690
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,840
what was behind that fight. We just don't know. But

691
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,519
going to school after having experience like that, Maddy, how

692
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:24,559
did you handle it? Was it really hard?

693
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really hard to focus in class.

694
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. Like I said before, you never

695
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,440
should have to deal with anything like this. You should

696
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,039
be able to just focus on things that a normal

697
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,480
ten year old would have to focus on. But unfortunately

698
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:46,960
there hasn't been the case here. But the good news

699
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,519
is everything is going to be okay. I mean it

700
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,239
sounds to me like your mom and Tim your dad

701
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,119
have got things under control, and I mean, everything is

702
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,360
going to be okay. You just have to believe in

703
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,000
trust in that.

704
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, thank you.

705
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 2: You're welcome. You are welcome. Tiffany. Talking about the fight

706
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,239
that you witnessed, did you see any open wounds or

707
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,440
any blood flying?

708
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,159
Speaker 3: No? I left before any of that. I saw they

709
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,639
were the black dog. Then he when he leaped on

710
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:21,840
top of the other one, the other one didn't. I

711
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,880
don't know if it was going to stand up or

712
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,199
if it wasn't, but it didn't have a chance to.

713
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,679
I mean he was on top of him, kind of

714
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,960
like what he did to Ruger, and I just saw

715
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,760
his Uh, that arm is long this thing had really

716
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,159
a really long arm, and the longest part of it

717
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,920
was not the part that's connected to the what looked

718
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,280
like a raccoon of hand, like a to its wrist.

719
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,960
The long part was the part by its shoulder and

720
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,320
by its elbow. And I didn't I just saw him

721
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,199
come around and just get like grab his face, and

722
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,079
I turn. I turn, and then I turned back because

723
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,960
I'm not turning my back and in walking away and

724
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,440
running away from these things, I was walking backwards as

725
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,760
fast as I could, and I think, to be honest

726
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:18,079
with you, after that adrenaline and I turned the corner

727
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,320
like it's turning. It's hard to explain where how the

728
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,119
trail goes. But I only saw them for i'd say

729
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,559
thirty seconds. I didn't see any blood flying, but the

730
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,280
sounds just kept getting worse and worse, and at some

731
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,480
point it sounded like either a bone crack or like

732
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,760
a crack of a whole entire tree. So I wanted

733
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,360
to get out of there as soon as possible.

734
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you, but I am glad you

735
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,599
didn't rush out of there. If you would have run,

736
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,440
then it's hard to say that might have triggered something

737
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,599
we didn't want to get triggered. It's hard to say

738
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,000
about that, it really is. But you poor thing, having

739
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,840
to experience something like that. How close did you say

740
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,559
that word to you when this fight broke out?

741
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so i'd say about that brown dogman,

742
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,920
I don't like I said, he appeared at that When

743
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,920
I heard that the crack of the like the tree

744
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,559
branch or whatever was on the ground that made that noise.

745
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,079
It was ten about ten feet away from me when

746
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,559
I seen it. When I looked over to my right,

747
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,800
I couldn't believe. It just came out of nowhere. He

748
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,400
came out of nowhere. And to see something like that,

749
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,519
I'm telling you right now, it seems not real. It

750
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,519
seems like not a reality. And my body did something

751
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:39,239
that it's never done before. I'm glad I didn't completely freeze,

752
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960
because I don't know if anybody's ever been so scared

753
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,800
that when they try to walk, they they're tripping like

754
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,000
they're in slow motion. I couldn't go fast enough.

755
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you couldn't. It was like a nightmare

756
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,840
where your feet are frozen and sand. It's probably felt

757
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,960
like poor thing, Like I said, no one should have

758
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,679
to experience anything like that. Now, just to kind of

759
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,960
clear the air here, when Tiffany's talking about the black

760
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,880
dog man and the brown dog man, understand that the

761
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,320
black one, from the way she's described it to me,

762
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,920
it's got Hominid's style legs. That means it's a type three.

763
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,159
It's a type three dog man. Some people call them

764
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:28,199
fase phase eaters, some people call them googway other things

765
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,119
as well, But yeah, definitely sounds like it's a type three.

766
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,960
The other one, the brown dog man, that's definitely a

767
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,599
canine type dog man. Now, as far as size would go,

768
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,199
the brown one was down on all fours. The black

769
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,519
one you did see stand up. The type three you

770
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:45,440
saw a stand up.

771
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,199
Speaker 3: Yep.

772
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,679
Speaker 2: How what are your opinions on and again one ever

773
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,440
stood up, So there's no concrete way to know, But

774
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,480
do you have an opinion on which one was bigger?

775
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, the black one was definitely bigger. And so I

776
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,559
had Tim glout there with me, and so the trail

777
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:10,400
cams about i'd say, forty feet away from where all

778
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,280
of that happened, and we measured the tree that I

779
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,880
thought I was buying. And you can tell something happened

780
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,280
out there. I mean there's stuff messed up everywhere. So

781
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:25,239
I measured where I pretty much thought he was standing.

782
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,360
It's about nine feet tall, give or take.

783
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:34,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty tall. Most people don't have an appreciation

784
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,960
for how tall nine feet is, but yeah they don't.

785
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,159
If you're standing close to something that's nine feet tall,

786
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,440
that is up there. It really is.

787
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: Anybody anybody that's got normal like what's a normal ceiling,

788
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:51,719
like like eight feet something like that.

789
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, normal.

790
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: If you're sitting on your pouch or if you're sitting

791
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,840
in a chair, look up at your ceiling. That'll tell you, like,

792
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,440
you know, like it's scary. It's it's horrifying.

793
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is horrifying. Doesn't do it any justice. Yeah,

794
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,039
a nine foot tall one, its shoulders are going to

795
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,400
be probably right at about the eight foot mark or

796
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,079
close to it. So yeah, it sounds like the Type

797
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,440
three was actually bigger than the brown one, the canine type,

798
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,280
And sounds like.

799
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: That black one didn't have a barrel chest, he didn't

800
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,960
have a dog chest.

801
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a Type three, so it's not it's

802
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,719
going to look more like a sasquatch, So that all fits.

803
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,440
It does when all this was going on, did you

804
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,599
notice any disparity in size between the claws and the

805
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:44,559
black one versus the brown one the canine type.

806
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't tell.

807
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: Okay, well, because of the difference in sizes that would fit.

808
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,519
I'm wondering, though, since you've had so many occurrences at

809
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,239
night out there around the property, I'm going to try

810
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,280
and ask this without tipping my hand. It's one of

811
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,760
the vetting questions. I'm not vetting you. I know you're

812
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,480
the real deal, but what I'm beating around the bush

813
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,039
ad here trying not to reveal too much, is one

814
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,480
of the vetting questions I use for people who claim

815
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,960
to have seen the dog man that actually turned out

816
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,840
to be a Type three. Right, So let's see the

817
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,960
best way to ask this when when you've been at

818
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,840
the property at nighttime looking out the windows and have

819
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,039
seen any eye shine?

820
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: Have we well.

821
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: I know you have looking out the windows, you've seen

822
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,960
eye shine, but have you ever noticed any unusual quality,

823
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,920
any unusual Careful?

824
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: Now, so I'm going to explain something to you. One

825
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:58,119
night we're out on the deck. This has happened multiple times,

826
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,480
but the first time I ever seen it I'm going

827
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,760
to tell you something right now. I thought it was

828
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:10,360
like little orange orbs bouncing in the woods, and it wasn't.

829
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,199
It was eyes, but it looked like it. Because it's

830
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:18,119
so I think the dogmen is so black you can't

831
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,000
see I couldn't see it. It literally just like looked

832
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,480
like little orange balls bouncing.

833
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: Oh no, I believe that. But if the eyes would

834
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,440
have even been still, is there a quality about those

835
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,360
eyes that you notice that that made you think, Wow,

836
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,400
that's a strange quality. H And just so you know

837
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,159
for clarity, the reason why I'm asking that is as

838
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,079
far as type threes go, not canine type dogmen, but

839
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:54,079
as far as type threes go, Googway face eaters. Talking

840
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,760
about type threes, there's a way that you can tell

841
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,199
if you're looking at eyeshine from a type three in

842
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,679
the dark, you can definitely tell, if you know what

843
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,440
you're looking for, that it's a Type three and it's

844
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,119
not a sasquatch, it's not a canon type dog man.

845
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:11,480
There is a defining quality to their eyeshine, and that's

846
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:12,760
what I'm asking about.

847
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever noticed anything like that. Vick.

848
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, don't feel bad about that. They'd have to

849
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,119
be yeah, close to within a certain range for you

850
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,480
to notice this quality. But yeah, that is a good

851
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,400
way of picking out someone who definitely saw one. If

852
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,840
someone talks to me and they're talking about the experience

853
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,119
and happened to see a Type three and then just

854
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,480
that of the blue, they mentioned this quality about the eyes,

855
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,480
I think, Okay, well, yeah, they definitely saw a Type three.

856
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:45,440
They're the real deal. Now. Like I said, again, I

857
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,079
definitely believe you have the experiences that you've been telling

858
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:53,280
us about. Maddy has as well Tim as. But yes,

859
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,239
I just wanted to ask you that because I wasn't

860
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,079
sure if you ever noticed this particular feature of their

861
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,920
eye shine, sure if you ever had an experience where

862
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,400
they were close enough for you to notice it. So yeah,

863
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,679
that's what's behind that particular question. But moving on, how's

864
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,159
Tim dealing with all this? Because for the longest time,

865
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,920
obviously he hadn't had an experience, but recently he did.

866
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,280
So how's he holding up?

867
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,559
Speaker 3: Uh, he's I think he's still in shock, to be

868
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:23,880
honest with you, like he at one point he was like,

869
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,480
you aren't trying to mess with me at the house, right, like,

870
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,360
and I was like, no, like, I would never do that,

871
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,199
you know what I mean, I would never. But then

872
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:37,039
then again that's that comes the denial, you know what

873
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:42,239
I mean. Yeah, No, he's still in shock, and I

874
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,400
think that he's under the impression of I just want

875
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,960
to protect my family right now, and I'm not going

876
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,880
to go out there, you know, stay in my ground

877
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,599
and you know, fight these things. I see now what

878
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:00,280
they would, what they look like, but they will A.

879
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things about being a father.

880
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,079
You have to be careful. Don't let that pride and

881
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,199
this this urge to protect your family causes you to

882
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,800
put yourself in the situations that you shouldn't be putting

883
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,360
yourself into. That really put yourself out there and open

884
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,119
yourself up for potentially disaster to happen.

885
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: I'm glad he said that. He said that he was

886
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,639
ready to he goes at that point right there, when

887
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,119
we were inside there and I couldn't get out, he

888
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,239
was like, if I had my phone on me, He's like,

889
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,239
I would have called my marine buddies and had them,

890
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:40,599
you know, come over and start, you know, just going

891
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,599
through the entire woods, just ripping it apart and I'm

892
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,920
just glad that none of that happened.

893
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes two of us, because yeah, that's not

894
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,719
the answer to that situation at all. It's all too

895
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,039
easy to overestimate your ability to hold your own around

896
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,239
these guys. I mean, I hear a time time people

897
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,199
think that just because they have a ten milimeter pistol

898
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,480
on their hip, or maybe above and beyond that, they're

899
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:12,519
curing of forty five seventy or something even more putting

900
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,920
than that. They think, Okay, well, I'm good. These guys

901
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,920
are so talented in the woods at getting around without

902
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,679
being heard. If they want to sneak up on you

903
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,679
and dispatch you, I don't care what you're carrying, You're

904
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,880
never going to see the attack that comes. If they

905
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,880
really want to get you, you're not going to have

906
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,519
a chance. So I'm glad that you realize that, and

907
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,559
you're going to do the best you can to make

908
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,000
sure that Tim doesn't fall into that trap. Although he

909
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,039
sounds pretty darn smart, so hopefully he wouldn't.

910
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

911
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You are welcome. You've got game cams

912
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,920
that you hung all over that property. But something strange

913
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,519
has been happening to them. Or happened past tense to them.

914
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,599
Please expand on that for us.

915
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know if it has anything to

916
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,400
do with that game morning that's been coming up and

917
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,960
down the hill for weeks. Uh. All of the SD

918
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,719
cards were missing after and it was after that dog fight.

919
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,159
All of the SD cards are missing from our trail cams.

920
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,840
And I trust my husband one hundred thousand percent. I

921
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,519
don't think it was him, you know, trying to hide

922
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,480
anything from from us or or whatever. And I don't

923
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320
think it was my neighbors coming from the property taking

924
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,760
all of my SD cards. They probably don't even know

925
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,840
I have trail cams up. So in my opinion, I

926
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:47,159
think that somebody heard something go on, somebody saw something

927
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,440
go on. Maybe they didn't just fight on my property,

928
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:53,880
you know, maybe they're running around somebody else's house at

929
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,679
night down here. Just because I didn't call doesn't mean

930
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,400
somebody else. And and I don't have a ton of

931
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,920
lights on my property out in the woods, So I

932
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,360
how I don't know who would be taking the SD cards.

933
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:17,960
I guess I just don't have an explanation for it.

934
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,519
And Tim, what he has to say about it is

935
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:26,360
if somebody's coming out here taking RSD cards after what

936
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,719
just happened. He's like, I don't think it's a good

937
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,000
idea that we're out here, you know, because who's to

938
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,239
know what's going to happen next.

939
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,639
Speaker 2: That's true, that is true. But you don't think you

940
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:43,440
have anything to worry about as far as the government

941
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,679
coming after you. I mean, yead anything that they would

942
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,039
find you crossing the line for. But yeah, this is,

943
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,400
like I said, just such a bad situation. Like I

944
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,039
said before several times, I feel so bad the fact

945
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,119
that you've had to deal with all this. This is horrible,

946
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:02,840
It really is.

947
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:08,119
Speaker 3: I mean, Vic, I'm I never thought about this, but

948
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,360
I don't think they're that smart to take as D

949
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:17,000
cards out a trick. Him's right, No, dogmen aren't, right exactly. Yeah,

950
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:18,880
so that never even crossed my mind.

951
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: No, they might smash the camera, but normally they don't

952
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,840
even do that all that often. From time to time,

953
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,000
they have, but they don't seem to make a habit

954
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,880
out of doing that. You might have a particular dog

955
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,679
man that tends to have a habit of smashing cameras,

956
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:36,679
but most of them don't. So yeah, I'm pretty sure

957
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:40,960
it was you know who doing that. Yeah, yeah, I'm

958
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,159
pretty sure that's the case. Well, let's get to some

959
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,239
questions here before we do, though, I just want to

960
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:54,639
thank Todd Bettina. Also I want to thank Peter Parsons

961
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:59,039
as well for your donations. I really appreciate it. Thanks

962
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:03,000
again so much for some awarding the show. The first question,

963
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:07,239
having said that, is from Untrimmed Savage, and they want

964
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,440
to know, Tiffany, did any legs that were like I

965
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,800
think they mean, did they have any legs that were

966
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,719
like people's legs straight, not like a dog's. We've already

967
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,440
addressed that, Yeah, one did. The black dog man was

968
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,440
a type three. It had hominid style legs, like a

969
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,719
human or a sasquatch. The brown one was a canine

970
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,760
type dog man. It had legs like a dog or

971
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,719
a horse. It stood to digitigrade. Well, if it would

972
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,360
have stood up on his back legs, it would have

973
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,679
stood digitigrade, just like a dog or a horse. Moving

974
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:45,280
on to the next question, This one is also from

975
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,000
Untrimmed Savage. They want to know, and this question, are

976
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:51,840
any graves or burial grounds closed that you know of?

977
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:59,559
Speaker 3: Not real close? I know down at the very end

978
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:04,159
of this. We have a cemetery and there is an

979
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:09,239
Indian princess, a huge statue that's very there. I'd say

980
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,679
it's like ten miles down the road. But other than

981
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:18,639
around are my property, I have no idea. We've got

982
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,440
pretty much nothing there besides a questrian farm. But yeah,

983
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,000
I wouldn't know.

984
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you have so much country around you were

985
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:32,519
there might be bureau grounds you don't know about that

986
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,400
no one knows about. It's hard to say, it really is.

987
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,320
The next question, this is a good one from bon

988
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:43,480
josso where I'm sorry bon Jasso. He wants to know

989
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:46,400
would you say that his or her eyes were animal like,

990
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,239
human like or more demonic. I'm not sure which dog

991
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,440
mean he's asking about, probably either one that you've gotten

992
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,480
a good look at their eyes.

993
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,679
Speaker 3: I got more good look at the one that we've

994
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,360
been talking about, Dick, And the only thing I can

995
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,719
try to explain to you is its pupil is so tiny,

996
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,079
like really small, and around it just looks like a burst,

997
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:15,559
like like an amber burst that looks like sun. It

998
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:21,480
looks like fire. I would say it looked more human

999
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:26,519
to me than an animal liked because they had a

1000
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,239
brow like man and I were talking about this, and

1001
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:37,639
it's got a really deep brow ridge, like like you're

1002
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:41,639
looking at a an like a man that's really upset

1003
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,840
or mad or something like that. It has that face

1004
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,280
all the time, so its eyes look very very human

1005
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,360
when they when when they do that.

1006
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, their eyes are awfully intimidating. There's no discounting that

1007
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,079
at all, as you've seen. The next one up is

1008
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:04,199
from the young homesteaders, and they want to know, have

1009
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,360
you ever experienced the incidents from the dog man's point

1010
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,719
of view like a mind speaker or a projection? And

1011
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,440
I've heard of dog men protecting children see Sasha from

1012
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,880
the last episode. Well, Sasha never did protect any kids,

1013
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,920
so maybe you're thinking about a different dog man.

1014
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 3: I've Are you still there, Vick, I sure, am okay,

1015
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:38,199
just making check. I I mean, I did go around

1016
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:40,719
the four corners of my property and I spoke my

1017
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,599
piece and I said, hey, I don't know whose territory

1018
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:47,480
this is. I don't know who was here first. I

1019
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,320
can't claim something that I don't know. You know what's

1020
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,159
right and what's wrong. I go, but it seems like

1021
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:58,320
we're neighbors, I said, And if you don't harm my

1022
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:04,280
family or you know, torture us. Basically, if you don't

1023
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,159
come intimidating anybody, I will show as much piece as

1024
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,760
I possibly can. And I just literally I think I

1025
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,119
went around I told you for about forty five minutes

1026
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:20,880
doing that. So I mean, I think that may have helped.

1027
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,800
I'm not sure, and I have looked at it from

1028
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,079
their point of view, because look at what I did.

1029
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,320
I'm like, here have the garage. There's supposed to be

1030
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,599
a really bad storm, and I'm feeling bad because I

1031
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,360
feel like this thing is meet me for some reason,

1032
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:36,960
trying to protect my family.

1033
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be what's going on. I doubt it,

1034
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,320
but I mean I.

1035
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,079
Speaker 3: Keep peaking the same thing like that can't be possible.

1036
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be. It might be what's behind it,

1037
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:54,159
but like I said, I really doubt that. Now, if

1038
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:56,639
that is the case, why is it doing what it's

1039
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:58,960
doing or why did it do what it did? Will

1040
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:01,960
never know think for these things anymore that you can

1041
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,840
think for people, but rest assured there is a reason

1042
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:10,039
behind everything they do. There's a reason. Count on that.

1043
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:13,800
This next one up is from baby Girl and she

1044
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,639
wants to know are you afraid they'll follow you when

1045
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:17,079
you move.

1046
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:26,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because right now, Oh I didn't notice

1047
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:31,239
this until I pulled something up for Vic earlier. I'm

1048
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,920
like a thirty one minute drive right now at my

1049
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,039
mother's house some property. Is that like a hot skip

1050
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,519
and jump away for them? Yes, you know, I mean,

1051
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,599
I don't see them wanting to leave the area. It's

1052
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,360
so nice up there. There's so much land, there's so

1053
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,119
many animals here, this, that and the other thing. I

1054
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,559
don't see why they'd want to follow me, But then again,

1055
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:57,400
why do dogman do what they do at So yeah,

1056
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,679
I'm nervous.

1057
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,159
Speaker 2: Understand please. So, yeah, that's about thirty miles. That is

1058
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:05,519
a hop skipping to jump for these guys. They definitely

1059
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:07,880
will travel that much one day, I'm sure of that.

1060
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,079
But that doesn't mean they are going to follow you

1061
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,199
and pop up again. But you're obviously intelligent, you know

1062
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,119
that that possibility exists. So yeah, you're gonna naturally take

1063
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:22,880
precautions so that if they do follow you, then it's

1064
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,920
not going to just blindside to you and catch you

1065
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,440
totally by surprise. But we'll keep our fingers crossed, and

1066
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,960
of course we're going to hope that never happens. They

1067
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,199
never do show up.

1068
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm praying.

1069
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that makes two of us, and console has

1070
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,800
the next one on deck. She wants to know how

1071
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,000
long again, have they been around. I'm wondering because maybe

1072
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,280
they'll be moving on soon.

1073
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: Ever since I seen the first one. That was back

1074
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:55,159
in two thousand and two, so basically since then.

1075
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: A long time. Unfortunately. This next question is from Bravo

1076
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,239
Johnny and Bravo Johnny wants to know did Tiffany grow

1077
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,519
up in the countryside?

1078
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:12,159
Speaker 3: I did very much countryside.

1079
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's such a shame. This is tainted the country

1080
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,800
for you. The country is a great place to live

1081
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,000
and be. I mean, this is one of the weird

1082
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:24,800
things about me, but I love the smell of cowpoop.

1083
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,039
That stuff smells like biscuits and gravy to me. But yeah,

1084
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,559
I mean, unfortunately, now that you have these experiences with

1085
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:35,519
these guys, it's never going to be the same for you.

1086
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:36,280
And I hate that.

1087
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not, it's absolutely not. You know what they'll

1088
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,920
I kind of I hate that Madeline has had to

1089
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,440
have this experience, but I'm also okay with it in

1090
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,519
a way because now she knows what's out there, you

1091
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:55,719
know what I mean, I don't. She doesn't have to

1092
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,679
have the surprise later on in life, say something wants

1093
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:02,559
to come around, you know what I mean. She knows now,

1094
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,000
Like like you said thick before, Unfortunately monsters don't exist.

1095
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,679
Speaker 2: Yes they do. Both of you know that now, all

1096
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:13,320
three of you know that. Now. I wish she never

1097
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,399
would have had that shown to you too. Baby girl

1098
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,239
has an next one up. She wants to know. Have

1099
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:21,960
you considered therapy for Maddie and yourself?

1100
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 3: Madeline goes through therapy. She was to counselor, and if

1101
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,920
she wants to talk with that, talk about the situation

1102
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,920
to your counselor. She's more than welcome to. But her

1103
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,600
and I have talked about you know, other people don't.

1104
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:48,119
That's never listened to your show or heard other people's

1105
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:54,079
experiences and have a closed mind. Sometimes that situation doesn't

1106
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:57,840
end well. And especially if it's written down on paper

1107
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,000
that her counselor thinks she's nuts, you know that she's

1108
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:05,439
having hallucinations. That's something I don't ever want for her.

1109
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the dangers of approaching a counselor

1110
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,680
or seeking out therapy about dogging and encounters. You really

1111
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,479
run that risk. I mean, in almost every case, they're

1112
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,920
going to think that you're crazy. And that's not the

1113
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,800
kind of thing you want a counselor to have or

1114
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,720
a therapist to think about you, because nothing good is

1115
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,319
going to come from that at all. It really isn't.

1116
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:34,239
I've got a comment that Jen cope'smade, and I'm sorry,

1117
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,159
Jen Cops. She's just basically saying, shout out to Maddie.

1118
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:41,760
You're one tough cookie. Be strong and brave. You're stronger

1119
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,840
than you know. Do you have any BFF friends you

1120
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,119
can share this with.

1121
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:56,159
Speaker 3: You? I think you'll feel Yeah, haven't you talked to

1122
01:09:56,199 --> 01:10:00,399
some of your friends about the dog man? Said that

1123
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:06,039
one of your friends said she think she saw one before? Yeah, yeah,

1124
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:09,239
she's Her friends have been really supportive about this. They

1125
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:13,079
haven't said she's been making stuff up or anything like that.

1126
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:17,840
And her teacher is really sweet. What's your teacher's name is?

1127
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:22,840
Name John? And she said that she has had a

1128
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,039
conversation with her teacher, and I guess her teacher went

1129
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:29,520
at home at night and was looking up you know,

1130
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,520
dog man and stuff like that. And she came back

1131
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,520
to Madeline the next day and she goes, I mean

1132
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,319
I just want you to be careful, you know, so

1133
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,279
not not all people are close minded. So it's good

1134
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,960
that Metaline her good support system when it comes to this.

1135
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,119
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, you can't have too much support, that's for sure.

1136
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,039
Audacia Seeber wants to know. I'm just trying to understand

1137
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,359
the body movements when they do fight, you to eat,

1138
01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,880
because I'm sure there's a lot of assumption for the

1139
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,800
those of us who haven't seen it in action. So

1140
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,039
she's kind of wondering what their movements were like when

1141
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:05,720
they were fighting.

1142
01:11:07,279 --> 01:11:09,359
Speaker 3: The one that's crouched down like a cat would be

1143
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:17,199
like shoulders up, like up off the back. Like I said,

1144
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,000
this thing was really long and its legs must have

1145
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:26,880
been very It was odd looking. The black legs must

1146
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,479
have been extremely tall, taller than I thought, because it

1147
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,800
was bumped up. I don't know if it was bumped

1148
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,840
up because it was ready to pounce on me or

1149
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,000
pounce on the black man that was behind me. That

1150
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:46,399
I didn't see the fighting I could compare to Like,

1151
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,399
I've never really watched any were wolf movies or anything

1152
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:55,399
like that are vampire movies, but I've watched a lot

1153
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:59,640
of action movies before and it's it seems like something

1154
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,399
I was literally if I was just take a step

1155
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,560
back watching on TV. The one dog man, the black

1156
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,479
dog man literally took its huge arm and just looked

1157
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,640
like it was going to crush the other one's head.

1158
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,600
And when it grabbed a hold of it, it's when

1159
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,359
I turned around. And when I turned back around, it

1160
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:20,199
looked like it had its claws inside of it. I

1161
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:22,199
don't think it did. I'm not sure if it did

1162
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:25,000
or not. I didn't see any blood or anything like that,

1163
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,920
but if the vicious fight, it sounded like I said,

1164
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:30,760
you look up a wolf fight and listen to it,

1165
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,840
and then look up a like a grizzly bear fight.

1166
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,520
It sounded worse than that. It was horrible. I mean,

1167
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,079
these things are are going at each other like not

1168
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:43,880
just a fight, like I'm going to kill you.

1169
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that must have been awfully horrible to hear. I

1170
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,199
can only imagine. Holy cow, car guys up with the

1171
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:56,720
next one. He wants to know where the dog men both.

1172
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 3: Males, I think, so, like I there was there was

1173
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,279
hair down there, so it's not something like the the

1174
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:09,560
brown one. I would have no idea. I'm pretty sure

1175
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,600
it was a male it's very unattractive. Both of them

1176
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,520
are extremely unattractive. And Mattel, did you get a good

1177
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,000
look at the black dog man in more ways than

1178
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:23,399
I didn't?

1179
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:29,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you guys were talking about earlier, it's I

1180
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,399
was sort of splanted.

1181
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:35,279
Speaker 3: The black one. Yeah, okay, I guess I didn't.

1182
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,199
Speaker 2: Well, but.

1183
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:46,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I yeah. I don't ever want to witness

1184
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,319
anything like that ever again in my life, and I

1185
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:52,479
don't want her to either. But I definitely think that

1186
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,239
they were both males.

1187
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure they were. Yeah, that's textbook behavior of

1188
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,439
male dog man. Highly doubt that either one of them

1189
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,600
were females, I really do, right. This next one up

1190
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,520
is from ed Rush two nine in pH Well, that's

1191
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,520
pretty fast. They want to know. Ed wants to know

1192
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,319
with the black dog Maion have come to Tim's aid

1193
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,840
if he sent a telepathic thought of distress that the

1194
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,439
brown dogman was lurking on the property.

1195
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:26,079
Speaker 3: I'm sure he would. Ever if he was into that,

1196
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:29,399
like he thought I was nuts when I did it,

1197
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,239
but he knew what it really happened, you know, So

1198
01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:38,119
maybe he was in his mind was sitting in the

1199
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:43,680
truck and I don't praying or or anything, even talking

1200
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,600
out loud, and maybe that's what they heard. I keep

1201
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,279
wondering that too, because Tim said he goes, I couldn't

1202
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:53,399
see most of its face. I could see its ear

1203
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,079
in half of its snout. He's like, when I heard

1204
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:01,600
that noise, I didn't see its mouthel I didn't and

1205
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:07,439
it was He's like Jurassic Park growl, like huge, he's like,

1206
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,680
and nothing took off like lightning. He's like, And I

1207
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,800
thought that was Mike cue to open up the garage

1208
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,279
door and get out as fast as I could.

1209
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,239
Speaker 2: When you're desperate like that in a very compromising situation,

1210
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,960
it's surprising what you'll do. So yeah, I mean I

1211
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,279
wouldn't be surprised if he would have done something like

1212
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,439
that to try and save his skin and understand place.

1213
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,920
So definitely. The next one up is from Sonia Vasalo

1214
01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:35,600
and Sonya wants to know did the eye shine and

1215
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,439
the dark blink?

1216
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,279
Speaker 3: Did the eye shine in the dark and blink? I

1217
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:44,239
remember it reflecting, and it looked like it was changing colors.

1218
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,880
To be honest with you, but I don't remember seeing

1219
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:47,800
anything blinking.

1220
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're so shocked by seeing the eye shine

1221
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,359
period that you're doing good to know your name.

1222
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's very true. Oh there's one more thing

1223
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,119
I wanted to mention about that brown dog man. Now

1224
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,279
it had gray marks on it, and it had gray

1225
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:09,079
marks on it, like weird looking half stripes, like if

1226
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:12,960
somebody like took so, like if he was to stand,

1227
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,760
I'm thinking, oh, well, these things are bred to camouflage,

1228
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,319
because if he was standing next to one of our

1229
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:24,239
birch trees that we have out back, you would never

1230
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,960
know that he was there if he didn't move. These

1231
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,720
things are they're made to look like other things. It

1232
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,199
had these weird gray stripes on it, and like I said,

1233
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,520
then you have any hair on its face. So it

1234
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,560
could have been standing next to me, like next to

1235
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,600
a tree or something like that, and I didn't even

1236
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,119
notice it.

1237
01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can definitely conceal themselves like it's going out

1238
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,159
of style when they want to. Although you know what

1239
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:52,760
people are with most people, you don't have to be

1240
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,640
all that camouflaged. If you just stand still in the woods,

1241
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,680
most people aren't going to notice you. So the fact

1242
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,239
that it's so well camoed, that's just going to make

1243
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,399
it that much more difficult to notice. If it's not

1244
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:09,520
moving right. That's how it is. Andras Curisalez's next question,

1245
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,159
he wants to know when you mind spoke your accidental invite,

1246
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,960
did you get emotions that feel not your own later?

1247
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,319
Speaker 3: That's funny that you mentioned that I just had a baby.

1248
01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:30,119
I've been very emotionally anyways. But I remember that night.

1249
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:34,520
I remember I kept looking out the window and I

1250
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,640
have my own bathroom time every night around i'd say

1251
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:44,079
nine o'clock. And when I sat down in the bathroom,

1252
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:46,920
I've got like a little bench there and I sat down,

1253
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,279
I was poured over with emotions. But you have to

1254
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:55,720
remember what happened that day, so you know, here I

1255
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:01,479
am thinking I've been saved by by this dog man maybe,

1256
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,319
and I have I have so many emotions. I remember

1257
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,079
just sitting there crying and crying and crying, and I

1258
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:12,600
think it was a huge adrenaline dump, like a dump.

1259
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:19,039
And I don't know those emotions were mine, But I

1260
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:21,920
didn't feel anything. You know what I did feel though,

1261
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,199
after even seeing that fight Dick and that happened, and

1262
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:31,600
being as scared as I was, I felt safe in

1263
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:35,840
my house. I felt safe after I did speak that

1264
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:40,319
like I felt it like I felt safe not to

1265
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:44,439
say that wasn't my own crazy mind, you know, feeling

1266
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,960
that way because of what I thought, you know, aspired.

1267
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,119
But yeah, that's my answer that.

1268
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: Well, when you experience such strange things like you've been

1269
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,840
made to beer, it's hard to say how it's going

1270
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,880
to affect you. Maybe the dog man is you having

1271
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,600
those emotions. It's hard to say, but all we can

1272
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,039
do is guess. Unfortunately.

1273
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, that's.

1274
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:11,520
Speaker 2: How it is. Karlata Lee Ray wants to know. Have

1275
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,479
you tried prayer for protection?

1276
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yep, I have a lot of it. Madelin too, Malan,

1277
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,439
she's been praying a lot also, she does that every night.

1278
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 2: Well that's great. That's definitely a good thing. Jim Copps

1279
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,039
wants to know, or it's her comment, shout out to Maddie,

1280
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:39,479
you're one tough cookie, be strong, And I guess I

1281
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,600
read that already, so I got ahead of myself when

1282
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,720
I posted that before I should have. But that's awfully

1283
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,239
nice for her to say this.

1284
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,119
Speaker 3: Minch Mallelan got a big smile on her face. Again.

1285
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. Well's got tons of fans, so many

1286
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,680
more fans than she's ever gonna know. That's a fact, yep.

1287
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 3: I told her. I said, like you and I talked

1288
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:07,279
about VIC, I said, you may not get a lot

1289
01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:10,520
of support anywhere else and feel comfortable talking about this,

1290
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:14,279
I go, but this is somewhere, you know, where you

1291
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:18,159
can feel comfortable talking about this situation. And that's what's

1292
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:20,199
amazing about having the channel VIC.

1293
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: Well, like I told Maddie before we started rolling, Yeah,

1294
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,640
she's definitely amongst friends here. I'm so glad that she

1295
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,079
decided to participate because who knows how much this is

1296
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:32,880
going to help her when she sees all the support

1297
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,039
rolling in from the listeners around the world. That's great,

1298
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,079
absolutely for both of you. Yeah, definitely. The next one

1299
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:45,640
up is from Audacious Amber. It's a question she already asked,

1300
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,359
but also there's one that she didn't. She is wondering.

1301
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,279
I think I've asked twice about its movements and if

1302
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:55,640
more details can be given about when they fight indeed,

1303
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:58,760
is it just arms and biting or what do they do?

1304
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 3: So, if you've ever seen a dog man fight, anybody

1305
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:13,600
that has or have a confrontation with two dog men

1306
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:18,159
that are going after each other, it happens. They're fast,

1307
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,399
They're very fast. It's like they know one another's moved

1308
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:27,840
before they even do it against Some'm confused about the

1309
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:34,520
question biting or is it just their arms biting or

1310
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,239
what did they do?

1311
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 2: I think she's wondering if they just clawed each other

1312
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,560
with their arms and bite or do they kick with

1313
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,640
their back legs also and rape.

1314
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,039
Speaker 3: I didn't see any kicking with any back legs. I

1315
01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:48,880
know that the one dog man was on top of

1316
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,520
the other one. He took his right arm and he

1317
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:56,119
literally grabbed it looked like he stuck his huge nails.

1318
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,399
They were huge nails into like the inside of its head.

1319
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:04,920
It may not have it may have just looked like that,

1320
01:22:05,359 --> 01:22:07,720
but he bit right down on the top of his

1321
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,079
side of his head where his ear was git right

1322
01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:12,960
down And like I said, I'm when I'm turning the

1323
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,359
corner away from that tree, I can't see them anymore,

1324
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:18,199
but I can hear them. And it literally sounded like

1325
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,199
a bone crack or a tree snap in half. So

1326
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,640
I mean, that's that's all I've seen happen.

1327
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:31,079
Speaker 2: Wow, I really wonder what that was. Letting go hard

1328
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:35,760
to say. We're never gonna know. Bob Jason wants to know,

1329
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,479
do you think they were just that one know who

1330
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:39,800
you and your daughter are.

1331
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:45,119
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, absolutely, I think the one does for sure,

1332
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,159
and I mean if the other one's around. I don't

1333
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:52,920
know how they communicate, but obviously they do, and I'm

1334
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,560
sure they absolutely know who me and Madeline are. I

1335
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,239
think they know who my whole family is.

1336
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I'd bet good money on that.

1337
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,520
Sonia Vasala wants to know. Is your property near any

1338
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,680
bodies of water or train tracks?

1339
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? We have a main river not very far from

1340
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:20,520
us that goes right through Pennsylvania. It goes through Has

1341
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,199
anybody ever heard of the Susquehanna River. Yeah, that's very

1342
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:32,079
close to me. There are ponds everywhere, little lakes on

1343
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,840
my hill so, and there is train tracks right at

1344
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:37,760
the bottom of our hill.

1345
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, dog man level that water being around count on

1346
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:47,640
that Sasquatch too. It looks like Pike and Bee wants

1347
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,800
to know. Have you tried telepathically asking the dog men

1348
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:51,319
to leave?

1349
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,359
Speaker 3: Nope, No, I haven't because, to be honest with you,

1350
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,319
I don't think that. I don't know if that would

1351
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:04,680
hurt my situation or seeing that as a sign of disrespect.

1352
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,239
Maybe they were here before me. I don't want to.

1353
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,399
I don't. I know it sounds weird, but at the time,

1354
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,279
I didn't want things to get worse for me. I

1355
01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:18,199
didn't want to offend something. If they can hear what

1356
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:22,880
I'm saying, which obviously he must be able to, well.

1357
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: I can definitely understand your apprehension. I mean, when you're

1358
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,239
dealing with things like this, you definitely don't want to

1359
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:34,039
upset them. So that's understandable. It really is untrimmed. Savage

1360
01:24:34,119 --> 01:24:36,880
wants to know. Yes, it's so strange with the eyes

1361
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,159
looking like animal and human at the same time, with

1362
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:44,039
the illumination. Did you see I'm sorry, with illumination. Did

1363
01:24:44,039 --> 01:24:45,960
you feel a telepathic connection?

1364
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,159
Speaker 3: No, I didn't feel a telepathic connection. But Madelyn, this

1365
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:55,680
is the first time I'm hearing of this, Like she said,

1366
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:00,119
the black dog Man, I don't know if that's the

1367
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:04,760
eyes that I'm saying outside, like the eyeshine that I'm

1368
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:12,279
saying outside is like like orangish, like like reddish. But

1369
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:16,479
she said that it looked like the eyes were slanted.

1370
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,720
The black dog Man's eyes were slanted, Yeah, like a

1371
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:26,880
lizard o cat? Not really okay, I got I'm kind

1372
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,760
of confused. About that, but now I didn't feel a

1373
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,880
telepathic connection.

1374
01:25:33,079 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: Well that answers that. I've got a question for Maddie

1375
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,520
I want to ask, and that question is, when you

1376
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,319
were laying in bed at night at the house, has

1377
01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:44,159
there ever been a time where you've heard tapping on

1378
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:46,880
your windows or any scratching?

1379
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,239
Speaker 4: There actually was one time when I was when I

1380
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:54,760
was sitting in bed, I was like trying to go

1381
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,600
to sleep, and then I hear this like it was

1382
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:02,800
sort of like I sort of like scratching on my window,

1383
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,199
but money at the same time, like he was trying

1384
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,079
to get my attention.

1385
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:15,079
Speaker 2: Hmmm, did you were you ever tempted to pull back

1386
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:17,479
the drapes and look or was that a no.

1387
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:21,159
Speaker 3: No, no good.

1388
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad you didn't. Yeah, please never do that.

1389
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 3: I tell her no. I always tell her, I said,

1390
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:33,079
you stay away from those windows that night. No, nobody

1391
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:35,520
has a sleep walking in my house.

1392
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,520
Speaker 2: Thank gosh, what a great mom. You're on it. This

1393
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,880
next one up is from Christina Easter Day. Christina wants

1394
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,319
to know how about talking to the one lady that

1395
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:50,640
her little girl grow up. I guess she grew up

1396
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,720
around them. I can't remember the lady's name Tiffany may remember.

1397
01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1398
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Actually, in our first conversation, first private conversation, that's something

1399
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,479
that Tiffany and I talked about. I talked about that

1400
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,479
lady and the episodes that she had been on, been

1401
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,920
featured on and everything, and yeah, I think it'd be

1402
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,680
a great idea for these two to talk. I'll see

1403
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,920
if I can't arrange that. I can't remember when we

1404
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,880
had that first conversation. Did you tell me, Tiffany that

1405
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,199
you definitely wanted to have a conversation with her?

1406
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I said it was one of the episodes that

1407
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,960
stuck in my mind the most because it reminded me

1408
01:27:28,079 --> 01:27:31,640
so much of Minor Madaline situation. Yeah, you helped me

1409
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,079
find who that was. I forgot because I listened to

1410
01:27:34,119 --> 01:27:35,000
it so long ago.

1411
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,199
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. Your name's Robin, and I can

1412
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:41,359
definitely reach out to her to put you together. She's

1413
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,800
really nice and I'm sure she would jump with the

1414
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,359
opportunity because, like you said, she has a daughter who

1415
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,199
is just about Maddie's age when all this craziness started

1416
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:51,720
to happen.

1417
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,239
Speaker 3: That would be great because my neighbors, like I said,

1418
01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:02,159
Seth is great, the old man. But I was telling Vic.

1419
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,920
The first time I went down to my neighbor down

1420
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,479
the hill and knocked on her door to maybe have

1421
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,399
a conversation about what was going on in the in

1422
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:15,359
the countryside neighborhood I hope here. She literally looked at

1423
01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:19,479
me and said that she wasn't that she basically didn't

1424
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,720
want to talk about it, and shut the door in

1425
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,239
my face, which it was a little surprising to me.

1426
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:28,079
But it just goes to show that these things must

1427
01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:29,479
cause havoc, you know.

1428
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. Like I told you before we started

1429
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,600
rolling tonight, I'd be astonished if all of your neighbors

1430
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,079
in every direction haven't had experiences with these guys. I

1431
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:43,159
just most of them haven't told.

1432
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: You, right, exactly.

1433
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it is. Jen Copps wants to know.

1434
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,800
I'm so thankful you have good friends and teachers. Obviously

1435
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:57,399
addressing Maddie. This definitely helps, Maddie. There's so much in

1436
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,359
this world we don't understand yet. I admire you and

1437
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:04,079
your strength. Well, definitely, yeah, Maddie, just like your mom

1438
01:29:04,199 --> 01:29:08,000
is awfully impressive. Oh, you're welcome, And yeah, I'm sure

1439
01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:11,239
Jin heard that as well. She's just telling it like

1440
01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:14,840
it is. Both of you are so impressive. The next

1441
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:19,079
one up is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to

1442
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:24,039
know any graveyards around in reports of vandalism like holes

1443
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:26,000
digging from newspaper.

1444
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:33,399
Speaker 3: Articles, not that I know of. No, we haven't had

1445
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:38,000
any new houses being built in the area. We haven't

1446
01:29:38,039 --> 01:29:43,279
had anything being dug up or going on. Well, that's

1447
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:48,760
not really true. We have had people. It's an electric company,

1448
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,880
isn't it that one. I think it's a fiber optic

1449
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,800
network company trying to get up here, and they've been

1450
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,000
digging along the sides of the road making all sorts

1451
01:29:58,039 --> 01:29:59,000
of racket and stuff.

1452
01:29:59,039 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 2: But other that now, well, that answers that. It does

1453
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,720
make you wonder if them digging for whatever reason, if

1454
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,680
that did disturb something that shouldn't have been disturbed. We're

1455
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,279
never going to know. All we can do is guess, obviously,

1456
01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:17,520
but it does make you wonder. Bon Jasso wants to know.

1457
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,520
I know you mentioned about the difference between them. Do

1458
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,399
you think the brown one could stand up on two legs? Well, yeah, definitely,

1459
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,760
all dog me can stand up on their back legs.

1460
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,479
Whether it's a ken and I type, whatever variant of

1461
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,479
a key and I type you're dealing with or a

1462
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,319
type three. All of them can stand up and walk

1463
01:30:34,359 --> 01:30:38,439
by pedal lee, so that's a given there. And then

1464
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,680
the next question is from Daniel Williams. Dan wants to

1465
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,760
know you and Maddie are incredible humans. You're tough, Maddie

1466
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,560
deserves all the best, as you both do. You were

1467
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,039
right to leave. Are you glad that you did?

1468
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 3: That's really nice of you? Daniel? Yeah? Absolutely, Like I

1469
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:02,800
said at first, no, but I know. Are you happy

1470
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,439
to get out of it? Get out of there?

1471
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 4: It's happy, but not happy.

1472
01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:14,319
Speaker 3: I did that? Why because I just grew up there.

1473
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,640
I understand, Honey. It's hard. It's hard, but we're both

1474
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:24,279
glad that hopefully we never have to deal with this again.

1475
01:31:24,399 --> 01:31:29,000
We're looking at moving into a town close by to us.

1476
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,960
It's got lots of houses, big yards, the kids can

1477
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:40,520
still play, but we're not really near out like acres

1478
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,319
and acres and acres of property like we are right now.

1479
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,119
Or we maybe might have to deal with this again.

1480
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: Because with that saying, I hope you never do have

1481
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,880
to deal with them again. Got my fingers crossed for you.

1482
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,840
Sonya Vasalo wants to know is your property on a

1483
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:03,119
lay line. What's that a lay line? Well, these are

1484
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,359
lines where a lot of pre normal phenomena are found

1485
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:08,640
close to you. That's not what a lay line is,

1486
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,880
but that's why she's asking. There are latitudinal lines that

1487
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:18,279
go across the globe, and for some reason, piranormal phenomena

1488
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,720
tend to happen pretty close to lay lines on a

1489
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,159
regular basis. That's what she's getting at.

1490
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I'll have to look into that and see

1491
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,439
if my property is near, you know, on or near

1492
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:33,439
something like that.

1493
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just might be. It's hard to say. Andras Carrizalez

1494
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,680
is the next one up. He wants to know have

1495
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,039
you listened to that episode that also has dog men,

1496
01:32:45,279 --> 01:32:48,520
has a dog men fight, but a bigfoot family helped.

1497
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,039
He's asking about episode two seventy six.

1498
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:55,359
Speaker 3: I don't think I've gotten that far yet, but now

1499
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:56,640
I want to listen to it.

1500
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty intense. It was. I still remember that.

1501
01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:05,399
It's almost like a host of that episode. This next

1502
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,399
one is from Wait a minute, I did. This next

1503
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:11,640
one up is from baby Girl and she wants to

1504
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,600
know if you have any caves or mines around the area.

1505
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,039
Speaker 3: We have a lot of what looks like weird dens.

1506
01:33:20,119 --> 01:33:22,920
I call them that one. She finds them all the

1507
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,840
time we have. You go further down on our property

1508
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:33,199
to the right, there is i'm gonna call them weird

1509
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,600
clicker bush cooking things. I'm not sure what they are.

1510
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,760
You know, those thistle looking wood that would looking stuff

1511
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,279
with the floors that are coming out, and they're all

1512
01:33:44,319 --> 01:33:47,319
twisted and they're twisted around each other, and in the

1513
01:33:47,359 --> 01:33:51,079
middle of it is like looks like a big open space.

1514
01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:55,640
They look like little dens everywhere, but I know other

1515
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:00,239
animals also do that, but these are big. And yeah,

1516
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:04,680
we do have some some dug up dens in our area,

1517
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:07,680
but it's hard to tell what that could come, what

1518
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,399
that could be from.

1519
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not lost in you. They just might

1520
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:16,359
be using those dens. It's hard to say. Linda four

1521
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,520
Okay wants to know or I guess it's a comment.

1522
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,800
Her comment is some have had success with blessing their

1523
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,199
boundaries to keep them out.

1524
01:34:27,279 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, I think i've When I went out there and

1525
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,319
I talked to my property and I talked to what

1526
01:34:35,399 --> 01:34:38,159
I thought was a dog man or anything else that

1527
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:44,119
may be out there. I said, I thought that was

1528
01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:48,600
blessing it. But I didn't bring like a I guess

1529
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:52,279
like a church person out to like bless the land

1530
01:34:52,359 --> 01:34:56,920
or anything like that. But if the new owner wants

1531
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,560
to do something like that, I will help them with

1532
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,000
this is situation like that. But I guess my main

1533
01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:07,119
concern right now with the property is finding somebody else

1534
01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:08,920
to make it a home that is going to be

1535
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,520
okay with that kind of stuff being around.

1536
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really, uh a difficult situation there. How

1537
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:21,680
do you handle trying to explain what's going on to

1538
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:26,119
a potential buyer the property? That is not an easy situation.

1539
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,319
I feel for you, I really do.

1540
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,159
Speaker 3: You know what I be. I think I'm just going

1541
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:35,239
to be upfront and if they think I'm crazy, that's fine.

1542
01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:38,439
I'll probably never seen them again. But if they if

1543
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,560
they're kind of like, you know, oh yeah, maybe I've

1544
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,520
ever heard a document before, like you know what, We'll

1545
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,520
still take the property, like, I'm sure it's a beautiful

1546
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,720
property and there's never any houses for sale up here ever,

1547
01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:59,439
so I'm sure we'll go fast and somebody might want

1548
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,319
to try to past what I'm telling them that I

1549
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:08,000
will try to nail home the significance of how serious

1550
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:12,640
it is. But I think that you know, whoever else

1551
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:17,000
has is going to end up with the property. I

1552
01:36:17,039 --> 01:36:18,680
hope they have better luck than I did.

1553
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know it is honesty is always the best policy.

1554
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:26,800
So I'm glad you're going to handle it that way. Well, oh,

1555
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,199
you're welcome. Well, I've got a couple of questions left,

1556
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:32,319
but before we get to those, I want to start

1557
01:36:32,319 --> 01:36:36,399
posting some pictures you submitted. I've got the first one posted.

1558
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,239
Please tell us what we're looking at.

1559
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're where the obviously the red, little red

1560
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,560
marker is there. That's where the property is, and all

1561
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,479
around that's farmland. I just wanted to pull up a

1562
01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:56,199
more not zoomed in view so the viewers can see

1563
01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:59,920
how far away from everything that we are.

1564
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty remote right there. How about

1565
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:07,960
this second picture?

1566
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,039
Speaker 3: Yea second picture is a picture of I wanted to

1567
01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:15,520
show the picture of the back of the property you

1568
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,800
if anybody wants to. I don't know if you consuming

1569
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,479
on your video, but that little tiny dot right there

1570
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,840
next to that cornfield that's been corned off of equipment's

1571
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,520
called already that's not my property. My property is right

1572
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,560
after that where my driveway is that house right there,

1573
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,479
that's my property, and behind all that behind it is

1574
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,199
my property.

1575
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,359
Speaker 2: So you're talking about the house, it's directly below that cornfield.

1576
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:46,560
Speaker 3: Yep, that's me.

1577
01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I see that makes sense. How about this third photo.

1578
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 3: That's my house. So that driveway that I'm telling you,

1579
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,640
I know you can't tell from an aerial the aerial

1580
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,680
view that as you're you know, driving down the driveway,

1581
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,920
you're up a little bit, so that pond is down lower.

1582
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:09,359
It's not a slope, it's not a tiny littlehill. And

1583
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,640
as you go up the hill a little bit more,

1584
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,800
that's the house. And as you guys can tell if

1585
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,000
you're looking at the house, the tree line is up

1586
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:23,840
against my house. So usually when we see stuff it's

1587
01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:27,279
right down by the pond. By that tree line. Down

1588
01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:28,039
by the pond.

1589
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:33,359
Speaker 2: You don't have that much room between that house and trees.

1590
01:38:34,399 --> 01:38:39,520
Like you said, yeah, that's good in a way and

1591
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,600
bad in another way. Makes it off easy for them

1592
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:47,239
to spy on you, right, Yeah, definitely. How about this

1593
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,119
next photo. What are we looking at.

1594
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 3: Here, Madeline? You want to explain? So I drew a

1595
01:38:56,039 --> 01:39:05,039
photo of the brown dog and that's her interpretation of

1596
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:08,560
what what the brown dog man looked like.

1597
01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good sketch. She's a lot more talented

1598
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,079
than I am. I can't do that.

1599
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 3: She's not wrong though. That was with the rounded ears,

1600
01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:25,800
like I said, Tim and her explained to me exactly

1601
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:31,039
the same one I saw. And its face. Of course,

1602
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:35,840
the dog man's not Warrence, but it's face like I said,

1603
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,239
had those pigment markers on them. And she got the

1604
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:42,039
teeth right. The teeth had teeth behind the teeth.

1605
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there were. So you didn't notice any

1606
01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:52,960
tufts on the tips of its ears, Maddie, No, I

1607
01:39:53,039 --> 01:39:56,720
don't think so, like a Lynx. Okay, well, if it

1608
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,359
had those tufts, you'd notice it. So yeah, not have

1609
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,880
had them. How about this next sketch?

1610
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: So this is the black dog man that I drew

1611
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:18,119
and it's my Yeah, she's pretty accurate on that. That

1612
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:22,039
black dog man has broken teeth, by the way, you

1613
01:40:22,119 --> 01:40:24,920
can definitely tell when it when it opens its mouth.

1614
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,880
It's got some broken teeth in the front. What's very

1615
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,520
pointed ears like like Madeline described before, it looks like

1616
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,319
if you look up Batman Arkham Asylum, like its ears

1617
01:40:39,359 --> 01:40:40,239
are tall.

1618
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 2: Are those curls on its forehead? Does that represent long?

1619
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,680
Did it have unusually long fur on its head?

1620
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:49,039
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1621
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:53,199
Speaker 2: I see, I thought that's what that was. Well, you

1622
01:40:53,279 --> 01:40:55,880
did a great job with those sketches, like I said,

1623
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,560
a lot better than I could do. Thank you, You're welcome.

1624
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:05,880
I'm impressed. Well, let's get to these last questions here.

1625
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:10,119
The next one is from Audacious Amber and she is

1626
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,239
I guess it's more of a comment. They've been coming

1627
01:41:13,359 --> 01:41:16,800
down to Maryland from Pa' right beneath where she's talking,

1628
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,399
and we're all up in the woods on the Marylan side.

1629
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,560
I think there's a reason I'm not going now. Well

1630
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,359
I could understand that, but I'm sure you spent a

1631
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:28,640
lot of time in the woods up until now, Amber,

1632
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,800
and I think you'll still be just fine if you

1633
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,640
ever do head back in the next one is from

1634
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,640
bon Jasso when he wants to know or it's a comment.

1635
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:41,000
Remember you did say earlier that you thought they were

1636
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,159
it could follow you in your family, So I guess

1637
01:41:44,199 --> 01:41:44,920
it is a question.

1638
01:41:46,319 --> 01:41:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, like I said, I didn't realize. I mean,

1639
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:54,199
this is this is all happening so fast. I didn't

1640
01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:57,159
expect to be moving all my stuff out of my house,

1641
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,720
moving my whole family from a place where I thought

1642
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,439
we were going to spend the rest of our lives.

1643
01:42:03,159 --> 01:42:12,199
So so yeah, I ten, So yeah, I'm nervous that

1644
01:42:12,279 --> 01:42:15,520
they might follow us. It's a thirty one minute drive

1645
01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:21,960
to my mom's house from the property. You know, the

1646
01:42:22,079 --> 01:42:25,279
places that we're looking at aren't that far away. Like

1647
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:28,319
I said, I hope that they wouldn't, but I'm not

1648
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:30,760
close minded to that possibility.

1649
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said before, no one should even have

1650
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:38,000
to worry about things like this, but unfortunately, I mean,

1651
01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:41,600
you've been dealt this hand. You've got to deal with it, unfortunately.

1652
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,159
But you're doing the right thing, like I said, by moving,

1653
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:48,520
trying to remove yourself from this predicament. And like you said,

1654
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,159
it wasn't an easy decision to make in the first place,

1655
01:42:51,239 --> 01:42:54,159
so you deserve a lot of credit for that. This

1656
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:58,640
next question for you is from Brian Linker, and Brian

1657
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,520
wants to know, Hello, Tiff, what county.

1658
01:43:01,279 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 3: Are you in.

1659
01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:05,560
Speaker 2: Of course I wouldn't recommend answering that, but that's his question.

1660
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,279
And then he also wants to know I'm in Northumberland

1661
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:12,239
County right along the river and have many family and

1662
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:15,880
friends in PA. So it's more of a comment than

1663
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,279
a question there, or at least it's a question that

1664
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:22,279
you shouldn't answer. Y, I'm not nearer there.

1665
01:43:22,359 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: Anyways.

1666
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 2: Here's a good question for you. It's from baby Girl

1667
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:31,399
and she wants to know do you have any caves

1668
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,119
or mines around the area.

1669
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any besides those dens.

1670
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,079
Speaker 2: She's asking that because she knows the dog man seem

1671
01:43:42,119 --> 01:43:43,760
to love caves, So.

1672
01:43:44,079 --> 01:43:48,520
Speaker 3: Right, good question. I haven't. Like, there's where we live,

1673
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,039
Like I have my property, but you want to be

1674
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:56,159
careful where I live going out on anybody else's property

1675
01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:59,920
without talking to them first, because we have some really

1676
01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:03,600
backwards people here, and it's not somewhere is where I

1677
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:07,560
can just be like, hey Ellen pay Tien, you want

1678
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,479
to go for you know, a walk across the street

1679
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,840
in the field or whatever. We can't do that, So

1680
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:17,760
I'm not sure. There might be some more stuff. It's

1681
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,800
a huge hill, it's huge.

1682
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. It sounds like you have a lot of things

1683
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,239
around you that just make your eree a perfect habitat

1684
01:44:27,319 --> 01:44:33,159
for these guys. Unfortunately that's the case. Yeah, that is Well,

1685
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,960
we're an hour and forty five minutes into this so

1686
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:38,239
I'm going to get ready to call it. But before

1687
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:40,960
I do, Maddie, is there anything you want to put

1688
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,920
out there for us, anything you want to tell us?

1689
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 3: Not really, The only thing I want to tell you

1690
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:51,520
that I'm tired.

1691
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,359
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. That makes two of us.

1692
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,359
It's not just you. You've done a great job tonight.

1693
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,319
Like I said, this isn't easy. I'm proud of you

1694
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,680
for coming on and talking about these experiences you never

1695
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,760
should have had to experience in the first place.

1696
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:13,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, she hoped she never has to. She tells me

1697
01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:15,800
that almost every night when I put her to bed,

1698
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:19,479
we have like our own ritual and she's always like,

1699
01:45:20,119 --> 01:45:24,600
you know, asking questions about the dog man, and we

1700
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,880
make up our own little things what we think, you know,

1701
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,279
like make up a name for it, like she's been

1702
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:35,399
calling them Fred, you know. So we try to make

1703
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,439
light of it the best way we can, with being

1704
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,520
serious at the same time and realizing, how, you know,

1705
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:42,600
dangerous it is.

1706
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good compensation technique. That's a great idea

1707
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:51,000
to do that, it really is. Well, Tiffany, how about you.

1708
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:52,920
Do you have any closing comments you like to put

1709
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:54,680
out there for us? I do.

1710
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:00,159
Speaker 3: I just want to let whoever is going through through

1711
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:04,039
some of these encounters, to let them know, because every

1712
01:46:04,079 --> 01:46:06,039
time I'm listening to the show, it means a lot

1713
01:46:06,079 --> 01:46:09,359
to me when I hear your listeners say, like, you know,

1714
01:46:10,079 --> 01:46:11,960
I'm here for you, even though I don't know who

1715
01:46:12,079 --> 01:46:16,119
you are, like, I'm here for you. And every time

1716
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:21,439
you know, I hear an encounter that goes bad, I

1717
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:25,239
have I pray, I pray on that I pray for

1718
01:46:25,319 --> 01:46:28,920
that person. And I'm just so thankful for you, Vic,

1719
01:46:29,359 --> 01:46:36,000
because your show isn't just about you know, views and

1720
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,640
oh my gosh, it's so scary and making up stories

1721
01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:44,039
like it makes me upset and insulting to hear when

1722
01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:48,119
I hear, you know, people looking up stories about this

1723
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:52,119
kind of stuff. I understand creepy pasta all that stuff,

1724
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:56,000
people love it. But this stuff, these things are real.

1725
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,960
This stuff is real, and it sometimes it destroys people's

1726
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,159
look at me. I have to pick up and move

1727
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:05,359
my entire family from my dream home that I worked

1728
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:10,199
so hard for. So I'm just thankful for you, Vic,

1729
01:47:10,279 --> 01:47:13,439
that you have this outlet for people like me and

1730
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,439
my daughter to go to we ever need somebody, if

1731
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,760
we're having to go through this situation again, or if

1732
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,560
Madaline's having a hard time about it. There's how many

1733
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:30,119
people can say that they can, you know, call their

1734
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:32,760
person that they're having a show with. I don't know.

1735
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,840
It just means a lot to me, and I appreciate it.

1736
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're welcome. I wouldn't have it any

1737
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,279
of the way. Like I've said before, the show is

1738
01:47:40,319 --> 01:47:42,079
one heck of a tool when it comes to helping

1739
01:47:42,119 --> 01:47:45,239
eyewitnesses come to terms with their encounters. I mean, for

1740
01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:48,720
the longest time, most eyewitnesses they live in a prison

1741
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,840
with no walls. They can't talk with their significant others

1742
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:56,000
about their experiences, and a lot of cases, their family

1743
01:47:56,079 --> 01:47:58,319
and friends are a no no. I mean a family

1744
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,920
get togethers in a lot of cases are made fun of.

1745
01:48:01,079 --> 01:48:04,800
They're the punchline. So when they come on a show

1746
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,800
like this and they see all the support from the

1747
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,640
listeners and everything, that's huge. It makes all the difference.

1748
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:14,159
Like I've told the listeners time after time, they're never

1749
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,119
going to know the difference they make, and for that

1750
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:20,560
I can't thank them enough. I really can't. But please remember,

1751
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:25,000
whether we're talking about you, Maddie or Tim from now on.

1752
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:28,520
If you ever need help, please continue reaching out to

1753
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,720
me to let me know I'll be there for you.

1754
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,479
I'm not going to go anywhere.

1755
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,399
Speaker 3: Absolutely, they don't take this personally, but I hope that

1756
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,760
I never have to conversation again.

1757
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 2: Well that makes two of us.

1758
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 3: I'm always always going to support this channel and be

1759
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:46,840
a good listener.

1760
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:50,199
Speaker 2: Well thanks for doing that, but yeah, that makes two

1761
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,960
of us. I hope you never do have to contact

1762
01:48:52,039 --> 01:48:55,399
me for this type of a problem. But yeah, I

1763
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:59,039
guess the future will tell that's just a matter of time.

1764
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:02,920
Thanks again both of you so much for coming on

1765
01:49:03,079 --> 01:49:06,800
and sharing the details of these experiences with this And yeah,

1766
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,520
I hope you have a good night. I know it's

1767
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,640
not going to be easy after all the negative things

1768
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,159
that you've been talking about, but somehow, some way, hope

1769
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:15,800
you have a great night and a great weekend.

1770
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you everybody, Thanks you too, and everybody.

1771
01:49:21,239 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and take care.

1772
01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:28,159
Speaker 3: Well.

1773
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 2: Like I said just now, everyone listening, I can't thank

1774
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,680
you enough for supporting these eyewitnesses the way you do

1775
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:37,800
it really does make more difference than you're ever going

1776
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,960
to realize. And also to if you've had a dog

1777
01:49:41,079 --> 01:49:43,359
mean encounter that you'd like to speak with me privately

1778
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,079
about that you need help with, or maybe you just

1779
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:48,239
want to come on the show and share your experience

1780
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:51,680
or experiences with the listeners. All you'd need to do

1781
01:49:52,039 --> 01:49:55,279
is to go to dogmyandcounters dot com submit a report,

1782
01:49:55,399 --> 01:49:58,039
and if you do that, then I'll contact you so

1783
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:01,239
we can schedule a phone console take and we'll take

1784
01:50:01,279 --> 01:50:04,279
it from there. But having said that, thanks again so

1785
01:50:04,399 --> 01:50:06,640
much for listening and have a great night.