1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellows, sickos imbf Felly coming at you 2 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:11,400 with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous cost. Mister 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,919 Grant Hughes, we are abandoning our off season. 4 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,559 Speaker 2: Look Ahead ship to talk about a. 5 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Trade that went down on Sunday Father's Day, and I 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,600 guess we're gonna end up doing like two off season 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,399 look aheads though in this because we got to talk 8 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:25,920 about the Magic and the Grizzlies and where they go 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,760 from here. But we're gonna get into the trade details, 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,359 the fallout, the cap stuff, all of it. 11 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: But Grant, before. 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: We belly flop in as we are inclined to do, 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,920 how the heck are you? 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,679 Speaker 3: I am, let's see, humbled by the creativity of the 15 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:45,759 Magic and Grizzlies because you and I have probably made 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,640 up hundreds of fake trades or discuss them over the 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,880 course of these look aheads and just other general work, 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,600 and I don't think we landed on the one that 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,359 actually happened. 20 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:58,359 Speaker 4: So I guess we maybe are not creative enough, or 21 00:00:58,399 --> 00:00:58,679 are we. 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Too creative that it not even mb front offices we're 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,759 thinking of our deals. 24 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 4: That's what I It's a great spinning, really good spin 25 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:04,400 on it. 26 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: We're gonna start here. 27 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: It looks like Sham Sharania was right Grant, and I'll 28 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,000 read the quote from May twenty seventh. He said, this 29 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,719 is the most I think anticipation team executives have had 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,599 over an offseason. I think this offseason might be quote 31 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,200 again most the most craziest ever. Uh ten eleven out 32 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:28,040 of ten phrasing no, no, it'es there from Shams. But 33 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,760 I think there was this skepticism after he said that, 34 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:35,159 where it was, well, there's only one team with cap space. 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,120 Everyone's going to be trying to navigate the aprons. How 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,239 many people are going to be available via trade if 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,719 Yannis decides that he doesn't want to get moved from Milwaukee. 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,560 So there's always sort of that not people try to 39 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:48,040 pull poor cold water, but they're trying to approach this 40 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:51,040 from a more pragmatic perspective of oh no, this offseason 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,879 is not going to be as ridiculous as it seems. 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,000 And I'm sorry, but if we get a Desmond Baine 43 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,079 trade where there's four first round picks plus a swap 44 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,439 going out in the middle of the finals, like trades 45 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:06,040 have happened in the finals before, including when the Nuggets 46 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:08,199 were in the finals themselves and made that draft pick trade. 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,759 Speaker 2: I think, Okay, so he was involved. 48 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: In that, But they're never right, They're never like this, 49 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,199 and so I'm inclined to think that Cham's was right. 50 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:19,680 That were in four quote one of the most craziest 51 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:20,520 offseasons ever. 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Desmond Bane for five first round assets in the 53 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,120 middle of June moves right past more crazier and and 54 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:35,680 definitely into most craziest. So you gotta hint, look, guess 55 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,599 what he's connected. So what he lacks in in what 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,879 he lacks in grammatical accuracy and phrasing, he makes up 57 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:48,599 for and like just knowing, Yeah, like he in some sense, Yeah, 58 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,319 like we knew the dearth of cap space generally, and 59 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,360 like all these extensions that got signed seemed to suggest 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 things wouldn't be you know, there wouldn't be a ton 61 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:01,800 of activity. But then all that does is really make 62 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:04,000 trades like the only way to get things done. And 63 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:05,680 I think that's kind of what he was nodding to, 64 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:09,199 is like, there will be players changing teams, it's just 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,719 not gonna it's gonna happen through really what the most exciting, 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,680 the most exciting ist way possible, which is trades. 67 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,479 Speaker 1: And I think also what goes into that is the 68 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:24,039 like wide openness of the landscape and especially in the 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,280 East to where I think the Magic just showed this 70 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,240 and we're gonna get into it in a second. But 71 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,960 like the Celtics are down for next year, even if 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,000 they decide to run everybody back and they're still really good, 73 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,400 it's everyone's probably looking at I don't think this is 74 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:37,599 fair to the Pacers, because the Pacers are really good, 75 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:39,479 but it's, well, why can't we be that team? And 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,400 the Cavs still exist, The Nicks will be back, but 77 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,840 there are gonna be teams that I think feel more 78 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,919 emboldened to do something, or I think that there'll be 79 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,479 teams that might feel like they're either on their last 80 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,800 leg with the current setup, maybe Minnesota going in on 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,319 a Kevin Durant trade if that happens, or teams like 82 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:58,240 the Grizzlies that have kind of just shown, ah, we're 83 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,800 getting kind of stale. If we're gonna have to reinvest in, 84 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,240 like the Big Three technically with the Jared Jackson Junior 85 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:06,520 a new contract coming up, maybe they pivot out of 86 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,759 that and that makes people available that we weren't thinking of. 87 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,800 And then finally there's a lack of cap space, but 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,120 free agents gotta go somewhere, and so I'm kind of 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,040 just wondering, you know, kind of that general surprise when 90 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,519 you see Gary Trent Junior take the minimum or Tias 91 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,720 Jones take the minimum. 92 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: Are we in for more of those? 93 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Like that's called the medium size shocks too over the offseason. 94 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be. 95 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: I think I think the first thing you said, really 96 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,160 is it really is germane to this specific trade, because 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,839 my first thought after that I saw that the trade 98 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:40,920 had happened was like, man, Orlando, like they might think 99 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:43,680 they're pretty close, right, because this is And I think 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,639 the reason that that's not a crazy stance to take 101 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,560 is because the top of the East is looks shaky 102 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,040 and that has to just reset every team's risk calculus. 103 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,759 Like this maybe isn't a trade you make if Boston 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,240 is whole and isn't facing this teardown, you know what 105 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,319 I mean, Like because it okay, so this assures us 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,160 we're going to finish third in the conference, and then 107 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:05,759 we still. 108 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 4: Have you know what I mean. 109 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: I think I think Boston specifically just not being in 110 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,639 the picture as a contender, and then you watch Cleveland 111 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,360 go sixty plus wins and then bow out like it did. 112 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,399 It's like, and now we're talking about a Garland trade, 113 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,759 or at least whispering about it, like it just feels 114 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 like a trade like this. You if you're Orlando, you 115 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,079 look at it and you say, like, all right, let's 116 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,759 do it. Let's shoot our shot. Why not, like, let's 117 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,319 go for it. 118 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: And the final thing for me on this is I 119 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,040 remember people saying that the days, just like the Michale 120 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,399 Bridges trade was kind of the last draw. Oh, you're 121 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:41,240 not going to see teams give up all this first 122 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:43,839 round equity for players who are either like barely all 123 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,439 stars or not even all stars in this case. And 124 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,279 this was kind of a reminder that I think, if 125 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:52,240 teams believe they're even remotely close enough that know, those 126 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:57,000 types of really pick packed packages, how's that for some alliteration, 127 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,879 pickpack packages. 128 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: Are still going to happen? 129 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: Because this is just this is consecutive offseasons now where 130 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:06,600 at least four first round picks have been traded for 131 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,439 someone who has not only never made an All Star game, 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,160 but never may never make an All Star I mean 133 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:14,240 it's easier for being in the East, but it's not 134 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:16,439 like there's a ton of other talented guards there, and 135 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,199 so that's like people were worried about the Rudy Gobart trade, 136 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,680 who is a generational defender and just a perennial defensive 137 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Player of the Year candidate, And now we're just seeing 138 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:26,519 these guys are really good. But are they even like 139 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,759 second best player on a championship team material The answer 140 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,480 for mckel bridges is clearly no. And yet they're still 141 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:34,199 just going for these massive hauls. 142 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think it's really interesting. 143 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: We should get into the packages here and talk about 144 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,319 each side because there's there's quite a bit to unpack. 145 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:42,439 Speaker 2: Do you want to take us through the trade detail? 146 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so here are the basics. 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: Orlando gets Desmond Bain, who has four years and one 148 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 hundred and sixty three point two million left on his deal. 149 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,839 So talking forty million a year for I mean a 150 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,319 guy that had a rough season last year by his standards, 151 00:06:57,319 --> 00:06:59,560 which was still nineteen six and five, and he shot 152 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,319 thirty nine percent from three. That's a down year, so 153 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,519 keep that in mind. In exchange, the Grizzlies get Cole 154 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,279 Anthony taken fifteen picks ahead of Desmond Bane in the 155 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,279 same draft. Who's got two years and twenty six point 156 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,560 two million left because he comes from Orlando, he has 157 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,199 a team option on the second year of that deal. 158 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:17,519 Speaker 4: They love their team there. 159 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,639 Speaker 3: And Tavius Caldwell Pope is also coming to Memphis two 160 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 years forty three point two million player option change up 161 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,879 there for twenty six twenty seven. I think probably the 162 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,680 most head turning aspect here. There are four first round 163 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,000 picks coming to Memphis number sixteen in this year's draft. 164 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,720 The Phoenix Suns twenty twenty six, correct, twenty twenty eight, 165 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,879 and twenty thirty unprotected from Orlando in a twenty twenty 166 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 nine first round swap with top two protection from Orlando 167 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:48,240 goes to Memphis. So essentially five first round assets if 168 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,240 you want to just do the quick and dirty version 169 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,079 of it, plus Cole Anthony plus KCP for Desmond Bane. 170 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: What did you think just when. 171 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,759 Speaker 3: You see the first report of it, that it's this 172 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000 man any first round assets going for Desmond Bane. 173 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,519 Speaker 4: I think you kind of alluded to it, But. 174 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,439 Speaker 3: Was your reaction like, oh my god, that's a lot, 175 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:09,879 or was it let's look at what kind of first 176 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:11,399 we're talking about so you. 177 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Have that reflexive reaction saying, oh my god, that's so much, 178 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,079 and then you're waiting for the protections to trickle out, 179 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,000 and then we find out that they're unprotected for the 180 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,720 most part because we know number sixteen. 181 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:22,759 Speaker 2: This year's number sixteen. 182 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: By the way, one of my secondary reactions was, now, 183 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,680 I'm gonna have to go read that fucking twenty twenty 184 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,079 six draft pick language. 185 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:32,639 Speaker 2: It amounts to, I'm gonna try and simplify it to this. 186 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: It's basically the second most favorable first round pick between Washington, 187 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Orlando and Phoenix, and so that's like, pretty good. It's 188 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,840 probably gonna be Phoenix's pick is what will probably end 189 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:42,240 up being. 190 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: So I was waiting. 191 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Basically, I was like, no, some of these on the 192 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,399 back end have to be protected, and as of now 193 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,279 it looks like they're not. And so then it goes, 194 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:53,519 all right, well, the Magic are planning on being pretty 195 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,240 damn good for a while. Then I'm assuming. But so 196 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,960 was that your reaction as well? 197 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt like a lot. 198 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,639 Speaker 3: And then what I fixated on was like, anytime there's 199 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,120 just straight up unprotected picks going, it's like, oh, that's 200 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,399 because those are the theoretical crown jewels of a deal, right, 201 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,200 it's the real hedge against the other team, where who knows, 202 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,600 maybe that's a top five pick, right, especially if you're 203 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,039 talking about twenty thirty, just like because the Magic could 204 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,600 cycle through like three different cores by then, just the 205 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,159 way they probably will if the reason yeah like indication, Yeah, 206 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,480 but so really okay, sixteen, sure that twenty six, which yeah, 207 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:33,960 you're not getting the Washington side of that, which would 208 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,639 have massive upside. Orlando will be better than Phoenix. So 209 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:39,360 if maybe that's in the range of ten to twenty 210 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,399 or something like that, maybe a little better. Who knows, 211 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,000 twenty eight and thirty, those are probably in the twenties, 212 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,799 you would assume if things go as Orlando expects them 213 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,879 to go. The twenty nine swap, all right, you know 214 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,039 that's another one that is right in the middle of 215 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,720 there might be in the twenties. So it's kind of like, 216 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:56,559 if Orlando's as good as it seems like it ought 217 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,440 to be, and definitely as good as it thinks it 218 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,879 will be with this new core, you're not getting a 219 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:03,600 player better than Desmond Bane. 220 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,279 Speaker 4: You wouldn't think, even though he did go. 221 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,159 Speaker 5: Really late, like he's had example to use, but you 222 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:09,080 know what I mean, Like. 223 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: Grant, you might get five first round picks that come 224 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:13,840 ahead of where Desmond Bane was drafted. 225 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:15,279 Speaker 2: How is that not gonna win? Yeah? 226 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: Right, But what I landed on was like, it's still 227 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,879 a lot. It's still a lot of like just in 228 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,240 terms of opportunity costs. You can use these first for 229 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,840 other stuff, right, like they're sweeteners there whatever, But I 230 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:30,639 don't think you could realistically expect to get a player 231 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,320 better than Desmond Bane with any of these picks in isolation. 232 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,919 Now together, I'm sure like Kevin Pelton or somebody did 233 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,360 the net value of them as X and it does 234 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:41,840 make sense or whatever, But it's like just in a vacuum. 235 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:45,080 Bain is like a guy that you if there was 236 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,639 a Desmond Bane in this year's draft, and you said, 237 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,120 like he's gonna have Desmond Baines first five years of 238 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,000 his career. He's going top three, right or like something 239 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,679 crazy like that. So from from Orlando's perspective, I can 240 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,799 see the law like we don't think these picks are 241 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:03,600 going to be any good. We're getting a guy who 242 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:06,200 and we should get into this like everybody that's been 243 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:08,919 haranguing us for not going and getting a great, high 244 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,240 volume three point shooter because we don't have one. We're 245 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:14,320 setting all these records for being the worst volume, worst 246 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,440 efficiency three point team. 247 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,039 Speaker 4: Like we got the guy, Like, shut up, everybody, Like, 248 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,320 now he's the heat. 249 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: Now we've talked about you need a playmaker too, But 250 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:25,080 actually Bain is pretty darn good as an off guard 251 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:27,440 from in that respect. You know, five plus assists a 252 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,799 couple of years in a row increases pick and roll 253 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:32,200 efficiency and volume until the Grizzlies got all weird and 254 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,960 stop setting screens last year. Like this is pretty close 255 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,519 to the best you could do with the package they 256 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,360 sent out, unless you're talking about some super duper star 257 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,879 that says, send me to Orlando. Is that Do you 258 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,480 think that's a fair assessment? Like he's the guy, and 259 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,840 maybe none of these picks end up amounting to more 260 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,080 than like a seventh or eighth man on a good team, right, 261 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Like that's that's kind of where I landed. 262 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: I think I'm shocker. We agree, that's a surprise for 263 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,080 everyone who listens to this. 264 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: The other thing to consider here too, or a couple 265 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,320 things this contract that he's on never gonna be twenty 266 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,240 five percent of the salary cap and it runs through 267 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,200 his age thirty seven thirty thirty season. Sorry, that's just 268 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:11,679 that's not even the end of his prime. So like 269 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,399 that's kind of perfect alignment. I mean, we'll get into 270 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:17,320 the expenses of it long term in a second. The 271 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,039 other thing, too, is when you mentioned this is the 272 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,799 best guy you could have done, I think it's also 273 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,279 really the best you could have done when you're looking 274 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,480 at who the magic favor And so we've mentioned Anthony 275 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,759 Simons how many times for Orlando. He is really bad 276 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,960 on the defensive end. Desmond Bain is not. And in 277 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,879 this system, he's probably gonna be like because you take 278 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:38,720 an average defender and you just PLoP him into what 279 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,320 Orlando's able to do with Jollen Suggs and Franz and 280 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,000 even Pallo their bigs. Jonathan Isaac is there, Anthony Black 281 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,679 is there. He's probably someone's gonna make the case that 282 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,000 he should be all defense next, Like that's the Yeah, 283 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,480 those are the types of lineups he will be within. 284 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,679 And the final thing is too, just to maybe like 285 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,320 tidy up what you were saying about the picks, if 286 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,639 you just set the over under on the number of 287 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,159 picks that land in the top fifteen that they sent out, 288 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,399 including the swap. I would set it at point five, 289 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,440 and I like, maybe you take the over, but if 290 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,519 you said it at one point five, I'm taking me under. 291 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:13,320 Like to me, it seems like this might be a 292 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,600 one top fifteen selection somewhere, and it could be next 293 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,559 year depending on what Phoenix does, although they don't have 294 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,679 an incentive to be bad unless they control their own pick, 295 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,320 so probably not. 296 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's right. You top fifteen is 297 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:28,639 a great cutoff, Like I don't. I don't think that's likely. 298 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:32,399 The other thing about Bain and you hit it like 299 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,159 he fits, he fits what Orlando like you're not Anthony 300 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,080 Simons would have amounted to a concession in some ways 301 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,840 because he just it's like, oh, you can handle having 302 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,399 Simons in your starting or closing lineup or whatever because 303 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,000 you have Jalen Suggs and this defensive infrastructure like it, it'll. 304 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 4: Cover for him like Bain. That's not. 305 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: Bain is a good defender and I think will look 306 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,919 even better. Like you said, also, and I mean this 307 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:59,639 comp as a compliment. He's kind of an asshole, Like 308 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,840 he's a competitive asshole, and I think Orlando that's like 309 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,039 Orlando's type, like they're they're very into that. And so 310 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 from like a skill standpoint and just like a makeup standpoint, 311 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,080 he's kind of perfect. And so yeah, just and we're 312 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,159 not even talking about the shooting, which is like he's 313 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,039 a forty one. 314 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: Percent three point shooter for his career and he. 315 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,799 Speaker 3: Gets him up like he's that that's gonna cure what 316 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:21,799 ails the magic. 317 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:23,519 Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, And by the way, I 318 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:26,399 think it's disingenuous when people frame it like, oh, the 319 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,919 Lakers only gave up one first round pick for Luca 320 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,159 and bang got like Anthony Davis is worth like five 321 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,840 first we don't support that trade. But the other part 322 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:36,799 of the framing that I don't like kcp's contract had 323 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,840 become a net negative and so that's part of the 324 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:40,879 value that So maybe you could get Desmond Bane if 325 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:43,759 you were sending out straight expiring salary, but I don't 326 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,600 even know if there'd be a team. And I'm not 327 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:47,799 trying to insult clan here. Is someone just taking coll 328 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,159 Anthony into their mid level exception? I don't know. Maybe, 329 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,919 so I think part of the value is the players 330 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:55,679 you were sending out. Yeah, CACP defended at an all 331 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,919 defense level last year and he will help Memphis there, 332 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,759 but he was outside the confines of having Nicoho Jochic. 333 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,399 He didn't look too great in Orlando last year. So 334 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,200 you were paying in part to get off that deal. 335 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,320 But we need to get into the actual impact for 336 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,039 the Magic, which that's the potential that could make it 337 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,519 all worth it. You mentioned a bunch of the Baynes stuff. 338 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,159 We all need to appreciate just how dire the Magic 339 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,159 were in need of offense and have been for some time. 340 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,559 They've not been a top fifteen offense grant since twenty twelve, 341 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:24,679 when Dwight Howard was on the team. They have not 342 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:29,120 been outside the bottom ten in offensive efficiency since twenty seventeen. 343 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Last year they were twenty sixth in points per possession, 344 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,840 twenty seventh in the half court twenty second and two 345 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:40,039 point percentage, dead last in three point percentage, and dead 346 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:43,279 last in their shooting percentage on wide open jumpers. So 347 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,200 ten plus feed out that is a functional atrocity, and 348 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 it wasn't it spilled over into quote unquote their core 349 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,759 lineups when Sugs Franz and Paalo were on the floor, 350 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,279 the Magic's offense was in the twenty first percentile. You 351 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,720 already mentioned Bain's numbers over the past four years, though 352 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,960 he's clearing twenty points and four asists while hitting forty 353 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,720 plus percent of his threes. There's only one other player 354 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,440 who has done that during the same span while matching 355 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Desmond Baines's three point volume. 356 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:12,919 Speaker 2: Would you care to guess who it is? 357 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: I bet you it's just stef And so, no, he's 358 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:22,759 not Steph but like the Magic have no gravity away 359 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:25,360 from the ball on this team. And he's also someone 360 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,960 who last year he actually took more off the dribble 361 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,840 threes than off the catch threes. And now you're inserting 362 00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:34,159 him into an offense where you're probably still gonna need 363 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,960 him to do that, like hit those off the dribble 364 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,360 jumpers at points, but you don't need to do it 365 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,679 nearly as much. So he is just like he If 366 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,240 you wanted to get someone who had some on ball 367 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:47,039 creation but knew how to exist away from the ball 368 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,240 and wasn't gonna hurt your defense in any way, this 369 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,720 is like the perfect fit. And I think there unless 370 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,799 you have anything to add on why it's good. The 371 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,240 only other thing to talk about would be the okay, 372 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,799 they're moving forward without a real floor general type at 373 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:05,680 least as of now, and this feels like a big 374 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,000 bet on one you mentioned. Suggs is playmaking. He's improved 375 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,920 a lot coming out of drives. He's run a ton 376 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,680 of pick and rolls over the past couple of years, 377 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,279 So there's that, but it also just feels like a 378 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,799 bet that you think Gell and Suggs can do a 379 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:19,240 lot of that too moving forward. 380 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: I think it's a bet on Paolo improving as a playmaker, 381 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:25,279 which I'm happy to take that on same thing, like 382 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,039 the the idea of the magic there's always been so 383 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,640 intriguing is the amount of playmaking they can get from 384 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,440 their forwards, and that like that partly allows Suggs to 385 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,279 be the best version of himself because he's not just 386 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:39,279 a natural ten assistic game guy. So I think Bain 387 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,599 adds to that because Suggs is okay and getting better 388 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,759 at that stuff, and Bain has been very good for 389 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:45,799 his position at that stuff. The other thing too, just 390 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:49,079 to sort of contrast the Bain acquisition with what it 391 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,000 might have otherwise been, just to take Simons as an example, 392 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,119 because that's just the guy we've won't shut up about, 393 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,039 or if it had been like Malik Monk or whatever, 394 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:00,960 like that player type, like for where Orlando wants to go, 395 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,440 which I think we can discern pretty clearly from a 396 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,119 trade like this, which is to the top of the 397 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,519 conference and and several playoff rounds deep into the postseason. 398 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:11,880 Simons is a guy that might get played off the 399 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,200 floor against good matchups, and same thing for someone like Monk. 400 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,720 Desmond Baine is not that guy. You don't attack Desmond 401 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Bane with your If you attack Desmond Bane with your 402 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,000 number one scoring option, there's maybe a couple guys where 403 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,880 you're like, oh, this is untenable. We have to do something, 404 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 you know, strategically different to a double him or whatever 405 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,160 or switch or hot You're not hiding Desmond Baane on defense. Ever, 406 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,079 like Kyle Lowry, he's a bigger Kyle Lowry, right, So 407 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,519 that that's like you have to view this acquisition. I 408 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,200 think even if you're saying still this not that you're 409 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,839 saying this, but I'm sure there are people that like 410 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,119 he's just not worth it. 411 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,839 Speaker 4: It's like for where Orlando wants. 412 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: To go the pool of guys that they could have 413 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:53,160 put into this slot is not that big. 414 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 4: Simons isn't in that pool. 415 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,839 Speaker 3: If you're like, we need a guy we can put 416 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,680 on the floor at the end of the Eastern Conference 417 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,240 Finals that the other team not going at and like 418 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,480 and Baine is that guy, And I don't know who 419 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,039 else would even that's even like pipe dream available would 420 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,000 have would have fit that description well. 421 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: And if this was the cost of Baine, some of 422 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,599 the names that we were throwing out, like a LaMelo 423 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,480 Ball for this team, I think probably would have been 424 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:18,119 a better fit. But if this is what a cost 425 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,680 to get Desmond Baine, I think LaMelo Ball is probably 426 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,920 like on a similar level, but you're probably paying more 427 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,400 to get LaMelo Ball in that instance. 428 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:26,839 Speaker 2: So He's he. 429 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: Changes, He changes more about how you operate on both 430 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:32,000 ends than Bain does, and like you probably do want 431 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:34,279 to change how you operate offensively, but you know what 432 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:37,160 I mean, Like he Bain just like slots right into 433 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,799 whatever KCP was doing and is like you're getting three 434 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,440 x what you got from that guy. 435 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:44,279 Speaker 4: Like that's that feels like just such a value add. 436 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: And I think to what get's tricky and This is 437 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,440 maybe where you mentioned it was it's like in Desmond 438 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:52,319 Baane for what they gave up, it's in line with 439 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,319 the value he's providing how much he helps. But you 440 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:58,279 said the phrase opportunity cost. That's probably where you could 441 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:00,960 start to feel uncomfortable, because I think Bain helps this 442 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,799 team out a lot, And if you told me as 443 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,759 constructed they went and won the East last year, I. 444 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: Would not be shocked. 445 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,279 Speaker 1: But like you're still have a dearth of shooting, and 446 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:12,680 you don't necessarily if you want like a floor general 447 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,039 type who can come in and manage the game. There 448 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,319 aren't least questions there. Do you think Sugs or Anthony Black? 449 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,319 We know Apallo can do and Franz can do. In 450 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,640 that regard, you could run some stuff through Wendell Carter 451 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,920 Junior and Bane himself. So yeah, you can approximate all that, 452 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,680 but those are still questions. You just now don't have 453 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:31,759 the assets or the flexibility to address them. 454 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: At it. 455 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:34,599 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to beat a super high level but 456 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,240 like sort of just forget about the floor general stuff. 457 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,759 This team still needs shooters, Like it just can't beat 458 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:41,640 Desmond Bayne coming in here is the only guy who's 459 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,160 taking like seven three point attempts per game and knocking 460 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,880 them down at a better than league average clip. How 461 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,880 do you go about getting like, are you just betting 462 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,359 on Franz Vagner's jumpers going to improve rather than regress 463 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,799 like it has the past couple of years, Like because 464 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:58,559 in theory KCP and Cole Anthony were like two of 465 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:02,599 your more like they weren't reliable, especially Casey P. But 466 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,519 in theory they're supposed to be like some of. 467 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,839 Speaker 2: Your better shooters. 468 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: This is a clear upbrand want to make that clear, 469 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,240 But I don't think you can just by getting Desmond 470 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,319 Bane like that. To me, that doesn't turn you into 471 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,119 a top ten offense. Maybe your core lineup ends up 472 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 producing at that level, but overall there's still some kind 473 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,839 of holes to pick at. 474 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 4: That's definitely true. 475 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: And and to now, because a lot of these your 476 00:21:24,079 --> 00:21:26,799 your pick equities out out of the picture. You know, 477 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,920 if if it turns out that this is not enough, 478 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,920 then you have to start thinking about, like what's the 479 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 market for Anthony Black. You know, let's let's peel off 480 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 a defense first, playmaking guard that we like and that 481 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,200 showed improvement. Let's I mean Willy call Willie call out 482 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:40,920 Jesus Christ. 483 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: Well, Carter Junior's some empty, empty gym threes back in 484 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,759 his day, so maybe they signed him. 485 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,559 Speaker 3: You need you need Wendel Carter Junior to be like 486 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:52,920 the thirty seven percent guy who, by the way, I 487 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,720 was looking at his numbers today and prep for this, 488 00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:58,079 Like the difference between a twenty five year old Miles 489 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:02,440 Turner and uh, Wendell Carter Junior is not that big, 490 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,319 Like the shop blocking's different. But Carter Junior was part 491 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,279 of just you know, Orlando's defense. Shocker was very good 492 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,799 with him on the floor. It's like eightieth percentile points 493 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:13,519 all out p one hundred when Suggs was out there 494 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:13,799 with him. 495 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,559 Speaker 4: It was in the nineties. And if there's any like. 496 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 3: Return to form in terms of three point percentage and 497 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,200 you get that volume from him up to like four 498 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,799 or five a game, you got a pretty good Miles 499 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,440 Turner clone, just albeit without the shop blocking. And yeah, like, 500 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,960 can Franz be this bad? Is that possible? Is he 501 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,440 really gonna be like a high twenties, low thirties three 502 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,160 point guy? I mean there's enough, like there's enough if 503 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,960 it breaks this way for Orlando that you might top 504 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,400 ten offense is a high bar, but like you might 505 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,319 get enough supplementary three point shooting where it's it's not 506 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,920 six weeks into next season and it's like, god damn it, 507 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,319 they're twenty eighth and three point percentage. You can you know, like, 508 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,720 I don't feel like that's likely if they don't add 509 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,680 anybody else. There's enough upside with some of these players 510 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720 that I think, like maybe Jeded Howard shows up. 511 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: I don't know, there's a they have. 512 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: To play him first. 513 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,839 Speaker 1: And that comes back to that's why Bain works, because 514 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,000 you know he'll help you on defense where Jet Howard 515 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:09,920 will not, and the Magics just seem completely I mean, 516 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,680 if you were willing to put Jet Howard Black or 517 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,599 Tristan da Silva on the table, you still have some 518 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960 contracts to move around. I'd like, you can't get a 519 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:20,079 Cam Johnson, who would be like even more intriguing on 520 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,720 this team now, probably, but that's still enough to get 521 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,440 you somebody. I don't know who that's like when you're 522 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,359 kind of looking at shooters, I don't know who that 523 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,319 somebody is, but I don't and I'm not saying like 524 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,720 maybe it's just signing, Like do they get a Sam 525 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,240 Merrill in free agency or something still like to pay, 526 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:36,880 they probably wouldn't play Sam Merril. So I don't know 527 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,240 what I'm saying. He's atll fightst here on defense than 528 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,599 Jet Howard. I wanted to ask you this before we 529 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,319 get into the Grizzlies, and this is more tied to 530 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,519 the Magic, but it's an overarching, just NBA question. 531 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,559 Speaker 2: It does feel. 532 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: Like NBA teams have decided, we know that our windows 533 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,519 are gonna be shorter, and we're gonna act like it. 534 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,680 And I think some people would frame this from memphisis 535 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,720 perspective that look what the era of Aprons did to them, 536 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,720 And I think this was more about no, like they 537 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,599 knew they were stale and there just wasn't a clear 538 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,960 pathway to them to get better. 539 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: And we'll get into them. 540 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they're getting ready for a rebuild 541 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,599 or anything, just that they're trying to change up the 542 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,480 top of their roster and keep themselves leaner. But in 543 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:17,279 the Magic's case, they're currently sitting thirteen point five million 544 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:20,160 dollars into the tax that's six point seven million into 545 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,319 the first Apron and about five point two million dollars 546 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,559 below the second Apron now because they have those expensive 547 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:28,960 team expensive they've team options worth like it's almost twenty 548 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480 million or over twenty million on Gary Harris or Mo Wagner. 549 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:33,480 They can get out of the tax this year if 550 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,079 they want to delay the repeater clock. But the point 551 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000 is Palo's going to sign a five year MAX extension. 552 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,000 It will be either worth two hundred and forty six 553 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:43,480 point seven million, or if he gets the language that 554 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,599 Franz did, it could be worth up to two hundred 555 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200 and ninety six if he makes all MBA. They project 556 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,799 next year to be a second Apron team even if 557 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,880 Palo is on that twenty five percent max, and that's 558 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,640 the calculations include eleven players, including Jonathan Isaac who's non 559 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,359 guarant and then just minimums. So like they're going to 560 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240 be straddling a tight line no matter what happens. And 561 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:09,319 so I would sit here and say maybe next year 562 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,400 they stomach it, they go, they go through the second Apron, 563 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,960 or find a way to duck it just a little bit. 564 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,759 But like by twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, I'm 565 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,519 not betting on all four of Jael and Suggs, Paulo 566 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,680 Bank Carol Franz Wagner and Desmond Baine being on this team, 567 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,640 and I think the Magic know that as well. And 568 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,200 so do you think there's anything to the effect of that. Yeah, 569 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,079 we've seen some teams. We're gonna see it with Phoenix, 570 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,000 We're gonna see it with Boston this summer to wear. 571 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,160 And we saw it with the Clippers and the Nuggets 572 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,119 last summer, who didn't even enter the second apron. 573 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: That is gonna be. 574 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: Taboo for some teams completely. And there's gonna be some 575 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:44,119 teams that are like, we'll stomach it for a year. 576 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,400 Is it gonna happen for multiple years? We have to 577 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720 wait and see. And so I'm just wondering if NBA 578 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,720 teams are kind of like entering not completely fuck it 579 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,440 mode because Bain's a really good player, but they're probably 580 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,079 looking at it and saying, well, the risk is either 581 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,880 not being good enough or maybe we're good enough for 582 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,480 two years and we just have to figure route how 583 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,640 to cut salary and someone's gonna have to go. 584 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,799 Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, I think that is a good read on it. 585 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,880 I hesitate to say that this is like a clear 586 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,839 sign of the second that window seems cracked open you 587 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,720 like if whether and really it's like how ready is 588 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,799 Bancaro to be the best guy on a team that 589 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,240 you know makes the conference finals or whatever, like, because 590 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880 you're always going to orient your window around how how 591 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,960 good is your best guy? 592 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 4: Like can he just be the best play? 593 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,759 Speaker 3: You know? It's reductive, But I think I think that 594 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,480 still is a thing, and I think it means like 595 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,319 there's counter examples too, right, Like I don't know, like 596 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,079 the Rockets seem to be operating slightly more deliberately, uh, 597 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,400 but they they don't have like two guys on you 598 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,039 about to be on you know, rookie thirty percent maxes 599 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,880 or whatever, or to at least still pair of twenty five's. 600 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: Uh. 601 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: Indiana's built weirdly and differently, like they're they're not quite 602 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,680 in this same boat. 603 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,039 Speaker 4: So like I'm I am, I hesitate. 604 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,039 Speaker 3: To say that, like this trade is just proof positive 605 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,839 that the second the windows open you just make the 606 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,279 big five five first round asset trade and. 607 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: Go for it. 608 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 3: I do think it shows that teams need to be 609 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,400 more willing to jump at the opportunity and like not 610 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,160 quite like say, we'll worry about three years from now, 611 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,599 three years from now, but it does feel like you 612 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880 need to be a little more finely calibrated and like 613 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,519 when are we going, and then when we're going, we're 614 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:24,640 gonna really make this, you know, the big trade to 615 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,640 go as opposed to like a more deliberate thing or 616 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,720 just this assumption that like Oklahoma City may run into 617 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,880 this honestly, like although they've got the picks to get 618 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,559 off of anything they want to, but like you don't 619 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,440 get the rookie scale bone, you know, benefit forever, like 620 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,559 the just the you know, the first contract. 621 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,559 Speaker 4: Maybe this, maybe this is what it is. 622 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,839 Speaker 3: Once you've got a guy that feels like a core 623 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000 piece on his you know, fun Max, you got to 624 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,799 start making some decisions because once because there'll be a 625 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:52,759 second one soon enough. 626 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: And when you've got to it's like. 627 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 5: This is either either this is the group where it. 628 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: Isn't and you don't get forever to figure that out. 629 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,640 So yeah, I think that's a good read on it. 630 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,200 I just I hesitate to make any like proclamations about 631 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359 like wow, teams should operate because I still don't know. 632 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,599 I don't I don't know what the trend's gonna be. 633 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: I think they're still trying to figure it out, and 634 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,799 I think Houston's going I think this the Magic is 635 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,799 gonna be an interesting case study for what is the 636 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,160 stomach then unless this for some reason doesn't pan out, 637 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,319 But I think that they're just going to be a 638 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:20,720 fantastic team as the end result. 639 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: But it's they kind. 640 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: Of they paid Sugs, they paid Wagner, and now they're 641 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,799 about to pay Bank Carol. That's when they made the decision, 642 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,720 and like the Rockets are kind of on a similar 643 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240 trajectory to where it's they paid Shangoon, they paid Green. 644 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,240 Neither got as much as h Sugs or Franz Wagner. 645 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920 Of course, like now Tari Easan and Jabari Smith junior 646 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,559 extension eligible, so they're gonna be reconciling with kind of 647 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:43,799 the same thing is that if you build through the draft, 648 00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,480 maybe you end up with a bunch of like the 649 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,480 Magic were more top heavy with it, where no one's 650 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,200 worried about Jet Howard attrition to Silver Anthony Black getting 651 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,680 this type of money. But the Rockets are almost facing 652 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,839 like a worse conundrum because so many of their youngsters 653 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,759 are considered higher end. I just think it's going to 654 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:01,079 be fascinating because we've spent so much time, Well, how 655 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,599 long are team's gonna spend into the second aprin or 656 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,240 how hard is it for them to navigate it once 657 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,519 they're there? And this trade made me think, which I 658 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,880 just applaud, like seeing the magic go for it, I 659 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,039 will say it's over I think it's overdue, but like 660 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:13,799 if this was the movie you're waiting on, I kind 661 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,359 of get it. But like now I'm kind of thinking, 662 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240 are teams just not expecting to And I know you 663 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,400 can never really plan like four and five years out 664 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,079 like everyone said, but now you're getting to a point 665 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,160 where it feel like you can't even plan more than 666 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960 two years out if that and this trade, to me, 667 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,880 I'm not I for I won't use the word proclamation, 668 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,240 I'm not gonna declare it, but to me, it does 669 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:38,039 suggest that teams are going to operate on these more urgent, 670 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,880 finite windows and then you're gonna it's not even just 671 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,759 a matter of figuring out the rest later, but there's 672 00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,680 going to be some major cost cutting or upheaval within 673 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,799 a very short amount of time. 674 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,799 Speaker 3: I think I think that's a perfect transition to start 675 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,319 talking about the Memphis side of this, because I think 676 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,240 the other side of what you're talking about with the 677 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,839 short windows is I think teams are gonna pull the 678 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,960 ripcord when the three guys that they decided they thought 679 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,079 were the core pieces of a contender do not appear 680 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,799 to be that. And that's how you get Desmond Baine 681 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,440 being traded from a team that was, like the Grizzlies 682 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,000 had very high playoff hopes for the last several years, 683 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:16,079 like injuries were a factor, and then the jaw stuff 684 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,680 was a factor, but like it was Bain Morant and 685 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,519 Triple J and now Bain's gone and and I think 686 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,519 the Grizzlies are an example of teams that are like, well, 687 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,440 we're not gonna pay this much for this team, especially 688 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,720 when you get an offer like they got, but they're 689 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,039 maybe that's maybe that's what tells on It is like 690 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,880 when you have a group that isn't good enough that 691 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,200 you thought was, you better move quickly to sort of 692 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,440 recreate some flexibility because you can't, especially in a mid 693 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,039 or small market, just keep going forward with your same 694 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,799 core three expensive guys and expect to do anything. So so, yeah, 695 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,119 the Grizzlies here, the question is where are they going? 696 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 4: This is like. 697 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,079 Speaker 2: You can, I can I actually ask you. 698 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people just assume that it 699 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,279 meant that they were going to tear it down, And 700 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:02,079 my initial reaction, like A, was, oh, now, they're kind 701 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,680 of built to just do anything. If they want to 702 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,680 tear it down shore, if they kind of want to 703 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,400 sit and conserve and wait for the next guy to 704 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,559 become available, they have the assets for that. 705 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,599 Speaker 2: Or then the assets to do that right now. 706 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's like I just I looked at it 707 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,279 as a trade rooted in what you just said about 708 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,400 all three guys, like seeing their price points elevated and 709 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,400 their core probably stay together longer than it should have 710 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,920 because of how the Jaron Jackson Junior extension shook out 711 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,440 as well. 712 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: That's true, No, I I think really the the first 713 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,799 point to keep in mind is like when someone comes 714 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,240 with an offer of five first round assets, and like 715 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,599 we just talked through, like you can put an asterisk 716 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:43,480 next to that, it's they're there's not like any guaranteed 717 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,559 top ten picks in there, but five first round assets 718 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,759 and a couple of manageable contracts, one of which as 719 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,079 a team option for your third best guy that's coming 720 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,720 off a down year that you're not really sure is good, 721 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,039 you know, like you just say yes and and so yeah, No, 722 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,960 I don't think this was something that I wasn't immediately like, 723 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,920 oh my god, they're gonna trade Jawn now, like which 724 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,799 I think you saw a little bit of out there. 725 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: Uh. 726 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: It just this puts them in a position to either 727 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480 go get someone that they could like could be your 728 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:16,119 bane replacement, or they're just they're just more flexible like that. 729 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,519 That just they have these assets, they can remake the 730 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:22,200 team however they want. I don't view it as like 731 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,119 a clear like oh, the needle's pointing one way or 732 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,160 the other, like and we can't even it's it's like 733 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,039 it's so obvious. 734 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:29,359 Speaker 4: I don't I don't see it that way at all. 735 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: What becomes interesting about that, though, is so then what 736 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000 do we expect them to do? Is it just to 737 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:37,920 kind of not that they would view twenty twenty six 738 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,680 as a gap year, but is it just they're kind 739 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200 of in weight and C mode and it's well, let's 740 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,279 maybe this team. I probably wouldn't pick them. I haven't 741 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,519 gone through it, so this is off the cuff. I 742 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,000 don't think they'd be as currently constructed a top six 743 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,119 team in the Western Conference, But do. 744 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: You like there? 745 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: So their cap space is lowered and we're gonna get 746 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,240 into Jaron Jackson Junior separately, but their cap space is lowered, 747 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,720 so they're still gonna have let's assume they use their 748 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,240 cap space on triple J at some point they'll have 749 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,799 that eight point eight million dollar room exception so they 750 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,400 can get better. And it still feels like they would 751 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480 need a wing. But like KCP is gonna help, like 752 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,200 his he makes Scottie Pippen juniors and Jalen Wells' lives 753 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,279 a lot easier on the defensive end now, But like, 754 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,279 what do you view this team as? I guess it's 755 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,920 a twofold question. If you're the Grizzlies, how are you 756 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240 approaching the rest of the offseason? Then what is it 757 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,599 you look at this roster and think that it still needs. 758 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,359 Speaker 3: I think you have to say they're a little bit 759 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,640 worse on paper, although they have with Anthony specifically, they've 760 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,880 kind of given themselves a little more jaw insurance if 761 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,720 there's another injury, like where it's just it's no longer 762 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,720 because you lose Baine, you are going to need someone 763 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,359 to do a little bit more playmaking Anthony's not like 764 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,079 a clear starter in that regard, but he can do it. 765 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,000 And then having KCP there with Jalen Wells Scotty Pippen Jr. 766 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,319 Like there is the little the backboard depth is good enough. 767 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,319 Now I think, I just I don't know what you need. 768 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,039 Like I guess they still need that bigger wing so 769 00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,839 that like Jalen Wells or KCP isn't guarding like the 770 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,079 six eight and six' nine like combo. 771 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,119 Speaker 4: FORWARDS i don't. 772 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,519 Speaker 3: KNOW i, guess, like, yeah bigger wing, Probably and then 773 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,400 if they lose ALL, dama WHICH i guess is a, 774 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,360 POSSIBILITY i don't want to jump too far, ahead then 775 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,360 maybe you're gonna need some. 776 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 4: More front court. Shooting edie's gonna be out. 777 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 3: Too So i'm not sure they're in a position where it's, like, 778 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,559 oh they need this type of. Player they may just 779 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,599 need to kind of see how the offseason plays out 780 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,480 and maybe even take some of these assets into the 781 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,800 year and assess, it you, Know November, december see where they're. 782 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,360 AT i do think like that six to nine range 783 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,480 in The west feels kind of like where we're. 784 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 4: At unless they unless, this we're dead. 785 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 3: Wrong and this was a precursor they are gonna like 786 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,000 dump some more salaries or do something crazy like. 787 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,679 Speaker 1: That, well, yeah it does feel like they're caught in 788 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,199 the in, between but you could have argued that they 789 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,400 were caught there to begin, with and at least now 790 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,440 you've replenished your. Draft well you haven't, Replenished you've just 791 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,079 like now you're teaming with it because you have all 792 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:03,920 your picks moving forward except for this, year and that's 793 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,079 kind of a wash with getting the number sixteen. Pick 794 00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,800 SO i think they're leaning into being caught in the 795 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320 in between for the intern and that this IS i 796 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,440 think if there's an, opportunity like If Jalen, BROWN i 797 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,920 know he's like makes so much, money if The celtics 798 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,440 decide to trade, him like maybe that's someone That memphis 799 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,920 THAT i didn't look at this and, say, oh they 800 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,159 could get involved In katie. 801 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 2: Sweepstakes BUT i don't think they. 802 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: Will MAYBE i think they're just biding their time now 803 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,760 to see what's out there and that they will make 804 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,800 another big swing by the end of next. OFFSEASON i 805 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,400 don't think they made it with the intent of we 806 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,840 have to do that by this. Year maybe they'll be 807 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920 more once they have a maybe they want to see 808 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,400 what this team looks, like and then you make that 809 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,639 move at the, deadline because what other team is going 810 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,800 to be in a position to throw around so many 811 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,119 first round picks at that. 812 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 3: Point, well and specifically you just brought this into my, 813 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,199 head like you, know the the power, players like the 814 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,840 asset rich teams tend to be like Your brooklyn's and Your. 815 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,960 Utah's The Oklahoma city is the. Exception but there just 816 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,840 aren't that many teams where The grizzlies are that also 817 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,159 can now turn around and, say like we can kind 818 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,480 of compete pick wise and like movable contract, wise BECAUSE 819 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:12,880 i do think BOTH kcp and more So Cole, anthony 820 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,519 like those are kind of numbers you like to have 821 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,639 if you're trying to match salary and you have the 822 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,559 picks now to make it so that those can just 823 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,960 be figures on a sheet as opposed to like somebody 824 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,440 really WANTS kcp Or Cole anthony like they they're a 825 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,920 team now that feels like it's not a unique, position 826 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,519 but it's sort of rare with the way the assets 827 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,000 are kind of spread around the. League like a pretty 828 00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,239 good team with a very good war chest of picks 829 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,199 and young guys and movable contracts like that's that's a 830 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:39,840 good place to. 831 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,199 Speaker 4: BE i. 832 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 3: Think, SO i think you're right, that like down the, 833 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,159 line whether it's next summer or even at this year's, 834 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,960 Deadline memphis is someone you would want to watch for 835 00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,519 two because they just will be positioned to be, like 836 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,920 we're one guy away from being top four in The 837 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,559 west or, so you, know something like, that and we 838 00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:57,239 can act on. 839 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,639 Speaker 1: THAT i think what's gonna be telltale of what they're 840 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,960 planning on, doing maybe not necessarily this, offseason but within 841 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,679 the short. Term Jared Jackson junior and so his the 842 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,320 options now after this trade can be laid out as. 843 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,440 Such so we'll start here with their current cap, space 844 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,239 was there around like four and a half. 845 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,599 Speaker 2: Million they can. 846 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: Bump his salary up next season to twenty eight million 847 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,800 about and then extend him for four years one hundred 848 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920 and seventy five point six million. Dollars previously that number 849 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,800 was like one to ninety when they had seven million 850 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,440 dollars in cap. 851 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 2: Space would you agree that that's. 852 00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: That's not enough to get him to sign the renegotiating, extend. 853 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 3: Right i'd be pretty surprised just he's he's close to 854 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,039 like a max, GUY i, think or maybe he just 855 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:38,639 is a max. 856 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:39,519 Speaker 4: Guy what a? 857 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: Segue so they could just wait next year for unrestricted free, 858 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,679 agency at which time his four year max from The 859 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:47,760 grizzlies would be two hundred and twenty eight point six, 860 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,079 million or his five year max would be two hundred 861 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,079 and ninety six million. DOLLARS a max from another team 862 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,840 would be capped at four years and two hundred and 863 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,800 nineteen point four million. DOLLARS i think there's a part 864 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,519 of me that if you just know he wants to 865 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,840 be there and like he'll give you the last, chance 866 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,639 like right of, REFUSAL i would almost prefer that way 867 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,599 just to see how this season plays. Out but he's 868 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,000 an unrestricted free, agent so we could just. Leave AND 869 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,159 i think that's. Why to create more cap space route 870 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,000 is what Reporting there's been reporting From Mark, Stein Jake 871 00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,880 fisher and others that suggest they're gonna create even more cap. 872 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,639 Space so his max, SALARY i wanted to ask, you 873 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,800 this is forty six point four million dollars for next. 874 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920 Season he is twenty three point four million. 875 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:30,519 Speaker 2: Dollars shy of? 876 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: That what is like they Have Cole anthony they HAVE, 877 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,800 kcp maybe you can compensate a team to take On 878 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000 john Conschar and like all of a, sudden you're at 879 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,119 like ten million bucks in cap, Space, like what is 880 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:46,679 the number that you want to Extend Jaron Jackson junior off? 881 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:48,639 Of is it, like let's just say they can create 882 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:54,000 to give him thirty five million next? Year is that 883 00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,639 the extension then becomes what would he be at over 884 00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,360 the that four year extension then becomes two hundred and 885 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,480 nineteen point million? 886 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:02,159 Speaker 2: Dollars so is that? 887 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: Like? 888 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: Okay so it's right there on the four year it's 889 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,079 almost exactly down to the dollar of the four years another? 890 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 4: Team so which is which segue by? 891 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 3: YOU i was just gonna, say if all this was 892 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,360 part of a plan to create enough cap space to 893 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,000 get The jackson extension done, now which it's not enough, 894 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:24,559 Yet like as you, said that would have to be 895 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,239 a twenty three ish million uh trimmed to get. THERE 896 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,159 i don't LIKE i like the trade less if it 897 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,159 was done with an eye toward let's let's make sure 898 00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,840 we lock him down. Now BECAUSE i feel pretty good 899 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,920 As memphis knowing THAT i can just wait until he 900 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,159 hits unrestricted free agency and Then i'll DO i mentioned 901 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:42,400 THAT i. 902 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,199 Speaker 4: Forget who we were talking. 903 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 3: About it's Like i'll do The siakam thing In indiana 904 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,440 where it's, like ALL i know IS i can beat 905 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480 any team's four year, offer and SO i can guarantee 906 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,920 THAT i will be able to offer him. More and 907 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,559 IF i really got to go to that fifth, year 908 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,239 Then i'll do. It but, like it's not restricted free agency, 909 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,920 leverage but it is knowing you can make the best. Offer, 910 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,119 Uh and So i'm. WAITING i don't like the idea 911 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,320 that this was All, like you, know if a significant 912 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,400 part of The bain trade was so that we could 913 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,119 clear cap space to just lock In jackson at a big, 914 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,280 Number now does that make? Sense, like and what do 915 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,960 you think about? That do you would you? Wait or 916 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,719 would you would you be making cuts to do? 917 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 4: It? 918 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 2: Now i'm. 919 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,519 Speaker 1: Not, look if someone's gonna just Take John, conchard it 920 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,679 takes a second round pick and you can get, like 921 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,440 but you're also like not not nuking your, flexibility but 922 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,559 you are adding money onto your immediate bottom line that 923 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,280 you don't have. To and, YES i THINK i want 924 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,400 players to get paid as much as they. Can but, 925 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,320 like if you're a. Team you have to prioritize some 926 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,559 semblance of flexibility, here so to now move assets to 927 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:41,880 pay a player that's already on your. Team we didn't 928 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,880 like it when The kings did it With Domanta sabonis 929 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,599 and Garr Jackson. 930 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 2: Junior pro is a more valuable player in TODAY'S. NBA i, 931 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,159 Mean Demonic sabons are really. Good that's just shots. 932 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,639 Speaker 1: Fire But i'm NOT i don't like if you can 933 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000 do it, now like if he's gonna sign for four 934 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,599 the here's why you would do. 935 00:40:58,599 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: It i'm stumbling. 936 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: Here if if he's gonna, say if bumping him up 937 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,360 now gets him below market over the entirety of his, 938 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,039 extension so like the NUMBER i just laid, Out, No 939 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,159 i'm not creating an additional ten million dollars in cap 940 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,239 space so That Jared Jackson junior can sign a four. 941 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 2: Year two hundred and twenty million dollar. 942 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,559 Speaker 1: Extension If Jared Jackson junior wants to sign like a 943 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,280 one hundred and ninety million dollar like he was, before like, 944 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,360 Yeah i'll go create the extra cap space to do, it. 945 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 2: Or even a two hundred million dollar. 946 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,199 Speaker 1: One AND i know that you, Know, oh it's all 947 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,159 an average of like five million bucks a. Season you're 948 00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,920 saving that fucking, matters like when you're dealing with these 949 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,840 thin margins in the. Apron so that's what would make 950 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,880 me BECAUSE i don't think it would cost a ton 951 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,760 to give a, team let's, say Call anthony and then 952 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,480 take back a smaller, salary or just Put john conchar 953 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,840 into some, teams you, know mid level part of their 954 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,559 mid level. Exception SO i would consider. That but even 955 00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,559 if you're creating that additional cap, Space i'm not giving 956 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,280 it all To Jared Jackson junior just so THEN i 957 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,519 can pay him WHEN i could just give him next. 958 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,599 Offseason so IT'S i get the logic of the renegotiate and, 959 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,519 extent and it was like kind of. Venient what Was, 960 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,559 yeah what is seven million bucks in cap space gonna 961 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:04,239 do to? You that's less than the room exception that 962 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,519 you could still. Use but once you start getting into 963 00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,239 the habit of, well now we're gonna offload other stuff 964 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,760 to drum that. Up if that was part of the calculus, 965 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,840 HERE i don't love. IT i would actually like this 966 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840 trade more if they don't do, anything or if they're 967 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,519 Using John contra and Col anthy like they're attaching stuff 968 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:21,519 to get more players in here and then just Paying 969 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,559 Jaron Jackson junior next summer when he's actually a free. 970 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 4: Agent that's the. MOVE i think that has to be the, move. 971 00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,639 Speaker 3: Because, like it just feels like you're you're giving up 972 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,840 talent to pay more for the talent you currently have 973 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,320 before you have to like that if if that's you, 974 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,719 know if the cap space route and the trimming assets 975 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,440 to get there is the, Plan like that just doesn't 976 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:42,679 doesn't feel like good business to. 977 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 2: Me, no so doesn't it. 978 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: Doesn't it defeat the entire motif of us saying they did. 979 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,599 This they could be like malleable moving, forward and then 980 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,639 they're gonna begin that error by like constraining their theirselves 981 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:55,239 more than they have. 982 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 4: To that's why you can't do. It that's that's. Why that's. 983 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: It do you have anything else on this trade that 984 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,159 you want to? 985 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 2: Fire and he takes off before we Skidadle. 986 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 3: NO i just think it's really good For, orlando AND 987 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,079 i think there's a lot of upside For. Memphis it's 988 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,079 it's kind of boring to, say LIKE i kind of 989 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:08,719 like it for both. 990 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,639 Speaker 4: Sides it makes sense to. 991 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 3: ME i would just let's end where we, began which is, saying, 992 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,320 Uh shops was. 993 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 4: Good, Yeah shops was. Right this is the most craziest. 994 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,039 Speaker 3: Thing, uh you just. Can't you can't predict what's gonna. 995 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:26,599 Happen we just it's it's, insane how many fake trades and, 996 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:28,000 like what would so and so do? 997 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 4: This or what do you think about this? 998 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,159 Speaker 5: Guy we just never once, had as far AS i, 999 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:32,840 know Had bane To. 1000 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 4: Orlando, well, so to. 1001 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: Be fair The orlando side of, IT i think anyone 1002 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,320 could have, suggested, like, Oh baine's a great. FIT i 1003 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,840 really didn't expect The magic to have these four expensive 1004 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,840 players on their, books even if it's only a, theory 1005 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,639 Until powell's extension kicked. In so that's WHY i NEVER 1006 00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:50,159 i may have come up with A LaMelo ball trade 1007 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:51,960 for them at some, point BUT i probably had them 1008 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,599 Trading jail And sugs or, something and so if they 1009 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,639 would have made a move like, THIS i almost would 1010 00:43:56,639 --> 00:44:00,280 have assumed That sugs or maybe less Likely wagner would 1011 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,719 have been out going. 1012 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,760 Speaker 2: Money SO i applaud. 1013 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: THEM i think it took them too long to address 1014 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,119 the offensive, stuff BUT i applaud them as a non glamour, 1015 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:08,480 market although an underrated. 1016 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 2: Market if you want to play. 1017 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: THERE i applaud them for like doing, this because, yeah 1018 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,199 they're gonna have to make Some they're going to make 1019 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,280 some tough decisions down the, line BUT i think this 1020 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,719 at least shows for the next two, years, like, yeah 1021 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,760 they're gonna be like pretty, expensive maybe more than they 1022 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,519 typically would have been. 1023 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,679 Speaker 4: Comfortable and if you're trying to be, good you're gonna be. 1024 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,079 Expensive so and, these. 1025 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,519 Speaker 1: By the, way these are the two years to do, 1026 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,119 IT i would, argue because that's WHY i also like 1027 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:34,280 them ducking the tacks this year to, like you, know 1028 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,360 keep the repeater clock from. STARTING i don't even know 1029 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,199 how much value there is because these are the two 1030 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,119 years to just go for, it because The celtics a gap, 1031 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,039 year and then after that Is giannis still on The, 1032 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,440 bucks and then Also Jason tatum's coming. Back are we 1033 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,760 just gonna assume That Jason tatum Is Jason tatum in 1034 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,559 that first year there might be a feeling out season For. 1035 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,400 Boston so these are the two years we're talking about 1036 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,599 this short. Window these are the two years in The 1037 00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:59,639 east to really go for. 1038 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 3: It, yep and kudos to The, magic although as you, 1039 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,119 said like maybe maybe pull this off a little. 1040 00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 4: Sooner thanks everybody for, listening for, watching and remember rate, review. 1041 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 3: Subscribe if you're watching this on, YouTube let us know 1042 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,039 what you think of the. Trade, please if you saw this, 1043 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,239 coming let us know so we can like employ you 1044 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,719 and have you feed us smart. 1045 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 4: Ideas BECAUSE i didn't see it, coming join our discord 1046 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,760 links for. 1047 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 3: That YouTube and podcast subscription Shouts franklant looking at, Apologies 1048 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,280 jared an