WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:03.319 Hey, guys, we are so excited to share some of 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:06.839 the spooky stories listeners have sent in. Some of them 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:11.320 are thought provoking, mysterious and intriguing, and others are just 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.839 bind tingling. But before we dive in, Deb and I 5 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:16.800 wanted to ask you to please take a minute to 6 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.760 share our show with a friend or leave a comment 7 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:22.960 on Spotify or Apple or wherever you listen. It really 8 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.600 does help our show. You can also show your love 9 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:28.719 and support by signing up for our newsletters or following 10 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.679 us on social media. Be sure to check out our 11 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:35.560 Facebook page. I posted some fun videos and photos from 12 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.880 Deb's book party. I think you guys will. 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:38.520 Really enjoy it. 14 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.039 On our websites, Samantha Fay dot com and Deb Bowen 15 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:47.079 dot com, you can find our e courses, meditations, crystal bracelets, 16 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.079 and sign copies of our books. All my orders come 17 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.920 with a fun fortune cookie and a free crystal chosen 18 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.560 just for you. Okay, so dim the lights and get 19 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:20.640 ready to be spooky. Hello and welcome to Psychic Teachers. 20 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.920 I'm your host Samantha Fay and. 21 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:24.519 I'm Jeb Bowen, and. 22 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.680 We have our spooky listener story shows for you. 23 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:29.280 This week. 24 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.159 We are so excited. We put out the call a 25 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.480 couple of weeks ago for you all to send in 26 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.799 some scary stories, and gosh, deb, did they ever answer 27 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:39.280 the call? 28 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:40.599 Did they not? 29 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.280 We've got some good ones, We've got some spooky, scary ones, 30 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.879 and we have some really just puzzlers, like what happened there? 31 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.840 And some of the listeners. DEB asked us to answer 32 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.719 that question. I don't know that we have answers for 33 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:57.439 some of the weird, crazy, cool stuff we're. 34 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.719 Going to read. Yeah, the answer for many of these 35 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:00.760 is I don't know. 36 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:03.840 But isn't it fun to ponder? But we will do 37 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.400 our best. Okay, I'm gonna start us off. If that's 38 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:07.079 all right with you. 39 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.360 It's fine, go right ahead. Okay. 40 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:14.680 This story occurred one winter about fifteen years ago, writes 41 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.439 our first listener. We live in Wisconsin, out in the country. 42 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:22.080 We have pine trees that border the perimeter of our property. 43 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.080 On the other side, we are surrounded by cornfields. When 44 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.240 my husband and I woke up the morning after a 45 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.120 fresh snow, we noticed something very strange. There was a 46 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.639 path of footprints that began in the middle of the 47 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.800 row of pine trees and walked a direct path towards 48 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.319 my son's bedroom, who was four years old at the time. 49 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.639 But these were not usual footprints. They had the outline 50 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.639 and shape of a foot, but they were much larger 51 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.159 than the humans. Plus the prince did not have any 52 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.319 treads or lines on the bottom. It just looked like 53 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.319 a hole in the snow with a foot or boot 54 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:03.919 like outline. The second thing we noticed is that there 55 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.639 wasn't a return path of prints in the snow. It 56 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.360 was just one path that began in the pine trees 57 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:15.039 and ended at my son's bedroom. Where did this being 58 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:19.360 go once it reached his bedroom? They just stopped and disappeared. 59 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.919 We also looked to see how these footprints were able 60 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.439 to start from the middle of the row of trees, 61 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.759 but we couldn't figure it out. There were no footprints 62 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.919 on the other side of the pine trees, in the 63 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.080 cornfield or from the road. It's like something dropped out 64 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.520 of the sky, landed in the trees, and started walking 65 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.520 one path in our yard towards my son's bedroom. Third, 66 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.000 and perhaps most confusing, is the stride of the footprints. 67 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.520 The distance between each step got longer and longer down 68 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.680 its path, to the point where no human could have 69 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.960 made that step. When my husband and I went outside, 70 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.719 we could not match the footprints to a huge human stride, 71 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.840 not even by us taking our longest jumps. They were 72 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.560 just too far apart. It wasn't humanly possible to walk 73 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.879 or even jump between the prints. We just had no answers, 74 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.199 and we were really spooked. Should we call the police 75 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.920 and then say what that there are some unexplainable tracks 76 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.360 in the snow, They would probably say it was an 77 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.160 animal of some sort. Plus there was never a sign 78 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.120 of a break in or my son being harmed. It 79 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.839 happened several times that winter, enough where I remember waking 80 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.600 up and being afraid to look out the window because 81 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.240 I did not want to see the footprints, but also 82 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.160 not consistently enough to set up a trail cam and 83 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.279 record hours and hours of nightly footage. Maybe part of 84 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:48.879 me didn't want to know. Okay, the part where the 85 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:54.040 footsteps end at the child's window, that's a spooky hard 86 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.560 no from me, terrifying. 87 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:02.920 Yes it is. My initial reaction to this was okay, bigfoot, 88 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.319 And then the more I read, the more I thought, no, 89 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:09.079 probably not bigfoot. And then, because you know I believe 90 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.879 in bigfoot, can I just mention that, and then I thought, well, okay, 91 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.240 so somebody had some way of playing some kind of 92 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.079 a trick. It was some kind of a joke in 93 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.720 some sort, But then there would have been footprints from 94 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.720 whoever was playing the joke, so I dismissed that. So 95 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.240 the answer is I don't have a clue. It's stories 96 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.439 like these that make me think just what is truth? 97 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.199 What is truth? I'm always curious about that. So the 98 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:34.480 answer is, I don't have an answer. 99 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.959 Do you remember in George Knab's book on Skinwalker Ranch, 100 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.680 he has a whole story in there about people who 101 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.399 would see a portal open in the sky right above 102 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.720 the ranch's property and a bigfoot like creature would walk 103 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:51.279 out of it. 104 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:52.680 Do you remember that chapter? 105 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:53.439 Well? Do I? 106 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.079 Ever, that's what I kept thinking about. I would love 107 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.720 for her to do some history of what was connected 108 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.399 to that land, and did anyone else have something. 109 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:05.480 Weird like that? 110 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.920 Or you know, are there any granite locations or courts nearby? 111 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.879 That's something Dave Polaides always looks for in the missing 112 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.079 four to one one cases, is the lot of those 113 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.879 weird sightings are near vast revenues of some type of 114 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:22.759 mental deposit. 115 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.920 Interesting. Yeah, right, she's got some O work to do. 116 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.879 Then, Yes, but I'm glad her son is safe and 117 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:30.920 was never bothered or spooped out by it. 118 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:35.600 Absolutely most important. Our next one says, this is the 119 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.759 closest I've ever come to actually seeing a ghost. In 120 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.879 August two thousand and eight, my father, who had been 121 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.480 battling cancer for many years, was lying close to death 122 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.279 in a hospice facility, drifting in and out of consciousness 123 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.879 as we all waited for the end. One afternoon, my 124 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.480 brother and I were at my mom's house, sitting on 125 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.160 the couch in the living room. As I looked out 126 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.720 the front window, I saw what appeared to be the 127 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.879 shadow of a person moving across the front yard towards 128 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.040 the attached garage. It was as if the sun were 129 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.439 casting the shadow on the grass, but there wasn't anyone 130 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.160 there to have a shadow. My brother gasped, did you 131 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:20.240 see that? I said, yes, if someone outside. He got 132 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.279 up and went out to the garage and looked around. 133 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.519 A minute later, he returned, shaking his head. No one 134 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.759 was there. We both sat back down with puzzled looks 135 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.519 on our faces, thinking of my dad, who had always 136 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.160 entered the house from the garage instead of the front door. 137 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.360 I half expected the phone to ring with news of 138 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.079 his passing. It did not, and he lingered in a 139 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.040 coma for a few more days. I have since heard 140 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.199 the theory that people near death will start to leave 141 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.959 their bodies for short periods, and I've often wondered if 142 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.079 the shadow we saw were my father coming home one 143 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.600 last time. Well, first of all, I'm so sorry about 144 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.279 your dad. My dad too late in a coma for 145 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:04.680 a while before he died, and I know how that 146 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.639 felt to us. Yes, there's lots of evidence out there 147 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.560 that folks leave their bodies and check in on family. 148 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.560 They have family members who come from across the veil 149 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.399 to help them across. I recently had a lovely friend 150 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.959 who a few days before he died. He was unconscious, 151 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.879 but every once in a while he would giggle and laugh, 152 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.839 and we all believed that he probably had folks from 153 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.159 the other side coming to help him cross over. My 154 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:38.759 thought in listening to this story is, Yeah, I would 155 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.320 not be at all surprised if this wasn't just your 156 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.720 dad's way of coming to home one more time before 157 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.440 it was time to actually go. That's my take on. 158 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.120 This, I think they all do that. I think they 159 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.799 all visit the people that were nearest and dearest to 160 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.519 them before they leave this earth one last time physically. 161 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.320 Remember when I was taking care of all the kids 162 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.600 at my house when my mother in law was dying 163 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.559 and her kids and her husband were doing a vigil 164 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.720 around her bed at the hospital, and I saw Maggie 165 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.600 and I called my ex husband and I said, I'm 166 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.519 so sorry, and he said, yeah, we're all doing okay. 167 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.279 She's okay. And I said, oh, I thought she just passed. 168 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.480 I just saw her in the bedroom and he said, no, 169 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.600 she's still here. And I felt that. I don't know, 170 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:29.360 I just felt really weird about it, you know, And 171 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.840 I'm so sorry. I hung up the phone, And ten 172 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.240 minutes later he called and said she passed, right. And 173 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:38.039 then remember two weeks ago, I called you my friend 174 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.240 was dying and I thought she had died because I 175 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.399 had that dream where she hugged me and said, look 176 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:46.240 my hair's back, right. Yeah, and she had not passed. 177 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.159 She passed a couple of days later. And you said 178 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.759 exactly what this listener was saying, that she was visiting, right, yeah, 179 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.679 Oh beautiful all right our next one says, I work 180 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.639 in government, so this is not my real name. Just 181 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.120 call me Doug. I've been active as a psychic medium 182 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.759 for ten years and was asked by a mentor if 183 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:08.759 I would like to join her on a trip to 184 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.639 Skinwalker Ranch for a TV show she was doing a 185 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:14.960 few years prior. I had read a book about the Ranch, 186 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.440 so I knew it was a site associated with the 187 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.240 dark side of the paranormal UFOs and more. Not remembering 188 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.519 how scary some of those stories were, I immediately replied 189 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.919 that yes, I'd love to go along. Perhaps most awfully, 190 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:32.360 some researchers children have been impacted by serious mental health 191 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.360 issues after their parents' return. Getting out my old books 192 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.120 about the ranch and reading reviews of other books, I 193 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.399 was reminded how bizarre and at times terrifying the reports were. 194 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:46.919 One reviewer noted that people have suffered an array of 195 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:51.600 lasting health consequences, including radiation exposure, from their time on 196 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.759 the ranch. So I purchased a new book on Skinwalker Ranch. 197 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.279 As I delved into it, I started to get the 198 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.480 feeling that I should entirely stay away from this topic 199 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.039 and the sight. Needing a break from the book, I 200 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.159 put it down, knowing that it was time to take 201 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.120 the dog outside before bed. Standing outside under a cloudy, 202 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.440 windy sky, I thought to myself that no trip to 203 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.639 a ranch would ever be worth endangering my family's health. 204 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.759 The dog and I turned around to go inside as 205 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.840 I contemplated abandoning the entire endeavor. As I did so, 206 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.720 I had a clear view into our thirteen year old's room. 207 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.799 It looked, for just a moment, like he had hung 208 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.519 himself from the ceiling and my wife had found him there. Fortunately, 209 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.320 as I better focus my eyes on the scene, I 210 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.480 realized that he was just standing on his bed and 211 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.279 his mom was simply hugging him good night. Still, however, 212 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.679 the mere suggestion and glimpse of such a horrific situation 213 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:55.679 absolutely terrified me. Entering the house, I wanted to consult 214 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.679 my Touro deck. Note that I was using just the 215 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:02.840 major arcana for this. I greeted the cards like old friends, 216 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.399 shuffled the deck numerous times, pulled one card and placed 217 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.440 it face down in front of me. A reversed card 218 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.559 would tell me that no, I should not read any 219 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.960 more of the book. I flipped the card over the 220 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:22.200 hanged man reversed. This was terrifying. I couldn't believe it. 221 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.519 The hanged Man is a card that rarely, if ever 222 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.759 comes up for me. I get chills again just writing this. 223 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.120 I would immediately dispose of the book, I told myself 224 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.960 before he did so, I wanted to draw one last card, 225 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.840 so I returned the Hangman to the deck, shuffled again 226 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.960 for a minute or so, and drew one last card 227 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.840 to ask if I shouldn't go on the trip. A 228 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:49.840 card in the upright position would mean yes, don't go 229 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.559 on the trip. I drew the card, put it face down, 230 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.399 took a breath, and flipped it the hanged Man right 231 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:02.159 side up, absolutely horrifying. With that, I knew I would 232 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.360 not just destroy the book and abandon the trip to 233 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.759 the ranch, but that I would also end my interest 234 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.080 in the ranch and leave it alone forever. Finally, I 235 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.240 took a few deep breaths, stood up, and prayed for 236 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.960 all of this to pass. I asked the Creator and 237 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:19.519 my angels for protection. After a few minutes, I felt 238 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.759 good and confident in my decision. Then I returned to 239 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.960 my deck. I'd flip one last card and see what 240 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.559 it told me. It was my old friend, my card, 241 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.600 the one that always appears for me, the magician. Upright, 242 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.759 I'm good, I thought, I'm good. Now my family is 243 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:41.600 good too. Whoa dab? What do you think about that? 244 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:47.679 Do you remember when Joel bought the Skinwalker Ranch book? Yeah, 245 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.200 he started reading it and he got to page forty nine, Yes, 246 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.840 and he stopped, and he gave the book to me. 247 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:57.799 And he didn't tell me that he had stopped at 248 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.200 page forty nine. He just said, I think you need 249 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.000 to read this before we go any further. So I 250 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.360 opened the book and I started reading, and I got 251 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.879 to page forty nine, and I stopped, and I said, 252 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:13.919 I'm bringing this book back to you, he said, And 253 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.919 then I'm going to destroy the book. I do it. 254 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.600 Totally forgot that last part of the story. Yeah, that's 255 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:22.559 absolutely true. 256 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:29.440 I get this fella's perspective on all of this. Now. 257 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:34.879 You know, since then, the investigation at the Ranch has 258 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:40.639 turned to being much more scientific based. If you follow 259 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:45.279 the new series on the History Channel with Travis what's 260 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.799 his name and Eric Eric and those guys. Yeah, it's 261 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.600 much more science based and not nearly as paranormal based, 262 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:59.840 although there are certainly still UFO's UAPs in the sky 263 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.519 these days, and even on the TV things. 264 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.960 Well, one of the team members had some health issues, 265 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:06.559 remember they did. 266 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:11.080 And there have been cases where Travis has aborted experiments 267 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.919 and has had everybody get out of there because of 268 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.000 spikes and radiation and this, that and the other. So 269 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.320 a lot of things continue to happen. But it's more 270 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:25.840 science oriented than spooky oriented, if you I'm not maybe 271 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.080 making that there, No, I agree, but that's more of 272 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.559 what it is. However, back to this fellow's story here. 273 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.039 First of all, I cannot tell you how many times 274 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.720 I have said this sentence over the years to my students. 275 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:42.360 I don't trust me, but I trust he wrote, and 276 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:46.480 I mean that. And his relationship with the keys in 277 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:51.440 his deck are clearly pretty strong. And that symbolism of 278 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:56.000 the hangedman to him very deeply resonated with him, and 279 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.600 he trusted it. And I have to applaud him for 280 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.000 that percent and that He's clearly not somebody who's new 281 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.159 to Row. So that's another thing, because new folks can 282 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.159 get off track, I think, with cards. But clearly he 283 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.600 is not so good for him. I'm glad the magician 284 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.360 showed up to reinforce his decision. 285 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.120 Who okay, and glad he trusted his intuition. 286 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:22.480 Yeah, great story, Okay, go ahead, all right. My husband 287 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.320 and I had gone to stay at a friend's place out 288 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.720 in the woods. Their road is steep and secluded, with 289 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.480 only two houses at the bottom and thick trees arching 290 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.919 over everything. That night, someone we didn't want to see 291 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.399 was outside, so instead of going in, we parked at 292 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:42.399 the end of the gravel road, by the other house, 293 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.759 which sat empty. My husband sat in the driver's street, 294 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.120 scrolling on his phone while I journaled, then drifted off 295 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.559 with my head against the window. In the gray light 296 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.440 of early morning, I slipped into that hazy state between 297 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:01.000 dreaming and waking. Suddenly I had the distinct sense of 298 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:05.720 being watched from somewhere outside of myself. I felt an 299 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.920 almost soul a presence leaning over my window, staring down 300 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:14.359 at me. It was very tall and unnaturally pale, dressed 301 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.039 in black. Its face was oval and blank, with dark, 302 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:23.720 jagged lips and wide, unblinking eyes. The features were stark, 303 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:30.119 almost two dimensional, as if sketched in shadows. It hunched closer, curious, 304 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.920 peering in. I convinced myself it was a dream until 305 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:39.039 the screech of tires yanked me back. My husband had 306 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.680 thrown the car into reverse and was speeding us towards 307 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.559 the highway. At first I thought he was just angry 308 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.160 about something, but when I looked at him, his face 309 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.720 was pale with fear. All he said was you won't 310 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.359 believe me. I don't want to talk about it. I pressed, 311 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.519 and finally he admitted he awakened to see a tall, 312 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.079 dark figure bent over my window, staring in. He described 313 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.759 the same face as I had seen, except from his 314 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.839 vantage point. The thing actually turned to look at him 315 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.880 before disappearing into the woods. What shook us both was 316 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:19.000 that we'd experienced the same presence from different angles. I 317 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:21.759 had brushed it off as the nightmare, but hearing him 318 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.400 describe what I saw down to the details of its face, 319 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.640 confirmed that it wasn't just me. The experience has never 320 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:33.240 left me. Was it a guardian, a trickster, a signpost 321 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.440 on the path I was just beginning to walk. I 322 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.559 still don't know. I even found out that there was 323 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:43.559 also a well nearby, old and abandoned, but could it 324 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:47.279 have been a portal? It's the reason I found your podcast, 325 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.680 and the reason I keep listening, hoping to understand a 326 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:54.240 little more about the mysteries awaiting just beyond the veil. 327 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:59.599 Oh Lord, I don't think we have all the answers. 328 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.240 Please don't think we do. We have just as many 329 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.680 questions as you all do. And so with that in mind, 330 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.759 I don't think we can answer what you saw either. 331 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.960 I do believe, as the ratio said in one of 332 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.880 Shakespeare's plays, there is more to heaven and earth than 333 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.519 we can ever know. I'm not quoting that verbatim, but 334 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.079 that's the idea. And I think it's true that there 335 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:28.240 are so many aspects to this world in which we 336 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.920 live that they are just are not answers. You know what. 337 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.519 I always tell myself though, because sometimes I feel bad 338 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.160 when people come to us with questions and we don't 339 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.880 have the answers. Yah, I remind myself. At least we created, 340 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.799 I hope, a safe place for us all to ask 341 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.160 these questions together and to feel comfortable sharing stories like this. 342 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.640 That's true, that's a good point. I feel bad. It's like, no, 343 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.279 I don't have all the answers. I don't have all 344 00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:58.400 the questions. 345 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.799 Right, I mean, it could be a guardian, it could 346 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.759 be a trickster. The fact that they were both so 347 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.920 scared it tells me all I need to know. I mean, 348 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.440 that's just a fascinating experience, and it makes me think, 349 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.240 when we do have those sleep paralysis moments, is it 350 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:20.359 really sleep paralysis? 351 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:22.039 Yeah? I don't know. Okay. 352 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:24.839 I'm glad though, that he had it too. 353 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:26.480 I'm not glad for him that he had it, but 354 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.279 I'm glad for her that they both had it together, 355 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.640 because otherwise they would have just felt silly that they 356 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.119 had that experience on their own, like, no one's gonna 357 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:43.160 believe me, right, Okay. Our next one says, in nineteen eighty, 358 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.279 my dad rented a house from an old lady named Annie. 359 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:48.279 My dad was a farm worker and didn't have a 360 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.920 lot of money. He had a wife and three kids 361 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.119 to support. He heard about a house which, for some reason, 362 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.839 couldn't keep renters because it was allegedly haunted. My dad 363 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.799 had a sixth sense and had seen ghosts all his 364 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.640 life and wasn't afraid of them, so he decided to 365 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.000 rent the house. Two hundred dollars a month was super cheap. 366 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.359 We lived there until Annie died in nineteen ninety six. 367 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:12.839 Annie became our good friend. She would often joke with 368 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:16.799 us and say, I'll be darned these ghosts like you guys. Well, 369 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.319 I'm the oldest and the one who inherited my dad's 370 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.359 sixth sense. Throughout the years living there, I saw a 371 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:25.680 woman in the closet. My parents room had a closet 372 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.400 where I would see the women standing or sometimes sitting 373 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.440 on their bed, but always by the closet. She wore 374 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.400 white clothes with a white veil, and once I looked 375 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:36.960 at her face, she had holes where the eyes should 376 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.839 have been. I screamed. Another time, my mom ran to 377 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.880 the store and left my little sister asleep in her room. 378 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.960 My mom asked me to watch my sister for twenty minutes. 379 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.759 My little sister was crying and I was afraid to 380 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:51.680 go into the room because I didn't want to see 381 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.599 the lady. Suddenly I heard my little sister laughing. I 382 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.920 peeked in the room and saw the lady's back to 383 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:02.160 the door. She was entertaining my little sister. I ran 384 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.319 to the backyard and waited for my mom to get 385 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.759 home and tell her all about it. We told Annie, 386 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:09.880 and she said she rented the house once to a 387 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.880 man who had locked his wife in the closet, and 388 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.839 she died there. 389 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:15.720 My mom and her. 390 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.839 Sisters said prayers for her soul, and lit candles and 391 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.440 cleansed the room with holy water and other things, and 392 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:25.000 we never saw her again. Oh, I bet they helped 393 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.079 her cross over. Another thing I remember vividly was one 394 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.440 day when I looked out the kitchen window, which faced 395 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.480 the backyard, I saw little dwarfs running on the fence playing. 396 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.480 One even came to the window and said boo and 397 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.759 walked away laughing. I heard and saw a lot more 398 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.400 things than the rest of my family, but all of them, 399 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.319 at one point or another, saw or heard things as well. 400 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.119 Sometimes we felt hands touching us, or whispers in our ears, 401 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.400