WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:10.119 It's not them. I so fantasy sat in the ritial 2 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.800 history the gold and tell me you. 3 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.719 To Warrior returning game for WrestleMania eight. How you doing, mister. 4 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.519 Mooney doing great? And I'm ready to talk about this 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.000 one because there was a lot happening with the WWE 6 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.160 then and bringing back a lot of memories, taking a 7 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.600 look at some of these action that took place in 8 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:33.960 the ring. 9 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.520 It's gonna be crazy because one of these big rumors 10 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.399 about this event was when the Ultimate Warrior did return, 11 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.280 it wasn't him because he was so small, And that 12 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.840 was the schoolyard rumor for a long time. 13 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.119 Was did you see the Ultimate Warrior died and. 14 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.079 They replaced them with someone else to play the Uliman Warrior? 15 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:54.520 Did you me hear that? Weird rumor? Because the Internet 16 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:56.079 was not a thing in nineteen ninety two. 17 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.520 Oh sure, But and I was going to talk about this. 18 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.400 I mean, remember when this was nineteen ninety two, and 19 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:10.200 you know, the all the you know, these steroid controversy 20 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:13.079 was really at you know, it was starting to reach 21 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:17.879 peak proportions here and you'll see in the match with 22 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.640 Rick Flair, Macho Man is in going through that phase 23 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.120 where he's wearing the Spandex shirts, and I do believe 24 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.400 there was a reason for that, and and a lot 25 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:35.159 of these guys. So yeah, the it was a kind 26 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.200 of right before our eyes, seeing what happens when you 27 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:43.640 can't have a little help, shall we say. 28 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:47.439 Just a little I remember that story with mister Perfitt 29 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:49.680 going to put a needle in the war learning. 30 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.840 There you go, You're good, You're all filled up. 31 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.560 So possibly that's what's happen here. 32 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.519 But that's a good topic to bring up because when 33 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.599 you see Warriors show up and nobody sees him. His 34 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:11.319 hair is this short, he has no muscle mass whatsoever, 35 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.680 he has different makeup on. It's very bizarre because you're 36 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:18.159 right in the steroid trial. It's coming, and steroids are 37 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.280 a big deal in the WWF right now, But Hogan's 38 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.599 leaving this wrestling Unia is advertised as being Cogan's possible 39 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.680 last match. Now, when you were gearing up for this, 40 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.759 when you were working for the company, what was the 41 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:32.680 real reason you. 42 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:34.560 Think Hoke Cogan was leaving steroids? 43 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.319 Yeah, and I think it was just everything that was 44 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.000 going on, and he really believed that he was going 45 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.039 to you go on to bigger and better, I think, 46 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:50.240 But as we know, you know, Terry also knew deep 47 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.800 down how much that company needed him. And I think 48 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.400 he always believed that no matter what happened, I can 49 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:00.879 still just pick up that phone, which we saw, you 50 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:05.360 know it It was, you know, very true. But yeah, 51 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.199 I just there was a lot happening that besides the 52 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:18.000 steroids and everything, you know, with people questioning Hulco Mania 53 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:22.199 in a lot of ways. You know that the whole 54 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.000 thing about eat your vitamins and all this and and 55 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.960 Hulkamania was starting to wane a little bit start to 56 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.719 wear on people. And I think in some sense that 57 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:35.080 you know, because it's kind of the old wrestling adage 58 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.840 that you know, you build a certain storyline to a 59 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:43.639 peak and then you go away and they miss you. 60 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:45.240 How can I miss you if you don't go away? 61 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.520 So I think that you know that that had a 62 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.120 little something to do with it as well. But I 63 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.560 think the the overriding factor though, for for hul Cogan 64 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.599 was that he really believed that there was going to 65 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.000 be a next level to his career. 66 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:01.560 I'm glad you brought up. 67 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.280 You would always have wrestling, You'd always have wrestling. 68 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.560 He always, Yeah, he definitely picked up that phone multiple 69 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.759 times throughout his career. But oh, that's true. Yeah, Wrestling 70 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.840 nine is a big indication of this. The territories. 71 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.560 I'm so happy you brought that up because everyone always 72 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.920 brings up the question of like why did business go down? 73 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.480 Why did Hull Comania end? And you just said it perfectly. 74 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.920 Where you have a storyline, it ends, you leave the territory, 75 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:26.720 you go to another territory, you do a kind of 76 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.120 a different storyline, you leave that one, you keep going. 77 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.519 The WWF is really the first time to prove that 78 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.920 there's a company that is lasting beyond territories. We have 79 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.560 steady characters that we have been introduced for seven years 80 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.519 of Hull Comania. This is the first time and I 81 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.279 think in ever did we see wrestlers stick around in 82 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.079 a spot longer than just a small storyline or a 83 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.199 period Like do you feel like maybe that's why the 84 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.800 business goes down because we don't have fresh audience, We 85 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.000 don't have fresh characters because we've had the same ones 86 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:56.120 for the past decade. 87 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.439 Yeah, And I think that was all part of you know, 88 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.199 and Vince had realized earlier on that he was going 89 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:06.800 to have to be able to find talent that could 90 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:10.920 replace Hulkamania. But you know, think about it though, as 91 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.560 you just said, I mean it was actually more than 92 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:17.639 seven years at this point that Hulkamania had been running wild. 93 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.920 And and to see that because you know, somebody of 94 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.079 you know that how giant he was, I mean, it 95 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.279 just shows how crazy it was and and the fact 96 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.680 that he was able to make it last that long 97 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:37.319 without having to have some major you know, evolvement or 98 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.920 becoming something else. And it really did prove that, you know, 99 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.279 it was a different world. They really was about the 100 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.680 sports entertainment a whole different level from what they've been 101 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.399 used to, because, as you said, with the territories, you 102 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.240 would have guys go in there, big names, very recognizable. 103 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.959 You know, Andre was one of them. You know, all 104 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.360 these Sammartino and you know, all these guys that were 105 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.439 huge stars. But they would get they'd run these storylines 106 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.079 and then it would get kind of stale, and they 107 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:14.000 would they would territories would you know, exchange talent and 108 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.959 it would give them a chance to go somewhere new, 109 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.120 make new money. Because of course everything was based on 110 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.079 gates and so you know, you go there, do this 111 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.720 new territory, and that's how these guys got known across 112 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.720 the country. They wouldn't if they stayed in that one 113 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.160 area all the time. And some there were some that did, 114 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.639 but you know, some of the bigger names, the champions, 115 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:39.279 they would exchange guys and be able to keep it fresh. 116 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.959 But the WWE was really and I'm sure that a 117 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.600 lot of those guys that ran those territories said, yeah, sure, 118 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.680 we'll see how long this lasts, because how's he going 119 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.920 to be able to do this because it had been 120 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.800 done the old way for so long and Vince proved 121 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.759 them all wrong. But at this point it was starting 122 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:04.600 to Wayne, as I said, it was starting to fade, 123 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.360 and he had found new stars. We had, you know, 124 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.000 the ultimate warrior. We had the macho man Randy Savage, 125 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:17.519 who you know, found great success. But until we've seen 126 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.000 a couple sins. But at that point in time, nobody 127 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:25.439 could touch Hulk Hogan and hulk Mania, and that was 128 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.240 certainly the case. Then the company was not doing well, 129 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.000 and which is surprising when we start to talk about 130 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.360 wrestlemaniaate here that they would choose such a large venue, 131 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.800 the Hoosier Dome, and then because you know, putting sixty 132 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.519 plus thousand, and we don't know exactly how many of 133 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.800 those were comps, but still you had to get people 134 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:50.480 to show up and be there for it. So it's 135 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.279 a great testament that they were able to pull that 136 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.800 off because at the time, you know, business was not great, 137 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.720 and I remember being in a lot of the house shows. 138 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.839 You know, we'd go for TV tapings and you know, 139 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.639 there was a guy named Bob Collins who would he 140 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.839 was the guy in charge of, you know, the seating, 141 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.639 and he was a promotions guy, and you talk about 142 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:14.480 the hardest job in the business. I mean, he would 143 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.079 be out there and you know, and these TV tapings 144 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.480 would go on and on and on, and we'd have 145 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.160 maybe a few thousand people there sometimes and he would be, 146 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.040 you know, through the night as people would go home 147 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.040 because their kids had to go to school that next day, 148 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:30.279 begetting people to come and move. Hey, you come on, 149 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:32.039 you could sit right up our ring side, you know, 150 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.159 to try and fill in on the hard side of 151 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:39.200 the camera to you know, keep the the the illusion 152 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.919 alive that there was a that was a very full arena. 153 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:46.519 So it was a fraught time for the WWE, no 154 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:47.639 doubt about it. Steve. 155 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.720 Yeah, you brought up the gate to where rumors online 156 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.399 is the announced number of sixty two thousand, one hundred 157 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.200 and sixty seven. Now the rumors is only forty seven 158 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.639 thousand were actually sold, so fifty are comped. I find 159 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:04.799 that shocking to believe that online at least the rumor 160 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.159 is fifteen thousand people were comped. 161 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.639 That's an entire arena in some towns. 162 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:14.360 Oh, absolutely, no kidding, Uh yeah, I don't think it 163 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.960 was that many, but I do believe that they did 164 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.720 have to give away a lot, I mean thousands though, 165 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.440 to try and you know, fill that place up, no 166 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:24.759 doubt about it. Yeah. 167 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:25.080 Yeah. 168 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.639 And the territory thing before we before we move on 169 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.320 from territories, though, I do want to bring up like 170 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.519 Vince Man would find talent from other places, you know, 171 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:35.600 Awa or NWA, and you'd have million dollar man come 172 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.080 in and Hacksaw Jim dug in and H'll Billy Jim. 173 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.120 All these people came from somewhere else first. 174 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.600 And so now all the territories have closed, the Vince 175 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.840 put them out of business. Now there's nowhere to pluck 176 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.159 the best talent from anywhere because there's nobody left except 177 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.440 for your competition, which is n WA slash WCW. Is 178 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.879 that really you think a problem for creating new superstars 179 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.039 because now there's nowhere to go to get them, So 180 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.840 how do you create them out of thin air? 181 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:06.240 Well? And then also keep in mind that now they're 182 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:12.320 going places in uh, getting guaranteed money, uh and also 183 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.679 not having to do the grind that you had to 184 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.120 have to do with the w w E. And uh. 185 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.240 You know, as I said, the w w E at 186 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.080 the time had lost its luster a bit, and so 187 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:28.919 it wasn't the you know, the emerald on top of 188 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.360 the mountain there that you just wanted to necessarily go. 189 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.879 Now they had now they had other options and uh 190 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.279 and in a sense, you know, preferred to go somewhere 191 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.759 else because they just felt they weren't getting treated fairly 192 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.919 where they were, as we'll talk about. You know, Jake 193 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:49.080 was certainly in that situation. Yeah, and you know, so 194 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.840 so for the first time, these guys had had other 195 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.639 options and leverage, which Vince McMahon was not used to. 196 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.080 I mean, you know, just imagine you're the you're this 197 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:03.840 guy that's toileting the AWA and you're mid South or 198 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.679 and then you get that phone call from Vince McMahon. 199 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.360 Oh you know, and we're gonna say, you know, we've 200 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.360 got a ticket for you, come on up here. You 201 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.840 get the limos waiting for you at the airport. It 202 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.639 was a done deal before the guy got off the phone. 203 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.840 But this wasn't necessarily the case. And then in house, 204 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.080 you've got all that's going on too. You got the 205 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.240 stirrings of these guys who are like, wait a minute, 206 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.919 you know, you seeing these other guys go other places 207 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.679 to getting money. They're not having to be on the 208 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.360 road and be away from their family for all this time. 209 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:38.320 And you we'd seen where you know, like Jesse had 210 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.120 tried to organize these guys and man, they shut that 211 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:45.320 down right away. And I think these guys really felt 212 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.840 like they they weren't being represented. They were chattel in 213 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.120 a way to these guys that you know you and 214 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.159 it certainly is the nature of the business. But if 215 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.679 I'm going to do that, pay me. 216 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.320 Yep, especially now too. 217 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:03.120 And I love though in wrestling because celebrities have always 218 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.799 been involved with WrestleMania. So we have Ruba McIntyre starting 219 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.159 off the show. But Bobby Heenan on Commentary's bringing up 220 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.960 out Reba must be related to Tito Santana because he. 221 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:21.080 Says, oh my god, yeah. 222 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:20.720 Will you stop? 223 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.840 A GIRLA says, and anybody else you would have been, 224 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:24.440 you would have it would have been such a groaner. 225 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.360 But with Bobby the way he delivers that stuff, like 226 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.799 way you stop, it was absolutely. 227 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:34.399 It was so rigging funny. 228 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.759 But the first matchup of Wressemania eight is Sean Michaels 229 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:40.159 versus Tito Santana. Originally it's supposed to be Sean Michaels 230 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.440 Marty Jeannetti the Rock and broke up in early January, 231 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.879 but we talked about on our Royal Rumble nineteen ninety 232 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.279 two show where Marty gets in trouble with the law, 233 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:53.200 So that means he's not here at this event now. 234 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:57.639 Jenny Jenny was arrested in Tampa for interfering with a 235 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:02.080 police officer while he's underage companion tried to enter a 236 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.039 nightclub with a fake ID. Oh, by the way, he 237 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.720 was also found with less than one gram of cocaine 238 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:13.200 on him. Yeah, Marty, buddy, that's a lot of bad 239 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:14.080 decisions all. 240 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:14.519 In one night. 241 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:23.639 That's why he was never known as Marty the Brain. Janetty. 242 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.240 So many things wrong there before I go out that night, right. 243 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:32.159 Yeah, my underage girlfriend first, let me ch let. 244 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.159 Me check her id like how old are you? Which 245 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.080 I don't think would have really mattered at the time. 246 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:44.399 It was a different, different world, but goodness, and I 247 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.919 don't know how old she was, but I don't know, 248 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.240 you know, did she have a driver's license? 249 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.320 And you show up to the club and brain to 250 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:57.519 get into a plus that's a problem exactly. 251 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:04.200 Uh, and then you know it, I would think, And 252 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.480 and then you get involved in a confrontation not just 253 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:13.559 with it's not like some doorman, it's it's it's an officer. 254 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.360 Uh maybe it was an off duty cop work in 255 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.600 the door. I don't know, but whatever, that's even that 256 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:24.919 is just wrong. And then you've got cocaine on you too, 257 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.799 Like how bad do I wanta f up? You know 258 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.279 that I've got one of the greatest jobs in the world. 259 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.399 I don't know how much longer they're gonna keep me around, 260 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.480 but I know this is a good angle, so I 261 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.720 could probably get, you know, a good run out of this. 262 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.919 But no, I'm just gonna throw it in the trash 263 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.360 heap in one night and make it. Boy, Am I 264 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.639 gonna make it good? Uh? 265 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:52.200 Big? 266 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.759 You know? Yeah, I mean he could have ended up 267 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.720 in jail for months. They could have thrown the book 268 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:04.279 at it. I'm sure that you know that lawyers got 269 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:09.559 involved and it wasn't necessarily that they were being compassionate, 270 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.320 but it was he makes the company look bad. So 271 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.320 I think he got a suspended sentence in house arrests 272 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:25.200 or something like that. But what can you say? Yeah, 273 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.720 and time and time again, it wasn't like he hadn't 274 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:32.600 been given chances and just didn't learn and uh, you know, 275 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.600 it's it's we've had We've had this discussion before, Steve 276 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:43.080 that how talented I thought that Marty Jeanetti was just 277 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.559 I felt he was, you know, certainly on the same 278 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:51.519 level of Sean, maybe even better initially, and and it 279 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:56.200 just the demons got him and he because there's no 280 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.159 reason why he couldn't be a legend and helping guys 281 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:09.279 in the WWE become great superstars instead of being kind 282 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.240 of an afterthought of what could have been. 283 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.080 Yeah, you have Sean Michael's training XC wrestlers, the future 284 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:20.919 of the W of Marginetti doing Mary Jetty things, and 285 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.039 it's it's sad that this happened. But Seawn Michael is 286 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.399 this is he starts off Russemania eight in the match 287 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.200 trust Me and not he actually kicks off that event 288 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.039 as well, where he was also supposed to fight marjor Ennny, 289 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:33.320 but Marjornni got in trouble. 290 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.559 Again, so we fought to Tanka at that event. 291 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.279 So it's just not a it's not working out for 292 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.639 Marty anytime soon, but for you in the time the 293 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.080 w WF. Do you ever hear how the first match 294 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.879 of any event was very important to get the audience 295 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.879 into it or is that just a wise tale like 296 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:49.559 we've heard of the year. 297 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.360 No? No, no, that was always a philosophy. And I 298 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.720 remember in those meetings, because you know, we would have 299 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.120 these every all hands on deck, we have these meetings. 300 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.320 Everybody was there that was involved with anything that was 301 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.279 going on, and that was very organized, and I just 302 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:10.119 always remember Vince talking about that's the second those you know, 303 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.319 that's you know, the whole thing where they would jack 304 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.079 the audience up and Howard would go out there and 305 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.559 count him down and so they'd pop when we hit 306 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.240 and uh and and part of that, you know, some 307 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.039 of them like it might be a dark match coming in. 308 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.559 But no matter what it was, first match that was 309 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.039 on the pay per view, even the you know, the 310 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:34.079 warm up match, same thing. If they didn't, you know, 311 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.400 they would make those really great matches because they wanted 312 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.359 people ready to go. They wanted that energy. They didn't 313 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.519 want it to have to start once we hit air. 314 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:46.880 They wanted it to have already started. And uh yeah, 315 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:51.079 and Vince, I remember that vividly. And I also remember 316 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.480 him always saying nothing can go wrong, and I love 317 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:58.359 that about the way he went into it. Now we 318 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:03.799 all knew that things wrong, of course, but the philosophy 319 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.039 of it that that, and I've carried it in me 320 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:11.200 to this day that it just makes you always prepared, 321 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.200 that that you you know it's in the back there 322 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.960 that some something wild can happen, and what are you 323 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.039 gonna do? And I've tried to pass this on to 324 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.640 other people that I've worked with. You know, I like 325 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.319 stupid things that you know, like you're doing a live shot, 326 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:31.720 which I've done thousands of them, and I've always been 327 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.440 old school. I would have still even back then, I 328 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.160 would have notes, but I'd like do bullet points on 329 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.319 a on a legal pad and have them in front 330 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.039 of me in case everything just blew up. I still 331 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.160 knew that I had somewhere to go, and that philosophy 332 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.559 came from Vince McMahon, that nothing can go wrong if 333 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.279 you always have that in your brain. You're not just 334 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.160 gonna go ah and run off camera. You know you're 335 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.599 gonna figure it out. And so, uh, you know that 336 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:01.319 was always part of those events. But yes, absolutely that 337 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.960 that energy wanted, that energy level that the second you 338 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.799 hit second you hit it. If you're at home and 339 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:07.599 you're sitting in the living room, you're going God, I 340 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:08.440 wish I was there. 341 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.799 It was all again when Tino Santiina comes down first 342 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.759 and his music hits, the crowd of erupts like they're 343 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.240 not they're interested in the El Manador character. I know 344 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.160 some people say, oh, I don't like that version of Tito. 345 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:20.799 I love all versions of Tito. 346 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:23.799 I do too. And it also put him over big time, 347 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:25.319 more than any other time. 348 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:26.079 He gave a character. 349 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.920 He was no longer the force gear from nineteen eighty eight, 350 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.160 like he finally had something going on for himself, and 351 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.079 you know, he wasn't any champion. 352 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:38.880 And I love I loved Tito. I love today. And 353 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:42.599 I was so happy when I was at WrestleMania last year, 354 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.519 I got to see him and he you know, he 355 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:47.559 hasn't changed a bit and it's so down to earth 356 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.000 and so I was very happy to see him in 357 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.480 a match like this. And it shows you the trust 358 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.240 that Vince had at him, because you know, they at 359 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.119 this point, Sean's going to have a solo care and 360 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.039 they are very excited about it. They feel like he's 361 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.000 can definitely pull it off. But when you're going to 362 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.200 go out there and this was really, you know, one 363 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.559 of the first big matches that he would have that 364 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.720 they would trust to have Tito Santana out there, an 365 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.279 incredible professional and was going to make it a good match. 366 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.920 And uh and and that Sean would have that confidence 367 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:27.160 out there having somebody like that, a seasoned veteran who 368 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.960 was going to take care of him, and Tito did. 369 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.799 Heah a fun fact too. It's the next pay per 370 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.319 review Summerson ninety two. Shaw Michaels takes on Rick the 371 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.640 Model Martelle, both Strike Force members. 372 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:38.519 He fights back on back to back pay per views. 373 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.599 By the end of the year, shaw Michaels is the 374 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.079 Intercontinental Champion, taking on Brett Hart, who is the world 375 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.839 champion at Survivors Series nineteen ninety two. So that's just 376 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.039 only two pay per views away, which is great to see. 377 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.200 But moving on Undertaker versus Jake the Snake Roberts, we 378 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.640 don't know the Undertaker's streak exists yet. He only beat 379 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.519 Jimmy Snooker at Usmania seven, but he's not always fighting 380 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.279 Jake the Snake Roberts, who is one of my favorites 381 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.200 going into this pew But unfortunately this is the last 382 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.160 time we see Jake until nineteen ninety six. To snick, 383 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:09.920 Roberts wanted to transition into being backstage creative booking. Pat 384 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:14.400 Pattinson recently left the WWF for uh, they say, personal reasons, 385 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.039 but if you go online, it's there's a lot of deep, deep, 386 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.319 deep stuff going on right here. 387 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.960 Oh yeah, yeah, that's another conversation something. 388 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.359 That's a two hour podcast. 389 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:24.160 Yeah. 390 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.279 Because vincick Man denied the request for Jake to take 391 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:31.160 over Pat Pattinson's position in the committee for doing Creative Well, 392 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.960 Jake is pissed off. He demands his release. Visc Man says, 393 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:36.640 you know, I can't do that like you. Jake the 394 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.839 Snake Robberts like, we can just let you go. Well, 395 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:44.279 Vincick finally agreed under pressure, finally you can leave after 396 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:45.640 your Estumantia eight match. 397 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.200 So as soon as Jake the Snake Roberts leaves this match, 398 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:49.319 he's done. 399 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:52.680 He leaves, but he honors the tradition of putting over 400 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.680 talent when you leave a territory, and Jake puts over 401 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.279