Speaker 1: It's not them. I so fantasy sat in the ritial
Speaker 1: history the gold and tell me you.
Speaker 2: To Warrior returning game for WrestleMania eight. How you doing, mister.
Speaker 3: Mooney doing great? And I'm ready to talk about this
Speaker 3: one because there was a lot happening with the WWE
Speaker 3: then and bringing back a lot of memories, taking a
Speaker 3: look at some of these action that took place in
Speaker 3: the ring.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be crazy because one of these big rumors
Speaker 4: about this event was when the Ultimate Warrior did return,
Speaker 4: it wasn't him because he was so small, And that
Speaker 4: was the schoolyard rumor for a long time.
Speaker 2: Was did you see the Ultimate Warrior died and.
Speaker 4: They replaced them with someone else to play the Uliman Warrior?
Speaker 2: Did you me hear that? Weird rumor? Because the Internet
Speaker 2: was not a thing in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, But and I was going to talk about this.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember when this was nineteen ninety two, and
Speaker 3: you know, the all the you know, these steroid controversy
Speaker 3: was really at you know, it was starting to reach
Speaker 3: peak proportions here and you'll see in the match with
Speaker 3: Rick Flair, Macho Man is in going through that phase
Speaker 3: where he's wearing the Spandex shirts, and I do believe
Speaker 3: there was a reason for that, and and a lot
Speaker 3: of these guys. So yeah, the it was a kind
Speaker 3: of right before our eyes, seeing what happens when you
Speaker 3: can't have a little help, shall we say.
Speaker 4: Just a little I remember that story with mister Perfitt
Speaker 4: going to put a needle in the war learning.
Speaker 3: There you go, You're good, You're all filled up.
Speaker 2: So possibly that's what's happen here.
Speaker 4: But that's a good topic to bring up because when
Speaker 4: you see Warriors show up and nobody sees him. His
Speaker 4: hair is this short, he has no muscle mass whatsoever,
Speaker 4: he has different makeup on. It's very bizarre because you're
Speaker 4: right in the steroid trial. It's coming, and steroids are
Speaker 4: a big deal in the WWF right now, But Hogan's
Speaker 4: leaving this wrestling Unia is advertised as being Cogan's possible
Speaker 4: last match. Now, when you were gearing up for this,
Speaker 4: when you were working for the company, what was the
Speaker 4: real reason you.
Speaker 2: Think Hoke Cogan was leaving steroids?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it was just everything that was
Speaker 3: going on, and he really believed that he was going
Speaker 3: to you go on to bigger and better, I think,
Speaker 3: But as we know, you know, Terry also knew deep
Speaker 3: down how much that company needed him. And I think
Speaker 3: he always believed that no matter what happened, I can
Speaker 3: still just pick up that phone, which we saw, you
Speaker 3: know it It was, you know, very true. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just there was a lot happening that besides the
Speaker 3: steroids and everything, you know, with people questioning Hulco Mania
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. You know that the whole
Speaker 3: thing about eat your vitamins and all this and and
Speaker 3: Hulkamania was starting to wane a little bit start to
Speaker 3: wear on people. And I think in some sense that
Speaker 3: you know, because it's kind of the old wrestling adage
Speaker 3: that you know, you build a certain storyline to a
Speaker 3: peak and then you go away and they miss you.
Speaker 3: How can I miss you if you don't go away?
Speaker 3: So I think that you know that that had a
Speaker 3: little something to do with it as well. But I
Speaker 3: think the the overriding factor though, for for hul Cogan
Speaker 3: was that he really believed that there was going to
Speaker 3: be a next level to his career.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up.
Speaker 3: You would always have wrestling, You'd always have wrestling.
Speaker 2: He always, Yeah, he definitely picked up that phone multiple
Speaker 2: times throughout his career. But oh, that's true. Yeah, Wrestling
Speaker 2: nine is a big indication of this. The territories.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy you brought that up because everyone always
Speaker 4: brings up the question of like why did business go down?
Speaker 2: Why did Hull Comania end? And you just said it perfectly.
Speaker 4: Where you have a storyline, it ends, you leave the territory,
Speaker 4: you go to another territory, you do a kind of
Speaker 4: a different storyline, you leave that one, you keep going.
Speaker 4: The WWF is really the first time to prove that
Speaker 4: there's a company that is lasting beyond territories. We have
Speaker 4: steady characters that we have been introduced for seven years
Speaker 4: of Hull Comania. This is the first time and I
Speaker 4: think in ever did we see wrestlers stick around in
Speaker 4: a spot longer than just a small storyline or a
Speaker 4: period Like do you feel like maybe that's why the
Speaker 4: business goes down because we don't have fresh audience, We
Speaker 4: don't have fresh characters because we've had the same ones
Speaker 4: for the past decade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that was all part of you know,
Speaker 3: and Vince had realized earlier on that he was going
Speaker 3: to have to be able to find talent that could
Speaker 3: replace Hulkamania. But you know, think about it though, as
Speaker 3: you just said, I mean it was actually more than
Speaker 3: seven years at this point that Hulkamania had been running wild.
Speaker 3: And and to see that because you know, somebody of
Speaker 3: you know that how giant he was, I mean, it
Speaker 3: just shows how crazy it was and and the fact
Speaker 3: that he was able to make it last that long
Speaker 3: without having to have some major you know, evolvement or
Speaker 3: becoming something else. And it really did prove that, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a different world. They really was about the
Speaker 3: sports entertainment a whole different level from what they've been
Speaker 3: used to, because, as you said, with the territories, you
Speaker 3: would have guys go in there, big names, very recognizable.
Speaker 3: You know, Andre was one of them. You know, all
Speaker 3: these Sammartino and you know, all these guys that were
Speaker 3: huge stars. But they would get they'd run these storylines
Speaker 3: and then it would get kind of stale, and they
Speaker 3: would they would territories would you know, exchange talent and
Speaker 3: it would give them a chance to go somewhere new,
Speaker 3: make new money. Because of course everything was based on
Speaker 3: gates and so you know, you go there, do this
Speaker 3: new territory, and that's how these guys got known across
Speaker 3: the country. They wouldn't if they stayed in that one
Speaker 3: area all the time. And some there were some that did,
Speaker 3: but you know, some of the bigger names, the champions,
Speaker 3: they would exchange guys and be able to keep it fresh.
Speaker 3: But the WWE was really and I'm sure that a
Speaker 3: lot of those guys that ran those territories said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: we'll see how long this lasts, because how's he going
Speaker 3: to be able to do this because it had been
Speaker 3: done the old way for so long and Vince proved
Speaker 3: them all wrong. But at this point it was starting
Speaker 3: to Wayne, as I said, it was starting to fade,
Speaker 3: and he had found new stars. We had, you know,
Speaker 3: the ultimate warrior. We had the macho man Randy Savage,
Speaker 3: who you know, found great success. But until we've seen
Speaker 3: a couple sins. But at that point in time, nobody
Speaker 3: could touch Hulk Hogan and hulk Mania, and that was
Speaker 3: certainly the case. Then the company was not doing well,
Speaker 3: and which is surprising when we start to talk about
Speaker 3: wrestlemaniaate here that they would choose such a large venue,
Speaker 3: the Hoosier Dome, and then because you know, putting sixty
Speaker 3: plus thousand, and we don't know exactly how many of
Speaker 3: those were comps, but still you had to get people
Speaker 3: to show up and be there for it. So it's
Speaker 3: a great testament that they were able to pull that
Speaker 3: off because at the time, you know, business was not great,
Speaker 3: and I remember being in a lot of the house shows.
Speaker 3: You know, we'd go for TV tapings and you know,
Speaker 3: there was a guy named Bob Collins who would he
Speaker 3: was the guy in charge of, you know, the seating,
Speaker 3: and he was a promotions guy, and you talk about
Speaker 3: the hardest job in the business. I mean, he would
Speaker 3: be out there and you know, and these TV tapings
Speaker 3: would go on and on and on, and we'd have
Speaker 3: maybe a few thousand people there sometimes and he would be,
Speaker 3: you know, through the night as people would go home
Speaker 3: because their kids had to go to school that next day,
Speaker 3: begetting people to come and move. Hey, you come on,
Speaker 3: you could sit right up our ring side, you know,
Speaker 3: to try and fill in on the hard side of
Speaker 3: the camera to you know, keep the the the illusion
Speaker 3: alive that there was a that was a very full arena.
Speaker 3: So it was a fraught time for the WWE, no
Speaker 3: doubt about it. Steve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you brought up the gate to where rumors online
Speaker 4: is the announced number of sixty two thousand, one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty seven. Now the rumors is only forty seven
Speaker 4: thousand were actually sold, so fifty are comped. I find
Speaker 4: that shocking to believe that online at least the rumor
Speaker 4: is fifteen thousand people were comped.
Speaker 2: That's an entire arena in some towns.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, no kidding, Uh yeah, I don't think it
Speaker 3: was that many, but I do believe that they did
Speaker 3: have to give away a lot, I mean thousands though,
Speaker 3: to try and you know, fill that place up, no
Speaker 3: doubt about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the territory thing before we before we move on
Speaker 4: from territories, though, I do want to bring up like
Speaker 4: Vince Man would find talent from other places, you know,
Speaker 4: Awa or NWA, and you'd have million dollar man come
Speaker 4: in and Hacksaw Jim dug in and H'll Billy Jim.
Speaker 2: All these people came from somewhere else first.
Speaker 4: And so now all the territories have closed, the Vince
Speaker 4: put them out of business. Now there's nowhere to pluck
Speaker 4: the best talent from anywhere because there's nobody left except
Speaker 4: for your competition, which is n WA slash WCW. Is
Speaker 4: that really you think a problem for creating new superstars
Speaker 4: because now there's nowhere to go to get them, So
Speaker 4: how do you create them out of thin air?
Speaker 3: Well? And then also keep in mind that now they're
Speaker 3: going places in uh, getting guaranteed money, uh and also
Speaker 3: not having to do the grind that you had to
Speaker 3: have to do with the w w E. And uh.
Speaker 3: You know, as I said, the w w E at
Speaker 3: the time had lost its luster a bit, and so
Speaker 3: it wasn't the you know, the emerald on top of
Speaker 3: the mountain there that you just wanted to necessarily go.
Speaker 3: Now they had now they had other options and uh
Speaker 3: and in a sense, you know, preferred to go somewhere
Speaker 3: else because they just felt they weren't getting treated fairly
Speaker 3: where they were, as we'll talk about. You know, Jake
Speaker 3: was certainly in that situation. Yeah, and you know, so
Speaker 3: so for the first time, these guys had had other
Speaker 3: options and leverage, which Vince McMahon was not used to.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just imagine you're the you're this
Speaker 3: guy that's toileting the AWA and you're mid South or
Speaker 3: and then you get that phone call from Vince McMahon.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, and we're gonna say, you know, we've
Speaker 3: got a ticket for you, come on up here. You
Speaker 3: get the limos waiting for you at the airport. It
Speaker 3: was a done deal before the guy got off the phone.
Speaker 3: But this wasn't necessarily the case. And then in house,
Speaker 3: you've got all that's going on too. You got the
Speaker 3: stirrings of these guys who are like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: you know, you seeing these other guys go other places
Speaker 3: to getting money. They're not having to be on the
Speaker 3: road and be away from their family for all this time.
Speaker 3: And you we'd seen where you know, like Jesse had
Speaker 3: tried to organize these guys and man, they shut that
Speaker 3: down right away. And I think these guys really felt
Speaker 3: like they they weren't being represented. They were chattel in
Speaker 3: a way to these guys that you know you and
Speaker 3: it certainly is the nature of the business. But if
Speaker 3: I'm going to do that, pay me.
Speaker 2: Yep, especially now too.
Speaker 4: And I love though in wrestling because celebrities have always
Speaker 4: been involved with WrestleMania. So we have Ruba McIntyre starting
Speaker 4: off the show. But Bobby Heenan on Commentary's bringing up
Speaker 4: out Reba must be related to Tito Santana because he.
Speaker 3: Says, oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2: Will you stop?
Speaker 3: A GIRLA says, and anybody else you would have been,
Speaker 3: you would have it would have been such a groaner.
Speaker 3: But with Bobby the way he delivers that stuff, like
Speaker 3: way you stop, it was absolutely.
Speaker 2: It was so rigging funny.
Speaker 4: But the first matchup of Wressemania eight is Sean Michaels
Speaker 4: versus Tito Santana. Originally it's supposed to be Sean Michaels
Speaker 4: Marty Jeannetti the Rock and broke up in early January,
Speaker 4: but we talked about on our Royal Rumble nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: two show where Marty gets in trouble with the law,
Speaker 4: So that means he's not here at this event now.
Speaker 4: Jenny Jenny was arrested in Tampa for interfering with a
Speaker 4: police officer while he's underage companion tried to enter a
Speaker 4: nightclub with a fake ID. Oh, by the way, he
Speaker 4: was also found with less than one gram of cocaine
Speaker 4: on him. Yeah, Marty, buddy, that's a lot of bad
Speaker 4: decisions all.
Speaker 2: In one night.
Speaker 3: That's why he was never known as Marty the Brain. Janetty.
Speaker 3: So many things wrong there before I go out that night, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my underage girlfriend first, let me ch let.
Speaker 3: Me check her id like how old are you? Which
Speaker 3: I don't think would have really mattered at the time.
Speaker 3: It was a different, different world, but goodness, and I
Speaker 3: don't know how old she was, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, did she have a driver's license?
Speaker 4: And you show up to the club and brain to
Speaker 4: get into a plus that's a problem exactly.
Speaker 3: Uh, and then you know it, I would think, And
Speaker 3: and then you get involved in a confrontation not just
Speaker 3: with it's not like some doorman, it's it's it's an officer.
Speaker 3: Uh maybe it was an off duty cop work in
Speaker 3: the door. I don't know, but whatever, that's even that
Speaker 3: is just wrong. And then you've got cocaine on you too,
Speaker 3: Like how bad do I wanta f up? You know
Speaker 3: that I've got one of the greatest jobs in the world.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer they're gonna keep me around,
Speaker 3: but I know this is a good angle, so I
Speaker 3: could probably get, you know, a good run out of this.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm just gonna throw it in the trash
Speaker 3: heap in one night and make it. Boy, Am I
Speaker 3: gonna make it good? Uh?
Speaker 1: Big?
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, I mean he could have ended up
Speaker 3: in jail for months. They could have thrown the book
Speaker 3: at it. I'm sure that you know that lawyers got
Speaker 3: involved and it wasn't necessarily that they were being compassionate,
Speaker 3: but it was he makes the company look bad. So
Speaker 3: I think he got a suspended sentence in house arrests
Speaker 3: or something like that. But what can you say? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and time and time again, it wasn't like he hadn't
Speaker 3: been given chances and just didn't learn and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's we've had We've had this discussion before, Steve
Speaker 3: that how talented I thought that Marty Jeanetti was just
Speaker 3: I felt he was, you know, certainly on the same
Speaker 3: level of Sean, maybe even better initially, and and it
Speaker 3: just the demons got him and he because there's no
Speaker 3: reason why he couldn't be a legend and helping guys
Speaker 3: in the WWE become great superstars instead of being kind
Speaker 3: of an afterthought of what could have been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have Sean Michael's training XC wrestlers, the future
Speaker 4: of the W of Marginetti doing Mary Jetty things, and
Speaker 4: it's it's sad that this happened. But Seawn Michael is
Speaker 4: this is he starts off Russemania eight in the match
Speaker 4: trust Me and not he actually kicks off that event
Speaker 4: as well, where he was also supposed to fight marjor Ennny,
Speaker 4: but Marjornni got in trouble.
Speaker 2: Again, so we fought to Tanka at that event.
Speaker 4: So it's just not a it's not working out for
Speaker 4: Marty anytime soon, but for you in the time the
Speaker 4: w WF. Do you ever hear how the first match
Speaker 4: of any event was very important to get the audience
Speaker 4: into it or is that just a wise tale like
Speaker 4: we've heard of the year.
Speaker 3: No? No, no, that was always a philosophy. And I
Speaker 3: remember in those meetings, because you know, we would have
Speaker 3: these every all hands on deck, we have these meetings.
Speaker 3: Everybody was there that was involved with anything that was
Speaker 3: going on, and that was very organized, and I just
Speaker 3: always remember Vince talking about that's the second those you know,
Speaker 3: that's you know, the whole thing where they would jack
Speaker 3: the audience up and Howard would go out there and
Speaker 3: count him down and so they'd pop when we hit
Speaker 3: and uh and and part of that, you know, some
Speaker 3: of them like it might be a dark match coming in.
Speaker 3: But no matter what it was, first match that was
Speaker 3: on the pay per view, even the you know, the
Speaker 3: warm up match, same thing. If they didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: they would make those really great matches because they wanted
Speaker 3: people ready to go. They wanted that energy. They didn't
Speaker 3: want it to have to start once we hit air.
Speaker 3: They wanted it to have already started. And uh yeah,
Speaker 3: and Vince, I remember that vividly. And I also remember
Speaker 3: him always saying nothing can go wrong, and I love
Speaker 3: that about the way he went into it. Now we
Speaker 3: all knew that things wrong, of course, but the philosophy
Speaker 3: of it that that, and I've carried it in me
Speaker 3: to this day that it just makes you always prepared,
Speaker 3: that that you you know it's in the back there
Speaker 3: that some something wild can happen, and what are you
Speaker 3: gonna do? And I've tried to pass this on to
Speaker 3: other people that I've worked with. You know, I like
Speaker 3: stupid things that you know, like you're doing a live shot,
Speaker 3: which I've done thousands of them, and I've always been
Speaker 3: old school. I would have still even back then, I
Speaker 3: would have notes, but I'd like do bullet points on
Speaker 3: a on a legal pad and have them in front
Speaker 3: of me in case everything just blew up. I still
Speaker 3: knew that I had somewhere to go, and that philosophy
Speaker 3: came from Vince McMahon, that nothing can go wrong if
Speaker 3: you always have that in your brain. You're not just
Speaker 3: gonna go ah and run off camera. You know you're
Speaker 3: gonna figure it out. And so, uh, you know that
Speaker 3: was always part of those events. But yes, absolutely that
Speaker 3: that energy wanted, that energy level that the second you
Speaker 3: hit second you hit it. If you're at home and
Speaker 3: you're sitting in the living room, you're going God, I
Speaker 3: wish I was there.
Speaker 4: It was all again when Tino Santiina comes down first
Speaker 4: and his music hits, the crowd of erupts like they're
Speaker 4: not they're interested in the El Manador character. I know
Speaker 4: some people say, oh, I don't like that version of Tito.
Speaker 4: I love all versions of Tito.
Speaker 3: I do too. And it also put him over big time,
Speaker 3: more than any other time.
Speaker 2: He gave a character.
Speaker 4: He was no longer the force gear from nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 4: like he finally had something going on for himself, and
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't any champion.
Speaker 3: And I love I loved Tito. I love today. And
Speaker 3: I was so happy when I was at WrestleMania last year,
Speaker 3: I got to see him and he you know, he
Speaker 3: hasn't changed a bit and it's so down to earth
Speaker 3: and so I was very happy to see him in
Speaker 3: a match like this. And it shows you the trust
Speaker 3: that Vince had at him, because you know, they at
Speaker 3: this point, Sean's going to have a solo care and
Speaker 3: they are very excited about it. They feel like he's
Speaker 3: can definitely pull it off. But when you're going to
Speaker 3: go out there and this was really, you know, one
Speaker 3: of the first big matches that he would have that
Speaker 3: they would trust to have Tito Santana out there, an
Speaker 3: incredible professional and was going to make it a good match.
Speaker 3: And uh and and that Sean would have that confidence
Speaker 3: out there having somebody like that, a seasoned veteran who
Speaker 3: was going to take care of him, and Tito did.
Speaker 4: Heah a fun fact too. It's the next pay per
Speaker 4: review Summerson ninety two. Shaw Michaels takes on Rick the
Speaker 4: Model Martelle, both Strike Force members.
Speaker 2: He fights back on back to back pay per views.
Speaker 4: By the end of the year, shaw Michaels is the
Speaker 4: Intercontinental Champion, taking on Brett Hart, who is the world
Speaker 4: champion at Survivors Series nineteen ninety two. So that's just
Speaker 4: only two pay per views away, which is great to see.
Speaker 4: But moving on Undertaker versus Jake the Snake Roberts, we
Speaker 4: don't know the Undertaker's streak exists yet. He only beat
Speaker 4: Jimmy Snooker at Usmania seven, but he's not always fighting
Speaker 4: Jake the Snake Roberts, who is one of my favorites
Speaker 4: going into this pew But unfortunately this is the last
Speaker 4: time we see Jake until nineteen ninety six. To snick,
Speaker 4: Roberts wanted to transition into being backstage creative booking. Pat
Speaker 4: Pattinson recently left the WWF for uh, they say, personal reasons,
Speaker 4: but if you go online, it's there's a lot of deep, deep,
Speaker 4: deep stuff going on right here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's another conversation something.
Speaker 2: That's a two hour podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Because vincick Man denied the request for Jake to take
Speaker 4: over Pat Pattinson's position in the committee for doing Creative Well,
Speaker 4: Jake is pissed off. He demands his release. Visc Man says,
Speaker 4: you know, I can't do that like you. Jake the
Speaker 4: Snake Robberts like, we can just let you go. Well,
Speaker 4: Vincick finally agreed under pressure, finally you can leave after
Speaker 4: your Estumantia eight match.
Speaker 2: So as soon as Jake the Snake Roberts leaves this match,
Speaker 2: he's done.
Speaker 4: He leaves, but he honors the tradition of putting over
Speaker 4: talent when you leave a territory, and Jake puts over
Speaker 4: on a taker clean not just one tombstone on the
Speaker 4: outside of the ring, but then on the inside of
Speaker 4: this ring as well. Man talk about a sad moment
Speaker 4: for me. It was very upsetting to see Jake lee.
Speaker 4: For you in the company where you shocked that Jake
Speaker 4: to Snake Roberts, he wanted something so bad that he
Speaker 4: put his foot down and he's.
Speaker 3: Gone, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Because you know, Jake was one
Speaker 3: of the best, There's no question about it. We've discussed
Speaker 3: his ability in front of a camera, which I think
Speaker 3: is you know, as far as promos go, he's top
Speaker 3: five in my world. Yeah, and he was such a
Speaker 3: talented performer and did you know, and I don't you
Speaker 3: know where he's He's another example of those guys that
Speaker 3: you wouldn't expect him to be so good his physique
Speaker 3: wasn't tremendous. He had these you know, the guys used
Speaker 3: to make fun of his arms, you know.
Speaker 2: Was on steroids. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: No, he didn't, and lived a you know, hard life
Speaker 3: outside of the ring. But boy did that guy deliver
Speaker 3: every time he stepped into it. And uh and it's
Speaker 3: kind of a shame that, you know, back then, that
Speaker 3: they didn't take advantage of his booking ability, let's call it,
Speaker 3: because you know, he he'd grown up in it and
Speaker 3: and was really good about coming up with stuff to
Speaker 3: make things work. And and I think he would have
Speaker 3: been a really great booker. H So, I don't really
Speaker 3: know why. I mean, okay, so Vince thinks Pat's coming back, fine,
Speaker 3: but why not add to the Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you see the writer. You know that at some point,
Speaker 3: I don't know how many writers they had, but basically
Speaker 3: that was that triumvirate and and and Bruce was gone
Speaker 3: at the time, if I recall correctly, and and uh so,
Speaker 3: I would have thought that you need all the help
Speaker 3: you can get. And then you've got somebody who know
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with with Randy where they put
Speaker 3: him in the broadcast booth. But you know, Jake could
Speaker 3: have been all of that and also been I think
Speaker 3: a really good booker. Now you don't know that until
Speaker 3: they get down to actually doing the job. And I
Speaker 3: know that, you know, Ted DIBIASI has told me that
Speaker 3: he'd also been approached about doing things like that, and
Speaker 3: he said, for me, I could do everything. I could,
Speaker 3: everything I could work out, I could you know, storylines
Speaker 3: whatever that. He goes, But trying to do it for
Speaker 3: someone else or doing I was, I was awful at it,
Speaker 3: and he goes, I just knew it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: It was, you know, like trying to play the guitar
Speaker 3: left handed or something, you know, to him. And so
Speaker 3: we don't really know, but to have that come down
Speaker 3: to it, and we've talked about this as well. You
Speaker 3: know the ages of these guys, and I just for
Speaker 3: fun kind of looked up where these guys were age
Speaker 3: wise back then, and you know, most of them their
Speaker 3: late thirties, the big big time stars, I think Flair
Speaker 3: was forty two or forty three, and uh, you know
Speaker 3: at that time.
Speaker 2: You're over the hill, you're a grandpa, like.
Speaker 3: You're still wrestling. Well, we know what that is. Like today,
Speaker 3: and and you know, the physicality and how to remain
Speaker 3: in physical good physical shape has changed. But you know,
Speaker 3: this is where these guys are thinking, okay, I need
Speaker 3: an off ramp. And and maybe some of it was
Speaker 3: because they were tired of it. It was a very
Speaker 3: difficult life to to be on the road and to
Speaker 3: maybe you know, be corporate and get on the jet
Speaker 3: and be you know, and then step into the ring
Speaker 3: once in a while if you had to. That's probably
Speaker 3: a pretty good idea. But it's just funny to me
Speaker 3: to think about where you know that they thought that
Speaker 3: these guys were done, we got we got a couple
Speaker 3: more years out of me. Great and and it's and
Speaker 3: you see the you know, the real changing of the
Speaker 3: guard here. We'll get into it. But when you talked
Speaker 3: about Jake that you know, the Undertaker is only end
Speaker 3: with the company for a very short period of time,
Speaker 3: and look at how he's progressed. And when Jake departs,
Speaker 3: it's the Undertaker who becomes the new locker room leader
Speaker 3: and remains that way for the next few decades, which
Speaker 3: is but he was his progression, his ascension is is
Speaker 3: pretty amazing that when he gets there and he's just
Speaker 3: really basically still in many ways a green kid and
Speaker 3: just catapults too and handles it all very well and
Speaker 3: just keeps getting better and better and better.
Speaker 4: Will be a good point there, because the storyline too
Speaker 4: heading into this event with Jake Undertaker really is because
Speaker 4: of Ultimate Warrior being fired.
Speaker 2: Originally you had.
Speaker 4: Jake teaching Warrior the ways of the dark Side to
Speaker 4: take on Undertaker.
Speaker 2: Well turns out Jake was just turning heel and then.
Speaker 4: Warriors out, well, shit, we're gonna do now, let's go
Speaker 4: fight macho man. Well, we need Untake you to also
Speaker 4: be involved, and Taker turns babyface by Jake just staying
Speaker 4: a bad guy. And it's so strange to think that
Speaker 4: this man who just a year before was ripping the
Speaker 4: cross of of Hultkogan's chest and trying to bury people
Speaker 4: alive in body bags and now he's like, oh people,
Speaker 4: little kids are cheering him instead of crying.
Speaker 3: What a transition, right, Oh my god. Yeah, And there
Speaker 3: was another lesson of you know, characters and they're not
Speaker 3: always what they seem in many ways. And also you
Speaker 3: gotta respect the fans. They're going to tell you how
Speaker 3: they're going to receive this person, and you better listen
Speaker 3: because you know times they would try and force it,
Speaker 3: and and time and time again you'd be reminded that
Speaker 3: that's why they come and that and if you don't
Speaker 3: listen to them, success will not follow you.
Speaker 4: And especially because Jake tries to hit Liz and Macho
Speaker 4: Man with a steel chair backstage, and Taker is the
Speaker 4: one who just shows up at a nowhere grabbing the
Speaker 4: steel chair stopping.
Speaker 2: Wow, he's saved a woman. He's saved mister.
Speaker 4: Elizabeth and Macho Man. Oh this is so Yes, I
Speaker 4: will cheer for you. Yes, I will buy your foam tombstones. Yeah,
Speaker 4: those are those are some strange toys. It's just so
Speaker 4: sad that Jake ends up leaving, going to w c
Speaker 4: W having okay, run with staying, even trying to have
Speaker 4: that snake situation happen again, like how he had it
Speaker 4: try to bite Macho Man. Well, this time he's holding
Speaker 4: it and it tries to bite him. It's not biting him,
Speaker 4: he's holding the snake. Oh it's biting me. Not the
Speaker 4: same quality of Macho Man being eaten a lie by
Speaker 4: a king cobra.
Speaker 2: When you put an.
Speaker 3: X very pissed off Cobra.
Speaker 4: Slap a Steak in the face. I don't think it's
Speaker 4: gonna be very happy. So either way, it was just
Speaker 4: sad to see Jake leave and I imagine would take
Speaker 4: care taking over as the locker room leader. Things certainly
Speaker 4: changed backstage four the better possibly. But after that we
Speaker 4: have Breadth the Hitman Heart fighting Roddy Piper for the
Speaker 4: Intercontinental title.
Speaker 2: Remember, Burt Hawk was secretly negotiating.
Speaker 4: With WSW in early ninety one as champion, so they
Speaker 4: had him loose to the Mounty with the mount he loses.
Speaker 2: To Piper, and now we have this match.
Speaker 4: This is known to a lot of wrestling fans as
Speaker 4: being one of the greatest matches of all time, especially
Speaker 4: for Brett the Hitman Heart. Before we get into the
Speaker 4: details about blood and all that. For you, we've talked
Speaker 4: about Brett Hart versus British Bulldog being one of your
Speaker 4: favorite matches and one of your favorite events. Where do
Speaker 4: you rank Piper and Brett Hart on this list of
Speaker 4: best Brett Heart matches?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely right up there, Yeah, because they're you know,
Speaker 3: and when I've talked about matches, I always I always
Speaker 3: think of the backstory to them. Yeah, and then also
Speaker 3: what's involved their history, and this was you know, flat
Speaker 3: out a tremendous this match and in a you know,
Speaker 3: a course in uh fan psychology and reacting to crowds
Speaker 3: and just two incredible pros. And also there was this
Speaker 3: connection and Roddy had this way about him because I
Speaker 3: think he was such an fed up child and and
Speaker 3: had you know, this run of where he had no
Speaker 3: idea what he was going to be and and ends
Speaker 3: up in wrestling and all this and always looked out
Speaker 3: for the the underdog I think in a sense. And
Speaker 3: so there was this connection, and he had known, you know,
Speaker 3: uh known the Heart family and strong ties to them.
Speaker 3: There was even rumors that they might have even been
Speaker 3: related because Stu Hart grew up in Saskatoon and so
Speaker 3: so did Roddy. So they would call each other because
Speaker 3: and I you know, Roddy was knew what was going
Speaker 3: on in the business. I think in some ways he
Speaker 3: was privy to you know, what they that they had
Speaker 3: were unsure about Brett, and he was on a mission
Speaker 3: to make this a classic and put this guy over
Speaker 3: like I almost think in some ways Roddy looked at
Speaker 3: it as you know, if this is my last match,
Speaker 3: on Earth. I am going to make this the best
Speaker 3: ever end. I'm going to show everybody how it's done,
Speaker 3: and that it was a masterclass in that you know
Speaker 3: everything about it, just the way they work together. Of course,
Speaker 3: the big thing that stands out and they think a
Speaker 3: lot of people remember was that Roddy had bred in
Speaker 3: a very vulnerable position and he has that the bell
Speaker 3: in his hand. He's thinking about I'm going to take
Speaker 3: him out and he's you know, and it's just god,
Speaker 3: you just feel like he's going to do it. He's
Speaker 3: gonna do it. And then he kind of and he's
Speaker 3: looking and you know, he's hearing the crowd and he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm listening, and then he's gonna do it. And he's
Speaker 3: gonna do it. And then what does he do, you know,
Speaker 3: throws it aside and uh and then Brett comes back
Speaker 3: and then pins him. Just great stuff. And as I said,
Speaker 3: in a whole psychology of it, and uh, it was
Speaker 3: you know, seeing that and I went back a few
Speaker 3: times to look at that, and I just that that
Speaker 3: whole scene with the belt to me, just summed up
Speaker 3: how great Roddy Piper was. You know, the way the
Speaker 3: way he's just he's just he's gonna he's gonna do it,
Speaker 3: got you know, He's gonna do it. And god, he
Speaker 3: just can't get that out of his head. He's like,
Speaker 3: damn it, you know. Yeah. So I mean, overall, yeah,
Speaker 3: did I say enough about this? I love it and
Speaker 3: I love those two, you know. So I'm biased to
Speaker 3: probably in a lot of ways. But I think that,
Speaker 3: as you said, a lot of people agree with this
Speaker 3: that it was it was, you know, a classic match,
Speaker 3: and I think that would have been the match of
Speaker 3: the night. But I also think that the Flair Savage
Speaker 3: one was tremendous too, turned out to be what I
Speaker 3: didn't think was going to be a great WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: It's actually my first ever wrestlmating I watched as a child,
Speaker 4: so I I really have a heart on a soft.
Speaker 2: Spot for this event.
Speaker 4: Before this match even starts, though, Brett Hart and Ronny
Speaker 4: Piper are backstage talking about their history with each other,
Speaker 4: and Piper's like, you got your mother in my room,
Speaker 4: make you on the slappist OLOGI as the maloona. You
Speaker 4: didn't like Malonea And he's just going through.
Speaker 2: This poopy diapers, poopy dippy.
Speaker 4: They walk around pooping and Brett is trying to sit
Speaker 4: there like shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: And did you notice I don't if you pick it up.
Speaker 3: And these are these subtle things that I loved about Roddy.
Speaker 3: As they get going, you know, Jean's getting the interview going,
Speaker 3: and you see Roddy who's getting getting up on his
Speaker 3: toes to show he's he's taller than Brett. I mean
Speaker 3: that's like you go back, folks and look at that,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna see at the beginning of that that
Speaker 3: he's he stays up. You know, he's got he gets
Speaker 3: up on his toes, so he's gonna be high. You know,
Speaker 3: he's gonna be taller than Brett Hart. And they're not
Speaker 3: necessarily they were pretty much the same, hut. But I
Speaker 3: just see that's just like one of those subtle things
Speaker 3: that uh, you know, just showed that these that he
Speaker 3: picked up to show like this dominance. It's it was,
Speaker 3: you know, the pack mentality in a sense, I'm the
Speaker 3: bigger dog here. Uh just classic, just classic.
Speaker 2: The visual.
Speaker 4: Two, when you hear Brettart's music, you don't really see
Speaker 4: the entrance that much like you see wide shots of
Speaker 4: it through the throughout the night at the beginning, but
Speaker 4: when Brett Hart comes out, there's this huge long shot
Speaker 4: of Brett walking down and you notice, damn, that is.
Speaker 2: A long long way to walk to the ring.
Speaker 4: At the rest of me to give you a little
Speaker 4: like these little rings to get to the ring, because
Speaker 4: it's such a long way to go, Brett walks and
Speaker 4: I'll never forget that moment of just seeing Brett Hart
Speaker 4: his like smooth other jacket slapping hands.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a nice visual for me personally.
Speaker 4: But in this matchup, the finish is quite one of
Speaker 4: the most original moments that we have seen duplicated over
Speaker 4: the years. Piper has a sleeper hold on Brett Hart.
Speaker 4: This is his finish year like it's over. Brett Hart
Speaker 4: cannot win this, but Brett kicks up the turn buckles
Speaker 4: one two three, kicks himself backwards over Piper, but Piper
Speaker 4: stills a sleeper hold on him.
Speaker 2: One two three.
Speaker 4: Piper accidentally pins himself with Berhart's body out of them,
Speaker 4: and that was.
Speaker 2: One of the most genius moves ever.
Speaker 4: They didn't use that again until nineteen ninety six at
Speaker 4: Survivor series, when Stone Coast Lawson took on Brett Hart
Speaker 4: at the Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: It's like they held that.
Speaker 4: Brett held that one in for years because we know
Speaker 4: Brett is a perfectionist and he doesn't want to reuse things.
Speaker 2: He didn't reuse it for four years.
Speaker 4: Like it's a it's an astonishing finisher, but there's blood
Speaker 4: in this matchup. Brett Hart accidentally gets busted open in
Speaker 4: this matchup, and it makes everything even more intense, especially
Speaker 4: that belt moment you're talking about where he's gonna hit
Speaker 4: him with that bell, like is he not? By Brett's
Speaker 4: on the ground, he's bleeding, and it's it's a moment.
Speaker 4: But Bert Bert Harkin vinced Vince McMahon it was an accident.
Speaker 2: He didn't actually bleede. He really got busted open the
Speaker 2: hard way.
Speaker 4: Now do you think Vince believed him or Vince was like, God, damn, that.
Speaker 1: Was so good.
Speaker 2: I'll pretend that I'll believe you're lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the latter. And I felt that
Speaker 3: way about when that happened. All that. You know that
Speaker 3: that that Vince so he couldn't it had to be
Speaker 3: an edict in within the company because then everybody would
Speaker 3: be doing it. So it was like this, you know,
Speaker 3: no blood, no, but you know, these guys had been
Speaker 3: around long enough, and Brett, as you said, was this
Speaker 3: perfectionist and knew that this what it would add to
Speaker 3: this match and felt it was necessary. And I think that, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: like Vince was not an idiot. He knew and as
Speaker 3: we saw apparently you know, Brett didn't talk to to
Speaker 3: Rick because we got to see a little more color
Speaker 3: later on. But yeah, Vince absolutely knew. There's no accidents
Speaker 3: out there really these guys, and especially when you have blood.
Speaker 3: And so it was definitely that I felt that Vince
Speaker 3: knew what they did, but he had to play along
Speaker 3: say all right, it was accident. Sure, and as we saw,
Speaker 3: you know later in that matchup with the Flar and Savage,
Speaker 3: they felt it was necessary too, which it did add
Speaker 3: a lot to that. But you couldn't have every you
Speaker 3: couldn't have this open thing for open wounds on a
Speaker 3: regular basis, because then it gets there's nothing special about it,
Speaker 3: and when it happen, because they would say that, you know,
Speaker 3: you'd hear it in the dirt sheets and all this
Speaker 3: other thing. Let's say they made it public and saying
Speaker 3: nobody's allowed to cut themselves, but you know, it was
Speaker 3: this kind of this out there that you know that
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to do that. So when it would happen,
Speaker 3: people would really pop because they're thinking, you know, whether
Speaker 3: not Vince knew it or not, but you know it's like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe you know, maybe it was an accident, maybe you
Speaker 3: know he really bashed him into those metal steps or
Speaker 3: you know, so you had that out there. So the
Speaker 3: answer to the question, of course, as I go on
Speaker 3: and on, is that, yeah, I think I think Vince
Speaker 3: knew it, but you know, everything had to be an
Speaker 3: example to everybody else, so you know, it's kind of
Speaker 3: that message of don't don't even think about it because
Speaker 3: you know, we'll let it slide this time. But boy
Speaker 3: not not not ever again.
Speaker 4: This is funny, like not ever again. And then two
Speaker 4: matches later like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember thinking that night going on, but they didn't
Speaker 3: talk to each other.
Speaker 4: You know, well because if he told them that, if
Speaker 4: if each one told each other, they're gonna break the
Speaker 4: rules and they tell a friend, they tell a friend
Speaker 4: and something events like are you you're all gonna bla tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm sure there was a little meeting afterwards, Uh,
Speaker 3: with the agents and every were like, guys, really, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: one maybe two. Then we're starting to think that nobody's
Speaker 3: listening to us.
Speaker 4: So it's so funny about like not talking because I
Speaker 4: remember seeing some matches or even wear rumbles where it's like,
Speaker 4: all right, I be wear blue tights, I wear blue boots.
Speaker 4: Who am I fighting this guy? He's also wearing blue
Speaker 4: tights and blue boots. Like, did you guys not talk
Speaker 4: before this match? You guys look exactly the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, but my mind saying are on the
Speaker 2: bottom line. See, it's different.
Speaker 3: We got spangles, he has no spangles.
Speaker 2: It's different, Like, no, you look exactly the same.
Speaker 4: I'm just happy we talked about this matchup because it
Speaker 4: seemed like the past, like ten fifteen years, everyone's discovered
Speaker 4: with Rodney Piper versus Brett Heart match for a long time.
Speaker 2: You're just told that these, certainly, these.
Speaker 4: Certain WrestleMania moments are the ones you're supposed to look at,
Speaker 4: you know, Warrior in Hogan or Wrestmania one or Sew
Speaker 4: Michael's jumping off a loat of wrest Mania ten, like
Speaker 4: these are the moments.
Speaker 2: You're told these are WrestleMania moments like see this.
Speaker 4: No, I think Brett Hart versus Roddy Piper is one
Speaker 4: of those matches where like it for a long time
Speaker 4: was forgotten about because just it wasn't brought up on WWTV.
Speaker 4: You have to go find it yourself, and I'm glad
Speaker 4: people have found it. And but next up is this
Speaker 4: eight man match. I really want to break down for
Speaker 4: a second. It's Big Boss Man Virgil Sartin Slaughter and
Speaker 4: Hacksaw Jim Duggan taking on the Nasty Boys, the Monty
Speaker 4: and the Repo Man.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but like last year, Sartin
Speaker 4: Slaughter was in the main event of WrestleMania seven. Now
Speaker 4: he's in a four on four match at WrestleMania eight.
Speaker 4: How do you think Slaughter felt about going from main
Speaker 4: eventing world as world champion to being in the mid
Speaker 4: card four and four.
Speaker 3: Match, knowing Bob that he was happy to be there? Okay, No,
Speaker 3: I honestly I think that. And uh I just heard
Speaker 3: from Serge. Uh. I'll have to tell you about it
Speaker 3: off of camera, but I love Sarge and anyway, Uh,
Speaker 3: you have to know Sergeant Slaughter and and think about
Speaker 3: what you know, Bob came from the beginnings of wrestling really,
Speaker 3: you know, during the time of the territories and making
Speaker 3: nothing and uh, you know, reaching these heights that he
Speaker 3: did is with the G I. Joe stuff and peaks
Speaker 3: and valleys. But you know, he's he was always appreciative
Speaker 3: of everything. Now that that's not saying he wouldn't stand
Speaker 3: up for himself, which he did and you know, right
Speaker 3: with you know business, but he'd had you know, tremendous
Speaker 3: run and it's kind of I cook, where do we
Speaker 3: go with him right now? And but he's still on
Speaker 3: that stage, So uh, sure do you want to be
Speaker 3: in an eight man tag team match? Not necessarily, but
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're still getting the call, You're still
Speaker 3: part of this. So you know, sure, would you have
Speaker 3: liked to Ben in a more marquee matchup, Absolutely, But
Speaker 3: I think that that he's you know, you're you're thinking,
Speaker 3: I'm still in the mix, and uh and who knows
Speaker 3: what's ahead and so uh, you know, I don't ever
Speaker 3: remember hearing any complaints about that at the time. And
Speaker 3: you're you're part of WrestleMania. A lot of guys that
Speaker 3: didn't get this shot, and that were on the roster.
Speaker 2: Good point. Okay, it's just funny, not really funny.
Speaker 4: It's just more weird that a year ago, Big Boss
Speaker 4: Man's party for the Interconninal title at rest Media seven.
Speaker 4: Virgils fighting for the million Dollar Championship rus Media seven.
Speaker 4: So I'm slat is the main event, Haxo Jadugan, I'm
Speaker 4: not rasing it on that car. Nasty Boys win the
Speaker 4: tag team titles at rest Media seven.
Speaker 2: The Mounty is just in a filler match. Repo Man is.
Speaker 4: Not a character because he's still in Demolition and Smash.
Speaker 2: It's just what a the golden hour of wrestling.
Speaker 4: These eight characters are a big part of it in
Speaker 4: different aspects, in different positions and different people. It's just
Speaker 4: weird to see how all eight are now in some
Speaker 4: ivisaries match at WRESTLINGIU Steven.
Speaker 2: It's great see him all in the card because I
Speaker 2: love them all.
Speaker 4: It's just what a weird now we're we're going down
Speaker 4: a little bit like these guys where you're big stars
Speaker 4: a year ago. Now it's like, okay, well in a
Speaker 4: year they won't even be at the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It's as we've you know, talked about
Speaker 3: before that it's an opportunity to get these guys out
Speaker 3: there and and still you know, uh show that they're
Speaker 3: a big part of the company. It's a it's a
Speaker 3: it's a chance for them to get a decent paid
Speaker 3: you know, payday as well. But you know, I like
Speaker 3: that that they know. It was a way of just
Speaker 3: showing their appreciation for what these guys did. But it
Speaker 3: was a very odd pairing all the way around, to
Speaker 3: have these eight guys together. They just made no sense.
Speaker 3: And you know it, it was all right, But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of these anyway. I don't
Speaker 3: like the big multiple tag team you know jams that
Speaker 3: they put out there. But you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I'm just happy whenever they would get those guys out there,
Speaker 3: they'd get a shot to be on the stage like that,
Speaker 3: to be at WrestleMania. You know, there's thousands of others
Speaker 3: out there that would never got that opportunity. And so
Speaker 3: I'm sure every one of them appreciated it.
Speaker 4: And Ray Combs from the Family Feud at this time,
Speaker 4: he was actually doing the ring announcing the beginning, introducing
Speaker 4: the wrestlers, insulting the Nasty Boys mother and things that nature.
Speaker 4: And Ray Combs would be involved with a WWR for
Speaker 4: a little while.
Speaker 3: And then yeah he's a big wrestling fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's a tragic ending if you don't know about
Speaker 4: raycmbes unfortunately. But after that we go over to the
Speaker 4: Macho Man Randy Savage. It's the WWF Championship against Rick Flayer.
Speaker 4: The storyline heading into this is Rick Flair is saying
Speaker 4: that he used to date Miss Elizabeth and they have
Speaker 4: pictures in the WWF magazine. According to him, those are real,
Speaker 4: well they're photoshopps. He just photoshopped himself over the Macho
Speaker 4: Man and all these photos. But also Rick Flair is
Speaker 4: saying at Wrestlminia eight, he's going to show.
Speaker 2: On the big screen at.
Speaker 4: The Hoosier Dome naked pictures of Miss Elizabeth will be
Speaker 4: hanging above the rafters.
Speaker 2: Bobby heen it.
Speaker 4: At the top of this show, vers Many eight kicks off.
Speaker 4: He starts off looking like this, and girls like what
Speaker 4: are you doing? And he's like, I'm looking for the loo.
Speaker 4: So no pictures eventually show up. Now we have talked
Speaker 4: about Macho Man being upset about Elizabeth being an itsy
Speaker 4: bitsy teeny weeny yellow poker Dot bikini, which is really just.
Speaker 3: Like Bloomers Bloomer.
Speaker 4: How do you think, macho man, even what's feeling about
Speaker 4: the idea that we are going to promote this event
Speaker 4: in this match based on naked photos of his woman?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even the idea, you know, I'm sure they
Speaker 3: of course said, well, never have something like that. We're
Speaker 3: not going to have, you know, with the blurred out stuff,
Speaker 3: but just the insinuation. Yeah, I know that Randy was
Speaker 3: not comfortable with this angle at all, and they and
Speaker 3: they played it up in it generated a lot of heat,
Speaker 3: and Rick certainly, you know, did a great job with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Randy, I know for a fact, was not
Speaker 3: not real excited about this. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: about it what they were doing then, because they did
Speaker 3: do the doctor photoshop things, you know, with like him
Speaker 3: and Liz together, you know, can you imagine what they
Speaker 3: could do today with Ai.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen like Tupac join the NWS, right, I've
Speaker 4: seen lots of stuff.
Speaker 3: So but even yeah, it wasn't It wasn't a great angle,
Speaker 3: I'm sure as far as Randy was concerned, But this
Speaker 3: ended up being a pretty damn good match. And as
Speaker 3: I said earlier that you know, Rick was about forty
Speaker 3: three at the time and showed that he still had
Speaker 3: it in this match against Randy who, which I think
Speaker 3: he was at the time about thirty eight.
Speaker 2: He was like a great grandpa.
Speaker 3: He was a kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's according to Vince mcmahonnon and everything.
Speaker 2: That happens here.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy to think that you're running you know,
Speaker 4: you having problems with steroid trial. The news is covering
Speaker 4: you like crazy about all the bad decisions you're making
Speaker 4: as a company. But this storyline for the world title,
Speaker 4: your championship is going to be surrounded by nude photos
Speaker 4: of one of your woman characters.
Speaker 2: As a kid, I was always like, what's happening here?
Speaker 2: But as an Adelia.
Speaker 4: Thinking holy crap, like this is an Attitude era storyline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Little Risque absolutely uh And and I think you
Speaker 3: know a lot of some of the fans felt that
Speaker 3: way because we were remember we were all family entertainment
Speaker 3: then that was uh. We wanted the kids there and
Speaker 3: they weren't going to the gutter as they would eventually
Speaker 3: get to. So yeah, at the time, and I think
Speaker 3: I questioned it too, I was like, what are they
Speaker 3: doing here? This is you know, Elizabeth is supposed to
Speaker 3: have this very innocent persona and you know, be smirching it.
Speaker 3: To think that she would ever be in a situation
Speaker 3: where she would let someone take pictures of her without
Speaker 3: her clothing on was kind of was shocking. And and
Speaker 3: I think that you know, kind of the angle with
Speaker 3: well with people think, well, did you know Flair, you know,
Speaker 3: get these pictures somehow in a way that she didn't
Speaker 3: even know about, you know that it was so yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of the you know, sunbathing or something. I
Speaker 3: think like people you know, that was kind of that.
Speaker 3: It just it just had kind of a little bit
Speaker 3: of a dirty feel to it. Yeah. But uh, as
Speaker 3: I said, it did generate heat. And these two, you know,
Speaker 3: and and Randy had no problem uh you know, selling that.
Speaker 3: So when they got to this matchup, it was it
Speaker 3: was uh, it was a good one. I mean right
Speaker 3: from the from the start and they get going, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Randy's all over the place and as you know,
Speaker 3: I talked about him when he's wearing the Spandex shirts
Speaker 3: and it wasn't you know, it wasn't flabby, Steve, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: But it just was when these guys. It just they
Speaker 3: didn't have the cut. You know, if you remember Randy
Speaker 3: at his peak, man, he looked damn good and uh ja.
Speaker 3: But this this wasn't that time. And then you can
Speaker 3: see and when he wears these these shirts that he
Speaker 3: would wear all the time, then that he didn't have
Speaker 3: those lines like he had one at one point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his goal he's wearing.
Speaker 3: I don't know the circumstances. I don't know this circumstances,
Speaker 3: but that was the case with a lot of the guys.
Speaker 3: And as you mentioned the Warrior, I mean it looked
Speaker 3: like he been deflated. Looked like the Rock.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, Skinny Rock hitting into Hollywood, went off the
Speaker 4: juice and you know, yeah that's what I went to.
Speaker 2: It is what happens.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it is strange to see that much of
Speaker 4: a man is wearing a body suit where he's covering
Speaker 4: his physique. Now and we'll see that throughout his career
Speaker 4: until he goes to even w c W.
Speaker 2: He's forever covering himself up until.
Speaker 3: And I want to make clear, but I'm not I
Speaker 3: want to make clear. I'm not saying the Rock was
Speaker 3: every on steroids. And when when everyone to say I'm
Speaker 3: just saying I'm comparing the difference of when you make
Speaker 3: adjustments and how you work out.
Speaker 4: Of course, I know Hollywood does not check for steroids,
Speaker 4: so we can you can.
Speaker 2: Guess what you want to guess, and assume what you
Speaker 2: want to assume.
Speaker 3: But I'm he's getting healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks great, a lot of it.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. It's just people are so used
Speaker 3: to seeing that, you know, and and and the same
Speaker 3: for the warrior, you know, I I you know, at
Speaker 3: the time, nobody knew what these things could do to
Speaker 3: your body. And you know, you see what the transformation
Speaker 3: of these guys. It can't be healthy when you go
Speaker 3: from that to when you don't do them what you
Speaker 3: look like, so and a lot of them ended up
Speaker 3: paying the ultimate price that you know. It's it's amazing
Speaker 3: to me that you know, like and whatever it was
Speaker 3: that that Terry used to keep that physique that he
Speaker 3: had until his dying day, What that does to you
Speaker 3: for that many many, many many years that you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I mean, I'm not saying it's necessarily
Speaker 3: illegal steroids or something like that, but you're doing things
Speaker 3: that are you know, enhancing your body with these supplements
Speaker 3: and everything else, and you really don't. No, ultimately, when
Speaker 3: you're carrying that haft around and that the weight of
Speaker 3: the muscles, and you know, you just have to You
Speaker 3: still have to wonder to this day, is this is
Speaker 3: this healthy for you?
Speaker 4: I would say taking whatever they were taking for all
Speaker 4: those years is definitely not healthy for your body. Because
Speaker 4: but again, if your body's used to like my for
Speaker 4: an example, my grandfather started smoking cigarettes when he was
Speaker 4: eleven years old. He lived, who is ninety nine. He
Speaker 4: smoked cigarettes until then. Because you know why, the minute
Speaker 4: my other my other grandmother quit cigarettes, she died like
Speaker 4: two months later. Because your body is conditioned to these
Speaker 4: these supplements in your body, whatever it is. Smugger at
Speaker 4: some monk or steroids, but clearly match him, man, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll say it.
Speaker 2: He's not on juice anymore.
Speaker 4: Here he when he leaves and goes to WW he's
Speaker 4: still wearing bodysuits until a few years later where he
Speaker 4: suddenly jacked biggest he's ever been. He's not wearing your
Speaker 4: shirt anymore. Why you take a while guess on that one.
Speaker 4: But in this matchup that he's wearing that bodysuit, which
Speaker 4: is great, but yet Rick Flair blades in this match,
Speaker 4: and we saw Brett Hart do it by accident earlier.
Speaker 4: Rick Clair doesn't really make it like he's accidentally doing it.
Speaker 2: You just see him. He's like, he just does it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even care.
Speaker 4: And his bleached blonde hair is red and it looks
Speaker 4: amazing as a visual. But we brought it up there there.
Speaker 4: You can't do that, you're not supposed to. It already
Speaker 4: happened two matches ago. What are you doing now, buddy?
Speaker 3: Happened earlier, right, And I think Flair ended up getting
Speaker 3: You're fine because I think you know that's as I said, Uh,
Speaker 3: it's not like Vince wasn't aware what Brett was doing.
Speaker 3: But then Rick does it and and you said pretty
Speaker 3: blatantly and to him, I think to Vince that was like,
Speaker 3: you're shoving it up my ass, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 3: and so I have to make an example of you,
Speaker 3: and so he did. But in this match, though, it did,
Speaker 3: it really did add to it, especially that you know
Speaker 3: Rick has that bleached blonde hair and that red blood.
Speaker 3: It just pops out and it's amazing, you know, just
Speaker 3: how controlled it was, because you really have to know
Speaker 3: what you're doing when you do that. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've ever had a head wound, but you know,
Speaker 3: I remember I playing rugby one time I got kicked
Speaker 3: in the head and I it was like gallons. People
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna you know, was bleeding to death.
Speaker 3: And I go to the emergency room thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 3: they're going to sew my scalp back on. They start,
Speaker 3: they sew it up, and I go, that was it,
Speaker 3: And they're like, I said, how many stits did you get?
Speaker 3: The guy goes three. So, uh, you know, head wounds bleed.
Speaker 3: You know that you've got a lot of blood vessels
Speaker 3: up there, and and you really have to know what
Speaker 3: you're doing. And it was, you know, and Rix, it
Speaker 3: was just enough. It wasn't where you know, you could
Speaker 3: say that he knew what he was doing with it
Speaker 3: because it was just enough where he wasn't you know,
Speaker 3: there wasn't all over throughout the rest of the match
Speaker 3: or whatever. But they but he had it and and
Speaker 3: it really added to it.
Speaker 4: Look nice and it looked great again. Amazing match. Probably
Speaker 4: the match of the night if you're going to argue
Speaker 4: with Brett versus Piper, but it's certainly some of the
Speaker 4: greatest because again this is a time where Macho Man
Speaker 4: always has good matches. I have never seen a bad
Speaker 4: Macho Man match, no matter if it's short or long,
Speaker 4: and this one is perfect. He wins the world title
Speaker 4: again the second time, winning the belt and at the
Speaker 4: end though he's getting beat up by Rick Flair and
Speaker 4: mister her Perfect.
Speaker 2: They're attacking him.
Speaker 4: Elizabeth is running down and I always love the producers,
Speaker 4: like the referees.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, you can't go down there. They're stopping her.
Speaker 4: But she gets in the ring and Flair grabs her
Speaker 4: by the face again he is covered in blood, grabs
Speaker 4: her by the face and kisses her with his bloody face.
Speaker 4: She has a little blood in her face as well.
Speaker 4: Machi Man gets up attacks and you know.
Speaker 3: He find out of his mind.
Speaker 4: Like Miss Elizabeth has been slapped by Jake the Snake
Speaker 4: Roberts this Tuesday in Texas where assuming nude photos of
Speaker 4: her circulating somewhere backstage. Now she's being manhandled by Flair,
Speaker 4: bloody man kissing her like envy Peter and Miss Elizabeth
Speaker 4: dammit right.
Speaker 3: No, she earned her paycheck, that was for sure on
Speaker 3: that one. And you know, Steve watching this and I
Speaker 3: got emotional watching them together, and I kept saying, like, what, man,
Speaker 3: what is it with the two of them in the ring?
Speaker 3: And it was just the realization of what was happening
Speaker 3: between the two of them in real life they they
Speaker 3: was just kind of you know, they wouldn't be together
Speaker 3: much longer after this, but you know, thinking they're both gone,
Speaker 3: and it was such an incredible time that what they
Speaker 3: had created in the WWE at the time, and to
Speaker 3: see them together once again conquering, you know, the foe
Speaker 3: and real life zing that it's the two of us.
Speaker 3: It really was for me. And maybe I was just
Speaker 3: being nostalgic from that time in my life too, but
Speaker 3: I really I had stop watching it so h it
Speaker 3: just reminded me of the magic that they had. As
Speaker 3: toxic as people may have thought that relationship was or whatever,
Speaker 3: but I don't question for a second that Liz Liz
Speaker 3: was was Randy's love of his life. And I know
Speaker 3: that he found happiness later with someone else, and I'm
Speaker 3: glad that that was where he was in his life,
Speaker 3: but I just don't, I don't ever question that that
Speaker 3: she was it and and I believe it was the
Speaker 3: same for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that again.
Speaker 4: They two had magic for as long as you can remember,
Speaker 4: the Golden Era as always match him and Liz. They
Speaker 4: were not together for a little while and they got
Speaker 4: back together Mania seven and beautiful moment there where he's
Speaker 4: supposed to retire and now here we are a year
Speaker 4: later he's in the world title. So that's funny about
Speaker 4: wrestling too, is like, oh, year ago he retired, Well
Speaker 4: he's the world champion in the WWF. That's well, I'll
Speaker 4: never believe retirement storylines angles Johnson his last match, things of.
Speaker 2: That nature, Like I don't believe you because.
Speaker 4: I've seen too many times where I've been lied to
Speaker 4: about it's your last time and then you're at the
Speaker 4: Roy Rumble or you're at WrestleMania. But you're right about
Speaker 4: the magic between Machim and Miss Elizabeth. It's it's great.
Speaker 4: It's created a lot of core memories for a lot
Speaker 4: of people. Yeah, but much of a minute.
Speaker 3: There was a great match too, and it really it
Speaker 3: was a great match, And as it had been planned,
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be hul Cogan and Rick Flair
Speaker 3: and it just didn't work for whatever reason. They you know,
Speaker 3: they did have matches at house shows and just didn't
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, didn't get over. But this one certainly delivered,
Speaker 3: and so I think as far as the choice is go,
Speaker 3: I know everybody wanted to see the classic matchup, but
Speaker 3: as far as this one went, they absolutely delivered. Rick
Speaker 3: Flair was fantastic that day, and so was Randy and
Speaker 3: and kudos to Elizabeth as well.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that Rick Flair Hogan situation up
Speaker 4: because we did a whole podcast about it. But reality,
Speaker 4: it is shocking that we didn't get Flair and Hogan,
Speaker 4: which is a dream scenario in your brain at WrestleMania,
Speaker 4: But yet we did get match on in rest ric
Speaker 4: Flair an amazing matchup.
Speaker 2: We never wouldn't have gotten this match between.
Speaker 4: Flair and Savage, and how good it was if we
Speaker 4: had Hogan and Flair involved each other. Yet, would it
Speaker 4: be bigger like a star power wise? Maybe, but things
Speaker 4: might have changed if we didn't have so many scenarios
Speaker 4: like Hogan and steroid trials happening. Hogan's gonna leave for a
Speaker 4: little while, you can't have Hogan and Flair. What Flair's
Speaker 4: gonna beat Hogan's and he leaves. Yeah, it's a hard
Speaker 4: it's a hard self. We did a whole hour podcast
Speaker 4: about that. Well, definite put that down in the description
Speaker 4: for you guys listen to.
Speaker 3: Should listen to that one too. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: good stuff in that one.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's again it's endless. But do you think always
Speaker 4: the plan was Machia MA and restrict Flair because you
Speaker 4: do have a lot of Sid and Cogan interactions. At
Speaker 4: Roy Rumble in ninety two, they had interactions. They teamed
Speaker 4: up at Sennight's main event, they had that fake press conference,
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of we might think Flair and
Speaker 4: Hogan's gonna happen, but there's a lot of things building
Speaker 4: and pointing us to Sid versus Hogan instead of Flair
Speaker 4: versus Hogan. Like do you know in your brain maybe
Speaker 4: like when they decided, okay, we're not doing Flair in Hogan.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that as always because so many things
Speaker 3: would change that they always had like kind of the
Speaker 3: backup plan plan, a play plan B and so and
Speaker 3: let's see how these develop. So you know, you would
Speaker 3: see you know, almost working two angles at the same
Speaker 3: time and to see how it plays out, and certainly
Speaker 3: had the ability to do that, you could have beef
Speaker 3: with more than one person, right, So I think that
Speaker 3: and as I said before that, see how the fans,
Speaker 3: they're the ones who decide when it all comes down
Speaker 3: to it. You know, they would We always saw time
Speaker 3: and time again they would try and force something and
Speaker 3: you can't do it. And so I think that they
Speaker 3: were waiting to see what kind of reaction they would get.
Speaker 3: And you know, Sid and Hulk were basically the next
Speaker 3: best thing and the other angle wasn't working. So here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's said we didn't get it, but again we
Speaker 4: did a whole sho about it. We'll put it down
Speaker 4: the description up next to to Tonka versus Rick del
Speaker 4: Model Martel.
Speaker 2: They will not leave each other alone.
Speaker 4: In nine ten ety two they wrestle in somebdversaries any
Speaker 4: two as well, and it's all about racy undertones, being
Speaker 4: called Indian giver and fealing someone's feathers. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: why do you think they keep putting these two together
Speaker 4: like for in ninety one Warlord in the British Bulldog
Speaker 4: fun each other every single paper of view in ninety two,
Speaker 4: technically they only missed one to Tonka and Rick namorl.
Speaker 4: Martell like, why do you think, like, can't we just
Speaker 4: change it up a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think. It just was like it felt
Speaker 3: like lazy to me in a sense. But you know,
Speaker 3: they see guys that work really well together, and you know,
Speaker 3: they just keep blocking them up. You know, certainly you
Speaker 3: couldn't get away with what as you said, they're the
Speaker 3: racial undertones and stuff with that. But even then it
Speaker 3: was like what are you doing? Is it that thin?
Speaker 3: And I always felt like I really did at times
Speaker 3: feel like that Vince and Pat they were a little
Speaker 3: tone deaf to what you what was okay to do,
Speaker 3: you know, or what was acceptable and so this, you know,
Speaker 3: we would see that you know, the stuff about Tito
Speaker 3: that uh, you know, Bobby was great and would get
Speaker 3: away with it, but yeah, and Jesse too was uh
Speaker 3: you know, would lay it in on on certain things.
Speaker 3: So but I you know, you have to remember the
Speaker 3: times and and uh it was It's there's no excuse
Speaker 3: for it. It's just that it was acceptable. I mean
Speaker 3: you had uh, you know, sond of like Don Rickles
Speaker 3: go back and look at some of his bits that
Speaker 3: he would do with these roasts and things. You're like
Speaker 3: oh my god that you know, the stuff that he
Speaker 3: would say. But it was perfectly acceptable that you know
Speaker 3: that people just said, well, okay, you know it's not
Speaker 3: it's comedy. It's being spread about everybody. You know, they're
Speaker 3: not picking on one particular ethnicity. So I guess it's
Speaker 3: all right. Uh, you know, I remember these studs, like,
Speaker 3: you know, the Pollock joke that was, well, come on,
Speaker 3: you know, why didn't people think, my god, that's terrible,
Speaker 3: you know, but they didn't, So yeah, it was it
Speaker 3: was a sign of the times. But anyway that you know,
Speaker 3: those two worked really well together. But it was in
Speaker 3: a sense kind of a mid Carter situation all the time.
Speaker 3: And when you keep you know, it's one thing if
Speaker 3: if they're headliners and you and they work well together
Speaker 3: and you keep them working with each other, but when
Speaker 3: you're in a situation where they're not, what is it?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Do you have any plans to
Speaker 3: take this somewhere? Do they you know? And it wasn't
Speaker 3: it was It kind of comes off to me. It's
Speaker 3: like filler And both of them were very talented, but
Speaker 3: you know, like Rick Bartel was great, and I always
Speaker 3: thought that they just never really knew what to do.
Speaker 3: They tried a lot of things with him, and the
Speaker 3: model is, you know, probably the best, but I always
Speaker 3: felt he was better than that too, and just sometimes
Speaker 3: you just can't find the right gimmick for them and
Speaker 3: everybody had to have one, and so yeah, that's kind
Speaker 3: of the way I feel about the way they kept
Speaker 3: putting those matches out there. And there were others they
Speaker 3: did the same thing with as you mentioned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the British Bulldog and Warlord fight roy Rumble, Russemania, SummerSlam,
Speaker 4: Somber Series and ninety two they fight the roy Rumble
Speaker 4: Rust Many eight. They skipped SummerSlam and then they fight
Speaker 4: at Sarver Series ninety two. So Tatanka and Rick the
Speaker 4: Marmotel are attached at the hip. Also on this event,
Speaker 4: though Legion of Doom have a interview in front.
Speaker 2: Of the crowd. We haven't seen them since Royal Rumble
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: Two because Hawk failed a drug test, so they removed them.
Speaker 4: They lost their tight Team titles and a house show.
Speaker 4: And now Paul Ellering is here. Now the WWF audience
Speaker 4: has no idea who Paul Ellering is. We have never
Speaker 4: been introduced there's been no yet nothing they do come
Speaker 4: out is Paul Ellering. He speaks for the Legion of Doom,
Speaker 4: acknowledging their back. They lost their ways and now they're
Speaker 4: here to take control and you know, get back on
Speaker 4: the right track. I did not like this version of
Speaker 4: living Doom because Paul Ellering to me, I was like,
Speaker 4: why is this old man telling these two guys what
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 2: Now? I didn't know the history because I wasn't told
Speaker 2: the history.
Speaker 4: Was it shocking to see that, all right, we're having
Speaker 4: problems with drugs, like laur right, Well, maybe Paul Ellering
Speaker 4: can get them off drugs.
Speaker 3: Maybe that that is a great question because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people were scratching their heads because they
Speaker 3: were both very capable. They didn't need a manager, and
Speaker 3: yet alone a manager who eventually would show up with
Speaker 3: a wooden dummy.
Speaker 2: How dare you rock on the dummy?
Speaker 3: Oh? God? And and uh and I you know, I
Speaker 3: think they loved they love Paul, but I think they
Speaker 3: felt the same way and so maybe just the it up.
Speaker 3: Maybe they felt that, you know, Paul would have an
Speaker 3: influence because as you said, they had history before and
Speaker 3: you know, had success with him as their manager, but
Speaker 3: it was beyond that. It was you know, outside of
Speaker 3: the ring and traveling in that kind of thought, that
Speaker 3: thought behind it, that he would have some influence over
Speaker 3: Mike and keep him focused. Besides it just being Joe
Speaker 3: who clearly didn't have that kind of ability with with
Speaker 3: Hawk and so yeah, there probably was some of that
Speaker 3: behind it, But I don't know if Ellering had his
Speaker 3: own ideas of because it was his idea with the
Speaker 3: dummy with Rocco and they hated it. I don't know
Speaker 3: why Vince ever bought that, Like why would you the meanest, nastiest,
Speaker 3: too gnarrowly, Uh, you know, superstars and you're gonna have
Speaker 3: them with the manager who's got a who's ventriloquist to me.
Speaker 2: In the newspaper, he's smacking it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it was made no sense, and I
Speaker 3: just I just remember thinking, this is not going to
Speaker 3: end well, this is not gonna go well, because this
Speaker 3: is ridiculous, it's absurd. Just let them be who they are.
Speaker 3: But I think that there was some of that, that
Speaker 3: it was someone else that could keep Mike in line
Speaker 3: and try and keep them focused on what they were
Speaker 3: supposed to be doing, because you know, they're they were
Speaker 3: a union. They had to be together to make it work.
Speaker 3: Joe mentioned many times too, you know you're dealing with
Speaker 3: a drug addict and you can't you can't depend on that,
Speaker 3: and it was his livelihood, so I think that that
Speaker 3: was part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They It's just funny because they get a year ago
Speaker 4: Tag Team Champions as well, so it's like all these
Speaker 4: people a year later from seven to eight. The doubt,
Speaker 4: not the downfall, but just the struggle of keeping going
Speaker 4: is clearly on a lot of people's backs here and
Speaker 4: leads to doom and Paul ow Ring they're out of
Speaker 4: here by Summer Slim nty two.
Speaker 2: You know, we have that whole story.
Speaker 4: We did a whole episode about it where we did
Speaker 4: an episode of Leading to Doom, and we did an
Speaker 4: episode about Summer Slim nineteen ninety two where Hawk ends
Speaker 4: up leaving. The story is he's hanging out with the
Speaker 4: Hell's Angels and he's gone. He doesn't come back until
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven in the WWF.
Speaker 2: So it's just sad to see what happened here.
Speaker 4: But we got money in cording now the Tag Team Champions,
Speaker 4: million Dollar Man in Irs taking on the natural disasters
Speaker 4: and this is you brought up Ta Tanka versus the
Speaker 4: Marl Martel. There's a lot of filler after that world
Speaker 4: title match, Like there's no big storylines like Tatanka model
Speaker 4: the tag team titles, owen Hart and Skinner, Like how
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 2: I've again, I have no problem with any of these matches,
Speaker 2: but for you who were.
Speaker 4: There with the Rockers and Powers and Glory and Demolish
Speaker 4: and all these teams, that how far has the tag
Speaker 4: team division fallen?
Speaker 3: Uh? Pretty far? And I wanted to say overall, you know,
Speaker 3: you made a good point about like you use Led
Speaker 3: as an example of how things had fallen, But I
Speaker 3: think it was kind of you know, encapsuled the entire
Speaker 3: company of where it was, that it was in decline
Speaker 3: and it would get worse for sure that it you know,
Speaker 3: it had to go down for it to come up.
Speaker 3: And I just think it was this you know, exhaustion
Speaker 3: after all that, you know, that that wave of everything,
Speaker 3: you know, and it just was just peaked Hulkamania and
Speaker 3: all all of that, and at some point there's a break.
Speaker 3: And that's what I felt that what was happening, It was, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the perfect storm in many ways with everything
Speaker 3: that was happening, and I think, you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of the superstars, it would they a lot of these
Speaker 3: guys have been with the company through it all, and
Speaker 3: now there was this kind of exhaustion in there and
Speaker 3: people worn down and not that many newcomers coming in
Speaker 3: to you know, pick it back up. So I think overall,
Speaker 3: you know, and the tag team division suffered along with it,
Speaker 3: as we saw in this match, you know, as we
Speaker 3: see throughout, because at one point, man, it was crazy
Speaker 3: how strong that tag team division was. We've never seen
Speaker 3: it again. Never were how many I don't know how
Speaker 3: many tag teams we had, but everybody knew them. They
Speaker 3: were household names.
Speaker 4: Well, if you go look at the nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 4: and eighty eighthviversaries when they have all the tag teams
Speaker 4: in elimination cha elimination matches, there's so many tag teams
Speaker 4: they cover up both sides of the ring where the
Speaker 4: camera canon shoot through them.
Speaker 2: That's how many teams you had.
Speaker 4: And that's how many prominent Killer Bees, rouge O's, you know,
Speaker 4: Strike Force, It's just Powers of Pain, Like it's an endless,
Speaker 4: endless list of amazing teams. Natural disasters win the match
Speaker 4: by count out here at Rustlemania eight count out. After this, though,
Speaker 4: we go to a one minute and thirty six second match.
Speaker 4: It's owen Hart who was in high energy, but now
Speaker 4: he's in a singles match against Skinner the Alligator Man.
Speaker 2: Owen Hart comes down to the ring.
Speaker 4: Does a backflip, gets black goose spit in his face,
Speaker 4: but then oh yeah, yeah, it's disgusting, and he somehow
Speaker 4: wins the match up and it's very quick, it's very easy,
Speaker 4: and you can clearly tell things are running amok to
Speaker 4: like they're running out of time.
Speaker 2: Like all right, just get this in and get this out.
Speaker 2: Why put this here?
Speaker 3: Remains a mystery to this day, Steve, I, yeah, I
Speaker 3: owen Hart was a really talented guy. He's another example
Speaker 3: that they just never really knew what to do with him.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you know, it was probably a longer
Speaker 3: match originally, but you could they started to run out
Speaker 3: of time, and I'm sure that that's you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: that's what it is. You know, you got this other
Speaker 3: match you got coming up with hul Cogan and said
Speaker 3: justice and you know, I don't know's you've got that.
Speaker 3: It's all you know the timing of it, and you've
Speaker 3: got to make sure you've got enough at the end.
Speaker 3: It's like timing a newscast, as you would know very
Speaker 3: well that you know, it's almost divided into segments and
Speaker 3: you got to be at a certain place. Everything goes
Speaker 3: according to time, And I mean, I think, I don't
Speaker 3: I could not believe if they said it's going to
Speaker 3: be a minute something match and boom, it's over. But
Speaker 3: I don't think there was a way to save this.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad it was that short. To tell you
Speaker 3: the truth, I don't know what was that supposed to be?
Speaker 3: Is was it supposed to be tobacco juice or what?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I believe that was.
Speaker 4: I think he's supposed to be, like, yeah, he's a man,
Speaker 4: he was on the Alligator meet. I don't know because
Speaker 4: he was he was a hunter, but yeah, and he
Speaker 4: spit in his face and then he rolls him up,
Speaker 4: uh one two three hundred two minutes. It's very quick
Speaker 4: because they're doing interviews backstage before this matchup, so out
Speaker 4: of nowhere, the camera just appears on Owen, who's on
Speaker 4: the top rope, does a backflip, gets spit and then
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, Dore's a match up, Like I'm his kid,
Speaker 4: be like, wait, there's a match happening right now? Like
Speaker 4: what we just abruptly showed up. There's no music, there's
Speaker 4: no nothing. It just here we are, but now here
Speaker 4: are here? We are the main event. Holt Cogan versus
Speaker 4: said Justice after this matchup, Hogan's gone, said Justice is gone.
Speaker 4: Warriors here and so was Papa Shan Go. But there
Speaker 4: is so much to talk about this matchup. Now, Hoult
Speaker 4: cogin leaving. Now they air this segment where vincmick Man
Speaker 4: actually interviewed Hote Cogan on the march to met WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: It was like a special the week before getting you excited.
Speaker 4: For this WrestleMania and Vincent's down with and they have
Speaker 4: all these memories of Holte Cogan behind him against Andre
Speaker 4: and Warrior, and Vince is very sad.
Speaker 2: It is just the end of Hulk Cogan, just the
Speaker 2: end of whole comedian. He's one of old brother But
Speaker 2: you know, I think it is even the beginning of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: The intro is it's a double main event, and will
Speaker 4: it be Hulk Hogan's last match? And he opposes you know,
Speaker 4: over the Hoosier Dome heading into this, were you told
Speaker 4: by the company, this is Hulk Coogan's last match, we
Speaker 4: have to promote it that way.
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't say this is his last match, but yes,
Speaker 3: they did say we will promote it this way. And
Speaker 3: you know, to have that that sense of this is
Speaker 3: maybe your last chance to see Hulk Hogan in the ring.
Speaker 3: I mean that makes absolute sense. I get a kick
Speaker 3: out of watching that that interview that you know, it
Speaker 3: was supposed to be like a sixty minutes kind of
Speaker 3: feel to it, you know, that Vince interviewing Hulk, but
Speaker 3: you know he's asking these questions like is this you know,
Speaker 3: and I just look at like Hulk and you know, no,
Speaker 3: it's working here, But I just like he's going, you know,
Speaker 3: it's Vincett me up here, like you know that I
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be gone, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like probably, Yeah, they're both playing each other in
Speaker 4: front of each other each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a work. It's a work both ways. But
Speaker 3: it's just kind of uncomfortable, you know, because it's like
Speaker 3: it's one of those uh, you know, the fantasy reality
Speaker 3: like where are we in here? You know, the between
Speaker 3: the two there's a lot of truth going on in here. Uh,
Speaker 3: and they're getting their shots in in a sense, and
Speaker 3: these little mind games. But yeah, I mean that's why
Speaker 3: else why wouldn't you not play it like that? That, Hey,
Speaker 3: you know this could be it? How many retirement matches
Speaker 3: have we've seen? And you know, four months later the
Speaker 3: guys back, so you know we can say whatever we want,
Speaker 3: this is it? Never going to ever do anything else
Speaker 3: ever again? And oh oh gee, hey, nice to see
Speaker 3: you again. So yeah, that that was absolutely the way
Speaker 3: it was played up and the way we promoted it
Speaker 3: as we.
Speaker 4: Should, and it was just, yeah, you're right about the
Speaker 4: sixty minutes style interview, and you're it's so funny because
Speaker 4: I'm so happy you brought that up. Like they're playing
Speaker 4: each other in front of each other. Yeah, because Vince
Speaker 4: is like, look at all these great memories. You can't
Speaker 4: top this, right, buddy, Like this is gonna be the end?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Man?
Speaker 4: Like you're saying I'm old. You're saying I can't do
Speaker 4: anything better than what you have behind me.
Speaker 3: Nothing else you can do to make this any different.
Speaker 2: Remember that great Andre moment. You're never top of that,
Speaker 2: right buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't. Oh, I guess, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Fighting said next Sunday. Isn't that is that great? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great, but never better than this, right, Well, and.
Speaker 3: I think that I think that you know, Vince even
Speaker 3: knows too that that's not a great that's not a
Speaker 3: great matchup. I had to play it. It's the Hulkster,
Speaker 3: but I don't think, you know, we talked that that
Speaker 3: Hulk and Rick wasn't gonna happen. But I wasn't excited
Speaker 3: about sid in the Hulk either, so you know, I was,
Speaker 3: and and it was kind of it was kind of
Speaker 3: a the backle match anyway. And then of course the
Speaker 3: whole thing with you know, the the late entrance by
Speaker 3: Papa Shango, which you know, just kind of summed it
Speaker 3: all up as to what you know, it's that match
Speaker 3: was and i've uh, you know, Charles's I've heard him
Speaker 3: since talk about it that, uh he had really nothing
Speaker 3: to do with it, and I totally believe him because, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, if people know, the gorilla position is where
Speaker 3: your position, and you mentioned earlier, you know how long
Speaker 3: that walk was to the ring. It was, it was
Speaker 3: a long ways. And if you watch that match, uh
Speaker 3: you see that you know, uh that where he kicks
Speaker 3: out where Sid kicks out, Well, he was supposed to
Speaker 3: he was supposed to be at ringside already before that happened.
Speaker 3: He wasn't supposed to kick out. Shango was supposed to
Speaker 3: come in and interfere, and and Sid's forced to kick
Speaker 3: out because Shango ain't there. Uh so, but so you
Speaker 3: know how bad that Q was And I don't know
Speaker 3: who was there. I don't remember, uh you know right, no, no,
Speaker 3: mas so whoever's there really f that up or like
Speaker 3: really missed it. And uh you know, Charles says that
Speaker 3: they they sent me late. They knew it. The guy's like,
Speaker 3: oh ghosh, you know shit, And and he goes out there.
Speaker 3: Now it's you know, he's not going to go run
Speaker 3: out there until they send him. That's that's how it works.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not going to just be how's he
Speaker 3: going to know? You're gonna looking on the monitor and
Speaker 3: that's that where that point is, and then you go, no,
Speaker 3: somebody just says send him, and he goes.
Speaker 2: He ran super slow though very when he walks out yet.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there, wasn't It was an ultimate warrior run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's he needs to get if he was gonna
Speaker 4: if he was already late, he's already twenty minutes late
Speaker 4: now right now, now you're another twenty minutes late, like
Speaker 4: the movie's over, like.
Speaker 1: Rust has gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not getting on it. The ships sailed whatever
Speaker 3: you want to say, uh yeah, and then he goes
Speaker 3: out there. But but as far as his explanation for it,
Speaker 3: I totally buy that that whoever it was, f that up.
Speaker 3: They sent him way, way, way too late when he
Speaker 3: went out.
Speaker 2: So do you think that was on purpose though, to
Speaker 2: make to make Hogan look stupid on his way out?
Speaker 3: No, God, no, there's too many people feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: there's no trust there. Somebody says, yeah, I do this,
Speaker 3: We're gonna get Hulk, We're gonna screw him and let
Speaker 3: you know, and less Vince. But no, it just wouldn't
Speaker 3: have worked out. There's no way that they if they wanted,
Speaker 3: there was much easier other, you know, ways to do it,
Speaker 3: not to forget, you know, not send Papa Shango when
Speaker 3: he's supposed to go down there and interfere. That's I
Speaker 3: just can't believe that would be something that was done
Speaker 3: on purpose.
Speaker 2: But I interviewed Harvey Whippleman about this event, and I asked.
Speaker 3: He's the manager advises. Yeah, he improvises and gets in there.
Speaker 4: Gets from the apron and like he's trying to cover
Speaker 4: up for Papa Shanka walking, you know, like an old
Speaker 4: grandma to the store. And yet Harvey says, everything that
Speaker 4: happened was supposed to happen that way. Papa Shanka was
Speaker 4: supposed to be late, The leg drop was supposed to
Speaker 4: be a kickout all and I'm like, the leg the
Speaker 4: kickout was on purpose.
Speaker 2: He was like, yep, So he says that, Like.
Speaker 3: You said, Okay, so you're saying, like, because nobody kicks
Speaker 3: out from the leg drop, so let's make Terry look bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, true, No, No, that's a theory.
Speaker 3: That's a theory.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I hadn't considered that, but yeah, that's a theory. But
Speaker 3: you know, Papa Shango is not going to Is he
Speaker 3: going to risk his career for that? No, he's not
Speaker 3: going to go unless says go, unless Vin is the
Speaker 3: one that's behind it all. I just find it, you know,
Speaker 3: and and look what happened after it. You know that
Speaker 3: he was gone.
Speaker 2: Well, they replaced Holding with Warrior and the fans.
Speaker 4: That's that's why I'm like, I'm not against the theory
Speaker 4: of Vince being very like, oh, really, you're gonna leave
Speaker 4: while I'm getting my ass handed to me by everybody,
Speaker 4: and I need you use my star.
Speaker 2: Well guess what I'm not saying, Vince did that.
Speaker 4: But also for all of the stories where Vince McMahon
Speaker 4: is not a very nice man sometimes to other people
Speaker 4: who he feels like are turning on him and holding
Speaker 4: leaving here, I feel like that's a turn in. Harvey
Speaker 4: Whippleman flat out said, Yep, it was supposed to be
Speaker 4: that way. The kickout, the everything is on Q.
Speaker 2: In the end is Warrior to come out. That's all
Speaker 2: we really need to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, he was there, so you know,
Speaker 3: but that's kind of that's the way I saw it,
Speaker 3: And I uh, I don't know. I mean, we'll never know.
Speaker 4: When you talk to un if you'd sid and obviously
Speaker 4: when he was live, when you interviewed him, you guys
Speaker 4: talked about this. Do you recall his reactions to all this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he went with the you know, the whole
Speaker 3: from what I remember that that you know that that
Speaker 3: it was he had to. He had to improvise.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get pinned.
Speaker 4: So that makes sense because yeah, he's again, and then
Speaker 4: you know Papa Shank Go's late and it's suppecially Cogan's
Speaker 4: last match. But when we finally get to the end,
Speaker 4: said kicks out, Holy shit, what's happening. Then we hear
Speaker 4: Delta Warrior's music and even Bobby Heenan on commentary is
Speaker 4: going crazy about this. He's like, the Warrior's back, The
Speaker 4: Warrior's back, and they show the camera angle and Warrior.
Speaker 4: I've never seen this man run so fast in all
Speaker 4: my life, but when I saw him running, now go
Speaker 4: the health.
Speaker 1: Is the who hell is that?
Speaker 2: That's not the Elephant Warrior. People thought that was a
Speaker 2: Texas Tornado for a long time.
Speaker 3: That's true, and he did. I mean.
Speaker 4: People thought for so long without the Internet telling us
Speaker 4: the truth, that was Texas Tornado dressed up as the
Speaker 4: Ulphant Warrior because we wanted to still use the the
Speaker 4: ip of the Warrior character. Did you was it a
Speaker 4: secret that Warrior was coming back before this, at this event,
Speaker 4: weeks before, months before?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, you know, huh did you.
Speaker 2: Know Warrior was coming back?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You you're gonna keep it a little k FAVI.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they they there were all kinds of rumors that, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was coming back, so but it was, uh, it
Speaker 3: was pretty well kept secret. And uh and I just
Speaker 3: that was another one of those I was thinking, boy,
Speaker 3: and especially the way the situation that what he looked
Speaker 3: like and everything else. I'm just saying, like, I don't
Speaker 3: know how this is gonna that's gonna work.
Speaker 4: No, because he comes back and he's not he's wearing
Speaker 4: is regular a gear And yeah, then the next time
Speaker 4: we see him on television he has a bodysuit on
Speaker 4: with airbrush muscles on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, a little giantnslid everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, you got to have your original. You want that.
Speaker 3: You want the original, you want the you know, as
Speaker 3: as mister Purk would say, you're filled up, You're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we already.
Speaker 3: I can't get any more on you bouncing it off
Speaker 3: the wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just crazy because we did a whole again,
Speaker 4: a whole episode about it where Warrior gets fired after
Speaker 4: Summer Slam nineteen ninety one for holding up Vince for
Speaker 4: more money. Any more profits the Warrior hotline merchandise sales
Speaker 4: all that. Well, Khally vinsik Man doesn't give a shit
Speaker 4: about burn Bridges because he brings Warrior back just a
Speaker 4: few months later. Now, And is this do you think
Speaker 4: Warriors brought back because Hogan's leaving and we're like, we
Speaker 4: gott to replace one character with another or Warrior.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that had that was had a big element
Speaker 3: to it, of course, but I think that Vince knew
Speaker 3: deep down he didn't that. You know, you get burned
Speaker 3: so many times, so those matches, you know, you're just
Speaker 3: like it was never gonna work. It just he just
Speaker 3: wasn't capable. So yeah, but that was the intent. Of course,
Speaker 3: you know, they needed a big name and you know
Speaker 3: maybe this time he's going to but.
Speaker 4: No, no time, and he gets he gets fired in
Speaker 4: November of nineteen ninety two when he was fired for
Speaker 4: hgh use and we talked about that as well on
Speaker 4: Sarvis Series nineteen ninety two podcasts. So there's a lot
Speaker 4: of Warrior being fired content here on the Golden Era podcast.
Speaker 4: But it seems to be that every time we think
Speaker 4: we're gonna believe in him one more time, is it
Speaker 4: just too much too soon for someone like.
Speaker 2: Warrior he's just got so much and he didn't.
Speaker 4: He didn't I don't know, he didn't think he could
Speaker 4: handle it, and he thought, oh, I deserve these things,
Speaker 4: when in reality, maybe you just wait out a little
Speaker 4: bit and you will get that whole coking of money.
Speaker 2: Or he had to put his foot down because he
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna get it no matter what.
Speaker 3: Well, I think initially that that it was all that
Speaker 3: you know, too much too soon, But then you know, uh,
Speaker 3: he was put through a lot of situations and should
Speaker 3: have learned those lessons, and I just think when it
Speaker 3: came right down to it, he just wasn't capable. It
Speaker 3: was it was just too hardwired, too stubborn, too you know,
Speaker 3: thick headed on things and felt that. And I think
Speaker 3: because of the way everything went initially he always felt
Speaker 3: like they were out to get him. They weren't really
Speaker 3: behind him and given it, you know, they needed me,
Speaker 3: and it was it wasn't like the genuine they want
Speaker 3: me to succeed and and any any job or anything
Speaker 3: you're doing, if you don't believe that, then you've always
Speaker 3: got that edge, and Jim always did and it's it's
Speaker 3: it's a shame we uh as I've said before that
Speaker 3: I think he could have been one of the greatest
Speaker 3: legends in the history of the w WE, and he
Speaker 3: just couldn't got it to get out of his own
Speaker 3: way when it came down to it.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's sad he doesn't come back again.
Speaker 4: He comes back here, he's fired in ninety two, he
Speaker 4: doesn't come back until nine ninety six, and then he
Speaker 4: goes to WCW and he doesn't come back until he
Speaker 4: gets put in the Hall of Fame, and then he
Speaker 4: passes away the very next day, which is what a.
Speaker 2: Crazy situation that was.
Speaker 4: But Hogan's out, Warriors in but also Sid is out
Speaker 4: of the company as well. He failed a drug test
Speaker 4: shortly after WrestleMania. He quits the company three weeks later,
Speaker 4: maybe softball was involved, and he wouldn't come back until
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: So your main event of Rust many eight, both wrestlers
Speaker 2: are gone after it.
Speaker 4: It's shocking how the exits of certain wrestlers happen. Again,
Speaker 4: you're in the company, Hogan's gone, You're like, okay, well
Speaker 4: we got Sid. Now Sid's gone too. What are you
Speaker 4: hearing about that?
Speaker 3: It was a sign of the times. I mean it
Speaker 3: really was that. I just think that's just where we
Speaker 3: were going. It was the company was in decline. It
Speaker 3: wasn't what it was that that's where you wanted to be,
Speaker 3: and that's where you were going to make the most money,
Speaker 3: and that's where the most fame was going to come.
Speaker 3: They had other options, but it was it was a
Speaker 3: sign of the times that you know, nothing was shocking
Speaker 3: back then. If somebody left a couple of years before that, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would have been like, oh my god. But you know,
Speaker 3: Sid was always in and out. Uh And he's admitted,
Speaker 3: he admitted many many times that you know, wrestling with
Speaker 3: he was there was nothing, no passion involved in in
Speaker 3: professional wrestling. For him, it was a way to make
Speaker 3: a living and he could walk away from it any day.
Speaker 3: He just didn't care enough. The Hulk we've talked about,
Speaker 3: you know that he just was he wanted to see
Speaker 3: if he could take that that hul comania, that that
Speaker 3: persona to the next level h in the mainstream, and
Speaker 3: and he was going to go for it. So and
Speaker 3: and other stuff that was trailing him as well. That
Speaker 3: he wasn't over like that. People did question it. They know,
Speaker 3: the whole Arsenio Hall appearance was I think hurt him dramatically.
Speaker 3: Nobody bought it, so you know, maybe it was a
Speaker 3: chance to get away, you know, but but bottom line,
Speaker 3: it was just a sign of the times. And as
Speaker 3: I mentioned, I always wondered what was I thinking at
Speaker 3: the time, because I left shortly after in ninety three.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've always said, God, I wish it
Speaker 3: would have stuck around, and I would love to have
Speaker 3: been part of the the uh attitude era. But now,
Speaker 3: but us going through this stuff, it's brought back a
Speaker 3: lot of memories, the reality of it was and and uh,
Speaker 3: you know I felt the same way about a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and I didn't like the things that they
Speaker 3: were doing. And uh so I get it now.
Speaker 2: You know, we're breaking up with therapy session with Sean
Speaker 2: Mooney here.
Speaker 3: Emotional today, but it is it's uh yeah, these going
Speaker 3: through the stuff with it is therapy.
Speaker 4: Well, at least you weren't busted up in that day
Speaker 4: and got fine thousands of dollars by this man. You know,
Speaker 4: you could have been the third person like, oh we're
Speaker 4: all we're not busting open today. I thought we were
Speaker 4: doing that. Whoops, Like I'm bleeding everywhere Uh, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: the wrestling he ate for you folks. There's one more
Speaker 4: story that really blew my mind though, where it has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the event the night before, where
Speaker 4: Brett Hard is at a bar with his wife and
Speaker 4: apparently while he was in the bathroom, a young Sehae
Speaker 4: mcman hit on his wife and his wife didn't like that. Well,
Speaker 4: Berhart found that out and decided to go up to
Speaker 4: Shane and give him a piece of his mind about
Speaker 4: how he just hit on his f and wife in Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a weird story that I stumbled upon before this event,
Speaker 4: and thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you said that. It's in Brett's book. He
Speaker 3: talks about it. We don't hear Shane's side, no, but uh,
Speaker 3: you know that was not uh monogamy was not exactly
Speaker 3: uh you know, rampant in back in the days. Even
Speaker 3: Brett talks about being on the road in his book
Speaker 3: and having something different all over the place.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know, Shane was a young buck back then,
Speaker 3: he doing stuff with the company and uh you know,
Speaker 3: probably tipped a few and didn't have the greatest judgment
Speaker 3: on that one. And who knows what the exchange was. Uh,
Speaker 3: but apparently Julie Brett's wife at the time, was offended
Speaker 3: by it. And you know, Brett didn't didn't take any
Speaker 3: disrespect from anybody, uh, and so he straightened that out
Speaker 3: quick apparently, and and shoved Shane up against the wall
Speaker 3: and said, dude, you don't do that. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: Shane got the message.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he pissed his pants that day, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's why a lot of wrestlers, I think, I think
Speaker 4: Jake said it once. We're like, that's why you don't
Speaker 4: bring your wife around the boys, because bad things can
Speaker 4: happen without you even knowing.
Speaker 2: And he has a perfect situation.
Speaker 3: Why do you think Randy. You know, they always said
Speaker 3: that Randy basically locked the Liz away, he had her
Speaker 3: with her, and that you know, that had to be
Speaker 3: tough too, although you know Liz would have never during
Speaker 3: that period of time done anything. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's rough, that's rough.
Speaker 4: Accordin de Rick Flair though she has a nude photo
Speaker 4: somewhere in heaven trying to find these photos. He's trying
Speaker 4: to figure out where they were. But all in all,
Speaker 4: I thought RUSSEMANI was a fun show. I really liked
Speaker 4: it again, russemini Ate was my first wrestle media So
Speaker 4: no matter what anyone says, I'll say he's the greatest
Speaker 4: wrestlemen of all time personally in my book.
Speaker 2: But there has been better.
Speaker 4: Matches, yah, better moments. But wrestlming he Ate holds true
Speaker 4: to Savage and Flair, Piper versus Heart and of course
Speaker 4: just the slew of Golden Era characters throughout the program.
Speaker 4: Uh just weird ending of is that Warrior?
Speaker 2: Is that not Warrior?
Speaker 4: Even Hogan being shocked like he's holding he's he's oh
Speaker 4: my god, he's back and.
Speaker 2: They hold each other's hands and the fires to going off.
Speaker 4: That's the last image you see, and it was it
Speaker 4: was a very strange moment for the Golden Era because
Speaker 4: Hogan's out, Warriors back, and then eventually Warriors out at
Speaker 4: the end of ninety two and we are off to
Speaker 4: the New Generation and then Attitude era, and a lot
Speaker 4: of changes are happening in the company. But mister Mooney,
Speaker 4: thank you again so much here in the Golden Era
Speaker 4: talking about WrestleMania eight from the Hoosier Dome, I'm ce
Speaker 4: fall he Shaw Mooney, have a wonderful day.
Speaker 2: And we'll see you next time. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: It's the Golden Age, tong Juie, not so fantasy, sat
Speaker 1: in the real history. The Gold tell me to Julie.