Speaker 1: Heymi and I'm Brian and we're Love Spiral. So welcome
Speaker 1: to Chilling with Love Spirals Number one. Hiray, can you
Speaker 1: believe it?
Speaker 2: It's weird how we got so close and we stopped
Speaker 2: podcasting for like a decade, but here are we hit one.
Speaker 1: Hundred You know it was that long, right Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like, not only is this the first episode, it's
Speaker 1: also the twentieth anniversary of the show.
Speaker 2: Wow, I realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet, but actually I double checked right beforehand. It
Speaker 1: looks like our first one came out in like June,
Speaker 1: so we kind of going to start twentieth anniversary in June.
Speaker 1: But you know, let's celebrate it now on one hundredth episode.
Speaker 2: It'd celebrate everywhere. Are you got a glass of wine? Cheers?
Speaker 1: Dust Ding ding d party? So yeah, so the Big
Speaker 1: News got another new song out now, of course, or
Speaker 1: would we even be doing this episodes? Here?
Speaker 2: We are like on schedule about approximately a week or
Speaker 2: so after its release. Yeah, it's to streaming media.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the song is called without You. Hopefully you've
Speaker 1: already heard it. It dropped Monday, October twentieth on all
Speaker 1: digital platforms, the.
Speaker 2: Date Amazon Web Services went out, but we could talk
Speaker 2: about that later.
Speaker 1: No, we we were gonna talk about Well, I want
Speaker 1: to say I thought I was being so clever trying out.
Speaker 1: You know, normally we do it on Friday. There is
Speaker 1: the whole like new music Friday thing. But I had
Speaker 1: read somewhere that for indie bands like us, it might
Speaker 1: be better to stagger it until Monday, so that more
Speaker 1: people have a chance to like put you onto a
Speaker 1: like a playlist, modify, or to write you up.
Speaker 2: We could be bothered to experiment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought, you know, it'd be cool. It
Speaker 1: was kind of tough because on Friday, I was like
Speaker 1: all anxious, like I want to get this up. People
Speaker 1: are like buying old things on band camp. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't know. But yeah, so my plan was a dud.
Speaker 2: Yeah we're supposed to know. Like about an hour or
Speaker 2: two after it got released, went to bed and bam
Speaker 2: we woke up. Amazon Web services down, brought down half
Speaker 2: the Internet, including the streaming services and stuff. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it seemed like picked back up. It just like frozen
Speaker 2: wild for like half a day or yeah.
Speaker 1: So, like we've noticed that when you schedule something to
Speaker 1: come out on a day and actually you'll see it
Speaker 1: go live at like midnight or nine, yeah, like the
Speaker 1: night before. So we saw it go live. We saw
Speaker 1: Without You go live on Sunday night, on Sunday night
Speaker 1: on Apple and on Spotify, and I went ahead and
Speaker 1: pushed it to band camp and I saw a couple
Speaker 1: of sales come in Sunday night. We went to bed thinking, handle,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. We're gonna wake up and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be all this stuff. Now, the internet was so dead.
Speaker 2: Where were you when Amazon Web Services crashed?
Speaker 3: On? Oh?
Speaker 1: Where were you? Yeah? So the long short of it
Speaker 1: is that we didn't get onto any Spotify algorithmic playlist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in fact, it wasn't until today that I finally
Speaker 1: saw the song getting picked up by the algorithm playlet.
Speaker 1: But I mean still, what was great was that, you know,
Speaker 1: I could see, like ninety three some of the people
Speaker 1: were going directly to our account on Spotify and listening.
Speaker 1: So that means you guys are definitely seeing the posts
Speaker 1: I'm making on social media like I had done, like
Speaker 1: I had done a teaser and people seemed pretty excited
Speaker 1: about that. And then I did like a little video
Speaker 1: playing like twenty seconds of it, and yeah, so people
Speaker 1: will find out about it directly through us.
Speaker 2: It's all behaving normally now, just got off to a
Speaker 2: weird start. So even though the chances of us having
Speaker 2: another Monday release coinciding with Amazon Web Services coming down,
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna go back to our Friday.
Speaker 1: It just seems kind of weird about doing it online.
Speaker 2: I agree, maybe we're setting our ways after doing it
Speaker 2: for like all this time, but let's go.
Speaker 1: Back to take new music. Monday's fine.
Speaker 2: Going back to Friday. It just kind of feels right
Speaker 2: to me to my gut too.
Speaker 1: When do you guys expect to find news.
Speaker 2: We're just going off our guts and vibes here. Let's
Speaker 2: give us some data from Yeah.
Speaker 1: Totally we're winging it all. Yeah. So anyways, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the first couple of days we were we're still able
Speaker 1: to get like three thousand streams on spot but I
Speaker 1: saw today we're over. Yeah, yeah, I think you know
Speaker 1: everything's starting over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, started to get back.
Speaker 1: Massive update this Monday, a week after release. We got
Speaker 1: picked up by the Spotify playlist and we had an
Speaker 1: epic amount of streams in one day. So totally stoked
Speaker 1: and maybe Monday is a good day to drop. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: And I see you mentioned we got thirteen streams in
Speaker 2: South Korea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Okay is actually doing Really it's in
Speaker 1: the forties, right, It's not like forty nine in Korea.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh yeah, it's like forty to fifty streams
Speaker 2: in South Korea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: But it's like what you said, like fifty thousand, two.
Speaker 1: Thousand streams total. And I saw it had like about
Speaker 1: as many streams this week as the new song did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are still digging Okay.
Speaker 2: And it's picking up.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, yeah, you know, I was really
Speaker 1: worried that, you know, people were not getting the song
Speaker 1: because I did not hear from Brandon right away.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he's as he gets back to you pretty.
Speaker 1: Quickly, hung and I took a couple couple of days, yeah,
Speaker 1: two or three. Yeah, but I'll just read part of
Speaker 1: what he said. He said. I like how even in
Speaker 1: a warm song expressing lots of love, there's still a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about fears that feels on brand in
Speaker 1: both directions. After how the last podcast discussion.
Speaker 2: Went, would we talk about the last podcast?
Speaker 1: I know I think we were talking about how we
Speaker 1: had finally written the song. It was like, could we
Speaker 1: get any more negative than nothing even matters anymore?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hint to I said, our next one,
Speaker 2: we'll go up a little bit as far as the
Speaker 2: positivity or less negative vibe exactly. We know.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is, though, the song we were talking
Speaker 1: about in that last podcast isn't even the song that
Speaker 1: we put out.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right right, We've kind of we had two
Speaker 2: songs we could have pursued. We're doing that other one now,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we decided to go with Without You first.
Speaker 2: Somehow the vibes of that were just like, we're feeling
Speaker 2: pretty strongly.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you because like he had been
Speaker 1: really into writing this other song so much so that
Speaker 1: we were talking about in the last podcast, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I heard him working on you
Speaker 1: know the song that became without You. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: remember how that even happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a one of the older songs, like
Speaker 2: from like the same kind of story as Boss Mode
Speaker 2: is from a couple of years back. There might be
Speaker 2: one or two more, but yeah, Boss was definitely one
Speaker 2: of those, and Without You one of those where we
Speaker 2: had a good idea, but I don't think we had
Speaker 2: the skill and the ideas that to like really just
Speaker 2: make it work, you know. So yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 2: like pull that one up again. I knew we had
Speaker 2: some good ideas and without you, so yeah, I did
Speaker 2: a couple of things. I changed the key, I got
Speaker 2: rid of some parts, I added some new parts, and
Speaker 2: fun I started clicking together. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. One
Speaker 2: one magic thing was lowered at a half step and
Speaker 2: that clicked in with your voice better than the version.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it allowed me to do some voicings
Speaker 2: on guitar way easier than it would have been otherwise.
Speaker 2: So it all worked out. Yeah, Because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of weird chords in this song. It's a lot of
Speaker 2: jazzy chord extensions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely want to talk about that. Like he
Speaker 1: went off on this whole like journey of exploring all
Speaker 1: these I do that.
Speaker 2: In all my songs. I really like turnover, like just
Speaker 2: turnover like ideas and trying to figure out what's the
Speaker 2: best phrasing of a chord.
Speaker 1: And you were doing all those diminished half diminished.
Speaker 2: That's just one chord was crazy that was in the
Speaker 2: original have diminish or the minor seven flat five, same
Speaker 2: same chord, but yeah, they have diminish chord. Yeah it
Speaker 2: was in the original one.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, he was like literally like watching YouTube videos
Speaker 1: about like music theory and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I've been watching some jazz.
Speaker 2: In my music theory knowledge lately. Yeah, researching websites, turning ideas,
Speaker 2: sometimes through like my local l L m oh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a.
Speaker 1: Whole lot of Yeah. We went on this whole like
Speaker 1: building our own AI at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we ended up I think I think
Speaker 1: we slowed it down to tad more too.
Speaker 2: I did slow it down a.
Speaker 1: Couple of Yeah, we slowed it down a bit, and
Speaker 1: then we wrote a whole new section for it that
Speaker 1: we didn't have before.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Before it's just the same chords over and over,
Speaker 2: like on loop. But when we do that, we tend
Speaker 2: to like add things into different sections, give the parents
Speaker 2: in reverse, maybe a pre chorus a chorus kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But this time I have on my chord exploration, I
Speaker 2: came up with the A section chords, which we didn't
Speaker 2: have before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always spent quite a bit of time figuring
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: So I tried it. My whole goal and putting chords
Speaker 2: together is to get a sequence of chords or several
Speaker 2: sequence of chords that have this certain kind of aesthetic.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to you about this have such
Speaker 2: a weird aesthetics. It's weird for me, not weird, but
Speaker 2: for you guys, maybe it's just very particular sensibility that's
Speaker 2: beautiful sadness.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of it involves like having jazzy
Speaker 2: or extensions on the course, not for the sake of
Speaker 2: being jazzy per se. You don't listen to our music
Speaker 2: that sounds like bebop or something like that, you know,
Speaker 2: but just to get those pretty notes that you don't
Speaker 2: hear like in rock and roll coorse Yeah, true, Yeah,
Speaker 2: adding a ninth or eleventh or whatever, you know, notes
Speaker 2: that people don't put on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's like, you know, we're working on getting like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we want we don't want this to do one
Speaker 1: thing all the way through, like like Love Survived It
Speaker 1: or something like, we want these different sections. And then
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so which sections are going to be
Speaker 1: getting which lyrics? You know, so to figure out which
Speaker 1: which of these things we're working on, is gonna be
Speaker 1: the chorus, Whi's gonna be the verse? And then like
Speaker 1: we've been a little bit more into pre courses lately
Speaker 1: and pages. So yeah, so we ended up with that bridge.
Speaker 1: And then oh yeah, so I mentioned in the pr
Speaker 1: on I think band camps were the only place that
Speaker 1: mentions it, but the lyrics in this song were I
Speaker 1: was original winding. I'm like back in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: I had like a short lived online collaboration. I was
Speaker 1: steering with some guy going by the name of Realm.
Speaker 1: That never happened, and he disappeared off the face of
Speaker 1: the earth. I have no idea where he is now.
Speaker 2: I'm still here, I know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I've written this song and originally said
Speaker 1: I don't want to see our love oh slowly unravel,
Speaker 1: But then I so I change that to slowly slip away.
Speaker 1: I thought sounded more. Yeah, I love I like to sound.
Speaker 1: And then so when it came time for the bridge
Speaker 1: in this brand new iteration of the song, I told
Speaker 1: you guys, sometimes I just find little different things that
Speaker 1: I have. Well it used to be in a book,
Speaker 1: but now they're my phone. So I found like a
Speaker 1: poem that I've written and I use that and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been doing all these like trippy different kinds of
Speaker 1: spoken word or song, you know, like kind of sung
Speaker 1: rap bridges. So that's what that was. And then I
Speaker 1: remember when I was laying down those vocals, I was like,
Speaker 1: is this cool? Or is this is this? Are people
Speaker 1: to think it's whack? Like I put so much like
Speaker 1: soulfulness into it and like these kind of weird chord things.
Speaker 1: I think I was kind of in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind kind of thinking like Erica Bado or something
Speaker 1: like that, that.
Speaker 2: We're both like in our minds. I don't know how
Speaker 2: familiar a lot of you guys are with like New
Speaker 2: Soul or New Soul.
Speaker 1: Or especially we're talking about like two thousands all that.
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, yeah, I was. I was taking cues
Speaker 2: from in the production, not the song, about the production,
Speaker 2: like you know, what kind of snare should I have?
Speaker 1: The drums were a little tricky this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's not my my my forte. But I
Speaker 2: think I got got it working. I'm pretty happy. I
Speaker 2: like it when the when the snare drum comes in
Speaker 2: after the rim shot in the in the pre chorus
Speaker 2: had Yeah, and that in the horns, you know, just
Speaker 2: sounds so cool. That's one thing, Yeah, we don't really
Speaker 2: talk about too often. It's like we we love like
Speaker 2: kind of like we love all genres that have that
Speaker 2: aesthetic I'm talking about, and we hear that in new soul. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not in every new soul song. But we've heard
Speaker 2: a few, you know, quite a few new soul songs
Speaker 2: that that bring that that beautiful sadness, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to have this be a song for us to do
Speaker 2: that kind of thing too. And it's a slightly different genre.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that Danselo died. We've been like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, like what you know, how do other
Speaker 1: people handle drums like differently than how we're doing it?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like that was a sad timing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyways, so yeah, we were kind of doing
Speaker 1: a little bit of a two thousands.
Speaker 2: Throwback, yeah, because that's even was its heyday too. But
Speaker 2: then but then like, since we're such big fans of
Speaker 2: Korean music production, they borrow from neo soul and songs
Speaker 2: from now too, and it doesn't sound dated, so it's
Speaker 2: just kind of whatever. It is. You know, it has
Speaker 2: a lot of inspirations and stuff, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's us totally.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: One of the things I thought was interesting about doing
Speaker 1: this song now is I felt like it really did
Speaker 1: kind of remind me of some of the stuff we're
Speaker 1: doing in the free and easy days. Not like the
Speaker 1: house songs.
Speaker 2: Obviously, but a little more way, more sophisticated.
Speaker 3: Way.
Speaker 1: Is like one thing going forever. Yeah, above survives one
Speaker 1: thing forever, like yeah, yeah, It's like I think kind
Speaker 1: of what I would have wanted to have done in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: But now we're still at our advance day age. We
Speaker 2: can look back and see, Yeah, we were growing as songwriters,
Speaker 2: growing as producers. You know that's cool. I mean people say, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to evolve musically as a creative
Speaker 2: when you're older, and it is. I'm not finding too.
Speaker 2: I feel more creative now than I have ever since,
Speaker 2: like like my my twenties or something.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot easier for us to focus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we have less distractions going on.
Speaker 2: Try. Yeah, And it's also easier too now that I
Speaker 2: don't have the limitations that I had in the nineties
Speaker 2: working on like say, eight tracks, really seven tracks of
Speaker 2: tape and you know.
Speaker 1: Primitive yeah in the nineties nine, and I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the two thousands, we were just barely learning how
Speaker 1: to do like.
Speaker 2: Label microphones, horrible outboard gears. So now we can make
Speaker 2: it sound sweet. You know, I'll put our vocal recording
Speaker 2: chain up. You know, I'll take the Petsy challenge against anyone.
Speaker 1: I think I've heard you say that before. It sounds
Speaker 1: really familiar. But what else did we want to say?
Speaker 2: Made a music visualized or video that I did too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that got the word out to more people.
Speaker 1: And actually a lot of people from Your Happy Healthy
Speaker 1: Vegan Live premiere came over and watched it with us,
Speaker 1: which was fun. We got a lot of comments from
Speaker 1: the Happy Thing.
Speaker 2: Speaking of comments, remember on nothing even Manners Anymore, Tom
Speaker 2: Lady commented something the effect like I don't think he
Speaker 2: was necessarily complaining, but just like made a come like wow,
Speaker 2: his songss have been pretty kind of melancholic lately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we've been going down a dark path. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we kind of promised that.
Speaker 2: On the last podcast. We said it's gonna it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's really we set the bar pretty look because I
Speaker 2: mean considered the last few songs are some of the
Speaker 2: most depressing ones of your Baby. Could have made anything,
Speaker 2: it probably would have been a little better, but we promised,
Speaker 2: and I think Without You is definitely a nice lift
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even though Brandon point out that there's
Speaker 1: you know, even though it is a love song, there
Speaker 1: is still like that.
Speaker 2: That's it's just because it's because of how I write.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't make a happy song. It's weird like people
Speaker 2: think of like Robert Smith the Cure of Gloom and Doom.
Speaker 2: He makes those gloom and doom songs? Did you make
Speaker 2: a really freaking happy song too? Which I can't? You know,
Speaker 2: so I must be more depressed than Robberie Smith.
Speaker 1: Probably the closest we got was actually on Freeenie's and
Speaker 1: when we Deep in My Soul would probably be one
Speaker 1: of our happiest.
Speaker 2: But what didn't Tom Lady come back? And Tom Lady
Speaker 2: did come back and comment on Without You?
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, thank you Tom. Yes, I know I've heard
Speaker 1: from Tom twice this week. Actually, he said very romantic
Speaker 1: and has promised reminiscent of the older albums I grew
Speaker 1: up with very nice song sweet.
Speaker 2: So he's an old time listener sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, like I mentioned at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, that's the or did I it's the
Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary of Free and Easy.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't mention that anniversary.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's the twentieth anniversary of Free and Easy. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, is it when we got the CDs and
Speaker 1: started selling them on our website or is it you know,
Speaker 1: once it got into the stores. The official street date
Speaker 1: was November first we got him and started selling We
Speaker 1: were already selling it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Remember yeah he
Speaker 1: already you know, had his going off to England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he always at first he was.
Speaker 1: Always so yeah. So yesterday I made like this big
Speaker 1: like post about it. I like, I did all this
Speaker 1: research and wrote like basically a historical blog post about
Speaker 1: love Survives and I made a little short what you
Speaker 1: can see here on YouTube. And uh so he commented
Speaker 1: on that one. Tom commented on that one. He said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, Love Sparts was actually my very first
Speaker 1: song I ever heard from you. I can't believe it's
Speaker 1: been so long.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if anyone you know could recognize that similarities
Speaker 1: between our brand new song and what we're doing twenty
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Tom for joining us on this long, strange trip that
Speaker 2: we've been on, and we have no intentions on stopping
Speaker 2: it totally. I tell you, got more songs ready to go.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ready to start recording vocals on another one
Speaker 2: I've been like working on really hard.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's gonna be a little.
Speaker 2: More throwback to our the past. I'll just leave it
Speaker 2: at that, and it's going to continue not being on
Speaker 2: the super gloomy trajectory of the previous year.
Speaker 1: But it's still melancholic.
Speaker 2: Makes sense to me. I can't write a happy song.
Speaker 2: There's something wrong with my brain.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm right there with you, which reminds me. We
Speaker 1: rewatched Only Lovers Left Alive, one of our.
Speaker 2: Favorite movies you guys haven't seen. It's a great movie
Speaker 2: to watch during the holidays. It's featured the holidays, the
Speaker 2: holidays to be the Halloween's the holidays. It's it's based
Speaker 2: it's Jim Jarr movie's very art house director had a
Speaker 2: lot of fame in the nineties. Anyway. Yeah, Tom Hidlston's
Speaker 2: main actor, He'll is the great Yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 2: just it's my one of my favorite movies all time.
Speaker 2: It's by far the best vampire related movie, and no
Speaker 2: where it's not a cheesy vampire movie whatsoever. It's it's
Speaker 2: basically a story about me.
Speaker 1: When I watched it, I saw it, I went and
Speaker 1: saw it at the theater alone, and I came back.
Speaker 1: I was like, baby, you have to see this movie,
Speaker 1: like it's totally you that.
Speaker 2: When I saw it about ten years ago, my jaw dropped. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's really cool. And now we'll watchet like most autumnal years,
Speaker 2: like times of the year, and I just we just
Speaker 2: saw I think last week I was just jaw dropped.
Speaker 2: I got God, I'm more like him now than ever. No,
Speaker 2: I'm like like more.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it was more like Eve and you were Adam.
Speaker 2: But we're both at him, which is not a good thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe but maybe not.
Speaker 2: Keep us honest, but watch this movie, guy, seriously, even
Speaker 2: if you have to have to pay two ninety nine
Speaker 2: to stream it, it's it's well worthy. It's such a
Speaker 2: it's in my digital It's definitely my list of top ten,
Speaker 2: maybe even top five movies of all time.
Speaker 1: So good. Tom Hiddleston crushes as the Goth.
Speaker 2: That's when I first heard of him, before I ever
Speaker 2: did a Marvel movie. Before he was Tom Hidleston. Like now,
Speaker 2: we saw him as an unrelatively unown actor and we
Speaker 2: were in love. Like this guy is awesome, awesome. And
Speaker 2: speaking of like anniversaries for us, we still have yet
Speaker 2: another musical anniversary this month.
Speaker 1: For us, right, yeah, I think it was just this
Speaker 1: week too.
Speaker 2: It was like back to back in two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven album Long Way from Home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's eighteen years. Yeah, yeah, eighteen years, eighteen years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: This month we dropped that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might remaster reissue that. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I started that project a while ago. It's on the backburn.
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, I have to get it
Speaker 2: out anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I definitely should wait two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe so maybe so we'll see. That might not
Speaker 2: be a bad idea, but yeah, if you haven't checked out,
Speaker 2: I'm check out. I'm really proud of that album. I
Speaker 2: think it's the album where you know, I finally I
Speaker 2: think set the musical direction, like we locked in the
Speaker 2: previous their first time to kind of like scattered a bit.
Speaker 2: I think we I think we locked in a cohesive
Speaker 2: sound finally on Long Way from Home, and it kind
Speaker 2: of set our momentum to where we're starting to at now.
Speaker 1: As many arguments to be made for sure.
Speaker 2: And I don't know some are. One of my favorite
Speaker 2: songs we've ever done, Lazy Love Days is on that album.
Speaker 1: The one that I promoted. Yeah, so I made it
Speaker 1: short for both of the anniversaries that you guys can
Speaker 1: watch here on YouTube or over on Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I just I did, like, you know, some photos
Speaker 1: from the photo shoots, and I chose Lazy Love Days. Awesome,
Speaker 1: after all these years, that's still the one. Like I
Speaker 1: hear you playing it all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking of like free and Easys anniversary. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite musical moments is on the closing
Speaker 2: song sand Castles. Oh really, yeah, I have that first. First,
Speaker 2: I have that jazzy guitar solo, which is really where
Speaker 2: I'm playing on some weird, fast jawsey stuff. But then
Speaker 2: after that it breaks down to this like Dorian Moody funk.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's super soulful. Speaking of soul music, it
Speaker 2: shows you this is not the first time we did
Speaker 2: it on Without You. I just love that soul jam
Speaker 2: and I just get these like kind of just really moody,
Speaker 2: kind of bb king, kind of a blue solo at dinner.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really magical moment. Yeah, recording it
Speaker 2: all lair, we got hand clapped go on, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that. And that's well. I mean,
Speaker 1: we did a full we did a full special podcast
Speaker 1: back when that album came out, which would definitely be
Speaker 1: worth listening to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about the making of that song. Yea.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing about sand Castles is that's another song
Speaker 1: that we started it like even before wind Blown Kiss.
Speaker 1: We even played it on the Windblow Kiss tour, but
Speaker 1: we didn't put it on the album. I think we
Speaker 1: thought it kind of stuck out. But then that recording,
Speaker 1: when you listen to that, compared to the recording that
Speaker 1: came out, you know two years later on Free and Easy,
Speaker 1: it's like a dug compared.
Speaker 2: So we got better, We got a lot try to
Speaker 2: get better.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Love Survives and because Love Survives from
Speaker 1: Free and Easy. We wrote that one before wind Blown Kiss,
Speaker 1: and just that recording is just not very good compared
Speaker 1: to the Free and Easy one. I didn't even put
Speaker 1: it on. It's an extra, you know, I did put
Speaker 1: I did put the original sand Castles as an extra
Speaker 1: though on band camp. If you buy the you get that.
Speaker 2: Well. I think it all fairness. The earlier recordings about
Speaker 2: those songs and one Little Kisses Falls falls into this
Speaker 2: category too. It was my first time really recording a
Speaker 2: bunch of songs not on tape, first time recording digitally,
Speaker 2: so it was a little bit of a learning curve
Speaker 2: and transition and changing some gear around. It takes a
Speaker 2: while to figure out if you're you know, old school
Speaker 2: analog recorders like I was, you know, switching to digital.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It opens up all these possibilities, but it
Speaker 2: changes some of the practices and workflows and just kind
Speaker 2: of the tones you get too.
Speaker 1: Well, you did start that with flux though, right.
Speaker 2: It was mainly tape with a couple, oh, with a
Speaker 2: with a synchronized little kind of mini disc kind of
Speaker 2: recorder digital for for mainly for vocals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you didn't have a fully computerized setup.
Speaker 2: It was. It was a hybrid setup, but more there
Speaker 2: were more non like digital tracks than digital tracks by far.
Speaker 1: So what did we use first, Like what's.
Speaker 2: We scored around first and like Q based.
Speaker 1: That's when we were making like ecstatic.
Speaker 2: And yeah and somehow not going along time make it short,
Speaker 2: but I had my card, my digital audio card was this.
Speaker 2: It was this interface that that digital design that makes
Speaker 2: a pool too is made so I can use other
Speaker 2: brands interfaces. But somehow they they changed their policy and
Speaker 2: felt bad, so they let me like upgrade to their
Speaker 2: pro tool system for quite a free deal. I abandoned
Speaker 2: q base and went into pro Tools. Yeah, and used
Speaker 2: that for the like yeah, wind blow and kiss, free
Speaker 2: and easy and long way from home. Then for future paths,
Speaker 2: switched to Logic Pro and I think I think that
Speaker 2: took a bigger that's a nice a bigger like better
Speaker 2: production because of switching the logic. And then just been
Speaker 2: using Logic ever since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah here for all your learning curve.
Speaker 2: You saw me when I moved across the street from
Speaker 2: all the place, I was fully digital.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's okay. So you started based post flux,
Speaker 1: yeah all right, yeah, soatitude static cana have spanning time.
Speaker 1: The first that would have been the first, uh love
Speaker 1: survives was on that system. Yeah, and then your computer
Speaker 1: died and we lost all the thought.
Speaker 2: We lost all your Yeah that was stupid. I was
Speaker 2: trying to upgrade the OS too soon, I think, so,
Speaker 2: so yeah, just now I'm I'm I'm super cautious now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now I'm inclined to never There's people that never upgrade
Speaker 2: their os' is on their production machines. What I do
Speaker 2: is I wait a year until it comes out. So
Speaker 2: like when ye like like say they put out the
Speaker 2: OS in October, I wait till the following October to upgrade.
Speaker 2: So everything's worked out, you know, any incompatibilities, driver issues,
Speaker 2: stuff like that bugs. So yeah, it's my way of
Speaker 2: doing it because I do like the new features. Like
Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of glad it upgraded the new
Speaker 2: logic pro. There's a new reverb be that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Not to say I needed another reverent, high end reverbs,
Speaker 2: but it was cool to get a nice one in
Speaker 2: the box. So I have to go to my outboard
Speaker 2: reverbs sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know, doing a little something different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually sounds good on on acoustic guitar. Usually
Speaker 2: you don't put reverbo on acoustic guitar, but this one
Speaker 2: has a nice national room sound. The quantach room simulator.
Speaker 2: Sounds cool.
Speaker 1: Speaking of acoustic guitar, you were doing all this deep
Speaker 1: dive into how to set up our mics to their
Speaker 1: best easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on this the next song that's coming out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar is super important, meaning it runs pretty much
Speaker 2: through the entire song, as opposed to on our most
Speaker 2: more recent songs it's usually like maybe a third of
Speaker 2: the song early comes in during the guitar sol. So
Speaker 2: this time I needed to have a nice, big, full sound.
Speaker 2: I needed to change some of my microphone techniques to
Speaker 2: get it working right. So I'm glad we waited so
Speaker 2: I got to experiment and get that right. That's how
Speaker 2: I was doing this week, just really going nuts on
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar micing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounding cool. Yeah, I'm planning to do something a
Speaker 1: little bit different myself, so we'll see how that all goes.
Speaker 1: It's just slue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some time to work on it starting this week.
Speaker 2: It's it was all ready to go. I just set
Speaker 2: up your microphone system a little different too, so we
Speaker 2: can get it's more on a boomstand now so we
Speaker 2: get a closer to you on the couch back there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we got some new systems in place.
Speaker 1: Very very cool. Oh you kind of see it right
Speaker 1: above my head. It looks like it's coming out of
Speaker 1: my head kind up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, yeah, so I mean, knock on wood. We should
Speaker 1: be able to get it out for the end of November, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope. So, yeah, we're s cruising along. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: already working on it.
Speaker 2: It'll definitely be out before the end of the year.
Speaker 1: After that, who knows what we're doing, but that's what
Speaker 1: we got going on now. Yeah, we'll definitely take you
Speaker 1: out today with a little bit of that visualizer video
Speaker 1: and uh, that's probably it for now. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: check it out. Check everything out over on band camp
Speaker 1: love sprowls at band camp dot com. Like I said,
Speaker 1: obviously the new single is there, but you can also
Speaker 1: check out the Free and Easy with like three extra tracks,
Speaker 1: including the two versions of sand Castles that we talked
Speaker 1: about today, only the new version of Love Survive. We
Speaker 1: actually have CDs left, believe it or not, CD not
Speaker 1: a Free and Easy that one's long gone, but the
Speaker 1: other one A long way from home. We've got some
Speaker 1: CDs left. Sent a couple of those out this week
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Alright, all right, guys, so think about.
Speaker 1: We thought of that, we're going to stay in the enda.
Speaker 3: Now I forgot it. A lot four