WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:07.799 Heymi and I'm Brian and we're Love Spiral. So welcome 2 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:12.880 to Chilling with Love Spirals Number one. Hiray, can you 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:13.439 believe it? 4 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:15.480 It's weird how we got so close and we stopped 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.879 podcasting for like a decade, but here are we hit one. 6 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.199 Hundred You know it was that long, right Yeah? Yeah? 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:23.079 And like, not only is this the first episode, it's 8 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:25.800 also the twentieth anniversary of the show. 9 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:27.239 Wow, I realize that. 10 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.920 Yeah, sweet, but actually I double checked right beforehand. It 11 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:32.679 looks like our first one came out in like June, 12 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:35.079 so we kind of going to start twentieth anniversary in June. 13 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:37.200 But you know, let's celebrate it now on one hundredth episode. 14 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.799 It'd celebrate everywhere. Are you got a glass of wine? Cheers? 15 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:45.840 Dust Ding ding d party? So yeah, so the Big 16 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.520 News got another new song out now, of course, or 17 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:51.280 would we even be doing this episodes? Here? 18 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.759 We are like on schedule about approximately a week or 19 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.640 so after its release. Yeah, it's to streaming media. 20 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.880 Yeah. So the song is called without You. Hopefully you've 21 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:06.159 already heard it. It dropped Monday, October twentieth on all 22 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:07.799 digital platforms, the. 23 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.120 Date Amazon Web Services went out, but we could talk 24 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:10.799 about that later. 25 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.079 No, we we were gonna talk about Well, I want 26 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:15.519 to say I thought I was being so clever trying out. 27 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:17.799 You know, normally we do it on Friday. There is 28 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:21.079 the whole like new music Friday thing. But I had 29 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.159 read somewhere that for indie bands like us, it might 30 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:27.680 be better to stagger it until Monday, so that more 31 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.760 people have a chance to like put you onto a 32 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.640 like a playlist, modify, or to write you up. 33 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:36.040 We could be bothered to experiment. 34 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.079 Yeah, so I thought, you know, it'd be cool. It 35 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:39.760 was kind of tough because on Friday, I was like 36 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:41.640 all anxious, like I want to get this up. People 37 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.120 are like buying old things on band camp. I'm like, oh, 38 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.920 they don't know. But yeah, so my plan was a dud. 39 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.319 Yeah we're supposed to know. Like about an hour or 40 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.680 two after it got released, went to bed and bam 41 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.319 we woke up. Amazon Web services down, brought down half 42 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.159 the Internet, including the streaming services and stuff. But anyway, 43 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:04.280 it seemed like picked back up. It just like frozen 44 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.159 wild for like half a day or yeah. 45 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.719 So, like we've noticed that when you schedule something to 46 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.719 come out on a day and actually you'll see it 47 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.919 go live at like midnight or nine, yeah, like the 48 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.560 night before. So we saw it go live. We saw 49 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.800 Without You go live on Sunday night, on Sunday night 50 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.080 on Apple and on Spotify, and I went ahead and 51 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.280 pushed it to band camp and I saw a couple 52 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.919 of sales come in Sunday night. We went to bed thinking, handle, 53 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.560 it's gonna be great. We're gonna wake up and there's 54 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.840 gonna be all this stuff. Now, the internet was so dead. 55 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.039 Where were you when Amazon Web Services crashed? 56 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:38.479 On? Oh? 57 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:43.120 Where were you? Yeah? So the long short of it 58 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:49.360 is that we didn't get onto any Spotify algorithmic playlist. Yeah, 59 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.280 And in fact, it wasn't until today that I finally 60 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.719 saw the song getting picked up by the algorithm playlet. 61 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:58.759 But I mean still, what was great was that, you know, 62 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.719 I could see, like ninety three some of the people 63 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.000 were going directly to our account on Spotify and listening. 64 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.240 So that means you guys are definitely seeing the posts 65 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.360 I'm making on social media like I had done, like 66 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.599 I had done a teaser and people seemed pretty excited 67 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.080 about that. And then I did like a little video 68 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.960 playing like twenty seconds of it, and yeah, so people 69 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:19.960 will find out about it directly through us. 70 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.560 It's all behaving normally now, just got off to a 71 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.719 weird start. So even though the chances of us having 72 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.960 another Monday release coinciding with Amazon Web Services coming down, 73 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:32.719 I think we're gonna go back to our Friday. 74 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.080 It just seems kind of weird about doing it online. 75 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.680 I agree, maybe we're setting our ways after doing it 76 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.439 for like all this time, but let's go. 77 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:41.680 Back to take new music. Monday's fine. 78 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.199 Going back to Friday. It just kind of feels right 79 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:45.319 to me to my gut too. 80 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.360 When do you guys expect to find news. 81 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:50.680 We're just going off our guts and vibes here. Let's 82 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:52.280 give us some data from Yeah. 83 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.560 Totally we're winging it all. Yeah. So anyways, Yeah, so 84 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.840 the first couple of days we were we're still able 85 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.759 to get like three thousand streams on spot but I 86 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.120 saw today we're over. Yeah, yeah, I think you know 87 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:04.960 everything's starting over. 88 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:06.280 Yeah, started to get back. 89 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:10.960 Massive update this Monday, a week after release. We got 90 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.520 picked up by the Spotify playlist and we had an 91 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:18.360 epic amount of streams in one day. So totally stoked 92 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.720 and maybe Monday is a good day to drop. I 93 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:21.000 don't know. 94 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.519 And I see you mentioned we got thirteen streams in 95 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.240 South Korea. 96 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.879 Yeah, I saw Okay is actually doing Really it's in 97 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.240 the forties, right, It's not like forty nine in Korea. 98 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.120 I mean, oh yeah, it's like forty to fifty streams 99 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:35.720 in South Korea. 100 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:36.360 Yeah, it does. 101 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.000 But it's like what you said, like fifty thousand, two. 102 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.279 Thousand streams total. And I saw it had like about 103 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.639 as many streams this week as the new song did. Yeah, 104 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.920 I'm glad that people are still digging Okay. 105 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:47.319 And it's picking up. 106 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.120 I love it. Yeah, yeah, you know, I was really 107 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.439 worried that, you know, people were not getting the song 108 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.439 because I did not hear from Brandon right away. 109 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.920 Oh yeah, yeah, he's as he gets back to you pretty. 110 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:00.800 Quickly, hung and I took a couple couple of days, yeah, 111 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.040 two or three. Yeah, but I'll just read part of 112 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.360 what he said. He said. I like how even in 113 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:11.720 a warm song expressing lots of love, there's still a 114 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.319 lot of talk about fears that feels on brand in 115 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.560 both directions. After how the last podcast discussion. 116 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.079 Went, would we talk about the last podcast? 117 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:21.959 I know I think we were talking about how we 118 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.040 had finally written the song. It was like, could we 119 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.079 get any more negative than nothing even matters anymore? 120 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.399 Yeah, And I hint to I said, our next one, 121 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.519 we'll go up a little bit as far as the 122 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.160 positivity or less negative vibe exactly. We know. 123 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.160 The funny thing is, though, the song we were talking 124 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:40.920 about in that last podcast isn't even the song that 125 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:41.560 we put out. 126 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.800 Oh, you're right right, We've kind of we had two 127 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.439 songs we could have pursued. We're doing that other one now, 128 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.439 but yeah, we decided to go with Without You first. 129 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.759 Somehow the vibes of that were just like, we're feeling 130 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:53.639 pretty strongly. 131 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:55.079 I want to ask you because like he had been 132 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.439 really into writing this other song so much so that 133 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.439 we were talking about in the last podcast, and then 134 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.720 all of a sudden I heard him working on you 135 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:03.600 know the song that became without You. Yeah, do you 136 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:04.959 remember how that even happened? 137 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.120 Yeah, it's it's a one of the older songs, like 138 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.920 from like the same kind of story as Boss Mode 139 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.759 is from a couple of years back. There might be 140 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:15.720 one or two more, but yeah, Boss was definitely one 141 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.920 of those, and Without You one of those where we 142 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:19.720 had a good idea, but I don't think we had 143 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.480 the skill and the ideas that to like really just 144 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.079 make it work, you know. So yeah, I wanted to 145 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:27.800 like pull that one up again. I knew we had 146 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.600 some good ideas and without you, so yeah, I did 147 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.480 a couple of things. I changed the key, I got 148 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.319 rid of some parts, I added some new parts, and 149 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.639 fun I started clicking together. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. One 150 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:39.720 one magic thing was lowered at a half step and 151 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.519 that clicked in with your voice better than the version. 152 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.439 Oh yeah, And it allowed me to do some voicings 153 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.199 on guitar way easier than it would have been otherwise. 154 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.639 So it all worked out. Yeah, Because there's a lot 155 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:53.560 of weird chords in this song. It's a lot of 156 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:55.120 jazzy chord extensions. 157 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.120 Yeah, I definitely want to talk about that. Like he 158 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.920 went off on this whole like journey of exploring all 159 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:02.000 these I do that. 160 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.759 In all my songs. I really like turnover, like just 161 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.120 turnover like ideas and trying to figure out what's the 162 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.160 best phrasing of a chord. 163 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.360 And you were doing all those diminished half diminished. 164 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.120 That's just one chord was crazy that was in the 165 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.040 original have diminish or the minor seven flat five, same 166 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.680 same chord, but yeah, they have diminish chord. Yeah it 167 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:24.680 was in the original one. 168 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.480 Okay. Yeah, he was like literally like watching YouTube videos 169 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.399 about like music theory and all this kind of stuff. 170 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:31.800 I've been watching some jazz. 171 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.839 In my music theory knowledge lately. Yeah, researching websites, turning ideas, 172 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.720 sometimes through like my local l L m oh. Yeah, 173 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:41.120 that's a. 174 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.439 Whole lot of Yeah. We went on this whole like 175 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:45.360 building our own AI at home. 176 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:46.360 Yeah. 177 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.800 But yeah, so we ended up I think I think 178 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.439 we slowed it down to tad more too. 179 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:53.480 I did slow it down a. 180 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.879 Couple of Yeah, we slowed it down a bit, and 181 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.240 then we wrote a whole new section for it that 182 00:07:58.279 --> 00:07:58.959 we didn't have before. 183 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.120 Yeah. Before it's just the same chords over and over, 184 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.480 like on loop. But when we do that, we tend 185 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.560 to like add things into different sections, give the parents 186 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.480 in reverse, maybe a pre chorus a chorus kind of thing. 187 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.519 But this time I have on my chord exploration, I 188 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.120 came up with the A section chords, which we didn't 189 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:15.600 have before. 190 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.079 Yeah, I've always spent quite a bit of time figuring 191 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:18.439 that out. 192 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.800 So I tried it. My whole goal and putting chords 193 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.720 together is to get a sequence of chords or several 194 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.360 sequence of chords that have this certain kind of aesthetic. 195 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.079 I was just talking to you about this have such 196 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.160 a weird aesthetics. It's weird for me, not weird, but 197 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.480 for you guys, maybe it's just very particular sensibility that's 198 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:36.720 beautiful sadness. 199 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:37.360 Yeah. 200 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.919 You know a lot of it involves like having jazzy 201 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.000 or extensions on the course, not for the sake of 202 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.120 being jazzy per se. You don't listen to our music 203 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.559 that sounds like bebop or something like that, you know, 204 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.679 but just to get those pretty notes that you don't 205 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.399 hear like in rock and roll coorse Yeah, true, Yeah, 206 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.320 adding a ninth or eleventh or whatever, you know, notes 207 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:57.759 that people don't put on. 208 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.000 Yeah. So he's like, you know, we're working on getting like, okay, 209 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:02.879 so we want we don't want this to do one 210 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:04.799 thing all the way through, like like Love Survived It 211 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.240 or something like, we want these different sections. And then 212 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.320 it's like, okay, so which sections are going to be 213 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.879 getting which lyrics? You know, so to figure out which 214 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:14.440 which of these things we're working on, is gonna be 215 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.120 the chorus, Whi's gonna be the verse? And then like 216 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.440 we've been a little bit more into pre courses lately 217 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:23.600 and pages. So yeah, so we ended up with that bridge. 218 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.879 And then oh yeah, so I mentioned in the pr 219 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:29.919 on I think band camps were the only place that 220 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.200 mentions it, but the lyrics in this song were I 221 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.799 was original winding. I'm like back in two thousand and three, 222 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.639 I had like a short lived online collaboration. I was 223 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.080 steering with some guy going by the name of Realm. 224 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:45.120 That never happened, and he disappeared off the face of 225 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.639 the earth. I have no idea where he is now. 226 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:47.879 I'm still here, I know. 227 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:53.080 So yeah, So I've written this song and originally said 228 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.080 I don't want to see our love oh slowly unravel, 229 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:02.000 But then I so I change that to slowly slip away. 230 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.399 I thought sounded more. Yeah, I love I like to sound. 231 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.279 And then so when it came time for the bridge 232 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.480 in this brand new iteration of the song, I told 233 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.679 you guys, sometimes I just find little different things that 234 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.240 I have. Well it used to be in a book, 235 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:18.799 but now they're my phone. So I found like a 236 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:23.240 poem that I've written and I use that and yeah, yeah, 237 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.720 we've been doing all these like trippy different kinds of 238 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.720 spoken word or song, you know, like kind of sung 239 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.320 rap bridges. So that's what that was. And then I 240 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.360 remember when I was laying down those vocals, I was like, 241 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.120 is this cool? Or is this is this? Are people 242 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.519 to think it's whack? Like I put so much like 243 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:44.480 soulfulness into it and like these kind of weird chord things. 244 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.360 I think I was kind of in the back of 245 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.039 my mind kind of thinking like Erica Bado or something 246 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:51.679 like that, that. 247 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.879 We're both like in our minds. I don't know how 248 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.799 familiar a lot of you guys are with like New 249 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.279 Soul or New Soul. 250 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.320 Or especially we're talking about like two thousands all that. 251 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.879 I was, yeah, yeah, I was. I was taking cues 252 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.559 from in the production, not the song, about the production, 253 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.039 like you know, what kind of snare should I have? 254 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.600 The drums were a little tricky this time. 255 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.080 Yeah, because that's not my my my forte. But I 256 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.240 think I got got it working. I'm pretty happy. I 257 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:18.960 like it when the when the snare drum comes in 258 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.440 after the rim shot in the in the pre chorus 259 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.720 had Yeah, and that in the horns, you know, just 260 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.559 sounds so cool. That's one thing, Yeah, we don't really 261 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:29.480 talk about too often. It's like we we love like 262 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.240 kind of like we love all genres that have that 263 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.759 aesthetic I'm talking about, and we hear that in new soul. Yeah. No, 264 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.960 I'm not in every new soul song. But we've heard 265 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.879 a few, you know, quite a few new soul songs 266 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.440 that that bring that that beautiful sadness, and I wanted 267 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:47.080 to have this be a song for us to do 268 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.200 that kind of thing too. And it's a slightly different genre. 269 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:57.080 I can't believe that Danselo died. We've been like, yeah, yeah, 270 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:58.960 like you know, like what you know, how do other 271 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.960 people handle drums like differently than how we're doing it? 272 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.960 So yeah, it was like that was a sad timing. 273 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.559 But yeah, anyways, so yeah, we were kind of doing 274 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.759 a little bit of a two thousands. 275 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.879 Throwback, yeah, because that's even was its heyday too. But 276 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.399 then but then like, since we're such big fans of 277 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:23.559 Korean music production, they borrow from neo soul and songs 278 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.960 from now too, and it doesn't sound dated, so it's 279 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.440 just kind of whatever. It is. You know, it has 280 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.000 a lot of inspirations and stuff, but you know, it's 281 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.159 it's us totally. 282 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:31.320 Well. 283 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.039 One of the things I thought was interesting about doing 284 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.399 this song now is I felt like it really did 285 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.480 kind of remind me of some of the stuff we're 286 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.000 doing in the free and easy days. Not like the 287 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:41.960 house songs. 288 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.360 Obviously, but a little more way, more sophisticated. 289 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:46.759 Way. 290 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.039 Is like one thing going forever. Yeah, above survives one 291 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.960 thing forever, like yeah, yeah, It's like I think kind 292 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.679 of what I would have wanted to have done in 293 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:56.840 two thousand and five. 294 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.759 But now we're still at our advance day age. We 295 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:04.000 can look back and see, Yeah, we were growing as songwriters, 296 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.279 growing as producers. You know that's cool. I mean people say, like, 297 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:12.799 you know, it's hard to evolve musically as a creative 298 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.840 when you're older, and it is. I'm not finding too. 299 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.759 I feel more creative now than I have ever since, 300 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.919 like like my my twenties or something. 301 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:25.679 I feel like it's a lot easier for us to focus. Yeah, 302 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:27.639 you know, we have less distractions going on. 303 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.840 Try. Yeah, And it's also easier too now that I 304 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.279 don't have the limitations that I had in the nineties 305 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.840 working on like say, eight tracks, really seven tracks of 306 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:37.679 tape and you know. 307 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.679 Primitive yeah in the nineties nine, and I like, yeah, 308 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.320 in the two thousands, we were just barely learning how 309 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:44.080 to do like. 310 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.000 Label microphones, horrible outboard gears. So now we can make 311 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.000 it sound sweet. You know, I'll put our vocal recording 312 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.480 chain up. You know, I'll take the Petsy challenge against anyone. 313 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:54.720 I think I've heard you say that before. It sounds 314 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.919 really familiar. But what else did we want to say? 315 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:02.639 Made a music visualized or video that I did too. 316 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.200 Yeah, So that got the word out to more people. 317 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.559 And actually a lot of people from Your Happy Healthy 318 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.720 Vegan Live premiere came over and watched it with us, 319 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.799 which was fun. We got a lot of comments from 320 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:13.559 the Happy Thing. 321 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:17.039 Speaking of comments, remember on nothing even Manners Anymore, Tom 322 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.519 Lady commented something the effect like I don't think he 323 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.120 was necessarily complaining, but just like made a come like wow, 324 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.679 his songss have been pretty kind of melancholic lately. 325 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.919 Yeah, you know, we've been going down a dark path. Yeah, 326 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.720 and we kind of promised that. 327 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.840 On the last podcast. We said it's gonna it's hard. 328 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.279 It's really we set the bar pretty look because I 329 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.360 mean considered the last few songs are some of the 330 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.320 most depressing ones of your Baby. Could have made anything, 331 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:43.279 it probably would have been a little better, but we promised, 332 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.879 and I think Without You is definitely a nice lift 333 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:47.360 back up. 334 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.559 Yeah, I mean, even though Brandon point out that there's 335 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:51.480 you know, even though it is a love song, there 336 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.320 is still like that. 337 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.879 That's it's just because it's because of how I write. 338 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:56.440 I can't. 339 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.679 I can't make a happy song. It's weird like people 340 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.320 think of like Robert Smith the Cure of Gloom and Doom. 341 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.440 He makes those gloom and doom songs? Did you make 342 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.440 a really freaking happy song too? Which I can't? You know, 343 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.279 so I must be more depressed than Robberie Smith. 344 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.159 Probably the closest we got was actually on Freeenie's and 345 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.480 when we Deep in My Soul would probably be one 346 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:14.200 of our happiest. 347 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:17.320 But what didn't Tom Lady come back? And Tom Lady 348 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.799 did come back and comment on Without You? 349 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.559 Right, Yes, thank you Tom. Yes, I know I've heard 350 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.120 from Tom twice this week. Actually, he said very romantic 351 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.519 and has promised reminiscent of the older albums I grew 352 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.519 up with very nice song sweet. 353 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.200 So he's an old time listener sweet. 354 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.120 Yeah. Yeah. In fact, like I mentioned at the top 355 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.320 of the show, that's the or did I it's the 356 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.000 twentieth anniversary of Free and Easy. 357 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:42.519 No, you didn't mention that anniversary. 358 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:42.840 I did. 359 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.679 Okay, it's the twentieth anniversary of Free and Easy. You know. 360 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.960 It's like, is it when we got the CDs and 361 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.919 started selling them on our website or is it you know, 362 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.679 once it got into the stores. The official street date 363 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.240 was November first we got him and started selling We 364 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:01.440 were already selling it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Remember yeah he 365 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:03.519 already you know, had his going off to England. 366 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.759 Yeah, he always at first he was. 367 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.639 Always so yeah. So yesterday I made like this big 368 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.399 like post about it. I like, I did all this 369 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.919 research and wrote like basically a historical blog post about 370 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.399 love Survives and I made a little short what you 371 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.559 can see here on YouTube. And uh so he commented 372 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:28.480 on that one. Tom commented on that one. He said, uh, 373 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:31.720 you know what, Love Sparts was actually my very first 374 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.840 song I ever heard from you. I can't believe it's 375 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:34.440 been so long. 376 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:34.919 Wow. 377 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:39.639 Yeah, So if anyone you know could recognize that similarities 378 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.639 between our brand new song and what we're doing twenty 379 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:42.039 years ago. 380 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.840 Tom for joining us on this long, strange trip that 381 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.200 we've been on, and we have no intentions on stopping 382 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.960 it totally. I tell you, got more songs ready to go. 383 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.720 Oh yeah, ready to start recording vocals on another one 384 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:57.679 I've been like working on really hard. 385 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.080 Absolutely, it's gonna be a little. 386 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:02.679 More throwback to our the past. I'll just leave it 387 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.480 at that, and it's going to continue not being on 388 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:09.119 the super gloomy trajectory of the previous year. 389 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:10.440 But it's still melancholic. 390 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.759 Makes sense to me. I can't write a happy song. 391 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:14.079 There's something wrong with my brain. 392 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.240 Well, I'm right there with you, which reminds me. We 393 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.119 rewatched Only Lovers Left Alive, one of our. 394 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.160 Favorite movies you guys haven't seen. It's a great movie 395 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.480 to watch during the holidays. It's featured the holidays, the 396 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:28.240 holidays to be the Halloween's the holidays. It's it's based 397 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.519 it's Jim Jarr movie's very art house director had a 398 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.119 lot of fame in the nineties. Anyway. Yeah, Tom Hidlston's 399 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:38.400 main actor, He'll is the great Yeah, and it's it's 400 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.200 just it's my one of my favorite movies all time. 401 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.359