Speaker 1: Hey, this is Cliff, your host of birth Ancients, and
Speaker 1: today we're going to the ancient past and we're looking
Speaker 1: at systems of chronicling age like the Yugas, like astrology
Speaker 1: and other wisdom, ancient wisdom traditions that give us a
Speaker 1: sense of how to work with the cosmos, but also.
Speaker 2: Where we've been and where we're going. And I got
Speaker 2: to tell you, I am excited we're going to be.
Speaker 2: We're going to be in Egypt in a few days.
Speaker 2: And every time I go there, I'm astounded at the
Speaker 2: sophistication of not only the sculpture, but of the buildings,
Speaker 2: the temples, and and also the pyramid. And this is
Speaker 2: you know, if you haven't been there, there's no way
Speaker 2: to know to understand the scale of the Giza Pyramids.
Speaker 2: They are just enormous. And there's really no way that
Speaker 2: I can see technologically that the Proonic period the Pharaohs
Speaker 2: built these pyramids. They're just too damn tall. They're three
Speaker 2: hundred feet in the air and the average block weighs
Speaker 2: two tons. There's just no way that they were built
Speaker 2: or conceived. That's the bigger thing. Who who conceives of
Speaker 2: these monstrosities of stone? And then if you go inside,
Speaker 2: if you're lucky enough to go inside. The intricacies of
Speaker 2: the stonework are also curious. So when these when were
Speaker 2: they built, Who built them, and who conceived who was
Speaker 2: intelligent enough to conceive of the engineering prowess and use
Speaker 2: that prowess in building the pyramids and the temples and
Speaker 2: these megalithic colossi statues. I mean, when you go to Egypt,
Speaker 2: you're just dumbfounded. It's like you're stunned. You're stunned into silence.
Speaker 2: And we're led to believe by the Egyptologists that these
Speaker 2: are crafted by people who are living living very rudimentary lifestyles.
Speaker 2: They're not that sophisticated. There are artifacts that are seemingly sophisticated.
Speaker 2: But my belief, and I mentioned this all the time,
Speaker 2: my belief is that the Egyptians inherited, they found these temples.
Speaker 2: We know this as a fact. We know that Ramsey's
Speaker 2: the big usurper, the big copier, the big egotist, placed
Speaker 2: his cartouche on literally hundreds of statues, temples and buildings,
Speaker 2: and I'm surprised he didn't scratch off Cufu's name and
Speaker 2: claimed that the Great pyramid was his work. Really, the
Speaker 2: guy's ego is just beyond measure. But the thing that
Speaker 2: we want to know is, and before I go on,
Speaker 2: because Ramseys and these other pharaohs claimed these pre dynastic
Speaker 2: buildings and sculptures, we were confused. We're really confused. And
Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed at archaeology, at Egyptology for not
Speaker 2: looking a little closer at this and seeing that. Wait
Speaker 2: a minute, if we compare two statues from the same period,
Speaker 2: are they from the same artists group, and likely they're not.
Speaker 2: The big colossi that I'm fascinated by are not from
Speaker 2: any Pharonic period. They're just too enormous, and even the
Speaker 2: Abu Sabil colossi are beyond anything that the artisans of
Speaker 2: that time period, New Kingdom time period. There is no
Speaker 2: way they could have done it. And AI is reporting
Speaker 2: this now. There's very very good evidence for them enhancing
Speaker 2: it with sculptures around the big colossi. But when you
Speaker 2: look at it up close, and I have had an
Speaker 2: opportunity to see it a couple of times, these things
Speaker 2: are monstrosities. And they didn't have the cutting tools to
Speaker 2: define and to carve these sculptures. But who did And
Speaker 2: that's the question where face with today? What was the period?
Speaker 2: Now we know that the you guys talk about cycles
Speaker 2: of time of mankind and they get into tens of thousands,
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of years in the distant past. We
Speaker 2: don't know because there's no way to carbon date or
Speaker 2: predict how old many of these sculptures are. But they're
Speaker 2: not phuronic. They're much earlier than that. And one of
Speaker 2: the things I'm going to be excited to do to
Speaker 2: do I'll do it over a couple of days, if
Speaker 2: not more, is you know, photograph these statues that are
Speaker 2: in the new Grand Egyptian Museum, but also go through
Speaker 2: the various departments and see what's new. And I think
Speaker 2: what happens with our historians is that they see these
Speaker 2: things so often they just get jaded. And it's really
Speaker 2: important to get a new set of eyes. And this
Speaker 2: is where engineers like Chris.
Speaker 3: Dun and.
Speaker 2: John duart Read and others are important contributors to our
Speaker 2: understanding of the ancient past. So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: So we need to be more open to the possibilities
Speaker 2: and you know, and it's just a real challenge to
Speaker 2: go over there. Sometimes in the Egypt, because you're dealing
Speaker 2: with a society is a couple of decades behind the
Speaker 2: times scientifically as well, and it's depressing. So I had
Speaker 2: to kind of turn my mind off to that and
Speaker 2: enjoy the artifacts, the buildings, the ruins, and the people
Speaker 2: that I travel with, which is really great fun. So
Speaker 2: today we're focusing on a new book is called Astrological
Speaker 2: Ages and the Galactic Center Ancient Wisdom for this Time
Speaker 2: of Transition, and my guest is Heather m Endsworth. We're
Speaker 2: featuring a new book this week. It's on not only astrology,
Speaker 2: but it's on the cosmos and yugas and all kinds
Speaker 2: of really cool material. But it also is focused on
Speaker 2: the ancients and how they were aware, much more aware
Speaker 2: of the universe than we are today. The books called
Speaker 2: Astrological Ages and the Galactic Center Ancient Wisdom for this
Speaker 2: Time of Transition. That's a lot to bite into, but
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this book is excellent and I am
Speaker 2: really enjoying what I've been reading so far. The author
Speaker 2: is Heather Ainsworth. She is an astrologer, a clinical psychologist
Speaker 2: with a background and cultural anthropology, and that's an interesting topic.
Speaker 2: We want to talk a little bit about that as well,
Speaker 2: and so I think you're really going to enjoy this. So, Heather,
Speaker 2: welcome to Earth Ancient. Is great to have you on
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Cliff, it's great to be here.
Speaker 4: I love your program.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Hey, I want to talk about you first,
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist anthropologist that's pretty academic. What was the transition
Speaker 2: to this topic because you're dealing with systems as a
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist, you're dealing with anthropology, which has firm stop.
Speaker 2: So I deal with archaeologists all the time, and when
Speaker 2: I say firm stops, it's like, we don't believe there's
Speaker 2: any evidence of civilization before this date, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? So to talk about your transition from or
Speaker 2: are you still practicing or what kind of work are
Speaker 2: you doing now?
Speaker 4: I'm primarily doing astrological work now, teaching, doing readings, but
Speaker 4: I weave in obviously my background in clinical psychology and
Speaker 4: my writing and my interests are very much around this
Speaker 4: whole different understanding of our human history and the advanced
Speaker 4: ancient cultures of the past that have so much wisdom
Speaker 4: to bring us in this current time of transition that
Speaker 4: we're in.
Speaker 2: Was there a book a travel time, a experience that
Speaker 2: led you to be more locked then to this work.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a great question. I was very influenced
Speaker 4: by starting to travel to different ancient sacred sites. I
Speaker 4: have a background in cultural anthropology and almost went in
Speaker 4: that direction professionally, except I didn't like what that would
Speaker 4: mean in terms of more and more the options in
Speaker 4: cultural anthropology are looking at how indigenous cultures are being
Speaker 4: destroyed by modern Western cultures. But I was really fascinated
Speaker 4: with ancient sacred sites in Peru, in Egypt, in different
Speaker 4: parts of the globe, and it was visiting those sites.
Speaker 4: I remember very powerful experiencing that in my first trip
Speaker 4: to Peru, where I realized these sites are both much
Speaker 4: more ancient than they're presented as being. And I actually
Speaker 4: when I went to Pera was being taken around by
Speaker 4: an archaeologist, a Peruvian archaeologist, who said, look, this is
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to tell you, and this is what
Speaker 4: I actually believe.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. So he's like a
Speaker 2: local who's like, look, this is how I was raised,
Speaker 2: this is what is in my heart, Here's what I've
Speaker 2: been told to say. This is kind of.
Speaker 4: Exactly, but he showed us how ancient these sites were,
Speaker 4: dating back ten twelve thousand years, and the level of
Speaker 4: advanced technology, and as you know, doing all your trips
Speaker 4: to Egypt, we see that in Egypt also, and the
Speaker 4: most ancient sites there are clearly the most sophisticated and
Speaker 4: the most advanced in terms of their understanding of astronomy, mathematics, technology.
Speaker 4: So that got me intrigued and started me in that
Speaker 4: whole exploration of Graham Hancock's and Robert Bovall and Robert Shock,
Speaker 4: the realization that our whole modern Western understanding of history
Speaker 4: is an illusion.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Did you have a transition period where you're like,
Speaker 2: this is too much meaning for me, I can't keep
Speaker 2: doing my earlier work, or an aha moment in your work.
Speaker 4: Well, I was on a track of professionally being a
Speaker 4: clinical psychologist and really took that as far as I
Speaker 4: could in terms of my training, in terms of my work.
Speaker 4: I was very in a very successful private practice when
Speaker 4: at age thirty eight, I had this very powerful mystical
Speaker 4: experience in which I heard of voice within that basically
Speaker 4: said you need to leave your life as you've known
Speaker 4: it or you will die. Oh my God, And I
Speaker 4: knew in every fiber of my being that was true,
Speaker 4: and that's what led me to leave the path I
Speaker 4: was on. I was in private practice in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: I closed my practice, sold my home, moved across the country,
Speaker 4: went into this very prolonged liminal period of Then I
Speaker 4: just started exploring ancient wisdom traditions, ancient healing traditions. That's
Speaker 4: what led me into more and more of the traveling
Speaker 4: to ancient sacred sites, studying shamanism, herbalism, ended up studying astrology.
Speaker 4: That's when all of that unfolded.
Speaker 2: That's a big shift. You must have been wondering what's
Speaker 2: going on. I love those kind of stories because they
Speaker 2: set the stage for future work, and obviously this book
Speaker 2: comes out of that that change. I don't think that
Speaker 2: you could have written in the same passion that you
Speaker 2: would have tried to do as a clinical psychologist. You
Speaker 2: would have been a different book. Yes, exactly did you
Speaker 2: start a meditative practice at all? I mean, what's your
Speaker 2: practice now? May I ask?
Speaker 4: I had always been very much on a spiritual path
Speaker 4: all of my life, But really that transition was not
Speaker 4: only leaving clinical psychology, but a few years before that,
Speaker 4: leaving the religious background I had grown up in then
Speaker 4: really opening to other forms of spirituality, and some of
Speaker 4: my practice is very much incorporates meditation shamanic practices, the
Speaker 4: ancient medicine will practice is very important to me.
Speaker 2: Before we started, you said that you go to different places?
Speaker 2: Do you lead to.
Speaker 4: I have led many tours to Egypt wonderful, led a
Speaker 4: tour to some of the ancient sites in Ireland, and
Speaker 4: I'm contemplating doing one.
Speaker 2: To Peru fantastic. I hope you do them. They're great.
Speaker 2: Your book connects astrology, cosmology and consciousness. What is the
Speaker 2: core thesis that you want the reader to take away
Speaker 2: from that?
Speaker 4: It's really about remembering this ancient wisdom which was this
Speaker 4: deep understanding of the processional cycle. And as you and
Speaker 4: I were talking about before we got on the recording,
Speaker 4: I'm friends with Bibu Dev Misra. I really see the
Speaker 4: connection between the processional cycle and the Hindu Yuga cycle
Speaker 4: in their description of our going through this twenty fourth
Speaker 4: year cycle, and it is a cycle of ascending consciousness
Speaker 4: and descending consciousness. And also both Bibpoo Dev Misra and
Speaker 4: I talk about the critical crisis points in that cycle
Speaker 4: are the midpoint, which twelve thousand years ago was when
Speaker 4: we had the younger, driest crisis and the end point
Speaker 4: of the cycle and beginning of a new one, which
Speaker 4: is where we are now. And then there are other
Speaker 4: crisis points, less extreme at the six thousand year marker,
Speaker 4: but there are times of earth changes and shifts and
Speaker 4: consciousness between the ages, and at these critical times of shift,
Speaker 4: but especially every twelve thousand years. So the ancient cultures
Speaker 4: understood that we go through this cycle, understood how it
Speaker 4: affects our consciousness, but also understood how critical it is
Speaker 4: when we're at these times of radical change. And that's
Speaker 4: where we are as humanity now. And I truly believe
Speaker 4: this is a karmaic choice point for us as humanity.
Speaker 4: We have the opportunity to remember who we truly are,
Speaker 4: what our history has been, this evolution of consciousness that
Speaker 4: we've been through, and have the opportunity, as the Peruvian
Speaker 4: Shawmans would say, to make an evolutionary shift into a
Speaker 4: whole new way of being human, or we could go
Speaker 4: through another cataclysmic crisis like we did twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: So it's a critical time and that a lot of
Speaker 4: my book is trying to bring this into our awareness,
Speaker 4: to support our being more conscious of this profound transition
Speaker 4: time that we're in, and how we can work that
Speaker 4: in a way that can be healing and transformational for
Speaker 4: us all.
Speaker 2: Now, I am a big advocate of the Yugas. Are
Speaker 2: you following the Shri Yukaswar version or are you using
Speaker 2: the traditional version, because there's a slight shift in the timeline,
Speaker 2: and I think Yukoshor, which is what I follow, believes
Speaker 2: we're instilled in Cali Yuga, which is the lowest point
Speaker 2: in humanity.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, well you know, and Bibu Dev Misras based most
Speaker 4: of his work on his version, but he strongly believes
Speaker 4: we ended the Kaliyuka in March. That's right live, and
Speaker 4: I fully agree with him. What's so fascinating is working
Speaker 4: with his model of the Hindu Yuga cycle and then
Speaker 4: my astrological understanding, it really all lines up. And we've
Speaker 4: been in such powerful shifts astrologically that really align with
Speaker 4: the sense that we're now coming out of the Caleyuga.
Speaker 4: And part of what I think we're seeing on the
Speaker 4: planet right now is that we're in that transition time
Speaker 4: and it means moving into radically new paradigms and systems
Speaker 4: and structures. The Aquarian age is about equality, community collaboration.
Speaker 4: It's about moving away from power over hierarchical dynamics. But
Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing on the planet right now
Speaker 4: are the last gasps of that effort to cling to
Speaker 4: the old power over paradigms, while at the same time
Speaker 4: we're seeing this increasing consciousness, increasing interests in spirituality, a
Speaker 4: lot of shifts into more of the aquarian paradigms.
Speaker 2: I think that's positive, but I think we're at the
Speaker 2: We're in a pretty dark place right now globally, with
Speaker 2: our political system here in the United States kind of
Speaker 2: influencing everyone else. And I'm a little torn between Yugas
Speaker 2: War's version of the Yugas and the original version. And
Speaker 2: I'm curious when you say we're coming out or we're
Speaker 2: entering this new phase, what do you see as I mean,
Speaker 2: you mentioned people are getting more conscious or perhaps meditating,
Speaker 2: they're more open, but is there other profound governmental shifts
Speaker 2: that you can discuss that as part of the next phase.
Speaker 4: Well, I totally agree with you that we're in such
Speaker 4: an incredibly dark time on the planet and an incredibly
Speaker 4: turbulent time and from my perspective, what we're seeing, which
Speaker 4: is from my view, part of the shift out of
Speaker 4: the Cali Yuga, is all these systems and structures that
Speaker 4: have been intact in that power over paradigm are all
Speaker 4: beginning to deconstruct. Everything is in chaos. Our political systems,
Speaker 4: our educational systems, are healthcare systems, are economic systems. That's
Speaker 4: I think the turbulence of the transition that we're in
Speaker 4: and what gives me a sense of hope is both
Speaker 4: a lot of what I learned from the Peruvian Shamans
Speaker 4: about this is a time. They call it the time
Speaker 4: of the Paschakuti, when the world turns upside down, and
Speaker 4: they didn't mean that in terms of a literal pull shift,
Speaker 4: but that everything is getting restructured, reconfigured. So it is
Speaker 4: a time of turbulence, but for them it's a time
Speaker 4: where there's this opening for the potential of an evolutionary
Speaker 4: leap in who we are as humanity. But we're needing
Speaker 4: to deconstruct the patterns of the past, realize how destructive
Speaker 4: and dysfunctional they are. I mean, as a clinical psychologist,
Speaker 4: I think some of what we're seeing in the collective
Speaker 4: consciousness is what's getting mirrored back to us and reflected
Speaker 4: back to us is the extreme shadow aspects of who
Speaker 4: we've been as humanity and what we're capable of trying
Speaker 4: to everything's on the surface right now to help us
Speaker 4: see that, heal that, and open to moving in radically
Speaker 4: new directions. And as a clinical psychologist, my specialty years
Speaker 4: ago when I was in full time practice was working
Speaker 4: with trauma, and I would work with people over a
Speaker 4: period of years to work through the trauma of the past.
Speaker 4: My experience now with the people that I work with
Speaker 4: is there is such an accelerated possibility of healing. Now.
Speaker 4: We're opening up to new understandings of shamanic healing, energy healing,
Speaker 4: ancient healing traditions, new and energy systems. There's such an
Speaker 4: increasing from my perspective, openness to spirituality and an interest
Speaker 4: in higher consciousness in ways that I've never seen before.
Speaker 4: So that's happening simultaneously that the world is deconstructing in chaos.
Speaker 2: You say, we're also getting help because you believe the
Speaker 2: universe is sentient and guiding evolution, which I really like.
Speaker 2: And it is a topic that comes up when we
Speaker 2: talk about artificial intelligence. Is eventual growth into sentience, but
Speaker 2: explain what you mean by sentience. The universe providing us
Speaker 2: guidance and being much more available.
Speaker 4: For me as an astrologer, it's been exquisite to see
Speaker 4: some of the shifts that are happening astrologically, the ways
Speaker 4: in which we're getting these increasing solar energies, which we
Speaker 4: know now activate the pineal gland, support our opening to
Speaker 4: more spiritual awareness. As Bibuud dev Miser talks about the
Speaker 4: Galactic Center reactivated in twenty twenty four that activates these
Speaker 4: galactic cosmic rays that support our increase in consciousness, I
Speaker 4: feel like there is there are so many ways the
Speaker 4: Earth herself and the cosmos are trying to support us,
Speaker 4: guide us into waking up and being in this transformational process.
Speaker 4: And one of my biggest regrets is that Three Eye
Speaker 4: Atlas came after I finished my book. When I've tracked
Speaker 4: Three Ie Atlas, its entry into our awareness, its movement
Speaker 4: through the solar system, the correlation of that with messages
Speaker 4: about the processional cycle really mind blowing for me. It's
Speaker 4: almost as if the Cosmos is putting out in neon lights,
Speaker 4: this is the process that you're in. This is how
Speaker 4: you can heal and transform. Wake Up, Wake Up.
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Speaker 2: all controlled by energy and systems and tracked by programs
Speaker 2: like the Yugas you get funny. We've had doctor Avi
Speaker 2: Love on the program a couple of different times talking
Speaker 2: about three Atlas. What do you see? It's still happening,
Speaker 2: it's still moving. Do you believe it's a craft of
Speaker 2: some kind or do you actually think it's an asteroid
Speaker 2: that just bring is bringing in certain energies to our cosmos.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I think it could be
Speaker 4: a highly advanced galactic civilization that's trying to support us
Speaker 4: in this shift. But I also do believe and Stefan
Speaker 4: Burns and I talk a lot about this that if
Speaker 4: you see everything in the cosmos as having consciousness, then
Speaker 4: whether this was a craft or it is a cosmic
Speaker 4: galactic being that's bringing its messages into our solar system.
Speaker 4: Either way, what it's been communicating has been absolutely exquisite.
Speaker 4: I mean, just as an example, it entered our awareness
Speaker 4: in the stars of Ophiucus. Part of what I talk
Speaker 4: about in the book is the importance of that constellation
Speaker 4: as symbolic. It is the Serpent Bearer, it is the
Speaker 4: Great Healer. It is symbolic of the integration of sacred
Speaker 4: masculine and sacred feminine and wisdom. It is the constellation
Speaker 4: over Scorpius, which was the constellation that marked the entry
Speaker 4: into the Golden Age. So three Ales comes in in
Speaker 4: the stars of Ophiucus, guiding us to heal, to reintegrate
Speaker 4: the sacred feminine and the sacred masculine. It then moved
Speaker 4: through the constellations that were associated with the Golden Age,
Speaker 4: the Satya Yuga. Then it activates Mars, acts of it
Speaker 4: comes close to the Sun, it activates Venus, all in
Speaker 4: correlation across its passes with all the planets Earth, Jupiter,
Speaker 4: with New moons or full moons, and what are the energies?
Speaker 4: From my perspective, when did we really get out of balance?
Speaker 4: It was in the time of the Cali Yuga, which
Speaker 4: started in the Age of Taurus and really went to
Speaker 4: its lowest point in the Age of Ares. What are
Speaker 4: the rulers of those signs Venus and Mars, and what's
Speaker 4: the ruler of age of Pisces, this age we're emerging
Speaker 4: from now. That's also part of the coal Yuka Jupiter.
Speaker 4: So it was activating all of the planets that are
Speaker 4: associated with this time of our lowest consciousness while coming
Speaker 4: in showing us, reminding us of those periods when we
Speaker 4: were in our highest consciousness.
Speaker 2: Why does Orthodoxy look down on astrology when we know
Speaker 2: that our ancestors were They actually considered it a science
Speaker 2: and lived by, especially the Maya in the and the Egyptians.
Speaker 2: But we don't take it seriously. And the subtle energy
Speaker 2: that these planets and constellations give off make us who
Speaker 2: we are, and yet we don't identify that. Why is that?
Speaker 4: I truly think it's part of what happened when we
Speaker 4: got caught in the Coaliyuga, the time of forgetting the
Speaker 4: time of our lowest level of consciousness. That has led
Speaker 4: to a disconnection from a sense of the earth as sacred,
Speaker 4: a disconnection from the consciousness of the cosmos, and then
Speaker 4: we got caught in scientific materialism. And it is only
Speaker 4: in the caliuga that we get caught in left brain dominance.
Speaker 4: In the other aspects of the cycle, when we're in
Speaker 4: higher levels of consciousness, we're more right brain dominant, meaning
Speaker 4: we think in more intuitive, relational, integrative ways, and that's
Speaker 4: what we've really gotten disc connected from in the time
Speaker 4: of the left brain dominance and this sense of over
Speaker 4: idealization of analytical thinking.
Speaker 2: It's funny because people think it's a kind of a
Speaker 2: comic book. They look at their astrological sight and go, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to happen today. So part of them
Speaker 2: is like taking it in and serious about it, but
Speaker 2: a big another part of it's like, oh, it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter, but it does matter. It's huge. It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Well, and from my perspective, it's not as if the
Speaker 4: movement of the planets in the stars control us or
Speaker 4: indicate things in a predictive or deterministic way. From my perspective,
Speaker 4: it's more along the lines of the hermetic principles as
Speaker 4: above so below right, that the movement of the planets
Speaker 4: in the stars mirrors the energies on the Earth and
Speaker 4: is a form of guidance for us to understand what
Speaker 4: we're experiencing individually and collectively and how to work with
Speaker 4: it in the most conscious way possible.
Speaker 2: One of the themes in your book is the precision
Speaker 2: of the equinox, which is a big deal. And the
Speaker 2: cycle that we've been led to believe is twenty six
Speaker 2: hundred year cycles. Your new cycle is twenty four hundred years.
Speaker 2: What's the change? What have you found that makes you
Speaker 2: think that this is the cycle that we should be following.
Speaker 4: So I really believe the processional cycle is twenty four
Speaker 4: thousand years, and that that then correlates closely with the
Speaker 4: Hindu Yuga cycle, as Bipoo Dev Misra has talked about it.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that I find absolutely fascinating
Speaker 4: is I strongly believe that the processional cycle is related
Speaker 4: to our being part of a binary star system. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're familiar with Walter Cruttenton's work, and oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and he originally believed that that binary star was serious
Speaker 4: and now he's looking at other options, Bernard's Star or
Speaker 4: other options. But I firmly believe that Sirius is our
Speaker 4: binary star, and it may be what in that interaction
Speaker 4: with the Sun and there orbiting around each other pulls
Speaker 4: us through these different phases in our cycles of consciousness.
Speaker 4: Robert Edward Grant has done some absolutely fascinating analysis of
Speaker 4: the speed of procession, and he believes that as the
Speaker 4: we get closer to our binary star, the speed of
Speaker 4: the processional cycle speeds up, and then when we get
Speaker 4: more distant it slows down. So his sense is that
Speaker 4: when we're in the Caliyuga at the furthest distance from
Speaker 4: the star Serius, the movement of procession from our Earth
Speaker 4: perspective is one degree every seventy two years. His mathematical
Speaker 4: research would indicate at its fastest the processional cycle moves
Speaker 4: one degree every sixty years. If you work out the
Speaker 4: average of all of that, it comes to the cycle
Speaker 4: as a whole is twenty four thousand years. We're in
Speaker 4: the slower time now, which is how we've calculated it
Speaker 4: out from one degree every seventy two years correlating to
Speaker 4: little over twenty six thousand years but I actually think
Speaker 4: he's accurate that we go through different speeds in the
Speaker 4: processional cycle and that it averages out to twenty four
Speaker 4: thousand years.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. What is it about the binary star that
Speaker 2: influences us and why is it such a major factor
Speaker 2: in this book of yours.
Speaker 4: I'm open to exploring options as to what really relates
Speaker 4: to this ascending descending consciousness. I believe it is related
Speaker 4: to our being a binary star with Sirius, But I
Speaker 4: also agree with Bibpu dev Misra that we're influenced by
Speaker 4: the activation of the galactic center at different periods in
Speaker 4: our history and the cosmic energies coming to us from
Speaker 4: the galactic center. So that factors in in a very
Speaker 4: important way in terms of our shifts in consciousness. But
Speaker 4: if you think about it, I think that it's interesting
Speaker 4: just from a symbolic perspective, if you think about our sun,
Speaker 4: our star, being part of a binary star system, as
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the stars in the galaxy are, then
Speaker 4: we're in this dance with another star and in this
Speaker 4: interaction where I believe this gets into a much longer
Speaker 4: conversation about Sirius in its association with Isis and how
Speaker 4: that relates to the myth of Isis and Osiris, and
Speaker 4: how that I think is wisdom about the processional cycle.
Speaker 4: But I think that there's a way in which Sirius
Speaker 4: holds this capacity for our higher consciousness, and when we're
Speaker 4: closer in our dance with that star, we remember what
Speaker 4: we had forgotten and move into higher consciousness. And at
Speaker 4: our greatest distance we move into the Caliyugo. We feel
Speaker 4: we're alone. We have a solar hero in the middle
Speaker 4: of our solar system, and we forget that we're even
Speaker 4: part of a binary star system, and caught in this
Speaker 4: illusion of separation, which is part of what's led us
Speaker 4: to this low level of consciousness.
Speaker 2: You said eighty percent of the cosmosis binary stars. I mean,
Speaker 2: what does that mean for us? Does that mean that
Speaker 2: we are being constantly bombarded by these frequencies that are
Speaker 2: changing us on an evolutionary scale or is it more
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think you're absolutely right, and I think we're
Speaker 4: getting impacted by energies from the galactic center from our
Speaker 4: binary star. We're now getting this activation from the binary
Speaker 4: in the signals star system. So I think there are
Speaker 4: so many ways that we are activated by these cosmic energies.
Speaker 4: But I think that dance with the binary star is
Speaker 4: a critical part of our solar system's journey, not only
Speaker 4: through the galaxy, but through that evolution of consciousness.
Speaker 2: Here's one for you. How do we take it in?
Speaker 2: How do we take this new energy in? Do we?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been meditating for thirty years. I feel
Speaker 2: it every week, there's something going on. But for those
Speaker 2: who are not meditators, what do we do to be
Speaker 2: more receptive?
Speaker 4: I think meditation is very helpful, and I think walking
Speaker 4: in nature is very helpful. The Earth, ourself is in
Speaker 4: a transformational process, and I think when we're in stillness,
Speaker 4: when we're meditating, when we're connecting to nature, we can
Speaker 4: allow ourselves to be open to these energies and integrate them. Otherwise,
Speaker 4: we're so distracted in our world right now with all
Speaker 4: the external stimuli, that we can keep ourselves disconnected. And
Speaker 4: I think I think part of what we're seeing in
Speaker 4: the world right now is we are getting impacted by
Speaker 4: these solar and cosmic energies. And it's either activating the
Speaker 4: pineal bland and an increasing consciousness for people, or it's
Speaker 4: deep stabilizing them.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to say forced evolution, but we
Speaker 2: evolve as we're bathed in these energies, is what you're
Speaker 2: somewhat saying. Yes, yes, yeah, that's pretty cool talk about
Speaker 2: the galactic center, because that's a topic that comes up.
Speaker 2: You describe it as a kind of a source.
Speaker 4: You know, all ancient cultures saw it as kind of
Speaker 4: the cosmic womb. It is the birth place of our
Speaker 4: galaxy and our source, and so much of the ancient
Speaker 4: wisdom of cultures about the processional cycle related to our
Speaker 4: alignment with the world tree, with that world axis, the
Speaker 4: alignment with the galactic center, as well as they're charting
Speaker 4: the movement of procession. So it's and again I do
Speaker 4: think it literally is the source that not only has
Speaker 4: birthed our galaxy but is activating supporting these shifts in
Speaker 4: our consciousness. And ancient cultures saw it as not only
Speaker 4: the source that we come from, but where we return
Speaker 4: at the time of death, and that in keeping in
Speaker 4: alignment with that source, that center, then we stay in
Speaker 4: right relationship, right harmony with cosmic order.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that some of these old cultures that
Speaker 2: we understand, like the Maya, the early Egyptians were of
Speaker 2: the Sachia Yuga period or is that not? I mean,
Speaker 2: because that's a very very evolved human being that's living
Speaker 2: at that time. Do you have a sense of different
Speaker 2: time periods and the high cultures that were I mean,
Speaker 2: we don't know if Atlanta's actually happened or not. It
Speaker 2: could have been a different name. Plato calls it Atlantis,
Speaker 2: but it may have been something else.
Speaker 4: I believe Atlantis existed, and I believe that Lemuria really
Speaker 4: emanates or reflects that wisdom and energy of the Sodyet Yuga.
Speaker 4: And you know, in my exploration of zep Tepi and
Speaker 4: really ancient Egyptian culture, I think we can definitely trace
Speaker 4: it back to the Traida Yuga the Silver Age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have.
Speaker 4: A sense that there was an even more ancient Egyptian
Speaker 4: culture that was part of that Golden Age or yeah
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if we're heading into what Dwarpa is where
Speaker 2: we're going next, what do you see as the influences
Speaker 2: of that energy on people? Is it more clarity? I
Speaker 2: don't know if where AI fits in all of this,
Speaker 2: because I've so hung up with Ai right now. I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: where is this a dwarpa or satya technology that's in
Speaker 2: its infancy or not. Of course, these are hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of years, so it can't be. You know, we're
Speaker 2: in a spec of time right now. So perhaps it's
Speaker 2: just part of our evolution obviously, But what you're thinking
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 4: I actually think that, and the ending of my book
Speaker 4: is really postulating the possibility that this is a very
Speaker 4: unique time in human history when we have the chance
Speaker 4: to step off the wheel of some sorrow and not
Speaker 4: keep journeying through this ascending and descending cycle, but make
Speaker 4: an evolutionary leap into remembering who we are and moving
Speaker 4: into higher consciousness.
Speaker 2: Heather, what are you suggesting here? We're going to jump
Speaker 2: off the Yuga cycle.
Speaker 4: This is what the Peruvian shaman's talk about. They call
Speaker 4: it this this threshold point where we have the possibility
Speaker 4: of becoming what they describe as homoluminous ones right means
Speaker 4: the light and love, And part of what I see
Speaker 4: on the planet right now is it is such a
Speaker 4: critical karmic choice point because we're on a fast track
Speaker 4: for self destruction.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So from my perspective, if we're either going to
Speaker 4: create a cataclysm where the Earth will do a cataclysmic
Speaker 4: reset to clear the toxicity to start us over again,
Speaker 4: and then we will be journeying through that cycle of
Speaker 4: ascending and descending consciousness. But I think this is a
Speaker 4: time where we have the capacity to actually make that
Speaker 4: evolutionary leap into a whole new way of being. One
Speaker 4: of my close friends was Elizabeth Sataurus, evolution biologist. She's
Speaker 4: written a brilliant book called Earth Dance, but she talks
Speaker 4: about the development of species. She talks about when a
Speaker 4: species gets to this level of crisis, it's no longer
Speaker 4: about incremental change. It's a moment for radical evolutionary change
Speaker 4: and an evolutionary leap. And I really believe that's where
Speaker 4: we as humans are now.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: my guests today, Heather Ainsworth discussing her new book, Astrological
Speaker 2: Ages in the Galactic Center. We'll be right back with you.
Speaker 2: My guess today is Heather Asworth. She is a psychologist
Speaker 2: and also an astrologer, and she has written a new
Speaker 2: book called Astrological Ages in the Galactic Center. But what
Speaker 2: does that look like Heather, is that somebody has a
Speaker 2: traumatic experience and on the other side of that, they've
Speaker 2: cleansed themselves of where they've been and they're looking at
Speaker 2: life in a different manner. Or I mean, I'm curious
Speaker 2: to understand what that looks like, because you can't just
Speaker 2: switch automatically. It has to be a period of time.
Speaker 2: But maybe it can be, you know, I mean people
Speaker 2: who are when I first learned meditation, the first time
Speaker 2: I actually went into a meditative state was so profound
Speaker 2: for me. I knew something had changed and I was
Speaker 2: different from that minute on exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean that can happen with spiritual awakening, that can
Speaker 4: happen with physical and emotional healing. And I do see
Speaker 4: us as in a transition time, and some people actually
Speaker 4: are having those very profound radical shifts. But I see
Speaker 4: this more as a liminal time of potential for healing
Speaker 4: and transformation for us individually and collectively. And this is
Speaker 4: where I am seeing people who are on a path
Speaker 4: of consciousness healing from childhood traumas other issues from the
Speaker 4: past in this very accelerated manner, and I see people
Speaker 4: more and more on a path of spiritual awakening That's
Speaker 4: what gives me hope is in that I have connections
Speaker 4: within my community and other communities are really on this
Speaker 4: fast track of transformation. And at the same time, I
Speaker 4: think we're seeing that the worst expressions of the shadow
Speaker 4: aspects of humanity playing out. So it's we're in. We're
Speaker 4: already in a way, in a dimensional divide.
Speaker 2: M So for those who are not into spiritual growth,
Speaker 2: who are not in the meditation, they have no concept
Speaker 2: of it. Do they just tag along and fall off
Speaker 2: at some point or do they find a path as well? Well?
Speaker 4: As I'm sure you know Rupert Jeldrake. Chldrake talks about
Speaker 4: the morphogenic field and what the Peruvian Shamans would say
Speaker 4: is if there are enough of us that open to
Speaker 4: this shift and that energy of higher consciousness, it emanates
Speaker 4: into the collective consciousness, into the morphogenic field and can
Speaker 4: help shift the global consciousness. But I also think we
Speaker 4: each have a choice whether we want to be in
Speaker 4: this transformational process or not. And that's where I think
Speaker 4: that we may be also seeing the potential of this
Speaker 4: dimensional divide, which may mean some are going to be
Speaker 4: on a very different path in their experience than those
Speaker 4: who are resisting the change and getting caught more in
Speaker 4: the chaos and the destabilization that's playing out on the planet.
Speaker 2: I'd like you to explain a little better the binary
Speaker 2: star theory and how that is an influence because this
Speaker 2: comes up in your book. How does that work when
Speaker 2: you say a binary star, this is something that directly
Speaker 2: affects human beings.
Speaker 4: So it's in essence of figure eight that we are
Speaker 4: in this orbiting pattern around a binary star, and then
Speaker 4: we're also in these larger movements through the galaxy and
Speaker 4: part of what I think impacts the critical times of
Speaker 4: change every twelve thousand years and bib poodv Miser talks
Speaker 4: about this too, that's when we go through the galactic
Speaker 4: current sheet, we go through this period where our magnetic
Speaker 4: field is lower than usual. That's where we are right now,
Speaker 4: which means we're more impacted by solar energies cosmic energies,
Speaker 4: but it's also when we're most vulnerable to the larger
Speaker 4: comets in the torrid comets form Ah, it's likely what
Speaker 4: caused the Younger Driest crisis twelve thousand years ago and
Speaker 4: what is potential now? And bidpoo Miser really puts that
Speaker 4: time frame of our greatest potential for a comet strike
Speaker 4: from that toward comet swarm in nineteen twenty thirty two
Speaker 4: or twenty thirty six.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I was going to ask you about that,
Speaker 2: because we do go through the turn stream twice yearly,
Speaker 2: and is it your belief that we're setting ourselves up
Speaker 2: for another castrophic event or can we bypass it this time?
Speaker 4: That's where I think we have a karmaic choice point.
Speaker 4: And I do believe we're in this conscious interaction with
Speaker 4: the cosmos and that if we can heal and be
Speaker 4: on a path of transformation. I don't believe we're wanting
Speaker 4: to go through a cataclysmic reset at this critical time
Speaker 4: in the procession cycle. But if we stay on the
Speaker 4: path that we're on now collectively, I believe we will
Speaker 4: and my senses it will be twenty most likely twenty
Speaker 4: thirty six. But there's another configuration that I find exquisite.
Speaker 4: Are you aware that the stars of Orion move in
Speaker 4: their declination with the professional cycle and that the ancient
Speaker 4: Egyptians knew that. So at the time of zep Tepi,
Speaker 4: the time of our being in more higher consciousness, the
Speaker 4: stars of Orion were their closest to the Earth, and
Speaker 4: the ancient Egyptians used to believe if stars are on
Speaker 4: the horizon, they incarnate among us, and Orion was very
Speaker 4: associated with Osiris. As we move through the processional cycle,
Speaker 4: Orion moves further and further in its declination from the
Speaker 4: Earth until it's at its highest point, which is where
Speaker 4: it is now furthest from the Earth. So it's such
Speaker 4: a powerful constellation in my mind that's charting our journey
Speaker 4: through the processional cycle and our ascending and descending consciousness.
Speaker 4: And as you know, it's so associated with the story
Speaker 4: of Isis and Osiris, which I think is all about
Speaker 4: the processional cycle. The brothers set trying to getting into conflict,
Speaker 4: trying to kill Osiris. The meaning of that is chaos, disorder.
Speaker 4: And in twenty thirty two June of twenty thirty two,
Speaker 4: when we have a powerful conjunction of Saturn and Uranus,
Speaker 4: which from an astrological perspective is the end of a
Speaker 4: cycle movement into new forms, it will live literally be
Speaker 4: in the sky in the upraised arm of Orion, which
Speaker 4: with the ancient Egyptians means resurrection, order triumphs over chaos,
Speaker 4: cosmic order, triumphs over are getting caught in the chaos
Speaker 4: of lower levels of consciousness. So that's I think what
Speaker 4: the cosmos is saying, this is what you're capable of
Speaker 4: as humanity, but it's your choice.
Speaker 2: I thought, for a minute you were going to say
Speaker 2: this is the time when super beings are incarnated on earth,
Speaker 2: like you know, Siren and these other gods of Egypt
Speaker 2: seem to show up at certain times in our in
Speaker 2: that history and do remarkable things. You know, at least
Speaker 2: that's what they tell us about.
Speaker 4: So I think we're being called to awaken the Osiris,
Speaker 4: the Horus within us.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about karma choice point, because I
Speaker 2: think this is something that we have the ability to
Speaker 2: manipulate a little bit. But in some cases, if we
Speaker 2: don't understand about past lives or what we've come in with,
Speaker 2: we're at the mercy of karma.
Speaker 4: Well, and part of on a different level, I think
Speaker 4: part of what you and I both are aware of
Speaker 4: is if we're locked into this modern Western understanding of
Speaker 4: history that modern civilization started about six thousand years ago
Speaker 4: and is now at its height of advancement, we're in
Speaker 4: big trouble because that period is actually in the Hindu
Speaker 4: Juga cycle in the professional cycle, the time of our
Speaker 4: our lowest level of consciousness. So to me, part of
Speaker 4: the karmic choice point is the importance of us remembering,
Speaker 4: first of all, that we journey through many lifetimes, and
Speaker 4: that we as humanity have journeyed through this professional cycle
Speaker 4: many times. And if we don't remember who we truly
Speaker 4: are and what our evolution of consciousness has been, then
Speaker 4: we're locked into thinking this is our reality as it's
Speaker 4: been in the last six thousand years, this is how
Speaker 4: it will always be. Then we're just going to keep
Speaker 4: re enacting the trauma patterns and the patterns of low
Speaker 4: level of consciousness.
Speaker 2: The books called astrological ages and the galactic Center. My
Speaker 2: guess today has been Heather asworth. As we conclude avilizations
Speaker 2: that you're somewhat aware of that had that had high
Speaker 2: phases within the Yugas cycle, I mean, can you pick
Speaker 2: one and say, yes, this was Satya, or this was Dwarpa,
Speaker 2: this was I'm just curious about your thinking on that,
Speaker 2: because I think if we understand and adapt the Yugas
Speaker 2: and see how other civilizations lived, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: lesson for us.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, and I actually believe that the ancient Egyptian
Speaker 4: culture reflects all those levels, and in fact, when I
Speaker 4: lead tours to each of part of what's fascinating to
Speaker 4: me is we don't have you know, I think with
Speaker 4: what we're discovering, with what may be under the Giza Plateau,
Speaker 4: we may be opening up to even more ancient advanced
Speaker 4: civilizations that were apart of the Egyptian history. But what
Speaker 4: we do know is the likelihood of the Giza Plateau,
Speaker 4: the Great Pyramid, the Sphinx, the Ossyrian Temple dating back
Speaker 4: at least to the Treta Yuga twelve thousand years ago,
Speaker 4: and are showing such a high level of advanced technology.
Speaker 4: Then you see so many of the ancient temple sites
Speaker 4: built in later periods Age of Taurus or Age of Ares,
Speaker 4: and you actually can see the technology declining. And what
Speaker 4: I find fascinating is to take people to dendera temple
Speaker 4: that was its construction was started in the Age of Taurus.
Speaker 4: Hathor the cow goddess is honored. There's all these beautiful
Speaker 4: paintings connecting us to the rhythms of the earth and sky.
Speaker 4: Then you get to the Age of Ares, when we
Speaker 4: moved into the lowest time of our consciousness, get caught
Speaker 4: in ego sense of separation, power over patriarchal paradigms. And
Speaker 4: you have the Luxor Temple, which is just a testament
Speaker 4: to Ramsy's the two Ramsm's too with his statue everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it is so symbolic. You can track the descending consciousness
Speaker 4: across the ages by going to those sites, and it's
Speaker 4: such a reminder that we really had higher consciousness in
Speaker 4: those ancient times and we can come back to that now.
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. It's a good point about those temples.
Speaker 2: When you go there, they're radiating something. You know, you
Speaker 2: can feel it coming out of the ground, or they're
Speaker 2: likely sitting on tolluric fields that are coming up. And
Speaker 2: the ancients understand it had to tune a temple so
Speaker 2: they it picks it up and then releases it in
Speaker 2: some capacity.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, ancient sacred sites were all built with
Speaker 4: there being underground water and often like the Great Pyramid,
Speaker 4: is at the intersection of two type four lay lines.
Speaker 4: But I also love Ibraham Kareem's work. You probably know
Speaker 4: his work in biogeometry and his study of ancient temple
Speaker 4: science and how they consciously worked with sacred geometry and
Speaker 4: the structure of the temples to be emanating these energies.
Speaker 4: So I like to tell the groups that I take there,
Speaker 4: you're going to be transformed in these sites, whether you
Speaker 4: know anything about them or not, because they're emanating these energies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are we in the Age of Aquarius or have
Speaker 2: we just begun to enter that phase?
Speaker 4: I believe that we have entered into the beginning of
Speaker 4: the Age of Aquarius as of the end of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, and that we're in the transition time. So
Speaker 4: we're still seeing the playing out of the paradigms of
Speaker 4: the past, but we're also seeing this increasing energy guiding
Speaker 4: us into new paradigms, into collaboration, into co creating new systems.
Speaker 4: So we're in a liminal transition time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm of the age where you know, I'm here
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and the hippie movement I thought was
Speaker 2: the New Age. And I used to be a program
Speaker 2: director for a national conference called the Whole Life, and
Speaker 2: we featured personal growth spirituality.
Speaker 4: Well, can I remember that I used to be in California?
Speaker 2: That's all right, Okay, good, Well, I mean we did
Speaker 2: them all over the country, but not as big as
Speaker 2: s Farrancisco. And I always thought that was the New Age.
Speaker 2: I thought that was the beginning of the Age of Aquarius.
Speaker 2: But I think we were welcome, welcoming in, rather than
Speaker 2: experiencing it.
Speaker 4: Then that period was a time when Pluto and Uranus
Speaker 4: were in a conjunction, which is one of the most
Speaker 4: powerful transformational combinations. So I think it was calling us
Speaker 4: into transformation, not quite ready yet for the new paradigms,
Speaker 4: but really calling our attention to the dysfunction of the
Speaker 4: paradigms and patterns that we've been caught in.
Speaker 2: That's a good point because there's a I remember this,
Speaker 2: there was a tremendous amount of pushback from the status
Speaker 2: quo government, police, local people. What are you doing? What
Speaker 2: are you You're shifting your contuit what Tim Lary, you
Speaker 2: want to drop acid? What are you doing exactly exactly?
Speaker 2: So in many ways, I think there were pioneers who
Speaker 2: were sensing the changes that were coming and seeding that
Speaker 2: in the collective consciousness, but the collective consciousness was not
Speaker 2: ready to integrate it. And there's been a pleasure speaking
Speaker 2: with you as we close, who as the readers reading
Speaker 2: the book? What are you trying to get across to
Speaker 2: the reader in this work of yours?
Speaker 4: I think the most critical theme is if we can
Speaker 4: see this larger perspective, if we can remember this larger
Speaker 4: journey of our evolution as humanity, If we can then
Speaker 4: heal from all the ways that we've gotten out of
Speaker 4: balance individually and collectively, and the generational trauma that we've
Speaker 4: been caught in, then we do have this opportunity to
Speaker 4: move through a ratic transformation and into higher consciousness. That's
Speaker 4: who we're meant to be. And I think this is
Speaker 4: such an important time when we have the possibility of
Speaker 4: waking up, healing and moving through this radical transformation. I
Speaker 4: really believe that's possible.
Speaker 2: I love that we didn't get into a great deal
Speaker 2: about trauma, but there's an important lesson and an important
Speaker 2: part of physiology when we release trauma, isn't it And
Speaker 2: it's almost like in some cases an awakening. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: trauma has been removed, whatever level it is.
Speaker 4: Yes, which is a lot of way I got into
Speaker 4: shamanic work. I realized psychotherapy can only take you so far,
Speaker 4: and then you really need to do some things energetically
Speaker 4: and beneath the level of the conscious mind to clear
Speaker 4: those patterns and release the trauma. And I think part
Speaker 4: of what we're caught in, as you may, I just
Speaker 4: put out a video on my YouTube channel about this.
Speaker 4: I think as we moved into the Collie Yuga, we
Speaker 4: were experiencing some earth crises and earth changes that led
Speaker 4: to a lot of trauma and a lot of fear
Speaker 4: and a fear of death that I think led into
Speaker 4: these aut of balance patterns that we've been in. I
Speaker 4: think we've been in trauma coping patterns, survival, mentality, survival
Speaker 4: of the fittest, conquer, be conquer, and that that's just
Speaker 4: perpetuated trauma generation after generation, and that what's critical now
Speaker 4: is that we see that and heal from that, because,
Speaker 4: as you said, then once you bring that into conscious
Speaker 4: awareness and clear it, you have such spaciousness then to
Speaker 4: move into new patterns and move into much more healthy
Speaker 4: ways of being.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, real pleasure having you on the program. And before
Speaker 2: we let you go, how can people learn more about you?
Speaker 2: Give us your website and you said you had a
Speaker 2: YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: Yes, so my primary website is Rising Moon Healing Center,
Speaker 4: and I do have a YouTube channel under my name
Speaker 4: where I try to talk about these themes and what's
Speaker 4: going on astrologically.
Speaker 2: Okay, and no website.
Speaker 4: I'll come on yeah, Rising Moon Healing Center.
Speaker 2: Oh, Rising Moon said, okay, so all it's all has
Speaker 2: the YouTube channel has the other aspects that you're working on,
Speaker 2: so it's all well, they're all grounded in that one place. Heather,
Speaker 2: much success, A real pleasure and great to have you
Speaker 2: on the program.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Cliff, It's been great to talk to you.
Speaker 2: I want to mention that I have been using AI
Speaker 2: to reconstruct monuments, temples, buildings, even pyramids around the world,
Speaker 2: and you can see these new AI reconstructed images on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients. You can see
Speaker 2: them also on Instagram and on the Earth Ancient's website.
Speaker 2: This is something that is not only unique and is
Speaker 2: being used by the scientific community slowly, but it's a
Speaker 2: way to look at light our scans and see what
Speaker 2: the original item is that has been picked up through
Speaker 2: a scan, and I gotta tell you it is really
Speaker 2: quite amazing. I gave a talk at a conference the
Speaker 2: other day and used some new slides to present this
Speaker 2: AI information and people were dumbfounded. And I gotta tell
Speaker 2: you it's easier to think. And I'm a former graphic
Speaker 2: artist and I'll tell you it takes time to create
Speaker 2: really nice slides. These slides that were put out by
Speaker 2: Claude AI were fabulous, fabulous. So that gets back to
Speaker 2: my initial statement. I've been saying it for the last
Speaker 2: few weeks. Begin playing with AI, and I say play
Speaker 2: with it because you can use it for free to
Speaker 2: a certain degree. Ask it questions. A good question would be,
Speaker 2: say you want to you want to do a graphic
Speaker 2: or an image of something. Use the word logo, say
Speaker 2: you know, type in a prompt or a question or
Speaker 2: a request. I would like to have a logo based
Speaker 2: on my name, based on the street I live in,
Speaker 2: based on my address, anything, and see what happens. You'll
Speaker 2: be shocked at how amazingly powerful artificial intelligence is. And
Speaker 2: it's gotten to the point now because it's growing exponentially
Speaker 2: that if you don't learn the basics, you're gonna be
Speaker 2: left behind. And it's not a competitive kind of thing
Speaker 2: where you're looking at AI. I need to do it
Speaker 2: for my work. You don't have to do it for anything.
Speaker 2: You don't have to. I mean, if you're retired, just
Speaker 2: try it. Ask it questions, ask it to do something
Speaker 2: to Ask it to compile a list of your ancestors.
Speaker 2: Try that. Ask it to compile an understanding of cosmology
Speaker 2: and give you bullet points for known ancient cultures like
Speaker 2: the Maya, the Egyptians, the Celts, the Inca, I mean Chinese, anything,
Speaker 2: and to see what happens. It takes all the known
Speaker 2: knowledge and condenses it down to understandable content. It's just fabulous.
Speaker 2: So check it out. So I think I mentioned a
Speaker 2: week ago that I had reproduced the Ldonta pyramid complex
Speaker 2: and Elmador, Guatemala. That is now updated. You can see
Speaker 2: that on Cliff Dunning Facebook, or you can see it
Speaker 2: on Earth Ancients with a bunch of other pyramid structures
Speaker 2: that are available to see. It's fantastic and I urge
Speaker 2: you to consider working with it so that you feel
Speaker 2: comfortable because it's going to integrate in everything. It's going
Speaker 2: to be attached to our refrigerators, it's going to be
Speaker 2: it's gonna probably be an auto automatons, which is another
Speaker 2: word for robots. It's gonna be all over the place.
Speaker 2: AI all right, that's it for this program. I want
Speaker 2: to think my guest today, Heather Aims War, coming to
Speaker 2: us from the East coast of the United States, as
Speaker 2: always a team of guil tour, Mark Foster and fay
Speaker 2: A Bavar. You guys rock all right, take care every
Speaker 2: well and we will talk to you next time.
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