WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:05.080 Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm and 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:06.160 I'm Stephen. 3 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:08.039 And this is a podcast all about the weird and 4 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:12.119 wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine. 5 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:14.960 On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of 6 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.760 Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.960 a lens and examining it within an inch of its life. 8 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.160 So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and 9 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:27.440 join us for the ninth degree. 10 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:32.159 Hello, Hello, how. 11 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:32.560 Are you doing? 12 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:34.079 Yes, I am okay. 13 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:35.439 Set them back into school? 14 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.439 Well, yeah, I mean it's quite a short half term 15 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:39.359 this one, because we're off again in a few weeks, 16 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:42.840 so nice. Then it's a long old stretch till the 17 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:43.719 summer after that. 18 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.759 Yeah. I'm enjoying the all the bank holidays. I keep 19 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:48.600 booking the odd day off, so I've not worked a 20 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:52.280 four week in I don't know how long, just all 21 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.159 these Forday weeks. I would quite like that to be 22 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:55.200 a permanent fixture. 23 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.200 Yeah, it's a nice time of year for that sort 24 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.799 of thing. Mm AnyWho, So we're here this week for 25 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:03.280 is it episode five? Yes? 26 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:04.079 Five? 27 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:09.079 Yeah, it's an interesting one I. 28 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.000 Hope to learn things. This is one that I don't 29 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.200 know as much about, so I don't I feel I 30 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:14.840 have missed out on a lot of stuff. 31 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.319 You mentioned last week the theater wasn't really your sphere 32 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:17.760 as much. 33 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.079 Well, I really enjoyed the theater. I just don't have 34 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:23.959 any experience of the backside. 35 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.319 I'm keeping that in. 36 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.840 I have much experience with the backstage side of theater. 37 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:43.319 So yeah, or I'm not really all that well versed 38 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:45.840 in Shakespeare to be honest. No, yeah, that really didn't 39 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:47.079 really do a lot of it at school. 40 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:48.000 Okay, did you know? 41 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.239 I mean, you do Macbeth, so I do obviously know 42 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:54.239 the story. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know 43 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:57.239 if I've missed out on a lot of like their references. 44 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.640 And yeah, well I won't pretend that I'm an expert 45 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:01.799 in my Beth at all, but it is. I think 46 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:03.840 it's a good one. It's the one that a lot 47 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.120 of people, most people probably have done at school because 48 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.640 it's a good story and it's a good one that 49 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:11.319 kids can kind of get into. In fact, I work 50 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.599 in year six in primary and we do it in 51 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.759 year six, so I really, well, they don't actually do 52 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.240 the Shakespeare text, but they look in the story. Yeah, 53 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.479 which is good. We have a big debate about who 54 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.520 do they think is most to blame for all the deaths? 55 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.879 Would it be Macbeth, Lady Macbeth or the witches? Yeah, 56 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.800 last time we did it, everyone said the witches, which 57 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.759 I found really interesting because I'm like, for me, it's 58 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.000 Macbeth because he's the one that did most of the killing, Like, 59 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:40.599 no one forced him to do anything. 60 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:42.319 No, but would you have done it if it weren't 61 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:43.919 for the prophecies and all that kind of stuff. 62 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:45.840 Well yeah, but just this is what I said to 63 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.240 the kids. I was like, if someone said to you, 64 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.759 like you could be you know, rich and famous if 65 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.400 you kill this person and then you go and kill 66 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.439 that person, is that your fault for killing the person 67 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:56.719 or therefore for telling you to do it? 68 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.319 Yeah, but if a mystic witch told me to do it. 69 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.159 Well that's the thing. Personally, I don't think they are 70 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.199 real witches. I think they're just round the old. 71 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.080 Women nothing better to do. 72 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:11.479 Yeah exactly. But anyway, Yes, what I did like about 73 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.000 this episode is that, like, you don't have to have 74 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:16.560 an in depth knowledge of Macbeth, but true, just a 75 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.159 surface level understanding of it sets you up to kind 76 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.759 of see the parallels. I feel like it sort of 77 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.400 pays lip service to the story of Macbeth without following 78 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:25.039 it to the letter. 79 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.840 No, definitely, And I don't know the story well enough 80 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.479 to get exactly how close it is to everything, But 81 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.680 I do appreciate that it's sort of the same sort 82 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:34.240 of idea. 83 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.120 Yeah, I think I think that's all it is, to 84 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.599 be honest, I don't think there's much sort of detail 85 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.360 following the story. I think it's just a general sense of, 86 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.639 you know, Jim, the understudy could achieve greatness if he 87 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.919 takes this opportunity to you know, and the fiance in 88 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.360 this case, who stands in as Lady Macbeth sort of 89 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.439 egging him on. And I think what's quite good is 90 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.800 how everyone knows that story and knows that, you know, 91 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.639 it's her who's sort of pushing him and all this 92 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:01.960 and that, and then actually they whipped that out from 93 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.599 under your feet, and that it turns out it wasn't her. No, 94 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:06.840 in the end, Well, I say that's a good thing. 95 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.319 I don't know, do you think it's a good thing or. 96 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.479 I really liked I No, I did like that twist 97 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.840 to it, okay, but yeah, I completely forgot. Well, no, 98 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.000 i'd remember. I knew that the twist. I remembered the 99 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.199 twist being that she was more important than she seemed. 100 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.319 But that was all I could really remember from However, 101 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.839 many years ago I last watched this, and I think 102 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.360 I fell into the trap of what they want you 103 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.000 to think of it. It's the fiance and yeah, exactly, 104 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.120 and then has he killed the fiance and all this 105 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.480 sort of stuff, and I couldn't really remember how it 106 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:32.959 went down. 107 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.360 No, It's another one that's quite open ended, isn't it 108 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:37.600 in some ways? 109 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.040 Yeah, So for those is that don't remember, want a 110 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.360 bit of a reminder. The Inside number nine wiki plot 111 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:48.680 summary is Tony Warner's performance as Macbeth is the toast 112 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.560 of London's West End. It would be very bad luck, indeed, 113 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.680 if he was suddenly indisposed in some way, except for 114 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.120 Jim is ever a hopeful understudy of course. Well there 115 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.480 you go, as helpful as that is to anyone. Yeah. 116 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.920 So it opens up, obviously with Steve's character as the 117 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.600 actual Macbeth. He plays an interesting character in this one. 118 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.759 He reminded me so much of pop from Legal Gentlemen, 119 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.079 Which one's that the awful character. I think he's meant 120 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:16.600 to be Greek. 121 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:17.720 Oh my gosh. 122 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.720 Yes, Yeah, he's just the most foul character in both 123 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.160 of these, especially when he gets a bit drunk. And 124 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:27.680 it's a funny episode because there's lots there's lots of 125 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.480 little characters that pop up, even if they're only on 126 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.759 screen for like two minutes. Obviously the next door neighbors. Yeah, 127 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:35.720 you've got so much character built into those. 128 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.839 I know. That's my favorite bit of the episode because 129 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.600 as someone who has done a lot of theater and 130 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.639 like is in that theater world, like people who are 131 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.199 a bit tangential to theater, when they come into it, 132 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.439 they all say the same things, and they absolutely nailed that. 133 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.160 The thing about oh, it's the costumes and the lights 134 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.120 that make it. You're like, okay, It's like my friend 135 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.199 and I have a joke that whenever she's in a show, 136 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.720 her mum comes to see it and she always says, well, 137 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.720 the costumes were lovely. That's anything she says about it. 138 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.439 You never really know what to say. And I could 139 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.720 just feel the cringiness through the screen. It was just 140 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:15.920 painful to even watch it. 141 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.040 Yeah. And when she says about there was a portal 142 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.040 in this, wasn't there? I said to Bill that should 143 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.560 be you like literally everyone says things for. 144 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:26.720 That everyone's grandma. 145 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.360 Yeah, very good. They nailed and the actors as well 146 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.120 also liked how Steve's character was, you know, sitting there 147 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.360 saying before they came in, I've got absolutely nothing to 148 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:44.240 say to either one of the bill. He turns on. 149 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.000 The charm was perfect. 150 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.839 Yeah. Have you seen have you seen the Play that 151 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:50.360 Goes Wrong? 152 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:51.160 Yes? 153 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.600 And do you know Mischief Comedy? Who do it? He 154 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.680 really reminded me of Henry Lewis the woman the. 155 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.240 Beard right guy? 156 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.759 Yes? Yeah, is this character the way he was like. 157 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.680 I like the bit when when sickly when he said 158 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.040 about the people looking in their programs and he goes, 159 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:08.240 look up, people, there's a theater that's happening now in 160 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:14.920 front of you. So pompous. Yeah. Again he plays that, 161 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.439 that pompous theater actor who thinks he's better than he is. 162 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.519 So well, yeah, because you said in your synopsis about well, 163 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.040 you didn't write it, but the synopsis said it said 164 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.720 about his performance as Macbeth is the toast of London's 165 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.920 west End. You hear a bit of him over the tannoy, 166 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:37.000 and it's awful. I mean, it's just so sort of 167 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.000 oh Shakespearean. 168 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:44.000 You know. Do they have those tannoys in dressing rooms. 169 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.759 I'm guessing yes, yeah, in like big theaters like that 170 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:47.519 they would yet. 171 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.319 Just playing what's happening in the on stage. 172 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.079 Yes, so you're aware. 173 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:55.279 So they kept saying on the tannoy the company of Macbeth, 174 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.639 over and over. I thought that was the whole thing. 175 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.759 You want to say, the name. 176 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:01.959 It's a superstition, isn't It is. 177 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.920 A thing, as much as everyone makes out it's a thing. 178 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.920 I think these days, I don't know to be fair, 179 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:10.160 because actors can be very superstitious, but like, if you're 180 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.879 doing the play Macbeth, you can't really avoid saying it 181 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:14.800 because it's in the text and all that. 182 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.759 Maybe, yeah, when you're on stage is a bit different. 183 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:18.399 But no, that's a good point. 184 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:19.839 The fact that it was on the tune. I wouldn't 185 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:21.199 whether that was intentional. 186 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.480 That it was like, well exactly, yeah. 187 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.360 It was bad luck for the whole throw and everything. 188 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.120 Yeah, I hadn't actually thought of that, But that's a 189 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:27.560 good point. 190 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.399 I like there were cards up saying good luck and 191 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:31.839 stuff everywhere, which obviously is another thing you don't do. 192 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.320 I was going to ask you if you were aware 193 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.480 of that, and obviously are break a leg being what 194 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.559 you're supposed to say. Doesn't Jim say good luck at 195 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:40.840 one point and Laura's like, oh don't? 196 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.759 Yeah, I think he does. Yeah. Yeah. I wondered how 197 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.480 much of that was intentional on the like meta element 198 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.679 of it of like, yes, the commentary on the episode itself. 199 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.840 Yeah, I would say it probably is intentional. Yeah. Apparently 200 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:54.519 there's loads of things you're not supposed to do in theaters. 201 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.480 You're not supposed to whistle backstage. 202 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:58.559 That's from Sailors. 203 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.200 Yeah. I was told you do know lots about theater 204 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.200 some stuff. I just haven't actually been there. I had 205 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.159 all my fun facts ready for you. 206 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.799 You know, because isn't it that Sailors used to do 207 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.159 a lot of the like that's right, Yeah, that's work 208 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.519 behind Yeah, and like the rigging and stuff. That's why 209 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.440 it's called rigging exactly. I do know stuff. I just 210 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.840 I just haven't done it well done. I'm a nerd. 211 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:23.600 You are you are? 212 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.120 Is that israel Hair's wig? 213 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:29.399 Oh it's got to be a wig. 214 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.879 It was horrible. I'm sorry it was real, but that 215 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:33.399 was horrible. 216 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:38.600 No. No, I think they're just because they're in every episode. 217 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.440 I think they're trying to sort of make them look 218 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.080 different than each one. And yeah, yeah, with that. 219 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.080 So this is the thing that interested me, Like how 220 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:51.480 understudies work, So, like how much practice did they have, 221 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:55.600 Like they're expected to give the same performance that someone 222 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.600 in the audience wouldn't know necessarily that they woul understudy. Yeah, 223 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.679 but presumab we have next to none of the rehearsal time. 224 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.559 Yeah, I mean it is. Yeah, I think they shadow 225 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.559 the main cast in rehearsals, and they probably get separate 226 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.200 times to go off in another room and run it 227 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.879 and stuff. But I think, yeah, I think part of 228 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.879 the job of being an understudy is just basically knowing 229 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.759 what you've got to do without actually having done it 230 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.480 very much. Yeah, which is a challenge, it must be. 231 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:23.600 It must be really galling as well, being the understudied 232 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.200 person knowing that everyone that's in the audience has got 233 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.320 it that you're on stage as well, they're not getting 234 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:30.320 a person that came to see and then having to 235 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:32.600 use your opportunity to show off that you actually can 236 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:33.279 do what you can do. 237 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.559 Yes. Yeah, it's very much like an underdog position, isn't it. 238 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:40.360 The first time I saw Phantom, I got the understudy 239 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.120 for Phantom, Yes, and we were all like me and 240 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.240 my gran run the front row in the middle. And 241 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:46.759 it gets to the big bit at the end where 242 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.080 he's doing his big speech to Christine, having taken the 243 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:52.480 mask off and everything, and he forgets his line for 244 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.879 all of about two seconds. But it felt like eternity, 245 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.879 and I was close enough that I could see the 246 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.960 terror in this poor guy's eyes. He was trying to 247 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.279 remember what his next line was. 248 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:06.080 Yeah, poor guy. Yeah, I mean I've had nightmares about 249 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.399 drying on stage. I haven't I haven't actually acted on 250 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.159 stage for a long time now, but yeah, if you 251 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.759 are on stage and you're just completely dry, it just 252 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.639 feel very powerless. 253 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.600 And you're waiting for Betty in the wings, so yell 254 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.759 your line out. 255 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.240 Most shows I've done, we've never we've not used prompts, 256 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.320 and I when I direct, i'd like to not have 257 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.600 a prompt because I feel like if they're going to 258 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.879 be used, then it sort of shatters the illusion. Yeah, 259 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:35.320 so I prefer, you know, normally, actors are very good 260 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.559 at helping each other out, and if you've forgot on 261 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.879 your line, somebody else will know it and they might 262 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:41.919 be able to guide the scene in the right direction 263 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.039 and you know, sort things out. 264 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.279 And throw things at you afterwards. Well. 265 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:49.720 Yes, So I directed a play a couple of years ago, 266 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.480 and it was there was this guy in it. They're 267 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.279 all sitting out on the sofa eating cake and his 268 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.480 line was supposed to be a nice cake and then 269 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.679 move on, and he'd forgotten it, and people were sitting 270 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.639 there and you know, just a waiting him to say it. 271 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.879 And then in the end this woman just went, what 272 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:08.679 do you think of the cake? 273 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.440 Yeah? Yes, they were doing their their understudy rehearsals. And 274 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.480 the thing about I can understand the no blood but 275 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.840 no swords feels a little bit risky. For I would 276 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.279 love to know what their risk assessment is on giving 277 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.679 someone that's not trained with swords suddenly with no notice, 278 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.240 right gone stage with the sword. 279 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:36.159 Yeah. Yeah, because you're right, Jim is saying several times 280 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.279 throughout the thing that he hasn't done it with the swords, 281 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:38.879 isn't he? 282 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:39.360 So? 283 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.879 Yeah, that wouldn't They would have to have run it 284 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.320 through with the swords and with the fight director. Yeah, 285 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.639 but I think because they're saying the fight directors in hospital, 286 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:52.440 that's why they could Jacoby. Yeah, Jacoby, Yes, Jacoby hit 287 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.240 him in the goolies with a nunchuck. That such an image, 288 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.360 very specific. Yeah, you could just imagine ry Jack could 289 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.120 be doing it as well. Yeah, oh, I'm so sorry. 290 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.159 We've also got, obviously, Felicity the company manager, who's a 291 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:14.480 nice interesting character, isn't she just And again she's very 292 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.919 much they hit the nail on the head of you 293 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:19.480 know that kind of company. I mean, I've not worked 294 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.360 with company managers particularly, but like a stage manager kind of, 295 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.879 which is a similar thing. There's so many regulations with 296 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.759 health and safety and this and that. And when she's 297 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.159 going on about a big quite angele about them signing 298 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.000 out and signing in again that they only stepped out 299 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.399 the door for a minute, like yeah, yeah, you do 300 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:36.879 have to. And then it's quite a shock when she 301 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.679 then tries to chat up Laura, Yeah, because she seems 302 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.879 so straight laced and like by the book, and she 303 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.240 goes and sort of does that and it's a bit like, Okay, yeah. 304 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.440 I did think that was an odd choice. She's an 305 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.600 interesting character, like why would she do that? 306 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.320 Yeah, I kind of didn't didn't fit really with what 307 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.759 you see of her. Although I suppose people are complex. 308 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:02.960 But be one thing to have hit on someone that's 309 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.639 single but that's actually engaged feels a little bit like, yeah, 310 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:09.039 you aren't very good here. 311 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.000 Well, I don't know was her intention to actually, you know, 312 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.519 do anything with her or was it just to see 313 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:19.519 her naked? You know, I think it was more that. 314 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:22.879 I think it was more just opportunistic like true you know, yeah, 315 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:30.279 poppy jeans and top of can we just say as well, 316 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.080 like Kirsty the Dresser, I like her a lot. The 317 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:39.200 actress Rosie Cavaliro. She's so good. Yeah, she's one of 318 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.240 those actresses that's just like very normal and like she's 319 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.000 like a normal person, like a real person. 320 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.600 I haven't seen her in much, but I can only 321 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.519 see her as a character in Friday Night Dinner if 322 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:51.000 you've seen it. 323 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.120 I haven't seen that. Well. I have seen bits of. 324 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:55.879 It, but just very very gigly. 325 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.840 Oh okay for me, it's what I know her from 326 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:00.840 is that episode of Banana. 327 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.360 I have seen it. I can't think what. 328 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.159 Yeah, So for anyone who's not aware, I'll just explained 329 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.799 that Banana was a little series of short half hour 330 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.720 individual It's like an anthology like this series of LGBT 331 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:14.080 stories by Russell Y Davies and some more emerging queer 332 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.279 writers done about ten years ago now. And yeah, she 333 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.159 was in. The one she was in was there was 334 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.600 this young girl who was basically obsessed with her. I 335 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.600 think she saw her in the supermarket and then she 336 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.679 was like love at first sight, and it was just 337 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:29.960 it was quite bizarre because it was this young sort 338 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.120 of person who'd fallen in love with this older, middle 339 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.240 aged lady who was nothing special. Like she says to 340 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.759 herself in the episode, she was like, I'm just you know, 341 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.200 I'm just me, like a mum, you know, going to 342 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.720 the supermarket. And it was Yeah, she played that role 343 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:44.799 so well as. 344 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.879 Well, and she plays it so well here as well. 345 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.799 Too believable. And then it's that dark turn at the 346 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:52.879 end that really gets in that she does so well. 347 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.600 Yeah, I mean she seems quite unhinged at the end 348 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.320 when she says about how she's been to see everything 349 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.159 he's done, and she she comes several times a week 350 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.200 to see the little differences in his performance, you start 351 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:08.960 to think, oh, okay and utter this is creepy. Yeah. 352 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:12.559 Act three, so that's when Tony's drunk and he really 353 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:16.960 does change as a character. He becomes awful. Oh god. 354 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.240 Yeah, if he wasn't bad enough. 355 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.639 Well yeah, but it's painful some of the lines that 356 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.440 he has when he's trying to get her in the 357 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:25.320 shower and stuff. 358 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.960 Oh god, when he sister, I could cure you. Yeah, homophobia. 359 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.679 Yeah, I think she's what you're looking for, dude. 360 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.039 I've just got to call out when she says when 361 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.039 Banquok came on and you said, fuck may there's a ghost. 362 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:48.919 Not that, And the Australian accent just adds so much 363 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:49.559 to it. 364 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.519 But at the same time you can hear Steve's character 365 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:53.240 doing it. 366 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.279 Yeah, well a dildo I see before me. 367 00:16:57.639 --> 00:16:59.759 Yeah, the handle toward man had. 368 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:05.480 And then you get all these the flash sort of 369 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:07.960 flash forwards. I guess of like her covered in blood 370 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:10.599 and stuff, which is quite creepy. I remember the first 371 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.839 time I watched it. I think that was intrigued me 372 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:14.839 more than anything else. Those bits. 373 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.839 I mean, when she's offering him the dagger and saying 374 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.599 take it. You know, it's quite. It's quite on the nose. Yeah, 375 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.440 But then I suppose if it had turned out that yes, 376 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.519 they were following the story of Macbeth and she was 377 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.920 responsible on this, and that it would have been very 378 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:30.359 on the nose. But the fact that they're sort of 379 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:32.880 laying that groundwork and then they go a different direction 380 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.160 with it. Yeah, I like when she's not mocking him. 381 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.599 There is a bit where she's mocking him, but then 382 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.640 she's also sort of just having a go at him 383 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:43.319 and just saying you just don't want it enough. And 384 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:44.960 she says about you're stuck in the corner of the 385 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.519 room like a television on standby, like she's really like 386 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.359 preying on his insecurities and stuff. 387 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:52.839 Well, he doesn't ever feel like he actually wants it, 388 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.599 wants it. I mean I kind of agree with her. 389 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.079 Obviously I wouldn't say that to him, but it is 390 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.279 brutal how she phrases it, but it's kind of true. 391 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:06.039 Yeah, I guess he's he's scared of, yeah, being successful. 392 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.880 Yeah, just you would be terrified, like he's your chance 393 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.400 and then you could absolutely screw it up. Yeah, in 394 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.279 front of a West End audience. Yeah, we must be 395 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:21.000 terrifying for your first time halfway through a show as well. Yeah, 396 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.799 when it gets to all the it gets harder and harder. 397 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.599 I guess as the show goes on as well. So 398 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.240 you've gott to jump in straight at eight or nine? 399 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.799 Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, then they decided to put 400 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.119 Tony back on. Yeah, because they think he's capable. 401 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.519