Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to
Speaker 1: William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very
Speaker 1: special guest. His name is Michael Hoffman, and he published
Speaker 1: a book recently titled Twilight Language. It's on Amazon. It
Speaker 1: has twenty one five star reviews now. But it's based
Speaker 1: upon a very influential book for me, which was published
Speaker 1: in April or May of two thousand and one. Title
Speaker 1: of that book is Secret Society's and Psychological Warfare. And
Speaker 1: I quoted that book in my book Children of the Beast.
Speaker 1: I think I published Children of the Beast in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: so that original quote is on there. It's about the
Speaker 1: monolith that he put he wrote about in Secret Societies
Speaker 1: in Psychological Warfare, which has two hundred and thirty three
Speaker 1: five star reviews right now. Michael Hoffman is an independent
Speaker 1: scholar and the author of ten books of history and literature,
Speaker 1: three of which have been published overseas in French and
Speaker 1: Japanese translations. He has studied political science and history under
Speaker 1: Faiz Abu Javert at the State University of New York
Speaker 1: at Oswego and at Hobert College under Francis J. M. A. Laughlin.
Speaker 1: He's a former reporter for the New York Bureau of
Speaker 1: the Associated Press and is now the editor of the
Speaker 1: Revisionist History Newsletter. And some of his other titles are
Speaker 1: The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome, They Were White and
Speaker 1: They Were Slaves, The Untold History of the Enslavement of
Speaker 1: Whites in Early America, and that's really been well read.
Speaker 1: There's many, many five star reviews of that. I have
Speaker 1: not heard of that title. Another one is usually and
Speaker 1: Christiandom The Mortal Sin that was and now is not.
Speaker 1: And then Adolf Hitler Enemy of the German People. And
Speaker 1: again we're going to talk about this book, which I
Speaker 1: have right here. He sent me a copy. I read
Speaker 1: through it and finished it today. Excellent book. Twilight Language,
Speaker 1: published twenty one. So, Michael Hoffman, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing to the interview.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: William awesome. For people who may not have heard your
Speaker 1: background or your earlier book, can you kind of just
Speaker 1: go do an overview of your kind of independent research
Speaker 1: and leading up to Twilight Language. Please. Well.
Speaker 2: I am a former reporter for the Associated Press that
Speaker 2: was way back in the nineteen eighties where I got
Speaker 2: a first hand front row seat at the level of
Speaker 2: media bias. I often say that there is more falsification
Speaker 2: due to O mission rather than co mission. In other words,
Speaker 2: outright lies or rather easy to spot. And it's what
Speaker 2: they leave out that's often critical to our current inability
Speaker 2: to really parse and factor the landscape of lies. But
Speaker 2: also I was fortunate in living in what I mentioned
Speaker 2: in the book Twilight Language. In fact, more than mentioned.
Speaker 2: There's actually a whole section on it, what the mainstream
Speaker 2: historians called the Psychic Highway or the Burned Over District.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the big sur or Berkeley, California
Speaker 2: area of the colonial and post colonial United States in
Speaker 2: the nineteenth century and eighteenth century nineteenth century where a
Speaker 2: series of strange events and occurrences which affected American history
Speaker 2: and to significant extent, world history, occurred along the forty
Speaker 2: second degree line of north parallel latitude. As you know
Speaker 2: from reading my books and from the schooling I received
Speaker 2: from my mentor James Shelby Downard, I've become very aware
Speaker 2: of what mister Downer called mystical toponymy and what happens
Speaker 2: both in terms of time as well as space and
Speaker 2: so on. The forty second degree line. You had the
Speaker 2: founding of the Mormons, you had the founding of feminism,
Speaker 2: and you had several other very important world historic events
Speaker 2: and activities. One of them was a new religion which
Speaker 2: is largely in decline now, but it was called spiritualism,
Speaker 2: and it involved contacting the dead, and it swept America.
Speaker 2: Everyone from the abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison to Mary Todd
Speaker 2: Lincoln in the White House were holding seances. Many of
Speaker 2: us seemed to think this was always more or less
Speaker 2: a commonplace part of the mythos of the occult, but
Speaker 2: actually it reached its pinnacle in the nineteenth century. And
Speaker 2: so there I was born and raised in this area,
Speaker 2: and then I went to the State University of New
Speaker 2: York at Oswego, where I took a political science course
Speaker 2: with a Palestinian professor, fayz Abu Jabber, who told me
Speaker 2: he knew that I was an aspiring historian. He told me,
Speaker 2: why are you looking into Napoleon or the French Revolution
Speaker 2: in Robespierre. Why don't you look in your own backyard,
Speaker 2: the psychic Highway, the burned over district. And that's where
Speaker 2: I began to plumb the depths of my own locale
Speaker 2: and the founding of the first major in world history.
Speaker 2: Opposition to Freemasonry organized and institutionalized also occurred in that
Speaker 2: burned over district Psychic Highway along the forty second of
Speaker 2: north Parallel latitude, and that related to the kidnapping and
Speaker 2: murder of William Morgan, who wrote a book revealing the
Speaker 2: secrets of Freemasonry, and that book remains important to this day.
Speaker 2: He was kidnapped from the Ontario County Canaondaga jail and
Speaker 2: drowned in the Niagara River, and from that, particularly in
Speaker 2: the northeastern United States, arose a national movement opposed to Freemasonry.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to note that many members of Lincoln's cabinet,
Speaker 2: both his kitchen cabinet in the sense of an informal
Speaker 2: de facto cabinet, such as Thurlow Weed and also his
Speaker 2: Secretary of State William Seward, were very early on members
Speaker 2: of this anti Masonic society and movement which actually formed
Speaker 2: the first political convention, national political convention in the history
Speaker 2: of the US, nominating the Attorney General William Wirt as
Speaker 2: its presidential candidate. So this was fascinating to me. It
Speaker 2: was just up the road from my birthplace. And I
Speaker 2: did write a little pamphlet in nineteen seventy eight called
Speaker 2: Masonic Assassination, and I grouped in Joseph Smith of the Mormons,
Speaker 2: who was indeed killed by a Masonic mob at the
Speaker 2: Old Carthage Jail. The Mormons rarely mentioned that in their
Speaker 2: tours or in their literature, but if you dig deep
Speaker 2: enough you'll find some Mormon sources for that. I've used
Speaker 2: other sources.
Speaker 1: Besides, I don't think Smith gave a Masonic warning before
Speaker 1: he was killed.
Speaker 2: Yes, he said, will no one helped the widow's son,
Speaker 2: which is the Masonic haaline of distress. But the Masons
Speaker 2: were tipped off ahead of time that he was a
Speaker 2: so called apostate Mason. He would give the signal and
Speaker 2: they were to shoot anyway. So in his particular case,
Speaker 2: it didn't avail. But that's right. Very few people know that.
Speaker 2: And I also list, and this is speculative, I list
Speaker 2: Edgar Allen Poe is possibly having been victimized by the Masons.
Speaker 2: The story about him being a drunkard and that he
Speaker 2: simply collapsed in Baltimore during the campaigning season. I highly
Speaker 2: question he was a prominent opponent of the Freemasons, and
Speaker 2: in fact, his short story The Cask of Amantiado is
Speaker 2: really an anti Masonic story. So from there it seemed
Speaker 2: like I was almost fore ordained to be involved in
Speaker 2: this research after many detours and struggles in my own
Speaker 2: career as a writer, a journalist, and eventually a professional historian.
Speaker 2: But that's more or less how I got started. I
Speaker 2: would also throw mister Rod Serline into the mix. His
Speaker 2: summer home was in the Psychic Highway near the forty
Speaker 2: second degree line of north parallel latitude, and I eventually
Speaker 2: got to know him. So Twilight language and the Twilight
Speaker 2: Zone all involves the crep esculaar. I suppose you could.
Speaker 1: Say, fascinating you've met Ron Sony. I mean, he's so
Speaker 1: important and that show is so influential and really has
Speaker 1: that Twilight morality. I think that's reflected of your two book,
Speaker 1: Secret Society and Psychological Warfare. In this book, how would
Speaker 1: you you spend time kind of defining Twilight language in
Speaker 1: the book? Can you share kind of what that represents,
Speaker 1: what that phrase represents?
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely, so Twilight language. What I'm talking about here
Speaker 2: is the address to the dreaming mind, not the unconscious,
Speaker 2: but the subconscious, the primordial Jungian archetypes of the subconscious psyche.
Speaker 1: And it's a.
Speaker 2: Time capsule that was and continues to be channeling from
Speaker 2: Pharonic Egypt, the words of power, Amuletic words which have
Speaker 2: an influence over us even when we don't realize it.
Speaker 2: And it's a ceremonial, transcendent processing of us. And what's
Speaker 2: unusual about it now, and what I mentioned in Twilight
Speaker 2: Languages and my book Twilight Language, is that this phenomena
Speaker 2: is now for the first time in history public. It's
Speaker 2: gone public. The people who are behind it what I
Speaker 2: call the cryptocracy, they don't care whether or not we
Speaker 2: know about it, whereas before it was heavily shrouded in secrecy.
Speaker 2: The reason for that being that they're solving at coagula.
Speaker 2: Alchemical process in other words, breakdown and then rebuild according
Speaker 2: to their script is well underway. And as a result
Speaker 2: of that, the revelation of the method, which is the
Speaker 2: next stage in terms of our bestialization and dehumanization, is
Speaker 2: well underway. And so what they feel is humanity in
Speaker 2: the West is in such tremendous decline that it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if they reveal their crimes and their methodology to us.
Speaker 2: For us, it'll become simply part of the carnival sideshow funhouse,
Speaker 2: is what I call it, really the fabulous double cross
Speaker 2: of his satanic majesty, And instead of us being angry
Speaker 2: about it and organizing about it, by and large, it
Speaker 2: becomes part of an entertainment network where we get a
Speaker 2: thrill from it, and then we become burned out having
Speaker 2: so many adrenaline rushes that conspiracy theory itself, which I
Speaker 2: find to be largely unhelpful rather than helpful with some
Speaker 2: honorable exceptions, becomes a search for increasingly more powerful thrills.
Speaker 2: And so we're looking for the secrets behind the Las
Speaker 2: Vegas massacre of Country and Western fans, or the secrets
Speaker 2: behind Ted Kaczynski and the unibomber. But once those secrets
Speaker 2: are revealed to us, what do we do with them?
Speaker 2: If we do nothing with them, if it simply empowers
Speaker 2: our apathy and our abuia, in other words, our loss
Speaker 2: of will, then we have descended down the ladder of
Speaker 2: consciousness and we're worse off as a result of it.
Speaker 2: So these things are all what I've tried to factor
Speaker 2: into my book Secret Society and Psychological Warfare as well
Speaker 2: as Twilight language, right, And you.
Speaker 1: Actually say in your book, like, because we're following along
Speaker 1: with that, we've also kind of the population has been
Speaker 1: a bolted to a certain extent, they've both been absorbed
Speaker 1: into this process. And I think that you're right.
Speaker 2: Antonine Artau, the famous French playwright and the forecaster of
Speaker 2: the theater of Cruelty as he called it, which is
Speaker 2: basically what our cinema and plays are today. He was
Speaker 2: the one who said that there would be a civic
Speaker 2: magic which would soon appear undisguised, and he was very
Speaker 2: prophetic in saying that, because he died in either the
Speaker 2: late nineteen forties or early nineteen fifties. And that's what
Speaker 2: we have. We have a civic magic that's appeared undisguised.
Speaker 2: Arthur C. Clark predicted the same thing in his nineteen
Speaker 2: fifties novel Childhood's End, which features a literal Satan dressed
Speaker 2: in the livery of what we've come to associate stereotypically
Speaker 2: with the devil walking in our midst After these interstellar
Speaker 2: vessels land on Earth and after an initial panic and
Speaker 2: initial concern, people become accustomed to it, and you're to it,
Speaker 2: and it's just another blip on the screen of Again.
Speaker 2: The decline evolution says we started out as simian creatures
Speaker 2: and are now ascending the evolutionary ladder toward the angelic.
Speaker 2: I actually believe the opposite. I believe we started out
Speaker 2: in an angelic state and we're descending into the simian
Speaker 2: and I see examples of that every day, right.
Speaker 1: And I think your theme of the book is just
Speaker 1: to how humanity has changed under these this cryptographical or
Speaker 1: cryptocracy assault different of so many different events. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go back to JFK and maybe you can talk like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that familiar with James Shelby Downard, and you
Speaker 1: have a picture of him at the intro. And you
Speaker 1: guys wrote together that kind of that influent, really influential
Speaker 1: journalistic writing. Was it King Kill thirty three? You and
Speaker 1: worked on that together?
Speaker 2: Crypt Yes, he said in the nineteen seventies, he sent
Speaker 2: me a huge box of xerox notes and his own
Speaker 2: thoughts and so forth, and then I distilled them into
Speaker 2: King Kill thirty three. And that was one of the
Speaker 2: first things when I first met mister Downerd. One of
Speaker 2: the first things that really made me think that he
Speaker 2: was someone I had to know and know more about
Speaker 2: and befriend was his take on the Kennedy assassination and
Speaker 2: where he saw Jack and Jackie as sex gods who
Speaker 2: descended to love Field in the Angel Airliner and proceeded
Speaker 2: to a Masonic temple site for the ritual sacrifice of
Speaker 2: the King of Camelot, witnessed by his Queen of erotic sublimity,
Speaker 2: attended by the three unworthy craftsmen and the magic powerhouse
Speaker 2: of Oz in the form of Ruby, who didn't wear
Speaker 2: the slippers but did possess the ersatz jewels a Jack
Speaker 2: Ruby in the jeweler's trade as a fake. And that's
Speaker 2: where we come into nine to eleven, the black Jack
Speaker 2: sixteen plus five era, the Tower card and the writer
Speaker 2: Waight Taro deck being sixteen and the Pentagon is five,
Speaker 2: and that's where we saw the nine to eleven attacks
Speaker 2: sixteen and five of Courses twenty one, and that becomes
Speaker 2: the thanatos threnity of our time. And so mister Downard
Speaker 2: was the first to alert me to that. He was
Speaker 2: the first to alert me to what he called other
Speaker 2: people call it the atomic bomb. He called it the
Speaker 2: creation and destruction of primordial matter on the thirty third
Speaker 2: degree of north parallel latitude, at the place where the
Speaker 2: Hornata del Muerto. This ancient road of death, the journey
Speaker 2: of the dead Man, literally in Spanish, ran into the
Speaker 2: White Sands missile site dead on the thirty third degree line,
Speaker 2: and not far from the thirty third degree line at
Speaker 2: the Triple Underpass and the Trinity River. John F. Kennedy
Speaker 2: had his appointment with destiny. So mister Downard's what he
Speaker 2: calls mystical toponymy merging this nighttime highway of our psyche
Speaker 2: mystical topography with crepuscular language, the inner landscape where time
Speaker 2: relations among events are assumed to be first constituted by
Speaker 2: the specific physical relations obtaining between them. I more or
Speaker 2: less extrapolated that from his own insight because he was
Speaker 2: very concerned with how the Kennedy administration had been labeled Camelot.
Speaker 2: And in Camelot the concept is the once and future Camelot.
Speaker 1: Th H.
Speaker 2: White wrote a book about that, meaning always present. And
Speaker 2: so when you have this concept of time relations among
Speaker 2: events being first constituted by the physical space that they occupy,
Speaker 2: you can see the resonance of that, and that's what
Speaker 2: mister Downard was pointing to. And then later on I
Speaker 2: had my own foray into the forty second degree of
Speaker 2: north parallel latitude in terms of here is this space
Speaker 2: in time, but it remains in space, so it's there
Speaker 2: even as time passes. And this is part of the
Speaker 2: infinitesmally programmed ritual which is intended to basically kill our
Speaker 2: minds and usher in the world foretold by the astrologer
Speaker 2: Royal for Queen Elizabeth, doctor John d when he forecasts
Speaker 2: that we would be ruled by dead matter, which was
Speaker 2: in my view shorthand for computers in the digital world,
Speaker 2: they're dead, they're not alive. It's interesting that the camel
Speaker 2: is said to be a questing beast and the root
Speaker 2: of the word camelot, although many people have proposed different
Speaker 2: words for that, including Old English towns, commendulum, and others.
Speaker 2: But the camel is derived via Latin and Greek. Camelis
Speaker 2: in Latin and cami lois from the Hebrew gamal, and
Speaker 2: the Hebrew denotation of gamal is derived from the verbal
Speaker 2: root meaning repain and kind. And I could go deeper
Speaker 2: into these things But what I'm suggesting here is that
Speaker 2: if you've ever been to the Latin Tridentine Mass, which
Speaker 2: was derogated during the reign of Pope Paul six. But
Speaker 2: I was a child at the time the Mass was
Speaker 2: going on. In fact, I was even an altar boy
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen sixties. And you see, for no
Speaker 2: other reason, watching the priest, every gesture that he makes
Speaker 2: has tremendous significance, how he even holds his fingers and
Speaker 2: where he stands. And that gave me an understanding of
Speaker 2: the importance of ritual, not just to the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: or even to the caricatured Black Mass, which is largely
Speaker 2: a product of Hollywood. I mean, there is such a thing,
Speaker 2: and there's even the Gnostic Mass, which is more accurate
Speaker 2: and more popular among occultists. But there is a Black Mass,
Speaker 2: but it's been horribly popularized and caricatured out of all
Speaker 2: form of what it originally intended. But the symbolic import
Speaker 2: of the Black Mass, or its exact opposite, the Tridentine Mass,
Speaker 2: is that gestures, rituals and words process people. The Tridentine
Speaker 2: Latin Mass process the pagan people of Europe. Those robust
Speaker 2: vikings into pious Roman Catholics. How did it do that?
Speaker 2: Very few people have undertaken that study. And by the
Speaker 2: same token and open air black mass if you will,
Speaker 2: using Twilight language, using modern advertising techniques, using ritual murders
Speaker 2: placed along sites of significance, have acted in the general
Speaker 2: processing of humanity and more specifically of those of us
Speaker 2: here in the cauldron of that alchemical process, the crucible
Speaker 2: of it the American Southwest and to a larger extent,
Speaker 2: the United States of America itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just incredible. And you have I think it's
Speaker 1: very proposed the Africa Daverte angle right there at the
Speaker 1: intro to your book, and you have those things like
Speaker 1: these words have power. So the words that are being
Speaker 1: used by the cryptocracy or things that are integrated into
Speaker 1: these events. And I think that the Camelot Killing of
Speaker 1: the King thirty three, Twilight Language, and kind of like
Speaker 1: the psychosphere are almost our overlap. I think that. So
Speaker 1: even today I have all these guests on we're still
Speaker 1: talking about the jfk assassination, and I'm actually talking to
Speaker 1: another one right after this about that event. So it's
Speaker 1: reverberated through generations. It's very powerful.
Speaker 2: Yes. Indeed, the problem for me with what's happened with
Speaker 2: the killing of our President Kennedy is that it's had
Speaker 2: an X files muddying of the waters where people propose
Speaker 2: one hundred different solutions to the assassination of President Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I'm not proposing any solutions. I am enamored of the
Speaker 2: epistemology of Charles Fort, and Fort didn't propose solutions. He
Speaker 2: studied mysteries and their effect on humanity and how humanity
Speaker 2: was being shepherded as a result of that. But in
Speaker 2: terms of proposing an overall systemic answer to things, I mean,
Speaker 2: I can give some answers to particular murder cases that
Speaker 2: I covered as a reporter in New York, But in
Speaker 2: terms of this overarching occult metaphysic, I think that that's
Speaker 2: probably too big for me to handle, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if other people are handling as well, Because what we
Speaker 2: have in the conspiracy theory movement, and I don't consider
Speaker 2: myself part of it, is a kind of oracular gibberish.
Speaker 2: I've listened to some podcasts and programs where people have
Speaker 2: an encyclopedic recitation of various aspects of occult lore and
Speaker 2: yet when the broadcast is concluded, I ask myself, what's
Speaker 2: the sum total of all of that tremendous knowledge and
Speaker 2: data that has been more or less recited. My concern
Speaker 2: is to get to the root of these issues so
Speaker 2: that people will be armed against psychic manipulation in their lives.
Speaker 2: And watching, as you say, this parade of a mythos,
Speaker 2: the Kennedy assassination mythos in the sense of that king,
Speaker 2: that glittering king, you know, probably the best looking president
Speaker 2: who's ever occupied the White House, and best looking first
Speaker 2: lady and everything associated with it, and then this ceremonial
Speaker 2: murder of him according to a killing of the king right,
Speaker 2: which is well known among those who are students of
Speaker 2: the occult and of mythology. And so I'm interested in
Speaker 2: this precise a honing of that as we can get,
Speaker 2: and I'm very leary of just having the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 2: enter this general kind of popularization. I mentioned love Field
Speaker 2: and the erotic aspect and the king kill aspect, but
Speaker 2: also mister Downard was keen on the three Unworthy Craftsmen,
Speaker 2: which in terms of rather mundane and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with it, because they don't know any better. But the
Speaker 2: mundane researchers into the Kennedy killing talk about the three
Speaker 2: hoboes that were arrested, and there's been a long debate
Speaker 2: about who they are, as at E. Howard hunting and
Speaker 2: is it and so for me, that image transcends seeking
Speaker 2: out the identity, and this is what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: point people to. It's important to find out if indeed
Speaker 2: we can, who those people were. But for mister Downard
Speaker 2: and myself, it's the symbolism of that the mystery associated
Speaker 2: with these three individuals dressed shabbily like most Americans are
Speaker 2: dressed today back then that would draw attention today, that's
Speaker 2: how we go to the grocery store in the walmart,
Speaker 2: but dressed in this manner, they're recreating a Masonic image.
Speaker 2: For those who know about the very important Masonic image
Speaker 2: of the three unworthy craftsmen who are supposed to be
Speaker 2: the assassins of Hiram of Tire, who was the builder
Speaker 2: of the Temple of Jerusalem. Now that can be dismissed
Speaker 2: as Hebrew or Old Testament mythology, but it's very important
Speaker 2: in Freemasonry. And whenever we see these images coming up,
Speaker 2: Masonic images Kennedy was killed in Dealey Plaza, the sight
Speaker 2: of the first Masonic temple, just like Miter Square, which
Speaker 2: has tremendous significance for British Freemasonry, was the site of
Speaker 2: some of the Jack the Rippert murders. These things have
Speaker 2: to be knitted together. And what I've tried to do
Speaker 2: is point things out that other researchers have missed while
Speaker 2: not falling into the fever swamp, that I think a
Speaker 2: lot of conspiracy theory represents, and which, as I say
Speaker 2: in my book Twilight Language, I believe the cryptocracy actually
Speaker 2: is embedded inside conspiracy theory and uses a great deal
Speaker 2: of it for its own effects in terms of demoralizing
Speaker 2: us and in terms of spreading apathy. And what I
Speaker 2: should say is is that as a an epistemologist, I'd
Speaker 2: like to quote a key statement by Charles Fort which
Speaker 2: many Fordians are aware of and we often trade with
Speaker 2: one another, and it's this quote. Wise men have tried
Speaker 2: to understand our state of being by grasping it its stars,
Speaker 2: or its arts, or its economics. But if there's an
Speaker 2: underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where
Speaker 2: we begin, whether with stars or laws of supply and demand,
Speaker 2: or frogs or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle beginning
Speaker 2: anywhere end quote from Charles Fort And I think that
Speaker 2: the uses of measurement is what we're really fighting here.
Speaker 2: What yard stick do we apply to reality? What yard
Speaker 2: stick are we applying to the assassination of JFK. Is
Speaker 2: it one limited by empirical history and research alone, or
Speaker 2: should we be using the yardstick of the cryptocracy itself?
Speaker 2: It is the string, pit pullar and puppet master behind
Speaker 2: many of these events. So I realized that some people
Speaker 2: will think that, you know, my research is so off
Speaker 2: the wall, but it's in keeping with this forty and epistemology. Uh,
Speaker 2: mister Downerd. Uh was Adam Parfrey of Farreal House Press
Speaker 2: that brought this up. Mister Downard gives us a sense
Speaker 2: of wonder when he opened up the doors of perception
Speaker 2: in this particular way, to see that there's so much
Speaker 2: more involved in what our adversaries would like us to
Speaker 2: limit to current events and the news of the day,
Speaker 2: and there's so much more behind it. It is a
Speaker 2: world of wonder, but unfortunately it can be a very
Speaker 2: macabre or indeed even malignant one.
Speaker 1: And I think those three was as Jews. It's a
Speaker 1: ju w e s right, the three unworthy, the jew
Speaker 1: as yes h led it into the Masonic temple. So
Speaker 1: they were paraded out by the cops, walk no handcuffs
Speaker 1: and right to the Masonic temples my understanding.
Speaker 2: And then there well, I don't know about being marched
Speaker 2: into a Masonic temple, but I do know that their
Speaker 2: identity was lost. You know, the records are It's like
Speaker 2: with the Manson case. The book Chaos Is. I recommend
Speaker 2: it and I just reviewed it in our Revisionist history
Speaker 2: newsletter and there'neill Yeah, And O'Neill's done some really good work,
Speaker 2: hard work what they would call in French trevail the
Speaker 2: Benedictine here and one of the things he points out is,
Speaker 2: you know, most of the records are gone, and this
Speaker 2: is you know, Charlie Manson's case has almost the same
Speaker 2: mythological status in American pop culture as the JFK killing.
Speaker 2: Even though I believe that the JFK killing, like the
Speaker 2: creation and destruction of primordial matter, the landing on the Moon,
Speaker 2: I know some people believe we didn't go there. I
Speaker 2: believe we did, at least some of the flights were authentic,
Speaker 2: and then nine to eleven. For me, those are absolute
Speaker 2: key changes in our person and in the history of
Speaker 2: the world and where we're headed. But certainly Manson is
Speaker 2: an important footnote to that. And as mister O'Neil points
Speaker 2: out over and over in his book, when he went
Speaker 2: to look for the records, whether it's the court records
Speaker 2: of the very important Susan Atkins' very first statements before
Speaker 2: she had been tutored by her mob lawyer. She originally
Speaker 2: had an honest lawyer at first he was pushed out
Speaker 2: of the picture. And that first court hearing where her
Speaker 2: statement was entered into the record, that's gone records of
Speaker 2: Manson's early year sixty seven and sixty eight in San
Speaker 2: Francisco Bay area, where his parole officer sent him dispatched.
Speaker 2: This guy who had been locked up in prison probably
Speaker 2: you know, was a sixties guy, a nineteen fifties guy,
Speaker 2: nothing like the Manson that would be recast in terms
Speaker 2: of the psychological warfare that was used against him by
Speaker 2: the CIA and so forth. So, yeah, the paper trail
Speaker 2: they like to get a hold of destroy as quickly
Speaker 2: as they can, and so that part of research is
Speaker 2: very important. I mean I was in Lincoln, Montana, just
Speaker 2: almost immediately after Ted Kazinski was arrested in the so
Speaker 2: called University and airline bombing or what the FBI termed
Speaker 2: it in a kind of Twilight language word unabomb. And
Speaker 2: of course there's now a ridiculous Hollywood movie completely muddying
Speaker 2: the waters like Belosi did with Helter Skelter and then
Speaker 2: the resulting movie and Ted Kazinski. He committed some of
Speaker 2: those atrocities, yes, not all of them. The FBI was
Speaker 2: deeply involved in shepherding Ted Kazinski. I have evidence of that.
Speaker 2: I was on the scene. I talked to his neighbors.
Speaker 2: This was before the mainstream media really got it going.
Speaker 2: And I was also able to make contact with Kazinski
Speaker 2: when he was in the local jail there in Helena.
Speaker 2: He wanted me to visit him, and I was blocked
Speaker 2: by his federally appointed federal defense attorney. And uh he
Speaker 2: lived again, bringing up the mystical toponymy element. He lived
Speaker 2: in the Scapegoat Wilderness, not far from the Scapegoat Cafe.
Speaker 2: And if there ever was a Scapegoat, it's Theodore Kazinski, PhD.
Speaker 2: Who was subjected to LSD so called research connected with
Speaker 2: Harvard University. So we go down and down this rabbit trail.
Speaker 1: By a very well known spook spook psychologist. Right, I
Speaker 1: forgot his name off hand, but that guy was he
Speaker 1: was uh, he was working with Leary too, who was
Speaker 1: also working with Kazinski at the time. Right.
Speaker 2: And another and another spook psychiatrist, as you term it,
Speaker 2: appropriately working with Manson out of the out of the
Speaker 2: Hayde Ashbury Free Clinic.
Speaker 1: So called Charlian West.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah West, right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's really fascinating. So you've had these contacts. Also,
Speaker 1: you went and visited Charles Harrison, who was got arrested
Speaker 1: for killing a federal judge too, right.
Speaker 2: I tried to That was the key. I went to
Speaker 2: his son, the actor Woody Harrelson, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was at a restaurant with him in San Francisco. And
Speaker 2: what my my goal was is to you know what
Speaker 2: he had said he had larned me, said, my father
Speaker 2: is a CIA agent, and uh, you know, g a
Speaker 2: mafia hitman is a CIA agent, you know. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot that he wanted to say and he couldn't.
Speaker 2: And I thought that, you know, here's the opportunity because
Speaker 2: none of these people, none of the perpetrators of these
Speaker 2: high profile UH Twilight Zone type of killings, such as
Speaker 2: the assassination of President Kennedy and so forth, have ever
Speaker 2: been brought to justice, which is why it's so easy
Speaker 2: for the cryptocracy to recruit people to commit these crimes
Speaker 2: because of this veritable immunity. And so it was my
Speaker 2: goal to get into Charles Harrelson. He was still alive
Speaker 2: at the time. He was in prison serving a life
Speaker 2: sentence and having having his son wrecked amend me. Well,
Speaker 2: that didn't go well at all. I admit I was
Speaker 2: too abrupt. I basically just you know, gave him both
Speaker 2: barrels instead of slowly working up. In the course of
Speaker 2: our conversation, he and I had a mutual friend in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: He wanted to discuss the mutual friend. I wanted to
Speaker 2: discuss his father, and I rather abruptly confronted him with
Speaker 2: you know, did your father kill President Kennedy? And I
Speaker 2: wanted to go from there and to having him understand that.
Speaker 2: Since I was twelve years old, I have been deeply
Speaker 2: and profoundly concerned with the killing of the King and
Speaker 2: Daly Plaza, and I would be the guy who would
Speaker 2: who would see this all the way to the end.
Speaker 2: And he started crying and his I don't want to
Speaker 2: mention any names here, I'll just say the woman that
Speaker 2: he was with intervened then and felt that I was
Speaker 2: ruining his day and that was that was the end
Speaker 2: of that. So I did the best that I could
Speaker 2: with the resources that I had. I'm surprised that other
Speaker 2: better positioned journalists and researchers weren't successful there and why
Speaker 2: Woody wouldn't have been the gateway to grant that if
Speaker 2: indeed his father would have cooperated. But I don't see
Speaker 2: what his father had to lose, unless, of course, the
Speaker 2: family is threatened. It's same thing with McVeigh with the
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City bombing, and to a lesser extent with Kazinski.
Speaker 2: The cryptocracy will if you yourself are fearless, you're willing
Speaker 2: to go ahead. Quite often the cryptocracy in order to
Speaker 2: buy your silence, and some silence is still necessary even
Speaker 2: in this revelation of the method era. They will threaten,
Speaker 2: often indirectly hint at threatening your mother, your girlfriend, your daughter,
Speaker 2: your sister, or whomever. And I definitely think that that
Speaker 2: could have been a factor for Woody's reluctance, although I'm
Speaker 2: not going to speculate because I don't know, But where's
Speaker 2: the rest of the media on this and getting to
Speaker 2: perhaps the last key person involved profoundly if indeed he
Speaker 2: was with the Kennedy assassination. So things like this churs
Speaker 2: we have one of the most corrupt medias of mass
Speaker 2: communication on Earth, and that's that's a big part of
Speaker 2: our problem here in the United States today.
Speaker 1: And I think Charles Harrelson at one point implicated himself
Speaker 1: and then retracted it. And there used to be that
Speaker 1: all over the internet. There used to be well those
Speaker 1: interviews were on the YouTube and they're inve all been
Speaker 1: taken down. I don't know what happened to them, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's an interesting side story. I mean, and you
Speaker 1: were also you said in your book you were friends
Speaker 1: with or a co writer with Jim Keith Right, who
Speaker 1: somehow can you not a co write.
Speaker 2: I respected Jim and he respected me. I liked his
Speaker 2: books Secret and Suppressed, and I also like the fact
Speaker 2: that he was on the trail of Roger Robert kg Temple,
Speaker 2: who wrote the book The Serious Mystery. Nineteen seventy seven
Speaker 2: was an interesting year and one of the lots of
Speaker 2: important books came out that year, including Alister Crowley and
Speaker 2: The Hidden God. And then the nineteen seventy seven was
Speaker 2: really a key year, and so Robert KG. Temple's book
Speaker 2: The Serious Mystery was published in nineteen seventy seven and
Speaker 2: he did a tour of the United States on radio.
Speaker 2: There weren't podcasts at that time, and Jim intervened. He
Speaker 2: got on the air with him as a caller. I guess,
Speaker 2: and he took some of my first pages of my book,
Speaker 2: Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, which more or less excoriates
Speaker 2: Robert KG. Temple, not for the revelations he made about
Speaker 2: how the star system Serious is at the heart of
Speaker 2: Pharonic Egypt's cosmology and also that of the Scottish rit
Speaker 2: of Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction, which is the most powerful branch
Speaker 2: of Freemasonry in the world, but also the fact that
Speaker 2: Temple was talking about this utopian type of hippie paganism
Speaker 2: which was so far superior to the Church and Christian Yanity.
Speaker 2: And what I point out in Secret Societies and Psychological
Speaker 2: Warfare is is that. Actually it's a hidden church, far
Speaker 2: more disciplined and far more inquisitorial and demanding of obedience
Speaker 2: than even the old Catholic Church was. And I gave
Speaker 2: Jim a lot of credit for actually confronting Temple with that,
Speaker 2: and Temple mumbled some type of gibberish and moved on.
Speaker 2: But also Jim's death, I mean, very mysterious at burning Man.
Speaker 2: And you know, Burning Man is fairly important for recreating
Speaker 2: the figure that was popularized in the movie The Wicker Man.
Speaker 1: And of course the word talk about in this book often, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the word wicker is a key Twilight language word.
Speaker 2: And so Jim had a broken leg. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is all secondhand, but Jim had a broken somehow was
Speaker 2: injured with a broken leg at Burning Man and then
Speaker 2: died in the hospital there locally, whatever the nearest hospital was.
Speaker 2: I grant you it was ways away. But this didn't
Speaker 2: involve arterial bleeding. How do you die of a broken leg?
Speaker 2: And to the best of my knowledge, he didn't have
Speaker 2: any other ailments, so I wonder you know what that was.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jim, Jim was a good guy. And in
Speaker 2: many ways Adam Parfrey was important for having I turned
Speaker 2: over King Kill thirty three to him for publication in
Speaker 2: his book Apocalypse Culture, which was a bestseller and really
Speaker 2: helped to spread James Shelby Downard's information, right.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Parfrey recently passed away too, So yeah.
Speaker 2: He had very severe diabetes. You know, he had a
Speaker 2: shunt in his brain from a concussion. Yeah, that was tragic.
Speaker 2: He died the same age as his character actor father,
Speaker 2: Woodie Parfrey, who was a wonderful actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was the guy selling snake oil in the Outlaw.
Speaker 2: Josie Wales was Yeah, yeah, the Brinagin in the eight movies.
Speaker 2: And but also and quite a guy. Yeah, Adam had
Speaker 2: a whole fund of anecdotes about Hollywood, and his father
Speaker 2: wasn't really that high on other actors.
Speaker 1: I can tell you. That's interesting. I mean, and then
Speaker 1: you kind of I mean you talk, you know about
Speaker 1: the heart, like all these strange shootings, Harvest Festival, d C,
Speaker 1: Sniper Holmes, Aurora, Virginia Tech. There's something very very strange
Speaker 1: going on behind a lot of these shootings. And Kazinski too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just wearing us out, it really is. I Mean,
Speaker 2: the American people are aware of these things in the
Speaker 2: back of their mind. And that's why I'm starting to
Speaker 2: see this shabbiness. I'm always looking for signs of psychological deterioration.
Speaker 2: And I even noticed that the State of the Union address,
Speaker 2: mister Biden's recent State of the Union address, where I
Speaker 2: saw not to disrespect the ladies that were there, I'm
Speaker 2: sure some of them were dressed very well. Amy Coney
Speaker 2: Barrett from the Supreme Court was well dressed. But some
Speaker 2: of the other eighties, they're dressed in this kind of rude, polyester,
Speaker 2: shabby clothing. I just see a decline everywhere, including in
Speaker 2: the livery of humanity, in terms of these things. And
Speaker 2: I'll give you, if you'll indulge me, a brief passage
Speaker 2: from Twilight Language on page forty nine. Perhaps this will
Speaker 2: be maybe the best encapsulation I can give you in
Speaker 2: the time remaining. It's subtitled The Fabulous Double Cross of
Speaker 2: His Satanic Majesty. A familiar pattern in the revelation of
Speaker 2: the method is to leak beats and pieces of evidence
Speaker 2: of criminal conspiracy and then ensure that the perpetrator gives
Speaker 2: vague answers or talks around the subject, as George W.
Speaker 2: Bush did The goal of the revelation is to desensitize
Speaker 2: Americans to the fact of Bush's complicity in nine to
Speaker 2: eleven by exposing them to an intermittent, occasionally dramatic, but
Speaker 2: mostly low level buzz. By this conditioning process, aware of
Speaker 2: Bush's connivans gradually becomes absorbed into the din of what
Speaker 2: I call the process morphing into the substrata of the
Speaker 2: digital psychedelic funhouse. The slowly dawning revelation of Bush's treason
Speaker 2: becomes not a basis for indictment and prosecution, but a
Speaker 2: sideshow for the game zone sarcastic management simulator, a macabre
Speaker 2: yet perversely sexy rumor mill that burnishes Bush's potency and
Speaker 2: aura and plays on the people's jaded sense of awe
Speaker 2: in the presence of a Satanic majesty who commands such
Speaker 2: power that he can successfully mount a fabulous double cross
Speaker 2: and still thrive. And so it's a sense of like, Wow,
Speaker 2: there's this power, and we're in awe of it, even
Speaker 2: behind our sort of front story that we're seeking to
Speaker 2: bring these perpetrators to justice. But I think our spirit
Speaker 2: and our mind has been so harmed and damaged by
Speaker 2: knowing that these weird crimes, and you gave a brief
Speaker 2: inventory of them, have been happening with no one being
Speaker 2: brought to justice. And there's a sense, just like the
Speaker 2: majority of Americans believed there was a conspiracy to kill
Speaker 2: President Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy Junior, as his own
Speaker 2: son Bobby has courageously set forth, but also in these
Speaker 2: other so called serial murders and crimes, that there is
Speaker 2: a tremendous evil inside the federal government and operating with
Speaker 2: the cooperation of elites in America, including the executives of
Speaker 2: the major media outlets. And yet and yet nothing is
Speaker 2: being done. And so it becomes grist for this entertainment mill.
Speaker 2: And that is mind killing and soul killing. And that's
Speaker 2: basically one of the major themes of my books.
Speaker 1: Right. It's very well said, very well written too, Michael,
Speaker 1: about the forty minute mark, do you mind taking a
Speaker 1: few questions. I've got a number of questions from people, certainly,
Speaker 1: Sir Oswald Spangler asked, does Hoffman think the resurgence of
Speaker 1: interest in Kazinsky's writings has been organic?
Speaker 2: I think so in a sense because Adam Parfrey was
Speaker 2: in touch with mister doctor Kazinsky and published a lot
Speaker 2: of his writing, and also, I believe from Farrellhause, there's
Speaker 2: a whole book of Kazinsky's writing. I've tried to go
Speaker 2: through it, and I find it turgid and sort of
Speaker 2: self evident. I mean, we know that the planet is
Speaker 2: under attack by predatory capitalism, but I don't think that
Speaker 2: the way to go about it is with terrorist methods
Speaker 2: or with shutting down Western civilization. I mean, we should
Speaker 2: be We should have the innovative talent and inventiveness to
Speaker 2: do it without completely shuttering our civilization. In fact, I
Speaker 2: don't even think it would be completely shuttered. I think
Speaker 2: that you would find, as certain movies are now implanting
Speaker 2: in our minds, the notion that there would be islands
Speaker 2: of repose and edenic sections that would be reserved for
Speaker 2: the plutocrats and the politically connected, and they would have
Speaker 2: all the modern conveniences and energy, and the rest of
Speaker 2: humanity would be reduced to this virtual subhuman level. So
Speaker 2: as far as the notion that it's forced, I don't
Speaker 2: think so. But I don't think that the cryptocracy has
Speaker 2: any objection to circulating his manuscripts because they're written in
Speaker 2: such a tone that I don't think it really is
Speaker 2: much of a recruiting piece. And also since they themselves
Speaker 2: know that they were partly responsible for the terrorism that
Speaker 2: was unleashed under UNIBOM, I'll give you one example. I
Speaker 2: don't mean to be cryptic here, deliberately, they never searched
Speaker 2: for any accomplices in the unibomber case, and I know
Speaker 2: that for a fact. If I were called to testify,
Speaker 2: I would provide more of the information. And the reason
Speaker 2: I'm not going into it now is because we have
Speaker 2: limited time in it. I couldn't do justice to it.
Speaker 2: But I can tell you as an eyewitness to that
Speaker 2: that they didn't search for other accomplices. They knew from
Speaker 2: the beginning that it was only Ted and the secret
Speaker 2: government inside the federal government that was responsible, and Ted
Speaker 2: Kazinski did not commit all of those killings. So to
Speaker 2: answer the question, I don't think they're much worried about
Speaker 2: the texts because that's not the whole story by any
Speaker 2: means of un obamber.
Speaker 1: So they did some of the youth saying the government
Speaker 1: did some of the bombs that are attributed to Konzitzi
Speaker 1: or the cryptocracy did it?
Speaker 2: Government agents were surveilling Kazinski almost the entire time that
Speaker 2: un Obamber was going on. I believe that he had
Speaker 2: been marked out for something like this ever since his
Speaker 2: Harvard days. Don't forget there's a notion that a lot
Speaker 2: of this recruiting goes on in psychiatric centers where a
Speaker 2: certain psychiatrists, and and you and I have noted earlier
Speaker 2: that the mk Ultra program involved a number of psychiatrists
Speaker 2: in key positions, often very elite, and they look for
Speaker 2: people who fit a profile not just in psychiatric centers,
Speaker 2: but also brilliant people in some of the leading universities.
Speaker 2: And I think that Kazinsky was one of them who
Speaker 2: was planted that way. And Manson at the other end,
Speaker 2: maybe of the of the cerebral scale, but nonetheless in
Speaker 2: terms of charisma, was also spotted in that way. But yes,
Speaker 2: I believe that assets of the federal government, unquestionably were
Speaker 2: some of the ones who perpetrated what was ascribed to Kazinsky.
Speaker 2: Don't forget Kazinski, like David Berkowitz and son of Sam,
Speaker 2: like the putative killer of Martin Luther King and others,
Speaker 2: these guys have no trials. Okay, Kazinsky was medicated. At
Speaker 2: the last time he appeared in front of a judge,
Speaker 2: he was under medication. Now someone can say, well, the
Speaker 2: judge asked him whether it was under medication right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's true, but he didn't ask him whether he'd been
Speaker 2: medicated twenty four hours before that. And as we know,
Speaker 2: heavy medication stays in your bloodstream. So it was an
Speaker 2: interesting loophole that they created. But yes, he was under
Speaker 2: the influence of psychotropic drugs and he never really defended himself.
Speaker 2: He didn't have the attorney that he wanted. He wasn't
Speaker 2: allowed to talk to me. His federal defense attorney obstructed that,
Speaker 2: and we see this down the line. So yes, absolutely
Speaker 2: there was no search for his accomplices, any possible accomplices,
Speaker 2: because they knew who did it, and they could have
Speaker 2: gone over for example, to the University of Montana in Missoula,
Speaker 2: which was not far from where Kazinski was in Lincoln,
Speaker 2: where they have a very active environmental group. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that they're radicals, are terrorists. There was no real
Speaker 2: earnest search over there. There was no authentic search for
Speaker 2: accomplices in the Kazinsky case. And for me, that pretty
Speaker 2: much says it all.
Speaker 1: Right, and you actually include that in DC sniper case
Speaker 1: there was a federal woman who somehow got shot too.
Speaker 1: That makes that whole thing really suspicious, and all the
Speaker 1: occult elements there. It's really just an incredible like what's
Speaker 1: going on in this country? I mean, Lee Elman asks,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on behavior modification and coercion and
Speaker 1: how hard or easy is it to use social engineering
Speaker 1: on the mass population? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what our media is today. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: an open air social engineering is basically what it is.
Speaker 2: Look at how I'm going to step on some toes here,
Speaker 2: and I don't hope you don't get banned, But look
Speaker 2: at how a fundamental premise of biology, which is indisputable
Speaker 2: that this person has xx chromosomes and this person has
Speaker 2: x y, and each delineation there is is what denotes
Speaker 2: whether you're a man or a woman. Okay, and now
Speaker 2: we're told that someone with xx chromosomes is not what
Speaker 2: that indicates, but they are of the opposite sex. And
Speaker 2: so this is such an absurd assault on reality. Yet,
Speaker 2: like with the Emperor who has no clothes, we're not
Speaker 2: allowed to say that he has no clothes. It takes
Speaker 2: a childlike mind to step up and say the emperor
Speaker 2: has no clothes, a childlike innocence to step up and say, well,
Speaker 2: an xx chromosome in one person has to distinguish that
Speaker 2: person from an x y chromosome. We've lost that level
Speaker 2: of reality, and that's an indication of how far we
Speaker 2: have been processed. And the processing goes on in the
Speaker 2: Academy award ceremonies. I know that my friends in the
Speaker 2: Nation of Islam, the Black Muslims, have taken a tremendous
Speaker 2: objection to seeing black guy. The last Academy award, a
Speaker 2: black man was there in a huge dress. Maybe some
Speaker 2: people feel that's fine, okay. The Nation of Islam didn't.
Speaker 2: They wondered why a black man was being to put
Speaker 2: forth this androgynous image, which is very central to the
Speaker 2: alchemical change agency which I mentioned in my book and
Speaker 2: talking to I go right into the early rescrution order
Speaker 2: and the symbolism connected with that. As the occult moved
Speaker 2: through originally the medici and the Catholic Church in Florence
Speaker 2: and in Rome in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, and
Speaker 2: then moved into Protestant circles, and then from re Secrutionism
Speaker 2: became Freemasonry. But that type of processing used to be
Speaker 2: limited to those who entered the lodge and went through
Speaker 2: the initiatory steps. Now it's an open air initiation using
Speaker 2: the media of mass communication. So you won't see the
Speaker 2: Amish being that heavily processed, and you won't see other
Speaker 2: people who live lives off the grid in that particular way.
Speaker 2: You really have to be tied into the data hive
Speaker 2: in order to get the processing. So Ultra is now
Speaker 2: right out in the open, embedded and embedded in our
Speaker 2: movies and television and of course the Internet and video
Speaker 2: games and virtual reality as it's.
Speaker 1: Called so true, and you use that term throughout your
Speaker 1: book Capital p process. It remind me of the process
Speaker 1: Church of the Final Judgment, like that process of going
Speaker 1: towards the apocalypse or something like that. One more question
Speaker 1: from Lee Hilldoggy. He asks, what does Michael recommend we
Speaker 1: do to counter this cryptocracy?
Speaker 2: Well, of course I'm a Christian, and you know, for me,
Speaker 2: I turned to the Book of Romans, chapter seven, chapter
Speaker 2: the middle part around Romans sevent and continuing on into
Speaker 2: chapter eight into the middle of that chapter, and that's
Speaker 2: where the Apostle Paul himself confronts his I mean, it's
Speaker 2: amazing part of the New Testament where the Apostle Paul
Speaker 2: is confronting his own sins and transgressions, even though he
Speaker 2: is reputed and indeed, I believe he is the greatest
Speaker 2: Christian missionary of all time, and yet he was still
Speaker 2: wrestling not only with shortcomings but unmentioned sins that he was.
Speaker 2: And the basic answer to that is, if you claim
Speaker 2: Christ as your savior, if you believe that He died
Speaker 2: on the cross for your sins, and that he rose
Speaker 2: again and defeated death, you are one of You are
Speaker 2: part of God's people. And I think that one of
Speaker 2: the problems that we're enduring today is is that that's
Speaker 2: really been betrayed, and that awareness has been betrayed. Now
Speaker 2: I know about what was done to the American Indians
Speaker 2: in the name of Christ. I'm very well aware of
Speaker 2: how Christ has been misapplied. But also that doesn't take
Speaker 2: away from the origin of it. The prevailing digital ethos
Speaker 2: is extinguishing our humanity by causing us to renig the covenant.
Speaker 2: A nation and a people predestined by God to good things,
Speaker 2: to being shepherds of this earth, for example, instead of
Speaker 2: building house upon health and californicating all of the land,
Speaker 2: giving space for humanity to develop. What about usury? What
Speaker 2: about the renting of money? That was a mortal sin,
Speaker 2: a sin that could condemn you to hell. And then
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church fell in beginning in the sixteenth century
Speaker 2: for situation ethics. It spread to Protestantism, and now any
Speaker 2: Christian and good standing and the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: churches in the world can rent money, meaning usury, at
Speaker 2: any rate of interest. It doesn't matter whether it's one
Speaker 2: percent or one hundred percent. Otherwise, if you tell me
Speaker 2: that prostitution is bad only if you paid one thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for it, but if you got it at a
Speaker 2: cut rate, it Isn't you know? This is all the
Speaker 2: wages of situation ethics. So for me, it's in Christ,
Speaker 2: but it's the true Christ. And I think there's been
Speaker 2: a whole campaign of descemption based on TV preachers and
Speaker 2: all of these profoundly immoral, greedy people who in the
Speaker 2: name and violent people and warmongering people who in the
Speaker 2: name of Jesus have pushed people away from the Gospel,
Speaker 2: and so for me it remains that's the Gospel hope,
Speaker 2: which is the key of my own hope. And also
Speaker 2: having families and not buying into the environmental propaganda that
Speaker 2: we shouldn't have children. I mean, those who are most
Speaker 2: environmentally aware should be the ones who are having the
Speaker 2: most children. But once you stop having children decide not
Speaker 2: to have them, then that's really the terminus of your future.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing for Western civilization and very
Speaker 2: it's a very perilous attitude. I'm a strong campaigner for
Speaker 2: human rights for unborn human beings, and the dehumanization of
Speaker 2: the child and the womb is a central part of
Speaker 2: the black magic which afflicts us in this time.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great way to finish it, Mike. And
Speaker 1: where's the best place for people to get Twilight language.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of outlets, but the best one
Speaker 2: would be www dot Revisionistory dot org, which is our
Speaker 2: website and we have a secure online ordering and we
Speaker 2: can process those orders. And yeah, that would be fine.
Speaker 1: Quest. You can get your other books, you can get
Speaker 1: them both. You can get these two that you can
Speaker 1: read back to back. I highly recommend Secret Societies and
Speaker 1: Psychological Warfare, one of the most influential books I've read.
Speaker 1: So you could get that in Twilight Language from your
Speaker 1: website at Revisionist History too signed if they'd like, I assume.
Speaker 2: Yes, Revisionististory dot org even though we own the trademark
Speaker 2: on those words. Another person runs a revisionist history podcast,
Speaker 2: which the establishment is behind. So if you try to
Speaker 2: search for us under revisionist History, you won't find us
Speaker 2: until the twentieth page on Google. Didn't used to be
Speaker 2: that way, but they pushed us way down. So Revisionististory
Speaker 2: dot org. And thank you William for that plug.
Speaker 1: Awesome revisionist History Oorg. I will put that in the
Speaker 1: show notes. People can just click on that and click
Speaker 1: through to that and really great talk and it's great
Speaker 1: to have you on and for somebody who's influenced me
Speaker 1: so much, it's really an honor for me to interview
Speaker 1: the youth. So thank you so much and congratulations on
Speaker 1: the book. Great book title again is Twilight Language, published
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. You can find it on Amazon. Author
Speaker 1: is Michael Hoffman. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you sir.
Speaker 1: All right, take care, all right, stay there