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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest. His name is Michael Hoffman, and he published

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<v Speaker 1>a book recently titled Twilight Language. It's on Amazon. It

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<v Speaker 1>has twenty one five star reviews now. But it's based

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<v Speaker 1>upon a very influential book for me, which was published

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<v Speaker 1>in April or May of two thousand and one. Title

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<v Speaker 1>of that book is Secret Society's and Psychological Warfare. And

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<v Speaker 1>I quoted that book in my book Children of the Beast.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I published Children of the Beast in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so that original quote is on there. It's about the

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<v Speaker 1>monolith that he put he wrote about in Secret Societies

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<v Speaker 1>in Psychological Warfare, which has two hundred and thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>five star reviews right now. Michael Hoffman is an independent

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<v Speaker 1>scholar and the author of ten books of history and literature,

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<v Speaker 1>three of which have been published overseas in French and

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese translations. He has studied political science and history under

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<v Speaker 1>Faiz Abu Javert at the State University of New York

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<v Speaker 1>at Oswego and at Hobert College under Francis J. M. A. Laughlin.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a former reporter for the New York Bureau of

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<v Speaker 1>the Associated Press and is now the editor of the

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<v Speaker 1>Revisionist History Newsletter. And some of his other titles are

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<v Speaker 1>The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome, They Were White and

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<v Speaker 1>They Were Slaves, The Untold History of the Enslavement of

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<v Speaker 1>Whites in Early America, and that's really been well read.

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<v Speaker 1>There's many, many five star reviews of that. I have

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<v Speaker 1>not heard of that title. Another one is usually and

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<v Speaker 1>Christiandom The Mortal Sin that was and now is not.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Adolf Hitler Enemy of the German People. And

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<v Speaker 1>again we're going to talk about this book, which I

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<v Speaker 1>have right here. He sent me a copy. I read

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<v Speaker 1>through it and finished it today. Excellent book. Twilight Language,

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<v Speaker 1>published twenty one. So, Michael Hoffman, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for bringing to the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>William awesome. For people who may not have heard your

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<v Speaker 1>background or your earlier book, can you kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>go do an overview of your kind of independent research

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<v Speaker 1>and leading up to Twilight Language. Please. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a former reporter for the Associated Press that

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<v Speaker 2>was way back in the nineteen eighties where I got

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<v Speaker 2>a first hand front row seat at the level of

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<v Speaker 2>media bias. I often say that there is more falsification

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<v Speaker 2>due to O mission rather than co mission. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>outright lies or rather easy to spot. And it's what

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<v Speaker 2>they leave out that's often critical to our current inability

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<v Speaker 2>to really parse and factor the landscape of lies. But

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<v Speaker 2>also I was fortunate in living in what I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in the book Twilight Language. In fact, more than mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>There's actually a whole section on it, what the mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>historians called the Psychic Highway or the Burned Over District.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of the big sur or Berkeley, California

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<v Speaker 2>area of the colonial and post colonial United States in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century and eighteenth century nineteenth century where a

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<v Speaker 2>series of strange events and occurrences which affected American history

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<v Speaker 2>and to significant extent, world history, occurred along the forty

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<v Speaker 2>second degree line of north parallel latitude. As you know

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<v Speaker 2>from reading my books and from the schooling I received

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<v Speaker 2>from my mentor James Shelby Downard, I've become very aware

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<v Speaker 2>of what mister Downer called mystical toponymy and what happens

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<v Speaker 2>both in terms of time as well as space and

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<v Speaker 2>so on. The forty second degree line. You had the

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<v Speaker 2>founding of the Mormons, you had the founding of feminism,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had several other very important world historic events

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<v Speaker 2>and activities. One of them was a new religion which

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<v Speaker 2>is largely in decline now, but it was called spiritualism,

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<v Speaker 2>and it involved contacting the dead, and it swept America.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone from the abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison to Mary Todd

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln in the White House were holding seances. Many of

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<v Speaker 2>us seemed to think this was always more or less

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<v Speaker 2>a commonplace part of the mythos of the occult, but

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<v Speaker 2>actually it reached its pinnacle in the nineteenth century. And

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<v Speaker 2>so there I was born and raised in this area,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went to the State University of New

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<v Speaker 2>York at Oswego, where I took a political science course

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<v Speaker 2>with a Palestinian professor, fayz Abu Jabber, who told me

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<v Speaker 2>he knew that I was an aspiring historian. He told me,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you looking into Napoleon or the French Revolution

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<v Speaker 2>in Robespierre. Why don't you look in your own backyard,

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<v Speaker 2>the psychic Highway, the burned over district. And that's where

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<v Speaker 2>I began to plumb the depths of my own locale

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<v Speaker 2>and the founding of the first major in world history.

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<v Speaker 2>Opposition to Freemasonry organized and institutionalized also occurred in that

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<v Speaker 2>burned over district Psychic Highway along the forty second of

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<v Speaker 2>north Parallel latitude, and that related to the kidnapping and

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<v Speaker 2>murder of William Morgan, who wrote a book revealing the

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<v Speaker 2>secrets of Freemasonry, and that book remains important to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>He was kidnapped from the Ontario County Canaondaga jail and

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<v Speaker 2>drowned in the Niagara River, and from that, particularly in

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<v Speaker 2>the northeastern United States, arose a national movement opposed to Freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to note that many members of Lincoln's cabinet,

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<v Speaker 2>both his kitchen cabinet in the sense of an informal

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<v Speaker 2>de facto cabinet, such as Thurlow Weed and also his

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of State William Seward, were very early on members

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<v Speaker 2>of this anti Masonic society and movement which actually formed

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<v Speaker 2>the first political convention, national political convention in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the US, nominating the Attorney General William Wirt as

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<v Speaker 2>its presidential candidate. So this was fascinating to me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just up the road from my birthplace. And I

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<v Speaker 2>did write a little pamphlet in nineteen seventy eight called

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<v Speaker 2>Masonic Assassination, and I grouped in Joseph Smith of the Mormons,

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<v Speaker 2>who was indeed killed by a Masonic mob at the

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<v Speaker 2>Old Carthage Jail. The Mormons rarely mentioned that in their

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<v Speaker 2>tours or in their literature, but if you dig deep

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<v Speaker 2>enough you'll find some Mormon sources for that. I've used

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<v Speaker 2>other sources.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides, I don't think Smith gave a Masonic warning before

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<v Speaker 1>he was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he said, will no one helped the widow's son,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the Masonic haaline of distress. But the Masons

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<v Speaker 2>were tipped off ahead of time that he was a

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<v Speaker 2>so called apostate Mason. He would give the signal and

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<v Speaker 2>they were to shoot anyway. So in his particular case,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't avail. But that's right. Very few people know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also list, and this is speculative, I list

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<v Speaker 2>Edgar Allen Poe is possibly having been victimized by the Masons.

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<v Speaker 2>The story about him being a drunkard and that he

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<v Speaker 2>simply collapsed in Baltimore during the campaigning season. I highly

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<v Speaker 2>question he was a prominent opponent of the Freemasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, his short story The Cask of Amantiado is

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<v Speaker 2>really an anti Masonic story. So from there it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like I was almost fore ordained to be involved in

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<v Speaker 2>this research after many detours and struggles in my own

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<v Speaker 2>career as a writer, a journalist, and eventually a professional historian.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's more or less how I got started. I

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<v Speaker 2>would also throw mister Rod Serline into the mix. His

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<v Speaker 2>summer home was in the Psychic Highway near the forty

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<v Speaker 2>got to know him. So Twilight language and the Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>Zone all involves the crep esculaar. I suppose you could.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, fascinating you've met Ron Sony. I mean, he's so

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<v Speaker 1>important and that show is so influential and really has

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<v Speaker 1>that Twilight morality. I think that's reflected of your two book,

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Society and Psychological Warfare. In this book, how would

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<v Speaker 1>you you spend time kind of defining Twilight language in

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<v Speaker 1>the book? Can you share kind of what that represents,

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<v Speaker 1>what that phrase represents?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, surely, so Twilight language. What I'm talking about here

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<v Speaker 2>is the address to the dreaming mind, not the unconscious,

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<v Speaker 2>but the subconscious, the primordial Jungian archetypes of the subconscious psyche.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Time capsule that was and continues to be channeling from

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<v Speaker 2>Pharonic Egypt, the words of power, Amuletic words which have

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<v Speaker 2>an influence over us even when we don't realize it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a ceremonial, transcendent processing of us. And what's

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<v Speaker 2>unusual about it now, and what I mentioned in Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>Languages and my book Twilight Language, is that this phenomena

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<v Speaker 2>is now for the first time in history public. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gone public. The people who are behind it what I

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<v Speaker 2>call the cryptocracy, they don't care whether or not we

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<v Speaker 2>know about it, whereas before it was heavily shrouded in secrecy.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason for that being that they're solving at coagula.

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<v Speaker 2>Alchemical process in other words, breakdown and then rebuild according

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<v Speaker 2>to their script is well underway. And as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of that, the revelation of the method, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>next stage in terms of our bestialization and dehumanization, is

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<v Speaker 2>well underway. And so what they feel is humanity in

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<v Speaker 2>the West is in such tremendous decline that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if they reveal their crimes and their methodology to us.

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<v Speaker 2>For us, it'll become simply part of the carnival sideshow funhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I call it, really the fabulous double cross

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<v Speaker 2>of his satanic majesty, And instead of us being angry

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<v Speaker 2>about it and organizing about it, by and large, it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes part of an entertainment network where we get a

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<v Speaker 2>thrill from it, and then we become burned out having

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<v Speaker 2>so many adrenaline rushes that conspiracy theory itself, which I

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<v Speaker 2>find to be largely unhelpful rather than helpful with some

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<v Speaker 2>honorable exceptions, becomes a search for increasingly more powerful thrills.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're looking for the secrets behind the Las

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas massacre of Country and Western fans, or the secrets

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<v Speaker 2>behind Ted Kaczynski and the unibomber. But once those secrets

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<v Speaker 2>are revealed to us, what do we do with them?

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<v Speaker 2>If we do nothing with them, if it simply empowers

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<v Speaker 2>our apathy and our abuia, in other words, our loss

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<v Speaker 2>of will, then we have descended down the ladder of

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness and we're worse off as a result of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So these things are all what I've tried to factor

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<v Speaker 2>into my book Secret Society and Psychological Warfare as well

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<v Speaker 2>as Twilight language, right, And you.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually say in your book, like, because we're following along

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<v Speaker 1>with that, we've also kind of the population has been

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<v Speaker 1>a bolted to a certain extent, they've both been absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>into this process. And I think that you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Antonine Artau, the famous French playwright and the forecaster of

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<v Speaker 2>the theater of Cruelty as he called it, which is

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<v Speaker 2>basically what our cinema and plays are today. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the one who said that there would be a civic

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<v Speaker 2>magic which would soon appear undisguised, and he was very

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<v Speaker 2>prophetic in saying that, because he died in either the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteen forties or early nineteen fifties. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we have. We have a civic magic that's appeared undisguised.

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur C. Clark predicted the same thing in his nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifties novel Childhood's End, which features a literal Satan dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in the livery of what we've come to associate stereotypically

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<v Speaker 2>with the devil walking in our midst After these interstellar

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<v Speaker 2>vessels land on Earth and after an initial panic and

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<v Speaker 2>initial concern, people become accustomed to it, and you're to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just another blip on the screen of Again.

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<v Speaker 2>The decline evolution says we started out as simian creatures

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<v Speaker 2>and are now ascending the evolutionary ladder toward the angelic.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually believe the opposite. I believe we started out

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<v Speaker 2>in an angelic state and we're descending into the simian

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<v Speaker 2>and I see examples of that every day, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think your theme of the book is just

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<v Speaker 1>to how humanity has changed under these this cryptographical or

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocracy assault different of so many different events. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to JFK and maybe you can talk like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that familiar with James Shelby Downard, and you

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<v Speaker 1>guys wrote together that kind of that influent, really influential

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<v Speaker 1>journalistic writing. Was it King Kill thirty three? You and

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<v Speaker 2>Crypt Yes, he said in the nineteen seventies, he sent

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<v Speaker 2>me a huge box of xerox notes and his own

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and so forth, and then I distilled them into

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<v Speaker 2>King Kill thirty three. And that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first things when I first met mister Downerd. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the first things that really made me think that he

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<v Speaker 2>was someone I had to know and know more about

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<v Speaker 2>and befriend was his take on the Kennedy assassination and

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<v Speaker 2>where he saw Jack and Jackie as sex gods who

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<v Speaker 2>descended to love Field in the Angel Airliner and proceeded

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<v Speaker 2>to a Masonic temple site for the ritual sacrifice of

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<v Speaker 2>the King of Camelot, witnessed by his Queen of erotic sublimity,

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<v Speaker 2>attended by the three unworthy craftsmen and the magic powerhouse

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<v Speaker 2>of Oz in the form of Ruby, who didn't wear

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<v Speaker 2>the slippers but did possess the ersatz jewels a Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby in the jeweler's trade as a fake. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>where we come into nine to eleven, the black Jack

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and five of Courses twenty one, and that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>the thanatos threnity of our time. And so mister Downard

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<v Speaker 2>was the first to alert me to that. He was

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<v Speaker 2>people call it the atomic bomb. He called it the

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<v Speaker 2>creation and destruction of primordial matter on the thirty third

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<v Speaker 2>degree of north parallel latitude, at the place where the

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<v Speaker 2>Hornata del Muerto. This ancient road of death, the journey

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<v Speaker 2>of the dead Man, literally in Spanish, ran into the

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<v Speaker 2>White Sands missile site dead on the thirty third degree line,

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<v Speaker 2>and not far from the thirty third degree line at

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<v Speaker 2>the Triple Underpass and the Trinity River. John F. Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>had his appointment with destiny. So mister Downard's what he

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<v Speaker 2>calls mystical toponymy merging this nighttime highway of our psyche

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<v Speaker 2>mystical topography with crepuscular language, the inner landscape where time

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<v Speaker 2>relations among events are assumed to be first constituted by

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<v Speaker 2>the specific physical relations obtaining between them. I more or

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<v Speaker 2>less extrapolated that from his own insight because he was

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<v Speaker 2>very concerned with how the Kennedy administration had been labeled Camelot.

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<v Speaker 2>And in Camelot the concept is the once and future Camelot.

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<v Speaker 2>White wrote a book about that, meaning always present. And

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<v Speaker 2>events being first constituted by the physical space that they occupy,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see the resonance of that, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>mister Downard was pointing to. And then later on I

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<v Speaker 2>north parallel latitude in terms of here is this space

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<v Speaker 2>in time, but it remains in space, so it's there

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<v Speaker 2>even as time passes. And this is part of the

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<v Speaker 2>infinitesmally programmed ritual which is intended to basically kill our

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<v Speaker 2>minds and usher in the world foretold by the astrologer

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<v Speaker 2>Royal for Queen Elizabeth, doctor John d when he forecasts

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<v Speaker 2>that we would be ruled by dead matter, which was

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<v Speaker 2>in my view shorthand for computers in the digital world,

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<v Speaker 2>they're dead, they're not alive. It's interesting that the camel

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<v Speaker 2>is said to be a questing beast and the root

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<v Speaker 2>of the word camelot, although many people have proposed different

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<v Speaker 2>words for that, including Old English towns, commendulum, and others.

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<v Speaker 2>But the camel is derived via Latin and Greek. Camelis

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<v Speaker 2>in Latin and cami lois from the Hebrew gamal, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Hebrew denotation of gamal is derived from the verbal

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<v Speaker 2>root meaning repain and kind. And I could go deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into these things But what I'm suggesting here is that

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<v Speaker 2>if you've ever been to the Latin Tridentine Mass, which

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<v Speaker 2>was derogated during the reign of Pope Paul six. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was a child at the time the Mass was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. In fact, I was even an altar boy

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<v Speaker 2>in the early nineteen sixties. And you see, for no

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<v Speaker 2>other reason, watching the priest, every gesture that he makes

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<v Speaker 2>has tremendous significance, how he even holds his fingers and

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<v Speaker 2>where he stands. And that gave me an understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>the importance of ritual, not just to the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 2>or even to the caricatured Black Mass, which is largely

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<v Speaker 2>a product of Hollywood. I mean, there is such a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's even the Gnostic Mass, which is more accurate

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<v Speaker 2>and more popular among occultists. But there is a Black Mass,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's been horribly popularized and caricatured out of all

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<v Speaker 2>form of what it originally intended. But the symbolic import

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<v Speaker 2>of the Black Mass, or its exact opposite, the Tridentine Mass,

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<v Speaker 2>is that gestures, rituals and words process people. The Tridentine

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<v Speaker 2>Latin Mass process the pagan people of Europe. Those robust

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<v Speaker 2>vikings into pious Roman Catholics. How did it do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Very few people have undertaken that study. And by the

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<v Speaker 2>same token and open air black mass if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>using Twilight language, using modern advertising techniques, using ritual murders

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<v Speaker 2>placed along sites of significance, have acted in the general

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<v Speaker 2>processing of humanity and more specifically of those of us

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<v Speaker 2>here in the cauldron of that alchemical process, the crucible

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<v Speaker 2>of it the American Southwest and to a larger extent,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States of America itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just incredible. And you have I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very proposed the Africa Daverte angle right there at the

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<v Speaker 1>intro to your book, and you have those things like

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<v Speaker 1>these words have power. So the words that are being

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<v Speaker 1>used by the cryptocracy or things that are integrated into

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<v Speaker 1>these events. And I think that the Camelot Killing of

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<v Speaker 1>the King thirty three, Twilight Language, and kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the psychosphere are almost our overlap. I think that. So

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<v Speaker 1>even today I have all these guests on we're still

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the jfk assassination, and I'm actually talking to

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<v Speaker 1>another one right after this about that event. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>reverberated through generations. It's very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Indeed, the problem for me with what's happened with

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<v Speaker 2>the killing of our President Kennedy is that it's had

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<v Speaker 2>an X files muddying of the waters where people propose

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred different solutions to the assassination of President Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not proposing any solutions. I am enamored of the

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<v Speaker 2>epistemology of Charles Fort, and Fort didn't propose solutions. He

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<v Speaker 2>studied mysteries and their effect on humanity and how humanity

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<v Speaker 2>was being shepherded as a result of that. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of proposing an overall systemic answer to things, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can give some answers to particular murder cases that

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<v Speaker 2>I covered as a reporter in New York, But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of this overarching occult metaphysic, I think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably too big for me to handle, and I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if other people are handling as well, Because what we

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<v Speaker 2>have in the conspiracy theory movement, and I don't consider

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<v Speaker 2>myself part of it, is a kind of oracular gibberish.

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<v Speaker 2>I've listened to some podcasts and programs where people have

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<v Speaker 2>an encyclopedic recitation of various aspects of occult lore and

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<v Speaker 2>yet when the broadcast is concluded, I ask myself, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the sum total of all of that tremendous knowledge and

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<v Speaker 2>data that has been more or less recited. My concern

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<v Speaker 2>is to get to the root of these issues so

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<v Speaker 2>that people will be armed against psychic manipulation in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And watching, as you say, this parade of a mythos,

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy assassination mythos in the sense of that king,

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<v Speaker 2>that glittering king, you know, probably the best looking president

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<v Speaker 2>who's ever occupied the White House, and best looking first

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<v Speaker 2>lady and everything associated with it, and then this ceremonial

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<v Speaker 2>murder of him according to a killing of the king right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is well known among those who are students of

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<v Speaker 2>the occult and of mythology. And so I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 2>this precise a honing of that as we can get,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm very leary of just having the Kennedy assassination

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<v Speaker 2>enter this general kind of popularization. I mentioned love Field

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<v Speaker 2>and the erotic aspect and the king kill aspect, but

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<v Speaker 2>also mister Downard was keen on the three Unworthy Craftsmen,

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<v Speaker 2>which in terms of rather mundane and there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with it, because they don't know any better. But the

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<v Speaker 2>mundane researchers into the Kennedy killing talk about the three

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<v Speaker 2>hoboes that were arrested, and there's been a long debate

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<v Speaker 2>about who they are, as at E. Howard hunting and

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<v Speaker 2>is it and so for me, that image transcends seeking

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<v Speaker 2>out the identity, and this is what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>point people to. It's important to find out if indeed

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<v Speaker 2>we can, who those people were. But for mister Downard

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<v Speaker 2>and myself, it's the symbolism of that the mystery associated

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<v Speaker 2>with these three individuals dressed shabbily like most Americans are

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<v Speaker 2>dressed today back then that would draw attention today, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how we go to the grocery store in the walmart,

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<v Speaker 2>but dressed in this manner, they're recreating a Masonic image.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who know about the very important Masonic image

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<v Speaker 2>of the three unworthy craftsmen who are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the assassins of Hiram of Tire, who was the builder

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<v Speaker 2>of the Temple of Jerusalem. Now that can be dismissed

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<v Speaker 2>as Hebrew or Old Testament mythology, but it's very important

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<v Speaker 2>in Freemasonry. And whenever we see these images coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>Masonic images Kennedy was killed in Dealey Plaza, the sight

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<v Speaker 2>of the first Masonic temple, just like Miter Square, which

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<v Speaker 2>has tremendous significance for British Freemasonry, was the site of

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<v Speaker 2>some of the Jack the Rippert murders. These things have

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<v Speaker 2>to be knitted together. And what I've tried to do

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<v Speaker 2>is point things out that other researchers have missed while

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<v Speaker 2>not falling into the fever swamp, that I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of conspiracy theory represents, and which, as I say

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<v Speaker 2>in my book Twilight Language, I believe the cryptocracy actually

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<v Speaker 2>is embedded inside conspiracy theory and uses a great deal

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<v Speaker 2>of it for its own effects in terms of demoralizing

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<v Speaker 2>us and in terms of spreading apathy. And what I

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<v Speaker 2>should say is is that as a an epistemologist, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to quote a key statement by Charles Fort which

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<v Speaker 2>many Fordians are aware of and we often trade with

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<v Speaker 2>one another, and it's this quote. Wise men have tried

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<v Speaker 2>to understand our state of being by grasping it its stars,

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<v Speaker 2>or its arts, or its economics. But if there's an

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<v Speaker 2>underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where

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<v Speaker 2>we begin, whether with stars or laws of supply and demand,

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<v Speaker 2>or frogs or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle beginning

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere end quote from Charles Fort And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the uses of measurement is what we're really fighting here.

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<v Speaker 2>What yard stick do we apply to reality? What yard

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<v Speaker 2>stick are we applying to the assassination of JFK. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it one limited by empirical history and research alone, or

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<v Speaker 2>should we be using the yardstick of the cryptocracy itself?

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<v Speaker 2>It is the string, pit pullar and puppet master behind

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<v Speaker 2>many of these events. So I realized that some people

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<v Speaker 2>will think that, you know, my research is so off

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<v Speaker 2>the wall, but it's in keeping with this forty and epistemology. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Downerd. Uh was Adam Parfrey of Farreal House Press

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<v Speaker 2>that brought this up. Mister Downard gives us a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of wonder when he opened up the doors of perception

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular way, to see that there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>more involved in what our adversaries would like us to

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<v Speaker 2>limit to current events and the news of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's so much more behind it. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>world of wonder, but unfortunately it can be a very

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<v Speaker 1>And I think those three was as Jews. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>they were paraded out by the cops, walk no handcuffs

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<v Speaker 1>and right to the Masonic temples my understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there well, I don't know about being marched

418
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<v Speaker 2>into a Masonic temple, but I do know that their

419
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<v Speaker 2>identity was lost. You know, the records are It's like

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<v Speaker 2>with the Manson case. The book Chaos Is. I recommend

421
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<v Speaker 2>it and I just reviewed it in our Revisionist history

422
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>newsletter and there'neill Yeah, And O'Neill's done some really good work,

423
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 2>hard work what they would call in French trevail the

424
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Benedictine here and one of the things he points out is,

425
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<v Speaker 2>you know, most of the records are gone, and this

426
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<v Speaker 2>is you know, Charlie Manson's case has almost the same

427
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>mythological status in American pop culture as the JFK killing.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Even though I believe that the JFK killing, like the

429
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>creation and destruction of primordial matter, the landing on the Moon,

430
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<v Speaker 2>I know some people believe we didn't go there. I

431
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>believe we did, at least some of the flights were authentic,

432
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.599
<v Speaker 2>and then nine to eleven. For me, those are absolute

433
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<v Speaker 2>key changes in our person and in the history of

434
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the world and where we're headed. But certainly Manson is

435
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>an important footnote to that. And as mister O'Neil points

436
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<v Speaker 2>out over and over in his book, when he went

437
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>to look for the records, whether it's the court records

438
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<v Speaker 2>of the very important Susan Atkins' very first statements before

439
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:23.160
<v Speaker 2>she had been tutored by her mob lawyer. She originally

440
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>had an honest lawyer at first he was pushed out

441
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 2>of the picture. And that first court hearing where her

442
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 2>statement was entered into the record, that's gone records of

443
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Manson's early year sixty seven and sixty eight in San

444
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Francisco Bay area, where his parole officer sent him dispatched.

445
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 2>This guy who had been locked up in prison probably

446
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, was a sixties guy, a nineteen fifties guy,

447
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>nothing like the Manson that would be recast in terms

448
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 2>of the psychological warfare that was used against him by

449
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 2>the CIA and so forth. So, yeah, the paper trail

450
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>they like to get a hold of destroy as quickly

451
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>as they can, and so that part of research is

452
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 2>very important. I mean I was in Lincoln, Montana, just

453
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<v Speaker 2>almost immediately after Ted Kazinski was arrested in the so

454
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<v Speaker 2>called University and airline bombing or what the FBI termed

455
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>it in a kind of Twilight language word unabomb. And

456
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 2>of course there's now a ridiculous Hollywood movie completely muddying

457
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the waters like Belosi did with Helter Skelter and then

458
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>the resulting movie and Ted Kazinski. He committed some of

459
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 2>those atrocities, yes, not all of them. The FBI was

460
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.839
<v Speaker 2>deeply involved in shepherding Ted Kazinski. I have evidence of that.

461
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I was on the scene. I talked to his neighbors.

462
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>This was before the mainstream media really got it going.

463
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 2>And I was also able to make contact with Kazinski

464
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was in the local jail there in Helena.

465
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<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to visit him, and I was blocked

466
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<v Speaker 2>by his federally appointed federal defense attorney. And uh he

467
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>lived again, bringing up the mystical toponymy element. He lived

468
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Scapegoat Wilderness, not far from the Scapegoat Cafe.

469
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 2>And if there ever was a Scapegoat, it's Theodore Kazinski, PhD.

470
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Who was subjected to LSD so called research connected with

471
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<v Speaker 2>Harvard University. So we go down and down this rabbit trail.

472
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<v Speaker 1>By a very well known spook spook psychologist. Right, I

473
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>forgot his name off hand, but that guy was he

474
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>was uh, he was working with Leary too, who was

475
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 1>also working with Kazinski at the time. Right.

476
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>And another and another spook psychiatrist, as you term it,

477
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 2>appropriately working with Manson out of the out of the

478
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Hayde Ashbury Free Clinic.

479
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>So called Charlian West.

480
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah West, right, that's right.

481
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's really fascinating. So you've had these contacts. Also,

482
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>you went and visited Charles Harrison, who was got arrested

483
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>for killing a federal judge too, right.

484
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I tried to That was the key. I went to

485
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>his son, the actor Woody Harrelson, and you know, I

486
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>was at a restaurant with him in San Francisco. And

487
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>what my my goal was is to you know what

488
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.839
<v Speaker 2>he had said he had larned me, said, my father

489
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<v Speaker 2>is a CIA agent, and uh, you know, g a

490
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>mafia hitman is a CIA agent, you know. And there's

491
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot that he wanted to say and he couldn't.

492
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<v Speaker 2>And I thought that, you know, here's the opportunity because

493
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>none of these people, none of the perpetrators of these

494
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:37.319
<v Speaker 2>high profile UH Twilight Zone type of killings, such as

495
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the assassination of President Kennedy and so forth, have ever

496
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>been brought to justice, which is why it's so easy

497
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 2>for the cryptocracy to recruit people to commit these crimes

498
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>because of this veritable immunity. And so it was my

499
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>goal to get into Charles Harrelson. He was still alive

500
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<v Speaker 2>at the time. He was in prison serving a life

501
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<v Speaker 2>sentence and having having his son wrecked amend me. Well,

502
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>that didn't go well at all. I admit I was

503
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.279
<v Speaker 2>too abrupt. I basically just you know, gave him both

504
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>barrels instead of slowly working up. In the course of

505
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>our conversation, he and I had a mutual friend in Hawaii.

506
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>He wanted to discuss the mutual friend. I wanted to

507
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>discuss his father, and I rather abruptly confronted him with

508
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, did your father kill President Kennedy? And I

509
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go from there and to having him understand that.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Since I was twelve years old, I have been deeply

511
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 2>and profoundly concerned with the killing of the King and

512
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Daly Plaza, and I would be the guy who would

513
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>who would see this all the way to the end.

514
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>And he started crying and his I don't want to

515
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>mention any names here, I'll just say the woman that

516
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>he was with intervened then and felt that I was

517
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>ruining his day and that was that was the end

518
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 2>of that. So I did the best that I could

519
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>with the resources that I had. I'm surprised that other

520
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 2>better positioned journalists and researchers weren't successful there and why

521
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Woody wouldn't have been the gateway to grant that if

522
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 2>indeed his father would have cooperated. But I don't see

523
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>what his father had to lose, unless, of course, the

524
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>family is threatened. It's same thing with McVeigh with the

525
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma City bombing, and to a lesser extent with Kazinski.

526
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>The cryptocracy will if you yourself are fearless, you're willing

527
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to go ahead. Quite often the cryptocracy in order to

528
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>buy your silence, and some silence is still necessary even

529
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in this revelation of the method era. They will threaten,

530
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 2>often indirectly hint at threatening your mother, your girlfriend, your daughter,

531
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 2>your sister, or whomever. And I definitely think that that

532
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>could have been a factor for Woody's reluctance, although I'm

533
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 2>not going to speculate because I don't know, But where's

534
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the media on this and getting to

535
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>perhaps the last key person involved profoundly if indeed he

536
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>was with the Kennedy assassination. So things like this churs

537
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 2>we have one of the most corrupt medias of mass

538
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>communication on Earth, and that's that's a big part of

539
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>our problem here in the United States today.

540
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think Charles Harrelson at one point implicated himself

541
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>and then retracted it. And there used to be that

542
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the internet. There used to be well those

543
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 1>interviews were on the YouTube and they're inve all been

544
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>taken down. I don't know what happened to them, but yeah,

545
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>so that's an interesting side story. I mean, and you

546
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.640
<v Speaker 1>were also you said in your book you were friends

547
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 1>with or a co writer with Jim Keith Right, who

548
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>somehow can you not a co write.

549
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 2>I respected Jim and he respected me. I liked his

550
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>books Secret and Suppressed, and I also like the fact

551
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>that he was on the trail of Roger Robert kg Temple,

552
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>who wrote the book The Serious Mystery. Nineteen seventy seven

553
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 2>was an interesting year and one of the lots of

554
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 2>important books came out that year, including Alister Crowley and

555
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 2>The Hidden God. And then the nineteen seventy seven was

556
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>really a key year, and so Robert KG. Temple's book

557
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>The Serious Mystery was published in nineteen seventy seven and

558
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he did a tour of the United States on radio.

559
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>There weren't podcasts at that time, and Jim intervened. He

560
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 2>got on the air with him as a caller. I guess,

561
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>and he took some of my first pages of my book,

562
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, which more or less excoriates

563
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Robert KG. Temple, not for the revelations he made about

564
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>how the star system Serious is at the heart of

565
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Pharonic Egypt's cosmology and also that of the Scottish rit

566
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction, which is the most powerful branch

567
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 2>of Freemasonry in the world, but also the fact that

568
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Temple was talking about this utopian type of hippie paganism

569
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 2>which was so far superior to the Church and Christian Yanity.

570
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<v Speaker 2>And what I point out in Secret Societies and Psychological

571
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Warfare is is that. Actually it's a hidden church, far

572
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>more disciplined and far more inquisitorial and demanding of obedience

573
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>than even the old Catholic Church was. And I gave

574
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Jim a lot of credit for actually confronting Temple with that,

575
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>and Temple mumbled some type of gibberish and moved on.

576
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>But also Jim's death, I mean, very mysterious at burning Man.

577
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Burning Man is fairly important for recreating

578
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the figure that was popularized in the movie The Wicker Man.

579
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>And of course the word talk about in this book often, Yeah.

580
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 2>And the word wicker is a key Twilight language word.

581
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And so Jim had a broken leg. I mean, this

582
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>is all secondhand, but Jim had a broken somehow was

583
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>injured with a broken leg at Burning Man and then

584
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>died in the hospital there locally, whatever the nearest hospital was.

585
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I grant you it was ways away. But this didn't

586
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>involve arterial bleeding. How do you die of a broken leg?

587
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 2>And to the best of my knowledge, he didn't have

588
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 2>any other ailments, so I wonder you know what that was.

589
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Jim, Jim was a good guy. And in

590
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 2>many ways Adam Parfrey was important for having I turned

591
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>over King Kill thirty three to him for publication in

592
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>his book Apocalypse Culture, which was a bestseller and really

593
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>helped to spread James Shelby Downard's information, right.

594
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Parfrey recently passed away too, So yeah.

595
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 2>He had very severe diabetes. You know, he had a

596
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 2>shunt in his brain from a concussion. Yeah, that was tragic.

597
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>He died the same age as his character actor father,

598
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Woodie Parfrey, who was a wonderful actor.

599
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He was the guy selling snake oil in the Outlaw.

600
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Josie Wales was Yeah, yeah, the Brinagin in the eight movies.

601
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>And but also and quite a guy. Yeah, Adam had

602
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.679
<v Speaker 2>a whole fund of anecdotes about Hollywood, and his father

603
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really that high on other actors.

604
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you. That's interesting. I mean, and then

605
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you kind of I mean you talk, you know about

606
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 1>the heart, like all these strange shootings, Harvest Festival, d C,

607
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Sniper Holmes, Aurora, Virginia Tech. There's something very very strange

608
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>going on behind a lot of these shootings. And Kazinski too, right.

609
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just wearing us out, it really is. I Mean,

610
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the American people are aware of these things in the

611
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 2>back of their mind. And that's why I'm starting to

612
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>see this shabbiness. I'm always looking for signs of psychological deterioration.

613
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And I even noticed that the State of the Union address,

614
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>mister Biden's recent State of the Union address, where I

615
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>saw not to disrespect the ladies that were there, I'm

616
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>sure some of them were dressed very well. Amy Coney

617
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Barrett from the Supreme Court was well dressed. But some

618
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>of the other eighties, they're dressed in this kind of rude, polyester,

619
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Speaker 2>shabby clothing. I just see a decline everywhere, including in

620
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>the livery of humanity, in terms of these things. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you, if you'll indulge me, a brief passage

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<v Speaker 2>from Twilight Language on page forty nine. Perhaps this will

623
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<v Speaker 2>be maybe the best encapsulation I can give you in

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<v Speaker 2>the time remaining. It's subtitled The Fabulous Double Cross of

625
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<v Speaker 2>His Satanic Majesty. A familiar pattern in the revelation of

626
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<v Speaker 2>the method is to leak beats and pieces of evidence

627
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 2>of criminal conspiracy and then ensure that the perpetrator gives

628
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 2>vague answers or talks around the subject, as George W.

629
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<v Speaker 2>Bush did The goal of the revelation is to desensitize

630
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<v Speaker 2>Americans to the fact of Bush's complicity in nine to

631
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<v Speaker 2>eleven by exposing them to an intermittent, occasionally dramatic, but

632
00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 2>mostly low level buzz. By this conditioning process, aware of

633
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Bush's connivans gradually becomes absorbed into the din of what

634
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I call the process morphing into the substrata of the

635
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>digital psychedelic funhouse. The slowly dawning revelation of Bush's treason

636
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 2>becomes not a basis for indictment and prosecution, but a

637
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>sideshow for the game zone sarcastic management simulator, a macabre

638
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>yet perversely sexy rumor mill that burnishes Bush's potency and

639
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 2>aura and plays on the people's jaded sense of awe

640
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 2>in the presence of a Satanic majesty who commands such

641
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 2>power that he can successfully mount a fabulous double cross

642
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and still thrive. And so it's a sense of like, Wow,

643
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>there's this power, and we're in awe of it, even

644
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>behind our sort of front story that we're seeking to

645
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 2>bring these perpetrators to justice. But I think our spirit

646
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and our mind has been so harmed and damaged by

647
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<v Speaker 2>knowing that these weird crimes, and you gave a brief

648
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.079
<v Speaker 2>inventory of them, have been happening with no one being

649
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 2>brought to justice. And there's a sense, just like the

650
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<v Speaker 2>majority of Americans believed there was a conspiracy to kill

651
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>President Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy Junior, as his own

652
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 2>son Bobby has courageously set forth, but also in these

653
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>other so called serial murders and crimes, that there is

654
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.639
<v Speaker 2>a tremendous evil inside the federal government and operating with

655
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the cooperation of elites in America, including the executives of

656
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the major media outlets. And yet and yet nothing is

657
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 2>being done. And so it becomes grist for this entertainment mill.

658
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 2>And that is mind killing and soul killing. And that's

659
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>basically one of the major themes of my books.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's very well said, very well written too, Michael,

661
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<v Speaker 1>about the forty minute mark, do you mind taking a

662
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<v Speaker 1>few questions. I've got a number of questions from people, certainly,

663
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Sir Oswald Spangler asked, does Hoffman think the resurgence of

664
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<v Speaker 1>interest in Kazinsky's writings has been organic?

665
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<v Speaker 2>I think so in a sense because Adam Parfrey was

666
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>in touch with mister doctor Kazinsky and published a lot

667
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 2>of his writing, and also, I believe from Farrellhause, there's

668
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>a whole book of Kazinsky's writing. I've tried to go

669
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 2>through it, and I find it turgid and sort of

670
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>self evident. I mean, we know that the planet is

671
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>under attack by predatory capitalism, but I don't think that

672
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the way to go about it is with terrorist methods

673
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 2>or with shutting down Western civilization. I mean, we should

674
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>be We should have the innovative talent and inventiveness to

675
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>do it without completely shuttering our civilization. In fact, I

676
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>don't even think it would be completely shuttered. I think

677
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that you would find, as certain movies are now implanting

678
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 2>in our minds, the notion that there would be islands

679
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>of repose and edenic sections that would be reserved for

680
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the plutocrats and the politically connected, and they would have

681
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 2>all the modern conveniences and energy, and the rest of

682
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 2>humanity would be reduced to this virtual subhuman level. So

683
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>as far as the notion that it's forced, I don't

684
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>think so. But I don't think that the cryptocracy has

685
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>any objection to circulating his manuscripts because they're written in

686
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>such a tone that I don't think it really is

687
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>much of a recruiting piece. And also since they themselves

688
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.679
<v Speaker 2>know that they were partly responsible for the terrorism that

689
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.280
<v Speaker 2>was unleashed under UNIBOM, I'll give you one example. I

690
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>don't mean to be cryptic here, deliberately, they never searched

691
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>for any accomplices in the unibomber case, and I know

692
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that for a fact. If I were called to testify,

693
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I would provide more of the information. And the reason

694
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going into it now is because we have

695
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 2>limited time in it. I couldn't do justice to it.

696
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>But I can tell you as an eyewitness to that

697
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't search for other accomplices. They knew from

698
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the beginning that it was only Ted and the secret

699
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 2>government inside the federal government that was responsible, and Ted

700
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Kazinski did not commit all of those killings. So to

701
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>answer the question, I don't think they're much worried about

702
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>the texts because that's not the whole story by any

703
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>means of un obamber.

704
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>So they did some of the youth saying the government

705
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>did some of the bombs that are attributed to Konzitzi

706
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 1>or the cryptocracy did it?

707
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Government agents were surveilling Kazinski almost the entire time that

708
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>un Obamber was going on. I believe that he had

709
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>been marked out for something like this ever since his

710
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Harvard days. Don't forget there's a notion that a lot

711
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>of this recruiting goes on in psychiatric centers where a

712
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>certain psychiatrists, and and you and I have noted earlier

713
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that the mk Ultra program involved a number of psychiatrists

714
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 2>in key positions, often very elite, and they look for

715
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 2>people who fit a profile not just in psychiatric centers,

716
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>but also brilliant people in some of the leading universities.

717
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And I think that Kazinsky was one of them who

718
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.159
<v Speaker 2>was planted that way. And Manson at the other end,

719
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe of the of the cerebral scale, but nonetheless in

720
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.639
<v Speaker 2>terms of charisma, was also spotted in that way. But yes,

721
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<v Speaker 2>I believe that assets of the federal government, unquestionably were

722
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>some of the ones who perpetrated what was ascribed to Kazinsky.

723
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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget Kazinski, like David Berkowitz and son of Sam,

724
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like the putative killer of Martin Luther King and others,

725
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 2>these guys have no trials. Okay, Kazinsky was medicated. At

726
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the last time he appeared in front of a judge,

727
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 2>he was under medication. Now someone can say, well, the

728
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 2>judge asked him whether it was under medication right now. Yes,

729
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>that's true, but he didn't ask him whether he'd been

730
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>medicated twenty four hours before that. And as we know,

731
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>heavy medication stays in your bloodstream. So it was an

732
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting loophole that they created. But yes, he was under

733
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the influence of psychotropic drugs and he never really defended himself.

734
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>He didn't have the attorney that he wanted. He wasn't

735
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 2>allowed to talk to me. His federal defense attorney obstructed that,

736
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and we see this down the line. So yes, absolutely

737
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>there was no search for his accomplices, any possible accomplices,

738
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 2>because they knew who did it, and they could have

739
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.119
<v Speaker 2>gone over for example, to the University of Montana in Missoula,

740
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>which was not far from where Kazinski was in Lincoln,

741
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 2>where they have a very active environmental group. I'm not

742
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>saying that they're radicals, are terrorists. There was no real

743
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 2>earnest search over there. There was no authentic search for

744
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:57.039
<v Speaker 2>accomplices in the Kazinsky case. And for me, that pretty

745
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 2>much says it all.

746
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, and you actually include that in DC sniper case

747
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 1>there was a federal woman who somehow got shot too.

748
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>That makes that whole thing really suspicious, and all the

749
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 1>occult elements there. It's really just an incredible like what's

750
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 1>going on in this country? I mean, Lee Elman asks,

751
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on behavior modification and coercion and

752
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 1>how hard or easy is it to use social engineering

753
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 1>on the mass population? Do you have any thoughts on that?

754
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what our media is today. I mean, it's

755
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>an open air social engineering is basically what it is.

756
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Look at how I'm going to step on some toes here,

757
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and I don't hope you don't get banned, But look

758
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.119
<v Speaker 2>at how a fundamental premise of biology, which is indisputable

759
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that this person has xx chromosomes and this person has

760
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 2>x y, and each delineation there is is what denotes

761
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>whether you're a man or a woman. Okay, and now

762
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we're told that someone with xx chromosomes is not what

763
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>that indicates, but they are of the opposite sex. And

764
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 2>so this is such an absurd assault on reality. Yet,

765
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.679
<v Speaker 2>like with the Emperor who has no clothes, we're not

766
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>allowed to say that he has no clothes. It takes

767
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a childlike mind to step up and say the emperor

768
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 2>has no clothes, a childlike innocence to step up and say, well,

769
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 2>an xx chromosome in one person has to distinguish that

770
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 2>person from an x y chromosome. We've lost that level

771
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of reality, and that's an indication of how far we

772
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 2>have been processed. And the processing goes on in the

773
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Academy award ceremonies. I know that my friends in the

774
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Nation of Islam, the Black Muslims, have taken a tremendous

775
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 2>objection to seeing black guy. The last Academy award, a

776
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 2>black man was there in a huge dress. Maybe some

777
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>people feel that's fine, okay. The Nation of Islam didn't.

778
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 2>They wondered why a black man was being to put

779
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>forth this androgynous image, which is very central to the

780
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>alchemical change agency which I mentioned in my book and

781
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>talking to I go right into the early rescrution order

782
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>and the symbolism connected with that. As the occult moved

783
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>through originally the medici and the Catholic Church in Florence

784
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and in Rome in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, and

785
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:30.679
<v Speaker 2>then moved into Protestant circles, and then from re Secrutionism

786
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 2>became Freemasonry. But that type of processing used to be

787
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>limited to those who entered the lodge and went through

788
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>the initiatory steps. Now it's an open air initiation using

789
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the media of mass communication. So you won't see the

790
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Amish being that heavily processed, and you won't see other

791
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>people who live lives off the grid in that particular way.

792
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 2>You really have to be tied into the data hive

793
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>in order to get the processing. So Ultra is now

794
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 2>right out in the open, embedded and embedded in our

795
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>movies and television and of course the Internet and video

796
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 2>games and virtual reality as it's.

797
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<v Speaker 1>Called so true, and you use that term throughout your

798
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>book Capital p process. It remind me of the process

799
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Church of the Final Judgment, like that process of going

800
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>towards the apocalypse or something like that. One more question

801
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 1>from Lee Hilldoggy. He asks, what does Michael recommend we

802
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 1>do to counter this cryptocracy?

803
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course I'm a Christian, and you know, for me,

804
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I turned to the Book of Romans, chapter seven, chapter

805
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the middle part around Romans sevent and continuing on into

806
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 2>chapter eight into the middle of that chapter, and that's

807
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>where the Apostle Paul himself confronts his I mean, it's

808
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>amazing part of the New Testament where the Apostle Paul

809
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 2>is confronting his own sins and transgressions, even though he

810
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.719
<v Speaker 2>is reputed and indeed, I believe he is the greatest

811
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<v Speaker 2>Christian missionary of all time, and yet he was still

812
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:10.280
<v Speaker 2>wrestling not only with shortcomings but unmentioned sins that he was.

813
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<v Speaker 2>And the basic answer to that is, if you claim

814
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<v Speaker 2>Christ as your savior, if you believe that He died

815
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<v Speaker 2>on the cross for your sins, and that he rose

816
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 2>again and defeated death, you are one of You are

817
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 2>part of God's people. And I think that one of

818
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the problems that we're enduring today is is that that's

819
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 2>really been betrayed, and that awareness has been betrayed. Now

820
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<v Speaker 2>I know about what was done to the American Indians

821
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<v Speaker 2>in the name of Christ. I'm very well aware of

822
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>how Christ has been misapplied. But also that doesn't take

823
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 2>away from the origin of it. The prevailing digital ethos

824
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<v Speaker 2>is extinguishing our humanity by causing us to renig the covenant.

825
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>A nation and a people predestined by God to good things,

826
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<v Speaker 2>to being shepherds of this earth, for example, instead of

827
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<v Speaker 2>building house upon health and californicating all of the land,

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<v Speaker 2>giving space for humanity to develop. What about usury? What

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<v Speaker 2>about the renting of money? That was a mortal sin,

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<v Speaker 2>a sin that could condemn you to hell. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church fell in beginning in the sixteenth century

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<v Speaker 2>for situation ethics. It spread to Protestantism, and now any

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<v Speaker 2>Christian and good standing and the vast majority of the

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<v Speaker 2>churches in the world can rent money, meaning usury, at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate of interest. It doesn't matter whether it's one

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<v Speaker 2>percent or one hundred percent. Otherwise, if you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that prostitution is bad only if you paid one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for it, but if you got it at a

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<v Speaker 2>cut rate, it Isn't you know? This is all the

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<v Speaker 2>wages of situation ethics. So for me, it's in Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the true Christ. And I think there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a whole campaign of descemption based on TV preachers and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these profoundly immoral, greedy people who in the

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<v Speaker 2>name and violent people and warmongering people who in the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Jesus have pushed people away from the Gospel,

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<v Speaker 2>and so for me it remains that's the Gospel hope,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the key of my own hope. And also

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<v Speaker 2>having families and not buying into the environmental propaganda that

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't have children. I mean, those who are most

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<v Speaker 2>environmentally aware should be the ones who are having the

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<v Speaker 2>most children. But once you stop having children decide not

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<v Speaker 2>to have them, then that's really the terminus of your future.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what we're seeing for Western civilization and very

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very perilous attitude. I'm a strong campaigner for

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<v Speaker 2>human rights for unborn human beings, and the dehumanization of

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<v Speaker 2>the child and the womb is a central part of

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<v Speaker 2>the black magic which afflicts us in this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a great way to finish it, Mike. And

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<v Speaker 1>where's the best place for people to get Twilight language.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a number of outlets, but the best one

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<v Speaker 2>would be www dot Revisionistory dot org, which is our

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<v Speaker 2>website and we have a secure online ordering and we

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<v Speaker 2>can process those orders. And yeah, that would be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Quest. You can get your other books, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>them both. You can get these two that you can

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<v Speaker 1>read back to back. I highly recommend Secret Societies and

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<v Speaker 1>Psychological Warfare, one of the most influential books I've read.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could get that in Twilight Language from your

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<v Speaker 1>website at Revisionist History too signed if they'd like, I assume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Revisionististory dot org even though we own the trademark

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<v Speaker 2>on those words. Another person runs a revisionist history podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>which the establishment is behind. So if you try to

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<v Speaker 2>search for us under revisionist History, you won't find us

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<v Speaker 2>until the twentieth page on Google. Didn't used to be

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<v Speaker 2>that way, but they pushed us way down. So Revisionististory

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. And thank you William for that plug.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome revisionist History Oorg. I will put that in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. People can just click on that and click

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<v Speaker 1>through to that and really great talk and it's great

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on and for somebody who's influenced me

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<v Speaker 1>so much, it's really an honor for me to interview

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<v Speaker 1>the youth. So thank you so much and congratulations on

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<v Speaker 1>the book. Great book title again is Twilight Language, published

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. You can find it on Amazon. Author

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<v Speaker 1>is Michael Hoffman. Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you sir.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, take care, all right, stay there