Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 2: that turned me.
Speaker 3: Away the quickest.
Speaker 2: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 2: looked at us.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 1: the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
Speaker 1: foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
Speaker 1: where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and
Speaker 1: the eyes.
Speaker 3: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 3: it don't like death.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to tenfoil Teals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be joining on my guest Daphne. Daphne
Speaker 1: reached out to me a while back. She works in
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Speaker 1: now we're going to go ahead and bring Daphne on
Speaker 1: definitely looking forward to talking with her. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys find it interesting to sit back, relax and enjoy
Speaker 1: the show. Like to take this time to welcome my
Speaker 1: guest tonight, Daphne. Thanks for coming on here and talking
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: My name is Daphne Peters. I am working on my
Speaker 2: doctorate in general psychology. What I do currently is psychological
Speaker 2: therapy and I am one of a handful of therapists
Speaker 2: in California who is willing to focus on paranormal psychology.
Speaker 2: What else would I say? Been in the field about
Speaker 2: twelve years, so I like to look at things from
Speaker 2: a scientific perspective first, and often in my experience there
Speaker 2: is no scientific explanation that we can see right away.
Speaker 2: Let's go with that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know a whole lot about you would
Speaker 1: think with talking with people and everything and everyone, I
Speaker 1: would be someone interested in psychology, and I really have
Speaker 1: been something that's always fascinating me, as like with a
Speaker 1: human mind and everything else, But it's never been anything
Speaker 1: that I've really dove into very much. So talking with
Speaker 1: someone that actually has a background and is something that's
Speaker 1: always piqued my interest because it's always been something that's
Speaker 1: always been in the back of my mind, like I
Speaker 1: want to know more about the human psyche, why we
Speaker 1: see the things we do, Why do people feel the
Speaker 1: way they feel, why they think the way they think.
Speaker 1: So that'thing I've been curious about.
Speaker 2: Well, and psychology is an interesting beast because the textbooks
Speaker 2: might say one thing, but then my personal experience working
Speaker 2: with people might say something completely different. And when you're
Speaker 2: dealing with something like faith manipulation, which is something I
Speaker 2: am working on becoming an expert in faith manipulation, creates
Speaker 2: a whole new element. And then when you add the
Speaker 2: paranormal to things, that creates yet another whole new element
Speaker 2: that it can be sticky among the scientific community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, when it comes to things like with paranormal
Speaker 1: and religion and everything else, like that's always it's strange
Speaker 1: to say it this way, but I always feel like
Speaker 1: those go hand in hand and people will arguementative about it.
Speaker 1: But religion, to me, you're believing, will just use Christianity
Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a there's a holy spirit. Well, they
Speaker 1: don't believe in ghosts, they don't believe in paranormal it's like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, your whole religion is based upon.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So I always that always cracks me up when I
Speaker 1: talk with people to get so defensive on stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because you're literally your entire life you wrap this religion
Speaker 1: around thing, but you shut off anything else because you
Speaker 1: don't believe in that stuff. But yet you're going to
Speaker 1: believe this well.
Speaker 2: And then another aspect that I run into, and Christianity
Speaker 2: is a good example, I was I was raised in Christianity,
Speaker 2: Jewish grandmother raised in Christianity. Figure that out. One of
Speaker 2: the things that that they when they say, well that
Speaker 2: it can't happen that way, and you're pointing out, well
Speaker 2: that you're contradicting yourself. It's well, God made it that way.
Speaker 2: I didn't say God didn't make it that way. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know why it's that way, But you're
Speaker 2: contradicting yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, without like getting them down that whole rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of religion. I honestly, I feel like there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot of contradictions. I was raised in any costal church,
Speaker 1: so I have my own opinions on things. But no, basically,
Speaker 1: when you'd reached out to me, you'd said something about
Speaker 1: shared experiences, like and that's kind of where if you're
Speaker 1: the conversation is going to dive into. So if you're
Speaker 1: ready to be on that path, we can go right on.
Speaker 2: Into absolutely so shared experiences. We could start with like
Speaker 2: the Mandela effect, because that a lot of times two
Speaker 2: people or even a whole group of people will see
Speaker 2: something that signs cannot explain, and you hear a lot
Speaker 2: of these same stories coming from these groups of people's
Speaker 2: or on my phone keeps thinking and it was like
Speaker 2: why people, So you see hear a lot of the
Speaker 2: same stories coming from people, but yet the scientific community says, well,
Speaker 2: that didn't happen. That's the Mendela effect. Mendel effect is
Speaker 2: in a nutshell, when a large group of people really
Speaker 2: firmly believes something happened, but then when you go back
Speaker 2: through history, there's no evidence of that thing happening. So
Speaker 2: what happened with me is in my practice with I
Speaker 2: call them clients because I'm not a doctor yet, and
Speaker 2: even then I wouldn't be a medical doctor. I started
Speaker 2: using the term shared delusions, and when I first said it,
Speaker 2: it was kind of flippant. It was meant as a
Speaker 2: joke to alleviate tension. Because I had seen exactly what
Speaker 2: that what the person I was with had seen, I
Speaker 2: knew they were telling the truth. But it's one of
Speaker 2: those things where if you go and and it's happened
Speaker 2: multiple times since that first experience, if we went and
Speaker 2: told a therapist to that, there'd be a phone call
Speaker 2: made that this person needs meds. And that's that's why
Speaker 2: I say shared delusion. We've talked about this just before
Speaker 2: you started recording. Shared delusions kind of fall under that
Speaker 2: Mandela effect. There is no proof that thing ever happened,
Speaker 2: yet there are multiple people saying I remember that happening. No,
Speaker 2: that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: I think with with my own I just kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned like from my own personal experience or whatever, like
Speaker 1: and hearing other people's stuff. There's people that remember things
Speaker 1: vividly together and then it's not the same as what
Speaker 1: other people remember or someone else's This didn't happen, but
Speaker 1: people remember it right well.
Speaker 2: And another thing that happens like with group settings. And
Speaker 2: as a psychologist, and I was a sociologist before or
Speaker 2: my degree is in sociologists should say and then I
Speaker 2: went into psychology. You're going to have, you know, have
Speaker 2: five people there. You're going to have five different viewpoints,
Speaker 2: and you may have all witnessed the exact same occurrence.
Speaker 2: But we're not robots, so it plays back in our
Speaker 2: minds differently. So you're going to get five slightly varying stories.
Speaker 2: You may get four slightly varying stories, and one vastly
Speaker 2: different story that happens too, but all five of those
Speaker 2: people witnessed the exact same occurrence.
Speaker 1: It's like the human mind interprets things a little bit
Speaker 1: differently for each person.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's and I'm frequently telling clients you're not a robot.
Speaker 2: It's okay. You know, a robot can record it and
Speaker 2: they see it the same way every time, But a
Speaker 2: human records it, if you will, and then when they
Speaker 2: replay it in their mind, they may notice different things
Speaker 2: every time. It's because we're not robots and our minds
Speaker 2: don't work the same as a silicon life form, so
Speaker 2: to speak.
Speaker 1: Now, do you believe that people their perceptions change of
Speaker 1: their memory over time, like they remember an event happening,
Speaker 1: but then over time, like that event changes of how
Speaker 1: they remember it.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the event changes. I would say
Speaker 2: it becomes tainted by knowledge or future life experiences. An
Speaker 2: example I can use is things that I saw as
Speaker 2: a child, things that happen when I was a child.
Speaker 2: I have a knowledge base now as an adult that
Speaker 2: I did not have when I was a child, So
Speaker 2: looking back on those memories, I see them in a
Speaker 2: different light. The experience is still there, memory is still there,
Speaker 2: but I have a different understanding of what may have
Speaker 2: been going on in the background when that experience was happening.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, that makes sense. Had there been anything like
Speaker 1: it you've experienced personally that you would want to talk
Speaker 1: about other kind of give examples too, or.
Speaker 2: I was shared delusion. I can go to the first
Speaker 2: one because that's like imprinted on my brain forever. The
Speaker 2: first one that I when I realized that's what was happening,
Speaker 2: that we were both seeing the same thing, and we
Speaker 2: definitely saw the same thing, which was I work worked
Speaker 2: a job where I would take clients, like to the doctor.
Speaker 2: I was their their medical advocate, and I had the
Speaker 2: client in the car with me. We were talking, you know,
Speaker 2: we were having you know, a conversation. We weren't really
Speaker 2: paying attention to what was going on around us. We
Speaker 2: were stuck in traffic. The first thing we noticed was
Speaker 2: the radio turned off. And the only reason we really
Speaker 2: noticed was because we always had the radio in the
Speaker 2: background when we were talking. It was just noise and
Speaker 2: we're like, why did the radio turn off? That's weird.
Speaker 2: And then my client had said, oh, my gosh, look
Speaker 2: and I looked up and there was this I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call it an orb I'm gonna go with that, and
Speaker 2: it was just like floating in mid air, clearly far
Speaker 2: above us, right and we both watched it, and then
Speaker 2: it zoomed away, and then the radio came back on,
Speaker 2: and when it came back on, it came back on loud,
Speaker 2: like it scared us. And my client had looked at
Speaker 2: me and she was like, did you see that? Did
Speaker 2: you hear that? And I went shared delusion, and then
Speaker 2: after that we giggled about it, and it it was
Speaker 2: something I could say that would lift things. Looking at
Speaker 2: traffic around us. Nobody else saw that, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know somebody else maybe did see it, like where
Speaker 2: can I go from that? But but it was one
Speaker 2: of those things. And she she was one who complained
Speaker 2: frequently that you know when something that you can't explain.
Speaker 2: We couldn't explain that there's this random orb. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that was ghosts, aliens, or just some weird phenomena,
Speaker 2: but we definitely saw that, and we both definitely saw that.
Speaker 2: But it was one of those things where she felt like,
Speaker 2: and she would talk, she still talks to me about it.
Speaker 2: She felt like if she went to any other therapist,
Speaker 2: they would say, oh, no, that didn't happen. You're crazy.
Speaker 2: And I despise therapists who used that word. Just going
Speaker 2: to throw that out there. We don't stay crazy, you were.
Speaker 1: You both saw the right.
Speaker 2: We both definitely saw it, and I mean the radio
Speaker 2: turning off and then the radio coming back on. It
Speaker 2: came back on at full volume. We never played the
Speaker 2: radio full volume, and neither one of us had touched
Speaker 2: the knobs, so it was just very odd. So we
Speaker 2: both definitely experienced something. Can I explain what we experienced
Speaker 2: not scientifically, And that's kind of where I come from.
Speaker 2: And I've heard from people like you said, there's groups
Speaker 2: of people you'll hear that they all had this experience
Speaker 2: that maybe we can't explain scientifically, but it's they's such
Speaker 2: a stigma on things that they feel like if they
Speaker 2: do talk about it, they're going to get looked at
Speaker 2: like they're like they're crazy, like they need meutes, even
Speaker 2: though they don't. They just experience something they can't explain.
Speaker 2: And there was more than one person that experienced something
Speaker 2: they can't explain.
Speaker 1: For me, that is why I do the show, because
Speaker 1: what happened with me, you couldn't talk about it because
Speaker 1: literally people like you're crazy. And I wanted to make
Speaker 1: this show for people to come on here and talk
Speaker 1: about things that they can't normally talk about because you're
Speaker 1: gonna be looked at by the average person of a
Speaker 1: whack job or whatever they want to call you. Because
Speaker 1: people see things that they just can't explain, things that
Speaker 1: don't seem normal, things that happen, Like you've seen an
Speaker 1: ORB and the radio went out, people see a big
Speaker 1: foot running through the woods. I'd literally seen an upright
Speaker 1: walking canine in the middle of the road.
Speaker 2: Oh the dog man.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was with a coworker like he was driving
Speaker 1: us up a vehicle. He was in front of me.
Speaker 1: He swerved to miss that. We turned around, went back
Speaker 1: like there's a whole thing about it. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to dive into it, but like that's okay. We saw
Speaker 1: things that shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been possible,
Speaker 1: and the average person, if you don't experience it, you're
Speaker 1: never going to believe it. Like some people might say
Speaker 1: they're open minded, but unless you've actually had those experiences yourself,
Speaker 1: you don't understand it. And for me, this is why
Speaker 1: I do what I do because I've wanted answers for
Speaker 1: seventeen years. This has always bothered me that I experienced
Speaker 1: something that I can't explain. I saw something that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: So it's always been like my journey. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: like my journey is to try and find answers. And
Speaker 1: by doing what I do now, i'd get to talk
Speaker 1: to other people who have had similar experiences, but I'm
Speaker 1: also trying to continue to my own journey that makes
Speaker 1: any sort of sense.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And like when you describe the upright dog
Speaker 2: like you heard me say, oh the dog man. One
Speaker 2: of the jobs I have done as an advocate was
Speaker 2: I would go out to homeless encampments and have to
Speaker 2: find my people because they were semi homeless or full
Speaker 2: on homeless in some cases and one of the things
Speaker 2: one of my people had said, please don't come out
Speaker 2: here after dark. And I was like, why, I'm I
Speaker 2: am this is where you know. I am nero divergent,
Speaker 2: I turn off fear. I if I need to be somewhere,
Speaker 2: I will be there. I just what fear and he
Speaker 2: said had described that there was a doglike creature that
Speaker 2: was attacking the homeless. I had multiple homeless people tell
Speaker 2: me that, people who were not my clients telling me
Speaker 2: that who were living in this encampment. That's why, you know,
Speaker 2: did it ever make the news? Of course not. Were
Speaker 2: there people that went missing? Yes, I have a client
Speaker 2: that we haven't found him in eight months. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's okay. So that was when you said
Speaker 2: the dog man. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know that one.
Speaker 2: I've heard that story. I haven't haven't seen it myself,
Speaker 2: but I have heard about it from enough other that
Speaker 2: there's enough people who have seen something like that that
Speaker 2: there's something to that. There has to be.
Speaker 1: That's where I come back to when you originally had
Speaker 1: mentioned like shared experiences, A lot of people have experienced
Speaker 1: this type of thing. This phenomenon seemed like I said
Speaker 1: with other cryptos like Bigfoot. Yeah, scientifically they don't exist
Speaker 1: at least it's it's never been proven or admitted to
Speaker 1: or anything about it. But anywhere in just go down
Speaker 1: the path of science, there's never been an upright humanoid
Speaker 1: canine like Biologically, it doesn't make any sort of sense.
Speaker 1: And there have been so many reports of this though.
Speaker 1: I feel like they've gotten a lot more popular within
Speaker 1: the last ten to fifteen years, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because more people have
Speaker 1: been open about it or without going down the whole
Speaker 1: even further down the woove factor here, Yeah, is like
Speaker 1: an Eggergre type thing. Like people are manifesting these now
Speaker 1: because they talk about it so much. Now that's manifested
Speaker 1: this image in people's brains to where they see the
Speaker 1: things because they hear people talk about it. Now, this
Speaker 1: thing exists because they manifested it.
Speaker 2: That would go under I might say it wrong. I've
Speaker 2: only ever seen it written a tulpa. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 2: like like an entity that the mob creates. And there
Speaker 2: is I mean, having studied quite a bit about demonology,
Speaker 2: I would say amateur demonologist. I do not want to
Speaker 2: be a professional demonologist. That sounds terrifying. I you know
Speaker 2: that if there is any type of entity there, you
Speaker 2: have to wonder if the collective mind can shape that
Speaker 2: entity and conform that entity. But that that means there
Speaker 2: was still something there to begin with. There's some element
Speaker 2: of truth deep down even going with that theory. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: and I just went with my clients who were in
Speaker 2: the homeless encampment. They were scared, and that was where
Speaker 2: the one gentleman was saying for me. He was like, police,
Speaker 2: don't come in here. He was scared for me. I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid. I haven't seen this. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: But they were genuinely scared of something.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people that are afraid
Speaker 1: of it seem That's also something that seemed to be
Speaker 1: very common I've noticed is some people say these things
Speaker 1: feed on fear. So if it is something that has
Speaker 1: been manifested, is that what it actually is feeding on
Speaker 1: is the fear of it?
Speaker 2: And that's yeah, that goes with that kind of that
Speaker 2: demonic element or that evil element, because does that element
Speaker 2: have an initial shape? That's another question. Does it actually
Speaker 2: have a shape or is it taking the shape from
Speaker 2: those fears?
Speaker 1: And from those stories, the werewolf has been in lures
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years. Like obviously through Europe they had
Speaker 1: all sorts of werewolf things, and even in ancient Egypt
Speaker 1: they had a Nubis, which was the god of had
Speaker 1: a human body, but it had the dog wolf, jackal head,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Yeah, So there's been
Speaker 1: depictions of these things for thousands of years now, and
Speaker 1: people get upset that you're considering a werewolf and a
Speaker 1: dog man. I was like, well, does anyone know the difference?
Speaker 1: Like Hollywood has said, a werewolf is someone that changes
Speaker 1: into a wolf.
Speaker 2: Vampires originally changed into wolves, though if you read the
Speaker 2: original Dracula.
Speaker 1: So who's to say that these original stories though they've
Speaker 1: blamed it on a human change into it just because
Speaker 1: it looked humanoid, and that's I mean.
Speaker 2: Then you get into like, I don't know as much
Speaker 2: about those that that lore, but the Native American lore
Speaker 2: of the skin walker. I believe skin walkers can change
Speaker 2: form as well.
Speaker 1: From what I have, the Navajo tribe were the skin walkers,
Speaker 1: and then the other ones, they all I think have
Speaker 1: their own kind of depictations of it. And I found
Speaker 1: out here in the cryptid realms, which people like to
Speaker 1: refer to everything as skin walkers and it really upsets everybody.
Speaker 2: So no, they're very, very different.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, like skin walkers is strictly Navajo not
Speaker 1: to get eight hundred messages from people telling me that
Speaker 1: we're wrong.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's why I was saying, I don't know
Speaker 2: as much about that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there are shape shifters in different Native American
Speaker 1: low and throughout history there have been tricksters and shape
Speaker 1: shifters and all sorts of things. So that is very common.
Speaker 1: And who's to say if that's to me? I'm very skeptical,
Speaker 1: Like I say that all the time that I'm a
Speaker 1: very skeptical person, and it's hard for me to be
Speaker 1: fully invested and believe in everything because I have to
Speaker 1: stay grounded. And that's where I struggle at because I
Speaker 1: know there is no such thing as dog man. They
Speaker 1: don't exist. But yet you've seen something that looks like it.
Speaker 1: It's like, so how do you combat that mentally? Well?
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then when you're working with people
Speaker 2: who were saying no, I've seen this or no I
Speaker 2: heard things, and there is a genuine fear there I mean, no,
Speaker 2: I can't explain that scientifically. Yes, it could all be
Speaker 2: in their minds, it could be in their collective mind
Speaker 2: I still have to treat that as a very real
Speaker 2: thing because they are seeing that as real, and that's
Speaker 2: an element of psychology people don't like to delve into
Speaker 2: or accept. If a person believes something strongly enough that
Speaker 2: they are taking steps to protect themselves from it, that
Speaker 2: is a very real threat in their minds. And the
Speaker 2: argument that, well, you can't play into the delusion. You
Speaker 2: can't don't play into the crazy. That's my mom likes
Speaker 2: to say that one. Thanks Mom, But sometimes you have
Speaker 2: to because you have to protect the person as well.
Speaker 2: You have to protect the group as well. And if
Speaker 2: they are deathly afraid of something, there is something they
Speaker 2: are afraid of. Whether it's real or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their mind one way, it's real to them. And
Speaker 1: I've said that with people that I've interviewed. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to believe everything that someone tells me that
Speaker 1: they experienced is one hundred percent true. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that they're making it up or lying by any means.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe what they're remembering isn't exactly how
Speaker 1: it happened, but that's how their.
Speaker 2: Mind is, right, or maybe how they perceived it wasn't. Again,
Speaker 2: we're not robots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like they one hundred percent when
Speaker 1: they come on here and they talk about the weird
Speaker 1: things that happened to them, they are one hundred percent
Speaker 1: telling me how they remember it happening, and they're one
Speaker 1: hundred percent being honest about it. That doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate or I believe everything that they said,
Speaker 1: because again I try and remain skeptical because maybe something else.
Speaker 3: Is going on.
Speaker 1: But this is just how you remembered it for some reason.
Speaker 1: That's how your mind covered something up to maybe something
Speaker 1: else happened, and this is how you manifested a way
Speaker 1: to deal with because of the human minds weird like that.
Speaker 2: Well, and then there's we could get into trauma based
Speaker 2: care pretty easily with that because you mentioned how your
Speaker 2: mind covers it up. The mind is the brain is
Speaker 2: so amazing and random fact is that we know more
Speaker 2: about our oceans on Earth than we do about the
Speaker 2: human brain and the human mind. Mind. As a psychologists,
Speaker 2: as a type of neuroscientist that is terrifying. We don't
Speaker 2: know enough about our own mind. We know more about
Speaker 2: the oceans, and we've only explored I think it's six
Speaker 2: percent of the oceans now, yeah.
Speaker 1: Four to six percent. I was gonna ready to say
Speaker 1: they don't really know anything about the oceans ether exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's why that's terrifying. As as any form of
Speaker 2: scientists who deals with the mind, it's so when you
Speaker 2: get into trauma and formed care, a person's mind has
Speaker 2: been itself and disassociating to protect itself. That is just
Speaker 2: so unique when it whether you believe in evolution or creation,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Our minds are so unique. Like a computer,
Speaker 2: I make the comment, we're not robots. A computer can't
Speaker 2: even protect itself from things that human's minds somehow manage
Speaker 2: to protect themselves from. So knowing that as a base
Speaker 2: that and that's where I say there's always an element.
Speaker 2: It may be the tiniest kernel of truth, but there's
Speaker 2: something in what that person experienced. Maybe the fantasy was
Speaker 2: easier for a person's mind to take in than the
Speaker 2: reality because the reality was just so horrible or just
Speaker 2: so awful, or just so unbelievable. A stranger than fiction.
Speaker 2: Things very much happen, and it's just the mind has
Speaker 2: to build those walls, it has to build those barriers,
Speaker 2: and I just I wish we knew more about the
Speaker 2: human brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said this multiple times, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to sound like I'm degrading anyone or not believing anyone
Speaker 1: that has these experiences. But sometimes I've often wondered if
Speaker 1: when people say they've been abducted by aliens and they
Speaker 1: come down, they take them on, they do all these
Speaker 1: like sexual things to them or whatever. I'm always in
Speaker 1: the like thinking like, what if this is the mind
Speaker 1: covering up something else that happened when they were younger,
Speaker 1: and that's to them what came in. They don't their
Speaker 1: brain can't process like someone coming into the room in
Speaker 1: the middle of line doing that to them. Like, so
Speaker 1: they made it to be these monsters, these aliens or
Speaker 1: whatever came and did all this stuff to them.
Speaker 2: Actually, I do have an experience with a youth very
Speaker 2: much along that that theory based on physical evidence. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be careful with some of her details. So
Speaker 2: I'm like going through what can what can I share
Speaker 2: based on a physical and evidence we knew she had
Speaker 2: been Is it safe to you just use the terminology.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how pc I need to be.
Speaker 1: I don't really care what gets said, but some sensor
Speaker 1: things do, so don't say the R word.
Speaker 2: Okay. She had been definitely assaulted as a child, those scars,
Speaker 2: that tearing was very much there. But she claimed that
Speaker 2: a demon had come up out of the floor and
Speaker 2: got into her bed and did these things to her.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say teenager, because again, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be really careful with We're talking about somebody who's
Speaker 2: still a minor, so I'm trying to be really steerful.
Speaker 2: But in her mind it was easier to put that
Speaker 2: story that a demon did it. After doing a little
Speaker 2: bit of investigating and getting some more details from the family,
Speaker 2: we figured out it was someone in the family who
Speaker 2: had done that to her, and I think for her
Speaker 2: it was easier to think a demon did it than
Speaker 2: the person in the family. Yeah, that's that kernel of truth.
Speaker 2: Did a demon do those things? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But something did those things, or someone did those things,
Speaker 2: and it was just her mind's way of protecting her
Speaker 2: from what had happened.
Speaker 1: That's the struggle I have with when it comes to
Speaker 1: these sorts of topics for me is you don't want
Speaker 1: to tell someone they're wrong? Yeah, because I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, Like we have these assumptions, but we
Speaker 1: were never really there, so they can go off of
Speaker 1: what we believe would makes sense. But at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that person to tell someone
Speaker 1: they're ever wrong, because I don't like when people tell
Speaker 1: other people they're like you said, you don't call someone crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell someone that they're wrong about
Speaker 1: something they experience because I wasn't there to experience it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had plenty of people tell me that I saw
Speaker 1: a bear. I was like, well, we don't have bear
Speaker 1: in Indiana. But we also don't have our pride rocking
Speaker 1: canines in Indiana either, so there's that.
Speaker 2: Even I was like, a bear what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's what I hate. When it comes to
Speaker 1: the crypto communities, people are always like, oh, you saw
Speaker 1: a bear this or this was a mangy bear here,
Speaker 1: Like people know what a bear looks like. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very hard to confuse a bear with a bigfoot, or
Speaker 1: a bear with a canine, or a bear with anything else.
Speaker 1: Someone actually said it could have been a wild kangaroo.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, those are apparently around here too.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I was in Australia.
Speaker 2: But oh, okay, it's gonna be kangaroo. Sure, that's a
Speaker 2: horror movie coming out in a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the right off that people give for answers, for
Speaker 1: explanations or even more kookie than the actual things that
Speaker 1: most people see.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, truth is stranger than fiction. And I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of things out there that we
Speaker 2: don't we don't know that we can't explain yet. And
Speaker 2: I've told many a client that that, you know, just
Speaker 2: because science can't explain it right now doesn't mean science
Speaker 2: won't be able to explain it in the future. I'm
Speaker 2: going to go there, Star Trek cell phones.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't know when it comes to
Speaker 1: with science and everything else, Like, I feel like there's
Speaker 1: definitely more out there that can be done. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, just on a scientific level, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I feel like they're risking their reputations if
Speaker 1: they start looking into certain things like this, because it
Speaker 1: kind of gets rowned upon in general. So when people
Speaker 1: research into this type of things, and they start believing
Speaker 1: these type of things, but like, no, this is what
Speaker 1: I do. You're basically damning yourself by a green with
Speaker 1: the small little minority of people that are labeled by
Speaker 1: the higher upper people whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 1: like is crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, and actually, when I first started working on my PhD,
Speaker 2: I had spoken to one of my mentors and he
Speaker 2: was asking, well, what do you want to do with psychology?
Speaker 2: What would you do in the form of research, because
Speaker 2: that's what I want to go into, is research primarily.
Speaker 2: And I was describing to him parapsychology and existential psychology,
Speaker 2: and he talked me out of going into existential psychology.
Speaker 2: His reason was that if people see a PhD with
Speaker 2: general psychology behind it, that is more acceptable to the
Speaker 2: secular world than existential psychology or parapsychology, and that's just
Speaker 2: really unfortunate in my mind. However, I did take his
Speaker 2: advice and I did choose to go general because the
Speaker 2: reality is, once I've got my dissertation published and have
Speaker 2: got the degree behind my name, I can go any
Speaker 2: field I want it. It's general. No stay in school kids.
Speaker 1: The lesson to learn from this episode stay in school.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, but that parapsychology is such an interesting field.
Speaker 2: And then existential psychology. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: covered that on your channel. Is that something?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Not, not really?
Speaker 2: Okay. That's kind of the psychology of death and the
Speaker 2: psychology of dying, and it's such an underrepresented psychological phenomena.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'll hear about people who've had near death experiences,
Speaker 2: but there's just so few psychologists who specialize in that
Speaker 2: particular fields.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 2: We've talked about Tulpa's kind of a little bit, and
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm maybe saying that wrong. So someone's
Speaker 2: like she's saying she's butchering it. I'm sorry, I've only ever.
Speaker 1: Seen it written Tulpa's Talpa's. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's Toulpa's.
Speaker 2: Okay, the shared delusion, we can kind of go back
Speaker 2: to that because I've I've had I mean, another experience
Speaker 2: I had and this is where I say it. It
Speaker 2: was a unique one and it kind of goes into
Speaker 2: the other direction. I know before it was like, well,
Speaker 2: was it Aliens? Was it angels? I don't know, But
Speaker 2: I had one where I was visiting a client clients
Speaker 2: in their homes frequently, and she was renting a room
Speaker 2: and I had met one of her housemates, elderly man,
Speaker 2: very kind, polite man, had met him several times, and
Speaker 2: I had gone to see her and it had been
Speaker 2: about a week and they had all commented about this
Speaker 2: smell coming in the hallway, and I stepped in the
Speaker 2: hallway and I was like, has anybody seen this gentleman
Speaker 2: in a while. And the thing is, they all insisted
Speaker 2: they had seen him just the morning before. There's no
Speaker 2: way the people in that house could have seen him
Speaker 2: just when I stepped in the hallway based on the smell.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're kind of figuring out where I'm going.
Speaker 2: And I called the landlord and I was like, I
Speaker 2: am not opening that door, and it wouldn't matter any way.
Speaker 2: It turned out it was locked. I was like, you
Speaker 2: need to get someone out here to do a wellness
Speaker 2: check and potentially the police. That smell was so strong,
Speaker 2: it was that sickly sweet, you know when there's rot nearby.
Speaker 2: And they couldn't get the door open, So, like I said,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have mattered anyway if I'd have tried. They
Speaker 2: had to go through the window outside for someone to
Speaker 2: get in, and the coroner told us later he had
Speaker 2: been deceased for about two weeks. By that point, there's
Speaker 2: no way anyone in that house had seen him yet,
Speaker 2: even myself, I had talked to that gentleman no more
Speaker 2: than a week prior, how if? And then the corner
Speaker 2: when they come back and they say, yeah, he'd been
Speaker 2: deceased at least two weeks. It's like, but how we
Speaker 2: all talked to this man, We know he was there,
Speaker 2: and they got him out. They cleaned the room out,
Speaker 2: and when they finished cleaning the room out, when you
Speaker 2: could not smell anything, it was it was very clean.
Speaker 2: For the landlord, he had to hire professionals and has
Speaker 2: Matt team, and I did not envy anybody that job.
Speaker 2: But he tried to rent the room out three times
Speaker 2: that I know of for sure. He may have tried
Speaker 2: more since then. And people would move in and within
Speaker 2: two days of moving into the room, they insisted that
Speaker 2: smell had come back. They could smell it and like
Speaker 2: it was enough. It was making a lady sick. There
Speaker 2: was nothing that should have been causing a smell. They
Speaker 2: had cleaned that room very thoroughly last time. I talked
Speaker 2: to the landlord. He'd said he'd given up on renting
Speaker 2: the room out. He couldn't rent the room out because
Speaker 2: people kept going in there and getting sick. And that
Speaker 2: goes back to that. Can I explain that scientifically they
Speaker 2: checked that room, they cleaned that room, they sanitized that room.
Speaker 2: What was causing the smell? And then the other experience
Speaker 2: connected to that, How did we how did we all
Speaker 2: see and talk to that man during that two weeks
Speaker 2: when we're sure he was deceased, but we all did.
Speaker 2: It was more than one person. It was like nine
Speaker 2: or ten people. It wasn't like it was just me.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just my client. So it's not like it
Speaker 2: was one or two people feeding off of each other
Speaker 2: and saying no, no, this is what happened. This was
Speaker 2: a big group of us and a couple of them
Speaker 2: who were fairly removed from the house dynamics, you know,
Speaker 2: me being part of that. I have no explanation for
Speaker 2: any of that other than science can't explain everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very strange incidence because if people remember
Speaker 1: seeing you remember seeing I saw him, Yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: saying he's been passed away for at least two weeks.
Speaker 1: And that's the timeline doesn't add up.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. And no, I smelled in the hallway and
Speaker 2: they had complained for about a week. But that's another thing.
Speaker 2: A body starts to break down after three or four days.
Speaker 2: They should have been smelling it longer than right out
Speaker 2: a week or just under a week?
Speaker 1: Do they know how he.
Speaker 2: He passed in his sleep. He didn't go peacefully, was
Speaker 2: was what we had been told. So at least there
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 1: The mhm, it would be a fitting with the theme
Speaker 1: of my show. But like I wonder if maybe the
Speaker 1: things that you guys saw were actually it was him,
Speaker 1: but it was.
Speaker 2: Not like like your spirit. And that was That's where
Speaker 2: my mind goes to because I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people say, well, we know exactly what happens after death,
Speaker 2: No we don't, do so many of my Christian friends mad, No,
Speaker 2: we don't, just to uh.
Speaker 1: Maybe poke a stick into it. I feel like, and
Speaker 1: I've heard different people talk about this a little bit too.
Speaker 1: But you always hear that there's a light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel. I've heard that, Well, if we're
Speaker 1: not supposed to go to that light, what if we
Speaker 1: are man like we're told and we believe that's where
Speaker 1: we're supposed to go. But what if that is where
Speaker 1: cycles is? Back into what we're doing again, Like, what
Speaker 1: if there's other things that we can do not to
Speaker 1: go into the light. I know everyone that's really, oh,
Speaker 1: you got to go to the lights. The light's call.
Speaker 1: But what if the light is not the place where
Speaker 1: we're supposed to go. The light is there because it
Speaker 1: wants us to believe that's where we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's that's some of the weird stuff
Speaker 1: I think about every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Well, no, and you that's okay because you cause me
Speaker 2: to then think, you know the fly trap with the
Speaker 2: light or the fireflights that then go into into the
Speaker 2: light bulb, the light is the dangerous thing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's where they automatically gravitate. So you have that. That
Speaker 2: is something to consider. Is are we told all throughout
Speaker 2: our life go towards the light? Well that that light
Speaker 2: could be an oncoming train. Thanks Dad. I remember him
Speaker 2: saying that when I was a kid, Like that's a
Speaker 2: good memory, like in my mind.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to word it correctly, but
Speaker 1: basically like if they claim that we are light beings,
Speaker 1: so we're supposed to go towards the light, Well, what
Speaker 1: if there's things out there that feed on us and
Speaker 1: they want us to go to that light because it's
Speaker 1: like you just said, it's almost like the trap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they lead us to this light, so then that
Speaker 1: we become servants again and we do the same cycle again,
Speaker 1: like we don't ever get past this life, like we
Speaker 1: literally are. Some people say we're in a simulation. Well
Speaker 1: maybe it's because the only ones to get out of
Speaker 1: the simulation is if we don't go back into the light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's another way we can go. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's a light at all.
Speaker 1: I'm just going by what people have claimed.
Speaker 2: Well, and I've heard and this was a client that
Speaker 2: he has since passed away, so I kind of feel
Speaker 2: safe talking about him. I was with him when he
Speaker 2: got the news that he had cancer so severe. They
Speaker 2: were describing what they were going to do to combat
Speaker 2: this cancer, and I'm sitting there with him and I
Speaker 2: don't think he was processing anything the doctor was saying.
Speaker 2: And it just hit me and I was like, you guys,
Speaker 2: haven't said what stage it is. And they just looked
Speaker 2: at me and they were like, Oh, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: We're going to fight it. And I was I'm talking,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting next to an eighty year old man,
Speaker 2: mind you, And I was just like, what stage is it?
Speaker 2: He had stage four pancreatic cancer and it was in
Speaker 2: his blood. Was my understanding, not a medical doctor, so
Speaker 2: bear with me there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it was.
Speaker 2: That he made the decision not to do anything, and
Speaker 2: of course the doctors were like, no, you can fight this,
Speaker 2: you can beat this eighty year old man. I one
Speaker 2: hundred percent supported his decision, and I would even today.
Speaker 2: He just he was like, it's not worth it. I'm old,
Speaker 2: I'm tired. I just want to go. I visited him
Speaker 2: about a week before he passed away, and he had
Speaker 2: made a comment that his mother kept standing in the
Speaker 2: doorway and why was his mother there? Like there was
Speaker 2: enough still with him that he knew his mom shouldn't
Speaker 2: be standing there. And I had just held his hand
Speaker 2: and I was like, Jerry, it's okay. If you need
Speaker 2: to go be with your mom, go be with your mom.
Speaker 2: And his niece had told him kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2: She was in the room. And then when he passed away,
Speaker 2: his niece was the one who told me he'd passed away.
Speaker 2: She had wondered was he seeing his mom? Was it
Speaker 2: really his mom or was that his mind putting something
Speaker 2: comforting there? And in that moment his mother was comforting.
Speaker 2: But that kind of goes back to that existential psychology
Speaker 2: and that we don't really have a lot of information
Speaker 2: on when people die. We don't know what happens. We
Speaker 2: just don't. We can theorize all day long, but there's
Speaker 2: there's no no data, there's no real information behind that.
Speaker 1: There's definitely ideas and beliefs, but no one truly knows until.
Speaker 3: We die.
Speaker 1: Where I was going with that we may never know.
Speaker 2: Either, we may never know. And where I was going
Speaker 2: with that was that he wasn't seeing a light. He
Speaker 2: was seeing a person. He was seeing his mother. So
Speaker 2: when you were saying, well, maybe not everyone sees the light,
Speaker 2: I don't know that Jerry did. I think that's that's
Speaker 2: what he saw, and maybe it's different for everybody. Again,
Speaker 2: we don't know, And it's it's one of those topics
Speaker 2: that even the scientific community goes, eh no, no, not
Speaker 2: touching that, not going there, but why not?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just don't want to rock that rock the Buddha.
Speaker 2: I guess well, that comes down to religion, and every
Speaker 2: religion has their own belief system of what happens after
Speaker 2: a person dies. Whether you believe in heaven, hell, or
Speaker 2: the Many Realms or Nirvana or you know, whatever you
Speaker 2: personally believe in, it's we don't We just we don't know.
Speaker 2: And that's that's why I say I'm gonna poking. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make a lot of Christians mad.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1: Now, I feel like at this rate, if anyone listens
Speaker 1: to my show in general, like the kind of I'm
Speaker 1: not against any sort of religion in one way or
Speaker 1: the other, but I always feel like it's kind of
Speaker 1: hypocritical of a lot of people for some of the
Speaker 1: things that they go about and the things they say
Speaker 1: and the things they believe. It's like, how can you
Speaker 1: tell people one thing and then turn around and be
Speaker 1: the exact thing you said not to be?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I live in California. I could
Speaker 2: almost start a political channel with how often I make
Speaker 2: fun of the politicians.
Speaker 1: That is one thing I try not to do on
Speaker 1: this show too. Much is go down that rabb hole
Speaker 1: politics because it's nothing but arguments.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it can be everyone feels so strongly. And
Speaker 2: I had this conversation with my nephew because he was
Speaker 2: fighting with his brother and he's like, well, who's right?
Speaker 2: And I had to look at him and say, you're
Speaker 2: both right and you're both wrong, right, And that's that's
Speaker 2: that's humanity, that's the difference in our experiences. You know,
Speaker 2: we may both experience the same thing, and we may
Speaker 2: both be right as to what happened, but we may
Speaker 2: both be wrong as to what happened too. But that's
Speaker 2: We're not cookie cutters, we're not robots. We're all different,
Speaker 2: and that's I just wish everyone could see that for
Speaker 2: how beautiful that really is, that we're all different. And
Speaker 2: I guess I'll kind of leave that there.
Speaker 1: Well, is there anything else you would like to discuss,
Speaker 1: because if not, we can probably get close to wrapping
Speaker 1: this one up.
Speaker 2: No, I was just kind of kind of letting you
Speaker 2: direct it and guide it.
Speaker 1: I don't ever come into shows with any sort of
Speaker 1: narrative or any sort of guidelines or anything, so it's
Speaker 1: all just kind of free flowing. But I always want
Speaker 1: to make sure that if there's anything that they guess
Speaker 1: wants to speak about talk about, give them an opportunity
Speaker 1: to be too wrap things up, because I just feel
Speaker 1: like once you kind of talk about the things you
Speaker 1: want to talk about, and then it starts to get
Speaker 1: into just random conversations or whatever. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if people enjoy listening to people just talking or not.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how the I don't know how
Speaker 1: my audience actually what they prefer to be a hundred
Speaker 1: percent hot. Like I've been doing this for two years
Speaker 1: and I don't really hear a whole lot from people.
Speaker 2: That's that's fair. It's like, you know, I actually sometimes
Speaker 2: like when I'm listening to other podcasts or just like
Speaker 2: I put put a lot a lot of YouTubers on
Speaker 2: and I'll just listen to them in the background. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I like the chaos of the random conversations, and sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm like, just get back on topic.
Speaker 1: I try and keep the show for the most part
Speaker 1: on topic, So for anyone listening, and if that's what
Speaker 1: you enjoy, you're welcome. But no, there's other times where
Speaker 1: i'd we end the recording, but then we talk for
Speaker 1: like another hour afterwards, and so oh, okay for me, like,
Speaker 1: that's that's just how I kind of go about it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to have the whole show just
Speaker 1: focused on random comversation.
Speaker 2: That's completely fair. Absolutely, so yeah, that's we kind of
Speaker 2: covered the basics of what I had wanted to cover
Speaker 2: when it comes to shared experiences or shared delusions, the
Speaker 2: kernels of truth behind every delusion or hallucination or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, and why I don't believe
Speaker 2: anyone is ever truly crazy.
Speaker 1: I believe that there is a lot of weird things
Speaker 1: out there, and people see a lot of weird things
Speaker 1: and sometimes you've said it like the truth or stranger
Speaker 1: than fiction. Oh and the things that we see makes
Speaker 1: people think you're crazy. And I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that there's not anybody that don't have any sort of
Speaker 1: mental issues, but I'm not going to tell someone that
Speaker 1: what they saw is not true, because again, I know
Speaker 1: what that's like. Yeah, absolutely well, Daphne, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming on here and talking. It's
Speaker 1: definitely been informative, a little bit of eye opening. Hopefully
Speaker 1: the audience gets a little bit from it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I hope so. And I don't know. If you
Speaker 2: put my name in the in the podcast, they can
Speaker 2: look me up. I'm pretty easy to find. You've got
Speaker 2: to spell my first name right.
Speaker 1: Say. If there's any way you want people to contact,
Speaker 1: you can just let me know and I can put
Speaker 1: all that in the show notes for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're going to head on out. So
Speaker 1: thanks for Daphne for coming on here and talking and
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Good Night everyone, and that's the show everyone.
Speaker 1: I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you
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Speaker 1: connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all
Speaker 1: for joining us on this journey, and until next time,
Speaker 1: keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good
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