WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.359 of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. 3 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 4 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:16.600 that turned me. 5 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:17.920 Away the quickest. 6 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 7 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.600 looked at us. 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.559 And one of the things I remember the most, where 9 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.399 the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. 10 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.560 It is just circling these steps like it is waiting 11 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:37.960 for me. 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.560 They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven 14 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.640 foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's 15 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.439 where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and 16 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.000 the eyes. 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.520 As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.359 it don't like death. 19 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.280 Welcome back to tenfoil Teals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright, 20 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:12.319 so we're gonna be joining on my guest Daphne. Daphne 21 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.719 reached out to me a while back. She works in 22 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.760 the psychology field. She had some interesting things to talk about, 23 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.560 so I'm definitely looking forward to diving into that. 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But I think 46 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.000 now we're going to go ahead and bring Daphne on 47 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.400 definitely looking forward to talking with her. I hope you 48 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.120 guys find it interesting to sit back, relax and enjoy 49 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:32.280 the show. Like to take this time to welcome my 50 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:34.560 guest tonight, Daphne. Thanks for coming on here and talking 51 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:35.680 to me. Yeah. 52 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:36.280 Absolutely. 53 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:38.280 Would you like to let the audience know a little 54 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:38.919 bit about yourself. 55 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:44.199 My name is Daphne Peters. I am working on my 56 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.919 doctorate in general psychology. What I do currently is psychological 57 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:55.080 therapy and I am one of a handful of therapists 58 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:05.800 in California who is willing to focus on paranormal psychology. 59 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.680 What else would I say? Been in the field about 60 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.719 twelve years, so I like to look at things from 61 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:20.280 a scientific perspective first, and often in my experience there 62 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:25.800 is no scientific explanation that we can see right away. 63 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:26.960 Let's go with that. 64 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:34.840 No, I don't know a whole lot about you would 65 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.719 think with talking with people and everything and everyone, I 66 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.840 would be someone interested in psychology, and I really have 67 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.039 been something that's always fascinating me, as like with a 68 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:47.000 human mind and everything else, But it's never been anything 69 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:52.240 that I've really dove into very much. So talking with 70 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.080 someone that actually has a background and is something that's 71 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.879 always piqued my interest because it's always been something that's 72 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.199 always been in the back of my mind, like I 73 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.719 want to know more about the human psyche, why we 74 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.319 see the things we do, Why do people feel the 75 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.400 way they feel, why they think the way they think. 76 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:10.479 So that'thing I've been curious about. 77 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:17.199 Well, and psychology is an interesting beast because the textbooks 78 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.759 might say one thing, but then my personal experience working 79 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:26.319 with people might say something completely different. And when you're 80 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:30.079 dealing with something like faith manipulation, which is something I 81 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:36.439 am working on becoming an expert in faith manipulation, creates 82 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.720 a whole new element. And then when you add the 83 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.040 paranormal to things, that creates yet another whole new element 84 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.199 that it can be sticky among the scientific community. 85 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.759 Yeah, Now, when it comes to things like with paranormal 86 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:56.680 and religion and everything else, like that's always it's strange 87 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.199 to say it this way, but I always feel like 88 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.199 those go hand in hand and people will arguementative about it. 89 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:06.360 But religion, to me, you're believing, will just use Christianity 90 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:11.120 or whatever, there's a there's a holy spirit. Well, they 91 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.639 don't believe in ghosts, they don't believe in paranormal it's like, well, 92 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:15.920 wait a minute, your whole religion is based upon. 93 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:17.920 Yes. 94 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.879 So I always that always cracks me up when I 95 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.879 talk with people to get so defensive on stuff like that, 96 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:31.920 because you're literally your entire life you wrap this religion 97 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.920 around thing, but you shut off anything else because you 98 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:37.560 don't believe in that stuff. But yet you're going to 99 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.680 believe this well. 100 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.560 And then another aspect that I run into, and Christianity 101 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.639 is a good example, I was I was raised in Christianity, 102 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:53.240 Jewish grandmother raised in Christianity. Figure that out. One of 103 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.360 the things that that they when they say, well that 104 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:59.600 it can't happen that way, and you're pointing out, well 105 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.680 that you're contradicting yourself. It's well, God made it that way. 106 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.279 I didn't say God didn't make it that way. I 107 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:09.959 don't I don't know why it's that way, But you're 108 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:10.839 contradicting yourself. 109 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:16.560 Yeah, without like getting them down that whole rabbit hole 110 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.720 of religion. I honestly, I feel like there's a whole 111 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:24.399 lot of contradictions. I was raised in any costal church, 112 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:30.800 so I have my own opinions on things. But no, basically, 113 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.560 when you'd reached out to me, you'd said something about 114 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:41.519 shared experiences, like and that's kind of where if you're 115 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.600 the conversation is going to dive into. So if you're 116 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.680 ready to be on that path, we can go right on. 117 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:53.319 Into absolutely so shared experiences. We could start with like 118 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.839 the Mandela effect, because that a lot of times two 119 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.839 people or even a whole group of people will see 120 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.560 something that signs cannot explain, and you hear a lot 121 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.560 of these same stories coming from these groups of people's 122 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.079 or on my phone keeps thinking and it was like 123 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.800 why people, So you see hear a lot of the 124 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:17.000 same stories coming from people, but yet the scientific community says, well, 125 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.360 that didn't happen. That's the Mendela effect. Mendel effect is 126 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.480 in a nutshell, when a large group of people really 127 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.240 firmly believes something happened, but then when you go back 128 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:34.079 through history, there's no evidence of that thing happening. So 129 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.920 what happened with me is in my practice with I 130 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.319 call them clients because I'm not a doctor yet, and 131 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.439 even then I wouldn't be a medical doctor. I started 132 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:49.600 using the term shared delusions, and when I first said it, 133 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.720 it was kind of flippant. It was meant as a 134 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.800 joke to alleviate tension. Because I had seen exactly what 135 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.000 that what the person I was with had seen, I 136 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.120 knew they were telling the truth. But it's one of 137 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.959 those things where if you go and and it's happened 138 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:06.720 multiple times since that first experience, if we went and 139 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:10.040 told a therapist to that, there'd be a phone call 140 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:14.639 made that this person needs meds. And that's that's why 141 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:16.839 I say shared delusion. We've talked about this just before 142 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.600 you started recording. Shared delusions kind of fall under that 143 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.519 Mandela effect. There is no proof that thing ever happened, 144 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.600 yet there are multiple people saying I remember that happening. No, 145 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:27.720 that's how that happened. 146 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:37.039 I think with with my own I just kind of 147 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.000 mentioned like from my own personal experience or whatever, like 148 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.720 and hearing other people's stuff. There's people that remember things 149 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.159 vividly together and then it's not the same as what 150 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.279 other people remember or someone else's This didn't happen, but 151 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.240 people remember it right well. 152 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.120 And another thing that happens like with group settings. And 153 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.240 as a psychologist, and I was a sociologist before or 154 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.679 my degree is in sociologists should say and then I 155 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.440 went into psychology. You're going to have, you know, have 156 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.240 five people there. You're going to have five different viewpoints, 157 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.000 and you may have all witnessed the exact same occurrence. 158 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.039 But we're not robots, so it plays back in our 159 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:32.279 minds differently. So you're going to get five slightly varying stories. 160 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.080 You may get four slightly varying stories, and one vastly 161 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:41.679 different story that happens too, but all five of those 162 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.519 people witnessed the exact same occurrence. 163 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.519 It's like the human mind interprets things a little bit 164 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:48.720 differently for each person. 165 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:54.840 Yes, that's and I'm frequently telling clients you're not a robot. 166 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.879 It's okay. You know, a robot can record it and 167 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:01.600 they see it the same way every time, But a 168 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.720 human records it, if you will, and then when they 169 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.559 replay it in their mind, they may notice different things 170 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:12.600 every time. It's because we're not robots and our minds 171 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.080 don't work the same as a silicon life form, so 172 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:16.559 to speak. 173 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:22.120 Now, do you believe that people their perceptions change of 174 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.360 their memory over time, like they remember an event happening, 175 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.799 but then over time, like that event changes of how 176 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:29.480 they remember it. 177 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.840 I don't know that the event changes. I would say 178 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:42.080 it becomes tainted by knowledge or future life experiences. An 179 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.080 example I can use is things that I saw as 180 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.120 a child, things that happen when I was a child. 181 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.200 I have a knowledge base now as an adult that 182 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.879 I did not have when I was a child, So 183 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.919 looking back on those memories, I see them in a 184 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:01.120 different light. The experience is still there, memory is still there, 185 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.279 but I have a different understanding of what may have 186 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.919 been going on in the background when that experience was happening. 187 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:16.799 M Yeah, that makes sense. Had there been anything like 188 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.320 it you've experienced personally that you would want to talk 189 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.120 about other kind of give examples too, or. 190 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.639 I was shared delusion. I can go to the first 191 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.639 one because that's like imprinted on my brain forever. The 192 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.519 first one that I when I realized that's what was happening, 193 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.519 that we were both seeing the same thing, and we 194 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.000 definitely saw the same thing, which was I work worked 195 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.159 a job where I would take clients, like to the doctor. 196 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.320 I was their their medical advocate, and I had the 197 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.320 client in the car with me. We were talking, you know, 198 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.840 we were having you know, a conversation. We weren't really 199 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.440 paying attention to what was going on around us. We 200 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:02.480 were stuck in traffic. The first thing we noticed was 201 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.519 the radio turned off. And the only reason we really 202 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.919 noticed was because we always had the radio in the 203 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.080 background when we were talking. It was just noise and 204 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.799 we're like, why did the radio turn off? That's weird. 205 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.200 And then my client had said, oh, my gosh, look 206 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.200 and I looked up and there was this I'm gonna 207 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.480 call it an orb I'm gonna go with that, and 208 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.399 it was just like floating in mid air, clearly far 209 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.879 above us, right and we both watched it, and then 210 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.679 it zoomed away, and then the radio came back on, 211 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:37.159 and when it came back on, it came back on loud, 212 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:42.039 like it scared us. And my client had looked at 213 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.600 me and she was like, did you see that? Did 214 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.399 you hear that? And I went shared delusion, and then 215 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.879 after that we giggled about it, and it it was 216 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:56.639 something I could say that would lift things. Looking at 217 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.279 traffic around us. Nobody else saw that, you know, I 218 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:04.679 don't know somebody else maybe did see it, like where 219 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:09.440 can I go from that? But but it was one 220 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.639 of those things. And she she was one who complained 221 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.759 frequently that you know when something that you can't explain. 222 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.759 We couldn't explain that there's this random orb. I don't 223 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:21.279 know if that was ghosts, aliens, or just some weird phenomena, 224 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.159 but we definitely saw that, and we both definitely saw that. 225 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.240 But it was one of those things where she felt like, 226 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.039 and she would talk, she still talks to me about it. 227 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.879 She felt like if she went to any other therapist, 228 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.879 they would say, oh, no, that didn't happen. You're crazy. 229 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.759 And I despise therapists who used that word. Just going 230 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:49.559 to throw that out there. We don't stay crazy, you were. 231 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:51.440 You both saw the right. 232 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:54.240 We both definitely saw it, and I mean the radio 233 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.600 turning off and then the radio coming back on. It 234 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.960 came back on at full volume. We never played the 235 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.840 radio full volume, and neither one of us had touched 236 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:08.279 the knobs, so it was just very odd. So we 237 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:14.639 both definitely experienced something. Can I explain what we experienced 238 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:21.600 not scientifically, And that's kind of where I come from. 239 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.200 And I've heard from people like you said, there's groups 240 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.320 of people you'll hear that they all had this experience 241 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:34.039 that maybe we can't explain scientifically, but it's they's such 242 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.720 a stigma on things that they feel like if they 243 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.279 do talk about it, they're going to get looked at 244 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.840 like they're like they're crazy, like they need meutes, even 245 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.360 though they don't. They just experience something they can't explain. 246 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.240 And there was more than one person that experienced something 247 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:49.200 they can't explain. 248 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.240 For me, that is why I do the show, because 249 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.519 what happened with me, you couldn't talk about it because 250 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:02.080 literally people like you're crazy. And I wanted to make 251 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.039 this show for people to come on here and talk 252 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.759 about things that they can't normally talk about because you're 253 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.000 gonna be looked at by the average person of a 254 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.879 whack job or whatever they want to call you. Because 255 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.720 people see things that they just can't explain, things that 256 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.519 don't seem normal, things that happen, Like you've seen an 257 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.679 ORB and the radio went out, people see a big 258 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.240 foot running through the woods. I'd literally seen an upright 259 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.360 walking canine in the middle of the road. 260 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:30.360 Oh the dog man. 261 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:36.159 Okay, I was with a coworker like he was driving 262 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:37.679 us up a vehicle. He was in front of me. 263 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.679 He swerved to miss that. We turned around, went back 264 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.399 like there's a whole thing about it. I'm not going 265 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:47.279 to dive into it, but like that's okay. We saw 266 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.120 things that shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been possible, 267 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.919 and the average person, if you don't experience it, you're 268 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.200 never going to believe it. Like some people might say 269 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.679 they're open minded, but unless you've actually had those experiences yourself, 270 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:05.480 you don't understand it. And for me, this is why 271 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.600 I do what I do because I've wanted answers for 272 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:14.159 seventeen years. This has always bothered me that I experienced 273 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.279 something that I can't explain. I saw something that doesn't exist. 274 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.639 So it's always been like my journey. Yeah, so it's 275 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.679 like my journey is to try and find answers. And 276 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.559 by doing what I do now, i'd get to talk 277 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.960 to other people who have had similar experiences, but I'm 278 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.080 also trying to continue to my own journey that makes 279 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:36.120 any sort of sense. 280 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.600 No, absolutely, And like when you describe the upright dog 281 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.679 like you heard me say, oh the dog man. One 282 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.519 of the jobs I have done as an advocate was 283 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:51.039 I would go out to homeless encampments and have to 284 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:56.679 find my people because they were semi homeless or full 285 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.639 on homeless in some cases and one of the things 286 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.240 one of my people had said, please don't come out 287 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.319 here after dark. And I was like, why, I'm I 288 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.440 am this is where you know. I am nero divergent, 289 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.039 I turn off fear. I if I need to be somewhere, 290 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:17.400 I will be there. I just what fear and he 291 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:23.680 said had described that there was a doglike creature that 292 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:28.519 was attacking the homeless. I had multiple homeless people tell 293 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.640 me that, people who were not my clients telling me 294 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:36.559 that who were living in this encampment. That's why, you know, 295 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.319 did it ever make the news? Of course not. Were 296 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.839 there people that went missing? Yes, I have a client 297 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.000 that we haven't found him in eight months. I don't 298 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:52.400 know if he's okay. So that was when you said 299 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.200 the dog man. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know that one. 300 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.680 I've heard that story. I haven't haven't seen it myself, 301 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:00.240 but I have heard about it from enough other that 302 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.680 there's enough people who have seen something like that that 303 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.680 there's something to that. There has to be. 304 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.000 That's where I come back to when you originally had 305 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:16.440 mentioned like shared experiences, A lot of people have experienced 306 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.079 this type of thing. This phenomenon seemed like I said 307 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:24.680 with other cryptos like Bigfoot. Yeah, scientifically they don't exist 308 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.880 at least it's it's never been proven or admitted to 309 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:34.400 or anything about it. But anywhere in just go down 310 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:39.519 the path of science, there's never been an upright humanoid 311 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.599 canine like Biologically, it doesn't make any sort of sense. 312 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.640 And there have been so many reports of this though. 313 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.240 I feel like they've gotten a lot more popular within 314 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.759 the last ten to fifteen years, and I don't know why. 315 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:58.200 I don't know if it's just because more people have 316 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.799 been open about it or without going down the whole 317 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:07.559 even further down the woove factor here, Yeah, is like 318 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.119 an Eggergre type thing. Like people are manifesting these now 319 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.640 because they talk about it so much. Now that's manifested 320 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.880 this image in people's brains to where they see the 321 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.160 things because they hear people talk about it. Now, this 322 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:20.519 thing exists because they manifested it. 323 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.839 That would go under I might say it wrong. I've 324 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.920 only ever seen it written a tulpa. Yeah, So it's 325 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:36.799 like like an entity that the mob creates. And there 326 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.240 is I mean, having studied quite a bit about demonology, 327 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:44.839 I would say amateur demonologist. I do not want to 328 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:50.680 be a professional demonologist. That sounds terrifying. I you know 329 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.319 that if there is any type of entity there, you 330 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.920 have to wonder if the collective mind can shape that 331 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.400 entity and conform that entity. But that that means there 332 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.240 was still something there to begin with. There's some element 333 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.240 of truth deep down even going with that theory. Yeah, well, 334 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.079 and I just went with my clients who were in 335 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:18.559 the homeless encampment. They were scared, and that was where 336 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.640 the one gentleman was saying for me. He was like, police, 337 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:25.440 don't come in here. He was scared for me. I'm 338 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.319 not afraid. I haven't seen this. What are you talking about? 339 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.599 But they were genuinely scared of something. 340 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.119 I feel like a lot of people that are afraid 341 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.440 of it seem That's also something that seemed to be 342 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:43.359 very common I've noticed is some people say these things 343 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.400 feed on fear. So if it is something that has 344 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:51.160 been manifested, is that what it actually is feeding on 345 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:52.039 is the fear of it? 346 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.559 And that's yeah, that goes with that kind of that 347 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:03.440 demonic element or that evil element, because does that element 348 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.160 have an initial shape? That's another question. Does it actually 349 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.440 have a shape or is it taking the shape from 350 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.079 those fears? 351 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:16.519 And from those stories, the werewolf has been in lures 352 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.319 for hundreds of years. Like obviously through Europe they had 353 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.720 all sorts of werewolf things, and even in ancient Egypt 354 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.920 they had a Nubis, which was the god of had 355 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.559 a human body, but it had the dog wolf, jackal head, 356 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.640 whatever you want to call it. Yeah, So there's been 357 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:35.480 depictions of these things for thousands of years now, and 358 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.000 people get upset that you're considering a werewolf and a 359 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:40.279 dog man. I was like, well, does anyone know the difference? 360 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.279 Like Hollywood has said, a werewolf is someone that changes 361 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:46.000 into a wolf. 362 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.319 Vampires originally changed into wolves, though if you read the 363 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:50.680 original Dracula. 364 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:54.759 So who's to say that these original stories though they've 365 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.119 blamed it on a human change into it just because 366 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:00.799 it looked humanoid, and that's I mean. 367 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:04.079 Then you get into like, I don't know as much 368 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:09.240 about those that that lore, but the Native American lore 369 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.480 of the skin walker. I believe skin walkers can change 370 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:13.480 form as well. 371 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:19.359 From what I have, the Navajo tribe were the skin walkers, 372 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:21.640 and then the other ones, they all I think have 373 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:26.240 their own kind of depictations of it. And I found 374 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.680 out here in the cryptid realms, which people like to 375 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.440 refer to everything as skin walkers and it really upsets everybody. 376 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.359 So no, they're very, very different. 377 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.440 Just to clarify, like skin walkers is strictly Navajo not 378 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:40.720 to get eight hundred messages from people telling me that 379 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.240 we're wrong. 380 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.599 Absolutely, and that's why I was saying, I don't know 381 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:46.400 as much about that one. 382 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:51.559 Yeah, but there are shape shifters in different Native American 383 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:54.759 low and throughout history there have been tricksters and shape 384 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:58.519 shifters and all sorts of things. So that is very common. 385 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:04.680 And who's to say if that's to me? I'm very skeptical, 386 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:07.720 Like I say that all the time that I'm a 387 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.160 very skeptical person, and it's hard for me to be 388 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.920 fully invested and believe in everything because I have to 389 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.720 stay grounded. And that's where I struggle at because I 390 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.960 know there is no such thing as dog man. They 391 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.640 don't exist. But yet you've seen something that looks like it. 392 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.119 It's like, so how do you combat that mentally? Well? 393 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.200 And then yeah, and then when you're working with people 394 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.519 who were saying no, I've seen this or no I 395 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:43.319 heard things, and there is a genuine fear there I mean, no, 396 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:46.240 I can't explain that scientifically. Yes, it could all be 397 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.160 in their minds, it could be in their collective mind 398 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.599 I still have to treat that as a very real 399 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.559 thing because they are seeing that as real, and that's 400 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.720 an element of psychology people don't like to delve into 401 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:06.519