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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you very much, thank you, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us today. This is Cliff your host of

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<v Speaker 2>Destiny and today we're finishing up on our conference series.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a speaker that was in the Cosmic Summit

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<v Speaker 2>and we wanted to play the entire interview with this individual.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Mark Young. He is an Australian geo

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<v Speaker 2>archaeologist who specializes in the Younger Driest hypothesis. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk today about the impact of these asteroids

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth over nine five hundred BC, over close to

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<v Speaker 2>twelve thousand years ago. And what makes it an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>interview is that there is a great deal of research

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<v Speaker 2>that is not being publicized on just how devastating this

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<v Speaker 2>impact was. And today we're going to learn not only

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to the North American East Coast and the

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<v Speaker 2>devastation there, but also what likely happened to the human

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<v Speaker 2>population on the planet during that time. Factor we don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know because there's no evidence of human remains, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no grave sites. If you remember, Randall Carlson was very

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<v Speaker 2>specific in saying that the tsunamis that were generated during

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<v Speaker 2>that devastation, during that catastrophe, whereas is you know, half

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<v Speaker 2>a mile or a mile in height, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine the energy behind a tsunami, that would wipe

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<v Speaker 2>clean any surface features on the planet. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>studied tsunamis in Mexico and there are are evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>monstrosities of tsunamis hitting places like the Yucatan, coming in

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<v Speaker 2>as many as four to five miles from the coast

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<v Speaker 2>and just devastating who whoever was on the planet at

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<v Speaker 2>that time, whoever was living in those locations. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most amazing features that I've seen is is

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<v Speaker 2>the ruins of Yukatan. This is one of the areas

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<v Speaker 2>that are very specific in showing the destruction of wave

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<v Speaker 2>and water damage and chicha Ushmol, the Puk Trail, which

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<v Speaker 2>is on the Gulf coast of Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>all were devastated by monstrosities giant giant wave inlet tsunami inlets.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, they came in, came into and devastated

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<v Speaker 2>the landforms. We don't know if these are the biblical

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<v Speaker 2>tsunamis who arrived nine thousand, five hundred years ago, but

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<v Speaker 2>what scientists have now determined is that those areas are

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<v Speaker 2>regularly hit hundreds of thousands of years ago with tsunamis now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the case of a smaller city, Mayan city called Siel,

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<v Speaker 2>that city is buried except for a couple of unique

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<v Speaker 2>buildings and pyramids. In the case of chichen Itza, when

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<v Speaker 2>we look at the archaeological record and we see when

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<v Speaker 2>the universities of the American universities started coming in there

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<v Speaker 2>and excavating, what they found were pyramids and temples that

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<v Speaker 2>were stripped of their outer casing, stones that were covered

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<v Speaker 2>in sand and the sediment from the receding water. There's

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<v Speaker 2>even evidence in chichen Itza of lakes, large lakes that

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<v Speaker 2>were formed in the civic area. The ball court, the largest,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the largest ball courts in the world, is

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<v Speaker 2>located at to Genitsa, and the water receded from those

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<v Speaker 2>central buildings that make up the ball court. The pyramid

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<v Speaker 2>was devastated. Temple of the Warrior, which is right next

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<v Speaker 2>to the El Castillo, which is the main central pyramid,

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<v Speaker 2>is just pushed all over the place. It's it's just amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody talks about this, and it's fascinating and and

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<v Speaker 2>I bring this up in my book The Maya Controversy,

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<v Speaker 2>The Maya Controversy, and it's there's great evidence for tremendous damage.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do have some evidence. What we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>is the skeletal remains of any human beings from that

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<v Speaker 2>far back, and it remains to be seen if we

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<v Speaker 2>ever will have evidence of human remains. We do have

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<v Speaker 2>bone yards of mastodon, saber toothed tiger and other big

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<v Speaker 2>land animals, ice age animals, plesticcene animals that are pushed

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<v Speaker 2>into Canada and to Alaska. So as the water was receding,

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<v Speaker 2>you have these huge, huge boneyards of animals who were

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<v Speaker 2>carried by this water. So we're gonna learn all about

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<v Speaker 2>this today in our program and you'll get a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of just what happened. So today's program is Catastrophe on Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>and my guest is Mark Young. Earth Asians is a

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<v Speaker 2>sponsor of the twenty twenty five Cosmic Summit that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be June twentieth and twenty three. I really enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>that conference. And one of the speakers is our guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Mark Young, and he is coming to

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<v Speaker 2>us from Australia. He is a geo archaeologist. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to ask him in a minute exactly what that means,

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<v Speaker 2>because I haven't heard that definition. But he's also an

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<v Speaker 2>expert in the Younger Driest Impact hypothesis, cosmic impact events,

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<v Speaker 2>and lost civilizations. So he's right in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the Earth Ancients format and I'm looking forward to speaking

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<v Speaker 2>with him. But also I want to remind you if

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<v Speaker 2>you get a chance to get out to North Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>to see this Cosmic Summit, you should check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't, go to the Cosmicsummit dot and go

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<v Speaker 2>to their streaming platform. It's very very very reasonable for

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<v Speaker 2>the full program and sign up because you'll hear people

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<v Speaker 2>like Mark. You'll hear people like Randall Carlson and a

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<v Speaker 2>whole group of other experts talking about ancient civilizations and

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<v Speaker 2>other events in the past. So don't miss it. Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Quiff, it's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the younger Driest impact hypothesis. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>hear about this asteroid hit, we hear about the devastation,

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<v Speaker 2>but what specifically is unique to you about the younger

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<v Speaker 2>Driest impact hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, where do I start.

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<v Speaker 3>So one unique thing is obviously the scale in relation

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<v Speaker 3>to how recently it happened. Certainly it's the largest impact

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<v Speaker 3>within I mean, if we're talking extinctions wise since the dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 3>but also Beckism is quite unique. So rather than one

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<v Speaker 3>big asteroid that came in and destroyed everything, the more

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<v Speaker 3>likely scenario for the younger dryas is a shower or

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<v Speaker 3>a shotgun blast of multiple smaller objects all over the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it may even have been periodically over a

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<v Speaker 3>decade or so, as we passed through a media shower.

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<v Speaker 3>These things come in twice a year if we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the tours, for example, twice a year there would

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<v Speaker 3>be bombardment episodes. So one year could have been in

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<v Speaker 3>North America, the next year South America, or even five

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<v Speaker 3>years apart or whatever. So yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>unique aspects of the younger drys compared to other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the general timeline mark, Well, what would we say.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a it wasn't one day, it wasn't one week.

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<v Speaker 2>It was over a period of years, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Assuming that the platinum stry signature is related to the impact.

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<v Speaker 3>It could have occurred over as maybe as fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how long the platinum took to settle out of

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<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere. It could have it could also have been

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<v Speaker 3>one day, and it's just a lot of custom debris

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<v Speaker 3>flying around. So yeah, and it started about twelve eight

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and seventy or something years ago. That's what we've

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<v Speaker 3>nailed it down to. With the radiocommod dating, there's an

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<v Speaker 3>uncertainty of a couple of dozen years or two.

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<v Speaker 1>And the date.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, this is one of the angles that the critics

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<v Speaker 3>attack is the dating in different parts of the world

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<v Speaker 3>is slightly off by maybe a decade here and there,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's within the uncertainty of radio common dating. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to get much more precise than that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think the official time to spend the common

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<v Speaker 3>research Group proposers is about eight hundred and seventy to

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<v Speaker 3>twelve seven hundred and thirty or something, so within that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I should mention that you are part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic Comment Research Project correct, and that is formed by

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<v Speaker 2>George Howard has a group of people. You you basically

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<v Speaker 2>discovered Georgia and the Cosmic Summit Group through what the

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<v Speaker 2>papers that he was publishing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually.

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<v Speaker 3>So I saw the Joe Rogan podcast for Graham Hancock

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<v Speaker 3>and Ranald Carlson back in twenty seventeen, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>actually inspired me to enroll at university to study this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually reached out to George in late twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I'd noticed that some of the papers on his

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<v Speaker 3>website were out of date. He didn't have all the

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<v Speaker 3>new ones on there. So that's that was the start

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<v Speaker 3>of our professional relationship. And after my after I graduated

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<v Speaker 3>with my bachelor's degrees in twenty twenty one, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was that's when I joined the Comment Research Group officially.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you were granted is it we granted a geo

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<v Speaker 2>archaeology degree under a degree? Or I mean, what is

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<v Speaker 2>a geo archaeologist? And I know the geo does the geology,

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<v Speaker 2>but how does geology and archaeology fit together? And what

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<v Speaker 2>is it? What is it that you're studying because it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a unique title. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, Jay, archaeologists approach archaeology using geo methods. So geology, geomorphology, geochemistry, geophysics,

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<v Speaker 3>all that kind of thing, so ground penetrating, radar, electrical resistivity, tomography,

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<v Speaker 3>geochemistry like icpms and stuff like that. So it's basically

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<v Speaker 3>as a hard science discipline within archaeology. As we know,

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<v Speaker 3>archaeology isn't necessarily a science, per say, there's a reason

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<v Speaker 3>it's in the humanities under the umbrella of the humanities.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, excellent, here's one that I'd love to get

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<v Speaker 2>clarification on. Some people say that the impact was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic, with sporadic impacts into the North American and

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<v Speaker 2>parts of South American region, but up to date data

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<v Speaker 2>has changed. Where would you say the spread of the

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<v Speaker 2>asteroid field hit on Earth?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, So.

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<v Speaker 3>We have about four sites e'spanning the east coast of

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<v Speaker 3>the west coast of South America. There's a whole bunch,

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<v Speaker 3>there's one in Syria, there's a whole bunch throughout Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a couple in Greenland where we've found the platinum

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<v Speaker 3>A normalis up there, and we've also been studying ocean

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<v Speaker 3>cores up there, and there's a few in Canada, but

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<v Speaker 3>the main concentrations of in North America.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's speculated that the Carolina Bays were formed by

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<v Speaker 2>this impact? Is that what your belief is or what

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<v Speaker 2>would you say to that?

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<v Speaker 3>So when I started out in this, I believe that

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<v Speaker 3>it was pretty probable that they were related to the

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<v Speaker 3>younger drivers. But I mean, they're certainly caused by an

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<v Speaker 3>impact event, there's no question about that. But I have

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<v Speaker 3>my doubts now as to whether it was tied to

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<v Speaker 3>the younger drives or not. There are other groups who

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<v Speaker 3>tied to the seven and eight thousand year event that

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<v Speaker 3>created the Australasian tech type field. Yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>one's more likely than the younger dryas And originally a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the Carolina Bay people were on board with

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<v Speaker 3>the younger drives timing for it. But basically it's just

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<v Speaker 3>Antionios the moor now who's an advocate of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, But Mark, is there a ground zero placement

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<v Speaker 2>for perhaps the biggest portion of this impact, perhaps an

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<v Speaker 2>impact crater of significant size.

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<v Speaker 3>For the Carolina besier for the younger drives, just for

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<v Speaker 3>the younger dryers. So when the Hiawatha crat came out

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen, that was very exciting for us. And

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<v Speaker 3>while subsequent studies have dated the impact a much earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's still a possibility that it was related

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<v Speaker 3>to the younger dry ice. Like at the start, it

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<v Speaker 3>probably wasn't one big impact, and if it was, it

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<v Speaker 3>probably occurred into the ice sheet rather than into the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>So I know Ranald Carlson has identified Lake Nipigon as

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<v Speaker 3>a potential site for the young dryas one. I certainly

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<v Speaker 3>think there's something to be said about that. If you

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<v Speaker 3>had an impact into the ice, you wouldn't expect a

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<v Speaker 3>traditional crater on the ground because it would act like

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously no STUDI has actually been done there, so

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, if we the air burst rain theory

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<v Speaker 3>when these things detonate in the atmosphere, they don't really

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<v Speaker 3>leave traditional creators at all.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They the only traces they leave are the microscopic evidence

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<v Speaker 1>So, oh yeah, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you believe was the effect over this period

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<v Speaker 2>of time on the animal life on the play? Randall

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<v Speaker 2>Carlson likes to say approximately eighty percent of the MegaFon

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<v Speaker 2>of the big land animals perished, And we don't really

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<v Speaker 2>there's no documents. There's very rudimentary signatures of a human

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<v Speaker 2>race on the planet. But what is your feeling on

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, certainly the megafauna disappearance is closely tied with

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<v Speaker 3>the young and ris. There have been critics over the

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<v Speaker 3>years they said, oh, well they actually survived a few

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<v Speaker 3>hundred years after the younger rise onset in these particular areas.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that's likely. It's not like the dinosaurs. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one impact in this region and then a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years later you've got another impact in this ragion, it

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<v Speaker 3>creates Well, there's obviously wildfire associated with those impacts, and

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<v Speaker 3>that will cause low sanctions in that era, but that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't that's not going to wipe them off the face

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<v Speaker 3>of the planet. And it's possible that the Clovis people

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<v Speaker 3>also played a part in their extinction, like that's been

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<v Speaker 3>only a few leftover after the impact events, then it

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense that the clothes would hunt them because.

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<v Speaker 1>They're also clinging on to their existence.

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<v Speaker 3>Regarding the human populations, there's quite a bit of evidence

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<v Speaker 3>well over the last few decades actually, but the first

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<v Speaker 3>genetic evidence came out in twenty twenty two to show

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<v Speaker 3>that there was a South American civilization up to nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand years old in South America that disappeared at

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<v Speaker 3>the Younger Drice onset. And there's a lot of archaeological

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<v Speaker 3>sites throughout South America that I have thought to have

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<v Speaker 3>been dated to the price scene and have been I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>heavily criticized and denied, no doubt because of the in

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<v Speaker 3>part at least because of the Clovis first doctrine. But

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a short list of them here, if you'd

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<v Speaker 3>let me read them, give us the names. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>a there's one called Boucarial dead Pedro Ferrada in Brazil

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<v Speaker 3>and the occupation there's thought to date between twenty and

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<v Speaker 3>forty five thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And how sophisticated are the Are these considered hundreds and

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<v Speaker 2>gatherers or are these a little more.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is with these sites is that the lithics

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<v Speaker 3>there aren't anywhere nearest sophisticated as the Clovis relics, which

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<v Speaker 3>is part of the reason why they're denied by the critics.

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<v Speaker 3>One recent study even claims that the lithics there were

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<v Speaker 3>made by Capucin monkeys, but I mean the latest genetic

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<v Speaker 3>evidence from the region says that they weren't. So then

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<v Speaker 3>we have Toka de Tierra Paya in Brazil with evidence

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<v Speaker 3>of occupation at least twenty seven thousand years old, Toko

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<v Speaker 3>Decitio de Mayo site in Brazil thirty five thousand years old,

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<v Speaker 3>the Arroyo delf Vizcaino in Uruguay over thirty thousand years,

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<v Speaker 3>Santa Elena in Brazil twenty thousand years and this next

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<v Speaker 3>site was published in twenty twenty. Chick Wihat Cave in

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico with occupation twenty six thousand years and as early

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<v Speaker 3>as thirty three, and this made worldwide headlines because one,

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<v Speaker 3>the teams that were doing it were quite well respected,

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<v Speaker 3>and two, well, it's obviously quite groundbreaking in its age.

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<v Speaker 3>And initially the Monteverde site in Chile was dated to

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<v Speaker 3>about eighteen thousand and five hundred, but that was revised

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<v Speaker 3>down after years of criticism. And obviously now in North

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<v Speaker 3>America we have the White Sands footprints which are twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four thousand years old, and that's beyond any.

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<v Speaker 1>Doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they've gone back and tested. So originally they had

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<v Speaker 3>issues with the dating method, but they've gone back and

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<v Speaker 3>used like three different methods now and they've all come

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<v Speaker 3>out at twenty four thousand, so we know that people

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<v Speaker 3>were there twenty four thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Are any of these people building temples? Are we looking

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<v Speaker 2>at foundations or are we discovering them with simple pictroglyphs

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<v Speaker 2>on cave walls and rudimentary tools.

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<v Speaker 3>So the sites are listed, there's no real structures associated

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<v Speaker 3>with them. They're more likely just campsites. Most of the

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<v Speaker 3>evidence is, let's see, not particularly strong. So we've got

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<v Speaker 3>hearths or campsite campfires, we've got rudimentary lithics, we've got

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<v Speaker 3>like animal remains mixed in and stuff like that. So,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is why they're not very well accepted, because

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<v Speaker 3>where's the structures, where's the unambiguous close points for example?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so the civilization there was probably quite rudimentary.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean that doesn't mean anything, right because if

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<v Speaker 3>they were advanced, like in a Graham Handcock Atlantis sense,

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<v Speaker 3>then wouldn't it make sense that subsequent people have come

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<v Speaker 3>in there and salvaged and and scavenged all the like

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<v Speaker 3>the metals there for example. Yeah, I mean most measure

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<v Speaker 3>from the wrong period and the Greek period has been

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<v Speaker 3>salvaged and reforged over time to make weapons for war

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<v Speaker 3>and things like this, Like any sort of valuable material

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<v Speaker 3>is always picked up by sus and occupations.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped you as you were completing that list. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you finish?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so? Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently was speaking to doctor Richard Hansen, who's excavating

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<v Speaker 2>El Miodor. He's one of the foremost Mayanists in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and he recently mentioned that there were two phases to

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<v Speaker 2>the Maya. There was a very early phase that stopped

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<v Speaker 2>approximately two thousand years ago, but they don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>when the inception date is. And the curious thing about this, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is that their pyramids in Guatemala are the largest in

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<v Speaker 2>the Americas and the most sophisticated. So this very very

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<v Speaker 2>early people was building and engineering monstrosities in since rule

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<v Speaker 2>in South America. And I'm curious, is it possible that

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<v Speaker 2>we've got our dates wrong and that these earlier Maya

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<v Speaker 2>that were wiped out may have been part of this

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<v Speaker 2>younger driest impact hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 3>Personally, I wouldn't really point to the Maya as dating

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<v Speaker 3>back that far. But you really don't need the Maya

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<v Speaker 3>because the Maya, their structures and their architecture is completely

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<v Speaker 3>different to what Graham Hancock and others have said have

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<v Speaker 3>pointed to. I think it's called Han and Patcha or

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<v Speaker 3>the Cyclopean architecture at sucks Aquaman and other sites like that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's clearly two stages of industry there. And if I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>for argument's sake, all those sites that I listed off,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe those people were the builders of these sites, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they were part of.

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<v Speaker 1>The global civilization that Graham Hancock advocates for.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean because the Cyclopean architecture is found all

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<v Speaker 3>over the world, Easter Island, Europe, South.

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<v Speaker 1>America, and so if this, if these sites and these people.

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<v Speaker 3>A coincident with those constructions, and let's face more than

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<v Speaker 3>likely pretty younger Driers, those Cyclopian architecture, because they've there's

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<v Speaker 3>been no other catastrophe since the Younger Driers that would

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<v Speaker 3>be capable of wiping them out, especially on a world

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<v Speaker 3>wide level.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we're going to take a short commercial break

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<v Speaker 2>to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will

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<v Speaker 2>return shortly with my guest today, Mark Young, describing the

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<v Speaker 2>Younger Driest hypothesis and what actually happened to Earth over

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand years ago. Will be right back. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>today is Australian geo archaeologist Mark Young. He's coming to

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<v Speaker 2>us from Australia and we're learning just what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>the Earth during the cataclysmic period of nine five hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the Ice Age. So what would you

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<v Speaker 2>say to those who advocate for Atlantis being destroyed around

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<v Speaker 2>this period of time. I mean we're talking Hancock and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps John Anthony West and a number of authors and

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<v Speaker 2>researchers who have come before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, the Plato's timing for Atlanta has coincided directly

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<v Speaker 3>with the end of the Young Andreas and there was

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<v Speaker 3>a serious rise in same levels around that time. So

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<v Speaker 3>from a science perspective, there's certain summer suggestion of validity

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<v Speaker 3>that obviously the archaeologists will say, show me the butt

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<v Speaker 3>shows and stuff like that. But we're talking about a cataclysm,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're talking about a sea level as like ninety

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the what global population lives within a few

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<v Speaker 3>kilometers of the coastline right or along rivers, and so

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<v Speaker 3>level rise of one hundred and fifty feet one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty meters or four hundred feet that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>erase almost all evidence of any civilization I was living there.

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<v Speaker 3>So and people say, oh, well, we've done archaeology on

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<v Speaker 3>the coastal shelves and it's like, you can't dive to

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred feet very easily, Like it's very difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>dive that far.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's I don't find it convincing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's certainly room for an Atlantis, And people

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<v Speaker 3>like Flint Debil who claim there's there's no evidence at

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<v Speaker 3>all for Atlantis, they're just lying because there's a lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, it's just not the kind of evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that archaeologists tend to deal in. Why why is there

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<v Speaker 3>evidence tangential evidence?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What why is there so much resistance to younger driest

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like there's a certain body of scientists that

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<v Speaker 2>are actually uh evaluating the possibilities and finding solid evidence

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<v Speaker 2>for an impact event, and then there's a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>that are trying to write it off. Why Why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that's the way it is?

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<v Speaker 3>That could be any number of reasons. Really, one thing

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<v Speaker 3>would be that they don't want it to be true,

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<v Speaker 3>because that would mean them have been wrong our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>One one thing that I kind of via awards is

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<v Speaker 3>that they've actually found Atlantis and they don't want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to hold the secrets for themselves. And there

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<v Speaker 3>could be any number of reasons for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Zahi Juas and Edgar Casey zahij PhD was funded by

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<v Speaker 3>the Casey Foundation, and there if they did find the

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Records, they wouldn't share it with everyone because

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<v Speaker 3>what if it if what if the Hall of Records

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<v Speaker 3>told us about an impending younger drives to Bueno in

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<v Speaker 3>our near future? They wouldn't They wouldn't reveal that because

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<v Speaker 3>that would cause global panic hm HM and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean there could be any number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it interesting that you say that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's when I when I discovered the toward meteor stream,

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<v Speaker 2>I was perplexed that we hadn't known that much about

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<v Speaker 2>it before. But apparently our cosmos, Earth specifically goes through

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<v Speaker 2>it every two.

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<v Speaker 1>Years and twice a year every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it twice a year? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, light journ and early light October early November.

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<v Speaker 2>And is there a speculation among cosmologists that Earth has

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<v Speaker 2>been impacted in previous times during these yeah pass throughs,

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<v Speaker 2>or is it unique to just this younger driest event.

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<v Speaker 3>So if the tord theory is correct, then it stands

421
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 3>to raise them that it has happened in the past.

422
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 3>And who knows the severity of those kind of things.

423
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 3>There are specs of evidence here and there. The car

424
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Research Group has published a paper on a few impacts

425
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>that happened between thirty and fifty thousand years ago. So

426
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.320
<v Speaker 3>have you heard about John Reeves and the boneyard in

427
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Alaska and the Siberian.

428
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So.

429
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 3>The current research group studied a boneyard deposit in Siberia

430
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 3>and they were finding impact sperials within the skulls of

431
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 3>these animals. And I don't know if you know the

432
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 3>story of how George Howard became the cosmic.

433
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Task, no targ about it.

434
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 3>They were finding tasks, mammoth tasks that had meteoric material

435
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 3>embedded in them. So if you imagine this air burst explosion,

436
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 3>it's like a shotgun blast of meteoric material that affected

437
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 3>these mammoths directly.

438
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

439
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 3>And so the CRG in that paper twenty seventeen, I

440
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 3>think it was Hag's and the Biblio.

441
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>They theorized that these these.

442
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Animals were all in placed catastrophically by by impact events.

443
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 3>And it makes sense, right, because some of these animals

444
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 3>are flash frozen, like you've got entire mammoths fresh flash

445
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 3>frozen still with still with their daisies in their mouth

446
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 3>and there in the stomach like these things, and that

447
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 3>the bottom the the their legs are broken, and they

448
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 3>were some of them had erections which means they were asphyxiated,

449
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 3>but they were buried alive. And so there's unquestionably been

450
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 3>catastrophic events. And by the very nature of or media

451
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 3>austream and how how it functions early on in its

452
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 3>us to the large objects, right, and over time, those

453
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>large objects just integrating into smaller and smaller hierarchically. And

454
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 3>so the idea is that it entered the Solar System

455
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 3>about twenty thirty years ago, so about twelve years ago,

456
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 3>it's about halfway through it's disintegration compared to today.

457
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that we're not getting more information

458
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 2>about this tored meteor stream. It seems like if the

459
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 2>powers would be new that a period of time we've

460
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>had terminating events or near terminating events, they would want

461
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 2>to set up some kind of a system, you know,

462
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 2>perhaps aiming rockets to deflect meteors and other large obstacles

463
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that would impact the planet.

464
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

465
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Well recently we had the NASA DOT mission right where

466
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 3>they intercepted on an asteroid and nod sho it off course.

467
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 3>And so maybe the reason they're doing that is because

468
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 3>they know something's coming, or maybe that is doing it

469
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 3>because I can.

470
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>M funny, Hey, I'm curious. I just discovered about a

471
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>year ago the black mat this ash layer that's located

472
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>in different parts of the planet. Talk about that and

473
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>why it's so important in understanding this impact event.

474
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so just to clarify, the black matt isn't really

475
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 3>an ash layer. There are some sites with a high

476
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 3>concentration of ash, but it's mainly decomposed vegetation material. So

477
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 3>if you picture this impact event comes in, it decimates

478
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 3>the landscape. The black matter is representing the off of

479
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 3>that where it's coal and damp and swampy everywhere.

480
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>And the impact.

481
00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Proxy is are found in direct contact with the bottom

482
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 3>of the black mat not within it really, And so

483
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 3>we've got this lapjector followed by the black mat and

484
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>the black matte contains the last rece of the megafauna.

485
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Megafauna has never been found above the black matt, only

486
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 3>within it or below it.

487
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 2>So hmm, And where do we find the most evidence

488
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>of black mat? Is it through North America? Europe?

489
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Where are they?

490
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Where is it most prominent? Yeah?

491
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So North America?

492
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 3>North America's North America is the main continent where it's found.

493
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 3>There's more than sixty sites across North America where it manifests.

494
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 3>In Europe there's a similar black mate it's called the

495
00:38:56.280 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 3>Oscelo Horizon. Critics of day it to like fourteen thousand

496
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>years ago, but there's some good evidence that it actually

497
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 3>correlates with the younger drys boundary. So obviously at one

498
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 3>side it contains nanodiamonds, right, So, and nanodiamonds have only

499
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 3>been found in the younger drice boundary layer, no other

500
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 3>layers above or below, And so there's reason to believe

501
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 3>that whatever the site formation conditions are over there, for

502
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, it gives off.

503
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>A different date.

504
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 3>And I mean in some cases it is directly dated

505
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 3>to the and drives, but in other places it's a

506
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:43.400
<v Speaker 3>little bit off.

507
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So, and you mentioned nanodamonds, that comes up a lot

508
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to these comet hits. Describe a nanodama. Basically,

509
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it's an exploded hunk of very hard rock, right.

510
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's a piece of carbon carbon materials that have

511
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 3>been found in Okay, So earlier on critics claimed that

512
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 3>the carbon dispherials that nanodims were being found in would

513
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 3>just bug poop, right, And so obviously bugs don't poop nanodiamonds.

514
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>But even if they did, that just means that even

515
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 3>if it was bug poop, I mean, that just means

516
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>that the bob prope was on a surface when the

517
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>impact affected it and created diamonds within it. So the

518
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Nanodiamonds are mainly found in carbon s ferials. They're also

519
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 3>found in the glass like carbon proxies that we find,

520
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and they.

521
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Occur during high temperature, high pressure events mainly.

522
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.079
<v Speaker 3>There's also another method called chemical vapor position. So if

523
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 3>we imagine that the impact event vaporized this carbon material

524
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 3>as it calls its, it condenses and settles on an object.

525
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 1>And they can be produced that way. Hmm. So there's

526
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a there's a couple of different methods to produce them.

527
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Some critics have claimed they form in wildfires, but there's

528
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 3>no wildfire ever recorded that produces temperatures high enough to

529
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 3>make that, and there's no nanodiamonds found in any other layers. Like,

530
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 3>there's been tests all the way from before the Younger

531
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Drives through to modern times and there's no nanodiamonds anywhere else.

532
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 3>It's only the Younger Drives boundary until you get to

533
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 3>about two hundred years ago. Because obviously modern processes can

534
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 3>manufacture these things. You can make him in a lab

535
00:41:56.199 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 3>for example, and they're they kept. They're often used for

536
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.599
<v Speaker 3>polishing and stuff like because obviously their diamonds are very hard.

537
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 3>So if you make a diamond paste, there's going to

538
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 3>be nanodiamonds in there, and so in modern sections they

539
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 3>are there, but once you get older than a few

540
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 3>hundred years, there's nothing until the younger dryers.

541
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<v Speaker 2>So then, okay, are they found in ice corey at all?

542
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>So this is difficult. So in twenty two thousand and nine.

543
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 3>There was a PPS Nova documentary about finding nanodiamonds in

544
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 3>the Greenland ice and so they sent out this team.

545
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.000
<v Speaker 3>They recovered ice from the younger dryers layer and they

546
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 3>looked in there for nanodiamonds and they they found them

547
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 3>in high concentrations. However, that data critics have recently been

548
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 3>attacking this thing, and even back in the day, shortly

549
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 3>after the documentary came out, predicts were writing to BBS saying,

550
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>this is fraud.

551
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 1>You need to take it off the air.

552
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>And actually the executives caved and they took the documentary

553
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 3>off the air. It's called Magabe's Sudden Death. You can

554
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 3>still be viewed on YouTube, but you can't view on

555
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 3>BBS anymore. And so, assuming that it wasn't fraud, which

556
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 3>it certainly wasn't, there have been no time is found

557
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 3>in the ice sheet. But it's not something that I

558
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 3>would use as unequivocal evidence, because I mean, it's TV, right,

559
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 3>so who knows what happened behind the scenes. I certainly

560
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 3>would never accuse anyone in the comment research group of

561
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 3>fabricating this stuff, but there are questions at it.

562
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>That's all I'll say on that.

563
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 2>What was the name again, Mark?

564
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 1>You can find it on YouTube, Mega based Sudden Death.

565
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Megabass Sudden Death. Yeah, okay, thank you for that. That

566
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 2>goes gets into my next question, which is the melting

567
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of the ice caps and the glacier snow during this impact.

568
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>The big thought is that there was a massive flood,

569
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>but you say otherwise, You say there was not a

570
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>massive flood, You say there were perhaps a regional flooding.

571
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Talk about that a little bit.

572
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 3>So when people like Graham Hancock and Ranald Carlson have

573
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 3>talked about this on podcasts, they they often declaim that,

574
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 3>not directly, but they imply that the four hundred feate

575
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 3>rise and say level happened or not, And that's not

576
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 3>the case at all. It happened over a few thousand

577
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 3>years off at the end of the ice side. However,

578
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 3>at the Younger drives onset, there is a global sea

579
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 3>level rise about five meters.

580
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>And that is very.

581
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Significant volumes of water entering the oceans in a very

582
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:23.719
<v Speaker 3>short time. And so, and there's obviously Lake Agacy. For decades,

583
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 3>there's been an arguments over when Lake Agacy drained and

584
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 3>the route that it drained. So there's they've identified three

585
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 3>different routes that it could have drained from, and the

586
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 3>most recent studies that it drained at the start of

587
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 3>the Younger drives, but all of them disagree as to

588
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 3>which route it was at which time, right, But I

589
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 3>think the more likely explanation for that is that there

590
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 3>was an impact into the ice sheet and that released

591
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.679
<v Speaker 3>a crap ton of melt water flowed off of the

592
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 3>ice sheet into La Gagacity, and it drained through all

593
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 3>three of those routes at the same time.

594
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 2>HM.

595
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 3>And obviously there's a significant Heinrich event at the time

596
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 3>of the andres, which means that there was lots of

597
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 3>ice bergs and chunks of the ice sheet that flowed

598
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 3>off of the ice sheet and dropped debris out in

599
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 3>the ocean.

600
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 2>And so.

601
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean the most likely scenario, I mean, obviously, if

602
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 3>an impact occurd into the ice sheet is going to

603
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:44.639
<v Speaker 3>throw throw off a lot of meltwater, and it'll break

604
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:52.159
<v Speaker 3>up large portions of it, right, And yeah, there's not.

605
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>A whole lot of.

606
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Incontrovertial evidence for the but yeah, I think that's quite likely.

607
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 2>So there's no areas that you or any other scientists

608
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 2>have discovered where there were some of these meteors were

609
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 2>impacting the ocean and causing tsunami like events, covering land

610
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>formed miles inland.

611
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 3>It's difficult because obviously, if it impacts in the ocean,

612
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 3>the crater's on the bottom of the ocean, so it's

613
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 3>very difficult to find. There have been various claims of

614
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 3>megazinan armies, but there's not much evidence to support it,

615
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 3>at least on the land. But we have to remember

616
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 3>says were one hundred and fiftys or four hundred feet

617
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.440
<v Speaker 3>lower then, so if that wasn't megazoon army, the gurins

618
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 3>or the chevrons that are produced are underwater now, right.

619
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 3>And even harder than finding a crater on the bottom

620
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 3>of the ocean is dating that crater.

621
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Right.

622
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can.

623
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 3>You can find all the creatives you want, but you're

624
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 3>going to date them, you need you need to drill

625
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 3>them specifically and look for evidence within them.

626
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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our

627
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 2>sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with

628
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.079
<v Speaker 2>my guest today, Mark Young, discussing the Younger Driest impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be right back. H m m m. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>today is Australian geo archaeologist Mark Young. He is describing

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<v Speaker 2>what we know about this devastating event that happened nine

632
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<v Speaker 2>five hundred BC, approximately twelve thousand years ago, and the

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<v Speaker 2>destruction throughout the Earth. Talk about the changes in vegetation

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<v Speaker 2>before and after the Younger drives. It kind of indicates

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<v Speaker 2>this world white event.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so if you look at the Greenland temperature data,

637
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<v Speaker 3>it shows lots of spikes up and down, but overall

638
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<v Speaker 3>there's a big trend of ice age and then slowly

639
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<v Speaker 3>rising into the whole scene. But the Younger dryers interrupts

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<v Speaker 3>this gradual curve, right, So rather than a nice smooth

641
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<v Speaker 3>curve like that, it goes like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and down, and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one of the indications that something catastrophic happened there,

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<v Speaker 3>right Because obviously you've got all these oscillations further down

645
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<v Speaker 3>the line during the ice age, but they're nowhere near

646
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<v Speaker 3>comparable to what happened at the Younger Dryers, and so

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<v Speaker 3>obviously before the younger drys you've got fifty different genera

648
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<v Speaker 3>megafauna roaming the earth that aren't there.

649
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Afterwards, you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>And interestingly, right, so if you look at the temperature

651
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<v Speaker 3>data for previous integrationis like what we're in now. They

652
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<v Speaker 3>don't look anything like the whole scene. The whole scene

653
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<v Speaker 3>is very staable. It's only tiny little oscillations in temperature

654
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<v Speaker 3>all throughout, and that's not what happened in the previous ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the previous ones are still interrupted by major spikes

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<v Speaker 3>in oscillations. So I mean there's a number of unique

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<v Speaker 3>components that I talked about in that twenty twenty three

658
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<v Speaker 3>lecture at the Cosmic Summit, like the methane concentrations.

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<v Speaker 1>And stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So not only that vegetation patterns were very different before

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<v Speaker 3>the young Arson. Afterwards I showed him presentation the dynamics

662
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<v Speaker 3>between grasslands and woodlands and pine forests and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>They've changed dramatically, very quickly, and that's not something you

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<v Speaker 3>see in previous events either.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the geologists commenting on this change when they look

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<v Speaker 2>back historically to various activities that are coming from outer

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<v Speaker 2>space and impacting the Earth. Do they even comment on

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<v Speaker 2>that or do they not comment on it?

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<v Speaker 3>So, actually geologists are often the most accepting of the

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<v Speaker 3>young and dress impact geochemical proxies, and they say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's obviously an impact. It's mainly most of the pushback

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00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 3>comes from archaeologists. Did that come through clearly?

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00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 1>I was having you went off for a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you repeat what you just said?

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<v Speaker 3>So geologists are actually the most accepting of the young

676
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<v Speaker 3>dry stuff. It's mainly archaeologists that have a problem with it.

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<v Speaker 3>And like a geologist can look at these impact proxies

678
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>and say, yeah, like they can't have been caused by

679
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<v Speaker 3>anything else unless you're saying that those that I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a catch twenty two. Right, So these

681
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<v Speaker 3>proxies been produced by a high technology civilization, but the

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<v Speaker 3>assumption of archaeologists is that there was no such civilization then.

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<v Speaker 3>So assuming there was no such civilization, then they can

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<v Speaker 3>only have been caused by an impact event.

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<v Speaker 2>M funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've got melting temperatures that are not up

687
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<v Speaker 3>for debate, Like melted quartz needs two one hundred degrees

688
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:14.320
<v Speaker 3>to melt it and volcanoes can't do that. The only

689
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 3>thing that can do that is modern technology and an

690
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 3>impact event, which is part of why some of the

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00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 3>critics course or frauds, like they claim that everything that

692
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 3>we show us fraud and that we sprinkle it in

693
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 3>the sample ourselves, and it's like, no, that's not possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe in the first coup of years when only a

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00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 3>handful of scientists had looked at this stuff, but there's

696
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<v Speaker 3>dozens of papers with samples that have never passed through

697
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 3>the hands of any common research group member. And so

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00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 3>what they're suggesting in that case is that there's a

699
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<v Speaker 3>global conspiracy between well respected scientists to manufacture this evidence,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's simply not.

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<v Speaker 2>So this worldwide that conspiracy is. Uh. Is this the

703
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<v Speaker 2>excuse for not acknowledging your work.

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<v Speaker 1>More or less?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the critics, like Mopov's little and stuff

706
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 3>like that, they just say, oh, that's a fraudulent don't.

707
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Worry about that. But it's just not as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about in our time that

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<v Speaker 2>we have remaining, when we look at places like go Beckley, Teppee,

710
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<v Speaker 2>Carahan Teppe, perhaps some of these underground seats like Darren

711
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Kuru and Turkey. It looks like they're reboot centers where

712
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>someone's trying to show people how to farm or animal

713
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<v Speaker 2>husbandry or begin looking at the cosmological cycles. What would

714
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 2>you say about that? Would you believe? Would you? Would

715
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<v Speaker 2>you have a feeling that they are recovery outlets for

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00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 2>people that have survived these impact events.

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<v Speaker 3>See this always makes me laugh because the archaeologists say, oh,

718
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 3>there's no evidence of a lot of civilization anywhere, but

719
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<v Speaker 3>they've just they've discovered all these sites dating to exactly

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<v Speaker 3>when they're supposed to be dated. Right, So twenty years

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00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 3>ago they didn't know and they would have said these

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<v Speaker 3>things don't exist, but now they do. And there's good

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00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.440
<v Speaker 3>evidence that Go Back to Tape is much older than

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00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 3>they've dated it too, right, Yeah, not only because some

725
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 3>of the pillars are inserted into walls, Like there's walls

726
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 3>built up around them that cover up the carvings, and

727
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 3>so that t pillar was taken from somewhere else and

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<v Speaker 3>reused in the construction of Go Back to Tape.

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<v Speaker 1>And regarding the specific question about.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of re civilization, potentially, I don't know if there's

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00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 3>good evidence to suggest that, but there's certainly not good

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00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 3>evidence to deny it. And I mean, like I just said,

733
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 3>those pillars have been reused from somewhere. Maybe the original

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<v Speaker 3>site that they were reused from was older, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>come in after the cataclysm.

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<v Speaker 1>They've rebuilt these sites and they've restarted who knows. Ochaeoltists

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. They can't say that, they can't say that

738
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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's still a huge mystery as to the function.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks like, given not only the date but

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<v Speaker 2>just what they have found so far, that they were

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<v Speaker 2>educational centers of some kind. Are there other hints and

743
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<v Speaker 2>some similar sites that you've discovered in any other parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the world, Not that.

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00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm particularly aware of, m not that come to mind.

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00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.119
<v Speaker 1>At least I'm sure there are some.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we talked about earlier about the Cyclopean architecture,

748
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 3>so obviously sites with the Cyclopean architecture below and more

749
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 3>modern architecture above, they will have been repurposed, We'll reoccupied

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<v Speaker 3>over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't really think of anther than that.

752
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<v Speaker 2>We opened the show with you talking about a number

753
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:48.519
<v Speaker 2>of civilizations that have been found up and down the Americas.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe or have any sense of a sophisticated hierarchy,

755
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 2>a civilization like an Atlantis, like a Moria, uh, existing

756
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 2>in other parts of the of the planet, And where

757
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<v Speaker 2>would they be?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously in Europe, I mean the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got go We've got the tapes, right, there's a

760
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<v Speaker 3>few of them. Now. Obviously on Easter Island you've got

761
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Cyclopean architecture there. I don't I haven't really looked into

762
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Malta too much, but you've got similar architecture on Malta.

763
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<v Speaker 3>There's there's at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. There's

764
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<v Speaker 3>actually standing stones there with hole drilled in them. So,

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00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, unless they fell off a boat and landed

766
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<v Speaker 3>up right in the in the grounds, they were certainly

767
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 3>there before the mad Sea flooded, right. So, and there's

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00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Speaker 3>been stone circles found in the bottom of Lake Michigan

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<v Speaker 3>as well, I believe. I mean, there's all sorts of

770
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 3>potential locations, but obviously it's all very thin evidence, like

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<v Speaker 3>there's no archaeological evidence other than the structures itself. And

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I I mean, we've got Gunang Padang in

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<v Speaker 3>Indonesia as well, which I am convinced, despite the pushbacks

774
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:33.480
<v Speaker 3>from archaeologists, I'm convinced that there was humans living there

775
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 3>twenty five thousand years ago and the site was built

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01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 3>as a megalithic site. You can argue over whether it's

777
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:47.000
<v Speaker 3>a pyramid or not, but it's certainly pyramidal. And at

778
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the lowest level that's been dated about twenty six thousand

779
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.599
<v Speaker 3>years ago is whether the artifacts have been found, the

780
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Kujang Stone among chief among them.

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01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's the big problem with Canon Penang is the

782
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.920
<v Speaker 2>fact that it's been carbon did it? It's such an

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01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.000
<v Speaker 2>ancient period, a very old time. Why do archaeologists have

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01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.559
<v Speaker 2>such a problem with that, I mean because they just

785
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 2>are all over Danny Hillman about that, the geologists who

786
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.079
<v Speaker 2>found and excavated that site.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because it's a bold client really and the dating

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01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.440
<v Speaker 3>isn't direct dating of archaeological material. They've they've drilled core

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01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:31.079
<v Speaker 3>samples and the core samples and they've dated that material.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm just arguing, well, that's not enough to

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01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.239
<v Speaker 3>say that this was occupied back then. But there's a

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01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of archaeology that's been done on the exact same

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01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 3>type of dating, and the fact that that Tedding was

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01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:48.800
<v Speaker 3>done on core samples rather than archaeological material, is almost

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01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.639
<v Speaker 3>the entire basis for its retraction, and so if they

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01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 3>want to retract articles for that, then they're going to

797
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 3>have to attract hundreds more.

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01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:58.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you look at the Kujang stone that's taken

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<v Speaker 3>from the interface between the two lowers layers, it's very

801
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 3>clearly an artifacts that is not natural.

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01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't if any archaeologist looks.

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01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:13.960
<v Speaker 3>At that and tells you it's natural, never believe anything

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01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 3>they say because they're not interested in the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Hey, Mark, has been fun talking with you. You're

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01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be physically at the Cosmic Summit in June.

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01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you be flying to North Carolina?

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01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.239
<v Speaker 2>It was the title of your talk.

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01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.159
<v Speaker 3>That's to be determined. I still haven't fully several on

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01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 3>what I'm going to represent him, but it'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be Younger drivest related. It might be a hybrid

813
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.199
<v Speaker 3>of the latest research in combination with a bunch of

814
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 3>stuff about the critics, because since the Handcock dibbled about,

815
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.119
<v Speaker 3>the critics have really stepped it up a notch. And

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01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 3>obviously I might present some of that scientific fraud that

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01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 3>I discovered published a discredit the Younger Dry. So i'll

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01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:05.840
<v Speaker 3>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk a little bit about what you have determined and

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01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:12.920
<v Speaker 2>called scientific friued.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically, give us some examples.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, a bunch of critics published a paper from

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<v Speaker 3>Hall's Cave and they stated in the paper that the

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01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 3>geochemical evidence from the Young Dry's boundary was caused by volcanism.

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<v Speaker 3>But what they did is they collected all this data,

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01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.760
<v Speaker 3>they used very shoddy methods, but that's neither here nor there.

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<v Speaker 3>And what they did is when they found that one

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<v Speaker 3>of the samples came back with a major platinum normally

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01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.920
<v Speaker 3>like the rest of the young Dry sites, they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we better not include that in our paper. We better

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<v Speaker 3>delete that sample because we want to say the younger

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<v Speaker 3>drives occurs above that m So, their younger driss occurs

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<v Speaker 3>at one fifty one centimeters in the in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the strata, but the sample directly below that, at one

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<v Speaker 3>fifty three centimeters has the platinum spike at the young

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<v Speaker 3>dryas So in order to claim that their samples up

838
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.079
<v Speaker 3>here are the younger drives, they had to delete this

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01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.519
<v Speaker 3>sample because they couldn't claim that if they hadn't deleted this,

840
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 3>and so a co author who was originally on the

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01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.159
<v Speaker 3>paper but pulled his name off after they submitted it,

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<v Speaker 3>he sent me the original data that they had in

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<v Speaker 3>the paper, and that's how we know they deleted it,

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<v Speaker 3>because the paper that's published doesn't have that sample in

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<v Speaker 3>it anyway, there's no mention of it. But that sample

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<v Speaker 3>single handedly disproves their entire conclusions. They can't claim anything

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<v Speaker 3>they claim unless they delete that sample.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, So are you going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>one that outs them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been on a couple of costs talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it in depth. I'm gonna present in depth at the

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<v Speaker 3>Cosmic Summit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So those of you listening either get yourself

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<v Speaker 2>out to North Carolina or listen to Mark on the

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<v Speaker 2>streaming program. By the way, it's seventy five dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>the entire program Saturday Sunday, and I think there's some

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<v Speaker 2>other programs on Monday the twentieth through the twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty third. I think Randall Carlson is doing a

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<v Speaker 2>special presentation on Monday and a couple of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>So the streaming price seventy five bucks for the whole

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<v Speaker 2>weekend is very very reasonable. And by the way, if

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<v Speaker 2>you do not make those specific presentations, they're catalogued and

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<v Speaker 2>stored for you to look at at your leisure, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a very very fun and great benefit because we

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<v Speaker 2>all live in different parts of the world and we

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<v Speaker 2>can't be up at the actual time with the presentation.

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<v Speaker 2>So consider that cosmic sentiment dot com. Go to the

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<v Speaker 2>button on top and look for streaming and check it

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<v Speaker 2>out and make sure to see Mark Young his presentation.

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<v Speaker 2>What dare you speaking, Mark, Saturday, Sunday or Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the Saturday, I believe in the morning before lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, excellent, so wonderful, Mark Young, geo Archaeologists. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for joining me. A real pleasure, and I expect at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, when you recover from all your discoveries that

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<v Speaker 2>you produce a book. Fella.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've written basically a thesis length article on Graham

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<v Speaker 3>Hancock flipsode, but it's about fifty sixty thousand loads going

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<v Speaker 3>out of all the different aspects of the.

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<v Speaker 1>So I might adapt that and publish it. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any number of things I could write about? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>writing technically on the college at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it takes time and energy. So hey, I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you joining us, and I hope your show is

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<v Speaker 2>filled with people, and uh, let's have you back again.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, Cliff looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to mention that you can still see and

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<v Speaker 2>hear the speakers from the Cosmic Summit by going to

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic Summing Summit dot com and you can download Mark's presentation.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also download Randall, Carlson, Ben Van Kirkwick, Bob Shock,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Shock and all the presentations there and again them

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that they're only charging fifty bucks for

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<v Speaker 2>the whole package, and it's a good deal. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to support the conferences like con like Cosmic Summit because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they are offering us a good idea about

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the world of geology, archaeology, anthropology

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. So good to have Mark on the program. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to mention Earth Ancients does tours. Our tours

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this program. I want to think my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, Mark Young, coming to us from Australia. As always,

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<v Speaker 2>the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and Faya are

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<v Speaker 2>Pakistani video expert. You guys rock, you really do all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care of you well and we will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you next time.