WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.000 All right, let's get at drive time Friday afternoon, nine 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.759 minutes past the hour or two o'clock. No surprise, it 3 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.160 has been a really warm weather cycle, unseasonably warm this 4 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:13.919 week and it continues today. It is ninety two degrees 5 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:18.239 and sunny outside here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:23.120 right outside of our Broadway Media Studios. Happy Friday to you. Congratulations, 7 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.000 you made it. It is time for the weekend. Take 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.839 a big, old deep breath. It is Friday time. 9 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:29.039 A lot to do. 10 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:32.359 Spence checkets behind the mic, Porter Larson beyond the glass 11 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.479 on this Friday afternoon, producing the show, booking the show, 12 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.000 and we have got a ton to get to on 13 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.320 this Friday edition of the program. Thank you so much 14 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.039 for making us a part of your day, and a 15 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.079 very happy weekend to you. It is game day in 16 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.079 the world of professional basketball, and it is a massive 17 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:52.000 game at Gainesbridge Field House in Indianapolis, Indiana, where the 18 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.320 Indiana Pacers will attempt to take a three to one 19 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.719 lead over the Oklahoma City Thunder who are a massive 20 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.159 favorite to win the series still and a favorite to 21 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:04.439 win the game tonight. Rick Carlisle spoke about that today 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.359 during his media availability that there'll be a underdog in 23 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.000 every game, and of course they're a massive underdog in 24 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:13.480 this series still even though they're up to one. 25 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.079 We'll get you ready for the game tonight. 26 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.400 We'll talk a little NBA basketball on the program and 27 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:20.120 get you ready for this big game that is at 28 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:24.480 six thirty Mountain time television coverage on ABC radio coverage 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.439 right here on your home of the NBA Finals in 30 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.640 saut Lake City in the surrounding area ESPN seven hundred, 31 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.959 So preview the game, get you ready for a massive, 32 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.319 massive matchup, look at it from both sides, and get 33 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.120 you ready for OKC Indiana. The battle for Lord Stanley's 34 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.319 Cup rolled on last night with another unbelievable hockey game 35 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.599 that saw Edmonton in overtime get the win, and once 36 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.000 again we are even. This was an awesome series last year, 37 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.439 it's shaping up to be an awesome series this year. 38 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.239 Through four games, these two teams have scored thirty two goals, 39 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:03.840 which is the in the history professional hockey of in 40 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.719 the NHL Stanley Cup Final history, thirty two goals through 41 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.800 four games. So we'll get you ready for the weekend 42 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.680 action in pro hockey. They're gonna get back going tomorrow, 43 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:17.159 back up at Rogers' Place in Edmonton, Alberta. So we 44 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.439 talk a little hockey on the program, of course, get 45 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.400 you ready for that, and you can hear the Stanley 46 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.199 Cup finals on this little old radio station as well. 47 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.960 Big match from a local standpoint tomorrow for our local 48 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.439 soccer club, badly in need of a result, badly in 49 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.800 need of three points. Quite frankly, they have not won 50 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:37.360 in seven matches. They're without Diego Luna, They're without don 51 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:41.120 Mark Zuk, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, a few 52 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.520 different player. Gozo's gone as well. I don't know what 53 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.039 that's starting eleven is going to look like. I do 54 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.960 think we're gonna see a little Johnny Russell action, one 55 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:52.319 of the acquisitions made by the front office during the 56 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:53.840 primary transfer window. 57 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.759 That is now closed and has been closed for a while. 58 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:02.479 Summer transfer window opens up in a month, it's mid July. 59 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:03.080 I don't know. 60 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.120 If you want to know, you can google it. Hopefully 61 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.439 they have some things planned. Pablo needs reinforcements in the 62 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.879 worst way, so it gets ready for the RSL match tomorrow. 63 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:18.039 On the program Today US Open rolls on the television 64 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:22.159 coverage I think right now is NBC Dictor Hoblin and 65 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.360 Sam Burns. Had a great round today. Several golfers still 66 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.639 on the course. We'll give you an update on the 67 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:29.879 leader board and we'll talk a little golf on the 68 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:30.560 program today. 69 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:31.000 We do have a. 70 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.039 Golf guest as well, so a lot to do, busy show. 71 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:35.680 Good to have you with us. Our first guest right 72 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.400 out of the gates will be our guy, Tony Jones, 73 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.199 who covers the NBA for the Athletic covers the Utah 74 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.599 Jazz as well. We'll get a couple of NBA Finals 75 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.439 observations from Tony. But we'll do a lot of draft 76 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.280 The NBA draft is twelve days away and the Utah 77 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.719 Jazz have number five and number twenty one and then 78 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.240 ultimately have a couple of second round picks as well. 79 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.879 A lot of trade buzz surrounding several in pro basketball, 80 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:03.120 including Kevin Durant. 81 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:04.479 Well, what's that going to look like? 82 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.280 We'll see what Tony sources are telling him about the 83 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:12.599 potential movement in the NBA. Dave mcminnimon live in Indianapolis 84 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.399 Game Bridge Field House, so Dave will be on location 85 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.399 and he'll stop by today to set the scene for 86 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.360 us for Game four tonight in the NBA Finals. Some 87 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.800 US opened with Paul pug Meyer and some local golf 88 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.480 with our guy Pugs and then Chris Cameranie Once upon 89 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.800 a Time of Friday staple hasn't been in on a 90 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.160 Friday for a long time at tkble Rolling Studio for 91 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.240 an entire hour at four o'clock and then we'll launch 92 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.879 you into the final hour of the program on this 93 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.639 Friday afternoon. So a lot to do. It's great to 94 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:43.759 have you guys along for the ride. We've got Tony Jones, 95 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:47.079 Dave Mcmannimon, Paul Pugmyer, Chris Comrodnie Me Spence Check. It's 96 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:49.879 all of you, the great listeners, and that young man 97 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.920 in there, that's strapping young man in there, Porter Larson. 98 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:55.920 All right, the narrative all day is whoever wins this 99 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:57.439 game tonight wins the series. 100 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:58.759 Do you feel like that's the case. 101 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.079 Yeah, I think if Arizona is able to get over 102 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:02.680 coastal Carolina. 103 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:04.639 Here right and turn on the golf. Dude, like, why 104 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.480 are we watching college baseball? Due, Well, we're watching college 105 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.639 baseball because I do believe. 106 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.319 Actually, I'll go confirm for you, But the golf is 107 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.000 now on Peacock, So. 108 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.319 It's twenty twenty five. Can we get Peacock on our television? 109 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.319 And I know I sound like the old man screaming 110 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.120 at a cloud that they're streaming stuff going on in 111 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.240 twenty twenty five, but I'll make sure there's golf on 112 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.240 the TV for you here the next fifteen or so. 113 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:32.279 I'll figure it out. 114 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.920 But away from Arizona and Coastal Okay, Okay, it's four 115 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:37.879 to four, so it's close. 116 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.360 Yes, turn it on bottom of the six Indiana. 117 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.680 Ok See does the winner of this game tonight win 118 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:43.639 the NBA Championship? 119 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.519 I think so, And I said last night, right even 120 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.480 though right now the odds are in the favor of 121 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.560 Oklahoma City. Still, when you have a two to one 122 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.600 lead in this type of finals, not necessarily this type 123 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.480 of finals, but this late in the playoffs, this much 124 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.560 pressure and urgency, I think you're in the driver's seat. 125 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:05.879 I think you hold the keys to the series. And 126 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.639 Indiana's at home tonight, so that's a big plus as well. 127 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:11.759 Yeah, if you go up three. 128 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.639 To one man, there's only one time that has gone 129 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.879 south in the NBA Finals, and it included one of 130 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.279 the greatest players of all time and included a silly 131 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.360 suspension and included some injuries and a whole bunch of 132 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:28.040 other stuff For that to transpire. You go up three 133 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.839 to one, and you better, you better win the NBA Finals. 134 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000 Yep, and the series porter is talking about twenty fifteen. 135 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.920 And you know what, Let's get to the opening tip 136 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:39.639 because I actually have some thoughts on that. So our 137 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.920 first guest today will be Tony Jones from the Athletic 138 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.959 But before TJ stops by on this gorgeous, beautiful summer 139 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.639 of Friday afternoon in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, it 140 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.759 is time now for your opening tip. 141 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:52.399 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. 142 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.560 Check its on Utah's number one sports talk Now into 143 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.600 the studios of ESPN seven hundred to set the scene 144 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.000 for the show. 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We saw the 175 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.959 Indiana Pacers with a bunch of different adjustments last game, 176 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:27.000 namely on how they handled Sga and ultimately, while both 177 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.319 these teams have depth and both of these teams have 178 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:33.120 good players outside of their stars, Sga clearly is the 179 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.360 head of the Snake and as is Halliburton, even though 180 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.000 they're extremely different players. It really does come down in 181 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.799 a lot of ways to those two individual players to 182 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:42.759 lead their team the way that they have certainly all 183 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.480 season long, and Shay's case and in Tyresee's case, probably 184 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.440 since January when Indiana really started to roll. So this 185 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.639 comes down to an interesting chess match, and it's Mark 186 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:57.480 Dagnolt's move after Rick Carlisle essentially said checkmate with a 187 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.000 couple of different adjustments teammates. 188 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:00.399 So in yeah, it did. 189 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:02.320 In game three as far as covering Shay, there was 190 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:06.080 a bunch of different personnel switch ups and Andrew Nemhart. 191 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.039 It's interesting, So Nemhart and Sga are teammates on the 192 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:10.200 Canadian national team. 193 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.440 They know each other really well. 194 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.919 They played against and with each other for a number 195 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.679 of different years, and I have to imagine that Rick 196 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.519 thought that familiarity would help Nemhart in his individual role 197 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.200 trying to corral SGA because he did a really good job. 198 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:27.080 And you know, Nemhar during the Knick series also took 199 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.519 on the challenge of Jalen Brunton often and he just 200 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.519 gets up in you. He's gonna pick you up ninety 201 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.360 four feet. He's gonna let you know that I'm gonna 202 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.399 be here all night. You might get yours because you're 203 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.120 the MVP, but I will be here all nights and 204 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:41.919 I'm gonna be an irantant I'm gonna get up in 205 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.559 you and Nemhar gives up I think maybe three or 206 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:45.799 four inches at least to say. 207 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.080 But it is that dog mentality. 208 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:49.759 I know it's a little bit corny and cliche, but 209 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.320 that's what it is and that's who he is as 210 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:57.000 a player. So we'll see what Dagnall does, because ultimately 211 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.679 what Carlisle decided to do is utilize Nemhard is the 212 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.720 primary defender on SGA, and then they didn't blitz and 213 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.559 hedge on ball screens for Shaye the way the way 214 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.639 that they did Games one. In Games two, they actually 215 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.480 kind of left the secondary defender, oftentimes it was Halliburton 216 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.679 or Nie Smith kind of below the three point line, 217 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.000 closer to the free throw line. And then when the 218 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:22.039 ball screen was set, the primary defender, who was Nemhart, 219 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.279 was able to fight most of the time around the screen, 220 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.080 and then the secondary defender, who was kind of playing 221 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.399 like a center field role, would just kind of, you know, 222 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.679 able to confuse Sga, takeaway some passing lanes or contest 223 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.799 a shot, you know, the other thing clearly down the stretch. 224 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:37.960 And this is where it's going to be interesting to 225 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.799 see what Dagnault does Shay specifically. But most of the 226 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:44.600 thunder I'll say outside of Jalen because I thought it 227 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.159 was interesting. I think Jalen understood that Shay was tired, 228 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.480 and in the fourth quarter a lot of their you know, 229 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:54.039 initial offensive sets were kind of initiated by Jalen because 230 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.440 Shaye was tired. So does Dagnault extend his rotation a 231 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:02.120 little bit? I mean last game he played basically seven players. 232 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.679 Aaron Wiggins did play ten minutes, but Caruso of course 233 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:08.200 got thirty two minutes. Off the bench, Hartenstein eighteen minutes 234 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.360 off the bench. I do have to wonder whether or 235 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.799 not Dagnall does play Chet and Hartenstein together in a 236 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.679 way that he just hasn't much during this postseason, or 237 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:21.200 I should say, during this finals matchup. Cason Wallace has 238 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.919 received the start, Hartenstein has gone to the bench, but 239 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.919 in a very truncated space. When Chet and Hartenstein are 240 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.840 playing together, they're actually in that positive And I don't 241 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.639 know how much to make of that, because ultimately, even 242 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.120 though Indiana leads this series two to one, Oklahoma City 243 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.840 still has out scored them, I think, plus seven, and 244 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.120 they are positive in the net. Of course, Game two 245 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.480 is a bit of a blowout, but every game has 246 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.039 been very unique. Game one kind of felt like it 247 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.000 was fitting the script, and then Indiana pulled the classic 248 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.159 Indiana with that crazy comeback at the end, Halliburton with 249 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.840 a step back game winning jumper against Cason and Rick 250 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.080 Carlisle electing not to call a time out and trust 251 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.720 his league guard and he was rewarded for that. And 252 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.440 then Game two was essentially an example of what Oklahoma 253 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.399 City has done to teams all year long. That was 254 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.960 just a classic OKC game. It honestly, wasn't very entertaining. 255 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.919 I mean, this has been high level basketball, and let 256 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:15.279 me pause there for a moment. 257 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:16.840 These playoffs have been awesome. 258 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:19.759 Like I know, a lot of people have soured on 259 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.080 the NBA for maybe several different reasons. Maybe you've been 260 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.279 fooled to believe that your political beliefs don't allow you 261 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.399 to watch basketball anymore, which is the dumbest thing, but 262 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.840 maybe that's you. Maybe you're disenfranchised with the fact that 263 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.440 players don't play during the regular season. 264 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:34.399 I'll raise my hand. 265 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.000 That's one of the reasons I tap out a lot 266 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:39.200 of regular season basketball. Maybe you're only a Jazz fan, 267 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.919 and oftentimes we've had a debate in this market. Are 268 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.559 we an NBA market or are we only a Jazz market? 269 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.759 And if you're a Jazz fan, of course you're frustrated, 270 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:51.799 you're disappointed, and maybe you've lost interest. I've got some 271 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.519 buddies that have lost interest in the NBA and certainly 272 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:56.879 have lost interest in the Utah Jazz as the Jazz 273 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.440 continue to stumble their way through this clunky rebuild that 274 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:01.840 is really brought very little forward progress. 275 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.759 So I understand all that. If you're not watching the playoffs. 276 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.480 If you haven't been, you're really missing out because the 277 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.879 competition has been fierce, the basketball has been really high level, 278 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.600 and there have been some injuries, certainly, and that always 279 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.120 is something that colors the context of how these teams 280 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.279 were able to win something special. Is this a Boston 281 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.200 OKC matchup of Jason Tatum iss still standing? I mean, 282 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.919 the Knicks were about to take a three to one lead, 283 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.600 but you get my point. Dame Lillard goes down for Milwaukee. 284 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.960 You know, obviously Cleveland banged up outside of Mitchell. They 285 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.759 lose Garland, they lose Hunter, they lose Mobili, and the 286 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.360 players that they were playing with didn't look fully healthy. 287 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.639 So injuries certainly always coming to play, and oftentimes the 288 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.639 teams that end up in this spot do get extreme 289 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.960 injury luck and extreme health luck. And neither of these 290 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.000 teams have injuries of note. Tyree Sa had a little 291 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.720 bit of a knee thing, but he didn't look like 292 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.600 it bothered him during Game three at all. And on 293 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.759 the Indiana side of things, you know, it's interesting, so 294 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:04.360 we have Pascal Siaka and Alex Caruso as players on 295 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.919 both teams that actually have championship rings. Caruso wanted title 296 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:09.840 with the Lakers, I think that was the Bubble title, 297 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.639 and Siakam won that title with the Raptors when they 298 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.639 had Kawhi for one year. And so those are the 299 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:19.480 two vets that kind of understand this stage. Otherwise you 300 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.080 can make an argument tonight is the biggest game that 301 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:25.279 Jay Gilgess Alexander has ever played, or Lou Dort or 302 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:30.360 Check Holmgren or Jalen Williams or Casen Wallace or Isaiah Hartenstein, 303 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.759 and certainly everybody on the Pacers, probably outside of Siakam, 304 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.720 like this is a moment that will show you what 305 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.600 you're made of. And if you're Indiana, you just have 306 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.879 to hope that you continue to get what you were 307 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.240 able to get Game three from the players not named 308 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.799 Tyree Saliburton, because of course Halliburton and Sga back to 309 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.799 my original point, are the two heads of the respective 310 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.600 snakes of these teams. But one of the things that 311 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.080 really killed the Knicks in Indiana's win in the Eastern 312 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.639 Conference Finals was the player of Aaron Nesmith. 313 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.840 Was the play of Andrew Nemhart. 314 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.080 Obi Toppin, who, by the way, has been so much 315 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.320 better for the Pacers than he ever was for the Knicks. 316 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.879 You know, those are the guys Bennedict Matherin who went 317 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.639 for twenty seven points on twelve shots in Game three. 318 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.799 Those are the guys that have been able to help 319 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.720 Tyree Saliburton in this endeavor to reach the NBA Finals 320 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.440 take a two one lead, and Rick Carlisle every time 321 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.639 he does his media talks about this like Oklahoma City, 322 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.720 they can get away with a game where Caruso is 323 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.600 not hidden threes or lou Dort is not hidden threes. 324 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.279 You know, as long as Shay is Shay and they 325 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.519 get what they typically get from Jalen and chet like, 326 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.440 they're going to be dialed in. They don't need to 327 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.559 go seven or eight deep as far as players knocking 328 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.600 down shots and scoring. Indiana very much does they need 329 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.879 Siakam to be who he's been for the most part 330 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.240 throughout this series and certainly who he was for Game three. 331 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.559 It'll be interesting to see the defensive matchups and whether 332 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.240 or not there are cross matchups that are changed. And 333 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.120 I do think now that Indiana has found a little 334 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.320 something as far as Ry to corral Shay, we will 335 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.080 see that coverage mixed up a little bit. And now 336 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.080 it's on Shay to adapt like MVPs are supposed to do. 337 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.120 It is potentially the biggest game he's ever played. I 338 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.799 think it's gonna be a lot of fun tonight. I'm 339 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.240 excited for this. We will say good night at six 340 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.840 o'clock and bring you coverage of tonight's NBA Finals Game four, 341 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.639 so stay tuned for that. But we will catch our 342 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.600 first break of the program on this Friday in Game four. 343 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.200 NBA Finals tips off in four hours. Right now, you 344 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.039 can hear that game on our radio station as the 345 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.320 Indiana Pacers will look to take a commanding three to 346 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.200 one lead over the Oklahoma City Thunder. Continue to be 347 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.279 the favorite not just to win tonight, but to win 348 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:43.200 the series. Our next guest may have been one of 349 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.799 like two or three people it said, I don't know, 350 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.440 weeks ago when the Pacers were playing the Knicks in 351 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.799 the Eastern Conference Finals, that this Pacers team could win 352 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.720 the NBA Championship. Tony Jones, take your victory lap, young man. 353 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:57.120 How are you? 354 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.519 I think it was my second VI three lap? 355 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:00.799 Right? 356 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:02.360 What was the first one? 357 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:04.240 Alex Jimpson? 358 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.559 Ah, okay, well, two for two, two for two, So 359 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:08.960 let me ask you, what did you. 360 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.880 See, miss I've missed on a lot more than I said. 361 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:13.240 I just got lucky on the last two. 362 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.799 No, we all missed, man, But what did you see 363 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.559 from Indiana that led you to make that statement when 364 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:22.319 it didn't feel like anybody else was kind of on 365 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:22.799 that train. 366 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:29.000 The fact that you know, the landscape of the NBA 367 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.480 has changed, and you need ten guys now to win 368 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:36.039 an NBA title win before you could do it with seven, 369 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.480 and you could do it with you know, three top three, 370 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.400 top evy guys, and you can you know, mix and 371 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:46.559 match around them and use the bandas around them. I mean, 372 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:52.559 if you look at the two thousand and eleven Miami Heat, 373 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:58.000 which is actually a good comparison because Rick Carlisle coached 374 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.599 the team that beat them fast six guys. You know 375 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.720 they're you know, Lebron and then their top five and 376 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:07.000 you know they had like Mike Bibby coming off the 377 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.000 bench and that wasn't prime Mike viv that was the 378 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.200 sholl of Mike Vivvi. And you know, so I think 379 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.039 that you know, the new CBA bought a different landscape 380 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.000 in the league where you know it went from you know, 381 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.359 you could put together a super team and you can 382 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:29.359 win an NBA title to you know, instead of three 383 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.319 five stars, why don't you get you know, four four 384 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:36.039 star level players and then you know, a bunch of 385 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:41.640 three star level guys. And what Indiana has is they 386 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.079 have ten guys who can all play in the playoffs. 387 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.000 There's different from our Knicks, who were just putting guys 388 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.480 on the floor and they weren't playoff players. They were 389 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.720 just guys that Tims was just like trying to find 390 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.799 men trying to steal minutes with. You know, they put 391 00:18:54.880 --> 00:19:00.440 ten legitimate NBA playoff level guys on the floor and 392 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.799 they have just worn almost everybody down. In Game three 393 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.519 against Oklahoma City, that was the first time in this 394 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:13.759 postseason that I've seen the Thunder actually look fatigued down 395 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.079 the stretch of a basketball game. 396 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:21.240 Okay, so the follow up, Tony is called you did 397 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:21.880 call it? 398 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:22.400 That is? 399 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:24.480 You know Indiana was going to have a say here, 400 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.240 and they're up to one and if they win tonight. 401 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.359 In the history of the NBA Finals, teams that are 402 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.960 up three to one are thirty seven and one. The 403 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.960 only exception is Lebron and the Cavs in twenty fifteen. 404 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.240 Which is one of the most incredible individual performances in 405 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.400 a team sport setting that I've ever. 406 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.599 Seen in my entire life. 407 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.160 So I'm going to ask you, even though you said 408 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.519 weeks ago you think they can get this done, do 409 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.839 you believe that they will? Do you believe they can 410 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.400 beat okay see two more times over the next whatever 411 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:52.960 amount of games to get this done. 412 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.720 Shockingly, I'm still going to go okay see and seven 413 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.960 okay because I think that that I think the Thunder 414 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.680 are going to play their best game of the postseason tonight, 415 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.799 and I think they're gonna get one tonight, and I 416 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:10.480 think that's gonna make it the best of three. And 417 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:12.960 if you make it the best of three, then it's 418 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:17.279 hard to expect in the end to win twice at 419 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:20.799 Pingcom Center in Oklahoma City because the Thunder is so 420 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:27.920 so good there. The thing that I think is that 421 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:34.680 both things can be true. One, the Indiana Pacers are 422 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.960 really good team, a great team, and two they're playing 423 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:38.559 a great team. 424 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.000 So I don't look. 425 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.920 At this as you know, somebody, you know, I mean, 426 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.359 obviously somebody's gonna have to win and somebody's gonna. 427 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:45.599 Have to lose. 428 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.680 But I look at it as you know, two real 429 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:51.640 giants kind of going at each other. And you know 430 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.039 what I thought heading into this series was that this 431 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:55.960 is going to be a six or seven game series. 432 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.480 And I still think that this is going to end 433 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:01.680 up the six or seven game series. Even if Indiana 434 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.880 wins tonight, I still expect this series to go six 435 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.359 because I don't expect Oklahoma City to lose Game five 436 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:08.759 at home. 437 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:13.559 Okay, so let's see, we were talking about this yesterday. 438 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.559 I think it was, oh, it was Howard Beck who 439 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.440 stopped and stopped by the show yesterday. And look, I'm 440 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:20.799 not trying to put the cart before the horse here, 441 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:23.640 but next year will kind of be like an off 442 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.559 year for the Celtics. Tatum is out probably all year. 443 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.720 Every rumor you hear about Boston is they're open for 444 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.240 business to trade whoever with a new ownership group that 445 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.119 does not want to be in that punitive economic area 446 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.240 that they're in right now. 447 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:38.160 We'll get to the Knicks in a minute. 448 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.599 I don't know if they've contacted you about the coaching job, 449 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.279 but what a pathetic display from ownership. But ultimately, there 450 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.000 are some good young teams in the East. I think 451 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.160 Detroit will take a step. I think Orlando will take 452 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.880 a step. You never know what Miami has up their sleeve. 453 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.640 But Tony, when you look at the bulk of Indiana's 454 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.960 roster outside of TJ. McConnell and Pascal Siakam and Pasco, 455 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:01.039 I was only thirty one. 456 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.759 He's got plenty of good years left. The bulk of their. 457 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.119 We don't know how Passcal is. He's on that surge 458 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:10.799 of Baka train. 459 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:13.279 I'm gonna let you say that, and I'm gonna back 460 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:14.000 away for the mic. 461 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:16.079 I'm gonna let you go ahead and say that. 462 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.519 But when you look at tyresee when you look at Matherin, 463 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.000 when you look at Nemhard and Nie Smith and the 464 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.359 bulk of their roster, the bulk of their rotation between 465 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.839 twenty three and twenty seven years old, is there a 466 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.480 chance that we are seeing the start of something maybe 467 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.279 very special with this look. I know that the current 468 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.079 climate of pro basketball is you're not able to keep 469 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:40.480 really good teams together for very long. I know that's 470 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.400 by design, But with an Eastern Conference, it's very much 471 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.440 up for grabs. If Indiana really is able to get 472 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.599 this done, could this be their conference for the next 473 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:49.880 three or four years. 474 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.319 I'm gonna say no, because, like you said, I mean, 475 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:59.079 it's really hard to keep teams. 476 00:22:58.640 --> 00:22:59.279 Like this together. 477 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:01.880 I mean it's really hard. Like you know, let's say 478 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:06.960 Indiana winsday. The one thing that I learned from covering Denver, 479 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:13.119 from covering Denver in their championship year in the year 480 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.279 after that is hard to do it twice because you 481 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.440 play so many games and you expend so much energy 482 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:24.240 heading me into trying to win a championship, and you're 483 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:26.759 just gassed the next year. It's one of the reasons 484 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.880 why I didn't really think the Celtics were gonna win 485 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.000 this year, because it's hard to win twice. 486 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:31.799 It really is. 487 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:36.759 And you know, Denver won like quite easily. I think 488 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.039 they went like sixteen and four, Like they lost four 489 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.720 times on that on that in that championship run, they 490 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.519 won sixteen of their twenty games, and they were gassed 491 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.559 the next year by January. They were gassed. They had 492 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:53.559 nothing left and and manifested itself in the playoffs when 493 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:55.960 their legs just died in games set in the second 494 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.920 half of Game seven to the Minnesota Timberwolves. You saw 495 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.880 the Boston Celtics this year. That was a tired basketball 496 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:09.359 team down the stretch. So you know, the I think 497 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:14.039 the Oklahoma City Thunder are built to do this year 498 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.359 after year after year because. 499 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.880 They own everybody's. 500 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.880 Draft picks in the entire league, and you know they're 501 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.519 gonna get draft pick after draft pick after draft picks. 502 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.720 That's going to allow them to keep kind of flipping 503 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.839 over the roster as they have to make tough decisions. 504 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.119 Indiana's not in that spot. I mean, obviously, you know 505 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.400 their core is young, but they don't have like the 506 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.279 assets that okay see has to keep replenishing the guys 507 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:45.119 that they lose. So you know, when Andrew Nemhar comes up, 508 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.039 it's gonna be hard to keep him. When aaron Ne 509 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.160 Smith comes up, you know, he's on his second contract, 510 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.000 I believe, but when he's valuable enough that when he 511 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.039 gets to his next contract, that's going to be hard 512 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.200 to keep him. That's already been hard, uh to this point, 513 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.680 to keep to keep Miles Turner. That you have two 514 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.160 all NBA level players, uh that you that you have 515 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.200 to pay. You have Jarris Walker coming up, you know, 516 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.319 so what do you do with him? You already paid 517 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:16.200 Obi Topping Eventually, you know, TJ. McConnell is gonna be like, hey, 518 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.920 what about me. You know, Benneget Matheren is still on 519 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.759 his rookie deal. He's gonna want more money as well. 520 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:26.200 It's just. 521 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.119 So many guys that are gonna have to get paid, 522 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.279 and you know that and turn and dealing with natural 523 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.079 attrition is gonna make it really really difficult for any 524 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.039 any team to have a long sustained run uh year 525 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:42.559 after year. 526 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:50.720 Billy Donovan, Quinn Snyder, Emmy Udoka, Chris Finch, Jason Kidd, 527 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.279 those are the five we know about. 528 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:53.559 Uh. 529 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.119 The New York Knicks response to the best season they've 530 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.200 had UH since Red Hot Lover Too with the kid 531 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:05.640 and play Fade was playing basketball was to fire a 532 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.720 great coach with no contingency put plan in place. This 533 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:14.640 is like comically embarrassing for an owner who has several 534 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.920 decisions and moments that have been extremely embarrassing over the 535 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.400 course of his twenty seven years owning this basketball team. 536 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.880 What do you make of the clown show, the clown car, 537 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.079 the clown extended bus at Madison Square Garden, And who 538 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.880 do you think ultimately gets that job? 539 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.200 I think ultimately, you know, one of my guests. Is 540 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.960 gonna be one of Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone. 541 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:48.319 There's one other really good coach that's out there is 542 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.519 gonna is gonna end up getting a job. You know, 543 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.079 I wish they give it a job, Johnny Bryant, but 544 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.119 I think it's too big for him at this point, 545 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.519 Like he's gotta you know, I think Johnny's got do 546 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.039 to Charles Lee thing and go somewhere like Charlotte and 547 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.680 build and build that program up before he before he 548 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.480 gets the job at the Knicks, even though he was 549 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:13.680 the associate head coach. So you gotta go with experience. 550 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.160 So I think you're gonna go with probably one. 551 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:17.880 Of those guys. 552 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.559 To me, and those the fine options, right, Like Taylor 553 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.400 Jenkins is a good coach, like Michael Malone for all 554 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:31.079 of his faults, and you know if basically, you know, 555 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.839 I plan to max sit they hired Michael Malone because 556 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.119 you basically fire tips just to hire Tips. But Michael 557 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.799 Malone is a good coach, a really really good coach. 558 00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.279 Mike Brown is a really really good coach. And all 559 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:47.759 of those guys have coached high level playoff teams under 560 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.680 high stakes and high pressure But what this just tells 561 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.759 me is that you know, you can never as well 562 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.119 as the Knicks front office is run, and as terrible 563 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.799 as Leon Rose Tree the media, this is a real 564 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.359 compliment to him. You know, the Knicks front office has 565 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.039 run really well, They've made really smart moves, They've done 566 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:13.519 really good things to get the Knicks imposition to get 567 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.119 this far. And you still just cannot erase the sense 568 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.279 of the owner. And that is what it tells me 569 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.160 as well as you know this thing is run from 570 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.119 the top down right now, you know, the owner. 571 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.519 Team can can really just cancel all of this out. 572 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.119 And you know, you're right, this has been embarrassing and 573 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.400 no matter where they land at this point, it's been embarrassing. 574 00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.799 Like you're reaching out to the Chicago Bullsha. 575 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.799 Billy Donald Donaldvan hasn't even been good at. 576 00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.160 The NBA levels. He's been made, you know, so I 577 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.079 mean at least like you know, reach out and get 578 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.680 you know, rejected trying to go after Red r Back 579 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:54.759 or Red Holzman or or Phil Jackson or somebody like that, 580 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:59.119 or Rick Parallel, you know, Eric Foster. You know, goat 581 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.960 level coaches don't get rejected by Billy Donovan going after 582 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:09.559 Billy Donovan, Like, that's embarrassing. You know, so at you know, 583 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:15.359 me and you were lifelong diehard Knicks fans. You know, 584 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.279 we obviously hope that this lands at a palataical situation, 585 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.359 and I think ultimately it will, but you know, the 586 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.920 road to get there is going to be one to forget. 587 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:27.319 For sure. 588 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.559 Do believe Red our Back and Red Holsman are both 589 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.680 no longer with us. But your point stands. I completely 590 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:34.759 understand what you're saying. 591 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.799 I hope you know that. You know that. 592 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.640 I'm just I'm kidding. 593 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.039 But here's the problem Ton, You you know this, Let's 594 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.400 say they hire Taylor Jenkins, just hypothetically speaking, you know, 595 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.759 at the opening press conference, when Taylor is addressing the media, 596 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.160 Frank Eyes, Solar or whoever is gonna be like, hey, 597 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.960 how does it feel being the sixth choice? 598 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:53.839 Taylor? 599 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.799 Like, no matter who they hire, he's gonna have to 600 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.799 deal with that narrative as long as he's the coach. 601 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.839 And Taylor should respond last week I got a paycheck 602 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.319 where zero dollars, Like that should be his response. Now 603 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.160 that shouldn't be a response. But still the question is 604 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.400 going to come up because it's the new York media. 605 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:13.279 That's the courts. 606 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.839 That's the very first question that's going to come up. 607 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.279 So you know, it's it's something that you know should 608 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:27.000 not have played out. It's embarrassingly just publicly the NX, 609 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.240 you know, they they you know, go through great lengths 610 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.359 to be the gestapo to the media, so you know, 611 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.319 don't try to be the gestapo to the media. And 612 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.480 you know, you can't keep stuff inside your own house 613 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.599 when it when it comes time time to hire a coach, 614 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.960 basically like they should have been back channeling. I mean, 615 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:53.079 there's so many different instances that we can point to that, 616 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.960 you know, teams are back channel and they've had stuff higher. 617 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.920 I mean, we just saw it here two months ago. 618 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.359 You know, when the University of Utah fire Craigs. You know, 619 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.799 there wasn't an issue on who they were. 620 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.160 Going to hire. 621 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:09.799 They knew they were who they were going to hire, 622 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.000 and that person knew he was going to take the job, 623 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.000 you know, so that there, you know, Preig Smith when 624 00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.839 he got dismissed, there wasn't any ambiguity on on who 625 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.559 was going to replace him. And I just don't understand, 626 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.880 you know, why the Knicks didn't cross their t's and 627 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:31.759 dot their i's in terms in terms of doing that. 628 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.880 Isn't Taylor Jenkins still being paid by the Grizzlies. 629 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.319 He is? 630 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.839 So I'm just, you know, making hypotheticals that are inaccurate. 631 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.799 All good, All right, Before we get to the Jazz, 632 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.960 I want to know what your sources indicate about the 633 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.559 reports concerning all the potential player movement. I mean, I 634 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.119 feel like every time I pull up any of the 635 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.759 outlets you guys have the Athletic or ESPN or whatever, 636 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.119 there's rumors that Boston is kind of open to trade anybody, 637 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.200 including Jalen. They won't trade Tatum, but of course he's 638 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.680 out all next year. There's the Durant stuff, which is 639 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.279 suddenly feeling very very real. 640 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:14.359 There's the Yannis stuff. 641 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.079 I mean, there are a lot of rumors concerning big, 642 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.880 big name players that could really change the landscape of 643 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.119 the league. How real do you think the reported potential 644 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.839 chaos in the offseason of pro basketball will actually be? 645 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.839 Well, I'm fairly certain Durant is gonna move. I'm fairly 646 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.279 I'm fairly confident that Giannis is not gonna move. But 647 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.480 I'm fairly certain that I think that this is going 648 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.359 to be a wild off season because for a couple 649 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.279 of reasons, the landscape of the NBA is wide open. 650 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.640 Anybody can win this thing from year to year. There's 651 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.720 no money on the market, so the free agency market, 652 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.519 uh is caka, you know. So that leaves the trade 653 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.720 market in terms in terms of movement. So I think 654 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:06.440 you're gonna see a lot of activity prior to Draft night, 655 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.640 on Draft night, after draft night, and I think you're 656 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.319 gonna see a lot of activity in the first couple 657 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:18.440 of in the first couple of weeks of free agency. 658 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.559 You know, teams think that they're close. You know, I 659 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.480 can tell you right now if you talk if you 660 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.880 spoke to Daryl moy right now, as bad as Philadelphia 661 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.839 was this year, if you talk to Daryl Mory right now, 662 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.400 he'll be like, well, if we get Joel and b 663 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:40.000 back healthy, we get Paul George back healthy, we have 664 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.279 a therapick in the draft, we might move down. We 665 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.160 might trade for Trey Murphy, we might trade for Herb Jones. 666 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.519 We're right there in the Eastern Conference. And this is 667 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.000 from a guy who finished thirteenth in the Eastern Conference. 668 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.359 You know, so the you know, you look at the 669 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.599 San Antonio Spurs. They finished tenth or or eleventh or 670 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.640 twelfth in the Eastern Conference. I mean in the Western Conference. 671 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.799 I bet you they're thinking they're right there. We have 672 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.119 Victor Winbayam and maybe we're gonna you know, we have 673 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.519 Daron Fotx and Stephen Castle. You know, there are a 674 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.880 lot of teams all across the map, playoff teams, championship 675 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.360 level teams, teams that weren't playing teams or playoff teams 676 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.079 last year, that feel that they're one or two moves away. 677 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.440 And when you have that, you know, that breathed chaos. 678 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.239 So I think we're gonna see, you know, a lot 679 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.719 of talk, a lot of rumors, a lot of potential movement, 680 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.400 and a lot of actual movement when when the time comes. 681 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.760 Okay, Tom, since you and I last spoke, Sarah Todd 682 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.880 from of the program Friend of Yours, Bill Simmons on 683 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:54.280 his podcast, Zach Lowe on his podcast are three of 684 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.719 the media members I've seen either talk about or write 685 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.239 about the fact that the Jazz are actively taking phone 686 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.679 calls on Lowry Marketing and Walker Kessler. Now, does that 687 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.639 mean they will move them? Of course that's not what 688 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:06.239 that means. 689 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.519 And of the one thousand rumors we'll hear over the 690 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.599 course of the next few weeks, maybe five of them 691 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.079 actually happen. So what is your source and indicate about 692 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.440 the Jazz potentially taking phone calls on Walker and Lowry. 693 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:21.480 I mean they you. 694 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.920 Know, they'll take phone calls on anybody. Nobody's untouchable on 695 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:24.960 the Jazz roster. 696 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:25.719 You know. 697 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.400 But you know, if you want Lowry marketing, or if 698 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.039 you want Walker Kessler, you're gonna have to give the 699 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.159 Jazz a lot. And you know that's the way it's 700 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:38.000 always been with them. I mean, listen, our favorite team 701 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.800 offered two first round picks for Walker Kessler last year 702 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.360 at Draft Knight. They were told now, and that's our 703 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.800 favorite team. And you know who I'm talking about. That 704 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.360 was Draft Knight last last year. They were told now, 705 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:55.599 you know. So, I mean the bar to get any 706 00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.440 of those two guys is extremely high. I mean, they're 707 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.039 at least twenty teams you know, across the league that 708 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.880 wont to trade for Walter Tesler. The Los Angeles Lakers 709 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.960 are dying to trade for Walker Tesler. So you know, 710 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.519 it's just going to be a matter if if you know, 711 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.599 they meet the threshold, and that threshold is going to 712 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.039 be high, and if not, then they won't be traded. 713 00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.639 You know, if this is not the Jazz, are you 714 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.159 know saying extra actually read all about it lotry marketing, 715 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.960 then Walker Tesler on the market, you know, go ahead 716 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.079 and give me your best trade offer and I'll just 717 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.159 take whatever I can get. These are these are premium 718 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.519 asters to the Jazz. These are important guys to the Jazz. 719 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.320 Uh and these are these are guys that the Jazz 720 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.079 are not going to move uh, not going to move 721 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.760 away from lightly. And the other thing is, what if 722 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.480 the Jazz go out and trade for trade Markine, then 723 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.920 those two guys aren't going to be traded. What if 724 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.880 the guy's going Jazz going trade for Trey Young? What 725 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.599 if they trade for Cam Johnson? You know, what if 726 00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:01.599 they make a move to get older uh to to 727 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.840 to to try to be more competitive within the Western Conference. 728 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.400 We still don't know with the hiring of Austin Ange, 729 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.280 what what way the Jazz are gonna go with their 730 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.920 twenty twenty five to twenty twenty six roster. And we 731 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:22.880 won't know until the draft and until you know the 732 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.880 opening moments for free agency. So once we do know that, 733 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.000 you know, we'll have a better gauge of you know, 734 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.320 what the value is of some of the other guys. 735 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.360 It's the Jazz, you know, trade Jordan Clarkson, and trade 736 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.039 Colin Sexton, and trade John Collins, and you know, turn 737 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.079 the roster over to the young kids. And guess what, 738 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.079 it makes a lot less sense for Lowry Marketing and 739 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.239 Walker Kesseler to be on the roster. So maybe at 740 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.280 that point, yes, it becomes more likely that they get moved. 741 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.400 But at this point, you know they're gonna they They're 742 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.159 gonna get moved if a team gives the Jazz a 743 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.719 hault and if that doesn't happen, then they're going to 744 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.880 be any U twelve Jazz uniform. 745 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.119 So of course, Tony, as you know, and for our 746 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.039 listeners perspective, the Jazz on a top eight protected pick 747 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.880 that goes to Oklahoma City next year if they're not 748 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.559 in the top eight. So with that in mind, do 749 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.000 you really believe it's a possibility with all the really 750 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:22.840 good players that could be on the move. The Jazz 751 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.119 actually kind of zig when everyone thinks they're zagging, and 752 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.400 make moves to add veteran talent to the roster. 753 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:29.519 Do you think that's on the table. 754 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:31.719 I think it's possible. 755 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.039 Well, you know, when I talk to when I thought 756 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.440 the sources within the Jazz organization, I was told at 757 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:45.360 this point any direction as possible. So if possible that 758 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.360 the Jazz try to get older and try to be 759 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:52.320 more competitive, it's also possible that the Jazz keeps stripping 760 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:56.519 the roster down. And they said they go into twenty 761 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.920 twenty five to twenty six with the roster that can 762 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.239 finish with fifty five or sixty losses. I think that 763 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.760 the draft will tell us a lot, and I think, 764 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.199 you know, free agency will tell us a lot. What 765 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:18.119 I do think definitively is that the Jazz know that 766 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.039 they don't have the guy on the roster. I think 767 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.639 that that's pretty obvious. And I think that they know 768 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.960 that they need more talent on the roster whichever way 769 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.639 they go. So you know, I think, you know, there 770 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.480 are guys that they need, you know, more evaluation on. 771 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.159 I think, you know, in this sense, you know, the 772 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:41.000 tailor Hendrick's injury really hurt, you saw because you know, 773 00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.079 you know, not because of whatever Taylor would have been 774 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.079 on the floor, but because it's essentially Rob the Jazz 775 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.639 of essentially a year and a half of evaluation of 776 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:56.000 Taylor and how he fits into and how he fits 777 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.800 into the team, and how he fits with his teammates. So, 778 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.960 you know, I think that, you know, in some ways 779 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.320 there is some sentiment to maybe reset the timeline, but 780 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.960 in some ways they're sentiments to go out and be 781 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.199 more competitive. I think that the opportunities that arise around 782 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.280 the Jazz will tell a big story on what the 783 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:17.760 Jazz do. 784 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.760 All Right, before we get to the draft, I'm gonna 785 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:21.199 ask you. 786 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.800 We don't have time to go individual players, so I'm 787 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.440 gonna I'm gonna blump them all in and ask you 788 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:31.679 one question about the following group. Isaiah Collier, Kyle Philipowski, Keante, 789 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.159 George Taylor, Hendrix, Bryce Senseiba, and Cody Williams. Those six players, 790 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.679 I feel like those are the six players that certainly are. 791 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.000 Under contract next year. Is gonna be interesting. 792 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.239 The Jazz actually have some options on some of these guys, 793 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.039 and they're all kind of the young group that the 794 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.440 Jazz have drafted over the past three years or so. 795 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.440 I'll leave Walker out of it because Walker is established. 796 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.639 I think we all know what Walker is, but out 797 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.320 of those six players, who do you think Ton, based 798 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.440 on your conversations, they think is going to be around 799 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.039 for the long haul and legitimately part of the future 800 00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.079 moving forward. 801 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.719 I don't know that any of those guys qualified. 802 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.119 Yeah, yeah, you may not be wrong, man, And. 803 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:18.079 That that's that's that's the tough thing about where this 804 00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.480 rebuild is gone. You know, none of those six guys 805 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:26.519 we can say, you know, definitively, yeah, you know, ten 806 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.199 years or let's not even say ten years from now, 807 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:33.239 five years from now, this guy will definitively be on 808 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:38.920 the roster, no question. And you know, none of those 809 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.559 six guys, None of those guys qualify. I would have 810 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.199 said that Taylor was probably the one that came closest, 811 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.679 but he's the one that broke his leg, you know, 812 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.840 because Taylor is the one that I would I would 813 00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.000 bet that when he's healthy, drives winning at the end 814 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.519 NBA level more than any of the other five. And 815 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:08.480 you know the other five, you know we all have there. 816 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.679 There's all plus and minuses. Keyante George is a terrific scorer. 817 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.239 He hasn't guarded anybody, and the Jazz pretty much know 818 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.360 that he's not a point guard. So now he's got 819 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.440 to be a really a real scorer, but he's got 820 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.639 to do it from the shooting guard spot. That probably 821 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:32.079 makes him a six man Isaiah Collier, great passer, broke 822 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.880 John Stockton's rookie assist record, can't shoot a lick, So 823 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.119 the shooting has to come along a long way for 824 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:44.599 him to to establish himself as a starting NBA level 825 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.000 point guard. I really, really, really like Kyle Filipowski offensively. 826 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.840 I think he has a chance to be a complete 827 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:56.480 three level scorer offensively for a seven footer and an 828 00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.159 offensive mismatch defense has to come a long way. Brice 829 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.559 sense Ball right now is in the NBA because he 830 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.159 was a first round pick and because he's a great shooter. 831 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.639 What what is going to get him a second contract? 832 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.280 I think that he gets the second con track because 833 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.119 he's such a good shooter. But at this point he 834 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.920 doesn't have another NBA skill and plus he doesn't have 835 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.199 an NBA body, So he has to keep himself in 836 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.760 tip top shape and he has to work harder at 837 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:35.400 it than others. Who's the other Who's the fifth one? 838 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:36.960 Is there one I'm missing? 839 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.920 I don't think no, no, you covered it because you. 840 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.519 You talked about Isaiah, you talked about Kante, you talked 841 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.519 about Taylor and Cody and Field. 842 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.559 No, no, those are the sext. 843 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.360 No, we didn't talk about Cody. Cody had a historically 844 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:57.000 bad rookie season and you know, he's got to uh, 845 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.159 he's got to establish himself as an NBA level player there. 846 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.119 So this is a real uh, this is a really 847 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.760 important off season for him, and next year will be 848 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.360 an important season for him. So, you know, I think 849 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.440 the closest right now is Coletel of Hoowski. We'll see 850 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.840 how Taylor comes back, you know, but every you know 851 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.280 that that whole six, you know, they all have their flaws, 852 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:25.880 and it puts more even more pressure on the Jazz 853 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.840 in my opinion, to really get this draft right. Like 854 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.320 they have to get this draft correct, no matter which 855 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.480 which way they go, who they take, whether they make 856 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.360 a trade, whatever they do, it has to be right. 857 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:41.599 This is the draft that they have to get right. 858 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.440 All right, before I set you loose, good good breakdown there. 859 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.400 Have you changed your opinion on who's best case at five? 860 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:54.119 It's been interesting, Sam Vassini over where you work with 861 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.840 the athletic and Givoni. Who's the ESPN dot Com Draft 862 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.840 Guy have both indicated con Nipple is rising and rising 863 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.880 fast and maybe won't even be there at five. So 864 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.280 maybe that shakes up the draft board ton in a 865 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.000 way that we weren't anticipating. So final thing for today, 866 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:14.239 best case scenario Tony Jones take Jazz drafting a number five. 867 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.840 Best case scenario for me. 868 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:23.960 Is Trey Johnson. I think that he has a chance 869 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.039 to be a complete offensive player. I think that he 870 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:33.079 has a chance to to to be an offensive driver 871 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.079 in terms of, you know, being the number one guy. 872 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.800 I watch him and he reminds. 873 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:42.599 Me of a young Devin Booker. 874 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.920 I think he has, you know, kind of every skill 875 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.440 you want out of the shooting guard. I think he's 876 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.000 maybe the. 877 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.840 Best shot in the very best shot. 878 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.400 Maker in the draft. 879 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:56.679 You know. 880 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:58.920 I worry about the defense. I worry about the fact 881 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:00.920 that he's about one hundred night. I think you have 882 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.639 to put twenty pounds on. But if I'm the Jazz, 883 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:09.239 that's that's who. That's that's who I want to follow 884 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:12.679 me because I think that he's he's the guy outside 885 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.119 of the top two. Yeah, right now, I think has 886 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.159 the best shot. Along would be to ask him of 887 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.079 eventually developing into an all NBA guy. 888 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.599 All right, toll, good stuff today, man, have a great weekend, 889 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.320 Thanks for the time. 890 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.159 Happy Friday with chat toon. Hey, Happy Father's Day, oh 891 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.320 to you as well. Thank you, sir. Have a great one, okay, fair, 892 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:35.079 I have a good one. 893 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:39.000 We're back on the Drive with ESPN's Dave mcminnimmon joining 894 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.519 us for today's NBA Daily Assist. 895 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.440 Game four NBA Finals tonight, six thirty bout in time. 896 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.000 We're about three hours and twenty three minutes away from tip. 897 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.079 It is a massive one. 898 00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.599 We go, I believe, we go live to Indianapolis, where 899 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.800 we find fan of small Markets, friend of the program, 900 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.519 Dave mcminnimon. Right, Dave, you are live in any Annapolis? 901 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:01.159 Is this correct? 902 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:02.280 Yes? 903 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.920 I am Nastown, USA, and it's been a wonderful couple 904 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.000 of days here. And if we had anything like we 905 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.480 got in Game three tonight, that I will this will 906 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.599 vault up towards one of my favorite admit cities. Because 907 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.679 these guys are delivering a great at BA Final so far. 908 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.840 They are they are all right right off the top. 909 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.199 If you go out to dinner and you walk into 910 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.840 a restaurant, I want you to give me the media 911 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.079 member that makes you the most excited and the media 912 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.000 member that would motivate you to turn around and walk 913 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:32.519 out the door. 914 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:36.920 Well, I will name drop here. 915 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.440 I was able to break bread with Charles Barkley last night, 916 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:47.280 dinner arranged by Brian Windhorse. So we had about you know, 917 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.039 five or six of us on the ESPN side welcome 918 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.039 me in our new colleague, the ESPN and Charles Barkley. 919 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.960 So that was very exciting and a wonderful meal. On 920 00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.480 the other one, I mean, you can take your pick 921 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.440 of the Tim mcmahonnormon him, you know, come on, I'll 922 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:04.760 be one to turn around right away. 923 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.320 I saw the IG post and are you familiar with 924 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.480 the term thirst trap? 925 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:08.840 Dave? 926 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, No. 927 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.239 I mean I'm not saying that's what that was. I 928 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:16.840 just yeah, sure, not the post. 929 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.360 Or Do you feel confident that you showed well enough 930 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:21.960 to save your job moving forward? 931 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:25.760 Yeah? 932 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.360 Yeah, I think so. You know, I was peppering in 933 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.239 the Philly connections, you know, yeah, playing that angle for sure. 934 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.280 Did he know who you were? 935 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.800 Yeah, we've we've had a relationship for about ten years now. 936 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:43.639 So for sure. 937 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.800 I never had a chance other than at a game 938 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.239 to chat with him, so to have a three hour 939 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.800 dinner and you hear stories and just everything. 940 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:53.079 Under the sun. 941 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.480 He is the same guy on cameras off camera, just 942 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:02.880 delightful and entertaining and opinion. And yeah, it was really cool. 943 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.440 See that's what makes him who he is though, right, 944 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.920 I mean, I had an opportunity when the knickt retired 945 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.039 Ewen's number. We all went back and my son at 946 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.800 the time was like one and a half and I 947 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.719 was holding my son in my arms and Patrick brought 948 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.440 us all over to me Charles, and Charles looked at 949 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.320 my son and his nose was running, and he grabbed 950 00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.559 my son out of my arms, wiped his nose with 951 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.400 his hand, and gave him back to me. I mean, 952 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.760 it's just like this, and my mom got a picture 953 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.599 of it. It's like the coolest moment. It really is who, right, 954 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:39.039 like who these people watch on inside the NBA and 955 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.800 see Charles, that's exactly who he is when he's not 956 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:42.559 on television. 957 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:44.480 But that's what makes him great, wouldn't you say? 958 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:45.880 Yeah? 959 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:46.280 For sure? 960 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.360 And you know, we tried to kind of discuss the 961 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.519 secret thoughts of the show, just you know as being 962 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:56.440 fans of the show, and he didn't. There's some methods 963 00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:00.199 to the man. That's where he and Shack and any 964 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.360 like they don't want to talk about the topics ahead 965 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.599 of time, Like that's all on ej. Ernie has the 966 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.559 traffic in his head and then they'll spring it on 967 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.800 those guys when the red camera light is already on, 968 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.440 and you get the spontaneity, you get the improvisation. And 969 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:22.440 then also Charles very cognitive the fact that, like he said, 970 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.239 he knows that the hardcore basketball fans are going to 971 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:29.159 find the programming and he wants if the husband is 972 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.639 watching with his wife that she's entertained, or if the 973 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.360 you know, the kid is watching with his parents, and 974 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.800 his parents aren't necessarily sports fans, they're both entertained. Which 975 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.519 is it's just a really great way to look at 976 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.400 the gig that he's in, because Charles loves basketball as 977 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.320 much as anybody else, but he wants to have more 978 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.280 people love basketball, and you got to peel as the 979 00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:51.920 casual fan. 980 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.199 So I've heard a couple of different things about Ernie. Okay, 981 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:01.519 and let me be clear, with all respect to your bride, 982 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.920 who I think is very elite at her job and 983 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.719 everyone over there that does a good job that I 984 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.360 don't know that that show works without Ernie. Dave, is 985 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.119 he making the move too? Has that announcement been made? 986 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:18.920 Ernie is making the move. He's tremendous. Charles, let us 987 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.320 be known. I don't think I'm talking out of school here, 988 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.440 because you know, I think he's been very reverent when 989 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.519 he talked about Ernie in the past. He is doing 990 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:32.199 this next iteration of the show for two reasons. One 991 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.679 because of all of the people behind the scenes that 992 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.320 he's developed a relationship with over two decades. You know, 993 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.800 the camera ops, the producers, show grip, etc. 994 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:45.199 Etc. 995 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.880 At craft services, all those folks that he's gotten to 996 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:54.880 know them and their families. A lot of them were really, yeah, 997 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:59.679 very worried about not having a gig if Inside didn't continue. 998 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.960 So that's a principal reason why Charles is continuing. But 999 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.480 the other one he shared this with us is Ernie. 1000 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:11.960 Ernie is my teammate, and uh, Ernie asked me to 1001 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.639 stay on in this new kind of deal because Charles 1002 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:18.880 said last year he was actually ready to to, you know, 1003 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:23.000 finish out this year and walk, but it was important 1004 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.599 to Ernie, and it was important obviously for him to 1005 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.360 have all those other folks still have a way to 1006 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:32.679 feed the families. And yeah, you know Bernie is he 1007 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:39.760 is so good at being totally seemingly buttoned up while 1008 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.960 being able to throw in like a side one liner 1009 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.280 that is as funny as anything that Charles or Shack 1010 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.760 could say, which is tremendous. 1011 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.199 Well, he also Dave, from my perspective, since you asked, you, 1012 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:56.079 didn't he understand He understands those guys, and and that 1013 00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.280 that's a really underrated thing for a studio host who 1014 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.519 works with complicated personalities to be able to understand them. 1015 00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.920 And that doesn't happen overnight. I mean, I've had different 1016 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.039 radio co hosts and at the start of the show 1017 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.840 that we launch him like I don't know what's gonna work, 1018 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:12.880 And after a few years we kind of get each 1019 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.400 other's rhythm and cadence and understand the personalities. Like Ernie 1020 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.559 gets those three in a way that I'm not sure 1021 00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.280 anybody could, at least not initially. 1022 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.440 Yeah, he plays the notes that can kind of get 1023 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.360 each of their engines revving and then play them off 1024 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.199 of one another as well, which is a great way 1025 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:36.559 man cadence is so apt. It's such an apt way 1026 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.519 to describe it. And you know, obviously he's a host, 1027 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.000 but it comes down to being a reporter and having 1028 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.719 journalistic instcts too, is observation skills, and then obviously, I 1029 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.880 mean he's a top tier human being too, so I 1030 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.760 think the long hours that are that are required as 1031 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.719 a job like that. You know, the way Charles spoke 1032 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.559 about Ernie last night, he doesn't want to let to 1033 00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.039 earn it down because Ernie, you know, had so much 1034 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.719 professional pride and again, it's such a good person when 1035 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:05.679 the camera's not running. 1036 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:06.840 That's really cool. 1037 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.639 All right, before we get to the finals, Billy Donovan, 1038 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:17.119 Quinn Snyder, Emy Udoka, Jason Kidd, Chris Finch. Like the 1039 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:21.159 Knick's response to the best season they've had in twenty 1040 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.199 five years was to fire a really good coach with 1041 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:25.480 no contingency plan. 1042 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.880 It's like comically embarrassing. 1043 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.400 I mean, it is a clown car, a clown busk, 1044 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.880 a clown playing call whatever you want. I shouldn't be 1045 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.039 stunned because of that idiot who owns the team and 1046 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.599 as for twenty seven years, this is just who he is. 1047 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.159 But what's your reaction to the way they've handled this, 1048 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.599 and who do you think ultimately they land on and why. 1049 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:51.920 Yeah, so I'll start with the candidates they've reached out about, 1050 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:56.280 like this is completely unprecedented. It'll happen where maybe you'll 1051 00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:59.880 reach out to one. I've never seen anything like this, 1052 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.400 to the point where I'm lean the arena after Game three, 1053 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.119 I see Casey Johnson's report, who's a Chicago based NBA reporter, 1054 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.679 that the Bulls have not granted permission and rejected the 1055 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.280 request by the next to speak to the Donovan and 1056 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.760 I'm like, man, I guess I gotta do my due 1057 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.719 diligence out and check in with the Lakers because she's like, 1058 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.880 they're afting for everyone right now. And I know I 1059 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.119 had to send a text just to make sure they 1060 00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.199 hadn't asked for JJ Reddick, and I almost felt silly 1061 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:33.800 doing so. But if they're going to be trying to 1062 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.039 ask five or six other guys who already have a job, 1063 00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.639 then who's to say they wouldn't with JJ Reddick. That 1064 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.599 part is wild to me. I think also, as you said, 1065 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:47.480 with James Dolan, it's pretty transparent. Now the team tried 1066 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.199 to make it seem like this was a decision by 1067 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.000 Leon Rose. It didn't make sense in the moment because 1068 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.280 we all are aware that Leon Rose was dumpted it 1069 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.440 as agent and they are very very close. And then 1070 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.400 I think think leonn Rose in his over the top 1071 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.440 statement about tib still being family in the release about 1072 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.119 him losing his job, was his way of saying like, hey, 1073 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.840 this this actually was not me. And now you say, okay, 1074 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.679 is this some grand scheme? And then this is an 1075 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.960 opinion shared by Gilbert Arenas on this podcast. I got 1076 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.840 to give credit there, but you know, sometimes Gilbert can be, 1077 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.719 you know, a tinfoil half guy. But it might make 1078 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.440 sense is that we're going to reach out to a 1079 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.719 bunch of guys that we know we have no business 1080 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.000 getting and then we can say, well, we did our 1081 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.679 due diligence and Rick Brunston gets the job. Like I mean, 1082 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.719 that's Gilbert's opinion. A way it could go, but at 1083 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.719 this point that would seem just as feasible as any 1084 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:45.719 other scenario that'sented thus far. 1085 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.760 Well, and whoever they hired Dave, you know, the intro 1086 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.519 press conference, one of the New York guys, maybe I 1087 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:53.320 Sola or whoever is going to like, hey, how does 1088 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:54.760 it feel to be the sixth choice? 1089 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:55.000 Man? 1090 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.480 Like, you know, that's going to be a narrative to 1091 00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.400 whoever the coaches will have to deal with as long 1092 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.679 as he's coached that team. 1093 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.519 Yeah, and listen, I mean when the Lakers replaced Luke Walt, 1094 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.039 they offer the job to Toronto Loo, they offered the 1095 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.639 job to John Howard. Ultimately it went to Frank Frank Vogel, 1096 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.199 and that felt like, wow, like you're gonna at the 1097 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.320 third choice here, but yeah, this guy will be the 1098 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.280 sixth choice or later, which is It's just it's just absurd, 1099 00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.840 and you know, I the teams will push back and say, well, 1100 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.360 you know what, there's only thirty few jobs and whoever 1101 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:35.360 gets it will be happy to take it, you know, 1102 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.800 Jordan not. Maybe you think he's walking into a tough 1103 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.280 situation in Phoenix with Bradley Beal's no trade clause and 1104 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:44.760 Kevin Durant probably going out and you know, not a 1105 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.679 lot of trade assets to speak of moving forward. But hey, man, 1106 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.599 he's one of the guys. He got one of the 1107 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.000 thirty spots, so he'll be happy to have it. And 1108 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.159 maybe they're justified to some degree in taking that position. 1109 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.039 But if they really want to end this championship drought, 1110 00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:04.239 and that's what's motivating the decision, you are certainly not 1111 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.599 setting the person who remember it is that you end 1112 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:11.159 up hiring up for success based on their entry into 1113 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.119 the job. It will be a circus to begin the 1114 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.840 year based on the way they've handled the last two weeks. 1115 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.119 Yeah, well said, all right, before we get to the finals. 1116 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:24.760 What conversations can you share as far as your sourcing 1117 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:30.119 goes concerning the rumored drama and player movement this offseason, 1118 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.440 Giannis Durant. Everyone on the Celtics, apparently outside of Tatum 1119 00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.159 and others. I mean, you hear rumors almost every single 1120 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.000 day about not just bit pieces, but legitimate star players 1121 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.719 that could be changing teams, that could move and change 1122 00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.119 the landscape or league. How real are these rumors and 1123 00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.360 do you think we'll see a number of them actually 1124 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:51.039 come to fruition. 1125 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.400 It is something that's been repeated by a lot of 1126 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.039 folks that I speak to, and obviously we have the 1127 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.880 stuff above the surface that we've seen far the reporting 1128 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:07.119 by Seams Sharania, especially the Kevin Durant situation. Shams did 1129 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.400 a report today saying that that that could be coming, 1130 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.719 you know, even sooner than say Draft night. I think 1131 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.480 a lot of us were thinking that that would be 1132 00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.320 the first domino to fall. On Wednesday, that's when we 1133 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.519 see a lot of this movement occur. But basically, Sham's 1134 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:26.719 reported that not only had the team list that Durant's 1135 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:31.199 representation had kind of provided to the Sun's already been 1136 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.239 cut down from five or six teams down to three, 1137 00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.079 that this could happen in the next couple of days. 1138 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:42.440 So that's significant. And once that happens, yeah, I think 1139 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:46.519 then you'll see the people who might have been in 1140 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.880 the running for Durant. Maybe they changed their sites towards 1141 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.400 ye honest, maybe they said change their sights towards Jalen 1142 00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.480 Brown and Drew Holliday and Chriszingis. Like I think, on 1143 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.519 the Boston front, we're pretty positive that Drew Holliday and 1144 01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.440 Prisoner's going to be moved to avoid the punitive luxury 1145 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.000 tax for a team that without Jason Tatum will not 1146 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.320 be competing for a championship next year. So that's a given. 1147 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.400 And those are two significant pieces, and then Durant is 1148 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.800 certainly a given. And once you talk about that, and 1149 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.280 then you throw in the fact that outside of Cooper Flag, 1150 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.079 there's not like a consensus of two through eight in 1151 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.360 this draft. Then you can see teams trading down as well. 1152 01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.000 And when teams are willing to trade down and draft 1153 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:41.159 picks of that quote unquote value get started moving around, 1154 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.320 then you see big names being moved around as well. 1155 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:44.760 So I do think. 1156 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:49.000 There's some fire to the smoke, and really, yeah, I 1157 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.519 think it will really just all start to come together 1158 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:52.880 with Drank gets moved. 1159 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.360 Since we are in Salt Lake City, I'm quite sure 1160 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.440 the answer will be a very emphatic no. But have 1161 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.760 you heard anything since you and I last spoke about 1162 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.519 the as taking phone calls on Lowry Marketing and Walker Kessler. 1163 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:05.480 No. 1164 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.360 The only thing you know all that front that you know, 1165 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.239 and this is I'm sure we've had this conversation to 1166 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:16.360 some degree over the last eighteen months that Walker Kessler 1167 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.079 remains the name that the Lakers are intrigued by whether 1168 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.800 that would lead to any sort of deal. You know, 1169 01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.920 obviously last year the asking price was too too steep, 1170 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:31.440 and obviously the Lakers ended up pivoting those assets that 1171 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.559 they were considering moving to the Jets to get Kessler 1172 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.079 in order to do the Luca trade. So you know 1173 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.320 that came off the table after the Luca trade, but 1174 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.440 if they do revisit it, you know that that remains 1175 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:48.360 a player that the Lakers feel could fit the voids 1176 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.559 that they have at center. Again, I'm not reporting anything's 1177 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.480 moving towards or picking up steam or anything like that, 1178 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:57.679 but Kessler remains on the Lakers radar. 1179 01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.960 Let me just follow up real quick, what what frame 1180 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.559 work of a deal would make sense? And do they 1181 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:04.639 have draft capital because you know that's what Austin and 1182 01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:05.719 is going to be asking for. 1183 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.760 So they do have a twenty thirty one first round 1184 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:13.920 draft pick ticket trade and then a don't connect who 1185 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.840 had a really good first half of the season and 1186 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.000 then you know, not so great, looked more like a 1187 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.559 rookie in the secondlf of the season and really wasn't 1188 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.719 trusted by JJ Reddick in the high leverage moments in 1189 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:29.840 the playoffs. However, he's a guy who you know, he 1190 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:34.599 can put up numbers and it could could could become 1191 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.679 you know, no delicate way to say this could become 1192 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.119 a fan brave it in Utah as a you know, 1193 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:45.000 hoigh scoring white guy, So you know there there could 1194 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.880 be some sort of package to be had around that. 1195 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.039 I mean, quite frankly, any sort of package the Lakers 1196 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.079 would be pursuing would involve that twenty thirty one first 1197 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:57.000 round draft pick, Connect because obviously he showed some value 1198 01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.639 and it still could be looked at as like kind 1199 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.760 of like a restaurant draft picks. And then the expiant 1200 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:08.280 contract of Gabe Vincent and Derrick Vanderbilt. Like, that's kind 1201 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.599 of the stuff the Lakers have to work with, and 1202 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.280 they'll see what the market can give them back for 1203 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:14.519 those assets. 1204 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:16.559 So you want us to trade our exciting, big white 1205 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.280 guy for the underwhelming white guy that can shoot it 1206 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:20.960 in Saul, late Dave, is that what you're asking us 1207 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:21.159 to do? 1208 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.599 I mean, yeah, I don't know. 1209 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:26.920 Is that much more exciting than Connect? 1210 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:28.400 Fair? Fair? 1211 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.639 He's good and he would play well in Los Angeles, 1212 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:33.239 a good player. But we'll move on. Now, we can 1213 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.719 move on. Hey, before I ask you about the game tonight, 1214 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.400 you know, I've got my brother and sister in law 1215 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.239 live in Carmel, Indiana, and a couple of my nephews 1216 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.679 went to Game three. What's the what's the feel around? 1217 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.360 And I know I teach you about the small market stuff. 1218 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:51.039 It's a great basketball state, it's a great basketball city. 1219 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.639 They haven't had the finals in forever. What's what's the 1220 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.440 feel and the buzz Since you're on the ground of that. 1221 01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.519 Community, it's been really really cool. And Indie is kind 1222 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.599 of in one of the cities where you can stay 1223 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.199 at a hotel downtown and everything's walkable, and because it's kind 1224 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.719 of compact, every business front has some sort of pacer 1225 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.199 signage on it, and very similar I would say to 1226 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.320 okay See. Now, the Indian is bigger than okay See. 1227 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.239 But you know, you're not necessarily needing to leave the 1228 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:26.000 center of the metropolis to you know, experience covering the 1229 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.400 team while you're down here, and so you feel like 1230 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.480 there's a full immersion in it. And you know it 1231 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.320 may seem like a silly thing, but in both Indiana 1232 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.079 and okay See, you see all the fans wearing the 1233 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:40.679 free T shirt giveaway. It creates a visual environment when 1234 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:44.119 you walk into the arena, they are loud, they are 1235 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.440 on their feet. You know, it's cool to see the 1236 01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.880 alumnus of the program coming back. You Reggie Miller sitting 1237 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.920 courtside Oscar Robertson, you know, a legend of the game 1238 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.360 hot if you've played for the Cincinnati Royals, kind of 1239 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:03.360 a Midwest type of legend, type of guy back sitting 1240 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.880 courtside as well. It's kind of like meeting the moment 1241 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.880 of this really good basketball being met by really passionate 1242 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:17.039 fan bases. And you know, no matter what the ratings say, 1243 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.920 if you are watching this game on TV, happen to be, 1244 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.559 you know, part of the shrinking television fan base or 1245 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.679 certainly coming in person, there's no way your walk away 1246 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.039 after three games thus far and not saying this has 1247 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:31.920 been a really good NBA Finals. 1248 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.000 The entire postseason, Dave has been awesome. I talked about 1249 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.199 it to start the show, and yes, it's been And 1250 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:38.920 you know, it's interesting. We'll end on this because I 1251 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.039 got to set you loose. All three of the games 1252 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:44.760 so far have been different, you know, and it's interesting 1253 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:46.599 to watch the chess match between. 1254 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:47.760 Two really really good coaches. 1255 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.000 So, based off of what you've witnessed over the first 1256 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.159 three games, what are you anticipating tonight As far as 1257 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.159 adjustments that dag Nault now has to make after Rick 1258 01:05:57.199 --> 01:05:59.079 Carlisle made some very savvy adjustments. 1259 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.119 Game three, how do you think tonight's going to go? 1260 01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:04.960 Yeah, I mean, listen, they got to find a way 1261 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.440 to try and Shay still put up numbers, but he 1262 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.280 just seemed to be wearing down a little bit by 1263 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.719 the end of the game, and to try to alleviate 1264 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.440 him some of the pressure. You know, maybe you're bringing 1265 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.480 the ball up with case and wallets, bringing the ball 1266 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.039 up with Alex Caruso and not having Shay need to 1267 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:27.400 start the action until catching on the pass pass half 1268 01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.599 court and you know you do that thirty times a game, 1269 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.119 maybe you have, you know, incremental extra energy left your 1270 01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.559 legs when it matters in the fourth quarter because what 1271 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:42.920 they have, what Indiana has right now is a matchup 1272 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:47.840 advantage and throwing Andrew Nemzard on him and his kind 1273 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.000 of mentality and not just his you know, obviously he 1274 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:52.880 had the phisicality and the quickness to be able to 1275 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.480 stay with Shaye, but his mentality of like, he's just 1276 01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:57.639 a dude. I've known since I was a teenager. He's 1277 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:01.119 not some special MVP has allowed them to play really 1278 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.559 good straight one on one defense against him. So thus 1279 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.960 far the series, Chase just shooting seven for twenty in 1280 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.559 one on one possessions against Andrew Neimharn Like, that's been 1281 01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:16.159 a pretty remarkable thing that that Indy found and the 1282 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.119 way Dignaut can combat it is you try to find 1283 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.000 as many situations where Shay is catching it on the 1284 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:27.360 move and not in a one on one just half 1285 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.599 court scenario where you're pounded down the rock and allowing 1286 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:33.559 Indy to set their defense that way. And then I 1287 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:37.000 also think you saw Check have some success in the 1288 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:41.000 first half looking to score quick before Indy could really 1289 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.400 set their defense. And whether it's it's Chet, you saw 1290 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.920 some of it from Loudort also in the first half. 1291 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.599 Just be free and easy and get those shots up 1292 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.679 because the best looks are going to get are going 1293 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.880 to be in the first five seconds for the shot clock. Indy, 1294 01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:01.079 especially with this crowd behind them, they just get more 1295 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:05.239 confident as the possession goes on. So o case he's 1296 01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.000 going to have to try to force some pace against 1297 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.159 this team. 1298 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:10.599 All right, my friend, appreciate the time, enjoy the game 1299 01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:12.440 tonight should be a fun and want old chat soon, Dave, 1300 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:17.520 Thank you, sir him. Dave mcmannon NBA reporter for ESPN. 1301 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.119 Get them on social Media at MC ten is where 1302 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.840 you find him. Tonight's game is three hours away from 1303 01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:27.279 tip Game four Big One in Indianapolis Game Bridge Field House, 1304 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:28.960 and you can hear the game right here on ESPN. 1305 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:32.279 Seven hundred Dave stops by today courtesy of our friends 1306 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:35.439 at Utah Elite Services. 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Our good friends at Utah 1317 01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:10.359 Elite Services, Chris Comraaddie will join us live in studio 1318 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.319 early the four o'clock hour. NBA playoffs resumed tonight. NBA 1319 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.880 Finals resumed tonight six thirty Mountain time, so just under 1320 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.520 two or three hours away excuse me from tip. You 1321 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:24.800 can hear Game four Indiana OKC on our radio station. 1322 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.680 But the third major championship in the world of professional 1323 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.560 golf is going on right now. Our next guest host 1324 01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.119 of Utah Golf Radio to enlighten, illuminate and entertain on 1325 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.039 a Friday afternoon, Paul Pugmyer, Happy Friday, sir, How are you? 1326 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:41.239 I'm so good? It's US Open League Spencer, it. 1327 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.279 Is indeed, I want to start here. What's the hardest 1328 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.119 golf course? Well, actually, have you played Oakmont? If not, 1329 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.600 what's the hardest. What's the hardest golf course you've ever played? 1330 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:54.800 Paul, Oh, the ocean course where the PGA Championship has 1331 01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.800 been held twice. There are a couple of shots on 1332 01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:02.720 that from the tips that just are almost unplayable for mortals, 1333 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:07.800 or maybe they are unplayable. It was such a tough course, 1334 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:09.000 so there's a lot of fun. 1335 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:10.279 Well, I'll tell you what. 1336 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.399 I have never played Oakmont, and it is bringing some 1337 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:18.319 of the world's best golfers to their knees. Paul, tell 1338 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:20.479 us about this track, Why is it playing so difficult? 1339 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.760 It was designed to be difficult. Its conception from the 1340 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:27.159 beginning was to be the hardest course in the world, 1341 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.279 and it has stood up to that for one hundred 1342 01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:34.159 and twenty years. It was built at the turn of 1343 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:39.199 the twentieth century nineteen o three by a steel baron 1344 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:45.319 in Pittsburgh named Henry c. Phones. He got a diagnosis 1345 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.720 that he had a year to live, so he sold out. 1346 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:53.199 He sold to Andrew Carnegie and and his mill became 1347 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:58.199 what eventually was us Steel. And then he took his 1348 01:10:58.239 --> 01:10:59.560 money and he said, what I want to do with 1349 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.680 this year I have left to live is build the 1350 01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:05.279 toughest golf course in the world. Turns out the diagnosis 1351 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:09.079 was wrong. He lived thirty five years more. However, he 1352 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.279 succeeded in building the toughest golf course in the world. 1353 01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.680 He built Oakmont. It is his one and only golf 1354 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.079 course design project. It is one of the classics in 1355 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.239 the world, and it has stood the test of time. 1356 01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:25.319 It is a brute So what specifically I mean. 1357 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.880 I was listening to the coverage, watching some of the 1358 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.720 coverage before the first round, and the guys on the 1359 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.479 Golf channel said, the rough is like five and a 1360 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:34.159 half inches. 1361 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:37.119 The greens are rolling at fourteen, Like, that's so dumb. 1362 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:41.439 I can't even imagine that what specifically about the track 1363 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:42.680 makes it so challenging. 1364 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:48.640 Paul, Well, it's not just that the greens are rolling 1365 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:50.960 at fourteen and they might end up rolling at fifteen 1366 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.399 by the time we get to Sunday. The green complexes 1367 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.239 are among the most severe in the world, and taken 1368 01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.039 as a total of eighteen complexes together, they are the 1369 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.399 most severe green complexes in the world, both in terms 1370 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:10.600 of size and slope and undulation. And then you add 1371 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:13.960 in the speed that we've already mentioned that the putting 1372 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:18.800 of Oakmond is so incredibly difficult. The reugh is a feature, 1373 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:21.680 not a bug. They designed it from the beginning to 1374 01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.960 have big, heavy, thick rough and the fairways are tight, 1375 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.520 the fairways are Hitting the fairway is a big deal. 1376 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.560 It matters when you hit the fairway. If you don't, 1377 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:36.520 you're in that rough and it will take it's a 1378 01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.960 half a shot penalty and in some cases a full 1379 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.479 shot penalty to hit it in the rough. You've just 1380 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:44.840 got to hit the fairway in it. That is such 1381 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.239 a difficult task. The fairways are narrow and the fairways 1382 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:52.359 are sloped as well, so the effective landing area on 1383 01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.399 a fairway is pretty narrow. You can hit it, drive 1384 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.000 the lands on the fairway, but it'll chase through into 1385 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.600 the rough on the low side anyway. 1386 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:02.960 So a couple of the. 1387 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.479 Ways I heard the course described, and certainly some of 1388 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:10.439 the elements you just kind of pointed out very well. 1389 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.720 I felt like, maybe, like when Tony is peaked, Tony, 1390 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.640 this feels like a course. And look, none of these 1391 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.600 guys and we'll get to the players that are playing well. 1392 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:21.159 But whether it's Scotti or Rory, I mean, some of 1393 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.880 the best players in the world are just having a 1394 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:26.079 difficult time. Tony actually played pretty well today, but it 1395 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:28.600 was a seventy six round one followed it with a 1396 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.239 seventy today. And so what do you make of Tony's 1397 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.880 inability to handle a course where based off of the 1398 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.119 outline of the track, I felt like he might have 1399 01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:38.600 a chance to maybe be in this thing. 1400 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.039 I agree with you. I think this is a course 1401 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:46.600 that fits Tony's game. Well, Tony is so strong, so powerful, 1402 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:51.000 he has such long levers, such good hands. He's a 1403 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.640 freak athlete with an incredibly great athletic body, which means 1404 01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:59.520 that he can swing at less than eighty percent. He 1405 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.960 can swing at sixty percent and get plenty out of 1406 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.680 his shot making. But he went into this tournament kind 1407 01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:11.600 of searching in his petting stroke. I think we talked 1408 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:16.039 last week about how he hit the Pett Memorial one handed. 1409 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.800 You cannot go to Oakmont searching for something that won't 1410 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:25.439 let you find it. It will only expose that you 1411 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.640 don't know. And I think that's what happened on the 1412 01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.000 seventy six. The seventy today, which was a terrific round, 1413 01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:34.800 puts him inside the cut line. He'll play the weekend, 1414 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.199 but it also tells me that he's just kind of 1415 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:44.640 accepting what Oakmont will give him. Tony might well play 1416 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.800 himself into a stronger position come the weekend. 1417 01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.439 Our other two local players will not be playing over 1418 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:54.720 the weekend. Zach Blair, who went viral for making like 1419 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.239 a one hundred and twenty yard putt, which is just like, 1420 01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.119 you know, just ridiculous, but I guess you know that's 1421 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.199 the course. And then Preston had a rough day to 1422 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:05.720 day started in eighty So give me your thoughts on 1423 01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:10.439 Zach and Preston will not be playing through the weekend. 1424 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:16.319 This course might simply be too big for Zach Blair's 1425 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:23.840 game Zach's. Zach's game is built on a superb wedge play. Now, 1426 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.800 the one thing that I need to look at the 1427 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.960 numbers and look at the shot link statistics on Zach 1428 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.760 Zach's first two rounds. But if he was missing the 1429 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.239 fairways at all, and I mean at all, the course 1430 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:42.479 is just too big for the second shot and a 1431 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:47.560 five inch rough and the reality is you're not going 1432 01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:52.159 to hit every fairway at Okemont. Nobody is. So there's 1433 01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:58.520 that for Preston Summer Hayes. Preston just began his professional 1434 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:01.520 career last week on the Corn Ferry Tour. He got 1435 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:06.000 corn Fairy status by finishing seventh in PJ Tour university 1436 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.800 ranking coming out of college this year, so he's just 1437 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.119 getting his feet under him as a pro. It still 1438 01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.520 was out of character for him to be that much 1439 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.239 over Park. I don't really know what was happening with 1440 01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.920 Preston except that holy cow oakemand is hard. 1441 01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:26.039 Yeah, and another player who, barring a really fast finish, 1442 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:28.439 will not be playing over the weekend, as Rory McElroy. 1443 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.079 Paul and I believe this marks his third straight tournament 1444 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:33.520 since he was able to get that Grand Slam under 1445 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:35.520 his belt where he will not be playing over the weekend. 1446 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:37.680 But I want to add another layer to the question. 1447 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:41.039 He's turned into this like whiny little baby. You know, 1448 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.600 he's like, he won't talk to the media. He's complaining, 1449 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.199 he's like a petulant little child, And honestly, I think 1450 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:50.239 that's the wrong approach because it feels like when he's 1451 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:53.680 front facing and communicating, it's actually better for his game. 1452 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:55.600 The guys on the Golf channel were talking about it 1453 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:57.960 last night. What do you think's going on with him? 1454 01:16:58.000 --> 01:16:59.600 I'm kind of soured on him for now, if I'm 1455 01:16:59.600 --> 01:16:59.920 honest with. 1456 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.600 Yeah, Oh, I hear you, and I feel you, and 1457 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:06.920 I share your view. I'm saddened by it because I 1458 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.079 think Rory is one of the great people in the game. 1459 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:13.680 Clearly a great player, but he's one of the best 1460 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.760 thinkers in the game. He's one of the best ambassadors 1461 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:21.199 of the game. And he has been acting childish since 1462 01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:26.039 a guest and I don't understand why, but heck, he 1463 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.600 launched a club a few minutes ago. I might have 1464 01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:34.640 it up on my auxiliary monitor here at work, and 1465 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.239 Rory hit a pretty crummy shot and he launched the 1466 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:43.319 club out of his follow through now. He threw it forward, 1467 01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.279 which you know is good strategy. Don't ever throw a 1468 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:52.319 club backward. But it's sad. It's sad to me that 1469 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:58.279 a player, a man of his excellence, is allowing himself 1470 01:17:58.279 --> 01:17:59.079 to behave like this. 1471 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.479 It's very disappoint You're a lot kinder than I on 1472 01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:05.399 I think he's a baby. I just think it's just ridiculous. 1473 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.239 Let's let's move over and give some flowers where they're due. 1474 01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:12.239 I mean, Bryson's not playing well, Wyndham's not playing well. 1475 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.600 Shane Lowry is one of the he's near the bottom 1476 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.199 of this like it's wild to watch this challenge. Really 1477 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:21.439 take it, take it out of the best players in 1478 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.279 the world. But let's give Sam Burns a little credit 1479 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:26.399 because he found a sixty. He's found a sixty five today. Paul, 1480 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.359 after a rough finish yesterday, did card of seventy two, 1481 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:31.760 which is a fine score. But he goes low to 1482 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:34.520 day sixty five. He along with JJ, of course, who 1483 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.560 deserves a lot of credit. There are leaders as of now, 1484 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.359 so give me your thoughts on the two at the 1485 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:39.199 top of the leaderboard. 1486 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:45.600 Both of them need to prove that they belong in 1487 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.720 the conversation as being among the best players in the world. 1488 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.600 Both of them are on the cusp of being in 1489 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:54.479 the conversation of being among the best players in the world. 1490 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:58.800 I JJ Spawn, of course, was in He's been getting 1491 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.680 better statistically over the past few years. He is firmly 1492 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:05.560 inside the top twenty in the world right now, but 1493 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:09.439 he hasn't yet gotten over the top on a big win. 1494 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.880 He nearly did it with the Players Championship earlier this spring. 1495 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:18.079 He took Rory McElroy to a playoff, and look, if 1496 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.439 you're making it to a playoff at the Players on 1497 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:23.560 TPC Sawgrass, you are playing great golf on a great 1498 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:29.399 golf course against a great field. Sam Burns again a 1499 01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:34.880 really terrific player. He's had a solid PGA career, lashes 1500 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:38.239 of greatness, but he hasn't done He hasn't gotten over 1501 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:40.800 the top on a big win yet. Both of these 1502 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:45.199 players need that to cemit their status as being among 1503 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.439 the best players in the world. They both need this 1504 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.760 win this week, and they're both doing things that you've 1505 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:56.600 got to do. Look, Spawns round yesterday is not sustainable. 1506 01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:00.279 He had seven puts of longer than seven feet to 1507 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.800 save par. You can't do that four days in a 1508 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:08.119 row at Oakmont, nobody can. But today he's been making 1509 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:12.800 pars by keeping it on short grass. Go JJ, that's 1510 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:18.399 incredibly impressive. Burns sixty five today a monster round and 1511 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:23.239 he kept it in play. He had one bogey on 1512 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.640 the card, still didn't have a clean card. Those are 1513 01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.119 very very rare at Okamont. But Burns sixty five today 1514 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:33.600 is very impressive. And his seventy two yesterday two over 1515 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:37.880 parr but it didn't knock him out of the tournament, 1516 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:41.199 and so his sixty five today mattered and there he 1517 01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:42.920 is t one all. 1518 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.279 Right, Paul, Before we find out what's on the show tomorrow, 1519 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.319 history tells us that in a US Open such as this, 1520 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:53.479 when it comes to second round behind us, the winner 1521 01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:55.439 is probably going to come from the group that's within 1522 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.760 four shots of the lead. So that tells us that 1523 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.600 obviously Sam and JJ, Victor Hovelin's in that mix. Adam 1524 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:06.640 Scott as of now, is in that mix, My guy 1525 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:09.720 Sam Stevens is in that mix. But right outside of it, 1526 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.039 of course, Brooks cap gets a major championship, so Brooks 1527 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:14.920 usually shows up, even though the past few you haven't 1528 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.520 been great. So I'll ask you, do you agree that 1529 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.119 the data indicates that the winner will come from this 1530 01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:24.000 group that's been within four shots at the lead or 1531 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.880 are you willing to expand that to include a Brooks 1532 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.960 Koepka or Xander Schaffle or of course a Scotty Scheffler. 1533 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.439 Like So that's kind of where we're at right now. 1534 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:34.399 What are your thoughts? 1535 01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:39.159 I think Scheffler's too far out, but you know, Scheffler 1536 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.079 shot at seventy one. Today he's at plus four, which 1537 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:46.479 is t twenty six. But I'm totally willing to expand 1538 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:51.039 it because this is Oakmont. Nobody will go get the 1539 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:54.079 winners at Oakmont. It happened once in the history of 1540 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:58.000 the game, and that was nineteen seventy three with Utah's 1541 01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:02.079 own Johnny Miller, when he shot six on Sunday to 1542 01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:04.760 jump up thirty spots on the on the leaderboard and 1543 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:08.399 win the US Open. It remains I think the greatest 1544 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:16.399 single round ever played the But you just can't expect 1545 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.239 that that level of history will be made again, which 1546 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:23.319 means people are going to come backward, not forward, and 1547 01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:28.640 that brings more scores into play. Nobody will have four 1548 01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:34.279 rounds of good scores at this tournament. And so if 1549 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:40.560 Brooks keptk is seventy too, today is his week round 1550 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.640 and you know he pairs it with his sixty eight yesterday. 1551 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.319 Pardon his seventy four today. If that's his week round 1552 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:49.159 and he's had a sixty eight, if they if he 1553 01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.880 has strong rounds over the weekend, he could be right 1554 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.880 in the mix. He's just six back. I totally think 1555 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:59.960 Kepkik is still in the mix. I think Adam Scott 1556 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.079 definitely in the mix. And boy, wouldn't that be interesting 1557 01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:05.960 to see Adam Scott finally get a US Open. Victor 1558 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:10.399 Hoblin has to be taken totally seriously. He currently sits 1559 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.359 at minus one and he has his sixty eight today. 1560 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:19.159 In the books, he's done. The rest of these players, 1561 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:23.119 the Spawns, Burns, Thomas Dietrie a really nice player who's 1562 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:25.920 had a solid career, but he hasn't done anything big yet. 1563 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:28.840 Tristan Lawrence, who's made a lot of noise on the 1564 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:32.000 DP World Tour old in Europe, hasn't done anything in 1565 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:36.800 the States yet. Ben Griffin really interesting player. He's been 1566 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.199 on SiZ lately. He's had a very strong year. Griffin's 1567 01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:42.239 going to make the Ryder Cup team. This is a 1568 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:47.039 Ryder Cup player, and so it'd be interesting to see 1569 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:51.039 him really step forward and make some noise. He's in 1570 01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:53.640 the mix as well. But I am totally willing to 1571 01:23:53.680 --> 01:24:00.479 expand that statistically established four strokes after two rounds number. 1572 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.840 I think we can take it to seven. Because it's Oakmont. 1573 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.119 All right, Paul, Before I say you, Louise, tell our 1574 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:08.159 listeners what's coming up on what should be a fun 1575 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:09.000 show for you tomorrow. 1576 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:11.880 Yeah, it's gonna We're going to have fun. We're going 1577 01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:13.840 to do a lot of Oakmont and US Open stuff. 1578 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:18.720 Danny Summer Hayes, he had a T eight, a top 1579 01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:22.079 ten in the US Open in two thy sixteen when 1580 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.039 it was last played there. We're going to talk with 1581 01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.640 Danny about his experience playing Oakmont. And we're gonna get 1582 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:32.079 Guy yoakum Utah, Golf Hall of Famer from Golf Digest, 1583 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.000 and we're going to get him on to talk about 1584 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:39.720 Johnny Miller's sixty three in nineteen seventy three, the greatest 1585 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:44.359 round of golf ever played. Guy yoakum is just he 1586 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.880 is all knowledge on this stuff. It's going to be great. 1587 01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:48.479 We're going to be talking a lot of us open, 1588 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:52.039 a lot of Oakmont and we will be at Glenn 1589 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:57.319 Moore tomorrow for the Utah Golf Association Junior State am 1590 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.560 the state championship for the kid It gets underway tomorrow 1591 01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:02.279 at Glenmore. 1592 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:04.600 Paul, thank you, sir. Enjoy the rest of the tournament. 1593 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:05.520 We'll chat next week. 1594 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:07.399 Can't wait. Thanks so much. 1595 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:09.920 Hi, there is Paul Pugmyer you Tah Golf Radio Tour 1596 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.920 Talk with Paul pug Meyer is brought to you today 1597 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.039 by Camclad. 1598 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:14.880 Choose beyond Today. 1599 01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:19.039 Choose Camclad Moore information at camclad dot com, join us 1600 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:22.439 live and studio. Jamie Aslett the general manager of Keto's Brewing. Jamie, 1601 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.199 how are you. Let's get her Mike up just a 1602 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.479 little bit, Jamie. I'm great, love your brewery. By the way, 1603 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.199 you guys do an excellent job. So you're just getting 1604 01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:33.880 back from the North American Brewers Competition and you guys 1605 01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:34.600 won some events. 1606 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:36.199 There are some medals. Let's hear about it. 1607 01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:36.640 We did. 1608 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:38.960 We won two golds in a bronze. 1609 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.640 Okay, so which beers won the golds. 1610 01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.039 My Blondale and a Suki Sake Ricelogger which was a 1611 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:45.439 collaboration with Suki Sock. 1612 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.560 Okay, tell me about the blondale. What do you want 1613 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:48.319 our listeners to know? 1614 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.640 Uh, it is a crisp, clean ale which just enough 1615 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:55.479 sweetness to showcase a delicate Mault backbone balanced with pine 1616 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:58.119 and citrus notes from the usage of cascade and comet hops. 1617 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:00.720 And the second one you said it was your Suki Sake. 1618 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:04.640 So Suki Sake is a local sake producer and we 1619 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:07.800 did a collaboration with their sake mix and sushi grade 1620 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.560 rice to make it a rice lagger saki beer. 1621 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:12.600 I didn't even know that was a thing because I 1622 01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.399 was going to ask you what the differences between cause 1623 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.640 if you go eat sushi, you usually get sake. I 1624 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.880 didn't know you can make a saki beer. Very interesting. 1625 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.920 You can make a rice lagger. A lot of places have. 1626 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.119 Those are the differences. We can use the sake, but 1627 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.840 it has to be made with fifty one percent grain. Okay, 1628 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:30.640 so it has to be fifty one percent rice, then sake. 1629 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:31.840 How did you get into this? 1630 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:32.000 So? 1631 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:35.359 How did you develop your love for brewing and making beer? 1632 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:36.560 What's the origin store here? 1633 01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:39.000 I don't make the beer, I just drink the beer. 1634 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:39.840 You just drink the beer. 1635 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.680 I have a great brew staff, and I am super 1636 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.000 happy that I can just showcase them and support everything 1637 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:45.399 that they do. 1638 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.600 Are you local? Are you from our market? 1639 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:48.920 I am from Idaho originally. 1640 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:50.119 You're from Idaho originally? 1641 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:51.800 So how did you kind of make your way to 1642 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:53.560 running the ship over at Kido's. 1643 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:55.520 It's a hard opportunity to pass up it. 1644 01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:56.000 Sure is. 1645 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:59.680 So have you worked in the service restaurant industry for 1646 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:00.920 an I. 1647 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:02.479 Have been in customer service industry for. 1648 01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:06.119 US summer service. Okay, very nice. Finally, coffee creaml one 1649 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:07.880 of bronze. Let's hear about this one. 1650 01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:10.680 It is what we call the morning beer. It is 1651 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:11.720 what a lot of golfers drink. 1652 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:13.199 Okay, good morning on the golf course. 1653 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:15.359 A little be coffee in it. We use King Peak 1654 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:17.439 roast some coffee beans for us, so we use the 1655 01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:18.239 real coffee beans. 1656 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:18.680 Okay. 1657 01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:20.279 So if you're a golfer and you have an early 1658 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:21.960 tea time, this is something you could consider. 1659 01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:22.680 Breakfast beer. 1660 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:24.600 Breakfast beer. I like it. I like it. Okay. So 1661 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:26.119 you guys are celebrating eight. 1662 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.159 Years coming up right yep in September. 1663 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:30.840 Right before I set you loose locations website what do 1664 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:31.680 you want our listeners to know? 1665 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.199 Ketosbrewing dot com. We're at six o' we eight West 1666 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:36.920 seven hundred South in Salt Lake. And if you're looking 1667 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:39.840 for the freshest beer, we just canned our hazy double 1668 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:41.800 IPA about a couple hours ago. 1669 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:43.960 Very nice, and I would imagine your beers are also 1670 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:46.760 in state liquor stores right available for people to get there. 1671 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:49.479 Yes, liquor stores, some in the grocery stores, bars and 1672 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:52.319 restaurants all over. But we make over fifty different beers 1673 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:54.000 and they're available at the taproom. 1674 01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.720 Okay, some in the grocery store. Finally, goodness, gracious, well, Jamie, 1675 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:58.760 nice to meet you, Thanks for coming in. Okay, thanks 1676 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.520 for having me, Jamie asked Led, general manager of Keto's Brewing. 1677 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.800 They just wont two gold medals and a bronze at 1678 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:06.600 the North American Brewers competition. So some good stuff there, 1679 01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:10.319 Blondale gold for the Sukisake rice lagger and a bronze 1680 01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:12.800 for the coffee creamal So definitely check him out, all right, 1681 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:14.920 Two hours down, two hours to go. Chris Camaraddi joins 1682 01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:16.800 us live in studio, coming up next right here on 1683 01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:18.359 ESPN seven hundred. 1684 01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:26.159 Ketos means thank you in finish expressing gratitude. Keto's Brewing, 1685 01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:29.960 a locally born brewery, expresses that gratitude with every pore, 1686 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:33.560 from their Great American Beer Fest Gold medal winning Blondale 1687 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.600 Coffee Cream Ale, the BlackBerry Sour, which is the best 1688 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.399 selling sour in Utah, to the only true gluten free 1689 01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:41.720 ale in Utah. There's something for everyone. 1690 01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.399 Taste for yourself at their taphouse, downtown bars around the city, 1691 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:48.399 grocery stores or local liquor stores, or can be found 1692 01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:53.640 at Keto'sbrewing dot com. I do feel like this song 1693 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.159 encapsulates what our next guest means to The Drive Live 1694 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.279 Monday through Friday, two to six. Chris comm live in 1695 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:04.439 studio on a Friday. Used to probably like exclusively Fridays, 1696 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:04.920 and we got. 1697 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:05.680 You on a Friday. 1698 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:09.119 Well it's it's summertime. Yeah, and my significant other is 1699 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:11.800 no longer working public educator. 1700 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:15.079 Yes, so I am. I am free of my constraints. Well, 1701 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:18.279 we appreciate you. Rolling in Beach Boys fan Brian Wilson 1702 01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:18.840 passing this. 1703 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.800 Week, huge fan. Yeah, I was listening to Fresh Air 1704 01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:26.479 and they re aired his last two interviews with Terry 1705 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:30.199 gross In nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight and very 1706 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:34.000 fascinating guy, very very sad story like you if you 1707 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:38.840 don't know about Brian Wilson, like a very depressing but 1708 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:41.880 also enlightening human being, like went through a lot of 1709 01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.159 mental health challenges, sure, but a genius in his own right. 1710 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.920 And this song is one of my favorites of all 1711 01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:51.439 time for a lot of reasons. But it always reminds 1712 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:53.600 me of the end of Boogie Nights for sure, with 1713 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.720 the Buck super Stereo world like it. Yeah, it was. 1714 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.920 It was fascinating to listen to Brian Wilson himself talk 1715 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.840 about all of his stuff in these old interviews. 1716 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:06.319 This week, I'll have to check that. I mean, I've 1717 01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.359 seen the documentaries. And then there was a movie made, 1718 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:11.560 Love and Mercy, which was excellent. 1719 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:12.680 I lucked out. 1720 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:16.159 When I was ten years old, my uncle Nate played 1721 01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:17.359 in a beach Boys cover. 1722 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:18.399 Band called Surf's Up. 1723 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:21.840 Naturally, they played a lagoon and I thought he was 1724 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:24.239 like a beach boy wow, you know. And so when 1725 01:30:24.279 --> 01:30:30.319 we moved back East, my uncle Nate, to his credit, yeah, 1726 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.039 to his ever living credit. Quite frankly, I think he 1727 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:34.720 knew this was going to be a difficult move for 1728 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:37.399 a ten year old. Sure, he gave me pet sounds 1729 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.479 on tape. Okay, wow, because I had a walkman at 1730 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.079 the time, not even a dismand this was nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, 1731 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.079 he gave me pet sounds on tape. He gave me 1732 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:50.079 Revolver on tape, Sergeant Pepper's on tape, and then another 1733 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.319 Beach Boys. He gave me two Beatles albums and two 1734 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:53.840 Beach Boys albums on tape. 1735 01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:55.560 Why haven't we hung out with Uncle Nate? Is he 1736 01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:56.079 still around? 1737 01:30:56.079 --> 01:30:56.199 Oh? 1738 01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:57.439 He's around. He's the best. 1739 01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.119 Why haven't we hung out with Uncle Nate? 1740 01:30:59.199 --> 01:30:59.479 He is? 1741 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.319 You know, let's do it? Is he? 1742 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.800 Is he a namesake for your brother? Don't you have 1743 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:05.119 a brother? 1744 01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:05.520 Yes? 1745 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.800 Yeah, my brother Nate was named after my uncle Nate. No, 1746 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:09.159 my uncle Nate lives in Bountiful. 1747 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:10.720 Yeah. I think he has five or six kids, a 1748 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:11.840 bunch of grandkids now. 1749 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.000 Too, Would Uncle Nate want to hang out with Nate bench? 1750 01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.439 Yes, and now that's all I want, quite frankly. No, 1751 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:21.399 he's the sweetest guy and he very much colored my 1752 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:24.159 musical taste as a kid, which I'm very grateful for. 1753 01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:25.800 And he so he introduced me to the Beach Boys. 1754 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:28.279 Greatest American rock band of all time? 1755 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:34.479 Oh yeah, probably, I think most influential at the time. 1756 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:36.399 I mean, like, if the Beatles don't burst out of 1757 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:38.319 the scene, I think the Beach Boys ride out the 1758 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:43.319 sixties basically dominating that decade. But the Liverpool Invasion changed, dude. 1759 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:48.119 But like if we're talking about if we're talking about 1760 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:51.840 Beach Boys versus you know, the soft dad rock of 1761 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.880 the seventies with the Eagles, Doobie Brothers, the yacht we 1762 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:58.359 get into some good yacht rock. Ironically, it's weird, like 1763 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.239 how many of those, like I'm thinking of just off 1764 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.399 the top of my head, just like the band's basically 1765 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:06.920 mentioned or pseudo mentioned and almost famous. Most of them 1766 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.520 are British bands for sure. Like it's yeah, I mean 1767 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.479 I know that this is what people are wanting to 1768 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:13.439 listen to on a Friday, but on the sports radio. 1769 01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:16.960 But it's like, it's fascinating. How if you really break 1770 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:18.680 it down in the lexicon of the history of American 1771 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:20.680 rock and roll, the Beach Boys are absolutely up there. 1772 01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:22.920 I think anyone who's listening to you and I knows 1773 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:24.600 the deal by now. I would hope so we might 1774 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:26.720 get into the top Phillips you more Hoppman movies of 1775 01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:31.000 all time again we did almost famous. So best American 1776 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:34.600 rock band of all time Aerosmith, Eagles, this is Rolling 1777 01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:39.520 Stones list, Van Halen, The Doors, Metallica, Creedence, Grateful Dead, Tom. 1778 01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.279 Petty, Creeden's Gotta be up there, r Em. 1779 01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:46.560 If you want to get weird, Nirvana, Leonard Skinner, Velvet Underground, 1780 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:49.399 Guns N' Roses, Steely Dan, it might be the Beach 1781 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:50.760 Boys that might be the answer. 1782 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:53.159 Yeah, I think out of all those bands that you named, 1783 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:58.119 I would go Beach Boys, Steely Dan's Gotta be in 1784 01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:01.479 There and Criminally On and Credence. 1785 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:04.159 Oh yeah, absolutely and CCR r em Fan. I would 1786 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.520 imagine you a phase at one point. Yeah, you know, 1787 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.079 not too much and probably not the greatest. 1788 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:13.439 I kind of miss like your like I unfortunately didn't 1789 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:19.399 get the ninety one to ninety five grunge. 1790 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:20.279 You know. 1791 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.439 Yeah, our guy that we talked about that you forgot 1792 01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:27.039 passed away like ten years ago, Chris Cornell, like like that, 1793 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:29.479 I kind of missed that window due to my age. 1794 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:30.680 And you bring that up by. 1795 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:33.199 The way, I just said, stumbled upon a Chris Cornell 1796 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.119 cover of Nothing Compares to You, Okay, and I was 1797 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:39.760 very impressed. I forgot he died literally a decade Sound Garden, 1798 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.079 food Fighters, Red Hot, Chilled. 1799 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.840 Dow, I would throw red I throw red Hot in 1800 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:48.119 the mix, at least for a contemporary point of view for. 1801 01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:51.560 Me, Pearl Jam, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and if my dad's listening, 1802 01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:54.199 I have to include Young. In my house it was Crosby, Stills, 1803 01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:55.880 Nash and Young because my dad was a huge Neil 1804 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:56.319 Young fan. 1805 01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:57.399 Well he was the best one. 1806 01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:02.239 Well, David Crosby man, yuh okay, I mean Melissa Etheridge 1807 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:04.560 chose him as her sperm donor to have a kid 1808 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:06.800 because he was such a talented musician. Let's stay and 1809 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:08.640 do this for an hour. That's cool, man, It's all 1810 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:09.119 I want to do. 1811 01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:11.720 I hope to be that guy one day. 1812 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.800 You can't be you're that guy today? Okay, not one day? 1813 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:15.920 All right, Chris. 1814 01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.119 Since we're getting weird, let's keep getting weird. Uh my 1815 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.520 guy poach, my guy poached Tino. Let me start here. 1816 01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:25.319 Does this change the way we view the job? 1817 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.279 Greg did? No? 1818 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:30.880 It does not, No, But I you know I don't 1819 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.239 like two to my own horn. But do you remember 1820 01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:37.960 my hottest take before the last World Cup? Well, remind 1821 01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:40.520 me was that I would not be surprised if we 1822 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:41.199 didn't qualify it. 1823 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:44.399 Yes, last week you did warn us, which was accurate. 1824 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.359 And we got dangerously close for a second. I mean 1825 01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.359 we missed in eighteen. We got dangerously close in twenty 1826 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:50.560 twenty two, and Guitar. 1827 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:52.640 Didn't you call that we would miss eighteen too? No 1828 01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:53.119 you didn't. 1829 01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:58.760 I I that still still too soon. The wounds are 1830 01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:03.039 too deep, yeah, Trinida. Anyways, it doesn't change the job 1831 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:06.439 that Greg did, because Greg didn't do a bad job. 1832 01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:11.199 And I think that's one thing that the soccer fans 1833 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.359 in this country are always going to be torn apart 1834 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.640 of the seams of how do we best utilize the 1835 01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.840 talent that we have? How is this talent pool best deployed? 1836 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.600 And traditionally we've been and by traditionally I mean like 1837 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:29.159 our most successful international tournaments on the men's side in 1838 01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:33.159 the last twenty years have been a bunch of guys 1839 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:36.920 who defend like hell and get it to your guys 1840 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:40.159 up front and make them bleep happen. And that's not 1841 01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:42.920 to say that those teams were incapable of playing this 1842 01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:46.800 very fluid, possession style soccer that so many people worldwide play. 1843 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:51.479 But odds are when you're in a major international tournament 1844 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.960 as the US men's national team, you're going to more 1845 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.079 often than not be it a talent discrepancy. Like there 1846 01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.319 is going to be a talent discrepancy and you're going 1847 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:01.199 to be on the other side of the coin. So 1848 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:04.119 when you get to these tournaments, how do you best 1849 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:07.880 utilize your talent? This quote unquote Golden Generation was supposed 1850 01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:11.439 to be the era that would take us into the 1851 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:15.479 play with flair, possession, break teams down, tire them out, 1852 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:19.359 and you have players that are capable of playing that style. 1853 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:22.720 But for a multitude of reasons, guys have been hurt 1854 01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:27.239 over the years. You're talking about lots of drama. I mean, 1855 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.079 side note, we finally arrived as a soccer country because 1856 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.000 we just can't get out of our own way in 1857 01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:34.760 terms of like the drama. Like that's that's when you 1858 01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:38.800 like national teams worldwide are just like the most talked 1859 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.119 about sports soap opera, because that's all like it really is. 1860 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:44.159 You sent me an article on the French national team. 1861 01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:49.239 Yes, my yeah, like moms getting involved with stuff and 1862 01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:52.000 like telling players that they shouldn't like tackle their sons 1863 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:55.199 in training. Yes, that was I think that was Euro 1864 01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:57.880 twenty twenty two, when France flamed out after winning the World. 1865 01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:58.319 Cup in eighteen. 1866 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:03.479 That's right, But Greg didn't do a bad job. And 1867 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:07.199 I and I I think what what What the run 1868 01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:09.479 of results under Pochettino showed us is that we have 1869 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:14.000 to recalibrate our expectations of this team because we're everybody 1870 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:18.439 is talking about this landmark once in a generational moment 1871 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:23.159 next summer across the US, Mexico and Canada. I mean 1872 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:26.319 it is, but I don't know if we're to the 1873 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:30.359 point now, Spence, that you're going to bring in people 1874 01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.359 that haven't bought into the sport. Like I don't think 1875 01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:36.840 that you're gonna have parents watch the US men's national 1876 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:44.119 team play. Let's just let's just say, like, uh, Slovakia 1877 01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:48.079 or Switzerland next year in as in Dallas, and they're 1878 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:49.840 not gonna say, oh, I'm gonna have to get my kid. 1879 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:50.399 Involved in soccer. 1880 01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:54.079 Now. The people who are involved on the ground level, 1881 01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:57.640 as fans are, are loving it. No matter what, people 1882 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:01.159 will get their Olympic fever type you know, temperature every 1883 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.039 four years with the World Cup. But I I just 1884 01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.520 I think everybody kind of has to pump the brakes on. 1885 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:09.000 This is going to change soccer in this country. 1886 01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:09.920 I don't know if it is. 1887 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:15.199 Well, it's it's a fair point. When the last World 1888 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:19.239 Cup was here in ninety four, it did spawn the 1889 01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:22.760 creation of Major League Soccer of MLS, so there was that. 1890 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:26.319 But you know, when it comes to the effect of 1891 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.680 a World Cup in our region on the sport, it's 1892 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.359 just something that I hear every time. You know, there's 1893 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:34.119 I remember when we brought the club here in two 1894 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:35.840 thousand and four, Don Garb was saying, this is great 1895 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:37.760 timing because the World Cup's in two years. It wasn't 1896 01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:41.039 here two thousand Germany, two thousand and six World Cup. 1897 01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:42.640 It was the first World Cup I watched. I was like, 1898 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:43.279 this is awesome. 1899 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:45.079 Yeah, and we got worked. 1900 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:46.119 We did get worked. 1901 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:49.039 But I think there is a little bit of a 1902 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.319 initial bump that the sport receives every time there's a 1903 01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:55.399 World Cup cycle, but it's never fully sustained. I mean, 1904 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.239 this sport has been a slow grow and a slow 1905 01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:00.359 burn just to get to where it is. And if 1906 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.560 it's ever going to get to where it potentially could be. 1907 01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:04.680 When you watch the way it's played internationally, it's still 1908 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:06.920 decades and decades away. 1909 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:10.640 It's not in our DNA man. Like I don't want 1910 01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:13.359 to sound like a fatalist here, but if you don't 1911 01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:14.920 like it, you don't love it, you don't like it, 1912 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.800 and you don't love it like you you're not going 1913 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:19.079 to tune in casually to watch a soccer game. 1914 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:19.760 You're just not. 1915 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:24.399 And that bleeds into all of the issues going around 1916 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.000 the men's national team right now, like you know, who 1917 01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.159 decided to show up for the Gold Cup, who was 1918 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:31.640 told not to show up for the Gold Cup, Former 1919 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:35.520 players who are often the speakerphone now for you know, 1920 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:38.319 being the guys on the lawn shaking their fists in 1921 01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:41.960 the air. Like I said, we've kind of arrived in 1922 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:44.760 a sense like that, it's it's kind of a bleep show. 1923 01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:48.079 And that's how it is around most of the world 1924 01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:51.119 because it's it's what matters to most people, Like they 1925 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:54.159 have so much pride in their national teams, and often 1926 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:59.640 national teams are very chaotic because personalities drive it all. 1927 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.479 I mean, Christiano Ronald was forty years old and he's 1928 01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:04.560 still scoring in finals. 1929 01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:05.840 But he's also a pain in the ass. 1930 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:07.720 But people know that, like when you're once in a 1931 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:09.479 generational player, you're gonna put up with a pain in 1932 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.359 the ass because that's just what you do. Yeah, I 1933 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:16.439 don't know where this team goes. Like That's why I 1934 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:18.439 say I think we have to recalibrate how we look 1935 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:21.079 at next Summer's World Cup as a as a whole. 1936 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:25.319 Because it's awesome that it's here. But I mean, we've 1937 01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:28.960 talked about this before, man, Like we're talking about putting 1938 01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:34.359 soccer in football stadiums, American football stadiums around the country, 1939 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.760 which generally doesn't make they're not built. It's gonna look different, 1940 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:41.760 it's gonna feel different. They're gonna be laying grass over 1941 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:45.720 artificial turf in some places. Now I'll be a little 1942 01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.279 bit of elitist. In Mexico will look better because they're 1943 01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.920 gonna be in stadiums that are designed to play and 1944 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:54.680 how soccer matches full time. Canada the same way. But 1945 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.560 this team was never going to be the team even 1946 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:03.239 before or this poor run of form with Pochettino that 1947 01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:05.279 was going to be like, oh, these guys are gonna 1948 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:07.279 have what it takes to make the semis I just 1949 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:08.000 didn't believe it. 1950 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:10.520 Well, one of the points you made earlier, which is 1951 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.720 a really good one, because Pochettino said, we are going 1952 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.600 to be on the front foot, we are going to 1953 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.319 play with flair, we are going to attack. 1954 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:19.600 That's who he is, man, But that's not who we are. 1955 01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:22.279 I mean, that's who we want to be, but we 1956 01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:22.760 aren't there. 1957 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:24.960 But to your point earlier, whenever we've even had a 1958 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:28.960 modicum of success, it's like one Nill Landon scores a 1959 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.439 miracle goal at the death against Algeria or whatever. Right, 1960 01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:34.960 We've never been the team that's like gonna lose five 1961 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:38.479 to four or win three to two. We're always the gritty, 1962 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:43.920 defensive club that relies on our keeper. Historically speaking, we 1963 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:45.720 have had pretty elite keepers. I'm not sure if that's 1964 01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:47.680 the deal now this is a backwards US team, yeah, 1965 01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:50.520 and relies on a back four and even a team 1966 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:52.399 that will defend as a group and then maybe catching 1967 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:54.000 on the counter and maybe get lucky. That's who we've 1968 01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:56.920 always been. But Pochettino wants a different approach. I don't 1969 01:41:56.920 --> 01:41:58.319 know that he has the personnel for that. 1970 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:02.439 He doesn't. Yeah, this is a backwards team. The strength 1971 01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:05.199 in this team is in the attacking third, and the 1972 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:08.960 weakness in this team is in the defensive third ending goal, 1973 01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.920 which is like you, I don't you probably couldn't say 1974 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:15.520 that about a US team going back all the way 1975 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:19.079 till the eighties, like honestly, like until really Casey Keller 1976 01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:21.319 burst on the scene in the mid nineties. Like this 1977 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:26.000 is a very hard team to deconstruct from a like 1978 01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:28.279 a tactical point of view because they don't do a 1979 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:32.760 lot well. It's odd though, because so many of these 1980 01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.560 guys came up playing with each other, So like it's 1981 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:39.520 not like greg Or Pochettino were making these guys like 1982 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:43.039 solve ap calculus, Like it's not I think, like the 1983 01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:45.399 nerds need to put their their drawing boards away and 1984 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.600 just be like, why can't these guys play well together 1985 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:51.119 in any sort of system, whether it's under greg Or 1986 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:54.079 Pochettino or BJ Callahan who was the interim I mean 1987 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.119 they played well under BJ, but like it was a 1988 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:58.720 very short stint. But like, why is it that this 1989 01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:02.840 group that all accounts is the most talented, that grew 1990 01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:05.359 up with each other for all intents and purposes. Why 1991 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.720 can't they consistently play well together when they do come 1992 01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:10.399 together for these national team camps. 1993 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:15.760 So part of me believes, whether it was Bob Bradley 1994 01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:20.680 or Jurgen or Greg or now Pochettino, you gotta find 1995 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:22.399 the guy you like and you gotta stick with them. 1996 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.760 I think. I mean that, that's my opinion. However, when 1997 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:29.920 you juxtapose that here to other places, other countries. 1998 01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.119 That are really good change their managers. So every cycle, 1999 01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:32.840 right if not. 2000 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:34.640 If yeah, they'll rip them, they'll take them. They'll rip 2001 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:36.239 the band aid right off if there's a bad run 2002 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:36.640 of form. 2003 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.520 So when it comes to how impatient we've been with coaches, 2004 01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.359 is that your status quo or do you think we 2005 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:43.439 need to find the guy that we like to ride 2006 01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:43.760 with them? 2007 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:44.000 No? 2008 01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:46.840 I mean, like I would be surprised if Pochettino is 2009 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:49.039 the coach after this World Cup. I think he was 2010 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:53.199 brought in to try to take this group to new heights. Okay, 2011 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:55.960 and you're talking about a nation. You're talking about a 2012 01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:58.720 national team coach coaching the national team level for the 2013 01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:00.920 first time. He's been a club He's been a club 2014 01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:03.600 manager forever. And when you're a club manager, you're around 2015 01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:07.159 these guys Spence basically more than really any other professional 2016 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:09.600 sport in the world. These guys take a four week 2017 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:10.680 break in the summertime. 2018 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:12.479 That's it. That's it. 2019 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.359 Otherwise they're they're back training in August and they some 2020 01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:18.600 of them play all the way through May or June. Yeah, 2021 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.680 So like I'm talking about like four to six weeks tops. 2022 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.319 So these coaches, like Pauch is used to having his 2023 01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:29.359 finger tips on guys at his disposal, like whenever he wants. 2024 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:34.560 And now you're talking about a dude who has gotten 2025 01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:38.039 a few camps together, hasn't had his best strikers have 2026 01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.079 been hurt. Balaguan's been hurt, Pepi's been hurt. Uh, Pulisic 2027 01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:45.920 has you know, getting getting knocks. Nobody knows what's gonna 2028 01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:51.000 happen with Geo Rena. Again, it's not what people want 2029 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:54.680 to hear, but like I just think we have to 2030 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:58.279 try and recalibrate the expectations of this group going into 2031 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:00.520 next year. Regardless of where this was going to be held, 2032 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:02.359 if this was going to be held in Japan or 2033 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:07.479 South Africa or wherever in Germany, this group hasn't shown 2034 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:09.319 that they've been able to take in the next st 2035 01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:11.359 I mean, I can't believe it's almost been four years 2036 01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:13.960 since Guitar three and a half because they played in 2037 01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:19.119 in in the winter time, but there hasn't been results. 2038 01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:22.359 Nobody's really made that much of a jump. Christian's been 2039 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:26.000 really good at AC Milan, but like he's finally realizing 2040 01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:28.960 the expectations that everybody put on him. But other than that, 2041 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:32.159 you're kind of like, who's who's going to step up 2042 01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:35.880 and take a game by the scruff outside of Christian? 2043 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:37.600 And we don't really have any of those guys. So 2044 01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:40.880 if we didn't have the auto qualification situation as a 2045 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:42.640 result of the World Cup being here, would we be 2046 01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:43.119 in trouble? 2047 01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:47.920 I don't think so, because this is I just have 2048 01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:51.239 a hard time seeing that happening, but. 2049 01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:55.199 It is. It is. 2050 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.840 We're at a time now where it's kind of like bleeper, 2051 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.880 get off the pot in terms of figuring out who's 2052 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:03.640 going to be in your starting eleven, who's going to 2053 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:06.279 be in your game day roster, how do you want 2054 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:08.079 to play, who are you going to play against? Like, 2055 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:10.359 you don't we won't know the World Cup drop for 2056 01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:14.279 a few months now, but like man, I shudder at 2057 01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:16.840 the idea of what would happen if the US lays 2058 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.880 another egg on home soil after Copa America, after your 2059 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.600 favorite tournament, Conka Caffe Nations League. 2060 01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:24.880 That is my jam. 2061 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:28.439 Like, the only time this group has shown up weirdly 2062 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:31.399 is against Mexico in big tournaments in recent years, but 2063 01:46:31.439 --> 01:46:33.880 against everybody else when the lights are the brightest, they 2064 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:36.279 kind of cower and it's really fascinating. 2065 01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:41.680 So what is your opinion on uh Christian polistic h 2066 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:42.920 Tyler Adams. 2067 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:43.119 Was hurt right? 2068 01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:48.000 Tyler played, Tyler played, Okay Weston, McKinney. 2069 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:50.399 Weston and Tim Ware with Juventus because they're at club 2070 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:52.399 where they're playing in this club world for the first time. 2071 01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:55.680 Okay, And we had Donny on yesterday and you know, 2072 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.359 I can name like the top four or five dudes 2073 01:46:58.359 --> 01:46:59.880 and weren't there. Donny gave me a list of like 2074 01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:02.680 a eleven or twelve players that he thinks will be 2075 01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:04.479 on the World Cup roster that are not on the 2076 01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:07.520 Gold Cup roster, and he said probably seven starters. 2077 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:08.239 Yeah, So. 2078 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:13.079 Let's talk about this dynamic where the Gold Cup, historically speaking, 2079 01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:15.399 has been an opportunity for some of the players that 2080 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:17.760 aren't in the first choice group to showcase their talents. 2081 01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:20.840 We have examples here before Kyle and Nick were part 2082 01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.279 of the legitimate rotation for a World Cup. They kind 2083 01:47:24.279 --> 01:47:26.359 of made their name in the Gold Cup. Kyle scored 2084 01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:28.640 a goal, Nick was one of the starting keepers, played well. 2085 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:30.800 Beltran was on a Gold Cup roster. 2086 01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:31.439 That's right. 2087 01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:35.039 So historically speaking, the Gold Cup is a place for 2088 01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.439 lesser known players to showcase their abilities. Do you have 2089 01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:41.039 a problem with these players tapping out based on the 2090 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:43.319 fact that this Goal Cup is one year away from 2091 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:43.920 the World Cup. 2092 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:44.359 I don't. 2093 01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:48.560 I think I'm the rare voice or opinion that nobody 2094 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:50.600 really cares about outside of we care about you. 2095 01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:52.600 We care You're right. 2096 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:55.600 That's one thing that can't be lost here is historically 2097 01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:58.720 the Gold Cup was a place for people who needed 2098 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.840 to cut their teeth and impress them manager to try 2099 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:03.000 to get on the radar for the next big tournament 2100 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.039 the following summer or in the years to come. So 2101 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:09.720 Christian not playing have no problem with it. The guys 2102 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:11.680 at the Club World Cup have no problem with it. 2103 01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:16.439 You know, Anthony Robinson, who is one of our best players, 2104 01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:20.000 had to get knee surgery. Trying to think desk is 2105 01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:23.479 coming back from an acl Like, honestly, I think people 2106 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:28.079 are just over compensating with their rationale, with their frustration 2107 01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:31.119 of guys not being available or being there versus the 2108 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:34.399 current player pool that Poach has just not being good enough. 2109 01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:36.840 And that to me was the main takeaway, Like if 2110 01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:39.199 we look that bad without our top players, it is 2111 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:41.039 a commentary on we just don't. 2112 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.720 Have depth, don't have depth and don't know how to play. 2113 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:45.560 I mean, like if you, I don't know if you 2114 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:48.800 watched the Switzerland match, but like the first. 2115 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:50.520 I got home and turned it on, it was four nil. 2116 01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:55.840 Yeah, I mean the first half was basically it was 2117 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.960 everybody on their own. Nobody knew how to press together, 2118 01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:02.800 nobody knew how to together, nobody were staying in blocks. 2119 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:05.159 The lines were being broken. So I mean, like those 2120 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:07.119 goals that they were giving up, man, like that was 2121 01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:11.920 like embarrassing. It was really really embarrassing. And like couple 2122 01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:15.359 that with Matt Turner spilling one, and like there he 2123 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:19.960 already doesn't have a lot of you know, success in 2124 01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:22.680 between the pipes in recent years, and you just wonder, 2125 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:25.840 like do these guys believe themselves? And I think that 2126 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.319 to me is one of the most you know interesting 2127 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:33.039 kind of underlying parts of this whole conversation is you're 2128 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.119 talking about a young generation who is easily the most 2129 01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:40.720 talented and have the most success at the international club level. 2130 01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:45.760 But the when, like I said, when the bright lights shine, 2131 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.279 they haven't been able to deliver. So like are is 2132 01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:51.479 there is there a little bit of doubt in the 2133 01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:55.560 minds of these guys, is their collective doubt? Like you 2134 01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:58.000 just want to see some sort of change after like 2135 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:01.000 between World Cup cycles, and you just haven't it. Granted, 2136 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.840 I will say, I'll have to correct myself. The the 2137 01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:08.680 acidhind decision to bring Greg Burhalter back after the last 2138 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:10.760 World Cup and then have that whole thing flame out 2139 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:13.560 was ridiculous. So there is a change in a sense. 2140 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:17.520 But like I said, the only player that really has 2141 01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:20.359 burst onto the scene, so to speak, is a dude 2142 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:23.079 from here, Like it is Wild. That's not taking nothing 2143 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:25.680 away from Diego. Diego has proved that he should be 2144 01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:28.800 in the World Cup roster next year. But like considering 2145 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:32.119 where a lot of these guys play and the amount 2146 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:35.880 of resources that we've you know, devoted to so many 2147 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:38.479 of these guys and the youth system here, like this 2148 01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:41.319 golden generation nobody else is coming through the pipeline, Like 2149 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:43.800 if you if your top level guys are not there, 2150 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.600 then there needs to be some sort of reinforcements behind 2151 01:50:46.640 --> 01:50:48.560 this quote unquote golden generation behind him. 2152 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:49.000 For sure. 2153 01:50:49.039 --> 01:50:51.079 It's a great point because I can also remember when 2154 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.960 we brought RSL here in two thousand and four, the 2155 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.840 Commissioner Garber and Mark ab and others talking about how 2156 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:59.479 we are a generation away from really seeing our national 2157 01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:02.439 team fly because of all of the resources that have 2158 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.439 been put in place to develop players who at the 2159 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:06.640 time are the players that we're seeing now. 2160 01:51:07.079 --> 01:51:08.800 And to be fair, there have been some. 2161 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:11.920 Success stories like Christian and others, but I don't feel 2162 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.479 like we're any closer than we were twenty years ago 2163 01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:17.800 to really having a legitimate shod of doing anything other 2164 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:18.800 than just getting out of the breath. 2165 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.119 And that's okay, And that's what I mean when I 2166 01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.840 say like we have to just everyone needs to take 2167 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.680 a breather and understand where we sit in the world landscape. 2168 01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:29.720 Well, Jurgen Klinsman himself was asked will the US ever 2169 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:31.720 win a World Cup? And he was like no, and 2170 01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.279 he got a viscerally lost his job. He's not wrong 2171 01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:39.279 I know, man, and that's okay. Yeah, there are listen, 2172 01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:42.239 there are there are football. There are soccer countries in 2173 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:45.600 Europe that produce an insane amount of talented players that 2174 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:48.359 have trouble getting to the Euros right every four years 2175 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.359 because of how much talent they have to go up against. 2176 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.159 So the fact that we're in our geographical footprint, we 2177 01:51:53.239 --> 01:51:56.479 have it. Okay, Canada's coming on. It's great for Conca 2178 01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:59.359 cap It's good for this region. Mexico is starting to 2179 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:01.880 wake up a little, but the Central American teams are 2180 01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:04.840 a little shaky compared to where they have been historically. 2181 01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:07.920 But like, if we can get out of group stage 2182 01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:10.720 and and have a puncher's chance and the puncher's chance 2183 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:13.239 in the round of sixteen every single Men's World Cup, 2184 01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:17.479 I think that's a success. I think we're operating there. 2185 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:20.279 You have delusions of grandeur if you think that this country, 2186 01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:24.640 even with the current playerpool it has right now, needs 2187 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.880 to be on the precipice of making a run to 2188 01:52:27.960 --> 01:52:29.199 the you know, World Cup final. 2189 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:31.159 We just don't have the horses. And that's okay. 2190 01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:33.920 You ever met Alexi Laals I have. 2191 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:36.119 And I've talked to Alexi multiple times he's always he's 2192 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:38.319 always been very good to me. He's always given me 2193 01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:40.840 a lot of you know, interesting insight, especially back when 2194 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:44.119 I was on the RSL beat days. But hey man, 2195 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:46.399 everybody gets a check, all right. 2196 01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:49.159 All right, before we catch a break, just give me 2197 01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:53.039 a quick RSL thought. So, no Diego, no don Mark, Zuke, 2198 01:52:53.279 --> 01:52:57.079 no Gozo. Your guy Johnny Russell in the starting eleven 2199 01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.520 coming up against DC on Saturday. DC is coming off 2200 01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:01.399 a game where they got smoke seven to one. 2201 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:05.119 Not great. I was at home too, it was at home. 2202 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:08.279 Uh not great, Bob, as the kids would say, I 2203 01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:11.000 don't know who's going to be in the attack because 2204 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:12.039 they're Tyler Wolf. 2205 01:53:12.720 --> 01:53:17.359 No love for Tyler Wolf. RSL is a developmental club spence. 2206 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:20.199 Not based off the interviews I've gone over the past 2207 01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:22.600 few weeks. I mean, Peele's gonna be up top? Or 2208 01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:25.479 what my guy, Big Willie he's coming. 2209 01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:27.960 He's coming off a goal recently. 2210 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:29.319 Oh wait, Peel's not with them? 2211 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:30.199 Actually, oh is he not? 2212 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:32.359 So will be Big Willy goals up top and your 2213 01:53:32.359 --> 01:53:33.720 guy Johnny Russell is starting. 2214 01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:36.640 Diego is back in the good graces of Pablo. Can 2215 01:53:36.680 --> 01:53:38.640 they win on Saturday at least Can they just get 2216 01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:40.840 three points on Saturday? 2217 01:53:40.840 --> 01:53:41.319 Probably not. 2218 01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:48.560 They will need Diogo to put together one of his best, 2219 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:52.479 if not his best performance in an RSL kit. And 2220 01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:55.720 uh they need to show some semblance of being able 2221 01:53:55.720 --> 01:53:58.520 to have an idea in the attacking third and also 2222 01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:01.199 not give up very stupid goals. That's asking a lot. 2223 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:02.239 It is this team right now? 2224 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:03.239 It is all right. 2225 01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:05.319 We'll catch a break coming up next. Ck we'll break 2226 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:08.920 down house to the NCAA settlement. What's next? How will 2227 01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:11.359 the funds be distributed? What does it mean for nil? 2228 01:54:11.479 --> 01:54:14.239 So stay tuned for that. 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Don't wait, 2260 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.439 this promotion is going away soon, so call four two 2261 01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:55.239 four dish eight oh one four two four dish. 2262 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:58.479 Ryan from the dish professionals more with ck livin Studio 2263 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:00.680 coming up on the other side right here on a 2264 01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:04.199 Friday Drive on ESPN and seven hundred one hundred Chris 2265 01:56:04.199 --> 01:56:08.479 Camaradi is live in studio for one more big segments. 2266 01:56:08.840 --> 01:56:11.239 All right, man did little soccer? Last segment's move over 2267 01:56:11.279 --> 01:56:15.000 to the space of college football. First of all, any 2268 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:18.359 exciting athletic teases for the upcoming season. I know you 2269 01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:20.479 were back east for meetings anything you want. 2270 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:26.560 To know, Jack Meetings do have some some some bigger 2271 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:32.680 enterprise stories coming down the pipe. This summer and this fall. 2272 01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:36.159 Will be on the road for some of the more 2273 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:42.039 interesting college football games from a culture perspective, and it'll 2274 01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:44.680 be fun. So yeah, there there, there are. There are 2275 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:47.600 big ones, but nothing I can tease necessarily, But there 2276 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:50.119 will be stories that we will definitely be talking about 2277 01:56:50.119 --> 01:56:51.079 on this radio show. 2278 01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:54.520 Will you be covering Bill Belichick and his young girlfriend? 2279 01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:54.920 I will not. 2280 01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:59.159 We have a great North Carolina based writer named Brendan 2281 01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:02.640 Marx who cover North Carolina and duke basketball, but with 2282 01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:05.039 Bill being there, his job is changed. 2283 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:07.960 Kind of an odd story that people seem to be 2284 01:57:08.079 --> 01:57:10.760 very obsessed with. I'm not one that clutches, pearls, over age, 2285 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:12.840 gaps and relationships and why do you think it's captured 2286 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:14.159 so many people's imaginations. 2287 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:16.800 Oh, it was all their fault. The CBS sent this. 2288 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:19.279 If they don't, if they don't make a stink about 2289 01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:22.800 the Sunday Morning interview, I think I think that's it. 2290 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:30.199 Like you gave people a reason to think anything they want, basically, 2291 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:34.479 And and you're talking about like, dude, Sunday Morning, my 2292 01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:36.800 parents watch CBS, and like you're not getting You're not 2293 01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:39.279 It's a great I love it, but I'm just saying, 2294 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:42.560 like you're not dealing with like hard hitting, like you're 2295 01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:46.800 nobody's been being grilled over this. Like Bill was toting 2296 01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:49.279 a book. He wrote a book about his own life, 2297 01:57:49.600 --> 01:57:53.319 and they're trying to control the narrative about what questions 2298 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:57.000 were pre you know, given the green light, give me break, dude. 2299 01:57:57.159 --> 01:58:00.319 So after that happened, I think the gloves were off 2300 01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.359 because people were already kind of fascinated. And now that 2301 01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:06.960 he's at a public institution, like you can get a 2302 01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:10.119 lot of stuff because you can Foy and grandmother stuff 2303 01:58:10.119 --> 01:58:12.760 and you know guys like Brendon. I mentioned Matt, my 2304 01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.239 colleague Matt Baker, who is a public records wizz. Like, 2305 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:19.520 we've broken a lot of stuff about Bill Belichick and 2306 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:22.039 his girlfriend and just how odd it is at the 2307 01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:25.960 University of North Carolina because it's a public institution, And 2308 01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:29.880 of all the things that I never thought we'd be 2309 01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:34.439 talking about in twenty twenty five, it's Bill Belichick, who 2310 01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:40.800 historically has always been a very guarded, curmudgeonly fellow, toting 2311 01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:44.359 his own book, with his you know, with his girlfriend 2312 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:47.800 at his side, with his girlfriend supposedly having a lot 2313 01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:50.439 to do behind the scenes in college football in twenty 2314 01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:51.920 twenty five, I never would have thought. I mean, like, 2315 01:58:52.680 --> 01:58:55.439 growing up, like you would watch Bill Belichick press conferences 2316 01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:57.640 and you'd be like, what, what, Like, is this dude 2317 01:58:57.680 --> 01:59:00.720 having a bad day? And now he's he has to 2318 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:03.960 kind of mean, he's out recruiting, he's doing all this stuff. 2319 01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:07.239 He's chosen us a new lease on life. 2320 01:59:07.319 --> 01:59:10.359 Let's just say yeah, no, for sure, for sure, all right, Chris. 2321 01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:13.920 Last Friday, about ten minutes after we signed off air, 2322 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.479 I got the alart on my phone that the house 2323 01:59:16.520 --> 01:59:19.800 of the NCAA settlement was actually finally pushed across the line. 2324 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:21.399 Friday News Dump, Friday News. 2325 01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:22.640 Dump after the show. 2326 01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:25.760 So twenty point five million dollars at the disposal aflect 2327 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.760 of athletic departments to now pay the young people to 2328 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:32.560 play sports and institutions I don't like the term student athlete. 2329 01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:36.520 The general model seems to be and this is not 2330 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:41.439 every institution in P four. It will change based off 2331 01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:45.000 the variants of what your unique situation is like. Utah 2332 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:48.159 does have a gymnastics program that brings a lot of 2333 01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:50.640 revenue and eyes right, But the general model seems to 2334 01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:52.800 be seventy five percent of the twenty point five mil 2335 01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:56.319 will go to football. I think ten percent will go 2336 01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:59.199 to men's basketball or no, fifteen percent will go to 2337 01:59:59.199 --> 02:00:02.760 men's basketball, five percent goes to women's basketball, and five 2338 02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:05.760 percent is left over for everybody else. Do you feel 2339 02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:07.920 like that's kind of where most of the institutions will land. 2340 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:10.880 Yeah, based on my conversations with folks at the P 2341 02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:14.399 four and the Group of five level, they've said, and 2342 02:00:14.439 --> 02:00:17.159 this was before it got past they were waiting in 2343 02:00:17.239 --> 02:00:21.199 the world of anywhere from fifty to seventy five going 2344 02:00:21.199 --> 02:00:24.159 to football. And these are different institutions around the country 2345 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:27.960 that have different, you know, points of view, that have 2346 02:00:28.039 --> 02:00:32.960 different powerhouse programs that aren't necessarily football. But it's going 2347 02:00:33.039 --> 02:00:37.439 to be interesting to see which teams vacillate between you know, 2348 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:40.840 going all in on football, which most will do, but 2349 02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:43.600 there will be lots of schools that don't have to 2350 02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:48.520 because they know that in investing in I mean investing 2351 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:51.479 in men's basketball, women's basketball. There will be exceptions like 2352 02:00:51.479 --> 02:00:53.760 you mentioned, like with Utah and the Red Rocks. I 2353 02:00:53.800 --> 02:00:57.159 would imagine there will be others. I mean, Oklahoma softball 2354 02:00:57.199 --> 02:00:59.760 is a powerhouse, Like, you're gonna have to, you know, 2355 02:00:59.800 --> 02:01:05.840 pay these folks the Texas Tech picture that signed from 2356 02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:09.000 Stanford and became the first female softball player to earn 2357 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.000 a million dollars in an IL like, you're going to 2358 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:16.239 have to figure out a way to market yourself and 2359 02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:19.800 be tantalizing enough to student athletes. Even if we're talking 2360 02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:24.800 beyond the revenue generating sports of football and men men's basketball. 2361 02:01:24.319 --> 02:01:27.760 Do you think, and this is an interesting conversation because 2362 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:32.359 there are multiple layers here. You just can't debate that 2363 02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:36.520 the football program is your cash cow. You cannot debate 2364 02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:40.239 that football generates the most revenue. Next year will mark 2365 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:44.119 a decade between NC DOUBLEA appearances for Utah men's basketball, 2366 02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:46.399 which is wild to think about. If you're a P 2367 02:01:46.520 --> 02:01:49.680 four basketball program and you are not making the NCUBAA tournament, 2368 02:01:49.680 --> 02:01:51.640 you are leaving a grip of cash on the table. 2369 02:01:52.479 --> 02:01:56.119 So Mark has an interesting decision to make. Right, But, 2370 02:01:56.399 --> 02:02:02.439 just theoretically speaking or philosophically speaking, should the money be 2371 02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:06.159 allocated to your product that does give you the best 2372 02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:08.239 return on investment? Or is there a case to be 2373 02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:09.920 made that some of this money should probably go to 2374 02:02:10.520 --> 02:02:13.960 sports that have not historically received the investment or attention 2375 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:15.760 they need. Because if you're a women's soccer player at 2376 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.760 the University of Utah men's baseball player and you see 2377 02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:21.479 the final split and you go up to the dorm 2378 02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:24.880 or whatever, and the football players are showing you their paycheck, 2379 02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:27.920 and you're like, wait a second, it's this These things 2380 02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:30.359 are more complex than meets the eye. So what are 2381 02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:34.279 your thoughts on, just philosophically, how this revenue should be split. 2382 02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:36.119 I'm glad you came to me because I know that 2383 02:02:36.199 --> 02:02:39.920 you know that when it comes to investments, yes and markets. 2384 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.399 Yes, I'm the guy. How is your portfolio these days? 2385 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:44.199 I would say strong to quite strong. 2386 02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:50.279 It's Bolivian wormwood it took seventy two hours. I believe 2387 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.119 they call it a Hookah. I still say think it's 2388 02:02:53.920 --> 02:02:55.479 it's Ben Stiller's best move. 2389 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:57.479 I know you disagree it's I still believe that. 2390 02:02:57.560 --> 02:03:00.600 Well, it's just because it's a it's an a stagia thing. 2391 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:03.439 It's heavyweights for me, and it was a big show, 2392 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:04.079 a big show. 2393 02:03:04.840 --> 02:03:05.239 Listen. 2394 02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:07.920 You can look at it from a multitude of ways. 2395 02:03:08.039 --> 02:03:11.640 You can look at it by investing in a historically 2396 02:03:11.680 --> 02:03:15.319 downtrodden program that if it hits, we'll bring more money 2397 02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:18.600 in if we're talking about Utah for example, or you 2398 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:22.079 can you can theoretically go fifty to fifty or or 2399 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:25.560 give more. Because if we're talking about Utah women's gymnastics, 2400 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:28.319 they are the exception. I don't think you have a 2401 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:33.680 lot of non revenue generating sports that are revenue generating 2402 02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:38.720 sports like Utah gymnastics is around the country like it's 2403 02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.720 it's hard to quantify how unique it is. They're selling 2404 02:03:41.720 --> 02:03:43.560 that place out every single night. When was the last 2405 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:47.840 time you're waiting to drop and meet the parents y 2406 02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:53.439 day by day? Oh lord? Three things? Lord, Like, when 2407 02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:55.520 was the last time Utah men's basketball sold out the 2408 02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:58.960 Huntsman Center. I mean, like like legit sold it out, 2409 02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:00.760 like the Red Rocks are doing that. I know they 2410 02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:04.079 don't have as many home meets as men's basketball has memes, 2411 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:04.520 but like. 2412 02:04:04.439 --> 02:04:06.239 There have been some one offs here and there, but 2413 02:04:06.680 --> 02:04:08.920 can see it. But honestly, I'm not even sure there's 2414 02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:10.079 been that in a long time. 2415 02:04:10.159 --> 02:04:13.760 So when it comes to investments, you have to you 2416 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.079 have to pick your pick your spots. 2417 02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:23.000 And are you a podhead falker? Sorry, keep going, I'm listening. 2418 02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:26.119 Oh man, I was thinking about the poem that he 2419 02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:29.359 your name was Angela. 2420 02:04:29.920 --> 02:04:36.640 You gave me milk like an unstoppable rebel force. Oh 2421 02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:37.359 so good. 2422 02:04:37.560 --> 02:04:41.800 The parallels between the House Settlement and Robert De Niro 2423 02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:43.640 dialogue is not lost on me. 2424 02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:44.199 Anyways. 2425 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.000 If we're talking about Utah specifically, Mark and his team 2426 02:04:48.079 --> 02:04:53.880 have hard questions answered, because you can't leave a program 2427 02:04:53.960 --> 02:04:56.880 that has made you money and has put butts in 2428 02:04:56.920 --> 02:04:59.840 the seats at the altar, so to speak, in favor 2429 02:04:59.880 --> 02:05:03.000 of the one that historically in the last ten years 2430 02:05:03.039 --> 02:05:04.600 you mentioned it'll be ten years since they've made an 2431 02:05:04.680 --> 02:05:07.680 NCAA tournament that hasn't really given you much from a 2432 02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:12.119 revenue generating point of view. So it's it's tough man, 2433 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:15.760 it's this. This is where now that we know and 2434 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:18.800 eventually they'll tell us like, this is where everybody gets 2435 02:05:18.840 --> 02:05:23.039 to figure out a way that you can accurately criticize 2436 02:05:23.840 --> 02:05:27.600 or or applaud an athletic department for doing their jobs. 2437 02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:31.960 The other element is what was Alex Jensen promised before 2438 02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:33.920 he left a really good job to take this job. 2439 02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:38.760 And you also do have to balance. You make a 2440 02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:40.560 good point about like, well, look, if we're not making 2441 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:44.560 the NCAA tournament, do you guys deserve investment? Or if 2442 02:05:44.560 --> 02:05:47.720 we could make the NCAA tournament consistently, that does provide 2443 02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:50.199 a lot more revenue than the basketball program is brought in. 2444 02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:52.319 Or do you bump that up a little bit to 2445 02:05:52.439 --> 02:05:55.159 give the basketball team more support so they can actually 2446 02:05:55.479 --> 02:05:57.479 start winning games and make and making the tournament? 2447 02:05:57.560 --> 02:05:59.079 Are we talking honestly on the drive? 2448 02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:02.000 We only talk on the drive? 2449 02:06:02.760 --> 02:06:06.560 Do we know enough? Is there enough empirical data to 2450 02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:09.880 say whether or not Utah is going to be a 2451 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.800 potential nc double A tournament team next year? I would 2452 02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:13.239 say no. 2453 02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:15.439 I would agree with you. I think that's a tough 2454 02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:16.640 ask year one for al. 2455 02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:21.039 Tough ask and again I would I would ask all 2456 02:06:21.079 --> 02:06:24.000 of your listeners to not always drink the kool aid 2457 02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:26.279 of the folks in this media market who are saying, 2458 02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:32.600 you know these guys, watch out for these guys. My guy, 2459 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:35.760 who is also your guy, tweeted that there's at least 2460 02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:38.720 going to be one pro player on this upcoming Utah 2461 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:41.079 men's basketball roster. Our guy. 2462 02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:43.319 He also joined the show and said his sources indicate 2463 02:06:43.399 --> 02:06:44.600 any direction as possible. 2464 02:06:44.680 --> 02:06:47.840 Okay, okay at five okay. 2465 02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:49.960 So yes, yeah, and who knows. 2466 02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:52.359 Maybe he's right, and maybe he's right, But what I'm 2467 02:06:52.399 --> 02:06:56.359 saying is that you have to have some sort of 2468 02:06:56.720 --> 02:07:00.680 foundational data as Alex from Alex as a head coach 2469 02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:03.479 before you can, in my opinion, go really all in. 2470 02:07:04.319 --> 02:07:05.119 You're no, You're right. 2471 02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:07.439 And I've said that from the start because I just, 2472 02:07:07.680 --> 02:07:09.439 you know, I think Al's the right guy. I think 2473 02:07:09.479 --> 02:07:11.800 it was the right hire. And so I am not 2474 02:07:11.960 --> 02:07:14.239 going to be over the top about expectations for this 2475 02:07:14.359 --> 02:07:16.920 roster year one. And if anybody out there is telling 2476 02:07:16.920 --> 02:07:19.479 you they've been grinding tape on these new players, they're lying, 2477 02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:20.600 we don't know what it's gonna. 2478 02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:23.079 Be Delaware State, I don't I mean, let's be honest. 2479 02:07:23.079 --> 02:07:25.960 If I think one dude came from like Cincinnati, I 2480 02:07:26.000 --> 02:07:29.159 don't even know. I'm not schooled on where these guys 2481 02:07:29.159 --> 02:07:32.159 came from, but they're not coming from. There's an Auburn 2482 02:07:32.279 --> 02:07:35.279 guy that I think maybe didn't play a lot, and 2483 02:07:35.319 --> 02:07:36.159 Auburn's been good. 2484 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:38.239 Well in that case, championship. 2485 02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:40.920 Yeah, championship, but other than that, let's everyone take a 2486 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:41.479 chill pill. 2487 02:07:41.560 --> 02:07:43.640 While we're in the space of taking a chill pill, 2488 02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:46.760 I'm here Vegas over under. Utah football wins seven point 2489 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:51.560 five every single you guys at the Athletic two four seven, ESPN, 2490 02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:53.640 everybody does the whole like, hey, way too early, big 2491 02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:57.560 twelve look ahead. Utah is pretty Utah football is pretty 2492 02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:00.920 squarely in the middle. They don't have the the expectations 2493 02:08:00.920 --> 02:08:02.600 of winning the thing, at least from what I've seen. 2494 02:08:02.680 --> 02:08:05.960 I think Phil Steele, your guy did pick Utah as 2495 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.039 one of the top three teams if I saw that correctly. 2496 02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:11.560 So taking a chill pill, Utah football. 2497 02:08:11.159 --> 02:08:13.279 Expected Devin damp Pier Heisman candidacy. 2498 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:14.960 I haven't seen it yet, but you know. 2499 02:08:15.000 --> 02:08:18.119 I means, based on what I've been told by multiple 2500 02:08:18.159 --> 02:08:21.319 people who watch practice secretly, he's going to be a 2501 02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:22.359 Heisman Trophy candidate. 2502 02:08:22.399 --> 02:08:24.479 I've been told to say I say that in jest, 2503 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:26.000 but I don't know if people really get it. Well 2504 02:08:26.119 --> 02:08:27.520 a few KSL videos with it. 2505 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:34.359 Listen, man, again, beyond basketball, nobody knows what the hell 2506 02:08:34.399 --> 02:08:36.840 this football team's going to look like offensively next year. 2507 02:08:37.000 --> 02:08:39.319 So if we're taking chill pills, I implore you all 2508 02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:42.039 to take a chill pill. Devin damp Pier's tape, his 2509 02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:44.880 highlights that you watched on Twitter are awesome. I guarantee 2510 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:47.159 you didn't watch the twelve interceptions he threw last year. 2511 02:08:48.039 --> 02:08:51.039 He threw he had like a fifty eight percent completion rate. 2512 02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:54.680 You were probably looking at a lot of awesome plays 2513 02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:57.880 that he made, but you probably weren't watching, you know, 2514 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:00.359 some air and throws that he had, which is fine. 2515 02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:03.279 One thing we have to get out in the clear 2516 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:06.520 in this market is that just because you're not bending 2517 02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:10.000 the knee, you're not You're not a villain, You're not 2518 02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:14.119 a but you can be critical without being viewed as 2519 02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:14.560 the villain. 2520 02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:16.359 You're preaching to the choir, man, I know you are, but. 2521 02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:19.279 I'm just saying, like we are, we are venturing into 2522 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:20.880 very dangerous territory here. 2523 02:09:20.920 --> 02:09:23.239 But that's also but that's not just Utah. 2524 02:09:23.319 --> 02:09:25.159 No, I know that. I'm just saying it's it's everywhere. 2525 02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.479 It's our guys downtown Center. 2526 02:09:27.239 --> 02:09:30.119 And it's the guys forty miles down south. I get that. 2527 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:33.520 It's everywhere, So it's not it's not specific to the 2528 02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:37.640 guys off or car away. But will you ta be 2529 02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:38.279 better next year? 2530 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:39.520 They will? I promise you. 2531 02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:43.079 Are they going to change the world offensively? Probably not? 2532 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:45.520 Will they be better offensively? God, you have to hope. 2533 02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:48.039 So because of how terrible they'd be worse, they'll be worse. 2534 02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:49.119 They got a. 2535 02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:52.399 Couple first round tackles on their roster, got some running 2536 02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:55.039 backs you've really never heard of, got some receivers you 2537 02:09:55.199 --> 02:09:57.880 absolutely have never heard of, and the defense should be good. 2538 02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:01.159 Other than that, Vegas setting it at seven and a 2539 02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:01.800 half makes sense. 2540 02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:03.920 That feels right, That feels right, all right? The other 2541 02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:07.199 element and you know, you know, actually, let me leave 2542 02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:10.199 with this. Is there ever going to be an accurate 2543 02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:13.520 way to really even the playing field in college football? 2544 02:10:14.199 --> 02:10:16.319 I don't think so either. There will always be the 2545 02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:19.119 car dealer in Tuscaloosa. That's fine, paying whatever it is, 2546 02:10:19.319 --> 02:10:20.159 get over for it man. 2547 02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:20.720 Yeah, yeah. 2548 02:10:20.760 --> 02:10:23.760 But the reason I bring it up is there is 2549 02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:27.760 a new College Sports Commission and the CEO is a 2550 02:10:27.760 --> 02:10:30.399 guy named Brian Seely, who is a former Major League 2551 02:10:30.399 --> 02:10:33.199 Baseball executive. See I think what a lot of people 2552 02:10:33.279 --> 02:10:35.359 either don't know or for good is the NCAA was 2553 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:37.680 literally told two years ago you are no longer allowed 2554 02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:41.439 to enforce anything which is a wild, wild format, and 2555 02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:43.279 that's why we've been in this area of chaos. So 2556 02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:46.000 at least there are some best laid plans in place 2557 02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:49.359 with a new CEO of this enforcement organization called the 2558 02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:52.760 College Sports Commission, and starting on June seventh, all of 2559 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:55.840 these young people who play sports for institutions who are 2560 02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:59.600 benefiting off of NIL now have to report every NIL 2561 02:10:59.720 --> 02:11:02.239 deal of more than six hundred dollars to the College 2562 02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:05.479 Sports Commission. It's going to go through some derivative of 2563 02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:08.720 an LBI software program in Deloitte who runs the NBA 2564 02:11:08.800 --> 02:11:10.680 Draft lottery for all you Jazz fans that are. 2565 02:11:10.600 --> 02:11:13.399 Mad, and runs a lot of stuff at a much 2566 02:11:13.439 --> 02:11:16.119 higher correct. The stakes are much higher. 2567 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:18.279 They have a lot on their plate, or there's no 2568 02:11:18.319 --> 02:11:20.760 doubt about that. So how do you think this process 2569 02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:22.399 is going to work, and do you think it will 2570 02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:24.600 corral a little bit some of the crazy spending on 2571 02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:25.800 l And I don't know if it's. 2572 02:11:25.720 --> 02:11:28.039 Going to corral the spending. I think it'll hold people 2573 02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:31.920 more accountable, okay. And I would hope that this commission 2574 02:11:32.479 --> 02:11:36.079 makes all of this stuff if it's a if it's 2575 02:11:36.119 --> 02:11:38.680 a public institution, I would hope it'll be made public 2576 02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:41.319 so people can understand because you're still at the end 2577 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:44.279 of the day, you're still asking people to donate, Like 2578 02:11:44.479 --> 02:11:47.359 nil is not going away. No, like the twenty point 2579 02:11:47.359 --> 02:11:51.079 five million is is for the benefit of the players 2580 02:11:51.399 --> 02:11:54.359 and honestly for the benefit of the universities. But you're 2581 02:11:54.359 --> 02:11:56.279 still going to talk about players who are getting third 2582 02:11:56.279 --> 02:12:00.119 party deals, dealers with deals with dealerships in town, so 2583 02:12:00.159 --> 02:12:03.520 on and so forth. So I think it will add 2584 02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:07.520 if it's done the right way, it will show us 2585 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:11.680 the red tape basically that we've been missing for a 2586 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:12.600 very long time. 2587 02:12:13.960 --> 02:12:18.159 So ultimately, Mark Carlin himself has said they will utilize 2588 02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:21.760 every penny of the twenty point five million dollars. Brian Santiago, 2589 02:12:21.800 --> 02:12:24.399 the new athletic director of Brigham Young, has not made 2590 02:12:24.399 --> 02:12:26.439 that statement. It doesn't mean they're not going to do it. 2591 02:12:26.520 --> 02:12:28.640 But the money stuff down there is just different. 2592 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:30.880 And I don't know if they need to say anything 2593 02:12:30.920 --> 02:12:32.720 publicly because they're a private institution. 2594 02:12:32.960 --> 02:12:34.319 So how do you think they'll handle it that? 2595 02:12:34.399 --> 02:12:38.439 I don't know. I mean, if we're talking about recent 2596 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:41.720 history and how much money the basketball program has gotten, 2597 02:12:42.319 --> 02:12:46.880 and if you're talking about historically the football program has 2598 02:12:47.319 --> 02:12:50.680 carried the load there, so you would think that they 2599 02:12:50.720 --> 02:12:54.319 would give most of it. In my opinion, you would 2600 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:56.960 think they would give most of it to football, knowing 2601 02:12:57.000 --> 02:12:59.840 that your high profile donors are still probably going to 2602 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:02.319 be giving to Kevin Young and his staff to go 2603 02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:05.239 out and pay players. But I don't know. The private 2604 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:07.239 school thing is going to be interesting, I should ask. 2605 02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:10.079 I'll talk to some of my smart some of my 2606 02:13:10.119 --> 02:13:12.039 smart colleagues that you should have on who know about 2607 02:13:12.039 --> 02:13:15.079 all this public Happy to, happy to because it'll be 2608 02:13:15.079 --> 02:13:17.840 interesting to see, like when this stuff gets made public, 2609 02:13:18.479 --> 02:13:21.640 if private schools need to be involved in this and 2610 02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:23.319 whatnot on the commission side of things. 2611 02:13:23.359 --> 02:13:25.960 Well, and to your point about the basketball program, the 2612 02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:28.640 money is already in the bank for this year and 2613 02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:31.560 Jeff Goodman has reported that AJ is getting seven mil 2614 02:13:32.199 --> 02:13:35.159 this new Rob right, kid apparently is three Richie is 2615 02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:38.920 seven figures. If you just do some quick math, nil 2616 02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:41.680 money for this year's BYU basketball program is in the 2617 02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:45.000 area of thirteen to fifteen million dollars, right, But that's 2618 02:13:45.039 --> 02:13:47.880 all nil. That's before these kids can get paid. So 2619 02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:50.520 I wonder, if you're Brian Santiago and you know that 2620 02:13:50.560 --> 02:13:53.359 the basketball team has already dialed in with their nil stuff, 2621 02:13:54.239 --> 02:13:57.399 do you bump more funds to Klaudie and his team? 2622 02:13:57.560 --> 02:13:59.199 Obviously more players. 2623 02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:02.000 I would think, So you have to, don't you more players? 2624 02:14:03.800 --> 02:14:07.199 More depth? I mean, basketball rosters are small man and 2625 02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:09.319 like they're always going to be front loaded. You have 2626 02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:12.960 to be able to disperse the correct amount of resources 2627 02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:14.720 to a football team in order to make them good. 2628 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:17.720 Like I understand in the NFL, who gets paid the 2629 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:21.680 most quarterbacks one, But like, if you have a really 2630 02:14:21.760 --> 02:14:24.520 good offensive tackle, you're gonna invest in them. If you 2631 02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:27.520 have a really good defensive end Miles Garrett or Nick Bosa, 2632 02:14:27.560 --> 02:14:29.800 you're gonna invest in them. And then there will be 2633 02:14:29.880 --> 02:14:33.319 positions that maybe don't get that so much. Like you know, 2634 02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:36.399 middle linebackers don't get paid the boatload of money that 2635 02:14:36.439 --> 02:14:39.159 other positions do. And I don't know if if safeties 2636 02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:42.199 are getting paid a lot of money. So because of 2637 02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:46.319 the roster size and because the BYU men's basketball program 2638 02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:49.520 is already in theoretically in a good space. From the 2639 02:14:49.680 --> 02:14:52.680 nil component, I would think if you're Brian Santiago, you 2640 02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:55.359 would say, Klaanie, here's a lot of money. 2641 02:14:55.479 --> 02:14:57.720 I would hope so. And you know, they just had 2642 02:14:57.760 --> 02:14:59.560 a really good year. The YA football is coming off 2643 02:14:59.560 --> 02:15:02.600 a really good season. Do you think that when it 2644 02:15:02.640 --> 02:15:06.920 Because your points about the payscale based off positions will 2645 02:15:06.920 --> 02:15:10.479 be interesting to follow. I still believe and if you 2646 02:15:10.479 --> 02:15:12.520 would have asked me three years ago, I would have 2647 02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:15.199 told you that we were already in this space and 2648 02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:17.640 we're not. And so I can't even put a timeframe 2649 02:15:17.680 --> 02:15:20.199 on it. But based off of everything that still needs 2650 02:15:20.199 --> 02:15:24.079 to be figured out, and the inevitability because money changes everything, 2651 02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:24.880 it just does. 2652 02:15:25.000 --> 02:15:26.720 I think anyone that lives. 2653 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:28.920 In everybody everything and everybody. 2654 02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:30.600 Great, and I think anyone that has a little bit 2655 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:34.520 of lived experience in the world knows that, whether it's family, friends, business, 2656 02:15:34.600 --> 02:15:39.000 whatever it is, when money gets involved, people change and 2657 02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:40.399 people change their values. 2658 02:15:40.439 --> 02:15:42.159 Their are jealousies, there's anger. 2659 02:15:42.640 --> 02:15:46.159 It just is inevitable that the women's soccer team of 2660 02:15:46.279 --> 02:15:48.800 Utah will find out what the starting quarterback is making 2661 02:15:48.920 --> 02:15:51.199 from the school and say, wait a second, this doesn't 2662 02:15:51.199 --> 02:15:55.159 feel fair. Inevitably, there has to be collective bargaining. I 2663 02:15:55.560 --> 02:15:58.359 still believe that I agree, but I don't know when 2664 02:15:58.399 --> 02:16:00.640 that's going to happen. I do think think we will. 2665 02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:05.680 We will feel more momentum in that direction starting now 2666 02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:08.159 now that payer the players are getting paid, now that 2667 02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:09.960 people can see what the checks look. 2668 02:16:09.880 --> 02:16:12.560 Like, now that they're being paid directly by those correct. 2669 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:16.800 Verses correct, and so disgruntled athletes will contact lawyers. A 2670 02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:21.600 lot of them already have agents, and once those complaints 2671 02:16:21.640 --> 02:16:24.239 start spilling in, I think everyone's gonna understand that the 2672 02:16:24.239 --> 02:16:26.319 only way to really make this thing work is for 2673 02:16:26.840 --> 02:16:30.760 allowing the players to unionize and therefore collectively bargained to 2674 02:16:30.800 --> 02:16:32.079 come to some sort of agreement. 2675 02:16:32.239 --> 02:16:34.479 And I wonder if and when we get to that point, 2676 02:16:34.600 --> 02:16:38.239 are there going to be individual unions that are NC 2677 02:16:38.360 --> 02:16:42.239 double A football unions, NC double A basketball unions? Or 2678 02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:47.280 do they all come together? Do the probably close to millions, 2679 02:16:47.319 --> 02:16:51.319 I don't know, Do all the Division one athletes across 2680 02:16:51.360 --> 02:16:53.639 the landscape of this country come together and form a union, 2681 02:16:53.639 --> 02:16:56.120 because if so, then you're talking about some heft. 2682 02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:57.040 Yeah for sure. 2683 02:16:57.040 --> 02:17:00.399 And now I think like a football union would have theft. 2684 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:04.000 But if you're talking about if you're talking about athletes 2685 02:17:04.200 --> 02:17:07.879 who play in non revenue revenue generating sports, you would 2686 02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:11.000 hope that they get to have a piece of the pie. 2687 02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:13.000 So if there does come a point where there is 2688 02:17:13.040 --> 02:17:17.760 collective bargaining, you'd have to believe that even the folks 2689 02:17:18.239 --> 02:17:20.680 like the like the football players, like the basketball players, 2690 02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:22.559 would would want to bring those folks. 2691 02:17:22.280 --> 02:17:23.079 Along with them. 2692 02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:25.079 Okay, final thing, and I'll set you loose on this 2693 02:17:26.799 --> 02:17:32.520 as it pertains to the ongoing UH lawsuits that we 2694 02:17:32.600 --> 02:17:35.120 see left and right. There was a lawsuit filed by 2695 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:38.040 a group of female athletes that say this violates Title nine. 2696 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:42.760 There are rumors of other lawsuits being filed, you know, 2697 02:17:42.920 --> 02:17:46.680 labor law. This isn't fair. That isn't fair. Are we 2698 02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:50.879 just in an area in collegian athletics now where it's 2699 02:17:50.920 --> 02:17:53.639 time to accept that stuff like this will continue to 2700 02:17:53.639 --> 02:17:57.239 go on and maybe every single year there's going to 2701 02:17:57.280 --> 02:17:59.840 be another lawsuit file, there's going to be another appeal, 2702 02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:03.719 and we're just gonna have to deal with this. Maybe 2703 02:18:03.760 --> 02:18:05.600 in perpetuity. I mean, I don't know that it ever 2704 02:18:05.639 --> 02:18:06.120 really ends. 2705 02:18:06.159 --> 02:18:10.159 No, it will. It will not end until Sorry I'm 2706 02:18:10.159 --> 02:18:14.719 contradicting myself. It will not end unless people finally get 2707 02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:17.040 their stuff together and get their ducks in a row. 2708 02:18:17.159 --> 02:18:25.879 And there is a model built that allows universities, coaches, players, agents, 2709 02:18:25.920 --> 02:18:28.479 everybody to be in lockstep on how things are done. 2710 02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:32.040 Until then, you're gonna have people filing these lawsuits saying 2711 02:18:32.040 --> 02:18:35.360 that you know, I deserve this piece of the pie 2712 02:18:35.479 --> 02:18:37.479 because X, Y and Z, and a lot of times 2713 02:18:37.520 --> 02:18:39.680 they're right. So that's the reality we face. 2714 02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:41.319 Who do you want the Jazz to draft in five? 2715 02:18:42.360 --> 02:18:47.000 I've been told and everything's on the table. But if 2716 02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:50.440 I'm going for do you think they go best player 2717 02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:51.639 available at five? 2718 02:18:51.799 --> 02:18:54.239 They do, okay, because they need everything. 2719 02:18:54.440 --> 02:18:57.799 So since they need everything, I'm going to go with 2720 02:18:58.040 --> 02:19:00.479 the dude from Baylor VJ. 2721 02:19:00.760 --> 02:19:02.799 Is he going to be there? Maybe? Okay? 2722 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:07.799 Probably not okay. So then I'm gonna go with not 2723 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:11.079 the guy from Duke, not the guy from Duke, or 2724 02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:11.639 the other. 2725 02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:14.159 Guy from Con. Not the Con okay, and not the 2726 02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:16.399 tall guy from Duke. He won't be there at five. 2727 02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:17.440 No, the other tall guy. 2728 02:19:17.520 --> 02:19:19.479 Oh, mala. Yeah, he might be there at five. I 2729 02:19:19.520 --> 02:19:22.159 don't want him either. Okay, fair enough. Great to see 2730 02:19:22.159 --> 02:19:23.920 you go. Enjoy your weekend, all right, my man. 2731 02:19:24.920 --> 02:19:27.879 Wrapping it up, final segments of the day and of 2732 02:19:27.920 --> 02:19:30.319 the week as we send you in your weekend. Happy 2733 02:19:30.360 --> 02:19:34.280 Friday to you. Congratulations you made a weekend. Time take 2734 02:19:34.319 --> 02:19:36.920 a big, old deep breath. Should be scorching hot weather, 2735 02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:39.799 but nice to be outside and maybe get elevated. I 2736 02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:42.399 want to say a special Happy Father's Day to everybody 2737 02:19:42.399 --> 02:19:45.280 out there. Happy Father's Day weekend. Hopefully you're celebrating and 2738 02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:48.959 whatever way you choose. The US Open will continue to 2739 02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:52.360 roll along at oak Oakmont Country Club and Oakmont, Pennsylvania. 2740 02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.840 Sam Burns is your leader through two rounds of three 2741 02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:57.520 hundred par jj Spawd at two hundred par, victor Hobblin 2742 02:19:57.559 --> 02:19:59.879 at one under par, and those are the only three 2743 02:20:00.079 --> 02:20:03.280 offers under par. What a challenge in the world of 2744 02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:05.840 professional golf. Reminder coming up on the other side, it's 2745 02:20:06.079 --> 02:20:09.520 ESPN's coverage of Game four of the NBA Finals, featuring 2746 02:20:09.520 --> 02:20:12.159 in the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana Pacers, and 2747 02:20:12.200 --> 02:20:14.559 then tomorrow on the station at six o'clock, Mountain time 2748 02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:18.319 you'll hear game four of the game five, excuse me 2749 02:20:18.360 --> 02:20:21.600 of the Stanley Cup Final between the Panthers and the Oilers. 2750 02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:25.360 All right, Porter prediction time? Who wins tonight? Pacers, Oka See? 2751 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:30.360 Where are you leaning? Ah Tonight? You gotta lean Okac. 2752 02:20:31.360 --> 02:20:36.639 You know you really would have put everything on them 2753 02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:41.879 responding in Game three a little bit better, So you know, 2754 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:45.280 I think that that feeling kind of transfers into Game four. 2755 02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:48.040 Backs up against the wall though, man, I mean, you 2756 02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:49.879 go down three to one. We've talked about it all 2757 02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:53.600 all day long. Lebron ain't walking through that door. So 2758 02:20:55.520 --> 02:21:01.520 you know, if Oka Se number one doesn't come out 2759 02:21:01.559 --> 02:21:05.719 with I think a little bit more urgency, but also Spence, 2760 02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:09.079 it's forty eight minutes. If Indiana comes out and has 2761 02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:12.239 a hot shooting night, it might not matter. That's the 2762 02:21:12.239 --> 02:21:13.360 beauty about basketball. 2763 02:21:13.399 --> 02:21:13.600 Man. 2764 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:17.760 Once you're down to one, anything can really happen in 2765 02:21:17.799 --> 02:21:22.440 a seven game series. And for that reason, I don't 2766 02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:25.399 have a great read, but I do think tonight Oka 2767 02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:29.479 See comes out and responds, and this series could go 2768 02:21:29.520 --> 02:21:30.440 either way. 2769 02:21:30.479 --> 02:21:32.479 Excited for tonight, I think it's gonna be a lot 2770 02:21:32.479 --> 02:21:34.879 of fun. So we'll send it over to ESPN's coverage. 2771 02:21:34.920 --> 02:21:37.399 As we say good night Porter, what comes our way 2772 02:21:37.520 --> 02:21:39.840 On a Monday edition of the radio show. 2773 02:21:39.959 --> 02:21:43.120 Monday edition of The Drive, we will catch up with 2774 02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:47.520 Tom Happerstruck react to the weekend of NBA basketball the 2775 02:21:47.639 --> 02:21:51.840 NBA Finals, looking ahead to what should be the final 2776 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:56.079 few days of the NBA Finals. Richard Smitty Smith stops by, 2777 02:21:56.440 --> 02:21:59.000 as he does each and every Monday, We'll check in 2778 02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:01.879 with one Bill Riley, the voice of the Utes. Will 2779 02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:05.520 be within eighty days of kickoff for Utah football, of 2780 02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:09.280 course house first NC double A reactions from him as well, 2781 02:22:09.600 --> 02:22:14.000 and then hopefully hopefully react to some points from our 2782 02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:15.200 guys in Claireton Colebal. 2783 02:22:15.280 --> 02:22:18.000 Yeah, we'll see RSL is a match tomorrow. They're badly 2784 02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:20.239 in need of a result. Well, let me rephrase that 2785 02:22:20.280 --> 02:22:23.079 they're badly in need of a win all three points, 2786 02:22:23.120 --> 02:22:24.120 so we'll have to see how it goes. 2787 02:22:24.159 --> 02:22:25.680 We'll say good night for a Friday special. 2788 02:22:25.680 --> 02:22:29.000 Thank you today to Tony Jones, Dave mcmahamon, Paul Pugmyer 2789 02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:30.959 and Chris Comaraddie for the sound you may have missed 2790 02:22:30.959 --> 02:22:33.479 from the show today. Go to the website which is 2791 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:36.239 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. Make sure to download 2792 02:22:36.239 --> 02:22:39.000 our mobile app and take us on the go. ESPN 2793 02:22:39.079 --> 02:22:41.520 seven hundred app available in the App Store the Google 2794 02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:43.840 play Store for free. And then for what we do 2795 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:46.440 in our space every afternoon for four hours. Check out 2796 02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:49.479 our podcast page. It is called The Drive with Spence. 2797 02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:52.440 Check its that's available wherever you get your show. Subscribe, 2798 02:22:52.520 --> 02:22:54.399 rate reviews and I sings in the comments. Give us 2799 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:56.600 all the stars. It helps reporter I'm spent saying tonight. 2800 02:22:57.120 --> 02:22:59.239 Joy your weekend, everybody, be good yourself and begin to 2801 02:22:59.280 --> 02:23:01.159 each other. We'll talk to on a Monday Drive. NBA 2802 02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:03.600 Finals coverage comes your way, coming up next right here 2803 02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:06.280 on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two NFM. We are 2804 02:23:06.280 --> 02:23:08.879 proud to be part of Utah's ESPN Radio network.