WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.399 The way these trends are headed, the way the and 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.360 the direction technology pushes us in. 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:09.800 Maybe what you're getting out in your question today is like, 4 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.480 are we going to end up locked down by some 5 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:16.559 like central authority or handful of big companies deciding how 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:17.000 it goes? 7 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:36.079 I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. This Guntognation 8 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.079 is brought to you by Ruger, Vortex, Tipton, Range Ready, 9 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:46.000 and Smith and Wesson. Hey, welcome into Guntognation Today. On Guntognation, 10 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:49.640 we're going to talk the techie side of guns, both 11 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.640 in the content that you consume online and and maybe 12 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.079 some other stuff. Some some smart guys who've been in 13 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:00.799 the tech world. They have a I guess we used to. 14 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.719 Call it a blog. Huh. 15 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.000 Chuck and Cream, We've got Kareem Shia, We've got Chuck Rossy. 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.239 You guys are with open source defense, which I know 17 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.159 we've had open source defense. 18 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:14.480 We've had you on gun Talk Radio. 19 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.079 I think you know Tom brings it up from time 20 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.680 to time because there's some fun coverage and some good 21 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:24.040 coverage there. But I mean, how would you describe what 22 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.120 you guys are doing with open source defense and how 23 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:26.879 did they get started. 24 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.439 Yeah, I think, like the way we'd always put it is, 25 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.640 our goal is to normalize gun culture. We have we 26 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.840 all have the experience of being, you know, in the past, 27 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.319 like the gun guy in some office in New York 28 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:48.560 or San Francisco and finding this underground world. 29 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:49.599 If people out there. 30 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.599 Who just like sidle up to us in the office 31 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.359 kitchen and say like, hey, I heard you, like I 32 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.879 heard you have guns or know about guns or like shooting. 33 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:02.040 Here you're holding Yeah, hey, exactly what to talk to 34 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:02.719 you about guns? 35 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:07.519 Yeah, stuck and yeah, like you know, like canny, tell 36 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.800 me what's a buy or take me shooting or really 37 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.000 what they're saying is like, can you make me feel 38 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.120 comfortable being interested in this thing? 39 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.360 Or can you make me feel that this is okay? 40 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.840 It's funny because in certain cultures, Chuck, I mean, people 41 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.639 feel like it is like this underground thing. You probably 42 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.680 want to say to them, you know it's legal, right, 43 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:28.280 it's okay. 44 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.599 Yeah, Kareem kind of hit it there about this this 45 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.319 conspiracy and what we found with OSD because we are 46 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.159 I mean, we live in you know, we live in 47 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.319 very blue areas, right coastal elitism at its best, at 48 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.680 least we did when we started OSD, right, And so 49 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.520 I don't know if you can appreciate it. You're in Louisiana, now, 50 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.199 you've you've you've lived in probably more more red places 51 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.360 where you don't even think about this, but you don't 52 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:57.319 appreciate or a lot of your listeners are not going 53 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.360 to appreciate how against it. It's just so far and 54 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.319 just does not come up. Right. But then that that 55 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:09.520 natural desire and attraction for guns and messing around with 56 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.960 guns is always there. So we found so many what 57 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.719 i'd call closeted gun enthusiasts or gun curious people in 58 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:22.319 these blue kind of havens that it really gave us 59 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.960 the kind of the impetus for Open Source Defense to 60 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.159 be this place for you know, for for gun nuts 61 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.520 as well as the gun curious. And that's what kind 62 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.639 of established our brand was that we were you know, 63 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.360 I'm going to just because I'm among friends here, or like, yeah, 64 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:40.439 we want to get like I want I want machine 65 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.560 guns through the mail, right, that's the end goal here, right. 66 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.159 But but you know we don't have to lead with that, right, 67 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:48.240 we can just be like, well, yeah, we work together, 68 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.560 we're all in tech we have similar interests. And by 69 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.159 the way, you're really interested in guns, and I can 70 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:54.360 help you on board for that. 71 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.240 As far as like our goals with gun talk, one 72 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.199 of them is to make gun ownership unremarkable. 73 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.319 It's like, it's not it's done a thing, you know. 74 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:07.439 And also another thing, when you talk to folks who 75 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.719 live in maybe a big area, a blue state, whatever 76 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.080 it is, they may say, I don't know anybody who 77 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.720 owns guns, and you're like, yes, you do, go ask, 78 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.160 go ask, and then come back to me. And then 79 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.120 like you know, weeks or months later they go, you 80 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.680 know what, like like a third of the people I 81 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.040 know own guns. I'm like, yeah, you just don't talk 82 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:30.040 to each other about it. 83 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.439 Yeah, yeah. I think the thing that's missing is you 84 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.040 touched on this in your podcast a few weeks ago 85 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.199 with your dad and talked about your grandfather and how 86 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.120 he was out there taking all the celebrities and going 87 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.639 on these big hunts and like all this cultural normal 88 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:54.480 stuff that we lost and there needs to be And 89 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:56.560 we've done a little bit of this with our ost 90 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.720 off sites where we take our you know, we reach 91 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.360 out to our mailing list and our subscribers and say like, Hey, 92 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:05.040 we're gonna do arrange day in Austin. Hey, we're going 93 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.879 to do arrange day in Silicon Valley in Santa Clara 94 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.360 in northern California. Who wants to come? And we'll get 95 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.839 like some vps and directors and and you know tech people. 96 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.680 We even got Colleen Noir to come out and basically, 97 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.759 which was funny because nobody knew who he was. 98 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.040 They weren't like, We're like, oh my god. 99 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:24.920 I'm like, oh my god, Gollen's gonna come to our 100 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.160 our crappy, our little dinky shoot and he's gonna come flow. 101 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.480 I'm blowing away and they're like, oh, that guy's pretty 102 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.480 that guy's pretty good. Who's he? Right? 103 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.120 So, guys, how do we how do we grow that 104 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.639 gun culture? I mean, how do you guys approach it? 105 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:43.600 I think it's one of. 106 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.160 Those things like I love the word make it unremarkable, 107 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.079 And the thing I always go to is, it's like 108 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.720 anything else, it's only weird if you make it weird, kry, like, 109 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.279 if you approach. 110 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.959 It as like the way we. 111 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.680 Are normalizing this is like I'm those going to treat 112 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.839 it like it's normal and manifest that. I think that's 113 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.319 the way to do it. Like we often forget, you know, 114 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.759 if you have fifty. 115 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.319 Guns and you've owned guns as long as you as 116 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:12.879 long as you. 117 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:18.000 Can remember, we forget how remarkable it is to somebody 118 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.560 who does not own any guns and maybe hasn't. 119 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.480 Seen one in real life. 120 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.480 I had the I you know, grew up like going 121 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.639 steat shooting once every couple of years or something. 122 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.439 But that was my experience with guns. 123 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.279 So I was lucky enough to buy my first gun 124 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:38.079 in my mid twenties, so I have first hand experience 125 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.319 of like how hyped people are when they buy their 126 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:42.319 first gun. 127 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.360 And like enter into this world. 128 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.519 Just having it in your house and having it like 129 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:49.720 store it away and then you get it out just 130 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.000 look at it and you know, rack the slide and 131 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.319 whatever like that is super exciting to somebody who has 132 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.639 not done that before. And that doesn't have to be 133 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.439 like negative or weird. It can be exciting in the 134 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.399 same way that like, you know, buying a new set 135 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.079 of golf clubs or something might be if you love golf. 136 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.560 But yeah, I think we like often we get into 137 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.120 the politics or take someone to the range and start 138 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.319 ranting about like like the wait time on this suppressor. 139 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.560 Can you believe like this SVR the same as this, 140 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:24.920 you know, sixteen inch gun. 141 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.480 But it's a felony if you don't go through. 142 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:29.560 The paperwork, and like there's so much baggage you can 143 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.959 pile onto this. And I think instead for newbies, we 144 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.439 need to just like let it breathe, like let it 145 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:37.480 be the fun. 146 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.000 Exciting thing that it is, yep. 147 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.879 And then just shepherd them along the way and be 148 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:44.600 there to answer questions when they have them. 149 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:45.680 Yeah, I think that's a good point. 150 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.079 Is like kind of if you are trying to be 151 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.600 and probably if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably 152 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:53.560 a gun enthusiast most likely, and so you are the 153 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.519 gun guy in your in your office. And but when 154 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.279 we had two we had two people here last week 155 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.959 for one of our classes that were from Seattle, and 156 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.079 so they're they're like, yeah, we're kind of in the 157 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.920 middle of it, and you can get that feeling of 158 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.399 like no one is a gun person around me, but 159 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.560 you know, probably staying away from politics, maybe staying away 160 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.920 from the lingo. I mean, gosh, the lingo stuff, the 161 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.319 jargon stuff with guns. It's like, yeah, I've got an 162 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.600 ar tenants in seven six two by thirty nine. I 163 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.519 put a three to nine on top of it. And 164 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.560 you know somebody who's like, I'm interested, but I don't 165 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.040 know what the hell you're talking about. 166 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.840 Yeah, that's on. You make a good point because like 167 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:38.159 it's it's on. We're all gun nuts probably listening, and 168 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:41.960 you know, certainly sitting at this table. It's we've been 169 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.679 doing it for years. We have good knowledge. We have 170 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.559 seen the evolution of how we do things and how 171 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:51.279 we shoot and everything. It's you really have to step 172 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.919 back if you're going to take someone and have an 173 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.120 experience at the range and just just ease up. And 174 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.919 I know it's hard because we're all quasi autistic about 175 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.919 guns and just want to go full boar like this 176 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.440 is my crazy hobby and you can do this and 177 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.600 this is awesome and this and this and this, and 178 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.519 it just takes you really have to make a concerted 179 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.320 effort to take someone to the range in a very 180 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.679 neutral and flat way. I mean, have them fun, get 181 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:18.279 them safe, but don't worry about every little nuance of 182 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.879 grip and stance and trigger and get them good fundamentals, 183 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.840 but like, don't make it a chore and don't overdo 184 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.720 the information overload that you're gonna feel like you want 185 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.120 to give them. Just give them a taste. 186 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.960 Yep, yep, yeah, a little bit, a little taste and 187 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.159 probably a little taste for any of us is a lot. Like, Man, 188 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.240 I shot four guns today with this with my buddy 189 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.799 who I work with, And I shot a nine, and 190 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.399 I shot a twenty two, and I shot a rifle. 191 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.000 Like that's a lot, especially if you've never shot a 192 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:48.559 gun before. 193 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.360 I mean, you guys have. 194 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.919 You both have backgrounds in in the tech world, and 195 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:01.799 I think it's interesting because sometimes for gun enthusiasm, the 196 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.320 tech where we all use tech, every single person, even 197 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:09.840 if you're you're low tech, you're still using it. 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How do you guys 258 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.200 pick the content that's on there? 259 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:36.080 How do you approach that? 260 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.000 It's a great question because it changes week to week. 261 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.879 It's kind of it comes from a couple things, So 262 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.320 what is in the news is often a big driver, 263 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:54.279 and the general approaches take what is in the news 264 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:59.039 and think about it for more than ten minutes. I 265 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.159 think it's very easy and common to do kind of 266 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:06.200 a typical reactive article about something. And that's and I 267 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.559 don't even want to make that sound so bad, like 268 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.759 probably somebody needs to be doing that, But I think 269 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.799 it's interesting to get away from the politics of stuff 270 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.000 and talk about, you know, how does this thing that 271 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.240 we think applies to this you know, court case that 272 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:28.360 came out or ATF ruling or you know, whatever whatever's 273 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.399 happening in the news, how does. 274 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.039 That apply to some broader. 275 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.960 Themes that we've seen elsewhere in society that could help 276 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.679 people connect dots where they don't think about guns necessarily. 277 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.679 So thinking about we write a lot about stuff like 278 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.840 administrative law and how you know that overlaps of the 279 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.799 ATF and or even things that get away from law entirely. 280 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:54.679 So we write about technology a lot, decentralization of technology, AI, 281 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.720 et cetera. And that really embraces this idea that like 282 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:04.039 guns are a technology. Right, Like the people who start 283 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.399 tech companies today, if they lived in the late eighteen hundreds, 284 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.600 they might have been like you know, Hire and Percy 285 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.639 Maxim or something, or Samuel Colt or whoever, like those 286 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:19.320 were the founders of their day. And so yeah, I 287 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.440 think the big thing is like, how can we connect 288 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.240 a dot that is not necessarily intuitive but kind of 289 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:26.799 makes sense in retrospect. 290 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:31.840 Yeah, yeah, I like the one recently of the title 291 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:37.399 is sig sour s you are on pointing the sig 292 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.759 P three twenty eight your for more artery and then 293 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.679 just obviously that's one that popped up in the news 294 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.559 and is big. But you guys are you're you're covering 295 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:52.360 gun right stuff. You're covering a little bit of everything, right, I. 296 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:55.320 Mean the value. I mean, Kareem under sells himself. He's 297 00:15:55.360 --> 00:16:01.080 an excellent wordsmith and he is an excellent observer at 298 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.080 like he says, at this higher level. So when you 299 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.519 can divorce the organization. The way we set it up 300 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.639 is we don't need to be like right up in 301 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.360 front breaking news, like just jumping on the bandwagon. We 302 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.519 have no other goals than to get our message out, 303 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.360 so we can take time. We only published once a 304 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.360 week on our on our substack, and we post on 305 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.000 X a bit more frequently to kind of keep current. 306 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.600 But and I would you know, use you all should 307 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:32.799 subscribe to our newsletter at open Source defense dot com, 308 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.919 which will lead you to the substack and the newsletter subscription, 309 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.559 because you will not absolutely not get a more kind 310 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.360 of thoughtful approach to thinking about the current gun things 311 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.799 of the time of the day, of the week, of 312 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.879 the month, then you will from us. Actually, I would 313 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:58.080 say maybe the reload would be another good thought. Yeah, 314 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.679 Steven's a great job. So there's not a lot of 315 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.519 those sources. I mean, most of us are kind of 316 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:05.640 inter reactive mode because we're getting beat up all the time. 317 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.759 So it makes sense that we have people like kind 318 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.079 of keeping up and they should, like Kareem says, we 319 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.720 need that because the velocity of bad stuff happening and 320 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.519 good stuff happening needs that immediacy. But that's a pain 321 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:18.000 in the neck and it's a lot of work. We 322 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.160 have day jobs. We want to we can afford to 323 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.319 be a little bit more thoughtful and kind of back off. 324 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.960 Let those other guys do the heavy lift of the 325 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.240 immediate stuff. Guys like you and you know, the more 326 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.319 immediate media, the bigger media, and we can take the 327 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:35.960 luxury of stepping back and thinking about it in bigger terms. 328 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.599 Yeah, I mean, it's it's great stuff. Sub stack. 329 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.559 Do you guys find that that's a that's a good 330 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.279 place as far as the gun content goes, I mean 331 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:50.000 it's it's it's fairly, fairly freedom loving as far as 332 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:50.880 the content goes. 333 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:57.519 Yeah, you can do content wise pretty much whatever you want. 334 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.880 We have not come close to pushing the limits on substack, 335 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.799 and our content generally is not edgy in that type 336 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:13.920 of way. Maybe in other ways, but yeah, like a 337 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.960 substack is an awesome platform. We're very happy with it. 338 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.759 Yeah, it's interesting. 339 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.400 As far as looking for sources of information, we're kind 340 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.519 of an interesting time, right because people kind of curate 341 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.240 their news, they curate what's being fed to them. I mean, 342 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.839 we have algorithms, right, But it's also like you. 343 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:36.480 Can seek out these. 344 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.880 New sources like a substack to say this is what 345 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.799 I want, and I mean all la carte sort of 346 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.759 pay for what you'd like to pay for, right. 347 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:50.839 Yeah, this is going to evolve. If you want to 348 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:54.680 talk about technology and kind of where we're going, you're 349 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.720 right that we've kind of we gravitate towards these news 350 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:01.279 areas or these social areas that kind of agree with 351 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.200 us that probably you know, we're all in our little bubbles, 352 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.519 but I think but remember we're in the first iteration 353 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.640 of social media and this reimaging of news and information. 354 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.960 We're the first users. I'm like a gen X first 355 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.000 user of this stuff. My kid who is around twenty four, 356 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.799 which I guess is what gen Z. I guess like 357 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.519 he's already he was born with this stuff, especially because 358 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.039 his dad was working in tech in social media when 359 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:31.880 he was you know, just right there. And it's amazing 360 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:36.279 to see that he's already kind of evolved. So there's 361 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:41.039 a business opportunity between kind of the AI that's more 362 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.039 and more available and people's awareness that they don't want 363 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.039 to be in their bubble, that there's an opportunity here 364 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.279 for some sort of news aggregation or a more algorithmic approach, 365 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.519 and not in a bad way, but a way to 366 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:00.480 curate and filter and to get a little bit closer 367 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:05.440 to reality through kind of AI models and curation through that, right, 368 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:07.240 And I know I've seen the beginnings of a few 369 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.599 of these, like these news aggregators and people who are 370 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:11.319 purposely trying to go from more in the middle of 371 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.359 the road and not load themselves up with with blue 372 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.799 or red baggage. I think that's an opportunity because the 373 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:23.319 amount of information exponentially going up, right, Uh, leveraging an 374 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.440 AI system that can make sense of that is is inevitable. 375 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:28.480 It's it's going to happen. 376 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.160 Is that Is that good for the audience? 377 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.240 I mean, because people get very you know, it's like 378 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:37.160 I really want to use AI where and we use 379 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.759 it for certain tasks I think everybody does, right, But 380 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.160 then it's like they'll AI make stuff up, you know, 381 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.519 AI kind of and you guys probably know a whole 382 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:50.480 lot more about that than I do. I mean, being 383 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.759 in that in that tech world. I mean, is there 384 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:58.799 is there is there a reason for concern among gun 385 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.640 culture people the growth of AI. 386 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.559 It's I think it's less of a concern. I mean, 387 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:08.240 I wouldn't say it's either good or bad. It's how 388 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.680 you use it, right. It's like a gun. It's very powerful, 389 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.400 it's new, and it's very you know, it should be 390 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.279 accessible to people and you can do a lot of damage, 391 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.319 and you can do a lot of good and you 392 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.319 can even protect yourself and protect yourself from harm with 393 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.480 it a gun and AI. So I would strive for 394 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.519 people to keep an open mind. The things personally in 395 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.559 Korean can you know, fill in here if I'm off base, 396 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.039 But the things I worry about is I want more. 397 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.680 I don't want AI to be crippled by guardrails and 398 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:43.559 safety systems. I already saw what that did. We all 399 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:47.000 did in social media, right, And so the hope is 400 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.200 it's open enough that the systems that do that, like 401 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.720