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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you've given me quite the reading list here,

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<v Speaker 1>lots about cybersecurity education and research. Seems like you're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in how we're you know, getting ready for these more

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<v Speaker 1>and more complex cyber threats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's a big topic, it is, and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>What I think is really interesting is that these sources

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of point to like this future where cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge is just like common, like everyone knows it and

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<v Speaker 2>knowing how to use a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so like everyone like from college freshmen to

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<v Speaker 1>judges needs to know this stuff exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not even just about like making sure everyone

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<v Speaker 2>has the information, you know, like the research from that

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty National Cyber Summit, for example, that one really

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<v Speaker 2>emphasizes like we need to build a whole new kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cybersecurity mindset. Oh yeah, I saw that one that's

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<v Speaker 2>like proactive and adaptive really understands how these cyber threats work,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because you're always changing. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They use this term adversarial thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that, Yeah, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that actually mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's basically about learning to think like the attacker,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like instead of just saying, okay, how do

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<v Speaker 2>I defend this system. Yeah, you think, how would someone

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<v Speaker 2>try to break into this? You know, like what's their motivation,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of tactics do they use, even like their psychology,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like playing chess, but instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to checkmate your opponent, you're trying to anticipate their

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<v Speaker 1>every move and build up your defenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's a great analogy. And like this shift

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<v Speaker 2>in how we think it's starting to show up in

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<v Speaker 2>how cybersecurity is being you know, taught and assessed. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the researchers at the National Cyber Summit talk about something

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<v Speaker 2>called the Cybersecurity Concept Inventory.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that mentioned in a couple of the articles,

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<v Speaker 1>but I got it. I'm a little fuzzy on what

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like this tool and it's designed to like

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<v Speaker 2>figure out if students really get those like core concepts

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<v Speaker 2>of cybersecurity. And what's really cool about it is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just about memorizing stuff. The searchers actually talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how hard it was for them to like to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with questions that really assess critical thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>that adversarial thinking we were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of just being like, what is fishing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more like, here's a situation, what are the red flags

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<v Speaker 1>and how would you actually respond?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like they really wanted to get away

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<v Speaker 2>from those like traditional multiple choice questions. Yeah, and build

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<v Speaker 2>these scenarios that force students to analyze things right, evaluate

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<v Speaker 2>apply their knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And they even like they did a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with students, okay, just to make sure they were

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<v Speaker 2>capturing the right ideas and the right challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of those medical school exams where they

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<v Speaker 1>give you a patient case and then you have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what's wrong and how to treat them based

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, yeah, the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good comparison. Yeah, And speaking of different fields,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting to see how cybersecurity education is like expanding,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like beyond just the computer science departments, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's this growing awareness that professionals and like all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of fields need this knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really fascinated by that article about creating a

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<v Speaker 1>digital forensics training like specifically for judges and prosecutors, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the legal system is always trying to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up it is, yeah, with technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh totally, And like that knowledge gap. It could have

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<v Speaker 2>real consequences. You know, imagine a judge they're in a

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<v Speaker 2>case with like digital evidence, Yeah, but they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>understand like how it was collected or analyzed. It could

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<v Speaker 2>lead to like rulings that are unfair or even wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's a really good point. I hadn't even

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<v Speaker 1>thought about it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so like educating judges about things like digital forensics,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really about making sure that those legal decisions are

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<v Speaker 2>fair and informed in a world that's like only getting

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<v Speaker 2>more digital. Absolutely, and this need for like broader cybersecurity education,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes way beyond the court room. You know, another

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<v Speaker 2>source you sent it talks about this modular lecture series

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<v Speaker 2>video based and it was made to be accessible to

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<v Speaker 2>like community college students, busy professionals, everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is the one that really caught my eye.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes this lecture series different?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, it covers like a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff blockchain, cryptocurrencies, ethical hacking, even the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And they designed it so that it's really flexible, like

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<v Speaker 2>people could pick and choose the modules that like they're

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<v Speaker 2>interested in or that relate to their careers.

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<v Speaker 1>They choose your own adventure for cybersecurity education. That's really cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Different from those like typical boring lectures, right, Like these

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<v Speaker 2>modules are supposed to be like engaging, kind of edgy

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<v Speaker 2>even they talk about stuff that people are actually curious about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like not just learning about firewalls. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like getting a glimpse into like the world of crypto

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<v Speaker 2>or like ethical hacking, like a little taste of cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>So people want to learn more. Yeah, that's a good

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<v Speaker 2>way put it. It's like an appetizer, especially since there's

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<v Speaker 2>just so much information out there. You know. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>building like a foundation of knowledge and then letting people

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<v Speaker 2>like pursue what they're actually into. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So we've talked about a new cybersecurity mindset and

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<v Speaker 1>making education more accessible. What other big trends are we

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<v Speaker 1>seeing in these articles?

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the coolest things is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>this real shift happening towards like hands on learning and gamification.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the old way of doing things with lectures and textbooks,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of fading away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. You can only read so much

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<v Speaker 1>about network security before your eyes like lays over. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're actually building a network and trying to defend

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<v Speaker 1>it against simulated attacks. That's like a whole other level totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually one of the articles you sent it dives

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<v Speaker 2>into using serious games to teach devsekops. Okay, have you

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<v Speaker 2>heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not super familiar with it. Can you break it down?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So it stands for Development, Security and Operations and

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically a set of practices that like build security

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<v Speaker 2>into every part of making software. So instead of thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about security like at the end, you know, as an afterthought,

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<v Speaker 2>it's baked into the process from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like preventing those vulnerabilities instead of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>fix them later exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where these serious games come in. They create

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<v Speaker 2>these like simulated worlds where students can like play around

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<v Speaker 2>with devsekops principles, you know, they make decisions about security investments,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they actually see what happens based on their choices.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like a flight simulator for software developers.

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<v Speaker 1>They can crash and burn in the virtual world without

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, actually causing damage exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the games in the research actually makes

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<v Speaker 2>students think about like the costs and the risks of

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<v Speaker 2>different security measures. Ok, Like they have to make tough

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<v Speaker 2>choices balance the need for security with other things like budget,

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<v Speaker 2>how long it takes to develop user experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so they're really having to like think critically and strategically.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and I bet it's way more fun than

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<v Speaker 2>just reading about it in the textbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Right for sure. And I think another research team was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about their work with something called a single board

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<v Speaker 1>computing constellation, Oh, yes, which is basically it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Small cheap computers all network together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to give students hands on experience with like cybersecurity concepts,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not just reading about firewalls, they're actually configuring

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<v Speaker 1>them and testing them out in a safe environment exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You can explore things like kernel modifications, network traffic analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>even like ethical hacking techniques. But it's all in this

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<v Speaker 2>like controlled setting.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a cybersecurity playground where students can experiment

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<v Speaker 1>and learn without worrying about breaking anything important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And this

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<v Speaker 2>like hands on approach it's really key to understanding like

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<v Speaker 2>the technical side of cybersecurity. You know, it's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>to read about how a network works, but it's totally

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<v Speaker 2>different to build one, configure it, and then try to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hack into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because that's where the real learning happens, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you run into those challenges and have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to solve them yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And that leads us to another big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>These articles highlight the cutting edge research that's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of cybersecurity. It's not just about making education better.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about like pushing the boundaries of what we know

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<v Speaker 2>and coming up with new tech and strategies to fight

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<v Speaker 2>these these threats that are always changing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really interested in that research on securing all these

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<v Speaker 1>new technologies, especially because the world is like becoming so

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<v Speaker 1>interconnected so fast. What were some of the key areas

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<v Speaker 1>that stood out to you, Well, the research.

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<v Speaker 2>From the National Cyber Summit. They really dig deep into

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing about securing unmanned aerial vehicles. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just a fancy way of saying drones.

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<v Speaker 1>Drones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I never really thought about the cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 2>side of drones before, right, but it makes sense. They're

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<v Speaker 2>like flying computers, you know, and if someone hacks into one,

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<v Speaker 2>the results could be pretty bad. And the researchers they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about some of the unique challenges with drones, like

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<v Speaker 2>how much they rely on wireless communication and how they

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<v Speaker 2>might be used in like really sensitive areas. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not just talking about some kid's toy drone like

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<v Speaker 2>getting hacked and flying into a tree. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the potential for like espionage, sabotage, even physical harm.

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<v Speaker 1>So like if a drone was carrying something sensitive and

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<v Speaker 1>it was hijacked or its data was stolen, that could

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<v Speaker 1>have serious consequences for like national security businesses, even individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally. And to deal with those challenges, the

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<v Speaker 2>researchers talk about things like the CNSSP twenty eight, which

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<v Speaker 2>is basically a set of cybersecurity rules specifically for national

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<v Speaker 2>security systems that are unmanned. Okay, so they're essentially trying

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<v Speaker 2>to create a framework for like building and using secure

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<v Speaker 2>drones for the government and the military.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like building codes for houses, but

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<v Speaker 1>for drones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way to think about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>besides those rules, they're also looking at how to make

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<v Speaker 2>civilian drones safer too, looking at things like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how to authenticate drones, protect the communication channels, even put

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<v Speaker 2>in like self destruct features if a drone gets compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>Self destruct. That sounds pretty intense, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, but it just shows how serious this is. If

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<v Speaker 2>a drone is compromised and there's no way to get

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<v Speaker 2>it back, sometimes the best thing to do is make

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<v Speaker 2>sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or cause more problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's kind of a last resort to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger disaster exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And this research on drone security is just one example

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<v Speaker 2>of the cutting edge work being done in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Another area getting a lot of attention is security for

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like everything in our homes is getting connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the internet these days, smart refrigerators, smart thermostats, smart doorbells,

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, but also a little overwhelming from a security

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. And the researchers they're finding some pretty scary

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerabilities in these systems, Like they've found ways that hackers

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so someone could hack into my smart meter and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out when I'm home when I'm not even what

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible, Yeah, and that data could be used for

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things like targeted advertising, but also scarier

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of unsettling to think about how our personal

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and it really highlights how important it is

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<v Speaker 1>So what can we do do we have to get

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily, there are things we can do to lessen

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<v Speaker 2>the risks without going totally offline. We'll talk about some

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<v Speaker 2>of those and explore other cool aspects of cybersecurity research

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so before the break, we were talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>hackers can actually use smart devices to figure out our

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty creepy, right, Yeah, a little unsettling, but there's good news.

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<v Speaker 2>Cybersecurity folks are coming up with ways to protect on

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<v Speaker 2>privacy in this world where everything's connected.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the articles you sent actually talks about a

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<v Speaker 2>technique called iotl.

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<v Speaker 1>IOTL that sounds like some kind of secret code. What

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it stands for Mitigation of IoT Leakage, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty smart approach. Basically, what it does is

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<v Speaker 2>like it introduces fake traffic into your home network.

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<v Speaker 1>Fake traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Think of it like a digital smoke screen. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that hides what you're really doing. So attackers have a

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<v Speaker 2>much harder time getting any useful information from your smart devices.

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<v Speaker 1>So if a hacker is watching my network, they'll see

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<v Speaker 1>all this fake activity mixed in with my real activity exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes it hard to tell them apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like trying to find a needle in a haystack,

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<v Speaker 2>but a haystack is constantly moving and changing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty clever. Are there other things we can do

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<v Speaker 1>to protect ourselves without having to give up all our

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<v Speaker 1>smart devices? Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, for starters, be careful about what information you're

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<v Speaker 2>giving your devices, Like think twice before letting an app

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<v Speaker 1>Data, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Or access your contacts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so easy to just click allow without really thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Right, but those choices can really affect your privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, you know you strong passwords and turn on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's cybersecurity one on one, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's always good to be reminded. What about

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<v Speaker 1>keeping our software updated? That could be such a pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it's so tempting to ignore those notifications.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but guess those updates often have important security fixes.

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<v Speaker 2>Do to address vulnerabilities, right exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Think if I'm like getting a flu shot for your devices,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps protect you from the newest threats out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Good enough, joy, What if you're not really sure how

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<v Speaker 1>to secure your device? Are there like resources people can use?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely. Organizations like o wast O, WASP, the

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<v Speaker 2>Open Web Application Security Project, Okay, they have tons of

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<v Speaker 2>information and guys on how to secure web applications, including

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<v Speaker 2>ones used in a lot of smart home devices.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's help out there if we need it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. You don't have to be a cybersecurity whiz

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<v Speaker 2>to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good to know. So we've talked about a new

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<v Speaker 1>mindset for cybersecurity, making education more accessible and even some

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<v Speaker 1>ways to protect ourselves in this connected world. Anything else

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<v Speaker 1>jumping out at you from these articles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of the things I'm most excited about is

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<v Speaker 2>this move towards hands on learning and using games to

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<v Speaker 2>teach these concepts, especially with things like DevSecOps, which we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think a lot of people learn best by

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<v Speaker 1>doing so that approach makes a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sense, right, and the research shows how effective it

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<v Speaker 2>can be. Like, there's this one game it's called Gaming DevSecOps,

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<v Speaker 2>and it puts students in the role of software developers

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<v Speaker 2>who have to like build a system as fast as

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<v Speaker 2>they can, Okay, but at the same time they're facing

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<v Speaker 2>all these security challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about coding. It's about understanding how

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<v Speaker 1>those coding decisions could impact security. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Students have to think strategically about security investments,

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<v Speaker 2>figure out the costs and risks of different approaches, deal

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<v Speaker 2>with unexpected stuff like cyber attacks. It makes them think

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot different from just reading a textbook.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, yeah. It really brings the concepts to life,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. The researchers found that students who played this

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<v Speaker 2>game actually did way better on tests about dev secops.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, compared to students who learned the traditional way.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. It seems like games could really change the game

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<v Speaker 1>for cybersecurity education.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. And it's not just dev secops either.

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<v Speaker 2>They're using games to teach all sorts of cybersecurity topics,

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<v Speaker 2>from network security to incident response.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. Games are engaging, They pull you in and

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<v Speaker 1>you can experiment without any real world consequences, you know, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And this whole idea of hands on interactive learning it

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<v Speaker 2>goes beyond games too. Some researchers are using things like

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember reading about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like those old chemistry sets, but instead of mixing chemicals,

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<v Speaker 2>students are building and hacking devices.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like becoming cybersecurity tinkerers exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're given the tools and knowledge to explore an

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<v Speaker 2>experiment in a safe environment. That's how you build the

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<v Speaker 2>next generation of cybersecurity pros.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked a lot about the educational side of things,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about the research, like the actual work being

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<v Speaker 1>done to secure all this new tech. We touched on drones,

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<v Speaker 1>but where else are researchers focusing their energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one big area is communication security, especially for the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet of things, right. Researchers are looking at all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of ways to protect the data that's flowing between all

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<v Speaker 1>Connected to, right, because if that communication channel is compromised,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's game over, exactly. And they're looking at everything

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<v Speaker 1>from the traditional encryption to more advanced techniques like using

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<v Speaker 1>multiple drones to create interference so attackers can't eavesdrop. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also exploring ways to like authenticate devices so you can

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<v Speaker 1>be sure you're actually talking to your smart thermostat, right

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<v Speaker 1>and not some hackers' device exactly. Sounds like they're really

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<v Speaker 1>pulling out all the stops.

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<v Speaker 2>They are, and it's not just about protecting the devices themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Researchers are also figuring out how to secure the data

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<v Speaker 2>those systems collect in store too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's important. I mean, we've seen how valuable

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<v Speaker 1>that data can be and how it can be used

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<v Speaker 1>in good and bad ways exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're exploring things like data encryption, access controls, even

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<v Speaker 2>ways to securely delete data. The goal is to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that even if a hacker gets their hands on

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<v Speaker 2>your data. It's either completely useless or way too hard

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<v Speaker 1>So even if someone gets into my smart home system,

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<v Speaker 1>they won't be able to access my info or mess

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<v Speaker 2>That's the idea. Yeah, And even if they can get

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<v Speaker 2>to the data, they might not even know if it's real.

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<v Speaker 2>Some researchers are working on ways to sneak fake data

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<v Speaker 2>into these systems. Oh wow, just to mess with the attackers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a digital game of cat and mouse, with

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<v Speaker 1>researchers always trying to stay one step ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to put it. Yeah, cybersecurity is

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<v Speaker 2>a field that's constantly changing. As new technology comes out

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<v Speaker 2>and new threats pop up, the researchers have to keep

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like it takes a certain kind of person to

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<v Speaker 1>like an attacker, predict their moves, and then come up

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<v Speaker 2>It does take a special set of skills and a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way of thinking. But the cool thing about cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's not just about technical stuff. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>about psychology, human behavior, even economics.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. Yeah, So it's not just about building unbreakable systems,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about understanding the people who are trying to break

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<v Speaker 1>in exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Cybersecurity is a field where you got to know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different things. Yea, not just tech. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>people and how they use tech. That's what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've talked about education, the research, even ways

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<v Speaker 1>to protect ourselves, But what about the people doing these attacks?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are these hackers and what do they want?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tough question and the answer kind of depends

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<v Speaker 2>on the attack. Some hackers are after money, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to steal data or cash, you know. Others have political

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<v Speaker 2>or ideological reasons. They want to cause trouble for organizations

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like a whole range of bad guys from

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<v Speaker 1>like small time thieves to organized crime to like state

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way to think about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the attacks themselves, they can range from simple things like

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<v Speaker 2>phishing scams to super complicated multi stage operations, custom malware,

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<v Speaker 2>tons of planning.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little scary to think about how sophisticated some

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<v Speaker 1>of these attacks are getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not just teenagers in their basements anymore, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the targets are changing too. We're seeing attacks on

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about protecting our computers and data anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about protecting our way of life exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Cybersecurity isn't just a technical issue anymore. It affects all

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<v Speaker 2>of society definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about some real world examples of cyber

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<v Speaker 1>attacks from these articles, cases that really show the scale

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<v Speaker 1>and sophistication of the threats were up against. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the biggest ones was the Bangladesh bank heist.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember that. That was back in twenty sixteen, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Hackers got away with millions of dollars by taking advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of weaknesses in the Swift network. Yeah, that's the global

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<v Speaker 1>financial messaging system, right, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a crazy sophisticated attack. They combined technical skills,

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<v Speaker 2>social engineering, and they even understood how the bank worked internally.

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<v Speaker 2>They got into the bank system, installed malware, and then

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<v Speaker 2>sent fake messages through Swift to transfer money to their

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<v Speaker 2>own accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>So they didn't just break into one system. They comprom

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<v Speaker 1>multiple systems and got them to do what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a perfectly planned digital heist exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is how they combine technical skills with understanding

439
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<v Speaker 1>how people behave. You know, they exploited weaknesses and the

440
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<v Speaker 1>bank's security procedures and even tricked employees into helping them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it just shows that even the most secure systems are

442
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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable if the people using them aren't careful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so true. The investigation is still going on, but

444
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<v Speaker 2>they've figured out a lot about how it happened. They

445
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<v Speaker 2>followed the money, identified some of the people involved, and

446
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<v Speaker 2>even found evidence that someone who worked at the bank

447
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<v Speaker 2>might have helped them.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's wild.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really shows how cybersecurity isn't just about technology.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It's also about people, the processes, and the whole culture

451
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<v Speaker 2>of security within organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about stopping attacks, it's about finding

453
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<v Speaker 1>them early and reacting quickly to limit the damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And that brings us to another interesting case, a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of attacks on Brazilian banks. These show how important

456
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<v Speaker 2>and it is to be on guard and take proactive

457
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<v Speaker 2>security measures.

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<v Speaker 1>I read about those they were different from the Bangladesh

459
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<v Speaker 1>Bank thing because they didn't use brute force hacking or malware.

460
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<v Speaker 1>They exploited vulnerabilities in the domain name system, the internet's

461
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<v Speaker 1>phone book.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically exactly, they took control of the bank's domain registrations

463
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<v Speaker 2>and changed the DNS records that they pointed to their

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<v Speaker 2>own servers. So when customers tried to go to the

465
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<v Speaker 2>bank's website, they were redirected to fake websites that looked

466
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<v Speaker 2>exactly like the real thing.

467
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<v Speaker 1>So the customers thought they were logging in, but they

468
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<v Speaker 1>were actually giving their info to the attackers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. And it gets worse. They even got valid HTTPS

470
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<v Speaker 2>certificates for those fake sites, so the user's browsers showed

471
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<v Speaker 2>the green lock, you know, like it was secure seeky.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, And it shows how important it is for

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<v Speaker 2>people to be careful about where they enter their personal

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<v Speaker 2>information online. Even if a website looks real and has

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<v Speaker 2>that security certificate, it could still be a.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Trap, So we need to be really careful. And it

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<v Speaker 1>also shows how important and it is to educate users

478
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<v Speaker 1>right oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, people need to understand the basics of how the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet works, how to spot phishing scams, how to check

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<v Speaker 2>if a website is legit.

482
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<v Speaker 1>Because a lot of times the weakest link.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Is us exactly. So it's crucial to invest in security

484
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<v Speaker 2>awareness training and empower users to take charge of their

485
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<v Speaker 2>own safety online.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've seen how hackers can target banks, individuals, even

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<v Speaker 1>critical infrastructure. What are we doing to fight back? Are

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and cybersecurity professionals keeping up with all these

489
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<v Speaker 1>evolving threats.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tough battle, but there are some good things happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We read about a group of researchers who are developing

492
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<v Speaker 2>a system called secure Swift okay, and it's designed to

493
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<v Speaker 2>improve the security of the Swift network by adding another

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<v Speaker 2>layer of authentication and monitoring. They want to use digital

495
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<v Speaker 2>signatures and machine learning to spot and stop fraudulent messages.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like giving Swift a digital bodyguard exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you make it way harder to pull off another

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<v Speaker 2>Bangladesh bang heist. And this is just one example of

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<v Speaker 2>the innovative solutions being developed to fight cybercrime. We're also

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<v Speaker 2>seeing progress in things like threat intelligence sharing, where companies

501
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<v Speaker 2>work together and share information about the latest threats and vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that makes sense.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we can share information about the bad guys

504
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<v Speaker 2>and what they're doing. We can all better protect ourselves

505
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<v Speaker 2>right and law enforcement is stepping up too. They're working

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<v Speaker 2>with cybersecurity experts to track down hackers, stop their operations,

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<v Speaker 2>and bring them to justice. We're seeing more international cooperation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is important because cybercrime crosses borders all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to know that someone's out there fighting the

510
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<v Speaker 1>good fight.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, yeah, and it's important to remember that we

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<v Speaker 2>all have a role to play in cybersecurity. By being

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<v Speaker 2>aware of the risks, taking those precautions, and supporting law

514
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<v Speaker 2>enforcement and those cybersecurity professionals, we can make the digital

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<v Speaker 2>world safer for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, We've covered a lot in this deep dive,

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<v Speaker 1>from the importance of education and training to the research

518
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<v Speaker 1>happening right now to secure our digital world. But clearly

519
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<v Speaker 1>this is an ongoing challenge and we need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>adapting as the threats change.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, cybersecurity isn't a destination, it's a journey.

522
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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a good way to put it. It feels

523
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<v Speaker 1>like we've only just scratched the surface we.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Have, but I think we've laid a good foundation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>clear that cybersecurity isn't just some technical problem. It touches

526
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<v Speaker 2>every part of our lives, how we bank, shop, communicate,

527
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<v Speaker 2>even how we control our homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a part of everything, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we need to think about the future of cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>What can we do to make the digital world safer

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<v Speaker 2>and more secure for us and for future generations.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the big question, isn't it. Where do we go

533
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<v Speaker 1>from here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing that's clear from all this research is

535
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<v Speaker 2>that there's no easy answer, no single technology or strategy

536
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<v Speaker 2>that's going to solve everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to take a bunch of different approaches, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of collaboration between governments, companies, schools, and

539
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<v Speaker 2>regular people. Everyone has a part to play, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to be thinking long term.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure.

542
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

543
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<v Speaker 2>We need to invest in research and development, strengthen our defenses,

544
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<v Speaker 2>and most importantly, educate the next generation of cybersecurity folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of education, we've seen some really cool approaches in

546
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<v Speaker 1>these articles, games, hands on labs, even cybersecurity training for judges.

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<v Speaker 1>What other trends are you noticing in this area?

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<v Speaker 2>One promising one is this move towards what they call

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<v Speaker 2>competency based education. Okay, I means focusing on what students

550
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<v Speaker 2>can actually do, not just what they know.

551
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<v Speaker 1>So it's about being able to use that knowledge in

552
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<v Speaker 1>the real world, not just passing tests exactly.

553
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<v Speaker 2>Designing courses that match industry standards, giving students a chance

554
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<v Speaker 2>to get real world experience through internships and stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. We need to make sure cybersecurity grads

556
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<v Speaker 2>are ready to work and have the skills they need

557
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<v Speaker 2>to succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just technical skills, right right.

559
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<v Speaker 2>We also need to help them develop those soft skills

560
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<v Speaker 2>like communication, problem solving, working in teams because in cybersecurity

561
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you rarely work alone.

562
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a team effort for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, And that brings us to another interesting trend.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a growing focus on collaboration between different fields. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so cybersecurity isn't stuck in the computer science department anymore.

566
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 2>It's branching out. Okay, We're seeing it integrated into law, business, healthcare,

567
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 2>even the humanities. Wow, which makes sense. As cybersecurity becomes

568
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<v Speaker 2>more and more part of everything, we need people with

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<v Speaker 2>different backgrounds and skills to tackle these challenges. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>breaking down those old walls and bringing people together from

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<v Speaker 2>different fields to come up with creative solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that's saying two heads are better than one,

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<v Speaker 1>but in this case, it's more like a dozen heads

574
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<v Speaker 1>with different expertise are better than one. Uh huh. That's

575
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a great way to put it. And in the end,

576
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 1>it all comes back to having a cybersecurity mindset. It's

577
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<v Speaker 1>not just about having the skills. It's about knowing the risks,

578
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<v Speaker 1>thinking critically, and being proactive about security.

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<v Speaker 2>So making cybersecurity to be a part of everyday life,

580
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<v Speaker 2>like wearing a seatbelt or locking your doors.

581
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's something everyone can do, no matter how tech

582
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 1>savvy they are.

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<v Speaker 2>So before we wrap up this deep dive, any practical

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<v Speaker 2>tips for our listeners on how to improve their own cybersecurity. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, be aware of the risks, keep up with

586
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<v Speaker 1>the latest threats, scams, and vulnerabilities. There's tons of information online,

587
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>government websites, security blogs, all sorts of stuff.

588
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, knowledge is power.

589
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 1>It is, and be careful about what you share online.

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<v Speaker 1>Use strong passwords, turn on two factor authentication, watch out

591
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<v Speaker 1>for phishing emails and shady links, keep your software updated

592
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and back up your important files regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like common sense, but I know it's easy

594
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<v Speaker 2>to forget, especially when you're busy, Oh for sure.

595
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 1>And if you're ever not sure about something, ask for help,

596
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>your it support, cybersecurity experts, even the police, they can help.

597
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 2>And don't be afraid to report anything suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you see something, say something right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have to look out for each other in

600
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<v Speaker 2>this digital world.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like we all have a part to

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<v Speaker 1>play in making a safer, more secure digital world.

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<v Speaker 2>We do, and the good news is that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>as hard as you might think. By taking simple steps,

605
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<v Speaker 2>staying informed, and working together, we can actually make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>This deep dive has been really eye opening. Any less thoughts, just.

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<v Speaker 2>This, The future of cybersecurity is in our hands. By

608
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<v Speaker 2>investing in education, making security part of our culture, and

609
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 2>working together, we can build a digital world where everyone

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<v Speaker 2>can thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, Thanks for joining us on this deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>into cybersecurity, education and research. Until next time, stay safe

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<v Speaker 1>and keep learning.

614
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really does feel like we've only just scratched

615
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<v Speaker 2>the surface of this whole topic.

616
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have, but I think we've got like a

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<v Speaker 1>good starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's pretty clear that cybersecurity it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>a tech issue. It affects everything we do, how we bank,

620
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>how we shop, how we communicate, even how we you know,

621
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<v Speaker 2>manage our homes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like woven into the fabric of society.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that's why it's so important to think about

624
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<v Speaker 2>like the future of cybersecurity. What can we actually do

625
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<v Speaker 2>to make the digital world safer, more secure for ourselves

626
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, for generations to come.

627
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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's the big question, Right, where do we go

628
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<v Speaker 1>from here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing is for sure from all these articles,

630
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<v Speaker 2>there's no magic solution. Yeah, no single technology or strategy

631
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<v Speaker 2>that's going to solve all our cybersecurity problems.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to take a multifaceted approach exactly.

633
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<v Speaker 2>We need governments, companies, schools, and individuals all working together.

634
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody has a part to play.

635
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've got to be thinking long term invest

636
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<v Speaker 2>in research, strengthen our defenses, and maybe most importantly, educate

637
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<v Speaker 2>that next generation of cybersecurity pros.

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00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, speaking of education, we've seen some really creative

639
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>approaches in these sources, games, hands on labs, even cybersecurity

640
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<v Speaker 1>training for judges. What other trends are you seeing pop

641
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<v Speaker 1>up in cybersecurity education?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one that's really promising is this idea of competency

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<v Speaker 2>based education.

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<v Speaker 1>Competency based Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about focusing on what students can actually do,

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<v Speaker 2>not just what they memorize, right, So it's not about

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<v Speaker 2>passing a test, it's about using that knowledge in real

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<v Speaker 2>world situations.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, being able to actually apply it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So building curriculums that match what the industry needs, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting those certifications, and making sure students get practical experience

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<v Speaker 2>through internships, apprenticeships, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically making sure those cybersecurity grads are ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, prepared to work and with the skills they need

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<v Speaker 2>to succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I imagine it's not just technical skills, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. Right, the soft skills, communication, problem solving, teamwork,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff is important too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, those are key. Cybersecurity is rarely a one person.

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<v Speaker 1>Job, right, It's definitely a team effort.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, which brings us to another trend. I'm seeing more

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<v Speaker 2>and more emphasis on collaboration between different feeds.

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<v Speaker 1>So cybersecurity isn't just a computer science thing anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 1>spreading out into other areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, we're seeing cybersecurity becoming part of law, business, healthcare,

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<v Speaker 2>even the humanities. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So as cybersecurity becomes more important in every part of life,

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<v Speaker 1>we need people with lots of different perspectives and skills exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about breaking down those traditional walls and bringing people

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<v Speaker 2>together from all kinds of backgrounds to find solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's like instead of just two heads being better

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<v Speaker 1>than one, it's like a dozen heads with different specialties exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, ultimately it all goes back to that

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<v Speaker 2>cybersecurity mindset we were talking about before. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>about technical know how. It's about being aware of those risks,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking critically and being proactive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So making cybersecurity just a normal part of life,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, buckling your seatbelt yep, or locking your.

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<v Speaker 2>Door exactly, and that's something everyone can do, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how tech savvy they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as we wrap up this deep dive, any parting

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<v Speaker 1>advice for our listener on how to stay safe online?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first thing is just being aware, stay up

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<v Speaker 2>to date on the latest scams, threats and vulnerabilities. There

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<v Speaker 2>are tons of resources out there, yeah, government websites, security blogs,

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowledge is power, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And be careful about what information you share online and

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<v Speaker 2>who you share it with. You know, use strong passwords,

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<v Speaker 2>turn on that two factor authentication, watch out for those

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<v Speaker 2>phishing emails and those links that look suspicious, keep your

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<v Speaker 2>software updated, back up your important data. Right you know

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like common sense, but I know it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to get complacent, especially when we're busy. Absolutely, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you're ever unsure about something, don't be afraid to ask

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<v Speaker 2>for help, right it. Support security professionals, even law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>they're there to help. Yeah, if you see something fishy,

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<v Speaker 2>report it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see something, say something exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to look out for each other online.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so we all have a part to play in

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<v Speaker 1>making the digital world a safer place.

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<v Speaker 2>We do, and the good news is it's not as

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming as it might seem. By taking those small steps,

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<v Speaker 2>staying informed, and working together, we can make a real difference.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a really fascinating deep dive. Any final

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts you want to leave us with?

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<v Speaker 2>Just this, The future of cybersecurity is up to us.

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<v Speaker 2>By investing in education, making security part of our culture,

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<v Speaker 2>and collaborating, we can build a digital world where everyone

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<v Speaker 2>can thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, Thanks for joining us on this deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of cybersecurity, education and research. Until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay safe out there and keep learning.