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Speaker 3: Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Five years ago. On
Speaker 3: April twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Tonight's guest was featured
Speaker 3: on episode three oh one, and that episode was titled
Speaker 3: dog Me and Horror Show. Well, since that episode aired,
Speaker 3: there have been new developments and because of that, he's
Speaker 3: agreed to come back on and update all of us
Speaker 3: about what's been going on. Having said all that, Bryce Gardner,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Vick, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Well, that goes two ways. I'm glad to hear from you,
Speaker 3: or I say I was glad to hear from you
Speaker 3: when you reached out to me recently to update me.
Speaker 3: But I'm so sorry that you've had all these new experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too. You think you get away from
Speaker 2: things and they somehow managecreet back in. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: through any fault of mine, and I don't think it
Speaker 2: was from any fault of theirs either, to be honest,
Speaker 2: But I'm sure we'll get into that soon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we definitely will. Well before we do
Speaker 3: get to things like that. For anyone who missed that episode,
Speaker 3: and I guess for people who did catch that episode,
Speaker 3: it's been five years, please give us a bio on
Speaker 3: yourself again.
Speaker 2: My name is Bryce Gardner. As you've said, well, I'm
Speaker 2: thirty one now. Because it's been five years, I'm thirty
Speaker 2: one now. I am currently in a much better state
Speaker 2: of employment. I can't share anything ause of NDAs and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but trust assured everybody, I'm doing fine
Speaker 2: currently in the Gulf Coast of Texas. Now. We moved
Speaker 2: I believe it was a little bit after our interview,
Speaker 2: which was something that we were planning on doing as
Speaker 2: a family, because you know, Dad's job kind of gave out,
Speaker 2: uh and they basically toldly moved down here, and so
Speaker 2: we came with them, and you know, because of world events,
Speaker 2: we got stuck. And it's kind of just been that
Speaker 2: way ever since. There's I mean, there's not a whole
Speaker 2: lot to say outside of I've gotten back into physical
Speaker 2: training and stuff like that to get my body all
Speaker 2: back up and rights and everything after years of kind
Speaker 2: of neglecting that, so I'm doing good on that front.
Speaker 2: I'm healthy, I'm as happy as I suppose one could be.
Speaker 2: I don't know really what else to say. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite good at talking about myself.
Speaker 3: Oh come on, now, you did a good job of
Speaker 3: summing everything up. And yeah, like I told you the
Speaker 3: first time we spoke, I'm proud of you. Sounds to
Speaker 3: me like you're doing a really good job of getting
Speaker 3: your life just the way you wanted to be. You've
Speaker 3: made some really good improvements. You really have a right
Speaker 3: thank you, Vic.
Speaker 2: It means a lot to me, especially coming from you,
Speaker 2: because a lot of your advice is what kind of
Speaker 2: got me to some of the places I ended up
Speaker 2: being the good, the good places, the good, the good places.
Speaker 2: Of course, none of the shenanigans that was that one
Speaker 2: was all me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for clarifying that it was only the good places.
Speaker 3: You had me starting to worry there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I listened to your advice, I don't think
Speaker 1: I would end up what I was with when it
Speaker 1: all happened. So uh, that was just kind of a
Speaker 1: blind side moment, pretty face, nice smile kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Gets y'all messed up and your innobitions kind of go
Speaker 1: away sort of thing.
Speaker 2: That's a me thing. Not taking control, as I believe
Speaker 2: was the advice you gave me and making sure that
Speaker 2: you're always aware of what's going on. So I should
Speaker 2: have kept my little VIC that lives in the back
Speaker 2: of my mind somewhere and reminds me occasionally of things
Speaker 2: that we talked about last time and this time too,
Speaker 2: life advice that you gave me that has helped quite
Speaker 2: quite a lot.
Speaker 3: You've got a little VIC in the back of your head.
Speaker 3: That's a scary thought.
Speaker 2: But he's lived back there. He just occasionally comes out
Speaker 2: reminds me of the things we talked about, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to do this, this and this
Speaker 2: and then things will get better kind of thing. He
Speaker 2: was there and very active when this was going on,
Speaker 2: because you know, when you run into these things, there's
Speaker 2: nothing more terrifying than seeing one. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: like with any animal that's dangerous and can harm you,
Speaker 2: and there's not a whole lot between you and them.
Speaker 2: That's say, it's a very terrifying experience. If I kind
Speaker 2: of spoke with you beforehand and I had to just
Speaker 2: muscled it through it and you know, swallowed it like
Speaker 2: I did. I don't think I would have handled it
Speaker 2: the way I did. I don't think things would have
Speaker 2: gone as well as they did all things considered, well,
Speaker 2: it goes.
Speaker 3: Without saying I'm so sorry to hear you had to
Speaker 3: have these new experiences, but I guess there is a
Speaker 3: ray of sunshine in that you handled you in a
Speaker 3: very good way, or at least as well as could
Speaker 3: be hoped, So thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: We'll see if I handle it as good once I
Speaker 2: go into Like we didn't discuss it at length before,
Speaker 2: and it's primarily just me not wanting to have it
Speaker 2: relived it. But I did all right, but I still
Speaker 2: think I could have done better. It's one of those
Speaker 2: things that's always in hindsight when you look at these experiences,
Speaker 2: but in the moment of adrenaline, there's not a whole
Speaker 2: lot you can really do to kind of steer that
Speaker 2: particular ship.
Speaker 3: Well. I can appreciate your feelings on that, but you
Speaker 3: could handle any situation better. I just think you deserve
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for handling the situations as well
Speaker 3: as you did. From what you shared with me about
Speaker 3: what's happened. But before we get to that, just a
Speaker 3: moment ago, you mentioned a pretty face and a nice smile.
Speaker 3: Before I have you bring everyone up to speed on
Speaker 3: what you talked about in episode three oh one, please
Speaker 3: go into more detail about that pretty face and nice
Speaker 3: smile that cause some unfortunate things to happen without revealing
Speaker 3: any details of the new encounters that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course. So I'm for everybody. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: everybody understands the saying. But I met a girl at
Speaker 2: the time, she was very beautiful. I mean, she is
Speaker 2: very beautiful. I should say, uh, we don't speak anymore
Speaker 2: because of the events that happened. But she was not
Speaker 2: who I thought she was. She had become enamored, well,
Speaker 2: she was enamored with the paranormal and like cryptids and
Speaker 2: everything else from the start, which I didn't think was
Speaker 2: a big deal. But tons of people are. And I
Speaker 2: always refer people to VIC Channel just because you know,
Speaker 2: if people have experiences and stuff like that, or know
Speaker 2: somebody you know, giving getting them the help is kind
Speaker 2: of what matters. It's kind of like you have a
Speaker 2: I have I have a buddy who claims, for example,
Speaker 2: that he's had a big foot encounter, so referring him
Speaker 2: to you know, like the big foot encounters and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, it's just a place for them to go
Speaker 2: get it off their chest because holding on to it.
Speaker 2: As I've learned, and as victored with me last time
Speaker 2: we heard, it's not healthy and it can cause a
Speaker 2: lot of problems, especially if it's really traumatic. It's really bad.
Speaker 2: They're not easy to talk about. I don't normally stammer
Speaker 2: or catch myself like this because even now it's it's
Speaker 2: a lot to process, even even with the knowledge I
Speaker 2: have now and where I am in life now, it's difficult.
Speaker 2: And she was enamored with it. My mistake was introducing
Speaker 2: her to VIC show, not because Vic's bad or anything
Speaker 2: like that or it shows bad, but because she she
Speaker 2: listened to my episode, listened to other people's episodes, and she,
Speaker 2: for a lack of a term, decided she wanted one.
Speaker 2: She wanted one of her own. It's the I saw
Speaker 2: something cool and I wanted to and she went over
Speaker 2: and beyond to get it. And this is one of
Speaker 2: these situations that you play silly games to win silly prizes,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately I happened to be there when the prize
Speaker 2: was won, and I mean webet about six between six
Speaker 2: to eight months. I haven't dated since, just life hasn't
Speaker 2: allowed for it, And be honest with you, I'm not
Speaker 2: really looking. I don't really think I'm particularly cut out
Speaker 2: for it kind of thing. But that's a side note,
Speaker 2: not really that important. But she's kind of the catalyst
Speaker 2: behind all of this. She is the I don't want
Speaker 2: to lay blame at her feet because I don't think
Speaker 2: she realized the gravity of it at the time. I
Speaker 2: don't think she realized what she was doing, and even
Speaker 2: if she maybe thought she did, I don't think she
Speaker 2: realized how bad it was going to get. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like one of those situations where you antagonize an
Speaker 2: animal enough, even if it is an intelligent animal, it's
Speaker 2: going to lose its patience. And I'm kind of confident
Speaker 2: that's what happened. Granted, I don't know how long everything
Speaker 2: had been going on, right, I don't, And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things I still don't know, and I don't
Speaker 2: think I ever will know, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want to know. But she's the She's the kind
Speaker 2: of girl where she saw a spooky doll that looked
Speaker 2: like it crawled right out of Annabel and dumped and
Speaker 2: jumped into the dumpster. Go get it and haul it
Speaker 2: out despite my protest woah, because I didn't want the
Speaker 2: thing in the car because it was terrifying. So she's
Speaker 2: that kind of She's that kind of girl. She's crazy rowdy.
Speaker 2: It was fun while it lasted. We had a brilliant
Speaker 2: thing that burned out quickly, as most bright and brilliant
Speaker 2: flames do, you know, But that's I best the sum
Speaker 2: up alley in a nutshell.
Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness it did burn out. At the time,
Speaker 3: it might have been frustrating, but everything you told me
Speaker 3: about her, I'm so glad it did. If you've had
Speaker 3: a Dogman encounter that you need help dealing with, or
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Speaker 3: Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you what, Bryce, We have a lot to unpack here,
Speaker 3: so first I want you to please give us a
Speaker 3: fly over of all the experiences you told us about
Speaker 3: in episode three oh one to bring us all up
Speaker 3: to speed, and then after you do that, please just
Speaker 3: dive right end updating us on what happens since.
Speaker 2: So in three oh one we discussed when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, I saw one when we went up to
Speaker 2: the Native American reservation. We ran to some where, well,
Speaker 2: we ran into the signs of one and my teacher's
Speaker 2: dog was freaking out and the bus on the way home.
Speaker 2: We were like in fourth grade. We went up there
Speaker 2: to do a project. We went up there to learn,
Speaker 2: you know, about their culture and everything like that, which
Speaker 2: is really cool experience. I would never trade for anything.
Speaker 2: I still loved the little mask I made too, which
Speaker 2: is goofy looking, but you know, you sunfire seeds for
Speaker 2: teeth kind of thing, because you had to use what
Speaker 2: you had. But it was her project. It was cool,
Speaker 2: cool stuff. I would never trade it. And then at
Speaker 2: that point we spoke about the big encounter, which was
Speaker 2: the one we went down to that dilapidated house that
Speaker 2: was outside of the town we lived in, which is
Speaker 2: air Force. It was, well, it's not there anymore, so
Speaker 2: it's been taken down. As I've as I've heard recently,
Speaker 2: if you're friends that live out in Force Grow, It's
Speaker 2: it's been, it's been taken down. As of now, the
Speaker 2: house does not exist, at least as far as they know.
Speaker 2: I think that they were talking about rebuilding it and
Speaker 2: someone had bought the land. But like two years ago
Speaker 2: I heard that they had finally, you know, gotten rid
Speaker 2: of it completely. There was nothing left of it. But
Speaker 2: we spoke about that, and we spoke about the kind
Speaker 2: of the long term effects and like how it felt
Speaker 2: and everything like that, and a lot of the I
Speaker 2: want to clos side coasters, but a lot of the
Speaker 2: like nightmares that kind of came along with it, and
Speaker 2: the stigma, not the stigma, the mental blocks that came
Speaker 2: with it. There were a lot of things that you know,
Speaker 2: you think you're crazy when you see stuff like this.
Speaker 2: You develop coping mechanisms that may or may not be healthy.
Speaker 2: You know, vices like alcohols, smoking, you name it, things
Speaker 2: that are there to kind of take the edge off,
Speaker 2: like any traumatic memory. But I don't know if these
Speaker 2: are related. I say that to everybody audience. If you're
Speaker 2: if you if you're hoping that she makes your return.
Speaker 2: The female dog Man that I ran into I. I
Speaker 2: don't think it was. It could be. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, I didn't. I couldn't really tell
Speaker 2: with this one. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
Speaker 2: I was. There's a lot more I was focused on
Speaker 2: than it. We didn't have that that moment of intimate
Speaker 2: eye locking that me and the first one did where
Speaker 2: I got a good look at it. This was a
Speaker 2: lot different. So, uh, apologies in advance. It could be,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't think it was her mainly
Speaker 2: be just because the fur was different from what I
Speaker 2: could see. It didn't look the same. So I guess
Speaker 2: where it really started was well, shortly after Aliy and
Speaker 2: I started dating. We'd we've been driving around, talking, been
Speaker 2: showing me around because we'd moved and so I was new.
Speaker 2: I didn't know where anything was, and we had gone
Speaker 2: quite a while without this being brought up. And then
Speaker 2: she started talking about it, which, of course, you know,
Speaker 2: I learned that a lot of the people I met
Speaker 2: here had fascinations with this stuff. A lot of the
Speaker 2: friends I made actually listen, believe it or not, to
Speaker 2: this very show, and I didn't I didn't know up
Speaker 2: until you know again after everything had been gone down,
Speaker 2: because I didn't talk to him as much about this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's not something that comes up in
Speaker 2: conversation often, at least not in I guess our day
Speaker 2: to day Ali and I I had her listen to
Speaker 2: the episode that had been three oh one, and then
Speaker 2: I'm sure she went listen to the others on her
Speaker 2: own time, because you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 2: once you live it, like coming back and listening to it.
Speaker 2: Sure is, it's always good and I'm always here. Despite
Speaker 2: not saying much, I am. I do listen to several
Speaker 2: episodes when I have time, but with work and I
Speaker 2: think it's difficult. So she went and kind of was
Speaker 2: doing research. And I assume it's because I told her
Speaker 2: that sometimes I still I do have nightmares of the experience,
Speaker 2: even though I'm not. I don't want to say I'm
Speaker 2: completely over it, but it was one of those things
Speaker 2: that every now and then, you know, something happens in
Speaker 2: your life and then I guess your mind wanders is
Speaker 2: the best way to put it. It haunts you long
Speaker 2: after they're gone. And whether that's the dog Men has
Speaker 2: some ability to do that. I've heard many people claim
Speaker 2: that they have that ability where they can kind of
Speaker 2: stay with you. It sticks with you, or it's just
Speaker 2: the mind trying to rationalize it, or something happened that
Speaker 2: kind of brings you back, whatever the significance is, I
Speaker 2: warned her. You know, sometimes I'll wake up. I don't
Speaker 2: get weird. I don't like scream or anything. It's just
Speaker 2: cold sweat, you know, you sit up, kind of have
Speaker 2: to go get some water, you know, walk around a
Speaker 2: little bit. It didn't help that she had land, her
Speaker 2: her family had land, her her father had farmland and everything,
Speaker 2: quite a bit of it. So going out there and
Speaker 2: if I were to ever visit or anything like that,
Speaker 2: it is just a lot of land, a lot of space,
Speaker 2: which granted I'm a country kid, but you know, big
Speaker 2: empty land where there's not a whole lot of stuff
Speaker 2: and there's trees and everything else with things to hide
Speaker 2: in kind of become the bane of my existence. I'm
Speaker 2: always looking to see if there's something moving there shadows
Speaker 2: things that aren't right, partly because you know, keeping your
Speaker 2: eyes on your surroundings is kind of an important thing,
Speaker 2: especially when you're out in something else's house where you're
Speaker 2: not in control. But we went out to friends Wood
Speaker 2: for the Renaissance Fair, which is where we started noticing
Speaker 2: that there were odd happenings. Ali had dressed up as
Speaker 2: a shaman, right She had gone and gotten an outfit
Speaker 2: looked like looked like she was an American shaman. It
Speaker 2: was really cool. It was actually really cool to see
Speaker 2: will it really well put together. But she had all
Speaker 2: these these I don't want to call them she had.
Speaker 2: She had talismans and stuff which were apparently legitimate, and
Speaker 2: they're from her. They're actually family things like the little
Speaker 2: I don't want to call them opal but I'm not
Speaker 2: quite sure what they're called, you know, the little sea
Speaker 2: foam jade looking things. She had a bunch of those.
Speaker 2: I can't even think of their name right now. I
Speaker 2: could probably google it and figure it out, but I
Speaker 2: just I don't remember what they're exactly called. But they're
Speaker 2: basically beads and stuff like that. She had furs and everything,
Speaker 2: and she was really big in the taxidermy, so she
Speaker 2: did have some skulls. Now, I don't know if they
Speaker 2: were real or not, but they looked real enough for me.
Speaker 2: They just didn't have any scent or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But basically we walked around. We did our thing, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but feel like we were being watched.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the rest once the fair. There's stuff
Speaker 2: going on everywhere. But you know, Ali was determined to
Speaker 2: avoid the big crowds because she doesn't like people, like
Speaker 2: a lot of people fair enough, I'm not a big
Speaker 2: crowd person either, right, but skirting around the outside of
Speaker 2: it kind of kind of drugged my attention to what
Speaker 2: was going on because we were staying very close to
Speaker 2: the woodline, to the tree line and everything like that.
Speaker 2: And I remember they had this elephant there for elephant riots,
Speaker 2: and it was getting frisky. It was not happy. He
Speaker 2: didn't really do anything, but it was definitely getting It
Speaker 2: was being very loud compared to when we first arrived,
Speaker 2: and that day while we were having lunch and everything,
Speaker 2: we sat away from everybody and we're kind of off
Speaker 2: into the trees. I do this thing now if I'm
Speaker 2: having like a picnic or something, where I'll watch the
Speaker 2: tree line as I'm eating, like because look for any
Speaker 2: subtle shifts or anything. And I've started doing this a
Speaker 2: lot because we have a lot of like wild boarder here.
Speaker 2: There's you know, I watched a alligator or as we
Speaker 2: call them, a swamp puppy. It come out and grab
Speaker 2: some kids power wheel out of park because it was
Speaker 2: near one of the docks, so I've seen there. We
Speaker 2: have wildlife enough to be concerned about. Coyotes here are
Speaker 2: pretty brazen too, so it's always good to kind of
Speaker 2: keep your eyes open because you never know when some
Speaker 2: guy decides to throw a sandwich out in the woods
Speaker 2: and something decides that wants to bite kind of thing,
Speaker 2: you know, And my primary concern is her and keeping
Speaker 2: her like that's my objective at this stage, because if
Speaker 2: something's coming, you know, I'd rather get me than her
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I remember looking out there and
Speaker 2: I remember seeing something move. At the time, I didn't
Speaker 2: know what it was. I thought it was just a
Speaker 2: really big dog, which sounds really funny given the fact
Speaker 2: of you know where I am now and the things
Speaker 2: that seemed before. But you know, there are dogs all
Speaker 2: over the well, not all over the place, but there
Speaker 2: were dogs. Again, we have coyotes, have all sorts of
Speaker 2: things out here, So assuming that it is that off
Speaker 2: the cuff, I felt would be wrong. It did strike
Speaker 2: me as odd because of where it was standing and
Speaker 2: the fact that it was facing toward me, which I
Speaker 2: remember looking at it and seeing the side of it
Speaker 2: so that you could see it peeking around the corner
Speaker 2: of the tree, and it looked like it was just
Speaker 2: kind of looking as if it had its head caught
Speaker 2: towards you a little bit, so it looked like it
Speaker 2: could have just had its head turned to the side
Speaker 2: and was looking at you. Just couldn't see the rest
Speaker 2: of it from where it was standing or how I
Speaker 2: was standing. But it's the fact that it purposely kept
Speaker 2: half of its face hidden. You can only see part
Speaker 2: part of its ear and part of its neck, and
Speaker 2: the way its head was turned, so it was kind
Speaker 2: of hard to see where exactly its body would be.
Speaker 2: And it sat there for a long time, but it
Speaker 2: was far enough out where I couldn't really discern the details.
Speaker 2: It was just dark, had dark fur, and it had
Speaker 2: very very very opulent gold eyes like these were very
Speaker 2: large golden eyes, and well, I say amber eyes, but
Speaker 2: I always say their gold because when the sun was
Speaker 2: hitting it just right, it looked gold, you know. I
Speaker 2: watched it for a long time while she was talking
Speaker 2: with some of the people we went with and everything
Speaker 2: like that, and eventually I actually saw it turn and
Speaker 2: kind of head off in its own direction, like it
Speaker 2: left right, and it didn't didn't make too much noise,
Speaker 2: It didn't do anything malicious. I didn't see it do
Speaker 2: atypical what I would expect after my experiences with the
Speaker 2: the last one that we saw, where it can kind
Speaker 2: of smile. I don't know if I had to explain it,
Speaker 2: but it kind of it looks like it's smiling. But
Speaker 2: I never got the feeling that it had fully left,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I never felt like
Speaker 2: it had vacated the premises. I felt like it was
Speaker 2: more skirting around opportunistically looking for something to do. I
Speaker 2: think it was bored because looking back at it the
Speaker 2: whole day, I was on edge after that, like I
Speaker 2: just couldn't. I wasn't gonna bring up in front of
Speaker 2: our friends and our peers and everything like that I did.
Speaker 2: I certainly didn't want to bring it up in front
Speaker 2: of her because she was having a good time and
Speaker 2: she just tucked me to every single shop all the while.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to like keep an eye out because I'm
Speaker 2: for lack of air term on edge because you know,
Speaker 2: if it was if it was as big as I
Speaker 2: thought it might be. Even if it were just a coyo.
Speaker 2: It's big, is big enough to where I even by itself,
Speaker 2: it'd be a problem if it was, you know what.
Speaker 2: My gut was starting to tell me what it might
Speaker 2: have been, which I didn't think was possible. Didn't even
Speaker 2: think they would come this far south. I thought that,
Speaker 2: you know, down in the Gulf Coast, that these things
Speaker 2: didn't exist. I figured it was mostly the northwest and
Speaker 2: more northern areas. But you know, again, after Vic and
Speaker 2: I talked last night, looking back at it, we have
Speaker 2: enough of a population of food sources for something like
Speaker 2: that to survive comfortably, you know, from alligators to bores
Speaker 2: to everything else. So maybe it was just foolish optimism
Speaker 2: to believe that it couldn't be. And I spent a
Speaker 2: long time saying that to myself, that it couldn't be.
Speaker 2: There's no way, What are the odds, It's impossible. You
Speaker 2: know this stuff you tell yourself to try and make
Speaker 2: sense of the situation. You know, it's it's heck, you
Speaker 2: have one encounter. What are the It's like lightning striking,
Speaker 2: isn't It can't strike in the same place twice, right, Like,
Speaker 2: how are odds of that? And was I wrong? Was
Speaker 2: I wrong? We came home, you know, I went home,
Speaker 2: She went home For a while. We were working at
Speaker 2: the same place until I eventually left. So that way
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have to worry about it, which is why
Speaker 2: we weren't worried about dating and everything, because I was
Speaker 2: moving on to a different job, a better job. That
Speaker 2: was when I was rocking my my suit and ponytail
Speaker 2: Combovic he would have been proud of me. Was sell
Speaker 2: the fragrance for a while, making the big bucks on
Speaker 2: the commissions. It was a good job. It was a
Speaker 2: fun job. I do kind of miss it. But she
Speaker 2: called me one day when I was on shift, right,
Speaker 2: I was on lunch, and she told me that something
Speaker 2: had damaged their fences on their farm. Like, okay, what
Speaker 2: do you mean something damage your fences around your farm?
Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about? What are we trying
Speaker 2: to damage? Is something dig under it? There's something true
Speaker 2: on it? Like what are we talking about? Cause you know,
Speaker 2: coyotes if they want to get in maybe all sorts
Speaker 2: of stuff to get into fences if they can't get
Speaker 2: over it. So if they can't get over it they'll
Speaker 2: go under. It doesn't look like something to that. She's like, no,
Speaker 2: something actually just kind of busted through the fence a
Speaker 2: little bit like it looks like something pushed through the fence.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, because this is like two
Speaker 2: weeks later now to put in respective friends what is
Speaker 2: about two hours from us technically because we have to
Speaker 2: cut through Houston. We live in League City now. She
Speaker 2: lives in friends Wood, but she lives up in the
Speaker 2: part of friends With where her dad has land. Now,
Speaker 2: whether they still have that land, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: haven't spoken to her, and I have no idea the
Speaker 2: state of her family or anything like that. So the guys,
Speaker 2: I can't answer that. I don't know. But at the
Speaker 2: time she hit, they had a decent amount of land
Speaker 2: and a nice house, a very nice house, and her
Speaker 2: calling me when her dad is there because her dad's
Speaker 2: one of the biggest guys I've ever met. Like he's
Speaker 2: just big, you know, his forum is this is like
Speaker 2: worth twice of mine. And I'm not a small dude,
Speaker 2: but he's just got barrels for forms. He's a big guy,
Speaker 2: his strong dude. I respect him a lot. He he
Speaker 2: didn't want to necessarily deal with it alone, and he
Speaker 2: didn't want her out there with him, right, So I
Speaker 2: go over there and we to check it out, and
Speaker 2: it does look like something had pushed through the fence,
Speaker 2: like if you put your weight on like a fence,
Speaker 2: like a small wooden fence, and you're trying to break
Speaker 2: it down, and you put your weight down on it
Speaker 2: to kind of bend it forward. Is what it looked like.
Speaker 2: But it almost looks like someone didn't fully do it,
Speaker 2: and it was bent inward, which was a little concerning.
Speaker 2: And we found dog tracks, big ones, and my heart
Speaker 2: sank because he was telling me it's a coyote, you know,
Speaker 2: and I know he could see that I was visibly.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I was. I was kind of
Speaker 2: a coward a little bit. I didn't want to be
Speaker 2: there anymore. I wanted to get the heck out of there.
Speaker 2: I wanted to leave. I did not want to be
Speaker 2: there anymore. I did not feel comfortable there. I did
Speaker 2: not want to have any part of it. I was like, Nope,
Speaker 2: that's too big to be a county. There's no way
Speaker 2: that's a coyote. Now, granted it could have been, I
Speaker 2: guess you know, they do get big. But my head
Speaker 2: space then wasn't on the rational explanation. Mike said, space
Speaker 2: was like, okay, so we had something watching us at
Speaker 2: the Renaissance Fair like two weeks ago, and now I
Speaker 2: got this. There's no way these are a coincidence because
Speaker 2: I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 2: and tell myself and lie to myself because I did
Speaker 2: that once before and look where that ended up. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna remove myself because I know we talked
Speaker 2: about a little bit in three oh one, as I
Speaker 2: think we did. I could be wrong, but I think
Speaker 2: we did where I told you. I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: magnet to some of stuff, cause weird stuff doesn't just
Speaker 2: happen around me a lot. You know, I did a
Speaker 2: lot of time living up in the Northwest. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: getting a little bit, uh, I'm getting a little bit spooked,
Speaker 2: and I'll get into that minute and why. But I've
Speaker 2: always kind of had this thing where weird stuff just
Speaker 2: tends to kind of happen or around me, not to
Speaker 2: me specifically, but around me. You know, weird things, if
Speaker 2: it could happen, it will, And so living here up
Speaker 2: until that point, I had had to deal with any
Speaker 2: of that. Right there, there was none of that. There
Speaker 2: was no like, I can't tell you how peaceful and
Speaker 2: how happy I was, how peaceful. It was. None of that.
Speaker 2: It was just normal, day to day living, normal stuff.
Speaker 2: No weird things, no dogmen, no paranormal or anything. Nothing
Speaker 2: that's unexplainable that you have to just go, well, that
Speaker 2: happened nothing. It was just me working, giving money, spending
Speaker 2: time with her, and you know, going out occasionally getting
Speaker 2: drinks with my friends. Right very simple, very easy, and
Speaker 2: I felt invaded a little bit, like I had kind
Speaker 2: of left, not only for my parents, but because I
Speaker 2: wanted a fresh start feet away from it all, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, well, you know, I left
Speaker 2: a life behind to start a new one, and now
Speaker 2: you're here right now. Now you're coming into my space
Speaker 2: where I made for myself away from all that, to
Speaker 2: get away from a home of it. And because I
Speaker 2: have cousins who are Native American, they're really distant, but
Speaker 2: like they live up there and I don't get to
Speaker 2: see them anymore, talk to them very much anymore, which
Speaker 2: I've kind of just started doing now, you know. Over
Speaker 2: the last couple of months. Recently, I've started just reaching
Speaker 2: out to them to get a hold of them because
Speaker 2: at this point, like looking back at it, it was
Speaker 2: foolish of me to distance myself. It's just that my
Speaker 2: cousins were, you know, into all that stuff. And again,
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you, if you invite it into
Speaker 2: your life, like if you're interested in it and you
Speaker 2: and this is a me thing, this is a and
Speaker 2: that I'm probably wrong in thinking like this, but I
Speaker 2: always think like, if you give something power, if it's
Speaker 2: like if you say its name, if you acknowledge it,
Speaker 2: if you open yourself to it, you know, you invite
Speaker 2: that thing in, You give it an in, you give
Speaker 2: it a way to come into your life and invade
Speaker 2: it regardless of whether you want it to or not.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want that, you know, so I wanted
Speaker 2: to remove all the possibility possibilities of somebody else being
Speaker 2: you know, or attracting it so it wouldn't affect me
Speaker 2: and I would and I was hoping that that would
Speaker 2: take care of it all and I wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: worry about it. Probably was wrong, and looking back, it
Speaker 2: was selfish a little bit, you know. They didn't deserve that,
Speaker 2: but it was just me trying to get a clean slate.
Speaker 2: So I was a coward a little bit in that regard.
Speaker 2: And for them, if they listen to this, if they
Speaker 2: do listen to this, to all the people that I
Speaker 2: had kind of walked away from to trying to preserve
Speaker 2: some sense of peace, I'm sorry. It wasn't ever about you.
Speaker 2: It was nothing you did. I just didn't want it.
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to come back because I was
Speaker 2: afraid that if it came back, it wouldn't leave. And
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that it probably hasn't. There are things that
Speaker 2: you know looking back that yeah, I'm pretty sure there's
Speaker 2: one near here. But I've segued enough. I'm sorry. I've
Speaker 2: kind of gone way off guilty with this a little bit.
Speaker 2: We we went a while without hearing anything, right, so
Speaker 2: nothing came of it. The fence was fixed, it didn't
Speaker 2: look like anything. They did have a chicken or two
Speaker 2: go missing, but but nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. We we
Speaker 2: went a couple more months, and so there's this road
Speaker 2: that goes from League City or I guess through League
Speaker 2: City kind of that's not quite a freeway or a highway,
Speaker 2: but it's it's a it's a large long stretch of
Speaker 2: road that goes through like a couple of miles, well
Speaker 2: not queuple of miles, but quite a quite a few
Speaker 2: many miles of nothing ally told me was dead men's past.
Speaker 2: Now to give you guys a history lesson as to
Speaker 2: what that is. It is an area where there's a
Speaker 2: lot of like unsolved crime that goes on there. There's
Speaker 2: there are people you know there have been and then
Speaker 2: this isn't to get graphic or anything, but they have
Speaker 2: they have found bodies out there back way back when,
Speaker 2: like way way back when Kyries live out there, while
Speaker 2: boor live out there. It is a wooded area of
Speaker 2: trees that kind of tangle around almost like thorn bushes
Speaker 2: kind of, and it's just wilderness. It's just tons and
Speaker 2: tons of wilderness. And I'm pretty sure part of the
Speaker 2: reason why it's never been buldozed over at taking care
Speaker 2: of is a lot of it's kind of like bogland.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of marshy parts of it, and there's
Speaker 2: just not a lot you could probably do with it
Speaker 2: right safely, so it's just kind of left to its
Speaker 2: own devices. And it's huge. It's huge. Well, Ali and
Speaker 2: I used to go out there, and that was our
Speaker 2: liked'll get away camping area. I know that sounds really dumb,
Speaker 2: like it does like it sounds really dumb, but like
Speaker 2: you know, she had gone out there tons of times
Speaker 2: from what she told me, and I trusted her. You know,
Speaker 2: we got months with anything happening. I'm like, okay, maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just being paranoid again. She had a pretty face,
Speaker 2: pretty brown eyes, and a smile that could watch my
Speaker 2: any war you have kind of thing. And so when
Speaker 2: she tells me, you know, trust me, we're fine, I
Speaker 2: chose to trust her. She'd been out there, her parents
Speaker 2: had gone out there, she'd gone through friends camping, she'd
Speaker 2: been out there, she'd been trapsing through those little wood
Speaker 2: wooded areas for years and years and years, and so
Speaker 2: I trusted that we'd be fine. So we drove a
Speaker 2: car down into this like a littlebankment area and came
Speaker 2: down well on embankment, but basically into this little path
Speaker 2: right where you know, a few cars. It was clear
Speaker 2: people had come down here occasionally. It was not a
Speaker 2: man made path necessarily, but it was one made overwear
Speaker 2: and tear kind of thing. You ever make camping, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about kind of thing where it's
Speaker 2: just kind of matted down, the grounds clear because you know,
Speaker 2: tires and god knows what else has come through here
Speaker 2: and made it kind of a pit path. And there
Speaker 2: was this little area which is kind of clear where
Speaker 2: the branches didn't come down as low and everything like that.
Speaker 2: You can kind of see the sky up above. It
Speaker 2: was really pretty. It was a beautiful place. They even
Speaker 2: had some wild flowers out there that grew. They were
Speaker 2: they were beautiful, and we were going to stay the
Speaker 2: night there. I can almost feel myself screaming at me,
Speaker 2: why would you do that? I know it's it's dumb,
Speaker 2: but we were young. You know, we were in love,
Speaker 2: or at least I thought we were in love, and
Speaker 2: you know, there were, for lack of better terms and
Speaker 2: intentions for the evening, and we were getting comfortable for
Speaker 2: the evening and just kind of relaxing, and we had
Speaker 2: gotten a kind of a fire going outside. You know,
Speaker 2: I cut some firewood, made a little area with some
Speaker 2: rocks and everything where we could put it out easily
Speaker 2: so we'd have some natural light rather than the lights
Speaker 2: from the car. And we were just kind of preparing
Speaker 2: to kind of turn in. I was. I had made
Speaker 2: a CD for her, my own mixed CD of various songs,
Speaker 2: which was just kind of like the cuddle playlist for
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, where you just kind of
Speaker 2: like lay there and watch the star sort of thing,
Speaker 2: and that was the goal. She wasn't in acoverable or
Speaker 2: anything like that. So we're gonna have to y out
Speaker 2: to do that part. But we were in the car
Speaker 2: because of other reasons, which I'm not about to get into.
Speaker 2: But she stops me, you know, after we you know,
Speaker 2: we'd started getting all cozy, and told me that she
Speaker 2: didn't feel right that, you know, and she sat up
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, what do you mean to you? You
Speaker 2: don't feel right? She's like, don't you're always the one
Speaker 2: that's so paranoid. What do you mean? What do you
Speaker 2: What do I mean? Do you not feel off? Like
Speaker 2: we're being watched? And so I sat up and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well, you know, we we had earlier
Speaker 2: seen you know, some old tents stuff like that. We
Speaker 2: assumed that it might be homes some homeless folks that
Speaker 2: had come out here occasionally because they kind of roam around.
Speaker 2: If you've been in Texas, there's there's quite a not
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of them, but there's there's quite
Speaker 2: a few. So it didn't like it didn't even dawn
Speaker 2: on me that like she meant something else. So of
Speaker 2: course I just kind of like locked the doors to
Speaker 2: the car because I'm I'm way too distracted to think
Speaker 2: straight at this stage. This is when when little Vick
Speaker 2: should have started screaming, but he didn't quite get there yet.
Speaker 2: He wasn't awake. I guess I hadn't given him his coffee.
Speaker 2: But then it got really wrong, really quick. There were
Speaker 2: birds out before they were quiet, and the air felt thick,
Speaker 2: like you know when you feel like you're in trouble,
Speaker 2: or if you ever come home and you know, you
Speaker 2: know mom and dad are gonna be mad at you,
Speaker 2: and you're just kind of walking that walk, that long,
Speaker 2: tension filled walk where you don't want to go in
Speaker 2: the house. It felt like that, but it felt like
Speaker 2: that everywhere, like there was no getting away from it.
Speaker 2: And I'd never seen Alie scared. Ali was that country
Speaker 2: girl who just didn't get afraid. She wasn't afraid of anything.
Speaker 2: I've seen her square up with people that were twice
Speaker 2: my size, right, big scary guys that you know, even
Speaker 2: I might give a second glance. And she just didn't care.
Speaker 2: She just did not care. And because of that, I
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was just watching her her face
Speaker 2: kind of get to where she's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but I don't like you here. We
Speaker 2: should we should go. And I'm like, okay, well, let's
Speaker 2: put out the fire and everything. And as I go
Speaker 2: to reach for the door, the car alerches a little
Speaker 2: bit a lot, but a little bit enough to wear
Speaker 2: for like something put weight on it. And I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there kind of going, okay, well that wasn't you, and
Speaker 2: that wasn't me. And so I look outside and I'm
Speaker 2: expecting to see some some goober sticking his face against
Speaker 2: the window making weird eyeballs at us or something. I'm
Speaker 2: expecting anything at this stage other than what I saw,
Speaker 2: which was a close up of that eye that I
Speaker 2: had seen at the Renaissance Fair, and it was just
Speaker 2: staring at us. And and I can't tell you, I
Speaker 2: cannot express you how cold I got because it didn't
Speaker 2: look at us like oh what's this. It was almost
Speaker 2: like it looked at us as if it were amused
Speaker 2: that we thought we had gotten away, because it had
Speaker 2: that kind of curve to it, like when you smile
Speaker 2: when you're you're kind of happy, whether you're happy to
Speaker 2: see somebody or something else. And it was almost like, ah,
Speaker 2: there you are. And I could almost feel my heart
Speaker 2: in my throat because you know, before, when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, when this happened, it was me and my
Speaker 2: silly friends who were doing stupid things that you should
Speaker 2: have been doing, and going places at our parents tould
Speaker 2: is not to go. If something had happened, we would
Speaker 2: have deserved it. We went looking, and at the time,
Speaker 2: I was like, we weren't even We're not even where
Speaker 2: you should be. You shouldn't even be here. And all
Speaker 2: I can think about, you know, is is Ali. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of glancing over my shoulder and I'm facing it.
Speaker 2: I turned around to face it. I'm glancing over my
Speaker 2: shoulder and she is as pale as a ghost, and
Speaker 2: she's just sitting there with her mouth open, staring at
Speaker 2: this thing. And you know, I'm thankful that she's not
Speaker 2: screaming yet, that she's not freaking out. And then its
Speaker 2: head raises and it purposely did this, you know, looking back,
Speaker 2: And I only know because of the nightmare I had
Speaker 2: last night after talking about it with you, where I
Speaker 2: kind of got moments where I got to, you know,
Speaker 2: see or kind of relive parts of it. But I
Speaker 2: never realized that it didn't intentionally. And I can't say
Speaker 2: it didn't because there's no reason why it wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: It raised its snoun and I mean, this thing's dark,
Speaker 2: so it's either dark brown or it's black one or
Speaker 2: the other. It's it's dark. It's very dark furred, so
Speaker 2: it could have raised its head and not done anything else.
Speaker 2: But the moon was coming out just a little bit.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a full moon. It was like I think,
Speaker 2: a waning cresset, I think, but we had moonlight, and
Speaker 2: it raised steps so we could see its teeth, and
Speaker 2: it opened its mouth and curled its lips back, not
Speaker 2: like it was smiling, but just as if it was
Speaker 2: showing off what it had, you know. Which that's what
Speaker 2: finally got Ali to freak out, was the gravity of it.
Speaker 2: And she went and made a sound. And I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how fast I shimmied behind her and grabs
Speaker 2: her and put my hand over her mouth because I
Speaker 2: didn't want to give it any reason to think that
Speaker 2: punching its way through that window or ripping that car
Speaker 2: door off was a good idea. I didn't want it
Speaker 2: to think that. I wanted it to either be bored
Speaker 2: and leave, or for it to give me a way
Speaker 2: to use the axe I cut the wood with that
Speaker 2: was in the floorboards. At least one good swing. That's
Speaker 2: all I could think of. If I could just get
Speaker 2: one swing, even if it were to pull me out
Speaker 2: of this car, at least, at least then I could
Speaker 2: maybe she could get out of here, Because all I
Speaker 2: could think about again was you know, I got to
Speaker 2: get her out of here. I got to get her
Speaker 2: out of here. This is my fault. I brought this thing.
Speaker 2: This is my fault. It would been years, years and
Speaker 2: years and years and years since anything had happened, even
Speaker 2: before I spoke with you, and I just couldn't help
Speaker 2: but blame myself. It was my fault. I did this.
Speaker 2: This was me, all me. Now. She was in danger
Speaker 2: because of me, and that I remember we talked about
Speaker 2: it and the last time I was here, But that
Speaker 2: anger that I felt the first time it was so
Speaker 2: much more palpable now because I went from being scared
Speaker 2: to being just furious. You know, I had given up everything,
Speaker 2: I'd walked away, I had left, I'd started a new
Speaker 2: life for myself. I was happy, and this thing from
Speaker 2: my nightmare is, this thing from my memories decided it
Speaker 2: was going to come crawling back to life and just
Speaker 2: refuse to let itself die. It just wouldn't stay away
Speaker 2: from me, and I was, you know, to the point
Speaker 2: where it was like, if you want me, just come
Speaker 2: get me then, Like, if that's how we want to
Speaker 2: play this game, just do it already. What are you
Speaker 2: waiting for? What's the purpose? Why are you just standing
Speaker 2: there outside the car? Do something? Which is really dumb
Speaker 2: of me to say, like again, I'm not thinking. I know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking. I wasn't wasn't using any of the
Speaker 2: brains that I have. I was just angry. And you know,
Speaker 2: whether I was justified or not, it was still really
Speaker 2: dumb on my part because if she hadn't been there,
Speaker 2: I may have done something really stupid like go to
Speaker 2: you know, get out and just say, well, let's just
Speaker 2: do it then. If that's what you want, you destroyed
Speaker 2: everything once, let's just get it over with and you
Speaker 2: can destroy the rest of it, because I was just
Speaker 2: that mad. And I remember this was the only time
Speaker 2: because Ali and I had this really weird thing where
Speaker 2: I didn't really have to worry about her, so I
Speaker 2: typically didn't get in that position of you know, you're
Speaker 2: going to listen to me, and you know she's trying
Speaker 2: to protest my hands on her mouth, like you're going
Speaker 2: to listen to me, and you're not going to make
Speaker 2: a sound. We're not going to make. This is as
Speaker 2: much sound as we're going to make. I'm whispering to
Speaker 2: her now. So we're going to let this thing circle
Speaker 2: around the car, and we're just going to keep her
Speaker 2: eyes on it as best we can. You have your
Speaker 2: dad's you have your dad's gun in the glove box.
Speaker 2: You're smaller than me. You're going to get up the
Speaker 2: front seat, and you're going to get it just in case, right,
Speaker 2: just in just in case. You're not going to do
Speaker 2: anything with it. We're not going to do anything. But
Speaker 2: it's smart enough where it will know what we're doing.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to grab that axe and if something happens,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, no matter what it does, get
Speaker 2: the keys, get in the driver's seat and get ready,
Speaker 2: no matter what it does. Is exactly what I told her,
Speaker 2: no matter what it does, because she's starting to panic,
Speaker 2: and I can see the changes and the cogs in
Speaker 2: her mind trying to process what she's saying, which is
Speaker 2: the same thing I know that I probably did as
Speaker 2: a child. Where the cogs are trying, you're trying to
Speaker 2: make sense of what you're seeing. You're trying to rationalize it, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's actually real. It's not something that
Speaker 2: people talk about online. For clout, it's not that. This
Speaker 2: is a living, breathing thing. And as we're doing this,
Speaker 2: as we're having this, we're I'm pulling her with me
Speaker 2: as I'm rotating with this thing as it passes by
Speaker 2: the back window. This thing is huge. It's bigger. It
Speaker 2: has to be bigger than the one that I before.
Speaker 2: It's arms were longer, and you can see them, just
Speaker 2: barely through the dim light of the fire and the moon.
Speaker 2: You can see it's muscles flexing. This thing could could
Speaker 2: punch me in half, like it would juice me. There'd
Speaker 2: be nothing left it just it goes straight through me
Speaker 2: like butter, like a hot knife, your butter. I already
Speaker 2: know there's nothing I can do to stop it, but
Speaker 2: my head's my head. My head canon at the time
Speaker 2: was I could slow it down. At the very least,
Speaker 2: I could do something to slow it down, and maybe
Speaker 2: I can make it think twice, making if it you know,
Speaker 2: if I can make it bleed, that's all I care
Speaker 2: about at this stage, if it comes in this car,
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to let you have her kind
Speaker 2: of thing. I just won't let you do it. And
Speaker 2: so I had that grounding me and keeping me focused
Speaker 2: despite how angry I was, how out of control it was.
Speaker 2: My head started hurting again like it did back when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, you know. I started getting those
Speaker 2: weird moments of just flashes of red like I'm it's
Speaker 2: it's all happening again. I'm trying to keep myself grounded
Speaker 2: for her because I don't want and I don't want
Speaker 2: her to see me pop off like that. I'm not
Speaker 2: that guy. I don't want to be that guy. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be that right. So there's the fear
Speaker 2: of if, if this thing does, if this goes south
Speaker 2: and everything, the last thing she'll probably see of me
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna go jumping on jumping on the scene.
Speaker 2: If he tries to come through the car, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: jump on it and try to get away from her.
Speaker 2: Uh and it's probably gonna pull me out and and
Speaker 2: that's gonna be it. The last thing she's gonna see
Speaker 2: me is me going absolutely ballistic on this thing for
Speaker 2: the three seconds I'm gonna have. And you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's a part of my mind that thinks it's pretty
Speaker 2: funny the idea that this thing is sticking head in
Speaker 2: the car after breaking through the window and it just
Speaker 2: get bit it get bit back. You know that i'd
Speaker 2: bite him back, Like how does that feel like when
Speaker 2: you bite your dog when it's when it's being bad
Speaker 2: and you bite him back and the dog just kind
Speaker 2: of looks at you. There's a part of me that
Speaker 2: wants to have that humor in there, to think that
Speaker 2: we'd have a moment there before it decided to eat
Speaker 2: me or finish me off, that it would be like,
Speaker 2: did you just really have the audacity to bite me back?
Speaker 2: But that's just me trying to make I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm laughing. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: I it's just it's just the only way I have
Speaker 2: the kind of cope with it a little bit because
Speaker 2: I don't know. But this thing circled on the car,
Speaker 2: and it just kept circling around it, and it would
Speaker 2: slow down whenever there was a larger windows, as if saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could get you here, or I could get you here.
Speaker 2: And it come back to the side, and every now
Speaker 2: and then it would dut its head down to look
Speaker 2: at us again, and you know, it would give her
Speaker 2: a glance, but it would focus in on me. It
Speaker 2: would look at me, and that's what I wanted it
Speaker 2: to do, so I was thankful that it was. It was,
Speaker 2: you know, in my head, I'm telling you, yeah, look
Speaker 2: at me, look at me, don't look at her, look
Speaker 2: at me. And then it leaned up against the car
Speaker 2: and it pushed it a little bit to the side.
Speaker 2: Now when I say pushed a little the side, we
Speaker 2: felt the car move a little bit. It didn't try
Speaker 2: to do anything, but I think it was. I think
Speaker 2: it was trying to show us what it could do,
Speaker 2: right like, oh, look, with you in this thing, I
Speaker 2: can move it, So what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: This whole thing was just it squaring up, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: And then it just kind of left whether it got bored.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm at this point, I have the axe
Speaker 2: in my hands, and I'm making sure it can see it.
Speaker 2: You know. I wanted to know that I have something
Speaker 2: I want it to know just like it. I know
Speaker 2: it has teeth and claws, and it's stronger than me,
Speaker 2: and bigger than me, and faster than me, and heck,
Speaker 2: it might even be smarter than me. At this point,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, there were a few times
Speaker 2: where it gave the handles a test, you know, and
Speaker 2: so I knew it knew what handles were, It was
Speaker 2: aware of how to open a cardor so, you know,
Speaker 2: I knew it fully knew how to get to us
Speaker 2: if it wanted to. But I wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: that it was very much aware that I had every
Speaker 2: intention on swinging this thing with every bit of the
Speaker 2: strength my body had. It'd be the last thing i'd do,
Speaker 2: but at least i'd go down. I'd give it, and
Speaker 2: hopefully i'd give it something to think about, you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully there'd be there'd be a little bit of me
Speaker 2: that it would remember for the rest of its life,
Speaker 2: and I'd pay it back. Right That's the only something
Speaker 2: anything again, just anything to get her out of here,
Speaker 2: because that's all I really cared about at the time,
Speaker 2: which if you've ever been been you know someone in
Speaker 2: there where your loved ones in danger, kid, spouse, you
Speaker 2: name it. A lot of times that's the only thing
Speaker 2: you could think of like that, that's it. You can
Speaker 2: only think of their well being, their safety, of course
Speaker 2: if you love them right, Like everybody's got their own experiences,
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to say that how people have
Speaker 2: feeling all that, but you know what I mean, like that,
Speaker 2: that's really the only thing you have in those moments,
Speaker 2: and it can either be a really grounding situation for
Speaker 2: you or it can be the thing that breaks the
Speaker 2: camel's back, the last straw sort of thing. But it
Speaker 2: eventually left, It turned and left. I guess it got bordered,
Speaker 2: maybe it got what it wanted. But it looked back
Speaker 2: at us over its shoulder. And this is as an
Speaker 2: ali starting up the car getting ready to leave. We
Speaker 2: just like everything going. We left. We left everything we
Speaker 2: had put out there, you know, and the half built
Speaker 2: tent all that, We left it all out there, and
Speaker 2: it just what it looked back at over its shoulder
Speaker 2: and just watched us, and you know, it then just
Speaker 2: kind of ducked into the tree line where we couldn't
Speaker 2: follow with the car, so probably assuming that Ali was
Speaker 2: going to do something crazy elect try to hit it,
Speaker 2: which is definitely within her m. I think that, between
Speaker 2: me and you, Vic, I think that was the smartest
Speaker 2: thing it could have done, because I'm pretty sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: she probably would have and it would have ended up
Speaker 2: poorly for us, But because she was scared out of
Speaker 2: her mind and we drove, we got out of there,
Speaker 2: and we drove, and I don't know if it kept
Speaker 2: pace with us. I don't know if it followed us.
Speaker 2: I don't think it needed to. I think the point
Speaker 2: was made. Thinking about it, I don't even think it.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it was alone. To be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I don't even know if it was
Speaker 2: by itself. It seemed way too cocky, and it seemed
Speaker 2: I think it was a male. Looking back at its behavior,
Speaker 2: I think it very much felt like we encroached on
Speaker 2: its territory. And I'm gonna get into why. I feel
Speaker 2: like it felt threatened and it was angry, but it
Speaker 2: was also coming because it knew it didn't need to
Speaker 2: actually do anything. It just needed to give a little
Speaker 2: bit and it would get a lot out of it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It knew full well what
Speaker 2: it was capable of, and we knew too. And Ali
Speaker 2: didn't say anything to me up until we got home.
Speaker 2: And you know, she lived away from me, and she
Speaker 2: dropped me off first for once, which was fine. I
Speaker 2: didn't my own not walking back, mainly because I'd have
Speaker 2: to pass by a certain stretch with her. So she
Speaker 2: just didn't feel comfortable leaving me there. And I, you know,
Speaker 2: I looked at her, I was like, are you okay,
Speaker 2: Like I know, it's a silly question, and she just
Speaker 2: told me, you know, we'll talk about it later, but
Speaker 2: I just need to go home. And so she went home,
Speaker 2: and here for her for two days. Finally a friend
Speaker 2: of mine, Chris, took me over there to go go
Speaker 2: see her and everything, and he kind of dropped me
Speaker 2: off there her done hanging out and kind of getting
Speaker 2: stead of taking care of us. I was helping him
Speaker 2: paint one of the rooms in his house, So I
Speaker 2: was like, here, can you drop me off over he
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna knock the door and see if folks
Speaker 2: are home, see if she's home, see if I can
Speaker 2: see what's going on, a little bit worried about her.
Speaker 2: And when she answered the door, she just looked at
Speaker 2: me and she she hadn't looked like she was sleeping. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, su already had insomnia, but this was, you know, different.
Speaker 2: She looked changed. And she invited me in and we
Speaker 2: sat down and started talking, and you know, she told
Speaker 2: me that, you know, I didn't believe you, and I
Speaker 2: didn't believe any of it at first. I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a rational thing to say. I told her straight up,
Speaker 2: that's that's probably the most real thing you could ever
Speaker 2: say about any of this. Like, unless you see it's
Speaker 2: it's good to listen to. You know, it's fun. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's people out there who, you know, we've
Speaker 2: talked about people that enjoy listening, but you know, they
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe in it. It's just a cool ghost story.
Speaker 2: It's that until you see it, you know, until it's
Speaker 2: standing there in front of you and you can see
Speaker 2: it's heartbeat and the blood pumping through its veins and
Speaker 2: the muscle move and every bit of it designed to
Speaker 2: take life, that if it wanted to it, it would
Speaker 2: make it easy that, you know, God forbid. You know
Speaker 2: the stories you hear where people have shot these things
Speaker 2: or have managed to hurt these things, and they just
Speaker 2: walk it off. They don't even care. It doesn't even
Speaker 2: phase them. You know. It's it's a different it's an
Speaker 2: entirely different league. You know, you and I get hurt, shot, stab,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and we go into shock or you know,
Speaker 2: we have our fleeting moments before you know, eventually we
Speaker 2: succumb to our wounds. These things take four or five
Speaker 2: shots me, the whole magazine, and they just walk it off,
Speaker 2: never be seen again. Whether they die or not, we
Speaker 2: don't know. But they don't clearly care, and they're not afraid,
Speaker 2: and they know for a fact they've got us beat.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a scary prospect, the fact that
Speaker 2: they can open doors and all that is so watching
Speaker 2: her process it, because I already had you to kind
Speaker 2: of help me with that, right like you and I
Speaker 2: had already talked. I we'd already gone through and discussed
Speaker 2: all this with each other and how to handle it,
Speaker 2: how to approach it, how to digest that content. I
Speaker 2: want content, but that the contents of your brain like
Speaker 2: the thoughts and the rationale behind it and how to
Speaker 2: make it make sense. She didn't have any that. She
Speaker 2: just had me and I was trying to explain to
Speaker 2: her that, you know, she's not crazy for what she saw,
Speaker 2: you know that it's it's fine, and then she just
Speaker 2: looked at me with that that look, that look of
Speaker 2: you know, there's more to it than that, which she
Speaker 2: had done that quite a bit whenever she had had
Speaker 2: something she didn't tell me that she wanted to. We'd
Speaker 2: had that with like friend drama and other stuff where
Speaker 2: she she'd give me the look first and wait for
Speaker 2: me to be ready to hear about it. And so
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so you're giving me the look.
Speaker 2: What are you not telling me? What is it that
Speaker 2: I don't know? Ali was into very many things of
Speaker 2: the occult, and she wanted to practice the occult, and
Speaker 2: she did practice vi occult. Now you and I have
Speaker 2: talked about it a little bit more in detail, and
Speaker 2: I'm for the sake of I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: into everything, but you know, she was somebody who was
Speaker 2: interested in for example, for those of you, cannibalism is
Speaker 2: one of them kind of thing, and you know, she
Speaker 2: had a ritual altar she had she was She told
Speaker 2: me that she was a witch, and she showed me
Speaker 2: all this. I can't express to you the pit in
Speaker 2: my stomach that I felt when she told me that.
Speaker 2: You know, when we were out there that night, she
Speaker 2: had found some things laying around that looked like little
Speaker 2: little dolls and totems. And you know, we had found
Speaker 2: one kind of laying around at the Renaissance fair. But
Speaker 2: you know, we thought it was something like one of
Speaker 2: the props, because it looked like one of them too,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like it looked like one
Speaker 2: of them. But she told me that these ones were
Speaker 2: much more crude, and she took one, and when she
Speaker 2: held it up, I you know, I could only back
Speaker 2: away from it because it looked just like the one
Speaker 2: I'd seen in my child in my childhood, you know,
Speaker 2: the one was made the bones and like fur and
Speaker 2: some other things. It's it's very very crude and rudimentary.
Speaker 2: But she had taken it, she had taken it from
Speaker 2: from where we were. She she'd gone and touched it,
Speaker 2: taken it. She had it in her home, and you know,
Speaker 2: all the anger came back, and we had our disagreement
Speaker 2: we had our argument where I, you know, I told her,
Speaker 2: you know, why, you know, why would you do this?
Speaker 2: You know, after all the things I told you, why
Speaker 2: would you do this? You know? Why go through and
Speaker 2: put yourself here? Why put us here? Why do this
Speaker 2: to us? And that's kind of when she you know,
Speaker 2: because we'd talked a lot before your friends, and we
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the stuff that she was interested in.
Speaker 2: I kind of expressed, you know, knowledge and understanding of it.
Speaker 2: She had listened to my episode and heard where I
Speaker 2: had said I felt like a magnet, and she thought
Speaker 2: that that was the very act description I guess, and
Speaker 2: figured that why not let's test that theory, because she
Speaker 2: she wanted, she wanted to see, She wanted it whatever
Speaker 2: she want wanted it for, whether she thought that it
Speaker 2: would give her some enlightenment or whether it proved something
Speaker 2: or or I don't I don't know. If I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what she wanted. But the fact that
Speaker 2: that sacrificial author had like what it had and all that,
Speaker 2: and there were things there that were wrong about it.
Speaker 2: There are a whole host of things that you know,
Speaker 2: just none of it felt right, none of it. None
Speaker 2: of it seemed right, and she invited. It is how
Speaker 2: I feel looking at it now as I'm older, as
Speaker 2: I've had time to get away from it, and I mean,
Speaker 2: and she she did. She did threaten me that if
Speaker 2: I ever talked about it, But like we haven't had
Speaker 2: conversation with each other for quite a long time. She's
Speaker 2: well and far removed and gone at this point, probably
Speaker 2: doesn't even go by the nickname that she was using,
Speaker 2: the one that I'm calling her by now, probably doesn't
Speaker 2: even use that. So I highly doubt that it would
Speaker 2: matter be of much consequence of me sharing it now,
Speaker 2: mainly because there's no reason for us to interact any
Speaker 2: Anything that did exist was gone after that day when
Speaker 2: we you know, neevitably broke apart, and it was a
Speaker 2: rough It was a rough breakup and everything like that,
Speaker 2: even still because it sucked because you know, you go
Speaker 2: sixth state on having somebody there all the time and
Speaker 2: they're not being there anymore. But you know, she she
Speaker 2: got what she wanted. She'll she'll be known for her activities,
Speaker 2: I guess now to whatever degree you know, that's up
Speaker 2: to everybody else. I'm not going to go into the
Speaker 2: details or express what kind of human beings. She was
Speaker 2: leave that for everybody here to kind of come through.
Speaker 2: But I was used for whatever purpose, which I believe
Speaker 2: was that, and she got what she wanted. Uh, and
Speaker 2: I got another memory of these things. I guess on
Speaker 2: a story to tell around the campfire. We're here with
Speaker 2: you to helpfully encourage other people who I mean, if
Speaker 2: I've seen one here in Texas, I'm sure other people
Speaker 2: have too down this far. And like I said in
Speaker 2: the very first video, I mean, if you're scared to
Speaker 2: share it, there's no safer person or place to do
Speaker 2: it than here with it. There's nobody that understands more
Speaker 2: than Vic does. I think in terms of kind of
Speaker 2: care he offers, the kind of advice he gives, the
Speaker 2: way that he conducts this and everything that goes into it,
Speaker 2: and the amount of documentation and records. I mean, there
Speaker 2: are hundreds of people have come and given their testimony.
Speaker 2: Don't sit on it, don't give it strength by burying it,
Speaker 2: because these things, that's what they thrive on. And the
Speaker 2: more they can get to you, the more they'll come.
Speaker 2: And you know whether or not she continued on her
Speaker 2: path and did what she did and found more or
Speaker 2: if it found her. I don't know, but I haven't
Speaker 2: since her and I parted, ways haven't really had any
Speaker 2: major in cares. There were a few weird moments, like
Speaker 2: I told you, I'm still looking for some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I have, Like if I can find that
Speaker 2: silly picture that's somewhere, I don't know if it's in
Speaker 2: my old phone, I might have to go try and
Speaker 2: get somebody to like go into it because it doesn't
Speaker 2: work like it used to. But I haven't able to
Speaker 2: find it yet. But there were you know, footprints outside
Speaker 2: my window where someone looked like I've been standing there
Speaker 2: very heavy, fairly large. There's been banging and thumping. There's
Speaker 2: been a couple of times where the neighborhood dogs have
Speaker 2: freaked out together like they have freaked out, and my
Speaker 2: neighbor's dog has freaked out too. And these aren't like
Speaker 2: you know, let me inside, like I told you, kind
Speaker 2: of barks and saying yell. These are I'm angry or
Speaker 2: something's here and I don't want it here, get away.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm sure given the wilderness that is
Speaker 2: around where I live, and you know the vast areas
Speaker 2: that in Texas where there just isn't anything there. There's
Speaker 2: plenty of territory, there's plenty of spaces for these things
Speaker 2: to hide. I mean they hide even in suburban areas.
Speaker 2: And like, I'm pretty sure I remember if I heard
Speaker 2: a story here, if I was listening to it, because
Speaker 2: I was listening to it on one of my lunches.
Speaker 2: But I think there was one that was like in
Speaker 2: a like not a city, but a small town, like
Speaker 2: a fairly small town, but it was populated enough to
Speaker 2: where it could be I guess considered a fledgling city
Speaker 2: or one coming up to it, right, And this thing
Speaker 2: just kind of like lived on the outskirts, just outside.
Speaker 2: I mean, they know where to live, they know how
Speaker 2: to hide, they know how to stay away from us
Speaker 2: and everything like that. I don't remember it was here.
Speaker 2: If it was another channel that i'd watched with Chris,
Speaker 2: but he'd have me listen to it. I'd have to
Speaker 2: go see if I can get him to give me
Speaker 2: that later, and maybe I can sendient link so you
Speaker 2: can give him a shout out. I don't know, it
Speaker 2: might be. I'm pretty sure it's here. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it's one of yours, But I'm not sure. These things
Speaker 2: can be anywhere, and I don't want people suffering because
Speaker 2: they're scared to share their experiences. You're going to feel
Speaker 2: crazy while you're talking about it. I feel crazy right now,
Speaker 2: and I've done. And this is the second time I've
Speaker 2: been here with VIC, and I still feel that way.
Speaker 2: But you know it's because these are supposed to be
Speaker 2: movie moms. This is supposed to be stuff you tell
Speaker 2: your kids to keep them in check, to keep them
Speaker 2: in bed when they're supposed to be in bed, and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. It's not supposed to be a living,
Speaker 2: breathing creature that walks and breathes the same air we do,
Speaker 2: on the same earth we do. It's not supposed to
Speaker 2: be that. It's supposed to be fantasy, and when you
Speaker 2: see one, it changes your life. So for those of
Speaker 2: you who are out there, if you are like Ali,
Speaker 2: learn from her experience and don't you don't want it.
Speaker 2: It changed her as much for too as she had,
Speaker 2: as much as she thinks she wanted it. I know
Speaker 2: it was a regret because of the look on her
Speaker 2: face and the fact that she was never the same
Speaker 2: after that. Because some of our friends who still used
Speaker 2: to hang out with her for at least a while
Speaker 2: until I kind of dipped out. You know. They told
Speaker 2: me she had never been different since she excuse me,
Speaker 2: she had never been the same since then. She'd been different, quieter, colder.
Speaker 2: She just wasn't wasn't the same person. Don't just be
Speaker 2: be thankful that you haven't, enjoy your peace in your life,
Speaker 2: and just be safe. There's no reason to go looking
Speaker 2: for these things, because the more you look for them
Speaker 2: and when you find them, you might be the unlucky
Speaker 2: soul who doesn't get to tell a story. Because I'm
Speaker 2: sure for every story that's told of these things, with
Speaker 2: as many of of them as there are, there are
Speaker 2: stories that will never be told because the person who
Speaker 2: experienced them is not here because they didn't get the
Speaker 2: I'm going to stare at you, they got your food.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. It's like with any wild animal. Please,
Speaker 2: if if anything from this video you listen to, Please God,
Speaker 2: listen to that. Don't don't do it. Just it's not
Speaker 2: worth it. There's no reason to do it. You don't
Speaker 2: need that be here for those of those who have
Speaker 2: suffered through living with this creature and having it haunt
Speaker 2: their lives and bother them. Do that that's how you
Speaker 2: can make your difference. That's how you can make your
Speaker 2: your stance. That's how you can stand there. But don't
Speaker 2: try to find it to prove a point. You know,
Speaker 2: if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe
Speaker 2: in it. That's fine. I'd rather you not believe and
Speaker 2: live your life completely free of it and have a long,
Speaker 2: prosperous life with you know, lots of kids and all
Speaker 2: the money you could stand to have, and every good
Speaker 2: thing that could possibly happen to you, you know, living
Speaker 2: be ripe and old and everything else. Then have one
Speaker 2: of these things come crashing into your life, because usually
Speaker 2: they don't leave, and when they show up, other things
Speaker 2: tend to to. There are plenty of stories of people
Speaker 2: who have experienced one and the thing and then they
Speaker 2: run into another one. And there's some terrifying accounts, you know,
Speaker 2: just on Dick's channel alone, where you know they they're
Speaker 2: not just you know, for lack of a better term, giant,
Speaker 2: you know, internet trolls that live out in the forest
Speaker 2: and try to bait your feelings. There's plenty of stories
Speaker 2: about them, you know, hurting people and doing things to
Speaker 2: hurt people and putting people in the bad position. So
Speaker 2: just be safe out there. You know, don't don't ever
Speaker 2: go camping without a firearm, don't ever go camping without
Speaker 2: tools to survive. Don't do any of that. And if
Speaker 2: there's places where people say they are, just don't go
Speaker 2: there or try not to, you know, don't live your
Speaker 2: life in fear, as Vic says. But like at the
Speaker 2: same time, don't be like, hey, yeah, I know there's
Speaker 2: dogmen in these woods over here because someone you know,
Speaker 2: told a story and they when they were a kid,
Speaker 2: and these things are out there. Just don't do it.
Speaker 2: It's not like a bear it, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: like you know, normal animals where there are things you
Speaker 2: can do to deter them. These things do not care.
Speaker 2: The case in point with this one that was messing
Speaker 2: with the car when we were in it. At any point,
Speaker 2: if it really wanted to, it could have it could
Speaker 2: have done it. I know it could have done it.
Speaker 2: You know, you just feeling it moved the car, you
Speaker 2: knew it could have done it. At the very at
Speaker 2: the very least, it would have been able to flip
Speaker 2: the car over, probably before we could react. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I think God every day that it didn't, you know.
Speaker 2: I thank God every day that I'm all right. But
Speaker 2: I'm still here that I'm here talking with Vic, and
Speaker 2: I'm telling my story. I don't go there anymore. I
Speaker 2: don't even drive down that road no more. I don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere near that road.
Speaker 4: I'd rather take the commute through the frontage or the
Speaker 4: freeway or the highway, and it is dealing with road
Speaker 4: rage and slow times, then take a quicker route and
Speaker 4: have the risk of that thing coming out of the
Speaker 4: tree line trying to shoulder check my car.
Speaker 2: So that's about it. It's not as there's not as much.
Speaker 2: There's a lot there, but I don't think this as
Speaker 2: much as the last time. But I'm sorry I waited
Speaker 2: so long to reach out Vic, and I'm sorry guys
Speaker 2: that have been gone for so long, and for those
Speaker 2: again I've left behind because of this stuff to try
Speaker 2: and distance myself all these years. I'm sorry. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to run. You know that I have my own
Speaker 2: slice of happiness, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't apologize for any of that. I mean, when
Speaker 3: you reached out to me, it was the right time,
Speaker 3: because that was the time you determined that it was
Speaker 3: the right time to contact me. So now I'm just
Speaker 3: glad that you brought me up to speed. Having said that,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to hear that you have these new experiences,
Speaker 3: especially the one that happened that night in the car.
Speaker 3: There is one thing I do want to touch on, though,
Speaker 3: that you said. Everything that you said I totally agree
Speaker 3: with except one thing, and that is there being tons
Speaker 3: of credible, at least credible stories out there about these
Speaker 3: guys harming people. Now, I've said this who knows many
Speaker 3: times on the show. I'll never tell anyone that dog
Speaker 3: men are safe to be around. The best dog man
Speaker 3: encounter to have is the one that never happens in
Speaker 3: the first place. Because, yeah, I do believe that that
Speaker 3: these guys, given the right circumstances, will hurt people. But
Speaker 3: on the other hand, I think it's been clearly demonstrated
Speaker 3: over the years that as a whole, these guys are
Speaker 3: not wired by nature to just look for an opportunity
Speaker 3: to rip a person apart. But yeah, I do believe
Speaker 3: there are deviant dog men out there that are dangerous
Speaker 3: and if it get the opportunity, they will hurt and
Speaker 3: kill people. But I think those deviant dog men are very,
Speaker 3: very few and far between. I've gone over this before.
Speaker 3: Why do I come to that conclusion? Why have I
Speaker 3: come to that conclusion? Because I've literally spoken with thousands
Speaker 3: upon thousands of people who were in the perfect place
Speaker 3: for a dog man. They had encountered to do that too,
Speaker 3: but like you, they were allowed to leave without a scratch.
Speaker 3: Does that mean that it never happens where dog men
Speaker 3: harm people, where dog men kill people. Absolutely not. I
Speaker 3: fully believe that happens. I fully believe that they do
Speaker 3: harm people. I'd fully believe that sometimes they kill people.
Speaker 3: But my whole point, like I've said all along, is
Speaker 3: they are not They're clearly not wired by nature to
Speaker 3: be that way. The ones that happen to do that
Speaker 3: are just devo examples. So yeah, like I said, I
Speaker 3: agree totally with everything that you said, except that one
Speaker 3: idea that you put out there that, yeah, maybe you
Speaker 3: were trying to say that it's a fairly common thing
Speaker 3: for that to happen. I don't want to put words
Speaker 3: into your mouth, but my whole thing is, in case
Speaker 3: you were saying that, I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 3: you understood that I definitely don't agree with that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't they're like any wild animal right this
Speaker 2: way I look at them now, I don't hate them
Speaker 2: like I used to. I'm still a little angry, but
Speaker 2: I mean, like, hey, it wouldn't be but you know,
Speaker 2: we came into its house and she took something from it,
Speaker 2: so I'm coming to my house. It's still something from me.
Speaker 2: They're going to get the worst of me too. And
Speaker 2: if that's the worst of that particular dog man, then
Speaker 2: I count myself blessed that it wasn't, you know, any
Speaker 2: angrier than it needed to be. Right. I don't want
Speaker 2: to make it sound and I apologize that probably it
Speaker 2: probably may it sound like something that is not I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's plenty of accounts of these things
Speaker 2: right just existing in general. What I'm saying is that,
Speaker 2: you know, pushing them, going into their homes, taking their stuff,
Speaker 2: messing with them, poking, prodding, just being kind of a
Speaker 2: disturber of their piece, that could make you the one
Speaker 2: that gets gets the deviant. Right. That's because you never know,
Speaker 2: you can only take so much. I mean, same with
Speaker 2: any other wild animal like bears, wolves, you know, mountain lions.
Speaker 2: If you come into their space and you do things
Speaker 2: specifically disrupt their lives, and you're doing things that are
Speaker 2: going to set them off. Yeah, you're probably gonna get
Speaker 2: it worse than somebody who's just minding your own business
Speaker 2: and is getting a passing. Oh, I'm kind of interested
Speaker 2: in this person behavior, right, And it is clear that
Speaker 2: they fixate you know, plenty of the stories that you hear,
Speaker 2: you know, and even my experiences of kind of they
Speaker 2: have to fixate on people for whatever reason. I don't
Speaker 2: know what kind of weird, wacky logic they have, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not meant to understand, but I can
Speaker 2: respect them as a part of nature and that they
Speaker 2: have their place and I have mine. Like I said
Speaker 2: in the men, I don't blame them. I don't even
Speaker 2: blame myself for this one. This was this is one
Speaker 2: of those things that there was somebody in between us
Speaker 2: that kind of pit us on this path. I feel
Speaker 2: like this collision course, and you know, I can't be
Speaker 2: angry with it when it, for at least for my understanding,
Speaker 2: was defending its territory because any animal would act the
Speaker 2: same way. I guess. I guess I'm just saying, don't
Speaker 2: do as she did, because you never know, like we're
Speaker 2: all people. We all have different things to set us off,
Speaker 2: you know, differences is we don't have that kind of
Speaker 2: faral side to us like that, and animals they will
Speaker 2: react accordingly. So I don't know. I'm just grateful that
Speaker 2: it didn't decide that, you know, she had crossed a
Speaker 2: line that could not be uncrossed. I think scaring the
Speaker 2: actual scaring her half to death is probably all it
Speaker 2: wanted to do. And I'll be honest, if she went
Speaker 2: and since she went out there and messed with it stuff,
Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain it watched her do it the entire time.
Speaker 2: I'm fairly confident because I didn't leave where we were
Speaker 2: very much. You know, of course, you go to the
Speaker 2: bathroom back when you're getting ready to do a bathroom thing,
Speaker 2: when you're getting ready to go to the and do camping, right,
Speaker 2: which you know it happens. But I didn't leave our
Speaker 2: little area that we had designated. I didn't kind of
Speaker 2: go trapsing off that far. She wasn't far enough for
Speaker 2: where I couldn't hear her, but I couldn't see if
Speaker 2: anything was watching her while she was filling with its stuff.
Speaker 2: I didn't really want to go test fate, you know,
Speaker 2: and run into something weird like that.
Speaker 3: But that's what I was saying, VICI, I see, thanks
Speaker 3: for clearing that up.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Having said that, Bryce, it's about time for us to
Speaker 3: call it before we do. I just want to thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on. And I wanted to
Speaker 3: see if he had any closing comments you want to
Speaker 3: put out there for us. It sounds like you've already
Speaker 3: done a really good job with the closing comments. But
Speaker 3: if there's anything else, please tell us.
Speaker 2: Guys. Like I said earlier, just you know, VI's the same.
Speaker 2: He does this, I don't, you know, for us, like
Speaker 2: he can help. I said it my first time I
Speaker 2: was here and talking with him again. He managed to
Speaker 2: get me to feel at ease. He gave me some
Speaker 2: good advice. He's a good man, and he can take
Speaker 2: care of whatever it is that's ailing you, whatever demons
Speaker 2: these things have put in your head. So if you
Speaker 2: have experiences. This is the only reason I stepped forward
Speaker 2: is because I didn't want anybody who's here in Texas
Speaker 2: or further down south, who you know, feel like maybe
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be seeing things because most of these, at
Speaker 2: least from what I've always remembered happened further north. Don't
Speaker 2: just sit on it. You know that can help you.
Speaker 2: He can at least help you get these out of
Speaker 2: your heads, that we can live your life and be
Speaker 2: free of it. And we need each other when you
Speaker 2: see these things. It comes down to nobody's got understand
Speaker 2: the kind of shenanigans and pain that you're going through,
Speaker 2: or the thought process you know, from feeling you're crazy
Speaker 2: or there's something wrong with you, whatever it is. Whatever
Speaker 2: it is, I don't think any of us would anybody,
Speaker 2: but somebody who's seen it would understand that better outside
Speaker 2: of maybe Vic. And that's just because he's been with
Speaker 2: it for so long and done this for so long.
Speaker 2: I'm very thankful that I managed to run into him,
Speaker 2: and I'm very thankful that I managed to be given
Speaker 2: the privilege of being here to share my stories with
Speaker 2: you guys, and to have Vic help me in the
Speaker 2: ways he has. I wouldn't be where I am today
Speaker 2: in my life without him, be honest with you, I'd
Speaker 2: still be pulling jump change, working ranky dingk jobs. He
Speaker 2: was the one that gave me the hope for better
Speaker 2: and that I shouldn't let my experiences make me duck
Speaker 2: my head and hide. And I've tried to live up
Speaker 2: to the you know, the words that he gave me,
Speaker 2: and I tell myself them every day when I need them.
Speaker 2: So if you need somebody, he's here, please let him
Speaker 2: help you.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for the glowing words. That's awfully
Speaker 3: kind of you. But yeah, you give me way too
Speaker 3: much credit, you really do. I just try to help
Speaker 3: that witnesses the best I can come to terms with
Speaker 3: their encounters, and yeah, that's all that I do. But
Speaker 3: thanks again so much, and have a great night.