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<v Speaker 3>Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Five years ago. On

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Tonight's guest was featured

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<v Speaker 3>on episode three oh one, and that episode was titled

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<v Speaker 3>dog Me and Horror Show. Well, since that episode aired,

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<v Speaker 3>there have been new developments and because of that, he's

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<v Speaker 3>agreed to come back on and update all of us

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<v Speaker 3>about what's been going on. Having said all that, Bryce Gardner,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks so much for coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me Vick, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that goes two ways. I'm glad to hear from you,

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<v Speaker 3>or I say I was glad to hear from you

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<v Speaker 3>when you reached out to me recently to update me.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm so sorry that you've had all these new experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am too. You think you get away from

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<v Speaker 2>things and they somehow managecreet back in. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>through any fault of mine, and I don't think it

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<v Speaker 2>was from any fault of theirs either, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure we'll get into that soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, we definitely will. Well before we do

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<v Speaker 3>get to things like that. For anyone who missed that episode,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess for people who did catch that episode,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been five years, please give us a bio on

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<v Speaker 3>yourself again.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Bryce Gardner. As you've said, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one now. Because it's been five years, I'm thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one now. I am currently in a much better state

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<v Speaker 2>of employment. I can't share anything ause of NDAs and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, but trust assured everybody, I'm doing fine

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<v Speaker 2>currently in the Gulf Coast of Texas. Now. We moved

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was a little bit after our interview,

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<v Speaker 2>which was something that we were planning on doing as

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<v Speaker 2>a family, because you know, Dad's job kind of gave out,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and they basically toldly moved down here, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we came with them, and you know, because of world events,

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<v Speaker 2>we got stuck. And it's kind of just been that

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<v Speaker 2>way ever since. There's I mean, there's not a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot to say outside of I've gotten back into physical

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<v Speaker 2>training and stuff like that to get my body all

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<v Speaker 2>back up and rights and everything after years of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of neglecting that, so I'm doing good on that front.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm healthy, I'm as happy as I suppose one could be.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know really what else to say. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite good at talking about myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh come on, now, you did a good job of

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<v Speaker 3>summing everything up. And yeah, like I told you the

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<v Speaker 3>first time we spoke, I'm proud of you. Sounds to

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<v Speaker 3>me like you're doing a really good job of getting

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<v Speaker 3>your life just the way you wanted to be. You've

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<v Speaker 3>made some really good improvements. You really have a right

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, Vic.

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<v Speaker 2>It means a lot to me, especially coming from you,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of your advice is what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got me to some of the places I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>being the good, the good places, the good, the good places.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, none of the shenanigans that was that one

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<v Speaker 2>was all me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for clarifying that it was only the good places.

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<v Speaker 3>You had me starting to worry there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, if I listened to your advice, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I would end up what I was with when it

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<v Speaker 1>all happened. So uh, that was just kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>blind side moment, pretty face, nice smile kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets y'all messed up and your innobitions kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>away sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a me thing. Not taking control, as I believe

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<v Speaker 2>was the advice you gave me and making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you're always aware of what's going on. So I should

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<v Speaker 2>have kept my little VIC that lives in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of my mind somewhere and reminds me occasionally of things

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<v Speaker 2>that we talked about last time and this time too,

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<v Speaker 2>life advice that you gave me that has helped quite

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<v Speaker 2>quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a little VIC in the back of your head.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a scary thought.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's lived back there. He just occasionally comes out

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me of the things we talked about, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you got to do this, this and this

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<v Speaker 2>and then things will get better kind of thing. He

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<v Speaker 2>was there and very active when this was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you run into these things, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more terrifying than seeing one. And you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like with any animal that's dangerous and can harm you,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's not a whole lot between you and them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's say, it's a very terrifying experience. If I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of spoke with you beforehand and I had to just

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<v Speaker 2>muscled it through it and you know, swallowed it like

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I don't think I would have handled it

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<v Speaker 2>the way I did. I don't think things would have

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<v Speaker 2>gone as well as they did all things considered, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Without saying I'm so sorry to hear you had to

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<v Speaker 3>have these new experiences, but I guess there is a

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<v Speaker 3>ray of sunshine in that you handled you in a

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<v Speaker 3>very good way, or at least as well as could

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<v Speaker 3>be hoped, So thank goodness for that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if I handle it as good once I

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<v Speaker 2>go into Like we didn't discuss it at length before,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's primarily just me not wanting to have it

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<v Speaker 2>relived it. But I did all right, but I still

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<v Speaker 2>think I could have done better. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things that's always in hindsight when you look at these experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the moment of adrenaline, there's not a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot you can really do to kind of steer that

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<v Speaker 2>particular ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. I can appreciate your feelings on that, but you

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<v Speaker 3>could handle any situation better. I just think you deserve

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of credit for handling the situations as well

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<v Speaker 3>as you did. From what you shared with me about

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<v Speaker 3>what's happened. But before we get to that, just a

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<v Speaker 3>moment ago, you mentioned a pretty face and a nice smile.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I have you bring everyone up to speed on

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<v Speaker 3>what you talked about in episode three oh one, please

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<v Speaker 3>go into more detail about that pretty face and nice

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<v Speaker 3>smile that cause some unfortunate things to happen without revealing

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<v Speaker 3>any details of the new encounters that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course. So I'm for everybody. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody understands the saying. But I met a girl at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, she was very beautiful. I mean, she is

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful. I should say, uh, we don't speak anymore

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<v Speaker 2>because of the events that happened. But she was not

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<v Speaker 2>who I thought she was. She had become enamored, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she was enamored with the paranormal and like cryptids and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else from the start, which I didn't think was

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. But tons of people are. And I

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<v Speaker 2>always refer people to VIC Channel just because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if people have experiences and stuff like that, or know

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<v Speaker 2>somebody you know, giving getting them the help is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what matters. It's kind of like you have a

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<v Speaker 2>I have I have a buddy who claims, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>that he's had a big foot encounter, so referring him

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, like the big foot encounters and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, it's just a place for them to go

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<v Speaker 2>get it off their chest because holding on to it.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've learned, and as victored with me last time

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<v Speaker 2>we heard, it's not healthy and it can cause a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of problems, especially if it's really traumatic. It's really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not easy to talk about. I don't normally stammer

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<v Speaker 2>or catch myself like this because even now it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to process, even even with the knowledge I

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<v Speaker 2>have now and where I am in life now, it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was enamored with it. My mistake was introducing

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<v Speaker 2>her to VIC show, not because Vic's bad or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that or it shows bad, but because she she

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<v Speaker 2>listened to my episode, listened to other people's episodes, and she,

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<v Speaker 2>for a lack of a term, decided she wanted one.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted one of her own. It's the I saw

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<v Speaker 2>something cool and I wanted to and she went over

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond to get it. And this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>these situations that you play silly games to win silly prizes,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately I happened to be there when the prize

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<v Speaker 2>was won, and I mean webet about six between six

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<v Speaker 2>to eight months. I haven't dated since, just life hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed for it, And be honest with you, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>really looking. I don't really think I'm particularly cut out

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<v Speaker 2>for it kind of thing. But that's a side note,

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<v Speaker 2>not really that important. But she's kind of the catalyst

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<v Speaker 2>behind all of this. She is the I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to lay blame at her feet because I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>she realized the gravity of it at the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she realized what she was doing, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if she maybe thought she did, I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>realized how bad it was going to get. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like one of those situations where you antagonize an

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<v Speaker 2>animal enough, even if it is an intelligent animal, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose its patience. And I'm kind of confident

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<v Speaker 2>that's what happened. Granted, I don't know how long everything

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<v Speaker 2>had been going on, right, I don't, And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things I still don't know, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I ever will know, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know. But she's the She's the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of girl where she saw a spooky doll that looked

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<v Speaker 2>like it crawled right out of Annabel and dumped and

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<v Speaker 2>jumped into the dumpster. Go get it and haul it

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<v Speaker 2>out despite my protest woah, because I didn't want the

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<v Speaker 2>thing in the car because it was terrifying. So she's

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of She's that kind of girl. She's crazy rowdy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun while it lasted. We had a brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>thing that burned out quickly, as most bright and brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>flames do, you know, But that's I best the sum

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank goodness it did burn out. At the time,

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<v Speaker 3>it might have been frustrating, but everything you told me

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<v Speaker 3>about her, I'm so glad it did. If you've had

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<v Speaker 3>a Dogman encounter that you need help dealing with, or

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<v Speaker 3>if you'd like to be a guest on the show,

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<v Speaker 3>please go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've had a Bigfoot sighting, we'll like to be

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<v Speaker 3>a guest on one of my two big foot podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what, Bryce, We have a lot to unpack here,

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<v Speaker 3>so first I want you to please give us a

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<v Speaker 3>fly over of all the experiences you told us about

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<v Speaker 3>in episode three oh one to bring us all up

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<v Speaker 3>to speed, and then after you do that, please just

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<v Speaker 3>dive right end updating us on what happens since.

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<v Speaker 2>So in three oh one we discussed when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, I saw one when we went up to

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<v Speaker 2>the Native American reservation. We ran to some where, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we ran into the signs of one and my teacher's

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<v Speaker 2>dog was freaking out and the bus on the way home.

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<v Speaker 2>We were like in fourth grade. We went up there

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<v Speaker 2>to do a project. We went up there to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, about their culture and everything like that, which

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<v Speaker 2>I still loved the little mask I made too, which

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<v Speaker 2>teeth kind of thing, because you had to use what

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<v Speaker 2>you had. But it was her project. It was cool,

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<v Speaker 2>cool stuff. I would never trade it. And then at

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<v Speaker 2>air Force. It was, well, it's not there anymore, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's been taken down. As I've as I've heard recently,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been, it's been taken down. As of now, the

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they were talking about rebuilding it and

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<v Speaker 2>someone had bought the land. But like two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>I heard that they had finally, you know, gotten rid

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<v Speaker 2>of it completely. There was nothing left of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke about that, and we spoke about the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the long term effects and like how it felt

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<v Speaker 2>and everything like that, and a lot of the I

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<v Speaker 2>like nightmares that kind of came along with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>the stigma, not the stigma, the mental blocks that came

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<v Speaker 2>with it. There were a lot of things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you think you're crazy when you see stuff like this.

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<v Speaker 2>You develop coping mechanisms that may or may not be healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, vices like alcohols, smoking, you name it, things

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<v Speaker 2>that are there to kind of take the edge off,

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<v Speaker 2>like any traumatic memory. But I don't know if these

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<v Speaker 2>are related. I say that to everybody audience. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you're hoping that she makes your return.

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<v Speaker 2>The female dog Man that I ran into I. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it was. It could be. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Uh, I didn't. I couldn't really tell

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<v Speaker 2>with this one. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. There's a lot more I was focused on

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<v Speaker 2>than it. We didn't have that that moment of intimate

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<v Speaker 2>eye locking that me and the first one did where

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<v Speaker 2>I got a good look at it. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot different. So, uh, apologies in advance. It could be,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't. I don't think it was her mainly

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<v Speaker 2>be just because the fur was different from what I

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<v Speaker 2>could see. It didn't look the same. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>where it really started was well, shortly after Aliy and

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<v Speaker 2>I started dating. We'd we've been driving around, talking, been

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<v Speaker 2>showing me around because we'd moved and so I was new.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know where anything was, and we had gone

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<v Speaker 2>quite a while without this being brought up. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she started talking about it, which, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I learned that a lot of the people I met

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<v Speaker 2>here had fascinations with this stuff. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>friends I made actually listen, believe it or not, to

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<v Speaker 2>this very show, and I didn't I didn't know up

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<v Speaker 2>until you know again after everything had been gone down,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't talk to him as much about this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. It's not something that comes up in

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<v Speaker 2>conversation often, at least not in I guess our day

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<v Speaker 2>to day Ali and I I had her listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the episode that had been three oh one, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she went listen to the others on her

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<v Speaker 2>own time, because you know, it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>once you live it, like coming back and listening to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure is, it's always good and I'm always here. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>not saying much, I am. I do listen to several

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<v Speaker 2>episodes when I have time, but with work and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's difficult. So she went and kind of was

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<v Speaker 2>doing research. And I assume it's because I told her

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes I still I do have nightmares of the experience,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I'm not. I don't want to say I'm

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<v Speaker 2>completely over it, but it was one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that every now and then, you know, something happens in

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<v Speaker 2>your life and then I guess your mind wanders is

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<v Speaker 2>the best way to put it. It haunts you long

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<v Speaker 2>after they're gone. And whether that's the dog Men has

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<v Speaker 2>some ability to do that. I've heard many people claim

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<v Speaker 2>that they have that ability where they can kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stay with you. It sticks with you, or it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the mind trying to rationalize it, or something happened that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of brings you back, whatever the significance is, I

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<v Speaker 2>warned her. You know, sometimes I'll wake up. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get weird. I don't like scream or anything. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>cold sweat, you know, you sit up, kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to go get some water, you know, walk around a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. It didn't help that she had land, her

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<v Speaker 2>her family had land, her her father had farmland and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of it. So going out there and

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to ever visit or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>it is just a lot of land, a lot of space,

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<v Speaker 2>which granted I'm a country kid, but you know, big

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<v Speaker 2>empty land where there's not a whole lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and there's trees and everything else with things to hide

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of become the bane of my existence. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always looking to see if there's something moving there shadows

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<v Speaker 2>things that aren't right, partly because you know, keeping your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes on your surroundings is kind of an important thing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when you're out in something else's house where you're

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<v Speaker 2>not in control. But we went out to friends Wood

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<v Speaker 2>for the Renaissance Fair, which is where we started noticing

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<v Speaker 2>that there were odd happenings. Ali had dressed up as

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<v Speaker 2>a shaman, right She had gone and gotten an outfit

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<v Speaker 2>looked like looked like she was an American shaman. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really cool. It was actually really cool to see

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<v Speaker 2>will it really well put together. But she had all

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<v Speaker 2>these these I don't want to call them she had.

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<v Speaker 2>She had talismans and stuff which were apparently legitimate, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're from her. They're actually family things like the little

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to call them opal but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>quite sure what they're called, you know, the little sea

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<v Speaker 2>foam jade looking things. She had a bunch of those.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even think of their name right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>could probably google it and figure it out, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't remember what they're exactly called. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>basically beads and stuff like that. She had furs and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was really big in the taxidermy, so she

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<v Speaker 2>did have some skulls. Now, I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 2>were real or not, but they looked real enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>They just didn't have any scent or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically we walked around. We did our thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't help but feel like we were being watched.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the rest once the fair. There's stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on everywhere. But you know, Ali was determined to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid the big crowds because she doesn't like people, like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people fair enough, I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 2>crowd person either, right, but skirting around the outside of

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of kind of drugged my attention to what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on because we were staying very close to

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<v Speaker 2>the woodline, to the tree line and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember they had this elephant there for elephant riots,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was getting frisky. It was not happy. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really do anything, but it was definitely getting It

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<v Speaker 2>was being very loud compared to when we first arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>and that day while we were having lunch and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>we sat away from everybody and we're kind of off

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<v Speaker 2>into the trees. I do this thing now if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having like a picnic or something, where I'll watch the

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<v Speaker 2>tree line as I'm eating, like because look for any

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<v Speaker 2>subtle shifts or anything. And I've started doing this a

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<v Speaker 2>lot because we have a lot of like wild boarder here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's you know, I watched a alligator or as we

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<v Speaker 2>call them, a swamp puppy. It come out and grab

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<v Speaker 2>some kids power wheel out of park because it was

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<v Speaker 2>near one of the docks, so I've seen there. We

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<v Speaker 2>have wildlife enough to be concerned about. Coyotes here are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty brazen too, so it's always good to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep your eyes open because you never know when some

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<v Speaker 2>guy decides to throw a sandwich out in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>and something decides that wants to bite kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And my primary concern is her and keeping

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<v Speaker 2>her like that's my objective at this stage, because if

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<v Speaker 2>something's coming, you know, I'd rather get me than her

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. And I remember looking out there and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing something move. At the time, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it was. I thought it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>really big dog, which sounds really funny given the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of you know where I am now and the things

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<v Speaker 2>that seemed before. But you know, there are dogs all

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<v Speaker 2>over the well, not all over the place, but there

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<v Speaker 2>were dogs. Again, we have coyotes, have all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>things out here, So assuming that it is that off

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<v Speaker 2>the cuff, I felt would be wrong. It did strike

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<v Speaker 2>me as odd because of where it was standing and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it was facing toward me, which I

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<v Speaker 2>remember looking at it and seeing the side of it

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<v Speaker 2>so that you could see it peeking around the corner

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<v Speaker 2>of the tree, and it looked like it was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of looking as if it had its head caught

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<v Speaker 2>towards you a little bit, so it looked like it

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<v Speaker 2>could have just had its head turned to the side

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<v Speaker 2>and was looking at you. Just couldn't see the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of it from where it was standing or how I

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<v Speaker 2>was standing. But it's the fact that it purposely kept

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<v Speaker 2>half of its face hidden. You can only see part

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<v Speaker 2>part of its ear and part of its neck, and

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<v Speaker 2>the way its head was turned, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard to see where exactly its body would be.

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<v Speaker 2>And it sat there for a long time, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was far enough out where I couldn't really discern the details.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just dark, had dark fur, and it had

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<v Speaker 2>very very very opulent gold eyes like these were very

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<v Speaker 2>large golden eyes, and well, I say amber eyes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I always say their gold because when the sun was

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<v Speaker 2>hitting it just right, it looked gold, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it for a long time while she was talking

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the people we went with and everything

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and eventually I actually saw it turn and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of head off in its own direction, like it

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<v Speaker 2>left right, and it didn't didn't make too much noise,

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't do anything malicious. I didn't see it do

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<v Speaker 2>atypical what I would expect after my experiences with the

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<v Speaker 2>the last one that we saw, where it can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of smile. I don't know if I had to explain it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it kind of it looks like it's smiling. But

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<v Speaker 2>I never got the feeling that it had fully left,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like I never felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it had vacated the premises. I felt like it was

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<v Speaker 2>more skirting around opportunistically looking for something to do. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was bored because looking back at it the

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<v Speaker 2>whole day, I was on edge after that, like I

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't. I wasn't gonna bring up in front of

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<v Speaker 2>our friends and our peers and everything like that I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly didn't want to bring it up in front

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<v Speaker 2>of her because she was having a good time and

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<v Speaker 2>she just tucked me to every single shop all the while.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to like keep an eye out because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>for lack of air term on edge because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was if it was as big as I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it might be. Even if it were just a coyo.

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<v Speaker 2>It's big, is big enough to where I even by itself,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be a problem if it was, you know what.

420
00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.680
<v Speaker 2>My gut was starting to tell me what it might

421
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<v Speaker 2>have been, which I didn't think was possible. Didn't even

422
00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.720
<v Speaker 2>think they would come this far south. I thought that,

423
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<v Speaker 2>you know, down in the Gulf Coast, that these things

424
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist. I figured it was mostly the northwest and

425
00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:13.039
<v Speaker 2>more northern areas. But you know, again, after Vic and

426
00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I talked last night, looking back at it, we have

427
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<v Speaker 2>enough of a population of food sources for something like

428
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that to survive comfortably, you know, from alligators to bores

429
00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.759
<v Speaker 2>to everything else. So maybe it was just foolish optimism

430
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to believe that it couldn't be. And I spent a

431
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.119
<v Speaker 2>long time saying that to myself, that it couldn't be.

432
00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.880
<v Speaker 2>There's no way, What are the odds, It's impossible. You

433
00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>know this stuff you tell yourself to try and make

434
00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>sense of the situation. You know, it's it's heck, you

435
00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.160
<v Speaker 2>have one encounter. What are the It's like lightning striking,

436
00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.599
<v Speaker 2>isn't It can't strike in the same place twice, right, Like,

437
00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:54.759
<v Speaker 2>how are odds of that? And was I wrong? Was

438
00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:59.799
<v Speaker 2>I wrong? We came home, you know, I went home,

439
00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:02.680
<v Speaker 2>She went home For a while. We were working at

440
00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.599
<v Speaker 2>the same place until I eventually left. So that way

441
00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.039
<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have to worry about it, which is why

442
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.160
<v Speaker 2>we weren't worried about dating and everything, because I was

443
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.200
<v Speaker 2>moving on to a different job, a better job. That

444
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:15.599
<v Speaker 2>was when I was rocking my my suit and ponytail

445
00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Combovic he would have been proud of me. Was sell

446
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 2>the fragrance for a while, making the big bucks on

447
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the commissions. It was a good job. It was a

448
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 2>fun job. I do kind of miss it. But she

449
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>called me one day when I was on shift, right,

450
00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I was on lunch, and she told me that something

451
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:37.799
<v Speaker 2>had damaged their fences on their farm. Like, okay, what

452
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:39.880
<v Speaker 2>do you mean something damage your fences around your farm?

453
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Like what are we talking about? What are we trying

454
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>to damage? Is something dig under it? There's something true

455
00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:45.799
<v Speaker 2>on it? Like what are we talking about? Cause you know,

456
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>coyotes if they want to get in maybe all sorts

457
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:49.839
<v Speaker 2>of stuff to get into fences if they can't get

458
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>over it. So if they can't get over it they'll

459
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:53.920
<v Speaker 2>go under. It doesn't look like something to that. She's like, no,

460
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.599
<v Speaker 2>something actually just kind of busted through the fence a

461
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit like it looks like something pushed through the fence.

462
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, okay, because this is like two

463
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.799
<v Speaker 2>weeks later now to put in respective friends what is

464
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>about two hours from us technically because we have to

465
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>cut through Houston. We live in League City now. She

466
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>lives in friends Wood, but she lives up in the

467
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:16.319
<v Speaker 2>part of friends With where her dad has land. Now,

468
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>whether they still have that land, I don't know. I

469
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>haven't spoken to her, and I have no idea the

470
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:23.160
<v Speaker 2>state of her family or anything like that. So the guys,

471
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't answer that. I don't know. But at the

472
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>time she hit, they had a decent amount of land

473
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and a nice house, a very nice house, and her

474
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 2>calling me when her dad is there because her dad's

475
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest guys I've ever met. Like he's

476
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.400
<v Speaker 2>just big, you know, his forum is this is like

477
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 2>worth twice of mine. And I'm not a small dude,

478
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 2>but he's just got barrels for forms. He's a big guy,

479
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>his strong dude. I respect him a lot. He he

480
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to necessarily deal with it alone, and he

481
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't want her out there with him, right, So I

482
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>go over there and we to check it out, and

483
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 2>it does look like something had pushed through the fence,

484
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>like if you put your weight on like a fence,

485
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:06.839
<v Speaker 2>like a small wooden fence, and you're trying to break

486
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>it down, and you put your weight down on it

487
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to kind of bend it forward. Is what it looked like.

488
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 2>But it almost looks like someone didn't fully do it,

489
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and it was bent inward, which was a little concerning.

490
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>And we found dog tracks, big ones, and my heart

491
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:28.279
<v Speaker 2>sank because he was telling me it's a coyote, you know,

492
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and I know he could see that I was visibly.

493
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be honest, I was. I was kind of

494
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 2>a coward a little bit. I didn't want to be

495
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:36.839
<v Speaker 2>there anymore. I wanted to get the heck out of there.

496
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to leave. I did not want to be

497
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.559
<v Speaker 2>there anymore. I did not feel comfortable there. I did

498
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>not want to have any part of it. I was like, Nope,

499
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that's too big to be a county. There's no way

500
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that's a coyote. Now, granted it could have been, I

501
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>guess you know, they do get big. But my head

502
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.559
<v Speaker 2>space then wasn't on the rational explanation. Mike said, space

503
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, so we had something watching us at

504
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the Renaissance Fair like two weeks ago, and now I

505
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 2>got this. There's no way these are a coincidence because

506
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not gonna sit here

507
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:10.839
<v Speaker 2>and tell myself and lie to myself because I did

508
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>that once before and look where that ended up. I'm

509
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 2>just I'm gonna remove myself because I know we talked

510
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>about a little bit in three oh one, as I

511
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>think we did. I could be wrong, but I think

512
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>we did where I told you. I feel like I'm

513
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>magnet to some of stuff, cause weird stuff doesn't just

514
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 2>happen around me a lot. You know, I did a

515
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of time living up in the Northwest. Sorry, I'm

516
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.079
<v Speaker 2>getting a little bit, uh, I'm getting a little bit spooked,

517
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and I'll get into that minute and why. But I've

518
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>always kind of had this thing where weird stuff just

519
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>tends to kind of happen or around me, not to

520
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:54.759
<v Speaker 2>me specifically, but around me. You know, weird things, if

521
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 2>it could happen, it will, And so living here up

522
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 2>until that point, I had had to deal with any

523
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of that. Right there, there was none of that. There

524
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>was no like, I can't tell you how peaceful and

525
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.559
<v Speaker 2>how happy I was, how peaceful. It was. None of that.

526
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It was just normal, day to day living, normal stuff.

527
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>No weird things, no dogmen, no paranormal or anything. Nothing

528
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>that's unexplainable that you have to just go, well, that

529
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>happened nothing. It was just me working, giving money, spending

530
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>time with her, and you know, going out occasionally getting

531
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:32.559
<v Speaker 2>drinks with my friends. Right very simple, very easy, and

532
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I felt invaded a little bit, like I had kind

533
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>of left, not only for my parents, but because I

534
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted a fresh start feet away from it all, you know.

535
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, well, you know, I left

536
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 2>a life behind to start a new one, and now

537
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.279
<v Speaker 2>you're here right now. Now you're coming into my space

538
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>where I made for myself away from all that, to

539
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>get away from a home of it. And because I

540
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>have cousins who are Native American, they're really distant, but

541
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 2>like they live up there and I don't get to

542
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>see them anymore, talk to them very much anymore, which

543
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of just started doing now, you know. Over

544
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of months. Recently, I've started just reaching

545
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>out to them to get a hold of them because

546
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>at this point, like looking back at it, it was

547
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 2>foolish of me to distance myself. It's just that my

548
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>cousins were, you know, into all that stuff. And again,

549
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if you, if you invite it into

550
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>your life, like if you're interested in it and you

551
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and this is a me thing, this is a and

552
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that I'm probably wrong in thinking like this, but I

553
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>always think like, if you give something power, if it's

554
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 2>like if you say its name, if you acknowledge it,

555
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>if you open yourself to it, you know, you invite

556
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>that thing in, You give it an in, you give

557
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 2>it a way to come into your life and invade

558
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it regardless of whether you want it to or not.

559
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.119
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't want that, you know, so I wanted

560
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 2>to remove all the possibility possibilities of somebody else being

561
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, or attracting it so it wouldn't affect me

562
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and I would and I was hoping that that would

563
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>take care of it all and I wouldn't have to

564
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>worry about it. Probably was wrong, and looking back, it

565
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>was selfish a little bit, you know. They didn't deserve that,

566
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 2>but it was just me trying to get a clean slate.

567
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 2>So I was a coward a little bit in that regard.

568
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>And for them, if they listen to this, if they

569
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>do listen to this, to all the people that I

570
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>had kind of walked away from to trying to preserve

571
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 2>some sense of peace, I'm sorry. It wasn't ever about you.

572
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It was nothing you did. I just didn't want it.

573
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want it to come back because I was

574
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 2>afraid that if it came back, it wouldn't leave. And

575
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced that it probably hasn't. There are things that

576
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you know looking back that yeah, I'm pretty sure there's

577
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 2>one near here. But I've segued enough. I'm sorry. I've

578
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of gone way off guilty with this a little bit.

579
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>We we went a while without hearing anything, right, so

580
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 2>nothing came of it. The fence was fixed, it didn't

581
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>look like anything. They did have a chicken or two

582
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>go missing, but but nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. We we

583
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.559
<v Speaker 2>went a couple more months, and so there's this road

584
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 2>that goes from League City or I guess through League

585
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>City kind of that's not quite a freeway or a highway,

586
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's it's a it's a large long stretch of

587
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 2>road that goes through like a couple of miles, well

588
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>not queuple of miles, but quite a quite a few

589
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>many miles of nothing ally told me was dead men's past.

590
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Now to give you guys a history lesson as to

591
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>what that is. It is an area where there's a

592
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 2>lot of like unsolved crime that goes on there. There's

593
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>there are people you know there have been and then

594
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>this isn't to get graphic or anything, but they have

595
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>they have found bodies out there back way back when,

596
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 2>like way way back when Kyries live out there, while

597
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.799
<v Speaker 2>boor live out there. It is a wooded area of

598
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>trees that kind of tangle around almost like thorn bushes

599
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of, and it's just wilderness. It's just tons and

600
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>tons of wilderness. And I'm pretty sure part of the

601
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>reason why it's never been buldozed over at taking care

602
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 2>of is a lot of it's kind of like bogland.

603
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of marshy parts of it, and there's

604
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>just not a lot you could probably do with it

605
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 2>right safely, so it's just kind of left to its

606
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>own devices. And it's huge. It's huge. Well, Ali and

607
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I used to go out there, and that was our

608
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>liked'll get away camping area. I know that sounds really dumb,

609
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>like it does like it sounds really dumb, but like

610
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, she had gone out there tons of times

611
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>from what she told me, and I trusted her. You know,

612
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>we got months with anything happening. I'm like, okay, maybe

613
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm just being paranoid again. She had a pretty face,

614
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty brown eyes, and a smile that could watch my

615
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 2>any war you have kind of thing. And so when

616
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>she tells me, you know, trust me, we're fine, I

617
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>chose to trust her. She'd been out there, her parents

618
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>had gone out there, she'd gone through friends camping, she'd

619
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 2>been out there, she'd been trapsing through those little wood

620
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>wooded areas for years and years and years, and so

621
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I trusted that we'd be fine. So we drove a

622
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>car down into this like a littlebankment area and came

623
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>down well on embankment, but basically into this little path

624
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>right where you know, a few cars. It was clear

625
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>people had come down here occasionally. It was not a

626
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>man made path necessarily, but it was one made overwear

627
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>and tear kind of thing. You ever make camping, you

628
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm talking about kind of thing where it's

629
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>just kind of matted down, the grounds clear because you know,

630
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 2>tires and god knows what else has come through here

631
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and made it kind of a pit path. And there

632
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 2>was this little area which is kind of clear where

633
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 2>the branches didn't come down as low and everything like that.

634
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>You can kind of see the sky up above. It

635
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>was really pretty. It was a beautiful place. They even

636
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 2>had some wild flowers out there that grew. They were

637
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>they were beautiful, and we were going to stay the

638
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>night there. I can almost feel myself screaming at me,

639
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>why would you do that? I know it's it's dumb,

640
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>but we were young. You know, we were in love,

641
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>or at least I thought we were in love, and

642
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, there were, for lack of better terms and

643
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>intentions for the evening, and we were getting comfortable for

644
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the evening and just kind of relaxing, and we had

645
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>gotten a kind of a fire going outside. You know,

646
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I cut some firewood, made a little area with some

647
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>rocks and everything where we could put it out easily

648
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 2>so we'd have some natural light rather than the lights

649
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>from the car. And we were just kind of preparing

650
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 2>to kind of turn in. I was. I had made

651
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 2>a CD for her, my own mixed CD of various songs,

652
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>which was just kind of like the cuddle playlist for

653
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 2>lack of a better term, where you just kind of

654
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like lay there and watch the star sort of thing,

655
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>and that was the goal. She wasn't in acoverable or

656
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. So we're gonna have to y out

657
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 2>to do that part. But we were in the car

658
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>because of other reasons, which I'm not about to get into.

659
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>But she stops me, you know, after we you know,

660
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>we'd started getting all cozy, and told me that she

661
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel right that, you know, and she sat up

662
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, well, what do you mean to you? You

663
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 2>don't feel right? She's like, don't you're always the one

664
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that's so paranoid. What do you mean? What do you

665
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 2>What do I mean? Do you not feel off? Like

666
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 2>we're being watched? And so I sat up and I

667
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well, you know, we we had earlier

668
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 2>seen you know, some old tents stuff like that. We

669
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>assumed that it might be homes some homeless folks that

670
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>had come out here occasionally because they kind of roam around.

671
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>If you've been in Texas, there's there's quite a not

672
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of them, but there's there's quite

673
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a few. So it didn't like it didn't even dawn

674
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>on me that like she meant something else. So of

675
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>course I just kind of like locked the doors to

676
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the car because I'm I'm way too distracted to think

677
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 2>straight at this stage. This is when when little Vick

678
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 2>should have started screaming, but he didn't quite get there yet.

679
00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't awake. I guess I hadn't given him his coffee.

680
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>But then it got really wrong, really quick. There were

681
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 2>birds out before they were quiet, and the air felt thick,

682
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.880
<v Speaker 2>like you know when you feel like you're in trouble,

683
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 2>or if you ever come home and you know, you

684
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>know mom and dad are gonna be mad at you,

685
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're just kind of walking that walk, that long,

686
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 2>tension filled walk where you don't want to go in

687
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the house. It felt like that, but it felt like

688
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 2>that everywhere, like there was no getting away from it.

689
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>And I'd never seen Alie scared. Ali was that country

690
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>girl who just didn't get afraid. She wasn't afraid of anything.

691
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I've seen her square up with people that were twice

692
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 2>my size, right, big scary guys that you know, even

693
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I might give a second glance. And she just didn't care.

694
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 2>She just did not care. And because of that, I

695
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it was just watching her her face

696
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of get to where she's like, I don't know

697
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>what it is, but I don't like you here. We

698
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 2>should we should go. And I'm like, okay, well, let's

699
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 2>put out the fire and everything. And as I go

700
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>to reach for the door, the car alerches a little

701
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>bit a lot, but a little bit enough to wear

702
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>for like something put weight on it. And I'm sitting

703
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>there kind of going, okay, well that wasn't you, and

704
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't me. And so I look outside and I'm

705
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>expecting to see some some goober sticking his face against

706
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the window making weird eyeballs at us or something. I'm

707
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 2>expecting anything at this stage other than what I saw,

708
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 2>which was a close up of that eye that I

709
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>had seen at the Renaissance Fair, and it was just

710
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>staring at us. And and I can't tell you, I

711
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>cannot express you how cold I got because it didn't

712
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 2>look at us like oh what's this. It was almost

713
00:36:58.159 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>like it looked at us as if it were amused

714
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that we thought we had gotten away, because it had

715
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that kind of curve to it, like when you smile

716
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>when you're you're kind of happy, whether you're happy to

717
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>see somebody or something else. And it was almost like, ah,

718
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>there you are. And I could almost feel my heart

719
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in my throat because you know, before, when I was

720
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 2>a kid, when this happened, it was me and my

721
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 2>silly friends who were doing stupid things that you should

722
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>have been doing, and going places at our parents tould

723
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>is not to go. If something had happened, we would

724
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>have deserved it. We went looking, and at the time,

725
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, we weren't even We're not even where

726
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 2>you should be. You shouldn't even be here. And all

727
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I can think about, you know, is is Ali. I'm

728
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of glancing over my shoulder and I'm facing it.

729
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I turned around to face it. I'm glancing over my

730
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 2>shoulder and she is as pale as a ghost, and

731
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>she's just sitting there with her mouth open, staring at

732
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>this thing. And you know, I'm thankful that she's not

733
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 2>screaming yet, that she's not freaking out. And then its

734
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.760
<v Speaker 2>head raises and it purposely did this, you know, looking back,

735
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>And I only know because of the nightmare I had

736
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>last night after talking about it with you, where I

737
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of got moments where I got to, you know,

738
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>see or kind of relive parts of it. But I

739
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>never realized that it didn't intentionally. And I can't say

740
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>it didn't because there's no reason why it wouldn't have.

741
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.719
<v Speaker 2>It raised its snoun and I mean, this thing's dark,

742
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 2>so it's either dark brown or it's black one or

743
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the other. It's it's dark. It's very dark furred, so

744
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 2>it could have raised its head and not done anything else.

745
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>But the moon was coming out just a little bit.

746
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a full moon. It was like I think,

747
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 2>a waning cresset, I think, but we had moonlight, and

748
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>it raised steps so we could see its teeth, and

749
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 2>it opened its mouth and curled its lips back, not

750
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 2>like it was smiling, but just as if it was

751
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 2>showing off what it had, you know. Which that's what

752
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>finally got Ali to freak out, was the gravity of it.

753
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>And she went and made a sound. And I can't

754
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>tell you how fast I shimmied behind her and grabs

755
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>her and put my hand over her mouth because I

756
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to give it any reason to think that

757
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>punching its way through that window or ripping that car

758
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>door off was a good idea. I didn't want it

759
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>to think that. I wanted it to either be bored

760
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and leave, or for it to give me a way

761
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to use the axe I cut the wood with that

762
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 2>was in the floorboards. At least one good swing. That's

763
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 2>all I could think of. If I could just get

764
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>one swing, even if it were to pull me out

765
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of this car, at least, at least then I could

766
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe she could get out of here, Because all I

767
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>could think about again was you know, I got to

768
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>get her out of here. I got to get her

769
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>out of here. This is my fault. I brought this thing.

770
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>This is my fault. It would been years, years and

771
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>years and years and years since anything had happened, even

772
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>before I spoke with you, and I just couldn't help

773
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 2>but blame myself. It was my fault. I did this.

774
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>This was me, all me. Now. She was in danger

775
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>because of me, and that I remember we talked about

776
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>it and the last time I was here, But that

777
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 2>anger that I felt the first time it was so

778
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>much more palpable now because I went from being scared

779
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to being just furious. You know, I had given up everything,

780
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd walked away, I had left, I'd started a new

781
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 2>life for myself. I was happy, and this thing from

782
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>my nightmare is, this thing from my memories decided it

783
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>was going to come crawling back to life and just

784
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>refuse to let itself die. It just wouldn't stay away

785
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>from me, and I was, you know, to the point

786
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>where it was like, if you want me, just come

787
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.559
<v Speaker 2>get me then, Like, if that's how we want to

788
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>play this game, just do it already. What are you

789
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.280
<v Speaker 2>waiting for? What's the purpose? Why are you just standing

790
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 2>there outside the car? Do something? Which is really dumb

791
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 2>of me to say, like again, I'm not thinking. I know,

792
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't thinking. I wasn't wasn't using any of the

793
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 2>brains that I have. I was just angry. And you know,

794
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>whether I was justified or not, it was still really

795
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>dumb on my part because if she hadn't been there,

796
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I may have done something really stupid like go to

797
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, get out and just say, well, let's just

798
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 2>do it then. If that's what you want, you destroyed

799
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.280
<v Speaker 2>everything once, let's just get it over with and you

800
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>can destroy the rest of it, because I was just

801
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.679
<v Speaker 2>that mad. And I remember this was the only time

802
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>because Ali and I had this really weird thing where

803
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really have to worry about her, so I

804
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>typically didn't get in that position of you know, you're

805
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 2>going to listen to me, and you know she's trying

806
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to protest my hands on her mouth, like you're going

807
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to listen to me, and you're not going to make

808
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>a sound. We're not going to make. This is as

809
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.599
<v Speaker 2>much sound as we're going to make. I'm whispering to

810
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 2>her now. So we're going to let this thing circle

811
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 2>around the car, and we're just going to keep her

812
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 2>eyes on it as best we can. You have your

813
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>dad's you have your dad's gun in the glove box.

814
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.119
<v Speaker 2>You're smaller than me. You're going to get up the

815
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>front seat, and you're going to get it just in case, right,

816
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 2>just in just in case. You're not going to do

817
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 2>anything with it. We're not going to do anything. But

818
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 2>it's smart enough where it will know what we're doing.

819
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to grab that axe and if something happens,

820
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens, no matter what it does, get

821
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the keys, get in the driver's seat and get ready,

822
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 2>no matter what it does. Is exactly what I told her,

823
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 2>no matter what it does, because she's starting to panic,

824
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and I can see the changes and the cogs in

825
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 2>her mind trying to process what she's saying, which is

826
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>the same thing I know that I probably did as

827
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 2>a child. Where the cogs are trying, you're trying to

828
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 2>make sense of what you're seeing. You're trying to rationalize it, like,

829
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's actually real. It's not something that

830
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 2>people talk about online. For clout, it's not that. This

831
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>is a living, breathing thing. And as we're doing this,

832
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 2>as we're having this, we're I'm pulling her with me

833
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>as I'm rotating with this thing as it passes by

834
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the back window. This thing is huge. It's bigger. It

835
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>has to be bigger than the one that I before.

836
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>It's arms were longer, and you can see them, just

837
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>barely through the dim light of the fire and the moon.

838
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 2>You can see it's muscles flexing. This thing could could

839
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 2>punch me in half, like it would juice me. There'd

840
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>be nothing left it just it goes straight through me

841
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>like butter, like a hot knife, your butter. I already

842
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 2>know there's nothing I can do to stop it, but

843
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 2>my head's my head. My head canon at the time

844
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>was I could slow it down. At the very least,

845
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I could do something to slow it down, and maybe

846
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I can make it think twice, making if it you know,

847
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>if I can make it bleed, that's all I care

848
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 2>about at this stage, if it comes in this car,

849
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 2>because I'm not going to let you have her kind

850
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of thing. I just won't let you do it. And

851
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>so I had that grounding me and keeping me focused

852
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 2>despite how angry I was, how out of control it was.

853
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 2>My head started hurting again like it did back when

854
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, you know. I started getting those

855
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 2>weird moments of just flashes of red like I'm it's

856
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 2>it's all happening again. I'm trying to keep myself grounded

857
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 2>for her because I don't want and I don't want

858
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>her to see me pop off like that. I'm not

859
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 2>that guy. I don't want to be that guy. I

860
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be that right. So there's the fear

861
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of if, if this thing does, if this goes south

862
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>and everything, the last thing she'll probably see of me

863
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>because I'm gonna go jumping on jumping on the scene.

864
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>If he tries to come through the car, I'm gonna

865
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 2>jump on it and try to get away from her.

866
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh and it's probably gonna pull me out and and

867
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be it. The last thing she's gonna see

868
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 2>me is me going absolutely ballistic on this thing for

869
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the three seconds I'm gonna have. And you know, there's

870
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a part of my mind that thinks it's pretty

871
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>funny the idea that this thing is sticking head in

872
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the car after breaking through the window and it just

873
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>get bit it get bit back. You know that i'd

874
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 2>bite him back, Like how does that feel like when

875
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you bite your dog when it's when it's being bad

876
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and you bite him back and the dog just kind

877
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Speaker 2>of looks at you. There's a part of me that

878
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 2>wants to have that humor in there, to think that

879
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 2>we'd have a moment there before it decided to eat

880
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 2>me or finish me off, that it would be like,

881
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 2>did you just really have the audacity to bite me back?

882
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 2>But that's just me trying to make I don't know,

883
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I'm laughing. I don't know, I

884
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I it's just it's just the only way I have

885
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the kind of cope with it a little bit because

886
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But this thing circled on the car,

887
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and it just kept circling around it, and it would

888
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 2>slow down whenever there was a larger windows, as if saying, yeah,

889
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I could get you here, or I could get you here.

890
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:16.119
<v Speaker 2>And it come back to the side, and every now

891
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and then it would dut its head down to look

892
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 2>at us again, and you know, it would give her

893
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a glance, but it would focus in on me. It

894
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 2>would look at me, and that's what I wanted it

895
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to do, so I was thankful that it was. It was,

896
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, in my head, I'm telling you, yeah, look

897
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 2>at me, look at me, don't look at her, look

898
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>at me. And then it leaned up against the car

899
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 2>and it pushed it a little bit to the side.

900
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Now when I say pushed a little the side, we

901
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 2>felt the car move a little bit. It didn't try

902
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to do anything, but I think it was. I think

903
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it was trying to show us what it could do,

904
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>right like, oh, look, with you in this thing, I

905
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.039
<v Speaker 2>can move it, So what are you going to do?

906
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>This whole thing was just it squaring up, I'm pretty sure.

907
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And then it just kind of left whether it got bored.

908
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm at this point, I have the axe

909
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 2>in my hands, and I'm making sure it can see it.

910
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. I wanted to know that I have something

911
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I want it to know just like it. I know

912
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 2>it has teeth and claws, and it's stronger than me,

913
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and bigger than me, and faster than me, and heck,

914
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it might even be smarter than me. At this point,

915
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You know, there were a few times

916
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>where it gave the handles a test, you know, and

917
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 2>so I knew it knew what handles were, It was

918
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 2>aware of how to open a cardor so, you know,

919
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I knew it fully knew how to get to us

920
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>if it wanted to. But I wanted to make sure

921
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>that it was very much aware that I had every

922
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>intention on swinging this thing with every bit of the

923
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>strength my body had. It'd be the last thing i'd do,

924
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>but at least i'd go down. I'd give it, and

925
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>hopefully i'd give it something to think about, you know,

926
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>hopefully there'd be there'd be a little bit of me

927
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 2>that it would remember for the rest of its life,

928
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'd pay it back. Right That's the only something

929
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 2>anything again, just anything to get her out of here,

930
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>because that's all I really cared about at the time,

931
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 2>which if you've ever been been you know someone in

932
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 2>there where your loved ones in danger, kid, spouse, you

933
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>name it. A lot of times that's the only thing

934
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you could think of like that, that's it. You can

935
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 2>only think of their well being, their safety, of course

936
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 2>if you love them right, Like everybody's got their own experiences,

937
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to say that how people have

938
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 2>feeling all that, but you know what I mean, like that,

939
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that's really the only thing you have in those moments,

940
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and it can either be a really grounding situation for

941
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you or it can be the thing that breaks the

942
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 2>camel's back, the last straw sort of thing. But it

943
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 2>eventually left, It turned and left. I guess it got bordered,

944
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe it got what it wanted. But it looked back

945
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 2>at us over its shoulder. And this is as an

946
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>ali starting up the car getting ready to leave. We

947
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>just like everything going. We left. We left everything we

948
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>had put out there, you know, and the half built

949
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 2>tent all that, We left it all out there, and

950
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it just what it looked back at over its shoulder

951
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and just watched us, and you know, it then just

952
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of ducked into the tree line where we couldn't

953
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 2>follow with the car, so probably assuming that Ali was

954
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>going to do something crazy elect try to hit it,

955
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>which is definitely within her m. I think that, between

956
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 2>me and you, Vic, I think that was the smartest

957
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 2>thing it could have done, because I'm pretty sure, yeah,

958
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.960
<v Speaker 2>she probably would have and it would have ended up

959
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>poorly for us, But because she was scared out of

960
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 2>her mind and we drove, we got out of there,

961
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 2>and we drove, and I don't know if it kept

962
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.800
<v Speaker 2>pace with us. I don't know if it followed us.

963
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it needed to. I think the point

964
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>was made. Thinking about it, I don't even think it.

965
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if it was alone. To be

966
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, I don't even know if it was

967
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>by itself. It seemed way too cocky, and it seemed

968
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I think it was a male. Looking back at its behavior,

969
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it very much felt like we encroached on

970
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>its territory. And I'm gonna get into why. I feel

971
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.760
<v Speaker 2>like it felt threatened and it was angry, but it

972
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>was also coming because it knew it didn't need to

973
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 2>actually do anything. It just needed to give a little

974
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 2>bit and it would get a lot out of it,

975
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It knew full well what

976
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>it was capable of, and we knew too. And Ali

977
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:27.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't say anything to me up until we got home.

978
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, she lived away from me, and she

979
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>dropped me off first for once, which was fine. I

980
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't my own not walking back, mainly because I'd have

981
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 2>to pass by a certain stretch with her. So she

982
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>just didn't feel comfortable leaving me there. And I, you know,

983
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I looked at her, I was like, are you okay,

984
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Like I know, it's a silly question, and she just

985
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 2>told me, you know, we'll talk about it later, but

986
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I just need to go home. And so she went home,

987
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>and here for her for two days. Finally a friend

988
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 2>of mine, Chris, took me over there to go go

989
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 2>see her and everything, and he kind of dropped me

990
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 2>off there her done hanging out and kind of getting

991
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>stead of taking care of us. I was helping him

992
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>paint one of the rooms in his house, So I

993
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, here, can you drop me off over he

994
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna knock the door and see if folks

995
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 2>are home, see if she's home, see if I can

996
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>see what's going on, a little bit worried about her.

997
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 2>And when she answered the door, she just looked at

998
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 2>me and she she hadn't looked like she was sleeping. Well,

999
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, su already had insomnia, but this was, you know, different.

1000
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>She looked changed. And she invited me in and we

1001
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.880
<v Speaker 2>sat down and started talking, and you know, she told

1002
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 2>me that, you know, I didn't believe you, and I

1003
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't believe any of it at first. I'm like, well, yeah,

1004
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a rational thing to say. I told her straight up,

1005
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>that's that's probably the most real thing you could ever

1006
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>say about any of this. Like, unless you see it's

1007
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 2>it's good to listen to. You know, it's fun. And

1008
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's people out there who, you know, we've

1009
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>talked about people that enjoy listening, but you know, they

1010
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily believe in it. It's just a cool ghost story.

1011
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>It's that until you see it, you know, until it's

1012
00:50:58.119 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>standing there in front of you and you can see

1013
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it's heartbeat and the blood pumping through its veins and

1014
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>the muscle move and every bit of it designed to

1015
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>take life, that if it wanted to it, it would

1016
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>make it easy that, you know, God forbid. You know

1017
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the stories you hear where people have shot these things

1018
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 2>or have managed to hurt these things, and they just

1019
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 2>walk it off. They don't even care. It doesn't even

1020
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>phase them. You know. It's it's a different it's an

1021
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.639
<v Speaker 2>entirely different league. You know, you and I get hurt, shot, stab,

1022
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, and we go into shock or you know,

1023
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 2>we have our fleeting moments before you know, eventually we

1024
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.679
<v Speaker 2>succumb to our wounds. These things take four or five

1025
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 2>shots me, the whole magazine, and they just walk it off,

1026
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>never be seen again. Whether they die or not, we

1027
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But they don't clearly care, and they're not afraid,

1028
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and they know for a fact they've got us beat.

1029
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's a scary prospect, the fact that

1030
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>they can open doors and all that is so watching

1031
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>her process it, because I already had you to kind

1032
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 2>of help me with that, right like you and I

1033
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 2>had already talked. I we'd already gone through and discussed

1034
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 2>all this with each other and how to handle it,

1035
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>how to approach it, how to digest that content. I

1036
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 2>want content, but that the contents of your brain like

1037
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 2>the thoughts and the rationale behind it and how to

1038
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 2>make it make sense. She didn't have any that. She

1039
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>just had me and I was trying to explain to

1040
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 2>her that, you know, she's not crazy for what she saw,

1041
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:26.639
<v Speaker 2>you know that it's it's fine, and then she just

1042
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>looked at me with that that look, that look of

1043
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's more to it than that, which she

1044
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 2>had done that quite a bit whenever she had had

1045
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.599
<v Speaker 2>something she didn't tell me that she wanted to. We'd

1046
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.119
<v Speaker 2>had that with like friend drama and other stuff where

1047
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>she she'd give me the look first and wait for

1048
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 2>me to be ready to hear about it. And so

1049
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, so you're giving me the look.

1050
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.360
<v Speaker 2>What are you not telling me? What is it that

1051
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know? Ali was into very many things of

1052
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 2>the occult, and she wanted to practice the occult, and

1053
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>she did practice vi occult. Now you and I have

1054
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 2>talked about it a little bit more in detail, and

1055
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm for the sake of I'm not going to go

1056
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>into everything, but you know, she was somebody who was

1057
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 2>interested in for example, for those of you, cannibalism is

1058
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 2>one of them kind of thing, and you know, she

1059
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 2>had a ritual altar she had she was She told

1060
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 2>me that she was a witch, and she showed me

1061
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>all this. I can't express to you the pit in

1062
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 2>my stomach that I felt when she told me that.

1063
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, when we were out there that night, she

1064
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 2>had found some things laying around that looked like little

1065
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 2>little dolls and totems. And you know, we had found

1066
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 2>one kind of laying around at the Renaissance fair. But

1067
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, we thought it was something like one of

1068
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 2>the props, because it looked like one of them too,

1069
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like it looked like one

1070
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>of them. But she told me that these ones were

1071
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 2>much more crude, and she took one, and when she

1072
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>held it up, I you know, I could only back

1073
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>away from it because it looked just like the one

1074
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd seen in my child in my childhood, you know,

1075
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.559
<v Speaker 2>the one was made the bones and like fur and

1076
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.039
<v Speaker 2>some other things. It's it's very very crude and rudimentary.

1077
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 2>But she had taken it, she had taken it from

1078
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.960
<v Speaker 2>from where we were. She she'd gone and touched it,

1079
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:13.400
<v Speaker 2>taken it. She had it in her home, and you know,

1080
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 2>all the anger came back, and we had our disagreement

1081
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>we had our argument where I, you know, I told her,

1082
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, why, you know, why would you do this?

1083
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:22.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, after all the things I told you, why

1084
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>would you do this? You know? Why go through and

1085
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>put yourself here? Why put us here? Why do this

1086
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to us? And that's kind of when she you know,

1087
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>because we'd talked a lot before your friends, and we

1088
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 2>talked a lot about the stuff that she was interested in.

1089
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I kind of expressed, you know, knowledge and understanding of it.

1090
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:44.960
<v Speaker 2>She had listened to my episode and heard where I

1091
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Speaker 2>had said I felt like a magnet, and she thought

1092
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>that that was the very act description I guess, and

1093
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>figured that why not let's test that theory, because she

1094
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 2>she wanted, she wanted to see, She wanted it whatever

1095
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 2>she want wanted it for, whether she thought that it

1096
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 2>would give her some enlightenment or whether it proved something

1097
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>or or I don't I don't know. If I don't know,

1098
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what she wanted. But the fact that

1099
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 2>that sacrificial author had like what it had and all that,

1100
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and there were things there that were wrong about it.

1101
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 2>There are a whole host of things that you know,

1102
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.840
<v Speaker 2>just none of it felt right, none of it. None

1103
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of it seemed right, and she invited. It is how

1104
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel looking at it now as I'm older, as

1105
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I've had time to get away from it, and I mean,

1106
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and she she did. She did threaten me that if

1107
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I ever talked about it, But like we haven't had

1108
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 2>conversation with each other for quite a long time. She's

1109
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 2>well and far removed and gone at this point, probably

1110
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even go by the nickname that she was using,

1111
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the one that I'm calling her by now, probably doesn't

1112
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 2>even use that. So I highly doubt that it would

1113
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 2>matter be of much consequence of me sharing it now,

1114
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 2>mainly because there's no reason for us to interact any

1115
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Anything that did exist was gone after that day when

1116
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 2>we you know, neevitably broke apart, and it was a

1117
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>rough It was a rough breakup and everything like that,

1118
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>even still because it sucked because you know, you go

1119
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 2>sixth state on having somebody there all the time and

1120
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.440
<v Speaker 2>they're not being there anymore. But you know, she she

1121
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.679
<v Speaker 2>got what she wanted. She'll she'll be known for her activities,

1122
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess now to whatever degree you know, that's up

1123
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 2>to everybody else. I'm not going to go into the

1124
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>details or express what kind of human beings. She was

1125
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 2>leave that for everybody here to kind of come through.

1126
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.000
<v Speaker 2>But I was used for whatever purpose, which I believe

1127
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 2>was that, and she got what she wanted. Uh, and

1128
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I got another memory of these things. I guess on

1129
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 2>a story to tell around the campfire. We're here with

1130
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 2>you to helpfully encourage other people who I mean, if

1131
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I've seen one here in Texas, I'm sure other people

1132
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>have too down this far. And like I said in

1133
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the very first video, I mean, if you're scared to

1134
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 2>share it, there's no safer person or place to do

1135
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.079
<v Speaker 2>it than here with it. There's nobody that understands more

1136
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 2>than Vic does. I think in terms of kind of

1137
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 2>care he offers, the kind of advice he gives, the

1138
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 2>way that he conducts this and everything that goes into it,

1139
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and the amount of documentation and records. I mean, there

1140
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.119
<v Speaker 2>are hundreds of people have come and given their testimony.

1141
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Don't sit on it, don't give it strength by burying it,

1142
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 2>because these things, that's what they thrive on. And the

1143
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 2>more they can get to you, the more they'll come.

1144
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know whether or not she continued on her

1145
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 2>path and did what she did and found more or

1146
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>if it found her. I don't know, but I haven't

1147
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.199
<v Speaker 2>since her and I parted, ways haven't really had any

1148
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.039
<v Speaker 2>major in cares. There were a few weird moments, like

1149
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I told you, I'm still looking for some of the

1150
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I have, Like if I can find that

1151
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 2>silly picture that's somewhere, I don't know if it's in

1152
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 2>my old phone, I might have to go try and

1153
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 2>get somebody to like go into it because it doesn't

1154
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>work like it used to. But I haven't able to

1155
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.559
<v Speaker 2>find it yet. But there were you know, footprints outside

1156
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.719
<v Speaker 2>my window where someone looked like I've been standing there

1157
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 2>very heavy, fairly large. There's been banging and thumping. There's

1158
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 2>been a couple of times where the neighborhood dogs have

1159
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 2>freaked out together like they have freaked out, and my

1160
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.400
<v Speaker 2>neighbor's dog has freaked out too. And these aren't like

1161
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, let me inside, like I told you, kind

1162
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>of barks and saying yell. These are I'm angry or

1163
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>something's here and I don't want it here, get away.

1164
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I'm sure given the wilderness that is

1165
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 2>around where I live, and you know the vast areas

1166
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that in Texas where there just isn't anything there. There's

1167
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>plenty of territory, there's plenty of spaces for these things

1168
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>to hide. I mean they hide even in suburban areas.

1169
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 2>And like, I'm pretty sure I remember if I heard

1170
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 2>a story here, if I was listening to it, because

1171
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to it on one of my lunches.

1172
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:06.960
<v Speaker 2>But I think there was one that was like in

1173
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a like not a city, but a small town, like

1174
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 2>a fairly small town, but it was populated enough to

1175
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 2>where it could be I guess considered a fledgling city

1176
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 2>or one coming up to it, right, And this thing

1177
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like lived on the outskirts, just outside.

1178
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they know where to live, they know how

1179
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to hide, they know how to stay away from us

1180
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 2>and everything like that. I don't remember it was here.

1181
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.400
<v Speaker 2>If it was another channel that i'd watched with Chris,

1182
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 2>but he'd have me listen to it. I'd have to

1183
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 2>go see if I can get him to give me

1184
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:37.480
<v Speaker 2>that later, and maybe I can sendient link so you

1185
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>can give him a shout out. I don't know, it

1186
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 2>might be. I'm pretty sure it's here. I'm pretty sure

1187
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.679
<v Speaker 2>it's one of yours, But I'm not sure. These things

1188
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>can be anywhere, and I don't want people suffering because

1189
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.239
<v Speaker 2>they're scared to share their experiences. You're going to feel

1190
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 2>crazy while you're talking about it. I feel crazy right now,

1191
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 2>and I've done. And this is the second time I've

1192
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>been here with VIC, and I still feel that way.

1193
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know it's because these are supposed to be

1194
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 2>movie moms. This is supposed to be stuff you tell

1195
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 2>your kids to keep them in check, to keep them

1196
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 2>in bed when they're supposed to be in bed, and

1197
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:06.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. It's not supposed to be a living,

1198
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:11.000
<v Speaker 2>breathing creature that walks and breathes the same air we do,

1199
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 2>on the same earth we do. It's not supposed to

1200
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 2>be that. It's supposed to be fantasy, and when you

1201
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>see one, it changes your life. So for those of

1202
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you who are out there, if you are like Ali,

1203
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 2>learn from her experience and don't you don't want it.

1204
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.199
<v Speaker 2>It changed her as much for too as she had,

1205
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 2>as much as she thinks she wanted it. I know

1206
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a regret because of the look on her

1207
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>face and the fact that she was never the same

1208
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>after that. Because some of our friends who still used

1209
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.079
<v Speaker 2>to hang out with her for at least a while

1210
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 2>until I kind of dipped out. You know. They told

1211
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.039
<v Speaker 2>me she had never been different since she excuse me,

1212
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.239
<v Speaker 2>she had never been the same since then. She'd been different, quieter, colder.

1213
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:57.960
<v Speaker 2>She just wasn't wasn't the same person. Don't just be

1214
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 2>be thankful that you haven't, enjoy your peace in your life,

1215
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and just be safe. There's no reason to go looking

1216
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 2>for these things, because the more you look for them

1217
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and when you find them, you might be the unlucky

1218
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 2>soul who doesn't get to tell a story. Because I'm

1219
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 2>sure for every story that's told of these things, with

1220
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 2>as many of of them as there are, there are

1221
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:21.199
<v Speaker 2>stories that will never be told because the person who

1222
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 2>experienced them is not here because they didn't get the

1223
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to stare at you, they got your food.

1224
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it. It's like with any wild animal. Please,

1225
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 2>if if anything from this video you listen to, Please God,

1226
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 2>listen to that. Don't don't do it. Just it's not

1227
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:45.039
<v Speaker 2>worth it. There's no reason to do it. You don't

1228
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:48.800
<v Speaker 2>need that be here for those of those who have

1229
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:52.159
<v Speaker 2>suffered through living with this creature and having it haunt

1230
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.239
<v Speaker 2>their lives and bother them. Do that that's how you

1231
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 2>can make your difference. That's how you can make your

1232
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:00.440
<v Speaker 2>your stance. That's how you can stand there. But don't

1233
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.400
<v Speaker 2>try to find it to prove a point. You know,

1234
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 2>if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe

1235
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:07.960
<v Speaker 2>in it. That's fine. I'd rather you not believe and

1236
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 2>live your life completely free of it and have a long,

1237
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 2>prosperous life with you know, lots of kids and all

1238
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the money you could stand to have, and every good

1239
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.039
<v Speaker 2>thing that could possibly happen to you, you know, living

1240
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:23.280
<v Speaker 2>be ripe and old and everything else. Then have one

1241
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.679
<v Speaker 2>of these things come crashing into your life, because usually

1242
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 2>they don't leave, and when they show up, other things

1243
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 2>tend to to. There are plenty of stories of people

1244
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 2>who have experienced one and the thing and then they

1245
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 2>run into another one. And there's some terrifying accounts, you know,

1246
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 2>just on Dick's channel alone, where you know they they're

1247
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 2>not just you know, for lack of a better term, giant,

1248
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, internet trolls that live out in the forest

1249
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 2>and try to bait your feelings. There's plenty of stories

1250
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 2>about them, you know, hurting people and doing things to

1251
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 2>hurt people and putting people in the bad position. So

1252
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.760
<v Speaker 2>just be safe out there. You know, don't don't ever

1253
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 2>go camping without a firearm, don't ever go camping without

1254
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 2>tools to survive. Don't do any of that. And if

1255
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 2>there's places where people say they are, just don't go

1256
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.639
<v Speaker 2>there or try not to, you know, don't live your

1257
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:18.760
<v Speaker 2>life in fear, as Vic says. But like at the

1258
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.159
<v Speaker 2>same time, don't be like, hey, yeah, I know there's

1259
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.480
<v Speaker 2>dogmen in these woods over here because someone you know,

1260
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 2>told a story and they when they were a kid,

1261
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and these things are out there. Just don't do it.

1262
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:32.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a bear it, you know, it's not

1263
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.039
<v Speaker 2>like you know, normal animals where there are things you

1264
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 2>can do to deter them. These things do not care.

1265
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:39.800
<v Speaker 2>The case in point with this one that was messing

1266
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.360
<v Speaker 2>with the car when we were in it. At any point,

1267
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:44.559
<v Speaker 2>if it really wanted to, it could have it could

1268
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.360
<v Speaker 2>have done it. I know it could have done it.

1269
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, you just feeling it moved the car, you

1270
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.440
<v Speaker 2>knew it could have done it. At the very at

1271
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the very least, it would have been able to flip

1272
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the car over, probably before we could react. So, you know,

1273
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I think God every day that it didn't, you know.

1274
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I thank God every day that I'm all right. But

1275
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm still here that I'm here talking with Vic, and

1276
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling my story. I don't go there anymore. I

1277
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even drive down that road no more. I don't

1278
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere near that road.

1279
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 4>I'd rather take the commute through the frontage or the

1280
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.440
<v Speaker 4>freeway or the highway, and it is dealing with road

1281
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.719
<v Speaker 4>rage and slow times, then take a quicker route and

1282
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.400
<v Speaker 4>have the risk of that thing coming out of the

1283
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.239
<v Speaker 4>tree line trying to shoulder check my car.

1284
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's about it. It's not as there's not as much.

1285
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.159
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot there, but I don't think this as

1286
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>much as the last time. But I'm sorry I waited

1287
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 2>so long to reach out Vic, and I'm sorry guys

1288
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 2>that have been gone for so long, and for those

1289
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.639
<v Speaker 2>again I've left behind because of this stuff to try

1290
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and distance myself all these years. I'm sorry. I'm just

1291
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to run. You know that I have my own

1292
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:53.679
<v Speaker 2>slice of happiness, you know.

1293
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, don't apologize for any of that. I mean, when

1294
01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:59.880
<v Speaker 3>you reached out to me, it was the right time,

1295
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.599
<v Speaker 3>because that was the time you determined that it was

1296
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.360
<v Speaker 3>the right time to contact me. So now I'm just

1297
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 3>glad that you brought me up to speed. Having said that,

1298
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:11.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry to hear that you have these new experiences,

1299
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.519
<v Speaker 3>especially the one that happened that night in the car.

1300
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.679
<v Speaker 3>There is one thing I do want to touch on, though,

1301
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.559
<v Speaker 3>that you said. Everything that you said I totally agree

1302
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:25.400
<v Speaker 3>with except one thing, and that is there being tons

1303
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:29.199
<v Speaker 3>of credible, at least credible stories out there about these

1304
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:33.280
<v Speaker 3>guys harming people. Now, I've said this who knows many

1305
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 3>times on the show. I'll never tell anyone that dog

1306
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.199
<v Speaker 3>men are safe to be around. The best dog man

1307
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 3>encounter to have is the one that never happens in

1308
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 3>the first place. Because, yeah, I do believe that that

1309
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.440
<v Speaker 3>these guys, given the right circumstances, will hurt people. But

1310
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:53.480
<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, I think it's been clearly demonstrated

1311
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.480
<v Speaker 3>over the years that as a whole, these guys are

1312
01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 3>not wired by nature to just look for an opportunity

1313
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 3>to rip a person apart. But yeah, I do believe

1314
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 3>there are deviant dog men out there that are dangerous

1315
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:10.119
<v Speaker 3>and if it get the opportunity, they will hurt and

1316
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 3>kill people. But I think those deviant dog men are very,

1317
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:17.159
<v Speaker 3>very few and far between. I've gone over this before.

1318
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Why do I come to that conclusion? Why have I

1319
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.599
<v Speaker 3>come to that conclusion? Because I've literally spoken with thousands

1320
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.360
<v Speaker 3>upon thousands of people who were in the perfect place

1321
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.239
<v Speaker 3>for a dog man. They had encountered to do that too,

1322
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 3>but like you, they were allowed to leave without a scratch.

1323
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Does that mean that it never happens where dog men

1324
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.800
<v Speaker 3>harm people, where dog men kill people. Absolutely not. I

1325
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.599
<v Speaker 3>fully believe that happens. I fully believe that they do

1326
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 3>harm people. I'd fully believe that sometimes they kill people.

1327
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 3>But my whole point, like I've said all along, is

1328
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.800
<v Speaker 3>they are not They're clearly not wired by nature to

1329
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.760
<v Speaker 3>be that way. The ones that happen to do that

1330
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:03.599
<v Speaker 3>are just devo examples. So yeah, like I said, I

1331
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 3>agree totally with everything that you said, except that one

1332
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 3>idea that you put out there that, yeah, maybe you

1333
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 3>were trying to say that it's a fairly common thing

1334
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:17.039
<v Speaker 3>for that to happen. I don't want to put words

1335
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.639
<v Speaker 3>into your mouth, but my whole thing is, in case

1336
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:21.840
<v Speaker 3>you were saying that, I wanted to make sure that

1337
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.199
<v Speaker 3>you understood that I definitely don't agree with that.

1338
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.800
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't they're like any wild animal right this

1339
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.679
<v Speaker 2>way I look at them now, I don't hate them

1340
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 2>like I used to. I'm still a little angry, but

1341
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, hey, it wouldn't be but you know,

1342
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 2>we came into its house and she took something from it,

1343
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 2>so I'm coming to my house. It's still something from me.

1344
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.119
<v Speaker 2>They're going to get the worst of me too. And

1345
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.400
<v Speaker 2>if that's the worst of that particular dog man, then

1346
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.199
<v Speaker 2>I count myself blessed that it wasn't, you know, any

1347
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.519
<v Speaker 2>angrier than it needed to be. Right. I don't want

1348
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 2>to make it sound and I apologize that probably it

1349
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.440
<v Speaker 2>probably may it sound like something that is not I don't.

1350
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there's plenty of accounts of these things

1351
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 2>right just existing in general. What I'm saying is that,

1352
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, pushing them, going into their homes, taking their stuff,

1353
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:16.000
<v Speaker 2>messing with them, poking, prodding, just being kind of a

1354
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.520
<v Speaker 2>disturber of their piece, that could make you the one

1355
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that gets gets the deviant. Right. That's because you never know,

1356
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you can only take so much. I mean, same with

1357
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 2>any other wild animal like bears, wolves, you know, mountain lions.

1358
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:31.800
<v Speaker 2>If you come into their space and you do things

1359
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:36.079
<v Speaker 2>specifically disrupt their lives, and you're doing things that are

1360
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:39.920
<v Speaker 2>going to set them off. Yeah, you're probably gonna get

1361
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:42.239
<v Speaker 2>it worse than somebody who's just minding your own business

1362
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 2>and is getting a passing. Oh, I'm kind of interested

1363
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:48.000
<v Speaker 2>in this person behavior, right, And it is clear that

1364
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.920
<v Speaker 2>they fixate you know, plenty of the stories that you hear,

1365
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, and even my experiences of kind of they

1366
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.600
<v Speaker 2>have to fixate on people for whatever reason. I don't

1367
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.880
<v Speaker 2>know what kind of weird, wacky logic they have, but

1368
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not meant to understand, but I can

1369
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:07.039
<v Speaker 2>respect them as a part of nature and that they

1370
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 2>have their place and I have mine. Like I said

1371
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:14.800
<v Speaker 2>in the men, I don't blame them. I don't even

1372
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:16.680
<v Speaker 2>blame myself for this one. This was this is one

1373
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:18.199
<v Speaker 2>of those things that there was somebody in between us

1374
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that kind of pit us on this path. I feel

1375
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:26.359
<v Speaker 2>like this collision course, and you know, I can't be

1376
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.840
<v Speaker 2>angry with it when it, for at least for my understanding,

1377
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:35.399
<v Speaker 2>was defending its territory because any animal would act the

1378
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:40.439
<v Speaker 2>same way. I guess. I guess I'm just saying, don't

1379
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:44.039
<v Speaker 2>do as she did, because you never know, like we're

1380
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 2>all people. We all have different things to set us off,

1381
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, differences is we don't have that kind of

1382
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:55.960
<v Speaker 2>faral side to us like that, and animals they will

1383
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:59.000
<v Speaker 2>react accordingly. So I don't know. I'm just grateful that

1384
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.640
<v Speaker 2>it didn't decide that, you know, she had crossed a

1385
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.960
<v Speaker 2>line that could not be uncrossed. I think scaring the

1386
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 2>actual scaring her half to death is probably all it

1387
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:13.279
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do. And I'll be honest, if she went

1388
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and since she went out there and messed with it stuff,

1389
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm fairly certain it watched her do it the entire time.

1390
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm fairly confident because I didn't leave where we were

1391
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:24.359
<v Speaker 2>very much. You know, of course, you go to the

1392
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.319
<v Speaker 2>bathroom back when you're getting ready to do a bathroom thing,

1393
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.600
<v Speaker 2>when you're getting ready to go to the and do camping, right,

1394
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.960
<v Speaker 2>which you know it happens. But I didn't leave our

1395
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.399
<v Speaker 2>little area that we had designated. I didn't kind of

1396
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.560
<v Speaker 2>go trapsing off that far. She wasn't far enough for

1397
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.359
<v Speaker 2>where I couldn't hear her, but I couldn't see if

1398
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:42.600
<v Speaker 2>anything was watching her while she was filling with its stuff.

1399
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really want to go test fate, you know,

1400
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and run into something weird like that.

1401
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 3>But that's what I was saying, VICI, I see, thanks

1402
01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:53.359
<v Speaker 3>for clearing that up.

1403
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Well.

1404
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Having said that, Bryce, it's about time for us to

1405
01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:59.439
<v Speaker 3>call it before we do. I just want to thank

1406
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.600
<v Speaker 3>you so much for coming on. And I wanted to

1407
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 3>see if he had any closing comments you want to

1408
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:05.319
<v Speaker 3>put out there for us. It sounds like you've already

1409
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 3>done a really good job with the closing comments. But

1410
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.399
<v Speaker 3>if there's anything else, please tell us.

1411
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Guys. Like I said earlier, just you know, VI's the same.

1412
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 2>He does this, I don't, you know, for us, like

1413
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 2>he can help. I said it my first time I

1414
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 2>was here and talking with him again. He managed to

1415
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.520
<v Speaker 2>get me to feel at ease. He gave me some

1416
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.319
<v Speaker 2>good advice. He's a good man, and he can take

1417
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:33.680
<v Speaker 2>care of whatever it is that's ailing you, whatever demons

1418
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 2>these things have put in your head. So if you

1419
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:39.159
<v Speaker 2>have experiences. This is the only reason I stepped forward

1420
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.439
<v Speaker 2>is because I didn't want anybody who's here in Texas

1421
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:43.920
<v Speaker 2>or further down south, who you know, feel like maybe

1422
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't be seeing things because most of these, at

1423
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 2>least from what I've always remembered happened further north. Don't

1424
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:52.319
<v Speaker 2>just sit on it. You know that can help you.

1425
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>He can at least help you get these out of

1426
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:55.680
<v Speaker 2>your heads, that we can live your life and be

1427
01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:00.319
<v Speaker 2>free of it. And we need each other when you

1428
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.760
<v Speaker 2>see these things. It comes down to nobody's got understand

1429
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.720
<v Speaker 2>the kind of shenanigans and pain that you're going through,

1430
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 2>or the thought process you know, from feeling you're crazy

1431
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:12.560
<v Speaker 2>or there's something wrong with you, whatever it is. Whatever

1432
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it is, I don't think any of us would anybody,

1433
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.720
<v Speaker 2>but somebody who's seen it would understand that better outside

1434
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.319
<v Speaker 2>of maybe Vic. And that's just because he's been with

1435
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 2>it for so long and done this for so long.

1436
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm very thankful that I managed to run into him,

1437
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and I'm very thankful that I managed to be given

1438
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the privilege of being here to share my stories with

1439
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:34.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys, and to have Vic help me in the

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<v Speaker 2>ways he has. I wouldn't be where I am today

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<v Speaker 2>in my life without him, be honest with you, I'd

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01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:42.960
<v Speaker 2>still be pulling jump change, working ranky dingk jobs. He

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that gave me the hope for better

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<v Speaker 2>and that I shouldn't let my experiences make me duck

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<v Speaker 2>my head and hide. And I've tried to live up

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01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to the you know, the words that he gave me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tell myself them every day when I need them.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you need somebody, he's here, please let him

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<v Speaker 2>help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks so much for the glowing words. That's awfully

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<v Speaker 3>kind of you. But yeah, you give me way too

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<v Speaker 3>much credit, you really do. I just try to help

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<v Speaker 3>that witnesses the best I can come to terms with

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<v Speaker 3>their encounters, and yeah, that's all that I do. But

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<v Speaker 3>thanks again so much, and have a great night.