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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Five years ago. On

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April twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Tonight's guest was featured

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on episode three oh one, and that episode was titled

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dog Me and Horror Show. Well, since that episode aired,

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there have been new developments and because of that, he's

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agreed to come back on and update all of us

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about what's been going on. Having said all that, Bryce Gardner,

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thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Vick, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Well, that goes two ways. I'm glad to hear from you,

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or I say I was glad to hear from you

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when you reached out to me recently to update me.

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But I'm so sorry that you've had all these new experiences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too. You think you get away from

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things and they somehow managecreet back in. But it wasn't

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through any fault of mine, and I don't think it

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was from any fault of theirs either, to be honest,

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But I'm sure we'll get into that soon.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we definitely will. Well before we do

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get to things like that. For anyone who missed that episode,

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and I guess for people who did catch that episode,

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it's been five years, please give us a bio on

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yourself again.

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Speaker 2: My name is Bryce Gardner. As you've said, well, I'm

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thirty one now. Because it's been five years, I'm thirty

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one now. I am currently in a much better state

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of employment. I can't share anything ause of NDAs and

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stuff like that, but trust assured everybody, I'm doing fine

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currently in the Gulf Coast of Texas. Now. We moved

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I believe it was a little bit after our interview,

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which was something that we were planning on doing as

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a family, because you know, Dad's job kind of gave out,

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uh and they basically toldly moved down here, and so

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we came with them, and you know, because of world events,

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we got stuck. And it's kind of just been that

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way ever since. There's I mean, there's not a whole

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lot to say outside of I've gotten back into physical

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training and stuff like that to get my body all

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back up and rights and everything after years of kind

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of neglecting that, so I'm doing good on that front.

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I'm healthy, I'm as happy as I suppose one could be.

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I don't know really what else to say. I'm sorry,

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I'm not quite good at talking about myself.

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Speaker 3: Oh come on, now, you did a good job of

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summing everything up. And yeah, like I told you the

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first time we spoke, I'm proud of you. Sounds to

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me like you're doing a really good job of getting

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your life just the way you wanted to be. You've

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made some really good improvements. You really have a right

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thank you, Vic.

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Speaker 2: It means a lot to me, especially coming from you,

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because a lot of your advice is what kind of

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got me to some of the places I ended up

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being the good, the good places, the good, the good places.

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Of course, none of the shenanigans that was that one

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was all me.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for clarifying that it was only the good places.

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You had me starting to worry there.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, if I listened to your advice, I don't think

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I would end up what I was with when it

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all happened. So uh, that was just kind of a

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blind side moment, pretty face, nice smile kind of thing.

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Gets y'all messed up and your innobitions kind of go

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away sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: That's a me thing. Not taking control, as I believe

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was the advice you gave me and making sure that

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you're always aware of what's going on. So I should

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have kept my little VIC that lives in the back

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of my mind somewhere and reminds me occasionally of things

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that we talked about last time and this time too,

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life advice that you gave me that has helped quite

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quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: You've got a little VIC in the back of your head.

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That's a scary thought.

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Speaker 2: But he's lived back there. He just occasionally comes out

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reminds me of the things we talked about, like, hey,

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you know, you got to do this, this and this

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and then things will get better kind of thing. He

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was there and very active when this was going on,

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because you know, when you run into these things, there's

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nothing more terrifying than seeing one. And you know, it's

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like with any animal that's dangerous and can harm you,

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and there's not a whole lot between you and them.

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That's say, it's a very terrifying experience. If I kind

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of spoke with you beforehand and I had to just

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muscled it through it and you know, swallowed it like

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I did. I don't think I would have handled it

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the way I did. I don't think things would have

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gone as well as they did all things considered, well,

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it goes.

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Speaker 3: Without saying I'm so sorry to hear you had to

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have these new experiences, but I guess there is a

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ray of sunshine in that you handled you in a

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very good way, or at least as well as could

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be hoped, So thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if I handle it as good once I

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go into Like we didn't discuss it at length before,

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and it's primarily just me not wanting to have it

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relived it. But I did all right, but I still

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think I could have done better. It's one of those

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things that's always in hindsight when you look at these experiences,

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but in the moment of adrenaline, there's not a whole

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lot you can really do to kind of steer that

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particular ship.

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Speaker 3: Well. I can appreciate your feelings on that, but you

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could handle any situation better. I just think you deserve

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a lot of credit for handling the situations as well

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as you did. From what you shared with me about

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what's happened. But before we get to that, just a

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moment ago, you mentioned a pretty face and a nice smile.

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Before I have you bring everyone up to speed on

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what you talked about in episode three oh one, please

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go into more detail about that pretty face and nice

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smile that cause some unfortunate things to happen without revealing

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any details of the new encounters that is.

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course. So I'm for everybody. I'm sure that

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everybody understands the saying. But I met a girl at

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the time, she was very beautiful. I mean, she is

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very beautiful. I should say, uh, we don't speak anymore

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because of the events that happened. But she was not

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who I thought she was. She had become enamored, well,

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she was enamored with the paranormal and like cryptids and

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everything else from the start, which I didn't think was

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a big deal. But tons of people are. And I

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always refer people to VIC Channel just because you know,

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if people have experiences and stuff like that, or know

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somebody you know, giving getting them the help is kind

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of what matters. It's kind of like you have a

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I have I have a buddy who claims, for example,

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that he's had a big foot encounter, so referring him

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to you know, like the big foot encounters and stuff

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like that, it's just a place for them to go

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get it off their chest because holding on to it.

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As I've learned, and as victored with me last time

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we heard, it's not healthy and it can cause a

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lot of problems, especially if it's really traumatic. It's really bad.

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They're not easy to talk about. I don't normally stammer

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or catch myself like this because even now it's it's

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a lot to process, even even with the knowledge I

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have now and where I am in life now, it's difficult.

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And she was enamored with it. My mistake was introducing

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her to VIC show, not because Vic's bad or anything

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like that or it shows bad, but because she she

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listened to my episode, listened to other people's episodes, and she,

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for a lack of a term, decided she wanted one.

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She wanted one of her own. It's the I saw

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something cool and I wanted to and she went over

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and beyond to get it. And this is one of

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these situations that you play silly games to win silly prizes,

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and unfortunately I happened to be there when the prize

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was won, and I mean webet about six between six

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to eight months. I haven't dated since, just life hasn't

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allowed for it, And be honest with you, I'm not

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really looking. I don't really think I'm particularly cut out

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for it kind of thing. But that's a side note,

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not really that important. But she's kind of the catalyst

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behind all of this. She is the I don't want

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to lay blame at her feet because I don't think

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she realized the gravity of it at the time. I

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don't think she realized what she was doing, and even

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if she maybe thought she did, I don't think she

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realized how bad it was going to get. It's kind

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of like one of those situations where you antagonize an

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animal enough, even if it is an intelligent animal, it's

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going to lose its patience. And I'm kind of confident

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that's what happened. Granted, I don't know how long everything

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had been going on, right, I don't, And there's a

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lot of things I still don't know, and I don't

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think I ever will know, and I don't know if

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I want to know. But she's the She's the kind

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of girl where she saw a spooky doll that looked

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like it crawled right out of Annabel and dumped and

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jumped into the dumpster. Go get it and haul it

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out despite my protest woah, because I didn't want the

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thing in the car because it was terrifying. So she's

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that kind of She's that kind of girl. She's crazy rowdy.

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It was fun while it lasted. We had a brilliant

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thing that burned out quickly, as most bright and brilliant

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flames do, you know, But that's I best the sum

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Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness it did burn out. At the time,

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it might have been frustrating, but everything you told me

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about her, I'm so glad it did. If you've had

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Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, I'll

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tell you what, Bryce, We have a lot to unpack here,

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so first I want you to please give us a

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fly over of all the experiences you told us about

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in episode three oh one to bring us all up

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to speed, and then after you do that, please just

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dive right end updating us on what happens since.

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Speaker 2: So in three oh one we discussed when I was

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a kid, I saw one when we went up to

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the Native American reservation. We ran to some where, well,

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we ran into the signs of one and my teacher's

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dog was freaking out and the bus on the way home.

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We were like in fourth grade. We went up there

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to do a project. We went up there to learn,

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you know, about their culture and everything like that, which

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is really cool experience. I would never trade for anything.

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I still loved the little mask I made too, which

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is goofy looking, but you know, you sunfire seeds for

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teeth kind of thing, because you had to use what

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you had. But it was her project. It was cool,

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cool stuff. I would never trade it. And then at

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that point we spoke about the big encounter, which was

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the one we went down to that dilapidated house that

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was outside of the town we lived in, which is

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air Force. It was, well, it's not there anymore, so

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it's been taken down. As I've as I've heard recently,

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if you're friends that live out in Force Grow, It's

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it's been, it's been taken down. As of now, the

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house does not exist, at least as far as they know.

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I think that they were talking about rebuilding it and

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someone had bought the land. But like two years ago

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I heard that they had finally, you know, gotten rid

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of it completely. There was nothing left of it. But

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we spoke about that, and we spoke about the kind

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of the long term effects and like how it felt

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and everything like that, and a lot of the I

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like nightmares that kind of came along with it, and

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the stigma, not the stigma, the mental blocks that came

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you think you're crazy when you see stuff like this.

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You develop coping mechanisms that may or may not be healthy.

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like any traumatic memory. But I don't know if these

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are related. I say that to everybody audience. If you're

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if you if you're hoping that she makes your return.

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The female dog Man that I ran into I. I

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don't think it was. It could be. I don't know.

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I don't know. Uh, I didn't. I couldn't really tell

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with this one. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.

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I was. There's a lot more I was focused on

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than it. We didn't have that that moment of intimate

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eye locking that me and the first one did where

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I got a good look at it. This was a

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lot different. So, uh, apologies in advance. It could be,

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but I don't. I don't think it was her mainly

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be just because the fur was different from what I

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could see. It didn't look the same. So I guess

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where it really started was well, shortly after Aliy and

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I started dating. We'd we've been driving around, talking, been

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showing me around because we'd moved and so I was new.

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I didn't know where anything was, and we had gone

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quite a while without this being brought up. And then

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she started talking about it, which, of course, you know,

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I learned that a lot of the people I met

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here had fascinations with this stuff. A lot of the

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friends I made actually listen, believe it or not, to

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this very show, and I didn't I didn't know up

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until you know again after everything had been gone down,

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because I didn't talk to him as much about this

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kind of stuff. It's not something that comes up in

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conversation often, at least not in I guess our day

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to day Ali and I I had her listen to

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the episode that had been three oh one, and then

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I'm sure she went listen to the others on her

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own time, because you know, it's one of those things

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once you live it, like coming back and listening to it.

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Sure is, it's always good and I'm always here. Despite

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not saying much, I am. I do listen to several

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episodes when I have time, but with work and I

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think it's difficult. So she went and kind of was

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doing research. And I assume it's because I told her

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that sometimes I still I do have nightmares of the experience,

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even though I'm not. I don't want to say I'm

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completely over it, but it was one of those things

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that every now and then, you know, something happens in

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your life and then I guess your mind wanders is

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the best way to put it. It haunts you long

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after they're gone. And whether that's the dog Men has

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some ability to do that. I've heard many people claim

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that they have that ability where they can kind of

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stay with you. It sticks with you, or it's just

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the mind trying to rationalize it, or something happened that

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kind of brings you back, whatever the significance is, I

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warned her. You know, sometimes I'll wake up. I don't

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get weird. I don't like scream or anything. It's just

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cold sweat, you know, you sit up, kind of have

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to go get some water, you know, walk around a

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little bit. It didn't help that she had land, her

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her family had land, her her father had farmland and everything,

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quite a bit of it. So going out there and

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if I were to ever visit or anything like that,

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it is just a lot of land, a lot of space,

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which granted I'm a country kid, but you know, big

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empty land where there's not a whole lot of stuff

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and there's trees and everything else with things to hide

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in kind of become the bane of my existence. I'm

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always looking to see if there's something moving there shadows

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things that aren't right, partly because you know, keeping your

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eyes on your surroundings is kind of an important thing,

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especially when you're out in something else's house where you're

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not in control. But we went out to friends Wood

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for the Renaissance Fair, which is where we started noticing

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that there were odd happenings. Ali had dressed up as

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a shaman, right She had gone and gotten an outfit

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looked like looked like she was an American shaman. It

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was really cool. It was actually really cool to see

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will it really well put together. But she had all

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these these I don't want to call them she had.

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She had talismans and stuff which were apparently legitimate, and

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they're from her. They're actually family things like the little

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I don't want to call them opal but I'm not

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quite sure what they're called, you know, the little sea

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foam jade looking things. She had a bunch of those.

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I can't even think of their name right now. I

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could probably google it and figure it out, but I

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just I don't remember what they're exactly called. But they're

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basically beads and stuff like that. She had furs and everything,

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and she was really big in the taxidermy, so she

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did have some skulls. Now, I don't know if they

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were real or not, but they looked real enough for me.

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They just didn't have any scent or anything like that.

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But basically we walked around. We did our thing, but

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I couldn't help but feel like we were being watched.

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I mean, it's the rest once the fair. There's stuff

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going on everywhere. But you know, Ali was determined to

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avoid the big crowds because she doesn't like people, like

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a lot of people fair enough, I'm not a big

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crowd person either, right, but skirting around the outside of

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it kind of kind of drugged my attention to what

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was going on because we were staying very close to

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the woodline, to the tree line and everything like that.

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And I remember they had this elephant there for elephant riots,

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and it was getting frisky. It was not happy. He

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didn't really do anything, but it was definitely getting It

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was being very loud compared to when we first arrived,

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and that day while we were having lunch and everything,

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we sat away from everybody and we're kind of off

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into the trees. I do this thing now if I'm

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having like a picnic or something, where I'll watch the

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tree line as I'm eating, like because look for any

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subtle shifts or anything. And I've started doing this a

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lot because we have a lot of like wild boarder here.

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There's you know, I watched a alligator or as we

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call them, a swamp puppy. It come out and grab

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some kids power wheel out of park because it was

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near one of the docks, so I've seen there. We

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have wildlife enough to be concerned about. Coyotes here are

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pretty brazen too, so it's always good to kind of

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keep your eyes open because you never know when some

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guy decides to throw a sandwich out in the woods

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and something decides that wants to bite kind of thing,

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you know, And my primary concern is her and keeping

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her like that's my objective at this stage, because if

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something's coming, you know, I'd rather get me than her

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kind of thing. And I remember looking out there and

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I remember seeing something move. At the time, I didn't

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know what it was. I thought it was just a

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really big dog, which sounds really funny given the fact

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of you know where I am now and the things

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that seemed before. But you know, there are dogs all

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over the well, not all over the place, but there

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were dogs. Again, we have coyotes, have all sorts of

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things out here, So assuming that it is that off

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the cuff, I felt would be wrong. It did strike

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me as odd because of where it was standing and

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the fact that it was facing toward me, which I

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remember looking at it and seeing the side of it

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so that you could see it peeking around the corner

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of the tree, and it looked like it was just

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kind of looking as if it had its head caught

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towards you a little bit, so it looked like it

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could have just had its head turned to the side

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and was looking at you. Just couldn't see the rest

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of it from where it was standing or how I

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was standing. But it's the fact that it purposely kept

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half of its face hidden. You can only see part

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part of its ear and part of its neck, and

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the way its head was turned, so it was kind

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of hard to see where exactly its body would be.

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And it sat there for a long time, but it

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was far enough out where I couldn't really discern the details.

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It was just dark, had dark fur, and it had

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very very very opulent gold eyes like these were very

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large golden eyes, and well, I say amber eyes, but

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I always say their gold because when the sun was

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hitting it just right, it looked gold, you know. I

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watched it for a long time while she was talking

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with some of the people we went with and everything

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like that, and eventually I actually saw it turn and

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kind of head off in its own direction, like it

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left right, and it didn't didn't make too much noise,

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It didn't do anything malicious. I didn't see it do

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atypical what I would expect after my experiences with the

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the last one that we saw, where it can kind

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of smile. I don't know if I had to explain it,

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but it kind of it looks like it's smiling. But

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I never got the feeling that it had fully left,

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you know what I mean, Like I never felt like

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it had vacated the premises. I felt like it was

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more skirting around opportunistically looking for something to do. I

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think it was bored because looking back at it the

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whole day, I was on edge after that, like I

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just couldn't. I wasn't gonna bring up in front of

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our friends and our peers and everything like that I did.

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I certainly didn't want to bring it up in front

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of her because she was having a good time and

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she just tucked me to every single shop all the while.

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I'm trying to like keep an eye out because I'm

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for lack of air term on edge because you know,

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if it was if it was as big as I

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thought it might be. Even if it were just a coyo.

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It's big, is big enough to where I even by itself,

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it'd be a problem if it was, you know what.

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My gut was starting to tell me what it might

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have been, which I didn't think was possible. Didn't even

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think they would come this far south. I thought that,

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you know, down in the Gulf Coast, that these things

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didn't exist. I figured it was mostly the northwest and

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more northern areas. But you know, again, after Vic and

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I talked last night, looking back at it, we have

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enough of a population of food sources for something like

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that to survive comfortably, you know, from alligators to bores

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to everything else. So maybe it was just foolish optimism

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to believe that it couldn't be. And I spent a

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long time saying that to myself, that it couldn't be.

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There's no way, What are the odds, It's impossible. You

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know this stuff you tell yourself to try and make

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sense of the situation. You know, it's it's heck, you

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have one encounter. What are the It's like lightning striking,

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isn't It can't strike in the same place twice, right, Like,

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how are odds of that? And was I wrong? Was

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I wrong? We came home, you know, I went home,

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She went home For a while. We were working at

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the same place until I eventually left. So that way

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we wouldn't have to worry about it, which is why

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we weren't worried about dating and everything, because I was

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moving on to a different job, a better job. That

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was when I was rocking my my suit and ponytail

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Combovic he would have been proud of me. Was sell

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the fragrance for a while, making the big bucks on

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the commissions. It was a good job. It was a

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fun job. I do kind of miss it. But she

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called me one day when I was on shift, right,

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I was on lunch, and she told me that something

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had damaged their fences on their farm. Like, okay, what

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do you mean something damage your fences around your farm?

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Like what are we talking about? What are we trying

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to damage? Is something dig under it? There's something true

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on it? Like what are we talking about? Cause you know,

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coyotes if they want to get in maybe all sorts

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of stuff to get into fences if they can't get

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over it. So if they can't get over it they'll

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go under. It doesn't look like something to that. She's like, no,

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something actually just kind of busted through the fence a

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little bit like it looks like something pushed through the fence.

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So I was like, okay, because this is like two

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weeks later now to put in respective friends what is

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about two hours from us technically because we have to

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cut through Houston. We live in League City now. She

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lives in friends Wood, but she lives up in the

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part of friends With where her dad has land. Now,

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whether they still have that land, I don't know. I

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haven't spoken to her, and I have no idea the

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state of her family or anything like that. So the guys,

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I can't answer that. I don't know. But at the

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time she hit, they had a decent amount of land

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and a nice house, a very nice house, and her

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calling me when her dad is there because her dad's

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one of the biggest guys I've ever met. Like he's

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just big, you know, his forum is this is like

477
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worth twice of mine. And I'm not a small dude,

478
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,640
but he's just got barrels for forms. He's a big guy,

479
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,359
his strong dude. I respect him a lot. He he

480
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,359
didn't want to necessarily deal with it alone, and he

481
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,000
didn't want her out there with him, right, So I

482
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,160
go over there and we to check it out, and

483
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,119
it does look like something had pushed through the fence,

484
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,359
like if you put your weight on like a fence,

485
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,839
like a small wooden fence, and you're trying to break

486
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,359
it down, and you put your weight down on it

487
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,119
to kind of bend it forward. Is what it looked like.

488
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,400
But it almost looks like someone didn't fully do it,

489
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,920
and it was bent inward, which was a little concerning.

490
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,119
And we found dog tracks, big ones, and my heart

491
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,279
sank because he was telling me it's a coyote, you know,

492
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,519
and I know he could see that I was visibly.

493
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,240
I'm gonna be honest, I was. I was kind of

494
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,880
a coward a little bit. I didn't want to be

495
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,839
there anymore. I wanted to get the heck out of there.

496
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,039
I wanted to leave. I did not want to be

497
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,559
there anymore. I did not feel comfortable there. I did

498
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,920
not want to have any part of it. I was like, Nope,

499
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,720
that's too big to be a county. There's no way

500
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:50,079
that's a coyote. Now, granted it could have been, I

501
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,640
guess you know, they do get big. But my head

502
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,559
space then wasn't on the rational explanation. Mike said, space

503
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,480
was like, okay, so we had something watching us at

504
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:02,240
the Renaissance Fair like two weeks ago, and now I

505
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,400
got this. There's no way these are a coincidence because

506
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,799
I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not gonna sit here

507
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,839
and tell myself and lie to myself because I did

508
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:14,640
that once before and look where that ended up. I'm

509
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,759
just I'm gonna remove myself because I know we talked

510
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:24,119
about a little bit in three oh one, as I

511
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,119
think we did. I could be wrong, but I think

512
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,920
we did where I told you. I feel like I'm

513
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,720
magnet to some of stuff, cause weird stuff doesn't just

514
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:33,759
happen around me a lot. You know, I did a

515
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,519
lot of time living up in the Northwest. Sorry, I'm

516
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,079
getting a little bit, uh, I'm getting a little bit spooked,

517
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:46,599
and I'll get into that minute and why. But I've

518
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,880
always kind of had this thing where weird stuff just

519
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,000
tends to kind of happen or around me, not to

520
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,759
me specifically, but around me. You know, weird things, if

521
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,680
it could happen, it will, And so living here up

522
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,799
until that point, I had had to deal with any

523
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,440
of that. Right there, there was none of that. There

524
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,839
was no like, I can't tell you how peaceful and

525
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,559
how happy I was, how peaceful. It was. None of that.

526
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:10,960
It was just normal, day to day living, normal stuff.

527
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,119
No weird things, no dogmen, no paranormal or anything. Nothing

528
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,200
that's unexplainable that you have to just go, well, that

529
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,759
happened nothing. It was just me working, giving money, spending

530
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,240
time with her, and you know, going out occasionally getting

531
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:32,559
drinks with my friends. Right very simple, very easy, and

532
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,720
I felt invaded a little bit, like I had kind

533
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,240
of left, not only for my parents, but because I

534
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,200
wanted a fresh start feet away from it all, you know.

535
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,640
And I was like, okay, well, you know, I left

536
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,759
a life behind to start a new one, and now

537
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:54,279
you're here right now. Now you're coming into my space

538
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,920
where I made for myself away from all that, to

539
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,440
get away from a home of it. And because I

540
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,160
have cousins who are Native American, they're really distant, but

541
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,279
like they live up there and I don't get to

542
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,920
see them anymore, talk to them very much anymore, which

543
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,720
I've kind of just started doing now, you know. Over

544
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,599
the last couple of months. Recently, I've started just reaching

545
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,799
out to them to get a hold of them because

546
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,400
at this point, like looking back at it, it was

547
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,079
foolish of me to distance myself. It's just that my

548
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,440
cousins were, you know, into all that stuff. And again,

549
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,640
I feel like, if you, if you invite it into

550
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,720
your life, like if you're interested in it and you

551
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:28,680
and this is a me thing, this is a and

552
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,480
that I'm probably wrong in thinking like this, but I

553
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,079
always think like, if you give something power, if it's

554
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,759
like if you say its name, if you acknowledge it,

555
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,160
if you open yourself to it, you know, you invite

556
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680
that thing in, You give it an in, you give

557
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,279
it a way to come into your life and invade

558
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,000
it regardless of whether you want it to or not.

559
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,119
And I didn't want that, you know, so I wanted

560
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,599
to remove all the possibility possibilities of somebody else being

561
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440
you know, or attracting it so it wouldn't affect me

562
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,400
and I would and I was hoping that that would

563
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,279
take care of it all and I wouldn't have to

564
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:08,240
worry about it. Probably was wrong, and looking back, it

565
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,200
was selfish a little bit, you know. They didn't deserve that,

566
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,759
but it was just me trying to get a clean slate.

567
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,839
So I was a coward a little bit in that regard.

568
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200
And for them, if they listen to this, if they

569
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,440
do listen to this, to all the people that I

570
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
had kind of walked away from to trying to preserve

571
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:34,359
some sense of peace, I'm sorry. It wasn't ever about you.

572
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,119
It was nothing you did. I just didn't want it.

573
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,880
I didn't want it to come back because I was

574
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,319
afraid that if it came back, it wouldn't leave. And

575
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:50,279
I'm convinced that it probably hasn't. There are things that

576
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,640
you know looking back that yeah, I'm pretty sure there's

577
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,839
one near here. But I've segued enough. I'm sorry. I've

578
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,960
kind of gone way off guilty with this a little bit.

579
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,960
We we went a while without hearing anything, right, so

580
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,799
nothing came of it. The fence was fixed, it didn't

581
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,000
look like anything. They did have a chicken or two

582
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:21,039
go missing, but but nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. We we

583
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,559
went a couple more months, and so there's this road

584
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,519
that goes from League City or I guess through League

585
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,960
City kind of that's not quite a freeway or a highway,

586
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,920
but it's it's a it's a large long stretch of

587
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,519
road that goes through like a couple of miles, well

588
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,400
not queuple of miles, but quite a quite a few

589
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,160
many miles of nothing ally told me was dead men's past.

590
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,160
Now to give you guys a history lesson as to

591
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,799
what that is. It is an area where there's a

592
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,119
lot of like unsolved crime that goes on there. There's

593
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,920
there are people you know there have been and then

594
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,640
this isn't to get graphic or anything, but they have

595
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,400
they have found bodies out there back way back when,

596
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,559
like way way back when Kyries live out there, while

597
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,799
boor live out there. It is a wooded area of

598
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,440
trees that kind of tangle around almost like thorn bushes

599
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,720
kind of, and it's just wilderness. It's just tons and

600
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:13,960
tons of wilderness. And I'm pretty sure part of the

601
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,720
reason why it's never been buldozed over at taking care

602
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:17,319
of is a lot of it's kind of like bogland.

603
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,559
There's a lot of marshy parts of it, and there's

604
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,240
just not a lot you could probably do with it

605
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,359
right safely, so it's just kind of left to its

606
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,759
own devices. And it's huge. It's huge. Well, Ali and

607
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:29,359
I used to go out there, and that was our

608
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:32,160
liked'll get away camping area. I know that sounds really dumb,

609
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,880
like it does like it sounds really dumb, but like

610
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,839
you know, she had gone out there tons of times

611
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680
from what she told me, and I trusted her. You know,

612
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,000
we got months with anything happening. I'm like, okay, maybe

613
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,839
I'm just being paranoid again. She had a pretty face,

614
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920
pretty brown eyes, and a smile that could watch my

615
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,119
any war you have kind of thing. And so when

616
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,079
she tells me, you know, trust me, we're fine, I

617
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,319
chose to trust her. She'd been out there, her parents

618
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,200
had gone out there, she'd gone through friends camping, she'd

619
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,960
been out there, she'd been trapsing through those little wood

620
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:11,400
wooded areas for years and years and years, and so

621
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,119
I trusted that we'd be fine. So we drove a

622
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880
car down into this like a littlebankment area and came

623
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200
down well on embankment, but basically into this little path

624
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,599
right where you know, a few cars. It was clear

625
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,960
people had come down here occasionally. It was not a

626
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,200
man made path necessarily, but it was one made overwear

627
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,039
and tear kind of thing. You ever make camping, you

628
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,240
know what I'm talking about kind of thing where it's

629
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640
just kind of matted down, the grounds clear because you know,

630
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,759
tires and god knows what else has come through here

631
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,200
and made it kind of a pit path. And there

632
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,119
was this little area which is kind of clear where

633
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,839
the branches didn't come down as low and everything like that.

634
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,319
You can kind of see the sky up above. It

635
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:48,440
was really pretty. It was a beautiful place. They even

636
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,279
had some wild flowers out there that grew. They were

637
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,720
they were beautiful, and we were going to stay the

638
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,440
night there. I can almost feel myself screaming at me,

639
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,640
why would you do that? I know it's it's dumb,

640
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,680
but we were young. You know, we were in love,

641
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,400
or at least I thought we were in love, and

642
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,759
you know, there were, for lack of better terms and

643
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:16,440
intentions for the evening, and we were getting comfortable for

644
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,640
the evening and just kind of relaxing, and we had

645
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
gotten a kind of a fire going outside. You know,

646
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400
I cut some firewood, made a little area with some

647
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,480
rocks and everything where we could put it out easily

648
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,279
so we'd have some natural light rather than the lights

649
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,000
from the car. And we were just kind of preparing

650
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,039
to kind of turn in. I was. I had made

651
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,039
a CD for her, my own mixed CD of various songs,

652
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,799
which was just kind of like the cuddle playlist for

653
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:48,279
lack of a better term, where you just kind of

654
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:49,880
like lay there and watch the star sort of thing,

655
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,359
and that was the goal. She wasn't in acoverable or

656
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:54,559
anything like that. So we're gonna have to y out

657
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,440
to do that part. But we were in the car

658
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,480
because of other reasons, which I'm not about to get into.

659
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,000
But she stops me, you know, after we you know,

660
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,480
we'd started getting all cozy, and told me that she

661
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,159
didn't feel right that, you know, and she sat up

662
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,320
and I was like, well, what do you mean to you? You

663
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,119
don't feel right? She's like, don't you're always the one

664
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,920
that's so paranoid. What do you mean? What do you

665
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,159
What do I mean? Do you not feel off? Like

666
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,519
we're being watched? And so I sat up and I

667
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,199
was like, okay, well, you know, we we had earlier

668
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,519
seen you know, some old tents stuff like that. We

669
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,960
assumed that it might be homes some homeless folks that

670
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,239
had come out here occasionally because they kind of roam around.

671
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,360
If you've been in Texas, there's there's quite a not

672
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,079
there's not a lot of them, but there's there's quite

673
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,599
a few. So it didn't like it didn't even dawn

674
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,119
on me that like she meant something else. So of

675
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,639
course I just kind of like locked the doors to

676
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,760
the car because I'm I'm way too distracted to think

677
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,320
straight at this stage. This is when when little Vick

678
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,559
should have started screaming, but he didn't quite get there yet.

679
00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:01,079
He wasn't awake. I guess I hadn't given him his coffee.

680
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,960
But then it got really wrong, really quick. There were

681
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,679
birds out before they were quiet, and the air felt thick,

682
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,880
like you know when you feel like you're in trouble,

683
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,079
or if you ever come home and you know, you

684
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:17,440
know mom and dad are gonna be mad at you,

685
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
and you're just kind of walking that walk, that long,

686
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,639
tension filled walk where you don't want to go in

687
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,039
the house. It felt like that, but it felt like

688
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,599
that everywhere, like there was no getting away from it.

689
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:34,920
And I'd never seen Alie scared. Ali was that country

690
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440
girl who just didn't get afraid. She wasn't afraid of anything.

691
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,000
I've seen her square up with people that were twice

692
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:45,480
my size, right, big scary guys that you know, even

693
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,599
I might give a second glance. And she just didn't care.

694
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:58,199
She just did not care. And because of that, I

695
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,440
I don't know, it was just watching her her face

696
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,920
kind of get to where she's like, I don't know

697
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,559
what it is, but I don't like you here. We

698
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,679
should we should go. And I'm like, okay, well, let's

699
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,639
put out the fire and everything. And as I go

700
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,360
to reach for the door, the car alerches a little

701
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,199
bit a lot, but a little bit enough to wear

702
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,679
for like something put weight on it. And I'm sitting

703
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,719
there kind of going, okay, well that wasn't you, and

704
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,039
that wasn't me. And so I look outside and I'm

705
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,599
expecting to see some some goober sticking his face against

706
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,960
the window making weird eyeballs at us or something. I'm

707
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,280
expecting anything at this stage other than what I saw,

708
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,199
which was a close up of that eye that I

709
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,480
had seen at the Renaissance Fair, and it was just

710
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,440
staring at us. And and I can't tell you, I

711
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,840
cannot express you how cold I got because it didn't

712
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,119
look at us like oh what's this. It was almost

713
00:36:58,159 --> 00:36:59,920
like it looked at us as if it were amused

714
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:05,800
that we thought we had gotten away, because it had

715
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,440
that kind of curve to it, like when you smile

716
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,599
when you're you're kind of happy, whether you're happy to

717
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,360
see somebody or something else. And it was almost like, ah,

718
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,960
there you are. And I could almost feel my heart

719
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400
in my throat because you know, before, when I was

720
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,039
a kid, when this happened, it was me and my

721
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,679
silly friends who were doing stupid things that you should

722
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,360
have been doing, and going places at our parents tould

723
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,719
is not to go. If something had happened, we would

724
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,719
have deserved it. We went looking, and at the time,

725
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,599
I was like, we weren't even We're not even where

726
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:40,639
you should be. You shouldn't even be here. And all

727
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,639
I can think about, you know, is is Ali. I'm

728
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,440
kind of glancing over my shoulder and I'm facing it.

729
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:48,519
I turned around to face it. I'm glancing over my

730
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:50,119
shoulder and she is as pale as a ghost, and

731
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,800
she's just sitting there with her mouth open, staring at

732
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,880
this thing. And you know, I'm thankful that she's not

733
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:00,320
screaming yet, that she's not freaking out. And then its

734
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,760
head raises and it purposely did this, you know, looking back,

735
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,440
And I only know because of the nightmare I had

736
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:08,719
last night after talking about it with you, where I

737
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,760
kind of got moments where I got to, you know,

738
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,440
see or kind of relive parts of it. But I

739
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,480
never realized that it didn't intentionally. And I can't say

740
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,360
it didn't because there's no reason why it wouldn't have.

741
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,719
It raised its snoun and I mean, this thing's dark,

742
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,800
so it's either dark brown or it's black one or

743
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,880
the other. It's it's dark. It's very dark furred, so

744
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,199
it could have raised its head and not done anything else.

745
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480
But the moon was coming out just a little bit.

746
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:35,920
It wasn't a full moon. It was like I think,

747
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,199
a waning cresset, I think, but we had moonlight, and

748
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
it raised steps so we could see its teeth, and

749
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,519
it opened its mouth and curled its lips back, not

750
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:47,159
like it was smiling, but just as if it was

751
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,519
showing off what it had, you know. Which that's what

752
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,400
finally got Ali to freak out, was the gravity of it.

753
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,119
And she went and made a sound. And I can't

754
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,000
tell you how fast I shimmied behind her and grabs

755
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:05,079
her and put my hand over her mouth because I

756
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,639
didn't want to give it any reason to think that

757
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,079
punching its way through that window or ripping that car

758
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,880
door off was a good idea. I didn't want it

759
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,760
to think that. I wanted it to either be bored

760
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,599
and leave, or for it to give me a way

761
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,480
to use the axe I cut the wood with that

762
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:29,320
was in the floorboards. At least one good swing. That's

763
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,920
all I could think of. If I could just get

764
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,760
one swing, even if it were to pull me out

765
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,239
of this car, at least, at least then I could

766
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,960
maybe she could get out of here, Because all I

767
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880
could think about again was you know, I got to

768
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,480
get her out of here. I got to get her

769
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,800
out of here. This is my fault. I brought this thing.

770
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,440
This is my fault. It would been years, years and

771
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840
years and years and years since anything had happened, even

772
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480
before I spoke with you, and I just couldn't help

773
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,719
but blame myself. It was my fault. I did this.

774
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,840
This was me, all me. Now. She was in danger

775
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,400
because of me, and that I remember we talked about

776
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000
it and the last time I was here, But that

777
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,719
anger that I felt the first time it was so

778
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,800
much more palpable now because I went from being scared

779
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,800
to being just furious. You know, I had given up everything,

780
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,880
I'd walked away, I had left, I'd started a new

781
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,559
life for myself. I was happy, and this thing from

782
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,880
my nightmare is, this thing from my memories decided it

783
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,639
was going to come crawling back to life and just

784
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,400
refuse to let itself die. It just wouldn't stay away

785
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,320
from me, and I was, you know, to the point

786
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,960
where it was like, if you want me, just come

787
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,559
get me then, Like, if that's how we want to

788
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,360
play this game, just do it already. What are you

789
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,280
waiting for? What's the purpose? Why are you just standing

790
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,400
there outside the car? Do something? Which is really dumb

791
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,800
of me to say, like again, I'm not thinking. I know,

792
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,119
I wasn't thinking. I wasn't wasn't using any of the

793
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,320
brains that I have. I was just angry. And you know,

794
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,039
whether I was justified or not, it was still really

795
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,079
dumb on my part because if she hadn't been there,

796
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,039
I may have done something really stupid like go to

797
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,000
you know, get out and just say, well, let's just

798
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:17,840
do it then. If that's what you want, you destroyed

799
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,280
everything once, let's just get it over with and you

800
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,920
can destroy the rest of it, because I was just

801
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,679
that mad. And I remember this was the only time

802
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,079
because Ali and I had this really weird thing where

803
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,920
I didn't really have to worry about her, so I

804
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,320
typically didn't get in that position of you know, you're

805
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,599
going to listen to me, and you know she's trying

806
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,239
to protest my hands on her mouth, like you're going

807
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,400
to listen to me, and you're not going to make

808
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,880
a sound. We're not going to make. This is as

809
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,599
much sound as we're going to make. I'm whispering to

810
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,280
her now. So we're going to let this thing circle

811
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,679
around the car, and we're just going to keep her

812
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,559
eyes on it as best we can. You have your

813
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,480
dad's you have your dad's gun in the glove box.

814
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,119
You're smaller than me. You're going to get up the

815
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,840
front seat, and you're going to get it just in case, right,

816
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,559
just in just in case. You're not going to do

817
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,199
anything with it. We're not going to do anything. But

818
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,119
it's smart enough where it will know what we're doing.

819
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,760
And I'm going to grab that axe and if something happens,

820
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,440
no matter what happens, no matter what it does, get

821
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,320
the keys, get in the driver's seat and get ready,

822
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719
no matter what it does. Is exactly what I told her,

823
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,960
no matter what it does, because she's starting to panic,

824
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,800
and I can see the changes and the cogs in

825
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,159
her mind trying to process what she's saying, which is

826
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:40,880
the same thing I know that I probably did as

827
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,559
a child. Where the cogs are trying, you're trying to

828
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:44,800
make sense of what you're seeing. You're trying to rationalize it, like,

829
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,719
oh my god, it's actually real. It's not something that

830
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,039
people talk about online. For clout, it's not that. This

831
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,239
is a living, breathing thing. And as we're doing this,

832
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,400
as we're having this, we're I'm pulling her with me

833
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,320
as I'm rotating with this thing as it passes by

834
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,800
the back window. This thing is huge. It's bigger. It

835
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,480
has to be bigger than the one that I before.

836
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,079
It's arms were longer, and you can see them, just

837
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,800
barely through the dim light of the fire and the moon.

838
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,559
You can see it's muscles flexing. This thing could could

839
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,039
punch me in half, like it would juice me. There'd

840
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:13,960
be nothing left it just it goes straight through me

841
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,360
like butter, like a hot knife, your butter. I already

842
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,679
know there's nothing I can do to stop it, but

843
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,760
my head's my head. My head canon at the time

844
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,400
was I could slow it down. At the very least,

845
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,320
I could do something to slow it down, and maybe

846
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,679
I can make it think twice, making if it you know,

847
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,239
if I can make it bleed, that's all I care

848
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,079
about at this stage, if it comes in this car,

849
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,920
because I'm not going to let you have her kind

850
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,239
of thing. I just won't let you do it. And

851
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,599
so I had that grounding me and keeping me focused

852
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,559
despite how angry I was, how out of control it was.

853
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,559
My head started hurting again like it did back when

854
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,400
I was a kid, you know. I started getting those

855
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,320
weird moments of just flashes of red like I'm it's

856
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,519
it's all happening again. I'm trying to keep myself grounded

857
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,519
for her because I don't want and I don't want

858
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,840
her to see me pop off like that. I'm not

859
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,559
that guy. I don't want to be that guy. I

860
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,960
don't want to be that right. So there's the fear

861
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960
of if, if this thing does, if this goes south

862
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:11,719
and everything, the last thing she'll probably see of me

863
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,800
because I'm gonna go jumping on jumping on the scene.

864
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,880
If he tries to come through the car, I'm gonna

865
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,679
jump on it and try to get away from her.

866
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,960
Uh and it's probably gonna pull me out and and

867
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,800
that's gonna be it. The last thing she's gonna see

868
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320
me is me going absolutely ballistic on this thing for

869
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,280
the three seconds I'm gonna have. And you know, there's

870
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,719
there's a part of my mind that thinks it's pretty

871
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,320
funny the idea that this thing is sticking head in

872
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,360
the car after breaking through the window and it just

873
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,440
get bit it get bit back. You know that i'd

874
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,119
bite him back, Like how does that feel like when

875
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,360
you bite your dog when it's when it's being bad

876
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,760
and you bite him back and the dog just kind

877
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,400
of looks at you. There's a part of me that

878
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,119
wants to have that humor in there, to think that

879
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,119
we'd have a moment there before it decided to eat

880
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,639
me or finish me off, that it would be like,

881
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,719
did you just really have the audacity to bite me back?

882
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,119
But that's just me trying to make I don't know,

883
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
I don't know why I'm laughing. I don't know, I

884
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,840
I it's just it's just the only way I have

885
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,400
the kind of cope with it a little bit because

886
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,920
I don't know. But this thing circled on the car,

887
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,159
and it just kept circling around it, and it would

888
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,360
slow down whenever there was a larger windows, as if saying, yeah,

889
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,119
I could get you here, or I could get you here.

890
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,119
And it come back to the side, and every now

891
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:17,559
and then it would dut its head down to look

892
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,320
at us again, and you know, it would give her

893
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,880
a glance, but it would focus in on me. It

894
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,119
would look at me, and that's what I wanted it

895
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,239
to do, so I was thankful that it was. It was,

896
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,920
you know, in my head, I'm telling you, yeah, look

897
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
at me, look at me, don't look at her, look

898
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:38,920
at me. And then it leaned up against the car

899
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,559
and it pushed it a little bit to the side.

900
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:42,760
Now when I say pushed a little the side, we

901
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,280
felt the car move a little bit. It didn't try

902
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,039
to do anything, but I think it was. I think

903
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:50,760
it was trying to show us what it could do,

904
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,840
right like, oh, look, with you in this thing, I

905
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,039
can move it, So what are you going to do?

906
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,920
This whole thing was just it squaring up, I'm pretty sure.

907
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,920
And then it just kind of left whether it got bored.

908
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,559
You know, I'm at this point, I have the axe

909
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,599
in my hands, and I'm making sure it can see it.

910
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400
You know. I wanted to know that I have something

911
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,159
I want it to know just like it. I know

912
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,199
it has teeth and claws, and it's stronger than me,

913
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,119
and bigger than me, and faster than me, and heck,

914
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:22,880
it might even be smarter than me. At this point,

915
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,159
I don't know. You know, there were a few times

916
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,480
where it gave the handles a test, you know, and

917
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,280
so I knew it knew what handles were, It was

918
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,880
aware of how to open a cardor so, you know,

919
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,519
I knew it fully knew how to get to us

920
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,599
if it wanted to. But I wanted to make sure

921
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,400
that it was very much aware that I had every

922
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,400
intention on swinging this thing with every bit of the

923
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,440
strength my body had. It'd be the last thing i'd do,

924
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,320
but at least i'd go down. I'd give it, and

925
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,719
hopefully i'd give it something to think about, you know,

926
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,880
hopefully there'd be there'd be a little bit of me

927
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,679
that it would remember for the rest of its life,

928
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,320
and I'd pay it back. Right That's the only something

929
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,519
anything again, just anything to get her out of here,

930
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,960
because that's all I really cared about at the time,

931
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:12,119
which if you've ever been been you know someone in

932
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,199
there where your loved ones in danger, kid, spouse, you

933
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,320
name it. A lot of times that's the only thing

934
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,039
you could think of like that, that's it. You can

935
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,679
only think of their well being, their safety, of course

936
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,320
if you love them right, Like everybody's got their own experiences,

937
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,440
So I'm not going to say that how people have

938
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,039
feeling all that, but you know what I mean, like that,

939
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,840
that's really the only thing you have in those moments,

940
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,239
and it can either be a really grounding situation for

941
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,400
you or it can be the thing that breaks the

942
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:47,119
camel's back, the last straw sort of thing. But it

943
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,199
eventually left, It turned and left. I guess it got bordered,

944
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,719
maybe it got what it wanted. But it looked back

945
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,719
at us over its shoulder. And this is as an

946
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,440
ali starting up the car getting ready to leave. We

947
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,159
just like everything going. We left. We left everything we

948
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,920
had put out there, you know, and the half built

949
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,559
tent all that, We left it all out there, and

950
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,840
it just what it looked back at over its shoulder

951
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,239
and just watched us, and you know, it then just

952
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,039
kind of ducked into the tree line where we couldn't

953
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,039
follow with the car, so probably assuming that Ali was

954
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:19,480
going to do something crazy elect try to hit it,

955
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:25,719
which is definitely within her m. I think that, between

956
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,159
me and you, Vic, I think that was the smartest

957
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:29,519
thing it could have done, because I'm pretty sure, yeah,

958
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:30,960
she probably would have and it would have ended up

959
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:36,079
poorly for us, But because she was scared out of

960
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,639
her mind and we drove, we got out of there,

961
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,119
and we drove, and I don't know if it kept

962
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:43,800
pace with us. I don't know if it followed us.

963
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,119
I don't think it needed to. I think the point

964
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:50,800
was made. Thinking about it, I don't even think it.

965
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,519
I don't even know if it was alone. To be

966
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,079
honest with you, I don't even know if it was

967
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,239
by itself. It seemed way too cocky, and it seemed

968
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,199
I think it was a male. Looking back at its behavior,

969
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,280
I think it very much felt like we encroached on

970
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,800
its territory. And I'm gonna get into why. I feel

971
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,760
like it felt threatened and it was angry, but it

972
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,480
was also coming because it knew it didn't need to

973
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,079
actually do anything. It just needed to give a little

974
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:18,559
bit and it would get a lot out of it,

975
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,440
you know what I mean. It knew full well what

976
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,400
it was capable of, and we knew too. And Ali

977
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:27,559
didn't say anything to me up until we got home.

978
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,360
And you know, she lived away from me, and she

979
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
dropped me off first for once, which was fine. I

980
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,440
didn't my own not walking back, mainly because I'd have

981
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,519
to pass by a certain stretch with her. So she

982
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,920
just didn't feel comfortable leaving me there. And I, you know,

983
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,400
I looked at her, I was like, are you okay,

984
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:48,519
Like I know, it's a silly question, and she just

985
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,199
told me, you know, we'll talk about it later, but

986
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,719
I just need to go home. And so she went home,

987
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:59,719
and here for her for two days. Finally a friend

988
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,159
of mine, Chris, took me over there to go go

989
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,480
see her and everything, and he kind of dropped me

990
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,079
off there her done hanging out and kind of getting

991
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,559
stead of taking care of us. I was helping him

992
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,199
paint one of the rooms in his house, So I

993
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,400
was like, here, can you drop me off over he

994
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,760
I'm just gonna knock the door and see if folks

995
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,039
are home, see if she's home, see if I can

996
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:15,800
see what's going on, a little bit worried about her.

997
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:18,519
And when she answered the door, she just looked at

998
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,480
me and she she hadn't looked like she was sleeping. Well,

999
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,599
I mean, su already had insomnia, but this was, you know, different.

1000
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,960
She looked changed. And she invited me in and we

1001
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,880
sat down and started talking, and you know, she told

1002
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,679
me that, you know, I didn't believe you, and I

1003
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:38,559
didn't believe any of it at first. I'm like, well, yeah,

1004
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,880
that's a rational thing to say. I told her straight up,

1005
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,480
that's that's probably the most real thing you could ever

1006
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,199
say about any of this. Like, unless you see it's

1007
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480
it's good to listen to. You know, it's fun. And

1008
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,559
I'm sure there's people out there who, you know, we've

1009
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,599
talked about people that enjoy listening, but you know, they

1010
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,880
don't necessarily believe in it. It's just a cool ghost story.

1011
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,119
It's that until you see it, you know, until it's

1012
00:50:58,119 --> 00:50:59,440
standing there in front of you and you can see

1013
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,920
it's heartbeat and the blood pumping through its veins and

1014
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,559
the muscle move and every bit of it designed to

1015
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,880
take life, that if it wanted to it, it would

1016
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
make it easy that, you know, God forbid. You know

1017
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,960
the stories you hear where people have shot these things

1018
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,159
or have managed to hurt these things, and they just

1019
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,159
walk it off. They don't even care. It doesn't even

1020
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:25,719
phase them. You know. It's it's a different it's an

1021
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,639
entirely different league. You know, you and I get hurt, shot, stab,

1022
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,400
whatever it is, and we go into shock or you know,

1023
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,239
we have our fleeting moments before you know, eventually we

1024
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,679
succumb to our wounds. These things take four or five

1025
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,840
shots me, the whole magazine, and they just walk it off,

1026
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,920
never be seen again. Whether they die or not, we

1027
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,960
don't know. But they don't clearly care, and they're not afraid,

1028
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:48,800
and they know for a fact they've got us beat.

1029
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,440
You know, it's it's a scary prospect, the fact that

1030
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,760
they can open doors and all that is so watching

1031
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,000
her process it, because I already had you to kind

1032
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:00,840
of help me with that, right like you and I

1033
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,639
had already talked. I we'd already gone through and discussed

1034
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,519
all this with each other and how to handle it,

1035
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,119
how to approach it, how to digest that content. I

1036
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,679
want content, but that the contents of your brain like

1037
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,639
the thoughts and the rationale behind it and how to

1038
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,880
make it make sense. She didn't have any that. She

1039
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,920
just had me and I was trying to explain to

1040
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,760
her that, you know, she's not crazy for what she saw,

1041
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,639
you know that it's it's fine, and then she just

1042
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:30,280
looked at me with that that look, that look of

1043
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,039
you know, there's more to it than that, which she

1044
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:35,800
had done that quite a bit whenever she had had

1045
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,599
something she didn't tell me that she wanted to. We'd

1046
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,119
had that with like friend drama and other stuff where

1047
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,400
she she'd give me the look first and wait for

1048
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,199
me to be ready to hear about it. And so

1049
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,079
I was like, okay, so you're giving me the look.

1050
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,360
What are you not telling me? What is it that

1051
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:55,760
I don't know? Ali was into very many things of

1052
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,199
the occult, and she wanted to practice the occult, and

1053
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,920
she did practice vi occult. Now you and I have

1054
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,320
talked about it a little bit more in detail, and

1055
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,639
I'm for the sake of I'm not going to go

1056
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:09,920
into everything, but you know, she was somebody who was

1057
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,639
interested in for example, for those of you, cannibalism is

1058
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,320
one of them kind of thing, and you know, she

1059
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:22,199
had a ritual altar she had she was She told

1060
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,519
me that she was a witch, and she showed me

1061
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,360
all this. I can't express to you the pit in

1062
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,800
my stomach that I felt when she told me that.

1063
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,280
You know, when we were out there that night, she

1064
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,119
had found some things laying around that looked like little

1065
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,519
little dolls and totems. And you know, we had found

1066
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,599
one kind of laying around at the Renaissance fair. But

1067
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,519
you know, we thought it was something like one of

1068
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,199
the props, because it looked like one of them too,

1069
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,199
you know what I mean, like it looked like one

1070
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,239
of them. But she told me that these ones were

1071
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,679
much more crude, and she took one, and when she

1072
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
held it up, I you know, I could only back

1073
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,000
away from it because it looked just like the one

1074
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,480
I'd seen in my child in my childhood, you know,

1075
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,559
the one was made the bones and like fur and

1076
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,039
some other things. It's it's very very crude and rudimentary.

1077
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,159
But she had taken it, she had taken it from

1078
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,960
from where we were. She she'd gone and touched it,

1079
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:13,400
taken it. She had it in her home, and you know,

1080
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,519
all the anger came back, and we had our disagreement

1081
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,679
we had our argument where I, you know, I told her,

1082
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,800
you know, why, you know, why would you do this?

1083
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:22,800
You know, after all the things I told you, why

1084
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,000
would you do this? You know? Why go through and

1085
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,440
put yourself here? Why put us here? Why do this

1086
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,679
to us? And that's kind of when she you know,

1087
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,159
because we'd talked a lot before your friends, and we

1088
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,400
talked a lot about the stuff that she was interested in.

1089
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,320
I kind of expressed, you know, knowledge and understanding of it.

1090
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,960
She had listened to my episode and heard where I

1091
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,360
had said I felt like a magnet, and she thought

1092
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,119
that that was the very act description I guess, and

1093
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:54,000
figured that why not let's test that theory, because she

1094
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,599
she wanted, she wanted to see, She wanted it whatever

1095
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,599
she want wanted it for, whether she thought that it

1096
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,519
would give her some enlightenment or whether it proved something

1097
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,840
or or I don't I don't know. If I don't know,

1098
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,480
I don't know what she wanted. But the fact that

1099
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:18,039
that sacrificial author had like what it had and all that,

1100
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,159
and there were things there that were wrong about it.

1101
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,840
There are a whole host of things that you know,

1102
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,840
just none of it felt right, none of it. None

1103
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,960
of it seemed right, and she invited. It is how

1104
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,599
I feel looking at it now as I'm older, as

1105
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,920
I've had time to get away from it, and I mean,

1106
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:50,000
and she she did. She did threaten me that if

1107
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,480
I ever talked about it, But like we haven't had

1108
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,760
conversation with each other for quite a long time. She's

1109
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,039
well and far removed and gone at this point, probably

1110
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,199
doesn't even go by the nickname that she was using,

1111
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:04,800
the one that I'm calling her by now, probably doesn't

1112
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,920
even use that. So I highly doubt that it would

1113
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,119
matter be of much consequence of me sharing it now,

1114
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,840
mainly because there's no reason for us to interact any

1115
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,960
Anything that did exist was gone after that day when

1116
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,480
we you know, neevitably broke apart, and it was a

1117
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:23,760
rough It was a rough breakup and everything like that,

1118
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,000
even still because it sucked because you know, you go

1119
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,960
sixth state on having somebody there all the time and

1120
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,440
they're not being there anymore. But you know, she she

1121
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,679
got what she wanted. She'll she'll be known for her activities,

1122
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,159
I guess now to whatever degree you know, that's up

1123
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,119
to everybody else. I'm not going to go into the

1124
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:43,360
details or express what kind of human beings. She was

1125
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,880
leave that for everybody here to kind of come through.

1126
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,000
But I was used for whatever purpose, which I believe

1127
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,519
was that, and she got what she wanted. Uh, and

1128
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:57,719
I got another memory of these things. I guess on

1129
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,519
a story to tell around the campfire. We're here with

1130
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:04,559
you to helpfully encourage other people who I mean, if

1131
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,639
I've seen one here in Texas, I'm sure other people

1132
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,800
have too down this far. And like I said in

1133
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,280
the very first video, I mean, if you're scared to

1134
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,760
share it, there's no safer person or place to do

1135
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,079
it than here with it. There's nobody that understands more

1136
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,599
than Vic does. I think in terms of kind of

1137
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,880
care he offers, the kind of advice he gives, the

1138
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,519
way that he conducts this and everything that goes into it,

1139
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,119
and the amount of documentation and records. I mean, there

1140
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,119
are hundreds of people have come and given their testimony.

1141
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,960
Don't sit on it, don't give it strength by burying it,

1142
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,079
because these things, that's what they thrive on. And the

1143
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,719
more they can get to you, the more they'll come.

1144
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,599
And you know whether or not she continued on her

1145
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,119
path and did what she did and found more or

1146
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,360
if it found her. I don't know, but I haven't

1147
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,199
since her and I parted, ways haven't really had any

1148
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,039
major in cares. There were a few weird moments, like

1149
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:03,079
I told you, I'm still looking for some of the

1150
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,360
stuff that I have, Like if I can find that

1151
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,039
silly picture that's somewhere, I don't know if it's in

1152
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:09,519
my old phone, I might have to go try and

1153
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,519
get somebody to like go into it because it doesn't

1154
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,320
work like it used to. But I haven't able to

1155
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,559
find it yet. But there were you know, footprints outside

1156
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,719
my window where someone looked like I've been standing there

1157
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,719
very heavy, fairly large. There's been banging and thumping. There's

1158
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:25,360
been a couple of times where the neighborhood dogs have

1159
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,239
freaked out together like they have freaked out, and my

1160
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,400
neighbor's dog has freaked out too. And these aren't like

1161
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,519
you know, let me inside, like I told you, kind

1162
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,800
of barks and saying yell. These are I'm angry or

1163
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,880
something's here and I don't want it here, get away.

1164
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,920
So I mean, I'm sure given the wilderness that is

1165
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,679
around where I live, and you know the vast areas

1166
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:49,880
that in Texas where there just isn't anything there. There's

1167
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,360
plenty of territory, there's plenty of spaces for these things

1168
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,320
to hide. I mean they hide even in suburban areas.

1169
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,239
And like, I'm pretty sure I remember if I heard

1170
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:03,719
a story here, if I was listening to it, because

1171
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:05,360
I was listening to it on one of my lunches.

1172
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,960
But I think there was one that was like in

1173
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:09,559
a like not a city, but a small town, like

1174
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,119
a fairly small town, but it was populated enough to

1175
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,559
where it could be I guess considered a fledgling city

1176
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,559
or one coming up to it, right, And this thing

1177
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,760
just kind of like lived on the outskirts, just outside.

1178
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
I mean, they know where to live, they know how

1179
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,440
to hide, they know how to stay away from us

1180
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,800
and everything like that. I don't remember it was here.

1181
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,400
If it was another channel that i'd watched with Chris,

1182
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,599
but he'd have me listen to it. I'd have to

1183
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:35,920
go see if I can get him to give me

1184
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,480
that later, and maybe I can sendient link so you

1185
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:39,320
can give him a shout out. I don't know, it

1186
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,880
might be. I'm pretty sure it's here. I'm pretty sure

1187
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,679
it's one of yours, But I'm not sure. These things

1188
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,800
can be anywhere, and I don't want people suffering because

1189
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,239
they're scared to share their experiences. You're going to feel

1190
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,320
crazy while you're talking about it. I feel crazy right now,

1191
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,519
and I've done. And this is the second time I've

1192
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:58,000
been here with VIC, and I still feel that way.

1193
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,480
But you know it's because these are supposed to be

1194
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,480
movie moms. This is supposed to be stuff you tell

1195
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,159
your kids to keep them in check, to keep them

1196
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:05,280
in bed when they're supposed to be in bed, and

1197
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,880
stuff like that. It's not supposed to be a living,

1198
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:11,000
breathing creature that walks and breathes the same air we do,

1199
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:15,079
on the same earth we do. It's not supposed to

1200
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,519
be that. It's supposed to be fantasy, and when you

1201
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,920
see one, it changes your life. So for those of

1202
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,000
you who are out there, if you are like Ali,

1203
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,880
learn from her experience and don't you don't want it.

1204
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:30,199
It changed her as much for too as she had,

1205
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,719
as much as she thinks she wanted it. I know

1206
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,360
it was a regret because of the look on her

1207
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,559
face and the fact that she was never the same

1208
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:38,400
after that. Because some of our friends who still used

1209
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,079
to hang out with her for at least a while

1210
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,760
until I kind of dipped out. You know. They told

1211
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,039
me she had never been different since she excuse me,

1212
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:50,239
she had never been the same since then. She'd been different, quieter, colder.

1213
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,960
She just wasn't wasn't the same person. Don't just be

1214
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,079
be thankful that you haven't, enjoy your peace in your life,

1215
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,480
and just be safe. There's no reason to go looking

1216
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,559
for these things, because the more you look for them

1217
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:12,400
and when you find them, you might be the unlucky

1218
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,119
soul who doesn't get to tell a story. Because I'm

1219
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,079
sure for every story that's told of these things, with

1220
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,400
as many of of them as there are, there are

1221
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,199
stories that will never be told because the person who

1222
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,800
experienced them is not here because they didn't get the

1223
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:27,119
I'm going to stare at you, they got your food.

1224
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,639
Don't do it. It's like with any wild animal. Please,

1225
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:37,679
if if anything from this video you listen to, Please God,

1226
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,519
listen to that. Don't don't do it. Just it's not

1227
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:45,039
worth it. There's no reason to do it. You don't

1228
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:48,800
need that be here for those of those who have

1229
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,159
suffered through living with this creature and having it haunt

1230
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,239
their lives and bother them. Do that that's how you

1231
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,199
can make your difference. That's how you can make your

1232
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,440
your stance. That's how you can stand there. But don't

1233
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:04,400
try to find it to prove a point. You know,

1234
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,159
if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe

1235
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,960
in it. That's fine. I'd rather you not believe and

1236
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,840
live your life completely free of it and have a long,

1237
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,719
prosperous life with you know, lots of kids and all

1238
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,440
the money you could stand to have, and every good

1239
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,039
thing that could possibly happen to you, you know, living

1240
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,280
be ripe and old and everything else. Then have one

1241
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,679
of these things come crashing into your life, because usually

1242
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,400
they don't leave, and when they show up, other things

1243
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,880
tend to to. There are plenty of stories of people

1244
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,400
who have experienced one and the thing and then they

1245
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,559
run into another one. And there's some terrifying accounts, you know,

1246
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,880
just on Dick's channel alone, where you know they they're

1247
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,599
not just you know, for lack of a better term, giant,

1248
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:49,400
you know, internet trolls that live out in the forest

1249
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,519
and try to bait your feelings. There's plenty of stories

1250
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:57,199
about them, you know, hurting people and doing things to

1251
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,599
hurt people and putting people in the bad position. So

1252
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,760
just be safe out there. You know, don't don't ever

1253
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,039
go camping without a firearm, don't ever go camping without

1254
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,159
tools to survive. Don't do any of that. And if

1255
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:12,400
there's places where people say they are, just don't go

1256
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,639
there or try not to, you know, don't live your

1257
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:18,760
life in fear, as Vic says. But like at the

1258
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,159
same time, don't be like, hey, yeah, I know there's

1259
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,480
dogmen in these woods over here because someone you know,

1260
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,400
told a story and they when they were a kid,

1261
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,519
and these things are out there. Just don't do it.

1262
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,760
It's not like a bear it, you know, it's not

1263
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,039
like you know, normal animals where there are things you

1264
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,360
can do to deter them. These things do not care.

1265
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,800
The case in point with this one that was messing

1266
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,360
with the car when we were in it. At any point,

1267
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,559
if it really wanted to, it could have it could

1268
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:46,360
have done it. I know it could have done it.

1269
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,239
You know, you just feeling it moved the car, you

1270
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,440
knew it could have done it. At the very at

1271
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,000
the very least, it would have been able to flip

1272
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:58,159
the car over, probably before we could react. So, you know,

1273
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,000
I think God every day that it didn't, you know.

1274
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:02,800
I thank God every day that I'm all right. But

1275
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,679
I'm still here that I'm here talking with Vic, and

1276
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,519
I'm telling my story. I don't go there anymore. I

1277
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,000
don't even drive down that road no more. I don't

1278
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:12,000
go anywhere near that road.

1279
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:14,039
Speaker 4: I'd rather take the commute through the frontage or the

1280
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,440
freeway or the highway, and it is dealing with road

1281
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,719
rage and slow times, then take a quicker route and

1282
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,400
have the risk of that thing coming out of the

1283
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,239
tree line trying to shoulder check my car.

1284
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: So that's about it. It's not as there's not as much.

1285
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,159
There's a lot there, but I don't think this as

1286
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,960
much as the last time. But I'm sorry I waited

1287
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,840
so long to reach out Vic, and I'm sorry guys

1288
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,320
that have been gone for so long, and for those

1289
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,639
again I've left behind because of this stuff to try

1290
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:49,880
and distance myself all these years. I'm sorry. I'm just

1291
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,679
trying to run. You know that I have my own

1292
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,679
slice of happiness, you know.

1293
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:58,079
Speaker 3: Oh, don't apologize for any of that. I mean, when

1294
01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,880
you reached out to me, it was the right time,

1295
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:02,599
because that was the time you determined that it was

1296
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,360
the right time to contact me. So now I'm just

1297
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,159
glad that you brought me up to speed. Having said that,

1298
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:11,639
I'm so sorry to hear that you have these new experiences,

1299
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,519
especially the one that happened that night in the car.

1300
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,679
There is one thing I do want to touch on, though,

1301
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,559
that you said. Everything that you said I totally agree

1302
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:25,400
with except one thing, and that is there being tons

1303
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,199
of credible, at least credible stories out there about these

1304
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,280
guys harming people. Now, I've said this who knows many

1305
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,440
times on the show. I'll never tell anyone that dog

1306
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:39,199
men are safe to be around. The best dog man

1307
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,280
encounter to have is the one that never happens in

1308
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,280
the first place. Because, yeah, I do believe that that

1309
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,440
these guys, given the right circumstances, will hurt people. But

1310
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:53,480
on the other hand, I think it's been clearly demonstrated

1311
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,480
over the years that as a whole, these guys are

1312
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:00,639
not wired by nature to just look for an opportunity

1313
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:04,760
to rip a person apart. But yeah, I do believe

1314
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,599
there are deviant dog men out there that are dangerous

1315
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:10,119
and if it get the opportunity, they will hurt and

1316
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,719
kill people. But I think those deviant dog men are very,

1317
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,159
very few and far between. I've gone over this before.

1318
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,440
Why do I come to that conclusion? Why have I

1319
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:23,599
come to that conclusion? Because I've literally spoken with thousands

1320
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,360
upon thousands of people who were in the perfect place

1321
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,239
for a dog man. They had encountered to do that too,

1322
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,239
but like you, they were allowed to leave without a scratch.

1323
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,000
Does that mean that it never happens where dog men

1324
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:41,800
harm people, where dog men kill people. Absolutely not. I

1325
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,599
fully believe that happens. I fully believe that they do

1326
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,480
harm people. I'd fully believe that sometimes they kill people.

1327
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:52,639
But my whole point, like I've said all along, is

1328
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:55,800
they are not They're clearly not wired by nature to

1329
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,760
be that way. The ones that happen to do that

1330
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:03,599
are just devo examples. So yeah, like I said, I

1331
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:07,800
agree totally with everything that you said, except that one

1332
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,119
idea that you put out there that, yeah, maybe you

1333
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:14,639
were trying to say that it's a fairly common thing

1334
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,039
for that to happen. I don't want to put words

1335
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:19,639
into your mouth, but my whole thing is, in case

1336
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:21,840
you were saying that, I wanted to make sure that

1337
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,199
you understood that I definitely don't agree with that.

1338
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't they're like any wild animal right this

1339
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,679
way I look at them now, I don't hate them

1340
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,440
like I used to. I'm still a little angry, but

1341
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,840
I mean, like, hey, it wouldn't be but you know,

1342
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,679
we came into its house and she took something from it,

1343
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,199
so I'm coming to my house. It's still something from me.

1344
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,119
They're going to get the worst of me too. And

1345
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:47,400
if that's the worst of that particular dog man, then

1346
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,199
I count myself blessed that it wasn't, you know, any

1347
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:54,519
angrier than it needed to be. Right. I don't want

1348
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:57,079
to make it sound and I apologize that probably it

1349
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,440
probably may it sound like something that is not I don't.

1350
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:03,599
I mean, there's there's plenty of accounts of these things

1351
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,760
right just existing in general. What I'm saying is that,

1352
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,480
you know, pushing them, going into their homes, taking their stuff,

1353
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,000
messing with them, poking, prodding, just being kind of a

1354
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:19,520
disturber of their piece, that could make you the one

1355
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,800
that gets gets the deviant. Right. That's because you never know,

1356
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,960
you can only take so much. I mean, same with

1357
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:29,840
any other wild animal like bears, wolves, you know, mountain lions.

1358
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,800
If you come into their space and you do things

1359
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,079
specifically disrupt their lives, and you're doing things that are

1360
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:39,920
going to set them off. Yeah, you're probably gonna get

1361
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,239
it worse than somebody who's just minding your own business

1362
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,439
and is getting a passing. Oh, I'm kind of interested

1363
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,000
in this person behavior, right, And it is clear that

1364
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,920
they fixate you know, plenty of the stories that you hear,

1365
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,880
you know, and even my experiences of kind of they

1366
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,600
have to fixate on people for whatever reason. I don't

1367
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,880
know what kind of weird, wacky logic they have, but

1368
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,319
you know, I'm not meant to understand, but I can

1369
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,039
respect them as a part of nature and that they

1370
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,560
have their place and I have mine. Like I said

1371
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,800
in the men, I don't blame them. I don't even

1372
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,680
blame myself for this one. This was this is one

1373
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,199
of those things that there was somebody in between us

1374
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:19,880
that kind of pit us on this path. I feel

1375
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:26,359
like this collision course, and you know, I can't be

1376
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,840
angry with it when it, for at least for my understanding,

1377
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,399
was defending its territory because any animal would act the

1378
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,439
same way. I guess. I guess I'm just saying, don't

1379
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,039
do as she did, because you never know, like we're

1380
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:46,039
all people. We all have different things to set us off,

1381
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,560
you know, differences is we don't have that kind of

1382
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,960
faral side to us like that, and animals they will

1383
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,000
react accordingly. So I don't know. I'm just grateful that

1384
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,640
it didn't decide that, you know, she had crossed a

1385
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,960
line that could not be uncrossed. I think scaring the

1386
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,399
actual scaring her half to death is probably all it

1387
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,279
wanted to do. And I'll be honest, if she went

1388
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,520
and since she went out there and messed with it stuff,

1389
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,840
I'm fairly certain it watched her do it the entire time.

1390
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,239
I'm fairly confident because I didn't leave where we were

1391
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:24,359
very much. You know, of course, you go to the

1392
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:26,319
bathroom back when you're getting ready to do a bathroom thing,

1393
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,600
when you're getting ready to go to the and do camping, right,

1394
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,960
which you know it happens. But I didn't leave our

1395
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:34,399
little area that we had designated. I didn't kind of

1396
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,560
go trapsing off that far. She wasn't far enough for

1397
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,359
where I couldn't hear her, but I couldn't see if

1398
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:42,600
anything was watching her while she was filling with its stuff.

1399
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,279
I didn't really want to go test fate, you know,

1400
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:47,960
and run into something weird like that.

1401
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,359
Speaker 3: But that's what I was saying, VICI, I see, thanks

1402
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:53,359
for clearing that up.

1403
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 2: Well.

1404
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 3: Having said that, Bryce, it's about time for us to

1405
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,439
call it before we do. I just want to thank

1406
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,600
you so much for coming on. And I wanted to

1407
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,479
see if he had any closing comments you want to

1408
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,319
put out there for us. It sounds like you've already

1409
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,520
done a really good job with the closing comments. But

1410
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,399
if there's anything else, please tell us.

1411
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:15,520
Speaker 2: Guys. Like I said earlier, just you know, VI's the same.

1412
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,560
He does this, I don't, you know, for us, like

1413
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:22,840
he can help. I said it my first time I

1414
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,359
was here and talking with him again. He managed to

1415
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,520
get me to feel at ease. He gave me some

1416
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,319
good advice. He's a good man, and he can take

1417
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:33,680
care of whatever it is that's ailing you, whatever demons

1418
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,840
these things have put in your head. So if you

1419
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,159
have experiences. This is the only reason I stepped forward

1420
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,439
is because I didn't want anybody who's here in Texas

1421
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,920
or further down south, who you know, feel like maybe

1422
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,439
they shouldn't be seeing things because most of these, at

1423
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,279
least from what I've always remembered happened further north. Don't

1424
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:52,319
just sit on it. You know that can help you.

1425
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,199
He can at least help you get these out of

1426
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:55,680
your heads, that we can live your life and be

1427
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,319
free of it. And we need each other when you

1428
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,760
see these things. It comes down to nobody's got understand

1429
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,720
the kind of shenanigans and pain that you're going through,

1430
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,840
or the thought process you know, from feeling you're crazy

1431
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,560
or there's something wrong with you, whatever it is. Whatever

1432
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,800
it is, I don't think any of us would anybody,

1433
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,720
but somebody who's seen it would understand that better outside

1434
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,319
of maybe Vic. And that's just because he's been with

1435
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,199
it for so long and done this for so long.

1436
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,159
I'm very thankful that I managed to run into him,

1437
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:30,079
and I'm very thankful that I managed to be given

1438
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,840
the privilege of being here to share my stories with

1439
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,960
you guys, and to have Vic help me in the

1440
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,239
ways he has. I wouldn't be where I am today

1441
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:40,199
in my life without him, be honest with you, I'd

1442
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:42,960
still be pulling jump change, working ranky dingk jobs. He

1443
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,079
was the one that gave me the hope for better

1444
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:48,159
and that I shouldn't let my experiences make me duck

1445
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:51,239
my head and hide. And I've tried to live up

1446
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:54,079
to the you know, the words that he gave me,

1447
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,359
and I tell myself them every day when I need them.

1448
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,319
So if you need somebody, he's here, please let him

1449
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:01,560
help you.

1450
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for the glowing words. That's awfully

1451
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,840
kind of you. But yeah, you give me way too

1452
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,800
much credit, you really do. I just try to help

1453
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,119
that witnesses the best I can come to terms with

1454
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,479
their encounters, and yeah, that's all that I do. But

1455
01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:19,600
thanks again so much, and have a great night.