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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Five years ago. On
April twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Tonight's guest was featured
on episode three oh one, and that episode was titled
dog Me and Horror Show. Well, since that episode aired,
there have been new developments and because of that, he's
agreed to come back on and update all of us
about what's been going on. Having said all that, Bryce Gardner,
thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Vick, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Well, that goes two ways. I'm glad to hear from you,
or I say I was glad to hear from you
when you reached out to me recently to update me.
But I'm so sorry that you've had all these new experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too. You think you get away from
things and they somehow managecreet back in. But it wasn't
through any fault of mine, and I don't think it
was from any fault of theirs either, to be honest,
But I'm sure we'll get into that soon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we definitely will. Well before we do
get to things like that. For anyone who missed that episode,
and I guess for people who did catch that episode,
it's been five years, please give us a bio on
yourself again.
Speaker 2: My name is Bryce Gardner. As you've said, well, I'm
thirty one now. Because it's been five years, I'm thirty
one now. I am currently in a much better state
of employment. I can't share anything ause of NDAs and
stuff like that, but trust assured everybody, I'm doing fine
currently in the Gulf Coast of Texas. Now. We moved
I believe it was a little bit after our interview,
which was something that we were planning on doing as
a family, because you know, Dad's job kind of gave out,
uh and they basically toldly moved down here, and so
we came with them, and you know, because of world events,
we got stuck. And it's kind of just been that
way ever since. There's I mean, there's not a whole
lot to say outside of I've gotten back into physical
training and stuff like that to get my body all
back up and rights and everything after years of kind
of neglecting that, so I'm doing good on that front.
I'm healthy, I'm as happy as I suppose one could be.
I don't know really what else to say. I'm sorry,
I'm not quite good at talking about myself.
Speaker 3: Oh come on, now, you did a good job of
summing everything up. And yeah, like I told you the
first time we spoke, I'm proud of you. Sounds to
me like you're doing a really good job of getting
your life just the way you wanted to be. You've
made some really good improvements. You really have a right
thank you, Vic.
Speaker 2: It means a lot to me, especially coming from you,
because a lot of your advice is what kind of
got me to some of the places I ended up
being the good, the good places, the good, the good places.
Of course, none of the shenanigans that was that one
was all me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for clarifying that it was only the good places.
You had me starting to worry there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I listened to your advice, I don't think
I would end up what I was with when it
all happened. So uh, that was just kind of a
blind side moment, pretty face, nice smile kind of thing.
Gets y'all messed up and your innobitions kind of go
away sort of thing.
Speaker 2: That's a me thing. Not taking control, as I believe
was the advice you gave me and making sure that
you're always aware of what's going on. So I should
have kept my little VIC that lives in the back
of my mind somewhere and reminds me occasionally of things
that we talked about last time and this time too,
life advice that you gave me that has helped quite
quite a lot.
Speaker 3: You've got a little VIC in the back of your head.
That's a scary thought.
Speaker 2: But he's lived back there. He just occasionally comes out
reminds me of the things we talked about, like, hey,
you know, you got to do this, this and this
and then things will get better kind of thing. He
was there and very active when this was going on,
because you know, when you run into these things, there's
nothing more terrifying than seeing one. And you know, it's
like with any animal that's dangerous and can harm you,
and there's not a whole lot between you and them.
That's say, it's a very terrifying experience. If I kind
of spoke with you beforehand and I had to just
muscled it through it and you know, swallowed it like
I did. I don't think I would have handled it
the way I did. I don't think things would have
gone as well as they did all things considered, well,
it goes.
Speaker 3: Without saying I'm so sorry to hear you had to
have these new experiences, but I guess there is a
ray of sunshine in that you handled you in a
very good way, or at least as well as could
be hoped, So thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: We'll see if I handle it as good once I
go into Like we didn't discuss it at length before,
and it's primarily just me not wanting to have it
relived it. But I did all right, but I still
think I could have done better. It's one of those
things that's always in hindsight when you look at these experiences,
but in the moment of adrenaline, there's not a whole
lot you can really do to kind of steer that
particular ship.
Speaker 3: Well. I can appreciate your feelings on that, but you
could handle any situation better. I just think you deserve
a lot of credit for handling the situations as well
as you did. From what you shared with me about
what's happened. But before we get to that, just a
moment ago, you mentioned a pretty face and a nice smile.
Before I have you bring everyone up to speed on
what you talked about in episode three oh one, please
go into more detail about that pretty face and nice
smile that cause some unfortunate things to happen without revealing
any details of the new encounters that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course. So I'm for everybody. I'm sure that
everybody understands the saying. But I met a girl at
the time, she was very beautiful. I mean, she is
very beautiful. I should say, uh, we don't speak anymore
because of the events that happened. But she was not
who I thought she was. She had become enamored, well,
she was enamored with the paranormal and like cryptids and
everything else from the start, which I didn't think was
a big deal. But tons of people are. And I
always refer people to VIC Channel just because you know,
if people have experiences and stuff like that, or know
somebody you know, giving getting them the help is kind
of what matters. It's kind of like you have a
I have I have a buddy who claims, for example,
that he's had a big foot encounter, so referring him
to you know, like the big foot encounters and stuff
like that, it's just a place for them to go
get it off their chest because holding on to it.
As I've learned, and as victored with me last time
we heard, it's not healthy and it can cause a
lot of problems, especially if it's really traumatic. It's really bad.
They're not easy to talk about. I don't normally stammer
or catch myself like this because even now it's it's
a lot to process, even even with the knowledge I
have now and where I am in life now, it's difficult.
And she was enamored with it. My mistake was introducing
her to VIC show, not because Vic's bad or anything
like that or it shows bad, but because she she
listened to my episode, listened to other people's episodes, and she,
for a lack of a term, decided she wanted one.
She wanted one of her own. It's the I saw
something cool and I wanted to and she went over
and beyond to get it. And this is one of
these situations that you play silly games to win silly prizes,
and unfortunately I happened to be there when the prize
was won, and I mean webet about six between six
to eight months. I haven't dated since, just life hasn't
allowed for it, And be honest with you, I'm not
really looking. I don't really think I'm particularly cut out
for it kind of thing. But that's a side note,
not really that important. But she's kind of the catalyst
behind all of this. She is the I don't want
to lay blame at her feet because I don't think
she realized the gravity of it at the time. I
don't think she realized what she was doing, and even
if she maybe thought she did, I don't think she
realized how bad it was going to get. It's kind
of like one of those situations where you antagonize an
animal enough, even if it is an intelligent animal, it's
going to lose its patience. And I'm kind of confident
that's what happened. Granted, I don't know how long everything
had been going on, right, I don't, And there's a
lot of things I still don't know, and I don't
think I ever will know, and I don't know if
I want to know. But she's the She's the kind
of girl where she saw a spooky doll that looked
like it crawled right out of Annabel and dumped and
jumped into the dumpster. Go get it and haul it
out despite my protest woah, because I didn't want the
thing in the car because it was terrifying. So she's
that kind of She's that kind of girl. She's crazy rowdy.
It was fun while it lasted. We had a brilliant
thing that burned out quickly, as most bright and brilliant
flames do, you know, But that's I best the sum
up alley in a nutshell.
Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness it did burn out. At the time,
it might have been frustrating, but everything you told me
about her, I'm so glad it did. If you've had
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Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, I'll
tell you what, Bryce, We have a lot to unpack here,
so first I want you to please give us a
fly over of all the experiences you told us about
in episode three oh one to bring us all up
to speed, and then after you do that, please just
dive right end updating us on what happens since.
Speaker 2: So in three oh one we discussed when I was
a kid, I saw one when we went up to
the Native American reservation. We ran to some where, well,
we ran into the signs of one and my teacher's
dog was freaking out and the bus on the way home.
We were like in fourth grade. We went up there
to do a project. We went up there to learn,
you know, about their culture and everything like that, which
is really cool experience. I would never trade for anything.
I still loved the little mask I made too, which
is goofy looking, but you know, you sunfire seeds for
teeth kind of thing, because you had to use what
you had. But it was her project. It was cool,
cool stuff. I would never trade it. And then at
that point we spoke about the big encounter, which was
the one we went down to that dilapidated house that
was outside of the town we lived in, which is
air Force. It was, well, it's not there anymore, so
it's been taken down. As I've as I've heard recently,
if you're friends that live out in Force Grow, It's
it's been, it's been taken down. As of now, the
house does not exist, at least as far as they know.
I think that they were talking about rebuilding it and
someone had bought the land. But like two years ago
I heard that they had finally, you know, gotten rid
of it completely. There was nothing left of it. But
we spoke about that, and we spoke about the kind
of the long term effects and like how it felt
and everything like that, and a lot of the I
want to clos side coasters, but a lot of the
like nightmares that kind of came along with it, and
the stigma, not the stigma, the mental blocks that came
with it. There were a lot of things that you know,
you think you're crazy when you see stuff like this.
You develop coping mechanisms that may or may not be healthy.
You know, vices like alcohols, smoking, you name it, things
that are there to kind of take the edge off,
like any traumatic memory. But I don't know if these
are related. I say that to everybody audience. If you're
if you if you're hoping that she makes your return.
The female dog Man that I ran into I. I
don't think it was. It could be. I don't know.
I don't know. Uh, I didn't. I couldn't really tell
with this one. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
I was. There's a lot more I was focused on
than it. We didn't have that that moment of intimate
eye locking that me and the first one did where
I got a good look at it. This was a
lot different. So, uh, apologies in advance. It could be,
but I don't. I don't think it was her mainly
be just because the fur was different from what I
could see. It didn't look the same. So I guess
where it really started was well, shortly after Aliy and
I started dating. We'd we've been driving around, talking, been
showing me around because we'd moved and so I was new.
I didn't know where anything was, and we had gone
quite a while without this being brought up. And then
she started talking about it, which, of course, you know,
I learned that a lot of the people I met
here had fascinations with this stuff. A lot of the
friends I made actually listen, believe it or not, to
this very show, and I didn't I didn't know up
until you know again after everything had been gone down,
because I didn't talk to him as much about this
kind of stuff. It's not something that comes up in
conversation often, at least not in I guess our day
to day Ali and I I had her listen to
the episode that had been three oh one, and then
I'm sure she went listen to the others on her
own time, because you know, it's one of those things
once you live it, like coming back and listening to it.
Sure is, it's always good and I'm always here. Despite
not saying much, I am. I do listen to several
episodes when I have time, but with work and I
think it's difficult. So she went and kind of was
doing research. And I assume it's because I told her
that sometimes I still I do have nightmares of the experience,
even though I'm not. I don't want to say I'm
completely over it, but it was one of those things
that every now and then, you know, something happens in
your life and then I guess your mind wanders is
the best way to put it. It haunts you long
after they're gone. And whether that's the dog Men has
some ability to do that. I've heard many people claim
that they have that ability where they can kind of
stay with you. It sticks with you, or it's just
the mind trying to rationalize it, or something happened that
kind of brings you back, whatever the significance is, I
warned her. You know, sometimes I'll wake up. I don't
get weird. I don't like scream or anything. It's just
cold sweat, you know, you sit up, kind of have
to go get some water, you know, walk around a
little bit. It didn't help that she had land, her
her family had land, her her father had farmland and everything,
quite a bit of it. So going out there and
if I were to ever visit or anything like that,
it is just a lot of land, a lot of space,
which granted I'm a country kid, but you know, big
empty land where there's not a whole lot of stuff
and there's trees and everything else with things to hide
in kind of become the bane of my existence. I'm
always looking to see if there's something moving there shadows
things that aren't right, partly because you know, keeping your
eyes on your surroundings is kind of an important thing,
especially when you're out in something else's house where you're
not in control. But we went out to friends Wood
for the Renaissance Fair, which is where we started noticing
that there were odd happenings. Ali had dressed up as
a shaman, right She had gone and gotten an outfit
looked like looked like she was an American shaman. It
was really cool. It was actually really cool to see
will it really well put together. But she had all
these these I don't want to call them she had.
She had talismans and stuff which were apparently legitimate, and
they're from her. They're actually family things like the little
I don't want to call them opal but I'm not
quite sure what they're called, you know, the little sea
foam jade looking things. She had a bunch of those.
I can't even think of their name right now. I
could probably google it and figure it out, but I
just I don't remember what they're exactly called. But they're
basically beads and stuff like that. She had furs and everything,
and she was really big in the taxidermy, so she
did have some skulls. Now, I don't know if they
were real or not, but they looked real enough for me.
They just didn't have any scent or anything like that.
But basically we walked around. We did our thing, but
I couldn't help but feel like we were being watched.
I mean, it's the rest once the fair. There's stuff
going on everywhere. But you know, Ali was determined to
avoid the big crowds because she doesn't like people, like
a lot of people fair enough, I'm not a big
crowd person either, right, but skirting around the outside of
it kind of kind of drugged my attention to what
was going on because we were staying very close to
the woodline, to the tree line and everything like that.
And I remember they had this elephant there for elephant riots,
and it was getting frisky. It was not happy. He
didn't really do anything, but it was definitely getting It
was being very loud compared to when we first arrived,
and that day while we were having lunch and everything,
we sat away from everybody and we're kind of off
into the trees. I do this thing now if I'm
having like a picnic or something, where I'll watch the
tree line as I'm eating, like because look for any
subtle shifts or anything. And I've started doing this a
lot because we have a lot of like wild boarder here.
There's you know, I watched a alligator or as we
call them, a swamp puppy. It come out and grab
some kids power wheel out of park because it was
near one of the docks, so I've seen there. We
have wildlife enough to be concerned about. Coyotes here are
pretty brazen too, so it's always good to kind of
keep your eyes open because you never know when some
guy decides to throw a sandwich out in the woods
and something decides that wants to bite kind of thing,
you know, And my primary concern is her and keeping
her like that's my objective at this stage, because if
something's coming, you know, I'd rather get me than her
kind of thing. And I remember looking out there and
I remember seeing something move. At the time, I didn't
know what it was. I thought it was just a
really big dog, which sounds really funny given the fact
of you know where I am now and the things
that seemed before. But you know, there are dogs all
over the well, not all over the place, but there
were dogs. Again, we have coyotes, have all sorts of
things out here, So assuming that it is that off
the cuff, I felt would be wrong. It did strike
me as odd because of where it was standing and
the fact that it was facing toward me, which I
remember looking at it and seeing the side of it
so that you could see it peeking around the corner
of the tree, and it looked like it was just
kind of looking as if it had its head caught
towards you a little bit, so it looked like it
could have just had its head turned to the side
and was looking at you. Just couldn't see the rest
of it from where it was standing or how I
was standing. But it's the fact that it purposely kept
half of its face hidden. You can only see part
part of its ear and part of its neck, and
the way its head was turned, so it was kind
of hard to see where exactly its body would be.
And it sat there for a long time, but it
was far enough out where I couldn't really discern the details.
It was just dark, had dark fur, and it had
very very very opulent gold eyes like these were very
large golden eyes, and well, I say amber eyes, but
I always say their gold because when the sun was
hitting it just right, it looked gold, you know. I
watched it for a long time while she was talking
with some of the people we went with and everything
like that, and eventually I actually saw it turn and
kind of head off in its own direction, like it
left right, and it didn't didn't make too much noise,
It didn't do anything malicious. I didn't see it do
atypical what I would expect after my experiences with the
the last one that we saw, where it can kind
of smile. I don't know if I had to explain it,
but it kind of it looks like it's smiling. But
I never got the feeling that it had fully left,
you know what I mean, Like I never felt like
it had vacated the premises. I felt like it was
more skirting around opportunistically looking for something to do. I
think it was bored because looking back at it the
whole day, I was on edge after that, like I
just couldn't. I wasn't gonna bring up in front of
our friends and our peers and everything like that I did.
I certainly didn't want to bring it up in front
of her because she was having a good time and
she just tucked me to every single shop all the while.
I'm trying to like keep an eye out because I'm
for lack of air term on edge because you know,
if it was if it was as big as I
thought it might be. Even if it were just a coyo.
It's big, is big enough to where I even by itself,
it'd be a problem if it was, you know what.
My gut was starting to tell me what it might
have been, which I didn't think was possible. Didn't even
think they would come this far south. I thought that,
you know, down in the Gulf Coast, that these things
didn't exist. I figured it was mostly the northwest and
more northern areas. But you know, again, after Vic and
I talked last night, looking back at it, we have
enough of a population of food sources for something like
that to survive comfortably, you know, from alligators to bores
to everything else. So maybe it was just foolish optimism
to believe that it couldn't be. And I spent a
long time saying that to myself, that it couldn't be.
There's no way, What are the odds, It's impossible. You
know this stuff you tell yourself to try and make
sense of the situation. You know, it's it's heck, you
have one encounter. What are the It's like lightning striking,
isn't It can't strike in the same place twice, right, Like,
how are odds of that? And was I wrong? Was
I wrong? We came home, you know, I went home,
She went home For a while. We were working at
the same place until I eventually left. So that way
we wouldn't have to worry about it, which is why
we weren't worried about dating and everything, because I was
moving on to a different job, a better job. That
was when I was rocking my my suit and ponytail
Combovic he would have been proud of me. Was sell
the fragrance for a while, making the big bucks on
the commissions. It was a good job. It was a
fun job. I do kind of miss it. But she
called me one day when I was on shift, right,
I was on lunch, and she told me that something
had damaged their fences on their farm. Like, okay, what
do you mean something damage your fences around your farm?
Like what are we talking about? What are we trying
to damage? Is something dig under it? There's something true
on it? Like what are we talking about? Cause you know,
coyotes if they want to get in maybe all sorts
of stuff to get into fences if they can't get
over it. So if they can't get over it they'll
go under. It doesn't look like something to that. She's like, no,
something actually just kind of busted through the fence a
little bit like it looks like something pushed through the fence.
So I was like, okay, because this is like two
weeks later now to put in respective friends what is
about two hours from us technically because we have to
cut through Houston. We live in League City now. She
lives in friends Wood, but she lives up in the
part of friends With where her dad has land. Now,
whether they still have that land, I don't know. I
haven't spoken to her, and I have no idea the
state of her family or anything like that. So the guys,
I can't answer that. I don't know. But at the
time she hit, they had a decent amount of land
and a nice house, a very nice house, and her
calling me when her dad is there because her dad's
one of the biggest guys I've ever met. Like he's
just big, you know, his forum is this is like
worth twice of mine. And I'm not a small dude,
but he's just got barrels for forms. He's a big guy,
his strong dude. I respect him a lot. He he
didn't want to necessarily deal with it alone, and he
didn't want her out there with him, right, So I
go over there and we to check it out, and
it does look like something had pushed through the fence,
like if you put your weight on like a fence,
like a small wooden fence, and you're trying to break
it down, and you put your weight down on it
to kind of bend it forward. Is what it looked like.
But it almost looks like someone didn't fully do it,
and it was bent inward, which was a little concerning.
And we found dog tracks, big ones, and my heart
sank because he was telling me it's a coyote, you know,
and I know he could see that I was visibly.
I'm gonna be honest, I was. I was kind of
a coward a little bit. I didn't want to be
there anymore. I wanted to get the heck out of there.
I wanted to leave. I did not want to be
there anymore. I did not feel comfortable there. I did
not want to have any part of it. I was like, Nope,
that's too big to be a county. There's no way
that's a coyote. Now, granted it could have been, I
guess you know, they do get big. But my head
space then wasn't on the rational explanation. Mike said, space
was like, okay, so we had something watching us at
the Renaissance Fair like two weeks ago, and now I
got this. There's no way these are a coincidence because
I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not gonna sit here
and tell myself and lie to myself because I did
that once before and look where that ended up. I'm
just I'm gonna remove myself because I know we talked
about a little bit in three oh one, as I
think we did. I could be wrong, but I think
we did where I told you. I feel like I'm
magnet to some of stuff, cause weird stuff doesn't just
happen around me a lot. You know, I did a
lot of time living up in the Northwest. Sorry, I'm
getting a little bit, uh, I'm getting a little bit spooked,
and I'll get into that minute and why. But I've
always kind of had this thing where weird stuff just
tends to kind of happen or around me, not to
me specifically, but around me. You know, weird things, if
it could happen, it will, And so living here up
until that point, I had had to deal with any
of that. Right there, there was none of that. There
was no like, I can't tell you how peaceful and
how happy I was, how peaceful. It was. None of that.
It was just normal, day to day living, normal stuff.
No weird things, no dogmen, no paranormal or anything. Nothing
that's unexplainable that you have to just go, well, that
happened nothing. It was just me working, giving money, spending
time with her, and you know, going out occasionally getting
drinks with my friends. Right very simple, very easy, and
I felt invaded a little bit, like I had kind
of left, not only for my parents, but because I
wanted a fresh start feet away from it all, you know.
And I was like, okay, well, you know, I left
a life behind to start a new one, and now
you're here right now. Now you're coming into my space
where I made for myself away from all that, to
get away from a home of it. And because I
have cousins who are Native American, they're really distant, but
like they live up there and I don't get to
see them anymore, talk to them very much anymore, which
I've kind of just started doing now, you know. Over
the last couple of months. Recently, I've started just reaching
out to them to get a hold of them because
at this point, like looking back at it, it was
foolish of me to distance myself. It's just that my
cousins were, you know, into all that stuff. And again,
I feel like, if you, if you invite it into
your life, like if you're interested in it and you
and this is a me thing, this is a and
that I'm probably wrong in thinking like this, but I
always think like, if you give something power, if it's
like if you say its name, if you acknowledge it,
if you open yourself to it, you know, you invite
that thing in, You give it an in, you give
it a way to come into your life and invade
it regardless of whether you want it to or not.
And I didn't want that, you know, so I wanted
to remove all the possibility possibilities of somebody else being
you know, or attracting it so it wouldn't affect me
and I would and I was hoping that that would
take care of it all and I wouldn't have to
worry about it. Probably was wrong, and looking back, it
was selfish a little bit, you know. They didn't deserve that,
but it was just me trying to get a clean slate.
So I was a coward a little bit in that regard.
And for them, if they listen to this, if they
do listen to this, to all the people that I
had kind of walked away from to trying to preserve
some sense of peace, I'm sorry. It wasn't ever about you.
It was nothing you did. I just didn't want it.
I didn't want it to come back because I was
afraid that if it came back, it wouldn't leave. And
I'm convinced that it probably hasn't. There are things that
you know looking back that yeah, I'm pretty sure there's
one near here. But I've segued enough. I'm sorry. I've
kind of gone way off guilty with this a little bit.
We we went a while without hearing anything, right, so
nothing came of it. The fence was fixed, it didn't
look like anything. They did have a chicken or two
go missing, but but nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. We we
went a couple more months, and so there's this road
that goes from League City or I guess through League
City kind of that's not quite a freeway or a highway,
but it's it's a it's a large long stretch of
road that goes through like a couple of miles, well
not queuple of miles, but quite a quite a few
many miles of nothing ally told me was dead men's past.
Now to give you guys a history lesson as to
what that is. It is an area where there's a
lot of like unsolved crime that goes on there. There's
there are people you know there have been and then
this isn't to get graphic or anything, but they have
they have found bodies out there back way back when,
like way way back when Kyries live out there, while
boor live out there. It is a wooded area of
trees that kind of tangle around almost like thorn bushes
kind of, and it's just wilderness. It's just tons and
tons of wilderness. And I'm pretty sure part of the
reason why it's never been buldozed over at taking care
of is a lot of it's kind of like bogland.
There's a lot of marshy parts of it, and there's
just not a lot you could probably do with it
right safely, so it's just kind of left to its
own devices. And it's huge. It's huge. Well, Ali and
I used to go out there, and that was our
liked'll get away camping area. I know that sounds really dumb,
like it does like it sounds really dumb, but like
you know, she had gone out there tons of times
from what she told me, and I trusted her. You know,
we got months with anything happening. I'm like, okay, maybe
I'm just being paranoid again. She had a pretty face,
pretty brown eyes, and a smile that could watch my
any war you have kind of thing. And so when
she tells me, you know, trust me, we're fine, I
chose to trust her. She'd been out there, her parents
had gone out there, she'd gone through friends camping, she'd
been out there, she'd been trapsing through those little wood
wooded areas for years and years and years, and so
I trusted that we'd be fine. So we drove a
car down into this like a littlebankment area and came
down well on embankment, but basically into this little path
right where you know, a few cars. It was clear
people had come down here occasionally. It was not a
man made path necessarily, but it was one made overwear
and tear kind of thing. You ever make camping, you
know what I'm talking about kind of thing where it's
just kind of matted down, the grounds clear because you know,
tires and god knows what else has come through here
and made it kind of a pit path. And there
was this little area which is kind of clear where
the branches didn't come down as low and everything like that.
You can kind of see the sky up above. It
was really pretty. It was a beautiful place. They even
had some wild flowers out there that grew. They were
they were beautiful, and we were going to stay the
night there. I can almost feel myself screaming at me,
why would you do that? I know it's it's dumb,
but we were young. You know, we were in love,
or at least I thought we were in love, and
you know, there were, for lack of better terms and
intentions for the evening, and we were getting comfortable for
the evening and just kind of relaxing, and we had
gotten a kind of a fire going outside. You know,
I cut some firewood, made a little area with some
rocks and everything where we could put it out easily
so we'd have some natural light rather than the lights
from the car. And we were just kind of preparing
to kind of turn in. I was. I had made
a CD for her, my own mixed CD of various songs,
which was just kind of like the cuddle playlist for
lack of a better term, where you just kind of
like lay there and watch the star sort of thing,
and that was the goal. She wasn't in acoverable or
anything like that. So we're gonna have to y out
to do that part. But we were in the car
because of other reasons, which I'm not about to get into.
But she stops me, you know, after we you know,
we'd started getting all cozy, and told me that she
didn't feel right that, you know, and she sat up
and I was like, well, what do you mean to you? You
don't feel right? She's like, don't you're always the one
that's so paranoid. What do you mean? What do you
What do I mean? Do you not feel off? Like
we're being watched? And so I sat up and I
was like, okay, well, you know, we we had earlier
seen you know, some old tents stuff like that. We
assumed that it might be homes some homeless folks that
had come out here occasionally because they kind of roam around.
If you've been in Texas, there's there's quite a not
there's not a lot of them, but there's there's quite
a few. So it didn't like it didn't even dawn
on me that like she meant something else. So of
course I just kind of like locked the doors to
the car because I'm I'm way too distracted to think
straight at this stage. This is when when little Vick
should have started screaming, but he didn't quite get there yet.
He wasn't awake. I guess I hadn't given him his coffee.
But then it got really wrong, really quick. There were
birds out before they were quiet, and the air felt thick,
like you know when you feel like you're in trouble,
or if you ever come home and you know, you
know mom and dad are gonna be mad at you,
and you're just kind of walking that walk, that long,
tension filled walk where you don't want to go in
the house. It felt like that, but it felt like
that everywhere, like there was no getting away from it.
And I'd never seen Alie scared. Ali was that country
girl who just didn't get afraid. She wasn't afraid of anything.
I've seen her square up with people that were twice
my size, right, big scary guys that you know, even
I might give a second glance. And she just didn't care.
She just did not care. And because of that, I
I don't know, it was just watching her her face
kind of get to where she's like, I don't know
what it is, but I don't like you here. We
should we should go. And I'm like, okay, well, let's
put out the fire and everything. And as I go
to reach for the door, the car alerches a little
bit a lot, but a little bit enough to wear
for like something put weight on it. And I'm sitting
there kind of going, okay, well that wasn't you, and
that wasn't me. And so I look outside and I'm
expecting to see some some goober sticking his face against
the window making weird eyeballs at us or something. I'm
expecting anything at this stage other than what I saw,
which was a close up of that eye that I
had seen at the Renaissance Fair, and it was just
staring at us. And and I can't tell you, I
cannot express you how cold I got because it didn't
look at us like oh what's this. It was almost
like it looked at us as if it were amused
that we thought we had gotten away, because it had
that kind of curve to it, like when you smile
when you're you're kind of happy, whether you're happy to
see somebody or something else. And it was almost like, ah,
there you are. And I could almost feel my heart
in my throat because you know, before, when I was
a kid, when this happened, it was me and my
silly friends who were doing stupid things that you should
have been doing, and going places at our parents tould
is not to go. If something had happened, we would
have deserved it. We went looking, and at the time,
I was like, we weren't even We're not even where
you should be. You shouldn't even be here. And all
I can think about, you know, is is Ali. I'm
kind of glancing over my shoulder and I'm facing it.
I turned around to face it. I'm glancing over my
shoulder and she is as pale as a ghost, and
she's just sitting there with her mouth open, staring at
this thing. And you know, I'm thankful that she's not
screaming yet, that she's not freaking out. And then its
head raises and it purposely did this, you know, looking back,
And I only know because of the nightmare I had
last night after talking about it with you, where I
kind of got moments where I got to, you know,
see or kind of relive parts of it. But I
never realized that it didn't intentionally. And I can't say
it didn't because there's no reason why it wouldn't have.
It raised its snoun and I mean, this thing's dark,
so it's either dark brown or it's black one or
the other. It's it's dark. It's very dark furred, so
it could have raised its head and not done anything else.
But the moon was coming out just a little bit.
It wasn't a full moon. It was like I think,
a waning cresset, I think, but we had moonlight, and
it raised steps so we could see its teeth, and
it opened its mouth and curled its lips back, not
like it was smiling, but just as if it was
showing off what it had, you know. Which that's what
finally got Ali to freak out, was the gravity of it.
And she went and made a sound. And I can't
tell you how fast I shimmied behind her and grabs
her and put my hand over her mouth because I
didn't want to give it any reason to think that
punching its way through that window or ripping that car
door off was a good idea. I didn't want it
to think that. I wanted it to either be bored
and leave, or for it to give me a way
to use the axe I cut the wood with that
was in the floorboards. At least one good swing. That's
all I could think of. If I could just get
one swing, even if it were to pull me out
of this car, at least, at least then I could
maybe she could get out of here, Because all I
could think about again was you know, I got to
get her out of here. I got to get her
out of here. This is my fault. I brought this thing.
This is my fault. It would been years, years and
years and years and years since anything had happened, even
before I spoke with you, and I just couldn't help
but blame myself. It was my fault. I did this.
This was me, all me. Now. She was in danger
because of me, and that I remember we talked about
it and the last time I was here, But that
anger that I felt the first time it was so
much more palpable now because I went from being scared
to being just furious. You know, I had given up everything,
I'd walked away, I had left, I'd started a new
life for myself. I was happy, and this thing from
my nightmare is, this thing from my memories decided it
was going to come crawling back to life and just
refuse to let itself die. It just wouldn't stay away
from me, and I was, you know, to the point
where it was like, if you want me, just come
get me then, Like, if that's how we want to
play this game, just do it already. What are you
waiting for? What's the purpose? Why are you just standing
there outside the car? Do something? Which is really dumb
of me to say, like again, I'm not thinking. I know,
I wasn't thinking. I wasn't wasn't using any of the
brains that I have. I was just angry. And you know,
whether I was justified or not, it was still really
dumb on my part because if she hadn't been there,
I may have done something really stupid like go to
you know, get out and just say, well, let's just
do it then. If that's what you want, you destroyed
everything once, let's just get it over with and you
can destroy the rest of it, because I was just
that mad. And I remember this was the only time
because Ali and I had this really weird thing where
I didn't really have to worry about her, so I
typically didn't get in that position of you know, you're
going to listen to me, and you know she's trying
to protest my hands on her mouth, like you're going
to listen to me, and you're not going to make
a sound. We're not going to make. This is as
much sound as we're going to make. I'm whispering to
her now. So we're going to let this thing circle
around the car, and we're just going to keep her
eyes on it as best we can. You have your
dad's you have your dad's gun in the glove box.
You're smaller than me. You're going to get up the
front seat, and you're going to get it just in case, right,
just in just in case. You're not going to do
anything with it. We're not going to do anything. But
it's smart enough where it will know what we're doing.
And I'm going to grab that axe and if something happens,
no matter what happens, no matter what it does, get
the keys, get in the driver's seat and get ready,
no matter what it does. Is exactly what I told her,
no matter what it does, because she's starting to panic,
and I can see the changes and the cogs in
her mind trying to process what she's saying, which is
the same thing I know that I probably did as
a child. Where the cogs are trying, you're trying to
make sense of what you're seeing. You're trying to rationalize it, like,
oh my god, it's actually real. It's not something that
people talk about online. For clout, it's not that. This
is a living, breathing thing. And as we're doing this,
as we're having this, we're I'm pulling her with me
as I'm rotating with this thing as it passes by
the back window. This thing is huge. It's bigger. It
has to be bigger than the one that I before.
It's arms were longer, and you can see them, just
barely through the dim light of the fire and the moon.
You can see it's muscles flexing. This thing could could
punch me in half, like it would juice me. There'd
be nothing left it just it goes straight through me
like butter, like a hot knife, your butter. I already
know there's nothing I can do to stop it, but
my head's my head. My head canon at the time
was I could slow it down. At the very least,
I could do something to slow it down, and maybe
I can make it think twice, making if it you know,
if I can make it bleed, that's all I care
about at this stage, if it comes in this car,
because I'm not going to let you have her kind
of thing. I just won't let you do it. And
so I had that grounding me and keeping me focused
despite how angry I was, how out of control it was.
My head started hurting again like it did back when
I was a kid, you know. I started getting those
weird moments of just flashes of red like I'm it's
it's all happening again. I'm trying to keep myself grounded
for her because I don't want and I don't want
her to see me pop off like that. I'm not
that guy. I don't want to be that guy. I
don't want to be that right. So there's the fear
of if, if this thing does, if this goes south
and everything, the last thing she'll probably see of me
because I'm gonna go jumping on jumping on the scene.
If he tries to come through the car, I'm gonna
jump on it and try to get away from her.
Uh and it's probably gonna pull me out and and
that's gonna be it. The last thing she's gonna see
me is me going absolutely ballistic on this thing for
the three seconds I'm gonna have. And you know, there's
there's a part of my mind that thinks it's pretty
funny the idea that this thing is sticking head in
the car after breaking through the window and it just
get bit it get bit back. You know that i'd
bite him back, Like how does that feel like when
you bite your dog when it's when it's being bad
and you bite him back and the dog just kind
of looks at you. There's a part of me that
wants to have that humor in there, to think that
we'd have a moment there before it decided to eat
me or finish me off, that it would be like,
did you just really have the audacity to bite me back?
But that's just me trying to make I don't know,
I don't know why I'm laughing. I don't know, I
I it's just it's just the only way I have
the kind of cope with it a little bit because
I don't know. But this thing circled on the car,
and it just kept circling around it, and it would
slow down whenever there was a larger windows, as if saying, yeah,
I could get you here, or I could get you here.
And it come back to the side, and every now
and then it would dut its head down to look
at us again, and you know, it would give her
a glance, but it would focus in on me. It
would look at me, and that's what I wanted it
to do, so I was thankful that it was. It was,
you know, in my head, I'm telling you, yeah, look
at me, look at me, don't look at her, look
at me. And then it leaned up against the car
and it pushed it a little bit to the side.
Now when I say pushed a little the side, we
felt the car move a little bit. It didn't try
to do anything, but I think it was. I think
it was trying to show us what it could do,
right like, oh, look, with you in this thing, I
can move it, So what are you going to do?
This whole thing was just it squaring up, I'm pretty sure.
And then it just kind of left whether it got bored.
You know, I'm at this point, I have the axe
in my hands, and I'm making sure it can see it.
You know. I wanted to know that I have something
I want it to know just like it. I know
it has teeth and claws, and it's stronger than me,
and bigger than me, and faster than me, and heck,
it might even be smarter than me. At this point,
I don't know. You know, there were a few times
where it gave the handles a test, you know, and
so I knew it knew what handles were, It was
aware of how to open a cardor so, you know,
I knew it fully knew how to get to us
if it wanted to. But I wanted to make sure
that it was very much aware that I had every
intention on swinging this thing with every bit of the
strength my body had. It'd be the last thing i'd do,
but at least i'd go down. I'd give it, and
hopefully i'd give it something to think about, you know,
hopefully there'd be there'd be a little bit of me
that it would remember for the rest of its life,
and I'd pay it back. Right That's the only something
anything again, just anything to get her out of here,
because that's all I really cared about at the time,
which if you've ever been been you know someone in
there where your loved ones in danger, kid, spouse, you
name it. A lot of times that's the only thing
you could think of like that, that's it. You can
only think of their well being, their safety, of course
if you love them right, Like everybody's got their own experiences,
So I'm not going to say that how people have
feeling all that, but you know what I mean, like that,
that's really the only thing you have in those moments,
and it can either be a really grounding situation for
you or it can be the thing that breaks the
camel's back, the last straw sort of thing. But it
eventually left, It turned and left. I guess it got bordered,
maybe it got what it wanted. But it looked back
at us over its shoulder. And this is as an
ali starting up the car getting ready to leave. We
just like everything going. We left. We left everything we
had put out there, you know, and the half built
tent all that, We left it all out there, and
it just what it looked back at over its shoulder
and just watched us, and you know, it then just
kind of ducked into the tree line where we couldn't
follow with the car, so probably assuming that Ali was
going to do something crazy elect try to hit it,
which is definitely within her m. I think that, between
me and you, Vic, I think that was the smartest
thing it could have done, because I'm pretty sure, yeah,
she probably would have and it would have ended up
poorly for us, But because she was scared out of
her mind and we drove, we got out of there,
and we drove, and I don't know if it kept
pace with us. I don't know if it followed us.
I don't think it needed to. I think the point
was made. Thinking about it, I don't even think it.
I don't even know if it was alone. To be
honest with you, I don't even know if it was
by itself. It seemed way too cocky, and it seemed
I think it was a male. Looking back at its behavior,
I think it very much felt like we encroached on
its territory. And I'm gonna get into why. I feel
like it felt threatened and it was angry, but it
was also coming because it knew it didn't need to
actually do anything. It just needed to give a little
bit and it would get a lot out of it,
you know what I mean. It knew full well what
it was capable of, and we knew too. And Ali
didn't say anything to me up until we got home.
And you know, she lived away from me, and she
dropped me off first for once, which was fine. I
didn't my own not walking back, mainly because I'd have
to pass by a certain stretch with her. So she
just didn't feel comfortable leaving me there. And I, you know,
I looked at her, I was like, are you okay,
Like I know, it's a silly question, and she just
told me, you know, we'll talk about it later, but
I just need to go home. And so she went home,
and here for her for two days. Finally a friend
of mine, Chris, took me over there to go go
see her and everything, and he kind of dropped me
off there her done hanging out and kind of getting
stead of taking care of us. I was helping him
paint one of the rooms in his house, So I
was like, here, can you drop me off over he
I'm just gonna knock the door and see if folks
are home, see if she's home, see if I can
see what's going on, a little bit worried about her.
And when she answered the door, she just looked at
me and she she hadn't looked like she was sleeping. Well,
I mean, su already had insomnia, but this was, you know, different.
She looked changed. And she invited me in and we
sat down and started talking, and you know, she told
me that, you know, I didn't believe you, and I
didn't believe any of it at first. I'm like, well, yeah,
that's a rational thing to say. I told her straight up,
that's that's probably the most real thing you could ever
say about any of this. Like, unless you see it's
it's good to listen to. You know, it's fun. And
I'm sure there's people out there who, you know, we've
talked about people that enjoy listening, but you know, they
don't necessarily believe in it. It's just a cool ghost story.
It's that until you see it, you know, until it's
standing there in front of you and you can see
it's heartbeat and the blood pumping through its veins and
the muscle move and every bit of it designed to
take life, that if it wanted to it, it would
make it easy that, you know, God forbid. You know
the stories you hear where people have shot these things
or have managed to hurt these things, and they just
walk it off. They don't even care. It doesn't even
phase them. You know. It's it's a different it's an
entirely different league. You know, you and I get hurt, shot, stab,
whatever it is, and we go into shock or you know,
we have our fleeting moments before you know, eventually we
succumb to our wounds. These things take four or five
shots me, the whole magazine, and they just walk it off,
never be seen again. Whether they die or not, we
don't know. But they don't clearly care, and they're not afraid,
and they know for a fact they've got us beat.
You know, it's it's a scary prospect, the fact that
they can open doors and all that is so watching
her process it, because I already had you to kind
of help me with that, right like you and I
had already talked. I we'd already gone through and discussed
all this with each other and how to handle it,
how to approach it, how to digest that content. I
want content, but that the contents of your brain like
the thoughts and the rationale behind it and how to
make it make sense. She didn't have any that. She
just had me and I was trying to explain to
her that, you know, she's not crazy for what she saw,
you know that it's it's fine, and then she just
looked at me with that that look, that look of
you know, there's more to it than that, which she
had done that quite a bit whenever she had had
something she didn't tell me that she wanted to. We'd
had that with like friend drama and other stuff where
she she'd give me the look first and wait for
me to be ready to hear about it. And so
I was like, okay, so you're giving me the look.
What are you not telling me? What is it that
I don't know? Ali was into very many things of
the occult, and she wanted to practice the occult, and
she did practice vi occult. Now you and I have
talked about it a little bit more in detail, and
I'm for the sake of I'm not going to go
into everything, but you know, she was somebody who was
interested in for example, for those of you, cannibalism is
one of them kind of thing, and you know, she
had a ritual altar she had she was She told
me that she was a witch, and she showed me
all this. I can't express to you the pit in
my stomach that I felt when she told me that.
You know, when we were out there that night, she
had found some things laying around that looked like little
little dolls and totems. And you know, we had found
one kind of laying around at the Renaissance fair. But
you know, we thought it was something like one of
the props, because it looked like one of them too,
you know what I mean, like it looked like one
of them. But she told me that these ones were
much more crude, and she took one, and when she
held it up, I you know, I could only back
away from it because it looked just like the one
I'd seen in my child in my childhood, you know,
the one was made the bones and like fur and
some other things. It's it's very very crude and rudimentary.
But she had taken it, she had taken it from
from where we were. She she'd gone and touched it,
taken it. She had it in her home, and you know,
all the anger came back, and we had our disagreement
we had our argument where I, you know, I told her,
you know, why, you know, why would you do this?
You know, after all the things I told you, why
would you do this? You know? Why go through and
put yourself here? Why put us here? Why do this
to us? And that's kind of when she you know,
because we'd talked a lot before your friends, and we
talked a lot about the stuff that she was interested in.
I kind of expressed, you know, knowledge and understanding of it.
She had listened to my episode and heard where I
had said I felt like a magnet, and she thought
that that was the very act description I guess, and
figured that why not let's test that theory, because she
she wanted, she wanted to see, She wanted it whatever
she want wanted it for, whether she thought that it
would give her some enlightenment or whether it proved something
or or I don't I don't know. If I don't know,
I don't know what she wanted. But the fact that
that sacrificial author had like what it had and all that,
and there were things there that were wrong about it.
There are a whole host of things that you know,
just none of it felt right, none of it. None
of it seemed right, and she invited. It is how
I feel looking at it now as I'm older, as
I've had time to get away from it, and I mean,
and she she did. She did threaten me that if
I ever talked about it, But like we haven't had
conversation with each other for quite a long time. She's
well and far removed and gone at this point, probably
doesn't even go by the nickname that she was using,
the one that I'm calling her by now, probably doesn't
even use that. So I highly doubt that it would
matter be of much consequence of me sharing it now,
mainly because there's no reason for us to interact any
Anything that did exist was gone after that day when
we you know, neevitably broke apart, and it was a
rough It was a rough breakup and everything like that,
even still because it sucked because you know, you go
sixth state on having somebody there all the time and
they're not being there anymore. But you know, she she
got what she wanted. She'll she'll be known for her activities,
I guess now to whatever degree you know, that's up
to everybody else. I'm not going to go into the
details or express what kind of human beings. She was
leave that for everybody here to kind of come through.
But I was used for whatever purpose, which I believe
was that, and she got what she wanted. Uh, and
I got another memory of these things. I guess on
a story to tell around the campfire. We're here with
you to helpfully encourage other people who I mean, if
I've seen one here in Texas, I'm sure other people
have too down this far. And like I said in
the very first video, I mean, if you're scared to
share it, there's no safer person or place to do
it than here with it. There's nobody that understands more
than Vic does. I think in terms of kind of
care he offers, the kind of advice he gives, the
way that he conducts this and everything that goes into it,
and the amount of documentation and records. I mean, there
are hundreds of people have come and given their testimony.
Don't sit on it, don't give it strength by burying it,
because these things, that's what they thrive on. And the
more they can get to you, the more they'll come.
And you know whether or not she continued on her
path and did what she did and found more or
if it found her. I don't know, but I haven't
since her and I parted, ways haven't really had any
major in cares. There were a few weird moments, like
I told you, I'm still looking for some of the
stuff that I have, Like if I can find that
silly picture that's somewhere, I don't know if it's in
my old phone, I might have to go try and
get somebody to like go into it because it doesn't
work like it used to. But I haven't able to
find it yet. But there were you know, footprints outside
my window where someone looked like I've been standing there
very heavy, fairly large. There's been banging and thumping. There's
been a couple of times where the neighborhood dogs have
freaked out together like they have freaked out, and my
neighbor's dog has freaked out too. And these aren't like
you know, let me inside, like I told you, kind
of barks and saying yell. These are I'm angry or
something's here and I don't want it here, get away.
So I mean, I'm sure given the wilderness that is
around where I live, and you know the vast areas
that in Texas where there just isn't anything there. There's
plenty of territory, there's plenty of spaces for these things
to hide. I mean they hide even in suburban areas.
And like, I'm pretty sure I remember if I heard
a story here, if I was listening to it, because
I was listening to it on one of my lunches.
But I think there was one that was like in
a like not a city, but a small town, like
a fairly small town, but it was populated enough to
where it could be I guess considered a fledgling city
or one coming up to it, right, And this thing
just kind of like lived on the outskirts, just outside.
I mean, they know where to live, they know how
to hide, they know how to stay away from us
and everything like that. I don't remember it was here.
If it was another channel that i'd watched with Chris,
but he'd have me listen to it. I'd have to
go see if I can get him to give me
that later, and maybe I can sendient link so you
can give him a shout out. I don't know, it
might be. I'm pretty sure it's here. I'm pretty sure
it's one of yours, But I'm not sure. These things
can be anywhere, and I don't want people suffering because
they're scared to share their experiences. You're going to feel
crazy while you're talking about it. I feel crazy right now,
and I've done. And this is the second time I've
been here with VIC, and I still feel that way.
But you know it's because these are supposed to be
movie moms. This is supposed to be stuff you tell
your kids to keep them in check, to keep them
in bed when they're supposed to be in bed, and
stuff like that. It's not supposed to be a living,
breathing creature that walks and breathes the same air we do,
on the same earth we do. It's not supposed to
be that. It's supposed to be fantasy, and when you
see one, it changes your life. So for those of
you who are out there, if you are like Ali,
learn from her experience and don't you don't want it.
It changed her as much for too as she had,
as much as she thinks she wanted it. I know
it was a regret because of the look on her
face and the fact that she was never the same
after that. Because some of our friends who still used
to hang out with her for at least a while
until I kind of dipped out. You know. They told
me she had never been different since she excuse me,
she had never been the same since then. She'd been different, quieter, colder.
She just wasn't wasn't the same person. Don't just be
be thankful that you haven't, enjoy your peace in your life,
and just be safe. There's no reason to go looking
for these things, because the more you look for them
and when you find them, you might be the unlucky
soul who doesn't get to tell a story. Because I'm
sure for every story that's told of these things, with
as many of of them as there are, there are
stories that will never be told because the person who
experienced them is not here because they didn't get the
I'm going to stare at you, they got your food.
Don't do it. It's like with any wild animal. Please,
if if anything from this video you listen to, Please God,
listen to that. Don't don't do it. Just it's not
worth it. There's no reason to do it. You don't
need that be here for those of those who have
suffered through living with this creature and having it haunt
their lives and bother them. Do that that's how you
can make your difference. That's how you can make your
your stance. That's how you can stand there. But don't
try to find it to prove a point. You know,
if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe
in it. That's fine. I'd rather you not believe and
live your life completely free of it and have a long,
prosperous life with you know, lots of kids and all
the money you could stand to have, and every good
thing that could possibly happen to you, you know, living
be ripe and old and everything else. Then have one
of these things come crashing into your life, because usually
they don't leave, and when they show up, other things
tend to to. There are plenty of stories of people
who have experienced one and the thing and then they
run into another one. And there's some terrifying accounts, you know,
just on Dick's channel alone, where you know they they're
not just you know, for lack of a better term, giant,
you know, internet trolls that live out in the forest
and try to bait your feelings. There's plenty of stories
about them, you know, hurting people and doing things to
hurt people and putting people in the bad position. So
just be safe out there. You know, don't don't ever
go camping without a firearm, don't ever go camping without
tools to survive. Don't do any of that. And if
there's places where people say they are, just don't go
there or try not to, you know, don't live your
life in fear, as Vic says. But like at the
same time, don't be like, hey, yeah, I know there's
dogmen in these woods over here because someone you know,
told a story and they when they were a kid,
and these things are out there. Just don't do it.
It's not like a bear it, you know, it's not
like you know, normal animals where there are things you
can do to deter them. These things do not care.
The case in point with this one that was messing
with the car when we were in it. At any point,
if it really wanted to, it could have it could
have done it. I know it could have done it.
You know, you just feeling it moved the car, you
knew it could have done it. At the very at
the very least, it would have been able to flip
the car over, probably before we could react. So, you know,
I think God every day that it didn't, you know.
I thank God every day that I'm all right. But
I'm still here that I'm here talking with Vic, and
I'm telling my story. I don't go there anymore. I
don't even drive down that road no more. I don't
go anywhere near that road.
Speaker 4: I'd rather take the commute through the frontage or the
freeway or the highway, and it is dealing with road
rage and slow times, then take a quicker route and
have the risk of that thing coming out of the
tree line trying to shoulder check my car.
Speaker 2: So that's about it. It's not as there's not as much.
There's a lot there, but I don't think this as
much as the last time. But I'm sorry I waited
so long to reach out Vic, and I'm sorry guys
that have been gone for so long, and for those
again I've left behind because of this stuff to try
and distance myself all these years. I'm sorry. I'm just
trying to run. You know that I have my own
slice of happiness, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't apologize for any of that. I mean, when
you reached out to me, it was the right time,
because that was the time you determined that it was
the right time to contact me. So now I'm just
glad that you brought me up to speed. Having said that,
I'm so sorry to hear that you have these new experiences,
especially the one that happened that night in the car.
There is one thing I do want to touch on, though,
that you said. Everything that you said I totally agree
with except one thing, and that is there being tons
of credible, at least credible stories out there about these
guys harming people. Now, I've said this who knows many
times on the show. I'll never tell anyone that dog
men are safe to be around. The best dog man
encounter to have is the one that never happens in
the first place. Because, yeah, I do believe that that
these guys, given the right circumstances, will hurt people. But
on the other hand, I think it's been clearly demonstrated
over the years that as a whole, these guys are
not wired by nature to just look for an opportunity
to rip a person apart. But yeah, I do believe
there are deviant dog men out there that are dangerous
and if it get the opportunity, they will hurt and
kill people. But I think those deviant dog men are very,
very few and far between. I've gone over this before.
Why do I come to that conclusion? Why have I
come to that conclusion? Because I've literally spoken with thousands
upon thousands of people who were in the perfect place
for a dog man. They had encountered to do that too,
but like you, they were allowed to leave without a scratch.
Does that mean that it never happens where dog men
harm people, where dog men kill people. Absolutely not. I
fully believe that happens. I fully believe that they do
harm people. I'd fully believe that sometimes they kill people.
But my whole point, like I've said all along, is
they are not They're clearly not wired by nature to
be that way. The ones that happen to do that
are just devo examples. So yeah, like I said, I
agree totally with everything that you said, except that one
idea that you put out there that, yeah, maybe you
were trying to say that it's a fairly common thing
for that to happen. I don't want to put words
into your mouth, but my whole thing is, in case
you were saying that, I wanted to make sure that
you understood that I definitely don't agree with that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't they're like any wild animal right this
way I look at them now, I don't hate them
like I used to. I'm still a little angry, but
I mean, like, hey, it wouldn't be but you know,
we came into its house and she took something from it,
so I'm coming to my house. It's still something from me.
They're going to get the worst of me too. And
if that's the worst of that particular dog man, then
I count myself blessed that it wasn't, you know, any
angrier than it needed to be. Right. I don't want
to make it sound and I apologize that probably it
probably may it sound like something that is not I don't.
I mean, there's there's plenty of accounts of these things
right just existing in general. What I'm saying is that,
you know, pushing them, going into their homes, taking their stuff,
messing with them, poking, prodding, just being kind of a
disturber of their piece, that could make you the one
that gets gets the deviant. Right. That's because you never know,
you can only take so much. I mean, same with
any other wild animal like bears, wolves, you know, mountain lions.
If you come into their space and you do things
specifically disrupt their lives, and you're doing things that are
going to set them off. Yeah, you're probably gonna get
it worse than somebody who's just minding your own business
and is getting a passing. Oh, I'm kind of interested
in this person behavior, right, And it is clear that
they fixate you know, plenty of the stories that you hear,
you know, and even my experiences of kind of they
have to fixate on people for whatever reason. I don't
know what kind of weird, wacky logic they have, but
you know, I'm not meant to understand, but I can
respect them as a part of nature and that they
have their place and I have mine. Like I said
in the men, I don't blame them. I don't even
blame myself for this one. This was this is one
of those things that there was somebody in between us
that kind of pit us on this path. I feel
like this collision course, and you know, I can't be
angry with it when it, for at least for my understanding,
was defending its territory because any animal would act the
same way. I guess. I guess I'm just saying, don't
do as she did, because you never know, like we're
all people. We all have different things to set us off,
you know, differences is we don't have that kind of
faral side to us like that, and animals they will
react accordingly. So I don't know. I'm just grateful that
it didn't decide that, you know, she had crossed a
line that could not be uncrossed. I think scaring the
actual scaring her half to death is probably all it
wanted to do. And I'll be honest, if she went
and since she went out there and messed with it stuff,
I'm fairly certain it watched her do it the entire time.
I'm fairly confident because I didn't leave where we were
very much. You know, of course, you go to the
bathroom back when you're getting ready to do a bathroom thing,
when you're getting ready to go to the and do camping, right,
which you know it happens. But I didn't leave our
little area that we had designated. I didn't kind of
go trapsing off that far. She wasn't far enough for
where I couldn't hear her, but I couldn't see if
anything was watching her while she was filling with its stuff.
I didn't really want to go test fate, you know,
and run into something weird like that.
Speaker 3: But that's what I was saying, VICI, I see, thanks
for clearing that up.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Having said that, Bryce, it's about time for us to
call it before we do. I just want to thank
you so much for coming on. And I wanted to
see if he had any closing comments you want to
put out there for us. It sounds like you've already
done a really good job with the closing comments. But
if there's anything else, please tell us.
Speaker 2: Guys. Like I said earlier, just you know, VI's the same.
He does this, I don't, you know, for us, like
he can help. I said it my first time I
was here and talking with him again. He managed to
get me to feel at ease. He gave me some
good advice. He's a good man, and he can take
care of whatever it is that's ailing you, whatever demons
these things have put in your head. So if you
have experiences. This is the only reason I stepped forward
is because I didn't want anybody who's here in Texas
or further down south, who you know, feel like maybe
they shouldn't be seeing things because most of these, at
least from what I've always remembered happened further north. Don't
just sit on it. You know that can help you.
He can at least help you get these out of
your heads, that we can live your life and be
free of it. And we need each other when you
see these things. It comes down to nobody's got understand
the kind of shenanigans and pain that you're going through,
or the thought process you know, from feeling you're crazy
or there's something wrong with you, whatever it is. Whatever
it is, I don't think any of us would anybody,
but somebody who's seen it would understand that better outside
of maybe Vic. And that's just because he's been with
it for so long and done this for so long.
I'm very thankful that I managed to run into him,
and I'm very thankful that I managed to be given
the privilege of being here to share my stories with
you guys, and to have Vic help me in the
ways he has. I wouldn't be where I am today
in my life without him, be honest with you, I'd
still be pulling jump change, working ranky dingk jobs. He
was the one that gave me the hope for better
and that I shouldn't let my experiences make me duck
my head and hide. And I've tried to live up
to the you know, the words that he gave me,
and I tell myself them every day when I need them.
So if you need somebody, he's here, please let him
help you.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for the glowing words. That's awfully
kind of you. But yeah, you give me way too
much credit, you really do. I just try to help
that witnesses the best I can come to terms with
their encounters, and yeah, that's all that I do. But
thanks again so much, and have a great night.