WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.760 Hello everyone. 2 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:02.960 My name is Frieda Vaizel and I'm a New York City, 3 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.679 Brooklyn based Jewish YouTuber with an interest in all things Jewish, subcultures, religion, 4 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.960 New York City, and human interest stories. 5 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:10.359 I'm sure many of you. 6 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:12.560 Have seen some of the ways that anti Semitism is 7 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:15.759 on the rise recently. For instance, there's been a number 8 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:19.079 of YouTube videos that have gotten millions of views, and 9 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:23.120 they depicted the Orthodox Jewish community with subtle and not 10 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:27.039 so subtle anti Smitic overtones. Jews were depicted as at 11 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.519 once controlling the world but also being so impoverished that 12 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.119 they're destroying America. You all know I think, or many 13 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:36.439 of you know what I'm talking about. I want to 14 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.799 have a more nuanced conversation about what anti Semitism is 15 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.679 because I think there's anti Semitism and there's criticism, and 16 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:48.079 it's important to differentiate and understand the two. Today, I'll 17 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.560 be speaking about historical and contemporary anti semitism with Duran 18 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.799 Schaffrier from The Easy Way. The Easy Way is an 19 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.359 English language YouTube channel that makes complex philosophy and geo 20 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.640 politic accessible, with a focus on Israel, moral theory, and 21 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.760 cultural device. It features deep dive analysis and interviews aimed 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:12.239 at fostering nuance understanding. Obviously, this is my kind of thing, 23 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:16.079 and so I look forward to this conversation. Before we begin, 24 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.400 I want to say I'm trying really hard to get 25 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:20.680 to five hundred channel members because that will give me 26 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.519 a little bit of relief from worrying about the algorithm. 27 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.200 Right now, we're at a little bit under four hundred. 28 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.200 If you're able to be a channel member, I thank 29 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.959 you so much for your support and Doran or is 30 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.239 it Duran? I'm not sure how to pronounce your name. 31 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:36.200 Thank you for being here. 32 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.400 Yeah, actually both both attempts I would classify as correct 33 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.079 in English. So thank you so much for inviting me. 34 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.000 It's a great honor for me to be here. 35 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:50.079 Well, it's quit pro quote because I was one your thing, 36 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.280 which was my great pleasure and honor. 37 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.560 Well about a time, I guess right, it's been a while, 38 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:58.359 it's been a year. 39 00:01:58.280 --> 00:01:59.000 It's been a year. 40 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.280 Let's begin and by just asking the question, how would 41 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.599 you define what anti Semitism is? 42 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.919 Here's the thing, Frida, I really can't, and I want 43 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.639 to tell you why I can't. So here's the thing. 44 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.960 When we think about anti semitism. Especially when the average 45 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:21.360 American thinks about anti semitism, he thinks about the Holocaust. Right, 46 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.199 this is how we are conditioned to think about this. 47 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:30.199 So the anti Semitism of the Holocaust is a very 48 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:35.719 specific kind of antisemitism. And also the term has been 49 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:39.840 coined somewhere around that time, right, a few decades earlier. 50 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:45.400 So it's a racial anti semitism. Right, It's a racial 51 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:51.479 thing against Jews. It's viewing the certain group, the Jews, 52 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:57.039 in this instance through the lens of what is contemporary 53 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.560 and at the time, right, people were thinking in racial terms, 54 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.159 and so anti semitism was a racial term. And so 55 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:09.199 people today might believe that Jews control the White House, 56 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.919 the Jews control banking, that Jews get special loans. All 57 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.599 they have to do is go to the bank and 58 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:21.280 whisper to the Jewish tailor. Right, So this is what 59 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.879 people think, but they're not racists. Right, you can think 60 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.919 these things without being racist. Well, you don't have to 61 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.960 be racist to believe that there is a group or Okay, 62 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.280 I'll give you an example. Think about the people who 63 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:39.000 are very critical and fearful of Islam. You could be 64 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.680 critical and fearful of Islam without being a racist. Right, 65 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.879 you just conceive this ideology or religion or however you 66 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.759 want to decide it. You have a certain conception of 67 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.840 it in your head, and that conception is what you 68 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.280 are obsessive towards or criticizing, or you know, you might 69 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.400 think that it's not just to criticize Islam, and then 70 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.400 you would say obsessive, or you might think it is 71 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.120 just and then you would say rational. But whatever your 72 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.879 stance is, you could concede that there is no need 73 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:07.960 for racism here. 74 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.439 Okay, So let's define racism here for a second, because 75 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:12.080 I think you're not. 76 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:13.840 Using racism in the general sense. 77 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.519 We use it in popular vernacular, which is just like, actually, 78 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:22.160 if you're in an islamophobe to use a term that 79 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.439 I don't know that it has any valuable meaning, then 80 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:26.759 we think that's racist. 81 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.639 Okay, So let's define racism in the context of antisemitism. 82 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:36.800 In the years in which antisemitism rose, racism was a 83 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:42.040 scientific worldview. It was a descriptive worldview of how human 84 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:47.800 societies organize and how human society is run. So when 85 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.480 I say racist in the context of anti semitism, what 86 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:55.800 I mean is that you truly believe that there are 87 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:01.240 certain genetic inherent characteristics in a Jew that make him 88 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:06.360 more prone to have certain maybe undesirable behaviors or undesirable 89 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.920 physical traits, or you know, even if you were to 90 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.120 go to modern times. There's even a pretty popular modern 91 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:21.519 author I forgot his name, but he essentially reintroduced racism, 92 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.079 anti Semitic racism. I'll give you an example. His main claim, 93 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:31.240 and it's very popular in for neo Nazi circles, which 94 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.600 there are not so few of. But he would say 95 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:39.160 that there has actually been evolutionary selective pressure on Jews 96 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.560 to be manipulative and go into banking and stuff like that. 97 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.319 I'll try to explain it. For example, he would say 98 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.519 that because you were always a minority and you were 99 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:55.519 always persecuted, then you had to develop certain characteristics of 100 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.439 being able to be very brutal and very scheming and 101 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.439 very controlling, and over time, because you have bred within 102 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.720 this population, it has become an inherent trait of the 103 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:13.160 Jew right. So this is racist anti semitism. Islamophobia does 104 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:13.879 not fit. 105 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:15.399 That I see. 106 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.319 So when you speak of racism, you're talking about a 107 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:27.040 genetic predisposition of a specific population to certain negative stereotypes 108 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.120 as a prejudice. So if I think all people of 109 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:38.399 this and this culture are genetically predisposed to, let's say, 110 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.639 be scheming liars, that's a racist prejudice. 111 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.720 So exactly a genetic component. 112 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.600 It's scientific racism. That's what it started out as. Okay, 113 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.879 And you know they had this whole thing about well, 114 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:53.319 we can measure that by the skull, right, all the 115 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.360 famous spiel. So this is how it started. Today you 116 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:03.600 can hold all these beliefs without being racist. And thus, 117 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:09.279 because we tend to identify anti semitism with racism, that 118 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.680 person would say, I'm not an anti Semite. I simply 119 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:18.920 observe certain things. Right, But if we really yeah, but 120 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:24.600 if we really think about it, this racial antisemitism was 121 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:26.759 a relatively if we think about the history of the 122 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:34.680 Jewish people, it was a relatively brief period of expression 123 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:38.279 of anti jew sentiment. What was it like one hundred years, 124 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.800 one hundred something years, right, this is but jew hatred 125 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.439 existed before that, and it wasn't from scientific racism. Jew 126 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.279 hatred exists today, it's not from scientific racism. So I 127 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.720 ask you, I don't know what anti semitism is, does 128 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:59.079 historical hatred of Jews before scientific racism also qualify as 129 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.439 anti Semitism. I don't know. You tell me, does hatred 130 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:03.959 of Jews to that? Well, I don't want to. I 131 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.720 don't even want to say hatred because it doesn't necessarily 132 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.000 have to be hatred. If you maybe you believe the 133 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.160 Jews control the White House and the Finance, and you 134 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.519 don't hate them, you just kind of you think to yourself, well, 135 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.800 I respect them, but I want to counter that. That's, 136 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.560 for example, is what Nick Fointes does and says. He 137 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:25.480 doesn't say I hate the Jews. He says this is reality. 138 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.639 He describes reality as he thinks it is, and he 139 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.839 just wants to change that situation. Is he an anti Semite? 140 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:37.360 Well not according to the to the scientific racism definition, right, 141 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.679 So we need to define I don't know if we 142 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.559 even need to define anti Semitis. We can walk through 143 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:48.080 it because Jews, look, Jews have always been. Let's try 144 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:51.120 to take some of the anti Semitic thinking that we 145 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:57.480 see today and see where it where it fits them, Nazi, classist, 146 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:01.960 classic antisemitic thinking, and where it doesn't fit. Right, So 147 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.440 I've shown that it doesn't fit because it's not racist. 148 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.919 It is sometimes racist, but mostly it's not racist. It's 149 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.440 not a very prominent idea. Would you agree on that? 150 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.519 Yeah, okay, I hear, yeah, okay. 151 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:22.159 But here's where it's very similar. Here's the thing. Jews 152 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:27.919 are a people, right, and by them being a people, 153 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:32.559 you might think to yourself as an odd Jew, or 154 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.559 even as a Jew, you might think to yourself, well, 155 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.879 because they're a people, they will always have dual loyalty, 156 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.120 and I can never be sure where their loyalty lies. 157 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.039 And they have a point to be honest. I mean 158 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.320 you're speaking to me right now? What connects us? 159 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:46.840 Yeah? 160 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:52.120 Yeah, okay. So this is what Hitler would have called 161 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:58.519 the international jew or international jewelry, right, So you can 162 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.679 have these believes without being a racist. Hitler thought that 163 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:07.480 there was an underlying racist explanation, a racial explanation to 164 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:12.279 this phenomenon. But today, you know, people believe that it's 165 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:18.519 quite widespread actually, right, Think about how many Jewish influential 166 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.039 people are essentially being blamed for having their loyalty to 167 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.559 Israel and not to the United States. Why, because they're 168 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.639 a Jew, and as a Jew, they belong to a people, 169 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.559 and that people has a nation state, and thus you 170 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:37.720 are not loyal. This is also the thinking of the Nazis. 171 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:39.639 This is what the Nazis thought as well. And also 172 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.879 this is what the Russian Tsar thought, you know, even 173 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:48.399 back before that. So here we have an example. There 174 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:54.759 is also classical, shall we say, Christian anti semitism, which 175 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.159 I don't know if we should even define as anti semitism, 176 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.360 but because you know, for the sake of discussion, just 177 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.000 call everything every anti Jewish sentiment, Let's just call it 178 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.639 anti Semitism, okay. So the Christian anti Semitism would be 179 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:12.799 Jews or christ killers, right, Jews did not accept God 180 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:17.240 when he revealed himself and all that. Now this is 181 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.960 a bit more complicated because you can think about it. 182 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.240 For example, if I think back to the Black Death, right, 183 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:30.080 the Black Death was like six hundred years before scientific 184 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:35.440 racial anti semitism. Jews were still blamed, right, they have 185 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.600 this secret kabbal I don't know. They poison the wells. 186 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.360 I don't know what they're doing. It was before the 187 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.919 Protestant Reformation, by the way, and the Catholic Church was 188 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.919 officially against blaming the Jews. But you know, the mind 189 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.559 does one thing, and the hands do another thing. So 190 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.639 does this count as anti Semitism? There are many It's okay, 191 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.279 So the Jews are the bankers and the Jews are 192 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:08.200 the other and the Jews are not one of us obviously, right, 193 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:14.720 And there's classical Muslim anti semitism, you might even say, 194 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:19.240 but it expresses in a different way because for the Muslims, 195 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.320 the Jews have rejected both prophets. They wouldn't say that 196 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.200 we killed God a because they do not believe Jesus 197 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.919 was God, and b because they do not believe Jesus 198 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.360 was killed. But they do have in their holy book, 199 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:36.559 in the Quran, they do have prescriptions of what do 200 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.159 you do with the Jews? Right, So right off the 201 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.720 bat I can tell you that I believe it is 202 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.679 in the first or the second Sira. Jews are going 203 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:49.200 to Hell. Okay, Christians as well, but they're going to hell. 204 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.679 Why because they do not accept the prophet, of course, 205 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:58.559 the prophet of God, Muhammad, the last prophet. And you 206 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.799 have a very specific prescription of how you deal with 207 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.679 the Jews. You make them, you subjugate them, and you 208 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.120 make them pay the jisia, which is like a special 209 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.879 tax that you pay if you're a Jew or a 210 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:17.320 Christian living under Muslim land according to Muslim law. Now, 211 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.559 there have been periods in which this was a pretty 212 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.919 good life for a Jew compared to what was happening 213 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.879 in Christian Europe. But there are also periods where this 214 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.679 was not good at all for the Jews. Right, So 215 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:34.120 I guess it does this count as anti Semitism? Does 216 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.039 the belief that if you have a Jew living under 217 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.879 your rule, he has to submit and pay a certain tax, 218 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.519 a special a Jew tax. Is this anti Semitism? You see, 219 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:49.559 It's more complex than it seems. And I can think 220 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:56.320 of another example after the right the Spanish Inquisition, for example, 221 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.120 when it happened in Spain and in Portugal, something interesting 222 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:05.759 has been going on, and they actually passed laws that say, okay, 223 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.559 that's say that there is some benefit to blood, like 224 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.399 a non Jew can't marry a Jew, even if the 225 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.200 Jew converted into Christianity because they have like a bad blood. 226 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.440 I think the name of the law was something about blood, 227 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.360 the blood laws. Now you could say, okay, is it racist? 228 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.720 You might be tempted to say yes, But then we 229 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.799 have to remember no, back then they were not thinking 230 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.799 in terms of race, right, They were thinking in terms 231 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.879 of the salvation of your soul, if we are to 232 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:40.279 put ourselves in the heads of the inquisition, and thus 233 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.000 what I'm afraid of as an inquisitor, what I'm afraid 234 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:48.080 of is that if a Catholic Mary is a Jew 235 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.960 who converted, well, how do I know that this Jew 236 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:55.399 really converted? Maybe he still practices his evil secret Jewish 237 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:02.600 you know, rituals, and he is now know damning his 238 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.320 babies or damning his wife to damnation because they are 239 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.759 not accepting the correct faith. So does this count as 240 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.960 anti Semitism or is it just a concern for the 241 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.320 eternal soul of the of the Portuguese? 242 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:21.240 Yeah, I hear what you're saying. 243 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.399 For instance, I've spoken several people who are Jehovah's witnesses, 244 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.879 and the Jehovah's Witnesses are religious subgroup that believes very 245 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:39.279 strongly than anyone who doesn't accept their particular beliefs is 246 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:45.120 going to be doomed to some kind of like there's 247 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.840 going to be an end times I believe, I don't 248 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:48.559 remember exactly. 249 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.840 But what's interesting. 250 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.240 Is that they have a very strong sense of obligation 251 00:15:55.399 --> 00:16:00.360 to inform others and recruit others to ensure that they 252 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.679 don't end up damned, which we're allowed to say the 253 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.279 word damned. Right. People are going to leave comments about this, 254 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.799 but anyway, But in this case, it's like in the 255 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.279 literal sense, we're not using it in a colloquial term. Literally, 256 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.320 a person will be subjugated to hell if they don't 257 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:21.840 follow the path of Jehovah's witness. So if someone believes 258 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.039 that a different faith will cause eternal damnation to those 259 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.840 of the different faith, is that a racism or is 260 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.519 that a prejudice or is that just. 261 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.360 A faith that someone has. 262 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.600 I think pretty much all faiths, or most faiths, especially 263 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.080 not modern faiths, believe that there's one path and all 264 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.480 other paths lead to some kind of hell or not 265 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.399 the right path, right, So I'm just what I'm saying is, Yeah, 266 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.720 I'm just saying what you are saying makes sense to me. 267 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.879 To me, it is not it is not racist, or 268 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:01.519 it is not a prejudice. Person say to believe my 269 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.119 faith is the right faith and your faith leads down 270 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:06.240 the wrong path. 271 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.680 Yeah, but you could say the same as well. If 272 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:14.480 I were an Islamist, then maybe thinking of a plan 273 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.160 to I don't know, lead to the downfall of America 274 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.160 within the next hundred years. Could you really blame me? 275 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:23.039 I really think that this is what is best for 276 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.640 America and best for the world. Right, So could you 277 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.440 blame me? It's my faith? 278 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.000 Yeah, that's the line. That's the question. 279 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.319 You have to be able to coexist with other people 280 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.200 who have the same singular I am right, you are wrong, 281 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.200 and to allow for these different I am right, you 282 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:46.880 are wrongs to exist without pinging on each other's fully, 283 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:47.920 so you're. 284 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.200 It's very American of you to say, as someone who 285 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.720 centers is thinking mainly on the Middle East, my answer 286 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.599 to that would be different. My answer for that would 287 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.319 be you have to make sure that you're strong enough 288 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.680 and then live and let live, because if you're not 289 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.160 going to be strong enough, you might let live, but 290 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:06.200 you will not live. 291 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.759 I see, I see, yeah, I mean I don't know. 292 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.759 When you say the Middle East you mean Israel. 293 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:17.000 Per se well, yes, but also not exclusively. We can 294 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.200 think of many such examples in the Middle East who 295 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.240 have had similar problems, say the Kurds or the Yazid's, 296 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:27.880 or even the Shia under Sunni majority right, or the 297 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.279 sun Is under Alawaite minority. If we were to take 298 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.200 the Syrian example of the Bath Party of the last 299 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.480 several decades. So really, you know, we tend to hyper 300 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.160 focus on Israel. It is the case for Israel, but 301 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:45.279 it's not just Israel. 302 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:46.240 I see. 303 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.720 Okay, So back to the concept of anti Semitism, you 304 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.240 really muddel the waters, which was not what we were 305 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.640 going to do. Here, we're put things in comfortable boxes. 306 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.440 Well what I want to do. What I want to 307 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.799 do is you know, I'm confusing you kind of on 308 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.640 purpose so that you have to think for yourself. So 309 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.920 we do see that it's not that simple. And then 310 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.759 when people deny being an anti Semite, even if you 311 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.440 happen to think that they clearly are anti Semite and 312 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.720 then deny it, Now you can understand why they deny 313 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:25.240 it because they're not racists, or because they're maybe they're 314 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.799 extreme leftists and they're you know, they're saying, well, I'm 315 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:34.079 anti Nazi. Actually, if anyone here is racist, it's the Jews, 316 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.799 because the Jews are you know, passed by blood. Judaism 317 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.279 is passed by blood in a sense. So if anyone 318 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.759 is racist, it's the Jew And you can see it 319 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.160 both in left wing circles and in right wing circles. 320 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.640 I'll give you examples. Right, for the left wing circles, Israel, 321 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.000 the Jewish state is a racist state. And I'm not 322 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.359 going to say like if it's true false, right, I'm 323 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.039 just pointing the fact. Right, it's it's a for the left, 324 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.920 it's a racist state. Would you agree with that? 325 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.200 Well, explain why? Explain why they think that? Because they say, 326 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.680 because it's it's a it's a people determined. 327 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.920 By blood, mostly by blood. I'll give you an example. 328 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:24.240 Why can't an Arab person whose grandparents lived in Jerusalem. Okay, 329 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.680 and let's say that now he's there, is in Jordan. 330 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:32.319 Why can't he live in Jerusalem? But Shlomo from New York, 331 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.200 whose entire family has has not touched foot in the 332 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.079 Holy Land in thousands of years, he can go and 333 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:43.079 live in Jerusalem and become a citizen. Why because he 334 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.279 belongs to a certain race and the Arab does not. Right, 335 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.079 So that would be the the Jews are racist case. 336 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.880 Okay, but Jews are not a race. 337 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.160 Or where Okay, you're saying that, but I'm presenting the 338 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.200 opposite case, right, You're you're presenting the counter and I 339 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:01.759 don't want to go down the counter. I want to 340 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.200 present the I want to. 341 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.799 Know, dude, left just think that Jews are a race. 342 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.960 I don't want to overly, you know, simplify their position. 343 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.960 But they would say that, yes, mostly it is a race. 344 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.160 Mm hmmm, because it's mostly passed by blood. You you 345 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.480 would be you would say, yeah, but you can convert, 346 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.480 but you know that that's not the majority of cases. 347 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.559 The majority of cases are passed by blood. 348 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.640 I see, okay, okay. 349 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:33.079 And so they yeah, and so On the neo Nazi, 350 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.559 more extreme right wing side, they would say the Jews 351 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.200 have an ethno state. They would call it right, which 352 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.200 kind of means a racist state. But they are somehow, 353 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.119 by sinister means they are preventing us from having an 354 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.400 ethno state because they are controlled trying to floot us 355 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.839 with immigration. And thus, I don't know, genocide the white race. 356 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:59.039 That's what many of them would claim. Right, So, either way, 357 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.119 the Jews a racist. By the way that the Nazis 358 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.920 also thought the Jews are racists. How so in the 359 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.079 exact manner that they are judging them. The Jews judge 360 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.240 themselves by blood, so why shouldn't we And also all 361 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.200 they could see is race, So everything was analyzed through 362 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.960 race in their perspective. Now, interestingly, both the extreme right 363 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.319 wing and the extreme left wing would be anti Zionists 364 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.480 because of that. And again I'm not trying to make 365 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.160 this a political discussion. I'm only stating fact. So for 366 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.279 the left, of course, Israel, the Jewish state would be 367 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.599 the one racist state, right, the one racist state. Well, 368 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.359 I guess they could say that America is also, you know, 369 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.920 fundamentally racist or something structurally racist, Right, they might say, 370 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.200 But the one explicitly racist country they would say is. 371 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:57.400 Israel and Muslim countries. 372 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:01.240 Because no Muslims are Oh, didn't even get to the Muslims. 373 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.000 For muslim there isn't even such thing as a race. 374 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.200 I mean there is, but as a good Muslim you're 375 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.960 not supposed to have such thing as a race. 376 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:10.240 What about for leftists? 377 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.720 Why would leftists call Israel a racist state and not 378 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:16.640 a Muslim country a racist country? 379 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.519 Because of what the law of return? Mainly but because 380 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.440 of the example I just gave about the guy going 381 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.880 to live in Jerusalem. You can't have such an example 382 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.559 for Egypt. Right, if you were to take the Shahada 383 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:29.640 tomorrow and become a Muslim. It doesn't mean you can 384 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:34.160 move to Cairo. And also, who wants to move to Cairo. 385 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.559 That's not a very good argument though. 386 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:43.079 Yeah, I was just being sarcastic and added that, But yeah, 387 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.039 so you can move to you can't get a citizenship 388 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:52.000 and benefits as an Israeli based purely on your blood, right, 389 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:52.559 that's what. 390 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.400 They would say, m hm, yeah, yeah, I understand. 391 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.920 Okay, So that's you know, you could jump for all 392 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.160 sort of conclusions from that and say, yeah, so Israel 393 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.480 kind of doesn't needs to not exist. But you could 394 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.920 reach the same conclusion from different reasons if you were 395 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.680 an extreme right wing from the neo Nazi circles, because 396 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.519 you would say something like what Hitler said, which was 397 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.160 that if the Zionists were to succeed. Of course, Hitler 398 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.160 did not see them succeed, but he knew that such 399 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.119 a thing existed if the Zionists were to succeed in 400 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:32.720 establishing a Jewish state, since Jews as a race cannot 401 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.920