WEBVTT

1
00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

2
00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:12.279
<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

3
00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

4
00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.239
<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

5
00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

6
00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

7
00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back today. You've brought us some really compelling material

8
00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.200
<v Speaker 2>about one of the most perplexing discoveries to come out

9
00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.399
<v Speaker 2>of the James Web Space Telescope recently.

10
00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:38.880
<v Speaker 3>That's right. It comes from a Carnegie led team and

11
00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:43.039
<v Speaker 3>it's all focused on one specific exoplanet that is well,

12
00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.359
<v Speaker 3>it's really challenging some core assumptions, and.

13
00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Our mission for this deep dive is to get to

14
00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the heart of that. We want to unpack the data

15
00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and figure out why a planet that by all rights

16
00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.200
<v Speaker 2>should be a dead, scorched piece of rock seems to

17
00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.359
<v Speaker 2>have a thick, thriving atmosphere. So the planet we're talking about,

18
00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.560
<v Speaker 2>it's called TOI five sixty one B. And just to

19
00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:06.519
<v Speaker 2>set the stage, this is a super earth. It's rocky,

20
00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.599
<v Speaker 2>it's ultra hot, and it's so close to its star

21
00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:11.879
<v Speaker 2>that honestly, the model is all predicted it would have

22
00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.000
<v Speaker 2>been blasted clean of any atmosphere billions of years.

23
00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Ago, and yet it hasn't. The data is it's pretty unambiguous.

24
00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.159
<v Speaker 2>So this isn't just some small update. We're talking about

25
00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:24.200
<v Speaker 2>something that could fundamentally rewrite our understanding of how planets

26
00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:27.079
<v Speaker 2>survive in extreme environments exactly.

27
00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.079
<v Speaker 3>And it's not just about survival this one observation. It

28
00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.120
<v Speaker 3>just up ends the conventional wisdom about these so called

29
00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.239
<v Speaker 3>ultra short period planet.

30
00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Ultra short period meaning they orbit their star in what

31
00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:41.079
<v Speaker 2>in less.

32
00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.359
<v Speaker 3>Than one Earth day. It's an entirely different class of world. Yeah,

33
00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and the context here is just as important. That this

34
00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.799
<v Speaker 3>isn't just any star system. It's ancient. We're looking at

35
00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.480
<v Speaker 3>a planet that is fundamentally different from anything in our

36
00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Solar system, and it's giving us this incredible window into

37
00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:01.760
<v Speaker 3>how planets might have formed in a a very different

38
00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.599
<v Speaker 3>chemical environment way back in the early days of the universe.

39
00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's untack this. I think we have to start

40
00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.159
<v Speaker 2>with the planet itself, the sheer extremity of its environment.

41
00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.479
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the conditions are almost unimaginable.

42
00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.199
<v Speaker 2>So let's lay out the basic profile. We know it's

43
00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.240
<v Speaker 2>a rocky planet, a super Earth. What does that actually

44
00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.080
<v Speaker 2>mean in terms of its size and mass?

45
00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.479
<v Speaker 3>So super Earth is a category for planets that are

46
00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.680
<v Speaker 3>more massive than Earth, but significantly less massive than our

47
00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.400
<v Speaker 3>ice giants like Neptune. In this case, TOI Fi sixty

48
00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:33.439
<v Speaker 3>one B is firmly terrestrial. It has a solid surface,

49
00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.680
<v Speaker 3>but it's packing about twice the mass of our own planet.

50
00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Twice the massive Earth. That's substantial, But you're right, the

51
00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.520
<v Speaker 2>mass is only part of the story. The location is

52
00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.000
<v Speaker 2>it's the real shock ra here really is. The sources

53
00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.879
<v Speaker 2>say it orbits its star one fortieth the distance of

54
00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Mercury from our Sun one fortieth.

55
00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to even picture that.

56
00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to visualize. So take Mercury, which is already

57
00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.759
<v Speaker 2>right up against the Sun, practically skimming its surface from

58
00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.159
<v Speaker 2>our perspective right now, imagine moving it f forward thy

59
00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.000
<v Speaker 2>times closer to that furnace that's the neighborhood TOI five

60
00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:04.080
<v Speaker 2>sixty one B lives in.

61
00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.159
<v Speaker 3>So a year on this planet, one full orbit is

62
00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.080
<v Speaker 3>just ten point five six hours.

63
00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Just over ten hours. It completes an entire trip around

64
00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.719
<v Speaker 2>its star in less time than a work down Earth.

65
00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.120
<v Speaker 3>That speed is just dizzying, and the radiation, I mean,

66
00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.000
<v Speaker 3>the amount of energy hitting that surface must be terrifying.

67
00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Terrifying is a good word for it. Scorching almost feels

68
00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.000
<v Speaker 3>like an understatement if you were to calculate the flux

69
00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:31.479
<v Speaker 3>of stellar energy bathing this planet, it's just astronomical.

70
00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And what does that kind of intensity do to a

71
00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:35.919
<v Speaker 2>planet's atmosphere.

72
00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, it has a couple of immediate and usually devastating implications. First,

73
00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:44.159
<v Speaker 3>the gas envelope is exposed to these incredibly powerful solar winds,

74
00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:48.240
<v Speaker 3>and these winds are constantly, relentlessly stripping away the lighter

75
00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:52.639
<v Speaker 3>elements hydrogen, helium. They're just getting blasted off the top

76
00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:53.840
<v Speaker 3>of the atmosphere into space.

77
00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's like a constant erosion.

78
00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.879
<v Speaker 3>Process, a very aggressive one. And that's just the first problem.

79
00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.639
<v Speaker 3>The second is the heat itself. The energy input is

80
00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.400
<v Speaker 3>so high that the gas molecules get heated up, they

81
00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.800
<v Speaker 3>move faster and faster, and they can actually achieve escape velocity.

82
00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.080
<v Speaker 3>They literally boil off the planet over time.

83
00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.639
<v Speaker 2>So, based on everything we thought we knew, if this

84
00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:16.240
<v Speaker 2>planet ever had an atmosphere should be long gone.

85
00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.920
<v Speaker 3>It should be a distant memory. For a small, hot,

86
00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:24.439
<v Speaker 3>rocky planet like this, any primordial atmosphere it formed with

87
00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.240
<v Speaker 3>should have been lost within say, the first few hundred

88
00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:28.839
<v Speaker 3>million years of.

89
00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Its life, and this star system is much much older

90
00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:31.720
<v Speaker 2>than that.

91
00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.959
<v Speaker 3>Much older. We're talking about a system that's around ten

92
00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:37.680
<v Speaker 3>billion years old. After that amount of time, any atmospheric

93
00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:42.600
<v Speaker 3>remnant should be well negligible, a wisp of vapor at most.

94
00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.959
<v Speaker 3>But that is not what the JWST is telling us.

95
00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.800
<v Speaker 2>And there's another complication. The proximity to the star means

96
00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.439
<v Speaker 2>this planet is almost certainly tidally locked. Can you explain

97
00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:53.519
<v Speaker 2>what that means for a planet, especially one this close

98
00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to its star?

99
00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:57.399
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Tidal locking is what happens when the gravitational pull

100
00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.519
<v Speaker 3>of a large body like a star forces a smaller

101
00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.040
<v Speaker 3>orbiting body, the planet, to synchronize this rotation with its orbit.

102
00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Like our moon is with Earth, we only ever see

103
00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.079
<v Speaker 2>one side exactly.

104
00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.720
<v Speaker 3>The same principle. Since Doi five sixty one b's orbit

105
00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.560
<v Speaker 3>is ten point five to six hours its rotational period,

106
00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.879
<v Speaker 3>the length of its day is also ten point five

107
00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.639
<v Speaker 3>six hours. The practical upshot is that one hemisphere is

108
00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:22.040
<v Speaker 3>locked in perpetual unending daylight, while the other is trapped

109
00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:23.000
<v Speaker 3>in eternal darkness.

110
00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.360
<v Speaker 2>So one side is constantly being cooked and the other

111
00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:26.040
<v Speaker 2>is frozen.

112
00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.160
<v Speaker 3>If it were a bare, airless rock, yes, the consequences

113
00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.480
<v Speaker 3>would be an unimaginable temperature gradient. The day side would

114
00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:38.279
<v Speaker 3>be superheated to thousands of degrees, easily hot enough to

115
00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.160
<v Speaker 3>vaporize rock into a magma.

116
00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.959
<v Speaker 2>Ocean, a literal ocean of lava, a permanent one.

117
00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, the night side, facing the cold of deep space,

118
00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.000
<v Speaker 3>would radiate its heat away and cool down rapidly. It

119
00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.279
<v Speaker 3>would likely be solid rock, perhaps even frozen solid depending

120
00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.480
<v Speaker 3>on the composition.

121
00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.639
<v Speaker 2>And that difference in temperature from molten to solid rock

122
00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.560
<v Speaker 2>that must create some incredible physical stress.

123
00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.360
<v Speaker 3>On the planet, immense thermal stress. It would likely lead

124
00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.279
<v Speaker 3>the huge cracks, faults, and rampant vulcanism as the planet

125
00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.079
<v Speaker 3>tries to sort of equalize that energy. It really should

126
00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:12.879
<v Speaker 3>be a world defined by thermal catastrophe.

127
00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.600
<v Speaker 2>So this is a world that should have no air,

128
00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.560
<v Speaker 2>should be half molten and half frozen, and basically be

129
00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.720
<v Speaker 2>tearing itself apart. But the evidence suggests it's resilient, and

130
00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the key to this whole puzzle seems to lie with

131
00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:25.319
<v Speaker 2>its parent star it does.

132
00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:26.519
<v Speaker 3>It all comes back to the star.

133
00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Our sources say the star TOI five point fifty one

134
00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.199
<v Speaker 2>is a bit smaller and cooler than our Sun, but

135
00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.879
<v Speaker 2>it's ancient, twice the age of the Sun. And critically,

136
00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.439
<v Speaker 2>it's described as iron pore and located in the thick

137
00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.879
<v Speaker 2>disk of the Milky Way. Let's unpack that because that

138
00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.439
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a lot of astronomical jargon. What does that

139
00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.319
<v Speaker 2>combination of traits actually tell us?

140
00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the location is hugely important. The Milky Way

141
00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.000
<v Speaker 3>galaxy isn't just a uniform blob. It has structure. There's

142
00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.120
<v Speaker 3>a thin disc, which is where we live, where our

143
00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.879
<v Speaker 3>Sun is. It's dense, it's where most of the star

144
00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.000
<v Speaker 3>formation is happening now.

145
00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:01.759
<v Speaker 2>And then there's the thick disk right.

146
00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.040
<v Speaker 3>The thick disk is an older, more diffuse, sort of

147
00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.480
<v Speaker 3>puckier structure that surrounds the thin disk. Stars in the

148
00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.279
<v Speaker 3>thick disk are ancient. They formed very early in the

149
00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.399
<v Speaker 3>galaxy's history, probably between eight and ten billion years ago.

150
00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.040
<v Speaker 3>So finding the star there is what gives us that

151
00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:18.360
<v Speaker 3>incredible age estimate.

152
00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's like finding a fossil from the galaxy's childhood.

153
00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.680
<v Speaker 3>A perfect analogy, and a key characteristic of these fossil

154
00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.360
<v Speaker 3>stars is that they are metal poor. Now, we have

155
00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.600
<v Speaker 3>to be clear about what astronomers mean by metals.

156
00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:32.519
<v Speaker 2>It's not just iron and gold right.

157
00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Right to an astronomer, a metal is any element on

158
00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.439
<v Speaker 3>the periodic table that isn't hydrogen or helium. Ah Okay,

159
00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.000
<v Speaker 3>the early universe was made of almost nothing but hydrogen

160
00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and helium. It took generations of massive stars living fast

161
00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.360
<v Speaker 3>and dying young, exploding at supernovae to forge all the

162
00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:54.720
<v Speaker 3>heavier elements and then seed the galaxy with them carbon, oxygen, silicon, iron,

163
00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:56.160
<v Speaker 3>All of that is metal.

164
00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.519
<v Speaker 2>So an iron poor star means it was borne from

165
00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.160
<v Speaker 2>a cloud of gas that just hadn't been enriched with

166
00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:06.079
<v Speaker 2>those heavier elements. Yet the galaxy wasn't fully seasoned.

167
00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.160
<v Speaker 3>I guess exactly. The protoplanetary disc of gas and dust

168
00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.519
<v Speaker 3>that TOI five sixty one B formed from was fundamentally

169
00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.160
<v Speaker 3>deficient in those heavier elements compared to the one that

170
00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.199
<v Speaker 3>our own Solar system formed from about four and a

171
00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:18.000
<v Speaker 3>half billion years.

172
00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.959
<v Speaker 2>Ago, And that has to have a direct impact on

173
00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:21.319
<v Speaker 2>the kind of planet that can form.

174
00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.319
<v Speaker 3>A huge impact. It gives us a major clue about

175
00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.480
<v Speaker 3>the planet's internal structure, but more importantly, it makes the

176
00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.720
<v Speaker 3>fact that it has a sustained, volatile rich atmosphere even

177
00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.879
<v Speaker 3>more bizarre. Why is that because the very building blocks

178
00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.679
<v Speaker 3>for a complex atmosphere and even the planet itself were

179
00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.879
<v Speaker 3>just scarcer back then. So the fact that this small,

180
00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.240
<v Speaker 3>ancient and highly irradiated world not only formed but held

181
00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.240
<v Speaker 3>onto its atmosphere, well, it runs contrary to basically every

182
00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:48.840
<v Speaker 3>model of planetary survival we have.

183
00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.919
<v Speaker 2>So we have a theoretical model that's screaming barren, scorched rocks,

184
00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.559
<v Speaker 2>screaming it. Yes, but the scientists weren't just relying on theory.

185
00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.000
<v Speaker 2>They had an early clue, a piece of circumstantial evidence

186
00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.519
<v Speaker 2>that something was off, and it came down to a

187
00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.759
<v Speaker 2>pretty basic measurement the planet's density, right.

188
00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.159
<v Speaker 3>The mass to volume ratios. The first red flag.

189
00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.799
<v Speaker 2>This density calculation really became the central puzzle, the thing

190
00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that kicked off this whole intensive observation campaign with the JWST.

191
00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.200
<v Speaker 2>When they first measured TOI five sixty one B, they

192
00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.240
<v Speaker 2>found it had a really low bulk density. Now, the

193
00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.039
<v Speaker 2>sources are clear to point out it's not one of

194
00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.679
<v Speaker 2>those super puff or cotton candy planets, which are almost

195
00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:27.600
<v Speaker 2>entirely gas.

196
00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.639
<v Speaker 3>No, it's definitely a rocky world. But for a super

197
00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Earth with twice the mass of our planet, it was

198
00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.799
<v Speaker 3>it was lighter than it should have been. The numbers

199
00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.679
<v Speaker 3>just didn't quite line up with an earth.

200
00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Like composition, and that discrepancy, that low density immediately presented

201
00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to competing hypotheses.

202
00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, and the team had to figure out which one

203
00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.200
<v Speaker 3>was correct because they lead to radically different conclusions about

204
00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:51.639
<v Speaker 3>the planet.

205
00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the first one, hypothesis one.

206
00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.519
<v Speaker 3>So hypothesis one goes right back to the planet's heritage

207
00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.960
<v Speaker 3>where we were just discussing. The star system is ancient

208
00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.399
<v Speaker 3>and iron core, so it stands to reason that the

209
00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.039
<v Speaker 3>planet itself must reflect that.

210
00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.120
<v Speaker 2>So its composition is just different from Earth's exactly.

211
00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.000
<v Speaker 3>The lower density could be explained by more you could say,

212
00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.720
<v Speaker 3>exotic interior. Perhaps it has a much smaller iron core

213
00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.559
<v Speaker 3>proportionally than Earth does, and maybe it's mantle. The rocky

214
00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.320
<v Speaker 3>layer is made of lower density minerals, things formed from

215
00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.039
<v Speaker 3>the lighter elements that were more common in that ancient

216
00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:28.159
<v Speaker 3>protoplanetary disk.

217
00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.600
<v Speaker 2>So that's the geological explanation. The ingredients were just naturally

218
00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.559
<v Speaker 2>lighter from the start.

219
00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.720
<v Speaker 3>Precisely. It's a very neat and tidy explanation. It connects

220
00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.919
<v Speaker 3>the formation context, the thick disk the iron pore star

221
00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.399
<v Speaker 3>directly to the measurement they made. It's elegant, but.

222
00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the only possibility, And the second hypothesis is

223
00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the one that really brought the JWST into the picture.

224
00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, hypothesis too, proposed that the low density wasn't due

225
00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to the planet's core composition at all. It suggested it

226
00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.200
<v Speaker 3>was an observational.

227
00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Artifact, an artifact caused by what.

228
00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Caused by something hiding in plain sight, a surprisingly thick atmosphere.

229
00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, how does an atmosphere make a planet seem

230
00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:09.799
<v Speaker 2>less dense?

231
00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, think about how we measure the size of these

232
00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.480
<v Speaker 3>distant planets. We use the transit method. We watch it

233
00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.879
<v Speaker 3>pass in front of its star and measure how much

234
00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:18.799
<v Speaker 3>starlight it blocks.

235
00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, the bigger the planet, the bigger the dip.

236
00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.399
<v Speaker 3>In light, exactly. But if a planet has a thick,

237
00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.440
<v Speaker 3>opaque atmosphere, what you're actually measuring is the top of

238
00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.559
<v Speaker 3>that gaseous envelope, not the surface of the solid rock core.

239
00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.240
<v Speaker 3>The atmosphere makes the planet appear larger and radius than

240
00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:34.279
<v Speaker 3>it actually is, So.

241
00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.559
<v Speaker 2>You've got this inflated size measurement.

242
00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.320
<v Speaker 3>You've got an inflated radius, but you're using the planet's

243
00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.000
<v Speaker 3>true mass, which we can measure through its gravitational tug

244
00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.519
<v Speaker 3>on the star. And when you calculate density mass divided

245
00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.639
<v Speaker 3>by volume, a larger volume gives you a much lower density.

246
00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So the low density itself was the first major hint

247
00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that this planet was wrapped in a substantial blanket of gas.

248
00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.519
<v Speaker 3>It was the strongest initial hint and it was a

249
00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.159
<v Speaker 3>direct challenge to all the models that said it couldn't

250
00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:01.480
<v Speaker 3>be there.

251
00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.000
<v Speaker 2>So the mission was set figure out which it was

252
00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:08.919
<v Speaker 2>an exotic iron pore interior or a surprisingly stubborn atmosphere.

253
00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.080
<v Speaker 2>How did the team use JWST to solve this? It

254
00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.200
<v Speaker 2>seems incredibly difficult to isolate the light from a tiny

255
00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.039
<v Speaker 2>planet right next to its blazing star.

256
00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.840
<v Speaker 3>It's an immense technical challenge, and this is really where

257
00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.360
<v Speaker 3>the sheer power of the jam's webspased telescope shines. They

258
00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.440
<v Speaker 3>used an instrument called the near infrared spectrograph or in

259
00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.200
<v Speaker 3>our spec in our spec okay, and their entire method

260
00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.559
<v Speaker 3>hinged on a very long, very painstaking observation. They stared

261
00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.440
<v Speaker 3>at the system for over thirty seven hours straight, focusing

262
00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.159
<v Speaker 3>on a specific event called the secondary eclipse.

263
00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.039
<v Speaker 2>The secondary class. That's not the transit, when the planet

264
00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:43.759
<v Speaker 2>goes in front, that's all.

265
00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.159
<v Speaker 3>That's when the planet goes behind the star. From our

266
00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:46.639
<v Speaker 3>point of view.

267
00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what does that tell you?

268
00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.440
<v Speaker 3>It tells you exactly how much light the planet itself

269
00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.120
<v Speaker 3>is giving off. Think about it, Just before the eclipse,

270
00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.799
<v Speaker 3>our telescope is receiving light from the star plus the

271
00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.720
<v Speaker 3>light radiating from the planet's scorching hot day.

272
00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Side right a combined signal.

273
00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.879
<v Speaker 3>Then for a short period the planet is hidden behind

274
00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.279
<v Speaker 3>the star. During that time we only get the starlight.

275
00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.799
<v Speaker 3>All we have to do is subtract the star only

276
00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:13.919
<v Speaker 3>light from the star plus planet.

277
00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Light, and what's left over is the light coming only

278
00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.039
<v Speaker 2>from the planet's day side.

279
00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Precisely, you can isolate the planet's thermal spectrum, its heat signature.

280
00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:24.840
<v Speaker 2>That sounds I mean, that's like trying to measure the

281
00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.159
<v Speaker 2>light from a single candle flame sitting right next to

282
00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:28.120
<v Speaker 2>a giant searchlight.

283
00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.000
<v Speaker 3>That's a very good way to put it. You are

284
00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.919
<v Speaker 3>trying to isolate a tiny whisper of heat energy from

285
00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.840
<v Speaker 3>a background source that is thousands or even millions of

286
00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:38.639
<v Speaker 3>times brighter.

287
00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.480
<v Speaker 2>How can an instrument even do that with any accuracy?

288
00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.080
<v Speaker 3>It requires incredible stability and sensitivity. In our spec is

289
00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.879
<v Speaker 3>specifically optimized to look at near infrared light, and that's

290
00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.080
<v Speaker 3>exactly the wavelength where a super hot surface like the

291
00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.080
<v Speaker 3>day side of TOI five point sixty one B would

292
00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:57.759
<v Speaker 3>be radiating most of its energy.

293
00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's looking in the perfect part of the spectrum it.

294
00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Is, and by observing continuously for almost four full orbits

295
00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.600
<v Speaker 3>of the planet, they were just taking a single snapshot.

296
00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.240
<v Speaker 3>They were accumulating data points over and over again, which

297
00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.039
<v Speaker 3>allows them to build up the signal and average out

298
00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.799
<v Speaker 3>the noise. They're not looking for visible light reflecting off

299
00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.039
<v Speaker 3>the planet. They're measuring its thermal glow, the infrared heat,

300
00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.399
<v Speaker 3>which is a much more direct way to measure its temperature.

301
00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.000
<v Speaker 2>A fascinating look at how these observatories actually work. But okay,

302
00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.000
<v Speaker 2>let's get to the results. What did that meticulous measurement show.

303
00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Here's where it gets really interesting. What was the number?

304
00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.440
<v Speaker 3>The proof was in the numbers, absolutely and it came

305
00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.440
<v Speaker 3>down to a massive discrepancy between what the temperature should

306
00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.360
<v Speaker 3>have been and what they actually observed.

307
00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what was the prediction if TOI five point

308
00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.120
<v Speaker 2>sixty one B was just a bare airless rock.

309
00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.320
<v Speaker 3>The thermal models, assuming it's a perfect black body, just

310
00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.399
<v Speaker 3>absorbing and reradiating all that stellar energy, predicting a day

311
00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:57.320
<v Speaker 3>side temperature approaching a staggering forty nine hundred degrees here

312
00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:01.360
<v Speaker 3>night nine hundred degrees or about twenty seven hundred degrees celsius.

313
00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I can't even comprehend that that's far hotter than the

314
00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:06.960
<v Speaker 2>melting point of most rocks. You'd have that magma ocean

315
00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:07.519
<v Speaker 2>we talked.

316
00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.440
<v Speaker 3>About, guaranteed it's hard enough to melt and boil steel

317
00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.360
<v Speaker 3>almost instantly. That was a baseline prodution for a dead

318
00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:14.320
<v Speaker 3>airless world.

319
00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:18.039
<v Speaker 2>So what did JWST actually see?

320
00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.080
<v Speaker 3>The NIR spectata revealed that the day side temperature was

321
00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.679
<v Speaker 3>significantly cooler. How much cooler The measurement came in closer

322
00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.120
<v Speaker 3>to three to two hundred degrees fahrenheit or about eighteen

323
00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:28.000
<v Speaker 3>hundred celsius.

324
00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Wait, a drop of seventeen hundred degrees fahrenheit.

325
00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, a massive, massive difference. It's more than nine hundred

326
00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.480
<v Speaker 3>degrees celsius cooler than it should be. There's simply no

327
00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.559
<v Speaker 3>way for a bare rock to be that cool under

328
00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:39.879
<v Speaker 3>them atradiation.

329
00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.399
<v Speaker 2>So something has to be getting in the way, Something

330
00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.759
<v Speaker 2>has to be distributing that heat exactly.

331
00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:48.919
<v Speaker 3>That significant cooling effect absolutely must be caused by something substantial,

332
00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:53.360
<v Speaker 3>and the only plausible candidate is a thick atmosphere that's

333
00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.720
<v Speaker 3>actively regulating the planet's temperature.

334
00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's not just that an atmosphere is there, it's

335
00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.919
<v Speaker 2>that it's actively working. It's adynamic system.

336
00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.039
<v Speaker 3>It has to be A simple thin layer of gas

337
00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.960
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be enough. You need complex processes to explain that

338
00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:08.879
<v Speaker 3>level of cooling.

339
00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.279
<v Speaker 2>What about other explanations. Could something else be moving the

340
00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.879
<v Speaker 2>heat around? What if the magma ocean itself was circulating

341
00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.600
<v Speaker 2>carrying heat to the night side.

342
00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.399
<v Speaker 3>That's a great question, and the team considered it. A

343
00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.960
<v Speaker 3>magma ocean could certainly circulate some heat, but without an

344
00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.840
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere to trap that heat and move it efficiently, the

345
00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.720
<v Speaker 3>night side would still likely cool down so much that

346
00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:30.879
<v Speaker 3>the rock would solidify.

347
00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Ah, so you'd have a solid barrier on the night side,

348
00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.679
<v Speaker 2>which would limit how much heat could flow from the

349
00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:36.399
<v Speaker 2>day side.

350
00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.919
<v Speaker 3>It would limit the flow, Yes, the circulation would be inefficient.

351
00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.240
<v Speaker 3>You also might get a very thin atmosphere of vaporized

352
00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.080
<v Speaker 3>rock silicate vapor. But again, a thin layer like that

353
00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.399
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't provide the kind of global cooling effect that

354
00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.639
<v Speaker 3>was observed. It can't explain a seventeen hundred degree temperature drop.

355
00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.559
<v Speaker 2>So those simpler explanations just don't fit the data.

356
00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.679
<v Speaker 3>They don't. As a researcher said, we really need a thick,

357
00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.919
<v Speaker 3>vault little rich atmosphere to explain all the observations.

358
00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Volatile rich meaning gas is light. Yeah, what are we

359
00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:07.359
<v Speaker 2>talking about here?

360
00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.240
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about things that are gases at lower temperatures

361
00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:15.319
<v Speaker 3>than rock, water, vapor, carbon dioxide, maybe even oxygen or methane,

362
00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.079
<v Speaker 3>though that's less likely these temperatures. Volatiles the stuff atmospheres

363
00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:19.599
<v Speaker 3>are made of.

364
00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:22.640
<v Speaker 2>And this thick, volatile rich atmosphere would have several ways

365
00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of cooling that day side down.

366
00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:28.240
<v Speaker 3>That's right. The model suggest at least three key cooling

367
00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:29.920
<v Speaker 3>mechanisms are probably at play here.

368
00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the first one.

369
00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.759
<v Speaker 3>The first and maybe the most intuitive is wind, really

370
00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:35.720
<v Speaker 3>really strong winds.

371
00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Winds on a world that hot with a magma ocean.

372
00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Exactly the extreme temperature difference between the super hot day

373
00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:47.119
<v Speaker 3>side and the cooler night side would drive incredibly powerful

374
00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.000
<v Speaker 3>atmospheric circulation. These winds would pick up heat from the

375
00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.160
<v Speaker 3>scorching day side and physically transport it over to the

376
00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:54.759
<v Speaker 3>night side.

377
00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:57.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's like a planetary scale air conditioner. It's just

378
00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.319
<v Speaker 2>moving the heat around the globe, preventing it from building

379
00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:01.319
<v Speaker 2>up in one spot.

380
00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:04.200
<v Speaker 3>That's the perfect way to think about it. It lowers

381
00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.799
<v Speaker 3>the maximum temperature on the day side by spreading the

382
00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:07.960
<v Speaker 3>energy out more evenly.

383
00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's one. What's the second cooling effect?

384
00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.640
<v Speaker 3>The second is gas absorption. Those volatile gases we mentioned water,

385
00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.079
<v Speaker 3>carbon dioxide, things like that are very good at absorbing

386
00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.880
<v Speaker 3>near infrared light, the.

387
00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Very light that JWST is looking for the very same.

388
00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.359
<v Speaker 3>So the hot surface is radiating this infrared light, but

389
00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.480
<v Speaker 3>before that light can escape into space and reach our telescope,

390
00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.000
<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere absorbs some of it. From our perspective, the

391
00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.759
<v Speaker 3>planet just looks dimmer and therefore colder than it actually

392
00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:38.519
<v Speaker 3>is at the surface.

393
00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.319
<v Speaker 2>So the atmosphere acts like a filter, blocking some of

394
00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the heat signature it does.

395
00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.599
<v Speaker 3>It's another piece of the puzzle that contributes to that

396
00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.839
<v Speaker 3>lower observed temperature, and the third mechanism. The third possibility

397
00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:51.519
<v Speaker 3>is clouds.

398
00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Clouds on a lava world. What would they even be

399
00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:54.680
<v Speaker 2>made of?

400
00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, not water, obviously, but you could potentially have clouds

401
00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.079
<v Speaker 3>made of silicate mineral, tiny droplets of vaporized rock that

402
00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.440
<v Speaker 3>condense at higher, cooler altitudes.

403
00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And if those clouds are bright, If they're bright.

404
00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.079
<v Speaker 3>They would act just like clouds on Earth. They would

405
00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.880
<v Speaker 3>reflect a significant amount of the incoming starlight back into

406
00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.440
<v Speaker 3>space before it ever even has a chance to heat

407
00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.359
<v Speaker 3>the surface. It's another way to cool a whole system down.

408
00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.200
<v Speaker 2>So you have this three pronged defect winds moving heat,

409
00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.799
<v Speaker 2>gas absorbing heat, and clouds reflecting heat, and together they

410
00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.240
<v Speaker 2>can account for that seventeen hundred degree drop.

411
00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.279
<v Speaker 3>That's the model that best fits the data we have

412
00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:35.440
<v Speaker 3>so far, a very active, very complex atmospheric.

413
00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.519
<v Speaker 2>System, which brings us to the biggest question of all,

414
00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the one that started this whole thing. How can a

415
00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.160
<v Speaker 2>small planet this close to its star, in this much

416
00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.799
<v Speaker 2>radiation hold onto any atmosphere, let alone a thick and

417
00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:51.119
<v Speaker 2>complex one. It should have been gone billions of years ago.

418
00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.720
<v Speaker 3>And this is I think the most profound part of

419
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the discovery. The answer seems to be the concept of equilibrium.

420
00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Equilibrium, meaning it's not just hold on to its original atmosphere,

421
00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:03.519
<v Speaker 2>but it's being.

422
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Replaced, it's being constantly replenished. The lead author of one

423
00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.200
<v Speaker 3>of the studies introduced this fantastic analogy. They said, this

424
00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:14.640
<v Speaker 3>planet is likely much much more volatile rich than Earth.

425
00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.440
<v Speaker 3>They described it as and this is a quote, really

426
00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:18.599
<v Speaker 3>like a wet lava ball.

427
00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.599
<v Speaker 2>A wet lava ball. That is an incredible image. What

428
00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:23.279
<v Speaker 2>does that mean?

429
00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.799
<v Speaker 3>It means the planet's interior, its magma, is saturated with

430
00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.599
<v Speaker 3>dissolved gases, the same volatiles that make up the atmosphere.

431
00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.599
<v Speaker 3>And what's happening is a dynamic cycle.

432
00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:33.839
<v Speaker 2>A cycle.

433
00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so yes, gases at the top of the atmosphere

434
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.599
<v Speaker 3>are constantly escaping into space. The star is still blasting

435
00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.119
<v Speaker 3>them away. That part of the old model is still true.

436
00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.519
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, the intense heat is causing

437
00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.279
<v Speaker 3>gases to constantly come out of the magma ocean to

438
00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.799
<v Speaker 3>feed the atmosphere from below. It's called outgassing.

439
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.359
<v Speaker 2>So it's losing atmosphere, but it's also making new atmosphere

440
00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:55.000
<v Speaker 2>at the same time.

441
00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Precisely, and it's even more complex. The thinking is that

442
00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.480
<v Speaker 3>the magma ocean is all so sucking some gases back

443
00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:05.440
<v Speaker 3>into the planet's interior. So you have this three way exchange,

444
00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:08.720
<v Speaker 3>gas escaping to space, gas out gassing from the magma,

445
00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.480
<v Speaker 3>and gas being reabsorbed by the magma.

446
00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.200
<v Speaker 2>A constant recycling process.

447
00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:17.160
<v Speaker 3>A dynamic equilibrium. The atmosphere isn't a static leftover from

448
00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:22.400
<v Speaker 3>the planet's formation. It's a feature that is being actively maintained, recycled,

449
00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.440
<v Speaker 3>and replenished by the planet's own geology moment by moment.

450
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:28.079
<v Speaker 3>That is how it survives.

451
00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.079
<v Speaker 2>That completely changes the picture. It's not a question of

452
00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.440
<v Speaker 2>how long a planet can keep its atmosphere, but whether

453
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it has the right internal ingredients to continuously make one.

454
00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.440
<v Speaker 3>You've hit it exactly, and that's where the planet's origins

455
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:40.640
<v Speaker 3>become so important again.

456
00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, Let's connect the dots back to that ancient iron

457
00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.400
<v Speaker 2>poor star. How does the planet's formation in the early

458
00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.079
<v Speaker 2>universe relate to it being this wet lava ball.

459
00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, remember that star formed when the universe was younger

460
00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.119
<v Speaker 3>and less chemically enriched. The protoplanetary disc was pour in

461
00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.960
<v Speaker 3>heavy metals like iron. But it may have been comparatively

462
00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.160
<v Speaker 3>rich in other things.

463
00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:01.599
<v Speaker 2>It volatiles, water carving exactly.

464
00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.400
<v Speaker 3>It's possible that planets forming in that environment incorporated a

465
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:09.480
<v Speaker 3>much higher fraction of volatile materials into their bulk composition

466
00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.920
<v Speaker 3>from the very beginning. The building blocks themselves might have

467
00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.839
<v Speaker 3>been sagier for lack of a better word.

468
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So TOI five sixty one, B's composition isn't just an oddity.

469
00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It's likely representative of the kinds of planets that formed

470
00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.759
<v Speaker 2>when the universe was relatively young.

471
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.799
<v Speaker 3>That's the really exciting implication. And it fits with that

472
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:32.240
<v Speaker 3>initial density puzzle. The low density, the likely smaller iron core,

473
00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.599
<v Speaker 3>and the less dense mantle. All that makes perfect sense

474
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.960
<v Speaker 3>if the planet formed in an environment that was chemically

475
00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:38.720
<v Speaker 3>different from our own.

476
00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.039
<v Speaker 2>So what does this all mean? Let me see if

477
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I can summarize the aha moment here for you. Go

478
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.480
<v Speaker 2>for it. We found a planet that proves that even

479
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:50.440
<v Speaker 2>under the most hostile ultrahot conditions imaginable, if a world

480
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.039
<v Speaker 2>forms with enough volatile material packed into its interior, if

481
00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a wet lava ball, it can establish this incredible

482
00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>dynamic equilibrium, a cycle of outgassing and reabsorption that allows

483
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:05.640
<v Speaker 2>it to maintain a thick, protective atmospheric blanket indefinitely as

484
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a perfect summary, and that just it completely expands the

485
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.519
<v Speaker 2>range of possibilities for where atmospheres can survive. We used

486
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 2>to look at planets like this and just write them

487
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:15.839
<v Speaker 2>off as cinders.

488
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Speaker 3>They were written off. Yeah, they were considered the worst

489
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:23.119
<v Speaker 3>possible places to look for atmospheres, And this discovery tells

490
00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.440
<v Speaker 3>us we were wrong. It suggests there might be a

491
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:31.440
<v Speaker 3>whole class of resilient, geologically active worlds out there that

492
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 3>we've been completely ignoring.

493
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's worth mentioning the scale of this research too. This

494
00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:36.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just a quick look.

495
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh not at all. This result is just the first

496
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.160
<v Speaker 3>from a huge JWST program General Observers Program thirty eight

497
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.039
<v Speaker 3>to sixty. It involved that very long thirty seven hour

498
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:50.200
<v Speaker 3>observation we talked about, and the team is still analyzing

499
00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 3>the full data set.

500
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>What are they hoping to find in the rest of

501
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that data.

502
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.200
<v Speaker 3>The next big step is to try and map the

503
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.480
<v Speaker 3>temperature all the way around the planet. They want to

504
00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 3>measure the temperature of the night side as it rotates

505
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:00.079
<v Speaker 3>back into.

506
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:02.720
<v Speaker 2>And that would tell them how efficient that heat transport

507
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>really is exactly.

508
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 3>It would put real constraints on those wind speed models,

509
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 3>and they're also digging deeper into the spectrum of the

510
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.680
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere itself. The goal is to try and pinpoint the

511
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.559
<v Speaker 3>precise chemical composition. Is mostly carbon dioxide? Is there water vapor?

512
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Knowing the specific gases will tell us even more about

513
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.680
<v Speaker 3>the planet's geology and formation.

514
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 2>So there's still a lot more to come from this

515
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 2>one world.

516
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.000
<v Speaker 3>We're just scratching the surface.

517
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's just recap the absolute key findings. Then we have

518
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.599
<v Speaker 2>TOI five sixty one B a scorching super earth orbiting

519
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>its ancient star every ten and a half hours. A

520
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>place where we expected to find a bare rock heated

521
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.319
<v Speaker 2>to nearly five thousand degrees.

522
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Fahrenheit before picture.

523
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Instead we find a world that is over seventeen

524
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:50.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred degrees cooler than expected, shielded by a thick atmosphere

525
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that it actively maintains through dynamic equilibrium with a volatile,

526
00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.319
<v Speaker 2>rich magma ocean below.

527
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.680
<v Speaker 3>The wet lovea ball in action.

528
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's a phenomenal discovery. I like the quote

529
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 2>from the lead author. You want a tesca that you

530
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.400
<v Speaker 2>flagged for us? She said, what's really exciting is that

531
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 2>this new data set is opening up even more questions

532
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.440
<v Speaker 2>than it's answering.

533
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.200
<v Speaker 3>And that is always the sign of a truly great

534
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.359
<v Speaker 3>discovery In science. It's not about closing the book. It's

535
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 3>about realizing the book is much much larger than you

536
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:18.000
<v Speaker 3>ever thought of us.

537
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>So we always like to end by leaving you the

538
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 2>listener with a final provocative thought, something to molover. What's

539
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the big takeaway here that we should be thinking about.

540
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it comes back to the age of

541
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.039
<v Speaker 3>this system. This planet in its star formed when the

542
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.920
<v Speaker 3>universe was younger, when it was less chemically enriched with

543
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:37.880
<v Speaker 3>the heavy elements we see around us today.

544
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's a relic from an earlier cosmic era.

545
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 3>It is so if a world like this, an ancient

546
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.400
<v Speaker 3>world born in a metal poor environment, can not only

547
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Speaker 3>form with enough volatiles, but can then maintain a complex

548
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 3>atmospheric cycle for ten billion years under the most extreme conditions,

549
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 3>what does that imply for all the other older exoplanets

550
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.799
<v Speaker 3>out there. Think about the sheer number of plant's orbiting

551
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 3>ancient stars in the thick disk or in globular clusters

552
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 3>that we might have overlooked. How many of them have

553
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 3>we dismissed as bare rock candidates where they might actually

554
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 3>be hosting these incredibly resilient dynamic systems.

555
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>It suggests there could be a huge hidden population of

556
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>worlds with atmospheres where we never thought to look.

557
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 3>It forces us to reconsider what makes a world survivable,

558
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 3>not for life, perhaps, but for its own atmosphere. The

559
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 3>universe might be far more capable of creating and sustaining

560
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 3>these kinds of worlds than our models ever gave it

561
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 3>credit for. And that's something for you to think about

562
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 3>as you continue to explore the cosmos.

563
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.400
<v Speaker 2>A fascinating thought to end on. It's a reminder that

564
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 2>every new data point can completely change our perspective. Thanks

565
00:26:42.039 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 2>for joining us for this deep dive school, stays Sai
