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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have BIGFOD activity

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<v Speaker 1>Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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<v Speaker 1>on with the show. All right, Big Society got the

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<v Speaker 1>privilege of talking to a listener that contacted me. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Chris, He's from Florida. How's it going tonight, Chris?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing? Jeremiah? Thank you so much for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on the show. What's an honor?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Thank you sir. You've reached out via email

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<v Speaker 1>and you've had some really interesting things happen over the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Years you grew up in New York City. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like yes, sir, and then you moved down to central

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<v Speaker 1>Florida in the late eighties, and then I'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of take over from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I mean I'm originally from New York City,

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<v Speaker 2>so I come from what they call the concrete Jungle,

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<v Speaker 2>and a little bit of a backstory because I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff correlates. Although you have a

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<v Speaker 2>show about, you know, specifically Bigfoot, it's under the umbrella

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<v Speaker 2>of the paranormal. So since I was a kid, I've

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<v Speaker 2>always had experiences, even up until this day, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's always followed me. I never asked for any

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<v Speaker 2>of these situations. These things just happened to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't had any answers. So I grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City. My upbringing wasn't the greatest. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>go into any detail that you know, could figure out

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<v Speaker 2>your own. And so around nineteen eighty nine, I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to head into high school, we were moving to Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>So we weren't really too happy with that. I already had,

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<v Speaker 2>like in my mind my own plans and what I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do with my life and just being uprooted

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<v Speaker 2>and moving to this new state. I mean, we had

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<v Speaker 2>visited Florida before and I never really liked it, so

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<v Speaker 2>just uprooting to move there, I already had like a

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<v Speaker 2>chip on my shoulder. So the plan was my mother

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<v Speaker 2>and my stepfather at the time, had this plan to

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<v Speaker 2>buy land in Okalla, which is also in central Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>and to do the whole thing, you know, house, white picket, fans,

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<v Speaker 2>basketball court, blah blah blah. We're going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>this happy family. And they got caught up in a scam.

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<v Speaker 2>So I remember the day that I had to go

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<v Speaker 2>into the high school to get my school records and

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<v Speaker 2>find out that we essentially didn't have a place to live.

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<v Speaker 2>So my mother and my stepfather had to scramble to

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<v Speaker 2>find the place. And they found the place and settled

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<v Speaker 2>on the outskirts of Orlando in this place called Kissimi, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, what is this Kissimi place? Just the

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<v Speaker 2>name sounds stupid, you know. So again, my brother and I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're very reluctant to want to move. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>September ish, we moved to you know, we moved to Cassimi.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't fly, we drove, So we had to drive

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<v Speaker 2>hours from New York with this on my mind, like

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<v Speaker 2>I have to start this new life in this new

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<v Speaker 2>place I've never been before. Not only that, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the history of the of the Deep South. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a little worried and scared of how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to fit into this new you know, society that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm moving to. So once we got there and we

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<v Speaker 2>got to know some of the locals and we need friends,

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<v Speaker 2>they would tell us, you know, certain things like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>first off, Kasimi at that time, late eighties eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as developed as it is currently. Now you have

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<v Speaker 2>more stores, you know, the small little more locations, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's kind of growing. But back then

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't as developed. And Florida is basically one big

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<v Speaker 2>swamp with prospectors and property owners deciding, hey, let's build

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<v Speaker 2>places where there's flat land, and you know, apartment complexes

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<v Speaker 2>won't sink, you know, into like a sinkhole or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, Florida is a jungle in of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>People who live here will tell you even in central Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>there's many patches of very deep wooded areas and honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see anybody going into these areas and coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of those areas, so anything can live in those spots.

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<v Speaker 2>So the subject of Bigfoot, you know, most of the

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<v Speaker 2>time people talk about it in the Pacific Northwest, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>when I was growing up, you know, seeing the Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>Givel in film and all that, I always thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a Pacific Northwest thing. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot was down south and it was called the skunk cake.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't in my vocabulary. So when I moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Florida and I started navigating because we didn't have a car,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't aware that walking by like heavily wooded areas,

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<v Speaker 2>that there might be something possibly lurking in there and

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<v Speaker 2>those and those and those those spots. So anyway, let

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<v Speaker 2>me get into the incidents, you know, plural. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to take this one route to walk to school, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of populated. What there was some spots

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<v Speaker 2>where there was wooded area, but it was primarily populated.

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<v Speaker 2>The issue that I was having is I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>to school late, and I was in in jeopardy of

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<v Speaker 2>like having to do you know what they call it,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you have to stay after school, like iss

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<v Speaker 2>and school suspensions and stuff like that. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to get in trouble, so I had to take

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<v Speaker 2>an alternate route, and I talked to like against some

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<v Speaker 2>of the locals, and they told me there was this

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<v Speaker 2>shortcut that I could take. So I wounded up taking

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<v Speaker 2>the shortcut, and initially it was fine. The only issue

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<v Speaker 2>that I had is compared to New York, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like sidewalks. So the sidewalk would be

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<v Speaker 2>like a five to like seven foot like span of

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<v Speaker 2>like just grass, and then you'd have a two way,

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<v Speaker 2>a two lane like road, okay, one with oncoming and

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing traffic, and then on the other side of that

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, probably like five to seven foot you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like length of just like patch of grass, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would be essentially a sidewalk. And since Florida rains a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're dealing with like mud, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>my fear was just like I want to get to

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<v Speaker 2>school with dry feet. There was many days I would

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<v Speaker 2>get to school and my foot would be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my thoughts would be soaked, and it was just really

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<v Speaker 2>like annoying. So on top of me, you know, getting uprooted,

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<v Speaker 2>having to move to this different place, having to walk

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<v Speaker 2>to school, having to get my my sneakers and my

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<v Speaker 2>and my my feet wet all the time just wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest time. So I want to say, about like

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<v Speaker 2>a week or so after taking the shortcut, I started

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<v Speaker 2>to hear noises like in this patch of woods. So

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<v Speaker 2>like how I described it was, you have like this

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<v Speaker 2>five to seven foot like length or the span of

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<v Speaker 2>like grass. Then when it would dip down to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like this retention sort of area, and that could

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<v Speaker 2>be it could dip down from anywhere from like three

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<v Speaker 2>feet to maybe a little bit deeper, like five feet

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<v Speaker 2>at the most. Then it would come up to a

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<v Speaker 2>bank and then it would be nothing but just like

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<v Speaker 2>a wall of like trees and shrubbery. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>told that back back in that those spots would be

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, swampy areas where there would be gators,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some wild dogs, you know, every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, homeless people would you know, sleep in there

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe create encampment encampments back there. But for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, I was more scared about the gators that

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<v Speaker 2>they said that sometimes would come out to get the

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<v Speaker 2>roadkill or get anything that would be walking by and

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<v Speaker 2>bring it back into this swampy forest the area because

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<v Speaker 2>I was in high school. High school starts the earliest,

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<v Speaker 2>at least down south. I don't know anywhere else, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know down south it would start like probably like

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<v Speaker 2>seven seven o'clock in the morning. School would start like

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<v Speaker 2>seven maybe seven point thirty, so I would have to

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<v Speaker 2>leave like super early, and a lot of times it

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<v Speaker 2>was still dark outside. So I'm walking through this like moist,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, wet area with hardly any cars coming and

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<v Speaker 2>going and just hope I don't get hit by a

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<v Speaker 2>car or get you know, snatched by a gate or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started to notice something pacing me. Now, being

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<v Speaker 2>from New York, there's not a lot of forests in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. You have parts, obviously, and you have some

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<v Speaker 2>areas like apartment complexes that have trees and they have

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<v Speaker 2>like parks there as well. But I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 2>the difference when leaves fall on the ground, like in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall, and you have people like jogging or running,

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<v Speaker 2>or you have kids playing or people walking their pets.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was pats, you had squirrels. I could tell

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between something running on two legs and something

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<v Speaker 2>running like between something bipedal and a quadruped right. I

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<v Speaker 2>could tell the difference between that. I could also tell

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<v Speaker 2>the difference of the sound of something that's moving lightly

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to something that's kind of heavier. So you

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<v Speaker 2>could tell the difference between how a dog walks through

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shrubbery versus a human, so to speak. This

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<v Speaker 2>was something that was following me the same path I

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<v Speaker 2>was taking. I could hear the cracks of branches and

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<v Speaker 2>tree limbs breaking, you know, something stepping on like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, you know, making noises. It didn't paced me exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>like how like, it wasn't taking the same step as

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<v Speaker 2>I was taking a step. It was kind of off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but it was obviously something was following me.

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<v Speaker 2>I could hear this noise, and it didn't start in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of my ride. It was somewhere towards the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>So it took me about thirty minutes at the most

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<v Speaker 2>to get from my house through this shortcut to the school.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to say about maybe five to ten

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<v Speaker 2>minutes into my walk is when this would start happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So at first, my initial thought was obviously some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of animal, you know, whether it was a dog or

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<v Speaker 2>a feral cat, or you know, something back of my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a gator, but to me, like if it was

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<v Speaker 2>something that wanted to get me, like it knew I

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<v Speaker 2>was there, It knew I was walking because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm splashing through the puddles, through mud most of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>cursing out loud because I hated, you know, having or

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<v Speaker 2>do the walk, but it's something that was pacing me.

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<v Speaker 2>So after a while of like maybe a week of

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<v Speaker 2>this happening, got to the point where I started to

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<v Speaker 2>like vocalize and ask if somebody was there, like hello,

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<v Speaker 2>are you there? You know, while you're following me? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like if it was a person, they would

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<v Speaker 2>have to answer back, because I mean, why would someone

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<v Speaker 2>pace me, Like let's say a homeless person pace me

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<v Speaker 2>and just stollow me without making any sort of contact

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<v Speaker 2>or connection, Like if there was anything negative behind that,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have already happened, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>After and this took probably like two two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half months this was happening, And it wasn't like every day.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like maybe every other day. Sometimes it would

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<v Speaker 2>happen two days in a row, but it wasn't every day. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when you walk and you have this wall. Every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while it would open up into like this

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<v Speaker 2>other side. So you always have like these main streets

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<v Speaker 2>on another block. It's very similar, but with trails. But

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<v Speaker 2>they want to me and my brother don't take those

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<v Speaker 2>trails because sometimes they lead you to like spots where

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<v Speaker 2>you can get lost. And again there's retention ponds back there,

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<v Speaker 2>and swampy areas where there's gators and snakes and all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And again you know, this might be homeless

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<v Speaker 2>people back there might be feral dogs, a cats. You

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<v Speaker 2>see these open patches. Funny thing about it is, as

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<v Speaker 2>got used to knowing where this opening would come, and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever this thing is, because if it kept going, it

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<v Speaker 2>would ultimately show itself, but it was whatever this was.

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<v Speaker 2>If it was a person, I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was a dog, or any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of cat, or even like a gator. Whatever this was

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<v Speaker 2>to either find another route to go around that open

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<v Speaker 2>area to then start pacing me again. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, there were houses, so again this

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<v Speaker 2>in somebody's backyard, and then I can see it. And

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<v Speaker 2>this went on for, like I said, about three months

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<v Speaker 2>until I bought a walkman, because at this point I

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't care, you know, I was like, if something's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get me, there was really no place for

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<v Speaker 2>me to go. I'm surrounded by, you know, swamps on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of me. There's a two lane road. If

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<v Speaker 2>by a car. Either that or I'm going back home

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm missing school, which isn't good. So at this

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<v Speaker 2>point I just put headphones on listen to music, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would take my route not knowing if this thing

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<v Speaker 2>was pacing me anymore. And then after a while, it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like went back to the old route

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to leave even earlier, so I avoided

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<v Speaker 2>that route all together. So that's one of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the incidents that happened to me when I moved to Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever hear that the same thing would also

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<v Speaker 1>happen to your classmates? Would you ever talk to your

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<v Speaker 2>No? I never talked to them. And I was the

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<v Speaker 2>taking it because in my neighborhood, my brother was an

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<v Speaker 2>elementary school and most of the kids were either in

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<v Speaker 2>elementary or they were already like in college, So there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a lot of kids in the neighborhood that were

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<v Speaker 2>my age that went to the same school as I,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know what I mean? And then it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those weird things where I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>know about zoning areas, but I was in an area

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<v Speaker 2>where the bus couldn't pick me up, but literally like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty thirty feet like kids can get on the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was one of those things where It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I lived twenty thirty feet, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one way I can catch the bus, but since I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in that zone, I couldn't catch the bus, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. So a lot of these kids,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe they walked the same route that was

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<v Speaker 2>the only one on the road, you know, during that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, it's such a it's such a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The weirdest thing I think is that it would happen

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<v Speaker 1>to you off and on for such an extended period

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<v Speaker 1>at time, big for society. Who will be right back

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<v Speaker 1>after these messages? Could you get a feeling for like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could hear the whatever it was walking,

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume, could you get a feel for how

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<v Speaker 1>heavy the footfalls were or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't it wasn't light, but it seemed like And

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<v Speaker 2>this is just speculation, so I don't I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it seem like I know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was. But listening to other

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<v Speaker 2>people's accounts, it's very similar because again, like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about going into an open area and then this

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<v Speaker 2>thing whatever it is, stopping right there and then repositioning itself,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning it having to go around this open area so

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<v Speaker 2>then really start pacing me again, which is again not

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<v Speaker 2>something that I can see a homeless person or just

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<v Speaker 2>a regular person doing. Like what do they get out

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<v Speaker 2>of that? Like what are they what do they get

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<v Speaker 2>out of watching a high school kid walking to school

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<v Speaker 2>like every day or whatever, you know, And it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like the every step had intention to not try to

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<v Speaker 2>give itself away. But I can hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's some it's it's some creepy, creepy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, I don't know how did it stop. Did

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<v Speaker 1>it just all of a sudden one day you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hear it anymore? Or was it when you stop taking

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<v Speaker 1>that route all together?

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped hearing it when I started using a walk, man,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was at the point where I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care anymore. Like I felt, like I said, I felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's something's gonna come and get me, or if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to interact with something, it's going to happen eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was no place for me to run. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about like six seven miles from my house, so

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<v Speaker 2>if I track backwards, they then take an alternate route

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, I'm showing up late. So at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, I'm just going to stay home. And

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<v Speaker 2>so then I'm missing school and it's causing more problems.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I again, if I run across the street

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the other side, there's another wall of

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<v Speaker 2>swamp forest and I don't know what's in there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The cars are very sparse, Like I'm talking like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>every two or three minutes a car comes passing by,

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth. I have to walk more towards the

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<v Speaker 2>foresty side because I'm trying not to get caught by

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<v Speaker 2>a car hitting a puddle and it's splashing on me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which I learned, you know, the hard way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So, like there's a lot going on in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind while I'm walking to schools, like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep my feet you know, as dry as possible, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like this thing is happening to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to understand it, like, oh, it's probably a person,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably animal, but it just didn't make sense because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like ultimately, like animals, I don't believe do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that an animal would be curious enough

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<v Speaker 2>to pace without revealing itself. I mean, unless it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a deer, but I don't know that they're deer

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<v Speaker 2>in Kasimi. Like I've seen deer in Central Florida, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that there's deer in Casimi. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's bear in central Florida, but I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>there's bear in Casimi. So you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you know, the weird thing is is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was something that for or you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>day to day or every other day or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was it's almost like it was it was stalking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and man, weird vibes from that one man. Thankfully not

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, and I'm much appreciative. I want to frame

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<v Speaker 2>it in the sense of curiosity. Sure, because to me,

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<v Speaker 2>like stalk, there's an endy result always to stalk. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was an easy target, there was no I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was athletic at the time, like but I was

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<v Speaker 2>more like I played baseball, I played basketball. That's athletic

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I wasn't like a wrestler or bodybuilding. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an easy target at that point. If it's a

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<v Speaker 2>predator or if I'm being stalked. That's the way I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it. Maybe it was stalking me, and maybe when

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<v Speaker 2>it was about to maybe do its thing, I decided

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<v Speaker 2>not to show up anymore, you know. But the way

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<v Speaker 2>I see it, I saw more. I felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>was more of a curiosity thing, like what what is this?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, six in the morning, what is

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<v Speaker 2>this kid doing walking? You know, like that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, you know, he's interesting, he's he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look like other Floridians because back then I was into metals,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had long hair and a metallic issue. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, probably like what is this, you know, weird

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<v Speaker 2>person walking you know in my you know, my area,

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<v Speaker 2>my territory.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. So you're like, did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>newest Stranger Things? So you're like Eddie from Stranger Things.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was fantastic, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, of course it was sick, so good man.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then they threw the Coneyan sword in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't go wrong, you know, legit, dude, it's a legit.

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<v Speaker 1>You also had your email says that you saw something

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<v Speaker 1>weird and I don't want to give away what it

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<v Speaker 1>was you saw something weird behind a store one time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So so fast forward like three to four

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<v Speaker 2>years later. You know, I'll kind of settled somewhere in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>I still hate it, but I'm still kind of settled.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wound up getting this job going towards Disney, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>in central Florida. And I think it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things where it's a franchise and people buy into

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<v Speaker 2>this franchise because it was a store called Goodings, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was owned by like this family and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a two best friends. They bought the franchise, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they had the store and it was a touristy store

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it was one of those where the

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<v Speaker 2>cereal was like eight dollars a box, right, because they

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<v Speaker 2>can do that, you know, like people come to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to vacation and the place and the prices go up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I was working primarily restocking the shelves

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. Now, the owners they only really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted garbage to go out a certain time of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>which was primarily was at nighttime. So we would have

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<v Speaker 2>to stuff whatever garbage because they didn't want to use

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<v Speaker 2>up garbage bags. So I worked primarily the day shift,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was a crew that came in at night,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we would have garbage ready for them to

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<v Speaker 2>dull out at nighttime. So I had been working there

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<v Speaker 2>for like six seven months. I wound up getting one

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<v Speaker 2>of my friends in there to work with me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty good with the owners. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>knew I worked hard, but sometimes they were like over

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<v Speaker 2>the top strip at times. But anyway behind the store

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<v Speaker 2>was like this, I don't know you call it like

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<v Speaker 2>like a reserve because it was nothing but again forest.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing like in Florida, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>really paying attention, you don't realize that you go to

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<v Speaker 2>you drive by these spots that are populated, but in

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<v Speaker 2>between these populated spots there's heavy forests and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look down a map, you'll see that they're connected. A

418
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<v Speaker 2>lot of these heavily forested swampy areas are all connected

419
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and just being to the topic of the paranormal specifically,

420
00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:54.279
<v Speaker 2>like you know, cryptids, It doesn't take much for these

421
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:58.640
<v Speaker 2>for these cryptids to navigate, you know, especially if they've

422
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.839
<v Speaker 2>been in the area for so long they know it

423
00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like the back of their hand. I can see something

424
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.799
<v Speaker 2>or some things moving, you know, through heavily populated areas

425
00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:13.240
<v Speaker 2>without being seen all the time. You know. So this

426
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of reserve area that was in the back. When

427
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you go to the back, you have probably twenty thirty

428
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>feet of like concrete slab, and then you have like

429
00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>this big like garbage bin, this metal garbage bind with

430
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.400
<v Speaker 2>two plastic tops on it that you could swing open

431
00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>on either side. I don't know if you know what

432
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, but sometimes, you know, we had raccoons

433
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that would go back there and open up those garbage

434
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>bins to go in there and dig. So then you know,

435
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you have like the grass would start going in an

436
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>indentation downward, I want to say, it would go down

437
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.039
<v Speaker 2>to probably like three or four feet. And because it

438
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 2>was you know, Florida rains a lot a lot of times,

439
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.200
<v Speaker 2>it was wet, you know, very like moist back there.

440
00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>But there was a light that was above this this bin.

441
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Now I didn't know too much about it because I

442
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.200
<v Speaker 2>had worked the day. Shit, it wasn't until this thing

443
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't happened that like I saw this whole thing play out.

444
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 2>But I remember hearing just whispers from the workers when

445
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>we would do the shift change, about how they hated

446
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>going to throw out the garbage back there, that it

447
00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was creepy, and that also there was a family of

448
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>raccoons back there, probably like about ten of them, and

449
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.319
<v Speaker 2>that they would hiss at the you know, the workers

450
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 2>when they went to throw garbage out, because I guess

451
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.799
<v Speaker 2>they were interrupting them as these raccoons would go into

452
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>this bind to take garbage out and the bags in

453
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 2>there apart looking for food. So one day I'd get

454
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 2>approached by one of the managers and he's like, look,

455
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I have a guy that called in. He's like, if

456
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>you want to make extra money, you can come in

457
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and work overtime. And then you know, he's like, I

458
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 2>won't have you close, I'll just have you leave, probably

459
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>like around seven, eight o'clock at night. This was probably

460
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.440
<v Speaker 2>like in the fall time, so it gets started pretty quickly.

461
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 2>So the garbage gets all, you know, assembled, and it's

462
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 2>probably like around seven o'clock and I go out there

463
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to throw out this garbage. Now above the bin there's

464
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a light, right, it's supposed to have a plastic cover,

465
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what happened. The plastic cover was missing,

466
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and so what that did is that made the light

467
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.799
<v Speaker 2>almost like a spotlight because they didn't have you know,

468
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>when they put the covers to make it not as bright.

469
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I forgot what they what they call that, what the

470
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.039
<v Speaker 2>purpose is for. But anyway, this thing was like off,

471
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and so it made the light like really bay almost

472
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 2>like a spotlight. And so as I'm walking up to

473
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>this band, I can hardly see the bin, you know,

474
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 2>because this light is like shining in my eyes, but

475
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it's illuminating a pretty good portion of that swampy area. Okay,

476
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.039
<v Speaker 2>So I see these two raccoons come out and they

477
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 2>take off into the forest. So as I'm walking up,

478
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>about to throw this stuff, because these raccoons literally they

479
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>lifted the door open in to where it was like

480
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.200
<v Speaker 2>stuck in the upward position, meaning it was like the

481
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Speaker 2>bin was wide open. I was about to just toss

482
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 2>it and walk right back into the into the shop.

483
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>But I turn around and I see nothing because of

484
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 2>these this illuminating light. I see nothing but these little

485
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>beady eyes, like literally like twenty sets of them, but

486
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they're low because like I said, like after the concrete slab,

487
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it starts to go down in the dip and the

488
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 2>dips probably and I'm just estimating probably like three maybe

489
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.200
<v Speaker 2>four feet. So I see all these little eyes and

490
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>they're moving around, and in my mind, I'm thinking these

491
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.039
<v Speaker 2>are then to jump me for this bag of garbage.

492
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm scared of that, you know. But as

493
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to turn again to throw this garbage out,

494
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>I notice these two sets of red eyes. They're about

495
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>like I'm talking, the sets are about they're taller than me.

496
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:01.920
<v Speaker 2>So whatever these things were, they're they're down three feet,

497
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 2>like their feet is probably three feet below me and

498
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>they're above me. And there are two sets of red

499
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>eyes looking at me that probably maybe thirty forty feet

500
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 2>away from me, and they're probably like maybe ten fifteen

501
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>feet apart from each other, so they weren't like together together.

502
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it was instantaneous as soon as I

503
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.240
<v Speaker 2>saw those eyes took for me to throw the trash,

504
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>not care if it made it inside of the band,

505
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and to run inside. But that was that was the

506
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:31.400
<v Speaker 2>second incident that I had.

507
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>You stick around like at that job or did you

508
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 1>keep working there?

509
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.079
<v Speaker 2>I kept working there for maybe a couple of weeks.

510
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And I've been asked this before, like did I talk

511
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>about it with the with the crew because they had

512
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 2>talked about the whisper thing. I didn't talk to them

513
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 2>about that because I'm knowing I mean it literally, I'm

514
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's all about this machiesze moo thing. I'm

515
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 2>not gonna go and tell these guys, oh I got

516
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I saw these eyes back there, you know, and get

517
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>made fun of, you know what I mean. So to me,

518
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>I kept that to myself off. But I never worked

519
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>another night shift. Like I got asked many times to

520
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>work night and I was like, Nope, you're not doing it.

521
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, because the daytime you can see like they

522
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>were like these really thin sort of trees, but they

523
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 2>were like like together, but you could still in the

524
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>daytime kind of see through it and see kind of

525
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>deep in there. But at nighttime you weren't seeing anything

526
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 2>even with the illumination of that light at nighttime, you know.

527
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>And the sense that I got was I shouldn't be there,

528
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So I got out of there. Man.

529
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>It makes me wonder because those your coworkers would be

530
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 1>whispering at times about going back there. I wonder if

531
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>there was other people that saw that whatever that thing was.

532
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt if they

533
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>show something back there or they heard something, you know,

534
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I looked up, you know, years later,

535
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I looked up like could could have been the owl,

536
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 2>But Florida to have a lot of owls, you know,

537
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything else that has red eyes. You know.

538
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 2>At first, I thought like, are these raccoons climbing in

539
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the tree to jump down on, you know, on top

540
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of me. Like as silly as it sounds, I was

541
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:13.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of thinking like like, are there bigger raccoons trying

542
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 2>to jump down on me to grab you know, the

543
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.839
<v Speaker 2>bag that I have, Because I know that raccoons are vicious,

544
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're they're they're they have rabies and and

545
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they'll fight you. You know, they'll fight you. So that

546
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>was my first kind of like quick thought, like you know,

547
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>these raccoons. But now that it looked like almost you

548
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 2>know how like at night when you're driving and there's

549
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of light in a certain area, but

550
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>they put up these reflectors. You know, it looked like

551
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that like reflectors. There was kind of glowing,

552
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 2>but like there's no vehicles that go back there.

553
00:29:48.880 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages, So.

554
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Why would there be reflectors lets they put on a

555
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 2>couple of trees back there. Just didn't make any sense

556
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to me that there would be reflectors back there. But

557
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what it looked like. It looked like reflect their

558
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>eyes looking back at me, you know.

559
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>As some weird stuff. Chris, I don't know what to

560
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>make of it. Fast forward even a little bit. You

561
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.799
<v Speaker 1>ended up joining one of the services, correct I did.

562
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 2>I joined the Air Force in nineteen ninety.

563
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Eight, and during that time there in your email you

564
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>said you may have seen some interesting things happen that

565
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 1>you can share about.

566
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could talk about anything you want to talk about.

567
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>The stuff that I saw was more and I'm not

568
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>going to say say it like it's separate, because as

569
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, paranormals or big umbrella and all the other

570
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>like sort of subgenre like uthology, crypt zoology, you know,

571
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and these all that fall under the paranormal umbrella, goes,

572
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So the encounters that I had were more

573
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 2>like UFO slash UAP even though I don't like to

574
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 2>use that term, but I've heard other like servicemen's stories.

575
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 2>There's this war that's going on, which I wanted to

576
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>talk to you about because I know that you're really

577
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>trying hard. I've been listening to the last free shows.

578
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to find people to talk to you about

579
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>some sort of hyenacryptid, right, am I correct?

580
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Dude? You know it? Man, you're listening my brother?

581
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, okay, because I'm trying to find people to

582
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 3>talk about this more out at Vegas called cat Man,

583
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 3>which could be correlated to what you're trying to find,

584
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 3>but thinking about it, and this is just me thinking

585
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 3>and talking.

586
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not speaking for anybody else. I think Catman, this

587
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>war that that I've heard about is a misidentified dog man,

588
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 2>So it's another rabbit hole. But listening to you and

589
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you've talked to a few people and a lot of

590
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the characters characteristics are very similar and what I've been

591
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to find as well, like the information I'm trying

592
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>to find, I think it's connected in some way, because man,

593
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>it's really all connected. But my like I said, my

594
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>personal experiences, they're all are generally you are formulated or

595
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>shadow man shadow people, which I don't know if you're

596
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 2>aware of that phenomenon, but that's something that's followed me

597
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 2>my whole life.

598
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 1>So you have your whole life.

599
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>My whole life, dude, my whole life, my kids, my

600
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>kids seeing them you know, yeah, my brother.

601
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Is that thing where you're like seeing the figure out

602
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the out of the corner of your eye, or.

603
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It's a combination of like it's some sort of like

604
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a shadow thing. I don't know what it is. I

605
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody knows what it is. A lot of

606
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>times it gets correlated with like aliens, but I don't

607
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>believe that's what it is. It could be. I don't know,

608
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, but it's it's sometimes it's a sort of

609
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like a shadowy apparition that has what could be to

610
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>stue it as a head and you know, limbs, you know,

611
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>like arms and feet, or it could be just like

612
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 2>this blob sort of thing. And I've experienced since I

613
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>was like a little kid, and it's followed me throughout

614
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 2>my life. Now I'm living in a newer place right now,

615
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>and I just hit the fifty clubs like two months ago.

616
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I've been here for two months and I haven't had

617
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>any incidences so far, and I'm hoping that that's it.

618
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't ever have to deal with it again. But

619
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.519
<v Speaker 2>it's always like looming around the corner that something might happen.

620
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>So far nothing has. But before living in this place

621
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>all the way till I was a kid, I've always

622
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>had these experiences with these what they call these shadow beings.

623
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Even when you're on the base as well.

624
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, there was an incident on the base

625
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>where like, do you want me to do you want

626
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 2>me to kind of get into it a little bit?

627
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you mind? Because I know that's a big foot.

628
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Like, so here's the thing, I say, we go for it.

629
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this is one of many incidents that went

630
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 2>on on the base. I wasn't involved, per se, I

631
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>was on shift. It's a context thing, so so bear

632
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>with me. At the time, I was working in the armory.

633
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>But you don't you join the military, you don't get

634
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>jobs like that right off the bat. You have to

635
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of work ground levels. So when I went to Nellis,

636
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I was just essentially a security guard. Nellis has pretty

637
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.280
<v Speaker 2>much two sort of areas. You have your main base

638
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and you have the spot back then, which doesn't exist anymore.

639
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the the structures exist there, but nobody works

640
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 2>there anymore. It's a spot cal area too, right. So Vegas,

641
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>as you know, or Nevada as you know, has Area

642
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>fifty one. They also have a base there that nobody

643
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 2>really talks about called Creech Air Force Base, which used

644
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 2>to be called Indian Springs that has its own, you know, backgrounds.

645
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>But I worked at Area two in an Area two.

646
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>They housedclear weapons. At the time, we were probably the

647
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>second place on this planet that had the most nukes okay,

648
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in the world. Another air force base. So I worked

649
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 2>at Area two and I started as a guard there

650
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>what they call a century and I did it for

651
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 2>about a year until I put in for a job

652
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>to work in the armory, still at Area two. So

653
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>this incident happened while I was working an armory. So

654
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>my shift at the time we worked twelve hours shifts,

655
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 2>three days on three days off. I worked from I

656
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>think six at nine to six in the morning. So

657
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>this incident happened probably like ground eight o'clock at night

658
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and lasted all the way until like two three in

659
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the morning. So you had like this patrol. They wound

660
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.639
<v Speaker 2>up stopping to take like a quick break, and at

661
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the time, the two vehicles that were primarily used were

662
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 2>flatbed you know, pickup trucks, and then you had humbs.

663
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Those were the permarity, like two vehicles. So the centuries

664
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that were on the fence line, they're called the perimeter.

665
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Like I guess guards. There was certain spots where they

666
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 2>can stop and just like blacks, take break and then

667
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 2>go back to doing their shift. So this each patrol

668
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>has two members, particularly the let me get this straight,

669
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>so the perimeter patrols have two individuals per vehicle. Okay,

670
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in the vehicle you have at least two and four

671
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>car bonds, and then one of them has two or

672
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>three attached to it, right, So when they take their breaks,

673
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>they have to have their weapons on them at all time.

674
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Obviously they're not supposed to sleep. They have to be

675
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>as visualant as they can. But you know, cops do

676
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>cops do. Sometimes people do things on the job they're

677
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to do. So one individual will tell the

678
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 2>other one, I'm gonna take a nap real quick, wake

679
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 2>me up if any of the you know, higher ups

680
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>come by whatever. So the one's like all right. So

681
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they're hanging out and next thing you know, they notice

682
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 2>that their truck starts to go down like towards the back,

683
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and as one guy looks through the rear view mirror,

684
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>he sees like the silhouette of something sitting in the

685
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>back of his truck, and so he tells the other guy, Hey,

686
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody sitting in the back now. Not to go

687
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 2>into too much detail, every flight in a flight is

688
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 2>essentially a group of people that handle a shift for

689
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 2>a certain time. Every flight has to do what they

690
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>call an exercise, like the exercise scenario, and that's to

691
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>keep us, you know, on our toes and to keep

692
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 2>the knowledge in case something goes down, we know what

693
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to do. So usually the flight chiefs, the person who

694
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I call the head coach of that group that flight,

695
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 2>he has to run that or if he's not working

696
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 2>that day, his assistant will run it, usually to another

697
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 2>what they call a non commissioned officer. That assistant can't

698
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>do it. Usually every flight has what they call an officer,

699
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 2>which is usually like a lieutenant. He'll run it so

700
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>automatically they thought it was like an exercise, and they

701
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 2>call it on the radio, Hey, is there an exercise

702
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 2>going on? The control who gets receives these calls calls

703
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>calls them back on the radio. And says, no, there's

704
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>no exercise. What's going on, And so they begin to explain, hey,

705
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody sitting on the back of our truck. We

706
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know who it is. That the exercise. Next thing,

707
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, this thing jumps off the car, returns back

708
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to its basic form, and it starts running through the desert.

709
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>So then it goes from it not being an exercise

710
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to now this actual real world. That means there's somebody

711
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>on the bas an intruder. So now they're dispatching controls

712
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 2>to specific area where this thing was. Now this is

713
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>happening on one side of Area Too, now Area two.

714
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Like if I had to describe it, it looks like

715
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the shape of like New York City. It's elongated, so

716
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>it's probably maybe you know, three four miles one way

717
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and maybe like five six miles another way. So on

718
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>one side of Area Too, you have this patrol that

719
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>called this thing in. Another patrol is chasing this thing.

720
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>And then another call comes in on the other side

721
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>that they're seeing two people running through the desert. So

722
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 2>this goes on, like I said, for hours to the

723
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 2>wee hours of the morning, where they're chasing these things

724
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that are jumping behind vehicles. They're shining flashlights and they

725
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>don't see anything. They chase things into a building, they

726
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>search the whole building, talked about them. Nothing's in there.

727
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Next day, flight chief comes in, it says, this never happened.

728
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Don't talk about it. You'll get in trouble, essentially. And

729
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.159
<v Speaker 2>it's not the first time that happened to happened. I

730
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 2>think like two or three times at the Bay, so

731
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that those types things happened at.

732
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Like mellis, wait, are you going to get in trouble?

733
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.280
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I've been out for so long and

734
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, I mean people talk about all the time.

735
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, I got out in two thousand and two,

736
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 2>so I'm good and if they want to come get me,

737
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it's only going to prove my point. So well, I

738
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:18.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

739
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot of the military. And so

740
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>is it after a certain period of time that you

741
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 1>can start talking about stuff.

742
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 2>For I think it's like twenty years.

743
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so you're good.

744
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 2>I should be good, man. I'm not worried about it.

745
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Not the first guy on this podcast to spill some

746
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 1>military secrets, So that's weird. So you think maybe shadow

747
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 1>people or you have no idea what it was.

748
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what they were calling them. They were calling

749
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>them the shadow, you know, and and the description was

750
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that they were like seven eight feet tall, like you know.

751
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because they the description back then was what

752
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>you would call like the hat man or what is

753
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 2>that thing that that pasta very elongated looking character.

754
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, hat man or slender man probably that's it.

755
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Slender manish, like very slender manish, you know, very uncharacteristic,

756
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I mean I've seen stuff like that,

757
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like I've seen that in

758
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, past residences, and you know, when I did

759
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>work at NILS, I had a few experiences with those

760
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 2>things or whatever they are. So I mean, you know, yeah,

761
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>those things happen. They're real, you know.

762
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 1>That's so wild. And then the wildest part is this

763
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 1>never happened. Don't talk about it, but you mentioned it

764
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But I want to. I want to

765
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>get into it. To tell me what is cat Man.

766
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious about what. I haven't heard of cat

767
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Man yet.

768
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I knew about cat Man when I first

769
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>got to Ellis. I didn't hear about cat Man until

770
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of this year on another podcast towards the

771
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>end of that show, because they were talking about another

772
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>topic and this person decided, oh, let me tell you

773
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 2>about this thing. And this person worked in the Vegas area,

774
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know where they worked. They weren't. They

775
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 2>were kind of cryptic about what where they worked and

776
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.039
<v Speaker 2>what type of job they had. I want to say

777
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 2>they were working Air National Guard because they didn't just

778
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>stay straight up military Air Force. But they could have

779
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 2>worked like you know, DD, maybe out there Department of Defense.

780
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.679
<v Speaker 2>But this person brought up Catman. That's the only other

781
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 2>person that I've heard of that brought up cat Man

782
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>when it pertains to the battle. So when I first

783
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>got to the base, first off, how I got to

784
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the base and everything leading up to how I got

785
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 2>to the base is you know, weird in of itself.

786
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 2>That's the story of my life essentially, like the weirdest

787
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>craft happens to me. I don't know why, and people

788
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>don't believe me until I explain to them and they're like,

789
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>holy cow, how did that happen? But anyway, I want

790
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>up getting to Nevada and I want to you know,

791
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 2>getting you know, Nella's Air Force Base as my duty station,

792
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.280
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't realize that I'm in like where Area

793
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 2>sixty one is. For some reason, it just didn't hit

794
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>me until I had my first experience like two months later,

795
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, that one experience with the triangle, you know,

796
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 2>lights in the pattern. I started to do like research.

797
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, I had to be careful because obviously they

798
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>don't want you doing that specifically if you're in uniform.

799
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, they don't want you touching any of those topics.

800
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 2>But I remember having a conversation with the coworker and

801
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>telling me about this this thing called Catman. Okay, so

802
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>what's Catman? Catman is this scripted that looks like a

803
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>cat and it's bipedal, but it can go on all

804
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>fours and it's been running around like the Knell's testing

805
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:55.280
<v Speaker 2>range for years. Okay. That was the first like story

806
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that I heard or account that I heard. At first.

807
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 2>It's it sounded stupid catman, you know, like Bigfoot. I

808
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>mean that's been you know, people have been talking about

809
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 2>a few years. But you can use the train sasquatch

810
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to sound stupid. I guess right,

811
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then you know where wolf, Like, the

812
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>term dog man didn't exist back then. Nobody was saying

813
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>dog man, you know, so here in Campman it was

814
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a joke to me, even though I

815
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 2>was into like paranormal but it was kind of stupid,

816
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't until like it was an individual. I'll

817
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 2>say his first name. I can't say his last name,

818
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 2>but his first name is Toby. He worked at main

819
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>base in law enforcement. So main base had law enforcement

820
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and they had some security because they had a flight

821
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 2>line over there. And then like I said, Area two,

822
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>which was probably a couple of miles from the main base,

823
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 2>was just all security, right, so sometimes they would flip

824
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>flop like meaning they would send people from you know,

825
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Area two to main base to fill in spots towards

826
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>law enforce meet and vice versa. So they wound up

827
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 2>not sending him to do a couple of jobs. They

828
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 2>completely transferred him over, which he was because he wanted

829
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to be a cop and he wanted to

830
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>get as much you know, experience being a cop law

831
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>enforcement in the military before he went on to be

832
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 2>like an actual cop. So they transferred him over and

833
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 2>then you know, we became friends, and there were times

834
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>where him and I would be on post together and

835
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 2>we just have like these crazy conversations.

836
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Big for a society, who would be right back after

837
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>these messages.

838
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 2>So at the time, his wife was working for the

839
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 2>National Guard out there, and I believe that they were

840
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>somewhere the National Guard station was somewhere between Las Vegas

841
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and Perumph, maybe maybe Rachel Nevada, I'm not sure, but

842
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the realm they had like their own guard

843
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>station and she would have to go out, you know,

844
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think once or twice a month and do work. Apparently,

845
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>her partner told her that his uncle did contract work

846
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>for Area fifty one and has to build this sort

847
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of like like this huge cage right to house something

848
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>in it. They didn't tell the uncle, you know, too

849
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 2>much detail because they leave things out for obvious reasons.

850
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 2>They don't want people like contractors that are from the

851
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:33.760
<v Speaker 2>outside to start running their mouth about what they're working on.

852
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's always like the right hand doesn't know what

853
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the left hand's doing, understand, you know. So they'll only

854
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>tell a person so much just so they can get

855
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the job done, pay them, get them up, you know,

856
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and then if they need them again, they'll call them

857
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and have them do it again. So he had to

858
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>build like this sort of like call it like almost

859
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>like an encampment sort of thing, like this cage. I

860
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know how many miles wide or whatever, but he

861
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>wound up building it. He was allowed to go into

862
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 2>every fifty one into the chow hall in there to eat.

863
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 2>The description was that when you get inside the chow hall,

864
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>all the windows are blocked out because they do like

865
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>experiments with things, and they don't want people seeing anything.

866
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>When you're getting your food, you have to be a

867
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.719
<v Speaker 2>certain distance away from the person in front of you

868
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:24.039
<v Speaker 2>so that you don't spark conversation. Okay, So apparently he

869
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>was in line getting his food and one of the

870
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 2>individuals who works there, I don't know if it was

871
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>like an engineer or something, one of having a conversation

872
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>with him one's supposed to, and he asked him, are

873
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 2>you the one that built that encampment? And you know,

874
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>he kind of noded his head because he really wasn't

875
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to talk. And so the guy told him the

876
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.039
<v Speaker 2>reason why they built his encampment is because they were

877
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>The military is involved in this hybridization program. Okay, so

878
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>hang with me, Jeremiah. Supposedly this hybridization program is to

879
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>create like these weapons. Right. These weapons have to do

880
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 2>with like mixing the DNA of animals to create like

881
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 2>this weapon. Right, So essentially what do they call the chimeras. Essentially,

882
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 2>so they mixed these DNA and they mess with these

883
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>animals to try to create and control them to use

884
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>them as weapons. And so that was the reason why

885
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 2>this guy built this sort of cage or this encampment,

886
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>because they wanted to throw this thing that they created

887
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 2>in there, throw animals in there to see it's hunting

888
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 2>patterns and see how they can possibly control it. And

889
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 2>so one day they called this the Uncle back and say, hey,

890
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 2>we need you to make some repairs on the fence.

891
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>So when he showed up, there was like a hole

892
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 2>in the fence, but it wasn't a hole where it

893
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 2>was going inward. It was a hole that was going outward.

894
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.000
<v Speaker 2>So something busted out of it, so they asked them

895
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to fix that up. So supposedly this is a creature

896
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>of creatures that are running around you know, the Another's

897
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 2>testing range, that have like the look of like a cat,

898
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:10.920
<v Speaker 2>but like I said, I believe that it could be

899
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 2>something that's connected to this hyender crypto you've been wanting

900
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>to know about, or it could be a misidentified dog man.

901
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 2>So let me make another connection, if you'll mind. Have

902
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 2>you heard of Kenny Leach? I think that's what his

903
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 2>name is. Have you heard of that?

904
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, this is all This is all great because it's

905
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 1>all new stuff for me, So go right ahead.

906
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So when you get a chance to look that up.

907
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>This individual, I think his name is Kenny Leach. He's

908
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>a hiker, lived in Nevada, and he would hike all over,

909
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.400
<v Speaker 2>like the trails and the mountains all over Nevada. So

910
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>one day he goes into this area he's never really

911
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.960
<v Speaker 2>been before, and he finds like this cave that's kind

912
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of shaped like an M and it really got his attention.

913
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>So he started walking walking towards it, and for whatever reason,

914
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.840
<v Speaker 2>he stopped and he felt like this this pressure on

915
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 2>his chest and he didn't know what it was, and

916
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>they kind of scared him, so he wound up leaving.

917
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 2>He had his own YouTube channel at the time, and

918
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>it still exists. If I'm not mistaken, you might you

919
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 2>probably can see these videos yourself. But he starts talking

920
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 2>about this m cave and the situation had happened because

921
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you have trolls all over the internet. There was trolls

922
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that were hitting them up and like oh, they were

923
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 2>calling him a liar and you know the blah. So

924
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 2>he said, all right, I'm gonna go with the camera

925
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.519
<v Speaker 2>this time and I'm going to show you this M cave.

926
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>So he wound up going on this trip and he disappeared.

927
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows where he went, and there's been people that

928
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>have been trying to follow his traps to see if

929
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>they could find this M cave. And I believe a

930
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of people maybe have found the mkave, but they

931
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 2>haven't gone in there. Now. Listening to other podcasts and

932
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, people have tried to break things down

933
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and some people say that the reason why he had

934
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.760
<v Speaker 2>that feeling on his chest because it was possibly infrasound

935
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.800
<v Speaker 2>from each from from some sort of creature encryptid. Also

936
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 2>in some of his videos that he that he's done

937
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>where he wasn't looking for the m K but he

938
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was just out there just looking around and he found

939
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>other caves. Some people say that they can see like

940
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>eyeshine coming out of some of those caves. But that

941
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>would be something that you would have to probably look

942
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 2>into a little bit more, you know, because I mean

943
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 2>it could be just you know, parodolia. You know, it

944
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>looks like eyes, but it's not really. It's maybe a

945
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>reflection of a rock or something. But Kenny vat yet

946
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of somewhat connected to that, you know. And

947
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 2>then if you if you look on the map of

948
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 2>like Vegas, and you put a dot where nellis Air

949
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Force Bass, and then you put a dot at this

950
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.400
<v Speaker 2>other air Force base, which again I told you not

951
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people talk about. It's called Creech air

952
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Force Base Creach and it's they used to call it

953
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Indian Springs. And then you put a dot where these

954
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>this it's called Snake Mountain. This is around the area

955
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 2>where Kenny Reats disappeared. It forms a triangle. Okay, probably nothing.

956
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could probably make a triangle out of

957
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>anything if you put dots in certain spots. But I'm

958
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 2>just saying like they're all connected. People don't realize that,

959
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Like the Knells Testing range is huge. To me, my

960
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>opinion is my words. I feel like the military pretty

961
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 2>much owns like Nevada. I think the Nulls testing ranges

962
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 2>like all of Nevada, okay, because I mean they own

963
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of land out there, and that includes area

964
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty one, that includes this place they call ESPORI where

965
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Bob Zaza all that. I feel like that's all connected,

966
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you know. And for sure there's underground systems because when

967
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I was working an area too, we had these things

968
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.400
<v Speaker 2>called culverts, right, and they had like these these piping

969
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 2>systems that would I was told went from inside the

970
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 2>area to outside the area. But no, they didn't just

971
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 2>go outside the area. They went underground. They were facing downward,

972
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>going down into the ground. So why would they have

973
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.840
<v Speaker 2>these tunnels that go into the ground if they don't

974
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>have an underground system or you know what I mean?

975
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 1>That is wild. I mean it's way outside of like

976
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 1>what I usually look into. But it's just fascinating, this

977
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 1>whole catman thing. Because I did a quick search, I

978
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>can't find anything about this cat man. Like if listeners

979
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>know more about it, put it in the comments.

980
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would please if you can send anybody my

981
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 2>way about it, or if they could talk to you

982
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>about it. I would love to hear more about it

983
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>because I know, and I don't know much about it

984
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>other than that. Also, let me tell you another story

985
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>having to do with possible catman. So I'm working on

986
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 2>armory one night and I'm in a building inside of

987
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a room, so I'm like really deep inside of like

988
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 2>a building, right, So the main building you walk in,

989
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that's where all of the troops come to arm up.

990
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 2>My job is to arm up the troops that are

991
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>coming on to shift, and then the shift that's leading

992
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.840
<v Speaker 2>to take their equipment and weapons, making sure that they're

993
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 2>in good shape and whatnot. They don't give me, you know,

994
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 2>messed up weapons and equipment, and then I just hang out.

995
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I do work inside of the armory, whether it's like

996
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 2>clounting animal or cleaning weapons or anything along those lines.

997
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 2>But one night I'm in there, I have the radio

998
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 2>on and I hear like commotion in the main room

999
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:36.119
<v Speaker 2>where people arm up. I'm hearing yelling and streaming. So

1000
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I open up like the gate because we have like

1001
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>the gate you have to open up where we receive

1002
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the weapon blah blah blah. And one individual I know,

1003
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and the other individual was like a newer troop. He

1004
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>was pretty much like a one stripe air Essentially, he's

1005
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the chair. He looks white as he goes.

1006
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.440
<v Speaker 2>He has his head down, and the other person that

1007
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I know is telling the other person that that really happened,

1008
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.679
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. So I'm asking them, like what's going on?

1009
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And I thought it was like an exercise, that they

1010
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 2>were doing excise and they were trying to involve me

1011
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 2>because I know that the flight chief sometimes likes to

1012
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>involve anybody, but before he involves the armory, he has

1013
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to call the army and let them know. He can't

1014
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>just do an exercise and involve the armory because we

1015
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 2>have our own protocols, right, So I'm thinking, is this

1016
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>an exercise? How come I wasn't called blah blah blah,

1017
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.599
<v Speaker 2>And these guys are like, no, there's not an exercise.

1018
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>And then I noticed the two guys that are sitting

1019
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 2>in there. They're not supposed to be inside of the

1020
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.400
<v Speaker 2>area too. They're supposed to be the outside community patrol.

1021
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>It's called OSCAR patrol. So for some reason they can't inside,

1022
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and I'm wondering what they're doing inside there means there's

1023
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>nobody outside, you know, garden. They came in because they

1024
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 2>were on one of these bluffs that overlook the backside

1025
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 2>of the area too, and as they were about to

1026
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.039
<v Speaker 2>back out to leave, they heard this roar or what

1027
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 2>they call a scream roar, that's what they described it,

1028
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 2>that shook the hum v that they were in, and

1029
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 2>they almost drove off the side of the cliffs, which

1030
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.079
<v Speaker 2>would have killed them, but they wound up like you know,

1031
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>getting out of there. And then one damil decided, I'm

1032
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>going home for the night. I don't feel well. And

1033
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.400
<v Speaker 2>then the other one said he wanted to switch his

1034
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 2>post and he wound up having to switch his post.

1035
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 2>So that's a possible catman or some sort of cryptid

1036
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.000
<v Speaker 2>thing that happened. But I'm not.

1037
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Sure, dude, I'll bets are off after hearing about potential

1038
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.519
<v Speaker 1>chimeric catman. I mean, who knows what kind of creature

1039
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that could have been. But if it's enough to shake

1040
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 1>a humvee, my goodness.

1041
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because I mean these cryptids, you hear, like even

1042
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 2>with like Sasquad, they their vocals project so strongly that

1043
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.320
<v Speaker 2>they shake things, you know, shake wing nails and stuff

1044
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 2>like that. So who knows what this was? And there

1045
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.360
<v Speaker 2>are bigfoot out in Vegas. I mean and that are

1046
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.679
<v Speaker 2>not in Vegas like gambling or anything. But I'm just saying, like,

1047
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.559
<v Speaker 2>there's people that have set out in the Sierra Nevadas

1048
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and all that that they see, you know, bigfoots out there.

1049
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 2>So absolutely who knows, who knows Jeremont, who knows? You know,

1050
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you one more epperience because I don't

1051
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>want to. I don't want to. Like, this is something

1052
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>that happened again while I was in Florida, but it

1053
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.519
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen to me. It happened to a friend of mine.

1054
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay at the time.

1055
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is like really quick. Okay, So this individual

1056
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 2>that I used to hang out with is not into

1057
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 2>the paranormal at all, like they He knows I'm into

1058
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the paranorm but he's not into it. He never talks

1059
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.719
<v Speaker 2>about it. I would bring up, hey, did you see

1060
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 2>this doctum? You should see this documentary. This documentary is cool,

1061
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.239
<v Speaker 2>but he's not into any of that stuff. It's happened

1062
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 2>like around twenty twelve. Okay, so at the time he

1063
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 2>was working for a pharmaceutical company in this sort of

1064
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.800
<v Speaker 2>industrial like area. But again in Florida, you have areas

1065
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>of work, areas of swamp areas of areas where people

1066
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 2>live area, you know, swamp area. It's all mixed in

1067
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and they're all connected. So he would go to the

1068
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 2>back very frequently to smoke because he was a smoker.

1069
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And in the back there was probably like a gate

1070
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 2>which separated the swamp from you know, from the job.

1071
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 2>And he said there was like this really huge retention pond,

1072
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and every time he would go back there, he would

1073
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 2>see like the gators swimming and chasing after each other,

1074
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.639
<v Speaker 2>you know. So one day he said he went back there,

1075
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and he called me right after this happened. But he

1076
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.280
<v Speaker 2>said he went back there and something told him to

1077
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 2>look in the specific area and it was high, you know,

1078
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 2>high like shrubbery or brush that was probably like six

1079
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.599
<v Speaker 2>or seven feet tall, and there was this one tree

1080
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and next thing, you know, something steps out of the tree.

1081
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 2>And he said all he could see was like a shoulder,

1082
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 2>a chest, and part of like maybe abs and it

1083
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.440
<v Speaker 2>stood there literally for like five six seconds, and then

1084
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 2>it went right back in. And he told me, like

1085
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 2>lost his you know what, he lost his mind, calls

1086
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 2>me up. I can't understand what he's He's like yelling,

1087
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>he's saying, am I crazy, He's saying all these weird things.

1088
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And then he finally explained it to me, like what

1089
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 2>it was. And I was like, was it a horse?

1090
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:11.880
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, why would a horse be in the swamp?

1091
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Asked him if it was a bear. He said, the

1092
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.960
<v Speaker 2>shoulder of this thing was manly. He said it was

1093
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.679
<v Speaker 2>like a man's, like like a ripped man's shoulder. He

1094
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>said it was like you could see the biceps of it.

1095
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.519
<v Speaker 2>He said you couldn't see the hand because there was

1096
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 2>like shrubbery covering it kind of, but he said that

1097
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it was a part of a chest. He was like,

1098
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 2>whatever this was was like a hulk, he explained, it

1099
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 2>like a brown hulk, like a cinnamon brown hulk.

1100
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>That is so strange.

1101
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 2>This is in central Florida. But I've talked to people

1102
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like I've talked to David Adoity. I don't know if

1103
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 2>you're aware of David's adity. He's a researcher out here

1104
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>in Florida. Stacy Brown Junior. I talked to him and

1105
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.039
<v Speaker 2>he confirms, for sure, in central Florida there's tons of

1106
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.039
<v Speaker 2>like little pockets, little groups of skunk cape out here

1107
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:10.239
<v Speaker 2>in Central Florida.

1108
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

1109
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Not just in like in the Everglades or let's say

1110
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like an o'calla natural park where there's been fightings. But

1111
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, in Cassimi is the history of skunk capes

1112
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and Cassimi going way back to like the ninth early

1113
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundreds, you know, So they're out here. It's just

1114
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 2>people who probably have seen them and they just don't

1115
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.559
<v Speaker 2>report them because they think that people aren't going to

1116
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:53.880
<v Speaker 2>believe them and things like that.

1117
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, Well, if anyone would know, it would be

1118
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Stacy Brown Junior. For sure. He's he's got his eyes

1119
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>is everywhere down there, that guy is. He's a wild dude, Chris,

1120
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.559
<v Speaker 1>can I can I ask you one more question, just

1121
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 1>because I've been looking at this thing in your email

1122
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.320
<v Speaker 1>that you put in and I can't let you go

1123
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.000
<v Speaker 1>if you can at least talk a few minutes about it.

1124
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 1>You said that you have a feeling that you may

1125
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.519
<v Speaker 1>have seen a werewolf about six months ago.

1126
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about six seven months ago. Man, Okay, So I

1127
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 2>don't understand, Like again, don't I don't manifest these things.

1128
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't call for these things to happen to me.

1129
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 2>I've never called for these things to happen to me,

1130
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>but after they happen, I just don't have any answer

1131
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>as to why, you know why. Maybe one day I'll

1132
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.840
<v Speaker 2>find out. I don't know, but anyway, I'm a very

1133
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 2>habitual person. And it could be because maybe I'm autistic

1134
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know it, because there was no such

1135
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.480
<v Speaker 2>thing as autism when I was growing up. But I'm

1136
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 2>very patronistic. I do things in patterns, and I'd just

1137
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.320
<v Speaker 2>like to do things a certain way. And I'm not

1138
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.000
<v Speaker 2>really a fan of change too much unless it makes

1139
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.199
<v Speaker 2>sense to me. So this is when I was living

1140
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 2>at the house prior to what I'm living at now.

1141
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 2>The house that I was living prior my wife and

1142
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I owned. You know, the market was good for us

1143
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and we wound up selling it. But I would drive

1144
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.559
<v Speaker 2>to work the same route and then drive home the

1145
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:28.679
<v Speaker 2>exact same route. Okay, So if anybody wants to look

1146
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 2>up on them, not this area. I'm telling you there's

1147
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.960
<v Speaker 2>something in this area in East Orlando near UCF University

1148
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.760
<v Speaker 2>of Central Florida. There's a lot of like patches of

1149
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 2>swamp lands in there, particularly in this area where it's

1150
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 2>called j Blanchard Park area off of Rause Road. Okay,

1151
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.679
<v Speaker 2>so I lived off of Ralphs Road, but probably about

1152
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 2>three four miles from the park, and I would take

1153
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Ralps Road all the time. Hit this boulevard, Colled University Boulevard.

1154
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.800
<v Speaker 2>That boulevard, if you go one way, it runs right

1155
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.400
<v Speaker 2>into the UCF and if you go the opposite ways,

1156
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.639
<v Speaker 2>that's where I would go to work. Jay Blanchard Park

1157
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 2>itself is a park mixed with the swamp. Like literally

1158
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.639
<v Speaker 2>you can be jogging and then you have a retention

1159
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 2>pond right next the way you're jogging and gets just

1160
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 2>right there hanging out. No problem. Right from what I know,

1161
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>there hasn't been any incident of anybody getting injured. You

1162
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:29.599
<v Speaker 2>have people literally picnicking right on the edge of that

1163
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 2>retention pond with gators, like right there, no problems. Right

1164
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 2>across from that retention pond is heavily swamp and that

1165
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 2>runs all the way from Rouse Road the backside all

1166
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.039
<v Speaker 2>the way to this other park called Dean and then

1167
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.559
<v Speaker 2>it runs diagonally across towards University Boulevard and there's like

1168
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.320
<v Speaker 2>this little bridge area where water goes like underneath. I

1169
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's like a sort of creek and

1170
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it continues on it. So there's nothing but nass swamp

1171
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 2>area there, and there's these little side streets on Ross Road.

1172
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Now I just took the main roads. I took Raus

1173
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.920
<v Speaker 2>University Bangal left to go to work. I'm my way back.

1174
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I hit University Bangle right on Raus Go straight towards

1175
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 2>my house. For about a week, they were doing work

1176
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.000
<v Speaker 2>on University Boulevard on the road, and so they were

1177
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 2>courting off certain lanes and that would cause like heavy traffic.

1178
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 2>So after about a week of this, like I kind

1179
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of got tired and I really just wanted to go home,

1180
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and I decided, oh, there's a street coming up that

1181
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I can kind of cut across and then take another

1182
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>side road, you know, as a shortcut to get home.

1183
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:44.760
<v Speaker 2>So I wound up busting or right on Dean Road,

1184
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.880
<v Speaker 2>which is part of that area that I talked about.

1185
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.599
<v Speaker 2>But somebody else had the same idea as me. There

1186
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 2>was a car that was in front of me, about

1187
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty car links ahead of me. There's kind of

1188
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 2>like a goldish cream like car, so it's like twenty

1189
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty carlings ahead of me. So I bust my right.

1190
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.039
<v Speaker 2>It's already like ahead of me. It's about to make

1191
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.360
<v Speaker 2>this left on a road called Buck Road. Now, anybody

1192
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 2>can do this if they want you. They can look

1193
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 2>up Jay Blanchard Park, Central Florida and look it up

1194
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 2>on a map like aerial view, and you'll see that

1195
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 2>there's so much swampy lands there. Anything could be in there. Anything.

1196
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.199
<v Speaker 2>So when I make my left on Buck Road, this

1197
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.719
<v Speaker 2>car is significantly ahead of me. So I'm starting to

1198
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 2>somewhat catch up to it. And we're about like halfway

1199
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:38.440
<v Speaker 2>between Buck Road and that shortcut to hit Rouse Road

1200
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.320
<v Speaker 2>right because I'm taking a shortcut right, I'm about to

1201
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.880
<v Speaker 2>make my right on not about you, but I would

1202
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.119
<v Speaker 2>be making a right on Rous Road to them head home.

1203
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.960
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, the car in front of me

1204
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.079
<v Speaker 2>slows down for a little bit, like slows down, and

1205
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.880
<v Speaker 2>then just takes off. Okay, now that's not the first

1206
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.400
<v Speaker 2>time I've ever seen something like that, because people tend

1207
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 2>to use their phones a lot when they're driving and

1208
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.199
<v Speaker 2>they don't realize that they're slowing down or maybe that

1209
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 2>they're speeding up. So in my mind, I'm thinking this

1210
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 2>car slowed down because maybe they were doing something with

1211
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the phone and they realized they had to take off

1212
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and go somewhere or whatever. But it slowed down and

1213
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.280
<v Speaker 2>then it just took off. So as I'm approaching the

1214
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 2>same area that this car was at again, it's like

1215
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.920
<v Speaker 2>a wall of like nothing but you know, swamp land, tree, shrubbery,

1216
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and then it opens up and you can see somewhat

1217
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.599
<v Speaker 2>of a field. And as I'm driving and Jeremiah, this

1218
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.639
<v Speaker 2>is like literally a seven second incident, but a lot

1219
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 2>happened in the seven seconds. As I'm driving and I

1220
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.639
<v Speaker 2>look over. I don't know why I looked over, but

1221
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I looked over. There's a little bit of an open field.

1222
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 2>There's something standing there. So all I notice is pointy ears,

1223
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.400
<v Speaker 2>mouth open with fanes. I noticed somewhat of a tour

1224
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.159
<v Speaker 2>so I noticed two legs, not four, but two. So

1225
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.440
<v Speaker 2>whatever this is is standing on two legs, okay, and

1226
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 2>it's clinging in colors okay. So in my head I'm thinking, stump, No,

1227
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it's this somebody playing a joke, like in some sort

1228
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.159
<v Speaker 2>of costume, you know, because mind you, I'm in a

1229
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.280
<v Speaker 2>vehicle and I drive a Nissan and it's not high

1230
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.920
<v Speaker 2>off the ground. So this was above the car because

1231
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I had to look up at it. This was above

1232
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the car, and it's probably about twenty feet away from

1233
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 2>me into you know, into this like field, okay, And

1234
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 2>even in that seven seconds, I noticed slight movement and

1235
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I attribute that to it breathing, like breeding in and out,

1236
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.599
<v Speaker 2>like the slight movement of it. And then I mean

1237
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I came to my senses because I'm realizing there was

1238
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a car that was ahead of me, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where that car is right now. So if I

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<v Speaker 2>rear end this car, then I'm stuck and this car

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with whatever that is. So I had to like

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<v Speaker 2>snap out of it and then realize, Okay, the car's

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01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.880
<v Speaker 2>significantly ahead of me, and it's already made its turn

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<v Speaker 2>on rouse like like I was gonna make my turn,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I just kind of just took off. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't scared because I'm in the car going forward

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<v Speaker 2>at like forty miles an hour, you know. And the

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<v Speaker 2>feeling I got is the first car saw it, it

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01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:30.359
<v Speaker 2>got surprised because it got seen by this car it

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01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.680
<v Speaker 2>was about to like maybe tink off. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>come by and I see it too, So it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like Oh crap, I've been seen, so I don't

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01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.960
<v Speaker 2>think it would have made me chased me or anything

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01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.399
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know. My fear more was, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the car possibly in front of me, or hitting

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01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 2>something or hitting somebody, and then I'm stuck with whatever

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<v Speaker 2>this thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wild. I think the wildest part is that you

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<v Speaker 1>had to look up at it where you were situated

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<v Speaker 1>in the car. That's so crazy, man, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, I would never thought in the Millionaires,

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<v Speaker 2>even with any of my other experiences, that I would

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<v Speaker 2>see something like that, because even though I've heard like

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01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.800
<v Speaker 2>accounts from this show and other shows, and I do

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01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.279
<v Speaker 2>believe that there's something out there, and never thought in

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<v Speaker 2>the Millionaires that I would see it in the daytime. Nonetheless,

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01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.720
<v Speaker 2>because this is like five twenty pm and the sun

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01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.079
<v Speaker 2>is still out, so this thing is out in the daytime,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy. So open mouth, teeth all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Chest, Yes, man, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Say the name of the park again, please, J.

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<v Speaker 2>Blanchard. So that's J A Y B L A N

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<v Speaker 2>C H A R D J. Blanchard Park. Listen up

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<v Speaker 2>and off off of Rouse Road R O U S

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<v Speaker 2>E R O a d ross road in central Florida

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<v Speaker 2>and look on the map and you'll see that area.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something definitely out there. But this is this

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01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 2>is you go. You drive through Florida, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine it's the same thing like if you drive through

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01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.279
<v Speaker 2>like Pennsylvania. You know, if you're from Pennsylvania, you probably

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01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.600
<v Speaker 2>don't notice these things because you're thinking about every day

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01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.159
<v Speaker 2>life whatever. But just how much terrain is out there

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01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:26.199
<v Speaker 2>where you don't see people coming in and out of

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01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 2>there where? Okay, So I feel like in Pennsylvania or

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01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.479
<v Speaker 2>somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, let's say, like a person

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01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.520
<v Speaker 2>can drive off the side of the road and just

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01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.479
<v Speaker 2>go hiking those type of places. You can't do that

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01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in Florida. You can't do that. In Florida. You can't

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01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.680
<v Speaker 2>walk into like some sort of marshy, swampy area because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're not just worried about maybe like a

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01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.039
<v Speaker 2>big cats or bear, you're worried about gators and snakes

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01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:54.119
<v Speaker 2>and possibly falling into a retention upon and drowning. You

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01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.439
<v Speaker 2>don't have that in like Cali or in Pennsylvania. Like

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01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure you have lakes and creeks there, but

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01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not. I don't think it's at a point where

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<v Speaker 2>you wal, can you take the one step right? Next thing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're in water and if you disball the

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01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:07.720
<v Speaker 2>water in Pennsylvania, there's what's going to beat you. You

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01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:09.920
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Absolutely, you're going to eat you

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01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.479
<v Speaker 2>intality or any of these places. Well, you got gators

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01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.119
<v Speaker 2>don't eat right right, get you? You know what I say?

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<v Speaker 1>Chris, an incredible chat. Thank you so much for coming on.

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01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:25.039
<v Speaker 1>And man, we I think we've talked about things that

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<v Speaker 1>have never been talked about on this podcast before. And listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know anything about Catman from Nellis Testing Range,

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<v Speaker 1>please reach out Big Fist Society at gmail dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>Any stuff from this episode that you know stuff about.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it. Let's put some comments on the video and

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<v Speaker 1>let's get some conversation going. But Chris, this has been

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<v Speaker 1>a super fun time. Thank you so much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah, this was awesome and honestly I appreciate it.

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01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 2>You're doing a great job on your show. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's awesome. Don't change.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Thank you, Chris, I appreciate that you have a

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<v Speaker 1>great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, All right, mommy.

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