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Speaker 1: on with the show. All right, Big Society got the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to a listener that contacted me. His
Speaker 1: name is Chris, He's from Florida. How's it going tonight, Chris?
Speaker 2: How you doing? Jeremiah? Thank you so much for having
Speaker 2: me on the show. What's an honor?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Thank you sir. You've reached out via email
Speaker 1: and you've had some really interesting things happen over the year.
Speaker 1: Years you grew up in New York City. It sounds
Speaker 1: like yes, sir, and then you moved down to central
Speaker 1: Florida in the late eighties, and then I'll let you
Speaker 1: kind of take over from there.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I mean I'm originally from New York City,
Speaker 2: so I come from what they call the concrete Jungle,
Speaker 2: and a little bit of a backstory because I think
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff correlates. Although you have a
Speaker 2: show about, you know, specifically Bigfoot, it's under the umbrella
Speaker 2: of the paranormal. So since I was a kid, I've
Speaker 2: always had experiences, even up until this day, so it's
Speaker 2: something that's always followed me. I never asked for any
Speaker 2: of these situations. These things just happened to me, and
Speaker 2: I haven't had any answers. So I grew up in
Speaker 2: New York City. My upbringing wasn't the greatest. I won't
Speaker 2: go into any detail that you know, could figure out
Speaker 2: your own. And so around nineteen eighty nine, I'm about
Speaker 2: to head into high school, we were moving to Florida.
Speaker 2: So we weren't really too happy with that. I already had,
Speaker 2: like in my mind my own plans and what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do with my life and just being uprooted
Speaker 2: and moving to this new state. I mean, we had
Speaker 2: visited Florida before and I never really liked it, so
Speaker 2: just uprooting to move there, I already had like a
Speaker 2: chip on my shoulder. So the plan was my mother
Speaker 2: and my stepfather at the time, had this plan to
Speaker 2: buy land in Okalla, which is also in central Florida,
Speaker 2: and to do the whole thing, you know, house, white picket, fans,
Speaker 2: basketball court, blah blah blah. We're going to be like
Speaker 2: this happy family. And they got caught up in a scam.
Speaker 2: So I remember the day that I had to go
Speaker 2: into the high school to get my school records and
Speaker 2: find out that we essentially didn't have a place to live.
Speaker 2: So my mother and my stepfather had to scramble to
Speaker 2: find the place. And they found the place and settled
Speaker 2: on the outskirts of Orlando in this place called Kissimi, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is this Kissimi place? Just the
Speaker 2: name sounds stupid, you know. So again, my brother and I,
Speaker 2: you know, we're very reluctant to want to move. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: September ish, we moved to you know, we moved to Cassimi.
Speaker 2: We didn't fly, we drove, So we had to drive
Speaker 2: hours from New York with this on my mind, like
Speaker 2: I have to start this new life in this new
Speaker 2: place I've never been before. Not only that, you have
Speaker 2: the history of the of the Deep South. So I'm
Speaker 2: kind of a little worried and scared of how I'm
Speaker 2: going to fit into this new you know, society that
Speaker 2: I'm moving to. So once we got there and we
Speaker 2: got to know some of the locals and we need friends,
Speaker 2: they would tell us, you know, certain things like, Okay,
Speaker 2: first off, Kasimi at that time, late eighties eighty nine
Speaker 2: wasn't as developed as it is currently. Now you have
Speaker 2: more stores, you know, the small little more locations, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's kind of growing. But back then
Speaker 2: it wasn't as developed. And Florida is basically one big
Speaker 2: swamp with prospectors and property owners deciding, hey, let's build
Speaker 2: places where there's flat land, and you know, apartment complexes
Speaker 2: won't sink, you know, into like a sinkhole or something.
Speaker 2: So to me, Florida is a jungle in of itself.
Speaker 2: People who live here will tell you even in central Florida,
Speaker 2: there's many patches of very deep wooded areas and honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't see anybody going into these areas and coming
Speaker 2: out of those areas, so anything can live in those spots.
Speaker 2: So the subject of Bigfoot, you know, most of the
Speaker 2: time people talk about it in the Pacific Northwest, specifically
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, you know, seeing the Patterson
Speaker 2: Givel in film and all that, I always thought it
Speaker 2: was like a Pacific Northwest thing. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: Bigfoot was down south and it was called the skunk cake.
Speaker 2: That wasn't in my vocabulary. So when I moved to
Speaker 2: Florida and I started navigating because we didn't have a car,
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware that walking by like heavily wooded areas,
Speaker 2: that there might be something possibly lurking in there and
Speaker 2: those and those and those those spots. So anyway, let
Speaker 2: me get into the incidents, you know, plural. I used
Speaker 2: to take this one route to walk to school, and
Speaker 2: it was kind of populated. What there was some spots
Speaker 2: where there was wooded area, but it was primarily populated.
Speaker 2: The issue that I was having is I was getting
Speaker 2: to school late, and I was in in jeopardy of
Speaker 2: like having to do you know what they call it,
Speaker 2: like when you have to stay after school, like iss
Speaker 2: and school suspensions and stuff like that. So I didn't
Speaker 2: want to get in trouble, so I had to take
Speaker 2: an alternate route, and I talked to like against some
Speaker 2: of the locals, and they told me there was this
Speaker 2: shortcut that I could take. So I wounded up taking
Speaker 2: the shortcut, and initially it was fine. The only issue
Speaker 2: that I had is compared to New York, there wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot of like sidewalks. So the sidewalk would be
Speaker 2: like a five to like seven foot like span of
Speaker 2: like just grass, and then you'd have a two way,
Speaker 2: a two lane like road, okay, one with oncoming and
Speaker 2: ongoing traffic, and then on the other side of that
Speaker 2: same thing, probably like five to seven foot you know,
Speaker 2: like length of just like patch of grass, and that
Speaker 2: would be essentially a sidewalk. And since Florida rains a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, you're dealing with like mud, you know. And
Speaker 2: my fear was just like I want to get to
Speaker 2: school with dry feet. There was many days I would
Speaker 2: get to school and my foot would be you know,
Speaker 2: my thoughts would be soaked, and it was just really
Speaker 2: like annoying. So on top of me, you know, getting uprooted,
Speaker 2: having to move to this different place, having to walk
Speaker 2: to school, having to get my my sneakers and my
Speaker 2: and my my feet wet all the time just wasn't
Speaker 2: the greatest time. So I want to say, about like
Speaker 2: a week or so after taking the shortcut, I started
Speaker 2: to hear noises like in this patch of woods. So
Speaker 2: like how I described it was, you have like this
Speaker 2: five to seven foot like length or the span of
Speaker 2: like grass. Then when it would dip down to sort
Speaker 2: of like this retention sort of area, and that could
Speaker 2: be it could dip down from anywhere from like three
Speaker 2: feet to maybe a little bit deeper, like five feet
Speaker 2: at the most. Then it would come up to a
Speaker 2: bank and then it would be nothing but just like
Speaker 2: a wall of like trees and shrubbery. And I was
Speaker 2: told that back back in that those spots would be
Speaker 2: like you know, swampy areas where there would be gators,
Speaker 2: maybe some wild dogs, you know, every once in a while,
Speaker 2: they said, homeless people would you know, sleep in there
Speaker 2: or maybe create encampment encampments back there. But for the
Speaker 2: most part, I was more scared about the gators that
Speaker 2: they said that sometimes would come out to get the
Speaker 2: roadkill or get anything that would be walking by and
Speaker 2: bring it back into this swampy forest the area because
Speaker 2: I was in high school. High school starts the earliest,
Speaker 2: at least down south. I don't know anywhere else, but
Speaker 2: I know down south it would start like probably like
Speaker 2: seven seven o'clock in the morning. School would start like
Speaker 2: seven maybe seven point thirty, so I would have to
Speaker 2: leave like super early, and a lot of times it
Speaker 2: was still dark outside. So I'm walking through this like moist,
Speaker 2: you know, wet area with hardly any cars coming and
Speaker 2: going and just hope I don't get hit by a
Speaker 2: car or get you know, snatched by a gate or something.
Speaker 2: So I started to notice something pacing me. Now, being
Speaker 2: from New York, there's not a lot of forests in
Speaker 2: New York. You have parts, obviously, and you have some
Speaker 2: areas like apartment complexes that have trees and they have
Speaker 2: like parks there as well. But I mean, I know
Speaker 2: the difference when leaves fall on the ground, like in
Speaker 2: the fall, and you have people like jogging or running,
Speaker 2: or you have kids playing or people walking their pets.
Speaker 2: Because there was pats, you had squirrels. I could tell
Speaker 2: the difference between something running on two legs and something
Speaker 2: running like between something bipedal and a quadruped right. I
Speaker 2: could tell the difference between that. I could also tell
Speaker 2: the difference of the sound of something that's moving lightly
Speaker 2: as opposed to something that's kind of heavier. So you
Speaker 2: could tell the difference between how a dog walks through
Speaker 2: you know, shrubbery versus a human, so to speak. This
Speaker 2: was something that was following me the same path I
Speaker 2: was taking. I could hear the cracks of branches and
Speaker 2: tree limbs breaking, you know, something stepping on like you know,
Speaker 2: the ground, you know, making noises. It didn't paced me exactly,
Speaker 2: like how like, it wasn't taking the same step as
Speaker 2: I was taking a step. It was kind of off
Speaker 2: a little bit, but it was obviously something was following me.
Speaker 2: I could hear this noise, and it didn't start in
Speaker 2: the beginning of my ride. It was somewhere towards the middle.
Speaker 2: So it took me about thirty minutes at the most
Speaker 2: to get from my house through this shortcut to the school.
Speaker 2: So I want to say about maybe five to ten
Speaker 2: minutes into my walk is when this would start happening.
Speaker 2: So at first, my initial thought was obviously some sort
Speaker 2: of animal, you know, whether it was a dog or
Speaker 2: a feral cat, or you know, something back of my mind,
Speaker 2: maybe a gator, but to me, like if it was
Speaker 2: something that wanted to get me, like it knew I
Speaker 2: was there, It knew I was walking because I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm splashing through the puddles, through mud most of the time,
Speaker 2: cursing out loud because I hated, you know, having or
Speaker 2: do the walk, but it's something that was pacing me.
Speaker 2: So after a while of like maybe a week of
Speaker 2: this happening, got to the point where I started to
Speaker 2: like vocalize and ask if somebody was there, like hello,
Speaker 2: are you there? You know, while you're following me? Because
Speaker 2: I felt like if it was a person, they would
Speaker 2: have to answer back, because I mean, why would someone
Speaker 2: pace me, Like let's say a homeless person pace me
Speaker 2: and just stollow me without making any sort of contact
Speaker 2: or connection, Like if there was anything negative behind that,
Speaker 2: it would have already happened, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: After and this took probably like two two and a
Speaker 2: half months this was happening, And it wasn't like every day.
Speaker 2: This was like maybe every other day. Sometimes it would
Speaker 2: happen two days in a row, but it wasn't every day. Now,
Speaker 2: when you walk and you have this wall. Every once
Speaker 2: in a while it would open up into like this
Speaker 2: sort of trail, and the locals would tell me those
Speaker 2: trails usually leave from one side of whatever this heavily
Speaker 2: forest a forested area to or swampy area to the
Speaker 2: other side. So you always have like these main streets
Speaker 2: that parallel each other. And if you like in New York,
Speaker 2: you know, you can take a short cut by going
Speaker 2: through a basement of one building and then find yourself
Speaker 2: on another block. It's very similar, but with trails. But
Speaker 2: they want to me and my brother don't take those
Speaker 2: trails because sometimes they lead you to like spots where
Speaker 2: you can get lost. And again there's retention ponds back there,
Speaker 2: and swampy areas where there's gators and snakes and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. And again you know, this might be homeless
Speaker 2: people back there might be feral dogs, a cats. You
Speaker 2: just don't want to go in there. But I would
Speaker 2: see these open patches. Funny thing about it is, as
Speaker 2: this thing would pace me, I got used to I
Speaker 2: got used to knowing where this opening would come, and
Speaker 2: in my mind I would get myself ready to see
Speaker 2: whatever this thing is, because if it kept going, it
Speaker 2: would ultimately show itself, but it was whatever this was.
Speaker 2: If it was a person, I don't think it was
Speaker 2: a person. If it was an animal like a dog,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a dog, or any sort
Speaker 2: of cat, or even like a gator. Whatever this was
Speaker 2: knew that it couldn't go past that point and had
Speaker 2: to either find another route to go around that open
Speaker 2: area to then start pacing me again. And then I
Speaker 2: would walk for maybe another five to ten more minutes
Speaker 2: before I hit a spot where it was more populated,
Speaker 2: and then you know, there were houses, so again this
Speaker 2: thing would stop before it would be in somebody else,
Speaker 2: in somebody's backyard, and then I can see it. And
Speaker 2: this went on for, like I said, about three months
Speaker 2: until I bought a walkman, because at this point I
Speaker 2: really didn't care, you know, I was like, if something's
Speaker 2: going to get me, there was really no place for
Speaker 2: me to go. I'm surrounded by, you know, swamps on
Speaker 2: both sides of me. There's a two lane road. If
Speaker 2: I go on the road, it could possibly get hit
Speaker 2: by a car. Either that or I'm going back home
Speaker 2: and I'm missing school, which isn't good. So at this
Speaker 2: point I just put headphones on listen to music, and
Speaker 2: I would take my route not knowing if this thing
Speaker 2: was pacing me anymore. And then after a while, it
Speaker 2: just kind of like went back to the old route
Speaker 2: and I had to leave even earlier, so I avoided
Speaker 2: that route all together. So that's one of one of
Speaker 2: the incidents that happened to me when I moved to Florida.
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that the same thing would also
Speaker 1: happen to your classmates? Would you ever talk to your
Speaker 1: classmates about it?
Speaker 2: No? I never talked to them. And I was the
Speaker 2: only one taking this route at the time I was
Speaker 2: taking it because in my neighborhood, my brother was an
Speaker 2: elementary school and most of the kids were either in
Speaker 2: elementary or they were already like in college, So there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of kids in the neighborhood that were
Speaker 2: my age that went to the same school as I,
Speaker 2: did you know what I mean? And then it's one
Speaker 2: of those weird things where I don't know if you
Speaker 2: know about zoning areas, but I was in an area
Speaker 2: where the bus couldn't pick me up, but literally like
Speaker 2: maybe twenty thirty feet like kids can get on the bus.
Speaker 2: So it was one of those things where It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, if I lived twenty thirty feet, you know,
Speaker 2: one way I can catch the bus, but since I
Speaker 2: wasn't in that zone, I couldn't catch the bus, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So a lot of these kids,
Speaker 2: I don't believe they walked the same route that was
Speaker 2: the only one on the road, you know, during that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, it's such a it's such a weird thing.
Speaker 1: The weirdest thing I think is that it would happen
Speaker 1: to you off and on for such an extended period
Speaker 1: at time, big for society. Who will be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages? Could you get a feeling for like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could hear the whatever it was walking,
Speaker 1: I would assume, could you get a feel for how
Speaker 1: heavy the footfalls were or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't light, but it seemed like And
Speaker 2: this is just speculation, so I don't I don't want
Speaker 2: to make it seem like I know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. But listening to other
Speaker 2: people's accounts, it's very similar because again, like when you're
Speaker 2: talking about going into an open area and then this
Speaker 2: thing whatever it is, stopping right there and then repositioning itself,
Speaker 2: meaning it having to go around this open area so
Speaker 2: then really start pacing me again, which is again not
Speaker 2: something that I can see a homeless person or just
Speaker 2: a regular person doing. Like what do they get out
Speaker 2: of that? Like what are they what do they get
Speaker 2: out of watching a high school kid walking to school
Speaker 2: like every day or whatever, you know, And it seemed
Speaker 2: like the every step had intention to not try to
Speaker 2: give itself away. But I can hear it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's some it's it's some creepy, creepy stuff.
Speaker 1: And man, I don't know how did it stop. Did
Speaker 1: it just all of a sudden one day you didn't
Speaker 1: hear it anymore? Or was it when you stop taking
Speaker 1: that route all together?
Speaker 2: I stopped hearing it when I started using a walk, man,
Speaker 2: because I was at the point where I just didn't
Speaker 2: care anymore. Like I felt, like I said, I felt like,
Speaker 2: if it's something's gonna come and get me, or if
Speaker 2: I'm going to interact with something, it's going to happen eventually.
Speaker 2: And there was no place for me to run. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm about like six seven miles from my house, so
Speaker 2: if I track backwards, they then take an alternate route
Speaker 2: for sure, I'm showing up late. So at that point
Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm just going to stay home. And
Speaker 2: so then I'm missing school and it's causing more problems.
Speaker 2: And then I again, if I run across the street
Speaker 2: to go to the other side, there's another wall of
Speaker 2: swamp forest and I don't know what's in there, you know.
Speaker 2: The cars are very sparse, Like I'm talking like maybe
Speaker 2: every two or three minutes a car comes passing by,
Speaker 2: back and forth. I have to walk more towards the
Speaker 2: foresty side because I'm trying not to get caught by
Speaker 2: a car hitting a puddle and it's splashing on me,
Speaker 2: you know, which I learned, you know, the hard way,
Speaker 2: you know. So, like there's a lot going on in
Speaker 2: my mind while I'm walking to schools, like trying to
Speaker 2: keep my feet you know, as dry as possible, you know,
Speaker 2: and so like this thing is happening to me, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand it, like, oh, it's probably a person,
Speaker 2: it's probably animal, but it just didn't make sense because
Speaker 2: it's like ultimately, like animals, I don't believe do that.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that an animal would be curious enough
Speaker 2: to pace without revealing itself. I mean, unless it was
Speaker 2: like a deer, but I don't know that they're deer
Speaker 2: in Kasimi. Like I've seen deer in Central Florida, but
Speaker 2: I don't believe that there's deer in Casimi. And I
Speaker 2: know there's bear in central Florida, but I don't believe
Speaker 2: there's bear in Casimi. So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I say, you know, the weird thing is is that
Speaker 1: it was something that for or you know, it was
Speaker 1: day to day or every other day or whatever, but
Speaker 1: it was it's almost like it was it was stalking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and man, weird vibes from that one man. Thankfully not
Speaker 1: what happened to you.
Speaker 2: But no, and I'm much appreciative. I want to frame
Speaker 2: it in the sense of curiosity. Sure, because to me,
Speaker 2: like stalk, there's an endy result always to stalk. And
Speaker 2: I was an easy target, there was no I mean,
Speaker 2: I was athletic at the time, like but I was
Speaker 2: more like I played baseball, I played basketball. That's athletic
Speaker 2: I was. I wasn't like a wrestler or bodybuilding. So
Speaker 2: I'm an easy target at that point. If it's a
Speaker 2: predator or if I'm being stalked. That's the way I
Speaker 2: saw it. Maybe it was stalking me, and maybe when
Speaker 2: it was about to maybe do its thing, I decided
Speaker 2: not to show up anymore, you know. But the way
Speaker 2: I see it, I saw more. I felt like it
Speaker 2: was more of a curiosity thing, like what what is this?
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, six in the morning, what is
Speaker 2: this kid doing walking? You know, like that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: you know, like, you know, he's interesting, he's he doesn't
Speaker 2: look like other Floridians because back then I was into metals,
Speaker 2: so I had long hair and a metallic issue. So like,
Speaker 2: you know, probably like what is this, you know, weird
Speaker 2: person walking you know in my you know, my area,
Speaker 2: my territory.
Speaker 1: I love it. So you're like, did you see the
Speaker 1: newest Stranger Things? So you're like Eddie from Stranger Things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was fantastic, totally.
Speaker 1: Man, of course it was sick, so good man.
Speaker 2: And then and then they threw the Coneyan sword in there.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong, you know, legit, dude, it's a legit.
Speaker 1: You also had your email says that you saw something
Speaker 1: weird and I don't want to give away what it
Speaker 1: was you saw something weird behind a store one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So so fast forward like three to four
Speaker 2: years later. You know, I'll kind of settled somewhere in Florida.
Speaker 2: I still hate it, but I'm still kind of settled.
Speaker 2: And I wound up getting this job going towards Disney, Okay,
Speaker 2: in central Florida. And I think it was one of
Speaker 2: those things where it's a franchise and people buy into
Speaker 2: this franchise because it was a store called Goodings, but
Speaker 2: it was owned by like this family and it was
Speaker 2: a two best friends. They bought the franchise, and you know,
Speaker 2: they had the store and it was a touristy store
Speaker 2: because you know, it was one of those where the
Speaker 2: cereal was like eight dollars a box, right, because they
Speaker 2: can do that, you know, like people come to, you know,
Speaker 2: to vacation and the place and the prices go up,
Speaker 2: you know. So I was working primarily restocking the shelves
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Now, the owners they only really
Speaker 2: wanted garbage to go out a certain time of the day,
Speaker 2: which was primarily was at nighttime. So we would have
Speaker 2: to stuff whatever garbage because they didn't want to use
Speaker 2: up garbage bags. So I worked primarily the day shift,
Speaker 2: and then it was a crew that came in at night,
Speaker 2: and so we would have garbage ready for them to
Speaker 2: dull out at nighttime. So I had been working there
Speaker 2: for like six seven months. I wound up getting one
Speaker 2: of my friends in there to work with me. And
Speaker 2: I was pretty good with the owners. I mean, the
Speaker 2: knew I worked hard, but sometimes they were like over
Speaker 2: the top strip at times. But anyway behind the store
Speaker 2: was like this, I don't know you call it like
Speaker 2: like a reserve because it was nothing but again forest.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing like in Florida, if you're not
Speaker 2: really paying attention, you don't realize that you go to
Speaker 2: you drive by these spots that are populated, but in
Speaker 2: between these populated spots there's heavy forests and if you
Speaker 2: look down a map, you'll see that they're connected. A
Speaker 2: lot of these heavily forested swampy areas are all connected
Speaker 2: and just being to the topic of the paranormal specifically,
Speaker 2: like you know, cryptids, It doesn't take much for these
Speaker 2: for these cryptids to navigate, you know, especially if they've
Speaker 2: been in the area for so long they know it
Speaker 2: like the back of their hand. I can see something
Speaker 2: or some things moving, you know, through heavily populated areas
Speaker 2: without being seen all the time. You know. So this
Speaker 2: sort of reserve area that was in the back. When
Speaker 2: you go to the back, you have probably twenty thirty
Speaker 2: feet of like concrete slab, and then you have like
Speaker 2: this big like garbage bin, this metal garbage bind with
Speaker 2: two plastic tops on it that you could swing open
Speaker 2: on either side. I don't know if you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, but sometimes, you know, we had raccoons
Speaker 2: that would go back there and open up those garbage
Speaker 2: bins to go in there and dig. So then you know,
Speaker 2: you have like the grass would start going in an
Speaker 2: indentation downward, I want to say, it would go down
Speaker 2: to probably like three or four feet. And because it
Speaker 2: was you know, Florida rains a lot a lot of times,
Speaker 2: it was wet, you know, very like moist back there.
Speaker 2: But there was a light that was above this this bin.
Speaker 2: Now I didn't know too much about it because I
Speaker 2: had worked the day. Shit, it wasn't until this thing
Speaker 2: didn't happened that like I saw this whole thing play out.
Speaker 2: But I remember hearing just whispers from the workers when
Speaker 2: we would do the shift change, about how they hated
Speaker 2: going to throw out the garbage back there, that it
Speaker 2: was creepy, and that also there was a family of
Speaker 2: raccoons back there, probably like about ten of them, and
Speaker 2: that they would hiss at the you know, the workers
Speaker 2: when they went to throw garbage out, because I guess
Speaker 2: they were interrupting them as these raccoons would go into
Speaker 2: this bind to take garbage out and the bags in
Speaker 2: there apart looking for food. So one day I'd get
Speaker 2: approached by one of the managers and he's like, look,
Speaker 2: I have a guy that called in. He's like, if
Speaker 2: you want to make extra money, you can come in
Speaker 2: and work overtime. And then you know, he's like, I
Speaker 2: won't have you close, I'll just have you leave, probably
Speaker 2: like around seven, eight o'clock at night. This was probably
Speaker 2: like in the fall time, so it gets started pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: So the garbage gets all, you know, assembled, and it's
Speaker 2: probably like around seven o'clock and I go out there
Speaker 2: to throw out this garbage. Now above the bin there's
Speaker 2: a light, right, it's supposed to have a plastic cover,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what happened. The plastic cover was missing,
Speaker 2: and so what that did is that made the light
Speaker 2: almost like a spotlight because they didn't have you know,
Speaker 2: when they put the covers to make it not as bright.
Speaker 2: I forgot what they what they call that, what the
Speaker 2: purpose is for. But anyway, this thing was like off,
Speaker 2: and so it made the light like really bay almost
Speaker 2: like a spotlight. And so as I'm walking up to
Speaker 2: this band, I can hardly see the bin, you know,
Speaker 2: because this light is like shining in my eyes, but
Speaker 2: it's illuminating a pretty good portion of that swampy area. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I see these two raccoons come out and they
Speaker 2: take off into the forest. So as I'm walking up,
Speaker 2: about to throw this stuff, because these raccoons literally they
Speaker 2: lifted the door open in to where it was like
Speaker 2: stuck in the upward position, meaning it was like the
Speaker 2: bin was wide open. I was about to just toss
Speaker 2: it and walk right back into the into the shop.
Speaker 2: But I turn around and I see nothing because of
Speaker 2: these this illuminating light. I see nothing but these little
Speaker 2: beady eyes, like literally like twenty sets of them, but
Speaker 2: they're low because like I said, like after the concrete slab,
Speaker 2: it starts to go down in the dip and the
Speaker 2: dips probably and I'm just estimating probably like three maybe
Speaker 2: four feet. So I see all these little eyes and
Speaker 2: they're moving around, and in my mind, I'm thinking these
Speaker 2: are then to jump me for this bag of garbage.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm scared of that, you know. But as
Speaker 2: I'm about to turn again to throw this garbage out,
Speaker 2: I notice these two sets of red eyes. They're about
Speaker 2: like I'm talking, the sets are about they're taller than me.
Speaker 2: So whatever these things were, they're they're down three feet,
Speaker 2: like their feet is probably three feet below me and
Speaker 2: they're above me. And there are two sets of red
Speaker 2: eyes looking at me that probably maybe thirty forty feet
Speaker 2: away from me, and they're probably like maybe ten fifteen
Speaker 2: feet apart from each other, so they weren't like together together.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it was instantaneous as soon as I
Speaker 2: saw those eyes took for me to throw the trash,
Speaker 2: not care if it made it inside of the band,
Speaker 2: and to run inside. But that was that was the
Speaker 2: second incident that I had.
Speaker 1: You stick around like at that job or did you
Speaker 1: keep working there?
Speaker 2: I kept working there for maybe a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: And I've been asked this before, like did I talk
Speaker 2: about it with the with the crew because they had
Speaker 2: talked about the whisper thing. I didn't talk to them
Speaker 2: about that because I'm knowing I mean it literally, I'm
Speaker 2: you know, it's all about this machiesze moo thing. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go and tell these guys, oh I got
Speaker 2: I saw these eyes back there, you know, and get
Speaker 2: made fun of, you know what I mean. So to me,
Speaker 2: I kept that to myself off. But I never worked
Speaker 2: another night shift. Like I got asked many times to
Speaker 2: work night and I was like, Nope, you're not doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, because the daytime you can see like they
Speaker 2: were like these really thin sort of trees, but they
Speaker 2: were like like together, but you could still in the
Speaker 2: daytime kind of see through it and see kind of
Speaker 2: deep in there. But at nighttime you weren't seeing anything
Speaker 2: even with the illumination of that light at nighttime, you know.
Speaker 2: And the sense that I got was I shouldn't be there,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I got out of there. Man.
Speaker 1: It makes me wonder because those your coworkers would be
Speaker 1: whispering at times about going back there. I wonder if
Speaker 1: there was other people that saw that whatever that thing was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt if they
Speaker 2: show something back there or they heard something, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and I looked up, you know, years later,
Speaker 2: I looked up like could could have been the owl,
Speaker 2: But Florida to have a lot of owls, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know anything else that has red eyes. You know.
Speaker 2: At first, I thought like, are these raccoons climbing in
Speaker 2: the tree to jump down on, you know, on top
Speaker 2: of me. Like as silly as it sounds, I was
Speaker 2: kind of thinking like like, are there bigger raccoons trying
Speaker 2: to jump down on me to grab you know, the
Speaker 2: bag that I have, Because I know that raccoons are vicious,
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're they're they have rabies and and
Speaker 2: they'll fight you. You know, they'll fight you. So that
Speaker 2: was my first kind of like quick thought, like you know,
Speaker 2: these raccoons. But now that it looked like almost you
Speaker 2: know how like at night when you're driving and there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of light in a certain area, but
Speaker 2: they put up these reflectors. You know, it looked like
Speaker 2: kind of like that like reflectors. There was kind of glowing,
Speaker 2: but like there's no vehicles that go back there.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages, So.
Speaker 2: Why would there be reflectors lets they put on a
Speaker 2: couple of trees back there. Just didn't make any sense
Speaker 2: to me that there would be reflectors back there. But
Speaker 2: that's what it looked like. It looked like reflect their
Speaker 2: eyes looking back at me, you know.
Speaker 1: As some weird stuff. Chris, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: make of it. Fast forward even a little bit. You
Speaker 1: ended up joining one of the services, correct I did.
Speaker 2: I joined the Air Force in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Eight, and during that time there in your email you
Speaker 1: said you may have seen some interesting things happen that
Speaker 1: you can share about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could talk about anything you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: The stuff that I saw was more and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say say it like it's separate, because as
Speaker 2: you know, paranormals or big umbrella and all the other
Speaker 2: like sort of subgenre like uthology, crypt zoology, you know,
Speaker 2: and these all that fall under the paranormal umbrella, goes,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So the encounters that I had were more
Speaker 2: like UFO slash UAP even though I don't like to
Speaker 2: use that term, but I've heard other like servicemen's stories.
Speaker 2: There's this war that's going on, which I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to you about because I know that you're really
Speaker 2: trying hard. I've been listening to the last free shows.
Speaker 2: You're trying to find people to talk to you about
Speaker 2: some sort of hyenacryptid, right, am I correct?
Speaker 1: Dude? You know it? Man, you're listening my brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, okay, because I'm trying to find people to
Speaker 3: talk about this more out at Vegas called cat Man,
Speaker 3: which could be correlated to what you're trying to find,
Speaker 3: but thinking about it, and this is just me thinking
Speaker 3: and talking.
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking for anybody else. I think Catman, this
Speaker 2: war that that I've heard about is a misidentified dog man,
Speaker 2: So it's another rabbit hole. But listening to you and
Speaker 2: you've talked to a few people and a lot of
Speaker 2: the characters characteristics are very similar and what I've been
Speaker 2: trying to find as well, like the information I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find, I think it's connected in some way, because man,
Speaker 2: it's really all connected. But my like I said, my
Speaker 2: personal experiences, they're all are generally you are formulated or
Speaker 2: shadow man shadow people, which I don't know if you're
Speaker 2: aware of that phenomenon, but that's something that's followed me
Speaker 2: my whole life.
Speaker 1: So you have your whole life.
Speaker 2: My whole life, dude, my whole life, my kids, my
Speaker 2: kids seeing them you know, yeah, my brother.
Speaker 1: Is that thing where you're like seeing the figure out
Speaker 1: the out of the corner of your eye, or.
Speaker 2: It's a combination of like it's some sort of like
Speaker 2: a shadow thing. I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody knows what it is. A lot of
Speaker 2: times it gets correlated with like aliens, but I don't
Speaker 2: believe that's what it is. It could be. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's it's sometimes it's a sort of
Speaker 2: like a shadowy apparition that has what could be to
Speaker 2: stue it as a head and you know, limbs, you know,
Speaker 2: like arms and feet, or it could be just like
Speaker 2: this blob sort of thing. And I've experienced since I
Speaker 2: was like a little kid, and it's followed me throughout
Speaker 2: my life. Now I'm living in a newer place right now,
Speaker 2: and I just hit the fifty clubs like two months ago.
Speaker 2: I've been here for two months and I haven't had
Speaker 2: any incidences so far, and I'm hoping that that's it.
Speaker 2: I don't ever have to deal with it again. But
Speaker 2: it's always like looming around the corner that something might happen.
Speaker 2: So far nothing has. But before living in this place
Speaker 2: all the way till I was a kid, I've always
Speaker 2: had these experiences with these what they call these shadow beings.
Speaker 1: Even when you're on the base as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there was an incident on the base
Speaker 2: where like, do you want me to do you want
Speaker 2: me to kind of get into it a little bit?
Speaker 2: Do you mind? Because I know that's a big foot.
Speaker 1: Like, so here's the thing, I say, we go for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is one of many incidents that went
Speaker 2: on on the base. I wasn't involved, per se, I
Speaker 2: was on shift. It's a context thing, so so bear
Speaker 2: with me. At the time, I was working in the armory.
Speaker 2: But you don't you join the military, you don't get
Speaker 2: jobs like that right off the bat. You have to
Speaker 2: kind of work ground levels. So when I went to Nellis,
Speaker 2: I was just essentially a security guard. Nellis has pretty
Speaker 2: much two sort of areas. You have your main base
Speaker 2: and you have the spot back then, which doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, the the structures exist there, but nobody works
Speaker 2: there anymore. It's a spot cal area too, right. So Vegas,
Speaker 2: as you know, or Nevada as you know, has Area
Speaker 2: fifty one. They also have a base there that nobody
Speaker 2: really talks about called Creech Air Force Base, which used
Speaker 2: to be called Indian Springs that has its own, you know, backgrounds.
Speaker 2: But I worked at Area two in an Area two.
Speaker 2: They housedclear weapons. At the time, we were probably the
Speaker 2: second place on this planet that had the most nukes okay,
Speaker 2: in the world. Another air force base. So I worked
Speaker 2: at Area two and I started as a guard there
Speaker 2: what they call a century and I did it for
Speaker 2: about a year until I put in for a job
Speaker 2: to work in the armory, still at Area two. So
Speaker 2: this incident happened while I was working an armory. So
Speaker 2: my shift at the time we worked twelve hours shifts,
Speaker 2: three days on three days off. I worked from I
Speaker 2: think six at nine to six in the morning. So
Speaker 2: this incident happened probably like ground eight o'clock at night
Speaker 2: and lasted all the way until like two three in
Speaker 2: the morning. So you had like this patrol. They wound
Speaker 2: up stopping to take like a quick break, and at
Speaker 2: the time, the two vehicles that were primarily used were
Speaker 2: flatbed you know, pickup trucks, and then you had humbs.
Speaker 2: Those were the permarity, like two vehicles. So the centuries
Speaker 2: that were on the fence line, they're called the perimeter.
Speaker 2: Like I guess guards. There was certain spots where they
Speaker 2: can stop and just like blacks, take break and then
Speaker 2: go back to doing their shift. So this each patrol
Speaker 2: has two members, particularly the let me get this straight,
Speaker 2: so the perimeter patrols have two individuals per vehicle. Okay,
Speaker 2: in the vehicle you have at least two and four
Speaker 2: car bonds, and then one of them has two or
Speaker 2: three attached to it, right, So when they take their breaks,
Speaker 2: they have to have their weapons on them at all time.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're not supposed to sleep. They have to be
Speaker 2: as visualant as they can. But you know, cops do
Speaker 2: cops do. Sometimes people do things on the job they're
Speaker 2: not supposed to do. So one individual will tell the
Speaker 2: other one, I'm gonna take a nap real quick, wake
Speaker 2: me up if any of the you know, higher ups
Speaker 2: come by whatever. So the one's like all right. So
Speaker 2: they're hanging out and next thing you know, they notice
Speaker 2: that their truck starts to go down like towards the back,
Speaker 2: and as one guy looks through the rear view mirror,
Speaker 2: he sees like the silhouette of something sitting in the
Speaker 2: back of his truck, and so he tells the other guy, Hey,
Speaker 2: there's somebody sitting in the back now. Not to go
Speaker 2: into too much detail, every flight in a flight is
Speaker 2: essentially a group of people that handle a shift for
Speaker 2: a certain time. Every flight has to do what they
Speaker 2: call an exercise, like the exercise scenario, and that's to
Speaker 2: keep us, you know, on our toes and to keep
Speaker 2: the knowledge in case something goes down, we know what
Speaker 2: to do. So usually the flight chiefs, the person who
Speaker 2: I call the head coach of that group that flight,
Speaker 2: he has to run that or if he's not working
Speaker 2: that day, his assistant will run it, usually to another
Speaker 2: what they call a non commissioned officer. That assistant can't
Speaker 2: do it. Usually every flight has what they call an officer,
Speaker 2: which is usually like a lieutenant. He'll run it so
Speaker 2: automatically they thought it was like an exercise, and they
Speaker 2: call it on the radio, Hey, is there an exercise
Speaker 2: going on? The control who gets receives these calls calls
Speaker 2: calls them back on the radio. And says, no, there's
Speaker 2: no exercise. What's going on, And so they begin to explain, hey,
Speaker 2: there's somebody sitting on the back of our truck. We
Speaker 2: don't know who it is. That the exercise. Next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, this thing jumps off the car, returns back
Speaker 2: to its basic form, and it starts running through the desert.
Speaker 2: So then it goes from it not being an exercise
Speaker 2: to now this actual real world. That means there's somebody
Speaker 2: on the bas an intruder. So now they're dispatching controls
Speaker 2: to specific area where this thing was. Now this is
Speaker 2: happening on one side of Area Too, now Area two.
Speaker 2: Like if I had to describe it, it looks like
Speaker 2: the shape of like New York City. It's elongated, so
Speaker 2: it's probably maybe you know, three four miles one way
Speaker 2: and maybe like five six miles another way. So on
Speaker 2: one side of Area Too, you have this patrol that
Speaker 2: called this thing in. Another patrol is chasing this thing.
Speaker 2: And then another call comes in on the other side
Speaker 2: that they're seeing two people running through the desert. So
Speaker 2: this goes on, like I said, for hours to the
Speaker 2: wee hours of the morning, where they're chasing these things
Speaker 2: that are jumping behind vehicles. They're shining flashlights and they
Speaker 2: don't see anything. They chase things into a building, they
Speaker 2: search the whole building, talked about them. Nothing's in there.
Speaker 2: Next day, flight chief comes in, it says, this never happened.
Speaker 2: Don't talk about it. You'll get in trouble, essentially. And
Speaker 2: it's not the first time that happened to happened. I
Speaker 2: think like two or three times at the Bay, so
Speaker 2: that those types things happened at.
Speaker 1: Like mellis, wait, are you going to get in trouble?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I've been out for so long and
Speaker 2: oh okay, I mean people talk about all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, I got out in two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: so I'm good and if they want to come get me,
Speaker 2: it's only going to prove my point. So well, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of the military. And so
Speaker 1: is it after a certain period of time that you
Speaker 1: can start talking about stuff.
Speaker 2: For I think it's like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're good.
Speaker 2: I should be good, man. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1: Not the first guy on this podcast to spill some
Speaker 1: military secrets, So that's weird. So you think maybe shadow
Speaker 1: people or you have no idea what it was.
Speaker 2: That's that's what they were calling them. They were calling
Speaker 2: them the shadow, you know, and and the description was
Speaker 2: that they were like seven eight feet tall, like you know.
Speaker 2: It's funny because they the description back then was what
Speaker 2: you would call like the hat man or what is
Speaker 2: that thing that that pasta very elongated looking character.
Speaker 1: Well, hat man or slender man probably that's it.
Speaker 2: Slender manish, like very slender manish, you know, very uncharacteristic,
Speaker 2: you know. And I mean I've seen stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I've seen that in
Speaker 2: you know, past residences, and you know, when I did
Speaker 2: work at NILS, I had a few experiences with those
Speaker 2: things or whatever they are. So I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: those things happen. They're real, you know.
Speaker 1: That's so wild. And then the wildest part is this
Speaker 1: never happened. Don't talk about it, but you mentioned it
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: get into it. To tell me what is cat Man.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about what. I haven't heard of cat
Speaker 1: Man yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I knew about cat Man when I first
Speaker 2: got to Ellis. I didn't hear about cat Man until
Speaker 2: the beginning of this year on another podcast towards the
Speaker 2: end of that show, because they were talking about another
Speaker 2: topic and this person decided, oh, let me tell you
Speaker 2: about this thing. And this person worked in the Vegas area,
Speaker 2: just I don't know where they worked. They weren't. They
Speaker 2: were kind of cryptic about what where they worked and
Speaker 2: what type of job they had. I want to say
Speaker 2: they were working Air National Guard because they didn't just
Speaker 2: stay straight up military Air Force. But they could have
Speaker 2: worked like you know, DD, maybe out there Department of Defense.
Speaker 2: But this person brought up Catman. That's the only other
Speaker 2: person that I've heard of that brought up cat Man
Speaker 2: when it pertains to the battle. So when I first
Speaker 2: got to the base, first off, how I got to
Speaker 2: the base and everything leading up to how I got
Speaker 2: to the base is you know, weird in of itself.
Speaker 2: That's the story of my life essentially, like the weirdest
Speaker 2: craft happens to me. I don't know why, and people
Speaker 2: don't believe me until I explain to them and they're like,
Speaker 2: holy cow, how did that happen? But anyway, I want
Speaker 2: up getting to Nevada and I want to you know,
Speaker 2: getting you know, Nella's Air Force Base as my duty station,
Speaker 2: So I didn't realize that I'm in like where Area
Speaker 2: sixty one is. For some reason, it just didn't hit
Speaker 2: me until I had my first experience like two months later,
Speaker 2: you know, that one experience with the triangle, you know,
Speaker 2: lights in the pattern. I started to do like research.
Speaker 2: You know, I had to be careful because obviously they
Speaker 2: don't want you doing that specifically if you're in uniform.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't want you touching any of those topics.
Speaker 2: But I remember having a conversation with the coworker and
Speaker 2: telling me about this this thing called Catman. Okay, so
Speaker 2: what's Catman? Catman is this scripted that looks like a
Speaker 2: cat and it's bipedal, but it can go on all
Speaker 2: fours and it's been running around like the Knell's testing
Speaker 2: range for years. Okay. That was the first like story
Speaker 2: that I heard or account that I heard. At first.
Speaker 2: It's it sounded stupid catman, you know, like Bigfoot. I
Speaker 2: mean that's been you know, people have been talking about
Speaker 2: a few years. But you can use the train sasquatch
Speaker 2: if you don't want to sound stupid. I guess right,
Speaker 2: you know. And then you know where wolf, Like, the
Speaker 2: term dog man didn't exist back then. Nobody was saying
Speaker 2: dog man, you know, so here in Campman it was
Speaker 2: kind of like a joke to me, even though I
Speaker 2: was into like paranormal but it was kind of stupid,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't until like it was an individual. I'll
Speaker 2: say his first name. I can't say his last name,
Speaker 2: but his first name is Toby. He worked at main
Speaker 2: base in law enforcement. So main base had law enforcement
Speaker 2: and they had some security because they had a flight
Speaker 2: line over there. And then like I said, Area two,
Speaker 2: which was probably a couple of miles from the main base,
Speaker 2: was just all security, right, so sometimes they would flip
Speaker 2: flop like meaning they would send people from you know,
Speaker 2: Area two to main base to fill in spots towards
Speaker 2: law enforce meet and vice versa. So they wound up
Speaker 2: not sending him to do a couple of jobs. They
Speaker 2: completely transferred him over, which he was because he wanted
Speaker 2: he wanted to be a cop and he wanted to
Speaker 2: get as much you know, experience being a cop law
Speaker 2: enforcement in the military before he went on to be
Speaker 2: like an actual cop. So they transferred him over and
Speaker 2: then you know, we became friends, and there were times
Speaker 2: where him and I would be on post together and
Speaker 2: we just have like these crazy conversations.
Speaker 1: Big for a society, who would be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 2: So at the time, his wife was working for the
Speaker 2: National Guard out there, and I believe that they were
Speaker 2: somewhere the National Guard station was somewhere between Las Vegas
Speaker 2: and Perumph, maybe maybe Rachel Nevada, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: somewhere in the realm they had like their own guard
Speaker 2: station and she would have to go out, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think once or twice a month and do work. Apparently,
Speaker 2: her partner told her that his uncle did contract work
Speaker 2: for Area fifty one and has to build this sort
Speaker 2: of like like this huge cage right to house something
Speaker 2: in it. They didn't tell the uncle, you know, too
Speaker 2: much detail because they leave things out for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: They don't want people like contractors that are from the
Speaker 2: outside to start running their mouth about what they're working on.
Speaker 2: So it's always like the right hand doesn't know what
Speaker 2: the left hand's doing, understand, you know. So they'll only
Speaker 2: tell a person so much just so they can get
Speaker 2: the job done, pay them, get them up, you know,
Speaker 2: and then if they need them again, they'll call them
Speaker 2: and have them do it again. So he had to
Speaker 2: build like this sort of like call it like almost
Speaker 2: like an encampment sort of thing, like this cage. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many miles wide or whatever, but he
Speaker 2: wound up building it. He was allowed to go into
Speaker 2: every fifty one into the chow hall in there to eat.
Speaker 2: The description was that when you get inside the chow hall,
Speaker 2: all the windows are blocked out because they do like
Speaker 2: experiments with things, and they don't want people seeing anything.
Speaker 2: When you're getting your food, you have to be a
Speaker 2: certain distance away from the person in front of you
Speaker 2: so that you don't spark conversation. Okay, So apparently he
Speaker 2: was in line getting his food and one of the
Speaker 2: individuals who works there, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: like an engineer or something, one of having a conversation
Speaker 2: with him one's supposed to, and he asked him, are
Speaker 2: you the one that built that encampment? And you know,
Speaker 2: he kind of noded his head because he really wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to talk. And so the guy told him the
Speaker 2: reason why they built his encampment is because they were
Speaker 2: The military is involved in this hybridization program. Okay, so
Speaker 2: hang with me, Jeremiah. Supposedly this hybridization program is to
Speaker 2: create like these weapons. Right. These weapons have to do
Speaker 2: with like mixing the DNA of animals to create like
Speaker 2: this weapon. Right, So essentially what do they call the chimeras. Essentially,
Speaker 2: so they mixed these DNA and they mess with these
Speaker 2: animals to try to create and control them to use
Speaker 2: them as weapons. And so that was the reason why
Speaker 2: this guy built this sort of cage or this encampment,
Speaker 2: because they wanted to throw this thing that they created
Speaker 2: in there, throw animals in there to see it's hunting
Speaker 2: patterns and see how they can possibly control it. And
Speaker 2: so one day they called this the Uncle back and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we need you to make some repairs on the fence.
Speaker 2: So when he showed up, there was like a hole
Speaker 2: in the fence, but it wasn't a hole where it
Speaker 2: was going inward. It was a hole that was going outward.
Speaker 2: So something busted out of it, so they asked them
Speaker 2: to fix that up. So supposedly this is a creature
Speaker 2: of creatures that are running around you know, the Another's
Speaker 2: testing range, that have like the look of like a cat,
Speaker 2: but like I said, I believe that it could be
Speaker 2: something that's connected to this hyender crypto you've been wanting
Speaker 2: to know about, or it could be a misidentified dog man.
Speaker 2: So let me make another connection, if you'll mind. Have
Speaker 2: you heard of Kenny Leach? I think that's what his
Speaker 2: name is. Have you heard of that?
Speaker 1: Wow, this is all This is all great because it's
Speaker 1: all new stuff for me, So go right ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you get a chance to look that up.
Speaker 2: This individual, I think his name is Kenny Leach. He's
Speaker 2: a hiker, lived in Nevada, and he would hike all over,
Speaker 2: like the trails and the mountains all over Nevada. So
Speaker 2: one day he goes into this area he's never really
Speaker 2: been before, and he finds like this cave that's kind
Speaker 2: of shaped like an M and it really got his attention.
Speaker 2: So he started walking walking towards it, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: he stopped and he felt like this this pressure on
Speaker 2: his chest and he didn't know what it was, and
Speaker 2: they kind of scared him, so he wound up leaving.
Speaker 2: He had his own YouTube channel at the time, and
Speaker 2: it still exists. If I'm not mistaken, you might you
Speaker 2: probably can see these videos yourself. But he starts talking
Speaker 2: about this m cave and the situation had happened because
Speaker 2: you have trolls all over the internet. There was trolls
Speaker 2: that were hitting them up and like oh, they were
Speaker 2: calling him a liar and you know the blah. So
Speaker 2: he said, all right, I'm gonna go with the camera
Speaker 2: this time and I'm going to show you this M cave.
Speaker 2: So he wound up going on this trip and he disappeared.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows where he went, and there's been people that
Speaker 2: have been trying to follow his traps to see if
Speaker 2: they could find this M cave. And I believe a
Speaker 2: couple of people maybe have found the mkave, but they
Speaker 2: haven't gone in there. Now. Listening to other podcasts and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, people have tried to break things down
Speaker 2: and some people say that the reason why he had
Speaker 2: that feeling on his chest because it was possibly infrasound
Speaker 2: from each from from some sort of creature encryptid. Also
Speaker 2: in some of his videos that he that he's done
Speaker 2: where he wasn't looking for the m K but he
Speaker 2: was just out there just looking around and he found
Speaker 2: other caves. Some people say that they can see like
Speaker 2: eyeshine coming out of some of those caves. But that
Speaker 2: would be something that you would have to probably look
Speaker 2: into a little bit more, you know, because I mean
Speaker 2: it could be just you know, parodolia. You know, it
Speaker 2: looks like eyes, but it's not really. It's maybe a
Speaker 2: reflection of a rock or something. But Kenny vat yet
Speaker 2: he's kind of somewhat connected to that, you know. And
Speaker 2: then if you if you look on the map of
Speaker 2: like Vegas, and you put a dot where nellis Air
Speaker 2: Force Bass, and then you put a dot at this
Speaker 2: other air Force base, which again I told you not
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about. It's called Creech air
Speaker 2: Force Base Creach and it's they used to call it
Speaker 2: Indian Springs. And then you put a dot where these
Speaker 2: this it's called Snake Mountain. This is around the area
Speaker 2: where Kenny Reats disappeared. It forms a triangle. Okay, probably nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could probably make a triangle out of
Speaker 2: anything if you put dots in certain spots. But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying like they're all connected. People don't realize that,
Speaker 2: Like the Knells Testing range is huge. To me, my
Speaker 2: opinion is my words. I feel like the military pretty
Speaker 2: much owns like Nevada. I think the Nulls testing ranges
Speaker 2: like all of Nevada, okay, because I mean they own
Speaker 2: a lot of land out there, and that includes area
Speaker 2: fifty one, that includes this place they call ESPORI where
Speaker 2: Bob Zaza all that. I feel like that's all connected,
Speaker 2: you know. And for sure there's underground systems because when
Speaker 2: I was working an area too, we had these things
Speaker 2: called culverts, right, and they had like these these piping
Speaker 2: systems that would I was told went from inside the
Speaker 2: area to outside the area. But no, they didn't just
Speaker 2: go outside the area. They went underground. They were facing downward,
Speaker 2: going down into the ground. So why would they have
Speaker 2: these tunnels that go into the ground if they don't
Speaker 2: have an underground system or you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That is wild. I mean it's way outside of like
Speaker 1: what I usually look into. But it's just fascinating, this
Speaker 1: whole catman thing. Because I did a quick search, I
Speaker 1: can't find anything about this cat man. Like if listeners
Speaker 1: know more about it, put it in the comments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would please if you can send anybody my
Speaker 2: way about it, or if they could talk to you
Speaker 2: about it. I would love to hear more about it
Speaker 2: because I know, and I don't know much about it
Speaker 2: other than that. Also, let me tell you another story
Speaker 2: having to do with possible catman. So I'm working on
Speaker 2: armory one night and I'm in a building inside of
Speaker 2: a room, so I'm like really deep inside of like
Speaker 2: a building, right, So the main building you walk in,
Speaker 2: that's where all of the troops come to arm up.
Speaker 2: My job is to arm up the troops that are
Speaker 2: coming on to shift, and then the shift that's leading
Speaker 2: to take their equipment and weapons, making sure that they're
Speaker 2: in good shape and whatnot. They don't give me, you know,
Speaker 2: messed up weapons and equipment, and then I just hang out.
Speaker 2: I do work inside of the armory, whether it's like
Speaker 2: clounting animal or cleaning weapons or anything along those lines.
Speaker 2: But one night I'm in there, I have the radio
Speaker 2: on and I hear like commotion in the main room
Speaker 2: where people arm up. I'm hearing yelling and streaming. So
Speaker 2: I open up like the gate because we have like
Speaker 2: the gate you have to open up where we receive
Speaker 2: the weapon blah blah blah. And one individual I know,
Speaker 2: and the other individual was like a newer troop. He
Speaker 2: was pretty much like a one stripe air Essentially, he's
Speaker 2: sitting on the chair. He looks white as he goes.
Speaker 2: He has his head down, and the other person that
Speaker 2: I know is telling the other person that that really happened,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So I'm asking them, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And I thought it was like an exercise, that they
Speaker 2: were doing excise and they were trying to involve me
Speaker 2: because I know that the flight chief sometimes likes to
Speaker 2: involve anybody, but before he involves the armory, he has
Speaker 2: to call the army and let them know. He can't
Speaker 2: just do an exercise and involve the armory because we
Speaker 2: have our own protocols, right, So I'm thinking, is this
Speaker 2: an exercise? How come I wasn't called blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: And these guys are like, no, there's not an exercise.
Speaker 2: And then I noticed the two guys that are sitting
Speaker 2: in there. They're not supposed to be inside of the
Speaker 2: area too. They're supposed to be the outside community patrol.
Speaker 2: It's called OSCAR patrol. So for some reason they can't inside,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering what they're doing inside there means there's
Speaker 2: nobody outside, you know, garden. They came in because they
Speaker 2: were on one of these bluffs that overlook the backside
Speaker 2: of the area too, and as they were about to
Speaker 2: back out to leave, they heard this roar or what
Speaker 2: they call a scream roar, that's what they described it,
Speaker 2: that shook the hum v that they were in, and
Speaker 2: they almost drove off the side of the cliffs, which
Speaker 2: would have killed them, but they wound up like you know,
Speaker 2: getting out of there. And then one damil decided, I'm
Speaker 2: going home for the night. I don't feel well. And
Speaker 2: then the other one said he wanted to switch his
Speaker 2: post and he wound up having to switch his post.
Speaker 2: So that's a possible catman or some sort of cryptid
Speaker 2: thing that happened. But I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure, dude, I'll bets are off after hearing about potential
Speaker 1: chimeric catman. I mean, who knows what kind of creature
Speaker 1: that could have been. But if it's enough to shake
Speaker 1: a humvee, my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because I mean these cryptids, you hear, like even
Speaker 2: with like Sasquad, they their vocals project so strongly that
Speaker 2: they shake things, you know, shake wing nails and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So who knows what this was? And there
Speaker 2: are bigfoot out in Vegas. I mean and that are
Speaker 2: not in Vegas like gambling or anything. But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: there's people that have set out in the Sierra Nevadas
Speaker 2: and all that that they see, you know, bigfoots out there.
Speaker 2: So absolutely who knows, who knows Jeremont, who knows? You know,
Speaker 2: let me tell you one more epperience because I don't
Speaker 2: want to. I don't want to. Like, this is something
Speaker 2: that happened again while I was in Florida, but it
Speaker 2: didn't happen to me. It happened to a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Okay at the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is like really quick. Okay, So this individual
Speaker 2: that I used to hang out with is not into
Speaker 2: the paranormal at all, like they He knows I'm into
Speaker 2: the paranorm but he's not into it. He never talks
Speaker 2: about it. I would bring up, hey, did you see
Speaker 2: this doctum? You should see this documentary. This documentary is cool,
Speaker 2: but he's not into any of that stuff. It's happened
Speaker 2: like around twenty twelve. Okay, so at the time he
Speaker 2: was working for a pharmaceutical company in this sort of
Speaker 2: industrial like area. But again in Florida, you have areas
Speaker 2: of work, areas of swamp areas of areas where people
Speaker 2: live area, you know, swamp area. It's all mixed in
Speaker 2: and they're all connected. So he would go to the
Speaker 2: back very frequently to smoke because he was a smoker.
Speaker 2: And in the back there was probably like a gate
Speaker 2: which separated the swamp from you know, from the job.
Speaker 2: And he said there was like this really huge retention pond,
Speaker 2: and every time he would go back there, he would
Speaker 2: see like the gators swimming and chasing after each other,
Speaker 2: you know. So one day he said he went back there,
Speaker 2: and he called me right after this happened. But he
Speaker 2: said he went back there and something told him to
Speaker 2: look in the specific area and it was high, you know,
Speaker 2: high like shrubbery or brush that was probably like six
Speaker 2: or seven feet tall, and there was this one tree
Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, something steps out of the tree.
Speaker 2: And he said all he could see was like a shoulder,
Speaker 2: a chest, and part of like maybe abs and it
Speaker 2: stood there literally for like five six seconds, and then
Speaker 2: it went right back in. And he told me, like
Speaker 2: lost his you know what, he lost his mind, calls
Speaker 2: me up. I can't understand what he's He's like yelling,
Speaker 2: he's saying, am I crazy, He's saying all these weird things.
Speaker 2: And then he finally explained it to me, like what
Speaker 2: it was. And I was like, was it a horse?
Speaker 2: And he's like, why would a horse be in the swamp?
Speaker 2: Asked him if it was a bear. He said, the
Speaker 2: shoulder of this thing was manly. He said it was
Speaker 2: like a man's, like like a ripped man's shoulder. He
Speaker 2: said it was like you could see the biceps of it.
Speaker 2: He said you couldn't see the hand because there was
Speaker 2: like shrubbery covering it kind of, but he said that
Speaker 2: it was a part of a chest. He was like,
Speaker 2: whatever this was was like a hulk, he explained, it
Speaker 2: like a brown hulk, like a cinnamon brown hulk.
Speaker 1: That is so strange.
Speaker 2: This is in central Florida. But I've talked to people
Speaker 2: like I've talked to David Adoity. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're aware of David's adity. He's a researcher out here
Speaker 2: in Florida. Stacy Brown Junior. I talked to him and
Speaker 2: he confirms, for sure, in central Florida there's tons of
Speaker 2: like little pockets, little groups of skunk cape out here
Speaker 2: in Central Florida.
Speaker 1: Big for society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Not just in like in the Everglades or let's say
Speaker 2: like an o'calla natural park where there's been fightings. But
Speaker 2: you know, in Cassimi is the history of skunk capes
Speaker 2: and Cassimi going way back to like the ninth early
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, you know, So they're out here. It's just
Speaker 2: people who probably have seen them and they just don't
Speaker 2: report them because they think that people aren't going to
Speaker 2: believe them and things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, if anyone would know, it would be
Speaker 1: Stacy Brown Junior. For sure. He's he's got his eyes
Speaker 1: is everywhere down there, that guy is. He's a wild dude, Chris,
Speaker 1: can I can I ask you one more question, just
Speaker 1: because I've been looking at this thing in your email
Speaker 1: that you put in and I can't let you go
Speaker 1: if you can at least talk a few minutes about it.
Speaker 1: You said that you have a feeling that you may
Speaker 1: have seen a werewolf about six months ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about six seven months ago. Man, Okay, So I
Speaker 2: don't understand, Like again, don't I don't manifest these things.
Speaker 2: I don't call for these things to happen to me.
Speaker 2: I've never called for these things to happen to me,
Speaker 2: but after they happen, I just don't have any answer
Speaker 2: as to why, you know why. Maybe one day I'll
Speaker 2: find out. I don't know, but anyway, I'm a very
Speaker 2: habitual person. And it could be because maybe I'm autistic
Speaker 2: and I don't know it, because there was no such
Speaker 2: thing as autism when I was growing up. But I'm
Speaker 2: very patronistic. I do things in patterns, and I'd just
Speaker 2: like to do things a certain way. And I'm not
Speaker 2: really a fan of change too much unless it makes
Speaker 2: sense to me. So this is when I was living
Speaker 2: at the house prior to what I'm living at now.
Speaker 2: The house that I was living prior my wife and
Speaker 2: I owned. You know, the market was good for us
Speaker 2: and we wound up selling it. But I would drive
Speaker 2: to work the same route and then drive home the
Speaker 2: exact same route. Okay, So if anybody wants to look
Speaker 2: up on them, not this area. I'm telling you there's
Speaker 2: something in this area in East Orlando near UCF University
Speaker 2: of Central Florida. There's a lot of like patches of
Speaker 2: swamp lands in there, particularly in this area where it's
Speaker 2: called j Blanchard Park area off of Rause Road. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I lived off of Ralphs Road, but probably about
Speaker 2: three four miles from the park, and I would take
Speaker 2: Ralps Road all the time. Hit this boulevard, Colled University Boulevard.
Speaker 2: That boulevard, if you go one way, it runs right
Speaker 2: into the UCF and if you go the opposite ways,
Speaker 2: that's where I would go to work. Jay Blanchard Park
Speaker 2: itself is a park mixed with the swamp. Like literally
Speaker 2: you can be jogging and then you have a retention
Speaker 2: pond right next the way you're jogging and gets just
Speaker 2: right there hanging out. No problem. Right from what I know,
Speaker 2: there hasn't been any incident of anybody getting injured. You
Speaker 2: have people literally picnicking right on the edge of that
Speaker 2: retention pond with gators, like right there, no problems. Right
Speaker 2: across from that retention pond is heavily swamp and that
Speaker 2: runs all the way from Rouse Road the backside all
Speaker 2: the way to this other park called Dean and then
Speaker 2: it runs diagonally across towards University Boulevard and there's like
Speaker 2: this little bridge area where water goes like underneath. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like a sort of creek and
Speaker 2: it continues on it. So there's nothing but nass swamp
Speaker 2: area there, and there's these little side streets on Ross Road.
Speaker 2: Now I just took the main roads. I took Raus
Speaker 2: University Bangal left to go to work. I'm my way back.
Speaker 2: I hit University Bangle right on Raus Go straight towards
Speaker 2: my house. For about a week, they were doing work
Speaker 2: on University Boulevard on the road, and so they were
Speaker 2: courting off certain lanes and that would cause like heavy traffic.
Speaker 2: So after about a week of this, like I kind
Speaker 2: of got tired and I really just wanted to go home,
Speaker 2: and I decided, oh, there's a street coming up that
Speaker 2: I can kind of cut across and then take another
Speaker 2: side road, you know, as a shortcut to get home.
Speaker 2: So I wound up busting or right on Dean Road,
Speaker 2: which is part of that area that I talked about.
Speaker 2: But somebody else had the same idea as me. There
Speaker 2: was a car that was in front of me, about
Speaker 2: maybe twenty car links ahead of me. There's kind of
Speaker 2: like a goldish cream like car, so it's like twenty
Speaker 2: twenty carlings ahead of me. So I bust my right.
Speaker 2: It's already like ahead of me. It's about to make
Speaker 2: this left on a road called Buck Road. Now, anybody
Speaker 2: can do this if they want you. They can look
Speaker 2: up Jay Blanchard Park, Central Florida and look it up
Speaker 2: on a map like aerial view, and you'll see that
Speaker 2: there's so much swampy lands there. Anything could be in there. Anything.
Speaker 2: So when I make my left on Buck Road, this
Speaker 2: car is significantly ahead of me. So I'm starting to
Speaker 2: somewhat catch up to it. And we're about like halfway
Speaker 2: between Buck Road and that shortcut to hit Rouse Road
Speaker 2: right because I'm taking a shortcut right, I'm about to
Speaker 2: make my right on not about you, but I would
Speaker 2: be making a right on Rous Road to them head home.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the car in front of me
Speaker 2: slows down for a little bit, like slows down, and
Speaker 2: then just takes off. Okay, now that's not the first
Speaker 2: time I've ever seen something like that, because people tend
Speaker 2: to use their phones a lot when they're driving and
Speaker 2: they don't realize that they're slowing down or maybe that
Speaker 2: they're speeding up. So in my mind, I'm thinking this
Speaker 2: car slowed down because maybe they were doing something with
Speaker 2: the phone and they realized they had to take off
Speaker 2: and go somewhere or whatever. But it slowed down and
Speaker 2: then it just took off. So as I'm approaching the
Speaker 2: same area that this car was at again, it's like
Speaker 2: a wall of like nothing but you know, swamp land, tree, shrubbery,
Speaker 2: and then it opens up and you can see somewhat
Speaker 2: of a field. And as I'm driving and Jeremiah, this
Speaker 2: is like literally a seven second incident, but a lot
Speaker 2: happened in the seven seconds. As I'm driving and I
Speaker 2: look over. I don't know why I looked over, but
Speaker 2: I looked over. There's a little bit of an open field.
Speaker 2: There's something standing there. So all I notice is pointy ears,
Speaker 2: mouth open with fanes. I noticed somewhat of a tour
Speaker 2: so I noticed two legs, not four, but two. So
Speaker 2: whatever this is is standing on two legs, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's clinging in colors okay. So in my head I'm thinking, stump, No,
Speaker 2: it's this somebody playing a joke, like in some sort
Speaker 2: of costume, you know, because mind you, I'm in a
Speaker 2: vehicle and I drive a Nissan and it's not high
Speaker 2: off the ground. So this was above the car because
Speaker 2: I had to look up at it. This was above
Speaker 2: the car, and it's probably about twenty feet away from
Speaker 2: me into you know, into this like field, okay, And
Speaker 2: even in that seven seconds, I noticed slight movement and
Speaker 2: I attribute that to it breathing, like breeding in and out,
Speaker 2: like the slight movement of it. And then I mean
Speaker 2: I came to my senses because I'm realizing there was
Speaker 2: a car that was ahead of me, and I don't
Speaker 2: know where that car is right now. So if I
Speaker 2: rear end this car, then I'm stuck and this car
Speaker 2: stuck with whatever that is. So I had to like
Speaker 2: snap out of it and then realize, Okay, the car's
Speaker 2: significantly ahead of me, and it's already made its turn
Speaker 2: on rouse like like I was gonna make my turn,
Speaker 2: and then I just kind of just took off. You know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared because I'm in the car going forward
Speaker 2: at like forty miles an hour, you know. And the
Speaker 2: feeling I got is the first car saw it, it
Speaker 2: got surprised because it got seen by this car it
Speaker 2: was about to like maybe tink off. And then I
Speaker 2: come by and I see it too, So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like Oh crap, I've been seen, so I don't
Speaker 2: think it would have made me chased me or anything
Speaker 2: like that. You know. My fear more was, like I said,
Speaker 2: hitting the car possibly in front of me, or hitting
Speaker 2: something or hitting somebody, and then I'm stuck with whatever
Speaker 2: this thing is.
Speaker 1: That's wild. I think the wildest part is that you
Speaker 1: had to look up at it where you were situated
Speaker 1: in the car. That's so crazy, man, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I would never thought in the Millionaires,
Speaker 2: even with any of my other experiences, that I would
Speaker 2: see something like that, because even though I've heard like
Speaker 2: accounts from this show and other shows, and I do
Speaker 2: believe that there's something out there, and never thought in
Speaker 2: the Millionaires that I would see it in the daytime. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: because this is like five twenty pm and the sun
Speaker 2: is still out, so this thing is out in the daytime,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. So open mouth, teeth all that.
Speaker 2: Chest, Yes, man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Say the name of the park again, please, J.
Speaker 2: Blanchard. So that's J A Y B L A N
Speaker 2: C H A R D J. Blanchard Park. Listen up
Speaker 2: and off off of Rouse Road R O U S
Speaker 2: E R O a d ross road in central Florida
Speaker 2: and look on the map and you'll see that area.
Speaker 2: There is something definitely out there. But this is this
Speaker 2: is you go. You drive through Florida, and I would
Speaker 2: imagine it's the same thing like if you drive through
Speaker 2: like Pennsylvania. You know, if you're from Pennsylvania, you probably
Speaker 2: don't notice these things because you're thinking about every day
Speaker 2: life whatever. But just how much terrain is out there
Speaker 2: where you don't see people coming in and out of
Speaker 2: there where? Okay, So I feel like in Pennsylvania or
Speaker 2: somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, let's say, like a person
Speaker 2: can drive off the side of the road and just
Speaker 2: go hiking those type of places. You can't do that
Speaker 2: in Florida. You can't do that. In Florida. You can't
Speaker 2: walk into like some sort of marshy, swampy area because
Speaker 2: you know, you're not just worried about maybe like a
Speaker 2: big cats or bear, you're worried about gators and snakes
Speaker 2: and possibly falling into a retention upon and drowning. You
Speaker 2: don't have that in like Cali or in Pennsylvania. Like
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you have lakes and creeks there, but
Speaker 2: it's not. I don't think it's at a point where
Speaker 2: you wal, can you take the one step right? Next thing?
Speaker 2: You know, you're in water and if you disball the
Speaker 2: water in Pennsylvania, there's what's going to beat you. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Absolutely, you're going to eat you
Speaker 2: intality or any of these places. Well, you got gators
Speaker 2: don't eat right right, get you? You know what I say?
Speaker 1: Chris, an incredible chat. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: And man, we I think we've talked about things that
Speaker 1: have never been talked about on this podcast before. And listeners,
Speaker 1: if you know anything about Catman from Nellis Testing Range,
Speaker 1: please reach out Big Fist Society at gmail dot com,
Speaker 1: or you can put it in the comments on the video.
Speaker 1: Any stuff from this episode that you know stuff about.
Speaker 1: Put it. Let's put some comments on the video and
Speaker 1: let's get some conversation going. But Chris, this has been
Speaker 1: a super fun time. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, this was awesome and honestly I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're doing a great job on your show. I think
Speaker 2: it's awesome. Don't change.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Thank you, Chris, I appreciate that you have a
Speaker 1: great night.
Speaker 2: Man, All right, mommy.
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