1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: All right, who actually authorized those thousands of Biden autopen pardons? 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,160 What's going on with the Fixer Upper, couples, gay new show, 3 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:09,759 the new Superman movie. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Good or Bad? 5 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:27,719 Speaker 1: All that and more on the Kylie Cast. Hi everybody, 6 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:30,920 and welcome to the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold, Managing 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,759 editor at The Federalist. Be sure to like and subscribe 8 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:36,799 wherever you get your podcasts, and if you're just listening, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,079 be sure to check out the full video version of 10 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,280 the show on my personal YouTube channel or the Federalist 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,000 channel on Rumble. I'd also love to hear from you, 12 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:47,280 so you can email the show at radio at the 13 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:51,039 Federalist dot com. It has been a busy week of 14 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:55,000 Biden cover up news, starting with last Wednesday, when Biden's 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,039 White House doctor Kevin O'Connor finally appeared to testify before 16 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:03,359 a House oversy in response to a subpoena. Except he 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,760 didn't testify. As Biden's doctor, O'Connor would know more than 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,640 anyone else about the ins and outs of Biden's cognitive decline. 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,159 He probably tested him after he fell down the stairs 20 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,439 or after that infamous debate performance, and he might have 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,400 known about Biden's cancer, way earlier than we did, and 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,120 way earlier than Biden pretended he knew. But one thing 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,920 he definitely knows is who else knows and who else 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,400 was part of the cover up. But rather than cooperating, 25 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:32,640 he pled the fifth and kept his mouth shut. Ashley Williams, 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,640 a Biden aide who still works for him, was even worse. 27 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:38,560 But when she showed up to testify, instead of pleading 28 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:43,359 the fifth, she pled amnesia. In the five hour interview, 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,439 Williams reportedly couldn't recall so many things, including if Biden 30 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:50,760 used to tell a prompter in cabinet meetings, if there 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,519 were talks of giving Biden a cognitive test or a wheelchair, 32 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,239 if she ever had to wake up the sitting president, 33 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,359 or even easy personal questions like why did she get 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,840 involved with his campaign in the first place, or had 35 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,920 she talked to him within the past week. Pretty unbelievable, 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,960 But these, somehow aren't even the worst scandals That distinct 37 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:12,879 honor goes to no surprise the New York Times, which 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,039 ran a piece on Sunday about Biden's autopen and that 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,080 refers to the machine that replicates his signature on pardons 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,240 and other documents rather than Biden actually signing his own 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,719 name himself. Now, the autopen issue is important because Biden 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,520 signed thousands of acts of clemency on his way out 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,479 the door, including for drug offenders and for almost everyone 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,120 on federal death row, and all but one all but 45 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,639 one of these pardons, the one for his own crackhead 46 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,759 sun Hunter, was done by autopen, not by Biden's own hand. 47 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: So, considering it. 48 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: Was obvious to everyone with eyeballs that Biden was severely 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,800 cognitively and physically impaired by the time he left office, 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,280 and frankly well before he left office, inquiring minds want 51 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:58,599 to know whether Biden is the one who made the 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,120 clemency decisions or if it was actually the syndicate of nameless, 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,759 faceless staffers who are running the country. This is especially 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,439 important when it comes to Biden's sweeping of preemptive pardons 55 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:13,719 for people who caused irreparable damage to this country but 56 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,800 were never actually charged with crimes. These people would include 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Anthony Fauci, Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger, Mark Milly, 58 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:24,800 But we'll get back to them for now. Let's take 59 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,319 a look at this New York Times article, which is 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,879 of course co authored by Charlie Savage, a notorious Russia 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 hoaxer and thus the perfect person to run to with 62 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,879 this Democrat cya operation. The piece is clearly supposed to 63 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:40,599 be a defense of Biden and his use of the autopen, 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,000 and the headline announces that it says Biden says he 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,639 made the clemency decisions that were recorded with autopen. But 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 if you actually read the piece, that is not the 67 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:55,039 takeaway at all. The piece itself provides zero proof that 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,879 Biden made the decisions none. In fact, every sentence of 69 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,599 the story seems to end that Democrats just know they're 70 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:05,520 in serious trouble. What the article actually claims is this 71 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:10,039 quote Biden did not individually approve each name for the 72 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,879 categorical pardons. Rather than ask Biden to keep signing revised versions, 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,879 his staff waited and then ran the final version through 74 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,120 the autopen, which they saw as routine. In other words, 75 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:25,560 Biden's staff were admitting one that the President did not 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,560 actually authorize clemency grants and pardons for most of the 77 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,680 people who received them, and two that they changed documents 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,720 that Biden allegedly authorized and then signed them with the 79 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:41,360 autopen without getting their changes approved. This probably explains why 80 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,199 some big law firms which were nowhere to be found. 81 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:47,319 Of course, when Democrats were waging lawfare against peaceful twenty 82 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:50,519 twenty election protesters, mind you are now rushing to give 83 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,439 free legal services to a bunch of Biden's staffers. But 84 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,079 of course there's more. Here's what we learned about the 85 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:01,399 last minute preemptive pardons for Fauci and his ilk quote. 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,399 At the January nineteenth meeting, which took place in the 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,560 yellow Oval room of the White House residence, mister Biden 88 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:10,240 kept his aids until nearly ten PM to talk through 89 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:13,560 such decisions, according to people familiar with the matter, note 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,879 the anonymous source. The emails show then an aid to 91 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,360 mister Siskell, who was counsel for the White House, sent 92 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:23,079 a draft summary of mister Biden's decisions at that meeting 93 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,839 to an assistant to mister Ziens, the chief of Staff, 94 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,079 copying mister Siskell. At ten oh three pm. The assistant 95 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,160 forwarded it to mister Reid and mister Zion's, asking for 96 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:36,160 their approval, and then sent a final version to miss Feldman, 97 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:40,319 copying many meeting participants and aids. At ten twenty eight pm. 98 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:44,399 Three minutes later, mister Zion's hit reply all and wrote, quote, 99 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,000 I approved the use of the autopen for the execution 100 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,000 of all of the following pardons end quote. Now this 101 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:52,920 is a really confusing part of the story, so let's 102 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,920 break it down. First of all, we're supposed to believe 103 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:59,759 that the night before Trump's inauguration, Biden, the guy who 104 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:02,680 could barely keep his eyes open for a simple interview 105 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,279 and regularly called a lid by lunchtime, kept his staffers 106 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:10,600 until ten pm to talk through serious decisions. 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: I doubt it. 108 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: But even if we suspend disbelief, let's say the meeting 109 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,560 did happen. The New York Times says that after the meeting, 110 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,519 a staffer for one of the White House lawyers, who 111 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,160 likely wasn't even present for the meeting, according to other 112 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,800 parts of the article, emailed a summary of the meeting 113 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:28,399 to an assistant for Biden's chief of staff, who then 114 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:30,800 passed it along to the chief of staff and another aid, 115 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,279 and then sent a final version to the White House 116 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:37,480 staff secretary, who managed the autopen and in response, the 117 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,199 chief of Staff, Jeff Science, replies, I approve the autopen 118 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,319 us notice there is no point in there where Biden 119 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:49,079 is directly consulted for any of this. It's all a 120 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:52,560 big hug box of staffers giving each other permission to 121 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,279 use executive power. There is no direct, contemporaneous evidence that 122 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,000 Biden gave the specific okay on anything. It is all 123 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,560 third hand claims that Biden said it was okay. And 124 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,439 it turns out it was Zion's, not Biden. 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: Who okayed the Fauci pardon. 126 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: As my colleague Beth Brelhy wrote at The Federalist, the 127 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:14,920 pardon directions had a broken chain of custody, leaving ample 128 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,439 opportunity for the advisors or the aids to change or 129 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,519 add to what Biden said if they met with Biden 130 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:24,879 at all. There's one other major thing that this New 131 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,079 York Times article tries to hide, and that is the 132 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,959 specifics of the ten minute interview with Biden. Now, if 133 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,360 you read the article, you'll notice that it includes tiny 134 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:36,480 Biden quotes throughout, usually just short, punchy little phrases that 135 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:39,759 give the impression that Biden's really with it and definitely 136 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,160 sharp enough to have made all of these clemency decisions. 137 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:45,399 But the second paragraph of the piece links to Biden's 138 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:48,000 interview with The New York Times, and what you find 139 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,160 at that link is absolutely wild. Typically, if a news 140 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,959 outlet publishes an interview with the subject, it's pretty close 141 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,720 to a transcript. It's typically formatted as question answer, question answer, 142 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,720 chronological order, and maybe it's trimmed down or lightly edited 143 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,319 for clarity, but that's pretty much it. 144 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,839 Speaker 2: Not this interview. 145 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:11,399 Speaker 1: The Times formats the article as excerpts from the interview, 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,519 so there's no indication at all of how much they omitted. 147 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:17,399 And instead of a Q and A format, the Times 148 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:21,240 tried to edit the excerpts into nice, little, organized, coherent, 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,079 and frankly softball categories such as on who made the 150 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:31,519 clemency decisions? Really easy stuff. And still Biden's complete inability 151 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,039 to string together a full thought is bad, even with 152 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,679 The Times doing everything in its power to help Biden along. 153 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:42,840 Here's one excerpt regarding Biden's decision to commute the sentences 154 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,120 of thirty seven of the forty federal death row inmates. 155 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,879 Here it is, and that's that. That's the reason, because 156 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,279 it's sort of like, you know, the guy who you know, 157 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,120 I'm making this up, assassinates Abraham Lincoln. You don't you 158 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,039 know you can't pardon him because there's such a gigantic 159 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:06,720 implication for things that go well beyond that individual murder. 160 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,159 How the New York Times managed to get such nice 161 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,320 quotes from this word salad is really impressive. But this 162 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,200 is what the corporate media exist to do. Help democrats 163 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,360 accrue power at all costs, and then help them cover 164 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:22,000 it up when they abuse that power. My colleague John 165 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,600 Daniel Davidson wrote a really great piece about this scandal 166 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,399 at The Federalist, and his conclusion is spot on quote. 167 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,679 The New York Times can cite anonymous sources all at 168 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,840 once to try to contextualize the use of the autopen 169 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:38,159 at the eleventh hour of Biden's term, But like Biden's 170 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,120 obvious unfitness for office throughout his presidency, the truth is 171 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,759 right in front of us plain for all to see. 172 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:49,320 His presidency stands as one of the greatest political scandals 173 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,200 perpetrated against the American people in a generation, and eventually 174 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,039 someone needs to answer for that. I could not agree more. 175 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,480 They do need to answer for that. And if Republicans 176 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,480 in Washington and had any spine whatsoever, they would be 177 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,200 employing democrats. January sixth standard to get to the bottom 178 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,000 of this. Rachel Bouvard made an excellent point about this 179 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:12,039 in The Federalists this week, and that's that the Times 180 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,200 peace and the stonewalling from Kevin O'Connor and Ashley Williams, 181 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,200 they aren't about covering up Biden's mental decline. They are 182 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,960 about covering up the unelected and unaccountable coup allegedly taking 183 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,039 executive action in Biden's stead, because if those allegations are true, 184 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 then their actions are not only void, they are criminal. 185 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,320 Bouvart is right. Republicans in Congress should give O'Connor immunity 186 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:37,440 to make him testify and then build a case against 187 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,679 the Biden syndicate. And if Democrats try to get in 188 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,399 the way, Republicans shouldn't make them do it during televised 189 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:48,039 primetime hearings. That's the j six standard. Congressional Republicans have 190 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,720 the power, if not the balls, to do this, and 191 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:53,559 if they don't, they will be part of one of 192 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,120 the biggest political cover ups in American history. 193 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: We're at the worst level we've seen in thirty five years. 194 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:06,879 The watch Dout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski 195 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:09,759 every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 196 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:12,759 the economy and how it affects your wild. Americans making 197 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:15,960 median income need to spend forty percent of the money 198 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,879 they make on their monthly mortgage interest rates. Coming down 199 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:21,960 makes the prices just go back up. Prices need to 200 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,279 come down. Whether it's happening in DC or down on 201 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,960 Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,320 the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski 203 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,720 on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 204 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: All right, if you've paid any attention to the news 205 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,720 this week or logged onto Facebook, Instagram at all, there is. 206 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,919 Speaker 2: No way you've been able to avoid the news about 207 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:44,399 Chip and Joanna gains. 208 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: They are all anyone is talking about online and here 209 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:49,840 to discuss the scandal the latest scandal with Chip and 210 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:53,559 Joanna Gains is my colleague at The Federalist and friend 211 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:57,559 Jordan Boyd. So Jordan, can you tell us exactly what 212 00:11:58,039 --> 00:11:59,480 happened with the scandal? 213 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: Sure? Well, Chip and Joanna Gaines first got their fame 214 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,759 on HGTV, a home renovation show, but they really expanded 215 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:10,000 their empire and part of that has been they started 216 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,639 to produce a new show for HBO called Back to 217 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,399 the Frontier and it's supposed to be this home setting 218 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:19,759 challenge show where the cast gets dressed up in eighteen 219 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:22,799 hundreds attire and really you know, works the land and 220 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:25,279 tries to figure out what it would be like. And 221 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,559 featured on this cast is a gay couple who had 222 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,159 two sons via surrogacy, so they bought the eggs from 223 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,320 a woman and then rented the womb of another woman 224 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,960 to have their children. So this obviously raised a few 225 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,120 red flags with a lot of Chip and Joanna's base 226 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,440 because they are self professing evangelical Christians and have a 227 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,200 long time identity in that. It helps their rise to 228 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,600 fame quite a bit. They built their brand on that 229 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,039 and then all of a sudden, now have this endorsement 230 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:57,279 in their new show just by wayward of casting someone 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,679 in that lifestyle. So obviously there was an uproar on 232 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:04,399 social media and otherwise, and they didn't take to it 233 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:07,399 so well. You know, in the Christian faith, you're called 234 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,120 to accountability for your brothers and sisters in Christ. But 235 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:15,039 Chipgates specifically was not a fan of people questioning why 236 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:17,919 they had this couple on their show or why they 237 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:21,000 hadn't made a statement or anything, and he sort of 238 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,240 blashed out it was really interesting. 239 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in fact lashed out pretty strongly against his 240 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,399 fellow Christians by smearing them, basically accusing them of judging, 241 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,759 of drawing conclusions without asking questions. It's like, I'm not 242 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:37,879 really sure what questions you need to ask when you 243 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,960 are putting this front and center on the advertisement for 244 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,240 your new show. That doesn't really seem like the time 245 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,919 when Christians should be asking questions so much as asking 246 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,120 them what is going on? 247 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Like there's no other question to ask the gains Is 248 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:50,039 at this point. 249 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,759 Speaker 4: Absolutely, it came off really manipulative and in a way 250 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:56,799 that was I think alarming for a lot of the 251 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:02,320 people who had seen the Gaines's history marriage. In twenty sixteen, 252 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,360 there was kind of a controversy manufactured by Buzz Speed, 253 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,840 which would published an article, you know, complaining that the 254 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:11,960 gains Is went to a church that believed in traditional marriage, 255 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,320 which that's laughable. If you're a Christian, you should believe 256 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,399 in the physical definition of marriage between a man and 257 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,799 a warrant. And the games Is it was such a 258 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,240 non issue at the time that they really like brush 259 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,320 it off, didn't make a statement or anything, but they 260 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,120 also didn't let it deter them from continuing forward. And 261 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,039 as we've seen in the last decade, their success has 262 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:35,159 just mounted. But given that and the contrast with now, 263 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,799 we're seeing a really different picture and it's not looking good. 264 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just going back to your previous point. I 265 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:46,679 did see one clip of these two men who are 266 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,159 in this union together and they were talking to some 267 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,200 I don't know, I think it was like an LGBT 268 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:56,039 news outlet or some such that was asking about the casting, 269 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,879 and it sounds like the Gains were specifically looking for 270 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,519 a gay couple to cast, like they had a on 271 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,200 the casting call, or however they were advertising that they 272 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,200 were looking for people for the show, they advertised it 273 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,960 with a same sex couple. And so this isn't even 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 like something that they fell backwards into or they were 275 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,399 worried about getting sued or like like, even those would 276 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,559 not be defenses for this at all. But this seems 277 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,360 like a very very intentional choice and this is not 278 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:25,679 an accident. It's really it goes so much deeper than that. 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,720 But to your point, Jordan, I mean a lot of 280 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,320 conservative Christians are rightly super upset by this and view 281 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,480 it as a betrayal by the gains Is, who you know, 282 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,440 were like cultural Christians, people that you could point to 283 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,279 and you know at least they identified as a part 284 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:44,159 of the faith. But the twenty sixteen dust up with 285 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,360 their church is not even the last time that Chip 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,240 and Joanna have been in the spotlight for this exact 287 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:52,240 same thing. And the most recent one actually was during 288 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,279 the whole Target fiasco. I think it was in twenty 289 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,440 twenty two, when Target went from just being like a 290 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:02,519 casual promoter of rainbows and gay pride to being like 291 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:07,240 actively lets trans the kids and like have children's books 292 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,440 that are about like babies being non binary, or having 293 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,559 swimsuits that are specifically for like adolescents who are trying 294 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:17,879 to pretend that they don't have breasts, or like tuck 295 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:18,960 their genitals or whatever. 296 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: And during that time. 297 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:24,679 Speaker 1: Chip and Joanna had obviously, I mean they're essentially business 298 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,720 partners with Target. They have this incredibly successful brand, Magnolia, 299 00:16:28,799 --> 00:16:33,159 that is sold exclusively at Target, and people came came 300 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,080 to ask them, like, hey, are you going to pull 301 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:38,360 your merchandise from Target? Like everybody else's boycotting Target? Are 302 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,720 you going to boycott Target because they're flouting your religious beliefs. 303 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,639 Speaker 2: To the point that Target had a. 304 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,279 Speaker 1: Satanist that was designing some of this trans merchandise, and 305 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:52,039 that's essentially the Gains is business partner. 306 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:53,399 Speaker 2: And people ask, you know, are you going to do 307 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,000 anything about this? 308 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: And they did nothing, like nothing, and to the point 309 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 that their businesses probably haven't looked at the numbers, but 310 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,279 more successful now. I mean, they've just they plowed right 311 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,720 ahead with partnering with Target. And so it's like Christians 312 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:08,039 are upset about this, but at a certain point, it's like. 313 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,759 Speaker 2: Is this fool me once? Shame on you, fool me twice, 314 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:11,440 shame on me? 315 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:13,039 Speaker 1: Kind of a thing like didn't think Gains just tell 316 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,519 us exactly who they were a couple of years ago. 317 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,319 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they did more than nothing. Specifically, Joanna turned 318 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,559 off the comments on all of her social media right 319 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,799 around that time that boycott started to get traction, And yeah, 320 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:26,680 what we saw was an explosion of this heart and 321 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,000 hand home to core line, which I don't know about 322 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,240 your Target, but it's front. 323 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:30,839 Speaker 2: And center and mine. 324 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:35,279 Speaker 4: It's definitely the future of targets Home to Course. 325 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, the second only to the trans merchandise during 326 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,400 Pride mind, yes. 327 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you would think like Christians would want to 328 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,200 speak up about you know, Satanism and like that whole 329 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,440 part of the world, like not even the LGBT stuff, 330 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,440 like the first thing. The most offensive things should be 331 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,480 like you know, the professed. 332 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: Enemy of God. 333 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 4: But you know whatever. Yeah, I think that is when 334 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,319 we started to see the slippage really publicly. 335 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: But as we've seen with these. 336 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: These cultural Christian influences, they're slippage all the time. And 337 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,559 I called it in my article the Chosen effect, right 338 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,200 like we saw the Chosen had this rise to fame, 339 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:15,279 so many Christians platformed and encouraged it and funded it 340 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,400 and got it front and center. You know, I think 341 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,640 you can just find it on Netflix nowadays. But what 342 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:25,279 happened there was Dallas Jinkins, the creator, had some behind 343 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,359 behind the scenes shooting going on, and a producer had 344 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:31,359 a gay flag attached to his camera on the set 345 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,480 where where you know, the purported cast member for Jesus 346 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:39,519 is walking around and people obviously questioned that and and 347 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:43,759 the Chosen's cast response was either to affirm that that 348 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:46,680 flag and what it stands for, or to kind of 349 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,599 you know, grovel and and say, well, you know, we 350 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:52,160 were supposed to love your neighbor and love everyone. And 351 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,480 that's all good and fun when we keep it in context. 352 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:56,559 But the truth is, like I said at the beginning 353 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:58,960 of the segment here is Christians are called to a 354 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,720 certain level of accountabil for each other and we're just 355 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,599 not seeing that play out. And I think it's such 356 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:10,119 a tricky balance to strike because you want those Christian 357 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,000 influences in the culture. But at the end of the day, 358 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:14,960 and I think our editor Hayden had a piece go 359 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,119 up today on The Federalist about it, if the Christians 360 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,119 don't control the culture, the culture will never carve out 361 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,599 a special space and not bring those other worldly influences 362 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 and not force them in. So if you're not standing 363 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,240 strong on your faith and not standing strong on those principles, 364 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:31,839 you're going to fall. And what we've seen with the 365 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:35,400 Games is a fall from grace, far from where we 366 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,279 thought they were in even twenty sixteen. 367 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Christian influences on the culture, of course, 368 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,599 there was another super piece, a super sad piece of 369 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,279 news this week, and that was the passing of pastor 370 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,039 and theologian John MacArthur, who died at eighty six years old. 371 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,039 I mean, he was truly a modern hero of the faith. 372 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:57,319 There's no denying that. And I just think there's an 373 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,279 obvious and huge contrast worth pointing out here. I mean 374 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,759 the price that MacArthur paid for his faith and the 375 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:09,720 payment that the gains Is received for completely abandoning their faith. 376 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,640 And I mean, look at John MacArthur's life, but when 377 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,160 it cost him something to stand firm on biblical qualifications 378 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,079 for pastors, or against the divisive racial politics that have 379 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,920 been completely tearing apart churches and are an antithesis to 380 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,839 the Gospel, or defying California state orders to basically disregard 381 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,720 the biblical call to not neglect the assembly, and he 382 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,920 defied that to faithfully keep his church open or to 383 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,119 reopen it during COVID. And meanwhile, the Gainses have caved 384 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,000 on what is one of the most basic biblical truths 385 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:49,920 just because it's culturally in vogue and they can make 386 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,759 a quick buck. And I just want to get your 387 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:55,359 thoughts on this, Jordan. I saw this tweet regarding that, 388 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,039 and I thought it was really really well put. Half 389 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:01,160 of my feed is about Christian celebrities compromising to the 390 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,079 world and the grief that caused to see it, and 391 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,079 the other half is about the glory soon to be 392 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,279 had for a saint who was finishing his race. Well, 393 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:10,599 the contrast is clear, and I know which one I 394 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,440 want to be like. That was from a man named 395 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,759 Troy Fraser on Twitter. But Jordan, what are your thoughts 396 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:16,039 on that? 397 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, one of the things that made John MacArthur 398 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,680 such as standout servant of Christ is his fidelity to 399 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:27,400 the Bible and the biblical principles and theology that drive Christians. 400 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,319 And he was always pointing people, even if they were 401 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,160 of a denomination that didn't necessarily prioritize that back to 402 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,720 the Word of God. And like you said, marriage is 403 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,000 one of the things that's very clearly outlined in the 404 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,279 Word of God. It's on that roadmap. It's actually central 405 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,559 to the picture that we see of Christ and the 406 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,880 bridegroom and the church and the Gainses have failed to 407 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:53,640 not only apparently comprehend that, but share that with the world, 408 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,200 and so to see that contrast is striking. And I 409 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,039 think John MacArthur, if he were still alive and well, 410 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,880 would certainly want everyone to go back to that biblical definition, 411 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:07,839 and it's an important one to adhere to because there's 412 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,920 so many trickle down effects from that. And what we've 413 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,200 seen with the Gains is endorsement not only in this show, 414 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,640 but on their social media and in some of their hiring, 415 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:20,000 is that they're willing to endorse lifestyles that not only 416 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:24,720 put that traditional marriage, that perfect gift at risk, but 417 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,720 also the lives of the children that are brought into 418 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:31,160 those situations. And like the cast members on back to 419 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,279 the Frontier using bought eggs and rented wombs to obtain 420 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,559 their sons, those are our lifetime. There are lifetime consequences 421 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:44,119 for those children because of those arrangements, and unfortunately in 422 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,839 the United States, there's not a lot of regulation or 423 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,799 pushback even in society on that sort of thing. But 424 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,519 what we've seen over and over is that children lose 425 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,960 in every single situation that they're commissioned that way, and 426 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:58,880 those boys are forever without the mother whose DNA they have, 427 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,000 and forever without the mother whose DNA they received in 428 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:05,359 the womb, and that is heartbreaking. That should be a 429 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,119 red flag for anyone. And when you go about endorsing 430 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:15,559 lifestyles that require assisted reproductive technology or require those those 431 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,440 dysfunctional just at the heart arrangements that go from you know, 432 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,839 tearing a child away from who they were meant to 433 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,799 be with. It has these trickle down effects on society 434 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:31,079 that don't just affect the people in those arrangements, book 435 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,839 by everyone else, and so signing off on that or 436 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,200 promoting it is just heartbreaking at the end of the day. 437 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,759 Speaker 1: I think there's a it's really easy to see the 438 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,960 business incentives here, like obviously it helps Chip and Joanna 439 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,680 Gains's business and their income and you know the success 440 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,160 of their show potentially to appeal to what is culturally 441 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,160 in vogue. But there's also a real theological component and 442 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:03,079 a doctrine component, and I think it's something that's it's 443 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,720 this idea that's really crept into I think every denomination. 444 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:08,680 I don't think any denomination is immune from this, and 445 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,599 that's this idea that you can outlove God, or that 446 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,039 you can be you can be more loving than God, 447 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,839 that you can compromise and then disguise it as compassion, 448 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,519 or that like, you know, if you really want to 449 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:28,000 look like Jesus, you actually have to be more appealing 450 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,319 to the culture than Jesus would be, and it's like 451 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,400 he is the standard. He defines what is love, he 452 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,039 defines what is justice, he defines what is marriage, he 453 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:40,960 defines what is compassion, and he you know, he famously 454 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,079 was very like he was friends with sinners, and in 455 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,480 fact he called people to follow him who were sinners, 456 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,279 including us, including modern day Christians, but he never like 457 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,279 the call is to repent and believe it's not to 458 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,559 be who you are. And that's something that we're not 459 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,759 seeing from the gains Is. And there's an aspect that 460 00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:03,799 I really want to get your thoughts on. It's super 461 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,119 disturbing and it goes to some of the familial dynamics 462 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,640 that you just touched on. And that's apparently one of 463 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,279 the Gaines's friends and their employee, I think he's a 464 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:17,480 cameraman who claims to be a Christian, announced that he 465 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:21,119 was gay and decided to bring his gay lover. So 466 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,079 he's married. He decided to bring his gay lover into 467 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,799 his home that he shares with his wife and five 468 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 children so that he could pursue an open and like 469 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,279 homosexual relationship with this man, even though he's also married 470 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,119 to this woman. And the gains did not just ignore it, 471 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,759 which would have been a problem anyway if this is 472 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,160 you know somebody that would say he's your brother in Christ. 473 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,519 But they actively encouraged it and congratulated it. And here 474 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,640 is a tweet or an Instagram post rather than Megan 475 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:56,079 Basham tweeted that shows this like support for this friend 476 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,160 and cameraman or friend and employee. I he might not 477 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,480 be a cameraman, but I think is where Joanna Gains 478 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,759 responds to his post about this issue and says, you 479 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:10,599 are so good, We love you. There are so many 480 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,680 casualties in this. You're talking about five children that you 481 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,039 are bringing a man. 482 00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: Into the home. 483 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,319 Speaker 1: That is one of the most dangerous things you can 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,400 do for children. They are most at risk when they 485 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,240 are living with an unrelated man. 486 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:27,759 Speaker 2: I mean, this is. 487 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,839 Speaker 1: Putting the desires of adults before the rights of kids 488 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,359 in the most blatant way. 489 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think I read somewhere that some of 490 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,160 those children are adopted, so they went through this redemptive 491 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400 situation where they were placed with loving parents, a man 492 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000 and a woman who are married, which for children is 493 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,240 the best outcome that you can have is living with 494 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:52,200 your married biological parents. The next best outcome is living 495 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,519 with married or married parents not just biological who are 496 00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:00,000 a man and a woman and bringing in their parties, 497 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,359 like you said, is dangerous. So to go from this 498 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,599 redemptive situation where where they get the next best thing 499 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:10,400 to what could have been, and have their family fall 500 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,519 apart in front of their eyes is absolutely disheartening and 501 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,759 heartbreaking and there's just no way around it. And to 502 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,160 sit there and say you are good. 503 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:19,319 Speaker 2: The goal is not. 504 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 4: For Christians to be good, ever, it's for us to 505 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359 be christ Like, and like you were saying, to be 506 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,880 christ Like, to be loving. 507 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: The most loving thing. 508 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 4: That you can do is to adhere to God's design 509 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,799 and that is not God's design in any form or fashion. 510 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,680 You're not going to find that anywhere in a way 511 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,119 that's beneficial or glorifying to the Kingdom of God. And 512 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359 so to see the Games is put their business and 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,559 their image forward in this and make that the priority is. 514 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,759 It's very concerning, and I think Christians do have a 515 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:52,759 right to speak out, which is why when Chip Games 516 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,319 was lashing out on social media people who were in 517 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,920 good faith trying to engage him on this issue, he 518 00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,960 lost a lot of points for it. 519 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,039 Speaker 1: And rightfully so well and basically smearing the people who 520 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,000 are exactly where Chip Gains claim to be a decade ago. 521 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,759 I mean, how far they've fallen in ten years or 522 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,559 nine years or whenever this was that their church was 523 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:16,519 attacked over this, and the fact that they have solid 524 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,359 and they have compromised on their faith that much in 525 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,640 that many years. And it makes me think of the verse, 526 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:23,920 What does it profit a man if he gains the 527 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,799 whole world and loses his soul? And I think I 528 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,200 can't judge souls. Only God can do that. But I 529 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,799 think the Gains are really running the risk of that here. 530 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,799 And yeah, it's just it's very sad to see, and 531 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,039 I think Christians are right to be to be upset 532 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:39,599 about it and to speak up about it, because that's 533 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,759 what we're supposed to do. So anyway, Jordan, thank you 534 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,599 so much. I appreciate all of your insights. Please check 535 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,240 out Jordan's work on all of these topics, but specifically 536 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,079 her piece on Chip and Joanna Gaines, and I'm sure 537 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,559 you'll be seeing her back around here many more times 538 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:53,160 in the future. 539 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: Thanks Jordan. Thanks Kylie. 540 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's do a little bit of culture everybody 541 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,079 else is talking about Superman, so I guess I will 542 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:02,960 talk about Superman. 543 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,359 Speaker 2: I did go see the movie. 544 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,759 Speaker 1: I think it was about a week ago, so a 545 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,839 little fuzzy on some of the details because obviously I've 546 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:09,480 only seen it once. 547 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: It's still in theaters. But I have some thoughts. First 548 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,839 of all, I went into. 549 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: The movie with fairly low expectations, mostly because there was 550 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,359 so much hype leading up to the movie about Oh, 551 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,119 it's so pro immigrant, it's so anti Trump, but so 552 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,359 this and that, it's so woke and so here. I 553 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,039 am going into the movie expecting, well, it's Hollywood, so 554 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:30,839 it probably is going to be all of those things. 555 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,839 And I got to tell you, I did not see that. Sure, 556 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:36,519 there are maybe crumbs of that here and there, but 557 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,559 I actually thought it was pretty enjoyable. And I am 558 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,359 as sick of woke Hollywood dribble as the next guy. 559 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,559 But another thing I'm pretty sick of is when conservatives 560 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,400 give radical leftist ammo by freaking out over every little thing, 561 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,920 and especially preemptively freaking out about every little thing when 562 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,920 the movie isn't even out yet. Here's the deal, Hollywood 563 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,279 hates you. You know it, I know it. The entire 564 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,799 industry rejects all that is good and decent and true 565 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:12,039 and beautiful. They hate Christianity, they reject natural law, which 566 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:14,440 is one of the reasons, of course, why the content 567 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,440 Hollywood turns out is so consistently garbage. So if you 568 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,240 don't want to give your money to the industry, if 569 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,920 you don't want to go see these movies, then don't 570 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960 don't go see these movies. That's perfectly fine. You can 571 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,079 boycott them, take a stand against it, you know, use 572 00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:32,000 your dollars to signal that. But the takeaway from culture 573 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:36,039 just it's woke, it's icky, it's depraved is such a 574 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440 tired and lazy critique, And especially when you're talking about 575 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880 a movie like Superman, where the vast, vast majority of 576 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,440 the film was perfectly non woke and not political. Just stop, 577 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,440 just take a deep breath and enjoy it. One of 578 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,079 the things about the radical left is that they are 579 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,000 miserable people. They exist to be offended no matter what 580 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,599 Conservatives do. They hate it. They take umbrage, they take offense, 581 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,799 and it's just constant outrage, constant whatever. Cue the video 582 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,559 of the woman screaming into the abyss. That is the 583 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,839 posture of radical feminism. That is the posture of miserable, 584 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,279 woke leftists. That is not the posture that I want 585 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,440 to have as a conservative. So that was actually my 586 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,319 main issue with the movie was the way that conservatives 587 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,440 preemptively freaked out about it, and in my view, freaked 588 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,279 out about nothing. If you want to take issue with 589 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,119 the style of the movie or the genre of movie, 590 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,240 you know, there's plenty of things that you could critique, 591 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,160 but that was just, in my opinion, a pretty dumb critique, 592 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,400 especially when there is so much other garbage, woke Hollywood 593 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,119 content like this was a really stupid one to take 594 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,559 issue with. 595 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: Now. 596 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,359 Speaker 1: I am not into sci fi at all, which is 597 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,440 why I'm not a natural fan of much of the 598 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,599 superhero genre in general, but there was actually a lot 599 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960 that I liked about this movie. First of all, I 600 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,119 just really liked the general esthetic of the movie. It 601 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,599 was bright and bold and optimistic. It really matched the 602 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,160 super Man character in a way that I thought was 603 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,039 very cohesive and lovely. I also thought the character dynamics 604 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,440 were really good and really believable, especially against the backdrop 605 00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,759 of the recent Marvel movie. I know this was DC, 606 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,640 but whatever, the most recent Captain America was It was horrific. 607 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,640 I saw it in theaters and it was like I 608 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,359 almost walked out part way through because the dialogue was 609 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,200 so strained and so canned and so fake. It was 610 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,319 actually painful to watch, whereas in this film, I thought 611 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:34,160 the character dynamics were actually generally across the board pretty good. 612 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,160 One place that we saw this was with Clark's parents. 613 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:41,640 They were super endearing and very believable, just the conversations 614 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,599 that they had, the way that they were portrayed. It 615 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,559 was like poking fun at the boomerisms of them a 616 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,119 little bit, but in a very endearing way. It wasn't 617 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400 like nasty to them. Also, this was dumb. But Crypto 618 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,799 the dog, which I know is CGI. It's not even 619 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:58,599 a real dog, but they really nailed the dynamics between 620 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,640 the dog and his owner scene. 621 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:02,759 Speaker 2: There also might be spoilers in this, I don't know. 622 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: There's this scene where Clark wakes up and Crypto the 623 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,880 dog is lying on his chest and the dog is 624 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,799 just like staring at him waiting for him to wake up, 625 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,640 and just like perfectly still, except his tail is just wagging. 626 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,160 And that happens with my dog all the time, and 627 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,480 there were many moments like that in the film where 628 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400 it was like, oh, yeah, this is really believable. They 629 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,279 really captured like the companionship of a person and a dog, 630 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,480 and then a very obvious one, but Clark and Lewis 631 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:32,519 had really really believable chemistry. They developed those characters in 632 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,400 a way that was believable. The ten minute interview scene 633 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,400 was some of the best dialogue I've seen in a 634 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,519 movie of this genre, which can often be just so bad. 635 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240 Their disagreements felt less like James Gunn was trying to 636 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,400 lecture audiences through one character who was right and one 637 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,839 character who was wrong. That's such a classic Hollywood thing 638 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,400 to do, but more through two people who have the 639 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,599 same values but just come at things from different perspectives, 640 00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,880 which I think is so often how healthy relationships work. 641 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,960 One other thing worth pointing out. Mark Hemingway recently wrote 642 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,279 a great piece at The Federalist. It was last week. 643 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,920 The headline was Hollywood's inability to create masculine stars is 644 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,360 officially a problem, and he was particularly taking aim at 645 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,320 Pedro Pascal and how Hollywood keeps trying to make Pedro 646 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,360 Pascal happen as like a masculine dude, and it's super 647 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,760 gay because he is not. 648 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 2: He does not fit that bill at all. 649 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: And as evidence of this, Mark just talked about the 650 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,239 fact that there's really no big male stars right now. 651 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,559 Two of the biggest movies that came out recently were 652 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,599 Mission the Latest Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise and that 653 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,760 Formula One movie with Brad Pitt. I mean, these two 654 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,920 guys are like sixty Hollywood really has had trouble creating 655 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,239 new masculine stars. And he talks about how Timothy Shallomey 656 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,519 is like one of the biggest stars right now, but 657 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,400 he's not like super masculine. He's not the type of 658 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,000 guy that can carry the Brad Pitt Tom Cruise torch. 659 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,840 He's not the kind of guy that follows the old 660 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,199 adage of male leads, which is that women want to 661 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719 be with him and men want to be him. Nobody 662 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,119 wants to be Timothy Shallamane, nobody wants to be with 663 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,639 Timothy Shalman, and of course that also applies to people 664 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,639 like Paedro Pascal. He does not embody that. But I 665 00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:18,400 think Superman may have finally broken this mold and given 666 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,920 us an actual masculine star. David corn Sweat is just 667 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,280 like a typical, traditionally conventionally attractive man, tall, dark and handsome, 668 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,960 exactly what Superman is supposed to be. Hollywood didn't try 669 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440 to change that by giving us this little torp that 670 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,320 we were supposed to like think is amazing, and a 671 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,400 believable female counterpart who has her own opinions and is 672 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,400 very strong willed, but does not have this like in 673 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,679 your face feminist message. It's just this complimentary couple where 674 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,880 she steps up to serve him and he steps in 675 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,679 to serve her, and they compliment each other well, and 676 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,239 he doesn't need to step out of the way so 677 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,679 she can shine. It was lovely, and I thought that 678 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,480 there were actually a lot of things in the film 679 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,320 in that regard that were pretty conservative coded. So if 680 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,280 you haven't seen Superman yet, it might be worth your time. 681 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,880 If you're not into superhero movies, I don't know what 682 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,639 to tell you, but don't take the scolds word for 683 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,360 it that it's super woke and super anti Trump and 684 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,480 super pro immigrant or whatever they're saying. Tune it out, 685 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,679 don't be so easily offended, and actually engage with the 686 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719 culture and try to find something that's enjoyable about it, 687 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,079 because I think there's plenty that fits that bill in Superman. Anyway, 688 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,239 that's all for me, Thanks so much for tuning into 689 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,639 the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold and I'll be right 690 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,840 back here with a new episode next Thursday. 691 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,119 Speaker 2: Until then, just 692 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: Remember the truth hurts, but it won't kill you.