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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast edition

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<v Speaker 1>of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've gotta fight harder. Glad you're here?

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<v Speaker 1>Three or three someone three eight two five five text

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<v Speaker 1>d An five seven seven three nine. Why do I

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<v Speaker 1>say that at a time when we are still celebrating.

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<v Speaker 1>We should celebrate every single day, right because that victory,

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump victory America is saving America once again by

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<v Speaker 1>giving Trump a second term. You know, it's a gift

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps on giving every single day. But obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>reason we need to fight harder is Colorado tough nut

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<v Speaker 1>to crack. Colorado is going to be much much harder

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<v Speaker 1>than it was nationally. But we can't just give up

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<v Speaker 1>on the place, right because you see all the carnage

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<v Speaker 1>that's caused by that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Moral obligation to keep fighting and not just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>write this place off. Hilarious headlines CNN's big top headline

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<v Speaker 1>seven o'clock Eastern, quoting jd Vance as he arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>Greenland today, Blank gets cold as s as he arrives

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<v Speaker 1>to Chili reception. So that's CNN's take on everything. But

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<v Speaker 1>it just goes to show right that the Left at

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<v Speaker 1>this point it's just spinning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in kind of this doom loop.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's always been disconnected from what Americans want, but

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<v Speaker 1>even more so now. I mean, you really think Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are going to get upset because the Trump administration wants

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<v Speaker 1>Greenland under US control. Yeah, I guess if there was

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<v Speaker 1>some massive invasion and takeover Greenland, people would get upset.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what Trump's talking about. No, he is

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<v Speaker 1>looking out for interest. He doesn't want Chiana to have it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to work something out there. Ryan, This is

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<v Speaker 1>what and this goes beyond Trump. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Colorado, how to win in Colorado. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that people are craving across party lines. They're just craving

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<v Speaker 1>these big, bold, smart ideas that actually have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to work and would really make you know, big change.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen, Incremental change can be great too if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in really important stuff, but would make big change. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of us, I think all of us

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<v Speaker 1>are created by our creator this way. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>created to want to have a positive impact. We're created

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<v Speaker 1>to have a positive impact. I think everybody listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this show right now, and particularly because they listen to

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<v Speaker 1>a show like this right that, they're driven because they

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<v Speaker 1>want to have the biggest impact for good they can

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<v Speaker 1>during their time here, and so they're attracted to these big,

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<v Speaker 1>bold moves forward. And that is what Trump has always

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<v Speaker 1>been known for. Hey, is every swing going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a home run?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that that's not the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way life works, that's not the way any human endeavor works.

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<v Speaker 1>But these leaders who are willing to take a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>like right now, Trump could be absolutely cruising.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he won that second term.

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<v Speaker 1>He overcame, you know that, more obstacles than anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>who's ever won the presidency. He emerged victorious in this

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<v Speaker 1>face of all all of those attempts to take him

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<v Speaker 1>out in every possible way. He could have just said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm going to do. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to cut any spending my next four years. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to cruise now and I'm going to spend your

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<v Speaker 1>grandchildren's money, and everybody's going to be on a sugar

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<v Speaker 1>high for my four years and I'm going to leave

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<v Speaker 1>office with these huge approval numbers. He could have done that,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the things I admire most about him

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<v Speaker 1>is he didn't. He said, I've got a vision for

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<v Speaker 1>how we're going to make big change in this country

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits working people, you know, for centuries to come,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to do it right now, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what the pain is.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why we're stock.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in so many of these what seem intractable

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<v Speaker 1>problems that really are fixable is because you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials willing to do the hard things that would

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<v Speaker 1>make them unpopular temporarily or long term. They're not willing

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<v Speaker 1>to make that sacrifice for the nation. Trump is I

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<v Speaker 1>just admire the heck out of that eight five five

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, if you've got.

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<v Speaker 1>To make a choice between listening to the five o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>hour today or on Monday, I'd say listen Monday, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have a really, really important hour and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're here today also. But if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to make that choice Monday, we're going to have special

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<v Speaker 1>guests from the Elizabeth School District in Colorado, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are fighting now. They are fighting now to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to keep nineteen books, nineteen particular books off the shelves

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<v Speaker 1>of their school libraries, and the ACLU has gone to

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<v Speaker 1>court got an injunction to try to stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's what's going to happen Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to come on this show and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to give fair warning, particularly to ca because I know

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<v Speaker 1>she's her ears are very sensitive. But they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>read from these books. That's what Monday, in the five

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<v Speaker 1>from these books that the ACLU insists must stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the shelves of the schools in Elizabeth And you will

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<v Speaker 1>not want to miss that. Now, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>disgusted by a lot of what you hear, and will

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<v Speaker 1>give fair warnings, so kids in the car don't hear it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Not going to want to miss that hour three.

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<v Speaker 1>Or three someone three eight two five five text d

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<v Speaker 1>say I told you so, but I do believe young

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Schuling that we on this show, before the Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Show started talking about it, we were calling for CEU

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<v Speaker 1>to hire coach Prime, and now they just extended him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the top paid coaches in college football,

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<v Speaker 1>paid as much as a Texas coach, and the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>coach just gets paid whatever he.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants to get paid.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they got a lot of money in usin yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Tremendous, tremendous move by see you to get them, tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>move by see you to keep them. There's so much

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<v Speaker 1>upside on so many different levels.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The story that's getting glossed over today, and again we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to revert to sports. We just do that

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<v Speaker 1>during breaks. But the story that's getting glossed over is

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<v Speaker 1>Foalsome Field is tearing out the grass. They're putting in turf.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I am assuming because I trust the people in charge

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<v Speaker 1>up there that and they do everything first class, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>since Prime got there. I'm assuming that it's the most

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<v Speaker 1>advanced form of turf that has an injury rate equal

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<v Speaker 1>to or better than grass, if that's possible, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>always concerned about the injuries, right, But it's unmistakable as to.

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<v Speaker 2>Why they're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason they're doing it is this tells you everything

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<v Speaker 1>about where Prime is taking that team and the new

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback they brought in, highly recruited kit everything else. What

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<v Speaker 1>to see, you know, an offense with a passer but

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<v Speaker 1>also very very proficient runners at quarterback. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>plural because you need more than one if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have your quarterback running. So I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's all about speed, offense, defense, special teams.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's all about speed.

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<v Speaker 4>And turf maintenance, which grass is a lot more difficult,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in a climate like this one. It's expensive. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>once you pay for that turf, it's not as expensive

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<v Speaker 1>You are so right, But I don't think this has

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do with that or anything to do about money.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it has to do about team speed and

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<v Speaker 1>taking full advantage of the team speed.

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<v Speaker 2>The buffs half.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you ever walk around on turf for a long time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my lord, We used to when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>student up at SeeU, And this is why people tuned in.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to go out there.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to let you go go onto the field

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<v Speaker 1>at folsome when it was turf and just play pickup games.

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<v Speaker 1>If the team wasn't out there and we would play.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd play seven or eight pickup games a day.

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<v Speaker 4>That was like the old Astro turf though right.

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<v Speaker 2>The oh my goodness, you'd be better off.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd be better off going out in the street and

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<v Speaker 1>playing in the street exactly. But yeah, so no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so to answer your question, yeah, we'd spend hours on

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the newer turf is, it's better, but I still

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<v Speaker 4>don't think I would be concerned about the injury factor.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've both walked on new Field turf, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of it's made out of recycled tires. I've

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<v Speaker 4>been on Ford Field. I'm telling you, just walking around

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<v Speaker 4>on my back. It's stiff on light grass and the

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<v Speaker 4>players take a pounding on it, and I don't Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not as bad as the old AstroTurf, but I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it's anywhere nearly as good as the grass.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm curious about that decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, me too, because I've got to believe grass

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<v Speaker 1>is safer. But again, they're doing everything first class up there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll try to find out more about exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>was installed and what the safety rate is on all that,

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<v Speaker 1>but no question they're looking to take advantage of that

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<v Speaker 1>team speed. Hey, getting back to all this life and

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<v Speaker 1>desk stuff, we have a few things going on if

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<v Speaker 1>you just joined us, love to hear from me on

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<v Speaker 1>any of it. One is that this obviously just societally

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<v Speaker 1>suicidal build that is now going into effecting Colorado thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Polis that says that folks coming here illegally from

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the country can same day get a driver's

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<v Speaker 1>license in Colorado and their ID can be expired for

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<v Speaker 1>ten years. Well to be accurate, nine years, nine years,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and sixty three days. And the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that is quite obvious, right, so that if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>you and that idea, you can still get the license

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<v Speaker 1>because you can say, oh no, I look differently ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. So Polis and the Democrats going to extremes

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<v Speaker 1>to attract the largest number of people possible to come

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<v Speaker 1>here illegally to Colorado and then to get on our roads.

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<v Speaker 1>So why do you think he's doing that? So would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear from you on that. Also, want to

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<v Speaker 1>get your take on this. We're just talking about cu Boulder,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm so grateful that I got the Evans scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>for golf caddies and was allowed to go to CU Boulder,

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<v Speaker 1>lived every single minute of it. Just love the place

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<v Speaker 1>and was you know, student body president and so I

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<v Speaker 1>was in often all that stuff, all that activity stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the Trump administration is deporting students here on

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<v Speaker 1>student visas all over the country, hundreds at this point

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<v Speaker 1>for certain types of activism. And when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into the details on that, and I'll ask

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<v Speaker 1>you where you would draw the line on it. But

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<v Speaker 1>they've they've deported hundreds at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>Show And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>Turkish students in Boston was detained and handcuffed on the

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<v Speaker 6>help us understand what the specific action she took led

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<v Speaker 6>to her visa being revoked and what was your state

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<v Speaker 7>Kel, We revoked her visa. That's an F one visa.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe we were voked it and here's why. And

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<v Speaker 7>abundantly clear, Okay, if you go apply for a visa

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<v Speaker 7>right now anywhere in the world. Let me just send

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<v Speaker 7>tell us that the reason why you're coming to the

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<v Speaker 7>off eds, because you want to participate in movements that

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<v Speaker 7>are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students,

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<v Speaker 7>If you lie to us and get a visa and

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take away your visa. Anything wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love your take on this, because at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the administration has deported hundreds, pulled their visas and

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<v Speaker 1>deported hundreds, and you've got the left losing their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, because they support so much of this horrific

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<v Speaker 1>experienced it.

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<v Speaker 2>What student body presidency?

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<v Speaker 1>U Hey, I ended up testifying to a grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>out of me. And so yeah, I've seen it. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it up close and it's real. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>line is so clear, right, it's not about speech unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're actively supporting terrorist organization, then that really becomes conduct.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even a speech issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, anybody here on a visa who's supporting Hamas,

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<v Speaker 1>of the country today. But then beyond that we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the separate issue again, conduct not speech, the separate

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<v Speaker 1>issue of disruption, disruption of educational institutions. So, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what the issue may be, the issue may be. We

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<v Speaker 1>love Ryan Sholing, we want we want the Yale University

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<v Speaker 1>change to Shooling University or Ryan University. If the way

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to go about that is to disrupt the

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<v Speaker 1>business of the school and take over buildings and otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>and get them out of here. They're not throwing anybody

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, this is so obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're supporting terrorist organizations, you're out. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>disrupting operations at a school, you're out. Anything else. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a pattern now with the left. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I coined the term, didn't I? Ryan, Just societal suicide

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<v Speaker 1>by policy, and that is this is another example of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn n Highlands Ranch color out or you're under Dan

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<v Speaker 8>Hi. First, I want to have a related congratulations I'm

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<v Speaker 8>going to give to Ryan on his engagement. It's a

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<v Speaker 8>been about a month, but these regulations. I'm so excited

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<v Speaker 8>you Ryan, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 8>So when you mentioned Paul Is giving the licenses, so

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<v Speaker 8>as a so, my feeling is I'm very protective, fiercelly,

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<v Speaker 8>protective of my family and friends. Hurt my family and friends,

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<v Speaker 8>you hurt me. So when I think of a governor,

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<v Speaker 8>mayor or a governor of a state, I feel like

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<v Speaker 8>their job is to kind of look at their people

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<v Speaker 8>and their status extended family, and that you would want

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<v Speaker 8>to do, even though you'll never meet you know, ninety

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<v Speaker 8>nine percent of them, But to feel protective of the

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<v Speaker 8>the good law abiding citizens taxpayers safe and look out

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<v Speaker 8>for them as well as you can. I don't see

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<v Speaker 8>that happening in this situation, And for the life of me,

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<v Speaker 8>I cannot figure out the mindset of this governor and

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<v Speaker 8>how you feel like you're not really looked out for.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I help with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Land?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I help with that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't say this with any kind of malice

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<v Speaker 1>or animosity because I personally like him, and when I've

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<v Speaker 1>had him on the show as a guest, which was many,

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<v Speaker 1>many times over the years, both of us enjoyed every conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how strongly we disagreed, So you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no personal edge toward Jared Poulis in my mind. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just say this as clinically as possible. Of all

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama, maybe maybe the two are tied. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen anybody so completely self absorbed and self centered as

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Poulis. He seems to me again, will I enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>him personally?

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<v Speaker 2>He seems to me.

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<v Speaker 1>As unempathetic as anybody I've ever encountered, let alone anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in public life, and not in some sort of mean

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<v Speaker 1>spirited way like oh I wish harmon Lynn from Highland's Ranch,

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<v Speaker 1>but just kind of his basic persona and worldview and orientation.

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<v Speaker 1>He just doesn't feel it. He doesn't feel people, he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel their pain. It's just kind of irrelevant to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what we have as a governor.

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<v Speaker 8>I can agree with that. I don't think it's particularly malicious,

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<v Speaker 8>but the lack of awareness of the people and what

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<v Speaker 8>the effect on the people, I think is a total

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<v Speaker 8>lack of empathy, and it just I can't understand it.

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<v Speaker 8>And I would want to take care of everybody in

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<v Speaker 8>of family, friends and anybody that I could, even strangers,

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<v Speaker 8>to be protective and look at their best interests. And

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<v Speaker 8>this doesn't feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right, Well, you're exactly right, and it isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of it, I think is probably just this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of secular worldview I think he has that goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to does individual human life have inherent dignity and value?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll give you an example, because I think there

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<v Speaker 1>are Democrats who, while they're wrong on policy, they do

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<v Speaker 1>about people. One would be Wellington Web, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I disagreed with him on plenty of policy. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that reached a very high level, right, But that is

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat who I think had true empathy. He felt it,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt people, he felt for people. He just had

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<v Speaker 1>some bad policies. But Jared Polis, no, that's one really

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well, thank you Lynn, hear from it.

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<v Speaker 2>But on a brighter note, Ryan's getting married. Are we invited,

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<v Speaker 4>Okays lost in the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Right because I know they're like fifteen feet between, but

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<v Speaker 2>In the mail.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's gonna be an evite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, evite okay, which means everyone but Dan, hey, Lynn,

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, first Spring just feels different, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's coming behind that, which is summer, and

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<v Speaker 1>time of the year. Let's go to our fiery phone lines.

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<v Speaker 1>We're covering a lot of really interesting stuff this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't take the time now to set it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'll get the gist through the calls and then

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear from me. You can text d An

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't miss it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have officials from the Elizabeth School District

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<v Speaker 1>on why is the left so intent on sexualizing the young?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that part of the leftist agent? I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's some obvious answers, but love to get yours. Carol,

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<v Speaker 9>Hey there, Dan. I love your show and I'm a

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<v Speaker 9>longtime listener, But I am curious sometimes when you are

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<v Speaker 9>describing people like Polish and Obama, you seem to like,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know how to explain like the person that

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<v Speaker 9>Polish and Obama, you know, I get along fine with them,

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<v Speaker 9>they're nice people, but then you'll describe their character traits

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<v Speaker 9>as being selfish and I don't know, things like that.

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<v Speaker 9>But it's like you tipso so much, almost to where

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<v Speaker 9>you're overcompensating, and it's like, let's call a spade a spade.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean Obama and Paulis are very self centered that

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm so glad you called because that's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very fair question. But let me start with the Hey, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>other people would seem a pretty bold statement. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fair question, is how can I then say

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<v Speaker 2>While we're together.

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<v Speaker 1>Now with Obama, I've never met him and never talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Polis, who I have had a lot of contact with.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember if I've ever met him in person,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've interviewed him so often on the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>to me, what it is, Carol is and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to do a goodie two shoes thing, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just think the way I was raised and just my

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<v Speaker 1>worldview and everything else. I default toward personally liking people.

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<v Speaker 1>I default toward a position of love. I feel so

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly grateful for all the breaks I've been given that

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<v Speaker 1>I just tend to default to liking people and looking

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<v Speaker 1>for the best in them. So when a guy like

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Polis comes on the show so many times over

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<v Speaker 1>the years and we're able to have these friendly conversations

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<v Speaker 1>where we're disagreeing on big issues, I like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated him coming on and there's just a positivity there.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't stop me from seeing the reality of his

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<v Speaker 1>policies and his lack of empathy. But why can't you

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of enjoy the person at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy whatever good.

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<v Speaker 2>There is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 9>And that is very altruistic, and and I do respect

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<v Speaker 9>you for that. I guess sometimes it seems like there's

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<v Speaker 9>a little bit of over compensation to the side of

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<v Speaker 9>almost erasing the destruction of things, you know, the destruction

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<v Speaker 9>and the chaos that they cause. And may don't have

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<v Speaker 9>to know him personally.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean by overcompensating.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think maybe by just knowing what we know

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<v Speaker 9>about Polis and Obama, whether we've met him in person

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<v Speaker 9>or not. I don't. I think just being more straightforward

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<v Speaker 9>about you know, these people have some serious character flaws.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what I said.

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<v Speaker 9>All I know, but then you kind of you kind

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<v Speaker 9>of like brush it over, like you know, but they're,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, kind of like they're good people like we

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<v Speaker 9>all are. We all make mistakes, but they're actively, actively

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<v Speaker 9>hyper focused on doing things that they know are not

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<v Speaker 9>good for our daid in our country.

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<v Speaker 1>But Carol, I don't think I've ever said is a

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<v Speaker 1>good person or Obama is a good person. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I've ever said that. I've said I enjoy Polis,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've always enjoyed our conversations, etc. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever said he's a good person. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to sit here and say, oh, Jared Poulis is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad person. What I'm saying is he has actively supported

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<v Speaker 1>and advanced evil. And that's a big deal. Now, Can

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<v Speaker 1>I still not everything he's done is evil? Not everything

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<v Speaker 1>he's supported is evil, But he has actively practiced and

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<v Speaker 1>advanced evil things. And let me clarify that practiced evil

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<v Speaker 1>things now that could be read wrong. He has used

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<v Speaker 1>his position as governor to actively support and advance truly

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<v Speaker 1>evil things.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Actively practicing and when you're actively advancing the dismemberment of

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<v Speaker 1>children at nine months moments away from birth, that's actively

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<v Speaker 1>advancing evil. But I can still enjoy him personally and

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<v Speaker 1>whilst speaking publicly and sometimes at great personal cost about

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<v Speaker 1>the evil that he advances.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see the disconnect there. I can see why

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<v Speaker 2>you do. I'm not faulting you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Personally, I don't feel the disconnect because I think our

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<v Speaker 1>marching orders are to love and to love everybody to

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<v Speaker 1>the full extent. We can speak the truth about the

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<v Speaker 1>evil they are doing, but do everything possible to love

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<v Speaker 1>them as individuals.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah. I see your point, and I do think you

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<v Speaker 9>are a very kind hearted person, and maybe I should

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<v Speaker 9>be more that way.

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<v Speaker 3>But I oh no, no, I.

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<v Speaker 9>Guess it just starrishaded me a little bit. When I

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<v Speaker 9>heard them, It's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, come on, yeah yeah, yeah, well all right, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, Colin, if you're thinking it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure a lot of people are.

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<v Speaker 9>But what thank you for talking?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, anytime, appreciate the conversation. Let's go to Jim

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<v Speaker 1>for once. If Jim's the gym, I think he is.

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<v Speaker 1>For once he calls while there's still some time left

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<v Speaker 1>in the show. Because there's a Jim who always calls

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<v Speaker 1>with a minute left and he wants to disagree about something,

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<v Speaker 1>And I say, why don't you call earlier? I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, Jim, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm calling earlier, Dan, just to make it happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, But Jim, you're calling right before a

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<v Speaker 1>break Can you wait till the other side, and can

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<v Speaker 1>you give people a preview of what I'm wrong about?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know what you think of Trump's demands

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<v Speaker 3>of Zelensky.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's a good one. That's a good one, my friend. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for calling on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll get to Jim and many others right after

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<v Speaker 1>the breakout squeeze. In texts, We've got this text about

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<v Speaker 1>the horrible earthquake today, right, and I think China's affected

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<v Speaker 1>by it. Now it's a seven to two and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just very sad. But I don't know that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>talk angle there, Ryan, except have you been in an earthquake?

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan?

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<v Speaker 4>Not really? A little tremor in the Midwest, But those

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<v Speaker 4>aren't the same that like Kelly grew up with in

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<v Speaker 4>Sokel I've been.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a seven to two and then if

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<v Speaker 1>I remember right, I think wasn't Karnada Hills a seven

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<v Speaker 1>to one in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'll have to look that up.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you talking about the one in like the seventies?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, because Amy and I we were engaged when it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>because we were out in California together when it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't in Granada Hills.

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<v Speaker 2>We were down in Newport.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we really got shipped by it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we both ended up doing coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to go up to the NBC studios and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>The worst one I ever had was north Ridge by

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, north Ridge?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that over seven?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's five?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Mean, what are those odds of being in two

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<v Speaker 1>and in both of you? You know, it's weird. In

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<v Speaker 1>both of them. We reported them in Denver, Okay, before

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<v Speaker 1>they were well no, no, no, the north Ridge one,

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<v Speaker 1>we reported it in Denver before it was reported.

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<v Speaker 2>On the LA stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, because the night before I said to Ami, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be an earthquake in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>here's what you do and to protect yourself. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up just before it hit, and the second

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<v Speaker 1>it hit, I called Gus Murkis on the KOA Morning

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<v Speaker 1>Show and Gus on air said, Dan, you've been drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back to sleep because they're checking the wires. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no reported any Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we reported it on KOA before it was

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<v Speaker 1>reported on the LA stations.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Well, you know what scary. I should

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<v Speaker 2>have got some kind of Well the scarier.

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<v Speaker 6>Was we actually had a five point five aftershock about

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<v Speaker 6>an hour after.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, no, because I think by then, Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>I was on site at that collapsed department complex. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and when that after shot. So yeah, we're so fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>in colorad or not to have that. You're on the

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on the Dan Kaplash Jan I'm here. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I wanted to. You know, during the Iraq War,

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<v Speaker 3>I called you up and Donald Trump had just said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>as long as we got our troops in there, let's

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<v Speaker 3>take all the oil. And I called you up. And

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<v Speaker 3>I asked you what you thought about that, and you

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<v Speaker 3>said you thoroughly disagreed with it, as I did. But

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<v Speaker 3>right now I kind of hear Donald Trump saying the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. He's saying, Hey, Zelenski, we gave you all

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<v Speaker 3>this money, one hundred billion dollars. You want our support,

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<v Speaker 3>You got to give us half of your gas and

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<v Speaker 3>oil and all your mineral rights in perpetuity. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's just outrageous. They're fighting for their lives, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're weak, and they do need our help, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>just looking to exploit it to make money off of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a very jaded few, Jim.

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<v Speaker 1>But first of all, please acknowledge that I was right

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<v Speaker 1>about a rock when I said Trump wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So now we move on.

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<v Speaker 1>To Ukraine, and Trump is not saying what you say.

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<v Speaker 1>He's saying, Obviously, Trump wants the mineral rights deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're probably going to sign that in the

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<v Speaker 1>next week or two. I haven't seen Trump anywhere say

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<v Speaker 1>give us half your oil revenues in perpetuity. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend, to the broader point about Ukraine needs

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<v Speaker 1>us Ukraine needs US, and we've been there for Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>But what Ukraine needs one hundred times more than US

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<v Speaker 1>is Ukraine needs Europe to commit and Europe to say

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting boots on the ground to stop Putin from

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<v Speaker 1>taking Ukraine because that's the only way Ukraine wins.

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<v Speaker 2>But Europe won't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the US has been there for Ukraine and Europe

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<v Speaker 1>has not been and that's why Evil Putin is going

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<v Speaker 1>to gain territory.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, I beg to difference with you. Really, we have

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<v Speaker 3>a factual problem here because you know, everything that I've

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<v Speaker 3>read in just the past three days spelled out what

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<v Speaker 3>we are asking from Zolensky. Zelinski complained. He said it's

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<v Speaker 3>the fourth change that we've made, and that they want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a five person board that will be controlled.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be three Americans and two Ukrainians to vote

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<v Speaker 3>on who gets the money and where it goes. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's just an exorbitant the man, the person, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't try and if I could just give you, well,

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<v Speaker 3>please please do No. This is what I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Putin is going into the Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 3>he's really raping that country. I feel like, right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we are looking to rob them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, that's fundamentally unfair about Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>the US. The first part is right, Putin is seeking

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<v Speaker 1>to rape that nation, and he has raped and murdered

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<v Speaker 1>that nation. And it's only because of the incredible bravery

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<v Speaker 1>of the people of Ukraine that that nation still exists

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent it does. But you're being fundamentally unfair

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump and to the US to say we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to rob him. Listen, the only reason that Putin was

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<v Speaker 1>able to rape and murder Ukraine is because of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's weakness. Putin did not go into Ukraine when Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was present, and he went in under Obama, and he

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<v Speaker 1>went and under Biden. So Trump is the one who

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<v Speaker 1>has actually protected Ukraine. Remember, and you know this to

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<v Speaker 1>be true, Jim right, Obama sent him blankets and and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Trump sent him weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>So to blame Trump for what's happening in Ukraine, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is perverse.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not blaming them for starting it, Dan, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>blaming them for what he's doing right now. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>his statement that Ukraine started the war was just so unbelieved.

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<v Speaker 3>It just shocked me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and I think Trump backed off that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was incorrect, and I think Trump backed off that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're gonna, if you're point to, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look at this whole situation and you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be sitting here blaming Trump because of one overstatement

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<v Speaker 1>or overreaction in the moment when Zelensky's attacking Trump publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's fundamentally unfair. What I don't get, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>and we enjoy you on the show. What I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get is I've never heard you call this show to

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<v Speaker 1>criticize Biden for his weakness that led to the rape

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<v Speaker 1>and pillaging of Ukraine. You call and you hammer Trump

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<v Speaker 1>when they didn't invade under Trump and Trump's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>bring peace and save a lot of lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Biden authorized one hundred and eighty billion dollars worth of assistance.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump wants to cut it.
