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<v Speaker 1>I had more time to digest the debate from Tuesday night,

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<v Speaker 1>the debate, the ABC News debate, and I got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of thoughts, a couple of sort of I don't Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I did was I listened through

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<v Speaker 1>all of the stuff about abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened through all of that very carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, for those who don't know, this is my I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is the stuff that I have to do

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<v Speaker 1>to make my show interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate debates.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate political debates, and I really hate State of

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<v Speaker 1>the Union addresses. And I think a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 1>radio gets dominated by those two things. And I've sort

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<v Speaker 1>of made it my personal mission to be different by

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<v Speaker 1>not just obsessively listening to and talking about those things.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was on vacation when the debate happened. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't watch it live. Didn't want to watch it live

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<v Speaker 1>since then though, for Right to Life, and we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>we'll break this down tomorrow morning on Right to Life

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Right to Life Radio at nine am here on

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<v Speaker 1>Power Talk, where my Right to Life Radio producer Colton

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<v Speaker 1>he stitched together. We did this thing where I was

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<v Speaker 1>live reacting to the whole section of the debate that

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<v Speaker 1>talked about abortion, and so I was live reacting. I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard any of it before, and I was reacting

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<v Speaker 1>in real time. And I came away with this, and

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<v Speaker 1>in reading some of the reactions to the debate in

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<v Speaker 1>other quarters, it seems like Trump's performance in the abortion

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<v Speaker 1>section was similar to his performance throughout the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the debate, which is that Trump didn't do didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>a very good job. Now I could tell that the

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<v Speaker 1>moderators of the debate were terrible. I think the problem is, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is what was happening. Trump is so imprecise

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<v Speaker 1>when he talks, and frankly, that's part of his genius.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of why he's attractive. That he isn't highly polished,

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<v Speaker 1>that he isn't consultant driven, that he isn't just an

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<v Speaker 1>empty suit repeating lines that his consultants tell him. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually has a personality, He actually wants to do things

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<v Speaker 1>his way. He has an actual existence in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that Kamala Harris does not. Kamala Harris is an empty suit.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand in an avatar for the Democrat Party in general,

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<v Speaker 1>the same way Joe Biden was.

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<v Speaker 2>She is.

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<v Speaker 1>She clearly had her talking points she stuck with them.

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<v Speaker 1>She stuck the landing for the most part. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything spectacular, but she seemed focused said the things

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<v Speaker 1>she was supposed to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas Trump is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying Trump was winging it, but a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit was winging it. He has certain themes he likes

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to, but he also isn't super fluid

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<v Speaker 1>with them. He doesn't have this stuff boom boom boom

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<v Speaker 1>boom ready to go on the top of his head.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has certain kind of personal obsessions that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>really true and that maybe not even true, but just

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<v Speaker 1>aren't really effective. So, like listening to the abortion section,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has certain things he says that are true but imprecise,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the media moderators were able to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he was lying. Trump was talking about how Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>and Democrats support abortion policies for allowing abortion of children

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<v Speaker 1>after they are born, basically allowing children to be and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump used the word executed after they are born. The

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<v Speaker 1>media moderators jumped in for Harris to say, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>state where that's legal. Now, the problem is that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is imprecise. Trump says they're allowing them to execute babies

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<v Speaker 1>after they are born execute, which implies active killing. What

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<v Speaker 1>is actually happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Governors like Tim Walls in Minnesota have passed legislation to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate any kind of protection for children who are born

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<v Speaker 1>alive after surviving an abortion, basically to say that children

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<v Speaker 1>who are born alive following an abortion have to receive

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind of care as a child who is

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<v Speaker 1>wanted would receive that basically, children who survive an abortion attempt,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a decent number of those per year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not I don't think it's even one hundred, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the tens every year, that those children should be

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<v Speaker 1>given the same kind of resuscitative treatment you would give

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<v Speaker 1>a wanted child. Democrats have stripped away language of that

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<v Speaker 1>sort from state law after state law after state law,

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<v Speaker 1>including in Tim Walls's Minnesota. Not just in the abortion context,

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<v Speaker 1>though this also tends to happen in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>nick us, where a child is born with some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of disability and the docs and or the parents just decide, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to resuscitate this baby, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>might be not a life debilitating, not a life life

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<v Speaker 1>knowing some families who have children with spinea bifadae, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just find that revolting where basically they will just

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<v Speaker 1>the baby. That's what Trump is meaning when he says

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<v Speaker 1>they'll execute the baby after they're born. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>brings up the quote from Governor Ralph Northam. Ralph Northam

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty eighteen, who was both a doctor and the

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<v Speaker 1>governor of Virginia, said, you know, after a baby is born,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if the baby survives an abortion attempt, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the parents and the doctor would have a conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>then would decide what to do. Basically Governor Northam saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we would decide if they don't want the baby, we

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<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't take care of the baby. And that quote

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<v Speaker 1>from Governor Northam a quote he said a week before

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<v Speaker 1>revealing that for his medical school yearbook he either dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up as a clansman or in blackface, we weren't sure which.

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<v Speaker 1>Northam basically revealed this ethic on the part of the

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<v Speaker 1>pro choice of pro choice people within medicine of just

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<v Speaker 1>saying we're just gonna let a child die rather than

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<v Speaker 1>provide resuscitative care when the child isn't wanted. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. Trump's trying to say that, but he can't.

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<v Speaker 1>He lacks the precision, he lacks the knowledge, he lacks

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<v Speaker 1>the debate chops to actually communicate that effectively, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wanders off into stuff that unless you know about the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>like I do, you have no idea what the heck

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about. When he starts talking about the governor

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<v Speaker 1>of Virginia said we would set the baby aside. I

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<v Speaker 1>know what that story is. I know the context of

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<v Speaker 1>that story, but I'm a pro life activist. That's literally

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<v Speaker 1>my job. I knew about that story in twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>Most Americans have no idea what Trump's talking about. When

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<v Speaker 1>they hear Trump saying they'll execute the baby after they're born.

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<v Speaker 1>The governor of Virginia said so, and then the ABC

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<v Speaker 1>newsperson comes in, there's no state where that's legal. Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Harris by bah bah bah bah. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to say to that. There's this lack of precision

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<v Speaker 1>and this ability to sort of meander off into these

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<v Speaker 1>things that he likes to say, but that just don't work.

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<v Speaker 1>That just don't land. Talking about the whole Haitian immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>eating cats and dogs thing was a distraction. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that revs upright wingers on Twitter, but is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of seems bizarre to the average listener and turns into

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<v Speaker 1>this bizarre debate on whether or not Haitian immigrants in

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio are or are not eating cats and dogs, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a distraction from the main points about immigration. How

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration allowed immigration in this incredibly reckless, extreme

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<v Speaker 2>Who we have no idea of their security threats or not.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like it was the same way on

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<v Speaker 1>issue after issue after issue, and where Trump was getting

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<v Speaker 1>distracted by things that he cares about that nobody gives

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<v Speaker 1>a darn about.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you win the twenty twenty election or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine percent of America, ninety percent whatever, are not ish

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<v Speaker 1>interested in relitigating.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty twenty election. They're just not. You might be

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<v Speaker 2>hung up on it. Trump is clearly still hung up

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Most Americans, especially the swing voters he needs to get,

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear about the twenty twenty election anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to hear about the twenty twenty election anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to hear some pickyun little debate about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not the sizes of Trump's crowds at his

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<v Speaker 1>rallies that he got all defensive about.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody gives a darn. It's irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump would have done a better job if the whole

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<v Speaker 1>debate instead of answering a single question or responding to anything,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris said.

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<v Speaker 2>Just had a list, Just had a list.

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<v Speaker 1>Ground beef at the end of my you know, ground

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<v Speaker 1>beef at the end of my administration was on average

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<v Speaker 1>throughout America two dollars and thirty nine cents a pound. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the average cost of ground beef is four dollars a pound.

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<v Speaker 1>A gallon of gas was da da da per gallon.

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<v Speaker 1>Today it's da dada. The average cost of a home

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<v Speaker 1>when I left office was da da da one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>Then average number of border crossings on the day that

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<v Speaker 1>Today it's aboutda da da da per month. There were

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<v Speaker 1>no wars going. You know, the United States was tangentially

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<v Speaker 1>is tangentially involved into on and on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>He could just hit on those things, and he he

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<v Speaker 1>just gets distracted from these things. And that's always been

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<v Speaker 1>the tale of Trump, I guess, is him getting distracted,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing himself to be distracted, allowing himself to draw the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation into something else instead of doing a stump speech

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<v Speaker 1>where he just sticks to his message. He had libs,

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<v Speaker 1>He gets bored, he says stuff that interests himself rather

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<v Speaker 1>than staying on message. Whereas Kamala Harris, Like there were

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<v Speaker 1>some Republicans who were mocking Harris because she gave the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same stump speech five or six times. She didn't deviate, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't deviate at all for five six straight stump speeches.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what a robot. Yeah, that's called campaigning. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>it's called a stump speech.

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<v Speaker 1>You have ones, you have ah stump speech, maybe two

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<v Speaker 1>stump speeches, and you hit him and you hit them,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hit him and you hit him and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't go off message. Why because when you go off message,

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<v Speaker 1>it has the opportunity to screw you up. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm just afraid that we're headed for a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty repeat where the media is gonna do so much

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<v Speaker 1>work for Harris, it'll be really close. If there are

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<v Speaker 1>shenanigans to happen, then shenanigans will happen, and we're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lose narrowly again because Trump won't deviate from how

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<v Speaker 1>he does what he does. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>point is, I don't know that he has the capacity

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<v Speaker 1>or the desire for issues that don't really interest him

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<v Speaker 1>but which are important still, because I have seen him

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about trade, stuff about certain kinds of economic questions,

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<v Speaker 1>like there are things where he can really be engaging

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<v Speaker 1>and really get into it. But for stuff that he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly doesn't care as much about, like the abortion issue,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very imprecise, and it allows the media to blast him.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes him look bad and sound bad. So I

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<v Speaker 1>He's also lost a presidential election, though, and we saw

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<v Speaker 1>how he lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't lose it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, who is occupying sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, he lost it, Get over it. If he's

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<v Speaker 1>Win, like clearly, like Democrats really didn't want him to

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like all right, anyway, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like were headed towards another twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>to do something to switch them out.

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<v Speaker 2>So they throw them to the wolves.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd throw him out for a live debate, and Biden

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<v Speaker 1>bombs allows them to switch out for Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there when we return.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about whether they're they, Whether Trump

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<v Speaker 1>should agree to another debate, and the double haters. That

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<v Speaker 1>is next on the John Girardi Show. Should Trump agree

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<v Speaker 1>to another debate? Yeah, he should. And and this is

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<v Speaker 1>this weird kind of Trump pride thing playing in. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>clearly did not win the debate. He clearly didn't Winning

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<v Speaker 1>or losing a debate is a reflection of how people reacted.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reaction, for the most part is that from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people on the right and everyone on

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<v Speaker 1>the left, is that Trump didn't do very well. I

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<v Speaker 1>really just don't think he did that well. Now was

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<v Speaker 1>it a crushing Harris win?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Will anyone remember it on November fifth? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not. And I guess I'm sort of two minds

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<v Speaker 1>whether Trump should agree to another debate. Harris wants another

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<v Speaker 1>debate and Trump doesn't. Now, my initial thought was Trump

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<v Speaker 1>do another debate and do better so that he can

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<v Speaker 2>Another leg up.

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<v Speaker 1>And my thought was that Harris should, you know, back

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<v Speaker 1>out while she has the chance, take her victory and walk.

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of thought, you know, Harris should do the

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<v Speaker 1>thing like George Costanza did, where there was a Seinfeld

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<v Speaker 1>episode where George Costanza realized he had, like, if he

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<v Speaker 1>had one good funny thing to say during a meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>he should just immediately leave the meeting, leave the meeting

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<v Speaker 1>on a high note. So I sort of thought that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Harris should do, but that instead we have the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite reaction, because I think what Harris and the Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>team have realized is the following Trump's not Trump's going

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<v Speaker 2>For a debate.

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<v Speaker 1>And Trump was able to win the debate against Biden

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<v Speaker 1>because Biden was just completely senile and everyone could see it. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't because Trump was some devastatingly great debater. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was kind of locked in and focused and did

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<v Speaker 1>a decent job during the CNN debate. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the CNN moderators were much more fair than the ABC moderators.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's Biden lost that debate far more

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<v Speaker 1>than Trump won it. It was it wasn't like Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was giving some masterclass. I think the Harris people realize

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<v Speaker 1>if they can just keep getting performances like that, Harris

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<v Speaker 1>is going to win. Because Harris is basically taking no risks.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just staying on message. She's not getting tripped up,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not getting confused, she's just answering. She's just giving

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<v Speaker 1>her scripted answers. She's not going to get challenged on anything.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, she's just going to give her scripted answers,

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<v Speaker 1>and that actually more debates might help her and hurt Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess my initial reaction was Trump is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't he want a debate again? He needs to

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<v Speaker 1>debate again so that he can do better this time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't Now I'm wondering if that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably Trump and his team privately understand that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump didn't do very well, and they probably understand, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if he goes out and does that again, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be good. So they're gonna say, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna stop. And we're two months out from

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<v Speaker 1>the elect well a little less than two months out

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<v Speaker 1>from the election, maybe seven weeks. Passage of time will

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<v Speaker 1>allow people to forget much of how that debate performance went,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll just you know, Trump seems to do better

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<v Speaker 1>in the in between stages where we're having rallies having rallies,

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<v Speaker 1>having rallies, and we're building, building, building, So maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we got to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just focus on that. And I guess here's my fear.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was Biden versus Trump, the thing that people

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about were the double haters. Basically, this contingent

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<v Speaker 1>of voters who didn't like either choice, really disliked both choices.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of the distaste was, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we voting between a seventy eight year old and an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two year old? Is there anybody in America younger

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<v Speaker 1>that we could vote for here? Is this really the

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<v Speaker 1>two best people we could have? There was distaste, dissatisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>with both, and especially after the Biden debate performance, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a bunch of Democrats who were like, forget this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is ridiculous. We're not voting for an eighty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old man who's senile. And I just think that

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<v Speaker 1>Harris coming back in and getting the kind of media

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<v Speaker 1>facelift that she's gotten, where you know, two months ago

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<v Speaker 1>she was a stumbling, bumbling idiot vice president who was

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<v Speaker 1>a radical leftist, to now she's getting this new appearance

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<v Speaker 1>as well. You know, she didn't really believe all that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff she talked about in twenty twenty when she ran,

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<v Speaker 1>she was just a modern Democrat. I think unfortunately, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's clear that there were a bunch of Democrats who

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<v Speaker 1>were like, forget this Biden thing. They've all come back home,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there's a crowd of the double haters

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<v Speaker 1>where like, Okay, finally someone who isn't Trump or Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring the fact that she's the horrible liberals, that she's

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<v Speaker 1>got all these crazy, whacked out beliefs. She's terrible on

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's terrible on this, terrible on that, and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the way the media has been able to push

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<v Speaker 1>walk this fine line of basically Biden's not gonna subzero

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<v Speaker 1>her campaign because she keeps saying nice things about Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically the media has been able to try to

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<v Speaker 1>present her as not the establishment candidate, like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't blame her for anything Biden does. She's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great vice presidents ever. But you know, she's

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<v Speaker 1>not responsible for any of Biden's faults. She's a new

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<v Speaker 1>fresh face. We can't go back. We can't go back,

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<v Speaker 1>is what she keeps saying about Trump. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're the If we have problems, now they're

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<v Speaker 1>your problems. You're in charge now. So I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>my fear is that we had that crowd of the

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<v Speaker 1>double haters, and I think in a Biden versus Trump scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have gravitated towards Trump. And now I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>so sure. I think now in a Biden versus Harris setting,

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<v Speaker 1>they might gravitate to Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, when we return, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To do a kind of review of Lawfair, the cases

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<v Speaker 1>against Donald Trump, where they kind of stand and how

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<v Speaker 1>that was all just a massive thud.

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<v Speaker 2>Next on the John Girardi.

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<v Speaker 1>Show, the Democrats that sort of set up the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four campaign around Lawfair when they thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden. What they they're sort of their plan was,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we're going to coordinate this. We'll have the

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<v Speaker 1>DOJ file charges against Donald Trump. Basically will will indict

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump during the Republican primary process. That'll take Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>off so much that they'll all want to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>Trump because we want Trump as the candidate. We think

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump is the most beatable candidate. We think that

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<v Speaker 1>he has a certain ceiling that he can't get over.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never going to get more than about forty six

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<v Speaker 1>or forty seven percent of the vote. So we will

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<v Speaker 2>Starting in kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Winter of twenty twenty two, and then all during sort

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<v Speaker 1>trials and stuff will hopefully start to get to trials.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can get some convictions, maybe we can, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and we'll have all these trials going on against

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, and legal action after legal action after legal

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<v Speaker 1>action after legal action will take place, and there will

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<v Speaker 1>be this constant stream of negative news about Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the course of twenty twenty four, leading to his

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<v Speaker 1>numbers tanking and Joe Biden winning. The campaign that was

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<v Speaker 1>the place plan did not really go according to plan, however,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's review the four cases, the the four indictments

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<v Speaker 1>that were made against Trump. Georgia Fanny Willis, the Fulton

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<v Speaker 1>centered around a Rico charge, which never made any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Rico is the kind of body of criminal law that

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<v Speaker 1>was designed to take down organized crime, designed to take

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<v Speaker 1>and you can charge people for You can charge leadership

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the crimes of the enterprise. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of novel, sort of federal statute. Actually, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my professors at Notre Dame Law School, Robert Blake,

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<v Speaker 1>got to learn a little bit about it from him.

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<v Speaker 1>So charging Trump with RICO made no sense because the

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy to steal the election in Georgia, to swap out

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia's electors for Joe Biden in favor of new electors

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<v Speaker 1>for Donald Trump, it wasn't an ongoing conspiracy. After the

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<v Speaker 1>election was done, the conspiracy sort of ended. So RICO

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<v Speaker 1>was never a great tool for doing this, and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing fell apart. The whole thing is just hanging

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<v Speaker 1>on by a thread right now. Why Well, because Fanny

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<v Speaker 1>Willis put her boyfriend in charge of it, some guy

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<v Speaker 1>she was having an affair with a relationship with. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these accusations of impropriety that she was appointed

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<v Speaker 1>him to this to sort of pay him off, and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, blah blah. So that whole thing has

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<v Speaker 1>not proceeded at all. The no trial has taken place,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing has hung up procedurally because of Willis's

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<v Speaker 1>own misconduct. The initial judge said, well, you either need

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<v Speaker 1>him to get off the case or you to get

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<v Speaker 1>off the case. That decisions being appealed about the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>people are saying this whole thing should be tossed out.

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<v Speaker 1>There are new developments in the case that basically Judge

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<v Speaker 1>and her special prosecutor slash paramore Nathan Wade. This included

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<v Speaker 1>case is in shambles. You've got the Trump classified documents

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<v Speaker 1>case in Florida. This was the one thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I try to be fair.

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of classified documents that he wasn't suppose to have,

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<v Speaker 1>or or documents with really sensitive national security info in them.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept them in his house in Florida when he

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have done that. Now it's the same damn thing

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<v Speaker 1>that Hillary Clinton was doing, that Joe Biden was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the one person getting prosecuted for it

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<v Speaker 1>is Donald Trump. Yeah, tell me how that's fair. But

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<v Speaker 1>that case is completely dismissed. Why well, the Biden, the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden DOJ team was just too proud to change anything. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General Merrick Garland had appointed a special council

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<v Speaker 1>to oversee the January sixth stuff, and the same special

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<v Speaker 1>council was made to oversee the Florida documents case Jack Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jack Smith had been.

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<v Speaker 1>A war crimes prosecutor in the Hague, He's brought in

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<v Speaker 1>to be a special prosecutor. The special prosecutor system is

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<v Speaker 1>basically this setup where if the Department of Justice feels

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<v Speaker 1>like they have a conflict, an internal conflict of interest,

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<v Speaker 1>where they can't fairly prosecute something because it involves someone

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<v Speaker 1>directly within the chain of command, like if the Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General did something wrong or something, then in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>the Deputy Attorney, the second in command to the Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 1>would appoint a special counsel, someone from the outside to

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<v Speaker 1>come in with prosecutorial authority, like a US attorney would

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring charges in whatever jurisdiction he wants, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>federal jurisdiction he or she wants to investigate and bring charges.

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<v Speaker 1>So they bring in Jack Smith, even though there's no

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<v Speaker 1>internal conflict. There's no reason the Biden Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 1>would have any conflict of interest going after Trump, of

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<v Speaker 1>all people, it might have a conflict going after Biden

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<v Speaker 1>because Biden's in the changing command, but not after Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, one of the challenges that the Trump people brought

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<v Speaker 1>was that, hey, we're not sure about the constitutionality of

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<v Speaker 1>this special prosecutor setup that the federal government has. We

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<v Speaker 1>think that this isn't constitutional. That this person has executive authority,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is not an officer of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>who has received Senate approval. The other US attorneys who

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute federal crimes, they all receive Senate approval. They're appointed

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<v Speaker 1>by the President, and they receive approval from the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>Advice and Consent.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Smith never got that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like he's an existing US attorney who's received

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<v Speaker 1>Senate confirmation.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's from the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>He's exercising executive authority, but he's not an officer of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. This violates the Constitution. Now, that was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of considered by the Supreme Court in Jack Smith's

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<v Speaker 1>other case. But the federal judge in South Florida, Eilean Cannon,

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<v Speaker 1>really examined it, wrote an extensive, like ninety page really

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<v Speaker 1>impressive ninety something Paige opinion about it and concluded, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Jack Smith has the kind of constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>authority needed to prosecute this case. So the whole Florida

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<v Speaker 1>Documents case was dismissed by Judge Cannon. Now that decision

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<v Speaker 1>is being appealed. And here's the thing is that the

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<v Speaker 1>DOJ could have completely avoided this. All they would have

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<v Speaker 1>needed to do is amend things, and Cannon gave them

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity. They could have just amended things to say, Okay, look,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Smith is doing this under the auspices of the US.

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney for South Florida, who you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the US Attorney for South Florida who's doing

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecuting, and he's brought in this attorney, Jacksmith, to

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<v Speaker 1>do this work for him, Like they could have done

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<v Speaker 1>that and would have solved the whole thing, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Smith and the DOJ people were like, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>too proud to do that and say, no, absolutely not,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not bending to this whatsoever. Well, get your whole

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<v Speaker 1>case dismissed. So the Florida things kind of hung up.

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<v Speaker 1>The charges have all been dismissed. It's being appealed, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's all gone the January sixth stuff. So the January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth case got massively curtailed by the Supreme Court's decision

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<v Speaker 1>on presidential immunity. This is basically the idea, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of separation of power's idea that if the president is

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<v Speaker 1>able to function, he needs to be able to function

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that his conversations with other executive officials, the performance

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<v Speaker 1>of his official duties is not going to be subject

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<v Speaker 1>to criminal prosecution criminal scrutiny. Later on, So the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court issued this decision on presidential immunity that was pretty sweeping,

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<v Speaker 1>where they said presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for

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<v Speaker 1>clearly official acts, stuff that's within their core competency as president,

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<v Speaker 1>and that evidence of their official acts cannot be brought

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<v Speaker 1>in to be used against them in other criminal settings.

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<v Speaker 1>This winds up eliminating a lot of Jack Smith's case

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<v Speaker 1>against Trump relating to January sixth stuff, because some of

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<v Speaker 1>it had to do with conversations Trump was having with

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<v Speaker 1>his attorney general, some of the conversations Trump was having

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<v Speaker 1>with this executive official, that executive official, his conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>the attorney general asking him to investigate voter fraud, this, this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that was stuff that was part of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's official conduct, and not all of the charges against Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>there needs to be a sussing out of which of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's charges have anything to do with official acts versus.

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<v Speaker 2>Not official acts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Jack Smith sort of brought a renewed indictment to

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<v Speaker 1>try to bring his original indictment down into conformity with

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court's decision. But that whole thing is hung up.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't it doesn't that that's not going anywhere, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not before the election. Then there's the Manhattan case by

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin Bragg. A jury found Trump guilty, but Bragg had

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<v Speaker 1>brought in a whole bunch of evidence of Trump's conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with people during his administration that that that might have

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<v Speaker 1>been evidence of official presidential conduct, evidence that at the

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<v Speaker 1>time Bragg and his attorneys found to be quote devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>They got a conviction in part with that devastating evidence

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<v Speaker 1>being brought in. So while Trump was found guilty, he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't technically been convicted. You're only convicted of a crime

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<v Speaker 1>when a judge gives you the sentence. Okay, he might

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<v Speaker 1>have been found guilty by the jury, but the judge

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<v Speaker 1>may throw out the jury maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>If the judge rules that.

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<v Speaker 1>If the judge determines maybe for some reason the jury

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<v Speaker 1>acted improperly or decided the case improperly in some way,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge has some authority in some cases to revoke

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<v Speaker 1>that and the person would not be convicted. So Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is not yet convicted in the New York thing. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been found guilty by the jury, but the sentence has

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<v Speaker 1>not been given to him, and it looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>sentence is now going to be pushed after the election

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<v Speaker 1>because why well, they're going to need to decide this

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<v Speaker 1>immunity thing and whether the evidence that was used against

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to get the guilty verdict in Manhattan for again

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<v Speaker 1>alleged falsification of business documents classifying the payments that were

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately given to Stormy Daniels as attorney's fees rather than

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<v Speaker 1>loan repayment to Michael Cohen.

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<v Speaker 2>This grievous crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Which again paying off porn star with a non disclosure

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<v Speaker 1>agreement to not talk about your affair. Very unsavory, very bad,

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<v Speaker 1>very sleazy, not a crime, not a violation of federal

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<v Speaker 1>election law. Paying back your attorney to do that also

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<v Speaker 1>not a crime. Some argument that that his business records

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<v Speaker 1>were falsified. Anyway, the sentencing for that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>pushed after the election. So it's very odd. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we return, I want to talk about how basically all

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<v Speaker 1>of the law stuff against Trump is now completely ignored

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<v Speaker 1>and instead we're just going off of Instead, Democrats have

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<v Speaker 1>turned to a far more effective tactic.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is Weird. Next on the John Girardi Show.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that surprised me about the election,

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<v Speaker 1>I just win the last segment through the law fair

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<v Speaker 1>campaign against Trump, all the different cases that the idea was,

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<v Speaker 1>let's indict Trump during the Republican primary process in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Trump will therefore win the primary because Republican

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<v Speaker 1>base voters will be so mad that he's being indicted,

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<v Speaker 1>that they'll all vote for him. They'll say, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to rally around our guy. It's precisely what happened. Desant

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<v Speaker 1>has never stood a chance. Then we'll have all of

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<v Speaker 1>our trials for Trump all through the course of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four and it'll just be a never ending stream

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump had news. And that's not really what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>The trials against Trump have had very little effect on

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<v Speaker 1>the election.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth has had much of any effect on the election.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's the thing that actually worked for the

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<v Speaker 1>Harris people that actually saw their numbers swinging. Just calling

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<v Speaker 1>Trump weird. That was twenty times more effective. Seemingly, just

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<v Speaker 1>calling Trump weird led to her poll numbers swinging more

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<v Speaker 1>than all of Joe Biden's ranting about January sixth and

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<v Speaker 1>threat to democracy stuff. That's all they needed to do,

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<v Speaker 1>just say Trump is weird, because I think most Americans

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I just don't think Trump's really a threat

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<v Speaker 1>to democracy. But you know what, a lot of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>will agree he's weird. And I guess the more we

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<v Speaker 1>keep talking about whether or not Haitian immigrants are in

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<v Speaker 1>fact eating cats and dogs, in Ohio rather than we

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<v Speaker 1>let in tens of millions of people without appropriately vetting them.

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<v Speaker 1>What a colossal disaster the last administration. This administration's immigration

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<v Speaker 1>policies have been. The more we keep focusing on the weird,

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<v Speaker 1>the more that Trump is weird is going to win

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<v Speaker 1>the day.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll do it for John Girardies show, See you next

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<v Speaker 2>time on Power Talk
