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Speaker 1: All right, off of a weekend that has seen Sebastian

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Fundora dismantle Keith Thurman. Although Keith disagreed with the fight

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being stopped, he might be the only one. We'll talk

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about the TKO win for the Towering Inferno and the

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BBC on Prime pay per view. Also, Moses Etama continues

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his rise. The British heavyweight phenom scores a tremendous knockout

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in the Queensbury main event earlier our time on Saturday

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review Us, that helps. Let's get into it. How are things?

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As we saw a couple of very impressive nights for

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Fondora and Etama, I'm saying that how are things?

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Speaker 2: Things are good? And I don't think you know, you

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have to be a boxing savant to say that. There

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were two very impressive performances by both those guys, as

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well as frankly, some of the guys on the undercart

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of the Keith Thurman against Sebastian Fundora fight that we

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can get into. I'm looking forward to talking about that,

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like Jos Teas and join Lee Hernandez and and those guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we'll get into that in a moment

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to the main event, the PBC on Prime main event.

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We knew going in. You and I talked about it

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on a preview. How does Keith Thurman try to solve

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or solve the reach disadvantage and get inside and try

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to make something happen happened ultimately here he could not

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solve it and he was being pepper. There's a good

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boxing word with big time shots. As this fight unfolded

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and then was stopped in the sixth round, which we

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will get to by Thomas Taylor. Clearly when the fight

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became the fifth round. In the sixth round, Keith's eyes swelling,

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forehead red from shots being landed. Fondora in complete control.

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I thought, what did you think? And then we'll get

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into the stoppage as Fondora retains the WBC Junior middlewaight title.

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Speaker 2: Well TJ. The fact that Thurman had problems getting on

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the inside against a guy who was nine inches taller

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than him with an eleven inch reach advantage or go

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with that is not a surprise because every single opponent

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that Sebastian Vnor has ever faced his entire career has

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faced similar disparities. I mean, you know, he's never going

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to encounter in the history of boxing. Even if you

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could go back to the beginning of the sport and

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bring any junior middleweight you so desired or less frankly

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into the fold of the current weight class, he will

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be bigger and longer than every single other fighter in

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the history of boxing in those weight classes, There's never

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been a junior middleweight that big before. And if you

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go further down the scale, same sort of situation. So

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Keith was not exactly a unique situation in a unique situation.

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The problem was most of the fighters at Sebastian medor

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has face haven't been able to solve that either. You know,

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Brian and Doz is the only one with the you know,

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the come from behind, you know miracle one punch, you know,

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devastation that knocked him out. There was a draw earlier

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in his career also, but still, you know, everybody faces

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that problem. But in terms of Keith, you put that

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physical situation in terms of the disparity to the side.

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You're also looking at a guy that's thirty seven and

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we all questioned about what he's got left. He's been

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off for a long time, just one fight in the

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past one year, but before that a three year layoff

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our injury related fighting. Now in a weight class, it's

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you know, new for him. He fought a bunch of

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druimidleweight fights at the beginning of his career, but as

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that was one year ago, where he was fighting a

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lesser type of opponent. So you put on the combination

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of the of the different weight class, the size of Sparaday.

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can talk about like that. The fact that he lost

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the fight's not a surprise, it's just he had no answer.

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some of this too, the deficits that Thurman has at

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this stage of his career, both in terms of his layoffs,

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injuries and the physical things. I mentioned about the height

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also has to go to Sebastian Mondora. What I see

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in Fondora is a guy now that's really before. I

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always sort of thought about Fondora as like you see

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like this amazing young thoroughbred that you think might be

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a triple crown candidate. But when they're born, they can

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barely walk. They're all kind of ganging on their legs

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and they're all discom populated, and it takes some time

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horse racing. I love the analogy. Keep going, hold on.

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Speaker 2: I grew up twenty minutes from Saratoga Springs. I worked

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling you on the analogy.

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you could hear the bugle at post time. That's what

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grow up to be these sleek, beautiful thoroughbreds that become

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extraordinarily athletic as they're running in these races. And so

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Thurman again his stuff besides the point. But Fondora has

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kind of gone from that like young thoroughbred to now

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a developed, sleek, you know, tip top prime athlete. He's

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twenty eight years old, he's in his physical prime, he's

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got a lot of good experience, he's got obviously a

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good team behind him, and he's just running through guys

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right now. Now. Keith Thurman uh aged I was standing still,

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a smart fighter, still looked like he was in good condition,

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said he had no particular injuries this time around, so

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there was no excuses from that point of view, and

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he just ripped them up, landed, you know, big shots

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on the inside, landed good jabs on the outside. Now,

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thing about Fundora is he was able to use both

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both of those types of things. Come inside and work

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them over, go to the body a little bit or

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sticking sticking with the jab on the outside, and and

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land the heavy shots. That's one of the reasons why

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his his face was so smashed up. They were not headbutts,

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they were clean punches on the eyes. You know, he

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looked like he'd been through a fucking like a like

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a you know, I don't know, like a blender. By

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the time the.

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Speaker 1: Fight, like you like your man, Aaron Judge had been

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hitting him with a bat exactly. And this was and

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by the way, this was not in the tenth, eleventh,

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or twelfth round. This was only in the fourth and

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fifth round. It began to look that way.

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Speaker 2: He just shredded him up. I mean, that's the bible.

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Speaker 1: And and and so now we get to the crux

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of Thomas Taylor, veteran championship referee. You and I agree,

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probably the best referee in boxing. I think we both

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agree on that. I agree with that he's taking a

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long look at Thurman after the fifth round and had

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the doctor I believe next to him. The female that

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was next to him, I believe was the doctor standing

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there looking at Thurman. They let the fight go to

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the sixth. There was not a dramatic, big barrage punches,

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but once again a fundora teed off two or three

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times and hit Thurman, wobbled him around the ring once

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and then and then Taylor says, that's it. I don't

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have to see him, and he immediately objected go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Before the stoppage actually occurred, you can audibly hear on

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the pay per view if you're watching on the on

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the broadcast on Prime Video, you can hear Thomas Taylor

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shout at thurmant show me something, Keith, and he didn't respond.

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but he didn't show him anything for several seconds. Look,

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there's no argument about this stoppage. It's what it is.

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I listen. I feel Keith. He's a proud guy. You know,

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he tried hard. He was disappointed, I'm sure with his

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performance and his inability to really do more much of

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anything against Fondora. But there is no other person on

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the planet that thought that's a bad stop. She was

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a fucking abuse. Let's not make this a controversy. Right

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to national Mendora went in there, the bigger, longer, stronger, younger,

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quicker dude beat the shit out of Keith Thurman for

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five plus rounds, and Thomas Taylor, who was an elite referee,

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like we said, probably the best in the whole sport

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in the world right now, and pulled the plug appropriately.

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So that's all there is to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Thomas Taylor is there for two reasons, as

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we know, to enforce the rules and to protect a fighter,

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and a lot of times protect a fighter even from

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himself or his corner if they won't protect him if

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he's taking a beating. And there was no Haymaker coming.

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I know, Keith said some things in the ring and

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then he said some things in the press conference afterwards

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about how I was just getting ready to do this.

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He wasn't ready to do any I was getting ready

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to do that. I was four minutes he said this.

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I was four minutes away from this thing really cooking

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and I think he was implying being able to land

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the big right hand like Brian Mendoza did, but there

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was zero indication that that was going to happen. While

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his face is literally reddening and swelling to the point

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that any reasonable person's going, you're gonna get seriously hurt.

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Speaker 2: Here, by the way, he threw a couple of those big,

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wild right hands over the top, which is the only

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thing he could do, and nothing landed. He lives like

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lurching forward looking for like the wild miracle home run punch,

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and it never happened. Meanwhile, you know Thurman's throwing you know,

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straight left hands and count doors in. I mean, Fondora's

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throwing those shots. He's buckling Thurman's legs. He just had

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absolutely no answer for anything, like I said, on the

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inside or the outside and offensively, Thurman just was not

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able to do anything. I mean, if he had had

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a moment even where he could get in, maybe Taylor

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has a different thought about it, like, Okay, he's showing

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me something. But there is zero evidence from the opening

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bell to the moment the fight was stopped that Keith

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was doing, had done, or could in the future do

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anything of remote consequence on offense. Meanwhile, he's getting the

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stuffing not out of him. He's like you said, his

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face is torn up. Enough is enough, man?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So I will say a couple of things. One

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I have I've liked Keith Thurman for the better part

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of fifteen years, being around him and covering him here

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in the Tampa Bay area. I mean, let's just be

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real here on the on the pod. He got this

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opportunity because he's aligned with PBC, not because he had

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done a tremendous job as a contender of earning this,

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he had basically fought. This is the truth a club

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level fighter in Australia a year ago, trying to make

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the Tim Zoo fight that never happened, and at thirty seven,

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as inactive and infrequently as he's fought, I think this

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is pretty much the end here. I don't know what

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else he done. Pretty much, it's just the truth. It's

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the truth that he got it because of his alignment

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with PBC. I mean, boxing is often about who you

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know and where you're aligned. That's not a surprise. And

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he does have a big name, and he is a

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former world champion. He was for a period of time

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one of the very best fighters in the world. So

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that point is there's nothing in ring that really would

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have indicated he really deserves this. And now we have

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the proof in this fight that at thirty seven, sure

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far two inactive. I mean you just saw it, but.

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you know, he he Fondora was in an optional period

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of time to make him in to make a non

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mandatory defense. He just couldn't do anything. And by the way,

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I was looking at the copy box dots on the fight.

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So in five plus rounds you have Fandora landing ninety

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six out of three point fifty one. A lot of

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in five plus rounds and twenty eight punches, so I'm

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not sure what was going to happen in four more

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minutes that something was gonna find the offense.

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Speaker 1: Ninety six to twenty eight on shots landed, and most

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of those were power shots by the way that Fundor

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was landing. Okay, So that leads us to the other

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side of this, which is he's the guy at one

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fifty four. You can talk about what's coming up with

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Xander Ziaz and Innis. But right now, Fondora to me

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is the guy in this division. I'm still curious, and

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we keep talking about how long can he continue to

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make one to fifty four. You mentioned twenty eight years

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of age. It's remarkable that he's been able to make

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that weight to not up the middleweight.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think you've been saying that for

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the last few fights that we've talked about fundor stop

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talking about that he was under the limit. I just

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talked to his promoter, Samson Lukowitz earlier on Sunday, and

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that came up in the conversation. The guy makes the

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weight with no issues. He just it's I mean, maybe

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at some point that may become an issue, fine, but

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right now it is literally not a problem. It's a

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problem for everybody else that he can make the weight,

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not a problem for him that he can't make the weight.

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So he will continue to defend the title at one

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hundred fifty four pounds. I assume if there was some

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massive opportunity at one sixty, they might take that shot.

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But one sixties, we've talked about millions of times, is terrible.

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And so you look at the weight class, who's around him.

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Xandersiis is the unified title holder with the WBO and

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the WBA belt. They are in the finality of trying

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to get a fight for June made with Jeron Boutennis

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Virgil Ortis. We were hoping to see him fight n this.

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He's on ice right now because of his legal situation

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with Golden Boys, so they're gonna go to arbitration. We'll

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see how that plays out. Josh Kelly is the IBF

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title holder, and while I'm all for unification fights, there's

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probably zero public demand for that fight. I don't think

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it's a fight that Josh Kelly has a prayer and

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hell to win number one or two. I think Matt

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Room Boxing and his team they're like, we're gonna go

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take a home fight until we can do make some

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money and put a good crowd in there. In other words,

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I'm not saying narinate it for two years, but there's

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no call for that fight at the moment for a

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lot of different people, so they'll be up to them

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to find somebody. Look, Jermil Charlotte, the former undisputed champion,

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was there as Samson Luca had said to me, trying

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to crash the ring and had been drinking. It was drunk.

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You know. They're not. They're not. They're not. I mean,

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even though they're all PBC related, they're not necessarily looking

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to do that fight. They like, if they were gonna

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fight Charlotte, let him come back and get a real

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fight against a legit guy, and then they might can say,

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but he hasn't fought in that weight class since there

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since he had the rematch with Kastagna when he became

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undisputed in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, which is how many years ago?

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Four years ago?

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Speaker 2: And by the way, he's only had one fight since then,

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at one sixty eight, where he just lost every round

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and didn't even try against Canelo. So I don't even

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consider him a legitimate candidate for that fight at this

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moment anyway. I mean, honestly, I think Keith Thurman was

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more of a legit opponent than Charlotte at this moment

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of time, given at least that that.

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Speaker 1: So is the most is the most likely thing wid

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out who wins the zias Innis fight and then we

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got a real legit mega fight at one fifty four

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if if that winner ends up, which I'm just gonna

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go ahead and say it's likely Innis that wins. If

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it's Jaron Innis that wins, and has two of the

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belts fighting, Fondorra, sign me up. If we can get that,

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can we have good things?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that seems slightly unlikely for a lot of reasons.

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I mean, I know that there's lesser now about sides

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of the streets stuff in boxing because of people's associations

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with his own and the fact that they all have

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to work together. But I don't think anybody on the

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Fundora team is running for that fight. Necessarily it is

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PBC and and Mattroom, which have not done a huge

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amount of business together. Again, it's not like it's impossib

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or anything like that, but it just seems like that

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would probably be unlikely anyway. But basically, what they could do,

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it doesn't have to be a unification fight. They could

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just go down the ratings and take a look and

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see who's there and see there's somebody that's interesting to them.

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They could offer a fight to pick a guy. I mean,

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you know, whoever is going to be there, I'll give you.

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I mean, again, it doesn't have to be like a

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superstar name. If you want to just keep the guy busy.

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I mean there's other contenders. You know, Majimov is still

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kicking around the former title er Bachram. You know, he

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lost a close decision to Kelly. Maybe they give him

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an opportunity. He does have the knockout against him. Zoo.

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You know, you know you've got a boss Baru. Yes,

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he lost his anders eyes, but he had a great

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fight with Teaz. He put up a good fight also

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against Anders' eyes. So I'm just making the point that

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just looked down the ratings and there might be a

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decent guy you could find them up with Charles Johnwells

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looking for a fight. I hear you.

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Speaker 1: Did you say Joannis Tayaz would be on the list?

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That's that was on the card with Brian Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: Who could be there.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to that fight, Let's get to how he

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looked and is he maybe the option for fundor what

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did you see out of Taaz?

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Speaker 2: Well? He is also PBC related. I mean, look Taaz

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as you know from the time he was you know,

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several fights ago when he was like seven to oh,

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I've been on that bandwagon, thought he was a great prospect, exciting,

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has got skills, good, good technique in terms of his

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background from the Cuban national system, so he he had

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a lot going for him now. In August of last year,

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he had a sensational Fight of the Year candidate against Brew.

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Speaker 1: He lost.

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Speaker 2: He got knocked down with the final punch. The fight lost,

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a close fight, outstanding matchup lost. At the time he

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had one of the interim belts, so he lost that.

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So he has a win since then, and then they

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matched him up with Teas Remember this fight, I mean

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with Brian Mendoza. This fight was made on somewhat short

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in about three weeks notice because of the injury to

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the heavyweight Frank Sanchez, who was supposed to be in

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this co feature against Richard Torres Junior and their eliminator.

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When that fight fell out, they had PBC had Brian

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Mendoza on standby at one fifty four like they always do,

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and Taz was in camp. And they've worked closely with

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Theaez's other promoter, one of his promoters Zamari from uh

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that does all those shows at the you know from

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box Lab that does all the shows at the Crib Royale,

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as well as Liam Mark Leez from War Years Boxing

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so there was no issues getting that done and it

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was a good mat. I like the matchup because on

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the one hand, you got Taz, who was very exciting

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and you know, has looked good and Brian Mendoza, who

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maybe hasn't looked as good recently because he's lost to

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some of the top guys. But by decision, and by

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the way, he's on the undercart of the guy who's

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the A side champion in the main event, who he's

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the one guy that knocked out clean for a big upset,

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so they made a lot of sense. So they went

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in the ring and listen when the fights started between

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Mendoza and Theaz. While it was not an official eliminator,

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as you mentioned, it was like a de facto eliminator

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because this could push a TAAZ into one of those

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types of fights. Sure, but when the fight started off,

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they both were just out there firing really good, strong,

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educated jabs, doing their thing, and look like, Okay, this

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is gonna be for at least a little while, it's

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going to be a boxing match, but eventually he'll probably

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tick up, it'll become action packed, and that happened, but

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it was probably a little bit sooner than I think

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anybody expected because in the third round there was a

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situation where you have Taaz throws a punch, Brian Mendoza

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ducks out of the way of it, and when he

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comes back up, he rams accidentally his head, you know,

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because Teas is still leaning over. He rams his head

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right into Teaz's face and his nose, and immediately Taz

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falls down to the canvas. The blood is pouring out

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of his nose. It looks like he's got a broken nose,

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and you're like, oh shit, this is going to probably

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not continue because he's so fucked up. They call a

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time out. Uh, he's got five minutes to try to recover.

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The doctor checks him out. He could have checked out,

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he said I'm done, I can't breathe, I can't whatever,

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and it would have just been a no contest. It

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would have fucked you would have been they would have

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to go to the main event. The would have been

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another like forty five minute delay because it was such

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an early time because other fights had gone early that

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they had a lot of tap dancing between fights, and

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it would have really messed up the show even a

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worselip than it had been in the earlier fights. However,

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big big balls and big heart. For that, he was like,

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I'm fighting the fight.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of I'm going to date myself. I

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go back to the days watching the Top Rank pay

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per view when the late great Gennaro Chiiconnito Hernandez was

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taken on the Hall of Famer A Zuma Nelson in

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one hundred and thirty pound world title fight and as

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Zuma Nelson accidentally fouled Jennero Hernandez after the bell hit

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him in the throat, and he could have said I'm

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done and got it, you know, and it would have

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been over and I forget. If you would have just

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gotten the win on the on the cards, there would

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have been a no contest whatever would have been. But Gennaro,

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who had been accused in the past of quitting when

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he lost to Oscar de la Hoya, even though his

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nose was fucking shattered, said you know what, I'm not

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gonna quit. I'm gonna fight. When he didn't have to.

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He went out there and he and he uh and

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he fought fought his heart out in the uh you know,

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they finished the fight and he won the fight. This

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reminded that's the when it was as soon as he said, Teas,

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I'm gonna fight, you know, I was like, that was

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the first thing that jumped into my mind was that

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that memorable matchup between uh Nelson and uh and Genera Hernandez.

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So after that was over that round, when Tayas went

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back to the corner and they're assessing him the you know,

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Abnra Marris, who was on the broadcast team was translating

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what the commentary was in the corner, and he translated

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Taaz is saying, I can't breathe because his nose is

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all messed up. Okay, well, the fight could still end

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because four rounds are not complete, and he could have

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quit right there and it still would have been a

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no contest. He chose to fight and it turned into

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be an absolutely tremendous action fight over the rest of

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the fight, and then eventually he got Brian Mendoza gets

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cut from an accidental head butt. They're going back and forth,

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there's lots of good exchanges, but Taez was protecting the nose.

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He talked about it after the fact that I had

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to be a little bit more cognizant on my defense

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to make sure it clipped on my nose by the

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time he got to like round seven, eight nine. If

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you hadn't seen what happened earlier in the fight, you

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wouldn't even thought he had any kind of problem because

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he seemed to be handling his just fine, at least howardly.

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I'm sure it was very painful, you know, for him

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to deal with that, And so he ended up winning

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a wide decision ninety eight to ninety two, ninety seven,

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ninety three on two score cards. And people might say, well,

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I was a lot closer than that, but the reality was,

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as I was watching it, very close rounds, but he

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was just winning the rounds. He was just doing a

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little bit more landing, a little bit better in terms

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of his punches, his placement, you know, his activity, all

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the things you look at in terms of who you're

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going to score the round for. So Mendoza fought a

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pretty good fight, but he just didn't win it. But

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that was the fight of the night. He showed tremendous

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harte as that made the drama of that particular bout.

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And you know, whatever happened in the Barreu fight, losing

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the decision the guy, you know, you can't measure the

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00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,279
man's heart. We can talk about guys knockouts and how

472
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,319
much speed they have and how much you know, what

473
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,519
their amateur records were and all that shit, but when

474
00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,799
it comes time to actually, you know, pedal to the

475
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,319
medal and you're in the fight, you know, and as

476
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,480
they say, the rubber hits the road, are you gonna

477
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,480
you're gonna fight or are you gonna you know, you're

478
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,240
gonna show something? He should showed what he's got inside him.

479
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,920
This young man was there to to fight twenty five

480
00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:15,319
years old, showed enormous heart, fought his heart out and

481
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,839
it was a It was a tremendous fight. It was,

482
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,799
like I said, a fight of the night.

483
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he will be a future opponent of Fundorra, and

484
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,160
sooner than we think. We don't know, but it's it's

485
00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:24,680
he showed a lot with that win.

486
00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, Mendoza, yeah he lost, and maybe

487
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,680
he has lost a few fights here in there. He

488
00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:31,880
gave a good effort also and put on a good

489
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,359
show too. I mean, I don't know, if you don't

490
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,359
necessarily had Mendoza won, I could certainly see them doing

491
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,640
a Mendoza Fundora rematch and let him try to avenge

492
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,839
the knockout loss. I don't think that happens off this.

493
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,279
But Mendoza is still a guy in the right circumstance

494
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:47,599
you want to see in a decent fight because he's

495
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,240
entertaining and he comes to fight. He took the fight

496
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,119
on short notice. I mean he should get some credit

497
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,279
for that, just because he lost a competitive fight, even

498
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:58,039
though the scorecards looked like it was a wipeout. If

499
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,319
you actually watch the fight, this was not a white out.

500
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,000
This is a good fucking fight, And I mean those

501
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:04,680
that deserves to get another fight out of it.

502
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,079
Speaker 1: All right, and give me the other two wins you

503
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:14,079
mentioned only Hernandozz. He gets the win over a veteran

504
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,200
Terrell Gachet and stopped him. And then the big heavyweight

505
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,720
Hovanasien is able to get a TKO as well. So

506
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:22,480
give me a little more.

507
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,599
Speaker 2: Okay. So Hernandez I had like fifth or fourth or

508
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,839
sixth or whatever on my top Prospects list at the

509
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,319
end of last year. I think the world of him.

510
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,680
I think he can dominate the middleweight division, especially given

511
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,880
how poor it's been in recent years. He's very exciting.

512
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,200
He is ten and zero now with nine knockouts. He

513
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,720
is twenty eight years old. But he got a late

514
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,200
start in terms of his professional career because he's a

515
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,079
Cuban defector. But he had a good amateur career for Cuba.

516
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,160
Two time world amateur champion. And what's kind of crazy

517
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,880
about that is for a guy that won two world

518
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,359
amateur championships, he actually never won a Cuban national championship.

519
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,200
That's how deep the Cuban team has been over the years.

520
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,359
In any event, he is here in the the United

521
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,640
States now campaigning and he is just he's strong as

522
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,319
a bull, he's heavy handed, he's got a great fun style.

523
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,440
He's built like a you know, a granite block, and

524
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,200
he's in the ring against the experience Terrell Guchet. Now,

525
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960
he had fought and lost in previous world title fights

526
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,640
at one fifty four in a decision to Arislondi Lara

527
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,279
in twenty seventeen. Had challenged your boy Carlos and Damas

528
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,160
for the WBC's middleweight belt in twenty twenty four lost

529
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,519
there also had some other you know names. He had

530
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:29,599
the loss against Tim Zuo, a not in a world

531
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,680
title fight. He did drop Timzuo in that fight anyway.

532
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,440
Hernandez It was similar in a sense to what was

533
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,759
Fondora doing against Keith Thurman, just overwhelming him, beating the

534
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:43,319
shit out of him, dominating, having nothing coming back, and

535
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:46,799
unlike what happened in the Fondora fight, where at least

536
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,759
Fondora busted him up, you know, and rocked him and

537
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,920
he had facial damage and it was a complete mess

538
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,160
and was not the case in this fight. But he

539
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,240
was just beating the living crap out of Guchet, and

540
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,359
so the referee in this fight, Alan Huggins, at some

541
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,240
point just had like, you know what, I seen enough.

542
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,880
I seen this guy just take battering after battering after battering,

543
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,640
and there would have been like a little right hand

544
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,640
that landed, but nothing that was telling that would be like, oh,

545
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,759
big shot, let's stop the fight. I think he just

546
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,480
got tired of seeing him just taking an absolute fucking

547
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,200
shlacking for four rounds and he stopped the fight. A

548
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,920
lot of people criticize it, and I understand why. But

549
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,599
for me, and this is just me talking about it,

550
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,599
a lot of times I would rail against that type

551
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,160
of stoppags. For whatever reason, I saw Gachet just get

552
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,000
an absolute ass kicking with no offense whatsoever coming back,

553
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,319
that's no chance to change the ten.

554
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:35,319
Speaker 1: That's another key.

555
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: So I didn't have a real problem with that stoppage.

556
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,559
I didn't love it, but I'm like, I get it.

557
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:40,559
I didn't have a problem with it.

558
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: And that's another key. If if the referee, who's closer

559
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,640
than all of us, is standing right there watching all

560
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000
of this and doesn't see you firing back or any

561
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,680
hope that you're gonna come back, he's there for the

562
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,400
safety of the fighters, to even sometimes save them from themselves.

563
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it that it's I saw the same.

564
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Criticism that, hey, it was too soon, but we keep

565
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,839
railing on. Well, what is too soon versus too late?

566
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,319
When somebody gets seriously injured too, when you let a

567
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,119
fight go on and go on and go on while

568
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,200
they're getting browned again.

569
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: I understand the the irritation of some about the stoppage,

570
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,799
but and Gshet is a veteran. You know, he's an

571
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,400
Olympian and he's fought against top level guys. But if

572
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,039
you can't get off a halfway decent shot in four

573
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,559
rounds and do anything exactly and the other guy's fucking

574
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,480
pasting you, yep, and just hammering you at will, what

575
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:28,079
are you gonna do?

576
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: And tell me about Uh okay, we got you watch

577
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,680
you know, and we'll see if Hernandez gets a bigger

578
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,680
fight coming up at middleweight, which again is what is

579
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,559
your word, bereft? My word is devoid of stars and names.

580
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,599
Maybe he can kind of take over that that part,

581
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,359
all right, tell me about the big heavyweight Hove nasi

582
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,359
in and he gets the TK over the Mexican Caesar Navarro,

583
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,440
big Mexican fighter that was in there real quick. And

584
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,880
then we'll move on to the other heavyweight that we

585
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,240
want to talk about, Moses E. Tama.

586
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: Well, that big Mexican used to be a welterweight and

587
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,839
now he's fighting as heavyweight. So I don't know, I

588
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,279
don't know how big he was. He was, you know, the.

589
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Chavez Junior esque. We're saying yes for Caesar Navarro, put

590
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,160
on the extra fifty pounds.

591
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right. So gergenhovean Iscian, goes by the big Goog.

592
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,759
Now it's ten and oh with nine knockouts, twenty eight

593
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,759
years old. He's a Joe Goosen train fighter. They're very

594
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,079
close to each other. He's an Armenian that's living in

595
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,279
La and he was out for a little while. He

596
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:22,240
had some injuries and maybe he wasn't as active as

597
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,039
he had hoped to be at one point. But he's

598
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,319
a work in progress. I mean, the main thing is

599
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,240
he seems like he's heavy handed, and he's big and strong.

600
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,519
He's like freaking two hundred and eighty pounds. He goes about,

601
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,680
what is he six foot seven or so, So that's

602
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,799
just from the physical point of view, that's a handful

603
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,319
for any heavyweight. And he was in there. He took

604
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,000
him a couple of rounds to get his stuff together,

605
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,519
to get himself organized and get himself into a little rhythm.

606
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,160
And once he did, he just started clipping on Navarro,

607
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,920
who came in with a record of fifteen and three

608
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920
with thirteen knockouts. Also younger than Gergon, he was twenty

609
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,440
six years old, a guy out of Phoenix, and he

610
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,720
just laid it on him and eventually stopped him in

611
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:06,799
the in the fifth round. I mean, it was it

612
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,279
was a good performance from from the big goog. So

613
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,039
I would like to see a little more of him.

614
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,519
I mean, maybe slightly better opposition, but uh, it's definitely

615
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:16,920
a guy maybe to keep an eye on I'm not

616
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,079
sure so how far he goes like he he doesn't

617
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,000
look like the kind of guy that's blessed would like.

618
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,160
He's got no real speed, very hit a ball against

619
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
the right opponent in my opinion. But it's heavyweight boxing

620
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,960
and if you can, if you can take his shot,

621
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,039
maybe you have some a chance. But he looks like

622
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,960
he's got some good punching power to him also, and

623
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,720
that's the name of the game when you're dealing with

624
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:37,279
the big boys.

625
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:42,599
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of heavyweights with big punching power, let's move

626
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440
to earlier in the day US time, Saturday night primetime

627
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,680
in Manchester, England. They are all a buzz again, big

628
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,279
Dan for Moses Etama as they should be. Back after

629
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,240
a lengthy delay from the one round demolition of Dillian White.

630
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,960
He did have an injury back in December. That delay

631
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,000
aid this fight with Jermaine Franklin from January until March. Uh.

632
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,880
You could have delayed it though until twenty twenty seven,

633
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,400
and I don't think it would have mattered because man

634
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,799
Yetama was good. He got some rounds in. He actually

635
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,359
dropped Franklin in the third round. In credit Franklin, he

636
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,559
got up fought on, hung in there and then boom

637
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,680
with the upper cut followed by a straight right hand

638
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,119
while Franklin was kind of dangling out on his feet.

639
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,680
You talk again about fights where fighters can seriously get injured.

640
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480
He didn't. He didn't wind up and throw the fastball

641
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,400
at him. But that's a that's a moment in the

642
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
split second where Jermaine Franklin could have gotten seriously injured.

643
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,000
Itama drops him with the straight right hand face first

644
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960
game over, night over, pick it up, pick it up.

645
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,839
Speaker 2: From there, it was really the uppercut that did it,

646
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
because he was literally he was kind of swaying like

647
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,240
in slow motion. Amost like he was gonna fall.

648
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was almost knocked out standing up by the uppercut.

649
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was gonna even if he doesn't throw

650
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,240
the right hand, he's gonna fall anyway. And he was

651
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,000
out right hand was like a beautiful window dressing, just

652
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,079
like a bonus to like clean him up. And it

653
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,319
was over and out. Look, I don't want to be

654
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,400
too dramatic about this, but I'm just gonna put it

655
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,039
out there, and I posted this on my social after

656
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:13,920
the fight. I've been doing all I've been covering boxing

657
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,079
many many years twenty six years. Baby seen a lot

658
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,480
of prospects come and go, see a lot of great champions,

659
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:22,759
then ringside for hundreds and hundreds of fights, seeing a

660
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,559
lot of stuff in my day, and I searched the

661
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,480
my mind's inventory of the types of performances from up

662
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,200
and coming fighters that I've been more impressed with than

663
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,000
I was with what Moses Thoma did against Jermaine Franklin.

664
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,759
And I'm hard pressed to find a more impressible one.

665
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,200
And it's not because Jermaine Franklin is some great fighter

666
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,039
or anything like that. But if you can't see that

667
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,960
Moses Atoma is the real deal, then I can't help

668
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,319
you with that.

669
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,599
Speaker 1: Well, what did we say going into this fight? Pick

670
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,960
it up on this for those who didn't hear it.

671
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,680
We said we wanted to see him against a veteran

672
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,799
who's been tested, which Franklin had been, Yes, and we

673
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,119
wanted to see if he got some rounds in what

674
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:08,759
would happen check check, including the booming knockout. I'm saying that,

675
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,039
but we we saw what we asked, what happens when

676
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,000
we see it? We saw it right.

677
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,559
Speaker 2: So the big part of this, obviously and This was

678
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
the backdrop to this entire fight, besides the fact that

679
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Franklin is known to be durable and you know, is

680
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,519
not a superstar contender, but he's got credibility, had a

681
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,440
good amateur career and he's fought some good fighters. He's strong,

682
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,400
and he was willing to fight a Tama, which is

683
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,880
part of the battle in the first place, to get

684
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,079
guys to go there to fight the guy. In any event,

685
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,759
the backdrop was that in twenty twenty two he got

686
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,160
a majority decision loss and a competitive fight with Dyllian

687
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,440
white Way before Dylan was a completely shot guy that

688
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,400
Atama wiped out in the first round last summer, and

689
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,720
in the fight after that, Franklin got the opportunity and

690
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,039
lost a unanimous decision. Had a couple of moments against

691
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,079
Anthony Joshua in twenty twenty three, so the two well

692
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,799
two well known British heavyweights of similar uh you know

693
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,759
ear that they fought. In the fact they fought each

694
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,440
other before Joshua won his first world title. They're very

695
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,039
well known, they've had their successes. Joshua of course a

696
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,400
big superstar, and they went the distance in fights against

697
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,039
Jermaine and Franklin. So the idea here is, Okay, what

698
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,759
can the young man, twenty one year old mosesy Tom

699
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,000
in the twenty twenty four fight Freaks Unite Prospect of

700
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:26,519
the Year do when they get in the ring and

701
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,440
it's like you said, can he get in some rounds?

702
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,759
Can he get them out of there? Is he gonna

703
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,720
maybe show uh, you know, a little bit of a

704
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:34,960
different wrinkle? What are we gonna say? Well, what we

705
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,240
saw was Moses Atama go out there and beat the

706
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:41,559
living shit out of Germaine Franklin. Who's similar to the

707
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,079
other fights we've been talking about Keith Thurman and and

708
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,839
and those types of fights where the you know, Terrell

709
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Gachet couldn't do anything against him. He got absolutely slaughtered.

710
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,400
He had no offense to speak of. He took a triment. Now,

711
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,519
he took good shots. He showed, uh, you know, a

712
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,519
pretty good chin for those first few rounds. Other than

713
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,640
the knockdown in round three. He even besides the knockdown

714
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880
and then the eventual knockout, he took a lot of

715
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160
clean shots. He took some good body shots when he

716
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,400
got the knockout. Though the speed, the hand speed that

717
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,799
it possesses. That's the separation. That's the ball game right there.

718
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,680
It's not even just the pure punching power, because I'm

719
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,279
not totally convinced that it's the pure punching power. What

720
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160
it is that sets him apart is the hand speed.

721
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,319
And when you can't when you don't see the punch,

722
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,359
that's when you get really hurt. And his hand speed

723
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,519
is so electrifying that it just you get the power

724
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:35,519
that he does have combined with the fact that the

725
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,759
opponents just don't see the shot and you get fucked

726
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,599
up when you get hit with it. So you can

727
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,160
have a guy like the Big Goog who might have

728
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,000
a good one punch power, but a lot of guys

729
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,400
are gonna see those shots coming whether Toma. Even if

730
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,720
the power is not at at the ultra, you know,

731
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,400
super mega level of some of the great punchers in history,

732
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,440
the speed is what is the game changer because guys

733
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,680
don't see it. So when he drops that fucking uppercut

734
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,559
that goes about two wins in about a speed of light,

735
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:03,160
and then he comes behind it with the right hand

736
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,920
and knocks in the fuck out, that's impressive. That's the

737
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,880
knockout of the ear candidate right then my friend.

738
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,639
Speaker 1: And they roared in Manchester and one a moment and

739
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,480
I know Thomas said after the fight, hey, I believe

740
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,719
he won an amateur, a significant amateur championship in Manchester.

741
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,320
And he said, seven years ago I was here in

742
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,159
Manchester and it kind of all began to come together

743
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,199
here and now here I am back again tonight. So

744
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,800
it's very easy for all the hyperbole and the freight

745
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,519
train and whatever, and we try to keep it realistic

746
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,639
in between the lines here on take it one fight

747
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,119
at a time. There's obviously comparisons to Mike Tyson. Everybody

748
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,840
settled down because Mike Tyson was demolishing guys on a

749
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
regular basis multiple times a year in eighty five and

750
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,920
in eighty six and in eighty seven when he became

751
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,880
the undisputed champion. Certainly this is not the same trajectory.

752
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,920
The guy basically has fought three times in the last

753
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840
year and a half or year and four or five months.

754
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,239
So but I understand in England, the buzz, the comparisons whatever.

755
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: In England. I don't live in England.

756
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,679
Speaker 1: I got I got you, I got you. But in

757
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,199
England especially they're hyped. So does this need another fight?

758
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,239
I believe he needs another fight before we see a

759
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,239
title fight. Let me see it one more time. That's

760
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239
my take. What is your take on the trajectory on

761
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,239
the timeline every time?

762
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying and I don't even disagree

763
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,559
with it, but the reality is probably not okay. First

764
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,880
of all, he's gonna be filling up stadiums before too long.

765
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,639
You know, you'd always like to see a guy get

766
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,440
a better, to get more experience. At some point, that's

767
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,760
not gonna happen. You're gonna You're gonna get the opportunity,

768
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,079
and you know, in heavyweight boxing or any boxing, you

769
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:45,679
get the chance, you usually have to take it. He's

770
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,800
number one in the WBO, he's number one in the

771
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,760
w BA. Now, well, you're number one in the w BA.

772
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,199
They make up their rules. You never know if does

773
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,920
that mean he's number one for the regular champion Mora Gassi?

774
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,159
If I suspect it's gonna be Gussie, because you know

775
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,039
you've got Usik has taken on Verhoven the kickboxer in May,

776
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,719
and then after that, the WBC has already mandated that

777
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400
he defend his title against his mandatory in that organization,

778
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,039
which is a g Caabio, and so that would probably

779
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:10,960
be next unless.

780
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: He knows what would be wrong? What would be wrong?

781
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,639
Perfect world? I know, stupid with having him fight Kabiel,

782
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,360
very intriguing fight.

783
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: I think, who fight Cao?

784
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,119
Speaker 1: Have have Etoma fight Cabia? What would be wrong with

785
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,559
us have it? Can we have good things?

786
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,119
Speaker 2: Listen the reason why that? I mean, I I understand

787
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,559
the thought and why that would be fun for those

788
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,559
of us that are interested to watch good heavyweight fights.

789
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:35,480
But if you're a g Cabo, why in the world

790
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,880
would you fight Moses Tama When I got a guaranteed

791
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,679
shot at the heavyweight champ of the world for astronomical money,

792
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,480
certainly more than he can make against Etama. I would

793
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:45,920
I be doing that?

794
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's guaranteed that Usik will fight him,

795
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,599
because Usik didn't fight him here, and then maybe he's

796
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,000
maybe he gets stripped of the WBC belt.

797
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: So if Usik goes and does the Verhoven fight and

798
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,800
wins and then refuses to fight Cabo and he gets

799
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,159
stripped of the WBC title, Cabiel could be elevated immediately

800
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,119
to the full champion. I think the WC probably would

801
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,400
do that. In that case, a Toama would not be

802
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,639
necessarily qualified to fight for that vegantitle because even if

803
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,719
they put him high in the rankings, he's not gonna

804
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,159
be the next guy available. So I just don't see

805
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,119
that happening now, and at some point that fight could happen.

806
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,519
They're both promoted by Queen's Barry.

807
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,199
Speaker 1: Are you telling me though, because we already know this subplot.

808
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,360
We know that Fabio Wardley is fighting Daniel Dubois. We

809
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,800
know Wardley promoted by Queensberry as his Duba. But Wardley

810
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,159
is trained by the same trainer then, David Davison that

811
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,519
was in the corner Saturday night with Etama. I'm just

812
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,599
going to he's let me say this, Let me say this.

813
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,239
Are you telling me we can't get that fight because

814
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,320
of the trainer? Then what fight can we get?

815
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you a short term go ahead. What

816
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,480
you can get is a couple of possibilities. Number One,

817
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,480
Duba could beat Wardley, in which case I think Frank

818
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,000
Warren would probably make Wardley would make uh A Toama

819
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:02,239
against Dubais Dubois in a heart beat. That's number one

820
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,519
and one of the storylines there would be, you know,

821
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,639
trying to avenge his stable mate Fabia Worthy. They're good buddies.

822
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,320
They trained with the same guy. They've been in the

823
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,199
gyms together for years, so that's one aspect. So he

824
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,400
could certainly fight Dua Fabia Wardley were to lose. Now,

825
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,199
I don't know, you know, the Wordly fight against it

826
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
against Dua is an optional. I have to imagine that

827
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Wordley probably has the possibility of an automatic rematch if

828
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,119
he loses. But who knows, But yes, uh, a victory

829
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,480
by Dui against the Tama would make sense. I think

830
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,480
that what they're gonna do is he's number one in

831
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,639
the WBA. They're gonna fucking make the gassy if I

832
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,599
Gasi have just had a great knockout against Kubra Pulev

833
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,159
he won that that second tier belt and doing a

834
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,039
fight between Atama against Ghassie. Whatever you think about the

835
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,679
WBA secondary title, Ghasiv is still a pretty good heavyweight.

836
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,000
He does have a very credible victor in his last

837
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,519
fight by a big knockout. That would do a big

838
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,400
crowd in the UK. They'd get all pumped up. You know.

839
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,280
Of course, he's not fighting for the real title, but

840
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,280
it's still a belt. They can make that fight. I

841
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,719
would think he's Gassiva would probably make you know, a

842
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,000
very good payday to do that type of fight. That

843
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:05,840
seems to be the logical thing. Now, the guy he

844
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,599
said that he wanted to fight afterwards was Philip Herkovic.

845
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,000
Now that's again another possiblight. Also, Philip Hergovic just signed

846
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,599
a contract extent. He was a free agent who had

847
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,000
been with Frank Laurren previously. The contract ended and then

848
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,440
they made this deal frohim to fight David Allen, and

849
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,599
part of that deal was that was the first fight

850
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:25,639
of what's going to be a contract extension. Now, if

851
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,559
he beats David Allen, which he should because he's going

852
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,960
to be a heavy favorite, then maybe Atama gets another

853
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,039
let's get ready for the real fight, a heavyweight title

854
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,320
fight fight by fighting Hourvich, or maybe they figure out

855
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:38,199
a way to do an interim title or some other

856
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,639
cock and mami bullshit. But the real deal is du boy.

857
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,280
If he beats Wordy Gassie, which is what my money

858
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,840
is on, and maybe Hergovic, and by the way, let's

859
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,599
say Dave Allen where to beat Pargovich and maybe they

860
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,480
give Dave Allen the chance to fight at Tama.

861
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: And obviously we have we're gonna talk about it later

862
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,400
in a week. We have Deontay Wilder and Derek Chesora

863
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,000
fighting this we can and that that's kind of in

864
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,840
its own category. We'll we'll have time to talk about

865
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,519
that and I'll bag on it some. Chasa is another

866
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:13,000
Frank Warren fighter too, who knows that that.

867
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,599
Speaker 2: I don't see either one of those guys fighting Etama

868
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,760
for a lot of reasons. And if these be if

869
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,239
he's to be believed, and it's boxing, so you never know.

870
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,960
Chasaura claims that the but the Deontay fights his last fight,

871
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:27,039
that's his fiftieth fight, he's going to retire. So while

872
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,400
nothing is out of the realm of possibility, I would

873
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,079
take Chisa and Wilder off the board for potential for

874
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,840
fighting Etama. It's certainly in the next fight anyway.

875
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,119
Speaker 1: Okay, So we gave you a lot on that. Let's

876
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,159
see when Atoma is back in the ring and how soon.

877
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Ideally you'd love to see him this summer.

878
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,599
Speaker 2: Getting Frank Warren said he's back out in July.

879
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Good, keep the momentum going.

880
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: The guys will fight, seem I'm assuming all things equal,

881
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,760
if there's no injuries, he'll fight three times this year.

882
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,800
He'll fight the fight that we just saw, he'll fight

883
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,400
this summer, and he'll fight once towards the end of

884
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:58,639
the year.

885
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: All right, news items, Hey, rayphel, I thought Manny Pacquiao

886
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,280
was fighting Ruslan Provodnakov. That apparently is now not happening.

887
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,480
We got to explain that. And then there's Floyd Mayweather.

888
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:14,400
Was this I did not I saw the interview, but

889
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,199
I did not see was it at the Fundora Thurmon

890
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,320
pay per view or just somewhere else where Floyd was

891
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,599
talking on Saturday and saying, oh yeah, my fight with

892
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,280
Pakio isn't a real fight. It's an exhibition and it's

893
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,039
not necessarily at the sphere, by the way, which has

894
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,320
already been announced this Kay, we got a lot to unpack. Go.

895
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: This is the comedy portion of our show.

896
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: Yes, please go, So as so far as it.

897
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,199
Speaker 2: Relates to Manny Paco and Provondnikov. If the people at

898
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,440
Industry Media, who are the folks that are bankrolling this

899
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,559
event that is being logistics are being handled by my

900
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239
pal Art Pululo from Bannon Promotions, who was a longtime

901
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,960
promoter for Rose on Provandikov during his career as when

902
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,039
he was not doing exhibitions, but when he was actually

903
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,000
a fighting real fights and had won a junior well

904
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,840
title and performed on HBO, on ESPN and plenty of

905
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,159
other places. They would have realized what I realized, because

906
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,079
when it first was announced, I asked Arty about this

907
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:12,440
and said, Arty, you're scheduling, not you. Industry media was

908
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,639
scheduling this, this exhibition down between Pakout and Pravadnikoff for

909
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,800
April eighteenth at the Thomas and Maxenter in Las Vegas.

910
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Has said, why would you do an exhibition where no

911
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,440
one's particularly asking for it. Okay, maybe you can make

912
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,159
a nice event out of it, put on some undercard

913
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,440
fights that are interesting, whatever, But why would you go

914
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,000
to the same city and on the same day and

915
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,400
do this on the first night of WrestleMania where Las

916
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,800
Vegas is going to be consumed by that. Yes, it

917
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,159
doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay, they do

918
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,760
what they want to do, and eventually, and this was

919
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,599
just a few days ago where apparently they came to

920
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,920
the realization intelligently. So I guess that hey, we probably

921
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,599
shouldn't do this in Vegas on the same weekend as WrestleMania,

922
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,480
So they decided we're not going to do the fight

923
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,719
in April eighteenth, and while there's no new date specific,

924
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,480
it will, they say, be just moved from April eighteenth

925
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,559
into a weekend a Saturday in June, and they will

926
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,880
still have the fight the exhibition at the Thomas and

927
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,559
Mack Center.

928
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,119
Speaker 1: So that you believe it is still gonna go forward,

929
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,239
just at a later time as opposed to just going

930
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,880
completely away because of the payday. They both want the payday,

931
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,960
and that's why I'll go forward.

932
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,079
Speaker 2: According to Art Pululou, they are committed to doing the

933
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,280
fight in June and staying at the Thomas and Mac

934
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,760
and it's just a matter of we decided it's not

935
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,880
smart to go up against WrestleMania, so they're just gonna

936
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,800
switch it, you know, to you know, six weeks later. Okay,

937
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,079
that that seems to be. I kind of think that

938
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,519
one actually will happen for a lot of different reasons. Whatever.

939
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,119
The mainweather thing is wacky Douke time. It's just off

940
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:43,679
the charts of craziness. So he was not at the

941
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,159
Fondora and the Keith Thurmon fight. Floyd was making an

942
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,519
appearance a personal Pierce. I guess he was signing autographs

943
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,159
and doing whatever, trying to make a few dollars to

944
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,800
pay off the massive debt thaties in and so I

945
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,800
guess he did an interview there and he stated when

946
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,400
he was asked about the pack out fight, A no, no, no, no,

947
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,360
it's not going to be an officially sanctioned fight. It's

948
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,039
going to be an exhibition and oh it might not

949
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,719
be at the Sphere. Come again, you know, so if

950
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,480
you go back a few weeks ago, this was not

951
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:17,079
just some random like announcement. This was Netflix. Yes, you know,

952
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,400
that's a pretty big deal in conjunction with the folks

953
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,199
that are at CSI Fight Sports that had supposedly signed

954
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,599
Mayweather to some type of agreement. Those are the folks

955
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,199
that are also behind the Mayweather exhibition bout against Mike Tyson.

956
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,880
That they were doing an officially sanctioned rematch of their

957
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,719
twenty fifteen blockbuster at the Sphere in September, in a

958
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,199
real fight.

959
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: And that was that.

960
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: I mean, so when Netflix announced it, that seemed very

961
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,280
believable given what they're doing in boxing with the big

962
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,800
mega events that they have done. So for Floyd to

963
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,639
come out and say no, it's not an exhibition, or

964
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,599
that it's an exhibition, not a real fight, now you

965
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,440
go to everything that Manny Packet was always said about

966
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,760
the match that he would love to fight Floyd Mayweather again,

967
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,559
that he always wanted to rematch ever since what happened

968
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,239
the first time where he claimed there was a shoulder

969
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:03,239
problem that he had have surgery on, that he wasn't

970
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,480
at his best, blah blah blah. But I'm not going

971
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,559
to do him an exhibition. If I'm going to do

972
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,440
another fight with Naylor, I wanted to be a real fight.

973
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: Where's where we come by chance to get my revenge

974
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,760
something we frequently talk about what does the contract say?

975
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,119
And I guess soon enough we're gonna find out. Does

976
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:22,119
the contract say real fights sanctioned by the Nevada Commission

977
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,519
or does it say exhibition? And Floyd is putting it

978
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,800
out there that it's an exhibition if that can be believed.

979
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,320
And I don't put the site after.

980
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: It's been a he I mean, who the heck knows

981
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,119
what's going to really happen. But you take into account

982
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,880
that Floyd is on the books supposedly for this Tyson.

983
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,400
And if you talk to people in Bob with that,

984
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,239
they'll say that Floyd can go sign for a pack, yeah,

985
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,920
real fight. He can go sign for the June exhibition

986
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,639
he's supposed to do in Athens, Greece against the retired

987
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,559
kickboxer Mike Zambidis. You know, he can go sign for anybody,

988
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,519
but the Tyson exhibition is has to be honored first.

989
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,000
Whenever that happens, that's first. They have DIBs, they've got

990
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:07,360
they do apparently, but.

991
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,159
Speaker 1: At that moment a major substack. At this moment, they

992
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,519
don't have a date and a location announced for the

993
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,880
Tyson after he's brought up Mayweather that he's fighting in

994
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:20,400
June in Greece and September with Manny supposedly that's your.

995
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Point, correct Now, it's entirely possible that. First of all,

996
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,599
as I reported a while back, when there was a

997
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:28,159
lot of discussion that the fight between the exhibition with

998
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,199
Mayweather and Mike Tyson would take place, and I forget

999
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,960
the date was April twenty fifth or something like that,

1000
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:35,360
that was like, that is one hundred percent it's not

1001
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,400
happening then, and obviously, as we grow every day closer

1002
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
it's one hundred percent not happening. Then more likely if

1003
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,119
they actually go through with that, that will probably get

1004
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,960
rescheduled sometime in the month of May, perhaps early June.

1005
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Congo is still a possibility, although people involved that told

1006
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,800
me it's not a definite. That's just one of the possibilities.

1007
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,199
And if they do it early enough in May, it's

1008
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,519
an exhibition and Floyd doesn't take any damage, he still

1009
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,159
could obviously go forward and do another exhibition at the

1010
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,679
end of June. That's not going to be the most

1011
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,840
taxing thing, taxing, no pun intended with his financial issues,

1012
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,119
So that's a possibility, and then we'll see what happens

1013
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,679
with the September thing with pack Yo. I mean, honestly,

1014
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,079
this whole thing, to me is is just pure comedy

1015
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:17,519
the fact and I.

1016
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: Always chances that the Pakial may Weather to completely unravels

1017
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,599
and doesn't happen. Is it a two, is it a four?

1018
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Is it a six? Or seven? Right now?

1019
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:33,559
Speaker 2: If Netflix is putting up the real money like they

1020
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:34,960
do for these types of events, and I think it

1021
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,280
will happen because Floyd Mayweather needs money, and man, he

1022
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,679
always wants money, So from that perspective, I don't see

1023
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,239
why it wouldn't happen. But if Floyd's insisting on it

1024
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,679
being a non UH sanctioned fight, that may sway pack

1025
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,239
it and say fuck that. I wanted to get my

1026
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,880
revenge and it doesn't mean anything. And you know who

1027
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,159
the heck knows. And by the way, if you're if

1028
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,000
you're a Netflix and I don't know what they're I'm

1029
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,239
sure they're paying tens of millions of dollars to do

1030
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,960
the event. You would think if your Netflix, why would

1031
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,760
you put up that kind of money for an exhibition

1032
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,880
when the whole point was to do the real fight.

1033
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,599
In other words, you want to do an exhibition fight, Fine,

1034
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,280
we're cutting our fucking license fee by like half or more.

1035
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,440
We'll do it. Okay, fine, but we're not going to

1036
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,440
pay what we would pay. It was an actual fight.

1037
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: And for reference, the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua December Netflix fight,

1038
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,599
real fight.

1039
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,079
Speaker 2: Anthony jo I mean on Mike Tyson, Jake and Jake

1040
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,599
Paul fight. So if you take a look at what

1041
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Netflix has done, those bouts have not been exhibition fights.

1042
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,880
Canello Crawford was a real fight when they did the

1043
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:38,760
all women's card, they were actual official fights. So while

1044
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Netflix is done, uh, you know these types of fights

1045
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,960
where you know their their names and not necessarily represent

1046
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,920
what's going on in real boxing as far as the

1047
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,599
rankings go, like a Joshua and Jake Paul, they've largely

1048
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,000
stuck to like official boxing matches, and I would think

1049
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:57,320
they would want to do the same thing with that

1050
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,360
that who did fight last year and Mayweather coming out

1051
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,519
of the retirement, but a lot less of a retirement,

1052
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:04,880
let's say, than Tyson and Tyson had been retired for

1053
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,199
nineteen years. Floyd's only been retired for you know what

1054
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,519
nine years, So who the heck knows what's gonna happen

1055
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,920
with that, And to be quite honest with TJ, I

1056
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,400
actually don't really give a shit how about.

1057
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: That, except that we have the update from Floyd and

1058
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,280
stay tuned on if there's a further update. And we

1059
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,199
gave you a lot on that. Okay, let's move on.

1060
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,519
As we've been here a little bit, we have known

1061
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,320
that Dimitri Beebol intends to return as the unified light

1062
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,880
heavyweight champion against his IBF mandatory Michael Eiffert. It had

1063
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,360
been thought that it could end up that fight on

1064
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,800
the undercard of Alexander Usik fighting another kickboxer in Egypt,

1065
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,400
this Verhoven, Rico Verhoven. However, my man Rayphiel has been

1066
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,960
digging in what have you uncovered?

1067
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: So while it was never definitive that it would be

1068
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
on that card at the Pyramids, that was what they

1069
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,480
were pointing towards it. They were going to look to

1070
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,320
do the fight on the show. My understanding is like

1071
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,719
that maybe Turkey Alshikhu was the benefactor of bankrolling that

1072
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,880
Giza card and the Pyramids was not enamored with that matchup.

1073
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,280
His prerogative if it's his money, for sure, I totally

1074
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,079
don't blame him. Bibbol is coming off the back surgery,

1075
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,440
he's got the mandatory due he's hoping to maybe set

1076
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,519
up the third fight against better BF and at some

1077
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,320
point you got to get in the ring, and so

1078
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,960
might as well take care of the mandatory even if

1079
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,400
it's not somewhat of a humongous fight. So if they

1080
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,960
didn't want to do it on the Pyramids card, he's

1081
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,320
still going to do the fight. And so the outfit

1082
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440
in Russia called RCC Promotions, which has put on plenty

1083
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,800
of cards through the years. They're gonna do this fight

1084
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,039
in Atkaterinburg, Russia. It will be in May. It's the

1085
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,679
data is not set yet and that is the plan.

1086
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,039
So he will get back in the ring. He will

1087
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,719
defend the mandatory. That deal is done. They had already

1088
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,840
told the IBF to cancel the first bid because they

1089
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,760
made the deal. It is my understanding that that fight

1090
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,480
is signed. It just hasn't been a formally announced yet.

1091
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,360
I would anticipate it would be coming in day in

1092
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,880
the next you know, maybe on Monday, who knows, but soon,

1093
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,239
and if everything goes well for him on that May card,

1094
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,199
then maybe we'll hear some more about the possibility of

1095
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,280
doing a rematch or a trilogy fight rather against Arthur

1096
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,840
better be it. But again, eventually, Bibble's got to get

1097
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,840
back in the ring. He's still the champ, he's still unified,

1098
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,559
he's still neal.

1099
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,119
Speaker 1: Got to do.

1100
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 2: Gotta fight.

1101
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, David Benavetez has said a couple

1102
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,199
of times that just because I'm fighting Zerdo here at cruiserweight,

1103
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,199
it's not out of the realm here that he would

1104
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,519
move back to light heavyweight and would potentially fight bevol

1105
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:22,800
tune that that.

1106
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:26,639
Speaker 2: And I can appreciate where David is coming from, and

1107
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,920
I believe he's earnest in his statement, but that's one

1108
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,039
of those deals where easier said than done. I think

1109
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:34,880
once he feels the way he feels that cruiserweight, he's

1110
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,239
never coming back. That's a hard to cut that weight

1111
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,320
when you're not just cutting flab. I mean, he's already

1112
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,519
you know, I just did the the The famous example

1113
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,800
that maybe slightly different in terms of the weight division

1114
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,400
is when Roy Jones went from heavyweight a small heavyweight

1115
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,079
after fighting John Ruiz and dropped all the way back

1116
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:53,559
down to light heavyweight and he was never the same.

1117
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:55,840
It ruined his career. And David is still a young fighter.

1118
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,119
I would hate to see him do the same thing.

1119
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,079
And if he wins against zero, why if you're the

1120
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,480
unified world champion at cruiserweight, would you decide to go

1121
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:05,159
back when you're going to be the money guy in

1122
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:05,639
the division?

1123
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: Agreed one more item. Can it truly have been sixty

1124
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,760
years ago the night that we're doing this podcast March

1125
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,000
the twenty ninth of nineteen sixty six, that Bob Aram

1126
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,440
ventured into the world of boxing promotion. And here we

1127
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,519
are sixty years later, Bob Aram and Top Rank still

1128
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,719
going strong. Let's get nostalgic from a moment or two.

1129
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,960
I know Top Rank sent out a media release commemorating this.

1130
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,599
That's amazing sixty years.

1131
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: Look, Bob's ninety four years old. They just did a

1132
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:44,880
new broadcast agreement with his own after the experts of

1133
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,559
their espn So, as I have said numerous times to

1134
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,960
you and others and written about, the rumors of their

1135
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,960
demise during those seven eight months were greatly exaggerated. But

1136
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,320
sixty years ago, on Sunday, as we taped this on

1137
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,079
March twenty ninth, you had Bob Aaron promoting his very

1138
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,119
first fight. This was Mhammad Ali, who was then the

1139
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:04,440
heavyweight champion, fighting George Savallo and the Maple League Gardens

1140
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480
in Toronto and their first time that they fought each other.

1141
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,559
Bob had been a lawyer in the Justice Department that

1142
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,960
was run by Robert F. Kennedy and ended up Kate,

1143
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,599
you know, had worked in as a lawyer and met

1144
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,360
Ali and was introduced to him by the great football

1145
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,519
player Jim Brown and Ali needed some assistance to make

1146
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,000
a long story short, Bob Ahm, who was a lawyer

1147
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:28,760
that had never really ever I don't think, had ever

1148
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,920
been at that point to a boxing match, ends up

1149
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,639
promoting the fight, went through all the difficulties to get

1150
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:41,039
that done and to go to the old great Seinfeld Show,

1151
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,480
and YadA, YadA, YadA. Here we are sixty years later.

1152
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,920
He's one of the goat promoter of all the time,

1153
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,719
with one of the most amazing libraries of fights that

1154
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,000
they have produced and and and promoted through the years.

1155
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,519
It's just been as remarkable a run as any run

1156
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:57,639
of anything you can think of in the history of sports,

1157
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,280
either by an executive or by an athlete. You just

1158
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,119
don't get bigger and better. I mean, I know that Bob.

1159
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,400
I mean that Don King is considered, uh, you know,

1160
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,039
the most famous boxing promoter. And I'm sure Don was

1161
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,400
a great promoter and did some amazing events and this

1162
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,440
and that, and with all due respect to my man

1163
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,480
Don King, I consider Bob Aram to be the greatest

1164
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:19,519
boxing promoter in the history of the sport. And I

1165
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,199
don't even think it's all that close. And now I'm

1166
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880
not trying to disrespect any other promoter or Don King.

1167
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,199
The difference between Don and Bob in large measure is

1168
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,719
that while Don was always out there screaming from the rooftops,

1169
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,079
he mostly made it about himself and helped sell his

1170
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:35,920
events that way. I mean, if you take a look,

1171
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,559
I mean, you could come and look at my programs

1172
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:41,639
and my posters I have of Don King fights where

1173
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,440
Bor Don is on the cover or Don is on

1174
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,519
the poster. I've got probably the same number of programs

1175
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,719
and posters of Bob Aaron toppring events. You know how

1176
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,719
many programs don I mean that Bob Aaron is on

1177
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,880
the cover of zero. The one I have of him

1178
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,880
where he's on the cover was because they produced something

1179
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,840
for him when they did a roast about him at

1180
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,039
the Friars Club years ago that I attended because that

1181
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,280
was about him. But other than that, everything is about them.

1182
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,360
So he made it about the event and about the fighters.

1183
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,599
But the amount of what he's done, I mean, in

1184
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,239
the list of Top Rank compiled is is this is

1185
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,519
done by Bruce Trampler, who is the Hall of Fame

1186
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,840
matchmaker that's been with Top Rank and you know, one

1187
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,639
of Bob's closest advisors and employees since nineteen eighty who's

1188
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,440
been at that company for a long long time. And

1189
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,679
you know, Bob any decision that Bob ever made about boxing,

1190
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,239
he wouldn't do it if Bruce didn blessed. Basically, that's

1191
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,840
just been the way it is. And Ben Bruce has

1192
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,039
been the keeper of the statistics. So may I throw

1193
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:36,760
a few statistics?

1194
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,119
Speaker 1: Give me, give me some stats. On sixty years go.

1195
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: Two thousand, two hundred and three boxing cards promoted by

1196
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,559
Top Rank. Now do the math. That's a lot of cards.

1197
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,119
That's a lot of shows. Nine hundred and of those

1198
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,280
two two hundred and three events, nine hundred and forty

1199
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,920
of them on various ESPN platforms. Keeping in mind that

1200
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,320
in the early eighties through the end of the contract

1201
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,719
they had Top Rank boxing on a weekly basis, and

1202
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,679
then they spent, you know, from twenty seventeen until last

1203
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,960
year doing the as the exclusive provider for ESPN. That's

1204
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,599
a lot of shows. Nine hundred and forty they have

1205
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,960
promoted ToJ seven hundred and twenty two world title fights.

1206
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,639
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know, sorry, I'm sorry, how many world

1207
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:16,119
title fights?

1208
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: Seven one hundred and twenty two? Now, I will ask

1209
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,679
Bruce one of these days, and maybe he's listening to

1210
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,840
the podcasts, he can send me a text message before

1211
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,639
I call him. I don't know if that includes like

1212
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,320
WBA regular titles or interim titles, or if that includes

1213
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:29,880
you know, they used to do a lot of business

1214
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,320
with the late Great Dean Chance when he ran the IBA,

1215
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,880
But whatever it is, it's still a lot of fucking

1216
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,840
title fights. And then they break down like the number

1217
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,360
of fights they did in different states, obviously Nevada where

1218
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,440
they're based now after many years from New York and

1219
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,800
Las Vegas being in Nevada as well. Five hundred and

1220
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,360
seventy shows in the state of Nevada. And it's like

1221
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,280
that throughout the country. The amazing stat that I find,

1222
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,559
by the way, is at the very end of the

1223
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,639
list that Bruce compiled, they list they've done shows in

1224
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,320
forty three states, but they list the fights. List the

1225
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,400
states where they've not done fights Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Kansas,

1226
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,440
South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. And the shaker to me

1227
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,920
was that they've never done a boxing match in Washington,

1228
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,760
d C. Which is, you know, I live in the area.

1229
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:12,360
I'm stunned by that because it's a great boxing city.

1230
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,920
They've promoted all kinds of different fighters from all different

1231
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,199
places around the United States and the world. So that's

1232
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:19,360
pretty amazing. And when you think about the types of

1233
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,880
fighters they've promoted, it is absolutely remarkable. Now the Bruce

1234
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,880
has kept a list of the fighters that they promoted

1235
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,639
the most fights of it's you know, of the ones

1236
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,880
that he lists, forty one Miguel Cota fights in the

1237
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,400
Hall of Fame, Michael Carbahall thirty eight fights in the

1238
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,079
Hall of Fame, Oscar de la Hoya thirty seven fights

1239
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,079
in the Hall of Fame, Donald Curry thirty seven fights

1240
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,519
in the Hall of Fame, Johnny Tapia thirty six fights

1241
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,000
in the Hall of Fame, Floyd Mayweather thirty five fights

1242
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:46,639
in the Hall of Fame. And then there's guys that

1243
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:48,159
aren't in the Hall of Fame, but tons of fights.

1244
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:53,239
Thirty five Oscar Valdez fights, and you know, thirty nine

1245
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Kelly Pavlick fights, and you just go on down the

1246
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,159
list twenty seven. By the way of Muhammad Ali, the

1247
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,639
number of fighters that they voted that are in the

1248
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,760
Hall of Fame and that were world champions, seventy five.

1249
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,480
That's like a good percentage of the guys in the

1250
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:08,280
Hall of fame in total. In the in the In

1251
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,760
the Fighter cast said it.

1252
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: We said it two or three times, even in recent years.

1253
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,800
You were talking about recent shows, you were talking about

1254
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,000
the top rank library when you're talking about Ali and

1255
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:20,199
Hagler and Leonard Uh and then moved forward to names

1256
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,840
like Mayweather, Pakil Dala, Hoolya Canello, and it's amazing.

1257
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:30,039
Speaker 2: Even more modern guys Vasilli, Lomachenko, Keishaan Davis, Uh you know,

1258
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:33,440
Shakor Stevenson and and Tia Fimo Lopez and those types

1259
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,360
of fights. But then and even if you get past

1260
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,119
like the Ali's and and Uh and and the and

1261
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:39,920
the Sugar and the Sugar Ray Leonard and and the

1262
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:43,280
big four, Duran, Hagler, Herts, it wasn't that many fights

1263
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,519
in total of the number, but what Hagler was twenty fights.

1264
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,960
But the other guys, it wasn't a ton of the fights,

1265
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,320
but it was the magnitude of those fights because he

1266
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,920
did all those, you know, the four Kings fights, most

1267
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,360
of them starting with being the co promoter of Duran

1268
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,280
Versus Leonard number one. Chavez had a bunch of fights

1269
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,880
were top rank. And I mentioned to you all the

1270
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,800
fighters that they promoted that are in the Hall of Fame.

1271
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,280
How about just members of the Top Rank staff over

1272
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,199
the years that are in the Hall of Fame. Seven

1273
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,760
people who are known because of their work for Top

1274
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,760
Rank are in the Hall of Fame, Bob obviously being

1275
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,119
one of them, the legendary matchmaker Teddy Brenner, the legendary

1276
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:20,639
publicist Irving Rudd, Bruce Trampler, the great matchmaker, my dear

1277
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:24,360
friend and longtime publicist Lee Samuels, Brad Jacobs who was

1278
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,559
recently inducted as the chief Operating Officer and one of

1279
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,119
my closest friends for twenty five years. Brad Goodman, who

1280
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,840
was their matchmaker that has worked, you know, alongside Bruce

1281
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,039
for all these years, twenty five years for him, it

1282
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,519
is just remarkable. They promoted four of Mike Tyson fights

1283
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:39,880
back in the day when he was a young fighter.

1284
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:44,679
He promoted the famous Evil Knievel Snake River Canyon Jump,

1285
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,320
which he tells amazing story.

1286
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,119
Speaker 1: Hey, it's still the highest rated. I believe that event

1287
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,000
is still the highest rated episode of ABC's Wide World

1288
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:52,440
of Sports.

1289
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:54,679
Speaker 2: Ever, was that that was a replay? He wasn't live

1290
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:55,800
because it was all Stark.

1291
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: Was a live event. Crazy on the career of Bob

1292
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:00,599
thirty two.

1293
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:04,199
Speaker 2: Eric Morales fights thirty one Mickey Word fights thirty different

1294
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,199
countries where they promoted fights twenty nine Tommy Morrison.

1295
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1296
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,039
Speaker 2: The numbers are just fucking sick, and they're still going.

1297
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,559
Speaker 1: By the way, give me an update, just real quick,

1298
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,639
and then we've got to go. You mentioned before that

1299
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,360
Bob had had surgery. Was it knee replacement surgery or

1300
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,199
hip replacement? He told me ne replacement surgeries? Yes, okay.

1301
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,440
How is he doing at ninety four? Have you spoken

1302
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:26,239
to him recently? What's the update on the since we're

1303
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:27,840
marking this anniversary sixty years.

1304
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,639
Speaker 2: I did speak to Bob on the day that they

1305
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:31,440
and they had their press conference, or maybe the day

1306
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,400
after their press conference to announce their dissowne agreement. I

1307
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,599
spoke to Bob for a while. I mean I hadn't

1308
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:38,239
talked to Bob in a few weeks. I had a

1309
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,920
nice conversation with them. Bob was a little grouchy because

1310
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,199
he's still annoyed because he's having trouble getting around because

1311
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,360
of the knee. But he's you know, he's working and

1312
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,800
as he said, you know, when you're my agent's you know,

1313
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,360
you know, it's a little bit tougher to recover from that,

1314
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,559
but that's like a superficial kind of thing. It's like

1315
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:56,159
his brain is fine. He you know, he's still got

1316
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,360
his h as March is amazing, which is amazing, listen.

1317
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,559
I mean, and I don't just say this about people

1318
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:05,840
that I know in boxing, because, of course, over the

1319
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,559
years I've been covering boxing, I've met pretty much everybody

1320
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,440
and talked to everybody at one time or another. But

1321
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:13,679
just in life of non boxing and boxing, Bob is

1322
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,039
one of the most remarkable people I've ever met. And

1323
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,000
I've spent a lot of time around Bob through the years.

1324
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:21,880
I've I've you know, had great moments with Bob. I've

1325
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,280
had terrible moments with Bob. I've had plenty of conversations

1326
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,559
on non boxing things with Bob, about just life in

1327
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:31,159
general and other topics. I've dined with Bob, I've been

1328
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,119
to Bob's home, and even though we haven't always seen

1329
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,239
eye eye on things, and with that something, like I said,

1330
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960
terrible moments, I have massive respect for what he's accomplished

1331
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,639
as a promoter and just as a person. The generosity

1332
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:45,679
of Bob Aaron. There's a lot of things he does

1333
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,360
that are not publicized that the people who are the

1334
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,920
recipients of that generosity know about, but he doesn't make

1335
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,400
a big deal about it. But he's done incredible things

1336
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,800
for a lot of people. But there's the other side

1337
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
where you know, people get mad because he's done and

1338
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,840
said things that are maybe not appropriate about a lot

1339
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,320
of different things. But in totality, he's an amazing person.

1340
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,599
And as I say, I hope he can live another

1341
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:10,760
fifty years and keep promote in boxing. He is the

1342
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,800
best promoter in the history of the sport period.

1343
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,519
Speaker 1: And it began sixty years ago tonight Sunday night, as

1344
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:21,519
we released this into Monday on March twenty ninth, nineteen

1345
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,960
sixty seven, by.

1346
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,039
Speaker 2: The way, And I say that as somebody who years

1347
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:27,599
ago had me kicked out of an arena when I

1348
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,559
was covering one of his events in Philadelphia, and I

1349
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,000
had to go write my story in the ESPN production truck.

1350
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,239
Speaker 1: But you eventually made up after that fact.

1351
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,599
Speaker 2: We joke around about it at this point.

1352
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:42,159
Speaker 1: All right, listen, great stuff here. We covered a bunch.

1353
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,119
Why don't we regroup because we got a ton of

1354
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:49,039
fights coming this weekend. I'm actually headed later this week

1355
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,880
to Indianapolis and the college basketball Final Four, but we

1356
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,679
will work in all the boxing preview mode, recap mode,

1357
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,960
Big Dan, thank you read the sub stack. It is

1358
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,559
the Fight Preaching Night Recap podcast. Read this substack for

1359
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,199
the very latest and the newsletter. Always love the insight.

1360
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,480
We appreciate it. Here once again on the on the

1361
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,400
recap pod, thank you. Have a great week.

1362
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: All right, you two, TJ. Enjoy your trip for the

1363
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:13,239
for the big basketball.

1364
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go. There is Big Dan Rayfield. I'm

1365
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:20,159
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