Speaker 1: Bill cunning In. The Great American Reds Baseball kicks off
Speaker 1: this afternoon about five forty with Eddie and the Rock.
Speaker 1: They've won like four or five in a row. They
Speaker 1: look unbeatable. They sweep the Ohio Cup as if anyone cares,
Speaker 1: but it means three great wins against Cleveland. Tito Francona
Speaker 1: loved that because he's the former manager of the Cleveland
Speaker 1: then Indians. So we'll see what happens there. But there
Speaker 1: was a bombshell dropped over the weekend in which ex
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden was diagnosed with stage four metastastic cancer
Speaker 1: of the prostate. And for those men over the age
Speaker 1: of forty five or fifty, this is a shock because
Speaker 1: I had assumed that if you get your PSA done
Speaker 1: all the time, and that's an indicator and DRE digital
Speaker 1: rectal exam, you're kind of inoculated in a sense. So
Speaker 1: we all would like to know as Americans, can we
Speaker 1: see the last five to ten year history, when did
Speaker 1: the PSA spike? Did it happen during his presidency and
Speaker 1: he kept it secreted he was the president until January
Speaker 1: of this year, And how bad a shape is it?
Speaker 1: So joining you and I now is doctor Stephen Kappa.
Speaker 1: He's with the Urology group here in Cincinnati, and doctor Kappa, welcome,
Speaker 1: I think for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And this is something I'm sure you followed over the weekend.
Speaker 1: So just give us a general view as to the
Speaker 1: medical condition right now of ex President Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, Bill, I'm thrilled to be here, happy to review
Speaker 3: the detail to this case, and really to emphasize to
Speaker 3: your listeners, to your men out there, the bottom line
Speaker 3: is it's important to get screened, to have these discussions
Speaker 3: about prostate cancer and prof stay cancer prevention and screening
Speaker 3: early on so you can hopefully avoid you know, this
Speaker 3: unfortunate diagnosis that former President Biden received. So yeah, what
Speaker 3: we know just and this is just from his personal
Speaker 3: office relief, is that he was diagnosed with an aggressive
Speaker 3: form of prostate cancer. They mentioned Gleason nine disease or
Speaker 3: Great Groups five disease. They mentioned actually also that it
Speaker 3: presented with urinary symptoms, and we.
Speaker 4: Do see this.
Speaker 3: Sometimes prostate cancer is typically silent, it's like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: diagnosed with PSA blood tests, but also sometimes with examination.
Speaker 3: The statement release indicate that there was a prostate nodule.
Speaker 3: That's likely what started the biopsy process, which gives you
Speaker 3: the formal diagnosis. And you know what is also unfortunate
Speaker 3: in his case, former President Biden's cases, it's metastasized or
Speaker 3: spread to the bone. I don't have many details beyond that. Again,
Speaker 3: we can go into more discussion about the specifics of
Speaker 3: men like him who present with aggressive disease, but that's
Speaker 3: what we know so far. It's I don't want to
Speaker 3: sugarcoat it's a very serious condition. But I also want
Speaker 3: to mention that for men, even like him, who are
Speaker 3: diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer, we have very good treatments
Speaker 3: that can focus on quality of life and slowing down
Speaker 3: the disease.
Speaker 1: And doctor Kappa, he's had cancer's polyps removed from his calling,
Speaker 1: he's had skin cancer, he's had stroke symptoms. He's elderly.
Speaker 1: One doc I saw today said that Biden has about
Speaker 1: a thirty percent chance of living five years from this
Speaker 1: point on. This is serious, I guess is that accurate
Speaker 1: that if you catch it at this level in your
Speaker 1: early eighties, your time frame is quite limited?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, I mean so for prostate cancer, it's the most
Speaker 3: common cancer in men. One in eight men will get
Speaker 3: diagnosed with prosta cancer in their lifetime. It's the second
Speaker 3: most common killer in terms of procetaly in terms of
Speaker 3: cancer for men. But we fortunately find this in early
Speaker 3: stages and men can actually do very well with appropriate treatment.
Speaker 3: So of all the men who are diagnosed with prosta cancer,
Speaker 3: only three percent will die from their disease, and your
Speaker 3: statistic there is absolutely true. So for men who present
Speaker 3: with advanced stage disease spread to other parts of the body,
Speaker 3: the five year survival is much lower at thirty seven
Speaker 3: percent according to the most recent data. So you know,
Speaker 3: there's a big wide spectrum in terms of how we
Speaker 3: treat and see these cases. But for the more advanced
Speaker 3: cases it is more difficult, no doubt. But again the
Speaker 3: anshasis will be is that he still has treatment options.
Speaker 3: I don't know the exact details of his case, but
Speaker 3: I do believe in trust will get excellent medical care
Speaker 3: from here.
Speaker 1: Doctor Kappa. As far as releasing more information, I think
Speaker 1: it is required of a public official who was recently
Speaker 1: the president in January of this year, to release to
Speaker 1: the public the last five or ten years of PSA
Speaker 1: and drees to see when this metastasized. Is it fair
Speaker 1: to say that this did not happen after January when
Speaker 1: he left office, this thing was present months or years before.
Speaker 3: Well, typically prote cancer can be slow growing, and it's
Speaker 3: really hard for me to speculate on that. What we
Speaker 3: know is that his presentation was obstructive urinary symptoms and
Speaker 3: that's what prompted the physical exam, the nodule, the work up,
Speaker 3: the biopsy, and the imaging that will ultimately led to
Speaker 3: the information that we have available. We do see some
Speaker 3: cases where men have lower PSAs and have more aggressive
Speaker 3: forms of disease. PSA screening, as you mentioned, it is
Speaker 3: a really important thing, and the recommendations now and then
Speaker 3: this is just for all your listeners. At the age
Speaker 3: of fifty, you got to get in get your blood checked.
Speaker 3: It's a very simple blood draw and a physical exam.
Speaker 3: For higher risk men like black men, those who have
Speaker 3: a family history of prosta cancer, the recommendations that are
Speaker 3: to get screened even earlier. Your question really was about,
Speaker 3: you know, he's eighty two years old, what are his
Speaker 3: PSAs before? I don't have any information about that.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Well the thought is, you know, I hate to talk
Speaker 1: about politics when it's biology. But if he knew he
Speaker 1: had this cancer the last couple of years of his presidency,
Speaker 1: why wasn't that made public? Every time he had a
Speaker 1: yearly medical exam, the doctor said he was in tip
Speaker 1: top shape. He could solve a Rubik's cube in about
Speaker 1: nine seconds, sharp as attack. This guy's in great health.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, well, he's in great health, but he's stumbling,
Speaker 1: mumbling and fumbling, and now he's got an aggressive, former
Speaker 1: proceday cancer that most certainly was present in the last
Speaker 1: one to three years of his presidency that we weren't
Speaker 1: notified of. What was this a cover up? And secondly,
Speaker 1: talk about the symptoms. Most men like tell me they
Speaker 1: get up once or twice a night. I know yours
Speaker 1: surely does in order to urinate. What are the urinary
Speaker 1: symptoms that he had that would indicate that more aggressive
Speaker 1: treatment was indicated. What kind of symptoms are they?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, Your point's are really important one, which is you know,
Speaker 3: how can prostac cancer present I mentioned it's usually a
Speaker 3: silent presentation, just identified by a laboratory screen test, the
Speaker 3: PSA tests. But we do see, I mean I see
Speaker 3: patients with prostay cancer every week, and we do see
Speaker 3: patients who unfortunately present with urinary symptoms. That's that's what
Speaker 3: was released in the statement by his personal office. Obstructive
Speaker 3: urinary symptoms.
Speaker 2: That's one.
Speaker 3: Number two can be pain in the back or other
Speaker 3: areas of the bone, unintentional weight loss, blood in the urine.
Speaker 3: So these these are unfortunately signs of more advanced disease.
Speaker 3: And that's the information that we have for him, and
Speaker 3: you know that is fortunately less common. Usually we catch
Speaker 3: this much earlier and we can treat it effectively. So
Speaker 3: again it's it's hard to know exactly what happened in
Speaker 3: his case, but a very small percentage and then will
Speaker 3: actually present with symptoms like this and present with metastatic
Speaker 3: or disease outside of the prostate.
Speaker 1: As far as the Gleasian score of nine, it goes
Speaker 1: one to ten. Nine is about as bad as it gets.
Speaker 3: Correct, yes, sir, yeah, there, it's a little confusing. And
Speaker 3: the gleas And score is the historic grating that we
Speaker 3: use for cancer of the prostate. So basically, you know,
Speaker 3: for your listeners, we take a biopsy sample of the prostate,
Speaker 3: we look at it under the microscope, and we give
Speaker 3: it a Gleas and score. So it's confusing because it's six, eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 2: Do you mention?
Speaker 3: Yeah, nine is aggressive. That's that is about as bad
Speaker 3: as it gets. So there's another classification, a newer one
Speaker 3: called great group one, two, three, four, five. So it
Speaker 3: gets confusing. But historically you'll see Gleason score used. That's
Speaker 3: what we commonly share with patients and Gleason nine. I
Speaker 3: would think of this on a scale of six to ten.
Speaker 3: He's nine on that scale, which represents a more aggressive
Speaker 3: form of process cancer.
Speaker 1: Doctor Stephen Kappa, Eurology Group here in Cincinnati. Lastly, as
Speaker 1: far as a man, let's say a man like yours
Speaker 1: truly sees once a year, I go to the Eurology group.
Speaker 1: I have relatively low PSAs below four. I have that
Speaker 1: digital rectal exam, which is, shall we say, disconcerting. I
Speaker 1: tell doctor Eric Coon, while you're up there, you got
Speaker 1: ten seconds enjoy yourself. But I don't want any more.
Speaker 1: What at risk is a guy that low PSA, but
Speaker 1: say below four and drees are negative. How much risk
Speaker 1: is yours truly at.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I think you're doing all the right things. I appreciate
Speaker 3: you sharing that personal.
Speaker 4: Message with the audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's kind of the bottom line. When I would
Speaker 3: advise men who are listening to this program, one and
Speaker 3: eight men get diagnosed with prostate cancer in their lifetime,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think about this, this is your
Speaker 3: lifetime risk of prostate cancer is more than the likelihood
Speaker 3: of your car breaking.
Speaker 2: Down this year.
Speaker 3: And everybody gets their oil change, their car check, you know,
Speaker 3: all the maintenance done in their car. But a lot
Speaker 3: of guys won't come in to see their doctor. So
Speaker 3: you mentioned the things that you got to do. Start
Speaker 3: at age forty to forty five if you're higher risk,
Speaker 3: fifty at the latest. For all men, you get your
Speaker 3: PSA done. The exam has an important role as well,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't let guys let that scare guys off.
Speaker 3: It's really not that.
Speaker 4: Big of a deal to get done.
Speaker 3: But at a minimum, we want that blood test, the PSA.
Speaker 3: We want to individualize, personalize your care to your own
Speaker 3: risk factors. So that's what happens on that discussion, and
Speaker 3: I have this discussion again every day with men. It's
Speaker 3: it's about the risks and the benefits of screening and treatment,
Speaker 3: and we walk through that journey with you for your
Speaker 3: case it sounds like you're doing all the right things.
Speaker 3: You're getting your checks, you're you're having that discussion with
Speaker 3: your doctor every year, and so I would just encourage
Speaker 3: all guys.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 3: You know, you get your oil changed, you don't hesitate
Speaker 3: that you have a lower risk of your car breaking
Speaker 3: down than you do of getting prostate cancer in your lifetime.
Speaker 3: So definitely, you know, I think that this story really high.
Speaker 3: It's an unfortunate story, and we hope the former president
Speaker 3: does well. But you know what I would say is
Speaker 3: this can be a wake up call for all the
Speaker 3: guys listening. Don't ignore those symptoms, like if you have
Speaker 3: those obstructive urinary symptoms, you have blood in your urine,
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen your doctor in a long period
Speaker 3: of time, start that conversation today. Make that appointment today,
Speaker 3: because it can really save your lives and you can
Speaker 3: be around healthier and longer for your family.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that ex President Joe Biden had low
Speaker 1: PSA and had digital rectal exams on a regular base.
Speaker 1: He's at risk patient, not just the president, but at
Speaker 1: risk all the cancers that he's had. Is it possible
Speaker 1: this thing developed after January? The twentieth of this year,
Speaker 1: although here was the president like four months ago. He's
Speaker 1: got the awesome power. And is it possible all these
Speaker 1: things developed in the last one hundred and twenty days.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, it's it's really hard for me to speculate on
Speaker 3: that because please do please do the medical record. But
Speaker 3: is Nephew by no, And as I understand the question
Speaker 3: very well, and it's so hard. I mean, the question
Speaker 3: is is do we see patients who come in for
Speaker 3: the first time who have an advanced diagnosis that they
Speaker 3: didn't know about or they may have had recent conceptive symptoms.
Speaker 3: Could they have a fast growing cancer that's aggressive.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Do we see patients who have low PSA who have
Speaker 3: unfortunately aggressive forms of prostate cancer other types of we
Speaker 3: call them histologic subtypes, but you know, different forms of it.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Are these rare?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Again, real hard to speculate in this individual case. But
Speaker 3: you know what I would say is, you know, this
Speaker 3: case really highlights the importance of early screening, early intervention,
Speaker 3: because you don't want to come in with obstructive symptoms
Speaker 3: and a prostate nodule and a really high PSA, a
Speaker 3: really high glease and score and spread of disease to
Speaker 3: your bones. You know, some men will experience pain in
Speaker 3: their bones. It's really a difficult quality of life's concern.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I would just again emphasize the importance
Speaker 3: if you want to catch it early. Early screening saves
Speaker 3: lives and process cancer is the most common common cancer
Speaker 3: for men. Really hopefully a wake up calls, all your listeners,
Speaker 3: get in, get checked.
Speaker 1: Well, there's no guarantees in life. You get guarantees from
Speaker 1: Midas Muffler and that's about it. But assuming you have
Speaker 1: a low PSA, you have digital rectal exams, you still
Speaker 1: can catch it, but you catch it early. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, you can have no PSAs and no digital
Speaker 1: and you're fine, good to go. So the fact you
Speaker 1: have a low PSA and nothing on the dres, the
Speaker 1: only way to do to cardman if you have it
Speaker 1: or not is through a biopsy, and you don't want
Speaker 1: to go through that unless there's some other indicator. Is
Speaker 1: that true?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, you're put your I love the question because
Speaker 3: you know what we do is we have other tools.
Speaker 3: We start with the screening, you know, the risk factors,
Speaker 3: the family history, the PSA, the exam, but we have
Speaker 3: a lot of other tools, and what's been amazing about
Speaker 3: prostate cancers. We have new imaging tools, so MRI I
Speaker 3: have the prostate for example. We have other non invasive
Speaker 3: tests that we can do to individualize your risk, genetic testing,
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of things that we employ to
Speaker 3: counsel patients. You know, before they make that biopsy decision.
Speaker 3: We don't make that flippantly at all. And then you know,
Speaker 3: even beyond that, ways to image the entire body. There's
Speaker 3: a brand new pet scan it's called a PSM, a
Speaker 3: PET scan that allows us to better identify exactly where
Speaker 3: prostate cancer is. So uh, it's been encouraging not just
Speaker 3: to see how we can better diagnose and manage patients,
Speaker 3: tell them about their risk, but also treat them a
Speaker 3: rapid devio of treatments over the last five to ten years.
Speaker 3: So there really is a message of hope too, not
Speaker 3: just early screening, but even if you do unfortunately get
Speaker 3: a prostate cancer diagnosis, they're excellent treatments available for you, all.
Speaker 1: Right, But in his case, his age, et cetera, it's
Speaker 1: a difficulty. Hi, I like that, wouldn't it be good
Speaker 1: in your profession to have Biden make clear his medical
Speaker 1: records the past five years to put at rest those
Speaker 1: who think I'm doing all the right stuff. If he
Speaker 1: did all the right stuff and this thing erupted after
Speaker 1: January the twentieth, that'd be extremely unusual. But it's possible.
Speaker 1: It's possible. And the nodule could it be the size
Speaker 1: of a grain of sand, or it could be the
Speaker 1: size of a pee? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, and we do these exams, and again it's
Speaker 3: uncommon that we find cancer this way on physical exam.
Speaker 4: But we do.
Speaker 3: And they can be small nodules. Usually the prostate I
Speaker 3: would think it's smooth. And you know, some men actually
Speaker 3: experience just enlargement, so they don't have cancer, but they
Speaker 3: just have an enlarged profitate. So it can be an
Speaker 3: informative test. But yeah, it can just be whatever you
Speaker 3: find a novel, you do definitely got to get a
Speaker 3: BIA scene. That's what sounds like happened in his case.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think he shared with the public
Speaker 3: that cancer affects everybody. That's absolutely true. So you know,
Speaker 3: another thing is just in terms of prostate cancer prevention,
Speaker 3: I always emphasize the importance of healthy lifestyles. You know
Speaker 3: you're asking that, Hey, I'm getting my PSA, I'm getting
Speaker 3: my exam.
Speaker 4: What else can I do?
Speaker 3: There are very basic things about nutrition and exercise and sleep,
Speaker 3: avoiding smoking, other substance use. There are basic things that
Speaker 3: you can do from a men's health perspective to optimize
Speaker 3: your health and and do everything you can to stay
Speaker 3: healthy and happy for your family and to enjoy enjoy life.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll come in again. I'm going to come in
Speaker 1: in September to see doctor Eric Koon. I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell him again about our conversation. Why don't you talk
Speaker 1: to him about the Great American? Tell him the Great
Speaker 1: American once come in earlier got me spooked a little
Speaker 1: bit here because I assume I've got the best medical
Speaker 1: care in the world, and he got stage four metastastic
Speaker 1: cancer and the spread to the bone, and I guess
Speaker 1: he's done everything possible and it's still happened. I need
Speaker 1: more facts. But doctor Stephen Kappa, Eurology Group, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. We'll talk again soon,
Speaker 1: and Doc, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate the time and thank you very much
Speaker 3: for having me on.
Speaker 1: God bless America. Let's continue with more. I think it
Speaker 1: is absolutely incumbent upon Joe Biden to act responsibly and
Speaker 1: to relate precisely the number of times he's ad PSA
Speaker 1: and drees to give us an idea that there's a
Speaker 1: way of helping to diagnosis ahead of time, which is
Speaker 1: not going on, and we get nothing. I like to
Speaker 1: know more information, wouldn't you. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW. Bye Billy Cunningham, the Great
Speaker 1: American Joa and you and I now is doctor Lastmi Somarco,
Speaker 1: Hemna County Corner and doctor Samarco. Welcome again to the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, doctor can you
Speaker 1: tell the American people your preliminary findings and what caused
Speaker 1: the death of Ryan Hinton on May first of this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Willie, thanks for having me on the show. Just
Speaker 5: you know, I had the press conference to make sure
Speaker 5: that the facts were given accurately to the public. So
Speaker 5: he had a soft tissue wound to the left forearm
Speaker 5: and entrance wound and exit wound. Then he had the
Speaker 5: lethal wound was to the side left lateral which is
Speaker 5: the side of the chest. And that did deflect and
Speaker 5: injure one of the ribs and then went traveled through
Speaker 5: the left ventricle and exited near the sternum.
Speaker 1: So, as far as the may I use the term
Speaker 1: kill shot, can you relative to the left armpit, how
Speaker 1: many inches below the left armpit did the bullet enter
Speaker 1: and what part of the body did it exit?
Speaker 5: It didn't, I mean, it's not interesting. So if if
Speaker 5: you were wearing a if he had been wearing a
Speaker 5: bra like a woman, would it would be bralined basically,
Speaker 5: and it exited by the sternum.
Speaker 1: Is there any indication at this point whether there were
Speaker 1: three shots fired or two that hit the body.
Speaker 5: That's a great question. What we do is describe entrance
Speaker 5: and exit wounds, and so there are actually three entrance wounds.
Speaker 5: The reason we don't make a comment about whether it's
Speaker 5: the same bullet or not is we don't know.
Speaker 2: But it is.
Speaker 5: Possible that the left form and left lateral chest wound
Speaker 5: could have been caused by the same bullet. That is possible.
Speaker 1: The videotape shows Ryan Hinton running, so if the arm
Speaker 1: was in the downward position and the right arm in
Speaker 1: the upward position as he was running, it's possible the
Speaker 1: bullet would have entered the forearm as he was running,
Speaker 1: and that the same bullet is the one that went
Speaker 1: through the chest and exit out the startam Is that correct?
Speaker 5: That's yeah, the left form. Yes, that is correct. It's possible.
Speaker 1: What was that bullet recovered?
Speaker 5: No, no, there were only small pieces of it that
Speaker 5: were recovered.
Speaker 2: But no.
Speaker 1: Now, you also made the comment, at least at the
Speaker 1: news conference in the media, that you received the grand
Speaker 1: jury subpoena from the prosecutor's office. It was the first
Speaker 1: time in thirteen years that has happened. Why is that unusual?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you got me. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: the first time I've ever gotten one, So I don't
Speaker 5: I was unaware. In fact, I kind of asked the
Speaker 5: some of the more experienced people that had retired from
Speaker 5: that office in the past, has that ever happened in
Speaker 5: Hamilton County? And one of them, who had been there
Speaker 5: over forty years, said no. So I was not familiar
Speaker 5: with that happening and why, And so I asked that question,
Speaker 5: and like I said, I had to. I canceled it.
Speaker 5: But it was basically in my mind of postponement because
Speaker 5: I just needed to gather the facts and information and
Speaker 5: find out, you know, what was needed and what needed
Speaker 5: to happen. And once I got all my ducks in
Speaker 5: a row to understand what the implications were of the
Speaker 5: grand jury subpoena, and then I and then I also
Speaker 5: found out that some of the preliminary autopsy findings were
Speaker 5: being provided in a public way, not from my office,
Speaker 5: but other offices. And I felt it was important that
Speaker 5: the public care from our office because, as you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, over thirteen years, I have been tried. I
Speaker 5: have tried to be as transparent as possible with the public,
Speaker 5: with the media, and also as factual as we can.
Speaker 5: And I think it's important that the media and the
Speaker 5: public here from me or somebody in my office what
Speaker 5: the findings are, so that we can accurately provide that
Speaker 5: information and answer questions.
Speaker 1: There was a report from Ken Kober, who's had of
Speaker 1: the FOP that he said on this air that the
Speaker 1: anton was shot from the front and the bullets began
Speaker 1: exited from the front of his chest to the back
Speaker 1: of the chest. Is it fair to say your findings
Speaker 1: did not support that.
Speaker 5: That's correct. Our findings did not support that.
Speaker 1: Now there's a report and also from other sides, the
Speaker 1: Cochrane Law firm. I had on mister Wright from the
Speaker 1: Cochrane Law firm. He said he was shot in the back.
Speaker 1: Did your findings find that to be inaccurate?
Speaker 5: The lethal wound was from the left side of the.
Speaker 1: Could the bullet have come from the back, in other words,
Speaker 1: when the officer fired that bullet did not?
Speaker 5: No, because the entrance wound was left lateral chest and
Speaker 5: it exited near the sternam, which is the front of
Speaker 5: the chest. Right, So not that one, all right?
Speaker 1: So in a sense, the head of the police union
Speaker 1: may be wrong, and the Cochrane Law firm may also
Speaker 1: be wrong. If one says it was a front surnam
Speaker 1: to back and the law firm says it was from
Speaker 1: the back, both those indications, if what I said is accurate,
Speaker 1: both of them are wrong.
Speaker 5: When it comes to the lethal wound.
Speaker 1: That is correct. Now, when you mentioned your own counsel,
Speaker 1: there was some reference that your news conference A nine
Speaker 1: and a half that you're getting your own counsel. I
Speaker 1: think the guy's name. I don't want to give out
Speaker 1: his name if it's a matter, but by statute, the
Speaker 1: Coroner's office's lawyer is Connie Pillach the county prosecutor, and
Speaker 1: why would you need your own counsel?
Speaker 5: I consulted somebody to give us some advice because the
Speaker 5: grand jury subpoena that was served was served by the
Speaker 5: prosecutor's office, and in discussing with the prosecutor's office the
Speaker 5: grand jury subpoena and other information that I requested, they
Speaker 5: said that I would They advised that I would need
Speaker 5: to obtain independent counsel because that represented a conflict of
Speaker 5: interest for the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: And you're relying upon the advice not of the prosecutor
Speaker 1: Countie Pillage, but on this independent attorney to persede how
Speaker 1: to PROCEEDE.
Speaker 5: Is that correct as far as the press conference was concerned, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: At this point, has there been a second autopsy requested
Speaker 1: by the Cochrane Law firm.
Speaker 5: Yes, Actually I was aware. I was made aware about
Speaker 5: a week ago or a week and a half ago
Speaker 5: that that had already been perform formed.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's why the body was released for burial
Speaker 1: on Saturday.
Speaker 5: Well, the body was released for burial when we were done,
Speaker 5: So we don't we don't hold the body back if
Speaker 5: we're done with what we need to do. We want
Speaker 5: the family to have the option to as always with
Speaker 5: any case, as soon as we're done doing what we
Speaker 5: need to do for our portion of investigation, we release
Speaker 5: the body to the family so that they can say
Speaker 5: goodbye to their loved ones and take the appropriate measures
Speaker 5: to to make that happen. So we do that as
Speaker 5: quickly as we can for anybody. And what happens to
Speaker 5: the body once they receive the body at the funeral
Speaker 5: home is up to the family. And if the family chose,
Speaker 5: along with their attorney, to have a second autopsy done
Speaker 5: at that time, that's that's their choice to make.
Speaker 1: As far as this other bullet, I think there was
Speaker 1: a third gun shot and that slug was found inside
Speaker 1: the body. Can you tell the American people the course
Speaker 1: of that third gun shot that was located beneath the
Speaker 1: base of the skull.
Speaker 5: Explain that, please, So that was that travel just beneath
Speaker 5: the skin and the entrance wound was the right poster
Speaker 5: a lateral and I you know, right poster a lateral
Speaker 5: portion of the chest and adjacent to the right shoulder,
Speaker 5: So it was in that region and it literally traveled
Speaker 5: right between the right I'm sorry, right beneath the skin,
Speaker 5: and it stayed was just beneath the skin. It didn't
Speaker 5: impact any bones at all.
Speaker 1: Can you say which of the gun shots were fired first?
Speaker 1: Because when I hear the left side like a woman's
Speaker 1: brawl strap, kind of several inches below the armpit. Then
Speaker 1: I hear about this other bullet that hit the right side,
Speaker 1: that indicates to me the body was turning in some sense?
Speaker 1: Am I right about that?
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you what position. I mean, I can
Speaker 5: tell you that the that the lethal wound was from
Speaker 5: the left side, so and like literally the side not
Speaker 5: you know people say was a kind of a little
Speaker 5: bit to the fan, a little bit to the back. No,
Speaker 5: it was directly at the side of the body. So
Speaker 5: that I can tell you as far as which one
Speaker 5: was first and which one was second or third, I
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know which one.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if somebody can take a look
Speaker 5: at that body camera bodycam footage and tell you either,
Speaker 5: because there, I mean, it is moving pretty fast and
Speaker 5: it's really blurry, and I don't know about you, but
Speaker 5: I get a little motion sick, and I mean even
Speaker 5: seeing enough without like oh boy, I can't watch, so
Speaker 5: you know, I think an expert that can go frame
Speaker 5: by frame and maybe isolate some of the sound and
Speaker 5: can do that maybe able to tell, but we can't
Speaker 5: tell which one was first or second.
Speaker 1: So someone would take a laser beam from the end
Speaker 1: of the police officer's weapon and have a straight laser
Speaker 1: beam into the body of Ryan Hinton. The entry room
Speaker 1: that killed him was directly in the side, neither front
Speaker 1: nor back, below the armpit and the left side of
Speaker 1: the chest, and the other wound was in the right
Speaker 1: side of the chest. The bullet came to beneath the
Speaker 1: base of the skull and stopped there. That wasn't the
Speaker 1: kill When I hear about base of the skull, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that's like a kill shot, but you're saying it is.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: It didn't even enter the skull.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was completely just beneath the skin and it was
Speaker 5: below the skull. I was just trying to give a
Speaker 5: position of where the bullet ended up, because we did
Speaker 5: retrieve that bullet, okay.
Speaker 1: But as far as the kill shot, it was directly
Speaker 1: in the side, which would indicate that when Ryan Hinton
Speaker 1: was shot, the officer was to the side and not
Speaker 1: to the front of the back.
Speaker 5: That's the way the bullet traveled. It was directly to
Speaker 5: the side.
Speaker 1: Where does your investigation go from here? Are you completely
Speaker 1: done at this point?
Speaker 5: No, We actually have a couple more lab tests that
Speaker 5: we're waiting on just to be complete. And when everything
Speaker 5: is put together, everything we finalize, the death certificate will
Speaker 5: be final certificate will be signed, and that'll be the
Speaker 5: end of that. So you know, as far as what
Speaker 5: percentage of the investigation do we have left, probably less
Speaker 5: than ninety percent. Most of it's already been done, but
Speaker 5: we're always complete on looking for as I said in
Speaker 5: the press conference, as a service to Hamilton County residents
Speaker 5: and to the family of the victims, we're pretty thorough
Speaker 5: and looking at all the other parts of the body
Speaker 5: to see if maybe there's some sort of genetic disease
Speaker 5: or something that we need to inform them about, or
Speaker 5: if there were other medical issues that that person had.
Speaker 5: We try and be complete to give them all the information.
Speaker 1: Did you find any illegal drugs in Ryan Hinton's body?
Speaker 5: Well, that's still toxicology, and that's still even though some
Speaker 5: of it's come back, not all of it's comeback is the.
Speaker 1: Part that's comeback indicating he had illegal drugs in his body.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to talk about it right now, Willie,
Speaker 5: because we still have other things pending and I don't
Speaker 5: want to keep going back and forth on the information.
Speaker 5: Let's just wait until we get everything, Okay.
Speaker 1: Can you discuss that all the gun itself, was it
Speaker 1: in the right hand of Ryan Hinton? Do you know
Speaker 1: from any of your work whether the gun was in
Speaker 1: the right hand at the time he was shot.
Speaker 5: We don't have any of that information. We you know,
Speaker 5: as far as if you're looking for a gunshot residue
Speaker 5: and whatnot. As I explained in the press conference, just
Speaker 5: the fact that he was shot could cause him to
Speaker 5: have gunshot residue on a skin surface, So that wouldn't
Speaker 5: be a definitive indicator of whether he had a gun
Speaker 5: in his hand or not. And if you know, and
Speaker 5: I think you know this already, I mean, the presence
Speaker 5: of gun guntrot residue doesn't necessarily indicate whether even somebody
Speaker 5: pulled the trigger, right, I mean that there's a certain
Speaker 5: distribution if if a shooter pulls the trigger. But just
Speaker 5: the fact that there may be gunshot residue anywhere on
Speaker 5: the body or clothing doesn't necessarily mean that they pulled it.
Speaker 5: They could just be near somebody that was shooting, or
Speaker 5: you know, within a closer vicinity so that it sprays
Speaker 5: out on them and you know, and if you're a
Speaker 5: victim that's been shot, of course there's going to be
Speaker 5: gunshot residue, So it's not a good indicator.
Speaker 1: Did you find any NITRATEE or gunshot resnue on the
Speaker 1: body of Ryan Hinton?
Speaker 5: No, that's another thing I would have to ask for
Speaker 5: our firearms guys about or trace evidence guys, because I
Speaker 5: haven't looked into that. I was simply presenting autopsy findings.
Speaker 1: Now, how many feet was Ryan Hinton when he was
Speaker 1: sent by the kill shot from the origination of the shot?
Speaker 1: Was it five feet ten feet twenty?
Speaker 5: Would would not be able to tell you. That would
Speaker 5: be something that I wouldn't be able to tell you.
Speaker 5: And if the pathologists can can say that, nobody asked
Speaker 5: him that question that I'm aware of, because I wasn't
Speaker 5: given that information.
Speaker 1: So as far as the right hand of Ryan Hinton,
Speaker 1: there was no indication that Ryan Hinton had far at
Speaker 1: any weapon.
Speaker 5: Is that fair to say, I don't know that. I
Speaker 5: don't know what the GSR GSR results were on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, And when will you have the toxicology report complete.
Speaker 5: About Well, hopefully we'll have most of the stuff complete
Speaker 5: by this week, would.
Speaker 1: Say, within seven within seven days, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would think so. Yeah, And I still have
Speaker 5: to I'll still have to check with our tree seven
Speaker 5: in section as far as if we did any GSR
Speaker 5: collection and what that showed.
Speaker 1: That's as gunshot residue is GSR correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, doctor Samarco, thank you. I have I
Speaker 1: not asked you a question I should have.
Speaker 5: That's your job, Willy, a great job. But you know what,
Speaker 5: I do want to say something, you know, because I
Speaker 5: think you and I have discussed this before. I think
Speaker 5: the events of the last few days really make it
Speaker 5: apparent why it's so important for corners to be independently
Speaker 5: elected in the great state of Ohio. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: exactly these kind of situations where you want your corner
Speaker 5: to be independently elected and empowered to be able to
Speaker 5: speak to the people and give them provide the factual
Speaker 5: information to the people.
Speaker 7: This is relatable.
Speaker 1: It's about a month ago the House of Representatives and
Speaker 1: Columbus passed a bill that eliminated the county corners offices
Speaker 1: put them under the auspices of county commissioners. And everyone
Speaker 1: I've spoken to about that said, don't do it. And
Speaker 1: this is a perfect example as why not to do it.
Speaker 1: You don't represent the prosecutor, you don't represent county commissioners,
Speaker 1: you represent an independent body elected by the people directly.
Speaker 1: Is that the point you're making.
Speaker 5: That's exactly the point I'm making, And that's why I
Speaker 5: asked everybody to. Senator Bill Bluffing has authored an amendment
Speaker 5: to remove that language and keep the corners elected in
Speaker 5: the state of Ohio, and he's putting that in front
Speaker 5: of the Senate for their vote, and I encourage everybody
Speaker 5: to get in touch with their state senators to please
Speaker 5: find on that or to support his amendment.
Speaker 1: All right, Doctor Somarco, thank you, And you waited to
Speaker 1: have it to you got independent lawyer advice and to proceed,
Speaker 1: and you're proceeding, I guess over the objection of the
Speaker 1: county prosecutor.
Speaker 5: Is that fair to say, well, I'm proceeding after I've
Speaker 5: been given advice that I can proceed and I think
Speaker 5: it's important for our public to have the information from
Speaker 5: our office, directly from our office.
Speaker 1: You don't work for nobody but the American people.
Speaker 5: I work for the people of Hamilton County.
Speaker 1: Doctor lastmy Somarco.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Thank you, Willie.
Speaker 1: I love all right, let's continue, wow, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. I'm holding these statements of Cincinnati police saying
Speaker 1: that this was justified shooting, which I certainly believe is
Speaker 1: the case, but it appears not to be the case.
Speaker 1: That the officer shot Ryan Hinton directly in front of
Speaker 1: him in the chest, starting him in the back. It
Speaker 1: appears likely at this point that Ryan Hinton did not
Speaker 1: have in his right hand the so called nine millimeter.
Speaker 1: The picture has shown it appeared he did not have it.
Speaker 1: But let's see what develops later. It's still, to my way,
Speaker 1: a justified shooting. And in fact, the county prosecutor, County Pillage,
Speaker 1: said on Friday with me on the air, that she
Speaker 1: has seen nothing to indicate that it was a bad shooting,
Speaker 1: and she has seen all the videotape available. There's only one,
Speaker 1: by the way, only the officer doing the shooting. Body
Speaker 1: camp it's only one available. And Connie Pillage said on Friday,
Speaker 1: she's seen nothing to indicate that a crime was committed
Speaker 1: by the police, and I assume she's sticking with that
Speaker 1: because she has seen the videotape. Now she is the
Speaker 1: autopsy results which seemed to indicate that Ryan Hinton was
Speaker 1: shot from the side and not the front or the
Speaker 1: back from the side. Let's continue, Bill Cunningham, News Radio
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. Let's continue now, Billy Cunningham and break
Speaker 1: the news happening there, here, there and everywhere. And first
Speaker 1: of all, on the shooting of Ryan Hinton, there's nothing
Speaker 1: anyone in law enforcement is seen up to this point
Speaker 1: to indicate it was may use the term of bad shooting.
Speaker 1: There's contradicting pieces of factual evidence that may be given
Speaker 1: by a police officer and the horrid circumstances of the
Speaker 1: moment that he doesn't accurately perceive everything simultaneously, and to
Speaker 1: go back in time a little bit, the police officer
Speaker 1: at the critical moment after the words gun, gun, gun,
Speaker 1: or heard on the body camp. It's a life and
Speaker 1: death struggle, life and death situation when an assailant, when
Speaker 1: a criminal illegally possesses a gun and is fleeing from police.
Speaker 1: It would take less than a quarter of a second
Speaker 1: to take the gun from the right hand into a
Speaker 1: shooting position and shoot the police officer or other cops
Speaker 1: or other civilians. I think that the Ryan Hinton camp
Speaker 1: is going to seize on the idea that he was
Speaker 1: not shot from the front or either from the side.
Speaker 1: In fact, he wasn't shot in the front or the back.
Speaker 1: He was shot in the side. Doctor Somarco said, if
Speaker 1: you can envision a woman's brawl under her left arm pit,
Speaker 1: about four or five inches, the bullet entered in that area,
Speaker 1: which is lateral on the side, and exited kind of
Speaker 1: out the right side of the sternam taking with it
Speaker 1: part of the heart. So he was a man. I
Speaker 1: used the term a kill shot. And Ryan Hinton was
Speaker 1: dead shortly after the bullet entered his heart and destroyed
Speaker 1: it and came out the right side. And that bullet
Speaker 1: was never located and somewhere in the woods. And the
Speaker 1: other bullet appears to be a circumstance. That was a
Speaker 1: flesh wound and it was located inside the body at
Speaker 1: the base of the skull on the neck, but that
Speaker 1: wasn't a critical wound because it was under the skin
Speaker 1: as it transverse from left to right. Now, I spoke
Speaker 1: off the air to Michael Wright, who's the civil attorney
Speaker 1: for the Cochrane Law firm. He's going to come on
Speaker 1: tomorrow after he has more time to listen to doctor Somarco.
Speaker 1: The civil attorney heard about five minutes of the interview,
Speaker 1: and he said he would rather wait until he listens
Speaker 1: to the entire Somacher interview and digests the coroner's report
Speaker 1: before commenting on it publicly. They're going to seize on
Speaker 1: the fact that there may have been some misstatements made
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment by Cincinnati police dedicate
Speaker 1: that there was a gun pointed at the officer, and
Speaker 1: that may not be the case. According to this statement
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati Police, from the Fugitive Apprehension Squad was investigating
Speaker 1: a stolen car near East Price Hill. When the officers
Speaker 1: approached the stolen car, forced suspects jumped out of the
Speaker 1: car and ran. One of the suspects pulled a semi
Speaker 1: automatic handgun and pointed it at an officer. That officer
Speaker 1: fired his weapon, hitting the suspect. The armed suspect was
Speaker 1: deceased and no officers were injured, and Ken Kober as
Speaker 1: a good man, went on to say police officers around
Speaker 1: the country are trained to defend their lives and use
Speaker 1: deadly force when a suspect points a gun at them.
Speaker 1: While no officer wants to be forced to use deadly force,
Speaker 1: every Cincinnati police officer wants to make it home to
Speaker 1: their families at the end of the shift. And those
Speaker 1: words were repeated by Chief of Police Teresa Thiji. It
Speaker 1: appears at this point very unlikely that a gun held
Speaker 1: by Ryan Hinton was pointed at Cincinnati police. The videotape
Speaker 1: shows maybe the gun in the right hand, but maybe not.
Speaker 1: When you do it's frame by frame, an expert forensic
Speaker 1: officer told me it was likely that Ryan Hinton did
Speaker 1: not have in his right hand the gun at the
Speaker 1: moment he was shot, but he picked it up twice before.
Speaker 1: Maybe he dropped it at his side, maybe a split
Speaker 1: second before he was shot. And I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know these events here we sit what ten days later.
Speaker 1: The events took place on May first, it's now May nineteenth,
Speaker 1: It's been nineteen days and we sit here and we
Speaker 1: frame by frame, millisecond by millisecond, evaluate and put ourselves
Speaker 1: in the shoes of that police officer, and then go
Speaker 1: back nice and slow and react what he could have done,
Speaker 1: what he should have done, what he might have done
Speaker 1: instead of what he did. In a similar circumstance, when
Speaker 1: you he's ad a vehicle and your service weapon is
Speaker 1: not drawn because you're chasing someone, a fellow officer yells, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun.
Speaker 2: What do you got?
Speaker 1: You know, what do you got? A life and death situation.
Speaker 1: He was not shot in the back as some have claimed.
Speaker 1: He was not shot in the front as some have claimed.
Speaker 1: He was shot in the side. That's the that's the proof,
Speaker 1: and uh, in a similar circumstance, I can't say the
Speaker 1: officer made a mistake. How long would it have it taken?
Speaker 1: He perceived the gun in the right hand, I've been
Speaker 1: told likely the gun was not in the right hand
Speaker 1: at the point Ryan Hinton was shot. Heady dropped it again.
Speaker 1: There's lots of photos of the gun on the on
Speaker 1: the pavement, and there was a round in the chamber.
Speaker 1: It had an extended mag and when I asked questions
Speaker 1: of the coroner about toxic college reports or whether this
Speaker 1: gunshot residue, which any indicates the distance the bullet traveled
Speaker 1: as an exit a The police officer's gone that we
Speaker 1: don't get answers, as she said, within a week we
Speaker 1: have toxicology. So uh this uh on still the fears
Speaker 1: of some and enraged the fears and others. Michael Wright,
Speaker 1: who I spoke to twice in the last twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: sees the civil attorney the Cochrane Law firm representing the
Speaker 1: Ryan Hitton family says he's got great concerns about whether
Speaker 1: this was a good shooting or not. I call it
Speaker 1: justified or unjustified, since the death of anyone is normally bad.
Speaker 1: So according to the right Michael Wright and the Cochrane
Speaker 1: Law Firm, it's it's going to be an unjustified shooting,
Speaker 1: and according to police, it's going to be a justified shooting. However,
Speaker 1: the original statements of Chief Thiji and the FOP through
Speaker 1: the mouth of the shooting officer fact actually may not
Speaker 1: be completely accurate. To be kind, did the officer perceive
Speaker 1: a gun was pointed at him? If the answer is yes,
Speaker 1: it's justified. Was there a gun pointed at the officer
Speaker 1: doesn't appear, so could he perceive something that's inaccurate. Hell,
Speaker 1: I do that all the time, But my decisions are
Speaker 1: not life and death. I got a large dump button
Speaker 1: right there. Should I use it more than I use it? Probably?
Speaker 1: But at the moment when a bad word is said,
Speaker 1: do I reach for the dump button and hit it?
Speaker 1: As I'm processing what was said, I have about six
Speaker 1: seconds to make a decision, dump it or not dump it.
Speaker 1: I often make a mistake when I don't dump it.
Speaker 1: Hardly ever, make a mistake when I do dump it.
Speaker 1: In fact, in my decades here, I think I've hit
Speaker 1: the dump button once in my entire life. So I
Speaker 1: when I don't hit the dump button or hit the
Speaker 1: dump button, people aren't dead. When a police officer makes
Speaker 1: a life and debt decision at that moment, I'm going
Speaker 1: to portum ninety nine percent of the time until I'm
Speaker 1: shown he committed some criminal act. And in this case,
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage, how many county prosecutors said to me on
Speaker 1: Friday and our heir to you? Up to this point,
Speaker 1: she sees nothing to indicate this case should be presented
Speaker 1: to a grand jury for possible indictment of the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Police officer. She has seen nothing, and she has seen
Speaker 1: the entire videotape. There's only one we now know. There's
Speaker 1: not four or three or two. There's nothing from this
Speaker 1: so called condo. There's one videotape and she's seen it
Speaker 1: frame by frame by frame as of Friday. Friday was
Speaker 1: what the sixteenth of May, which is sixteen days after
Speaker 1: the event, and the body cam was available the next
Speaker 1: day that was shown to Hinton Senor that resulted in
Speaker 1: the murder of Larry Henderson. So I pray to God
Speaker 1: that justice has served. I pray to God that Connie
Speaker 1: Pillage will do what should be done, which does not
Speaker 1: present this case to the grand jury. Now why do
Speaker 1: I say that, Well, if you've heard Connie Pillage has
Speaker 1: said it and Rob Sanders have said it, they both
Speaker 1: said the same thing. It is our ethical duty as
Speaker 1: prosecutors not to present a case to the grand jury
Speaker 1: for possible indictment unless we firmly believe that a crime
Speaker 1: was committed, that the person being charged committed that crime.
Speaker 1: And Connie Pillage said on Friday, I've seen nothing to
Speaker 1: this point to indicate that a crime has been committed
Speaker 1: by the police officer. There you go, and we're going
Speaker 1: to find out later who took the picks of the
Speaker 1: of the gun that was on the pavement. We know
Speaker 1: he picked it up at least twice, once in the
Speaker 1: car to run with twice when he dropped it, pick
Speaker 1: it up again. Cops are yelling gun, gun, gun. The
Speaker 1: heart's beating about one hundred and fifty times a minute.
Speaker 1: The gun is drawn, he flashes and sees a person
Speaker 1: running between two metal dumpsters, and he makes his split
Speaker 1: second decision to fire his weapon four or five times.
Speaker 1: The corner cannot say whether it was two shots fired
Speaker 1: or three shots fired, and that hit the body. The
Speaker 1: one the kill shot could have been through the left forearm,
Speaker 1: into the left side of the chest, and then out
Speaker 1: the right side of the chest. That was the kill shot,
Speaker 1: because that shot went through a rib, went through the
Speaker 1: heart and killed him almost instantaneously. And here we are
Speaker 1: second guessing, almost three weeks later, what he could have done,
Speaker 1: what he should have done should he not fire the weapon.
Speaker 1: If he didn't fire it, and he perceived that the
Speaker 1: gun was in his right hand, gun, gun, gun, it
Speaker 1: would take a quarter of a second for Ryan Hinton
Speaker 1: to take that weapon pointed at the cop and fire
Speaker 1: many shots. And here we sit and analyzing this frame
Speaker 1: by frame, second by second, millisecond by millisecond to determine
Speaker 1: what the cop did, what he should have done, what
Speaker 1: he said, what he shouldn't have said. And here we're
Speaker 1: going to sit for a while and wait for the
Speaker 1: toxicology report, which is not going to be dispositive of
Speaker 1: the issue anyway. Whether he was high or not high,
Speaker 1: had marijuana or something else in the system, is not
Speaker 1: going to be particularly germane sure whether the officer should
Speaker 1: have shot him or not, because you can't shoot somebody
Speaker 1: free of drugs anymore. They can shoot somebody with drugs
Speaker 1: in their body. An officer at that time did not know.
Speaker 1: He knew he had to shoot to protect his life.
Speaker 1: That was his perception, and perception sometimes is grounded in reality.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it isn't, but isn't a reasonable perception. Even if
Speaker 1: the reasonable perception is wrong, it's a justified shooting because
Speaker 1: you have to put yourself in the shoes of that
Speaker 1: police officer who had that split second decision to make
Speaker 1: to save his life and the lives of his fellow officers.
Speaker 1: There were many there, as many as four or five.
Speaker 1: He had to shoot he thought in his mind he
Speaker 1: perceived a threat and he acted to eliminate the threat.
Speaker 1: The perception, even if the perception is wrong and Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton did not have possession of the gun in his
Speaker 1: right hand, if it was reasonable to presume the officer
Speaker 1: believed if perception was right, then it's a justified shooting.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: And I would anticipate that County pillage. The county prosecutor
Speaker 1: will not submit a case to the grand jury of
Speaker 1: Hamley County unless she firmly believes a crime was committed.
Speaker 1: You don't want some runaway grand jury indicting and causing
Speaker 1: real havoc because if this is determined to be an
Speaker 1: unjustified shooting, there's going to be near riotous conditions among
Speaker 1: law enforcement in this community. You can't put a cop
Speaker 1: in that situation and say we're not going to stand
Speaker 1: with you. Did he perceived a threat and did he
Speaker 1: eliminate it? Yes, if his perception was wrong, but it
Speaker 1: was reasonably right at the time, then that is a
Speaker 1: justified shooting. Can you smell what I'm cooking? I perceive
Speaker 1: things differently in reality all the time in my life,
Speaker 1: and if I'm reasonable to assume that a person with
Speaker 1: a gun, fellow officer yelling gun gun, gun, has a
Speaker 1: split second running in between the dumpsters. That officer perceived
Speaker 1: a threat and he eliminated the threat to himself and
Speaker 1: to his fellow officers. Those are the facts. Well, let's
Speaker 1: continue if a line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand or pounds seven hundredth the new eight and
Speaker 1: T and I'm not touched on yet, Seemingly the lies
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden and the medical report from Walter Reed.
Speaker 1: In February of twenty twenty three, the White House released
Speaker 1: a medical summary from Walter Reed, declaring President Bind quote
Speaker 1: a healthy, vigorous, eighty year old male. They document noted
Speaker 1: minor ailments sleep apnea, acid reflex and neuropathy in his feet,
Speaker 1: but assured us there was no cause for concern, And
Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty four, they essentially said the
Speaker 1: same thing, fit for duty. What did Biden know and
Speaker 1: when did he know it about having stage four prostate
Speaker 1: cancer that had metastasized to his bones. I mean he
Speaker 1: was our president through January the twentieth, having touched on that. Yet,
Speaker 1: we'll do it later. He's got a glease in score
Speaker 1: of nine, which indicates the cancer had been there for years.
Speaker 1: When did he lie and when didn't he lie? Oh,
Speaker 1: let's continue. I just feel for this police officer who's
Speaker 1: going to go through a living hell the next few
Speaker 1: years essentially doing his job. But tomorrow I want to
Speaker 1: hear from the other side. You can decide yourself. We've
Speaker 1: scheduled Michael Wright to be here from the Cochrane Law firm,
Speaker 1: who represents the estate of Ryan Hinton. He's going to
Speaker 1: review the autopsy findings, review the comments of doctor Lastmi.
Speaker 1: So Marco with you and I about half about an
Speaker 1: hour ago, and then come on to talk about his
Speaker 1: perception of what he sees on this shooting by Cincinnati police.
Speaker 1: Let's continue. Whenever stop, we simply continue. The reds that
Speaker 1: are streaking like crazy on news radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 6: And guess what the first frost You know what was happening.
Speaker 6: You had to put on the windshield wipers to get
Speaker 6: literally the oil slick off the window. That's why I
Speaker 6: had so damn any other people I grew up have
Speaker 6: cancer and why camp For the longest time, Delaware had
Speaker 6: the highest cancer rate in the nation.
Speaker 7: Hello, quiet and i'm scos, I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 1: According to experts, there was little oil slicks on windshields
Speaker 1: and Delaware. Secondly, Delaware never had the highest cancer rates
Speaker 1: in America. And number three is no idea what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. Number four, he has stage four prostate cancer
Speaker 1: with the glease in the score of nine. And this
Speaker 1: was president in his body months if not years during
Speaker 1: the presidency, and he kept it quiet. Seg, would you
Speaker 1: care to respond to any of this. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: truth will set us free. Willie, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: hope for the you know, hope the best for the president.
Speaker 1: According to my doctors, I just had one on an
Speaker 1: hour and a half ago, he's got less than a
Speaker 1: thirty percent chance to live five years. And he was
Speaker 1: president until January of this year, and he kept it secret.
Speaker 1: If this was oh, if this was this was Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: he'd be impeached for the fifth time, right, and the
Speaker 1: Democrats will circle wagons and say nothing here, right, and
Speaker 1: nothing here? And when he was lying repeatedly droughout his
Speaker 1: whole presidency. Let the truth set you free. Can you
Speaker 1: just tell the truth. No, you gotta do sake. Secondly,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. Okay, what about the
Speaker 1: Reds that you were down on? I told you to
Speaker 1: stay up. I told you they were going to sweep
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Speaker 8: Door first sweep Of cleveland AT gabp since twenty, twelve
Speaker 8: fourth win in a row twenty and twenty four now
Speaker 8: on the, season four and two in the Homestand benson
Speaker 8: belts a home run for his fourth game in a,
Speaker 8: row about five in the last four.
Speaker 1: Games bring them. Up Andrew abbatt tossed a five shutout,
Speaker 1: innings keep him, up and then the. Bullpen how about?
Speaker 1: THAT i be kicking you know? What talking nasty. Boys
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Speaker 1: Tonight and then what About Brett soui or the man Of?
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Speaker 8: Weekend aren't they a good? TEAM i would say? So
Speaker 8: then this weekend in town are The?
Speaker 1: Cubs? Yeah your response to? That bring them On.
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Speaker 8: year The Ohio Cup.
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Speaker 8: Fourteen now they got they're In Cleveland june ninth through the,
Speaker 8: eleventh one, win they get their first trophy of the.
Speaker 8: Year In october they'll get their. Second how about that?
Speaker 8: Segment reds are in The pittsburgh. Tonight willie right there
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Speaker 4: With with The.
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Speaker 1: Phillies in, fact yesterday they had their Star Olivia dunn's
Speaker 1: boyfriend going. Well The reds miss him. Again that's two
Speaker 1: series in a row they've missed a big. Scheme he
Speaker 1: lost one.
Speaker 8: Zip, Also, willie let's see you mentioned The Hunter. Green
Speaker 8: he threw a bullpen. SESSION i believe it Was. Saturday
Speaker 8: let's hear it felt. Good looks like another bullpen session
Speaker 8: coming up In pittsburgh and then probably out on a
Speaker 8: rehab assignment To losville and then.
Speaker 1: Back so maybe this weekend against The cubbies at, home
Speaker 1: it could.
Speaker 4: Be let's.
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Speaker 8: courts The Baden, rams The lady of the twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: RIGHT i don't know if they do or. NOT i don't.
Speaker 8: Know softball, news congrats To williamsburg Coach Rick, healy remember?
Speaker 8: Him we went out there to, uh uh play that?
Speaker 8: Won uh the lady pitcher that we hit the ball.
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Speaker 8: the tenth time and less for the tenth time in eleven.
Speaker 8: Years Coach healy is the SP Aac National Division coach
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Speaker 8: race in The All Star race, There what About Scotty.
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Speaker 8: FRIDAY i don't. Know he was like eight shots back Of.
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Speaker 1: Stuff see you.
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Speaker 8: what was that that he played for The Wannamaker trophy? Yesterday,
Speaker 8: okay why don't they attach the top of? It i'm
Speaker 8: thinking so when he picks it, up it doesn't like
Speaker 8: hit him in the, head hit him, out put something
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Speaker 1: if that hits him in the, head he'll be? Out?
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Speaker 8: Out, Also, Willie we want to say That United Dairy
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Speaker 1: Geronimo we celebrate the past better than anyone in. History
Speaker 1: one in doubt will about once, again can we have
Speaker 1: something today that in fifty years the youth will now
Speaker 1: celebrate fifty years from now the greatness of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Five reds like in nineteen seventy. Five one in,
Speaker 1: doubt wheel am? Out how about now doing. Something so
Speaker 1: in fifty years from, now you AND i may not be.
Speaker 1: Here in twenty seventy, five they'll be, saying one in
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Speaker 1: out because we do that better than. Anyone would you
Speaker 1: agree that's for an. Expert it's celebrating the.
Speaker 8: Past, WELL i THINK i think they're going to celebrate.
Speaker 8: THAT i think The reds and we got to in
Speaker 8: a future, promotion are going to celebrate the fiftieth anniversion half.
Speaker 1: The when's That? JUNE i Guess, june, yes and then
Speaker 1: we're going to be at The Bristol Motor speedway the
Speaker 1: second Of august Of august got to bring him, out
Speaker 1: and then next year you got seventy Six reds celebrate
Speaker 1: fifty years later in twenty twenty, six one in doubt
Speaker 1: wheel them. Out we're going to celebrate that nineteen NINETY
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty, one in, doubt wheel them. Out Got, larkin Got,
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Speaker 1: browning wheel them all. Out how about doing something today
Speaker 1: that in forty or fifty years that we're going to
Speaker 1: have celebration when young listeners are old and you AND
Speaker 1: i are in the. Ground, correct good idea or, Not
Speaker 1: we'll see what. HAPPENS i don't. Know, well we're having
Speaker 1: to celebrate something in what thirty five? Years is it?
Speaker 1: Time it's been a, while thirty five?
Speaker 8: Years, well maybe let's see The bengels will get in
Speaker 8: The Super bowl by then win it. All maybe The
Speaker 8: reds will be At World stare, again and THEN Fc
Speaker 8: cincinnati with THE Mls.
Speaker 1: Cup what About xavier winning all of The big show
Speaker 1: and you see winning in college? Football, now wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be something in the same. Year this would be the
Speaker 1: city of. Champions it was The reds used to have
Speaker 1: the highest payroll in baseball right, now.
Speaker 4: Well they got to do.
Speaker 1: THAT i, mean don't get me started on. That, well
Speaker 1: ALL i can, say how do you pay somebody for
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars payroll every? Year and how About
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Speaker 1: Exactly say get me out of the studge. Reports coming
Speaker 1: up after two o'clock today is the GREAT Us Congressman
Speaker 1: Warren davidson about the deal deal In washington that isn't
Speaker 1: much of a deal at, all a deal deal Segment.
Speaker 8: Willie on This, Monday may the, nineteenth we say happy
Speaker 8: birthday to the one and Only TUCKER.
Speaker 1: Bb And fiona's daddy is twenty two years.
Speaker 2: Old.
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Speaker 8: cunning in The Grandon.
Speaker 1: Maryon of, course we offer sympathies to The biden family
Speaker 1: for the announcement that he's contracted stage four prostate, cancer
Speaker 1: which is A, uh which is difficult diagnosis in your.
Speaker 1: EIGHTIES i can't imagine. WHY i like to know politically
Speaker 1: and culturally and also medically what's happened the past several.
Speaker 1: Years most of us older guys tend to have these
Speaker 1: exams on a regular, Basis so maybe it was, missed
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't, missed but it's a caution to us
Speaker 1: all to make sure we have PSA's done and also
Speaker 1: drees which are uncomfortable digital rectal, exams and have other
Speaker 1: blood tests. DONE i would assume that Ex President Joe
Speaker 1: biden had that done WITHOUT, uh without depicting it until.
Speaker 1: Recently and we'll see what happens down the. Road but
Speaker 1: joining us now Is Warren, Davidson, congressman one of the
Speaker 1: leaders of THE uh of The house Of, representatives And Rismond.
Speaker 1: Davidson welcome again to The Bill Cunningham. Show AND i,
Speaker 1: First i'm sure you joined me in offering help and
Speaker 1: sympathies to The abiden family for this.
Speaker 9: Diagnosis, yeah it's wonderful to join, You, Bill and it
Speaker 9: is tragic to hear About Joe. Biden an he won't
Speaker 9: stage four. Cancer that's a tough diagnosis at any. Age and,
Speaker 9: certainly you, know just, knowing you, Know Joe biden didn't
Speaker 9: seem to be in great health as he was, president
Speaker 9: and frankly as he was in his waning days as.
Speaker 9: President and this is obviously tough news for even a
Speaker 9: guy THAT i didn't particularly care.
Speaker 1: FOR i certainly wouldn't want him stuff not like. That,
Speaker 1: no politics is one, thing health is. Another and hope
Speaker 1: he lives a long and productive life and post. Presidency in,
Speaker 1: FACT i wish he never had become the, president but
Speaker 1: that's a different. Issue BUT i wish him and his
Speaker 1: family well in the. Future but, nonetheless there's a sense
Speaker 1: now that The Budget committee is going to pass out
Speaker 1: and the legislation onto The Rules, committee which is going
Speaker 1: to happen On. WEDNESDAY i could ask you what took so?
Speaker 1: Long there were four or five originally voted. No now
Speaker 1: THAT i, understand the vote's going to be. Yes but
Speaker 1: the big thing's going to be The Rules committee On,
Speaker 1: wednesday and then The house will VOTE i guess later
Speaker 1: on in the month Of, may because you're looking forward
Speaker 1: To Memorial. Day can you tell us you don't know
Speaker 1: yet how you're going to. VOTE i would, assume because
Speaker 1: you have to see the final. Package but one thing
Speaker 1: that's upset many real conservatives is borrowing another four trillion.
Speaker 1: Dollars moody's just downgraded On. Friday THE us dead again after,
Speaker 1: downgrading AND i think in twenty eleven it went down.
Speaker 1: Again that's a bad. Sign and the four trillion dollars
Speaker 1: of new money being, borrowed Isn't that's a tough pill
Speaker 1: for many to, swallow Including Representative roy In. Texas but,
Speaker 1: nonetheless do you have confidence that sometime later this month
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill is going to pass or?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 4: YEAH i, mean great. Questions it's been top of mind
Speaker 4: for a long. Time you.
Speaker 9: Know WHEN i was home Over easter, break everyone was, like, yeah,
Speaker 9: well it's good to see, you but where's the?
Speaker 4: Bill you, know people have been waiting for this. Thing
Speaker 4: it's been.
Speaker 9: Promised because you put so much of The president's agenda
Speaker 9: into this one big. BILL i will Say, FRIDAY i
Speaker 9: was thanking the four guys who voted, no because it.
Speaker 4: Really does need to get.
Speaker 9: BETTER i, mean you wonder, like, well why would you
Speaker 9: guys need to raise the dent? Ceiling, well if you
Speaker 9: cut taxes and increase, spending well you're gonna have to
Speaker 9: raise the dent. Ceiling it seems like really basic, math,
Speaker 9: right you get less revenue and you get more. Spending
Speaker 9: of course there's gonna be. Debt and that's basically what
Speaker 9: The big bill did On. Friday when they were looking
Speaker 9: at it On, friday it, said, well we're gonna cut.
Speaker 9: Taxes we're gonna do that right, away and then we're
Speaker 9: gonna get around to cutting. Spending, well, like how far
Speaker 9: out are you gonna cut? Spending, well, like the future
Speaker 9: congresses are gonna cut. Spending but see what we're gonna
Speaker 9: do is we're gonna spend a little. More and you're, like,
Speaker 9: WELL i, mean it's better to promise that some future
Speaker 9: congress is going to cut spending than not. To but,
Speaker 9: frankly we can't even guarantee who's going to be in
Speaker 9: a Future, congress let alone that they're going to follow
Speaker 9: through and deliver the actual.
Speaker 4: Cuts what we can control is what we're voting on right.
Speaker 9: Now and so you, know my understanding is that there's
Speaker 9: been enough commitments made that it is going to wind
Speaker 9: up in a better, place you.
Speaker 4: Know but by the time it goes To Rules committee On.
Speaker 4: Wednesday and so my hope is it's SOMETHING i can vote.
Speaker 9: For but if it's if who thinks that the president
Speaker 9: promised to deliver more?
Speaker 4: SPENDING i.
Speaker 9: DIDN'T i, MEAN i think the whole point Of doge
Speaker 9: is we're going to cut. Spending SO i think that's
Speaker 9: the question is if this isn't all the, cuts where
Speaker 9: are the? Cuts and that's a QUESTION i think not
Speaker 9: just members Of congress one, answered our constituents one. Answered
Speaker 9: and they're going to be mad at us if we
Speaker 9: vote for, it if they don't get good. Answers they
Speaker 9: want less.
Speaker 1: Government and if we had the same level of federal
Speaker 1: spending as in the year of twenty, twenty, now twenty
Speaker 1: twenty wasn't exactly the Dark. Ages if we have the
Speaker 1: same federal spence as we had in twenty, twenty we'd
Speaker 1: have a balanced budget right. Now but the explosion should
Speaker 1: have a.
Speaker 4: Surplus, yeah we'd have a.
Speaker 1: Surplus explain that to The american.
Speaker 9: People, well, look prior TO, covid you, know we were
Speaker 9: spending the year prior TO, covid we spend like four
Speaker 9: point six four point eight trillion dollars right, well right
Speaker 9: now we have over five trillion in. Revenue it wasn't
Speaker 9: like we had a small government back. Then but what's
Speaker 9: happened is they've loaded not not just like the one
Speaker 9: time spending ON, covid but structurally just higher levels on
Speaker 9: everything that have. Increased and you, know a lot of
Speaker 9: this came through with the you, Know Biden. Plan they
Speaker 9: put all these reforms in that grew spending and accelerated
Speaker 9: the growth, rate and all that government money going into the,
Speaker 9: economy it helped drive. Inflation and when you spend more
Speaker 9: money than you have and you pour it into the,
Speaker 9: economy it causes. Inflation and that is is a. Tax
Speaker 9: you think about your value of your. House if you
Speaker 9: own a, house think of the value of your. House
Speaker 9: and if you don't own, one in your, renting you, think,
Speaker 9: well my rent went.
Speaker 4: Up by this. MUCH i know the value of the
Speaker 4: Property i'm, saying and surely went up.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 9: WELL i think If congress passed a tax of that
Speaker 9: kind of, price or your food when you go, out
Speaker 9: or you, know you think five dollars foot longs are
Speaker 9: like twelve dollars right. NOW i think if we put
Speaker 9: a five dollars tax on foot longs that, subway people
Speaker 9: would be, like, oh you guys got to. Go but
Speaker 9: that's what happens with. Inflation you spend too much, money
Speaker 9: it's effectively a.
Speaker 4: Tax it shows up. Somewhere we're going to. Have the
Speaker 4: only remedy for that is to spend less.
Speaker 1: Money, well when you bring you, know kind of a numbers,
Speaker 1: guy twenty, twenty we spent about four point seven. Trillion
Speaker 1: today we're bringing in a little over five trillion, dollars
Speaker 1: AND i guess it's impossible to go back to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty spending levels or twenty twenty. One you can't go.
Speaker 1: Back the more money you, spend it's never. Cut AND
Speaker 1: i THINK i related this to you, Before Congressman Warren,
Speaker 1: davidson THAT i have a sense that the constituency group
Speaker 1: around more government spending are so strong that it is
Speaker 1: difficult for anyone to not cut the rate of the,
Speaker 1: increase but actually to hold the budget to where it,
Speaker 1: is Or god, forbid cut. Spending there's too many constituency
Speaker 1: groups ready to cry foul and have the media trumpet
Speaker 1: their cause that it can't be. Done And i'm a
Speaker 1: little bit i, wan it's a disappointed With Elon, musk
Speaker 1: and it has only BEEN i guess four, months but
Speaker 1: nonetheless he's kind of fading. Away the one trillion, dollars
Speaker 1: the two trillion dollars and cuts over ten years seemingly
Speaker 1: is down to about one hundred and seventy five, billion
Speaker 1: which is. Fine it's pennies on the. Dollar it's better than.
Speaker 1: Nothing BUT i don't see a significant cut to federal,
Speaker 1: spending not the rate of growth of federal, spending but
Speaker 1: an idea, That, okay we spent this much money in
Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty, one and we have revenues today
Speaker 1: to equal without. Spending why can't you, say, okay in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, five twenty twenty, six we're going to bring
Speaker 1: it over five trillion. Dollars that is the level of federal.
Speaker 1: Spend what's just similar in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Two why Can't congress do?
Speaker 9: That you, know this is exactly the thing that people
Speaker 9: don't understand because they would do this in their own.
Speaker 9: HOUSEHOLD i, mean if you, think, like would it be
Speaker 9: possible to live on five percent? Less most people would say, yes,
Speaker 9: yeah most people would, say, well it'd be, tough BUT
Speaker 9: i could do ten. Percent but they could look at
Speaker 9: the government and, say, well probably needs to be shrunk
Speaker 9: by at least twenty. Percent you, know probably at least twenty.
Speaker 9: Percent and that's WHAT i did a sort of social
Speaker 9: media somewhat unscientific. Poll but, hey the people that Follow
Speaker 9: Warren davidson ON ax At Warren, davidson they'll follow it
Speaker 9: out there and, say, hey here's what we. Think and
Speaker 9: overwhelmingly people, thought, well the government should shrink by twenty.
Speaker 9: Percent the next biggest block was ten, percent and the
Speaker 9: next blocks was plus. Five almost everyone knows it needs
Speaker 9: to shrink some BUT i guess there's people, that you,
Speaker 9: know everybody left the center wants more. Government but if you,
Speaker 9: look the most aggressive plan that The house has proposed
Speaker 9: doesn't even cut spending by two. Percent and the reality
Speaker 9: is this big bill that we're voting on supposedly this,
Speaker 9: week unless they improve, it doesn't actually cut. Spending This
Speaker 9: congress doesn't cut it at. All it actually grows. Spending
Speaker 9: This congress until so well until twenty twenty, nine and
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty, nine and it starts to go, down
Speaker 9: which is After trump's. President it's not even in this,
Speaker 9: congress it's not even in this. Presidency it's out in
Speaker 9: some future, congress in future. Presidency so again those are hollow.
Speaker 9: Promises you, KNOW i hope future congresses and you do.
Speaker 9: That but the way to do that is you set
Speaker 9: the example and we spend less money and you hope
Speaker 9: it catches on in future. Congresses go, oh you, know
Speaker 9: those guys campaigned on less spending and then they went
Speaker 9: and did it and people liked.
Speaker 4: It so they elected.
Speaker 9: THEM i fear what's going to happen is we campaigned
Speaker 9: on less, spending we launched those everybody finds out you've
Speaker 9: been spending.
Speaker 4: My money on, what and then you don't do, it
Speaker 4: and they're going to be why WOULD i vote for?
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 9: Clowns you're not doing any of this, stuff even like work.
Speaker 9: Requirements you, know that was bipartisan back When Bill clinton was.
Speaker 9: President Barack obama.
Speaker 4: And crew turned it off in eight or. Nine we
Speaker 4: haven't been able to turn it back.
Speaker 9: On and, look EVERYBODY i know would help a friend in,
Speaker 9: need but you wouldn't say if you were helping a
Speaker 9: friend in need out right now that, well look as
Speaker 9: long as you get a job by twenty twenty, Nine
Speaker 9: i'm going to keep helping. You no one's that, generous,
Speaker 9: right you'd be, like hey, man you're going to get a, job,
Speaker 9: RIGHT i, mean i'll help you for a little. Bit
Speaker 9: but if you're an able bodied, adult you don't have
Speaker 9: depend on kids at, home people are going to expect
Speaker 9: you to, work and they. Should and that kind of
Speaker 9: an expectation doesn't affect working. Poor it doesn't affect people
Speaker 9: with disabilities or anything. Else we're not talking about taking
Speaker 9: stuff away from you, know kids on you, know food.
Speaker 9: Stamps we're talking about able bodied adults with no kids at.
Speaker 4: Home and they don't want to turn that on until
Speaker 4: twenty twenty? Nine are you kidding? Me and they got
Speaker 4: to fix that in the.
Speaker 1: Bill, well what chance do we. HAVE i, mean we
Speaker 1: did this and all the dough stuff with the chain.
Speaker 1: Saws IT'S i, thought, okay we're gonna have a five
Speaker 1: hundred billion to a one trillion dollar. CUT i watched
Speaker 1: THE gao in The congress say every year there's between
Speaker 1: three hundred and five hundred billion dollars in, waste fraud and.
Speaker 1: Abuse we know it's. There we can't find. It and
Speaker 1: now we Have Donald trump saying the same thing as
Speaker 1: conservatives like you and The, congress but we can't do.
Speaker 1: It in, fact you're gonna get no votes in The
Speaker 1: senate for any of. This The democrats are like a.
Speaker 1: Pack they're like a pack of. Dogs they followed the.
Speaker 1: Leader cats tend to roam. Everywhere that's what's. Happening and
Speaker 1: so if we don't do it now with this president
Speaker 1: and This, congress when will it ever?
Speaker 4: Happen, well supposedly in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Nine TAKE.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that that's the magic according to.
Speaker 1: The, Bill and you're right to be.
Speaker 4: Skeptical and that's WHY i, say you, know.
Speaker 9: Kudos look how rare is it for The Wall Street
Speaker 9: journal to, say, well the real problem is the moderate
Speaker 9: it's not the, conservatives, RIGHT i, Mean Wall Street journal
Speaker 9: is usually ready to throw conservatis under the bus in a.
Speaker 9: Heartbeat but even The Wall street journals, like, well really
Speaker 9: the issues the. Moderates they had a good op ed
Speaker 9: out over the. Weekend through it out, there AND i
Speaker 9: was kind of surprised because usually The Wall Street journal
Speaker 9: doesn't run interference for. Concertos, no they're ready to, say you,
Speaker 9: know let's find common ground as here in the, center
Speaker 9: and that's really where The Wall street, is you. Know
Speaker 9: BUT i think they're looking at it, going, yeah these are,
Speaker 9: reasonable these are reasonable cuts that we're talking about. Here
Speaker 9: we're not talking about yeah draconian, slash no hacksaw chainsaw
Speaker 9: to the. Government they're minor tweaks and it.
Speaker 1: Kent' and you're telling me there's gonna be some minor
Speaker 1: tweaks and later this week or next week it's going
Speaker 1: to be. Passed it'll go to The. Senate god knows
Speaker 1: what will happen. THERE i kind of began losing faith
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago when they're reading stories About Elon.
Speaker 1: MUSK i kind of watch all of his devotees on
Speaker 1: With Jesse, waters. Etc doing a great. Job but when
Speaker 1: rubber hits the, road why can't we spend as much
Speaker 1: federally as we spent in the year twenty twenty. One
Speaker 1: why can't we say twenty twenty one is the, benchmark
Speaker 1: and if we did, that then the tax revenues generated
Speaker 1: would equal the. Budget we have a balanced budget. Immediately
Speaker 1: why can't we do?
Speaker 9: That, YEAH i mean that would be like a ten percent.
Speaker 9: Cut if you think about. It people think that's very,
Speaker 9: reasonable And i'm looking at it. Going, MAN i thought
Speaker 9: a two percent cut wasn't very, ambitious but we're talking
Speaker 9: about not even a.
Speaker 4: Cut it's just a promise of future.
Speaker 9: Cuts and you, KNOW i think really to get robust,
Speaker 9: support not just from members of The, house members of The,
Speaker 9: senate but the, PUBLIC i think you got to actually cut,
Speaker 9: spending you, KNOW i.
Speaker 4: Think that's where we need to. GO i, mean the
Speaker 4: bill is not going to be the bill is not
Speaker 4: going to be.
Speaker 9: Beautiful it might be, okay but it's certainly going to
Speaker 9: beautiful if we don't cut.
Speaker 1: Spending does the bill eliminate payroll income taxes on, overtime
Speaker 1: Social security and? Tips or don't we know? Yet depending
Speaker 1: up on what happens in The, senate what about Social, well.
Speaker 9: The final will be you, know The senate bill has
Speaker 9: to ultimately match The. House we have to agree before
Speaker 9: we can get it to The president's. Desk but the
Speaker 9: Current house bill does eliminate taxes on, tips that eliminates
Speaker 9: tax on, overtime and it gives a four thousand dollars credit.
Speaker 4: For Social security eligible. People and the.
Speaker 9: Reason it doesn't completely eliminate tax on Social. Security there's
Speaker 9: almost nobody that gets more than you, know that much
Speaker 9: money In Social security to where the four thousand dollar
Speaker 9: credit wouldn't cover The Social security.
Speaker 4: Taxes and that's the.
Speaker 9: Goal but there's a lot of people that are On
Speaker 9: Social security that have income from other, source like they
Speaker 9: have mental properties or some.
Speaker 4: Investments and then.
Speaker 9: Pointed out there or talk show host or congress or the,
Speaker 9: yeah they're running they're running a great.
Speaker 1: Treads, yeah and so the four thousand, DOLLARS i think
Speaker 1: they every Soci security checks about eighteen. Hundred that's about
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty two. Thousands so the tax on
Speaker 1: that's about four. Thousand AND i get.
Speaker 4: THAT i get.
Speaker 1: That, well we got to Run. Congressman i'm, disappointed of,
Speaker 1: Course i'm waiting to be. DISAPPOINTED i didn't think the
Speaker 1: system would All trump to do what he wants to,
Speaker 1: do and the system won't Allow Warren davidson to do
Speaker 1: what you would want to. Do the system eats people
Speaker 1: up In washington and spits them. Out AND i think
Speaker 1: this is one more occasion that's going. On AM i?
Speaker 4: Wrong we'll stay the. Course we haven't lost it.
Speaker 9: Yet when we're fighting to save this thing we got
Speaker 9: to get it across the finish, line and you know
Speaker 9: it's worth the. FIGHT i, mean this is a big.
Speaker 9: Effort but in the fate of the country's in balance
Speaker 9: here we got to save the. Country we can't do.
Speaker 1: It we can't have thirty seven honest way to fifty
Speaker 1: trillion dollars and national. Debt we can't. Survive and the
Speaker 1: media doesn't report on that. Fact they're very myopic looking
Speaker 1: at next week and grandmother being pitched off a cliff
Speaker 1: or or some pregnant woman not getting food. Stamps the
Speaker 1: big issue is we owe thirty seven trillion, dollars had
Speaker 1: A moody's, downgrade which means borrowing money's gonna get more.
Speaker 1: Expensive we're gonna borrow again this, year what two trillion?
Speaker 1: Dollars is that?
Speaker 6: About?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, roughly that's about, right.
Speaker 1: Yep and next year we're going to borrow two. Trillion.
Speaker 4: Yeah and here's the other one that people don't talk.
Speaker 4: About that's new.
Speaker 9: Borrowing the reality is you have, maturity so we're going
Speaker 9: to refinance around eight trillion dollars kind of higher.
Speaker 4: Rate when When when when old?
Speaker 9: Debt, yeah so old debt that we were financing back
Speaker 9: with interest rates were, like you, know half a, percent one,
Speaker 9: percent we're refinancing at you, know four and a half,
Speaker 9: percent and so it's getting more extensive.
Speaker 1: Fast War Warren davidson once, Again, congressman thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on The Bill Cunningham. SHOW i don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen later this month is going to be. WILD
Speaker 1: i suspect strongly that the best intentions will be chewed
Speaker 1: up by The washington. Establishment, Congressman Warren, davidson soldier and,
Speaker 1: congressman thanks for coming on The Bill Cunningham. Show thank, You.
Speaker 4: Warren, yeah always it.
Speaker 1: Honor god bless you and your. Listeners god Bless. America
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Speaker 1: One Will benson home four?
Speaker 8: Times he's homered in four straight games five and the
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Speaker 8: town this coming.
Speaker 1: Weekend you know a Segment my mother's sister was Named. Benson,
Speaker 1: yeah her name Was. Dorothy we called her Aunt Dot.
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Speaker 1: seven HUNDRED. Wlw I'm bill cunning in The Great ark
Speaker 1: and getting ready For Reds baseball about five forty tonight In.
Speaker 1: Pittsburg and they swept The pirates the last. Time see
Speaker 1: what happens today? Tomorrow and Then Wednesday Business. Special joining
Speaker 1: you AND i now is the great Mo. Egger, Moegger
Speaker 1: welcome again to The Bill Cunningham show and Mo. CALL
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, AGO i said to YOU i
Speaker 1: had an aunt Named Rita benson that somehow that was
Speaker 1: a key that Possibly Will benson should be called up
Speaker 1: to help the club get over the. Hump do you
Speaker 1: recall that.
Speaker 2: Conversation you haven't had me on your show in like two,
Speaker 2: Months so whoever you said that to it wouldn't. Be
Speaker 2: But i'm thrilled That Will benson is here up and
Speaker 2: producing at the level that he.
Speaker 1: Has why BECAUSE i listened to some of your compatriots
Speaker 1: about how young players aren't being, developed that somehow McClain's
Speaker 1: not doing what he should be. Doing let's face, It
Speaker 1: ellie's having a little bit of a rough patch right,
Speaker 1: here and the young players are not. DEVELOPING i don't
Speaker 1: know Where cees. Is he's still in rehab somewhere AND
Speaker 1: i don't. Know But Will benson was one of the
Speaker 1: starlets in the minor. Leagues he wasn't being. Developed now he's.
Speaker 1: Developed why Is Will benson? Developed, well maybe The white
Speaker 1: bauld came on for.
Speaker 2: Him you, know he's had an interesting. Career pass came
Speaker 2: to The reds from The Cleveland. Gardians and if you
Speaker 2: remember two years ago when there was this steady stream
Speaker 2: of guys who in the middle of the season got
Speaker 2: to the big leagues and started to have almost an
Speaker 2: instant impact on the, Team Will benson was one of.
Speaker 2: Them in, fact if you, Remember Will benson hit the
Speaker 2: walk off home run in what Was elie de La
Speaker 2: cruz's second, Game and so in twenty twenty, three you
Speaker 2: looked at him and, thought this guy could solve their
Speaker 2: long standing problem with finding a right. Fielder this is
Speaker 2: a guy who could be a. Cornerstone and then unfortunately
Speaker 2: last year he just simply wasn't very. Good he was
Speaker 2: kind of a strikeout. Machine he was absolutely useless against,
Speaker 2: lefties not all that much more productive against right handed.
Speaker 2: Pitchers and then so you kind of had a sense
Speaker 2: he was going to face an uphill battle to make
Speaker 2: the team in spring. Training he went to spring, training
Speaker 2: didn't make the. Team but here's WHAT i like About Will.
Speaker 2: Benson his, attitude by all, accounts has always. Awesome if
Speaker 2: you recall earlier this, YEAR i don't recall who got,
Speaker 2: hurt But Will benson got called up for a, day
Speaker 2: went zero for four and they sent him right back. Down.
Speaker 2: Yep now when you get sat, down you have three
Speaker 2: days to. Report Will benson went To louisville immediately and
Speaker 2: was in the line up the next, night put up
Speaker 2: very good numbers of TRIPLE. A it was a matter
Speaker 2: of time before he got his. Chance and then the
Speaker 2: question was when he does get a, chance does he
Speaker 2: take advantage of? It and so, far fortunately for, him
Speaker 2: really fortunately for The, reds the answer has been.
Speaker 1: Yes and the starting pitching has been. Great Hunter green's
Speaker 1: coming back in the next couple of. Days the bullpen
Speaker 1: is set. Up we had bullpen. DIFFICULTIES i thought the
Speaker 1: bullpen Against cleveland a good. Team they were a. TEAM
Speaker 1: i thought if The reds could win two out of,
Speaker 1: three that'd be a good. Thing they just dominated The guardians,
Speaker 1: completely Making FRANCONA i, think very. Happy and now we
Speaker 1: have the starting pitching is about the best in. Baseball
Speaker 1: Is Will? Benson like in pro wrestling The Missing. Link
Speaker 1: you might recall the wrestlers named The Missing. Link he
Speaker 1: was like half orangutang and half. Human Is Will benson
Speaker 1: the Missing link from The Red glory that lies.
Speaker 4: Ahead, well we'll.
Speaker 2: SEE i certainly can understand if there's some hesitancy to
Speaker 2: think that this is going to, stick Because will's had
Speaker 2: sort of a up and down major league, existence but
Speaker 2: they badly needed somebody offensively to step up. Big he certainly.
Speaker 2: Has but you mentioned two things that are. Key Number
Speaker 2: one for them to win that game they did On,
Speaker 2: saturday Starting Brent sodor and using a bullpen game is pretty.
Speaker 2: Remarkable Number, two in the, bullpen This luis may kid
Speaker 2: has been more than a. Revelation black guy certainly looks
Speaker 2: like he could be a big part of what they're
Speaker 2: going to be from a relief course, standpoint and it
Speaker 2: does feel as if they have dodged a bullet With Hunter.
Speaker 2: Green he pitched in a bullpen on The Major league
Speaker 2: man yesterday AT gavp through thirty five. Pitches feels like
Speaker 2: his return is. Imminent starting pitching has been. Terrific Andrew
Speaker 2: abbott really teetered on the brink of the first inning
Speaker 2: yesterday where you kind of felt like the game is
Speaker 2: maybe a pitch, away a pitcher two away from getting
Speaker 2: away from. Him, instead he gets out of the first,
Speaker 2: inning proceeds to be outstanding the reason why this team
Speaker 2: is probably going to stay at least with an arms
Speaker 2: length the first place is the. Pitching and the reason
Speaker 2: why maybe they're not going to get over the hump is,
Speaker 2: offensively they're a below average. Team so it goes to
Speaker 2: show a guy Like Will benson there was room for
Speaker 2: him to make an. Impact has now he needs some
Speaker 2: of his teammates to follow it.
Speaker 1: Time and of course this coming up, Weekend Memorrow day
Speaker 1: weekend with The cubs in, town that's going to be
Speaker 1: bigger Than. Montana if they come out Of pittsburgh with
Speaker 1: two out of, three come home and beat up on The,
Speaker 1: cubs The reds may march to glory the first place and.
Speaker 1: Beyond AND i feel as if my speech on Opening
Speaker 1: day is going to have some. Sustenance Now i've had
Speaker 1: concerns a week, ago not. ANYMORE i think they're twenty
Speaker 1: four and twenty, four they're at five, hundred they're ready to.
Speaker 1: March this weekend series is, big, big. Big i've not
Speaker 1: had you. On CAN i get a ward or two
Speaker 1: from you On Pete rose and what Happened Pete? Rose Pete,
Speaker 1: Rose Pete, Rose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure let's talk About Pete no.
Speaker 1: Problem what about. It happy? Good do you agree with?
Speaker 1: Me the odds him getting in The hall Of fame
Speaker 1: are almost non. Existent, nonetheless because of the make up
Speaker 1: the so Called era Of Veterans, COMMITTEE.
Speaker 2: I think he faces a more uphill battle than we
Speaker 2: would like to. ADMIT i think he faces a more
Speaker 2: uphill battle THAN i think people wanted to acknowledge On wednesday.
Speaker 2: NIGHT i think chances are greater than. Zero you, know number,
Speaker 2: one we don't know what the makeup of the group
Speaker 2: that's going to be voting on him In december of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven is going to. Be but here's WHAT
Speaker 2: i do. Know there is maybe no more divisive figure
Speaker 2: over the course of the last thirty five years In
Speaker 2: Major League baseball Than Pete. Rose and so in order
Speaker 2: for him to get voted, in twelve of the sixteen
Speaker 2: people who vote are going to have to sign off
Speaker 2: On Pete. ROSE i think you're going to have a
Speaker 2: hard time achieving that. NUMBER i certainly think there will
Speaker 2: be people who vote for, Him but for somebody for
Speaker 2: whom it feels like just The american population is split
Speaker 2: on fifty to, FIFTY i have a hard time believing
Speaker 2: that you're going to find seventy five percent of any
Speaker 2: group that's going to sign off On pete being in
Speaker 2: The hall Of. Fame and SO i think it's going
Speaker 2: to be really interesting to see what. HAPPENS i think
Speaker 2: it's going to be really interesting to see what happens
Speaker 2: With Shulis Joe. Jackson but you, Know willie AND i
Speaker 2: think you talked about this a little bit last. WEEK
Speaker 2: i hate the idea of A hall Of fame induction
Speaker 2: ceremony happening without the person being. Inducted you, KNOW i
Speaker 2: Heard Tom brennan in the other morning talk About Ron
Speaker 2: santo last. WEEK i remember that induction. Ceremony Barry larkin
Speaker 2: got in that. Year Ron santo's widow gave a very moving,
Speaker 2: speech but that wasn't a, celebration that was a. EULOGY
Speaker 2: i Remember Ken riley a couple of years ago In
Speaker 2: canton beat the Legendary bengals. Corner he finally got to
Speaker 2: The pro football his son gave a very, eloquent moving,
Speaker 2: speech felt like. Eulogy didn't feel like a. Celebration and
Speaker 2: SO i Know pete's family is really excited and grateful
Speaker 2: For Rob manford and relieved that at least Major league
Speaker 2: baseball is. Done it's party by lifting the, band by
Speaker 2: taking him off the permanently an eligible. List But i'm
Speaker 2: really curious as to what A hall Of fame induction
Speaker 2: ceremony For Pete rose Without Pete rose there would feel
Speaker 2: LIKE i certainly share your skepticism that it's going to,
Speaker 2: Happen but if it, DOES i think it still happens
Speaker 2: against the backdrop of what, if of what If pete
Speaker 2: would have been given this opportunity while he was still?
Speaker 1: Alive kind of worthless after your. DEAD i Like Marty brenneman's.
Speaker 1: Approach it's up to The rose, family up To fawn
Speaker 1: And pete And, tie. Etc but to, Say, okay we're
Speaker 1: going to go To cooperstown and Celebrate Pete rose Without
Speaker 1: Pete rose being, there to make them a boatload of,
Speaker 1: MONEY i don't get. It And pete said, REPEATEDLY i
Speaker 1: don't care Once i'm dead WHETHER i get in The
Speaker 1: hall Of fame or. Not but if the family wants,
Speaker 1: it so be. It but the whole chapter you think it's,
Speaker 1: over fools just, Begun And i'm, THINKING i don't know
Speaker 1: what to. Say but all, RIGHT, mo we got to.
Speaker 1: Run BUT i have hope and faith that Like i've
Speaker 1: not had before for this. Club it's coming together. Nicely
Speaker 1: and someone told me That Tito francona in his managerial,
Speaker 1: career has a much better record in the second half
Speaker 1: of the season in the first. Half and SO i
Speaker 1: anticipate The reds are going to march for glory and
Speaker 1: for some the judgment seat Of god and Mo edgar.
Speaker 2: Once you go, Ahead Mo, WELL i was gonna, say
Speaker 2: if you go back To wednesday night when they lost
Speaker 2: that game against The White, Sox I'm pete Rose nay,
Speaker 2: right second of consecutive losses against the bad. Team we're
Speaker 2: all kind of looking at.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 2: One, yes, boy this season is teetering on the brink. Again,
Speaker 2: right you can't get swept by The White. SOX a
Speaker 2: Good cleveland team comes to. Town this could get away
Speaker 2: from them before we get To Memorial. Day and now
Speaker 2: with fourth freight, wins you go To pittsburgh this. Week
Speaker 2: The pirates aren't very good at. All you're gonna Miss Paul,
Speaker 2: skeins The All star. Pitcher and then you get a
Speaker 2: chance over the next two weekends to play The Chicago
Speaker 2: cubs six. Times they've got a. Chance they've got a
Speaker 2: chance to make a dent this, week and they've got
Speaker 2: a chance to make their move over the course of
Speaker 2: the next two weekends against The.
Speaker 1: Cups, oh your one in, life mo is a, chance
Speaker 1: give me a chance at. Glory just give me a. Chance,
Speaker 1: oh thank you very. Much and you're a Great. American
Speaker 1: remember The Will Benson Rita benson. Connection my old dead,
Speaker 1: aunt her name Was. Benson just remember.
Speaker 2: That i'll go to ancestry dot com and see WHAT
Speaker 2: i can figure.
Speaker 1: Out figure. Out all, right thank. You let's continue with more.
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