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Speaker 2: First, Dan, this, yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1: I just I looked up and then you were gone.
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Speaker 2: We're going to try to answer.
Speaker 1: As many questions as we can today. You know, obviously
we'll do our best.
Speaker 2: We're not going to get every question, but we will
try but we're.
Speaker 1: Going to start with did you guys decide which question
we were starting with?
Speaker 4: I think Miranda's was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miranda's was really good. Okay you want to do that? Sure? Sorry?
Speaker 5: Yeah, please go my question?
Speaker 6: Wait?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 2: Wait Mark?
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you raise your game?
Speaker 2: Or oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I cand barely hear you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, he can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 2: Hold on? Oh I'm quiet, see for me. Everybody's fucking quiet,
and I don't know what's going on. Oh Jesus Christ.
Sorry sorry sorry, I saw it. I saw it on
the fucking meter. How about now? Why did you say?
Speaker 5: Is this okay?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 5: Perfect?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: Perfect?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 10: My question to the whole cast was did you learn
something from playing your characters?
Speaker 5: And what was it?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. Can you guys see the screen. Let's
start with day.
Speaker 8: Yes, this is so no okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say every question we wrotate because that's
the show.
Speaker 2: Block Wise.
Speaker 1: That's way too much fucking pressure, So just say and
then we'll go around blockwise.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think in terms of like Australia, I learned
a lot about utilizing trauma as kind of like a tool,
if that makes any sense. And utilizing it in order
to transform it into something positive, you know, like a strength,
whether that be mental, whether that be physical, anything of
that sort.
Speaker 5: Man, that's rad.
Speaker 3: Have you done that?
Speaker 8: I'm working on it, man, we're all working progress.
Speaker 3: No, share a really personal moment in the last year
or so in which you've done that with.
Speaker 8: What are you might wrap.
Speaker 2: Jesus Brad doesn't feel well? So look out today it's
going to be.
Speaker 3: There's no I could say anything tacking diamond.
Speaker 12: Just be ready, just whenever, So track you're up me, Hi,
what did I learn?
Speaker 13: I learned that I'm better role playing than I originally
thought I was.
Speaker 14: I think I.
Speaker 3: Got episode.
Speaker 13: In this show than I've ever been before. I will
always go to the first episode and I was gonna
like front page cold opening seeing my lot was the
murdering in front of me, and I was very nervous.
I didn't think I could do it, and I did, like.
Speaker 3: Immediately was a cold was cold as well? There was.
Speaker 8: Ye smashed it.
Speaker 3: We almost had our favorite moment be the question to
open with and that was gonna be mine, by the way. Yeah,
it was just so good and someone expected and nobody
really knew you or anything either or at least I didn't,
you know, I didn't know what to expect or anything.
Not like everyone's being judged or anything. But it's like
sometimes someone does something amazing and you're like wow, and
then you immediately have to then you have to be like,
fuck you, We're going to raise my game.
Speaker 11: Great turn, would sob uncontrollably with you again, I.
Speaker 13: Would love that, I'll be honest. Not only that was acting,
I was just really anxious and nervous as well, real nerves.
It's like I'm on the front page.
Speaker 14: Oh fuck.
Speaker 13: But yeah, I think that's what the biggest thing I learned,
And also learned that I enjoyed playing the angry character.
I guess I enjoyed like once I had like the
rage kind of thing planted in restaurant. That's like I
kind of enjoy just scoring berserk sometimes. I like, it's
just it's kind of fun. So maybe that says something
about me.
Speaker 14: Outside of game.
Speaker 13: I don't know, but yeah, I think those are the
things I kind of learned from this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you and Faye definitely set the stage
for the entire like the mood for the entire show
going forwards. Yeah, I think like you know, no pressure
now that it's happened. But I mean, like, I think
there was a lot riding on that first scene and
how the rest of the mood and the feel of
the show would go from there, because it's all yes
and right, so it's all following on from one thing
to another, and I think, yeah, you and you and
Faye just destroyed it in the best possible way.
Speaker 14: I'm not good at taking compliments.
Speaker 3: I forgot it wasn't a compliment.
Speaker 2: This whole group is this. Forget it. I'm gonna say something.
I knew you could do it. I knew you.
Speaker 1: I've role played with you, and I was like, I
had a moment where I feel like I knew when
we were when we all met together and you know,
we were doing our character creation and stuff like that,
that you were really nervous.
Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, Well, the.
Speaker 1: Only way I know of to really kind of like
get rid of that is to literally just shove.
Speaker 2: You in the deep end and go all right, let's go.
You're on the front page. Guy opened up for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 14: That's how I say. That is how I started streaming.
Speaker 13: I had extreme stage fright and social anxiety and I
was like, I fucking hate this, so I'm gonna start
streaming and just be in front of people and do it.
So I guess you could tell.
Speaker 14: And it worked.
Speaker 5: It did incredible stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, Johnny, you're up.
Speaker 4: What did I learn I'm playing Titus.
Speaker 12: I learned I could probably use about fifty percent less
breath play in my role play. I learned I really
liked playing a tortured character like I would find myself
all the time, far too frequently, like wanting to record
screams or gross grotesque torture sounds and send them the
PB and I'd be like, Hey, if you want these,
you could just use them wherever, Like if you just
want me screaming in my shack in the woods, that'd
be cool. On an actual serious note, I think that
a big thing I learned from playing Titus was nobody
is ever going to understand you as well as you
understand yourself.
Speaker 4: And I think it gave me.
Speaker 12: A little more insight into who I am as a
person and just who I kind of want to be
or continue to strive to be, because you know, the
big theme of Titus was never feeling understood, and I
realized that it was a cool lesson.
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 12: I also warned, spiders aren't that scary, and spiders are
super cool and have so many cool features that I
didn't know about before the show.
Speaker 4: And I'm no longer rack the fub so pumped about that.
Speaker 2: Amazing Brad, you're up.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what did I learn? I learned? You know
that show we watched Pebe Miranda and maybe other people
have seen it, Hought and catch Fire when and that
guy in it.
Speaker 2: Go Clark. I like.
Speaker 3: Joe. I feel like Erefa was Joe in this because
he's caught between being the best at his like craft,
Like he wants to be the best mage ever and
he's told that he is naturally gifted and should be
and he's caught between that and just living a normal
life and just you know, having a husband and you know,
having some kids and not having to be the best,
you know, just being whatever that is doesn't have to
be anything. And I think I was looking I remember
when I made the character. I was thinking about how
he would potentially be jealous at the others because they
were brought up with each other, and they all had friends,
and they were all brought up in the town and
are if it was whisked off to a tower, and
that would make him. That would the two things that
came to mind Or was like, well, he would want attention.
He'd want to be the best at something. He'd want validation,
you know, he'd want to be like every time he's
brought to town, he's like, look at me, look at
me what I can do. I'm special. And also he
would cover just that downtime, just sitting and hanging out
with friends or you know, drinking a cup of tea
with whoever it was, you know, until eventually, obviously it
became Rasroth and so yeah, I was fascinated with that,
and I think a lot of us, probably everyone has
that same feeling sometimes, that work life balance where you're like,
I haven't spent enough time doing this or you know
that the other I went through a horrific breakup during this,
and I was like, oh, I wonder if it was
because I was working too hard or maybe I didn't
work hard enough. And so I thought about that a
lot during this, and the hilarious thing is I got
no answer from it. So really I don't know if
I learned anything. Because Eryth it got to become the
best of each thing. He becomes a posthuman god creature
and also becomes you know, gets to spend his last
few days with Razroth and just being a normal human
with no special abilities, and his just gets to hold
his boyfriend's hand and hang out. Then that's it. But
I don't know if it's a lesson or anything, but
it was something that I found myself thinking about and
mulling over a lot. I think I don't think that
there is an answer for it. I think that's the answer.
I don't know if there is a balance. I think
it's a thing that you just struggle with forever and
you probably have to come up with your own answer,
you know, or find or discover your own balance. But
that was something that I think I was trying to
think about and bring to the character every week. And yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't I have
no end to that. So that's the end of my sentence.
I have covid ourcles.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: When I made Jude, I kind of like set out
on this challenge to kind of like I wanted to
challenge myself to experience a level of like stoicism and
emotional control and distance from the things that are happening
and discipline, because I struggle with all of those things
a lot, and I kind of wanted to put all
of that into her and see if I could find
a way to access that stuff within me, And in
some ways I did. Like I think I learned that
discipline while my whole life I kind of viewed it
as this like really negative thing that was enforced upon
me from other sources or authorities or something like that.
I actually kind of learned that discipline is kind of
like a form of self self love for me, and
that the idea of like leading a disciplined, routined I
don't know life is kind of a very supportive thing
to do for yourself.
Speaker 5: So that was very cool.
Speaker 1: But I also learned, Yeah, sorry to interrupt you, but no,
it's a really nice thought that you've hit on here.
Discipline isn't necessarily negative. It's not punishment, it's not restriction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Other things, or it can be other things.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people assume that it is,
you know, restrictive or punishment, or there's that negative connotation there,
and discipline in the way where it's a gift for
those of us who so estecially grew up in a
chaotic environment. All it is is just safety, right, It's
just exactly there's your safe routine that you can rely on,
yeah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And feel safe in. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I really learned that playing Jude, because Jude was
that regimented kind of and getting into her mind in
the way that she thought of those things. It wasn't
coming from a place of control or punishment, and I
think that that's kind of something that really coming changed
my perspective on it for her, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and strength, but also like yeah, just like I don't
know a level of inner strength that I aspire to.
And the other thing that I learned that I think
was really important was I endeavored to play a very stoic,
sort of like Night's Code character who had a difficult
time expressing emotion or anything like that. But eventually through
playing the character on the show, I realized that really
the only thing that we have to communicate with each
other is emotion, and at some point I had to
decide whether to let go of the idea of that
distance and that coldness in order to actually communicate with
everyone and to really make an impact and to like,
you know, share, and I feel like that was really
a powerful lesson as well for someone who really tries to,
you know, tries to keep everything on lock, but can't
realizing that was.
Speaker 5: A really beautiful thing. Yeah, anyway, that's me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, one I've learned from Kingmakers.
Speaker 2: I think from your character specifically.
Speaker 9: I think right right, from my character specifically, and not
from the show itself.
Speaker 3: I guess I mean.
Speaker 1: Neither, whichever you want to answer, but I think it was,
you know, did you learn from your character originally?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 9: Next, Oh, I think narratively through Lear, I learned about
how to trust. RP is a lot of yes, and
there's a lot of you know, like going back and
forth and creating a story of people. But like, I
think that because of the nature of Lear and the
fact that you know, he has Jude and he has
Vega and together they are kind of like one unit,
you kind of had to like think of him less
as an independent person, at least for Lear himself, being
this royal who's been caddled, who has these people to
be his crutches. It was an interesting kind of like
thought process to try and make Lear dependent on these
people while at the same time not making him too
much of a wet blanket. You know, there was an
interesting balance there at play, I think, and you know,
like it made me appreciate my fellow role players more
just because of like, you know, how i'd have to
you know, like go about that sometimes, you know, like
I think all or no, I mean, just thinking outside
of the box in general. Being able to think up
reasons for specific things on an emotional level as well,
I was very important and definitely something that I learned
more with lear because most other characters that I play,
you know, like they don't have this sort of intrinsic
bond with other characters, at least not from the outset,
you know, and so having to think about other people
that way is kind of something that for me. It
also allowed me to think about that in my everyday
life and how maybe perhaps I affect other people and
they affect me. So I think it was kind of
like this recursive thing that I was, just like, you know,
learning more and more as I went on with this,
which is you know, cool as a thought process and exercise.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, nothing perfect, Thank you.
Speaker 6: Ya, bean.
Speaker 2: Huh hm? Did I learn from Vega?
Speaker 7: I think I kind of Vega went on like a
really big journey throughout the whole series. Like she was
a very designer to be a very peppy character that
was supposed to be able to help bring an energy
if it needed it, but obviously the story was quite
dark from the outsets, so it did make it difficult
sometimes to be that character that.
Speaker 8: Was just like Nick, guys, it's gonna be fine, they'll
worry about it.
Speaker 7: But she went on a really, really big journey and
she ended up being very different in the end to
how she started out.
Speaker 8: And I think it kind of there was a weird
thing that happened.
Speaker 7: Where, like out of character, you were aware of like
the fact that there's a cast here of like seven
eighth nine how many other people and every single show,
and you want to give everyone space to just have
their own RP and convey where they need to convey.
And I think there.
Speaker 8: Was just a point where I realized that it's okay.
It is enough to just exist. It is enough to
just not have to feel like.
Speaker 7: You have to drive something or like it be more
than your character is, and then to just let your
character to just stop and breathe. And it's something I
learned too late actually, because I did feel a pressure
throughout the show to, like towards the end, after like
Vega became like the apprentice, to take that role of
error fear and continue being the person who could guide
everyone and would know the answers. And I try to
play into that a little bit with like Vega, like
I don't know the answers.
Speaker 8: No no, no, no, but I don't know what I'm to do.
Speaker 7: I know though, And then that sort of allowed me
to look back and see like everyone else needs to
have that opportunity to do something with whatever they would
like to do with their character as well.
Speaker 2: And I don't know patience. She told me a bit
about patience.
Speaker 7: Which is funny because the character was not designed to
be a paid characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7: I'm tired, I'm sick.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's cheating to ask Dan
and Aaron, but it's open if either of you want
to answer the question.
Speaker 15: Dan, would you like to I do have an answer,
but Dan, would you like.
Speaker 3: To go for it first? You're ready? You're ready, go
do it?
Speaker 15: Okay. I learned I can answer any existential question thrown
at me within seconds.
Speaker 2: I learned that about you too. I was very impressed.
Speaker 15: Johnny, what's the difference between fat and destiny the spelling?
I literally I was like, Okay, sure, no, I think that,
and I do appreciate that. I think that what I
learned is sometimes trying to play a confident character can
give you a lot of confidence because I knew that
this person was supposed to be this person, so I
couldn't come in ho humming. I mean I did a
lot of, you know, ridiculous things to try and not answer.
But I trying to do that, and it also matter
and dropping little things and trying to be this weird,
sort of existential, weird guy was really difficult. And being
able to come in and go, you know, I have
no choice. You have no choice. You have to you know,
you have to portray someone that just knows so much
and knows when not to say anything. Along with that,
my favorite thing that you guys did, You're like, tell
me straight, And I was like, shit, okay, I'll tell
you straight now.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 15: But but yeah, I think that going in with the
mindset of playing a character the way you hope to
play them, that matters so much. And I don't think
I ever realized that, you know, playing you know, uh
jack you're talking about. So I had social well, I
do have social anxiety disorder. I started streaming fucking years
ago because of that to try and work through that.
Speaker 14: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 15: And and it's it's sort of that thing where you
just hit the button and then you go. I don't
think I ever realized how much tabletop is that you
just that button goes and then you go. You just
you have to be that character. Yeah you'll find this
stuff along the way, but you have to be that
I don't I just never realized it until now how
much that matters. And that's it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Okay.
Speaker 1: So everybody went around and answered that, right. Everybody had
a chance to yes, okay, awesome.
Speaker 3: Except for you do it well I refuse.
Speaker 4: Uh no, I had something.
Speaker 3: It was really short because.
Speaker 16: I was here very shortly. But I learned that no
one will ever trust any character I play, no matter
what it is, just doesn't matter what show. I will
not be trusted, despite potent trusted. Yeah, I mean that
was a one shot, like and then he died.
Speaker 17: So uh okay, he's okay, right, he's fine, he's fine,
he's fine, uh, but no more seriously, Uh, it's a
little bit kind of like what like Aaron was talking about,
just just a bit like I had to go in
trusting that my character from two shows ago would fit
into the vibe as he was made as a comedy character.
Speaker 16: For a one off within a show. And so I'm like,
this show is ridiculously serious. It's dark, like I've been
in that kind of thing. But I'm coming in as
a as someone who's not serious, like serious but deflex
with humor And is that going to fit at all?
Or am I just going to be kind of really
out of place? And I had to just trust, like,
OKAYP wanted me in here for a specific reason for
this character to kind of do info dumping, but I
don't know. I I was able to walk away going okay, no,
I can. I can trust myself more as a role player.
I've got experience. I don't need to worry as much
as I was doing because I was nervous. It was
coming in near the very end of a show and
having to be the person like Aaron to just be
like here's info but also in character and make it work.
So yeah, that was that was me.
Speaker 2: I wanted you to come and play Tim.
Speaker 1: I had always hoped and we talked about this dan
with KPP, but our schedules never really aligned.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do six.
Speaker 1: Episode short series with Tim and Andreas Kyah, which was
kpp's character, and I wanted that to happen before this
for reasons right, to tie everything in together. But because
I didn't get to do that, I went, oh, you
know what, you know, I like, I'll have him come
in now. I won't be quite the same, but but yeah,
we were trying to get KPP, but her work schedule
did not allow her to arrive for a four pm show.
But otherwise she would have been here for a couple
of episodes too, which would have been neat neat callback
to that. But anyway, okay, so what I'm gonna do now?
Otherwise this will take nine years for everybody to go around.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw out a question.
Speaker 1: If you guys have an answer to it, you know,
just jump in and answer the question. If not, you know,
I'll move on to the to the next question. Okay,
The first one is for all of the cast, is
there are you happy with your character? This question was
asked a couple of different times in different ways, So
I'm just bundling.
Speaker 2: It all together.
Speaker 1: Are you happy with their character or is there anything
that you wish you could go back and play out differently?
Or is there anything that happened to your character that
you would change and how do you think it would
have affected the game.
Speaker 5: I'm super curious. I'm jumping in.
Speaker 10: I have since it happened, been so curious about what
Jude without a soul would have been like, because.
Speaker 5: I knew instantly that Jude.
Speaker 10: Knew that she could live without a soul, and because
she was just very utilitarian about it, she like didn't
think of it as like that deep I guess. So yeah,
I always think about like, what would Jude without a
soul be? Like, yeah, anyway, it's fucking awesome.
Speaker 13: Oh okay, I think I mentioned this before. One thing
I would have changed if I understood the cysts, because like,
I was kind of understand and learn the system as
I went along, and I was like, I'd never played
with PBS a GM, so I was like, how far
can I push.
Speaker 14: What I can do?
Speaker 13: I really hit my stride with red Ras roths when
I was like, Okay, this is what I can do
if I'd known that earlier, I would have built I
would have built my rest raft as just that that
would have been his whole build.
Speaker 14: It would have been great. I'd have loved it.
Speaker 13: Not that the radsfre I played it was bad, but
like I've I always enjoyed, like I like teleporting. I
think I think that deal like teleporting in a fight
is ridiculously overpowered and kind of underrated when it comes
to like quote unquote superpowers or powers people have for
like fights.
Speaker 14: And I just really found that fun.
Speaker 13: So I think that's like one of the things I
would have changed if I could, And I think the
other thing would have changed honestly, I think I would
have liked to have had Rajoff accept the name sun
Eta as his code name instead of soul Binder. I
think would have been an interesting thing narratively to accept that,
especially with the kind of almost devilish form he takes
sometimes when he gets angry. I thought it would have been
pretty pretty interesting in all the way to reclaim that.
So I guess there are like the two things that
kind of stand out.
Speaker 1: Also really like that, because if you think about the
fact that you almost killed Jude twice and she gets
turned into the sun.
Speaker 2: That's pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think speaking of red Ras, perhaps maybe I would
have liked to have played more with the Leers uh
Les gray Sword, you know, like the fact that he
had a couple of souls in there. I think that
maybe perhaps, you know, like if the show is longer,
like he would have been, I would have perhaps you know,
uh maybe perhaps used it as some sort of prison
I don't know, or like you know, again, Saul oriented
just kind of work around that. I think also as
far as Lear goes, initially, when I had Leir planned,
there was always supposed to be like this character dependent
on you know, these two wards to kind of keep
him on the straight and narrow, and a lot of
that was for the most part, uh just kind of
like internal I just like I'm acting the result of
this thing happening. But like without without Jude, without Vega,
Lear was supposed to kind of be by default kind
of like a Geoffrey Barathian anaser kind of deal. You know,
he's that that's kind of where he is, because how
how could you not be in that kind of situation
when you know, like you have all of this around you,
and it was only through tempering through Jude and Vega.
And I think I regret not letting someone that slip.
But it's one of those things whereas an actor, I
think that I was just a bit limited to try
and you.
Speaker 3: Know, like get in there and get out and like,
you know, it requires a bit more.
Speaker 9: Collaboration. I guess on my heart, on my behalf and trust.
But yeah, maybe perhaps making him more seemingly evil. I
don't know, just I've recently got a taste for bad
guys and I was wondering whether or not Lake could
be a good bad guy, you know, but you know, anyway, also, yeah,
that's about it really other than that, you know, like
Lear was a very you know again, like Brad's Rose said,
we had quite a few you know, like couples and
stuff in it. I was playing with the idea like
just when the question came up, hmm, wouldn't have been
interesting if Lea threw a spanner in the works somewhere
I don't know where exactly. I don't really think about
this stuff very often, but it would have been kind
of funny at least for me to like be a
third wheel or something.
Speaker 3: You know, and either a third wheel or like.
Speaker 9: So some sort of thing. You know what I'm saying,
just you know, get in there, get out there. I
don't know, man, anyway, that's me. Sorry, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 14: The whole time.
Speaker 13: We find out that Li's been bullying a roof because.
Speaker 14: Has a crush.
Speaker 5: Trying to runs in the family.
Speaker 3: Why didn't you shouldn't with that stuff? And really do And.
Speaker 12: I kind of have the same thought as drafted, but
not exactly. I think a large part of my character
in this campaign was failing roles, which I think went
to a lot of great roleplay. But like I had
skills that I used one time through the whole campaign,
and I don't regret it per se because it shaped
the character in a lot of the stories.
Speaker 4: So I was very content with it.
Speaker 12: But I think if I'd go back and knew, hey,
you're gonna use magic a lot, I might have just
magic dumped.
Speaker 4: But either way, it's not really regreat, just something that
I thought about.
Speaker 12: Something else that I thought about from a narrative perspective
is I wish I would have leaned into Titus's resentment
for becoming Award and I did this kind of intentionally
to mirror Vega, Jude and Lear, because when you look
at the two groups, they're kind of very opposite. That
group always had their shit together, they had battle formations,
they were organized, they were soldiers, and our group was
kind of like the dysfunctional Brady Bunch on the other
side of the world. And I think that something really
cool about what's being award is sure, it looks really
awesome to have a shiny sword and a magnificent suit
of armor, but getting taken away from your family to
young age to become award is a very traumatic and
drastic thing. And I think something that I wish I
would have leaned into more is how Titus misses his
family is home and.
Speaker 4: Living a normal life. You know. I think it's a
cool thought to hunker down on. But that's me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's so interesting that you say that, because now,
reflecting on this group entirely, you've got you've got the
resentment for raz from the entire population, you know, you
have your resentment, you know, and then we've got Austraia,
who's also very resentful for in a couple of different ways,
towards Titus for one, at least for a little while,
and then you know, also you know internal struggle there too,
so that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I hadn't clocked that before.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, our whole side was very emotional. Yeah, overall,
I would say.
Speaker 13: Yeah, structure versus emotion interesting for me because I didn't
think rather would be emotional. But then I guess I
kind of set the sandard for myself as well in
that first episode because I was like, oh, he's like
breaking down. I guess it's just as who he is,
and it kind of like pivoted the idea I had
of Razroff at the beginning, and seeing everyone else the
Wards kind of mirror that as well. I don't know,
it felt right, and I thought it was kind of
fun seeing how opposite the two groups were in that regard.
Speaker 3: Unless that was ras Ross like breaking moment or maybe
just the whole group's breaking moment, like up until that point,
maybe they were a lot more structured. But our side,
because Ever was on that side, even though he wasn't
one of the Wards that like being more emotional, we
were immediately hit by trauma train.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and that was the bond at that point.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have So this isn't necessarily a
regret or like a more more of a missed opportunity,
because it was something that was in the back of
my mind when I guess we learned about death Magic
and we were thinking about how to utilize it, and
I hadn't yet decided that like Lear was going to
be this character that just you know, for the most
part manipulated light. That was kind of like his theme
towards the end. But like when it was all about
death magic, I wanted to bring his u one of
his skills, Jude star pupil, into the into the mix
of it. But because I had, you know, like a
held fast to the fact that he is supposed to
be this support unit, this healer, this uh, this you
know guy on the back bench, I never got to
use this move where basically, like I think when we
were talking about training, I would talk about how Lear
was basically going through like you know, sword patterns and
sword katter, that kind of stuff, you know, like you know,
in the evenings whatever. I think in that one Emiline episode,
you know, he's training, and I think I kind of
like didn't put enough effort into like say, okay, now
I'm training at this specific time, because essentially there was
a move that I wanted Lea to do if he
was more of like a melee character, where like every
single time Leo practices and trains, he is storing I
guess the kinetic potential of this swing so that if
he was to hit something, even if he swung really
hard during training, he wouldn't have damaged something, so that
like you know, during a fight, he would then tap
into that and he swings once and then like two
hundred attacks come from anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I was just like giving you double
damage for a while of just.
Speaker 1: Like seeing, you know, figuring out a way to say, Okay,
you're storing this much with your training on a daily
and so now you just do double damage for this
many attacks or however the case may be, until you
re yeah, respoil it or.
Speaker 2: You know, recollect that.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's interesting, yeah, PB, And I played with
the idea of like when he was like training or whatever,
he like swing and then swing at nothing, but like
you might hear an audible like collision, you know and
clang or you'd like a borrow from that and in
the future and say that one time where the so
indented when he swung into mid air was that attack.
But I stayed in the back too much, I think,
with lear to be able to utilize any of that.
So a bit of a regret, I guess, but you know,
just more of like a cool wouldn't it be cool
if Flair was cool doing this cool thing kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have an answer for this too. Something I
probably would have done differently is I tend to win IgM.
Speaker 2: I try to immerse.
Speaker 1: The players as much as I can, and this time
I did that by explaining magic to you the way
you would have been taught in dinn and I wish
I had just told you how it functioned from the
get go and then had you go okay, and then
break your brain a little bit to play a character
who doesn't understand the full scope, just because I think
it would have allowed you guys to do crazy things
with that magic. Like for a while, you guys were like,
but debt magic is separate from and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
all magic is that. They're just calling it debt magic
because they see it as you know, it's like a
they're seeing it as stealing from the future, right, a
resource they can't control or understand. So they're just giving
any magic related to time or taking something from another
realm or reality or whatever.
Speaker 2: They're calling it debt magic, but it's all the same.
All magic is sort of this weird conjuration.
Speaker 1: You're just taking it from somewhere and everybody can cast fireball,
but it just doesn't you know, like it's just how
you do it. So I wish I had done that
and told you high level scope from day one, so
that you could figure out, probably you know, a way
you wanted to play your character, and then have your
character grow to a spot once they learned more about magic.
Speaker 2: But I was interested to see if.
Speaker 1: Somebody who only thought the way magic worked in a
particular form, if they could break out of that. I
just like seeing if players will go to, wait a second,
can I can I break out of you know, that's
the way they.
Speaker 2: Say magic works.
Speaker 1: But if you've got a character like Brad who's doing
magic differently, can they bridge the gap from their understanding
to what Brad's doing and you know, learn that way?
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 9: The way I say it is that we all got
into this open world MMO without the tutorial and anything
and discovered it along the way, and I think there's
magic to that, you know.
Speaker 10: Like yeah, I love that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel
like it was really cool because there was like a
moment when I was playing Jude at the very beginning
where I was like, first of all, I was like
absolutely shitting my pants from the moment I was even
cast on the show, because I was like, holy fuck,
what am I going to do?
Speaker 5: I don't know how to do this? Oh my god.
Speaker 10: And so like there was this period of time where
like I know exactly in my mind where my line
of like learning matched Judes.
Speaker 5: And that was really cool.
Speaker 10: Because it was like she and I got to learn
and figure out things together. And then it made when
I when when I started like thinking more outside of
the box, or I started doing like asking questions or
playing a little bit more chess or trying to like
those episodes where we're all doing like head math where
we're like, wait, okay, what's.
Speaker 5: A cool fucking idea?
Speaker 10: You know, it made that in my opinion and in
my experience, it made that so much more satisfying because
I was like, whoa, I learned.
Speaker 5: It, Like I had no idea, and now I made it.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 5: It was like full anime transformation.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, anyway, Uh.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, let's answer this one. It just popped
up in the chat, but I know you all want
to talk about it. What happened to the Dala mirrors
when they went to New York?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: And then to the New Uh?
Speaker 1: What does that say? Then to the new Din? Oh,
there isn't a new Din. They because time isn't linear.
They actually created din. So the din that they grew
up in is the one that they end up creating
late later. But you know time is in an arrow anyway. Sorry,
So I'll answer that one about Dan, and you guys
answer the one about your daalha meres.
Speaker 9: Okay, I mean I guess because it was never realized,
you know, like what what happened to the Dalam is
all and everybody's different heads and headspaces because it's all
about yes. And the way this world works is that
I say something, we say something, and PB is like, yeah,
that's crazy enough to work.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 9: But in my mind, like Zorra, my Dalomere, when I
went to like, uh, you know, like New York, Zora
became a motorcycle. I just never called him.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about opening season two everybody coming in
on bikes, which would be the Dalamures. So I think
in my brain the brand is Dalamure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 8: And they all kind of look like the Delameres.
Speaker 2: We had their colors or like different shapes and things
like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we were only gone for like a day,
not even that hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy when you think about it, and then.
Speaker 3: What happened the thing is not for me, The question
is and what happened to them when everybody went to
New York? But what happened when everyone ascended?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like in my head canon as well, the
Dalomiles were like those coming They were called you know
Theo's Philip Pullman books where everyone's soul is an animal.
It's like, yeah, those creatures, that's kind I imagine that
the because Dalomo's find you're like you're connected to them
in like a weird way, are.
Speaker 11: Also mimic you, which is super creepy, which is why
the whole like that. That honestly parallels really well with
like Tituses, because when he was gone, it was like, you.
Speaker 8: Know, we were still lugging tatus is Dalamure around.
Speaker 11: And it was fucking traumatizing because it was just you know,
it was like him.
Speaker 2: And he would just pair it.
Speaker 1: Can I say that that was such a fucking cool
thing that Meyer came up with. I think in one
of the earlier episodes he just fucking randomly dropped this
bit of lore that was like, hey, I think it
would be really cool if Dalamere doesn't like talk at
all until the person that they're connected.
Speaker 2: To dies and then they just pair it them. And
I was like, that is so fucked up.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Then we ended up getting to use it in the show,
so yeah, it was really really good.
Speaker 13: I abandoned.
Speaker 15: Straight up.
Speaker 13: Like the thing is, I planned I did time bringing
them back, planning to bring them back like pretty much
from the get go, but then things just started like
really kicking off, and it just kind of slipped my mind.
Speaker 3: Because of how retro sorry going.
Speaker 13: I was just gonna say, my DYNAMI, it's like still
in that space between where I could see Titus but
not like get to him.
Speaker 8: Thanks for saving me.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. Your Dalamure just grows up to become the observer.
It's fine.
Speaker 13: I wait, I really like that.
Speaker 2: That's what I have written down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also have things of like you know
that you know, your sword exists still in the world.
So even though you guys have ascended, like your weapons
and stuff still exist.
Speaker 2: And now they're like legendary idol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got the crescent daggers that are Australias. Yeah there's
oh yeah, they're just legendary.
Speaker 14: I am good.
Speaker 13: Wait that makes observe even more now, okay cool.
Speaker 14: I didn't know that well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I originally was not my intention, but when
you know, the show ended, I was like, I always
take some time to look back and go, okay, now
where the you know, answers or the loose ends that
I just want to answer for myself, And that was
one of them, like what happened to your dalamure that you.
Speaker 2: Left in that space?
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, it would be so cool
if oh yeah, and then I just yes handed myself
right into that.
Speaker 5: It would be crazy if there's like no go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I'd be crazy.
Speaker 10: I was just gonna say, it'd be crazy if there's
like lineages of like uh, monks or something that get
the weapons and then they passed the weapons down from
ward and king to Warden King to Warden King, and
so like the ones that Astraia has are actually hers
from the beginning of time and the end of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, that's really fucking cool.
Speaker 1: Oh that sword that you have, Leer, that Lear had
was actually passed down and in that episode eight when
you guys were playing the original king Makers, one of
them had the sword, right, yeah, yeah, I think it
was Sonya that had the sword.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep, very very cool.
Speaker 1: So that one has been around for a very long time,
which is super cool, which actually leads into another question.
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me look for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in episode eight when they went back to the
beginnings of din, how did the events of that episode
and Irafear's actions change things in the story and setting
in some ways you hadn't originally anticipated from the beginning
of the show.
Speaker 2: If they did it all everyone.
Speaker 1: Was playing the ancient heroes except Brad played Irfere, it
felt like there was a bit of mental chess game
happening between you and Brad regarding the story or setting. Actually,
I had always intended that what I originally wanted to
do was have the original King Kingmakers that crew that
they went back and played their timeline was going to
be going backward as we were watching our Kingmakers go
forward until they like until they kind of like met
at one point. Would be awesome, but we just never
got to do that again. We never got to revisit
those characters because either you know, scheduling conflicts would have
somebody gone when they wouldn't be normally, So it was
just like we just never got a chance to go
back and visit those characters. But those characters originally came
from another continent under the instruction of either Blackbird or
Ira Fear to found Din, so they are the original,
like you know, Kingmakers. They paved the way for everybody
to you know, be born in the society, to be
structured in a way in which everyone respects Blackbird and
the fact that he is going to just come down
and pick an apprentice and everybody's like, yeah, okay, sure,
So they basically establish all of that at but.
Speaker 2: We made it, yeah, yeah, just because time's not linear.
Speaker 1: So so but like in a way, you guys are
you know king Makers twice over. You know, you've you've
you know, playing the people that kind of like that
up the land in the history as well, which I like.
Speaker 9: To think about the world of Din like in the
book The Three Body Problem, you know, like time is linear,
but also the fact that like within the three Body problem,
like within a particle, is a whole universe. Yeah, So,
like everything that we created, even though like when we
created din and it looked like Din as it was
present day, it doesn't mean that that's how it was
a split second ago when Jude was forming it, everything
around it could have been happening. Time itself could have
been happening, you know, like had we frozen time and
like got a camera all the way down and then
they know, got a macro lens on it, you might
have seen, you know, like Sonia and gold Sea and
everybody like you know, do everything.
Speaker 3: Else while the battle was happening.
Speaker 9: It's really really wild when you think about like these
characters as like being like you know, this posthuman kind
of like they're like proto gods before like everything happens,
and so like every thing around it's still fantasy in
real life and everything else and you have nocked in
and you have everything else going on, but like these
guys are like they're all like many Doctor Manhattan's just
doing whatever the heck they want, and it's really cool
to like kind of take a step back and think
about it and go, how would this happen? Or and
kind of explain it because it was storytelling, so like
you can basically put an excuse in it or like
a reason for every single thing that goes forwards.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm rambling.
Speaker 15: I'm rambling that that.
Speaker 3: Was also the least amount of mental Chess. I think
that we did the entire season that episode. I kind
of knew what the structure of that one was about.
And also Avery Fair was like drunken crazy, so I
didn't I wasn't playing any games. I just had to
be drunken crazy. I knew that we were getting to
a point at the end of the episode episode when
they would go and do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
said something that going that was the go and create
the Rivers of Din episode. Yep, the rest of it
was mental chess. That one was like the last mental
chess episode.
Speaker 1: I think between me and Paybe, that makes me think
of something else. What did you just say, Brad before
the mental chest bit?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's something. Yeah, the Rivers of Dinn.
Speaker 1: So somebody asked a question of like what what how
did Garoon get wounded?
Speaker 2: And what was that?
Speaker 1: There were a couple of questions about the wound, so
I'm just going to try to address those really quickly.
Speaker 2: Garoon is not wounded.
Speaker 1: So the prosecutor, which is the ranger version of Tim,
they trapped in the middle of Din. Remember if you remember,
like from that episode when they berthed in in, they
put an actual human in the middle of it. So
that's the wound, and he's slowly breaking apart Din so
as he's trying to escape. So originally there was another
reason for the wound, but this is just so much
cooler that I refuse to even acknowledge that the other
one exists did before now, so that's just it.
Speaker 2: That's canon now. But in the episode where we go
back episode.
Speaker 1: Eight, when we're the original Kingmakers and they look at
that tiny spot and they say, like this is gonna grow,
that's the wound actually, And it was my intention, like
with the Dalamres and everything, I assumed you guys were
gonna be going like an epic travel kind of situation
where you'd be going from one side of the din
all the way to the wound to head wound, word
to kind of like get to the wound and then
close it.
Speaker 2: But what you guys ended up doing was just like
you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I set out to be like, all right, here's a
general brainstorm roadmap for a JRPG. But what we did
I much prefer that, So uh yeah, we just didn't
end up traveling.
Speaker 2: As much as I thought we would. Otherwise, I think
the Dalameres would have played a bigger part as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, at some point during this, I think it
just became clear that the way Lea was playing Vega,
it made me go, wow, okay, you know, I'm playing
Groon in the first couple of episodes, both of them,
The Groon of Many and The Groon of One, and
I just noticed the way that Leo was portraying her character.
Speaker 2: I went, holy shit, it'd be really cool.
Speaker 1: If she ascends into Groon at the end of this.
But I didn't say anything, because I you know, I
don't want to railroad anybody's character. I just watch and
see what people do, and then I offer them stuff
and like, hey, if you want to do this, this
is cool.
Speaker 2: If not, we'll do something else.
Speaker 1: But yeah, at some point it just became clear, like
holy shit, this is an origin story.
Speaker 2: This isn't. This isn't we're saving the world. This is
we're birthing it. And I was like, that is so cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that I hope that answers the groon and
the wounds and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So can I say a weird thing?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Always you can say whatever.
Speaker 3: When I made the character of every Fair and I
was naming him, his name is Eru from Tolkien's Middle Earth.
Eru means he is, that he is, that he that
is alone, the supreme god and creator of all, which
is really weird. And then the second half of his
name is from Norse, which is and I'm going to
fuck this up, but it's a LA for a E
I L A E I f R every letter in
the alphabet, which means lone descendant. And it's just weird
because I didn't know any of this stuff. When I
made Very Fear, I had a weird process. This. The
process of making this character was completely crazy.
Speaker 2: It was very weird.
Speaker 3: But it is strange how we do end up becoming
the creator, like actually really kind of wasn't. But it's
weird that that became the story as well. And I
named him after those two things, and it's still happened.
Speaker 1: It was, but there was an episode where I realized
you had now become Ora Boris itself, like you were
a character that had no birth and no death, and
I went, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: And then my character sheet the whole time said the
future is my past and my past.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's why I was freaking out
when when it was There was an episode where you're
talking to Garoon and it's like, you know, uh, you
asked to be born in a certain way or something
like that, and I was like, my brain went, oh
my god, that's the moment.
Speaker 2: That's the deal he made with Karoon.
Speaker 1: Then it comes back and you know he's created by
Garoon and it is just kind of like his own Yeah,
so fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah it worked out really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very very good.
Speaker 3: That was going to be a palettein it first because
when you told me to first record my thing, I
was just supposed to be another one of these fucking
sword swinging, boring characters. They're on there, all the other
boring ones. But I was really excited. I was like, oh, yes,
because I love playing paladins. That's the thing. Yeah, most
people don't like playing paladins, but grudgingly, but I like it.
And then I was really excited to play a paladin.
And then Peebe went, you have to play the mad
I was like. She was like, no, you're right. You didn't.
You went, oh, what about if you play the mage
and you really excited about it and play.
Speaker 1: The mage and you you decided to do that on
your own.
Speaker 4: I didn't because I said.
Speaker 3: What am I going to do? You get really, We've
all seen people get really excited and happy about it.
What am I going to be? Like? No, when I'm saying,
is you emotionally blackmailed me into Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bar But here's the thing that I knew
what was going on.
Speaker 1: So when you were like I could play the Mage,
my brain went, oh my god, because it's going to
be you and.
Speaker 2: Me kind of like fighting each other the whole time.
And I was like, yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: I just one of the main reasons I was genuinely
like apprehensive about playing the major is I didn't want
to be blake again.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I was.
Speaker 3: A bit I think they're really similar, but Blake like Blueshian,
whatever you want to call him Wicks is not emotional.
This is literally if you haven't seen all of the
things you fucked up. But yeah, like the heat is
not driven by the same things at all, the way
that they are, the way that they kind of appear,
and the way that they attempt to do stuff. Because
Blueshian was all about creating chaos as well, because in
the chaos he would be able to find patterns that
he could use use to determine whether everything was real,
and had to do the same thing. He was like, fuck,
I can't even trust my own magic. I can't trust
whether what I'm divining is actually coming from a source
that is, you know, like being rooted through garoon or
our enemy or whatever. You know. At the time he
thought it was. And so they both had to figure
out whether they were in the matrix in their own ways.
But the reason area was entirely driven by the two
things of like love and kind of trying to be
the best. And then Vega showed up and he didn't
have to be the best anymore. So it was really
nice because he was like, oh cool, if I die,
it doesn't matter. They've got me in Vega, so I
can just fuck around.
Speaker 1: Which is so crazy because Vega ends up like marking
you and creating you like I don't, Oh my god,
just in madness.
Speaker 5: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, it was kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me have another question here.
Speaker 1: This one I think is interesting but I don't know
how you would answer it, but I'm just gonna ask
it anyway. Have any of you thought about, like if
there will be consequences for as sending and choosing to
be the garoon of Many?
Speaker 3: We all sort of did on the night that it was.
When we were talking about it pre the final episode,
there was like a vague idea of what was going on,
and we kind of went back and forth a lot
over like what's the right one to because there is
no like morally clear, no good answer, which is the problem.
I didn't really have to worry about it too much
because I knew that I was going to just become
whatever posthuman error is and then just be back on
that thing. But I remember everyone kind of going back
and forth over which one was the most approbre it
for the story and that what their characters would do,
and also which one is kind of morally clean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember everyone.
Speaker 5: Everyone went of Many.
Speaker 3: No one went yeah, crazy process.
Speaker 2: If it were me, I would choose one over the many.
Speaker 3: So you're a bad guy.
Speaker 2: It makes sense because I'm the back. Okay, but here
he out, hear me out.
Speaker 13: Okay, let's think know what the groon of one and
many means.
Speaker 14: It's my decision on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, why don't you go ahead and take off?
Speaker 2: Because I don't like speaking direct.
Speaker 13: Please, so like from what understand, so I'm current if
I'm wrong. But the gron of one was essentially like, hey,
there are so many universes splitting off from this, it's
going to end up just we're going to end up dying,
like everyone's gonna end up dying, gonna end up dying
if we don't like trim the shrubbery down to one.
Whereas the ground of Many was like, hey, it's not
a place to trim anything.
Speaker 14: It's let it go wild.
Speaker 13: And if we die, we die. And I had Radov
go of the ground of many because I don't think one.
I think, especially with how desiccation, how it came about
and apparently happening in every universe, I think right down
to the core ragific soone he wants to help as
many people as possible.
Speaker 14: And will take that burden on himself, and like.
Speaker 13: The apparently inevitable doom of all of the universes was
the equivalent of the droughts. To him, It's like, I'm
going to figure out a way to make sure this
doesn't happen. So I think he was like, Okay, we're
going to say as many people as possible, and I
refuse to believe that if we let them grow, we
will all die out.
Speaker 14: I'll figure out away.
Speaker 13: And that's why he went with the many, because with
the one.
Speaker 14: You have no choice. You're stuck with one. You can't
like undo that.
Speaker 13: So that was his kind of mindset when I picked that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so Lear, I mean, like the reason why I
chose what I chose is because I think I already
voiced it in character. But I did it because it
was the most selfish reason to do it, you know,
like he is not from where Vega is from, is
not where Jude is from. But they all found each
other and they are perfect for each other, and they
found each other through the cosmos, right, And that would
not have happened if they were all just you know, Lear,
Jude and Vega within one reality. You know, like I
think they had decided that it doesn't matter, like you know,
where they would always find each other. But I think
that just because by virtue of the fact that happened
with them, that they would want that eventuality to happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, ad infinitum.
Speaker 9: So that's why Learch chose that, you know, I don't
think that the reason for him to want to choose
the other. The other I think the lear at least
would be kind of like you know, evil, It would
be like contrary to everything that they had learned so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily view evil Leer as Lyer Dolls. Yeah,
totally totally get it.
Speaker 1: And I for the record, I think everybody chose what
their character would have chose.
Speaker 2: And in my head.
Speaker 1: Canon, this these group of people could have only ever
become a garoon of many. And then there's an alt
reality of events of kingmakers that we didn't see that
become the garoon of one, right, and it's the lead
without you know, Jude and without Vega and you know,
and then they become so but it's always these cores
that then ascend into the groon of one and the
garon of many. And for my brain and this is
just like my weird perspective on it is like if
if the heat death of the universe is coming.
Speaker 2: I view the garoon of like many to be like.
Speaker 1: Anti vaxers or people who are just like global warming
doesn't exist. It's fine, it's the natural order of things.
It doesn't matter if you know where the earth is
the time we're you know, destroying it and all this stuff.
I mean, it's not a big deal. And you know,
the grooon of one is like, yo, bro, we gotta
just like trim the fat a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't necessarily need like one timeline to
rule them all, but we need to.
Speaker 1: You know, this branch needs to be pruned a bit,
and over here needs to be pruned a bit, otherwise
we're all gonna die.
Speaker 9: But do I both seem very extreme? You know, like
that one is one lane. One is all the lanes there,
there's no midway.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think karoon is like one we need
one timeline. I mean, it's the garoon of one, but
it's not we need one timeline to rule them all.
It's more just like this reality has like eight different
things and the only small thing that differentiates them as
like one tiny decision, So we're just gonna cut this
and then merge them all into this one.
Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly why for Vgor I chose Many, because
it even the little line of right the getting before
we started was we are strongest as one, and it
was very much down to the interpretation of that that
I chose Many in the end, because from Vegas perspective,
she's been able to do these fucking extraordinary things that
she would never have even dreamed of being able to do.
And she's like, why there is no limit, Why should
there be a limit. I can do whatever I need
to do to save the people I need to save.
And she thinks, through doing it this way, there's so
many realities in which to find a solution that doesn't
involve destroying every reality.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's for it.
Speaker 5: It's interesting to you.
Speaker 1: Because, like the Groon of one, the idea that you
need to like, you know, prune to save everybody is
trusting yourself and your judgment, whereas Groon of Many is
trusting everybody around you.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a yeah, I.
Speaker 11: Mean, it also feels like, you know, and from the
perspective of the characters that were you know, in this reality, right,
the ones that we were playing based off of everything
that we learned, and at least like the reasoning for
Australia was that choosing to be the ground of one
would be choosing to give up on the abilities of
everyone around me to change the course of all of
this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is something to be said about the
Jude that we knew at the end was only present
because of a reality merging into another.
Speaker 2: Right. So it's just there is no morally right answer.
Speaker 4: And I love that.
Speaker 1: I personally love that you could argue either side, which
is super cool. And I think throughout our lifetime we're
going to go one side and then another and then another.
Speaker 2: As we grow and age and change. Sorry, Marks, please, no,
it's okay.
Speaker 5: I haven't, haven't I.
Speaker 10: Marco says, you have, Mars, just spit it out, just
start talking. The idea is maybe we have this understanding
of the garoon of one and the groon of many,
and the groon of many is like, just let everything go.
It's not our place. But maybe the garon of many
is just constantly trying to find another solution. So it's
not a letting go of uh, just let everything it's
not our place, but maybe it appears that way to
everybody except for the Garoon of Many, who is trying
to send her rangers to find the solution to the
heat death of the universe. In another way, maybe just
throwing it out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it like that.
Speaker 8: It makes sense.
Speaker 15: I mean I add to this. I mean this is
from an no, okay.
Speaker 4: Well what Liah shook her head.
Speaker 15: I looked at all the cameras and I saw one
head guing No, this is from very much an outside perspective,
because I haven't had as much time to think about
it the way you guys have. I see the Garoon
of One and the Grooon of Many as the same thing.
One is just at the beginning and the others at
the end. They one is a goal that someone sets,
and then the other is I guess the goal that
that they didn't realize they were trying to get to.
So the groon of One is actively trying to trim
the fat liberal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and it's almost it's almost like, I mean, that's
really good. It's almost like like the the math concept
of X approaching infinity. It never makes it to that
bottom line. It is always actively trying to get there,
but it can't. There's always a smaller number. I see
that as like the groon of one being very full
hearty and arrogant and actively infinitely trying to do this thing,
not understanding that they can't do that, and eventually, which
can't really happen, they have to be the groon of many.
It's almost like by accident, they have no choice. They
can't really affect everything and fix everything. But it's really
ridiculously high levels because your brains are melting. But I
definitely see them like it's just they're exactly the same thing.
Maybe not at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy, I'm.
Speaker 9: Talking too much here, But like for me, as far
as the character of Lear is concerned, he intrinsically is
a very selfish character. So had Jude not died and
had they been together in ascension for him, they were
one and so mentally not what is garun? What is
the groon of many? What is the groon of one?
But what are we now? I think Lear would have
gone one in that moment, whether or not the other.
You know, Jude and Beger would have gone the same way,
no idea, But like for Lear, if that was the
case that that's what he would have chosen, but because
Jude was gone, but the possibility of Jude will never go,
he went with many insteads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, That makes total sense to me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 11: I also before we move on, like in terms of
Myrgle's theory about it being kind of like, you know,
like the whole logistics thing of always trying to find
a solution, right, even like Leah's character, you know, she
was talking about how that was kind of a theme there.
I feel like the whole group choosing the one of
many kind of makes sense too, in terms of the
fact that we were always trying to find pulls and
always trying to like do things perfectly and it never
worked out perfectly, and I feel like that was part
of that consequence too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because then it's like just that that
same theme repeating over and over again. Then of course
you would choose many because you're constantly trying to figure
out another way another answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really really good.
Speaker 1: Did you guys, did anybody pull anything from hold On?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Uh, did you have anybody real or fictional that you
drew from as a reference point to inform your character.
Speaker 14: These sorts of.
Speaker 13: I think I mentioned this before or at least mentioned
this some friends before, but looks wise, it was based
on Sca and Covey from Lion King. I sat mules
with Pinchest for it, and it was like maybe t
humans everything else.
Speaker 14: It does different.
Speaker 13: Screenshots of coved and Sca in Lion King because we
had originally planned for Raddraft not to be a villain,
but like to have the potential and hit like all
of the tropes of a villain, but leave plant your
space not to be.
Speaker 14: So.
Speaker 13: And I'm just a big fan of Scar and Kobe
the look of it at all. So that's who I
poured reference from, looks wise.
Speaker 3: On his face.
Speaker 1: Is there an episode where you wear the Lion King
T shirt? Or did we not do that.
Speaker 13: So we couldn't You probably couldn't see because of the
way it was cropped.
Speaker 14: But I was wearing I don't have it.
Speaker 13: I don't have it on me, but I was wearing
a Lion King T shirt when we went to New York.
Speaker 14: The whole time as we were in New York, I
was wearing a Lioning.
Speaker 13: T shirt that has Scar with the two hyaenas on
either side of him, and I think he said like
be prepared or something like that.
Speaker 14: I thought that was like, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 13: I also we also us for that one as well
as a joke as the home of people I think
of brads for someone said I should wear like I
feel like tight leather top, and I got the lanking
top and that top, but it was very loud and
hard to wear, way way tired uncut when I thought
it was, so I didn't end up wearing it, but
in another universe was wearing.
Speaker 2: One version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to answer this one from Fay
and I know a million other people because I get
asked this a lot.
Speaker 2: But what are what do the card results mean?
Speaker 1: I mean, in a perfect world, So I coded that
website by myself, and I'm not the best at that
at all, so obviously, and I made the cards as well,
so I could only make so many.
Speaker 2: But just for Cannon's sake.
Speaker 1: There are obviously like infinite possibilities and combinations and more
animals than I'm able to like have on the website.
But the way that it would work is basically ranger recruitment.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we're just going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Range of recruitment is that if you want to become
a ranger, you need to go and find your quantumly
linked version of yourself and kill them so that they
cannot affect you anymore. Because when you're right, because the
moment one of them is observed, the waveform is collapsed
and only one remains right. So like there's there's this
whole idea that when you act and do things, you
will affect your quantumly linked part. So in order to
become a ranger that you kind of have to collapse
the waveform. Whether you want to be a ranger of
one or a ranger of many, that's what you need
to do. And your the card that you find is
the location of your quantumly linked other. So basically you
would a ranger will then come, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
Speaker 4: Are you freaking out?
Speaker 2: So yeah you would. You would.
Speaker 1: Basically a ranger comes to you essentially and talks about
the theory of like one versus many, and then you know,
if you're recruited, then they go all right, well, we're
gonna do a ritual to take you to this location.
Wherever this takes you, you gotta find yourself and you
gotta fucking take them out.
Speaker 2: And in my in my brain, it's like.
Speaker 1: People who try which it's whichever one wins then would
then become a ranger, whether or not.
Speaker 2: They because the the idea is if.
Speaker 1: You're quantumly linked, that that quantumly linked version of you
is not the one that like, you know, went to another.
It's so fucking similar. There's maybe one tiny thing off,
so that quantum version of you would want to be
a ranger as well. So it's like, whichever one wins
then would become a range.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of one or man.
Speaker 13: So cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's kind of what about the like the the
what is it?
Speaker 11: Because some of them were marked with red as supposed
to like yeah, ninety percent of the other ones were not.
Speaker 4: So thinking about how red card was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like all of them, Yeah, we're not
read one.
Speaker 2: Of them on one of them was.
Speaker 1: So that's crazy because that happened in Nocturn too. But
the red would imply that you are the only one
in existence. All the others have been taken out, all
of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or just the quantum linked ones, all of them.
Speaker 16: Guess guess whose character had read on their card? And
the only one from a certain show from Nocturn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was the only one ship. Yeah, and
that just fit with our story as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's usually.
Speaker 3: Just sidels, right, or three symbols.
Speaker 1: So there's an animal and then there's two symbols on
either side.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's so fucking crazy that a stray. It's
the only one lap and she made a fucking don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is why I freaked out when she so alone.
Speaker 18: I gest your intuition bit, there's some way in which
the game is absolutely haunted.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wanted to answer that one. The other
one i'll towards me. I'll answer as well. Were you
planning on releasing the rule book? Yes, I'm keeping my
tuesdays off so that I can write this and keep
follow the table story discord, and I will definitely be
putting info on it. I'm probably gonna need to do
another mini play test at some point, which, by the way,
thank you all of you for jumping into a game
that didn't exist until we made it, so that was
awesome and for helping me playtest it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, liked in Oh, I have.
Speaker 3: A question for you. Are you aware that you ripped
off jetly is the one.
Speaker 15: Yes, it was the first time I had you said that,
the quantum thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, so this is what me and Aaron
were talking about yesterday, about how every time you do
you can pour hours and weeks and months and years
into a project and then someone yeah, just like the one.
Speaker 2: And you're like, just like, that's what kills me. Rid
of it.
Speaker 1: I swear to god, if Final Fantasy seven remake is gone,
I I you know, my balcony.
Speaker 5: Is right there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let go anyway.
Speaker 3: It definitely is definitely has to be right. I'm going
to get you to move to a bottom floor.
Speaker 2: Oh god, okay, let's see. Uh this one.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's asked almost every time, but it's
a fun one. Hollywood sweeps in buys up. This fucking
thing never would happen. We would never sell it.
Speaker 2: But who would you cast to play your character?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Ships?
Speaker 2: How is it? Ship?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 19: Oh?
Speaker 2: God damn it? I had it.
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson, right, would be Titus, right, Johnny, because.
Speaker 12: That's your I would actually I love Rob patt I
would pick James McAboy.
Speaker 16: Oh oh wow, Robert Pat's too That changes.
Speaker 5: Some things for me personally.
Speaker 4: But okay, or which is two I based in physical
Remy Malick.
Speaker 3: Remy Mallick would play.
Speaker 2: Because that would change things for Miranda personally.
Speaker 3: That's why from me.
Speaker 10: Actually, yeah, Jack and I just foaming in the mouth.
Speaker 14: Honestly. Oh good, Oh probably this is.
Speaker 8: Difficult with celebrity names.
Speaker 9: So you guys would Robert Downey Jr. You know, Tropic Thunder,
Robert get Out. Oh he's a great actor.
Speaker 3: I love him. Yeah, I think it would be really
cool is if in a movie version of this, Lea
and raz were played by the same actor, like, yeah,
I already cost you.
Speaker 15: Or Mike Myers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like twins almost would be interesting. Actually, I think
I'll pick.
Speaker 13: I could be Jordan's Probably, I think I think you
he's good at playing like a I guess not so
great royal because he did in.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan's isn't like royalty. He's the Yeah, yeah he is,
but he wasn't like I guess, he wasn't like the
entitled royalty element. He was more grounded.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it felt like.
Speaker 8: Huh, Belly just said Gwendoll and Christie for Jude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ju.
Speaker 2: Would be really.
Speaker 10: Because ye, Margot Robbie is who I would cast as
to I think like a young, a young Katie Sackoff
who played Starbucks in Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3: I think I think Eilish for Vega. We already got
Vego Wolf.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 7: For baby Rose when she gets to her fucking ascended state.
Speaker 2: Was how I sort of imagine that changes things for
me personally? Good?
Speaker 15: I don't think I can't I can't choose. I shouldn't
choose Blackbird because I didn't create him, So peb would
play him Williams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that'd be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because Blackbird to be just like somebody else. Right,
and then this like warm fatherly figure with a twinkle
in his eye shows up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die.
Speaker 3: Who isn't cast Australia.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got no fucking idea who I would cast.
Speaker 5: What's her name? Her name?
Speaker 10: What is her name from? She's in a Blade Runner
twenty forty nine and she's.
Speaker 2: Also in.
Speaker 3: Dash Army.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I was gonna say Ava Green, right?
Is that how I'm thinking of?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Work, yeah, from my.
Speaker 3: Mom, because I need to have on screen chemistry from.
Speaker 5: Me Timothy Shallum this too much?
Speaker 3: Think you want Timothy Shallamy to play Australia.
Speaker 5: Timothy chalom Christ. Oh.
Speaker 10: Yes, Victoria Patretti is perfect. She's in Hunting of blind manner.
I love her and Hunting, you know what.
Speaker 8: I actually love her and I think that she would
be good for it.
Speaker 11: She plays like the Western name, the kind of like
tortured character, Victoria pretty.
Speaker 2: She's also on My God, I do love her.
Speaker 11: Yeah, she know she played Love on You as well,
and she's like, actually really great, so I wholeheartedly supported
that energy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's good casting. Ah Okay, I have.
Speaker 2: A couple more here. Some of them are a little
bit similar.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: I think this one is still worth asking, which is,
what's one thing you would tell the you that started
the game?
Speaker 2: Now that you've finished.
Speaker 3: It in a month or two, you're gonna have to
fucking go through the worst breakup everde Do you mean
about the game?
Speaker 8: Or yeah? Yeah, I think it was the game?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, easy.
Speaker 15: Miss I thought you said he's a mistake.
Speaker 11: On a daily basis, but she sends me that as
a message every single day.
Speaker 3: Today, I am I'm going to go ahead and say
something insane right now. I am really happy with my
entire character from start to finish. I don't know if
I would change anything. Really, I really enjoyed playing this character.
I would love to be able to tell the cast
to like dial it back. I don't know anything, Stop
asking me, tell like where do we go? What do
we do?
Speaker 2: Train the magic at high level? Because then they would
have understood that you really didn't know anything else.
Speaker 10: Yeah, nobody makes sense for the characters to still do it.
Speaker 2: You're right, the characters would.
Speaker 3: Still do it. But I think it was one thing
that I think I didn't enjoy eventually. It was just
how much screen time I was being taken up, like
it just it felt like it was so much er,
like the first bit of him being in it, because
everyone was like, what do we do? Er do something?
Aero fucking turn back timer, and I was like, I
am the only one who can do this. You can
answer this, or can even try, so I had to constantly.
It was just it felt like everything was funneling up
to me, and I really wanted to see what everyone
else could do, because it felt like everyone was still
learning their characters and I was too, And there was
a bit there so I'm really happy with the fact
that for a bit Eru dips. Yeah, and then they
didn't have that like guiding star or that hand to
hold of the big strong age who you know they
thought knew everything, But the problem is er acted like
you knew everything as well, which didn't help. But in general,
I really, I really really liked the way that this
played out for this character from start to finish. So
I don't know if I would want to go back
and influence much for my character. I like it a lot.
I love in this character in this campaign.
Speaker 7: Like I shouldn't encoencourage people at the time, like you
can do like the cool magic ship too, Like don't
trust me, you can do it. Like as a figure,
I was like, all, like, good, try give it.
Speaker 3: Afore it became Error's teaching style. He was like the
only one think I'm just gonna push off a cliff.
Speaker 4: You can fly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like there was him just being like I
can rip someone's tire and put it back in. I
can also make you all forget. I can let you remember.
I want you to be scared. You should all be
scared of dying. We're all going to die. Something's up,
you know, and it worked to a degree, but it
also turned them again. It turned Leah heavily against him
as a teaching, great narrative, it's amazing. But yeah, yeah,
me too. I really like the whole thing. Yeah, but
I'm with Brad.
Speaker 9: Apart from like the small things like you know, oh,
cool sword combo whatever, no character here on this show
was made just by the player that played them, you know,
like throughout the course of the season, everybody had something
to do with shaping that character.
Speaker 3: And because of that, I wouldn't change a thing.
Speaker 11: I think I would have told myself to be more
of an active participant in a lot of ways. I
find that on shows I typically struggle with kind of
like finding my footing and wanting to like take up
that space.
Speaker 8: So I always end up.
Speaker 11: Playing like a more supporting role typically, which is not
a bad thing.
Speaker 8: I enjoy it. But I think that is.
Speaker 11: Something that I would probably address in order to like
actually kind of have a little bit more development. But
also like just in terms of the relationships too, you know,
kind of out of character talking about you know, different
kind of things that you know, maybe cool moves or
maybe hey we should do a scene or something, and
kind of coming up with the concept ahead of time,
so we would feel a little bit more cohesive and
a little bit more.
Speaker 8: Prepared for something like that. I feel would have been good.
Speaker 3: Your group didn't have a discord about like cool moves and.
Speaker 8: No, we we did.
Speaker 11: We did, we did, but like we didn't. We didn't
talk like a crazy amount about that stuff.
Speaker 8: You know, we were just vibing.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I love you so much, but you're killing me.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think in some ways too, if I had kept
you guys separated for a little bit longer, or did
more of the purposefully separating you to allow you guys
a little bit more space, because it's a lot when
you've got six players together trying to juggle all of that.
But every time I thought about it, just didn't make
sense that you guys would separate after a certain point.
Speaker 2: You were like, you know, you're in it together.
Speaker 11: So yeah, yeah, I think I separated.
Speaker 5: Go on, Marx, No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say.
Speaker 11: And if we had separated, I don't know if, like,
if motivationally our characters would even have had that drive
to kind of like link up again.
Speaker 8: I agree, you know, unless it was just a circumstance, it.
Speaker 1: Probably would have been somebody went groon of one, somebody
went groon of many, and we would have been watching
them both at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: But I love that it was all six that, you know, like,
you guys then ascended into one version and.
Speaker 2: We just because the end. Yeah, well, because the idea.
Speaker 1: Then is that the audience is observing and collapsing the
way form, right, So that's kind of cool, just metaphorically.
Speaker 9: That's fucking sick anticipated like a giant Kaiju battle. Once
we ascended, like, oh okay, all right, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Another but I like that It's an origin story, not
a finale.
Speaker 2: So the fight was right before the ascension bit.
Speaker 1: And then for me, I just wanted to know what
you guys chose to ascend into, which was kind of cool.
Speaker 8: Myrtles was going to say something before Oh that's right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was just gonna.
Speaker 4: Johnny was about to talk.
Speaker 13: You want to say something too.
Speaker 12: Johnny, go Mark, I'll say I'll be quick.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 10: The only thing I still fully agree that I wouldn't
want to change anything. I can see that, Like at
the very beginning of the show, I took a long time.
Speaker 5: I feel like I genuinely took a long time to like.
Speaker 10: Catch up with like what everyone was doing, and Jude
was constantly still sort of making like small world decisions,
Like I had a hard time being like Okay, how
can I really influence the world, or feeling like capable
or even just having the ideas that everyone was having.
But at the same time, while it was happening, I
was like, I have no fucking ideas. I have no idea.
I hit sword, you swored to hit thing. And then
like while that was happening exactly, it felt, Yeah, it
felt so much like, uh, I don't know, I'm grateful
almost for that that period of like I don't know,
insecurity or fear or like not feeling like I could
do cool stuff more or not even knowing what to do.
It just felt like maybe I was just fully in
character and it totally made sense for her to like
not think the way anyone else did and to take
a really long time to get the hang of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then eventually.
Speaker 1: She's using alchemy and changing like chemical properties to blight
somebody's insights on fire, Like, come on, that was awesome.
Speaker 7: You'd had a really subtle but like really well done
character development. I think how she started out to write
to the end, like the confidence and what she learned
from being around everybody else, Like it was, she just
did a really good job of like slowly laying that influenza.
Speaker 13: It definitely went from like a stoicism at the beginning
to a confidence by the end. And it's very easy
to get those two mixed up if you're not really looking.
But I think it's very bet to support that change
in Jude for sure.
Speaker 7: Oh maybe I went from like stoicism masking like that discipline,
masking the lacks of confidence of faith in yourself into yeah, yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's Johnny Well Johnny Johnny Johnny Johnny Johnny Johnny.
Speaker 12: There's a lot of things I would should have told
myself looking back what I know now. Firstly, a big
one would be to always take risks. Peb is a
phenomenal GM and narrator and always yes as us and
I think, not just myself, a lot of us in
the cast, when we thought about these big, grandiose things.
Speaker 4: We'd be like, oh, I really don't want to mess
up the narrative.
Speaker 12: I don't want to ruin anything that could happen, and
maybe this big thing that I haven't planned, Mike go
to shit. And there just became a point for me
in the show where I was like, Pebe is phenomenon
is always going to yes, And so I just started
taking big risks. I was like, I'm gonna try to
clone myself. I'm going to become another homunculus Titus. I'm
going to try to put us in the gilded hair
and see if that changes everything. And that one was
really scary, but that's old sidebar. So one was just, uh,
I can't.
Speaker 1: Believe that, by the way, Yeah that was awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh man, so many good, so many good moments like that.
Speaker 4: So that was one would just take risks.
Speaker 12: And then the second kind of what Fay said as well,
this cast is a powerhouse.
Speaker 4: And I found myself a lot of the times being
like I don't want to step on anybody's toes. So
Titus to me is a supporting character and I don't
mind that. I like that.
Speaker 12: And I think that early on, if I just sort
of said, hey, find your niche of who Titus is
and don't be afraid to maybe step on someone's thos
or take those risks, Yeah, that fear would have dissolved
a lot quicker. So that was something that I definitely
wish I would have told myself at the beginning. So also,
bald caps don't work like you think. Always prep more
time for makeup. You can definitely black out from RP.
Like when I first entered the show and we did
the release of Titus, like I thought I was going
to fucking die, Like I was profusely say the same.
Speaker 8: The episode.
Speaker 11: It was the one of the It was the torture episode,
wasn't it, And like I think I was, I had
to be like the most awful person and I had
to like insult you and stuff, and I just all
of a sudden fucking wanted to pass the funk out.
Speaker 2: It was insane.
Speaker 4: I was like I might pass out during this so
that it is real, Like.
Speaker 3: I was like, just forgot all that off, you know.
Speaker 1: Just uh, there was a question that makes me think
of this.
Speaker 13: I would love to answer, yeah this as well. Yeah,
I kind of want to piggyback off of what Brad said.
Speaker 14: Earlier, with.
Speaker 13: Him mentioning that it got kind of stressed for everyone
being like what do we do?
Speaker 14: What do we do?
Speaker 13: And I wish I kind of told I could go
back and tell myself to like lean in more on
ras not seeing as this all powerful mage, because I
don't know if I did it well.
Speaker 14: But as to me, I think Rajof saw a roof
it as.
Speaker 13: Just a someone he loved dearly, Like he didn't really
care they could do magic. It was Corey could do magic,
but it wasn't why he was around him, And I
wanted it to be a case of like, yeah, everyone
has all of these theories and ideas and legends about
the Roof here, but to Rajof, he's just that.
Speaker 14: He's the.
Speaker 13: Friend who became way more than a friend earlater on
in life that could barely swing a sword when they
went to summer like summer camp together, or would ended
like I guess, like entertain him being so infatuated with
this taboo magic and allowed him to like kind of
mess around with it and play with it like just
a I don't know, just kind of like be some
normal person around him. And I wish I like leaned
into that more, which I'm not sure if it really
showed that much.
Speaker 11: I think at the very minimum, like our did a
good job in most parts of trying to convey that,
like I know the relationship with Austraya and er Fear
was particularly like, you know, vulnerable in terms of Raya
recognized that he was misunderstood, and she tried her best
to kind of convey that, hey, you know, I understand,
like you're pissed off about X, Y or Z, but
there's a reason behind it, Like this is why he's
doing it, Like there's like actual stuff going on up here,
and he's not just like some fucking, you know, crazy
psychopathic like all powerful mage.
Speaker 3: We got that like once each I think early on
in the I don't remember Rasroth being one of the
characters that was like very what do we do next?
And also Eru and Astraya had a couple of they'd
have those quick sides where they'd have like a sidebar together,
which I think I wish we had more of those.
I wish I had a couple more scenes with Titus,
because I don't know if we got as strong of
an understanding of what Ern Titus relationship was, because it
was just kind of so hard to get. He was
always in the middle of some crazy shit going on
and transforming into a homoculist and trying to kill us
and shit and I think in this dynamic like those
two are the Wards. So whenever Er was around, they
probably did hung out and they would talk like I
think everyone in Australia had that like bff relationship. They
were like combing each other's hair and watching Buffy the
Vampires like you know, and just.
Speaker 20: Like hut each other where they were crying, yeah, talking
about the boys they liked.
Speaker 3: And but I think with Titus there was a point
where me and Johnny were trying. I was trying to like.
Speaker 12: I knew you're gonna bring that. I was like, I
almost said it earlier. What's one mistake he was? I
wish I would have speed rand like I.
Speaker 3: Was trying to like, But I imagine them doing that
like that, Like that, I can see a training montage
where Titus is rock Lee and completely magically enhancing him
and being like, okay, well we'll do this one day
in battle. And actually Er isn't isn't hasn't been in
that many direct battles, and even when he is, he's
just probably in more of a like a separate part.
He doesn't really get in there and swing swords and stuff.
So I imagine they would have been practicing like Chrono trigger
combos a lot of the time, and yeah, I don't
know if we got that across too much, but I
do know that it was in the back of my
head with all of the role play that I was doing,
and we would always kind of discuss him. Yeah, that
would be I would love if this was an anime,
it would need to have mini prequel shows of both
the trios.
Speaker 11: And yeah, because we got Emily, it would be wild
episode where like we got a lot of the backstory
kind of behind the other set of words. I do
wish that like we had had some opportunities I guess,
or like the story had allowed for it, because there
just was no really.
Speaker 3: Cool to see some one one summer of training. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when we originally talked about it too, we
had talked about doing flashbacks for everybody and going back
and kind of seeing you know before, but it just
didn't work out that way vibe wise, which was That's
always an interesting thing when you're you know, either GMing
or being in a show, and you know you kind
of have these thoughts or these ideas of possibilities. I
never like to actually plan anything out in stone. Like
somebody asked, Yeah, well, I mean, you can do it,
but then you end up, you know, railroading the game,
which I personally just don't enjoy doing because I think
it's more fun for me to see, you know, what,
what the players want to do, or the crazy ideas
that they come up with, which just an it makes
it fun and exciting for me too, because then I'm like,
oh wow, you know, and then I get to you know,
add on to it feels like I'm playing. It's just
a different version of playing, which is a fun and exciting.
But somebody had asked what character creation was like, and
you know, Brad had briefly mentioned being a mage, and
I think, if I remember correctly, I said to you guys,
you're all playing nights.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: When I originally pitched the show to everybody, I said,
you know, this is it. You're all playing nights. But
then on character creation, I said, there's room for like
a traditional mage that doesn't do the sword and board,
but everybody uses magic, so don't feel like you can't
use magic if you're doing the sword and board. And
then two of you are aired as a throne, and
that's all I told them, And then they I think
you guys decided on the words right, like together, you
were like, ooh, let's do two and two and we're
gonna serve.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: It was really really cool, and it informed liked in
in their area that they're in. And then I went
and I wrote, you know, history for the.
Speaker 2: World around that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you guys want to Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 9: It's not like a personal character hang up. But like
I think as a member of the audience, one character
I would have liked to see more of, or at least, like,
you know, given more opportunities to like explore them, would
have been Titus, just because they did seem to be
very you know, like a in general. Titus did have
a very deep backstory and did have a lot of
like things going for him and a lot of adversary
going for him as well, inside and out of the
cast because obviously you know the whole you know, seen
outside the cave or inside it, you know, and all that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like one thing that I noticed it was
it was Chef's kiss.
Speaker 9: But one thing that I noticed outside a character was
the subtle change, you're not so subtle change of his character.
Sheet title from from Titus VI uh bring Guard to
Titus the Hormunculus, and it was one of those things
where Lear wouldn't know, you know what I mean, like
it's just and that's just yeah, like.
Speaker 4: That was you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, he was.
Speaker 9: Just Titus the Homunculus and he'd been like that for
like half a year. But nobody had spoken to Titus
deeper than you know, you get to go. And so
if Johnny or Titus had anything under the hood there
to like, you know, uh, show those frayed threads of
him not being who he thought he was, I don't
think the opportunity was there. And I guess Lear doesn't
know Titus and Lear isn't part of that three that trio.
So even though I saw and I was like, ah,
I see what you're doing a little bit, I I
stayed back and I would love I would have loved
to see where that.
Speaker 3: Would have gone if that was resolved later. You know.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we needed more, like more scenes with like that
core group from Britain Guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 8: I think I think we would have been able.
Speaker 11: To get a lot more of the signs had we
had those of Titus kind of feeling different in that way.
Speaker 12: I tried to throw something in that you guys probably
didn't catch, but they were very, very minute, Like I stopped,
I stopped a bunch of things, and I was like, hey,
I'm not the same, but it's like.
Speaker 5: It's so fucking cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I totally wanted to do because I was so concerned
that everyone would think that this was just blake and
I was like, I have to show some emotion on
this character, but I can't do it in these scenes
in front of these other three people. Just can't have
to get them. That was to hang up and I
really wanted to do. I really wanted to do an
AIRU does the patch up the mom and dad relationship,
like or at least take you both aside and be like, titers,
what the funky going on? And then be like so
he said this to me, and just do that for like,
I wanted to do a whole episode where I was
just quiet crapping one of you, being like, what's going
on with you? Right? Okay, hold on?
Speaker 20: And then I remember that like what I'm around it
and I wanted to I wanted it up or at
least get some answers, but like completely drop the erro
fair things.
Speaker 3: This was like way back in the beginning as well,
and he was just like, oh my god, you guys,
you won't believe that. He said that straight shut the
fun down. He's such a past it's the whole time
you want so bad, so bad, But it was it's
so hard to find time sometimes because there's a lot
of ship popping off a lot of time as well,
it's hard to be like I.
Speaker 13: Mean, like, I'm angry with you Titus for leading my
friend astray, but also the war's ending, like we I
can't do anything. No, I can't be angry. You can't
you let you anything like that because like things are
actually getting worse and we can't, like you'd lose universes
because he broke my friend.
Speaker 4: I felt the same way.
Speaker 12: There was a bunch of points where I regretted that
I didn't get at least one scene with ras Roths
for Titus to say, hey, I did what I did
because of everything that happens with the desiccation. I'd rather
have Ray live and me die, or me go to
purgatory or this damn cave.
Speaker 4: But but but you did this, whether than that's.
Speaker 3: Fair or not.
Speaker 12: Obviously, knowing the grand scope of the show, it's not,
but I regret that we never had that one on
one scene as well.
Speaker 2: With Yeah, so that's something I went to, Sorry, you
go ahead.
Speaker 13: Yeah, because I'm gonna say because when ras were found out,
I had like writers say, like, I understand, but I
don't forgive you. And I said that Philly with the
expectation of like us being able to continue like navigating
that because I think it was abous very clear that
by the end of it. Yeah, I loved Titus, it
was very clear, but I want to like show that
journey of the forgiveness and like understanding and like still
being angry and showing it's still okay to be angry
about it despite having like him having good intentions and
it working as well. But like, yeah, there were so
many things happening, they just didn't you know what we
should have got weirdly small.
Speaker 8: Competitive Wait wait before Brad you speak.
Speaker 2: That's why I.
Speaker 11: Had Rey essay I'm sorry at the end because she
finally understood.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh well, it's a fun story as well, having the
like the greater thing going on and also this personal
relationship and how those two things you have to weigh
up what's important. But you know what we should have
done is what we did with the Serebian Project where
we recorded Midweek Ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we should.
Speaker 3: Have done a conversation. Yeah, we should have done these
campfire conversations that were outside of the thing between the
two groups and just be and then you could have
played them during the episode, oring the you know.
Speaker 1: The other thing that we could have done. And just
to be clear, none of these are regrets.
Speaker 2: I love the show. I love the way that it
turned out.
Speaker 1: But sometimes when you're you know, looking at the end
and looking back, you think, oh, maybe if I had
tweaked this like it would have you know, provided something else.
So I'm saying it from that standpoint. But what could
have been interesting is not going the world is ending
right away, just allowed you guys like you know, a
couple you know sessions you know, five or six, maybe
even before we do episode two right where Garoon shows up,
you know, and allowed you guys to really get to
know each other and only be worried about running from
whoever was killing the king right which we now know
was you know, las in them.
Speaker 11: But so you know, I got of explored did more
in that in that kind of time period aspect as well.
Speaker 12: I agree with don't just because the intro I'm just
saying no, but to count to just play Devil's advocate PB.
I think that the opening episode for an audience, at
least because I wasn't a member of the audience at
that point, it was so just you tune in and
it's the battle of the bastards.
Speaker 4: It's that high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would still be the same. It's just
the first little while you're running from them. You're running
from the coach for the first couple of weeks, and
you're hiding and you get to like have all that development.
Speaker 2: But also at the same time, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What that would have been like, you know it because
the intensity was something that really kept that was really.
Speaker 2: Good about the show as well. So yeah, it's it's tough.
It's just one of those.
Speaker 11: Things that wouldn't have changed the opening at all. Yeah,
the premiere episode was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, very very good.
Speaker 10: I like to think that. But uh TV said something
like wrote something about the finale, which is, this is
our favorite version of the show. And I like to
think that in every idea that we have about the show,
there is a version of the show where it happened
and that there is a continuous head canon of all
of us building the show in our minds for the
rest of our lives, about all the things that could
have happened or didn't or you know, all that kind
of stuff. And what I love about it is that
it's like it was a show, but it's also a
living thing that gets to continue on, just as it
continued on within itself.
Speaker 2: Legends, legends are born.
Speaker 1: I think I think We've got one more question and
then I'm going to let the cast go and I'm
going to read you guys a thing.
Speaker 2: For just lower purposes and wrap up.
Speaker 1: But oh wait, two more Sorry, Okay, second to last question?
Have you ever had a dream of yourself while you
were in character in the game?
Speaker 3: Did you ever Dreamyeah?
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that.
Speaker 10: You were when you that you yourself?
Speaker 3: So good? The question because all I have that's what
they say in my head. What was the actual question?
Speaker 2: Did you ever dream? Did you ever have a dream
you're in characters? Did you dream as your character?
Speaker 8: Like ever? Had I ever had a dream where you
were your character like a wish?
Speaker 5: Like a wish as a dream your heart maaks like
that kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Thanks? Okay, just shot bad brows.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I did thank you a series of Nightmare for a while.
Speaker 3: I had a seriously for a good time.
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah when the show.
Speaker 12: For when I first got into the show, I mean
I did some weird things to get into character. Like
I listened to Fay Cry, like first sixteen minutes on Loop.
I had it on a file on my iTunes that
I would play when I was driving, Like I would
listen to weird stuff.
Speaker 4: So like that all.
Speaker 2: Johnny, we had.
Speaker 11: The reunite scene like when we when you were getting torture,
the two of us, Johnny and I were actually like
writing out.
Speaker 8: That, yeah, we're rewatching this scene right now, and like I'm.
Speaker 11: Like I'm trying hard not to cry, but like I'm
supposed to hold on to this for the episode to start.
Speaker 8: And I'm just like sobbing at my computer.
Speaker 10: Like Johnny is the actor on set who like is
playing a cannibal and decided to eat human flesh, like
just at.
Speaker 1: The pitch locked his closet for how many hours Johnny
was too long?
Speaker 4: I think I made it like four.
Speaker 2: Gross anyway, Yeah, yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 13: Think about playing I.
Speaker 10: Was a wish that your heart made, like like did
the characters have a dream for themselves?
Speaker 2: Have you had a dream where?
Speaker 3: And during that I had one.
Speaker 2: I don't have a train, baby, I made my life, Jude.
Speaker 5: I'm doing sword training.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fucking yon out.
Speaker 11: There was actually one though, it was I had a
dream that I was like and this was actually something
I thought about doing on the show that like it
was just an entirely empty space, Like it was all black,
and the floor was just like all like water, right,
Like it's like a.
Speaker 8: Layer of just like thin like a thin layer of water.
Speaker 11: And it was like Austraia talking to the other Austraia
and like having a back and forth dialogue, and like
there was like some sort of a well or something,
and I was thinking of like utilizing that well and
some sort of like combat kind of variation to try
to like pull from the well in order to like
utilize it as like a level of power and maybe
like have the double either disappear or have it like
takeover or some shit, have it be I'm like, you know,
its own entity in order to like fucking you know,
do all sorts of shit. So that was actually a
really a really weird one that I'm not sure what
the purpose was, but it was a dream.
Speaker 9: Thinking on it, I think maybe maybe travel just travel
on the dallamere. It's just going yeah, you know, like
three and then six. Nothing really too crazy. I mean
if I if I think too hard on it, I
think I'll make things up. But the travel thing, for sure,
you know, just in the desert, going from point A
to point B. You know, like, yeah, I don't Yeah,
that's it for me. I don't make stuff up.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And but finally, do you guys have any like last
thoughts or questions for each other or anything that you
want to say about the show before I.
Speaker 2: Kick you out?
Speaker 9: There was that one question about like, you know, character inspiration,
stary and vision boarding and stuff like that. I didn't
answer that one. Uh so I guess question. Okay, never
mind then no, no, no, no, I gotta know, uh, I
mean lyrics. The character design was basically Avatar aang from
the comic books like where he's like, you know, in
his thirties, and I just said, hey, uh myrgles, that's him,
but make him black and more me do something about
the tattoo on his forehead. I've gotten ideas for that
and then yeah, she she just did it off that
the character himself, the characterizations, I mean, like again, uh,
Geoffrey Birathian tempered by two people who would basically making.
Speaker 3: A human being.
Speaker 9: And then the way I do all my characters mostly
except for like a couple now, which is they are
shaped by their environment, so whatever happens. So like, you know,
he hates Seraphia because Rafit did something. He likes this
because this happened to him. You know, he likes Pisa.
He's afraid of a gluten you know that kind of thing. Yeah,
I can't belief his Pisa body was it was it
was a monster.
Speaker 2: Why is it so dark?
Speaker 1: I when I'm on my deathbed, I will remember that
and then I'll die laughing.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great, good.
Speaker 8: God to touch on that.
Speaker 11: When I started with Australia, it was very much so
like I was talking to PB about how I wanted
her abilities to be akin to like Siri from The Witcher.
Speaker 8: I feel like.
Speaker 11: Emotionally and like ability wise, she was very much so
a mixture between Jennifer and Siri, because the Jennifer side
of it was like that inability to like temper your
emotions and control them as well as like that kind
of reflecting and you know her destroying the gardens at
one point and things like that.
Speaker 8: So a little bit of a mix.
Speaker 17: Of both.
Speaker 3: Love you guys. Siri from your phone, I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 2: From your iPhone eleven?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna steal Trevor from I like to think that.
Speaker 3: Uh No.
Speaker 12: Something that was really cool for me about this experience
is typically when I write a character, I spend a
long time writing them. I'll start a notebook, I'll start
a vision board, I'll do a shit ton of stuff
for months before I'm really ready for myself to play
a character. And what was really cool about this experience
was Pebe kind of it was like, hey, do you
want to do the show? And I was like, oh
my god, yes please. And she put handcuffs on me
and just pushed me into the deep end of a pool.
And they gave me such little information, but it was
the right information. They said, Hey, we want you to
play this character that has golden retriever energy. He's named
He's named after Titus from Final Fantasy, who I still
don't know who is to this day.
Speaker 4: So I had to look that up and then wow,
and then and then we.
Speaker 12: Open up Kurt and we open up curtain and Pepe goes, oh,
this is the scene where you die. And for me,
it was such a cool experience to never role play
as a character and go this is your final moments
and I words from there and yeah, and Fay could
get emotion out of a rock man. You could put
a boulder in a fucking loan room and Fay could
get it to role play with just the energy she
brings and the whole cast brings amazing energy. But for me,
that was one of my favorite parts of the show
to just be like, hey, this is your character is.
And I like to think that Faye and especially Dracus
Raz in the beginning part of the show crafted the
character more than I did because their emotions led me
to feel who he was. I have a lot of
fond memories of the show. It was a big honor
to be a part of this. Thank you Peb, thank
you Gas for lett I mean be a part. I
love you guys, and yeah, smile brand Mi.
Speaker 1: Note before I start crying, because that was unexpectedly emotional.
That was one take I don't think I ever told
anybody that it was.
Speaker 2: That was one fucking take.
Speaker 1: That intro where Titus and Estralla Di they did it
one time and I was like, well, that's great, thanks guys.
Speaker 8: We didn't write anything either. No, it was literally just.
Speaker 5: Like let's go, yeah, which is something.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to do. For any of the scenes,
and all of the scenes.
Speaker 1: With the three bad guys that you know, Cord, Greennig
and Trench did.
Speaker 2: All of that was improv as well.
Speaker 1: I basically just like set the scene and was like go, because,
as you guys saw in the finale episode, it was
important to me that every aspect be improvised.
Speaker 2: As much as possible. So and we managed to pull
that off. So that was awesome.
Speaker 3: That's not easy to do, by the way. It's fucking weird.
You get chucked into a fucking call with whoever, and
sometimes you don't know them that well, and then Pebe
just goes, all right, do the best acting you've ever
done in your life. Go, and you go, I'm sorry,
and you just have to go for it. It is
so weird to have to do sometimes.
Speaker 8: So the thing is too.
Speaker 11: The cool part about their recording Johnny not to like
just totally fangirl over this. I didn't even realize at
the time that like we were gonna bring in Titus
is like a playable character, right, but also that he
would be some sort of a rack Kneid kind of
fucking like Spider theme character.
Speaker 8: And I opened up with what a tangled web we weave?
Speaker 11: Like, what the fuck did you base that off of,
like the scene we had or did you just have ideas?
Speaker 8: Okay, so you.
Speaker 2: Did all right.
Speaker 12: I had to hold back a lot in the show
as well, For example, the choke on Jude, the debt
magic for Jude. I had that in my mind since
since that recording, and I went, you, you have to
find a way to do this, and I wanted to
do it so many times and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, this is it and I was so glad I
saved this finale.
Speaker 12: And then there was one more when Aeru breaks his
hand in New York. He punches the ground and breaks
his hand and we're all like panicking because he's injured.
And I promised Peep at the start of this show
because peepe thought it was cool, or he's mentioned to
me she thought it was cool. She was like, it'd
be really cool if tys could swing from webs and
I was like, peebe, I have a big obsession with
Peter Parker, with Spider Man.
Speaker 3: I won't do it.
Speaker 12: And that was the That was the only moment I
was like, and then I just grab Aaron was swinging
through New York. I had to resist, but a lot
of resistance show.
Speaker 1: But what would What we could have done is that
you saw a comic and then you went, oh, ship,
I could probably do that.
Speaker 2: And then he did it, dude. Yeah, just all the
ads for yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely hilarious if he was dressed entirely as Spider Man,
because they didn't realize that it wasn't just fashion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: For some reason they keep.
Speaker 1: Saying, is that the brand?
Speaker 5: I think I'm a celebrity here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? None of us even either, Just like.
Speaker 2: I take a selfie with you what.
Speaker 3: Center and a Spider Man out fan in dog biscuits.
Speaker 14: The whole time in New York was wild.
Speaker 13: It was ridiculous, A good chance to bring some like
jokes and leberty.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was another moment that was like insanely cool that
I don't even think we were on screen for was
when PB revealed to us.
Speaker 2: I wish you had been on screen when I told you, yeah,
I thought.
Speaker 3: Like you cut away and then you had like New
York play and you were like, you're in New York now,
and all of us went fucking listing. It was crazy. Yeah,
it's a shame that we don't have that.
Speaker 2: I don't think record we don't.
Speaker 3: It was a really good moment.
Speaker 2: I can't and would you believe it?
Speaker 1: I was nervous to follow through with that because I thought,
you guys do jumping this shark. I had always planned
on doing it, always going to yeah, well, I mean
it was a potential if you did the thing. It
was always what was going to happen? Right, And but
I just I thought it could happen so five. I
thought it could happen, you know, whenever. But there came
a point in the show where I went, we've done
a significant portion of the show where it's you know,
you guys are in Dan and you're super into this,
you know, Dan.
Speaker 2: And these characters, and I'm like, do I do this?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 2: Do I do I just.
Speaker 1: Jump the shark? What feels like jumping the shark for
the players? Are they going to feel weird about it?
But you guys, the moment I.
Speaker 2: Was like, you guys are in New York and you
just fucking lost it. I was like, yeah, that was
the right choice. It's so good.
Speaker 3: Man, it was good. I've also been through Gone, so
I don't think there's anything you can do. Yeah, we're
what we're hearing? What the fuck I'm someone else?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: I was so relieved.
Speaker 12: I used to DM so many members of this cast,
going Okay, this is what this is.
Speaker 4: There's a river, are was a triplet? Are we in gone?
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then when we were in New York, I was like,
finally something I could google a Google map the goo,
which I now say, now, yeah.
Speaker 8: Why did I fucking say that?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but.
Speaker 16: I'm glad so many because I got to beat Tim
and be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 16: No, you're the good don't ever say that. I had
one tiny little thing and it's absolutely an easter egg
that I don't think anyone in chat caught and PB
knows what I'm saying now, Uh, now that I mentioned
that somewhere in the show. Actually twice, it was twice
in the show, right, I think you did two times?
Peb uh. There is a THEO Easter egg.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, multiple times there is Theo's at least twice Theo's.
Speaker 2: Voice, We're okay, well, but they don't.
Speaker 3: Want to go for the full I'm going for.
Speaker 2: They don't because they don't know. They don't know, so
go watch it.
Speaker 1: In Nocturn, there's a moment where THEO like looks up
and says, like, what the.
Speaker 2: What was that? Did you guys hear that?
Speaker 1: But it's to no one? And I put it in
king make her as you guys are walking through the woods. Yeah,
straight up, you guys are walking through the woods. And
then THEO goes, wait, what did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Go find it? That was THEO and he says the
same thing, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which was like fuck. Was like I feel like at
one point there was a gone reference to like decks
in this show.
Speaker 2: Was there?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: I guess not.
Speaker 5: M hmm, I have a nice thing to say.
Speaker 19: Oh I like to think that anyway, because no one
else is talking, can you be?
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 16: As well?
Speaker 2: Such a good why is it funny?
Speaker 14: On purpose? I swear?
Speaker 13: I think I realized about myself is that I'm really
good enough For some reason, I really enjoy like painful
goodbye scenes because I think I felt the most joy
playing ram Lacia when he was like he knew he
was going to die, and I was saying, it's like
subtle good byas to everyone, and I really enjoyed that.
I'm realizing that I just want to play characters that
would die.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 4: I just like to play characters that kill my friends.
I got Lea, I got Myrtles p next.
Speaker 1: I definitely thought dead before the end of the game.
I definitely was like I was going to kill.
Speaker 5: Well, so I was supposed to die. But then and
I was dead. I was like, I'm dead, guys, this
is it. This is the end.
Speaker 10: And then Aaron messaged me out of nowhere and was
just like, do you want to be something? And I
was like, what did he say? Hold On, I need
to say it because it was It was perfect in
my opinion.
Speaker 2: Karon is perfect.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, he is.
Speaker 10: When does Razra does it does change things for me? Okay,
hold on, So what what did he say? He said
something like, I have an idea, but of course it's
you need to, you know, say yes to this or whatever.
And he said, do you want to be reborn. I
will not do anything without your say so, and I said,
it is not the choice of the born to be,
so I trust you implicitly, and then I just let
him do whatever. And so I didn't know exactly what
was going to happen. But then when he was like
when he was just like he said, Okay, I'm going
to make you either a sun or a moon, and
I was like, son, because that is like the power
that Lear works with, and that is like the thing there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the light.
Speaker 10: And so I was like, I want to be the
light that can feed lee magic. I want to be
the light that vega that like grows vegas plants. So
that's what I wrote to him about it, and then
he yeah, exactly.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So I was just like okay, yeah, a son, one
hundred percent. And so then I wasn't even sure that
it was gonna work out or what he was going
to do. And then he just said it and I
was like, I guess I'm doing this, and like Peb.
Speaker 2: Had no clue, clue whatsoever.
Speaker 10: It was like, and I felt like I was like
the only thing is that I know that Peebe, Like
everyone trusts Aaron implicitly, and I was like, whatever decision
Aaron would make, I know that it would be the
right decision. So I was like, Okay, I'm down, but yeah,
I was like fully committed to dying in the app.
Speaker 5: And then man, it was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah you actually to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, please continue merk no go go go go.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just uh, a couple of questions about the end there.
You had approached me right before the finale and said
that you wanted that end for Jude, right, just so
people don't think I like tried to kill you on purpose,
but well, for sure he left it open either way
of like, well it could or could not happen. So
when she says she was supposed to die, I think
that was just what she was hoping for her character.
Speaker 8: But it wasn't already.
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 10: I we talked about it, and I was like, I'm
going to fight to live, like I'm going to fight
Titus with the intention to live. But I know that
Jude has some debts to pay, and it just makes
sense to me. It just made a poetic sense to
me for her to for her to die, and then uh,
all the roles worked out that way, So I was like,
this is just it, guys, like we're we're done, you know. Yeah, anyway,
I just want to say thank you this show just
to end off on like what the show means to me.
This show is like incredibly special to me and will
be for the rest of my life. And uh, I
know that we're all bashful out saying these things, but
it's truly been like a hallmark moment in my creative,
aspirational life, living.
Speaker 5: Experience on this planet.
Speaker 10: And I'm incredibly grateful to be here. And thank you
all for allowing me to talk your ear off this
entire time.
Speaker 1: Thank you for throwing yourself down the stairs a couple
of days before the finale so.
Speaker 10: That you can high welcome it was so I just
knew it was gonna slap so hard to just come
back with that full shiner.
Speaker 1: Yep, let's do a final round of shout outs before
I take over and answer some more questions from the
chat and read you guys something.
Speaker 2: But yes, I'm gonna let the cast go first. So hey,
you want to start.
Speaker 11: Hi, I'm failing. I played Austraia. What a journey man.
Thank you guys so much for being along with us
on this crazy little thing. There are a lot of
things that we wish we explored, There are a lot
of things that, you.
Speaker 8: Know, we wish we could have put in.
Speaker 11: But there is just so much amazing content in this
whole thing that I think that if you haven't fully
watched it, go back and watch it.
Speaker 8: It's a really great show. All these people are amazing.
I love you guys.
Speaker 11: I'm sad I'm not gonna be with you all on
Tuesdays anymore, but I know you're gonna do great things.
And yeah, I'm on Twitch and Twitter and stuff, same
name as in the description and what have you for this?
Speaker 2: So get a new show?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Oh god, I was like, wait a second, I left
my body dear headlights to was that Relea?
Speaker 18: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, yeah, Dan and I are going to be
in a new show.
Speaker 2: Soon. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all we get to know. So join the discord.
Join the discord. I'm gonna say it multiple times more.
But yes, thank you, Fay track. No wait, yes, you
film that every time?
Speaker 13: Sorry track, Okay, it'll mean anyway. Well, I think we
broke like the streak of me going first every single time,
so that's cool. But I'm Jack called your Connecting. Can
follow me on Twitter at your corns S S T
R A K O N I q E S. I
do a bunch of streaming and teacher stuff. The only
thing I will shout is that tomorrow I'm over on
Captain roe Best Channel, and that's Captain in R O
B E E R. We're going to be premiering for
part on a second edition campaign called Stormforge, and I'm
playing the only non spellcaster in the whole party, which
is going to be fun. But ye check that out.
I'm going to be playing a real Himbo. I'm going
for Himbo.
Speaker 5: Energy changes something for me personally.
Speaker 13: Uh so, yeah, I'm gonna turn my brain off now.
Thank thank you.
Speaker 14: Brad take away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a great show. I really really enjoyed it.
I know how difficult these things are to put together,
so you did really really well PB and lots of
cast members is a whole extra element of difficulty. And
to have something so coherent and bulletproof, which is a
show that is also works in another greater universe and
in conjunction with other shows is fucking impressive. It's so
much harder than you could ever imagine. And I can
only say this now because it's in the context of PB,
but I think anyone that's ever GMed a show anything
at this level of quality from conception in PB's mind
and then gone through Nocturn and all these other elements
and then bringing it round to close it off again
and have it just remain at such a level of
incredible quality really speaks to how good you are at this,
and how creative and excellent you are at GMing and
producing and directing and everything, and that you know, everyone
did amazingly on this show, and I think every single
person here role played the fuck out of this show.
There were moments in this show where I was like,
what the fuck? How like these people should be on TV?
And I just sometimes I feel like I'm like I
should not be here, Like there's no way, Like I
can't act next to some of these people. But the
whole thing was just so well made from the top down.
Pbe pulling it all together, and the law and everything
is insanely complex and insanely cool and interesting all the
way down to all of us little idiots role playing.
On a personal level, it was just so interesting to
play this kind of a character. And I won't go
into it too much. And it was nice as well
to let myself explore love in this character as well, Like,
it was quite a weird place to be in when
you're going through a breakup and then fall in love
in role play and then allow yourself to sit and
think about what that would mean to this character and
let yourself explore love in this kind of setting and
this show. So it was really a really interesting journey
on so many levels. And I think the whole thing
is fucking impressive and everyone did really well. Thank you
everybody who watched it as well, and I hope that
we did it justice for you, PB and for everyone watching.
I loved it. Love is a ring. That's it from me.
Let's pass it over to Leah before she falls over.
Speaker 7: It's fine, it's because you ever ended last week because
I had the worst and I've not recovered since.
Speaker 2: But I don't really have anything, you just say. It
was an absolute.
Speaker 8: Privilege to be a part of a.
Speaker 7: Show like this and a PB show in general, like
to one of the things.
Speaker 8: I wanted to talk about was how it's so hard to.
Speaker 7: Improv on the level that you see on like the
show's like gone and everything and to have gone into
that and watched that and be like, oh, okay, now
we have to do that. Like it's horrifying, it's it's
so scary, but it's so challenging and that's what makes
us such a fucking joy to do. And it's for
PB to create and essentially a sandbox, an entire playground,
and guide you in doing that and in discovering all
those things about the skills you have and the people
you're with is phenomenal. So yeah, thank you so much
to the cast as well. You're all fucking incredible, Like
it was a genuine pleasure every week.
Speaker 2: You're all supersized.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I have played Vega and my name is
Leah Ellie Ah, it's for U's easy, nice, cool, all right, Maya.
Speaker 9: My name is Meyer, And like I guess I've kind
of blanked out during the whole like goodbyes, because this
is a last episode of Kingmakers.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, what can I say.
Speaker 9: It's been a journey, a voyage, and I have loved
every single moment of it. I have loved the anticipation
of every single episode. I have loved the on the
fly just imagination that everybody has and everybody has put
down in their own way.
Speaker 3: It's been so cool to.
Speaker 9: Be challenged by all of you in your different ways.
Speaker 3: And I love you guys.
Speaker 9: You guys are amazing. This isn't the end, obviously, It's
just the beginning of yet something else, something you need,
something different, and I cannot wait to see what it is.
You guys all do you know? One hundred percent? Also,
without repeating anything else and without keeping this thing too long,
I'm Meyer. I played Lear, but my name is Meyer.
That's for letters M y are pretty simple, and I
guess that next one is Myrgles.
Speaker 10: I am Myrgles symmetry.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad.
Speaker 10: I like to think that I'm Myrgles and that I
played Jude for you.
Speaker 5: On this show. I've talked so much this this Q and.
Speaker 10: A already I feel like I've rambled endlessly despite interruptions,
so I will also try to keep it short. This
is the best. I say it every week, I say
it all the time, but it just continues to be
needed to be said. You can find me on Tall
Story on Thursdays for ashes of Area Door and that's
really uh.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 10: Thank you for having me. This is the absolute best
and I love you all. Thank you so much.
Speaker 13: Michael, she didn't you didn't post it on to anyone.
Speaker 5: Jack, Yo, you already went. They already went.
Speaker 10: Johnny, we were doing this whole black outes.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think it was just.
Speaker 2: Y I didn't get me, so thanks y'all. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: I like PB. I like to think it's the end,
it's the beginning, you know. Sorry, sorry, past is the future.
Speaker 12: I like to think that I played Titus for you
guys on Kingmakers. If you want to see me the
other characters, you can find me on my channel and
other places.
Speaker 3: PB.
Speaker 12: Thank you for sharing your genius with us. It was
truly in honor and I will cherish this to the
rest of the cast. Thank you guys for providing a
space where I felt I could be myself and have
fun telling the story with you guys.
Speaker 4: Love y'all, An you and me.
Speaker 3: It's it's us too.
Speaker 16: I'm missing Dan. I think you'all know me at this point.
It was lovely being able to play out my fantasy
of being Bob from Dredden Files.
Speaker 1: I wanted that so badly from the very beginning, and
I'm so glad it worked out.
Speaker 2: Yep, and I'm glad it was you. Can I say that?
Speaker 1: And can I say something stupid that I didn't realize
but somebody mentioned it.
Speaker 2: You've been in every single thing I've ever done.
Speaker 16: I was about to say that, Yeah, yeah, rule of threes.
I got to be here from the beginning in the end,
which was really cool. So thank you PB for involving
me in this wonderful trilogy.
Speaker 1: Jack Austraya, Yeah that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's where it started.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been good.
Speaker 16: It's been a journey and I'm excited to see what
you do next. So thanks for having me, and I'll
see y'all on the other side.
Speaker 3: I think, uh.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was not expecting that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shout out Aaron, who had to step away
for a bit. I'm also going to shout out John Sandman, Chord,
Trench Mouth, and Greennig.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not forgetting anybody, but I'm sure i am.
Speaker 1: But those people were also in the show, voices that
you heard, characters that you saw towards the end. We're
not quite done yet. I'm not quite done yet. We're
gonna let the cast apart.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you guys some lore bits. I'm gonna
answer any final questions that you have. And then the
thing that I can.
Speaker 2: Say is please follow the discord if you.
Speaker 1: Want to keep an eye on this when it comes out.
The Other World of Din Fudge has made a an
album version of the music for King Makers, so keep
your eyes in the discord for that because it's very good.
Because he made basically underscores for me that I could
loop forever, but he went and he made an album
version for you, so that will be something that we're
releasing as well. And now, yeah, I'm going to read
you some stuff, so cast if you're still here, you
don't have to. You can go ahead and dip if
you like. Thank you so much for oop. Nope, because
I have a thing I have to read.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I love you, and I know this isn't the end
of the stuff that we do together. So okay, those things.
Now I want to read you guys something. Hold on,
where's my boat? This has got to stop because it's
going to kill me?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 18: Cool?
Speaker 2: Are we ready?
Speaker 1: Because I I hope so hey, are you ready?
Speaker 2: Is this what I want? This will do? This will do? Okay.
Speaker 1: One third of Brad's insane requested, Lord, dump, that will
end our friendship.
Speaker 2: How do I preface this?
Speaker 1: I don't think I can really all right, Basically, Brad
came to me at one point and said, pde, I
need to understand the how I need lore. I need
to understand how the world works if I'm to play
this person who knows everything.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait, what do you mean? You need
to know how magic works? And He's like, the fundamentals.
Speaker 1: I need to know the fundamentals of how magic works
in this fucking system of yours or.
Speaker 2: This world of yours. And I was like, I don't
think you understand what you're asking.
Speaker 1: He's like, I need this, this is what I want,
and I'm like, okay, I guess I will write the fundamentals.
Here are the fundamentals of how magic works in the
other world of din.
Speaker 2: I apologize this.
Speaker 1: Is literally I literally wrote this for Brad. I expected
no one else to read it. All right, There's a
list of top major mysteries of physics. They are one
dark energy, two dark matter, three times arrow, four, parallel universes, five,
the fate of the universe, six quantum entanglement, and seven
entropy and chaos.
Speaker 2: This is how this begins.
Speaker 1: M one dark energy. We think we know these things. One,
gravity pulls things towards itself. Two, a black hole has
an extreme force of gravity that pulls everything toward it.
Three we're pretty sure there's a black hole at the
center of the universe.
Speaker 2: We're confused as to why if all of the.
Speaker 1: Above are true, the universe is expanding away from the
pull of gravity, especially because principal number five that we
know is gravity is limitless in its reach. Apparently that's
number five. One of the most popular and widely accepted
theories is that dark energy is just an inherent property
of space itself. It has negative pressure just by being space.
It makes holes in itself, pushing things away from it.
But remember, we don't know what dark energy is. We
know it makes up seventy percent of the total content
of the universe. I think that's changed now. I think
it's eighty percent. When I wrote this, I think it
was seventy. But we can't see it, and we don't
know how to look for it, only to see the
reactions of what it is affecting, and that it is
responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe somehow, is
it possible this is another universe or more than one.
If entropy only increases, then the more energy is produced
in all of these universes, the longer the universes exist,
and the more of them are created, then the faster
the end of the universe approaches. In theory two, dark matter,
dark matter makes up about twenty seven percent. To put
it in perspective, everything we have ever observed with all
of our instruments, all normal matter makes up less than
five percent. The most popular is theory at the moment
is that dark matter doesn't reflect or emit light that
we can see or detect because it doesn't appear to
interact with.
Speaker 2: The electro metic field. There's a new theory that I
like a lot, but it's not my favorite. I don't
know what the fuck I was talking like. Remember I'm
talking to Brad here.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a new theory that I like a lot,
but it's not my favorite. But it's that dark matter
forms streams like finally grow Now I know why I
told them that, right, because of if I've seven like
finely grained streams or hair, the Earth might even have
these emitting from it. The new discovery that black holes
are leaking data out of them instead of just sucking
everything in supports this.
Speaker 2: I think Three. Why is time an arrow?
Speaker 1: If time is a dimension like left or right or
up or down, why can't we go left or right
through time?
Speaker 2: Why are we only going in one direction? We don't know?
Four parallel universes.
Speaker 1: This is the idea that every time a decision is made,
everything but that one quantum particle is the same, and
that happens many times infinitely. From that decision, the changes
ripple outward until it branches again with another choice. Astrophysicists,
upon crunching numbers, etc. Think the universe might be flat
and that it goes on forever, and so our universe
is just one patch in a large multiverse quilt.
Speaker 2: This is not the case in King Makers, but we'll
get to that. Five.
Speaker 1: The fate of the universe depending on how the universe
is shaped, since we don't know. If you're curious, there's
a math variable that we know exists, but we don't
know what it is. Similarly to dark manager, dark matter,
or energy. Let's call this a variable M for mystery.
We know it's in the formula, but we don't know
what the number represents. We think M is the density
or all matter in the universe. So if M is
greater than one, the formula math tells us that the
universe is a sphere. I hope you guys follow that
it could be closed like a sphere. Therefore, if there
was no dark energy, that universe would eventually stop expanding
and start contracting, eventually collapsing in on itself aka the
theory that exists called the Big Crunch. The universe breathes
in and out motion, and time would actually flow backward
during that contraction. So if the universe is shaped like
a U, M would be greater than one. Wait, yes,
M greater than one also, then what's going to happen
is that as entropy max is out work and I'm
using air quotes for those listening like a podcast, work
basically equalizes at subzero Calvin. It's called the Big freeze.
So basically time stops because there's just no work left
available to do things.
Speaker 2: And then I put in parentheses.
Speaker 1: Work is what physics call the actual energy cost of
one thing changing or moving.
Speaker 2: Work is the force that causes the movement.
Speaker 1: What a stupid thing to call it, but if I
understand it, correctly if you think of it like air
or another fluid. It needs a place of high work
pressure like a starting point, and a place of low
work pressure the point of the thing being moved. And
in the Big Freeze of the universe, all work stops
because the pressure is equalized and can't flow from high
to low, so nothing can be pushed or moved, and
time stops.
Speaker 2: Everything stops.
Speaker 1: Alternatively, if the universe was a pool table, the work
is both the acoustic and the fall you're hitting.
Speaker 2: And the object being moved is the ball you're aiming at.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the universe, according to the
Big Freeze, you can't move any balls by hitting them
because the whole service of the pool table is full
of falls, nowhere for the custic to fit, no where
for the balls to go cool. And the fun thing
about that is that after it freezes and time stops,
the acceleration of the universe would just tear everything apart,
so it would freeze and then explode aka another theory
called the Big rip. And that last one, and the
last one is that the universe is flat again the
multiverse quilt. This would be in the math formula and
the equals one in case you were wondering, And the
theory there is that it would just expand forever, continuing
outward but continuously slowing down until it reaches a standstill.
Speaker 2: Eventually, the dark energy would push it so far apart
that it would eventually explode.
Speaker 1: Pretty much everyone agrees the universe is dying, but we're
not sure how or why.
Speaker 2: Mystery number six quantum entanglement.
Speaker 1: One particle can affect another particle if it is quantumly
entangled with it. We knock particle A over and observe
particle Bee fell over for no apparent reason. This information
exchange can happen universes apart, So to clarify, it's not
actually like you knock something over and then the other
thing is knocked over.
Speaker 2: It's more of an information exchange.
Speaker 1: So, but for science fiction it's fun to kind of
extrapulate and expand on that divination magic. Is it limited
to the same universe? Could you be divining information from
another universe? Einstein calls this spooky action from a distance,
and I think Blackbird might at some point as well as.
Speaker 2: A fun nod.
Speaker 1: Mystery number seven entropy, Why is there ordering chaos? Why
is entropy constantly increasing. Why are we moving toward chaos?
Why were things so ordered to begin with? Now that
we've briefly covered these unsolved mysteries and our understanding of
the universe, I posit that the universe is torus shaped
like a donut, and dark energy is the quantum particles
created by parallel universes. In this theory, m could be
greater than one, also less than one, and also equal one.
All can be true at the same time, or possibly
it doesn't even matter because donut shape is sphere, saddle,
and flat altogether.
Speaker 2: I literally then.
Speaker 1: Have a fucking diagram like a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Why is he so presently? I don't know.
Speaker 1: So it's less a donut and more an inflatable tire
because it's hollow, and the universe is both inside and
wrapped on the surface, possibly the inside surface, possibly the
outside surface. You guys are gonna have to imagine this,
I'm so sorry. So in the sphere but really donut universe,
it would look and act to mass like a sphere
while the outside of the tire expands.
Speaker 2: Gonna repeat this because this is nuts if.
Speaker 1: Okay, so imagine a Do I have anything that will
not handy. Oh oh my god, mughle Okay, all right,
so imagine a sphere, right, So we've got the outside
of the sphere.
Speaker 2: But also the universe could be shaped like a U.
Speaker 1: Right if it's only you know, like the top bit,
it could be a U. Right, But it also could
be a plane if you're on the plane, because you're
not going to notice the curve, just like we are
on Earth. We think it's flat, but it's not right. Okay,
hopefully that was helpful.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's less a.
Speaker 1: Donut and more an inflatable tire because it's hollow in
the middle. H The universe is both inside of it
and wrapped on the surface, possibly inside the surface, possibly
outside the surface. So the sphere but really donut universe
would look and act to math like a sphere while
it's expanding. Okay, until you get a fat donut that
can't expand anymore, and that goes back to like the
big rip and shit. Okay, anyway, back to the mysteries
of the universe and how they're solved by the donut
shaped multiverse theory in King Makers, we'll get to the
fat tired donut later.
Speaker 2: One dark energy and two dark matter.
Speaker 1: So instead of the parallel universe being patches in a
flat quilt, which is Marvel universe, it uses this theory,
the flat quilt multiverse patch quilt theory. That's what they
do in Marble if you're familiar with Marvel stuff or
stacked on top of each other but overlapping. What if
they are the dark energy that we can't see? And
as time goes on, more and more universes are created
every time a quantum entanglement occurs aka decision or a
diverging choice, and that's what's pushing everything apart. Literally, they
are why the universe is expanding every decision we make,
literally and figuratively. This would explain what dark energy, what
dark matter is, and why we can't see it, not
because it doesn't emit or absorbed light, but because we're
looking at it from the edge on the edge on If.
Speaker 2: We could see it, it would just look like a line.
I hope this makes sense. Loll three. Time is an arrow.
Speaker 1: This also explains why we perceive time one way, because
now time is a dimension on that torus that is
extremely affected by gravity. Time is only moving in one
direction because it's all getting sucked into the inside of
the torus donut. We're all affected by gravity. It's reach
and its pull is limitless and endless. Right, So we
just see the effects on such a minute scale that
it's barely observable. But we know galaxies are moving, that
the universe is expanding. It could also be true that
the universe is expanding and contracting, breathing, but it just
doesn't go back the way that it came. When it contracts,
it goes on the underside of the doughnut. We would
still perceive time as linear in an arrow, but it's
actually going backwards. Now what if the contracting and expanding
are happening simultaneously. Oh my fucking god, the life flashed
before my eyes when you die?
Speaker 2: Is actually you liming the underside of the doughnut? Why
didn't I cut this out?
Speaker 16: Brad?
Speaker 2: Did you read this whole thing?
Speaker 1: Five fate of the universe and seven entropy? In this theory,
the fate of the universe is all of them and
none of them.
Speaker 2: The sphere will expand.
Speaker 1: Outward until fat tire donut, where the donuts hole can't
move into itself.
Speaker 2: At this point, the outside of.
Speaker 1: The sphere would keep going out, being pushed out by
more choices aka quantum entangled data points, berthing more realities.
Speaker 2: And more dark matter or energy.
Speaker 1: The tire is being inflated suddenly so much faster because
the inside is not moving, So for those that perceive
reality as a flat plane, the plane options rely on
how fast alternate universes are created by the diverging choices,
creating new dark matter and energy. So the dark energy
universes are pushing the outer edges of the plane out,
but at the same time, the tire is expanding right,
So if the plane grows faster, it will eventually wrap
around the tire and go on under the doughnut, forming
an inverse U. It will expand indefinitely until the outside
rips open or the inside becomes so dense it starts
pulling the outside back in. That explains both the big
rip and the contraction theories. Or the plane could loop
around and go under the top of the doughnut again.
The plane universe could swing around the center on repeat,
but it would still lose speed every loop until it
can't pass the gravity of the center, and thus explains
the big freeze seven six six Quantum entanglement at the
smallest fundamental particle level, a particle can be anywhere and
any when until it is observed and the waveform collapses.
If that's true, and the basic elementary particles can be
anywhere in any when, why is anything solid? The answer
to that is the other particles observe each other. The
more of them that are together, the more they have
to follow the rules. They literally police each other, and
that is how the laws of reality spring about spontaneously
when we get too many of them together. And I
wonder if this is just a gradual sliding scale, or
is there an event horizon where you finally reach this
many particles and suddenly it switches on like or perhaps
we're being observed.
Speaker 2: Is this where simulation theory is born?
Speaker 1: The conclusion, and that's just the idea that we you know,
lots of people feel like, you know, we're living in
a simulation or we're being watched or being observed. What
if we are being observed and that's why our reality
is solid?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: The conclusion we draw from this is that any particle
that is not currently being observed can do whatever the
fuck it wants as long as it's isolated and not
being observed. Could CHAT equal dark matter or are they
the observing effect? How do we even know dark matter
is there because we can see the effect it has
on the matter around it. So or if you're in Jude,
can't perceive the audience, but they could theoretically perceive the
effect CHAT or the GM even rolling has created random example,
the Premiere, when viewer numbers are highest, the roles were
the worst.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this.
Speaker 1: Is the case, but there were so many examples of
this that could be used and make fun for science
fiction fodder. This also means any magic Euphear does offscreen
could be weaker or stronger because it's without the observer effect.
The big holy fuck of this theory is if the
universe is Torus shaped, dark matter and energy are parallel
universes quantum entangled particles are overlapping each other and pushing
each other apart.
Speaker 2: How do we prove it?
Speaker 1: We can't because the moment we prove it, we're observing it,
and the waveform collapses. The moment the waveform collapses, m
equals one, or M equals less than one, or m
equals greater than one. One of those things becomes true,
and now we're stuck. With that being true, all the
other particles will now police each other. So in theory,
when scientists are like, oh no, the Earth, you know,
the universes of flat line quilt. We've done mathematics that
show us this, They've observed it, and now the reality
is like that. And then we've got another reality where
they're like, no, it's a U shape.
Speaker 2: Now it's a U shape. Right.
Speaker 1: That's the implication there with that idea, which is super cool.
Weird ramblings and analogies you probably don't need to read,
but I'm including anyway. Uh, conscious universe. Oh my god,
biz Iscudo, I forgot his Remember when I was like.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Speaker 1: Biz The first person I asked, okay, sorry, is Caudo please?
I love him so much and he did everything for
me that I asked him to do and more. Okay, anyway, Sorry,
weird ramblings and analogies you probably don't need to read,
but I'm including anyway.
Speaker 2: Conscious universe.
Speaker 1: So it's like the universe is playing that child's game
Red Light Light, and we're facing the other way, trying
to make calculations based on the shadow that we see
on the wall. In front of us, cast by the
universe behind us. The calculations say one thing or multiple things,
it doesn't matter. But we get frustrated and turn around
to get proof, and the universe freezes in place because
we're looking. We can take as many measurements as we
want and be triumphant that we now have proof that
the universe is standing on one leg in a te pose.
So we turn back around start calculations on the shadows again,
knowing that the calculations will work if we count for
the universe.
Speaker 2: Standing on one leg and a te pose.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, the calculations based on the shadow
of the universe one leg tee pose don't work, and
we don't know why. Well, that's because now that we're
not looking again, the universe could be doing a handstamp.
The other point is that the dark energy the decisions
that cause quantum entangled universes to be created the quilts
pushing fabric away from themselves. They're formed when a decision
is made, right, well, when any decision is made really
aka when a waveform collapses, which means what if they
aren't being watched, then they have no reason to be
fixed in place? Right if they aren't being watched. They
have no reason to be fixed in place, but they
are fixed because reality exists.
Speaker 2: But we've been observed.
Speaker 1: And now when you turn arounway, when you aren't looking
at it anymore, all the particles will police each other
to stay that way. So what is watching them? Could
it be other universes, other data points. What if when
you are imagining what would have happened to you if
you had done X or Y, you're not imagining.
Speaker 2: You're catching a glimpse.
Speaker 1: You're observing another reality and collapsing that waveform. So early
on in the universe, before dark energy reached the event horizon,
your choices may have been more in flux because other realities,
choices or quantumly entangled particles were so far apart. But
they reached a population point where they're constantly observing their
peers on at You could argue that this was the
point at which reality was formed and not a moment before.
The moment is when the universe became aware of itself,
and that's what reality is, a conscious universe watching itself.
Parallel universes aren't next to or on top of each other,
but overlapping, which is what we're playing with in kingmakers,
where one will leak into the other.
Speaker 2: You know, the Mandela effect, the.
Speaker 1: Berenstein Berenstein Bears. This reminds me of the shitty superheroes
where someone could turn invisible, but only when nobody.
Speaker 2: Was looking at them. I wish I had gone through
this before I started to read it to you guys.
Speaker 1: The theory of Garoon. We're all falling through time in
one direction. We can't even look behind us. We can
only remember what we passed. That's important. We can't look
behind us. We can only remember what we passed. Garoon
has learned to look back, and then she learned to
look forward and left and right, and then learned to fly.
In Stigion and Nocturn, there are two Fogaroons, well, originally infinite,
but we'll get there, one in charge of the Rangers
of One and one in charge of the Rangers of Many.
This theory means if they can look back, they can
observe each other and collapse the waveform, eventually leaving only
one Garoon.
Speaker 2: But right now there.
Speaker 1: Are two fighting against each other, but trying oh so
careful not to directly observe each other.
Speaker 2: They can only survive by hiding from each other.
Speaker 1: Perhaps they are willingly at an impasse of sorts, because otherwise.
Speaker 2: They both die. To see is to be seen.
Speaker 1: Your fear could potentially mirror this, and that would be dope.
There are just notes I sent to Brad Jesus God.
Rangers of Many basically want to leave the universe alone.
Who's to say it's actually dying. We don't know what's
going to happen at the Big freeze. It's the natural
order of things, so we're going.
Speaker 2: To leave it.
Speaker 1: If it's a breath, we could just be waiting for
the next inhale after the exhale. Rangers of One basically
want to trim the fat of the timelines that are
similar enough that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: And I am using air quotes for these.
Speaker 1: If they are culled, this removes dark dark matter and
dark energy and slows the death of the universe. They
don't want simply one universe or one reality to rule
them all. Their main theory is trimming the fat to
slow the heat death of the universe until they can
figure something out.
Speaker 2: In Nocturn instigion, the lore.
Speaker 1: Was that to become a ranger you had to hunt
down another version of yourself and kill it the quantumly
entangled part or a group shaped like you, destroying it
so that it can no longer affect you and so
that they stop pushing you apart. Now this is talking
about the fucking molecular level. The more of you there are,
the more of you overlap the you shape in the universe,
and the more of you that is pushing outward. So
the more of you there are, the more you are
contributing to entropy and the death of the universe. If
the garn of Many does this as well, she's either
a hypocrite or she is the shepherd of the quantum
entangled parts that the Rangers of One are hunting down.
Super interesting overlap of determinism and fate here because Rangers
Many basically have no choice because they are being directly
affected by their quantum entangled other half, which is actually
trying to destroy them. I like the idea that Groon
of One will probably seem villainous and evil, but is
potentially actually preventing the death of the universe, and the
Groon of Many, who shelters the rangers hunted down by
Groon of One, is kind of like an anti vaxxer
Grooon directly contributing to the death of the universe. What
will probably be seen as a good guy by the audience.
This is just notes that you guys.
Speaker 2: Get because it's the end. How do you get to
fairy Land?
Speaker 1: There's a lot of literature on reaching other dimensional fictional
fantasy places Narnia, never Land, fairy Land, et cetera. And
they all follow this weird do this random movement and
then you're there. Formula, go around this rock three times,
and suddenly you're there, first Star on the left, straight,
firstar on the right, straight onuntil morning. What is actually
happening is you're walking up a dimensional fucking staircase that
can't be perceived. So to us it looks like you're
just walking around a rock three times.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was could have written anything else. P.
Speaker 1: But when you come out of the staircase, you're on
the dimensional third floor and everything is different. And when
somebody is standing on a landing looking down at those
who can't even see the staircase, we can't perceive up
and down.
Speaker 2: All that someone can do is be heard. This is Garoon.
Speaker 1: She can perceive all the directions, but the characters cannot
yet so all they can ever perceive is her voice,
which is why I was off. Can Peekaboo a mage's rant.
We think babies don't understand the world. It is not
more correct to say, Is it not more correct to
say that they have forgotten when they reach adulthood. It
takes a mere three months for us to lose our
understanding of quantum mechanics, and a lifetime or.
Speaker 2: More to try to understand it again.
Speaker 1: An infant watching you take a pee from under a
blue cup and move it under a red cup may
still look for the p under the blue cup.
Speaker 2: Ah, how foolish they are.
Speaker 1: The adult laughs that babe watched you move the pea
and still looked under the blue cup.
Speaker 2: Haha.
Speaker 1: The babe knows that the pea once it's under the cup,
now that it's not observed, that pea could be anywhere
anywhen it's the adults who don't understand. Once a baby
reaches three months and plays Peekaboo for the first time,
watching with anticipation as a face is hidden, knowing is
it unseen yet still there, knowing it will be revealed again,
understanding object permanence. This is scene as an achievement but
the indescribable loss, This truly is as we strive to
master what babies before three months intuitively grasp quantum entanglement,
uncertainty principle, three months to understand how reality works, That
a thing unseen still exists in that place object permanence.
This lingers throughout childhood.
Speaker 2: Of course, any child knows that a monster.
Speaker 1: Can't find you if it cannot see you hidden under
the blanket, that once you're unobserved by the monster, you
could be anywhere. But any adult knows this is patently ridiculous.
Of course you're still under the blanket, and of course
monsters don't exist. Right again, a lifetime to unlearn the lie,
And that is why you may not watch me cast
my magic. Magic is shy, you see, it is limitless
only while unobserved. And yet even alone, your spell still
acts as if it's observed. What unseen audience watches you
cast your spell. Remember you can't see it, but you
can still see the shape that it's making. The monster
knows the child is there, even if he can't see it,
because the shape it's leaving with the blanket. I don't
know why Brad's still friends with me It's twelve pages long.
Speaker 2: He asked me for a fucking how does magic work?
Speaker 1: And I sent him theories of universes. Okay, my god,
oh my god, I listen. I don't know if Bizz,
are you still here reading theory of magic and just
shout it?
Speaker 15: Biz.
Speaker 1: I had to watch videos about quantum physics too. Ah god,
I woke up while listening to this and my mind
is blown.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, that was it. That's what I wanted.
Speaker 1: I wanted to read to you guys. If you observe Biz,
he will be here. Oh my god, I feel so bad.
Ah Yeah, object permanence, obscurance as a rogue, fear.
Speaker 2: You can't see me, so.
Speaker 1: You no longer know where I am. Yeah, quantum mechanics
is magic. Quantum mechanics makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Then you clarify, So the rangers of one want few
universes of similarity. Yes.
Speaker 1: So basically, like if you've got you know, you've got
think of it like a tree, right, So you've got
so many different branches on the tree. They don't want
just one tree trunk. Right. What they're trying to do is, basically,
you've got a branch that has a bunch of little
things on it that come out and they're like, this
reality is literally the same. It's just one thing happened differently.
Somebody spilled their coffee, you know, because it's hard for
us to conceptualize if this theory is correct, it's infinite, right,
there's just so many universes where you know, you forgot
your car keys that day, nothing else changes, You're just
a couple of minutes late, but then everything blah blah blah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so yeah, there's that.
Speaker 1: So they just want to trim the ones that are
close so that it's you know, that it slows the
death of the universe until they can figure out a
better solution. But yeah, anyway, that was it, And I'm
going to go jump off my balcony because I forgot Bizcado.
The first person to record anything for me. Ever, he
did the voice of the old man throughout the entire
thing until Aaron showed up as monologue. Ever non divergent timeline.
The group of universes all the same daily conclusion. Yeah, exactly,
So it's it's it's not really the garoon of one
of one, but the groon.
Speaker 2: Of like just a few.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't sound as cool as a groon of
many in the grooon of one. Okay, God, anyway, I'm
just gonna. I'm just gonna. I can't believe I forgot
is He's gonna kill me. He's not even here anymore.
Speaker 2: As I love you, I'm sorry. Thank you for being
my old man.
Speaker 21: Oh anyway, this is really just PB advocating, uh for
the groon of just a f You know I broke
this ages ago.
Speaker 1: Ken, Yes, this is perfect. So this is how I'm
gonna end it. Can you describe the next show you
hope to run in one word? I definitely Ken Blade Runner.
Speaker 6: Banks Say says.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for watching all my shit. I really
appreciate it. I love you very much. Follow or join
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how to el Speth. Okay, all right, I love your
faces and your butts. You guys are the best, and
I'll see you for the next thing.
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