Speaker 1: Hi. This is Matt McClory from Brentwood in New Hampshire
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Speaker 1: I've got three or four five on my team that
Speaker 1: I think are going to be playing professional golf at
Speaker 1: some level PGA Tour. I'd love to see them there.
Speaker 1: Do they have the talent ability? Definitely, this is a
Speaker 1: very talented group. I was fortunate enough to win an
Speaker 1: NCAA championship at Pepperdine in ninety seven, and I would
Speaker 1: think that this junior college team here is better than
Speaker 1: our team that won an NCAA championship. There's so many guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, just to think that I met Jordan Speed
Speaker 1: in the first time, I believe he was maybe eighteen
Speaker 1: or nineteen he got an exemption into the Northern Trust
Speaker 1: Open when he was at Texas, and I got an
Speaker 1: exemption to play it as well. And the kid was polished.
Speaker 1: He looked like a tour veteran at that age. He's
Speaker 1: not your typical twenty one year old kid right now.
Speaker 1: I mean the maturity that he has and his golf
Speaker 1: awareness and knowledge is just beyond his years. And it's
Speaker 1: pretty fun to see. So to think that he could
Speaker 1: have been playing next month the NCAA Championships is scary.
Speaker 2: How you or your child can get into a college
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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf
Speaker 2: Smarter Podcast.
Speaker 1: Andy, thanks for having me, Fred, I appreciate it. Buddy.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's great to have you on. And for those
Speaker 2: of you who have not joined us, we are actually
Speaker 2: broadcasting this live on periscope so that we have some
Speaker 2: people watching, hopefully hearing both of our sides of our
Speaker 2: conversation and they can submit questions. We've already gotten one
Speaker 2: question in. I'm going to actually go right to the question, okay,
Speaker 2: and then we'll get I need to get an update
Speaker 2: of what's going on with you. We haven't talked to
Speaker 2: you in about a year, and I want to talk
Speaker 2: to you. Did you get a chance to watch the Masters?
Speaker 2: I know you've been really busy with your teams. Uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean there was a guy who won the
Speaker 2: Masters this year that could have been on your team. Incredible, huh,
Speaker 2: It's amazing. But we'll get to that later. I want
Speaker 2: to go right to the first question that we got
Speaker 2: worthy winner, absolutely right to the question that we got
Speaker 2: on periscope, which is how do I overcome nerves in golf?
Speaker 1: Great question? You know what, nerves are kind of a
Speaker 1: self induced feeling, and so when we talk about nerves,
Speaker 1: it means our mind is in a place other than
Speaker 1: where it should be. So if we're thinking about nerves,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about the outcome of a particular top Say
Speaker 1: we're on the eighteenth hole of a tournament and we're
Speaker 1: really nervous because the consequences of winning could be really big.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jordan had a lot of nerves coming down
Speaker 1: and stretch this week. But what great players do is
Speaker 1: they focus on something instead of letting the nerves and
Speaker 1: the thoughts of what if and what could be overcome
Speaker 1: us if we have a good focus on and what
Speaker 1: I like to call process, you know, where we get
Speaker 1: to thinking about where we want to hit the golf shot,
Speaker 1: how we're going to do it, you know, what it's
Speaker 1: going to feel like, and kind of seeing the result
Speaker 1: and doing a lot of the mental imagery. Then we
Speaker 1: forget about the what ifs. So our nerves is going
Speaker 1: to be there always. But the thing is we can
Speaker 1: use them to our advantage. They can either nerves can
Speaker 1: either help us or hurt us. So one thing that
Speaker 1: I heard is the last thought we have before we
Speaker 1: hit a golf shot is either going to enhance or
Speaker 1: hurt what we're trying to accomplish with that golf shot.
Speaker 1: So having nerves is a good thing. Being able to
Speaker 1: race them and get refocused on what we want to
Speaker 1: have happen when we hit the golf shot or play
Speaker 1: the whole or what we're trying to accomplish on the
Speaker 1: golf course at that time. Is what's going to really
Speaker 1: separate us from failing in that in that time or
Speaker 1: being very successful at the same time.
Speaker 2: Our first first t jitters similar to eighteenth hole jitters,
Speaker 2: they manifest themselves differently, or is it all about you
Speaker 2: have to be in the moment and forget anything else.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're if they're much different. I
Speaker 1: know the first t jitters are because the unknown. We
Speaker 1: haven't hit any golf shots yet in competition for the day,
Speaker 1: so we want to make sure that we're still that
Speaker 1: guy that we were on the range, or we are
Speaker 1: every day. I know when I was playing for a living,
Speaker 1: the reason why I used to practice so hard was
Speaker 1: because I was scared every day I was going to
Speaker 1: wake up and not be as good as I was
Speaker 1: the last day, And so that first shot of the
Speaker 1: day was always like, Okay, I'm still I'm still me, right,
Speaker 1: someone else didn't creep into into my body overnight and
Speaker 1: turn into something else. And I hear a lot of
Speaker 1: the same thing from a lot of tour players on
Speaker 1: eighteen as well. Is you know, we start we start
Speaker 1: thinking about the outcome of what could happen in the situation,
Speaker 1: and so we lose some of the process. Rory McCrory
Speaker 1: when he when the British said last year something very
Speaker 1: good about two words that he worked on during the
Speaker 1: whole week, and he said it before the tournament, So
Speaker 1: in essence, he was kind of predicting that he was
Speaker 1: going to win, and there's going to be two reasons why.
Speaker 1: And he used the word process, and he used the
Speaker 1: word spot. And I am huge on process, and process
Speaker 1: goes into so deep, so many things of how we
Speaker 1: prepare to hit a golf shot, how we manage our emotions,
Speaker 1: what we're thinking about and why, and then going ahead
Speaker 1: and hitting the golf shot and executing. And then spot
Speaker 1: went into while he was putting, he was focusing on
Speaker 1: a spot. So if I'm focused on something, you know,
Speaker 1: we can't think about two or three different things at
Speaker 1: one time. So if I'm, you know, focusing on my rhythm,
Speaker 1: or if I'm focusing on a target in the background
Speaker 1: or a specific swinky, I can't be thinking about the
Speaker 1: nerves and the situation. And at the same time, we've.
Speaker 2: Talked so often about process and outcome.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We even did a show once there was a teacher
Speaker 2: who uses NATO golf, which is an ATO not attached
Speaker 2: to outcome. Okay, and so many of the mental coaches
Speaker 2: that we've talked to talk about process versus outcome. I
Speaker 2: can see the sweaty palms on the first tee, you
Speaker 2: know where your anticipation leading up to it for hours
Speaker 2: and hours, if not days, weeks, months, versus your knees
Speaker 2: knocking on the eighteenth hole on your eighteenth hole putt, right,
Speaker 2: different kind of nerves. But again it's it's because you're
Speaker 2: focused on what might happen versus staying in that moment exactly.
Speaker 1: And so even if we see with Jordan winning this
Speaker 1: week was unbelievable performance that really started a month ago.
Speaker 1: I mean the kids, you know, he goes win, second, second, win.
Speaker 1: He's been in the leader group, so the kid's been
Speaker 1: in total control of his process the whole time. But
Speaker 1: we saw on the seventy second hold the Masters, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't hit a very good putt at all. He
Speaker 1: was not in the moment at that time he was
Speaker 1: given his acceptance speech. He was just like, let me,
Speaker 1: let me cuddle this thing up to the hole and
Speaker 1: get it in somehow.
Speaker 2: And only the announcers at that point knew that it
Speaker 2: was a record breaking putt. I'm sure he wasn't aware
Speaker 2: that if he makes the putt, he sets the record
Speaker 2: for the lowest score ever.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, subconsciously he may have known it. He wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking about that he was thinking about, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm about to win the Masters. Let me not do
Speaker 1: something stupid like power lift this thing out and have
Speaker 1: it spin down the hill to fifteen feet and I
Speaker 1: leave myself a tough you know. So his thing is
Speaker 1: let us let me get this over with. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure his mind was racing the thing is a
Speaker 1: kid is just I mean, that was an amazing performance
Speaker 1: this week, and so the control that he showed that
Speaker 1: he learned from last year. You know self admitted he
Speaker 1: had lost control and got a little hot last year
Speaker 1: after he missed that put on eight. You know, this
Speaker 1: year he missed some putts as well, but he didn't
Speaker 1: let it, you know, overcome him. He got right back
Speaker 1: into the process of what he was doing. And the
Speaker 1: result speaks for himself.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was an amazing performance, and he's
Speaker 2: got all parts of his game working. It was all
Speaker 2: working all weekend long. Was it a fluke performance? Not
Speaker 2: by him but in the world of golf, because you
Speaker 2: don't you know, I mean, how many times has somebody
Speaker 2: won by night, you know, by being minus eighteen right
Speaker 2: on that golf course?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Was that a fluke? Are they going to have to
Speaker 2: make changes of the course so they can make it.
Speaker 2: You know, the winning score should be like in a
Speaker 2: US Open, the winning should be a minus three, right,
Speaker 2: not twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I wouldn't say it's a fluke. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like he wasn't trying to shoot eighteen under. He
Speaker 1: was trying to shoot even part shot eighteen. I would
Speaker 1: say that it might be. I would say, more than anything,
Speaker 1: I think the core setup was a little different. It
Speaker 1: was a little softer. We saw that. I heard for
Speaker 1: the first time that around the greens the grass was
Speaker 1: cut towards the green instead of away from it, which
Speaker 1: made chipping a lot easier. You weren't always against the grain.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they did that to help out
Speaker 1: a certain someone who had some short game issues earlier
Speaker 1: this year, and but you know, at the same time,
Speaker 1: I just think that conditions were conducive for low scoring
Speaker 1: this year, and so you know, the guys took advantage
Speaker 1: of it, and there was a lot of low scores
Speaker 1: and eagles made and long irons hit really close in
Speaker 1: three woods that were stopping close to the whole, and
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, I don't think they really
Speaker 1: have to change that golf course. I mean, it's they've
Speaker 1: added so much laying to it. It's like seventy six
Speaker 1: seventy seven hundred yards. There's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I think are really good with that golf course already
Speaker 1: that they don't have to touch. I mean, maybe the
Speaker 1: green's firming up a little bit more, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: cutting the grain against the green, you know, going away
Speaker 1: from the green around the greens is definitely going to
Speaker 1: change the short game landscape of that golf courch, which
Speaker 1: is where all the scoring is done is around the
Speaker 1: green deck.
Speaker 2: Enough about Jordan Speed. Everybody's talking about Jordan Speed. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about Andy Walker. What's going on with you?
Speaker 1: Wow? A lot, a lot's going on. It's been a
Speaker 1: great year.
Speaker 2: Glad to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still coaching South Mountain Community College. Number one junior
Speaker 1: college team in the country, Is that right? Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: number one team in the country.
Speaker 2: What's the age group of the kids that you have
Speaker 2: playing there?
Speaker 1: Eighteen to twenty twenty one? Okay, so yep, college kids
Speaker 1: and we're the number one junior college team of the country.
Speaker 1: We thank you. We've won every tournament this spring semester,
Speaker 1: which has been unbelievable. I don't know if that's ever
Speaker 1: been done before, but we've I've got a great group
Speaker 1: of guys that are that are playing. I also have
Speaker 1: the women's team, which is number two in our conference
Speaker 1: right now. So they've made great strides from not even
Speaker 1: really having a full team last year to become the
Speaker 1: number two team in our region on the women's side,
Speaker 1: which is pretty fun. Started up a new company called
Speaker 1: US Golf Combines.
Speaker 2: What is that tell me?
Speaker 1: Us Golf Combine, It's pretty fun. So it is the
Speaker 1: most respected and kind of intricate combined rating system in golf.
Speaker 1: So in essence, we're kind of coming up with a
Speaker 1: rating system for the game of golf. Ours is going
Speaker 1: to be targeted towards high school players that are wanting
Speaker 1: to play in college. So we're going to be traveling
Speaker 1: around the country. Are first ones in Dallas at Brookhaven
Speaker 1: Country Club. So for people that are aware with Dallas,
Speaker 1: brook Haven is Jordan Speace course that he grew up
Speaker 1: playing with, and so the people that work with Jordan
Speaker 1: Speed at Fitness. I know he was talking about the
Speaker 1: guys when he gave his acceptance speech. Those guys are
Speaker 1: going to be actually doing our fitness stuff, so it's
Speaker 1: pretty neat. It was a big week for us with
Speaker 1: US Golf Combines and Jordan Speed and his whole team,
Speaker 1: because there's gonna a lot of stuff that we're going
Speaker 1: to be doing in conjunction with each other. But we're
Speaker 1: going to go around the country and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: rting high school players, so they're going to be going
Speaker 1: through the trap Man combine. We have short game algorithms
Speaker 1: and putting algorithms that dictate proximity the whole and give
Speaker 1: you a rating as well as makes they're going to
Speaker 1: go out and play. We have a mental combine that
Speaker 1: we're going to be doing AMP Fitness, which is Jordan
Speaker 1: SPI's fitness crew and people that work on his body
Speaker 1: and physique are going to be doing a physical combine
Speaker 1: with us, and then we're going to put the kids
Speaker 1: high school resumes together in appropriate format and from there
Speaker 1: we're going to videotape them and their interview and have
Speaker 1: a nice package for them to send out to college
Speaker 1: coaches so they can play college.
Speaker 2: Golf on The combine idea is based on combines, like
Speaker 2: for football, from college kids going into the pros and
Speaker 2: you get all the scouts together. That's the concept behind
Speaker 2: this exactly.
Speaker 1: College golf recruiting has been pretty tough. I've been fortunate
Speaker 1: to get some really good players here where we're at,
Speaker 1: but college golf recruit there's so many kids that are
Speaker 1: out there playing high school golf, and only like the
Speaker 1: Jordan's Speace and the select few that are playing the
Speaker 1: bigger AJGA tournaments, USGA tournaments and Junior World and stuff
Speaker 1: like that are get looked at by the top colleges. Well,
Speaker 1: not everyone can play in those tournaments. It's just like
Speaker 1: every event, there's only a limited amount of field, you
Speaker 1: know that that can participate in the field. So how
Speaker 1: does everyone else get seen and how do they get hurt?
Speaker 1: And so from the coaching aspect of it, there are
Speaker 1: certain things I like to see from a college player.
Speaker 1: So if I see players that are combined correctly and
Speaker 1: rated in certain areas, I can pick from these certain
Speaker 1: areas that I like. I may not need a kid
Speaker 1: who makes every put right now. I may not need
Speaker 1: a kid who's shooting sixty five and sixes of tournaments.
Speaker 1: But if you can move it pretty good off the
Speaker 1: t if you have some nice distance and you're tracking
Speaker 1: combine is pretty good. I can show you how to
Speaker 1: score lower. On the other side, there's coaches and teams
Speaker 1: that like guys that roll it really well or already
Speaker 1: shooting really low, and maybe they'll work on the guys
Speaker 1: on the technical part of hitting golf shots, and so
Speaker 1: we can kind of match up player and coach very well. So,
Speaker 1: just like you said, is it like the high school
Speaker 1: or is it like the college the football combines and
Speaker 1: baseball and basketball combines.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we're rating and testing different things, but
Speaker 1: it's all for the same reason to find out about
Speaker 1: a player's strengths, what they're good at, and potential as well,
Speaker 1: and then to find out some of those hidden gems
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it sounds amazing. It's taking the moneyball concept and
Speaker 2: giving the stats so that you can compare apples to apples.
Speaker 2: I remember having a conversation with the coach at Michigan
Speaker 2: State years ago, and he talked about how it's difficult
Speaker 2: to recruit on the high school side, plus college teams
Speaker 2: don't have that many spaces open, right, But it's difficult
Speaker 2: to recruit on the on the college side because you
Speaker 2: have apples to oranges. They don't all play really nice courses,
Speaker 2: and they don't all you know, it's hard to compare them.
Speaker 1: Across the board hundred percent, You're you're right, And it
Speaker 1: is hard to judge a player, you know, that's playing
Speaker 1: maybe in the in the Northeast versus someone that's playing
Speaker 1: over here in the Southwest, and their seasons are different.
Speaker 1: And you know, the kids are just coming out on
Speaker 1: the East coast right now, they're just coming out of
Speaker 1: a pretty harsh winter, so their skills aren't going to
Speaker 1: be the same as somebody that's playing in Arizona, California,
Speaker 1: you know, in Nevada right now. And so our thing
Speaker 1: is if we're rating them at the proper time, like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go and do a Northeast combine, you know,
Speaker 1: in March, it's not going to do. Any of those
Speaker 1: kids aren't going to be ready. But when we get
Speaker 1: to their spot and their level at the right time,
Speaker 1: obviously everyone's going to have their skills. So someone's short
Speaker 1: game may show up better. Who's particularly not scoring their
Speaker 1: best or something at the time. So and then you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, it allows a good player to coach
Speaker 1: matchup as well, and it gives everyone there their rating
Speaker 1: at every different pillar that we choose to categorize.
Speaker 2: While we're on this topic, what kind of advice would
Speaker 2: you give to parents who have kids who are in
Speaker 2: high school that love to play the game, that want
Speaker 2: to compete? What kind of advice would you give to
Speaker 2: parents about prepping their kid to play college ball or
Speaker 2: how they can get into playing college ball?
Speaker 1: Awesome? Awesome, Come to US College Golf Combines. So the
Speaker 1: US Golf Combines dot com is actually going to go
Speaker 1: live next week. At the end of the week, we're
Speaker 1: going to go live.
Speaker 2: So give me a date on that, because this is
Speaker 2: going to be broadcast. You know, once we publish, the
Speaker 2: show may have been already live.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so approximately it will be April thirtieth. The
Speaker 1: website's going to go live. We will get start out
Speaker 1: on fifteen, twenty fifteen and from there. But you know what,
Speaker 1: play as much competition as you can play. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the tournament is, what the name of it is,
Speaker 1: who's the sponsor of it, where it's at the main
Speaker 1: thing is to just like we talked about with nerves earlier,
Speaker 1: the more you're in that situation, the less you're gonna
Speaker 1: feel those nerves, and the more competition you can play,
Speaker 1: the better. One thing I hear a lot. I work
Speaker 1: with a lot of really good junior and high school
Speaker 1: players as well, is I'm gonna wait till I'm playing
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I'm gonna wait till I'm swinging better.
Speaker 1: I'm'n wait till I'm putting better to get in that tournament. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know how we're gonna swing and how we're
Speaker 1: gonna hit it, and how we're gonna tip it until
Speaker 1: we get into the tournament. You may get there and
Speaker 1: find out that you're a great tournament player, not a
Speaker 1: good practicer. You know, I have a kid who on
Speaker 1: my team right now, who's the number two player in
Speaker 1: the country who does not qualify. Well, well, he's gotten
Speaker 1: a couple sponsor picker coaches picks by me, and the
Speaker 1: kid's gone out and played extremely well in tournaments. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's just like we said, there's gamers, and
Speaker 1: and so our thing is to make sure that the
Speaker 1: gamers are found, and how you're going to be found
Speaker 1: as a gamer is getting the game. You know that
Speaker 1: I've never won a golf tournament on a practice team.
Speaker 2: Oh I had Sorry, many.
Speaker 1: Actually, I won a couple of US Opens and Masters
Speaker 1: on a practice green, not on the rain.
Speaker 2: It made me think of something, Oh, the difference between
Speaker 2: high school golf and junior golf programs right right? And
Speaker 2: does that help recruiting a college recruiter if they're playing,
Speaker 2: you know, junior golf versus playing high school golf.
Speaker 1: I would say college recruiters are looking more at the
Speaker 1: at the junior golf tournaments because they're multiple day tournaments.
Speaker 1: They're eighteen whole tournaments a day. A lot of high
Speaker 1: school matches are nine hole matches, you know, and.
Speaker 2: They're not always on the best courses, right, and.
Speaker 1: They're not always on the best golf courses, and you
Speaker 1: know it's but we do look at those as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I go out to the state high
Speaker 1: school tournament every year and do a lot of recruiting
Speaker 1: there for my team. But and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of college coaches do as well. But they're also looking
Speaker 1: at some of the a j GA, the local junior
Speaker 1: tours that are playing. Like here in Arizona, we have
Speaker 1: the Junior gol Association in Arizona and they have the
Speaker 1: Desert Junior Tour and the Rocky mounta Junior tro and
Speaker 1: all these different junior tours that are going on. So,
Speaker 1: you know, my thing is how much tournament golf are
Speaker 1: you playing? First of all, and which tells me a
Speaker 1: couple of things. You know that that's your commitment to
Speaker 1: this game. And then you know, what are you shooting
Speaker 1: in these tournaments? How you how are you placing? How
Speaker 1: are you bouncing back from from poor rounds. I'm not
Speaker 1: always looking at your best rounds. I'm looking back. How
Speaker 1: are you bouncing back after round? Your progression from year
Speaker 1: to year? And so, uh, the only way for me
Speaker 1: to measure that unless you are getting combined by US
Speaker 1: Golf combine or you're I'm there watching you practice every day.
Speaker 1: Is the only measurement I have is your tournament scores,
Speaker 1: So as much competition as you can play.
Speaker 2: You said your team is number one in the nation.
Speaker 2: Is that on not on a D one D two
Speaker 2: it's community college.
Speaker 1: National Junior college yet the NJC double A So n
Speaker 1: JC double a number one team in the country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun. We've had some success against some D one schools.
Speaker 1: We yeah, we I think Arizona State right now is
Speaker 1: number two D one team in the country, and we
Speaker 1: clipped them earlier in the fall in a tournament, so
Speaker 1: we got played. Oh it's awesome, it's awesome. I would
Speaker 1: take my five junior college guys right now and play
Speaker 1: any NCAD Division one tournament in the country and know
Speaker 1: that we are not only going to compete, but would
Speaker 1: have a chance to win. To say that we're going
Speaker 1: to win every tournament at the D one level would
Speaker 1: be silly. But I tell you what, these guys can
Speaker 1: flat play and it is. It's fun. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: coaching them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh congratulations. How does team scoring work like that?
Speaker 1: So in our conference in junior college, we play six
Speaker 1: players count the four low scorers. In our regional tournament
Speaker 1: which is next Thursday through Sunday, it is five players
Speaker 1: count four. And at the national championship in May and
Speaker 1: Alabama's going to be five count four. So every day
Speaker 1: you play five players in your low four scores or
Speaker 1: is your team total?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go back. We're talking about
Speaker 2: twenty one year olds here. And my favorite line actually
Speaker 2: of the day. At the very end when he won,
Speaker 2: Jim Nantz was saying, well, you know, next month, if
Speaker 2: he was back in Texas. He would be graduating next month,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have to because he got his masters.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: It was a great line. But do you see kids
Speaker 2: that you go, Okay, this kid's going to be able
Speaker 2: to compete on a professional level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. All the time. I've got, you know, goodness,
Speaker 1: three or four or five on my team that I
Speaker 1: think are going to be playing professional golf, you know,
Speaker 1: at some level PGA Tour. I would love to see
Speaker 1: them there. Do they have the talent ability? Definitely? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a very talented group. But you gotta think
Speaker 1: we're a junior college team. I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: win an NC DOUBLEA championship at Pepperdine in ninety seven,
Speaker 1: and I would think that this team here is better
Speaker 1: than our team that won an NC DOUBLEA championship. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many guys. I mean, just to
Speaker 1: think that Jordan Spieth. I met Jordan the first time.
Speaker 1: I believe he was maybe eighteen, eighteen or nineteen. He
Speaker 1: got an exemption into the Northern Trust Open when he
Speaker 1: was at Texas, and I got an exemption to playing
Speaker 1: as well. And the kid was polished. I mean, he
Speaker 1: looked like a tour veteran at that age, and so
Speaker 1: you know, he's not your typical twenty one year old
Speaker 1: kid right now. I mean, this kid, the maturity that
Speaker 1: he has and his golf awareness and knowledge is just
Speaker 1: beyond his year, and it's it's it's pretty fun to see.
Speaker 1: So to think that he could have been playing next
Speaker 1: month n CUAA Championships is scary. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to run against him.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he's not eligible to.
Speaker 1: No, he could have been. I mean state college, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can that.
Speaker 2: He's not an amateur anymore. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: far from being an amateur.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if he you know, like I said, he
Speaker 1: could have been playing that wow, you know, come a month,
Speaker 1: and that would have been Like I said, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to run across him at that point.
Speaker 2: And wasn't when Tiger was that age. Wasn't he held back?
Speaker 2: Didn't his dad hold him back from playing on an
Speaker 2: upper level. It's like, just take one stage at a time.
Speaker 2: That's not rush things he did.
Speaker 1: Yep. And I tell people I see high school kids
Speaker 1: that want to jump right into the pro ranks right
Speaker 1: off the bat and.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about basketball.
Speaker 1: Right, We're talking about golfer. And I'm like, guys, if
Speaker 1: Tiger went to college for a couple of years, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should probably go to college for now. Are there
Speaker 1: exceptions to the rule? Yeah? Over in Europe, a lot
Speaker 1: of the guys don't go to college, like the Rory
Speaker 1: mcle and stuff like that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: a lot of them do you know, you got Adam Scott,
Speaker 1: who did you know he went to UNLV for a
Speaker 1: few years, so you know, there is there's kind of
Speaker 1: a blueprint ish of how to get there and and
Speaker 1: college golf gets you acclimated to play in bigger venues
Speaker 1: with with the best players all the time. And uh And,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was, you know, the guys that
Speaker 1: are the most successful did it for a little while
Speaker 1: at the college level and one NCAA championships Tiger won
Speaker 1: as well, and Jordan one and and uh and they
Speaker 1: moved up with the confidence and ability to be successful
Speaker 1: at the next level.
Speaker 2: You you said a moment ago that they have the
Speaker 2: talent and the ability. But my question is they have
Speaker 2: talent and ability, but dot dot dot. You know, obviously
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of maturity that is required. There's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of presence, there's a whole lot of
Speaker 2: self knowledge that you have to have to succeed at
Speaker 2: golf at that level. So tell ability, is that just enough?
Speaker 2: Or what what separates the ones who can from the
Speaker 2: can't on a competitive level?
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of things this right here. Your
Speaker 1: heart can't measure heart and and and and your mind
Speaker 1: up here. And so what what Jordan speak is really
Speaker 1: good at is is focusing and staying in the present
Speaker 1: and not being afraid of big situations. And so the
Speaker 1: awareness level that he has out there is is awesome.
Speaker 2: When you see an awareness, you're not talking about about
Speaker 2: his the competition. You're talking about awareness of self, of self.
Speaker 1: On the awareness of self. He his self awareness, his
Speaker 1: awareness of what he does at certain instances. I have
Speaker 1: tons of people who tell me they draw the ball
Speaker 1: and coming down the hardness of of of situations, the
Speaker 1: ball goes right, and and and I said, your awareness
Speaker 1: and and and our reality is a little differ front here. Right,
Speaker 1: if we missed the ball right all the time coming
Speaker 1: down to stretch and we're aiming right, we've got to disconnect.
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's the little intangibles that that
Speaker 1: separate the good from the greats. Okay, and the greats
Speaker 1: exactly what is it? It's being able to perform at
Speaker 1: your best and the most important time. Okay, So myself,
Speaker 1: for an example, I was a very good high school player.
Speaker 1: I was a collegiate All American. I went in c doublea's.
Speaker 1: I played on the PGA Tour, I played on the
Speaker 1: web dot Com Tour. I won twenty eight professional events.
Speaker 1: But what was it that I didn't do at the
Speaker 1: right time that a Jordan Speeth or a Tiger Woods does.
Speaker 1: Do you know why were they winning major team? Do
Speaker 1: they do those guys hit the ball better than I do? No?
Speaker 1: Do they chip it and put it better than I do? No?
Speaker 1: But there's a little intangibles that the greats, the Jack Necklaces,
Speaker 1: the Arnold Palmer's, the Lee Trevino's, those guys that that
Speaker 1: we see and are the greats of the game do
Speaker 1: better than the thirty to one twenty five on the
Speaker 1: money list guys, right, And it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with physical ability, has nothing to do with work ethic.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me that the twenty four guy in
Speaker 1: the money list works harder than the twenty five guind
Speaker 1: of Money list or the five guid of money list,
Speaker 1: works harder than the fifty guyd in of Mine list. No,
Speaker 1: there are intangibles that are that are immeasurable that helps
Speaker 1: you get to that level, and a lot of it,
Speaker 1: like I said, is repetition. I think Jordan's very successful.
Speaker 1: He's been playing a lot of high level golf for
Speaker 1: a long time, a lot of tournament golf for a
Speaker 1: long time, and putting yourself in that position as much
Speaker 1: as you can helps you be successful. And so finding
Speaker 1: out yourself, Hey, this is what I do when I'm
Speaker 1: in this situation. Now I'm going to own up to that.
Speaker 1: Once I found out what my miss really was coming
Speaker 1: down the stretch, I got to plan and kind of
Speaker 1: go into my process a little bit deeper and attack
Speaker 1: those things so I could be successful in that and
Speaker 1: cherish those moments instead of being afraid of them and
Speaker 1: being like the first question, being nervous about it. Right,
Speaker 1: I had more anticipation than fear, and so that's where
Speaker 1: the nerves get. You know, they can help you or
Speaker 1: hurt you at that same point. So you know those
Speaker 1: that's a great question that you asked, Right, there is
Speaker 1: you know, the dot dot dot. You know, what's going
Speaker 1: to be the commitment to these kids when they come
Speaker 1: out of college, you know, if they sign a big contract.
Speaker 1: We see that, I think a lot of players right now,
Speaker 1: and not to bring up a touchy subject, learned from
Speaker 1: Tiger's mistake. Okay, they learned. They learned that, hey, we can't,
Speaker 1: we can't lead this type of lifestyle that is available
Speaker 1: to us. Right, because who was the great superstar before
Speaker 1: Tiger out there? Oh wait, right there, there wasn't one,
Speaker 1: but Tigers said a blueprint of like this is what
Speaker 1: can't happen now? Yeah, exactly right. And there was no
Speaker 1: social media, and there wasn't all these different you know, distractions.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there was twenty four hours sports channels
Speaker 2: and golf channels.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and there wasn't people tweeting when I saw you
Speaker 1: with a certain I mean, I'm sure that Tiger is
Speaker 1: not the first person to have transgressions ever that had
Speaker 1: played golf, right, Probably not, Probably not, And that may
Speaker 1: not be the most popular thing to say, but it's true.
Speaker 2: And professional athlete, there are people following.
Speaker 1: Exactly and so and so the kids I think or
Speaker 1: Speed has really learned, Hey, this is the type of
Speaker 1: lifestyle that I want to lead to be successful. And
Speaker 1: he's doing it. And he's got a good camp around him,
Speaker 1: and he's got a good family around him, and he
Speaker 1: has people around him that are taking care of him
Speaker 1: and not trying to use him. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of the he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of the tools in place to be very
Speaker 1: successful in this game for a long time.
Speaker 2: Is Tiger's legacy Rory and Jordan? I mean, is you
Speaker 2: know what what did he bring to golf? Yeah, he
Speaker 2: brought a moment of amazing excellence. But what did he
Speaker 2: leave for the long term? Maybe it's the next generation
Speaker 2: of golfers and what he's taught them. That's a really
Speaker 2: interesting point that you have, because it seems like right now,
Speaker 2: more than ever on the professional level, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of young people playing and competing and succeeding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that that new breed's coming up? Right? I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I mean Rory made a comment
Speaker 1: last year about Phil and Tiger being on their back nine.
Speaker 1: You know, they're on the back nine of their careers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, that's that's.
Speaker 2: The same age as me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm six months older than Tiger. It's like that
Speaker 1: means I'm done. I've already made the turn. I'm on
Speaker 1: the nineteenth all right now.
Speaker 2: Dude, I talk about being in the back nine of life,
Speaker 2: so you still got some time.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's amazing that you know that these
Speaker 1: young guys that are coming up are so good and
Speaker 1: so strong, and you know, Patrick Reid what what what
Speaker 1: he bringing to this game is awesome and obviously Jordan's speed,
Speaker 1: and we see these guys that are just these young
Speaker 1: guns that are out there every week, and guess what,
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of Tiger. And I think the generation
Speaker 1: before Tiger, the guys that are you know, forty three,
Speaker 1: forty four that we played a little bit before Tiger
Speaker 1: and the guys that came out with him had that
Speaker 1: fear factor. We've been stung by Tiger for twenty years
Speaker 1: and it hurts. It's like, goodness, gracious, and he's only
Speaker 1: getting better. Well, the guys behind him never got stung
Speaker 1: by Tiger before, right, and so they come out there
Speaker 1: like Tiger who all we know Tiger's We saw you
Speaker 1: on TV apologizing for getting caught you know, doing that
Speaker 1: and now you're chili dipping it and you can't get
Speaker 1: it on the green at tpc's Scottsdale, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that fear. They don't have that fear factor.
Speaker 1: They don't have those those those scar they don't have
Speaker 1: the scar tissue of Tiger.
Speaker 2: Well, Tiger had this intimidation factor too when he was
Speaker 2: at his prime that everyone was talking about from you know,
Speaker 2: from columnists to mean, everybody, even if they weren't into golf,
Speaker 2: they were talking about his intimidation factor. He walked on
Speaker 2: the course and everybody was like, oh boy, this is
Speaker 2: not to be fun.
Speaker 1: I sat in a room with a room full of
Speaker 1: tour players, all tour winners, multiple winners, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about Tiger. I think this was about twenty ten
Speaker 1: or so, two thousand and nine, and everyone talked about
Speaker 1: I said, what's the difference because we all grew up
Speaker 1: playing against Tiger and we've beaten him, and he's beaten
Speaker 1: us obviously more than we beat him. But he was gettable.
Speaker 1: And they were like, Tiger is a different person now,
Speaker 1: he's almost godlike on a golf course. They're like, you,
Speaker 1: he floats around a golf course, you can be hitting
Speaker 1: balls and you'll feel him fifty yards behind you hitting
Speaker 1: balls and you'll feel him walking up. Just that presence.
Speaker 1: Right now, Tiger does not have that same presence out there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was just going to ask you, you've
Speaker 2: played against him, you've coached, can you watch him on
Speaker 2: TV and know like, okay, this is this put's not
Speaker 2: going in or he's not I mean, can you just
Speaker 2: feel it from him? You get a sense from him
Speaker 2: that it's not there.
Speaker 1: I saw him play at TVC's Got Still this year
Speaker 1: and I almost cried. I mean, it was that sad
Speaker 1: to see the best player who's ever picked up a
Speaker 1: golf club not be able to chip a ball onto
Speaker 1: the green from five yards off the green, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about not chipping it in what I'm
Speaker 1: used to seeing him doing, or not chipping it to
Speaker 1: a foot. He couldn't get a ball on the green right.
Speaker 1: He's still taking foe arm and trying to roll it up.
Speaker 1: And you know, he kind of bought into all this
Speaker 1: mess about changing his wrist patterns or whatever that means,
Speaker 1: and gluts being activated and deactivated and not firing, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was sad. To see, because I was
Speaker 1: there with a bunch of guys at that play on
Speaker 1: tour and we're watching like we don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: And it was a sad day, I think for golf
Speaker 1: more than anything, just because being a fan of the
Speaker 1: game and being able to play against and be around
Speaker 1: the best players ever. To see the best player ever
Speaker 1: go through that type of struggle, it's like, wow, you
Speaker 1: know what was hard, was like that could happen to
Speaker 1: me at any time. And then it was beautiful to
Speaker 1: watch him chipping and pitching the ball the way he
Speaker 1: did at the Masters, and and see, you know, the
Speaker 1: last day he stumbled a little bit, but I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I said, you know, with Tiger, you're going
Speaker 1: to get anything. He could have came out and gave
Speaker 1: it Jordan's speed performance and won by you know, four
Speaker 1: or five six shots, or he could have shot eighty
Speaker 1: eight ninety two, right, you know, And so to see
Speaker 1: him come out and get it out of the way,
Speaker 1: and I just want him to miss number one green
Speaker 1: and watch him chip it like chip it on the
Speaker 1: green and then let's breathe, okay, yeah, And and then
Speaker 1: you know, he played some some good rounds there in
Speaker 1: the middle and got himself, you know, somewhat in contention.
Speaker 1: Jordan kind of left the field, but he you know,
Speaker 1: he got himself in contention, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: think that's good for the game. Tell you the truth,
Speaker 1: this game as great ass Jordan's speed's going to be
Speaker 1: for the game, as great as as Rory McElroy is
Speaker 1: going to be for this game. The game's in good
Speaker 1: hands right now. But this game needs Tiger. Well.
Speaker 2: You know, I've recently received an email from a listener saying,
Speaker 2: stop talking about Tiger already. Let's focus on what's going on,
Speaker 2: because there is a youth movement that is happening. Jordan
Speaker 2: and Rory are the future of the game at that level,
Speaker 2: and Tiger is not it. And so maybe we put
Speaker 2: too much emphasis on what was and hoping it's going
Speaker 2: to come back, because it you know, the fact is
Speaker 2: watching Tiger this past week, and I commented to a
Speaker 2: couple of people, I don't remember Tiger having four good
Speaker 2: rounds on a weekend. I mean, he has not put
Speaker 2: four good rounds together in a long time, right, So,
Speaker 2: you know, you can always talk about the nineteen fifties Yankees,
Speaker 2: you know about dominating the sport. But they're not coming
Speaker 2: back either, right, right, right, right, So we do have
Speaker 2: to look at the future of the game. And you're
Speaker 2: working directly with these young kids, you think and you
Speaker 2: see firsthand that's where it's going.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, I mean, you know that was I don't
Speaker 1: think we could have had a better champion than than
Speaker 1: than Jordan, obviously, other than if Tiger would have won,
Speaker 1: the golf industry would have exploded. I mean, people don't
Speaker 1: understand that Tiger feeds us all in the golf industry. Okay,
Speaker 1: if Tiger had to bow out because you couldn't chip
Speaker 1: a ball on the green, this two million dollar performance
Speaker 1: in a rah hair right now would be struggling. I mean,
Speaker 1: he gives because because he's going to bring people want
Speaker 1: to watch Tiger either fail or succeed. But either way
Speaker 1: you want to watch him. Yeah, and so either way
Speaker 1: you're you're you're anticipating watching him play. Jordan was awesome
Speaker 1: because he won by a lot on Saturday and Sunday, right,
Speaker 1: and so people tuned in on Thursday to watch Tiger.
Speaker 1: Jordan took that audience away from them, great, right, he
Speaker 1: took he took the audience, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is my audience and that was awesome. And and
Speaker 1: Rory you know, didn't quite live up to what he was,
Speaker 1: you know, touted to do. And but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: great player, unbelievable players, so right.
Speaker 2: And obviously that course, that course does not compliment his game, right,
Speaker 2: So clearly he struggles there this concept of Tiger being
Speaker 2: the messiah for golf. I it's like a bunch of
Speaker 2: fifty I'm sorry, a bunch of sixty year old consultants
Speaker 2: talking about when they had their big day in business
Speaker 2: and they're waiting for it to come back. It's like, folks,
Speaker 2: if you're not embracing the Internet and Twitter and periscope
Speaker 2: and Facebook, if you're not embracing that in the way
Speaker 2: you do business, now forget about it.
Speaker 1: It's like Bundy talking about his high school you know,
Speaker 1: in high school, I threw for five touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: state game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was your moment.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Hopefully is Jordan. You know, we've always talked about is
Speaker 2: Rory the next Tiger? Is Ry? You know, we keep
Speaker 2: waiting for it to happen, and it kind of does.
Speaker 2: And he you know, he was on the on the
Speaker 2: verge of a career Grand Slam and that that is Jordan,
Speaker 2: the next Tiger. I mean, because we had you know,
Speaker 2: I mean we we it's big, you know, Arnie and
Speaker 2: Jack and Tiger. You know, you had. There are certain
Speaker 2: players for each generation that just carry the generation, and
Speaker 2: Tiger had his. But he fell from grace so hard.
Speaker 2: It's such a shame. But now we got to look
Speaker 2: to the future again. And is Jordan I think, I
Speaker 2: personally think because and this is gonna sound terrible because
Speaker 2: he's an American, it may be much bigger because the
Speaker 2: advertisers are gonna are gonna clamp onto that. Plus is
Speaker 2: you know, a horribleness his movie star looks. He's just
Speaker 2: you know, he's just like a clean looking kid. You know,
Speaker 2: they could be an advertising boom.
Speaker 1: He is and and he's and he's a great kid.
Speaker 1: And I think he's done everything the right way. And
Speaker 1: you know, been getting to know a lot of people
Speaker 1: around his camp lately. And the kid's a star and
Speaker 1: he's been for a long time. And I think the
Speaker 1: people around him know it, but they haven't kind of
Speaker 1: filled his head with all the hooplah. But but at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think that him that Jordan's speed
Speaker 1: being American is huge. It is big for the game
Speaker 1: because guess what, uh, To be honest, no one really
Speaker 1: tunes into the golf channel to watch Rory McRoy that
Speaker 1: much unless there's some Americans in the field that are
Speaker 1: playing well and he's doing everything. Rory's got a lot
Speaker 1: of swag, right, But Y didn't show up all the time.
Speaker 2: And I don't think he's I don't I think he's
Speaker 2: got the kind of and is it the word charisma
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for that Tiger had that there was
Speaker 2: something about him that just drew you to the screen.
Speaker 2: It just sucked you in. That Tiger, whether he was
Speaker 2: on the course or not, right and that, you know,
Speaker 2: is that what we're and we're always looking for the
Speaker 2: next one, the next one, the next one.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty unfair to put the next Tiger
Speaker 1: on anybody, including absolutely Tiger has been the best in
Speaker 1: the world since at his respective level, since we were
Speaker 1: five years old. And when he was, you know, thirteen
Speaker 1: years old, he was the best junior player in the world,
Speaker 1: so that was everyone under eighteen, and when he was
Speaker 1: in college he was the best player in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Norman was ranked number one in
Speaker 1: the world. But you know, Tiger went through a stretch
Speaker 1: in college where he was shooting sixty threes and fours
Speaker 1: and win an NCAA championship. Tiger shot eighty the last
Speaker 1: round in NCAA's and one. Okay, that's how that's how
Speaker 1: much he had blown us away. At the honors course,
Speaker 1: I was right there and I was a recipient of
Speaker 1: that whooping that he gave everybody as well. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think I played with Robert Floyd
Speaker 1: that week, Raymond's son, and Raymond followed us and said,
Speaker 1: if this, if this was a tour event this week,
Speaker 1: Tiger were won by about eight okay. And so you know,
Speaker 1: to put that on anybody, I don't know, is it
Speaker 1: is fair? Because they are looking for the next Tiger?
Speaker 1: How about Jordan be the first Jordan Speed?
Speaker 2: You know, how do you sell that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And so totally, why do you sell that?
Speaker 1: You know, Tiger. I'll tell you what. Under armour, these
Speaker 1: people at the top of these companies know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, they signed Tiger for sixty million and he
Speaker 1: turns into you know, the whole game, and and and
Speaker 1: under armour, you know, does this big contract with with
Speaker 1: Jordan and they did a great job. They did an
Speaker 1: unbelievable job. Uh. And so you know, obviously they know
Speaker 1: what they're picking and they know what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: And these guys are just you know, Nike signs a
Speaker 1: big contract with with Rory and he becomes a number
Speaker 1: one player in the world. It's like, these guys, are
Speaker 1: they know something we don't, right, I need to go
Speaker 1: to I need to go over there, and you have
Speaker 1: these guys do my lottery numbers or something like that.
Speaker 1: But uh, I.
Speaker 2: Have one more question and then and then we're going
Speaker 2: to take a break because you probably have a better
Speaker 2: sense of this than I do. But are players wearing
Speaker 2: spikes anymore?
Speaker 1: Well, so, so let me give you the let me
Speaker 1: give you the good answer here. I have a really
Speaker 1: great relationship with Soft Spikes and they do their R
Speaker 1: and D out of our performance center. So no spikes.
Speaker 1: Soft Spikes company by Pride Sports is the only way
Speaker 1: to go. Would that being said, Yeah, there's some people
Speaker 1: that still wear nails. Reasons why we probably don't need
Speaker 1: to know. You don't need spikes anymore. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to have spikes to to hold your foot,
Speaker 1: your balance, probably swing it too hard. Tip.
Speaker 2: That's that's an excellent point. I was blown away seeing
Speaker 2: Kegan Bradley wearing high top Air Jordan's.
Speaker 1: Those are hideous. Those are awful. Those are were there, spike?
Speaker 2: Where were there the you know, there's some sort of grip?
Speaker 2: Those were regular basketball shoes, were they?
Speaker 1: That's that? Now it's that Air Jordan golf shoes. And
Speaker 1: he I guess he's going to release it or yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and Kegan's wearing those are brutal.
Speaker 2: I was like blown him, like I kept rewinding going,
Speaker 2: oh my god, they really are Air Jordan high tops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts. That's his buddy. So he's making a
Speaker 1: shoe for him, you know. And yeah, yeah, yeah it
Speaker 1: but uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're going to provide us with a little tip perfect.
Speaker 1: This tip is called follow the handle. A lot's been
Speaker 1: said about short game lately, with Tiger's troubles and making
Speaker 1: good contact and hitting thin shots and heavy shots around
Speaker 1: the green. It's all can be handled in set up
Speaker 1: and knowing where you're center of grab is. If you
Speaker 1: know that your center of gravity is underneath your chin,
Speaker 1: your hands are going to fall back underneath your chin
Speaker 1: at impact. What happens is people try and hit golf
Speaker 1: shots low and they get their hands forward. We've all
Speaker 1: seen that guy before. And then when you come back
Speaker 1: and if you try to hit a golf shot and
Speaker 1: keep your hands forward at impact, you would bottom out
Speaker 1: back here and lift the ball. And a lot of
Speaker 1: players do that. They chunk it or they get they
Speaker 1: hit the ball thin, so they're trying to hit it low.
Speaker 1: If they come back and their hands fall underneath their chin,
Speaker 1: the ball goes high and they go walls trying to
Speaker 1: hit that low. So I always say follow the handle.
Speaker 1: If I want to hit a golf shot low and
Speaker 1: hit three shots for us, I'm going to hit a
Speaker 1: low chip shot, a medium chip shot, medium trajectory, and
Speaker 1: a higher pitch shot. And all I'm going to do
Speaker 1: is follow the handle. So when I say that is
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that my hands in the
Speaker 1: handle fall underneath my chin. If I want to have
Speaker 1: this club de loof did, I'm going to follow the handle.
Speaker 1: So now the handle's underneath my chin again, so I
Speaker 1: make contact, the ball will go low, we'll hit it
Speaker 1: nice and crit and we still make contact with our
Speaker 1: hands being consistently under our handle, which is underneath our
Speaker 1: chin or center of gravity. If I want to hit
Speaker 1: it medium, I set up here again. The shaft is
Speaker 1: still leaning, but not as much. The handles underneath our chin,
Speaker 1: and we make a regular chip shot. We'll all go
Speaker 1: just a little bit higher. If we want to hit
Speaker 1: the ball a little higher, what we do is we
Speaker 1: start to turn. So if I want to add some
Speaker 1: more law to it, I lean the shaft back. I
Speaker 1: turn so now the club is right underneath my center
Speaker 1: of gravity. Again, I'm a little more open to my target.
Speaker 1: Make the same swing, and we hit a nice high,
Speaker 1: softer shot. So the main thing is making sure that
Speaker 1: wherever golf shot we want to have. If we want
Speaker 1: to hit it low, we're going to have the club
Speaker 1: leaning toward our target, but we're going to follow the
Speaker 1: handle here. If it's medium, we're going to be right here,
Speaker 1: and if it's back, we're going to have the handle
Speaker 1: onneath our center of gravity. It's going to help you
Speaker 1: with contact