1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Matt McClory from Brentwood in New Hampshire 2 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:05,440 and I play. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 2: At Apple Hill Golf Club. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,919 Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter number. 5 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:11,679 Speaker 2: Four hundred and eighty five, published on April twenty one, 6 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,960 twenty fifteen. 7 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,199 Speaker 3: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,839 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 9 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:27,839 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,759 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,399 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: I've got three or four five on my team that 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,280 I think are going to be playing professional golf at 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,799 some level PGA Tour. I'd love to see them there. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,359 Do they have the talent ability? Definitely, this is a 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,520 very talented group. I was fortunate enough to win an 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,920 NCAA championship at Pepperdine in ninety seven, and I would 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,240 think that this junior college team here is better than 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,520 our team that won an NCAA championship. There's so many guys. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,439 I mean, just to think that I met Jordan Speed 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,240 in the first time, I believe he was maybe eighteen 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,679 or nineteen he got an exemption into the Northern Trust 23 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:06,079 Open when he was at Texas, and I got an 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,239 exemption to play it as well. And the kid was polished. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,359 He looked like a tour veteran at that age. He's 26 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:13,799 not your typical twenty one year old kid right now. 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,959 I mean the maturity that he has and his golf 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,959 awareness and knowledge is just beyond his years. And it's 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,079 pretty fun to see. So to think that he could 30 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:29,719 have been playing next month the NCAA Championships is scary. 31 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,519 Speaker 2: How you or your child can get into a college 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,079 golf program With Andy Walker, this is Golf Smarter Premium. 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,400 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf 34 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:45,319 Smarter Podcast. 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,239 Speaker 1: Andy, thanks for having me, Fred, I appreciate it. Buddy. 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Hey, it's great to have you on. And for those 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,319 of you who have not joined us, we are actually 38 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:58,200 broadcasting this live on periscope so that we have some 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,280 people watching, hopefully hearing both of our sides of our 40 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:04,599 conversation and they can submit questions. We've already gotten one 41 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:09,000 question in. I'm going to actually go right to the question, okay, 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,759 and then we'll get I need to get an update 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,360 of what's going on with you. We haven't talked to 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,120 you in about a year, and I want to talk 45 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:17,560 to you. Did you get a chance to watch the Masters? 46 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:21,000 I know you've been really busy with your teams. Uh huh, yeah, 47 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,520 so I mean there was a guy who won the 48 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,919 Masters this year that could have been on your team. Incredible, huh, 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,159 It's amazing. But we'll get to that later. I want 50 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:32,560 to go right to the first question that we got 51 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:36,199 worthy winner, absolutely right to the question that we got 52 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:39,680 on periscope, which is how do I overcome nerves in golf? 53 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Great question? You know what, nerves are kind of a 54 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:49,520 self induced feeling, and so when we talk about nerves, 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,919 it means our mind is in a place other than 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,319 where it should be. So if we're thinking about nerves, 57 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,400 we're thinking about the outcome of a particular top Say 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,800 we're on the eighteenth hole of a tournament and we're 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,680 really nervous because the consequences of winning could be really big. 60 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,719 I'm sure Jordan had a lot of nerves coming down 61 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:15,039 and stretch this week. But what great players do is 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,120 they focus on something instead of letting the nerves and 63 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:22,439 the thoughts of what if and what could be overcome 64 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,680 us if we have a good focus on and what 65 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:28,560 I like to call process, you know, where we get 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,039 to thinking about where we want to hit the golf shot, 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,599 how we're going to do it, you know, what it's 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,599 going to feel like, and kind of seeing the result 69 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:38,919 and doing a lot of the mental imagery. Then we 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,599 forget about the what ifs. So our nerves is going 71 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,759 to be there always. But the thing is we can 72 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,960 use them to our advantage. They can either nerves can 73 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:48,719 either help us or hurt us. So one thing that 74 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,159 I heard is the last thought we have before we 75 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,639 hit a golf shot is either going to enhance or 76 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:57,039 hurt what we're trying to accomplish with that golf shot. 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,800 So having nerves is a good thing. Being able to 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,199 race them and get refocused on what we want to 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,240 have happen when we hit the golf shot or play 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,479 the whole or what we're trying to accomplish on the 81 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,719 golf course at that time. Is what's going to really 82 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:13,479 separate us from failing in that in that time or 83 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,199 being very successful at the same time. 84 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:20,319 Speaker 2: Our first first t jitters similar to eighteenth hole jitters, 85 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,720 they manifest themselves differently, or is it all about you 86 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,439 have to be in the moment and forget anything else. 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're if they're much different. I 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,279 know the first t jitters are because the unknown. We 89 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,040 haven't hit any golf shots yet in competition for the day, 90 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,279 so we want to make sure that we're still that 91 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:42,639 guy that we were on the range, or we are 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,920 every day. I know when I was playing for a living, 93 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,160 the reason why I used to practice so hard was 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,519 because I was scared every day I was going to 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,680 wake up and not be as good as I was 96 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,839 the last day, And so that first shot of the 97 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,959 day was always like, Okay, I'm still I'm still me, right, 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,000 someone else didn't creep into into my body overnight and 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,160 turn into something else. And I hear a lot of 100 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,639 the same thing from a lot of tour players on 101 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:09,439 eighteen as well. Is you know, we start we start 102 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,600 thinking about the outcome of what could happen in the situation, 103 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:16,240 and so we lose some of the process. Rory McCrory 104 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,879 when he when the British said last year something very 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,279 good about two words that he worked on during the 106 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:24,240 whole week, and he said it before the tournament, So 107 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,279 in essence, he was kind of predicting that he was 108 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:28,399 going to win, and there's going to be two reasons why. 109 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,399 And he used the word process, and he used the 110 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,959 word spot. And I am huge on process, and process 111 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,759 goes into so deep, so many things of how we 112 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,480 prepare to hit a golf shot, how we manage our emotions, 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,079 what we're thinking about and why, and then going ahead 114 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:43,079 and hitting the golf shot and executing. And then spot 115 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,399 went into while he was putting, he was focusing on 116 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,600 a spot. So if I'm focused on something, you know, 117 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,639 we can't think about two or three different things at 118 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:53,560 one time. So if I'm, you know, focusing on my rhythm, 119 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:56,079 or if I'm focusing on a target in the background 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,839 or a specific swinky, I can't be thinking about the 121 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:02,600 nerves and the situation. And at the same time, we've. 122 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:05,439 Speaker 2: Talked so often about process and outcome. 123 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: Right. 124 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,399 Speaker 2: We even did a show once there was a teacher 125 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:13,399 who uses NATO golf, which is an ATO not attached 126 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,720 to outcome. Okay, and so many of the mental coaches 127 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:20,319 that we've talked to talk about process versus outcome. I 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,560 can see the sweaty palms on the first tee, you 129 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,759 know where your anticipation leading up to it for hours 130 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:32,519 and hours, if not days, weeks, months, versus your knees 131 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,399 knocking on the eighteenth hole on your eighteenth hole putt, right, 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,839 different kind of nerves. But again it's it's because you're 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,439 focused on what might happen versus staying in that moment exactly. 134 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,759 Speaker 1: And so even if we see with Jordan winning this 135 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,439 week was unbelievable performance that really started a month ago. 136 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:57,680 I mean the kids, you know, he goes win, second, second, win. 137 00:06:58,199 --> 00:06:59,839 He's been in the leader group, so the kid's been 138 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:03,800 in total control of his process the whole time. But 139 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:06,519 we saw on the seventy second hold the Masters, you know, 140 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,879 he didn't hit a very good putt at all. He 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,560 was not in the moment at that time he was 142 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,319 given his acceptance speech. He was just like, let me, 143 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:15,160 let me cuddle this thing up to the hole and 144 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:16,160 get it in somehow. 145 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: And only the announcers at that point knew that it 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,639 was a record breaking putt. I'm sure he wasn't aware 147 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,560 that if he makes the putt, he sets the record 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,560 for the lowest score ever. 149 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,519 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, subconsciously he may have known it. He wasn't 150 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,399 thinking about that he was thinking about, you know what, 151 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:32,560 I'm about to win the Masters. Let me not do 152 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:35,199 something stupid like power lift this thing out and have 153 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:37,439 it spin down the hill to fifteen feet and I 154 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:39,560 leave myself a tough you know. So his thing is 155 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:42,240 let us let me get this over with. And you know, 156 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,800 I'm sure his mind was racing the thing is a 157 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,519 kid is just I mean, that was an amazing performance 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,399 this week, and so the control that he showed that 159 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,839 he learned from last year. You know self admitted he 160 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:56,720 had lost control and got a little hot last year 161 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:58,720 after he missed that put on eight. You know, this 162 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:00,920 year he missed some putts as well, but he didn't 163 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,319 let it, you know, overcome him. He got right back 164 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,680 into the process of what he was doing. And the 165 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:06,839 result speaks for himself. 166 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was an amazing performance, and he's 167 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:16,800 got all parts of his game working. It was all 168 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,560 working all weekend long. Was it a fluke performance? Not 169 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,079 by him but in the world of golf, because you 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 don't you know, I mean, how many times has somebody 171 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,279 won by night, you know, by being minus eighteen right 172 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,360 on that golf course? 173 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Right? 174 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,759 Speaker 2: Was that a fluke? Are they going to have to 175 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:35,559 make changes of the course so they can make it. 176 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 You know, the winning score should be like in a 177 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,799 US Open, the winning should be a minus three, right, 178 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,720 not twenty nineteen. 179 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I wouldn't say it's a fluke. It 180 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,120 wasn't like he wasn't trying to shoot eighteen under. He 181 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,360 was trying to shoot even part shot eighteen. I would 182 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,279 say that it might be. I would say, more than anything, 183 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,360 I think the core setup was a little different. It 184 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,200 was a little softer. We saw that. I heard for 185 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,600 the first time that around the greens the grass was 186 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:08,679 cut towards the green instead of away from it, which 187 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,799 made chipping a lot easier. You weren't always against the grain. 188 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,279 I don't know if they did that to help out 189 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:16,480 a certain someone who had some short game issues earlier 190 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,919 this year, and but you know, at the same time, 191 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:24,000 I just think that conditions were conducive for low scoring 192 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,440 this year, and so you know, the guys took advantage 193 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,279 of it, and there was a lot of low scores 194 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,279 and eagles made and long irons hit really close in 195 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,480 three woods that were stopping close to the whole, and 196 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:36,000 you know, so you know, I don't think they really 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,080 have to change that golf course. I mean, it's they've 198 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,120 added so much laying to it. It's like seventy six 199 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,000 seventy seven hundred yards. There's a lot of things that 200 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,080 I think are really good with that golf course already 201 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,360 that they don't have to touch. I mean, maybe the 202 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:49,919 green's firming up a little bit more, you know, maybe 203 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,480 cutting the grain against the green, you know, going away 204 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,600 from the green around the greens is definitely going to 205 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,000 change the short game landscape of that golf courch, which 206 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,919 is where all the scoring is done is around the 207 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:03,360 green deck. 208 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: Enough about Jordan Speed. Everybody's talking about Jordan Speed. Let's 209 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:14,879 talk about Andy Walker. What's going on with you? 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: Wow? A lot, a lot's going on. It's been a 211 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,200 great year. 212 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:20,759 Speaker 2: Glad to hear. 213 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, still coaching South Mountain Community College. Number one junior 214 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,679 college team in the country, Is that right? Yeah, we're 215 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:28,879 number one team in the country. 216 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,919 Speaker 2: What's the age group of the kids that you have 217 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:31,919 playing there? 218 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: Eighteen to twenty twenty one? Okay, so yep, college kids 219 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 and we're the number one junior college team of the country. 220 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:43,600 We thank you. We've won every tournament this spring semester, 221 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,200 which has been unbelievable. I don't know if that's ever 222 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,159 been done before, but we've I've got a great group 223 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,039 of guys that are that are playing. I also have 224 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,919 the women's team, which is number two in our conference 225 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,080 right now. So they've made great strides from not even 226 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,799 really having a full team last year to become the 227 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:05,399 number two team in our region on the women's side, 228 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,879 which is pretty fun. Started up a new company called 229 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,120 US Golf Combines. 230 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: What is that tell me? 231 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,399 Speaker 1: Us Golf Combine, It's pretty fun. So it is the 232 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,519 most respected and kind of intricate combined rating system in golf. 233 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,840 So in essence, we're kind of coming up with a 234 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,399 rating system for the game of golf. Ours is going 235 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,080 to be targeted towards high school players that are wanting 236 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,360 to play in college. So we're going to be traveling 237 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,440 around the country. Are first ones in Dallas at Brookhaven 238 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,799 Country Club. So for people that are aware with Dallas, 239 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,159 brook Haven is Jordan Speace course that he grew up 240 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:45,720 playing with, and so the people that work with Jordan 241 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:47,879 Speed at Fitness. I know he was talking about the 242 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:51,440 guys when he gave his acceptance speech. Those guys are 243 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,919 going to be actually doing our fitness stuff, so it's 244 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,320 pretty neat. It was a big week for us with 245 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,000 US Golf Combines and Jordan Speed and his whole team, 246 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,279 because there's gonna a lot of stuff that we're going 247 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,519 to be doing in conjunction with each other. But we're 248 00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:06,759 going to go around the country and we're gonna be 249 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:08,600 rting high school players, so they're going to be going 250 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:12,759 through the trap Man combine. We have short game algorithms 251 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,039 and putting algorithms that dictate proximity the whole and give 252 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,159 you a rating as well as makes they're going to 253 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,000 go out and play. We have a mental combine that 254 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:23,159 we're going to be doing AMP Fitness, which is Jordan 255 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,799 SPI's fitness crew and people that work on his body 256 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,720 and physique are going to be doing a physical combine 257 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:33,720 with us, and then we're going to put the kids 258 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:39,080 high school resumes together in appropriate format and from there 259 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,000 we're going to videotape them and their interview and have 260 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,960 a nice package for them to send out to college 261 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,440 coaches so they can play college. 262 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:55,279 Speaker 2: Golf on The combine idea is based on combines, like 263 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,960 for football, from college kids going into the pros and 264 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,200 you get all the scouts together. That's the concept behind 265 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,279 this exactly. 266 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: College golf recruiting has been pretty tough. I've been fortunate 267 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,360 to get some really good players here where we're at, 268 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,919 but college golf recruit there's so many kids that are 269 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:17,000 out there playing high school golf, and only like the 270 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,480 Jordan's Speace and the select few that are playing the 271 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:23,519 bigger AJGA tournaments, USGA tournaments and Junior World and stuff 272 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,000 like that are get looked at by the top colleges. Well, 273 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,000 not everyone can play in those tournaments. It's just like 274 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,000 every event, there's only a limited amount of field, you 275 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,200 know that that can participate in the field. So how 276 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,480 does everyone else get seen and how do they get hurt? 277 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,320 And so from the coaching aspect of it, there are 278 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,360 certain things I like to see from a college player. 279 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:44,919 So if I see players that are combined correctly and 280 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,799 rated in certain areas, I can pick from these certain 281 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,080 areas that I like. I may not need a kid 282 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,960 who makes every put right now. I may not need 283 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,519 a kid who's shooting sixty five and sixes of tournaments. 284 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:56,879 But if you can move it pretty good off the 285 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,919 t if you have some nice distance and you're tracking 286 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,960 combine is pretty good. I can show you how to 287 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,519 score lower. On the other side, there's coaches and teams 288 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,639 that like guys that roll it really well or already 289 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:10,600 shooting really low, and maybe they'll work on the guys 290 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,200 on the technical part of hitting golf shots, and so 291 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,799 we can kind of match up player and coach very well. So, 292 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,440 just like you said, is it like the high school 293 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:21,240 or is it like the college the football combines and 294 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,759 baseball and basketball combines. 295 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 296 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,039 Speaker 1: You know, obviously we're rating and testing different things, but 297 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,279 it's all for the same reason to find out about 298 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:33,200 a player's strengths, what they're good at, and potential as well, 299 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,320 and then to find out some of those hidden gems 300 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:35,720 as well. 301 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it sounds amazing. It's taking the moneyball concept and 302 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 giving the stats so that you can compare apples to apples. 303 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:50,200 I remember having a conversation with the coach at Michigan 304 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:55,679 State years ago, and he talked about how it's difficult 305 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:59,720 to recruit on the high school side, plus college teams 306 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,480 don't have that many spaces open, right, But it's difficult 307 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,360 to recruit on the on the college side because you 308 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:11,120 have apples to oranges. They don't all play really nice courses, 309 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:18,120 and they don't all you know, it's hard to compare them. 310 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:19,799 Speaker 1: Across the board hundred percent, You're you're right, And it 311 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:23,639 is hard to judge a player, you know, that's playing 312 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:26,480 maybe in the in the Northeast versus someone that's playing 313 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:29,879 over here in the Southwest, and their seasons are different. 314 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:33,080 And you know, the kids are just coming out on 315 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,879 the East coast right now, they're just coming out of 316 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:37,840 a pretty harsh winter, so their skills aren't going to 317 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,000 be the same as somebody that's playing in Arizona, California, 318 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:44,159 you know, in Nevada right now. And so our thing 319 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,320 is if we're rating them at the proper time, like 320 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,279 I wouldn't go and do a Northeast combine, you know, 321 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,639 in March, it's not going to do. Any of those 322 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:54,159 kids aren't going to be ready. But when we get 323 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,480 to their spot and their level at the right time, 324 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,200 obviously everyone's going to have their skills. So someone's short 325 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,679 game may show up better. Who's particularly not scoring their 326 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:06,440 best or something at the time. So and then you know, 327 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:08,720 like I said, it allows a good player to coach 328 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,720 matchup as well, and it gives everyone there their rating 329 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:16,320 at every different pillar that we choose to categorize. 330 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: While we're on this topic, what kind of advice would 331 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,960 you give to parents who have kids who are in 332 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,039 high school that love to play the game, that want 333 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:27,639 to compete? What kind of advice would you give to 334 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,720 parents about prepping their kid to play college ball or 335 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:34,000 how they can get into playing college ball? 336 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Awesome? Awesome, Come to US College Golf Combines. So the 337 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:42,559 US Golf Combines dot com is actually going to go 338 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:44,639 live next week. At the end of the week, we're 339 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:45,200 going to go live. 340 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,679 Speaker 2: So give me a date on that, because this is 341 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:50,159 going to be broadcast. You know, once we publish, the 342 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,120 show may have been already live. 343 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, so approximately it will be April thirtieth. The 344 00:16:57,559 --> 00:16:59,159 website's going to go live. We will get start out 345 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:04,519 on fifteen, twenty fifteen and from there. But you know what, 346 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,559 play as much competition as you can play. It doesn't 347 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,000 matter what the tournament is, what the name of it is, 348 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:14,440 who's the sponsor of it, where it's at the main 349 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,079 thing is to just like we talked about with nerves earlier, 350 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,160 the more you're in that situation, the less you're gonna 351 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,960 feel those nerves, and the more competition you can play, 352 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 the better. One thing I hear a lot. I work 353 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,079 with a lot of really good junior and high school 354 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,079 players as well, is I'm gonna wait till I'm playing 355 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:32,640 a little bit better. I'm gonna wait till I'm swinging better. 356 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,079 I'm'n wait till I'm putting better to get in that tournament. Well, 357 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,480 we don't know how we're gonna swing and how we're 358 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,839 gonna hit it, and how we're gonna tip it until 359 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:39,839 we get into the tournament. You may get there and 360 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,880 find out that you're a great tournament player, not a 361 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,440 good practicer. You know, I have a kid who on 362 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,119 my team right now, who's the number two player in 363 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,559 the country who does not qualify. Well, well, he's gotten 364 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:54,640 a couple sponsor picker coaches picks by me, and the 365 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,960 kid's gone out and played extremely well in tournaments. So 366 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:01,759 you know, there's just like we said, there's gamers, and 367 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:03,119 and so our thing is to make sure that the 368 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,119 gamers are found, and how you're going to be found 369 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,319 as a gamer is getting the game. You know that 370 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,519 I've never won a golf tournament on a practice team. 371 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:11,839 Speaker 2: Oh I had Sorry, many. 372 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Actually, I won a couple of US Opens and Masters 373 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,160 on a practice green, not on the rain. 374 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,039 Speaker 2: It made me think of something, Oh, the difference between 375 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,960 high school golf and junior golf programs right right? And 376 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,920 does that help recruiting a college recruiter if they're playing, 377 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,000 you know, junior golf versus playing high school golf. 378 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: I would say college recruiters are looking more at the 379 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,799 at the junior golf tournaments because they're multiple day tournaments. 380 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,640 They're eighteen whole tournaments a day. A lot of high 381 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,839 school matches are nine hole matches, you know, and. 382 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:55,559 Speaker 2: They're not always on the best courses, right, and. 383 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:58,559 Speaker 1: They're not always on the best golf courses, and you 384 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,599 know it's but we do look at those as well. 385 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:03,599 I mean, obviously I go out to the state high 386 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:05,480 school tournament every year and do a lot of recruiting 387 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:10,160 there for my team. But and I think a lot 388 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,599 of college coaches do as well. But they're also looking 389 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,480 at some of the a j GA, the local junior 390 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,240 tours that are playing. Like here in Arizona, we have 391 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,319 the Junior gol Association in Arizona and they have the 392 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,000 Desert Junior Tour and the Rocky mounta Junior tro and 393 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:24,279 all these different junior tours that are going on. So, 394 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:26,599 you know, my thing is how much tournament golf are 395 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,079 you playing? First of all, and which tells me a 396 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,200 couple of things. You know that that's your commitment to 397 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:34,880 this game. And then you know, what are you shooting 398 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,240 in these tournaments? How you how are you placing? How 399 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,319 are you bouncing back from from poor rounds. I'm not 400 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,440 always looking at your best rounds. I'm looking back. How 401 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,240 are you bouncing back after round? Your progression from year 402 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:46,960 to year? And so, uh, the only way for me 403 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,759 to measure that unless you are getting combined by US 404 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,960 Golf combine or you're I'm there watching you practice every day. 405 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Is the only measurement I have is your tournament scores, 406 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:59,079 So as much competition as you can play. 407 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 2: You said your team is number one in the nation. 408 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:09,559 Is that on not on a D one D two 409 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:11,160 it's community college. 410 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: National Junior college yet the NJC double A So n 411 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,920 JC double a number one team in the country. Yeah, 412 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,839 it's fun. We've had some success against some D one schools. 413 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,039 We yeah, we I think Arizona State right now is 414 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,279 number two D one team in the country, and we 415 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:29,839 clipped them earlier in the fall in a tournament, so 416 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,799 we got played. Oh it's awesome, it's awesome. I would 417 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:37,680 take my five junior college guys right now and play 418 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:42,000 any NCAD Division one tournament in the country and know 419 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,400 that we are not only going to compete, but would 420 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,880 have a chance to win. To say that we're going 421 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,559 to win every tournament at the D one level would 422 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:51,319 be silly. But I tell you what, these guys can 423 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,039 flat play and it is. It's fun. It's a pleasure 424 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:54,519 coaching them. 425 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh congratulations. How does team scoring work like that? 426 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,599 Speaker 1: So in our conference in junior college, we play six 427 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,799 players count the four low scorers. In our regional tournament 428 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:11,440 which is next Thursday through Sunday, it is five players 429 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,640 count four. And at the national championship in May and 430 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,799 Alabama's going to be five count four. So every day 431 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,200 you play five players in your low four scores or 432 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:22,119 is your team total? 433 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,519 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go back. We're talking about 434 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:30,480 twenty one year olds here. And my favorite line actually 435 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,319 of the day. At the very end when he won, 436 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,599 Jim Nantz was saying, well, you know, next month, if 437 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,920 he was back in Texas. He would be graduating next month, 438 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,519 but he doesn't have to because he got his masters. 439 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: That's right. 440 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: It was a great line. But do you see kids 441 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,039 that you go, Okay, this kid's going to be able 442 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,440 to compete on a professional level. 443 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. All the time. I've got, you know, goodness, 444 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,119 three or four or five on my team that I 445 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,200 think are going to be playing professional golf, you know, 446 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,400 at some level PGA Tour. I would love to see 447 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,640 them there. Do they have the talent ability? Definitely? I mean, 448 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,000 this is a very talented group. But you gotta think 449 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,759 we're a junior college team. I was fortunate enough to 450 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,920 win an NC DOUBLEA championship at Pepperdine in ninety seven, 451 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,319 and I would think that this team here is better 452 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,920 than our team that won an NC DOUBLEA championship. And so, 453 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,599 you know, there's so many guys. I mean, just to 454 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,960 think that Jordan Spieth. I met Jordan the first time. 455 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,480 I believe he was maybe eighteen, eighteen or nineteen. He 456 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,680 got an exemption into the Northern Trust Open when he 457 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,799 was at Texas, and I got an exemption to playing 458 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,880 as well. And the kid was polished. I mean, he 459 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,400 looked like a tour veteran at that age, and so 460 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,359 you know, he's not your typical twenty one year old 461 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,240 kid right now. I mean, this kid, the maturity that 462 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:59,000 he has and his golf awareness and knowledge is just 463 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,000 beyond his year, and it's it's it's pretty fun to see. 464 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:04,680 So to think that he could have been playing next 465 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,319 month n CUAA Championships is scary. I mean, I just 466 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,599 wouldn't want to run against him. 467 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he's not eligible to. 468 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: No, he could have been. I mean state college, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 469 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,440 he can that. 470 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: He's not an amateur anymore. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 471 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:19,799 far from being an amateur. 472 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if he you know, like I said, he 473 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,880 could have been playing that wow, you know, come a month, 474 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,720 and that would have been Like I said, I wouldn't 475 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,319 want to run across him at that point. 476 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,559 Speaker 2: And wasn't when Tiger was that age. Wasn't he held back? 477 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,200 Didn't his dad hold him back from playing on an 478 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,720 upper level. It's like, just take one stage at a time. 479 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,599 That's not rush things he did. 480 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: Yep. And I tell people I see high school kids 481 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,559 that want to jump right into the pro ranks right 482 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:45,119 off the bat and. 483 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: We're not talking about basketball. 484 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,519 Speaker 1: Right, We're talking about golfer. And I'm like, guys, if 485 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,400 Tiger went to college for a couple of years, yeah, 486 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,160 you should probably go to college for now. Are there 487 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000 exceptions to the rule? Yeah? Over in Europe, a lot 488 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,640 of the guys don't go to college, like the Rory 489 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,079 mcle and stuff like that. But at the same time, 490 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,240 a lot of them do you know, you got Adam Scott, 491 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,279 who did you know he went to UNLV for a 492 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,359 few years, so you know, there is there's kind of 493 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,400 a blueprint ish of how to get there and and 494 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,359 college golf gets you acclimated to play in bigger venues 495 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,599 with with the best players all the time. And uh And, 496 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,839 like I said, it was, you know, the guys that 497 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,960 are the most successful did it for a little while 498 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,880 at the college level and one NCAA championships Tiger won 499 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,599 as well, and Jordan one and and uh and they 500 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 moved up with the confidence and ability to be successful 501 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,200 at the next level. 502 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,319 Speaker 2: You you said a moment ago that they have the 503 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,680 talent and the ability. But my question is they have 504 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:46,039 talent and ability, but dot dot dot. You know, obviously 505 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,240 there's a whole lot of maturity that is required. There's 506 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,759 a whole lot of presence, there's a whole lot of 507 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,480 self knowledge that you have to have to succeed at 508 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:02,400 golf at that level. So tell ability, is that just enough? 509 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:09,079 Or what what separates the ones who can from the 510 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,759 can't on a competitive level? 511 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,839 Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of things this right here. Your 512 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,240 heart can't measure heart and and and and your mind 513 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,160 up here. And so what what Jordan speak is really 514 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,279 good at is is focusing and staying in the present 515 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,799 and not being afraid of big situations. And so the 516 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,319 awareness level that he has out there is is awesome. 517 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,559 Speaker 2: When you see an awareness, you're not talking about about 518 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,720 his the competition. You're talking about awareness of self, of self. 519 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,839 Speaker 1: On the awareness of self. He his self awareness, his 520 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,720 awareness of what he does at certain instances. I have 521 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,160 tons of people who tell me they draw the ball 522 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,480 and coming down the hardness of of of situations, the 523 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:57,960 ball goes right, and and and I said, your awareness 524 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,720 and and and our reality is a little differ front here. Right, 525 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,799 if we missed the ball right all the time coming 526 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,720 down to stretch and we're aiming right, we've got to disconnect. 527 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,359 And so you know, there's the little intangibles that that 528 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,079 separate the good from the greats. Okay, and the greats 529 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,759 exactly what is it? It's being able to perform at 530 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:25,559 your best and the most important time. Okay, So myself, 531 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,839 for an example, I was a very good high school player. 532 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:29,839 I was a collegiate All American. I went in c doublea's. 533 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,279 I played on the PGA Tour, I played on the 534 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,279 web dot Com Tour. I won twenty eight professional events. 535 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000 But what was it that I didn't do at the 536 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,519 right time that a Jordan Speeth or a Tiger Woods does. 537 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,279 Do you know why were they winning major team? Do 538 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,200 they do those guys hit the ball better than I do? No? 539 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,920 Do they chip it and put it better than I do? No? 540 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,079 But there's a little intangibles that the greats, the Jack Necklaces, 541 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,359 the Arnold Palmer's, the Lee Trevino's, those guys that that 542 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,319 we see and are the greats of the game do 543 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,640 better than the thirty to one twenty five on the 544 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359 money list guys, right, And it has nothing to do 545 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,079 with physical ability, has nothing to do with work ethic. 546 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,680 You can't tell me that the twenty four guy in 547 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,400 the money list works harder than the twenty five guind 548 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,279 of Money list or the five guid of money list, 549 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,039 works harder than the fifty guyd in of Mine list. No, 550 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,319 there are intangibles that are that are immeasurable that helps 551 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,039 you get to that level, and a lot of it, 552 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,319 like I said, is repetition. I think Jordan's very successful. 553 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,039 He's been playing a lot of high level golf for 554 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,720 a long time, a lot of tournament golf for a 555 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,920 long time, and putting yourself in that position as much 556 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,920 as you can helps you be successful. And so finding 557 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,920 out yourself, Hey, this is what I do when I'm 558 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,880 in this situation. Now I'm going to own up to that. 559 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,400 Once I found out what my miss really was coming 560 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,480 down the stretch, I got to plan and kind of 561 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,599 go into my process a little bit deeper and attack 562 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,160 those things so I could be successful in that and 563 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,279 cherish those moments instead of being afraid of them and 564 00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,880 being like the first question, being nervous about it. Right, 565 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,400 I had more anticipation than fear, and so that's where 566 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,599 the nerves get. You know, they can help you or 567 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,279 hurt you at that same point. So you know those 568 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,480 that's a great question that you asked, Right, there is 569 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,519 you know, the dot dot dot. You know, what's going 570 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,480 to be the commitment to these kids when they come 571 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,960 out of college, you know, if they sign a big contract. 572 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,680 We see that, I think a lot of players right now, 573 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,559 and not to bring up a touchy subject, learned from 574 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,279 Tiger's mistake. Okay, they learned. They learned that, hey, we can't, 575 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,559 we can't lead this type of lifestyle that is available 576 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:40,119 to us. Right, because who was the great superstar before 577 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Tiger out there? Oh wait, right there, there wasn't one, 578 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,920 but Tigers said a blueprint of like this is what 579 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,039 can't happen now? Yeah, exactly right. And there was no 580 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,079 social media, and there wasn't all these different you know, distractions. 581 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure that there was twenty four hours sports channels 582 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,000 and golf channels. 583 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,559 Speaker 1: Exactly, and there wasn't people tweeting when I saw you 584 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,319 with a certain I mean, I'm sure that Tiger is 585 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,960 not the first person to have transgressions ever that had 586 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,119 played golf, right, Probably not, Probably not, And that may 587 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,440 not be the most popular thing to say, but it's true. 588 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,119 Speaker 2: And professional athlete, there are people following. 589 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:23,559 Speaker 1: Exactly and so and so the kids I think or 590 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,559 Speed has really learned, Hey, this is the type of 591 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,000 lifestyle that I want to lead to be successful. And 592 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,640 he's doing it. And he's got a good camp around him, 593 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,200 and he's got a good family around him, and he 594 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,519 has people around him that are taking care of him 595 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,480 and not trying to use him. And so, you know, 596 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:40,319 I think he's got a lot of the he's got 597 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,759 a lot of the tools in place to be very 598 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,119 successful in this game for a long time. 599 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:54,359 Speaker 2: Is Tiger's legacy Rory and Jordan? I mean, is you 600 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,920 know what what did he bring to golf? Yeah, he 601 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,519 brought a moment of amazing excellence. But what did he 602 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480 leave for the long term? Maybe it's the next generation 603 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,839 of golfers and what he's taught them. That's a really 604 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,000 interesting point that you have, because it seems like right now, 605 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 more than ever on the professional level, there's a lot 606 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,240 of young people playing and competing and succeeding. 607 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that that new breed's coming up? Right? I mean? 608 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,160 You know, I mean, I mean Rory made a comment 609 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,880 last year about Phil and Tiger being on their back nine. 610 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,759 You know, they're on the back nine of their careers. 611 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,799 I'm like, Wow, that's that's. 612 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,759 Speaker 2: The same age as me. 613 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm six months older than Tiger. It's like that 614 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:40,680 means I'm done. I've already made the turn. I'm on 615 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,039 the nineteenth all right now. 616 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,759 Speaker 2: Dude, I talk about being in the back nine of life, 617 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,039 so you still got some time. 618 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,599 Speaker 1: So you know, it's amazing that you know that these 619 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,079 young guys that are coming up are so good and 620 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,000 so strong, and you know, Patrick Reid what what what 621 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,000 he bringing to this game is awesome and obviously Jordan's speed, 622 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,440 and we see these guys that are just these young 623 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,640 guns that are out there every week, and guess what, 624 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,279 they're not afraid of Tiger. And I think the generation 625 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880 before Tiger, the guys that are you know, forty three, 626 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000 forty four that we played a little bit before Tiger 627 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,799 and the guys that came out with him had that 628 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,880 fear factor. We've been stung by Tiger for twenty years 629 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,319 and it hurts. It's like, goodness, gracious, and he's only 630 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,200 getting better. Well, the guys behind him never got stung 631 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,759 by Tiger before, right, and so they come out there 632 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,400 like Tiger who all we know Tiger's We saw you 633 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,279 on TV apologizing for getting caught you know, doing that 634 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,240 and now you're chili dipping it and you can't get 635 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,000 it on the green at tpc's Scottsdale, and you know, 636 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,519 it's like that fear. They don't have that fear factor. 637 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,759 They don't have those those those scar they don't have 638 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:42,839 the scar tissue of Tiger. 639 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: Well, Tiger had this intimidation factor too when he was 640 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,759 at his prime that everyone was talking about from you know, 641 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,599 from columnists to mean, everybody, even if they weren't into golf, 642 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,680 they were talking about his intimidation factor. He walked on 643 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720 the course and everybody was like, oh boy, this is 644 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:00,559 not to be fun. 645 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: I sat in a room with a room full of 646 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,680 tour players, all tour winners, multiple winners, and we were 647 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,839 talking about Tiger. I think this was about twenty ten 648 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,160 or so, two thousand and nine, and everyone talked about 649 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,839 I said, what's the difference because we all grew up 650 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,920 playing against Tiger and we've beaten him, and he's beaten 651 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,839 us obviously more than we beat him. But he was gettable. 652 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,799 And they were like, Tiger is a different person now, 653 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,079 he's almost godlike on a golf course. They're like, you, 654 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,720 he floats around a golf course, you can be hitting 655 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,519 balls and you'll feel him fifty yards behind you hitting 656 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,559 balls and you'll feel him walking up. Just that presence. 657 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,880 Right now, Tiger does not have that same presence out there. 658 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was just going to ask you, you've 659 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,960 played against him, you've coached, can you watch him on 660 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,319 TV and know like, okay, this is this put's not 661 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 going in or he's not I mean, can you just 662 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,119 feel it from him? You get a sense from him 663 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,759 that it's not there. 664 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,839 Speaker 1: I saw him play at TVC's Got Still this year 665 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,839 and I almost cried. I mean, it was that sad 666 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640 to see the best player who's ever picked up a 667 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,880 golf club not be able to chip a ball onto 668 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,400 the green from five yards off the green, right. I mean, 669 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,960 I'm not talking about not chipping it in what I'm 670 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,640 used to seeing him doing, or not chipping it to 671 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,880 a foot. He couldn't get a ball on the green right. 672 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,960 He's still taking foe arm and trying to roll it up. 673 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,920 And you know, he kind of bought into all this 674 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,119 mess about changing his wrist patterns or whatever that means, 675 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,319 and gluts being activated and deactivated and not firing, and 676 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:38,839 you know, it was sad. To see, because I was 677 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,279 there with a bunch of guys at that play on 678 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,160 tour and we're watching like we don't know what's going on. 679 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,240 And it was a sad day, I think for golf 680 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,440 more than anything, just because being a fan of the 681 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,279 game and being able to play against and be around 682 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,880 the best players ever. To see the best player ever 683 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,079 go through that type of struggle, it's like, wow, you 684 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:58,960 know what was hard, was like that could happen to 685 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160 me at any time. And then it was beautiful to 686 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000 watch him chipping and pitching the ball the way he 687 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,400 did at the Masters, and and see, you know, the 688 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,840 last day he stumbled a little bit, but I had 689 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,280 no idea. I said, you know, with Tiger, you're going 690 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,480 to get anything. He could have came out and gave 691 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,199 it Jordan's speed performance and won by you know, four 692 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,119 or five six shots, or he could have shot eighty 693 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,400 eight ninety two, right, you know, And so to see 694 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,079 him come out and get it out of the way, 695 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,159 and I just want him to miss number one green 696 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,880 and watch him chip it like chip it on the 697 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,920 green and then let's breathe, okay, yeah, And and then 698 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,559 you know, he played some some good rounds there in 699 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,639 the middle and got himself, you know, somewhat in contention. 700 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,599 Jordan kind of left the field, but he you know, 701 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,599 he got himself in contention, and you know, and I 702 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,480 think that's good for the game. Tell you the truth, 703 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,079 this game as great ass Jordan's speed's going to be 704 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,800 for the game, as great as as Rory McElroy is 705 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,880 going to be for this game. The game's in good 706 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,559 hands right now. But this game needs Tiger. Well. 707 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,559 Speaker 2: You know, I've recently received an email from a listener saying, 708 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,199 stop talking about Tiger already. Let's focus on what's going on, 709 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,039 because there is a youth movement that is happening. Jordan 710 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,599 and Rory are the future of the game at that level, 711 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,719 and Tiger is not it. And so maybe we put 712 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,960 too much emphasis on what was and hoping it's going 713 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,719 to come back, because it you know, the fact is 714 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,079 watching Tiger this past week, and I commented to a 715 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,360 couple of people, I don't remember Tiger having four good 716 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,960 rounds on a weekend. I mean, he has not put 717 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440 four good rounds together in a long time, right, So, 718 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,800 you know, you can always talk about the nineteen fifties Yankees, 719 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,880 you know about dominating the sport. But they're not coming 720 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,360 back either, right, right, right, right, So we do have 721 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,599 to look at the future of the game. And you're 722 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,360 working directly with these young kids, you think and you 723 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239 see firsthand that's where it's going. 724 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,039 Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, I mean, you know that was I don't 725 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,880 think we could have had a better champion than than 726 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,599 than Jordan, obviously, other than if Tiger would have won, 727 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,760 the golf industry would have exploded. I mean, people don't 728 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,559 understand that Tiger feeds us all in the golf industry. Okay, 729 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:26,760 if Tiger had to bow out because you couldn't chip 730 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,239 a ball on the green, this two million dollar performance 731 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,519 in a rah hair right now would be struggling. I mean, 732 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,079 he gives because because he's going to bring people want 733 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,400 to watch Tiger either fail or succeed. But either way 734 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,239 you want to watch him. Yeah, and so either way 735 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,719 you're you're you're anticipating watching him play. Jordan was awesome 736 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,599 because he won by a lot on Saturday and Sunday, right, 737 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,719 and so people tuned in on Thursday to watch Tiger. 738 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,239 Jordan took that audience away from them, great, right, he 739 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,039 took he took the audience, and he was like, hey, 740 00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,519 this is my audience and that was awesome. And and 741 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,880 Rory you know, didn't quite live up to what he was, 742 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,760 you know, touted to do. And but I mean, you know, 743 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,280 great player, unbelievable players, so right. 744 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 2: And obviously that course, that course does not compliment his game, right, 745 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:30,760 So clearly he struggles there this concept of Tiger being 746 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,559 the messiah for golf. I it's like a bunch of 747 00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:40,360 fifty I'm sorry, a bunch of sixty year old consultants 748 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,159 talking about when they had their big day in business 749 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,039 and they're waiting for it to come back. It's like, folks, 750 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,679 if you're not embracing the Internet and Twitter and periscope 751 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360 and Facebook, if you're not embracing that in the way 752 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,079 you do business, now forget about it. 753 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,559 Speaker 1: It's like Bundy talking about his high school you know, 754 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,800 in high school, I threw for five touchdowns in the 755 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,400 state game. 756 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:03,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was your moment. 757 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: And so. 758 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 2: Hopefully is Jordan. You know, we've always talked about is 759 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,360 Rory the next Tiger? Is Ry? You know, we keep 760 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,079 waiting for it to happen, and it kind of does. 761 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,039 And he you know, he was on the on the 762 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:21,440 verge of a career Grand Slam and that that is Jordan, 763 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,639 the next Tiger. I mean, because we had you know, 764 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,199 I mean we we it's big, you know, Arnie and 765 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,320 Jack and Tiger. You know, you had. There are certain 766 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,039 players for each generation that just carry the generation, and 767 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,440 Tiger had his. But he fell from grace so hard. 768 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,079 It's such a shame. But now we got to look 769 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,360 to the future again. And is Jordan I think, I 770 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,480 personally think because and this is gonna sound terrible because 771 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:55,519 he's an American, it may be much bigger because the 772 00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,559 advertisers are gonna are gonna clamp onto that. Plus is 773 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,320 you know, a horribleness his movie star looks. He's just 774 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,440 you know, he's just like a clean looking kid. You know, 775 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480 they could be an advertising boom. 776 00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,039 Speaker 1: He is and and he's and he's a great kid. 777 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,800 And I think he's done everything the right way. And 778 00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:19,559 you know, been getting to know a lot of people 779 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,559 around his camp lately. And the kid's a star and 780 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,000 he's been for a long time. And I think the 781 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,840 people around him know it, but they haven't kind of 782 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,320 filled his head with all the hooplah. But but at 783 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,400 the same time, I think that him that Jordan's speed 784 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,719 being American is huge. It is big for the game 785 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,039 because guess what, uh, To be honest, no one really 786 00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,280 tunes into the golf channel to watch Rory McRoy that 787 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,199 much unless there's some Americans in the field that are 788 00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,239 playing well and he's doing everything. Rory's got a lot 789 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,840 of swag, right, But Y didn't show up all the time. 790 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,559 Speaker 2: And I don't think he's I don't I think he's 791 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,400 got the kind of and is it the word charisma 792 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,400 what I'm looking for that Tiger had that there was 793 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,960 something about him that just drew you to the screen. 794 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,280 It just sucked you in. That Tiger, whether he was 795 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,000 on the course or not, right and that, you know, 796 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,039 is that what we're and we're always looking for the 797 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:20,519 next one, the next one, the next one. 798 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,639 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty unfair to put the next Tiger 799 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:28,840 on anybody, including absolutely Tiger has been the best in 800 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,840 the world since at his respective level, since we were 801 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,239 five years old. And when he was, you know, thirteen 802 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,199 years old, he was the best junior player in the world, 803 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,320 so that was everyone under eighteen, and when he was 804 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480 in college he was the best player in the world. 805 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,519 I mean, I think Norman was ranked number one in 806 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:48,719 the world. But you know, Tiger went through a stretch 807 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,760 in college where he was shooting sixty threes and fours 808 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,280 and win an NCAA championship. Tiger shot eighty the last 809 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,320 round in NCAA's and one. Okay, that's how that's how 810 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,239 much he had blown us away. At the honors course, 811 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,719 I was right there and I was a recipient of 812 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,880 that whooping that he gave everybody as well. And uh, 813 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,960 you know, and I think I played with Robert Floyd 814 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400 that week, Raymond's son, and Raymond followed us and said, 815 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,480 if this, if this was a tour event this week, 816 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:18,000 Tiger were won by about eight okay. And so you know, 817 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,159 to put that on anybody, I don't know, is it 818 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,760 is fair? Because they are looking for the next Tiger? 819 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,239 How about Jordan be the first Jordan Speed? 820 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,559 Speaker 2: You know, how do you sell that? 821 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 822 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,519 Speaker 2: And so totally, why do you sell that? 823 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,679 Speaker 1: You know, Tiger. I'll tell you what. Under armour, these 824 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,639 people at the top of these companies know what they're doing. 825 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:41,679 I mean, they signed Tiger for sixty million and he 826 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,960 turns into you know, the whole game, and and and 827 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,599 under armour, you know, does this big contract with with 828 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,639 Jordan and they did a great job. They did an 829 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,480 unbelievable job. Uh. And so you know, obviously they know 830 00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,679 what they're picking and they know what they're looking for. 831 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,440 And these guys are just you know, Nike signs a 832 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,199 big contract with with Rory and he becomes a number 833 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:04,880 one player in the world. It's like, these guys, are 834 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,039 they know something we don't, right, I need to go 835 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,880 to I need to go over there, and you have 836 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,199 these guys do my lottery numbers or something like that. 837 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,239 But uh, I. 838 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 2: Have one more question and then and then we're going 839 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,599 to take a break because you probably have a better 840 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,360 sense of this than I do. But are players wearing 841 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,280 spikes anymore? 842 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Well, so, so let me give you the let me 843 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,320 give you the good answer here. I have a really 844 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,920 great relationship with Soft Spikes and they do their R 845 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,119 and D out of our performance center. So no spikes. 846 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,360 Soft Spikes company by Pride Sports is the only way 847 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,239 to go. Would that being said, Yeah, there's some people 848 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,239 that still wear nails. Reasons why we probably don't need 849 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,400 to know. You don't need spikes anymore. I mean, yeah, 850 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960 you have to have spikes to to hold your foot, 851 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,360 your balance, probably swing it too hard. Tip. 852 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,599 Speaker 2: That's that's an excellent point. I was blown away seeing 853 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,559 Kegan Bradley wearing high top Air Jordan's. 854 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,679 Speaker 1: Those are hideous. Those are awful. Those are were there, spike? 855 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 2: Where were there the you know, there's some sort of grip? 856 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,760 Those were regular basketball shoes, were they? 857 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,159 Speaker 1: That's that? Now it's that Air Jordan golf shoes. And 858 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719 he I guess he's going to release it or yeah, 859 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,440 and and and Kegan's wearing those are brutal. 860 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 2: I was like blown him, like I kept rewinding going, 861 00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,559 oh my god, they really are Air Jordan high tops. 862 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts. That's his buddy. So he's making a 863 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,519 shoe for him, you know. And yeah, yeah, yeah it 864 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:42,639 but uh, I don't know. 865 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,119 Speaker 2: You're going to provide us with a little tip perfect. 866 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,639 Speaker 1: This tip is called follow the handle. A lot's been 867 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:51,199 said about short game lately, with Tiger's troubles and making 868 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,559 good contact and hitting thin shots and heavy shots around 869 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,039 the green. It's all can be handled in set up 870 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,519 and knowing where you're center of grab is. If you 871 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,800 know that your center of gravity is underneath your chin, 872 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,880 your hands are going to fall back underneath your chin 873 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,519 at impact. What happens is people try and hit golf 874 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,119 shots low and they get their hands forward. We've all 875 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,079 seen that guy before. And then when you come back 876 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,519 and if you try to hit a golf shot and 877 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:19,239 keep your hands forward at impact, you would bottom out 878 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,280 back here and lift the ball. And a lot of 879 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,239 players do that. They chunk it or they get they 880 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,800 hit the ball thin, so they're trying to hit it low. 881 00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,519 If they come back and their hands fall underneath their chin, 882 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,280 the ball goes high and they go walls trying to 883 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800 hit that low. So I always say follow the handle. 884 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:34,559 If I want to hit a golf shot low and 885 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:36,519 hit three shots for us, I'm going to hit a 886 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:40,320 low chip shot, a medium chip shot, medium trajectory, and 887 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,199 a higher pitch shot. And all I'm going to do 888 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,199 is follow the handle. So when I say that is 889 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,639 I'm going to make sure that my hands in the 890 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,800 handle fall underneath my chin. If I want to have 891 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,079 this club de loof did, I'm going to follow the handle. 892 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,360 So now the handle's underneath my chin again, so I 893 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,360 make contact, the ball will go low, we'll hit it 894 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,159 nice and crit and we still make contact with our 895 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,079 hands being consistently under our handle, which is underneath our 896 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,360 chin or center of gravity. If I want to hit 897 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,920 it medium, I set up here again. The shaft is 898 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,159 still leaning, but not as much. The handles underneath our chin, 899 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,599 and we make a regular chip shot. We'll all go 900 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,599 just a little bit higher. If we want to hit 901 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,719 the ball a little higher, what we do is we 902 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,679 start to turn. So if I want to add some 903 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,840 more law to it, I lean the shaft back. I 904 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,599 turn so now the club is right underneath my center 905 00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,920 of gravity. Again, I'm a little more open to my target. 906 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,679 Make the same swing, and we hit a nice high, 907 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,679 softer shot. So the main thing is making sure that 908 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,880 wherever golf shot we want to have. If we want 909 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,400 to hit it low, we're going to have the club 910 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,639 leaning toward our target, but we're going to follow the 911 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,639 handle here. If it's medium, we're going to be right here, 912 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,360 and if it's back, we're going to have the handle 913 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,119 onneath our center of gravity. It's going to help you 914 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:51,800 with contact