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Speaker 1: Thanks hit the mall?
Speaker 2: Is it James Dean or Jason Priest though? Hello, Alicia Silverstone?
Speaker 1: Wait, existential Clueless?
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Rated?
Speaker 2: PG?
Speaker 1: Thirteen.
Speaker 2: Wow, Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name
Speaker 2: is Zachie Assign I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going, Zachie? As if we get two
Speaker 1: baldwins coming at you live Hopefully we're not Monaise, but
Speaker 1: that's up to you, the listeners who are not looking
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: So you're here to talk about clueless. And the timing
Speaker 2: could not be more appropriate because it did just celebrate
Speaker 2: it's thirtieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about thirty years and in
Speaker 1: my mind, because I remember seeing this and I've rewatched
Speaker 1: it throughout the years, I'm like, well, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's thirty sounds like a lot, but it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like a lot. But in nineteen ninety five, when this
Speaker 1: came out, thirty years previous to that, the Beatles were
Speaker 1: still together and man had not yet walked on the Moon.
Speaker 2: See my thought watching I was like, I was like,
Speaker 2: it is now a back to the future amount of time. Yes,
Speaker 2: Clueless came out right, that was my thought.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting so to try to picture a teenager
Speaker 1: like one of your your your boys, going back into
Speaker 1: the era of clueless, and what would that feel like
Speaker 1: for them? Because they have cell phones in this movie
Speaker 1: they do, you know, So I don't know's that's always
Speaker 1: sort of an interesting idea, right because things are so
Speaker 1: drastically different from eighty five to fifty five. But are
Speaker 1: they drastically different from now to nineteen ninety five in
Speaker 1: some ways?
Speaker 2: I think, I think substantially, so I would I would
Speaker 2: say things are drastic from nineteen ninety five to two
Speaker 2: thousand and five. I mean it's it's when you when
Speaker 2: you think about it, like the so much, so much
Speaker 2: of the social construct in this film feels like a
Speaker 2: different planet, forget a different era.
Speaker 1: You know now that you say it because I don't
Speaker 1: have kids, Yeah, but like I think what I'm not
Speaker 1: recognizing is just the different ways that they socialize because
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like, oh, yeah, I mean this is
Speaker 1: how I remember it, and I'm sure kids still like
Speaker 1: you know, just like hang out together and in the
Speaker 1: same room.
Speaker 2: And I think the only thing that is the same
Speaker 2: is Paul Rudd's boyish good looks.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. That is very true.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that is that is applicable no
Speaker 2: matter when we have this conversation, it's.
Speaker 1: Something we can and we see where shares coming from.
Speaker 1: At the end, we're all a little in love with
Speaker 1: Paul Rud.
Speaker 2: We're all like, okay with your brother share uh so hey,
Speaker 2: And and the timing is also perfectly apropos because because
Speaker 2: as we record this, the school year is kicking into gear.
Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking about we're thinking about all all
Speaker 2: the social climber things that one does when when one
Speaker 2: is a you know, a junior in high school, or
Speaker 2: how our old share is right right, So we're gonna
Speaker 2: watch Clueless from nineteen ninety five. If you want to
Speaker 2: watch along with us, you can certainly do that. If not,
Speaker 2: we'll try to keep the conversation, uh you knows, as
Speaker 2: engaging as we can. Hopefully that's the perfect example, this
Speaker 2: little preview of the sparkling repartee. You're about to get
Speaker 2: huh uh so I'm cute up what about you, Brian,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to rock, all right, So we'll do the
Speaker 2: usual thing. We'll hit play on three. You meaning one,
Speaker 2: two three play. Here we go, Brian, ready, one two
Speaker 2: three play.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, we were talking a little bit
Speaker 1: about this off air. But tell me about your relationship
Speaker 1: to this movie. I mean, when was the last time
Speaker 1: you saw it? Did you see it in the nineties?
Speaker 1: Is it something you saw later?
Speaker 2: I did see it in the nineties. I did not
Speaker 2: see it during its initial run. I rented it from
Speaker 2: the Hollywood Video on Army Trail Road.
Speaker 1: Were you a Hollywood video guy? I was Blockbuster guy.
Speaker 2: I was a Hollywood video guy, which actually doesn't make
Speaker 2: even a lick of sense because the Hollywood video near
Speaker 2: me was substantially further away than the Blockbuster.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I do remember that, like you'd be at
Speaker 1: a sleepover, because we were typically we actually had a
Speaker 1: mom and pop place. We went to President Video mostly,
Speaker 1: but sometimes if it was something was out, we'd go
Speaker 1: to a Blockbuster. But if I was at a sleepover
Speaker 1: and I saw the Hollywood video boxes, it was sort
Speaker 1: of like ooh, like exotic.
Speaker 2: But this movie definitely put Alicia Silverstone into the Zeitgeist,
Speaker 2: even though I mean she had been kicking around. She
Speaker 2: was in the crush.
Speaker 1: Well, ye, I was gonna ask if you, like we're
Speaker 1: familiar with her from the Aerosmith videos, because I think
Speaker 1: that's where she first really burst onto the scene where
Speaker 1: everyone was like, who is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was not because I didn't have MTV.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I didn't either. Actually, and I remember seeing
Speaker 1: her or those videos rather at my friend's house. I
Speaker 1: remember that was like because I you know, I missed
Speaker 1: out on Beavis and butt Heead and Rin Stimpy and
Speaker 1: all those things. That was like, again speaking of exotic,
Speaker 1: I would be like at a friend's house and then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, this is that Beavis and butt Heead.
Speaker 1: You get to finally see this? But yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: She was in three Aerosmith videos. Uh, the only one
Speaker 1: I see, what are they crying? Was one of them?
Speaker 1: Amazing something else? But the only thing I remember. Oh
Speaker 1: and Liv Tyler also Aerosmith's or Aerosmith you know, mister
Speaker 1: Aerosmith did Payback run Away. No, Stephen Tyler's daughter lived Tyler.
Speaker 1: It was the two of them in one of the videos.
Speaker 1: And I remember Alicia Silverstone like looking like she was
Speaker 1: going to jump off an overpass right and a guy
Speaker 1: was like no, And then you see she has a
Speaker 1: bungee cord and she's like flipping them off. Like I
Speaker 1: mean that was just as a whatever. I was fifteen
Speaker 1: year old, and you know, I was like instantly smitten
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is adorable in this movie. She like that's
Speaker 2: revisiting this for the first time since the nineties. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten how good she is in this.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things because I was looking
Speaker 1: it up and people that they were looking into for
Speaker 1: the role of share Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 2: I can totally see that, totally get it.
Speaker 1: I totally get Carrie Russell, Tiffany Theeson, but can't see
Speaker 1: that not as much. But like Alicia Silverstone, this is
Speaker 1: one of those roles where you're like, oh, this was
Speaker 1: she was like or for this, Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 1: she's it's not just that she looks pretty and like
Speaker 1: she fits in in Beverly Hills and can be kind
Speaker 1: of funny and snaperr gum. I mean sher is like
Speaker 1: a really interesting character. Like that's the thing when you
Speaker 1: watch this when you're fifteen it's one thing, and watching
Speaker 1: it as an adult, I have like a whole added
Speaker 1: appreciation for this movie and it's writing, which we'll get into,
Speaker 1: but like sher is really interesting, Like she's sweet but
Speaker 1: also calculating, you know, and she's she's clueless, but she's
Speaker 1: also kind of wise in her own sort of way.
Speaker 1: Like she's a really dynamic character, and Alicia Silverstone brings
Speaker 1: all of those things I feel like to this character,
Speaker 1: so she doesn't just feel like a quirky blonde.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a dumb blonde, you know.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: I feel like this movie, you know, to some extent
Speaker 2: gets lumped in like, oh, it's another dumb blonde, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, not really. And honestly, what I was sort
Speaker 2: of hardened by watching it again is like just how
Speaker 2: kind she is.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, she's nice to everybody in her life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're watching her dismiss this boy that just
Speaker 1: like skits in front of her, but to be fair,
Speaker 1: they're being rude and Donald Faison, it's.
Speaker 2: Weird not having Zach Braff at his side exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like to imagine he was just behind camera,
Speaker 1: you know, rooting his friend on. It's funny. I was
Speaker 1: gonna go down two different directions, but we have to
Speaker 1: talk about this moment that the Hadeans she called instead
Speaker 1: of the Haitians. Apparently that was something that Silverstone actually said,
Speaker 1: and Amy Heckerling immediately told everybody, don't correct her, just
Speaker 1: let her go with it because it's it's so perfect.
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought there was something interesting filmmaking
Speaker 1: wise about this. As she's talking, you keep seeing these
Speaker 1: shots of the kids. It keeps cutting away to students
Speaker 1: sort of distracted, and you know, you get a little
Speaker 1: joke with a couple of nose jobs and bandages on
Speaker 1: faces and stuff. But I read that her speech here
Speaker 1: was much longer interesting, and apparently you can see that
Speaker 1: speech in the trailer. I think they show most of
Speaker 1: it the original version.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, But what I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking about was they whittled it down to its perfect essence.
Speaker 1: It's not longer than it needs to be, and it's
Speaker 1: really hilarious and kind of insightful, you know, and perfectly
Speaker 1: in character for her and her point of view and
Speaker 1: her experience.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But I was this is very random, but I was
Speaker 1: at my parents place recently and I was just looking
Speaker 1: through a closet with old DVDs and stuff, and Pretty
Speaker 1: Woman was in there because I used to work at
Speaker 1: New Regency and they gave us all their movies, and
Speaker 1: I saw it had a commentary by Gary Marshall, and
Speaker 1: I've been like missing commentaries lately, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I would love to listen to Gary Marshall talk through
Speaker 1: his movie, you know, a perfect romantic comedy. And one
Speaker 1: of the things he said on there was he kept
Speaker 1: pointing out when you do insert shots, and he goes,
Speaker 1: it's really important to do insert shots because you want
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're always including the best performances
Speaker 1: from your actors, and that could come from take one,
Speaker 1: that could come from take four, that could take seven.
Speaker 1: So always be armed with insert shots so you can
Speaker 1: piece it together perfectly. And so I had that in
Speaker 1: my mind as I was rewatching this and noticing that, yeah,
Speaker 1: they whittled her speech down to its perfect essence, but
Speaker 1: if they hadn't shot the coverage, if they didn't have
Speaker 1: those shots of the students, they would have been locked
Speaker 1: in to her longer version that wasn't as funny. And
Speaker 1: so I kept noticing how many times they cut away
Speaker 1: so her speech could be perfect. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought that was some yeah smart, Yeah, this is hilarious.
Speaker 1: By the way, Breckenmeier getting his so he's got to
Speaker 1: jump out the window when he sees his great I mean,
Speaker 1: speaking of positivity, I mean, while as Sean for a
Speaker 1: goofy as his students are, he's very like encouraging, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, like I love the positivity.
Speaker 1: Instead of like rolling his eyes at the silly things
Speaker 1: they say, He's like, well that's not really on topic,
Speaker 1: but good insight.
Speaker 2: You know, at no point does he say inconceivable exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of cell phones, I mean, this was kind
Speaker 1: of a gag right in five where it's like these
Speaker 1: two kids are on cell phones and they're like right
Speaker 1: next to each other. What's the deal?
Speaker 2: This was during the pager era for us plebes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh, and you know, I oh man, this
Speaker 1: is coming fast and furious now. But I I wanted
Speaker 1: to call out. I watched this movie. I've seen it
Speaker 1: many times throughout the years. I really love this movie.
Speaker 1: But I saw it recently at an outdoor screening out
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles. You know, so your your attention
Speaker 1: is completely zeroed in on it. It's not just you're
Speaker 1: watching the back half on cable or something. And it
Speaker 1: really stood out to me. What a amazingly funny script
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, this is.
Speaker 1: A really tightly well written comedy. There's just so many gags,
Speaker 1: and there's they're all in character. And the gag that
Speaker 1: made me think it here is when she's talking about
Speaker 1: her house and she's talking about how it's like historical
Speaker 1: or whatever, and she's like, yeah, these columns date all
Speaker 1: the way back to nineteen seventy two. It's just these
Speaker 1: little things. I mean, it's just really funny, tight writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's something I don't think I appreciated until.
Speaker 2: I got I think, if I'm not mistaken, this is
Speaker 2: this is the first in the wave of these teeny
Speaker 2: bopper rom coms that were, you know, reinterpretations of old
Speaker 2: timey works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it became a genre unto itself, right, right, this
Speaker 1: is This is inspired by Emma Yes, and then Ten
Speaker 1: Things I Hate About You eventually exactly right, And there's more.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't she all she's all that like uh Pygmalion, right, yeah, Pigmalion.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, So Dan.
Speaker 2: Hidea or as I like to call him live action
Speaker 2: most is lack.
Speaker 1: Brilliant. Yeah, he's great. I mean, yeah, I heard that
Speaker 1: Heckerling just knew what she wanted this character to be.
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of like this bulldog, scary person,
Speaker 1: but like Share wasn't afraid of him and actually took
Speaker 1: care of him. And they were looking at a few
Speaker 1: people and one of them was Harvey Kaititel, but he's
Speaker 1: too expensive here. Oh, she really had a type that
Speaker 1: she's for this dad.
Speaker 2: But honestly, that was like, I really liked how respectful
Speaker 2: she is of her dad.
Speaker 1: That's true, and he really respects her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, He's got this bluster and sort of like I say,
Speaker 1: bulldog sort of nature, but he he admires her, you know,
Speaker 1: and and her her pluck and her intelligence and and
Speaker 1: and rut. There's a really sweet line he says when
Speaker 1: he said that Rudd is going to be staying with them,
Speaker 1: and she's like, ugh, you know, and he's like, look,
Speaker 1: you know, we divorce wives, not children.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was surprisingly sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and Jerry Orbach I think was one of the
Speaker 1: first people they had in mind, which I can kind.
Speaker 2: Of see, I can totally see that yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he kind of did that already, but he did
Speaker 2: it in Dirty Dancing already.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what, that's probably where she had it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right there. The teacher. That's Twin Kaplan, who was a
Speaker 1: sort of a producing partner often with Heckerling, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh and Paul Rudd speaking of getting older and revisiting this.
Speaker 1: When I was fifteen, I did not understand his character.
Speaker 1: I didn't get that he was an emo college guy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like he's introduced playing
Speaker 1: you know, Radiohead, and he's wearing an Amnesty International shirt
Speaker 1: and he's talking about Marky Mark, you know, being a
Speaker 1: philanthropist for being at a tree dedication. I just all
Speaker 1: all over my head because I don't know that I
Speaker 1: knew a person like that at fifteen, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And so now it's kind of funny that characterization.
Speaker 2: Now now you can look back at that and be like,
Speaker 2: get over yourself, yeah right right.
Speaker 1: Or there's that scene later where he's, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: the black turtleneck and he's got the goatee and he's
Speaker 1: reading Nietzsche, you know, mita. Yeah, So it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting too. I mean the the story of this
Speaker 1: movie coming together. It originated so Amy. Well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Amy Heckerling really quick. I mean, she did Fast
Speaker 1: Times at Ridgemont High, which remains like an all time
Speaker 1: classic teen.
Speaker 2: It's it's a definitive high school movie of the eighties. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say comedy, but it's really more of
Speaker 1: a dramedy. But but then she went on to do
Speaker 1: National Lampoon's European Vacation, which I don't know, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people know that or even that's am
Speaker 1: I wrong? Is that a little bit of a forgot
Speaker 1: in vacation film?
Speaker 2: I think it is. Yeah, people remember vacation on Christmas vacation.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And it's for her that was just like
Speaker 1: a job, and that one does feel a little off,
Speaker 1: you know, next to the other one of the vacation films.
Speaker 1: But and I think it wasn't written by John Hughes
Speaker 1: whereas the other two were. But anyway, so I guess Fox,
Speaker 1: I want to say, was looking for a teen show
Speaker 1: and they wanted to be about teenagers but not nerds,
Speaker 1: this is what they said. So they came to Amy
Speaker 1: Heckerling to develop something. This is in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: and so like her you know, nugget of an idea was,
Speaker 1: you know, the most successful character she had ever done
Speaker 1: so far was Jeff Spaccolian Fast Times, and her quote is,
Speaker 1: people think that's, you know, he's popular because he was
Speaker 1: stoned in a surfer, But that's not it. It's because
Speaker 1: he's positive. So I thought, I'm gonna write a character
Speaker 1: who's positive and happy, and so that's where she came
Speaker 1: up with Share. And it's funny because Share couldn't be
Speaker 1: more the opposite of Heckerling. Like have you seen what
Speaker 1: she looks like?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like she she's admittedly, she's like a very New York
Speaker 1: kind of cynical person. She you know, has dark black hair,
Speaker 1: you know, wears dark clothing and stuff. So it's just
Speaker 1: funny that she kind of loves these positive characters, almost
Speaker 1: like they're aspirational to her, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so anyways, she remembered reading the Jane Austin novel
Speaker 1: Emma in college, thought that was a very positive character,
Speaker 1: and kind of ran with that and came up with
Speaker 1: this sitcom. And I think the sitcom was called No Worries, Okay,
Speaker 1: And which is kind of interesting right, because if you
Speaker 1: look at this film and its structure, it is kind oftic, yeah,
Speaker 1: like kind of like helping out, you know, try to
Speaker 1: put the connect, create a love connection with the teachers.
Speaker 1: And then there's sort of the Pismo Beach disaster which
Speaker 1: is made up you know at the end, like just
Speaker 1: all these little episodic things. Oh and then of course
Speaker 1: how she attaches herself to Tye later and so well,
Speaker 1: so then she presented the sitcom and Fox was like,
Speaker 1: this is too there's too many like female lead characters.
Speaker 1: They wanted something that felt a little there's not a
Speaker 1: boys in it or something. And so anyway, she was
Speaker 1: going to put it aside, but her agents and encouraged
Speaker 1: her like, well, I don't turn into a film. This
Speaker 1: feels like it's got some elements that are working. So
Speaker 1: she turned it into a movie. Scott Ruden somehow read it.
Speaker 1: Bitting war ensues and then Fox doesn't even get to
Speaker 1: make the movie, you know, Paramount gets it, and then
Speaker 1: it becomes this this classic that's lived on thirty years
Speaker 1: and going.
Speaker 2: And then it becomes a sitcom and Fox doesn't get
Speaker 2: that either.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, So yeah, it's it's interesting because this movie.
Speaker 1: I think you could call it a sleeper hit. But
Speaker 1: it only made about just under sixty million in the
Speaker 1: US eighty eight million worldwide. But obviously it's never gone away.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone remembers it, remembers things about it whatever,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What of us, I mean against a twelve million dollar budget,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a massive hit.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's it's kind of it. But anyway, so yes,
Speaker 1: they wanted them to capitalize on that. It's it's whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, popularity called status. And so
Speaker 1: then they did a syndicated sitcom, right all.
Speaker 2: Right, it was well, it was it was part of
Speaker 2: ABC's TGIF initially, Oh was it really?
Speaker 1: Because I only remember being on Channel fifty.
Speaker 2: That might well, well it it was on TGIF, and
Speaker 2: then it was on Channel fifty because because UPN picked
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, I see, yeah, which is its So
Speaker 1: they didn't get Silverstone back, but they did get a
Speaker 1: few of the I mean almost everybody, yeah, almost everybody else, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I because because Stacy Dash, Elisa Donovan Wallace, Shawn trnk Kaplan,
Speaker 1: Dan Hillwiya. I mean they I think Paul Rudd and
Speaker 1: Alicia Silverstone are the only ones wh weren't in it interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, it's funny for having the structure that
Speaker 1: it has. Though it totally works. It's very watchable, like
Speaker 1: it really moves. Yeah, you know, I was actually watching,
Speaker 1: as we do with these older films. I looked at
Speaker 1: the Cisco Neebit review and that's basically what they said.
Speaker 1: They said when it began and it was sort of
Speaker 1: doing that parody of what you think the movie's going
Speaker 1: to be, where it's showing these teenagers and these like
Speaker 1: wild MTV camera movements, and they were like, I think
Speaker 1: Eber said his heart sank, like oh no. But then
Speaker 1: she made a joke about like I bet you're thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, my life looks like a Noxema commercial and
Speaker 1: he's like huh, and then they were both in love
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember they really championed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then saying that, yeah, it just it
Speaker 1: gets going and never stops, and I feel like it
Speaker 1: really does.
Speaker 2: Think I think with Alicia Silverstone, I mean, this movie
Speaker 2: elevated her to a whole different plateau and then and
Speaker 2: then she parlayed that into Batman and Robin and then
Speaker 2: she pretty much decelerated from there.
Speaker 1: Is that such a bummer. I mean I really probably
Speaker 1: covered that on our Batman and Robin commentary, But I
Speaker 1: mean it feels like the natural evolution, right, Like you
Speaker 1: are this big star, so then you be in a
Speaker 1: superhero movie.
Speaker 2: Hey see, the more things change, the more they stay
Speaker 2: the same, I know, right.
Speaker 1: But I mean obviously that movie George Clooney to this day,
Speaker 1: you know, apologizes for it. So obviously nobody came away
Speaker 1: from that movie looking good. But she, I think had
Speaker 1: an especially difficult time on it. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: scrutiny just with her her body, yeah, and all sorts
Speaker 1: of things just in the not that we've you know,
Speaker 1: I think people are still cruel, but it was easier
Speaker 1: to be more openly cruel I think in that era. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really shameful to look back on, but it makes
Speaker 1: me sad. I mean, she's she's so talented, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's continued to pop up, but not in
Speaker 1: the way that she did in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so she she headlined a movie the Coast
Speaker 2: rank Beniso del Toro, right, I think it was ninety
Speaker 2: seven or ninety eight. Yep, I forget what it was
Speaker 2: called Excess baggage or something like that. M hmm, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to look that up. But but that that
Speaker 2: one died h and then and then basically, I mean
Speaker 2: she she had a she had a show on NBC
Speaker 2: a couple of years later called called Mismatch. And then
Speaker 2: I think recently she was like the mom in one
Speaker 2: of the Diary of a WHIMPI kid movies.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, and she's in the Yorgo's Lanthemos
Speaker 1: movie that's coming out.
Speaker 2: I can't Oh, okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Uh is it called Bogonia or something like that. This
Speaker 1: is gonna sound silly a couple of years from now
Speaker 1: when everyone everyone's seen Bogonia Excess Baggage. I was right, wow,
Speaker 1: good memory.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and she was in Blast from the Past
Speaker 2: with with Brendan Fraser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I've never seen but seems like it would
Speaker 1: be cute.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah? That cute that's the word. It's it's charming.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to change your life.
Speaker 1: But yeah, now you Cisto here, you must have some
Speaker 1: sort of fondness for him. He's a law and order guy, right,
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: He played Detective Cyrus Lupo in the in the last
Speaker 2: three seasons of the original run of Lawn Order. I
Speaker 2: mean it came back right, one of my favorite Lawn
Speaker 2: Order detectives. He was great, although in this movie, tell
Speaker 2: me he is not the spitting image of Garrett Hedlund. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like they came off an assembly line, like a
Speaker 2: T eight hundred assembly line.
Speaker 1: That's so funny, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is remarkable to look at the young stars
Speaker 2: of this movie and realize, like almost to the one,
Speaker 2: everyone went on to have a career beyond this movie.
Speaker 2: M hm, right, I mean Donald obviously, Breckenmeier, you know,
Speaker 2: the sisto. You know who's on one of the Chicago
Speaker 2: shows now or he's on FBI one of them Dick
Speaker 2: Wolf things. Anyway, doing Okay, Stacy dash is like a
Speaker 2: right wing lunatic on Fox News. So she's found her niche.
Speaker 1: She kind of yeah, posts posts wild sort of thing,
Speaker 1: conspiracy sort of things.
Speaker 2: A couple of years after this, she did a Playboy spread.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting. Well, you know what's interesting too, is I
Speaker 1: think Silverstone may actually be fifteen or sixteen or something
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said she was. I think she said she
Speaker 2: was eighteen when she made.
Speaker 1: This okay, but Stacy Dash was twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Well black, don't crack she I mean.
Speaker 1: She looks incredible in this, but yeah, she fits right in,
Speaker 1: I mean standing next to all these supposed teenagers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It reminds me of you know, on Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: You know, Sean had that girlfriend who was African American.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, and she was substantially older than the rest
Speaker 2: of the cast.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting and.
Speaker 2: Kind of the same drill.
Speaker 1: You know, that would be kind of you know, and
Speaker 1: then the reverse right where you have a screech on
Speaker 1: saved by the bell, where he was substantially well younger.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't know it substantially, but
Speaker 1: in teenage years he.
Speaker 2: Was younger thaneers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that made him feel a little ostracized. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this classic scene here, this is so funny talking about
Speaker 1: how oppressive gym classes is. All the balls are just
Speaker 1: popping behind it.
Speaker 2: I relate. Jim. Class was the hell scape of my
Speaker 2: high school years.
Speaker 1: You know why though, because you had to like run
Speaker 1: a freaking mile. Yeah, and then like put your winter
Speaker 1: clothes back on, and you know, December or whatever, Jean's
Speaker 1: in a sweater and then suddenly you're in Spanish class,
Speaker 1: you know, and so you're like, like, this is disgusting.
Speaker 2: See. I think for me, Jim class was, you know,
Speaker 2: because the rest of the day I could sort of
Speaker 2: get by on on my banter and my sparkling personality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you for humoring me there.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jim class is where, you know, it was
Speaker 2: just laid bare that I was just in absolute shambles
Speaker 2: of a man and beyond hope, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, there would be certain things where it was
Speaker 1: like okay, like we can all do this right, But
Speaker 1: then there'd be other I'm trying I don't even remember,
Speaker 1: like kickball or something. It's like all right, well you
Speaker 1: can just kind of hang out in the outfield and
Speaker 1: the ball is probably not going to come to you,
Speaker 1: and then forty mental pass and I'll be in Spanish.
Speaker 1: But yeah, then there'd be other things where it was
Speaker 1: like all attention was on you and your ability, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be really intimidating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no pressure quite like the pressure of the
Speaker 2: clock is ticking. You're playing field of football and and
Speaker 2: you're the only one that's open, so they throw that
Speaker 2: ball to you right right, You know and you don't
Speaker 2: live that shit down, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, by the way, the gym teacher is played by
Speaker 1: Julie Brown who.
Speaker 2: MTVVJ Julie Brown.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was gonna say, I am aware of
Speaker 1: who she is, but I feel like I'm of an
Speaker 1: age or generation where I don't really did I had
Speaker 1: no well maybe I had. The no cable thing had
Speaker 1: part to do with it, but I don't really know
Speaker 1: who she is. I just know she is. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't know, did you. I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize that was her. And then also I didn't
Speaker 1: realize she acted. I just remembered her being an MTV person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just know the name from from the MTV stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, so I read this thing that
Speaker 1: was kind of funny about Faison. So there's that scene
Speaker 1: later where he's shaving his head, which is kind of
Speaker 1: funny because it brings about an argument with him and
Speaker 1: his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: But and he was like balding in real life, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So well I read that and then I thought, wait, so,
Speaker 1: I mean they do in the earlier scenes. I never
Speaker 1: paid attention, but now that I'm watching it, every scene
Speaker 1: he's wearing a hat until he shaves his head.
Speaker 2: How funny.
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? That's funny.
Speaker 2: He's so Julie Brown in this he's so perfect so
Speaker 2: well he plays the Donald Faison character.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's just so funny and lovable.
Speaker 2: He is he is, He's turk. I mean, yes, it's that.
Speaker 2: And he realized that's just him, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: right right right. So Julie Brown, she was on a
Speaker 2: show I didn't I didn't make the connection until just
Speaker 2: now called The Edge, which was a sketch comedy show
Speaker 2: on Fox. It aired from from like summer to it
Speaker 2: was like that season ninety two to ninety three. And
Speaker 2: that show I remember that was the first time I
Speaker 2: saw Wayne Knight. Oh, he was part of the ensemble.
Speaker 2: The first time I saw Jennifer Aniston, she was part
Speaker 2: of that ensemble.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that's the first time I saw Julie Brown.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Funny, But I didn't, I didn't make that connection.
Speaker 1: Well, in speaking of Breakout Cast, I mean, we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about Britney Murphy yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had a little bit of a Mandela
Speaker 2: effect where my memory of the poster of the film,
Speaker 2: which if you remember the poster, you've got a Lisa
Speaker 2: Silverstone in the middle, kind of looking clueless on her phone.
Speaker 2: And my memory was Stacy dashes to one side and
Speaker 2: at least a Donovan is to the other.
Speaker 1: Mmmm.
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize until I looked at it. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's Britney Murphy on the poster, right, right.
Speaker 1: She looks very different.
Speaker 2: She does well, I mean.
Speaker 1: She just looks different from pretty much anything else we've
Speaker 1: seen her in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And obviously it's hard to watch this and
Speaker 2: not take the tragedy of her life into like sort
Speaker 2: of imprint that on our viewing of this. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: know it makes it just it's funny because it's like
Speaker 2: you want to just sort of celebrate her, but yeah,
Speaker 2: just sort.
Speaker 1: Of saying her name just like a wave of sadness.
Speaker 2: What I like about the relationships here is that you
Speaker 2: can see the cruel version of of share and and
Speaker 2: and you know Deane being like, oh, like, let's make
Speaker 2: her a little project. But they don't do that. They
Speaker 2: actually befriend her, yeah, genuinely. And and again this just
Speaker 2: goes to like it had been long enough since I
Speaker 2: saw this that I had forgotten that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That No, it's like they're they're they actually form a
Speaker 2: relationship with each other, and they're not being They're not like,
Speaker 2: oh look at her. Why you know, she's our little
Speaker 2: you know, science project. You know, it's no let's you know, uh,
Speaker 2: let's take her in. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of like the other like can't buy me
Speaker 1: love or she's all that. Like a lot of those
Speaker 1: things come from a place of there's some sort of
Speaker 1: cruelty and cruelty right, and yeah, this movie is just
Speaker 1: entirely optimistic, you know everyone. Well, and it's funny because
Speaker 1: going back to the episodic thing, I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: the first episode sharing her friend try to create a
Speaker 1: love connection with their teachers, and then this is the hey,
Speaker 1: this new girl comes to school, it doesn't quite fit in,
Speaker 1: and so she decides to help her, you know, fit
Speaker 1: into the culture there. Like you know, like it's these episodes,
Speaker 1: but they find a really good way of linking it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it does sort of reveal that like this must
Speaker 1: have been a couple episodes she had in mind. Even
Speaker 1: though they do flow, she doesn't make it flow. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and I think that I don't I we
Speaker 2: can't underestimate the impact of it being Amy Heckerley and
Speaker 2: of it being a woman absolutely, you know, imbuing these
Speaker 2: characters with life, you know, because you can see you
Speaker 2: can see that she's all that.
Speaker 1: Version yep, in a movie that kind of objectifies Share, right,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, you know, look at mean Girls,
Speaker 1: well mean girls, Tina Fe obviously wrote the thing, but
Speaker 1: you know you can see Share and and Dione being
Speaker 1: the the the plastics, you know, oh totally, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always love this. Just this scene is so cute
Speaker 1: where it's like Paul Rudd's observing Share, trying to be
Speaker 1: like obi wan Kenobe in a way to tie you know,
Speaker 1: and just like teaching her you know, we gotta, we gotta,
Speaker 1: we will. First we work on our bodies, then we
Speaker 1: work on our minds. And she's like so our word
Speaker 1: of word of the day, sporadic, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite lines in the whole movie, is
Speaker 1: when Rudd leaves and you know, like see you later
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then ties like hope, I hope not sporadically,
Speaker 1: like using the word she just learned. It's so funny
Speaker 1: and cute, but she's so perfect too. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is so adorable. He was just watching this Mental's commercial.
Speaker 1: Everyone is so perfectly cast in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me that commercial does and just take you back.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean you think about it like there was
Speaker 1: a whole Foo Fighter's commercial or uh music video based
Speaker 1: on that commercial, right, like, because it was just so
Speaker 1: well known, and it was like, oh, that's a lyrics
Speaker 1: they're doing the thing that I know.
Speaker 2: What was the other?
Speaker 1: Oh Beavis and Butter was speaking of Beaves and Buthead
Speaker 1: they were watching that earlier.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, it's a paramount property.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we see Ran and Stimpy and and Beavis
Speaker 2: and butthead. Both of those are viacom.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, I'm wondering if this is
Speaker 1: gonna you'll resonate with this. But I was looking up
Speaker 1: its box office and I saw that it came in
Speaker 1: second place behind Apollo thirteen, okay, And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so just place it in context of time in movies
Speaker 1: and releases and stuff, which feels like a long time
Speaker 1: ago to me. But looking at this movie, it looks beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it looks like it was shot yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so for being thirty yeyears old in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: five me watching a movie from nineteen sixty five, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I would. If the movie was good, I would
Speaker 1: enjoy it. You know, I liked It's a Wonderful Life
Speaker 1: at that age. But they looked older, and I could
Speaker 1: find myself, Especially seventies films, I always thought they looked
Speaker 1: kind of washed out, yeah, you know, and they're kind
Speaker 1: of brown, you know, yellowish color palettes and stuff. They
Speaker 1: just looked old to me. Yeah, But now it feels
Speaker 1: like as the thirty year gap moves forward, movies the
Speaker 1: way that they're either filmed or the way they've been
Speaker 1: preserved or whatever, they look a little less. They're more ageless, right.
Speaker 2: Well, well, part of that is is the film stocks
Speaker 2: utilized through the sixties into the ear least seventies, they
Speaker 2: just had a you know, we went from Technicolor, which
Speaker 2: was like overly kind of garish, yeah, to you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think it's called Deluxe color, which was
Speaker 2: more washed out, until we kind of landed at this
Speaker 2: platonic ideal. You know, look, tell me that's not Garrett
Speaker 2: Headland's like clone.
Speaker 1: No, totally totally.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's interesting thing. It's a beautiful print.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if it helps these movies live
Speaker 1: on in a way where they're just they they blend.
Speaker 1: Like if if a younger person is just scrolling through Netflix,
Speaker 1: this may as well look, you know, like a film
Speaker 1: that had just been shot five years ago.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, well I'll tell you you know, because
Speaker 2: I started watching it my daughter. She she came down
Speaker 2: and she ended up watching the whole thing with me.
Speaker 2: She liked it. She she was she was down. I
Speaker 2: had to skip past some of the stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, you know, she she was
Speaker 2: on board with it. Yeah, she was like, is that
Speaker 2: ant man?
Speaker 1: Oh really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. I love the Hedea when Ty is
Speaker 1: sitting in his chair, He's just like, get out of
Speaker 1: my chair.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the thing I was. I saw the
Speaker 2: honest trailer for this, and it was like, everybody over
Speaker 2: twenty five realizes that that Dan today is the character
Speaker 2: you most relate to, right.
Speaker 1: It's right, right, But that's not me. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's my chair like that. Yeah, that's the thing that
Speaker 1: I understand as an adult and even when I eat
Speaker 1: over at people's places, I'm like, where do I sit?
Speaker 1: I don't assume any chair is open to me, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I mean like literally, just in the last week,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, my kids, like their cousins were over,
Speaker 2: my kids, cousins, and and it was dinner time, and
Speaker 2: one of them sat where I normally sit, and I
Speaker 2: get my plate. I walk over. As I'm walking over,
Speaker 2: one of my kids is like that that's my das's chair.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, dude, that's hilarious, dude about Okay, So,
Speaker 1: speaking of time capsule, the directions they're using here, she's
Speaker 1: using a Thomas Guide. Oh wow, instead of ways, you know.
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, I'm looking at this image and
Speaker 1: I swear this movie could have come out in twenty five.
Speaker 1: But like, it's hilarious seeing her use a tom which,
Speaker 1: for people who don't know that was I had to
Speaker 1: use this when I was a pa, yeah, because they'd
Speaker 1: be like, all right, you got to deliver this thing
Speaker 1: to god knows where, I don't know where it is.
Speaker 1: So you had this thick book and it was basically
Speaker 1: imagining an enormous map that had been chopped down into pages.
Speaker 1: But it was all out of order. So if you
Speaker 1: were looking at, Okay, I'm on this street and I
Speaker 1: need to get, you know, like twenty blocks north. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously it ended because it was a page in a book,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't just be the next page. It would
Speaker 1: say like it'd have something like N twenty four at
Speaker 1: the top, so then you had to look up like
Speaker 1: section N twenty four to continue that map twenty pages
Speaker 1: somewhere else deep with I'm sure this makes no sense
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but it's just nostalgic and also makes
Speaker 1: me like, thank Heaven that I don't have to use
Speaker 1: one of those things anymore. They were the worst, But
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better. I didn't have ways, you know.
Speaker 1: I was just, I said, visiting my parents and I
Speaker 1: was driving around and my dad was just like, man like,
Speaker 1: how do you You're really good with directions? Like no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I just literally this thing is telling me
Speaker 1: which lane to get into to turn left, like I
Speaker 1: just it seemed makes me seem impressive, but it isn't.
Speaker 2: I like Breckin Meyer. I've always been a fan of his.
Speaker 1: Very likable guy. He introduced the movie when I saw
Speaker 1: it live. Recently, Oh, no kidding, yea, But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: really hung in there, and he's kind of in that
Speaker 1: seth Green crowd, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, isn't he involved? Yeah? Was he one
Speaker 2: of the producers of a robot Chicken?
Speaker 1: I think so in a you know, voice actor writer
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Donald Faison he's another guy on on on robot Chicken.
Speaker 1: Hm. You wonder if they kind of became like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a gang.
Speaker 2: I would not doubt it for a second, because because
Speaker 2: Donald Faison is is Gary the stormtrooper, you know, who
Speaker 2: was to take his daughter with them to work and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. I was reading that this was very difficult,
Speaker 1: this sucking blow thing, Like they just literally could get
Speaker 1: it to work, and so.
Speaker 2: They just had to try again and again.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the actors are like, we just can't get
Speaker 1: it to work. But apparently they had put on like
Speaker 1: a ton of chapstick to make it stick.
Speaker 2: Ah, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: But uh, I wouldn't know. I never played sucking Blow.
Speaker 2: I hope somebody takes that little audio clip of you
Speaker 2: saying that and just uses it out of context somewhere.
Speaker 1: That's funny, Like I just I get these gay like
Speaker 1: spin the Bottle and all these things on TV.
Speaker 2: I was like, I I didn't do did you? Did
Speaker 2: you go to parties?
Speaker 1: Part certainly? Uh, maybe like one or two, but not normally.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like I definitely had like my
Speaker 1: friend groups and like my comfort but like this was
Speaker 1: like a little out outside of my comfort zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't. I don't remember ever. I mean certainly
Speaker 2: not when I was in high school for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I may have attended one or two when
Speaker 2: I was in college. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This reminds me more of like after work parties, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with all the coworkers and we'd end up at someone's
Speaker 1: house and there'd be a bunch of people you didn't know,
Speaker 1: but like you had your little gang, your little troop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, honestly, my recollection is when if I
Speaker 2: ever ended up in a place like this, it was it
Speaker 2: was too obnoxious for me, Like I just I it's
Speaker 2: too noisy, you know, it was not fun, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I probably had a lot
Speaker 1: of anxiety about it, like I am I gonna know
Speaker 1: anybody whatever, And then you always kind of end up
Speaker 1: having not a bad time because you do find someone
Speaker 1: to hang out with somebody, find a corner, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: all I forgot too. It's there's kind of these funny jokes.
Speaker 1: They keep joking about party it's in the valley, which
Speaker 1: makes me laugh now because I live in the valley.
Speaker 1: And then when they go outside, I think later, you know,
Speaker 1: you hear a helicopter overhead, and that's very much life
Speaker 1: in LA there's always a police helicopter in the sky.
Speaker 2: So she lives in Beverly Hills. Yes, So what's what's
Speaker 2: the drive like from Beverly Hills to the valley.
Speaker 1: Well, it kind of depends. I mean, she could take
Speaker 1: some streets cut through, you know, through the hill, but
Speaker 1: I would probably take the four o five to the
Speaker 1: one to one to the one thirty four to wherever
Speaker 1: wherever this is supposed to be to sound like that
Speaker 1: sketch the Californians.
Speaker 2: That's I just wanted to I was just cuing you
Speaker 2: up for that.
Speaker 1: You know, she could have made her way to Sunset
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know Fairfax and so the the.
Speaker 2: The characterization of Elton is interesting to me in this
Speaker 2: where you can you can imagine the the more broad
Speaker 2: strokes version. Yes, and I actually like that they they
Speaker 2: they make they keep him likable.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Even yeah, sorry, even with like where we end up
Speaker 2: with it as character, they don't they don't make him vile.
Speaker 1: They seemed to keep him in a sort of clueless,
Speaker 1: selfish zone rather than a calculated predator.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I mean she he does a lot of unwonted touching
Speaker 1: which she kind of brushes away and stuff which I
Speaker 1: hopefully you know, I mean that's probably was probably still happens,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say it was less talked about
Speaker 1: and people were probably told less that that was like
Speaker 1: bad being I mean where I feel like now it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's more of an open conversation these days.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know about you, but I knew plenty
Speaker 2: of Elton types when I was in high school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and people were more handsy and not in an overtly,
Speaker 2: you know, creepy way. But you know, there is more
Speaker 2: awareness of that, which I think is a good thing.
Speaker 2: But I don't see anything in here that that doesn't
Speaker 2: resonate with what I remember things being like back then.
Speaker 1: Right totally. But yeah, like you said, I mean, no
Speaker 1: one's like super arch in this movie, right, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: that was the joke, by the way, Yes she's her
Speaker 1: dad calls and she's by the pool and that helicopter's
Speaker 1: overhead and she's like, I'm at a party. He's like
Speaker 1: where in kuwait? Yeah, and she's like, no, in the valley.
Speaker 2: I think I think the most villainous person in the
Speaker 2: movie is is that legal aid you know who gets
Speaker 2: into it with them at the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Oh yeah, yeah, I would say, oh,
Speaker 1: here she is. She's talking about sunset and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is the Californians portion of this movie where
Speaker 1: they're arguing over the best directions to get home because
Speaker 1: he wants to go home with Share.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to Share Share exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: This is so sweet though, like she's her cute, like
Speaker 1: her pouty she is that her plan isn't working. So
Speaker 1: this this whole thing coming up here with well, we
Speaker 1: glossed over the whole funny line. I remember my audience
Speaker 1: laughed really hard where he's like, oh I left my
Speaker 1: Cranberry CD out in the quad. She's like very nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five thing to say.
Speaker 2: That's like something you would put in a movie set
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. That's make Now.
Speaker 1: That is a great point because I saw this and
Speaker 1: then last year I saw Empire Records at that outdoor
Speaker 1: screening and my friend and I were commenting, it's funny
Speaker 1: because now you have these Netflix films where they're period
Speaker 1: pieces and they take place in the nineties. But it's
Speaker 1: funny watching these movies that feel like period pieces. But
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this is actually the nineties. You feel
Speaker 1: like this isn't actually even though this movie is a
Speaker 1: little more heightened, you know, I think this movie it
Speaker 1: strikes a really interesting balance, doesn't it. Where they're slightly
Speaker 1: over the top, especially in their fashions, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like they're on another planet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Circus Liquor here, This is whenever I pick up my
Speaker 1: parents when they come into town at Burbank Airport, I
Speaker 1: always passed this Circus Liquor and always right out to
Speaker 1: my mom because she's read Emma and I had her
Speaker 1: watch Clueless and you know, just to make the one
Speaker 1: to ones, and so I was like, hey, look see
Speaker 1: this is where she got robbed.
Speaker 2: See, like, even this sequence, he is being inappropriate, but
Speaker 2: it stops before he gets to inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Right, Sure, sure does that make sense, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he like, he's not. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be very clear. He leaves her, he shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The film doesn't make him irredeemable, is my point, right, right,
Speaker 2: And I think that is important because to do that,
Speaker 2: I think it would get too far outside the realm
Speaker 2: of what the world the movie is creating, right, you know,
Speaker 2: it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'd kind of forgot about this part, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: this does, you know, show a little bit or reveal,
Speaker 1: you know, him thinking that there are classes of people,
Speaker 1: that's right and saying are you? And I makes sense? Ty,
Speaker 1: and I don't make any sense.
Speaker 2: When I like that she stands up for herself. She's like,
Speaker 2: get kiss off, you know, m hm.
Speaker 1: Hmm, and that she doesn't feel that way, which I love.
Speaker 1: She doesn't view Tie as someone in another class she's
Speaker 1: trying to bring into her class.
Speaker 2: It made me mad seeing his car drive away, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, I like watching it, I'm like, fine,
Speaker 2: you pretend you're pulling away, but you stop.
Speaker 1: And he said, this is inexcusable to leave her in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I remember watching this last night. That part
Speaker 2: made me really mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny because I mean even I mean,
Speaker 1: this is horrifying, you know, her literally being at gunpoint,
Speaker 1: but they still managed to kind of make it kind
Speaker 1: of funny. Yeah, in character for her where she's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't lie down in this he's a very important
Speaker 1: designer and he's just like what like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, no matter what happens, and this is
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with what you're saying. Also with the way
Speaker 1: they handle Elton. They never like get out of this
Speaker 1: zone of fun right exactly, Like even when things go bad,
Speaker 1: because they have to. It's a story, right, they still
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like not like she sudden suddenly
Speaker 1: exits into like some sort of gritty movie. Right, We're
Speaker 1: not having at least a little bit of fun anymore.
Speaker 2: So. So you said that the Circus Liquor is still
Speaker 2: it is still open.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've never been there, but I've passed it often.
Speaker 1: Get a glimpse of rud and his sort of crunchy
Speaker 1: college girlfriend. I feel like she's wearing like a beret
Speaker 1: or something. Later. Yeah, but again, like I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't get it as a kid, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: funny reading research about this, I thought this was very funny.
Speaker 1: So basically researching the script, Heckerling sat in on a
Speaker 1: bunch of classes at a Beverly Hills high school, Okay,
Speaker 1: to sort of get a feel for student culture. And
Speaker 1: I was like, how many times did writers in the
Speaker 1: nineties do that? The eighties, because Cameron Crow did the
Speaker 1: same thing to write his book Fast Times at Ridgemont
Speaker 1: High which became the film. And I was like, we're
Speaker 1: kids in Beverly Hills high schools just used to the
Speaker 1: idea of like a thirty five year old just sitting
Speaker 1: in on their class to observe them.
Speaker 2: That's so funny, you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, Like, yeah, you know I went and said this,
Speaker 1: you know, innocuous thing, and then someone opened a notebook
Speaker 1: and just started writing it down for some reason.
Speaker 2: You know, there were probably far less procedural hoops to
Speaker 2: jump through back then too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, you'd probably just roll up me like, hey, I'd
Speaker 2: like to sit in Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, fine, we're making a movie.
Speaker 2: Whereas like nowadays, there's like a gauntlet you have to
Speaker 2: go through, you know, Oh, man, yeah, understandably, but you know,
Speaker 2: it was a different world back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I mean it makes sense that she
Speaker 1: would think that though, too, because I mean that's what
Speaker 1: happens for her first movie, you know, with Crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like all right, and you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense, like you said, there'd be
Speaker 1: more hoops now. But I think that all the time.
Speaker 1: If I were to write a high school you know,
Speaker 1: set comedy these days, I wouldn't even it's just so
Speaker 1: different from the world I grew up in. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have to like, you know, observe or something,
Speaker 1: because it would just it would make no sense to me.
Speaker 2: Well that's really I mean, you know, you say to yourself,
Speaker 2: I'm not old, and then you talk to high schoolers
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh no, I'm decrepit right right right,
Speaker 2: you know, because I went through this all the time,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mean you've seen years and years
Speaker 1: and years of students come through, and it would be
Speaker 1: interesting if there's some way to track that, you know,
Speaker 1: or I'm sure you can in your mind, but just behavior,
Speaker 1: I'm sure certainly cell phone behavior, just all the ways
Speaker 1: that it's just sort of evolved over time, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you've observed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because because you know, I never seriously
Speaker 2: considered teaching K through twelve. You know, for me, when
Speaker 2: I planned again in teaching, I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: want to teach college, you know, And I think part
Speaker 2: of that was at least this perception that when you're teaching,
Speaker 2: it's certainly high school. It's like, as the teacher, you
Speaker 2: almost have to prove yourself to the kids, and I
Speaker 2: think college is just different. Mm.
Speaker 1: Sure, does that make sense totally?
Speaker 2: You know, but yeah, look, I mean I've been teaching
Speaker 2: for twenty years now, and so think about all the
Speaker 2: social and cultural change that's happened in that span.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. You can imagine like the funny
Speaker 1: montage version of it where it's just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: the version I'm picturing in my head because I'm picturing
Speaker 1: older stuff, is like, first it'd be you wearing like
Speaker 1: a headband and a flower power T shirt or something,
Speaker 1: and it's like the nineteen sixties and the seventies is
Speaker 1: like belt bottoms and a wide up, button up shirt.
Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, it'd be kind of funny seeing
Speaker 1: the version of that that happened to you.
Speaker 2: Think about it this way. When I started teaching, Clueless
Speaker 2: was ten years old. Wow, Clueless was recent enough that
Speaker 2: I could make a reference to Clueless and they would
Speaker 2: they would understand.
Speaker 1: It, right, which, by the way, speaking of references, I mean,
Speaker 1: we can't do a commentary and Clueless and not say
Speaker 1: Coolio and Rolling with the Homies at least once. I
Speaker 1: love that that's their song Rolling with the Homies.
Speaker 2: So this right here, uh might be like the one
Speaker 2: time in the movie where it's most obvious that Cher
Speaker 2: is speaking with Amy Heckerling's voice, which part this like, uh,
Speaker 2: boys of my generation don't know how to dress. I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: old lady.
Speaker 1: That is hilarious.
Speaker 2: That is hilarious.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where what's old is new again, right, I mean a
Speaker 1: nineties fashion has kind of come back.
Speaker 2: That all as ship's coming back.
Speaker 1: Really Uh yeah, oh you haven't. Well, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not paying it to now now. I look,
Speaker 2: as soon as this guy walks in, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's as gay as the day is long.
Speaker 1: Isn't it hilarious?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: But that's coming from us as adults. Like when I
Speaker 1: was fifteen, I'm always like what at the Twitter, I
Speaker 1: was just like share. I didn't get it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny too. I don't know if this was intentional
Speaker 1: or not. It feels like it must have been. And
Speaker 1: I read this somewhere. I didn't observe this. But when
Speaker 1: it's pushing in on him at the door, there's a
Speaker 1: news clipping that's posted on the wall that says on
Speaker 1: the road to nowhere as she's looking at him.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it's kind of funny, huh, but I but here
Speaker 2: we go another episode the Fallsburg guy and doesn't understand
Speaker 2: why he's not falling right back.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, keeping with the movie's kindness, she
Speaker 1: isn't like you're gay, what you you know or something.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, then he becomes a friend.
Speaker 2: But what nobody is like that? Which I right, like
Speaker 2: even even you.
Speaker 1: Know Faison's character, Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just like, no, he's like what does he call
Speaker 2: him a cake boy?
Speaker 1: Or yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's something like or maybe I'm
Speaker 1: miss Swingers or something like Dorothy friend of Dorothy or something.
Speaker 2: Friend of dor Right, But he's not like not using
Speaker 2: the F word for gay people and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. And it's not like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's just like, yeah, you didn't.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean that for sure.
Speaker 2: And I think you and I can both both speak
Speaker 2: to this. I mean, there was rampant homophobia in high
Speaker 2: schools in the nineties.
Speaker 1: No, this was like very forward thinking, yes, in this moment,
Speaker 1: for sure. And even you know, I think back on
Speaker 1: that episode of The Simpsons, you know which Jo Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like where I just as far as I was aware of.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows how many gay people had in
Speaker 1: my life, But in that moment in time, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you said, it was like completely normal for people to
Speaker 1: use slurs and things just ingest with their friends, right,
Speaker 1: And so I didn't have a lot of exposure to it,
Speaker 1: and it probably made people like that feel like other
Speaker 1: that's right. But then you had a movie like this,
Speaker 1: which is treating him as just like, oh, well, this
Speaker 1: isn't going to work out between them, but obviously they
Speaker 1: have a chemistry of a sort, so that now they're friends,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, I was saying that
Speaker 1: that Simpson's episode where with John Waters where Homer, you know,
Speaker 1: at first can't see the John Waters character as anything
Speaker 1: other than a person he doesn't understand, you know. But
Speaker 1: then by the end, you know, he's trying. He basically
Speaker 1: as he's like, Okay, I'm gonna accept this person, He's like,
Speaker 1: what should I call you? What's the word you like
Speaker 1: to be called? And he's like, just call me by
Speaker 1: my name? I don't, you know, Like I don't, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm a I'm a friend. You know,
Speaker 1: I can be your friend, which for me I probably
Speaker 1: at that time, was another sort of forward thinking, positive thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, like this is why it's a
Speaker 2: cliche at this point, this is why representation matters m M,
Speaker 2: because oftentimes, you know, these depictions are how we learn
Speaker 2: about other people exactly right. You know, I've I've I've
Speaker 2: lost count of how many times I've said to you
Speaker 2: how much you know a zee meant to me in
Speaker 2: Robin Hood? Yeah yeah, you know, but even even like
Speaker 2: sayid and lost and things like that, you know that
Speaker 2: that meant a lot for me, you know, totally totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the shorthand I always try to use
Speaker 1: when it comes up about people and differences is like
Speaker 1: the end of the day. We're all God's children, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, We're all sharing the planet. We're
Speaker 1: all just you know, just trying to we all got
Speaker 1: to get by exactly. So I just chalk it up
Speaker 1: another point for this movie's uh forward thinking optimism.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and and I think that's another way that
Speaker 2: it has it has remained timeless, you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think I think that helps, right, I mean that
Speaker 2: that's really the trick, right, because because you want to
Speaker 2: pepper in enough cultural references and whatever cultural markers that
Speaker 2: situated in a world that the audience watching it understands,
Speaker 2: But you also have to think a little bit in
Speaker 2: terms of but will will this detract from it when
Speaker 2: those references no longer have currency? And that's tricky, totally right,
Speaker 2: And I think, like, I think this movie works the
Speaker 2: same way that other movie ten years before this, Back
Speaker 2: to the Future, works, where it uses references as a
Speaker 2: way to situate us in the world of the film.
Speaker 2: But even even outside of knowing those references, were still
Speaker 2: able to understand what they mean to the characters.
Speaker 1: Right, totally, It is very funny that they made Christian
Speaker 1: this kind of rat packy kid, you know, Like again,
Speaker 1: I get it now sort of as a type.
Speaker 2: Well, if you remember back then, swing was having like
Speaker 2: a resurgence.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm and they're about to go watch the
Speaker 1: Mighty Money Bostones, you know, like with SKA but still yeah, horns,
Speaker 1: horns and rock and roll.
Speaker 2: But but there was there was like a four year
Speaker 2: window over there where everybody was super into swing.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I guess yeah, right around this moment.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember for me where I lived. I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch swingers and it feels like it was really
Speaker 1: a part of at least socau culture, right. But I
Speaker 1: remember when there was that Gap commercial.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, yeah, and that like.
Speaker 1: Really kicked I feel like that kicked off, kicked it
Speaker 1: off for a lot of people, like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a fun song, you know. And then all these sort
Speaker 1: of modern swing bands were coming out and they were
Speaker 1: played on alternative rock stations.
Speaker 2: Wow, geez right, you used to go swing dancing, dude.
Speaker 1: This is such an embarrassing story, but I know, because
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of rhythm. But I was
Speaker 1: at a wedding once and this girl was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to dance? And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just letting you know, I can't. I can't dance, and
Speaker 1: she's like, anybody can dance, and she pulls me out
Speaker 1: on the floor and she's trying to do all this
Speaker 1: swing stuff, and then at one point she literally said, wow,
Speaker 1: you really can't dance. I was like, I know, and Randy,
Speaker 1: you know, ran away crime, but no, my friend's wedding.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you you broke her her spirit that day.
Speaker 1: One day.
Speaker 2: I used to believe that anybody she lost her faith
Speaker 2: in humanity. Turns out everybody couldn't dance. As she as
Speaker 2: she takes another shot, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly another her tail.
Speaker 2: This is so funny where where Paul Rudd glances over
Speaker 2: and he just sees Christian is like keeps dancing with
Speaker 2: these guys, right, just oblivious is so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm clueless, perfect title. It's a bit, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: isn't that funny. It's not like it's called ditzy, right,
Speaker 1: it's just clueless. Clueless is innocent.
Speaker 2: That's such a good point. Yeah, that's such.
Speaker 1: A funny joke. Her falling down the stairs and like,
Speaker 1: oh nobody saw that, and that guy like, hey, you're right,
Speaker 1: that looked really bad. Yeah, this, you know, this takes
Speaker 1: me back a little bit. It would have been a
Speaker 1: little later, but I remember going to like smaller concerts
Speaker 1: like this, where it'd be like, you know, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like ska esque, a beat sort of rock stuff.
Speaker 1: I haven't been anything like that in a long time.
Speaker 1: But they'd be like local things. I remember there was
Speaker 1: a record store that had an attic and they would
Speaker 1: have things kind of like this, or like churches, even
Speaker 1: like I remember churches would open up and you'd go
Speaker 1: see like a rock concert. And I remember going to
Speaker 1: see this band. I remember, I can't remember what they
Speaker 1: were called, but it was like small and everybody's mohing
Speaker 1: and pushing each other around. And then I remember the
Speaker 1: lead singer as this woman and she kind of you know,
Speaker 1: and then she like jumped into the crowd and she
Speaker 1: just shoved me. I was like, ah, I can pushed
Speaker 1: to the side. But it was like it was great,
Speaker 1: you know, it was all it was all fun. Look
Speaker 1: at Paul ruts is talking to the adult in the room.
Speaker 2: It is pretty funny, dude.
Speaker 1: Her waving with that funny face is like one of
Speaker 1: the funniest faces she makes in this movie.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, I so much
Speaker 1: more relate now to the Paul Rudd character. Just sort
Speaker 1: of like you go into the room full of kids
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, here's the manager. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: the manager for a while.
Speaker 2: That is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: But this is such a sweet moment right where ties
Speaker 1: all alone. So then he dances with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he dances just all goofy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't care. An idiot, he doesn't care,
Speaker 1: and he's probably having the most fun. And I love
Speaker 1: that shares, you know, the type of character who had
Speaker 1: noticed that and not be I think it's cringe. I
Speaker 1: think it's embarrassing. It's endearing to her.
Speaker 2: She likes it. Yeah. So I can't remember, did you
Speaker 2: say you saw this in the theater when it came out.
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw it in theaters, but I
Speaker 1: know I saw it like on VHS in the moment, okay,
Speaker 1: And then it was one of those things where you know,
Speaker 1: I'm almost embarrassed to say, like it feels so like whatever.
Speaker 1: But like back in the day, it was definitely like
Speaker 1: there were boy movies and there were girl movies. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's such a thing anymore. But
Speaker 1: like I kind of remember thinking that, like this felt
Speaker 1: like it could be a girl movie. And I don't
Speaker 1: know why I watch it, probably because at least a
Speaker 1: Silverstone is in it. Yeah, and those Aeros videos did
Speaker 1: a number on me. But then you watch it and
Speaker 1: this is just a movie for everybody. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a solid, feel good, well written movie, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's always kind of been there. And I
Speaker 1: remember been watching it on DVD and just whenever it's
Speaker 1: on TV, stopping on it. And then yeah, so I've
Speaker 1: seen this like a handful of times.
Speaker 2: Kind of a comfort food movie for you.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, Yeah, Christians, like, hey, these guys. I was
Speaker 1: reading also for the character of Josh played by Paul
Speaker 1: Rudd that Ben Affleck and Zach Braff tried.
Speaker 2: Out for them for that char Zach Braff, there you
Speaker 2: go to see that we we missed out on that pairing.
Speaker 1: Who knows that pairing could have been a superpower even earlier.
Speaker 2: It was, but it was destined to happen. It's a
Speaker 2: cannon event exactly exactly, just the can got kicked down
Speaker 2: the curve. But it had to happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can see both versions of that, by the way,
Speaker 1: I absolutely can. But there's a just an inherent sweetness
Speaker 1: with Paul Rudd that you just can't He's he's perfect,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree, because because if you think of Affleck,
Speaker 2: that's circa fashionable male m right, Malrat's Ben Affleck can't.
Speaker 2: I can't slot him into this, no, yeah, because he
Speaker 2: had kind of that douchey vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, and I know I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: that character from All Rats, but for sure, because I
Speaker 1: mean he's yeah, there's like an edge to him, a
Speaker 1: very look.
Speaker 2: I like Ben Affleck as an actor. I think he's great,
Speaker 2: but I think he has matured into a great actor.
Speaker 2: I think you know, like you know what this would
Speaker 2: have been before Chasing Amy, right, yeah, yeah, Chasing Amy
Speaker 2: was like ninety seven, I think, and I mean watching
Speaker 2: Chasing Amy with about thirty years of hindsight, you're like, boy,
Speaker 2: he is a douche right, right, right, I mean that's
Speaker 2: the character that Kevin Smith wrote, but like you realize
Speaker 2: with much more clarity, like he is not a like
Speaker 2: or smart person, this guy that Ben Affleck plays, right,
Speaker 2: and he does a good job playing that yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while. I'd be interested to revisit that.
Speaker 2: That that movie is a weird one man, because I
Speaker 2: would say, uh, you know, and we've had this conversation before,
Speaker 2: but but those the early indie movies of Kevin Smith.
Speaker 2: So I'll put mal Rest to one side. But Clerks
Speaker 2: and Chasing Amy, those were the types of things that
Speaker 2: certainly for me, I was like, hey, I could do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, right, but.
Speaker 2: There is I think I think out of all of those,
Speaker 2: I think Clerks holds up the best in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Chasing Amy does kind of make me cringe a little
Speaker 2: bit A few times. I've revisited it since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd like to do that. I saw Dogma again recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that hold up for you?
Speaker 1: Pretty well? I think you know, it's uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: think for the most part, holds up pretty well. And
Speaker 1: you know, he's always so self deprecated about his direction,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you can critique it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, that movie doesn't look too bad.
Speaker 2: The Shit Monster.
Speaker 1: But see that's like one of the sort of like okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give you that one because there are some fun
Speaker 1: sort of monologues and insights elsewhere, but you know, much
Speaker 1: funny by the way, I was clocking that moment with
Speaker 1: He's you know, she's waiting for Christian to call and
Speaker 1: you see the cell phone like the Monolith in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, which is hilarious and it's funny because
Speaker 1: and even recently the Barbie movie, right, yeah, she's treated
Speaker 1: like the Monolith, and it just made me think, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was when I first saw
Speaker 1: this movie, but then I get a little bit older,
Speaker 1: you watch two thousand and one, you see this and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, that's funny. That's really clever, and even
Speaker 1: just esthetically not understanding it, it's kind of funny. And
Speaker 1: it made me think. You know, writing on for children's
Speaker 1: television as much as I do, a lot of times
Speaker 1: you'll get a note that says kids won't get this,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, yeah, but there were so many
Speaker 1: things on the shows I watched when I was growing
Speaker 1: up I didn't get and I was rewarded later in
Speaker 1: life for it. You know, when I finally saw Citizen
Speaker 1: Kane was like, oh, I think the Simpsons have recreated
Speaker 1: ninety percent of this movie, and I didn't realize it's
Speaker 1: really true, you know, and I'm really endeared. I love
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane because I do think it's a genuinely good movie.
Speaker 1: But I also feel strangely endeared to it because I
Speaker 1: was exposed to it in so many ways when I
Speaker 1: was a kid without realizing it.
Speaker 2: You know, what I would love is for somebody to
Speaker 2: cut together a chronological version of Citizen Kane using only
Speaker 2: all the different Simpsons references.
Speaker 1: That would be amazing, right, yeah, yeah, I mean so
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, though, I think there's value in it.
Speaker 1: I think if it pleases the creative, you know, the
Speaker 1: creator of the thing, great. It can work as just
Speaker 1: a funny, surface level joke. Great. And then also, so
Speaker 1: what they don't get it, they will, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: like appreciate you for it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll go back to the thing we've talked.
Speaker 2: We've mentioned it a few times. A haircut. You can
Speaker 2: set your watch too. Yes, it turns out it's a
Speaker 2: it's a reference to nothing, as we found out, But
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because it's funny, and you internalize it
Speaker 2: as a kid, you weren't like, well what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then you know what now I may may
Speaker 1: put it in something and now it is a reference exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I agree, I mean that there. I
Speaker 2: don't think we give kids enough credit in that regard
Speaker 2: because because they'll still be able to think something, you know,
Speaker 2: using another Simpsons joke, the street car named Marge, right,
Speaker 2: the whole well, geez, that whole episode, right, but the
Speaker 2: Great Escape parody, Yes, well, it's no less funny not
Speaker 2: having seen.
Speaker 1: The Great Escape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just funnier once you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, and then that moment with the birds right
Speaker 1: where Homewerk gomes in there to get Maggie and all
Speaker 1: the kids have been released, and it's like the scene
Speaker 1: from The Birds where they have to walk slowly and
Speaker 1: in fear with all the birds around them. As a kid,
Speaker 1: I knew it had to be referencing something, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, and it was just freaking
Speaker 1: hilarious on its own.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, we missed a very important line, maybe
Speaker 1: the most important line in the entire movie, during one
Speaker 1: of the sweetest scenes where Cher's letting her hair down
Speaker 1: literally and she's hanging out with you know, Paul Rudd
Speaker 1: late at night and they're just chilling on the couch
Speaker 1: and he says something about like, oh, you don't want
Speaker 1: to be seen hanging out with your brother, and chery goes,
Speaker 1: you are not my brother. Very important.
Speaker 2: She turns to the camera. Everybody got that, exactly, exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is kind of a sweet thing too,
Speaker 1: like everything thus far has kind of worked out for her,
Speaker 1: and so seeing her being ambitious for herself and things
Speaker 1: not going her way, it's kind of a different angle
Speaker 1: we get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she plays on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I wanted to point out also
Speaker 1: when they're having that conversation about the breadstick and the penises,
Speaker 1: I read that that was written in the script to
Speaker 1: take place at California Pizza Kitchen. But the CEO didn't
Speaker 1: love that, talking about their breadsticks looking like penises. But
Speaker 1: I thought i'd bring it up because anytime you and
Speaker 1: I get together, we always go to at least once
Speaker 1: to California Pizza Kitchen.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you say that, because them just
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I got a CPK vibe.
Speaker 1: Oh did you really?
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So well, there you go. She she got with the director, got.
Speaker 2: What she wanted. Ultimately, she did yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Here he's basically laughing at her, at her exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like aget, how clueless she.
Speaker 2: Is, oscar wild reading right right right streisand ticket holding.
Speaker 1: He's so man. I don't understand why he doesn't pop
Speaker 1: up in more things. He's just such a really enjoyable presence.
Speaker 2: But he was just wasn't He was just on a
Speaker 2: show with John Cryer.
Speaker 1: Oh don't I know it. I went to a taping
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, and I don't I think that show's
Speaker 2: done right, I don't think yes, But they're bringing back
Speaker 2: scrubs as of this recording.
Speaker 1: Oh well there you go. Yeah, which hilarious. By the way.
Speaker 1: The freeway thing, it's just just screaming.
Speaker 2: I so relate to fear of the highway, yeah, because
Speaker 2: that was definitely a thing for me when I first
Speaker 2: started dry. I mean, no matter what, I wanted to
Speaker 2: stay off the highway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's funny. My brother in law, he
Speaker 1: is from New York, and he, I mean, he's I'd
Speaker 1: be afraid to drive New York, you know, But when
Speaker 1: he was out in LA he was afraid of yeah,
Speaker 1: the freeway, and he didn't want to merge and he
Speaker 1: would always have me drive, and I was it just
Speaker 1: didn't occur to me. It's completely understandable. By the way
Speaker 1: I mean is it's a whole skill set.
Speaker 2: LA highways are to be fair, you know, something else entirely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and in a way I feel well, actually,
Speaker 1: I was just in Oklahoma visiting my parents, and my
Speaker 1: mom doesn't like driving me on the freeway even there.
Speaker 1: But for me, I was like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is like bike But so in a way, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of glad I've been conditioned a little bit, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: so everything else feels easy. By the way, this is
Speaker 1: the west Side Pavilion Fashion Square shopping mall, which is
Speaker 1: a couple of blocks from where I live.
Speaker 2: Have I been here probably yeah, But.
Speaker 1: Seeing it now, I'm like, oh wait, yeah, I recognize
Speaker 1: that those like awkwardly placed escalators and you have to
Speaker 1: walk like all this distance just to go back upstairs.
Speaker 2: I think this is the most dated part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Is a mall full of people, and.
Speaker 1: I know, well, yeah, they referenced the Galleria earlier, which
Speaker 1: just man, that was just the pinnacle of mall culture,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. That was like the Mecca of yeah, seemingly
Speaker 1: back in the day, which is sad because it used
Speaker 1: to be this indoor mall and it was it's in
Speaker 1: fast times and all sorts of things Commando yeah, oh sure,
Speaker 1: reference and Terminator two. But it's been remodeled. Now it's
Speaker 1: an outdoor mall. And unfortunately, I mean, aside from like
Speaker 1: a cheesecake factory in the movie theater that I go to,
Speaker 1: there's not much else that's depressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I think it's because of Commando. I
Speaker 2: saw Commando at a formative age, and as a result,
Speaker 2: every time I would go into any mall, I would
Speaker 2: be like mentally plotting out action sequences.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, absolutely right, Yeah, dude, I had a script.
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't imagine you share it. But like it
Speaker 1: was back in the day, it was literally supposed to
Speaker 1: be die Hard in a mall with the mall security. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it was just like I loved malls. I loved
Speaker 1: I thought they were very cinematic because you have all
Speaker 1: the different stores with little different worlds that you can
Speaker 1: step into, right, you know. But yeah, now malls just
Speaker 1: I don't know, just they're empty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's unnerving. Yeah, yeah, I should say. Actually,
Speaker 2: just last time I was in Chicago, I made a
Speaker 2: ceremonial trip to the location of what used to be
Speaker 2: Stratford Square.
Speaker 1: Yeap, it are mall, the mall of our youth.
Speaker 2: Returned to the earth from whence it came.
Speaker 1: Oh so sad.
Speaker 2: It no longer exists.
Speaker 1: But speaking of getting older, as we've been referencing a lot,
Speaker 1: if I've learned anything, it's that nothing lasts forever.
Speaker 2: Man, that is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your favorite restaurant shuts down, the mall you you
Speaker 1: grew up going to gets leveled. Just the way of things.
Speaker 2: It's the way of things. So I I want to say,
Speaker 2: I think for me this plot thread of like Share
Speaker 2: feeling jealous of Tie getting all the attention that that
Speaker 2: that's the only slightly sour note for me, Like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't ring true to the way either of
Speaker 2: these characters have been depicted to me.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, for Tie having this kind of turn, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that what you mean? He sort of like we're.
Speaker 2: Shit and and even Share being jealous. You know, it
Speaker 2: feels off somehow to me.
Speaker 1: Sure, I do like it.
Speaker 2: It feels like a necessary plot complication. Yes, because because
Speaker 2: you know, we're we're however, you know, we're we're an
Speaker 2: hour and ten in and it's like, oh, we need
Speaker 2: to like, you know, kind of shake up the edges
Speaker 2: sketch a little bit. But it feels like, oh, we
Speaker 2: need to introduce something so that we have something to
Speaker 2: resolve totally, you know.
Speaker 1: Totally Yeah, No, I hear you, right, because because.
Speaker 2: The inciting incident feels like it comes out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: which is those jam mosses, Yeah, at the mall trying
Speaker 2: to throw over, and then the way in which everybody's like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you almost died and she becomes a celebrity.
Speaker 2: None of that reads real to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I hear you. I it does
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going back to it. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean this in a bad way, but kind of sit commy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean. Yeah, it feels like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But yeah, I agree with you. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: at this point, just structurally, she needs to be thrown
Speaker 1: and feel like she's losing everything so she can use
Speaker 1: what she's learned along the way to win everything back.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, Red wearing that Kansas University
Speaker 1: of Kansas hat, which kind doesn't make sense because he
Speaker 1: doesn't go to college there in the film, but Paul
Speaker 1: Rudd went to the University of Kansas.
Speaker 2: Nah, see there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, yeah, I hear you, but it is
Speaker 1: It is kind of fun watching her version of feeling
Speaker 1: thrown since she's so confident, like even this, like she's
Speaker 1: so her body language, her face, like no one else
Speaker 1: could have made that role as endearing as silver Stone did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funy. The driving instructor was.
Speaker 2: This like your road test when you when you got
Speaker 2: your license? Thank goodness, Now did you pass it on
Speaker 2: your first try?
Speaker 1: I did. I have a very embarrassing story, though, I
Speaker 1: because she's so adorable. I did. Yeah, I passed. And
Speaker 1: then I came back and I met my mom at
Speaker 1: the TV and we were walking and I saw a
Speaker 1: girl from school, and I was like, we did it,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're feeling such relief. And as we
Speaker 1: walked away, and my Mom's like, Brian, I don't think
Speaker 1: she passed, but I just wasn't clocking her body language, her.
Speaker 2: Body yeah, And I was like, oh no, that's funny.
Speaker 1: I think about that to this day. I feel somethhing.
Speaker 1: But thank goodness. You know on TV it's always you
Speaker 1: got to do the parallel parking right right, And I
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. I had to back around
Speaker 1: a corner. Okay, right, so you reverse around a corner
Speaker 1: without bumping the curb.
Speaker 2: Which is yeah, I had to do that too.
Speaker 1: Is that interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I can imagine out here you do so much.
Speaker 1: Speaking for where I live, so cal but there's so
Speaker 1: much parallel parking. You definitely should be a part of
Speaker 1: the test. But I guess just where we grew up,
Speaker 1: they figured it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and are you how did you do? I failed
Speaker 2: my first time?
Speaker 1: Oh really? What what was it?
Speaker 2: So? I this was the DMV in in Schomberg, next
Speaker 2: to where there used to be that tower records. Do
Speaker 2: you remember? I do off off of Higgins or golf
Speaker 2: or whatever. So so I took I I went, and
Speaker 2: I did very well. Like you know, we drove around
Speaker 2: the back roads. Everything, everything was fine, and it was
Speaker 2: literally the instructor was like, all right, just just turn
Speaker 2: in here and and uh park and we'll get you
Speaker 2: your license. Oh no, And I'm like okay, And so
Speaker 2: I look back to change things and it was like
Speaker 2: a winding road. And I looked back, like a split
Speaker 2: second too long, and I and I looked back, and
Speaker 2: and I wind up on an island, you know. And
Speaker 2: and according to this is how my brother describes it,
Speaker 2: because he was there waiting for me, yeah, he says.
Speaker 2: He says that he was waiting outside he saw the
Speaker 2: car coming up, and he's like, oh, like I made it.
Speaker 2: And so he turns around and he starts walking in
Speaker 2: and he hears this loud thought and he turns around
Speaker 2: and he just sees my hubcap rolling away.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm.
Speaker 2: On this island. And I look over at the instructor
Speaker 2: and my hand to god. She goes, well, never mind,
Speaker 2: and she tears the thing. No, dude, that sounds like
Speaker 2: out of a teen movie. This is absolutely true. She's like, well,
Speaker 2: back up, let's get you back in. So as I'm
Speaker 2: backing up again, not making this up, I'm backing up
Speaker 2: and red behind me. There was a cop. No, and
Speaker 2: he gets out and he's like, can I see your license?
Speaker 2: And the instructor goes he's trying to get one, dude.
Speaker 1: This is out of like a sitcom. This is insane.
Speaker 2: Every word of that is true.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of like something about Mary,
Speaker 1: where everything's going wrong for Stiller in that bathroom and
Speaker 1: then there's like the dad at the door, and then
Speaker 1: there's a fire chief, like what's going on in ear
Speaker 1: just compounding like how terrible you feel?
Speaker 2: It was a cascade. Yeah, so that was attempt to
Speaker 2: number one, and then a week, a week or so
Speaker 2: whatever the you have to wait a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2: I went back with my dad and I got it that.
Speaker 1: Oh good, Well, I'm glad you could do it so quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I remember that was like the biggest deal
Speaker 1: in the world. I thought like life couldn't begin until
Speaker 1: I had my license.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's weird, you know, because you know, my oldest he's
Speaker 2: got his license and he drives all the time. My
Speaker 2: second one he got his permit, but he's been in
Speaker 2: like no hurry to do his practice, and he just
Speaker 2: he's like whatever, I've heard that.
Speaker 1: Wait, is he like whatever? Did he make mcaw overs
Speaker 1: for it?
Speaker 2: He's very amber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. It's very interesting to me
Speaker 1: because it's just so opposite of what it was like
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think maybe he sees how his older brother
Speaker 2: is like Aaron guy, and he's like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to deal with that shit. Yeah, sure, I'd rather I'd
Speaker 2: rather be be driven, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But by the way, this conversation, this friction feels
Speaker 1: a little bit more organic, Yeah, with the bringing the
Speaker 1: brother into yeah, like because clearly she's kind of harboring
Speaker 1: feelings for him but a little confused about like making
Speaker 1: sense of them and saying he's not right for Tie,
Speaker 1: and Tie taking offense to that, like also he's not
Speaker 1: good enough for me, and yeah, this this feels I
Speaker 1: think well done. I also think it's kind of a
Speaker 1: sweet moment where she's got that shoe box full of
Speaker 1: things and you know, letting go and throwing them into
Speaker 1: the fireplace, right, and it just feels like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: used to have like a shoebox that stuff. Like she's
Speaker 1: got these funny little things like oh, this was a
Speaker 1: towel that he handed me the head ice in it,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you used to have these little totems
Speaker 1: that yeah, like that that you would cling to. Is
Speaker 1: ro Deo Drive speaking a pretty woman.
Speaker 2: Earlier, weren't we here when we went to that awards show.
Speaker 1: Yes at the hotel across the street. I think, yeah, wow, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was a couple of years back. It was the Hollywood
Speaker 2: Critics Association. We went to that award ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. It's a great, great venue. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a obviously, it's a really nice area. By the way,
Speaker 1: I got a swanky very well. You just got to
Speaker 1: point out this house real quick, this sort of storybook
Speaker 1: witch looking house which is in Beverly Hills. And I
Speaker 1: was curious about it because I've driven past it, but
Speaker 1: because we were doing this commentary, I was like.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: So basically it was it was designed by a Hollywood
Speaker 1: art director, Harry Oliver in nineteen twenty one as an
Speaker 1: office at a Silent film studio, and then it was
Speaker 1: eventually moved and restored and became like a house. Wow,
Speaker 1: and it just sticks out like it just like this
Speaker 1: like snow white looking sort of house in the middle
Speaker 1: of this Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Love this.
Speaker 1: I love Josh.
Speaker 2: I know, it's a perfect shot.
Speaker 1: It's great that fountain. Also just two quick rodeo stories.
Speaker 1: So I've whenever I have friends and family, this is
Speaker 1: kind of sweet because you do it is like a
Speaker 1: little bit you have to be like, okay, wait, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're not related. They're not related. But they do this
Speaker 1: little montage and you're like, oh, they are kind of
Speaker 1: cute together. And then this where she's immediately can't even
Speaker 1: sit comfortably next to him, like she is so great
Speaker 1: in this this role, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to pull off, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: although you have to say, I mean, Paul Rudd circa clueless.
Speaker 2: And then what was it? Object of my affection? He
Speaker 2: had a little bit of manic pixie dream boy energy.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, right, sure he was. He was the trope.
Speaker 1: She's watching the news. I thought they declared peace in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. Okay, okay, So I have to tell
Speaker 1: this rodeo drive story. So I brought my parents there
Speaker 1: just to walk around and see it, and we went.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go in a shop. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've never been in. Let's see what it is. So
Speaker 1: my mom was like, well, the purse is kind of cute.
Speaker 1: So immediately it was the opposite of pretty woman. They like,
Speaker 1: couldn't like be more interested in us, And they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: so this this person whatever you know, this I don't
Speaker 1: remember how much it costs. But it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple thousand dollars or something here, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me go back and I'll go. I'll fish went
Speaker 1: out for you. And so the salesperson leaves to go
Speaker 1: into the back and my mom turns to me and
Speaker 1: whispers help. I was like, we have to go.
Speaker 2: So did you leave before the clerk came back out? No.
Speaker 1: I think we were nice about it, but she she
Speaker 1: couldn't have been nicer. So it wasn't a.
Speaker 2: Couple of grand for a purse?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, the right bag, Zachie. You know,
Speaker 1: you could be talking who knows.
Speaker 2: See you know this? So this is this is you
Speaker 2: know what I've always been like a like a T
Speaker 2: shirt and jeans kind of person, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'll just go to Target and get some jeans. That's
Speaker 2: always been me, you know. And so you know, now
Speaker 2: I got these kids who are who are all into
Speaker 2: you know, name brand things and whatever. And you know
Speaker 2: the problem is that the barriers to getting this stuff
Speaker 2: have decreased. Right Like when we were kids, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it took a while for us to get credit cards,
Speaker 2: and even then we started like you know, we were
Speaker 2: conscious of the money we were spending, right, Yeah. But
Speaker 2: what I have with these kids is, you know, they're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, just give me, you know, Oh, let
Speaker 2: me get on Amazon on my mom's phone and I'll
Speaker 2: just order this thing right, you know, and it's like
Speaker 2: I'll pay you back. And I'm like, first of all,
Speaker 2: they never do. And what I never thought I would
Speaker 2: say as often as I do, are we the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that's a sentence I didn't realize
Speaker 2: would be recurring.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yeah. I wish I could remember the actress
Speaker 1: because I would make this story way way better. But
Speaker 1: I remember recently seeing some actress being interviewed and she'd
Speaker 1: had some sort of like name, you know, designer bag,
Speaker 1: and someone called it out and she went, oh, this
Speaker 1: is fake. And I kind of admired her for doing that,
Speaker 1: you know, like not trying to create some illusion that like, oh,
Speaker 1: everything I own is this and if you want to
Speaker 1: be like me or feel like you fit in and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever world do you think I exist in?
Speaker 1: And just for her to be so honest, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not real and this isn't real, that's good yeah,
Speaker 1: I just can't remember who that was. But by the
Speaker 1: way I did again, this is I love this this
Speaker 1: moment here where Scha is feeling dejected, she has that
Speaker 1: heart to heart with her dad. Of course he's been
Speaker 1: gruff through all throughout all this, but he shows a
Speaker 1: real tenderness there and a real belief in his daughter,
Speaker 1: you know, being like, you know, you're smart, like you
Speaker 1: figure this out, like you're capable. I believe in you,
Speaker 1: and like do the thing you do best. And when
Speaker 1: I like when she's doing that. They have this moment
Speaker 1: where it shows her with all of her friends and
Speaker 1: that she's wise enough to learn from them, you know,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I can learn games from Christian, I
Speaker 1: can learn things from you know, uh Dion and her
Speaker 1: boyfriend when when they don't think anyone's looking, the way
Speaker 1: that they treat one another, There's there's something to be
Speaker 1: taken from that.
Speaker 2: Elton just takes what he wants, he doesn't care. I
Speaker 2: can learn that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, Like, I just
Speaker 1: feel like there's a real That's what makes elevates this movie,
Speaker 1: I agree, from just being kind of a superficial romp,
Speaker 1: there's like a real yeah.
Speaker 2: It hell, it's like I said, right, Other than that
Speaker 2: one moment where Amy Heckerling is like, I don't know
Speaker 2: about these young people and the clothes, for the most part,
Speaker 2: it honors the point of view of you know, younger
Speaker 2: young people and gives them the courtesy of not assuming
Speaker 2: they're stupid.
Speaker 1: You know, totally yeah, you know something I don't. I've
Speaker 1: never read Emma, but my mom did a little while back,
Speaker 1: and so I was asking her. I was like, tell
Speaker 1: me about it because I'm kind of curious because I
Speaker 1: know this movie so well and it was incredible how
Speaker 1: one to one so much of it is and I
Speaker 1: mean plot points, characters, and so I was kind of
Speaker 1: curious about the Christian character. And I guess in the book,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Frank Frank Churchill, And it's basically he's
Speaker 1: not available to Emma because he is secretly engaged I see.
Speaker 1: So there is like surface level flirting and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing, but it's something that's not meant to be.
Speaker 1: And so I just you know, this modern reinterpretation with
Speaker 1: him being gay, like it's just right. It's just very clever.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really I love that it wears it
Speaker 1: on its sleeve. It's not like inspired by Emma, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to tweak it or whatever. It's like, No,
Speaker 1: this is it was like Emma in nineteen ninety five, right, right,
Speaker 1: and still very much its own thing.
Speaker 2: Now that when did the movie? When did the Emma
Speaker 2: movie with the Gwyneth Paltrow? When did that come out?
Speaker 1: That came out? I want to say one year later,
Speaker 1: I see, And I remember reading somewhere that Gwyneth Paltrow
Speaker 1: got very annoyed that clueless kept coming up when she
Speaker 1: was talking about it, or like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: got impressed for it. But you know, and that's funny
Speaker 1: because I know there's also an Anya Taylor Joy one,
Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's a handful of MF Yeah
Speaker 1: that more recent, right, I'd be kind of curious. I
Speaker 1: remember I DVRD that one once because I was just
Speaker 1: curious to see the original story and see if. For
Speaker 1: me it was like, oh, this reminds me of Tie
Speaker 1: and Share and right, this is sweet. Now she's out
Speaker 1: supporting Tie, out supporting the boys she always kind of
Speaker 1: felt naturally drawn to and his interests the skateboard.
Speaker 2: They were meant to be Cravis Birkinstock and tie, you know,
Speaker 2: and I love.
Speaker 1: When they first meet and I think she's, uh, she
Speaker 1: like draws on Marvin the Martian really well, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's really cool. Could you draw that from me? Doesn't
Speaker 1: that not such like a high school conversation very much? So? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's just so that actually makes me think it's so
Speaker 1: well observed. Maybe that's something Heckerling noticed when she was
Speaker 1: sitting in on a classroom because I remember that like
Speaker 1: kids would be because you you would know like you
Speaker 1: were really you are a very good artist. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure your folders were covered and things like that, and
Speaker 1: people were probably like, hey, man, can you draw like
Speaker 1: a Bart Simpson for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was my ind socially, you know, Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 2: I remember I used to draw tiny Tunes characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, this is like Fall of ninety two, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's so funny. Oh I had this trivia
Speaker 1: written down, but I'd kind of missed it. But when
Speaker 1: shares all depressed walking around Beverly Hills and all by
Speaker 1: my myself is playing, It's sung by Jewel okay, before
Speaker 1: she had broken out, I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Is that right, like, when when did Jewel? It all
Speaker 2: blurs together now when did when did she? When did
Speaker 2: she break breakout?
Speaker 1: I think her album might have just come out at
Speaker 1: the same time, but her Who Will Save Your Soul
Speaker 1: had not charted yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it happened to Jewel. She's still around.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, here you go, this is the
Speaker 1: one dick, this guy in the universe. Yeah, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, he's an asshole and he's behaving like an asshole.
Speaker 1: He's treating them very badly. But if you were him
Speaker 1: and you had all this work to get done, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're watching the people who are like helping just
Speaker 1: kind of flat with each other, you can kind of imagine,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be here at ten at
Speaker 1: night at my boss's house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also wouldn't be belittling my boss's daughter, right, No.
Speaker 1: No, no, don't get me wrong. He's doing it entirely the
Speaker 1: wrong way. He calls her a moron, which.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, I like that. There there's a way
Speaker 2: to express your displeasure without being a total dick about it.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Script wise is perfect because it gives
Speaker 1: rudding in to go up and comfort it but uh,
Speaker 1: and also I love seeing him stand up for her, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, going to bat for her, like we are
Speaker 1: saying what a great character is because we spend so
Speaker 1: much time with her. But in this world, you could
Speaker 1: imagine people thinking of her n she's superficial and all
Speaker 1: the things, but and not knowing her deeper intelligence. But
Speaker 1: Rudd sees it.
Speaker 2: You know, the thing about Paul Rudd, you realize just
Speaker 2: how effortlessly charming he is, right, like, yeah, because obviously
Speaker 2: you know he's good in this and and you know
Speaker 2: whatever rom coms he did shortly after, but like you
Speaker 2: remember when he was on Friends as as Phoebe's husband,
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, that he was just playing himself
Speaker 2: right right, you know, because because we see him on
Speaker 2: all his conan appearances and you're like, this guy is
Speaker 2: just he's comfortable in his skin mm hmm. And he's
Speaker 2: just a very charming, funny guy, you know.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And so it's it's cool to kind of see the
Speaker 2: moment of birth so to speak, you know, like totally,
Speaker 2: you know, because he had been in other stuff. He
Speaker 2: was in one of the Halloween movies before this, he
Speaker 2: was in that Super Nintendo commercial. Yeah, sure, all right,
Speaker 2: but like from clueless to now thirty years, it's never
Speaker 2: stopped for him.
Speaker 1: What I love because watching this, I mean I just
Speaker 1: even looking at him and he's like very dreamy looking,
Speaker 1: like you can see him being this heart throb guy.
Speaker 1: That's his his lane or his trajectory. But then smoldering, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like really smoldering, but like approachable, nice guy. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but then he's an anchorman and you're likely crap. That
Speaker 1: guy's hilarious, Like.
Speaker 2: He said, well, that's that's that's his that's his real lane.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then before that, to be fair, he was
Speaker 1: in wet, hot American summer, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, letting
Speaker 1: that weird alternative humor flag fly. But it's just cool
Speaker 1: that he got opened up and was able to do
Speaker 1: all of it and eventually become a superhero.
Speaker 2: Become a superhero and and playing I would offer probably
Speaker 2: the best superhero for him to play.
Speaker 1: Totally perfect. Yeah, this is sweet. See I buy this,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't want to think about
Speaker 1: the details, but like, you know, like how.
Speaker 2: Do you explain this to the parents though, is my question?
Speaker 2: I know, I know that's gotta be a weird conversation
Speaker 2: to have very much, especially.
Speaker 1: With Dan Hdea. Repeat that back to me and make
Speaker 1: it make sense.
Speaker 2: That's right, Get out of my chair. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: funny where she's like, this isn't Kentucky, you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's it's it's their wedding, their wedding, Yeah, inconceivable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is nice. I think Heckerling has a cameo
Speaker 1: here somewhere when the bouquet is thrown aw ties with
Speaker 1: brecking mere.
Speaker 2: So so what's Rudd's what's the Josh's mom character saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I was trying to read her lips.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting. I wonder if it was like they had
Speaker 1: something and they cut it. That was my thought, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like is she happy that they're together?
Speaker 2: Is she? You know right?
Speaker 1: Right? That could accidentally introduce a little unpleasantness, right, like
Speaker 1: if it's like there's a contentious relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, we just need we just need to photoshop
Speaker 2: JD into that scene with.
Speaker 1: Almost like an obi Wan ghost. You know, you just
Speaker 1: see Faison like what's he looking at off screen? And
Speaker 1: he just gets I was seeing like Walter Payton super
Speaker 1: Bowl shuffle. Yes, yes, So where's were she I thought
Speaker 1: I of tours the back. I think I think she's
Speaker 1: the one that like really wrestles for it. Let's see,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a chaotic. It's kind of hard to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1: Huh, Yeah, I don't really there.
Speaker 2: Well, you gotta you gotta throw some elbows for that bouquet, Brian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's how it goes. Have
Speaker 1: you ever caught like a garter or anything at a wedding?
Speaker 2: I have not. Yeah, I don't. Well, I don't bother.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would I write I'm.
Speaker 1: Already Yeah, I guess I feel like an old matter.
Speaker 2: I think my wife might get upset.
Speaker 1: But ah, this is great. Hey you put it well,
Speaker 1: this is a real comfort food movie for me. So
Speaker 1: I I loved watching this. Again. Well, Bill Pope, director
Speaker 1: of photography.
Speaker 2: You know, didn't he do the crow?
Speaker 1: I may have. Oh, Adam Schroeder I used to work
Speaker 1: with that guy too, he's a producer on this. It's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, like watching these movies before I moved
Speaker 1: out here and seeing people that I would eventually come
Speaker 1: to know. It's kind of a strange thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you got to revisit this, and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. I hope it held up
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's it's it goes down easy,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this soundtrack too, I feel like we had this
Speaker 1: like the CD or something, so like all these songs.
Speaker 2: Oh this is this is like the quick essential nineties mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because even watching this, I'm
Speaker 1: like conditioned to think, like, Okay, is there like a
Speaker 1: little beat in the middle of these credits. It's going
Speaker 1: to stop and have an ex right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: obviously that's been around for a long time with John
Speaker 1: Hughes movies in the eighties, but now it's just like
Speaker 1: every movie. You know, Marvel really conditioned us to expect
Speaker 1: it seriously.
Speaker 2: So okay, So I was thinking of the Crow, but
Speaker 2: it was it was dark Man that I was thinking. You.
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting, Yeah. He said he did Team America, the Matrix, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Matrix movies. Yeah yeah, yeah. His his presence was
Speaker 2: missed in the latest Matrix movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, you know, and brought something unique,
Speaker 2: although I mean I don't associate Clueless with his style
Speaker 2: of cinematography.
Speaker 1: So that's isn't that cool, Like it's like a tool
Speaker 1: in his toolbox, you know, he's like not just moody,
Speaker 1: you know, action film guy.
Speaker 2: Right, So thoughts on clueless thirty years later.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've already watched this once this year,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed watching it again. It's just so rewatchable
Speaker 1: and optimistic and fun and it makes you laugh and
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the test of a movie like this
Speaker 2: is that obviously you enjoyed in the moment, but when
Speaker 2: you revisit it with the distance of decade, which certainly
Speaker 2: is the case for me because the last time I
Speaker 2: saw it was before I got married, so I've never
Speaker 2: watched it with Dominete, right, And she was telling me
Speaker 2: like she she remembers watching it in the theater. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: you know, which which makes sense because I mean she's
Speaker 2: the same age. She was the same age as share
Speaker 2: the character. Sure yea in the movie when it came out,
Speaker 2: you know, so uh definitely plugged in on that level again.
Speaker 2: I was. I was surprised at how much I misremembered,
Speaker 2: like I you know, I I remembered it being more coarse.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know, in terms of like the edges
Speaker 2: were a little harder, and I appreciated that. No, it
Speaker 2: has actually a very nice heart, you know, and I
Speaker 2: and I think that's the reason that that that this
Speaker 2: movie has lived on to whatever extent it has. I like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if it's if it's an
Speaker 2: evergreen in the same way that that you know, the
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club is or something. M hm. But but I
Speaker 2: definitely think that I think I think anybody from any
Speaker 2: era can just plug into it without too much you know, throat.
Speaker 1: Clearing totally, you know, totally. Yeah, Well it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean you said your your daughter found her way in
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's right, was enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was definitely something for me. I mean
Speaker 2: she's eight, so I was like, okay, you know, she's
Speaker 2: she's she's getting the important stuff, you know. I am
Speaker 2: curious about this sequel series that they're working on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm aware of it. I know nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they as of this recording, they only
Speaker 2: announced it a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I know there's also a musical, right that's
Speaker 1: happening right now.
Speaker 2: There is a musical, but this is this is a
Speaker 2: via Peacock. Okay, okay, all right, and I'm this is
Speaker 2: I'm reading this from from L. The L website says
Speaker 2: from your subscription from Yeah, of course, how else are
Speaker 2: you gonna how access this important information? Uh? Alisa Silverstone,
Speaker 2: Alisa Donovan, Breckenmeyer, Amy Heckerling, as well as costume designer
Speaker 2: Mona main casting director Marsha Ross celebrity of the film's
Speaker 2: thirty the anniversary. In an interview with people at the event,
Speaker 2: Silverstone said she can reveal nothing about the TV sequel,
Speaker 2: but Heckerling admitted she's thrilled to death it is happening.
Speaker 2: But Silverstone was asked if she ever thought she'd play,
Speaker 2: if she'd ever play share again. She replied, I didn't,
Speaker 2: and then I did it for the Super Bowl. M
Speaker 2: Was there a Super Bowl commercial?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they recreated the debate scene from the club.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Yeah, so that's an interesting one.
Speaker 2: You know, I I'm down. You know, it's she is
Speaker 2: coming back or she she? She says she never thought
Speaker 2: she would, but then after having done the Super Bowl ad,
Speaker 2: she's she's now more you know, more open to it.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, these things are always risky.
Speaker 2: That's that's my thought. I will say that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, Alicia Silverstone is still great, and I'd love
Speaker 2: to see what Share is up to thirty years later. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, you bring enough of those those original
Speaker 2: pieces back, I'd be curious. I think by by by definition,
Speaker 2: it would have to be about like the next generation
Speaker 2: of characters totally, and that makes me less interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's part of me that doesn't want to see
Speaker 1: what happened to Share, Like I'd rather be in my
Speaker 1: imagination than literally.
Speaker 2: Know, Like like I don't, I don't want you know,
Speaker 2: you know, her daughter Sabrina Carpenter and Share pops up
Speaker 2: occasionally or whatever, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, no one pc. Yeah. And then also we
Speaker 1: were talking to this movie's unique tone. Yeah, what an
Speaker 1: incredible like I don't know what you even call it,
Speaker 1: like just heightened reality but not that heightened And like, so,
Speaker 1: what what does the show do now as they try
Speaker 1: to be a little outside of reality or what is
Speaker 1: that even? What's that version in twenty twenty five? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, but then again, I'm in some ways
Speaker 1: many ways, I'm sure it's just not meant for me.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's you know, maybe get your daughter.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, so I'd be very curious what she would
Speaker 2: end up thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one more thing I wanted to mention as
Speaker 1: long as we're talking about Ammy Heckerling, but like she
Speaker 1: also did the look Who's Talking movies, which is yes,
Speaker 1: that's right right. I just thought that was worth mentioning
Speaker 1: because it feels like those are kind of forgotten these days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but those were huge, well at least the first two
Speaker 1: were the first two well yeah, yeah, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so she she had a really interesting career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's she done lately?
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of TV directing, Ok, Suburgatory,
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl. Yeah, she did well, just going through it
Speaker 1: real quick. So she did Fast Times at Richmond High,
Speaker 1: a move called Johnny Dangerously, which I've never scene with
Speaker 1: Michael Keaton. Yeah yeah, European Vacation, Look Who's talking? Clueless?
Speaker 1: And then like Loser with Jason Biggs, which I remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it kind of yeah, like she was able
Speaker 1: to do her thing, but they just weren't hitting I
Speaker 1: could never be your Woman, which is Michelle Pfeiffer Paul
Speaker 1: Road again. And then is a movie called vamps.
Speaker 2: Ill like vaguely remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Alicia's Silverstone's in that. And it's about
Speaker 1: these not teenagers but young vampires. Okay, and then it's
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of TV stuff, but I mean, man,
Speaker 1: she had a lot of cultural touchstones. Yeah, and clearly
Speaker 1: is a great writer. So you know who knows. I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for the show.
Speaker 2: I hope it's good. Yeah, but that wraps up our
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