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What's 23 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.040 the point everywhere you go? 24 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.120 Hout to la and educated nice stems. 25 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.519 Thanks hit the mall? 26 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:29.519 Is it James Dean or Jason Priest though? Hello, Alicia Silverstone? 27 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:31.239 Wait, existential Clueless? 28 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:33.680 Do you have any idea what you're talking about? 29 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:34.719 Rated? 30 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:35.040 PG? 31 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:35.640 Thirteen. 32 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.000 Wow, Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name 33 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.480 is Zachie Assign I'm here with Brian Hall. 34 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:48.239 Hey, how's it going, Zachie? As if we get two 35 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.799 baldwins coming at you live Hopefully we're not Monaise, but 36 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.760 that's up to you, the listeners who are not looking 37 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:55.959 at it. 38 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:02.040 So you're here to talk about clueless. And the timing 39 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:06.680 could not be more appropriate because it did just celebrate 40 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:07.879 it's thirtieth anniversary. 41 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.479 You know, I was thinking about thirty years and in 42 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.199 my mind, because I remember seeing this and I've rewatched 43 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.919 it throughout the years, I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, 44 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:18.960 it's thirty sounds like a lot, but it doesn't feel 45 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.960 like a lot. But in nineteen ninety five, when this 46 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.520 came out, thirty years previous to that, the Beatles were 47 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.319 still together and man had not yet walked on the Moon. 48 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.400 See my thought watching I was like, I was like, 49 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.840 it is now a back to the future amount of time. Yes, 50 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.759 Clueless came out right, that was my thought. 51 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.039 That's an interesting so to try to picture a teenager 52 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.840 like one of your your your boys, going back into 53 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.240 the era of clueless, and what would that feel like 54 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.719 for them? Because they have cell phones in this movie 55 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.719 they do, you know, So I don't know's that's always 56 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.960 sort of an interesting idea, right because things are so 57 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:59.240 drastically different from eighty five to fifty five. But are 58 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.560 they drastically different from now to nineteen ninety five in 59 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:03.120 some ways? 60 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.840 I think, I think substantially, so I would I would 61 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.080 say things are drastic from nineteen ninety five to two 62 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:13.400 thousand and five. I mean it's it's when you when 63 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.400 you think about it, like the so much, so much 64 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:23.400 of the social construct in this film feels like a 65 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:25.360 different planet, forget a different era. 66 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:27.680 You know now that you say it because I don't 67 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:31.599 have kids, Yeah, but like I think what I'm not 68 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:37.560 recognizing is just the different ways that they socialize because 69 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:38.960 to me, I'm like, oh, yeah, I mean this is 70 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:40.919 how I remember it, and I'm sure kids still like 71 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.240 you know, just like hang out together and in the 72 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:44.800 same room. 73 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.680 And I think the only thing that is the same 74 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.560 is Paul Rudd's boyish good looks. 75 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.319 That's that's true. That is very true. 76 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.439 That's the only thing that is that is applicable no 77 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.639 matter when we have this conversation, it's. 78 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.159 Something we can and we see where shares coming from. 79 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.000 At the end, we're all a little in love with 80 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:04.439 Paul Rud. 81 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:11.879 We're all like, okay with your brother share uh so hey, 82 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.039 And and the timing is also perfectly apropos because because 83 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.040 as we record this, the school year is kicking into gear. 84 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.600 You know, we're thinking about we're thinking about all all 85 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.600 the social climber things that one does when when one 86 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.759 is a you know, a junior in high school, or 87 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.560 how our old share is right right, So we're gonna 88 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.319 watch Clueless from nineteen ninety five. If you want to 89 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.360 watch along with us, you can certainly do that. If not, 90 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.879 we'll try to keep the conversation, uh you knows, as 91 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.160 engaging as we can. Hopefully that's the perfect example, this 92 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.720 little preview of the sparkling repartee. You're about to get 93 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:56.759 huh uh so I'm cute up what about you, Brian, 94 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:58.720 I'm ready to rock, all right, So we'll do the 95 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.560 usual thing. We'll hit play on three. You meaning one, 96 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.399 two three play. Here we go, Brian, ready, one two 97 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:05.279 three play. 98 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.120 So yeah, I mean, we were talking a little bit 99 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.800 about this off air. But tell me about your relationship 100 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.040 to this movie. I mean, when was the last time 101 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:16.800 you saw it? Did you see it in the nineties? 102 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:17.839 Is it something you saw later? 103 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.360 I did see it in the nineties. I did not 104 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.399 see it during its initial run. I rented it from 105 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.399 the Hollywood Video on Army Trail Road. 106 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.360 Were you a Hollywood video guy? I was Blockbuster guy. 107 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.920 I was a Hollywood video guy, which actually doesn't make 108 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.000 even a lick of sense because the Hollywood video near 109 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.560 me was substantially further away than the Blockbuster. 110 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.360 Oh interesting, I do remember that, like you'd be at 111 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.279 a sleepover, because we were typically we actually had a 112 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.879 mom and pop place. We went to President Video mostly, 113 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.240 but sometimes if it was something was out, we'd go 114 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.360 to a Blockbuster. But if I was at a sleepover 115 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.519 and I saw the Hollywood video boxes, it was sort 116 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.240 of like ooh, like exotic. 117 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:07.399 But this movie definitely put Alicia Silverstone into the Zeitgeist, 118 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.240 even though I mean she had been kicking around. She 119 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:10.279 was in the crush. 120 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:16.279 Well, ye, I was gonna ask if you, like we're 121 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.560 familiar with her from the Aerosmith videos, because I think 122 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.959 that's where she first really burst onto the scene where 123 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:23.079 everyone was like, who is this? 124 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.759 Yeah, so I was not because I didn't have MTV. 125 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.600 Okay, so I didn't either. Actually, and I remember seeing 126 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.519 her or those videos rather at my friend's house. I 127 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:35.519 remember that was like because I you know, I missed 128 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.480 out on Beavis and butt Heead and Rin Stimpy and 129 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.959 all those things. That was like, again speaking of exotic, 130 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.000 I would be like at a friend's house and then 131 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:43.879 I'd be like, oh, this is that Beavis and butt Heead. 132 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.680 You get to finally see this? But yeah, there was. 133 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.439 She was in three Aerosmith videos. Uh, the only one 134 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:52.839 I see, what are they crying? Was one of them? 135 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.000 Amazing something else? But the only thing I remember. Oh 136 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.399 and Liv Tyler also Aerosmith's or Aerosmith you know, mister 137 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:09.120 Aerosmith did Payback run Away. No, Stephen Tyler's daughter lived Tyler. 138 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.279 It was the two of them in one of the videos. 139 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.800 And I remember Alicia Silverstone like looking like she was 140 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.680 going to jump off an overpass right and a guy 141 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.759 was like no, And then you see she has a 142 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.600 bungee cord and she's like flipping them off. Like I 143 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:23.839 mean that was just as a whatever. I was fifteen 144 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.160 year old, and you know, I was like instantly smitten 145 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:27.480 with her. 146 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.800 Yeah, she is adorable in this movie. She like that's 147 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.920 revisiting this for the first time since the nineties. I'm like, 148 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.360 I'd forgotten how good she is in this. 149 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.120 This is one of those things because I was looking 150 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.839 it up and people that they were looking into for 151 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.879 the role of share Reese Witherspoon. 152 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.319 I can totally see that, totally get it. 153 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:51.639 I totally get Carrie Russell, Tiffany Theeson, but can't see 154 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:56.040 that not as much. But like Alicia Silverstone, this is 155 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.199 one of those roles where you're like, oh, this was 156 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.120 she was like or for this, Yeah, you know, because 157 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.040 she's it's not just that she looks pretty and like 158 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.199 she fits in in Beverly Hills and can be kind 159 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.240 of funny and snaperr gum. I mean sher is like 160 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.199 a really interesting character. Like that's the thing when you 161 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.120 watch this when you're fifteen it's one thing, and watching 162 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:19.160 it as an adult, I have like a whole added 163 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.720 appreciation for this movie and it's writing, which we'll get into, 164 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.160 but like sher is really interesting, Like she's sweet but 165 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:29.000 also calculating, you know, and she's she's clueless, but she's 166 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.000 also kind of wise in her own sort of way. 167 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:36.080 Like she's a really dynamic character, and Alicia Silverstone brings 168 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.200 all of those things I feel like to this character, 169 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.120 so she doesn't just feel like a quirky blonde. 170 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.440 Yeah, or a dumb blonde, you know. 171 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:45.000 Totally. 172 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.360 I feel like this movie, you know, to some extent 173 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.200 gets lumped in like, oh, it's another dumb blonde, and 174 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:56.360 I'm like, not really. And honestly, what I was sort 175 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.000 of hardened by watching it again is like just how 176 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:01.799 kind she is. 177 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:07.120 Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, she's nice to everybody in her life. 178 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:07.879 Yeah. 179 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.399 Yeah, as we're watching her dismiss this boy that just 180 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.320 like skits in front of her, but to be fair, 181 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:20.559 they're being rude and Donald Faison, it's. 182 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.799 Weird not having Zach Braff at his side exactly. 183 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.639 Yeah, you like to imagine he was just behind camera, 184 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:34.360 you know, rooting his friend on. It's funny. I was 185 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.039 gonna go down two different directions, but we have to 186 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.759 talk about this moment that the Hadeans she called instead 187 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.879 of the Haitians. Apparently that was something that Silverstone actually said, 188 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:49.840 and Amy Heckerling immediately told everybody, don't correct her, just 189 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.600 let her go with it because it's it's so perfect. 190 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.120 But you know, I thought there was something interesting filmmaking 191 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.320 wise about this. As she's talking, you keep seeing these 192 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.639 shots of the kids. It keeps cutting away to students 193 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.279 sort of distracted, and you know, you get a little 194 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.840 joke with a couple of nose jobs and bandages on 195 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.080 faces and stuff. But I read that her speech here 196 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.840 was much longer interesting, and apparently you can see that 197 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.960 speech in the trailer. I think they show most of 198 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.039 it the original version. 199 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:19.600 Oh okay, But what I was. 200 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:23.600 Thinking about was they whittled it down to its perfect essence. 201 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:25.159 It's not longer than it needs to be, and it's 202 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:30.840 really hilarious and kind of insightful, you know, and perfectly 203 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.559 in character for her and her point of view and 204 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:34.799 her experience. 205 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:35.519 Right. 206 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.879 But I was this is very random, but I was 207 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.799 at my parents place recently and I was just looking 208 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:44.159 through a closet with old DVDs and stuff, and Pretty 209 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:45.600 Woman was in there because I used to work at 210 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.519 New Regency and they gave us all their movies, and 211 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.559 I saw it had a commentary by Gary Marshall, and 212 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.600 I've been like missing commentaries lately, so I was like, 213 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.240 I would love to listen to Gary Marshall talk through 214 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.960 his movie, you know, a perfect romantic comedy. And one 215 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.840 of the things he said on there was he kept 216 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.759 pointing out when you do insert shots, and he goes, 217 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.879 it's really important to do insert shots because you want 218 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.360 to make sure that you're always including the best performances 219 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.120 from your actors, and that could come from take one, 220 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.600 that could come from take four, that could take seven. 221 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:19.519 So always be armed with insert shots so you can 222 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:23.360 piece it together perfectly. And so I had that in 223 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.559 my mind as I was rewatching this and noticing that, yeah, 224 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.799 they whittled her speech down to its perfect essence, but 225 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.600 if they hadn't shot the coverage, if they didn't have 226 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.440 those shots of the students, they would have been locked 227 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.720 in to her longer version that wasn't as funny. And 228 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:40.960 so I kept noticing how many times they cut away 229 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.960 so her speech could be perfect. So I don't know, 230 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.200 I thought that was some yeah smart, Yeah, this is hilarious. 231 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.559 By the way, Breckenmeier getting his so he's got to 232 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:55.279 jump out the window when he sees his great I mean, 233 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.200 speaking of positivity, I mean, while as Sean for a 234 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:05.360 goofy as his students are, he's very like encouraging, you 235 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.240 know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, like I love the positivity. 236 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.320 Instead of like rolling his eyes at the silly things 237 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.360 they say, He's like, well that's not really on topic, 238 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:15.320 but good insight. 239 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.840 You know, at no point does he say inconceivable exactly exactly. 240 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.159 Well, speaking of cell phones, I mean, this was kind 241 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.440 of a gag right in five where it's like these 242 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.159 two kids are on cell phones and they're like right 243 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:29.639 next to each other. What's the deal? 244 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.799 This was during the pager era for us plebes. 245 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:38.240 Yes, yes, oh, and you know, I oh man, this 246 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.000 is coming fast and furious now. But I I wanted 247 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.399 to call out. I watched this movie. I've seen it 248 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.320 many times throughout the years. I really love this movie. 249 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.919 But I saw it recently at an outdoor screening out 250 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.039 here in Los Angeles. You know, so your your attention 251 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.519 is completely zeroed in on it. It's not just you're 252 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.039 watching the back half on cable or something. And it 253 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.919 really stood out to me. What a amazingly funny script 254 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:02.279 it is. 255 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:03.879 Yeah, Like, this is. 256 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:10.000 A really tightly well written comedy. There's just so many gags, 257 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.080 and there's they're all in character. And the gag that 258 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.039 made me think it here is when she's talking about 259 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.480 her house and she's talking about how it's like historical 260 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.440 or whatever, and she's like, yeah, these columns date all 261 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.440 the way back to nineteen seventy two. It's just these 262 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.879 little things. I mean, it's just really funny, tight writing. Yeah, 263 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.480 that's something I don't think I appreciated until. 264 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.840 I got I think, if I'm not mistaken, this is 265 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.919 this is the first in the wave of these teeny 266 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:44.440 bopper rom coms that were, you know, reinterpretations of old 267 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:45.240 timey works. 268 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.240 Yeah, it became a genre unto itself, right, right, this 269 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.200 is This is inspired by Emma Yes, and then Ten 270 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:57.440 Things I Hate About You eventually exactly right, And there's more. 271 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:05.399 I mean, isn't she all she's all that like uh Pygmalion, right, yeah, Pigmalion. 272 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.919 Yeah right, So Dan. 273 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:10.919 Hidea or as I like to call him live action 274 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.039 most is lack. 275 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.480 Brilliant. Yeah, he's great. I mean, yeah, I heard that 276 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.200 Heckerling just knew what she wanted this character to be. 277 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.559 You know, he's kind of like this bulldog, scary person, 278 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.879 but like Share wasn't afraid of him and actually took 279 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.720 care of him. And they were looking at a few 280 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.320 people and one of them was Harvey Kaititel, but he's 281 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.559 too expensive here. Oh, she really had a type that 282 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:35.879 she's for this dad. 283 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:41.000 But honestly, that was like, I really liked how respectful 284 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:41.879 she is of her dad. 285 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.639 That's true, and he really respects her. 286 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:45.399 Yeah. 287 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.919 Right, He's got this bluster and sort of like I say, 288 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.720 bulldog sort of nature, but he he admires her, you know, 289 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.919 and and her her pluck and her intelligence and and 290 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.000 and rut. There's a really sweet line he says when 291 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.279 he said that Rudd is going to be staying with them, 292 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.320 and she's like, ugh, you know, and he's like, look, 293 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.440 you know, we divorce wives, not children. 294 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:06.840 Yeah. 295 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.120 I just thought that was surprisingly sweet. 296 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.440 Yeah. Yeah. 297 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.759 Oh and Jerry Orbach I think was one of the 298 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.759 first people they had in mind, which I can kind. 299 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:17.879 Of see, I can totally see that yeah, yeah, yeah, 300 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.759 but he kind of did that already, but he did 301 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:22.039 it in Dirty Dancing already. 302 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.039 Oh yeah, you know what, that's probably where she had it. Yeah, 303 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.200 right there. The teacher. That's Twin Kaplan, who was a 304 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:37.279 sort of a producing partner often with Heckerling, you know. 305 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.240 Oh and Paul Rudd speaking of getting older and revisiting this. 306 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.000 When I was fifteen, I did not understand his character. 307 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.519 I didn't get that he was an emo college guy, 308 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.559 you know what I mean. It's like he's introduced playing 309 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.679 you know, Radiohead, and he's wearing an Amnesty International shirt 310 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.360 and he's talking about Marky Mark, you know, being a 311 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.919 philanthropist for being at a tree dedication. I just all 312 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:01.480 all over my head because I don't know that I 313 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.159 knew a person like that at fifteen, right, you know. 314 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.519 And so now it's kind of funny that characterization. 315 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.600 Now now you can look back at that and be like, 316 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.039 get over yourself, yeah right right. 317 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.159 Or there's that scene later where he's, you know, wearing 318 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.799 the black turtleneck and he's got the goatee and he's 319 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:26.960 reading Nietzsche, you know, mita. Yeah, So it's it's kind 320 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.759 of interesting too. I mean the the story of this 321 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:35.600 movie coming together. It originated so Amy. Well, let's talk 322 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.440 about Amy Heckerling really quick. I mean, she did Fast 323 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.960 Times at Ridgemont High, which remains like an all time 324 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:43.000 classic teen. 325 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.120 It's it's a definitive high school movie of the eighties. Absolutely. 326 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:48.360 I was gonna say comedy, but it's really more of 327 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.320 a dramedy. But but then she went on to do 328 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.879 National Lampoon's European Vacation, which I don't know, you know 329 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.279 a lot of people know that or even that's am 330 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.120 I wrong? Is that a little bit of a forgot 331 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:01.080 in vacation film? 332 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.839 I think it is. Yeah, people remember vacation on Christmas vacation. 333 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.759 Yeah exactly, And it's for her that was just like 334 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:13.039 a job, and that one does feel a little off, 335 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.480 you know, next to the other one of the vacation films. 336 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.279 But and I think it wasn't written by John Hughes 337 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:26.799 whereas the other two were. But anyway, so I guess Fox, 338 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.200 I want to say, was looking for a teen show 339 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.279 and they wanted to be about teenagers but not nerds, 340 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.480 this is what they said. So they came to Amy 341 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.440 Heckerling to develop something. This is in nineteen ninety three, 342 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:45.519 and so like her you know, nugget of an idea was, 343 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.359 you know, the most successful character she had ever done 344 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.200 so far was Jeff Spaccolian Fast Times, and her quote is, 345 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.440 people think that's, you know, he's popular because he was 346 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.720 stoned in a surfer, But that's not it. It's because 347 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.079 he's positive. So I thought, I'm gonna write a character 348 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.720 who's positive and happy, and so that's where she came 349 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.400 up with Share. And it's funny because Share couldn't be 350 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.400 more the opposite of Heckerling. Like have you seen what 351 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:09.880 she looks like? 352 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:10.759 Yeah? 353 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.160 Like she she's admittedly, she's like a very New York 354 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.640 kind of cynical person. She you know, has dark black hair, 355 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.160 you know, wears dark clothing and stuff. So it's just 356 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.599 funny that she kind of loves these positive characters, almost 357 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.079 like they're aspirational to her, you know. 358 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:24.799 Yeah. 359 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:29.359 And so anyways, she remembered reading the Jane Austin novel 360 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.799 Emma in college, thought that was a very positive character, 361 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.880 and kind of ran with that and came up with 362 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:40.160 this sitcom. And I think the sitcom was called No Worries, Okay, 363 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.960 And which is kind of interesting right, because if you 364 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.920 look at this film and its structure, it is kind oftic, yeah, 365 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.759 like kind of like helping out, you know, try to 366 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.680 put the connect, create a love connection with the teachers. 367 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:56.720 And then there's sort of the Pismo Beach disaster which 368 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.640 is made up you know at the end, like just 369 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.799 all these little episodic things. Oh and then of course 370 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:08.799 how she attaches herself to Tye later and so well, 371 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:11.720 so then she presented the sitcom and Fox was like, 372 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.880 this is too there's too many like female lead characters. 373 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.279 They wanted something that felt a little there's not a 374 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:23.160 boys in it or something. And so anyway, she was 375 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:25.799 going to put it aside, but her agents and encouraged 376 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:27.759 her like, well, I don't turn into a film. This 377 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.960 feels like it's got some elements that are working. So 378 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.759 she turned it into a movie. Scott Ruden somehow read it. 379 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.839 Bitting war ensues and then Fox doesn't even get to 380 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.440 make the movie, you know, Paramount gets it, and then 381 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.640 it becomes this this classic that's lived on thirty years 382 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:44.319 and going. 383 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:46.880 And then it becomes a sitcom and Fox doesn't get 384 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:47.319 that either. 385 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:53.480 That's true. Yeah, So yeah, it's it's interesting because this movie. 386 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:55.759 I think you could call it a sleeper hit. But 387 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.880 it only made about just under sixty million in the 388 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:04.319 US eighty eight million worldwide. But obviously it's never gone away. 389 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.839 I mean everyone remembers it, remembers things about it whatever, 390 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:08.559 you know. 391 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.279 What of us, I mean against a twelve million dollar budget, 392 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:12.599 that's a that's a massive hit. 393 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.240 Absolutely, and it's it's kind of it. But anyway, so yes, 394 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:20.440 they wanted them to capitalize on that. It's it's whatever 395 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:22.519 you want to call it, popularity called status. And so 396 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.960 then they did a syndicated sitcom, right all. 397 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:27.519 Right, it was well, it was it was part of 398 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.519 ABC's TGIF initially, Oh was it really? 399 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.039 Because I only remember being on Channel fifty. 400 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.359 That might well, well it it was on TGIF, and 401 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.160 then it was on Channel fifty because because UPN picked 402 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:40.440 it up. 403 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:43.680 Oh I see, I see, yeah, which is its So 404 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.880 they didn't get Silverstone back, but they did get a 405 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:51.119 few of the I mean almost everybody, yeah, almost everybody else, Yeah, 406 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:56.640 I because because Stacy Dash, Elisa Donovan Wallace, Shawn trnk Kaplan, 407 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.680 Dan Hillwiya. I mean they I think Paul Rudd and 408 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.960 Alicia Silverstone are the only ones wh weren't in it interesting. Yeah, 409 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.200 but but yeah, it's funny for having the structure that 410 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:11.680 it has. Though it totally works. It's very watchable, like 411 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:16.559 it really moves. Yeah, you know, I was actually watching, 412 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.319 as we do with these older films. I looked at 413 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.960 the Cisco Neebit review and that's basically what they said. 414 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.240 They said when it began and it was sort of 415 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.119 doing that parody of what you think the movie's going 416 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:30.480 to be, where it's showing these teenagers and these like 417 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.480 wild MTV camera movements, and they were like, I think 418 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.759 Eber said his heart sank, like oh no. But then 419 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.079 she made a joke about like I bet you're thinking, 420 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.720 you know, my life looks like a Noxema commercial and 421 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.079 he's like huh, and then they were both in love 422 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:46.359 with it. 423 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.319 Yeah, I remember they really championed it. 424 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.359 Yeah, yeah, and then saying that, yeah, it just it 425 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.720 gets going and never stops, and I feel like it 426 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:55.200 really does. 427 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.279 Think I think with Alicia Silverstone, I mean, this movie 428 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.839 elevated her to a whole different plateau and then and 429 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:10.559 then she parlayed that into Batman and Robin and then 430 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.400 she pretty much decelerated from there. 431 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:16.279 Is that such a bummer. I mean I really probably 432 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.480 covered that on our Batman and Robin commentary, But I 433 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.079 mean it feels like the natural evolution, right, Like you 434 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.000 are this big star, so then you be in a 435 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:25.920 superhero movie. 436 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.240 Hey see, the more things change, the more they stay 437 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:29.720 the same, I know, right. 438 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.119 But I mean obviously that movie George Clooney to this day, 439 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.119 you know, apologizes for it. So obviously nobody came away 440 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.359 from that movie looking good. But she, I think had 441 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.079 an especially difficult time on it. There's a lot of 442 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:47.240 scrutiny just with her her body, yeah, and all sorts 443 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.440 of things just in the not that we've you know, 444 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:53.000 I think people are still cruel, but it was easier 445 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.000 to be more openly cruel I think in that era. Yeah, 446 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.279 that's really shameful to look back on, but it makes 447 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.680 me sad. I mean, she's she's so talented, you know. Yeah, 448 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.799 I think she's continued to pop up, but not in 449 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.519 the way that she did in the nineties. 450 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:12.079 Yeah. Well, so she she headlined a movie the Coast 451 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.359 rank Beniso del Toro, right, I think it was ninety 452 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.079 seven or ninety eight. Yep, I forget what it was 453 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.440 called Excess baggage or something like that. M hmm, I'm 454 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.480 gonna have to look that up. But but that that 455 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.000 one died h and then and then basically, I mean 456 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.599 she she had a she had a show on NBC 457 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.839 a couple of years later called called Mismatch. And then 458 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:37.960 I think recently she was like the mom in one 459 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.720 of the Diary of a WHIMPI kid movies. 460 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.839 Oh that's right. Yeah, and she's in the Yorgo's Lanthemos 461 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:44.960 movie that's coming out. 462 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.160 I can't Oh, okay, I didn't know that. 463 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.240 Uh is it called Bogonia or something like that. This 464 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:52.839 is gonna sound silly a couple of years from now 465 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:59.880 when everyone everyone's seen Bogonia Excess Baggage. I was right, wow, 466 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.279 good memory. 467 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:03.720 Oh yeah, and she was in Blast from the Past 468 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:05.480 with with Brendan Fraser. 469 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.039 Yeah, which I've never seen but seems like it would 470 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:08.519 be cute. 471 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.720 Is Yeah? That cute that's the word. It's it's charming. 472 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:13.759 You know, it's not going to change your life. 473 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:20.240 But yeah, now you Cisto here, you must have some 474 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.920 sort of fondness for him. He's a law and order guy, right, 475 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:23.839 he was. 476 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.240 He played Detective Cyrus Lupo in the in the last 477 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.160 three seasons of the original run of Lawn Order. I 478 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.680 mean it came back right, one of my favorite Lawn 479 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.359 Order detectives. He was great, although in this movie, tell 480 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.960 me he is not the spitting image of Garrett Hedlund. Yeah, 481 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:44.920 it's like they came off an assembly line, like a 482 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:46.359 T eight hundred assembly line. 483 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.920 That's so funny, you know. 484 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.680 Yeah, it is remarkable to look at the young stars 485 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.319 of this movie and realize, like almost to the one, 486 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.960 everyone went on to have a career beyond this movie. 487 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:03.440 M hm, right, I mean Donald obviously, Breckenmeier, you know, 488 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.359 the sisto. You know who's on one of the Chicago 489 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.160 shows now or he's on FBI one of them Dick 490 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.519 Wolf things. Anyway, doing Okay, Stacy dash is like a 491 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.480 right wing lunatic on Fox News. So she's found her niche. 492 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.920 She kind of yeah, posts posts wild sort of thing, 493 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:24.319 conspiracy sort of things. 494 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.640 A couple of years after this, she did a Playboy spread. 495 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.599 Oh interesting. Well, you know what's interesting too, is I 496 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.160 think Silverstone may actually be fifteen or sixteen or something 497 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:33.440 in this. 498 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:38.400 Yeah, she said she was. I think she said she 499 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.680 was eighteen when she made. 500 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.440 This okay, but Stacy Dash was twenty nine. 501 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.680 Well black, don't crack she I mean. 502 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.880 She looks incredible in this, but yeah, she fits right in, 503 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.440 I mean standing next to all these supposed teenagers. 504 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.039 Yeah. It reminds me of you know, on Boy Meets World. 505 00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.960 You know, Sean had that girlfriend who was African American. 506 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.920 Uh huh, and she was substantially older than the rest 507 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:03.440 of the cast. 508 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:04.519 Oh interesting and. 509 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:05.440 Kind of the same drill. 510 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:07.240 You know, that would be kind of you know, and 511 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.160 then the reverse right where you have a screech on 512 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.440 saved by the bell, where he was substantially well younger. 513 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:15.200 I was gonna say, I don't know it substantially, but 514 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:16.799 in teenage years he. 515 00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:18.480 Was younger thaneers. 516 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:23.279 Yeah, I think that made him feel a little ostracized. Yeah, 517 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.680 this classic scene here, this is so funny talking about 518 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.720 how oppressive gym classes is. All the balls are just 519 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:31.599 popping behind it. 520 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.839 I relate. Jim. Class was the hell scape of my 521 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:35.799 high school years. 522 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.559 You know why though, because you had to like run 523 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.559 a freaking mile. Yeah, and then like put your winter 524 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.599 clothes back on, and you know, December or whatever, Jean's 525 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.920 in a sweater and then suddenly you're in Spanish class, 526 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.799 you know, and so you're like, like, this is disgusting. 527 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.000 See. I think for me, Jim class was, you know, 528 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.039 because the rest of the day I could sort of 529 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:04.920 get by on on my banter and my sparkling personality. Yeah, 530 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:06.680 thank you for humoring me there. 531 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.119 Uh huh. 532 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.960 Yeah, but Jim class is where, you know, it was 533 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.160 just laid bare that I was just in absolute shambles 534 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.799 of a man and beyond hope, you know. 535 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.319 You know, there would be certain things where it was 536 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.920 like okay, like we can all do this right, But 537 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.319 then there'd be other I'm trying I don't even remember, 538 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.200 like kickball or something. It's like all right, well you 539 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:31.519 can just kind of hang out in the outfield and 540 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:32.880 the ball is probably not going to come to you, 541 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.240 and then forty mental pass and I'll be in Spanish. 542 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.039 But yeah, then there'd be other things where it was 543 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.319 like all attention was on you and your ability, and yeah, 544 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:42.480 that could be really intimidating. 545 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:47.319 Yeah, there's no pressure quite like the pressure of the 546 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:52.200 clock is ticking. You're playing field of football and and 547 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.839 you're the only one that's open, so they throw that 548 00:27:54.880 --> 00:28:00.000 ball to you right right, You know and you don't 549 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.319 live that shit down, I'll tell you. 550 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:02.480 Yeah. 551 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.359 Yeah. 552 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:06.240 So, by the way, the gym teacher is played by 553 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.720 Julie Brown who. 554 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.000 MTVVJ Julie Brown. 555 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.519 Yes, And I was gonna say, I am aware of 556 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.359 who she is, but I feel like I'm of an 557 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.240 age or generation where I don't really did I had 558 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.720 no well maybe I had. The no cable thing had 559 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:24.480 part to do with it, but I don't really know 560 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.680 who she is. I just know she is. You know 561 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.960 what I'm saying. I don't know, did you. I didn't 562 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.920 even realize that was her. And then also I didn't 563 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.039 realize she acted. I just remembered her being an MTV person. 564 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:43.920 Yeah, I just know the name from from the MTV stuff. Yeah. 565 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.519 Yeah. By the way, so I read this thing that 566 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.640 was kind of funny about Faison. So there's that scene 567 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.200 later where he's shaving his head, which is kind of 568 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.200 funny because it brings about an argument with him and 569 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:53.680 his girlfriend. 570 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.000 But and he was like balding in real life, right, So. 571 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.319 Yeah, So well I read that and then I thought, wait, so, 572 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:01.880 I mean they do in the earlier scenes. I never 573 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.400 paid attention, but now that I'm watching it, every scene 574 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.920 he's wearing a hat until he shaves his head. 575 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:09.920 How funny. 576 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:11.319 Isn't that interesting? That's funny. 577 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.960 He's so Julie Brown in this he's so perfect so 578 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.599 well he plays the Donald Faison character. 579 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.960 Yeah. Yeah, he's just so funny and lovable. 580 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.039 He is he is, He's turk. I mean, yes, it's that. 581 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.279 And he realized that's just him, you know, yeah, yeah, 582 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.519 right right right. So Julie Brown, she was on a 583 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.160 show I didn't I didn't make the connection until just 584 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.400 now called The Edge, which was a sketch comedy show 585 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:41.200 on Fox. It aired from from like summer to it 586 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.440 was like that season ninety two to ninety three. And 587 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.559 that show I remember that was the first time I 588 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.160 saw Wayne Knight. Oh, he was part of the ensemble. 589 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.480 The first time I saw Jennifer Aniston, she was part 590 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:54.240 of that ensemble. 591 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:54.880 Wow. 592 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.920 So that's the first time I saw Julie Brown. 593 00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:57.400 Oh. 594 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.960 Funny, But I didn't, I didn't make that connection. 595 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.920 Well, in speaking of Breakout Cast, I mean, we haven't 596 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.160 talked about Britney Murphy yet. 597 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.319 Yeah. So I had a little bit of a Mandela 598 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.160 effect where my memory of the poster of the film, 599 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:14.960 which if you remember the poster, you've got a Lisa 600 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.839 Silverstone in the middle, kind of looking clueless on her phone. 601 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.480 And my memory was Stacy dashes to one side and 602 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.000 at least a Donovan is to the other. 603 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:22.920 Mmmm. 604 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.359 And I didn't realize until I looked at it. I 605 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.680 was like, oh, that's Britney Murphy on the poster, right, right. 606 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:29.720 She looks very different. 607 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:31.720 She does well, I mean. 608 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:35.000 She just looks different from pretty much anything else we've 609 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:35.559 seen her in. 610 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.799 Yeah, right, And obviously it's hard to watch this and 611 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.480 not take the tragedy of her life into like sort 612 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.440 of imprint that on our viewing of this. Unfortunately, I 613 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.119 know it makes it just it's funny because it's like 614 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.119 you want to just sort of celebrate her, but yeah, 615 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:52.920 just sort. 616 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.839 Of saying her name just like a wave of sadness. 617 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:01.599 What I like about the relationships here is that you 618 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:07.200 can see the cruel version of of share and and 619 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.480 and you know Deane being like, oh, like, let's make 620 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.680 her a little project. But they don't do that. They 621 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.079 actually befriend her, yeah, genuinely. And and again this just 622 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.960 goes to like it had been long enough since I 623 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:22.359 saw this that I had forgotten that. 624 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:23.440 Yeah. 625 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.759 That No, it's like they're they're they actually form a 626 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.519 relationship with each other, and they're not being They're not like, 627 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.839 oh look at her. Why you know, she's our little 628 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.279 you know, science project. You know, it's no let's you know, uh, 629 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:40.200 let's take her in. You know. 630 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.799 Yeah, sort of like the other like can't buy me 631 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.359 love or she's all that. Like a lot of those 632 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.400 things come from a place of there's some sort of 633 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.720 cruelty and cruelty right, and yeah, this movie is just 634 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.960 entirely optimistic, you know everyone. Well, and it's funny because 635 00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.000 going back to the episodic thing, I mean, it's like 636 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.119 the first episode sharing her friend try to create a 637 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.640 love connection with their teachers, and then this is the hey, 638 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.880 this new girl comes to school, it doesn't quite fit in, 639 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.279 and so she decides to help her, you know, fit 640 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.000 into the culture there. Like you know, like it's these episodes, 641 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.519 but they find a really good way of linking it all. Yeah, 642 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.279 but it does sort of reveal that like this must 643 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.039 have been a couple episodes she had in mind. Even 644 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.920 though they do flow, she doesn't make it flow. Well. 645 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.279 Yeah, well and I think that I don't I we 646 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:36.200 can't underestimate the impact of it being Amy Heckerley and 647 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.920 of it being a woman absolutely, you know, imbuing these 648 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.359 characters with life, you know, because you can see you 649 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.440 can see that she's all that. 650 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.039 Version yep, in a movie that kind of objectifies Share, right, 651 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.440 you know, yeah, I mean, you know, look at mean Girls, 652 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.200 well mean girls, Tina Fe obviously wrote the thing, but 653 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.960 you know you can see Share and and Dione being 654 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:10.759 the the the plastics, you know, oh totally, you know, yeah, 655 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.079 I always love this. Just this scene is so cute 656 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.279 where it's like Paul Rudd's observing Share, trying to be 657 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.319 like obi wan Kenobe in a way to tie you know, 658 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.880 and just like teaching her you know, we gotta, we gotta, 659 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.680 we will. First we work on our bodies, then we 660 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.039 work on our minds. And she's like so our word 661 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.039 of word of the day, sporadic, you know. And it's 662 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:33.799 one of my favorite lines in the whole movie, is 663 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.319 when Rudd leaves and you know, like see you later 664 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.200 or whatever, and then ties like hope, I hope not sporadically, 665 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.799 like using the word she just learned. It's so funny 666 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.640 and cute, but she's so perfect too. I mean, I mean, 667 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.839 this is so adorable. He was just watching this Mental's commercial. 668 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.359 Everyone is so perfectly cast in this movie. 669 00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:01.000 Yeah, tell me that commercial does and just take you back. 670 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.079 Right, I mean you think about it like there was 671 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.880 a whole Foo Fighter's commercial or uh music video based 672 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.719 on that commercial, right, like, because it was just so 673 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.239 well known, and it was like, oh, that's a lyrics 674 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.519 they're doing the thing that I know. 675 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:18.880 What was the other? 676 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.519 Oh Beavis and Butter was speaking of Beaves and Buthead 677 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.599 they were watching that earlier. 678 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.239 Makes sense, it's a paramount property. 679 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.760 Oh, I didn't even think about that. 680 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.559 Yeah, because we see Ran and Stimpy and and Beavis 681 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.000 and butthead. Both of those are viacom. 682 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.159 You know what's interesting too, I'm wondering if this is 683 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.079 gonna you'll resonate with this. But I was looking up 684 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.960 its box office and I saw that it came in 685 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.920 second place behind Apollo thirteen, okay, And I was like, oh, okay, 686 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.039 so just place it in context of time in movies 687 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.280 and releases and stuff, which feels like a long time 688 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.320 ago to me. But looking at this movie, it looks beautiful. 689 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.719 I mean, it's just it looks like it was shot yesterday. Yeah, 690 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.039 and so for being thirty yeyears old in nineteen ninety 691 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.440 five me watching a movie from nineteen sixty five, I'm 692 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.360 sure I would. If the movie was good, I would 693 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:07.960 enjoy it. You know, I liked It's a Wonderful Life 694 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.639 at that age. But they looked older, and I could 695 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.400 find myself, Especially seventies films, I always thought they looked 696 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.119 kind of washed out, yeah, you know, and they're kind 697 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:19.440 of brown, you know, yellowish color palettes and stuff. They 698 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.440 just looked old to me. Yeah, But now it feels 699 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.719 like as the thirty year gap moves forward, movies the 700 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:30.639 way that they're either filmed or the way they've been 701 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.320 preserved or whatever, they look a little less. They're more ageless, right. 702 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.760 Well, well, part of that is is the film stocks 703 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.599 utilized through the sixties into the ear least seventies, they 704 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.239 just had a you know, we went from Technicolor, which 705 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.800 was like overly kind of garish, yeah, to you know, 706 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.800 I think I think it's called Deluxe color, which was 707 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.280 more washed out, until we kind of landed at this 708 00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.519 platonic ideal. You know, look, tell me that's not Garrett 709 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.440 Headland's like clone. 710 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:02.800 No, totally totally. 711 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.880 But yeah, I think that's interesting thing. It's a beautiful print. 712 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.360 Yeah, and I wonder if it helps these movies live 713 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.559 on in a way where they're just they they blend. 714 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.320 Like if if a younger person is just scrolling through Netflix, 715 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.400 this may as well look, you know, like a film 716 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.159 that had just been shot five years ago. 717 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.880 You know. Yeah, well I'll tell you you know, because 718 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.599 I started watching it my daughter. She she came down 719 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.119 and she ended up watching the whole thing with me. 720 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.119 She liked it. She she was she was down. I 721 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.719 had to skip past some of the stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 722 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.920 but for the most part, you know, she she was 723 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.519 on board with it. Yeah, she was like, is that 724 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:44.079 ant man? 725 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.360 Oh really? 726 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:46.039 Yeah? 727 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.400 Oh that's funny. I love the Hedea when Ty is 728 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:51.960 sitting in his chair, He's just like, get out of 729 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.320 my chair. 730 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.800 Well, that's that's the thing I was. I saw the 731 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.880 honest trailer for this, and it was like, everybody over 732 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.880 twenty five realizes that that Dan today is the character 733 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.599 you most relate to, right. 734 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.119 It's right, right, But that's not me. It's like, no, 735 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:11.960 that's my chair like that. Yeah, that's the thing that 736 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:13.800 I understand as an adult and even when I eat 737 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.480 over at people's places, I'm like, where do I sit? 738 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.320 I don't assume any chair is open to me, you. 739 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.639 Know, I mean like literally, just in the last week, 740 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.519 you know, you know, my kids, like their cousins were over, 741 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.599 my kids, cousins, and and it was dinner time, and 742 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.039 one of them sat where I normally sit, and I 743 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.239 get my plate. I walk over. As I'm walking over, 744 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.719 one of my kids is like that that's my das's chair. 745 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:44.920 Oh really, yeah, dude, that's hilarious, dude about Okay, So, 746 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.880 speaking of time capsule, the directions they're using here, she's 747 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.400 using a Thomas Guide. Oh wow, instead of ways, you know. 748 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.159 But again, I mean, I'm looking at this image and 749 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.599 I swear this movie could have come out in twenty five. 750 00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.440 But like, it's hilarious seeing her use a tom which, 751 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.320 for people who don't know that was I had to 752 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.320 use this when I was a pa, yeah, because they'd 753 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:06.719 be like, all right, you got to deliver this thing 754 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.920 to god knows where, I don't know where it is. 755 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.920 So you had this thick book and it was basically 756 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.480 imagining an enormous map that had been chopped down into pages. 757 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.840 But it was all out of order. So if you 758 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.719 were looking at, Okay, I'm on this street and I 759 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:26.039 need to get, you know, like twenty blocks north. Well, 760 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.559 obviously it ended because it was a page in a book, 761 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.800 but it wouldn't just be the next page. It would 762 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.320 say like it'd have something like N twenty four at 763 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:34.800 the top, so then you had to look up like 764 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.719 section N twenty four to continue that map twenty pages 765 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.559 somewhere else deep with I'm sure this makes no sense 766 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.800 what I'm saying, but it's just nostalgic and also makes 767 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.800 me like, thank Heaven that I don't have to use 768 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.519 one of those things anymore. They were the worst, But 769 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.039 I didn't know any better. I didn't have ways, you know. 770 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.679 I was just, I said, visiting my parents and I 771 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.320 was driving around and my dad was just like, man like, 772 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.679 how do you You're really good with directions? Like no, 773 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.480 I'm not. I just literally this thing is telling me 774 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.760 which lane to get into to turn left, like I 775 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.480 just it seemed makes me seem impressive, but it isn't. 776 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.960 I like Breckin Meyer. I've always been a fan of his. 777 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.599 Very likable guy. He introduced the movie when I saw 778 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.000 it live. Recently, Oh, no kidding, yea, But yeah, he's 779 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.760 really hung in there, and he's kind of in that 780 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.760 seth Green crowd, you know. 781 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.480 Yeah, I mean, isn't he involved? Yeah? Was he one 782 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:33.239 of the producers of a robot Chicken? 783 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.039 I think so in a you know, voice actor writer 784 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:36.840 kind of thing. 785 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.880 Donald Faison he's another guy on on on robot Chicken. 786 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.280 Hm. You wonder if they kind of became like a 787 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:43.079 little bit of a gang. 788 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.960 I would not doubt it for a second, because because 789 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.840 Donald Faison is is Gary the stormtrooper, you know, who 790 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.760 was to take his daughter with them to work and stuff. 791 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.320 Oh that's funny. I was reading that this was very difficult, 792 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.719 this sucking blow thing, Like they just literally could get 793 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.400 it to work, and so. 794 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.280 They just had to try again and again. 795 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.960 Right, Yeah, the actors are like, we just can't get 796 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.639 it to work. But apparently they had put on like 797 00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.480 a ton of chapstick to make it stick. 798 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.199 Ah, Okay, there you go. 799 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.079 But uh, I wouldn't know. I never played sucking Blow. 800 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.039 I hope somebody takes that little audio clip of you 801 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.199 saying that and just uses it out of context somewhere. 802 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.800 That's funny, Like I just I get these gay like 803 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.559 spin the Bottle and all these things on TV. 804 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.440 I was like, I I didn't do did you? Did 805 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:35.039 you go to parties? 806 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:40.800 Part certainly? Uh, maybe like one or two, but not normally. 807 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.519 I mean I was like I definitely had like my 808 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.639 friend groups and like my comfort but like this was 809 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.199 like a little out outside of my comfort zone. 810 00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.360 Yeah. I don't. I don't remember ever. I mean certainly 811 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.000 not when I was in high school for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 812 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:55.920 you know, I may have attended one or two when 813 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.159 I was in college. Yeah. 814 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.440 This reminds me more of like after work parties, Yeah, 815 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.519 with all the coworkers and we'd end up at someone's 816 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.239 house and there'd be a bunch of people you didn't know, 817 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.760 but like you had your little gang, your little troop. 818 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.840 Yeah, you know, honestly, my recollection is when if I 819 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.159 ever ended up in a place like this, it was it 820 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.000 was too obnoxious for me, Like I just I it's 821 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.960 too noisy, you know, it was not fun, you know. 822 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I probably had a lot 823 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.599 of anxiety about it, like I am I gonna know 824 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.519 anybody whatever, And then you always kind of end up 825 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.920 having not a bad time because you do find someone 826 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.679 to hang out with somebody, find a corner, Yeah, which 827 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.920 all I forgot too. It's there's kind of these funny jokes. 828 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.320 They keep joking about party it's in the valley, which 829 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.280 makes me laugh now because I live in the valley. 830 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:43.400 And then when they go outside, I think later, you know, 831 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:48.599 you hear a helicopter overhead, and that's very much life 832 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.920 in LA there's always a police helicopter in the sky. 833 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.960 So she lives in Beverly Hills. Yes, So what's what's 834 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.480 the drive like from Beverly Hills to the valley. 835 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.119 Well, it kind of depends. I mean, she could take 836 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.639 some streets cut through, you know, through the hill, but 837 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:06.760 I would probably take the four o five to the 838 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.679 one to one to the one thirty four to wherever 839 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.440 wherever this is supposed to be to sound like that 840 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.199 sketch the Californians. 841 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.119 That's I just wanted to I was just cuing you 842 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.480 up for that. 843 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.519 You know, she could have made her way to Sunset 844 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:32.199 and uh, I don't know Fairfax and so the the. 845 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.719 The characterization of Elton is interesting to me in this 846 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:38.920 where you can you can imagine the the more broad 847 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:46.039 strokes version. Yes, and I actually like that they they 848 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:47.960 they make they keep him likable. 849 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:48.880 Mm hmm. 850 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.960 Even yeah, sorry, even with like where we end up 851 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.079 with it as character, they don't they don't make him vile. 852 00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.239 They seemed to keep him in a sort of clueless, 853 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:03.679 selfish zone rather than a calculated predator. 854 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:04.159 Right. 855 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.320 I mean she he does a lot of unwonted touching 856 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.320 which she kind of brushes away and stuff which I 857 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:12.559 hopefully you know, I mean that's probably was probably still happens, 858 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.639 but I was gonna say it was less talked about 859 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.280 and people were probably told less that that was like 860 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.440 bad being I mean where I feel like now it's like, hey, 861 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.840 I feel like that's more of an open conversation these days. 862 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.880 Look, I don't know about you, but I knew plenty 863 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:29.400 of Elton types when I was in high school. Yeah, 864 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.039 and people were more handsy and not in an overtly, 865 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.159 you know, creepy way. But you know, there is more 866 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:39.719 awareness of that, which I think is a good thing. 867 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.239 But I don't see anything in here that that doesn't 868 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.599 resonate with what I remember things being like back then. 869 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.519 Right totally. But yeah, like you said, I mean, no 870 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.519 one's like super arch in this movie, right, Yeah, Well, 871 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.519 that was the joke, by the way, Yes she's her 872 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.639 dad calls and she's by the pool and that helicopter's 873 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.199 overhead and she's like, I'm at a party. He's like 874 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.119 where in kuwait? Yeah, and she's like, no, in the valley. 875 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.800 I think I think the most villainous person in the 876 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.639 movie is is that legal aid you know who gets 877 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:13.719 into it with them at the end. 878 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:18.079 Yes, that's right. Oh yeah, yeah, I would say, oh, 879 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:20.719 here she is. She's talking about sunset and everything. Yeah. 880 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.880 So this is the Californians portion of this movie where 881 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.280 they're arguing over the best directions to get home because 882 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.480 he wants to go home with Share. 883 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.880 He doesn't want to Share Share exactly exactly. 884 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.360 This is so sweet though, like she's her cute, like 885 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.840 her pouty she is that her plan isn't working. So 886 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.000 this this whole thing coming up here with well, we 887 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.639 glossed over the whole funny line. I remember my audience 888 00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.039 laughed really hard where he's like, oh I left my 889 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.960 Cranberry CD out in the quad. She's like very nineteen 890 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.159 ninety five thing to say. 891 00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.960 That's like something you would put in a movie set 892 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.360 in nineteen ninety five. That's make Now. 893 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.360 That is a great point because I saw this and 894 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.360 then last year I saw Empire Records at that outdoor 895 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.800 screening and my friend and I were commenting, it's funny 896 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.960 because now you have these Netflix films where they're period 897 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.480 pieces and they take place in the nineties. But it's 898 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.159 funny watching these movies that feel like period pieces. But 899 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.599 it's like, no, this is actually the nineties. You feel 900 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.079 like this isn't actually even though this movie is a 901 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.840 little more heightened, you know, I think this movie it 902 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:32.159 strikes a really interesting balance, doesn't it. Where they're slightly 903 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.760 over the top, especially in their fashions, but it doesn't 904 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.119 feel like they're on another planet. 905 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:37.800 Right. 906 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.280 Circus Liquor here, This is whenever I pick up my 907 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.760 parents when they come into town at Burbank Airport, I 908 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.280 always passed this Circus Liquor and always right out to 909 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.599 my mom because she's read Emma and I had her 910 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.000 watch Clueless and you know, just to make the one 911 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.480 to ones, and so I was like, hey, look see 912 00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:56.559 this is where she got robbed. 913 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:04.559 See, like, even this sequence, he is being inappropriate, but 914 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.159 it stops before he gets to inappropriate. 915 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.599 Right, Sure, sure does that make sense, you know, yeah. 916 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.159 Yeah, yeah, and he like, he's not. I mean, I'm 917 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.559 gonna be very clear. He leaves her, he shouldn't do that. 918 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:17.519 I was just gonna say, I do. 919 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:18.119 Yeah. 920 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:22.559 The film doesn't make him irredeemable, is my point, right, right, 921 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.440 And I think that is important because to do that, 922 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.760 I think it would get too far outside the realm 923 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:35.719 of what the world the movie is creating, right, you know, 924 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:36.239 it's interesting. 925 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.239 I'd kind of forgot about this part, but yeah, this 926 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.920 this does, you know, show a little bit or reveal, 927 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.840 you know, him thinking that there are classes of people, 928 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.280 that's right and saying are you? And I makes sense? Ty, 929 00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.760 and I don't make any sense. 930 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.519 When I like that she stands up for herself. She's like, 931 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.199 get kiss off, you know, m hm. 932 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.519 Hmm, and that she doesn't feel that way, which I love. 933 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.320 She doesn't view Tie as someone in another class she's 934 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:01.599 trying to bring into her class. 935 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.199 It made me mad seeing his car drive away, because 936 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.480 I'm like, I don't know, I like watching it, I'm like, fine, 937 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.159 you pretend you're pulling away, but you stop. 938 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.760 And he said, this is inexcusable to leave her in 939 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:14.679 the middle of nowhere. 940 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.880 Yeah, that's I remember watching this last night. That part 941 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:19.000 made me really mad. 942 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.719 Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny because I mean even I mean, 943 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.960 this is horrifying, you know, her literally being at gunpoint, 944 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.559 but they still managed to kind of make it kind 945 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.400 of funny. Yeah, in character for her where she's just like, oh, 946 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.400 I can't lie down in this he's a very important 947 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:44.719 designer and he's just like what like you know what 948 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.519 I mean, Like, no matter what happens, and this is 949 00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:49.920 I'm agreeing with what you're saying. Also with the way 950 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.360 they handle Elton. They never like get out of this 951 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.119 zone of fun right exactly, Like even when things go bad, 952 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.800 because they have to. It's a story, right, they still 953 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.920 you know, it's not like not like she sudden suddenly 954 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.840 exits into like some sort of gritty movie. Right, We're 955 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.880 not having at least a little bit of fun anymore. 956 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.400 So. So you said that the Circus Liquor is still 957 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:15.239 it is still open. 958 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.840 Oh yeah, I've never been there, but I've passed it often. 959 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.079 Get a glimpse of rud and his sort of crunchy 960 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.039 college girlfriend. I feel like she's wearing like a beret 961 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.000 or something. Later. Yeah, but again, like I didn't I 962 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:39.159 didn't get it as a kid, you know, it's it's 963 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.480 funny reading research about this, I thought this was very funny. 964 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.119 So basically researching the script, Heckerling sat in on a 965 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.719 bunch of classes at a Beverly Hills high school, Okay, 966 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.840 to sort of get a feel for student culture. And 967 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.360 I was like, how many times did writers in the 968 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.880 nineties do that? The eighties, because Cameron Crow did the 969 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.360 same thing to write his book Fast Times at Ridgemont 970 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.599 High which became the film. And I was like, we're 971 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.280 kids in Beverly Hills high schools just used to the 972 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.920 idea of like a thirty five year old just sitting 973 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:10.320 in on their class to observe them. 974 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.400 That's so funny, you know what I. 975 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.599 Mean, Like, yeah, you know I went and said this, 976 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.360 you know, innocuous thing, and then someone opened a notebook 977 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:18.880 and just started writing it down for some reason. 978 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.039 You know, there were probably far less procedural hoops to 979 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.360 jump through back then too. 980 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:24.159 Yeah. 981 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.840 Sure, you'd probably just roll up me like, hey, I'd 982 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.039 like to sit in Okay. 983 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.559 Yeah, sure, fine, we're making a movie. 984 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.239 Whereas like nowadays, there's like a gauntlet you have to 985 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:37.360 go through, you know, Oh, man, yeah, understandably, but you know, 986 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.159 it was a different world back then. 987 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.480 Yeah yeah, but I mean it makes sense that she 988 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.079 would think that though, too, because I mean that's what 989 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.039 happens for her first movie, you know, with Crew. 990 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:49.280 Yeah. 991 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.079 Yeah, so it's like all right, and you know, honestly, 992 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.599 it kind of makes sense, like you said, there'd be 993 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.519 more hoops now. But I think that all the time. 994 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.480 If I were to write a high school you know, 995 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.360 set comedy these days, I wouldn't even it's just so 996 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.679 different from the world I grew up in. Oh yeah, 997 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.719 I would have to like, you know, observe or something, 998 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.760 because it would just it would make no sense to me. 999 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.119 Well that's really I mean, you know, you say to yourself, 1000 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.239 I'm not old, and then you talk to high schoolers 1001 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.079 and you're like, oh no, I'm decrepit right right right, 1002 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.719 you know, because I went through this all the time, 1003 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:24.000 you know. 1004 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.280 Yeah, well yeah, I mean you've seen years and years 1005 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.360 and years of students come through, and it would be 1006 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.079 interesting if there's some way to track that, you know, 1007 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.840 or I'm sure you can in your mind, but just behavior, 1008 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.679 I'm sure certainly cell phone behavior, just all the ways 1009 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.400 that it's just sort of evolved over time, Yeah, what 1010 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:48.119 you've observed. 1011 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:54.639 Yeah, it's interesting because because you know, I never seriously 1012 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.679 considered teaching K through twelve. You know, for me, when 1013 00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.119 I planned again in teaching, I was like, well, I 1014 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.199 want to teach college, you know, And I think part 1015 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.599 of that was at least this perception that when you're teaching, 1016 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.000 it's certainly high school. It's like, as the teacher, you 1017 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:15.039 almost have to prove yourself to the kids, and I 1018 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.039 think college is just different. Mm. 1019 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:19.400 Sure, does that make sense totally? 1020 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:25.480 You know, but yeah, look, I mean I've been teaching 1021 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.199 for twenty years now, and so think about all the 1022 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.599 social and cultural change that's happened in that span. 1023 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.440 You know, it's funny. You can imagine like the funny 1024 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.079 montage version of it where it's just like, I mean, 1025 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.880 the version I'm picturing in my head because I'm picturing 1026 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.039 older stuff, is like, first it'd be you wearing like 1027 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.079 a headband and a flower power T shirt or something, 1028 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.159 and it's like the nineteen sixties and the seventies is 1029 00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.079 like belt bottoms and a wide up, button up shirt. 1030 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.639 You know, like, yeah, it'd be kind of funny seeing 1031 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:54.920 the version of that that happened to you. 1032 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.440 Think about it this way. When I started teaching, Clueless 1033 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:06.400 was ten years old. Wow, Clueless was recent enough that 1034 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.719 I could make a reference to Clueless and they would 1035 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:10.480 they would understand. 1036 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:14.199 It, right, which, by the way, speaking of references, I mean, 1037 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.280 we can't do a commentary and Clueless and not say 1038 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.360 Coolio and Rolling with the Homies at least once. I 1039 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.480 love that that's their song Rolling with the Homies. 1040 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.599 So this right here, uh might be like the one 1041 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.679 time in the movie where it's most obvious that Cher 1042 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.880 is speaking with Amy Heckerling's voice, which part this like, uh, 1043 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:41.159 boys of my generation don't know how to dress. I'm like, okay, okay, 1044 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:41.760 old lady. 1045 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:43.960 That is hilarious. 1046 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:47.280 That is hilarious. 1047 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.119 And I mean, you know, it's one of those things 1048 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.079 where what's old is new again, right, I mean a 1049 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.360 nineties fashion has kind of come back. 1050 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:56.199 That all as ship's coming back. 1051 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.519 Really Uh yeah, oh you haven't. Well, maybe I'm wrong. 1052 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.480 I mean I'm not paying it to now now. I look, 1053 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.199 as soon as this guy walks in, I'm like, oh, 1054 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.239 he's as gay as the day is long. 1055 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:08.760 Isn't it hilarious? 1056 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:08.960 Though? 1057 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.000 But that's coming from us as adults. Like when I 1058 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:16.199 was fifteen, I'm always like what at the Twitter, I 1059 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.679 was just like share. I didn't get it. You know, 1060 00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.599 it's funny too. I don't know if this was intentional 1061 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:23.840 or not. It feels like it must have been. And 1062 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.800 I read this somewhere. I didn't observe this. But when 1063 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.320 it's pushing in on him at the door, there's a 1064 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.920 news clipping that's posted on the wall that says on 1065 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.320 the road to nowhere as she's looking at him. 1066 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:40.119 Interesting, it's kind of funny, huh, but I but here 1067 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.320 we go another episode the Fallsburg guy and doesn't understand 1068 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:45.760 why he's not falling right back. 1069 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.880 And then, you know, keeping with the movie's kindness, she 1070 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.599 isn't like you're gay, what you you know or something. 1071 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.639 It's just like, oh, then he becomes a friend. 1072 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.639 But what nobody is like that? Which I right, like 1073 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.239 even even you. 1074 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.039 Know Faison's character, Yeah right, yeah. 1075 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.599 It's just like, no, he's like what does he call 1076 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:09.320 him a cake boy? 1077 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:11.960 Or yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's something like or maybe I'm 1078 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.480 miss Swingers or something like Dorothy friend of Dorothy or something. 1079 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.440 Friend of dor Right, But he's not like not using 1080 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.039 the F word for gay people and stuff like that. 1081 00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.760 No, not at all. And it's not like you know 1082 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.719 what I mean, it's just like, yeah, you didn't. 1083 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:28.199 Know, Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean that for sure. 1084 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.159 And I think you and I can both both speak 1085 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.199 to this. I mean, there was rampant homophobia in high 1086 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:35.199 schools in the nineties. 1087 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.840 No, this was like very forward thinking, yes, in this moment, 1088 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.000 for sure. And even you know, I think back on 1089 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:47.239 that episode of The Simpsons, you know which Jo Yeah, yeah, 1090 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.960 like where I just as far as I was aware of. 1091 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.599 I mean, who knows how many gay people had in 1092 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:53.679 my life, But in that moment in time, yeah, like 1093 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.000 you said, it was like completely normal for people to 1094 00:54:56.119 --> 00:55:00.480 use slurs and things just ingest with their friends, right, 1095 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.960 And so I didn't have a lot of exposure to it, 1096 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.719 and it probably made people like that feel like other 1097 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.519 that's right. But then you had a movie like this, 1098 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:12.559 which is treating him as just like, oh, well, this 1099 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.920 isn't going to work out between them, but obviously they 1100 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.639 have a chemistry of a sort, so that now they're friends, 1101 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:19.639 you know. And like I said, I was saying that 1102 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.639 that Simpson's episode where with John Waters where Homer, you know, 1103 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.840 at first can't see the John Waters character as anything 1104 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.079 other than a person he doesn't understand, you know. But 1105 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:33.360 then by the end, you know, he's trying. He basically 1106 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.239 as he's like, Okay, I'm gonna accept this person, He's like, 1107 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.639 what should I call you? What's the word you like 1108 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.159 to be called? And he's like, just call me by 1109 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.440 my name? I don't, you know, Like I don't, and 1110 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:44.920 you know, I'm just I'm a I'm a friend. You know, 1111 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.079 I can be your friend, which for me I probably 1112 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.000 at that time, was another sort of forward thinking, positive thing. 1113 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.159 Yeah. Well, I mean, like this is why it's a 1114 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.199 cliche at this point, this is why representation matters m M, 1115 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.800 because oftentimes, you know, these depictions are how we learn 1116 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:08.000 about other people exactly right. You know, I've I've I've 1117 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:09.960 lost count of how many times I've said to you 1118 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.400 how much you know a zee meant to me in 1119 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.639 Robin Hood? Yeah yeah, you know, but even even like 1120 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.119 sayid and lost and things like that, you know that 1121 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.239 that meant a lot for me, you know, totally totally. 1122 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.280 I mean, like the shorthand I always try to use 1123 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.320 when it comes up about people and differences is like 1124 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.639 the end of the day. We're all God's children, you 1125 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.880 know what I mean, We're all sharing the planet. We're 1126 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.719 all just you know, just trying to we all got 1127 00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:38.639 to get by exactly. So I just chalk it up 1128 00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.960 another point for this movie's uh forward thinking optimism. 1129 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.920 Yeah. Well, and and I think that's another way that 1130 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.920 it has it has remained timeless, you know, mm hmm. 1131 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.760 I think I think that helps, right, I mean that 1132 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.639 that's really the trick, right, because because you want to 1133 00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.719 pepper in enough cultural references and whatever cultural markers that 1134 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.639 situated in a world that the audience watching it understands, 1135 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.519 But you also have to think a little bit in 1136 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.039 terms of but will will this detract from it when 1137 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:17.280 those references no longer have currency? And that's tricky, totally right, 1138 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.199 And I think, like, I think this movie works the 1139 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.960 same way that other movie ten years before this, Back 1140 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.440 to the Future, works, where it uses references as a 1141 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.559 way to situate us in the world of the film. 1142 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.079 But even even outside of knowing those references, were still 1143 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.119 able to understand what they mean to the characters. 1144 00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:48.119 Right, totally, It is very funny that they made Christian 1145 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.119 this kind of rat packy kid, you know, Like again, 1146 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.559 I get it now sort of as a type. 1147 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:57.719 Well, if you remember back then, swing was having like 1148 00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:58.800 a resurgence. 1149 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:00.880 Oh yeah, I'm and they're about to go watch the 1150 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:05.840 Mighty Money Bostones, you know, like with SKA but still yeah, horns, 1151 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:06.920 horns and rock and roll. 1152 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:08.920 But but there was there was like a four year 1153 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.039 window over there where everybody was super into swing. 1154 00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:16.159 Yeah right, yeah, I guess yeah, right around this moment. 1155 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.920 I mean I remember for me where I lived. I mean, 1156 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:21.679 you watch swingers and it feels like it was really 1157 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:27.079 a part of at least socau culture, right. But I 1158 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:28.679 remember when there was that Gap commercial. 1159 00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.719 Oh yeah, that's right, yeah, and that like. 1160 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.519 Really kicked I feel like that kicked off, kicked it 1161 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.320 off for a lot of people, like, oh, this is 1162 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.239 a fun song, you know. And then all these sort 1163 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.039 of modern swing bands were coming out and they were 1164 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.480 played on alternative rock stations. 1165 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:48.800 Wow, geez right, you used to go swing dancing, dude. 1166 00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.239 This is such an embarrassing story, but I know, because 1167 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.280 I don't have a lot of rhythm. But I was 1168 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.440 at a wedding once and this girl was like, Hey, 1169 00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:58.880 do you want to dance? And I was like, I'm 1170 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.639 just letting you know, I can't. I can't dance, and 1171 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.840 she's like, anybody can dance, and she pulls me out 1172 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:05.000 on the floor and she's trying to do all this 1173 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.000 swing stuff, and then at one point she literally said, wow, 1174 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:15.639 you really can't dance. I was like, I know, and Randy, 1175 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.599 you know, ran away crime, but no, my friend's wedding. 1176 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:21.400 I'll never forget it. 1177 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:29.719 But yeah, you you broke her her spirit that day. 1178 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.000 One day. 1179 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.679 I used to believe that anybody she lost her faith 1180 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:38.400 in humanity. Turns out everybody couldn't dance. As she as 1181 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:39.920 she takes another shot, you know. 1182 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.639 Right, exactly another her tail. 1183 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.320 This is so funny where where Paul Rudd glances over 1184 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.840 and he just sees Christian is like keeps dancing with 1185 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:57.079 these guys, right, just oblivious is so funny. 1186 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:03.920 I'm clueless, perfect title. It's a bit, yeah, but it 1187 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.639 isn't that funny. It's not like it's called ditzy, right, 1188 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.960 it's just clueless. Clueless is innocent. 1189 01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.360 That's such a good point. Yeah, that's such. 1190 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.239 A funny joke. Her falling down the stairs and like, 1191 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.840 oh nobody saw that, and that guy like, hey, you're right, 1192 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:27.840 that looked really bad. Yeah, this, you know, this takes 1193 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.000 me back a little bit. It would have been a 1194 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.480 little later, but I remember going to like smaller concerts 1195 01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:35.000 like this, where it'd be like, you know, I'm kind 1196 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.559 of like ska esque, a beat sort of rock stuff. 1197 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.960 I haven't been anything like that in a long time. 1198 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.679 But they'd be like local things. I remember there was 1199 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:46.440 a record store that had an attic and they would 1200 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.119 have things kind of like this, or like churches, even 1201 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.280 like I remember churches would open up and you'd go 1202 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.639 see like a rock concert. And I remember going to 1203 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.840 see this band. I remember, I can't remember what they 1204 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.960 were called, but it was like small and everybody's mohing 1205 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.159 and pushing each other around. And then I remember the 1206 01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.599 lead singer as this woman and she kind of you know, 1207 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.280 and then she like jumped into the crowd and she 1208 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.320 just shoved me. I was like, ah, I can pushed 1209 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.360 to the side. But it was like it was great, 1210 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.719 you know, it was all it was all fun. Look 1211 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.239 at Paul ruts is talking to the adult in the room. 1212 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:23.920 It is pretty funny, dude. 1213 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.159 Her waving with that funny face is like one of 1214 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:27.920 the funniest faces she makes in this movie. 1215 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:28.559 Hi. 1216 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.760 But yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, I so much 1217 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:38.480 more relate now to the Paul Rudd character. Just sort 1218 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.920 of like you go into the room full of kids 1219 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:41.599 and you're like, oh, here's the manager. I'll talk to 1220 01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:42.559 the manager for a while. 1221 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.239 That is pretty funny. 1222 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:48.519 But this is such a sweet moment right where ties 1223 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.880 all alone. So then he dances with her. 1224 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.280 Yeah, and he dances just all goofy. 1225 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.119 Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't care. An idiot, he doesn't care, 1226 01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:01.440 and he's probably having the most fun. And I love 1227 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.440 that shares, you know, the type of character who had 1228 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.239 noticed that and not be I think it's cringe. I 1229 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.480 think it's embarrassing. It's endearing to her. 1230 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:15.280 She likes it. Yeah. So I can't remember, did you 1231 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.199 say you saw this in the theater when it came out. 1232 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.519 I don't think I saw it in theaters, but I 1233 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:25.039 know I saw it like on VHS in the moment, okay, 1234 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:27.880 And then it was one of those things where you know, 1235 01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.719 I'm almost embarrassed to say, like it feels so like whatever. 1236 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.679 But like back in the day, it was definitely like 1237 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.880 there were boy movies and there were girl movies. And 1238 01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:38.000 I don't know if that's such a thing anymore. But 1239 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:42.519 like I kind of remember thinking that, like this felt 1240 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:44.079 like it could be a girl movie. And I don't 1241 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:45.400 know why I watch it, probably because at least a 1242 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.800 Silverstone is in it. Yeah, and those Aeros videos did 1243 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.719 a number on me. But then you watch it and 1244 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.239 this is just a movie for everybody. Yeah, you know, 1245 01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.159 it's just a solid, feel good, well written movie, and 1246 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:01.920 it's just it's always kind of been there. And I 1247 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.440 remember been watching it on DVD and just whenever it's 1248 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.320 on TV, stopping on it. And then yeah, so I've 1249 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:09.639 seen this like a handful of times. 1250 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.440 Kind of a comfort food movie for you. 1251 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:25.000 Definitely, definitely, Yeah, Christians, like, hey, these guys. I was 1252 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.159 reading also for the character of Josh played by Paul 1253 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.679 Rudd that Ben Affleck and Zach Braff tried. 1254 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:33.360 Out for them for that char Zach Braff, there you 1255 01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.840 go to see that we we missed out on that pairing. 1256 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.760 Who knows that pairing could have been a superpower even earlier. 1257 01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.320 It was, but it was destined to happen. It's a 1258 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:48.280 cannon event exactly exactly, just the can got kicked down 1259 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:49.679 the curve. But it had to happen. 1260 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.239 Yes, I can see both versions of that, by the way, 1261 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.519 I absolutely can. But there's a just an inherent sweetness 1262 01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.599 with Paul Rudd that you just can't He's he's perfect, 1263 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:00.480 you know. 1264 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.719 Yeah, No, I agree, because because if you think of Affleck, 1265 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:11.559 that's circa fashionable male m right, Malrat's Ben Affleck can't. 1266 01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:15.320 I can't slot him into this, no, yeah, because he 1267 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:16.960 had kind of that douchey vibe. 1268 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.199 Yeah yeah, right, yeah, and I know I'm thinking of 1269 01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.280 that character from All Rats, but for sure, because I 1270 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.679 mean he's yeah, there's like an edge to him, a 1271 01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:26.880 very look. 1272 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.199 I like Ben Affleck as an actor. I think he's great, 1273 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.440 but I think he has matured into a great actor. 1274 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:39.400 I think you know, like you know what this would 1275 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.519 have been before Chasing Amy, right, yeah, yeah, Chasing Amy 1276 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.719 was like ninety seven, I think, and I mean watching 1277 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.199 Chasing Amy with about thirty years of hindsight, you're like, boy, 1278 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:54.440 he is a douche right, right, right, I mean that's 1279 01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:57.000 the character that Kevin Smith wrote, but like you realize 1280 01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.920 with much more clarity, like he is not a like 1281 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.480 or smart person, this guy that Ben Affleck plays, right, 1282 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:07.000 and he does a good job playing that yeah. 1283 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:12.920 Yeah, it's been a while. I'd be interested to revisit that. 1284 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.280 That that movie is a weird one man, because I 1285 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.039 would say, uh, you know, and we've had this conversation before, 1286 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:22.239 but but those the early indie movies of Kevin Smith. 1287 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.559 So I'll put mal Rest to one side. But Clerks 1288 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.840 and Chasing Amy, those were the types of things that 1289 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:28.800 certainly for me, I was like, hey, I could do this. 1290 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.760 Yeah, oh yeah, right, but. 1291 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:37.440 There is I think I think out of all of those, 1292 01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.599 I think Clerks holds up the best in my opinion. Yeah, 1293 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:42.800 Chasing Amy does kind of make me cringe a little 1294 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.000 bit A few times. I've revisited it since. 1295 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.320 Yeah, i'd like to do that. I saw Dogma again recently. 1296 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:50.880 Yeah, how did that hold up for you? 1297 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.000 Pretty well? I think you know, it's uh yeah, I 1298 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.440 think for the most part, holds up pretty well. And 1299 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.960 you know, he's always so self deprecated about his direction, 1300 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.079 and I mean, you can critique it a little bit, 1301 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.320 but like, I don't know, that movie doesn't look too bad. 1302 01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:10.239 The Shit Monster. 1303 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.239 But see that's like one of the sort of like okay, 1304 01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:16.320 we'll give you that one because there are some fun 1305 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:22.920 sort of monologues and insights elsewhere, but you know, much 1306 01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.920 funny by the way, I was clocking that moment with 1307 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.880 He's you know, she's waiting for Christian to call and 1308 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.000 you see the cell phone like the Monolith in two 1309 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.960 thousand and one, which is hilarious and it's funny because 1310 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.519 and even recently the Barbie movie, right, yeah, she's treated 1311 01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:41.960 like the Monolith, and it just made me think, you know, 1312 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.079 I didn't know what that was when I first saw 1313 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:48.440 this movie, but then I get a little bit older, 1314 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:50.119 you watch two thousand and one, you see this and 1315 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.039 you go, oh, that's funny. That's really clever, and even 1316 01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.599 just esthetically not understanding it, it's kind of funny. And 1317 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.599 it made me think. You know, writing on for children's 1318 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.960 television as much as I do, a lot of times 1319 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:03.920 you'll get a note that says kids won't get this, 1320 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.239 and I'm always like, yeah, but there were so many 1321 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:10.119 things on the shows I watched when I was growing 1322 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.679 up I didn't get and I was rewarded later in 1323 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.400 life for it. You know, when I finally saw Citizen 1324 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.760 Kane was like, oh, I think the Simpsons have recreated 1325 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.519 ninety percent of this movie, and I didn't realize it's 1326 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:25.400 really true, you know, and I'm really endeared. I love 1327 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.719 Citizen Kane because I do think it's a genuinely good movie. 1328 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.440 But I also feel strangely endeared to it because I 1329 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.480 was exposed to it in so many ways when I 1330 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:33.880 was a kid without realizing it. 1331 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.400 You know, what I would love is for somebody to 1332 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:42.800 cut together a chronological version of Citizen Kane using only 1333 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.480 all the different Simpsons references. 1334 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.960 That would be amazing, right, yeah, yeah, I mean so 1335 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.079 all I'm saying, though, I think there's value in it. 1336 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.760 I think if it pleases the creative, you know, the 1337 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.880 creator of the thing, great. It can work as just 1338 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.280 a funny, surface level joke. Great. And then also, so 1339 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.320 what they don't get it, they will, and they're gonna 1340 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:04.440 like appreciate you for it. 1341 01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.000 Well, you know, I'll go back to the thing we've talked. 1342 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:09.960 We've mentioned it a few times. A haircut. You can 1343 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.039 set your watch too. Yes, it turns out it's a 1344 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:17.079 it's a reference to nothing, as we found out, But 1345 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.800 it doesn't matter because it's funny, and you internalize it 1346 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.079 as a kid, you weren't like, well what does that mean? 1347 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:24.760 Yeah? 1348 01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:25.239 Right? 1349 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.279 Yeah? And then you know what now I may may 1350 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:32.479 put it in something and now it is a reference exactly. 1351 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.399 Yeah, No, I I agree, I mean that there. I 1352 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.000 don't think we give kids enough credit in that regard 1353 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:41.560 because because they'll still be able to think something, you know, 1354 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.520 using another Simpsons joke, the street car named Marge, right, 1355 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:51.239 the whole well, geez, that whole episode, right, but the 1356 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.800 Great Escape parody, Yes, well, it's no less funny not 1357 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:56.520 having seen. 1358 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:57.479 The Great Escape. 1359 01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.439 Yeah, and it's just funnier once you have. 1360 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.439 Yeah. Oh, and then that moment with the birds right 1361 01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.880 where Homewerk gomes in there to get Maggie and all 1362 01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.039 the kids have been released, and it's like the scene 1363 01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:09.840 from The Birds where they have to walk slowly and 1364 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:12.319 in fear with all the birds around them. As a kid, 1365 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.279 I knew it had to be referencing something, but I 1366 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.439 didn't know what it was, and it was just freaking 1367 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:19.520 hilarious on its own. 1368 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.439 Yeah. Yeah. 1369 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.680 By the way, we missed a very important line, maybe 1370 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:28.680 the most important line in the entire movie, during one 1371 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.279 of the sweetest scenes where Cher's letting her hair down 1372 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.359 literally and she's hanging out with you know, Paul Rudd 1373 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:36.039 late at night and they're just chilling on the couch 1374 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.359 and he says something about like, oh, you don't want 1375 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.560 to be seen hanging out with your brother, and chery goes, 1376 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.640 you are not my brother. Very important. 1377 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:52.640 She turns to the camera. Everybody got that, exactly, exactly? 1378 01:09:53.600 --> 01:10:01.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is kind of a sweet thing too, 1379 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.279 like everything thus far has kind of worked out for her, 1380 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:08.720 and so seeing her being ambitious for herself and things 1381 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:12.720 not going her way, it's kind of a different angle 1382 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:13.079 we get. 1383 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:14.880 Yeah, she plays on the road. 1384 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.119 Yeah. By the way, I wanted to point out also 1385 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.680 when they're having that conversation about the breadstick and the penises, 1386 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:24.640 I read that that was written in the script to 1387 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:28.880 take place at California Pizza Kitchen. But the CEO didn't 1388 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:32.199 love that, talking about their breadsticks looking like penises. But 1389 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.279 I thought i'd bring it up because anytime you and 1390 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:37.800 I get together, we always go to at least once 1391 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:39.199 to California Pizza Kitchen. 1392 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.479 Well, it's funny that you say that, because them just 1393 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:44.920 for whatever reason, I got a CPK vibe. 1394 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:46.239 Oh did you really? 1395 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:47.800 Isn't that funny? Yeah? 1396 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.760 So well, there you go. She she got with the director, got. 1397 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:59.720 What she wanted. Ultimately, she did yeah, yeah, yeah. 1398 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:04.439 Here he's basically laughing at her, at her exactly, Yeah, 1399 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:06.199 like aget, how clueless she. 1400 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:16.640 Is, oscar wild reading right right right streisand ticket holding. 1401 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:23.880 He's so man. I don't understand why he doesn't pop 1402 01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.960 up in more things. He's just such a really enjoyable presence. 1403 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.680 But he was just wasn't He was just on a 1404 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:31.880 show with John Cryer. 1405 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.199 Oh don't I know it. I went to a taping 1406 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:34.439 of that. 1407 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:37.239 Oh okay, yeah, and I don't I think that show's 1408 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.680 done right, I don't think yes, But they're bringing back 1409 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:40.920 scrubs as of this recording. 1410 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:44.560 Oh well there you go. Yeah, which hilarious. By the way. 1411 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:52.800 The freeway thing, it's just just screaming. 1412 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.680 I so relate to fear of the highway, yeah, because 1413 01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.520 that was definitely a thing for me when I first 1414 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.039 started dry. I mean, no matter what, I wanted to 1415 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:01.880 stay off the highway. 1416 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:08.119 Yeah. You know what's funny. My brother in law, he 1417 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:12.439 is from New York, and he, I mean, he's I'd 1418 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.279 be afraid to drive New York, you know, But when 1419 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:21.119 he was out in LA he was afraid of yeah, 1420 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.079 the freeway, and he didn't want to merge and he 1421 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.159 would always have me drive, and I was it just 1422 01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:29.399 didn't occur to me. It's completely understandable. By the way 1423 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.479 I mean is it's a whole skill set. 1424 01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:39.199 LA highways are to be fair, you know, something else entirely. 1425 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and in a way I feel well, actually, 1426 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.199 I was just in Oklahoma visiting my parents, and my 1427 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.239 mom doesn't like driving me on the freeway even there. 1428 01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:50.399 But for me, I was like, oh my gosh, this 1429 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:54.000 is like bike But so in a way, I'm kind 1430 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:57.279 of glad I've been conditioned a little bit, you know, yeah, 1431 01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:01.840 so everything else feels easy. By the way, this is 1432 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:06.239 the west Side Pavilion Fashion Square shopping mall, which is 1433 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:07.760 a couple of blocks from where I live. 1434 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.840 Have I been here probably yeah, But. 1435 01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.760 Seeing it now, I'm like, oh wait, yeah, I recognize 1436 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.800 that those like awkwardly placed escalators and you have to 1437 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.079 walk like all this distance just to go back upstairs. 1438 01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:22.439 I think this is the most dated part of the movie. 1439 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.159 Is a mall full of people, and. 1440 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:28.000 I know, well, yeah, they referenced the Galleria earlier, which 1441 01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.439 just man, that was just the pinnacle of mall culture, 1442 01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.520 wasn't it. That was like the Mecca of yeah, seemingly 1443 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:38.359 back in the day, which is sad because it used 1444 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:40.279 to be this indoor mall and it was it's in 1445 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.880 fast times and all sorts of things Commando yeah, oh sure, 1446 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.399 reference and Terminator two. But it's been remodeled. Now it's 1447 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.880 an outdoor mall. And unfortunately, I mean, aside from like 1448 01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.359 a cheesecake factory in the movie theater that I go to, 1449 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.319 there's not much else that's depressing. 1450 01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.680 Yeah, it's funny. I think it's because of Commando. I 1451 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.479 saw Commando at a formative age, and as a result, 1452 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.359 every time I would go into any mall, I would 1453 01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:07.840 be like mentally plotting out action sequences. 1454 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.600 Oh dude, absolutely right, Yeah, dude, I had a script. 1455 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.159 I probably shouldn't imagine you share it. But like it 1456 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:16.960 was back in the day, it was literally supposed to 1457 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.800 be die Hard in a mall with the mall security. Okay, 1458 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:22.920 but it was just like I loved malls. I loved 1459 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.039 I thought they were very cinematic because you have all 1460 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.520 the different stores with little different worlds that you can 1461 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:31.399 step into, right, you know. But yeah, now malls just 1462 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:33.560 I don't know, just they're empty. 1463 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:42.439 Yeah, it's it's unnerving. Yeah, yeah, I should say. Actually, 1464 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.399 just last time I was in Chicago, I made a 1465 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.159 ceremonial trip to the location of what used to be 1466 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:50.279 Stratford Square. 1467 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:54.079 Yeap, it are mall, the mall of our youth. 1468 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.279 Returned to the earth from whence it came. 1469 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:57.880 Oh so sad. 1470 01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:00.600 It no longer exists. 1471 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.760 But speaking of getting older, as we've been referencing a lot, 1472 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.319 if I've learned anything, it's that nothing lasts forever. 1473 01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.279 Man, that is true. 1474 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:13.479 Yeah, your favorite restaurant shuts down, the mall you you 1475 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:18.600 grew up going to gets leveled. Just the way of things. 1476 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:23.680 It's the way of things. So I I want to say, 1477 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:28.880 I think for me this plot thread of like Share 1478 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:33.479 feeling jealous of Tie getting all the attention that that 1479 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:37.399 that's the only slightly sour note for me, Like, it 1480 01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:41.760 doesn't it doesn't ring true to the way either of 1481 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:43.359 these characters have been depicted to me. 1482 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.560 Yes, yep, for Tie having this kind of turn, Yeah, 1483 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.159 is that what you mean? He sort of like we're. 1484 01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:54.840 Shit and and even Share being jealous. You know, it 1485 01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:56.399 feels off somehow to me. 1486 01:15:56.760 --> 01:15:58.239 Sure, I do like it. 1487 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:03.239 It feels like a necessary plot complication. Yes, because because 1488 01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.199 you know, we're we're however, you know, we're we're an 1489 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.319 hour and ten in and it's like, oh, we need 1490 01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.039 to like, you know, kind of shake up the edges 1491 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:15.720 sketch a little bit. But it feels like, oh, we 1492 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.600 need to introduce something so that we have something to 1493 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:19.840 resolve totally, you know. 1494 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:23.840 Totally Yeah, No, I hear you, right, because because. 1495 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.000 The inciting incident feels like it comes out of nowhere, 1496 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.800 which is those jam mosses, Yeah, at the mall trying 1497 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.319 to throw over, and then the way in which everybody's like, 1498 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:36.359 oh my gosh, you almost died and she becomes a celebrity. 1499 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:38.159 None of that reads real to me. 1500 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:44.039 Yeah, you know, I I hear you. I it does 1501 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:45.640 feel like I'm going back to it. And I don't 1502 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.199 mean this in a bad way, but kind of sit commy, Yeah, 1503 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:48.920 you know. 1504 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:50.159 What I mean. Yeah, it feels like, oh, this is 1505 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:50.880 this episode. 1506 01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:55.279 Yeah yeah, But yeah, I agree with you. I mean, obviously, 1507 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:58.000 at this point, just structurally, she needs to be thrown 1508 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.239 and feel like she's losing everything so she can use 1509 01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:04.600 what she's learned along the way to win everything back. 1510 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:05.119 Right. 1511 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:10.239 But oh, by the way, Red wearing that Kansas University 1512 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:12.680 of Kansas hat, which kind doesn't make sense because he 1513 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:14.399 doesn't go to college there in the film, but Paul 1514 01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:16.039 Rudd went to the University of Kansas. 1515 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:17.399 Nah, see there you go. 1516 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:19.520 Yeah, but no, yeah, I hear you, but it is 1517 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.039 It is kind of fun watching her version of feeling 1518 01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:27.239 thrown since she's so confident, like even this, like she's 1519 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:32.239 so her body language, her face, like no one else 1520 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.640 could have made that role as endearing as silver Stone did. Yeah, 1521 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:42.359 it's so funy. The driving instructor was. 1522 01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:44.840 This like your road test when you when you got 1523 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:48.000 your license? Thank goodness, Now did you pass it on 1524 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:48.600 your first try? 1525 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:53.279 I did. I have a very embarrassing story, though, I 1526 01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:03.520 because she's so adorable. I did. Yeah, I passed. And 1527 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.119 then I came back and I met my mom at 1528 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:08.199 the TV and we were walking and I saw a 1529 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:09.920 girl from school, and I was like, we did it, 1530 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.159 you know, because you're feeling such relief. And as we 1531 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:15.920 walked away, and my Mom's like, Brian, I don't think 1532 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:20.119 she passed, but I just wasn't clocking her body language, her. 1533 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.399 Body yeah, And I was like, oh no, that's funny. 1534 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.159 I think about that to this day. I feel somethhing. 1535 01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:29.920 But thank goodness. You know on TV it's always you 1536 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.760 got to do the parallel parking right right, And I 1537 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.479 didn't have to do that. I had to back around 1538 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:39.840 a corner. Okay, right, so you reverse around a corner 1539 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:41.079 without bumping the curb. 1540 01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:42.680 Which is yeah, I had to do that too. 1541 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:43.880 Is that interesting? 1542 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:44.520 Yeah? 1543 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:46.600 I mean I can imagine out here you do so much. 1544 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.159 Speaking for where I live, so cal but there's so 1545 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.520 much parallel parking. You definitely should be a part of 1546 01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:54.520 the test. But I guess just where we grew up, 1547 01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:55.640 they figured it didn't matter. 1548 01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:59.560 Yeah, and are you how did you do? I failed 1549 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:00.199 my first time? 1550 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.399 Oh really? What what was it? 1551 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:09.039 So? I this was the DMV in in Schomberg, next 1552 01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:10.720 to where there used to be that tower records. Do 1553 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.520 you remember? I do off off of Higgins or golf 1554 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:17.279 or whatever. So so I took I I went, and 1555 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:20.039 I did very well. Like you know, we drove around 1556 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:21.880 the back roads. Everything, everything was fine, and it was 1557 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:26.119 literally the instructor was like, all right, just just turn 1558 01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:29.479 in here and and uh park and we'll get you 1559 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:32.520 your license. Oh no, And I'm like okay, And so 1560 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.199 I look back to change things and it was like 1561 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.479 a winding road. And I looked back, like a split 1562 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.359 second too long, and I and I looked back, and 1563 01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:46.560 and I wind up on an island, you know. And 1564 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:48.800 and according to this is how my brother describes it, 1565 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:50.920 because he was there waiting for me, yeah, he says. 1566 01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:53.960 He says that he was waiting outside he saw the 1567 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.520 car coming up, and he's like, oh, like I made it. 1568 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:59.119 And so he turns around and he starts walking in 1569 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.399 and he hears this loud thought and he turns around 1570 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:05.399 and he just sees my hubcap rolling away. 1571 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.439 Oh no, I'm. 1572 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.319 On this island. And I look over at the instructor 1573 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.520 and my hand to god. She goes, well, never mind, 1574 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:19.359 and she tears the thing. No, dude, that sounds like 1575 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:23.640 out of a teen movie. This is absolutely true. She's like, well, 1576 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:26.359 back up, let's get you back in. So as I'm 1577 01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:30.399 backing up again, not making this up, I'm backing up 1578 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:34.479 and red behind me. There was a cop. No, and 1579 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:37.880 he gets out and he's like, can I see your license? 1580 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:43.159 And the instructor goes he's trying to get one, dude. 1581 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:46.960 This is out of like a sitcom. This is insane. 1582 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:48.479 Every word of that is true. 1583 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:51.640 It kind of reminds me of like something about Mary, 1584 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.880 where everything's going wrong for Stiller in that bathroom and 1585 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:55.600 then there's like the dad at the door, and then 1586 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:57.520 there's a fire chief, like what's going on in ear 1587 01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:00.000 just compounding like how terrible you feel? 1588 01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:02.920 It was a cascade. Yeah, so that was attempt to 1589 01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:06.159 number one, and then a week, a week or so 1590 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:08.560 whatever the you have to wait a certain amount of time. 1591 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.119 I went back with my dad and I got it that. 1592 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.560 Oh good, Well, I'm glad you could do it so quickly. 1593 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:13.640 Yeah. 1594 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:15.600 Oh man, I remember that was like the biggest deal 1595 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.159 in the world. I thought like life couldn't begin until 1596 01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:19.000 I had my license. 1597 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:20.800 Yeah, yeah, sure. 1598 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:22.439 Yeah. 1599 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.439 It's weird, you know, because you know, my oldest he's 1600 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.039 got his license and he drives all the time. My 1601 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:31.159 second one he got his permit, but he's been in 1602 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.199 like no hurry to do his practice, and he just 1603 01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:36.079 he's like whatever, I've heard that. 1604 01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.520 Wait, is he like whatever? Did he make mcaw overs 1605 01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:40.720 for it? 1606 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:42.960 He's very amber. 1607 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:47.560 Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. It's very interesting to me 1608 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.960 because it's just so opposite of what it was like 1609 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:50.239 for me. 1610 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.319 Yeah. I think maybe he sees how his older brother 1611 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.319 is like Aaron guy, and he's like, I don't want 1612 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.159 to deal with that shit. Yeah, sure, I'd rather I'd 1613 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:03.439 rather be be driven, you know. 1614 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:10.119 Yeah. But by the way, this conversation, this friction feels 1615 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:14.079 a little bit more organic, Yeah, with the bringing the 1616 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:18.039 brother into yeah, like because clearly she's kind of harboring 1617 01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.840 feelings for him but a little confused about like making 1618 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:23.520 sense of them and saying he's not right for Tie, 1619 01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:25.560 and Tie taking offense to that, like also he's not 1620 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.880 good enough for me, and yeah, this this feels I 1621 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:35.960 think well done. I also think it's kind of a 1622 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:38.720 sweet moment where she's got that shoe box full of 1623 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.119 things and you know, letting go and throwing them into 1624 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:44.960 the fireplace, right, and it just feels like, yeah, I 1625 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:46.760 used to have like a shoebox that stuff. Like she's 1626 01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:48.640 got these funny little things like oh, this was a 1627 01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.399 towel that he handed me the head ice in it, 1628 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:53.319 Like you know, you used to have these little totems 1629 01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:58.960 that yeah, like that that you would cling to. Is 1630 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.239 ro Deo Drive speaking a pretty woman. 1631 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:07.520 Earlier, weren't we here when we went to that awards show. 1632 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:15.239 Yes at the hotel across the street. I think, yeah, wow, Yeah, it. 1633 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.680 Was a couple of years back. It was the Hollywood 1634 01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:20.520 Critics Association. We went to that award ceremony. 1635 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.159 Yeah, it's great. It's a great, great venue. I mean 1636 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.359 it's a obviously, it's a really nice area. By the way, 1637 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.800 I got a swanky very well. You just got to 1638 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.399 point out this house real quick, this sort of storybook 1639 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:36.880 witch looking house which is in Beverly Hills. And I 1640 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.159 was curious about it because I've driven past it, but 1641 01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:40.840 because we were doing this commentary, I was like. 1642 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:41.239 What is that? 1643 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:47.079 So basically it was it was designed by a Hollywood 1644 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:50.399 art director, Harry Oliver in nineteen twenty one as an 1645 01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:54.000 office at a Silent film studio, and then it was 1646 01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:58.560 eventually moved and restored and became like a house. Wow, 1647 01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:00.399 and it just sticks out like it just like this 1648 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.279 like snow white looking sort of house in the middle 1649 01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:04.079 of this Beverly Hills. 1650 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.600 Yeah. Love this. 1651 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:09.680 I love Josh. 1652 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:11.720 I know, it's a perfect shot. 1653 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:18.399 It's great that fountain. Also just two quick rodeo stories. 1654 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:20.600 So I've whenever I have friends and family, this is 1655 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.279 kind of sweet because you do it is like a 1656 01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:23.800 little bit you have to be like, okay, wait, no, no, 1657 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:26.680 they're not related. They're not related. But they do this 1658 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:28.520 little montage and you're like, oh, they are kind of 1659 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:31.399 cute together. And then this where she's immediately can't even 1660 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:35.319 sit comfortably next to him, like she is so great 1661 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:38.000 in this this role, you know what I mean. 1662 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:43.119 Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to pull off, you know. Yeah, 1663 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:46.960 although you have to say, I mean, Paul Rudd circa clueless. 1664 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.720 And then what was it? Object of my affection? He 1665 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:52.279 had a little bit of manic pixie dream boy energy. 1666 01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:57.560 Oh sure, right, sure he was. He was the trope. 1667 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.439 She's watching the news. I thought they declared peace in 1668 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:06.760 the Middle East. Okay, okay, So I have to tell 1669 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:09.159 this rodeo drive story. So I brought my parents there 1670 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:11.720 just to walk around and see it, and we went. 1671 01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.039 I was like, let's go in a shop. I don't know, 1672 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:16.000 I've never been in. Let's see what it is. So 1673 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.199 my mom was like, well, the purse is kind of cute. 1674 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:22.399 So immediately it was the opposite of pretty woman. They like, 1675 01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:26.000 couldn't like be more interested in us, And they were like, oh, 1676 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:28.199 so this this person whatever you know, this I don't 1677 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:29.760 remember how much it costs. But it was like, you know, 1678 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:32.399 a couple thousand dollars or something here, you know what, 1679 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:34.760 let me go back and I'll go. I'll fish went 1680 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:39.960 out for you. And so the salesperson leaves to go 1681 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.039 into the back and my mom turns to me and 1682 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:49.239 whispers help. I was like, we have to go. 1683 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.680 So did you leave before the clerk came back out? No. 1684 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:54.680 I think we were nice about it, but she she 1685 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:56.920 couldn't have been nicer. So it wasn't a. 1686 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:58.159 Couple of grand for a purse? 1687 01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:03.119 Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, the right bag, Zachie. You know, 1688 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:04.840 you could be talking who knows. 1689 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:06.760 See you know this? So this is this is you 1690 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:09.159 know what I've always been like a like a T 1691 01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:11.319 shirt and jeans kind of person, you know, And I'm like, 1692 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.079 I'll just go to Target and get some jeans. That's 1693 01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:16.239 always been me, you know. And so you know, now 1694 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.000 I got these kids who are who are all into 1695 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:22.199 you know, name brand things and whatever. And you know 1696 01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:27.279 the problem is that the barriers to getting this stuff 1697 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:31.479 have decreased. Right Like when we were kids, well, you know, 1698 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:34.079 it took a while for us to get credit cards, 1699 01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:37.399 and even then we started like you know, we were 1700 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:40.199 conscious of the money we were spending, right, Yeah. But 1701 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:42.119 what I have with these kids is, you know, they're 1702 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:44.359 just like, oh, just give me, you know, Oh, let 1703 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:46.960 me get on Amazon on my mom's phone and I'll 1704 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.279 just order this thing right, you know, and it's like 1705 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.920 I'll pay you back. And I'm like, first of all, 1706 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:56.640 they never do. And what I never thought I would 1707 01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.760 say as often as I do, are we the Rockefellers. 1708 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:05.239 And I didn't know that's a sentence I didn't realize 1709 01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:06.239 would be recurring. 1710 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:12.920 That's hilarious. Yeah. I wish I could remember the actress 1711 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:14.840 because I would make this story way way better. But 1712 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.840 I remember recently seeing some actress being interviewed and she'd 1713 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.359 had some sort of like name, you know, designer bag, 1714 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:23.720 and someone called it out and she went, oh, this 1715 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:27.319 is fake. And I kind of admired her for doing that, 1716 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.720 you know, like not trying to create some illusion that like, oh, 1717 01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:32.439 everything I own is this and if you want to 1718 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:35.199 be like me or feel like you fit in and 1719 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:37.079 you know, whatever world do you think I exist in? 1720 01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:38.960 And just for her to be so honest, like, oh, 1721 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.560 it's not real and this isn't real, that's good yeah, 1722 01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:44.000 I just can't remember who that was. But by the 1723 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:46.039 way I did again, this is I love this this 1724 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.159 moment here where Scha is feeling dejected, she has that 1725 01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:51.279 heart to heart with her dad. Of course he's been 1726 01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:53.600 gruff through all throughout all this, but he shows a 1727 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.439 real tenderness there and a real belief in his daughter, 1728 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.960 you know, being like, you know, you're smart, like you 1729 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:03.359 figure this out, like you're capable. I believe in you, 1730 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:05.239 and like do the thing you do best. And when 1731 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:08.000 I like when she's doing that. They have this moment 1732 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.520 where it shows her with all of her friends and 1733 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:15.880 that she's wise enough to learn from them, you know, 1734 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.279 and she's like, I can learn games from Christian, I 1735 01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:21.239 can learn things from you know, uh Dion and her 1736 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:24.840 boyfriend when when they don't think anyone's looking, the way 1737 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:26.800 that they treat one another, There's there's something to be 1738 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:27.479 taken from that. 1739 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.399 Elton just takes what he wants, he doesn't care. I 1740 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:31.319 can learn that too. 1741 01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:35.439 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, Like, I just 1742 01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:39.159 feel like there's a real That's what makes elevates this movie, 1743 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:42.920 I agree, from just being kind of a superficial romp, 1744 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.079 there's like a real yeah. 1745 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:46.840 It hell, it's like I said, right, Other than that 1746 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:49.119 one moment where Amy Heckerling is like, I don't know 1747 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:53.199 about these young people and the clothes, for the most part, 1748 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:58.520 it honors the point of view of you know, younger 1749 01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:02.439 young people and gives them the courtesy of not assuming 1750 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:03.079 they're stupid. 1751 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:09.239 You know, totally yeah, you know something I don't. I've 1752 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:14.520 never read Emma, but my mom did a little while back, 1753 01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:15.920 and so I was asking her. I was like, tell 1754 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:17.680 me about it because I'm kind of curious because I 1755 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.039 know this movie so well and it was incredible how 1756 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:25.560 one to one so much of it is and I 1757 01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.960 mean plot points, characters, and so I was kind of 1758 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.800 curious about the Christian character. And I guess in the book, 1759 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:37.600 what's his name, Frank Frank Churchill, And it's basically he's 1760 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:42.039 not available to Emma because he is secretly engaged I see. 1761 01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.600 So there is like surface level flirting and that sort 1762 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.520 of thing, but it's something that's not meant to be. 1763 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.239 And so I just you know, this modern reinterpretation with 1764 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:54.159 him being gay, like it's just right. It's just very clever. 1765 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:55.960 I mean, they really I love that it wears it 1766 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.039 on its sleeve. It's not like inspired by Emma, but 1767 01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:59.600 we're gonna try to tweak it or whatever. It's like, No, 1768 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:03.119 this is it was like Emma in nineteen ninety five, right, right, 1769 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:05.720 and still very much its own thing. 1770 01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:11.520 Now that when did the movie? When did the Emma 1771 01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:14.359 movie with the Gwyneth Paltrow? When did that come out? 1772 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:17.119 That came out? I want to say one year later, 1773 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:20.680 I see, And I remember reading somewhere that Gwyneth Paltrow 1774 01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:22.880 got very annoyed that clueless kept coming up when she 1775 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:24.840 was talking about it, or like, you know, like I 1776 01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:29.640 got impressed for it. But you know, and that's funny 1777 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:31.960 because I know there's also an Anya Taylor Joy one, 1778 01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:33.960 and there's you know, there's a handful of MF Yeah 1779 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.640 that more recent, right, I'd be kind of curious. I 1780 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:38.640 remember I DVRD that one once because I was just 1781 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.960 curious to see the original story and see if. For 1782 01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:44.399 me it was like, oh, this reminds me of Tie 1783 01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:51.000 and Share and right, this is sweet. Now she's out 1784 01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:54.720 supporting Tie, out supporting the boys she always kind of 1785 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.720 felt naturally drawn to and his interests the skateboard. 1786 01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.439 They were meant to be Cravis Birkinstock and tie, you know, 1787 01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:02.960 and I love. 1788 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:07.760 When they first meet and I think she's, uh, she 1789 01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:10.119 like draws on Marvin the Martian really well, and he's like, oh, 1790 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:12.800 that's really cool. Could you draw that from me? Doesn't 1791 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.079 that not such like a high school conversation very much? So? Yeah, right, 1792 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:19.319 it's just so that actually makes me think it's so 1793 01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.119 well observed. Maybe that's something Heckerling noticed when she was 1794 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.159 sitting in on a classroom because I remember that like 1795 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.920 kids would be because you you would know like you 1796 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:29.840 were really you are a very good artist. And I'm 1797 01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:32.520 sure your folders were covered and things like that, and 1798 01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:34.239 people were probably like, hey, man, can you draw like 1799 01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:35.159 a Bart Simpson for me? 1800 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:42.000 Yeah? That was my ind socially, you know, Yeah, I remember, 1801 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.479 I remember I used to draw tiny Tunes characters. 1802 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:46.119 Yeah. 1803 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.960 Sure, this is like Fall of ninety two, you know. 1804 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:54.720 Yeah, well that's so funny. Oh I had this trivia 1805 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:56.600 written down, but I'd kind of missed it. But when 1806 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:59.840 shares all depressed walking around Beverly Hills and all by 1807 01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:04.199 my myself is playing, It's sung by Jewel okay, before 1808 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.760 she had broken out, I thought that was kind of interesting. 1809 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:09.840 Is that right, like, when when did Jewel? It all 1810 01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:11.960 blurs together now when did when did she? When did 1811 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:13.319 she break breakout? 1812 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:16.680 I think her album might have just come out at 1813 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.840 the same time, but her Who Will Save Your Soul 1814 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:21.520 had not charted yet. 1815 01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.479 Okay, so it happened to Jewel. She's still around. 1816 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:26.359 I feel like, yeah, here you go, this is the 1817 01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:32.399 one dick, this guy in the universe. Yeah, on the 1818 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:36.119 other hand, he's an asshole and he's behaving like an asshole. 1819 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:40.039 He's treating them very badly. But if you were him 1820 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.680 and you had all this work to get done, you know, 1821 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.279 like you're watching the people who are like helping just 1822 01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:47.159 kind of flat with each other, you can kind of imagine, 1823 01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:48.680 like I don't want to be here at ten at 1824 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:49.960 night at my boss's house. 1825 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:55.720 Yeah, but I also wouldn't be belittling my boss's daughter, right, No. 1826 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.199 No, no, don't get me wrong. He's doing it entirely the 1827 01:32:58.239 --> 01:32:59.800 wrong way. He calls her a moron, which. 1828 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:01.640 Is yeah, yeah, I like that. There there's a way 1829 01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:05.119 to express your displeasure without being a total dick about it. 1830 01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.720 I completely agree. Script wise is perfect because it gives 1831 01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:10.760 rudding in to go up and comfort it but uh, 1832 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.039 and also I love seeing him stand up for her, yeah, 1833 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.119 you know, going to bat for her, like we are 1834 01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:20.279 saying what a great character is because we spend so 1835 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:22.680 much time with her. But in this world, you could 1836 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.079 imagine people thinking of her n she's superficial and all 1837 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.600 the things, but and not knowing her deeper intelligence. But 1838 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:30.199 Rudd sees it. 1839 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:35.039 You know, the thing about Paul Rudd, you realize just 1840 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.920 how effortlessly charming he is, right, like, yeah, because obviously 1841 01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:41.600 you know he's good in this and and you know 1842 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:46.560 whatever rom coms he did shortly after, but like you 1843 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.359 remember when he was on Friends as as Phoebe's husband, 1844 01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:52.640 and you're like, man, that he was just playing himself 1845 01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:56.000 right right, you know, because because we see him on 1846 01:33:56.039 --> 01:33:58.000 all his conan appearances and you're like, this guy is 1847 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.760 just he's comfortable in his skin mm hmm. And he's 1848 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:03.880 just a very charming, funny guy, you know. 1849 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:05.079 Yep. 1850 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.880 And so it's it's cool to kind of see the 1851 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.239 moment of birth so to speak, you know, like totally, 1852 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.159 you know, because he had been in other stuff. He 1853 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.119 was in one of the Halloween movies before this, he 1854 01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.680 was in that Super Nintendo commercial. Yeah, sure, all right, 1855 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:25.039 but like from clueless to now thirty years, it's never 1856 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:26.359 stopped for him. 1857 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:28.920 What I love because watching this, I mean I just 1858 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.159 even looking at him and he's like very dreamy looking, 1859 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:33.760 like you can see him being this heart throb guy. 1860 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:39.399 That's his his lane or his trajectory. But then smoldering, Yeah, 1861 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:44.520 like really smoldering, but like approachable, nice guy. Yeah, you know, 1862 01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:48.920 but then he's an anchorman and you're likely crap. That 1863 01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:50.680 guy's hilarious, Like. 1864 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:54.600 He said, well, that's that's that's his that's his real lane. 1865 01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:57.000 Yes, and then before that, to be fair, he was 1866 01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:00.600 in wet, hot American summer, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, letting 1867 01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:05.720 that weird alternative humor flag fly. But it's just cool 1868 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:07.520 that he got opened up and was able to do 1869 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:09.319 all of it and eventually become a superhero. 1870 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:15.760 Become a superhero and and playing I would offer probably 1871 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:17.439 the best superhero for him to play. 1872 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:25.239 Totally perfect. Yeah, this is sweet. See I buy this, 1873 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:26.640 Like I don't know, I don't want to think about 1874 01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:29.520 the details, but like, you know, like how. 1875 01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:31.520 Do you explain this to the parents though, is my question? 1876 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:34.760 I know, I know that's gotta be a weird conversation 1877 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:37.119 to have very much, especially. 1878 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:42.000 With Dan Hdea. Repeat that back to me and make 1879 01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:42.680 it make sense. 1880 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:49.720 That's right, Get out of my chair. Yeah, this is 1881 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.239 funny where she's like, this isn't Kentucky, you know, I 1882 01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:57.239 think it's it's it's their wedding, their wedding, Yeah, inconceivable. 1883 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:03.239 Yeah, this is nice. I think Heckerling has a cameo 1884 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:08.439 here somewhere when the bouquet is thrown aw ties with 1885 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:09.119 brecking mere. 1886 01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:17.760 So so what's Rudd's what's the Josh's mom character saying, Oh, 1887 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:20.079 I don't know. Yeah, I was trying to read her lips. 1888 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:22.479 Oh interesting. I wonder if it was like they had 1889 01:36:22.479 --> 01:36:26.720 something and they cut it. That was my thought, you know, yeah, 1890 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:28.840 like is she happy that they're together? 1891 01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:30.199 Is she? You know right? 1892 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:35.319 Right? That could accidentally introduce a little unpleasantness, right, like 1893 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.199 if it's like there's a contentious relationship. 1894 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:43.319 Yeah right, we just need we just need to photoshop 1895 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:44.760 JD into that scene with. 1896 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:49.279 Almost like an obi Wan ghost. You know, you just 1897 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.479 see Faison like what's he looking at off screen? And 1898 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.560 he just gets I was seeing like Walter Payton super 1899 01:36:54.600 --> 01:37:00.920 Bowl shuffle. Yes, yes, So where's were she I thought 1900 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:02.920 I of tours the back. I think I think she's 1901 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:06.039 the one that like really wrestles for it. Let's see, 1902 01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:13.199 it's kind of a chaotic. It's kind of hard to see. 1903 01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:17.079 Yeah, let's see. 1904 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:19.640 Huh, Yeah, I don't really there. 1905 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.319 Well, you gotta you gotta throw some elbows for that bouquet, Brian. 1906 01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:26.239 Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's how it goes. Have 1907 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:28.279 you ever caught like a garter or anything at a wedding? 1908 01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:31.399 I have not. Yeah, I don't. Well, I don't bother. 1909 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:32.720 I mean, why would I write I'm. 1910 01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:37.640 Already Yeah, I guess I feel like an old matter. 1911 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:42.039 I think my wife might get upset. 1912 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:47.960 But ah, this is great. Hey you put it well, 1913 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:50.079 this is a real comfort food movie for me. So 1914 01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:52.720 I I loved watching this. Again. Well, Bill Pope, director 1915 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:53.399 of photography. 1916 01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:59.159 You know, didn't he do the crow? 1917 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:02.840 I may have. Oh, Adam Schroeder I used to work 1918 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:07.560 with that guy too, he's a producer on this. It's 1919 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.319 kind of interesting, like watching these movies before I moved 1920 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:12.600 out here and seeing people that I would eventually come 1921 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:16.079 to know. It's kind of a strange thing. But yeah, 1922 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:18.319 I'm really glad that you got to revisit this, and 1923 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:20.159 I hope you enjoyed it. I hope it held up 1924 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:20.359 for you. 1925 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:23.680 Oh yeah, I mean it's it's it goes down easy, 1926 01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:24.000 you know. 1927 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:26.640 Yeah. 1928 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:27.199 Yeah. 1929 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:28.960 And this soundtrack too, I feel like we had this 1930 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:31.119 like the CD or something, so like all these songs. 1931 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:35.479 Oh this is this is like the quick essential nineties mix. 1932 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:40.119 Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because even watching this, I'm 1933 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:42.279 like conditioned to think, like, Okay, is there like a 1934 01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:44.000 little beat in the middle of these credits. It's going 1935 01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:47.399 to stop and have an ex right, Yeah, I mean 1936 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:49.880 obviously that's been around for a long time with John 1937 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.680 Hughes movies in the eighties, but now it's just like 1938 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:56.640 every movie. You know, Marvel really conditioned us to expect 1939 01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:57.600 it seriously. 1940 01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.239 So okay, So I was thinking of the Crow, but 1941 01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:05.359 it was it was dark Man that I was thinking. You. 1942 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:10.039 Oh, interesting, Yeah. He said he did Team America, the Matrix, Yeah. 1943 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:13.760 The Matrix movies. Yeah yeah, yeah. His his presence was 1944 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:18.399 missed in the latest Matrix movie. 1945 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:19.199 Yeah. 1946 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:22.239 I agree with that, you know, and brought something unique, 1947 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:25.199 although I mean I don't associate Clueless with his style 1948 01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:26.039 of cinematography. 1949 01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:27.920 So that's isn't that cool, Like it's like a tool 1950 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:30.960 in his toolbox, you know, he's like not just moody, 1951 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:32.840 you know, action film guy. 1952 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.600 Right, So thoughts on clueless thirty years later. 1953 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.960 I mean, I've I've already watched this once this year, 1954 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.920 and I enjoyed watching it again. It's just so rewatchable 1955 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:47.560 and optimistic and fun and it makes you laugh and 1956 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:50.800 I love it. I love it you. 1957 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:55.159 Yeah. I think the test of a movie like this 1958 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:57.600 is that obviously you enjoyed in the moment, but when 1959 01:39:57.640 --> 01:40:00.720 you revisit it with the distance of decade, which certainly 1960 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:02.359 is the case for me because the last time I 1961 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.079 saw it was before I got married, so I've never 1962 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:08.119 watched it with Dominete, right, And she was telling me 1963 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:11.199 like she she remembers watching it in the theater. Oh wow, 1964 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:14.600 you know, which which makes sense because I mean she's 1965 01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:16.840 the same age. She was the same age as share 1966 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:19.840 the character. Sure yea in the movie when it came out, 1967 01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:24.159 you know, so uh definitely plugged in on that level again. 1968 01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:29.239 I was. I was surprised at how much I misremembered, 1969 01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:33.279 like I you know, I I remembered it being more coarse. 1970 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:39.159 Oh interesting, you know, in terms of like the edges 1971 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:41.520 were a little harder, and I appreciated that. No, it 1972 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:45.479 has actually a very nice heart, you know, and I 1973 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:48.039 and I think that's the reason that that that this 1974 01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:51.000 movie has lived on to whatever extent it has. I like, 1975 01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:53.720 I don't I don't know if it's if it's an 1976 01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:56.560 evergreen in the same way that that you know, the 1977 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:59.479 Breakfast Club is or something. M hm. But but I 1978 01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:03.520 definitely think that I think I think anybody from any 1979 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:07.960 era can just plug into it without too much you know, throat. 1980 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:11.880 Clearing totally, you know, totally. Yeah, Well it's interesting. I 1981 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.600 mean you said your your daughter found her way in 1982 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:16.520 you know, yeah, that's right, was enjoying it. 1983 01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:19.119 Yeah, that that was definitely something for me. I mean 1984 01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:23.399 she's eight, so I was like, okay, you know, she's 1985 01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:28.960 she's she's getting the important stuff, you know. I am 1986 01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:31.840 curious about this sequel series that they're working on. 1987 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.760 Yeah, I'm aware of it. I know nothing about it. 1988 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:40.239 Well, I mean they as of this recording, they only 1989 01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:41.600 announced it a couple of weeks ago. 1990 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:45.359 Okay, because I know there's also a musical, right that's 1991 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:46.079 happening right now. 1992 01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:48.960 There is a musical, but this is this is a 1993 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:54.560 via Peacock. Okay, okay, all right, and I'm this is 1994 01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:58.359 I'm reading this from from L. The L website says 1995 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:02.119 from your subscription from Yeah, of course, how else are 1996 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:07.159 you gonna how access this important information? Uh? Alisa Silverstone, 1997 01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:10.279 Alisa Donovan, Breckenmeyer, Amy Heckerling, as well as costume designer 1998 01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:13.279 Mona main casting director Marsha Ross celebrity of the film's 1999 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:16.199 thirty the anniversary. In an interview with people at the event, 2000 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:19.199 Silverstone said she can reveal nothing about the TV sequel, 2001 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:22.520 but Heckerling admitted she's thrilled to death it is happening. 2002 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.439 But Silverstone was asked if she ever thought she'd play, 2003 01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:30.920 if she'd ever play share again. She replied, I didn't, 2004 01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:33.079 and then I did it for the Super Bowl. M 2005 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:35.119 Was there a Super Bowl commercial? 2006 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:38.960 Yeah, they recreated the debate scene from the club. 2007 01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:42.039 Okay, there you go. Yeah, so that's an interesting one. 2008 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:45.159 You know, I I'm down. You know, it's she is 2009 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:48.079 coming back or she she? She says she never thought 2010 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:51.800 she would, but then after having done the Super Bowl ad, 2011 01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:55.239 she's she's now more you know, more open to it. 2012 01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:57.680 You know, I mean, these things are always risky. 2013 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.479 That's that's my thought. I will say that. I mean, 2014 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.800 I mean, Alicia Silverstone is still great, and I'd love 2015 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.840 to see what Share is up to thirty years later. Yeah, 2016 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.640 and you know, you bring enough of those those original 2017 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:16.600 pieces back, I'd be curious. I think by by by definition, 2018 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:18.840 it would have to be about like the next generation 2019 01:43:18.920 --> 01:43:22.640 of characters totally, and that makes me less interested. 2020 01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:27.800 Yeah, there's part of me that doesn't want to see 2021 01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:30.000 what happened to Share, Like I'd rather be in my 2022 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:31.880 imagination than literally. 2023 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:33.680 Know, Like like I don't, I don't want you know, 2024 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.680 you know, her daughter Sabrina Carpenter and Share pops up 2025 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:39.720 occasionally or whatever, you. 2026 01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:44.079 Know, Yeah, no one pc. Yeah. And then also we 2027 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:47.640 were talking to this movie's unique tone. Yeah, what an 2028 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.239 incredible like I don't know what you even call it, 2029 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:54.840 like just heightened reality but not that heightened And like, so, 2030 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:57.720 what what does the show do now as they try 2031 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.800 to be a little outside of reality or what is 2032 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.600 that even? What's that version in twenty twenty five? I 2033 01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:07.159 don't know. Yeah, but then again, I'm in some ways 2034 01:44:07.399 --> 01:44:09.479 many ways, I'm sure it's just not meant for me. 2035 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.640 So maybe it's you know, maybe get your daughter. 2036 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:17.079 Right exactly, so I'd be very curious what she would 2037 01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:17.720 end up thinking. 2038 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:21.000 Yeah, and one more thing I wanted to mention as 2039 01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:22.840 long as we're talking about Ammy Heckerling, but like she 2040 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:26.039 also did the look Who's Talking movies, which is yes, 2041 01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:28.279 that's right right. I just thought that was worth mentioning 2042 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:31.159 because it feels like those are kind of forgotten these days. Yeah, 2043 01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:34.000 but those were huge, well at least the first two 2044 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:38.239 were the first two well yeah, yeah, but uh, you know, 2045 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:40.960 so she she had a really interesting career. 2046 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:44.079 Yeah, yeah, what's she done lately? 2047 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:50.119 I think it's a lot of TV directing, Ok, Suburgatory, 2048 01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:56.319 Gossip Girl. Yeah, she did well, just going through it 2049 01:44:56.319 --> 01:44:58.039 real quick. So she did Fast Times at Richmond High, 2050 01:44:58.039 --> 01:45:00.520 a move called Johnny Dangerously, which I've never scene with 2051 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:06.079 Michael Keaton. Yeah yeah, European Vacation, Look Who's talking? Clueless? 2052 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:09.920 And then like Loser with Jason Biggs, which I remember. Yeah, 2053 01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:12.600 and then it kind of yeah, like she was able 2054 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:14.600 to do her thing, but they just weren't hitting I 2055 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:17.159 could never be your Woman, which is Michelle Pfeiffer Paul 2056 01:45:17.239 --> 01:45:21.319 Road again. And then is a movie called vamps. 2057 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:23.039 Ill like vaguely remember that. 2058 01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:25.319 Yeah, I think Alicia's Silverstone's in that. And it's about 2059 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:30.079 these not teenagers but young vampires. Okay, and then it's 2060 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:32.239 kind of a lot of TV stuff, but I mean, man, 2061 01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:37.039 she had a lot of cultural touchstones. Yeah, and clearly 2062 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:40.760 is a great writer. So you know who knows. I'm 2063 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:41.640 rooting for the show. 2064 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:46.359 I hope it's good. Yeah, but that wraps up our 2065 01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:48.600 thoughts on Clueless, but hey, let us know your thoughts 2066 01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:50.680 on our thoughts. You can email us at Moviefilm Podcast 2067 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:52.279 at gmail dot com. You can also hit like on 2068 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.079 our Facebook page Facebook dot com slash movie Film Podcast 2069 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:57.760 and message us there. As always, please go to Apple 2070 01:45:57.760 --> 01:45:59.760 Podcasts and leave a review, leave a star rating. Do 2071 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.399 this at Spotify and hey, if you're listening to this 2072 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:06.439 on YouTube, please hit like and go ahead and subscribe 2073 01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:08.920 if you can. 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Yeah, well, 2094 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:12.119 we are no longer clueless having finished this commentary trend, 2095 01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.000 but we'll be back soon with our next regular show 2096 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.840 as well as our next commentary. So thank you everybody 2097 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:19.479 for listening. We will catch you next time.