Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Challenge the podcast all about
the Challenge as always.
Speaker 2: I'm Brian sitting uh sex dollars in his bedroom, big uncle,
sweet tea and sitting with uh fever, chills, uh clammy
hands other sickness symptoms.
Speaker 3: It's herbies.
Speaker 2: Somebody else bless rude and sitting at work. Uh Uh
I don't know. Banana lusts. I don't know. I don't
know what's sorry?
Speaker 4: Uh is Zachie bananas? Apparently this banana.
Speaker 2: List everybody had ever challenge by dot com on Facebook. Patrick, Uh,
what's it all is about this week's episode?
Speaker 5: I Carl, you should tell us about it because that
was a very enthusiastic way to go through the appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I am I am over this season. This season is
one of the worst seasons.
Speaker 3: Hang on, no, no, hang on, hang on, we have
the we have the full four and I forgot to
bring this up last episode and I was going to
that this this season actually has like because we're not
eliminating the worst place player, it's allowing some really unique
gameplay that I think is worth mentioning Because you hate
the season so much if you look at it from
that perspective. I kind of like that Katie and Veronica
are like in on this game, at least in terms
of this episode. There's something to be said for that
that they would not be in on this game if
it was the last Place goes home or last Place
goes into elimination. So it does introduce some different kind
of gameplay. I read that on a Reddit thread and
it enlightened me a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like you mentioned that you were going
to talk about that, like I think last week, and
we never got a rend it. We forgot to mention it.
Speaker 3: So here I just mentioned it. There you go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you saw it on Reddit, Tim, But I
was looking at Reddit right before this podcast, and in
contrast to Wolfe, there was a post of people talk
about how this is the best season in the last three,
four or five six years.
Speaker 3: M hmm. I think it's a matter of it's a
matter of perspective, and I think that this I had
to sort of shift my perspective to enjoy the season more,
and that's one of the things I had to change.
Speaker 5: I don't dislike this season. I don't think this season
is the best. I do really love that three of
four on sa Hold One, Shaneon, Davon, uh Melan, Nicole,
Veronica and Katie Nanni and Turbo. Four of the six
teams that are left have queer people on them, which
I think is fantastic because the representation for the queer
community has been severely lacking in the last ten plus years.
Speaker 2: Caroline, I don't know if you've heard this, but we
were people on merit now not for their sexual orientation.
Speaker 3: Gay people don't exist, so you're friendly, diversities are.
Speaker 4: Not real well this show.
Speaker 5: This show was luckily taped before DEI was rolled back
in everything in the United States.
Speaker 4: Some cares Carl.
Speaker 6: If you do not think this is the best season
like in the last I don't know three to five years,
which season do you think is the best?
Speaker 4: What season? When you put above this?
Speaker 6: Because I feel like the last few years a lot
of us have been very negative about the seasons.
Speaker 5: I feel like people keep saying that we've been very
negative about the seasons, but we haven't actually been very
Negative've been negative about some of the episodes, but like
the All Star seasons are almost all really good. The
first Old Star season we all loved totally.
Speaker 3: I feel like we spend most of our All Stars
time praising the seasons. Yeah, and I feel like I
really do.
Speaker 5: I feel like we also really liked War of the
World I wasn't on the on the pot at that
point in time, but I feel like War of the
World's was one of the one of the seasons that
people liked more than anything else because there were a
bunch of new people on it. It was significantly harder
than it had been. Yeah, and it was the final,
Like the final will always stick out in my head
for because it's like forty people couldn't finish it.
Speaker 2: Those weren't in the last five years.
Speaker 4: No, I was gonna say, I think that's like that
we're the world. There are ten years ago.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that of those ten years ago wouldn't be well.
Speaker 3: I know it's.
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, so just as that was six years ago.
Speaker 3: I liked forty a lot. I know we had a
lot of discussions on this show about liking forty and not.
I thought I thought forty was a pretty decent season. Yea,
All Stars. I've I've praised the All Star seasons. Yeah.
Hated Battle for the New Champion. That was the fucking worst.
That sucked so hard.
Speaker 5: That was really bad.
Speaker 6: I loved the last offers. I feel like, and maybe
I'm just misremembering. I feel like you guys were very
negative about it because of the whole Laurel stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, yes, we were really negative about
it because of the Laurel stuff.
Speaker 3: Because but you can also enjoy a season. But you
can enjoy a season while also being negative about the
Laurel stuff or that Steve got sort of ripped off,
Like that's part of that's part of the enduring charm
of it. It's I don't think that I hated it
just because I bitched about it, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Because that's I feel like it was brought up multiple
times in like various different reviews where they kept saying, like,
you guys need to stuff. If you don't like the show,
then you should stop doing the podcast. But we kept
none of us were saying that we didn't like the show.
Speaker 4: Like Laurel.
Speaker 6: I feel like Wolfy comes on every season says he
hates the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's part of full charm.
Speaker 3: He's been doing that for ten years. The start of
this is the start of this podcast.
Speaker 2: I feel like Season forty was just a letdown all around.
But this All Star season, I feel like, with the
exception of this episode, which we'll get into, I feel
like most of the challenges I have not enjoyed and
most of the eliminations I have not enjoyed.
Speaker 3: There is something to be said for that. Yeah, they're
making it they're making it too equal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have not enjoyed that they don't have like physical,
real eliminations.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That annoys the shit out of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It is weird because I like Survivor because it is
sort of like anybody can win, and this they try
to make it anybody can win, But to me, it
goes against like sort of what the show is like. Yeah,
physical prowess is part of this show. Yeah, and if you.
Speaker 5: Remove that why we all love the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I get this All Stars anybody can win bullshit.
But I also like, I don't know, I don't want
anybody to win, Like Veronica shouldn't win this show.
Speaker 6: You know, I will say, you know, I know they've
gotten away from the concept of All Stars being like ogs,
but it wasn't really until the Jack era where athleticism mattered.
Before that, it was a bunch of carnival games that
anyone could win, like how much ice cream can you
eat without your hands and rubbing soap off a bowl,
you know, a pole with your body, Like No, that
was that.
Speaker 7: Was that was after. That was not before.
Speaker 6: The finals used to be like a one mile run,
you know in the OG days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see your point, Zach, But I think
I guess like the show evolved, and I liked the evolution,
and now it's like de evolving. I liked. I want
to go back to the excess, to where they're fucking
climbing up mountain and shit and like like dying on it,
like like almost can't make it up.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason why I loved this show for
so long, it's because you're seeing them do these really
fucking cool things, like really hard climbing up mountains, jumping
into like giant bodies of water, jumping off of buildings,
like doing all of these things that are just crazy
that you'd never think that you'd never be able to
do in a normal everyday thing. And then they have
to and they have to prove themselves.
Speaker 7: In all of it.
Speaker 5: They have to have the the part of the the
whole point of the challenge is to be challenged, Like
if you're if you are able to come to this
show no offense to them, but looking like Anissa and
Veronica and Big Easy and like these people who are
just not physically fit enough to do these challenges, then
they are not being challenged. Like I it just it
drives me nuts. The it's the equally the equalizers for everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the champs should be the best runner, best
puzzle person, best swimmer, Like that's the point. You're supposed
to collect these skills and then that how you show
them off from the final Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think I think the way they've gone wrong is
I think the challenges are fine if they had stuck
with the OG concepts, Like if we had people like
Montana and Genesis doing these competitions, great, But when you
have like Nanny doing them, it's like you have the
young athletic people doing the old people challenges.
Speaker 3: Then they shouldn't. Then that's the that's a producer thing.
They shouldn't entertwentangle these people. Then you know, no time.
Speaker 4: Sense, that's where they went wrong.
Speaker 6: They need to go back to like you know, the
or the all thar seasons, being like people from the
first ten to twelve seasons of the Challenge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just need to go back to All Stars being which.
Speaker 3: I hope we're still recording though, because he's the host.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like we are. I don't have Maybe
maybe we rip for a minute.
Speaker 4: We need Dan Ramsey back, Yes, Dan Rendsay would be great.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Hi Wealthy, welcome back.
Speaker 6: Like Montana Elka, all the ogs.
Speaker 3: I'd be fine with all these. Yes, these sort of
like middle middle, middle of their players who probably haven't
kept up with the physical fitness so much, but there's
still like normal, normal now people in their early forties. Yeah,
let's watch them. Let's let's watch them go.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing, Like I don't I don't mind
it being some of the younger quote unquote younger players
like Nanny. Nannie's not young, but like, I don't mind
it being those kinds of.
Speaker 7: Players, as I still hold solid to the if.
Speaker 5: You're going to show up on All Stars, you should
not be allowed to go on the regular show, and
vice versa. For the regular show, I should not be
able to do both of them. Like there's a reason
why we have All Stars and there's a reason why
we have the regular show.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was a late coming to that, but
I agree with you, and I think partially inspired by
this season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still think it just should be like age along,
because like someone like Cory Lay who's in this crime,
should not be going to head to head with Kafla
or Cyrus, like there are different athletic stages of their life.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so these people should not be on All Stars.
That's where you're coming, zact.
Speaker 6: But to go back to like the first you have
to have been on the first fifteen seasons, their first
twelve season of the Challenge.
Speaker 5: See, I don't I don't feel like they need to
go back that far. I'm totally fine with like Frank
and Sam being on this on this season because they're
people that we haven't seen in ten years, but we
probably will never see them on They're never going to
take the time to go to an actual season and
you know, take that kind of time off of the
out of their life and go and do that. They're also,
like Sam is never going to be able to compete
in the regular season the way that everybody else is.
So I don't mind seeing them in this show. But
like Nanny, why the fuck is Nanni there? Corey big Tea,
Melissa Nicole, Why are all of those people there, Turbo.
The fact that they let Turbo back at all is
surprising to me.
Speaker 6: And if it's just like I'm okay with Frank being there,
if it's just a thing where he's telling them, I
will never do another regular season because of the length,
but he's okay do the length.
Speaker 4: Frank should be back on the normal season, Like say,
I agree.
Speaker 3: With that, Yeah, I agree to you, And yeah it
does make weird rules. Then for somebody like Frank that
we haven't seen in ten years, we're gonna let him
back on the flagship or does he have you know
what I mean? Like it's these weird like what do
we do with these weird in betweeners?
Speaker 5: But I also kind of feel like like people like
John A who has been on what all five season
four of the five seasons one two of them, Like, no,
you should be allowed to be on. You can be
on two. You should be allowed to just continuously come
Like this is not the same thing as the regular challenge,
Like this is meant to bring back those players we
haven't seen in forever. We don't want to see you
year after year. If we wanted to see you after
year after year, then go to the regular show. If
only this one is because you know that you won't
be able to compete in.
Speaker 3: The regular show, especially guys like Derek Kaczinski. I need,
I need him about once every five years. That's that's
all I can.
Speaker 5: That's all I can, and taken every season so actively
trying to get onto the right.
Speaker 8: I know it's annoying, and I know I know that
I'm like most people disagree with this, but I also
think winning an All Stars season is closer to winning
Champs First Stars than winning a flagship season.
Speaker 4: I have minimal respect for winning All Stars.
Speaker 3: Well you got a not minimal respect, but.
Speaker 4: It's I don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if if you know, Champs First Stars
is at the one end and Flagships at the other,
I think it's closer to Champs First Stars than it
is a flagship.
Speaker 7: So I put this pretty solidly in the middle.
Speaker 3: I would too, but it doesn't like where do we again, Mike,
where do we draw the line between what counts as
a champ? Like do John A's two All Star wins
count is changed? I don't know. It's a weird one.
And if we're going to count all Stars, we should
count Champs versus Stars. Like, I don't know, it's just
a weird thing to Yeah, the only reason I.
Speaker 5: Put this more in the middle to the closer side
to the regular show is because All Stars was a
It was what over like a week and a half,
and they lived in a hotel and you know, they
still had all their phones and it was still more
like regular.
Speaker 3: Regular the Champs.
Speaker 5: You're saying, Chancers of Stars, whereas All Stars, it's still
it's not the full length of the show, but you're
still going to a different location. You are staying in
a house like you would in the regular show. Like
you're still having to deal with all of the mental
game that you have to deal with in the regular show,
where you didn't really have to do that in Champs
Versus Stars. So I I that's why I graded more, like,
I guess, probably closer to the regular show than I
would CHAMPSI Stars. I agree, I don't think it's at
the same level by anyone.
Speaker 6: The main thing that pushed me in that direction is
I've heard a couple of founders say, like the hardest
part of the main flagship show is that, you know,
being isolated from your friends, your family, the real world.
And I've heard them say, on All Stars, you have
a lot more ability to contact home whenever you want
with like you know, it's not just okay, you get
ten minutes a week. It's like, hey, if you want
to call your family every day, you can call them
one today, Like you can call them today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen I mean, we've even seen that represented
on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the regular show. Give us a fuck.
Speaker 4: No, they should not have any content show.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change anything.
Speaker 6: Do you know when Mormons go on missions, they're allowed
to speak to their families twice per year.
Speaker 4: Let's do that on the challenge.
Speaker 3: Why Mormons torture themselves? So we have to torture everybody else?
Speaker 7: After this is after show content.
Speaker 5: Save that. All right, we need to get into the
actual show, the whole reason why we're all here.
Speaker 3: Join us on Patreon if you want to hear us
talk about Mormonism. Also, Zach, are we hang on real
real quick?
Speaker 2: Zach?
Speaker 3: Are we as Mormon? Are we not supposed to call
you Mormon? Are you? Are you a Latter day Latter
Day Saint or something like that?
Speaker 6: Yes, the church wants us to encourage people calls Latter
Day Saint, and so Mormon and Mormons.
Speaker 7: Bad connotation to them.
Speaker 6: One more so so a lot of people because they
want to actually use the phone name the Church of
Jesus Christ of latterday Saints, because a lot of.
Speaker 3: People are like to long.
Speaker 6: Mormons don't believe in Jesus, and so they're like, no,
like literally, Jesus is in the name of our church.
And people like, oh, you worship some guy named Mormon.
It's like, no, we don't.
Speaker 5: It's like saying people who are Islamic worship some guy
named Islam.
Speaker 3: Is that not true?
Speaker 5: That's just so dumb. Again, this is all episode, so.
Speaker 3: We can just call him Acid Diamond with Sky.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll start of season five, episode nine, Starcross Rivals.
Speaker 3: Blame Blame title not good?
Speaker 7: Uh not in turbo do the last week on.
Speaker 2: I'm busy.
Speaker 3: It's me terrible.
Speaker 7: And I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: My allergies are really starting to kick my ass. I
apologize for feeling for being stuffy.
Speaker 7: You're blowing my nose.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: We are in the house. Everybody's having a dance party.
They're doing like the stretch off slide and all that ship.
Speaker 3: This is so dumb. This is so dumb. Have you
guys ever been, Zach, does this happen at your church
of Latter day Saint cuddle parties? People just dance. I've
never I've never been at a party like this. People
just dance like this.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that we were missing the music that was
playing in the background.
Speaker 6: More slash lds. People love line dancing. It's like it's
that's one of our number one hobbies. It happens quite
a bit.
Speaker 3: The electric slide. You like the electric slide.
Speaker 4: Electric slide?
Speaker 3: Bogie?
Speaker 4: Will you yes? What's all the other ones? They dance?
Speaker 2: Humpty dance?
Speaker 3: That's your chance to do the umpty dance themselves?
Speaker 4: And they have to do it the line?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 4: You know what's the Mormon favorite? What's that one? The
big girl? Back it up? I want you back it up?
We love that one.
Speaker 2: Humpty dance?
Speaker 5: You again? This is all after show content. We need
to get off because it's.
Speaker 3: All after we don't Karlyn, We're we're just gonna do
another we want so you're job to keep us in line? Good?
Speaker 5: All right? This happens multiple times in this episode, and
I don't know if it annoyed anybody else, but it
annoyed me. So they have Sam doing the voiceover of
who has stars and who doesn't, and later on in
the episode, she's a explaining like, oh, you know, you
never know what's gonna happen in the challenge and you
gotta be ready for everything. Like she has been here
for a while, like she knows what this game is about.
Like it was just it's it's the same thing as
like when I'm fucking Adam does it, or when it's
just it's all of these people who are Dario, who
like it's almost like they think that they know what
this game is about. It's your game.
Speaker 2: Nelson, that's what you're getting, Carl. When the producers tell Nelson, hey, Nelson,
could you explain how to win this challenge, and Nelson goes, well,
to win this challenge, we got to get the thing
we got to win, and then they're like, all right, thanks, Nelson,
I guess.
Speaker 7: Yeah, true, true that my first gun.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me when Sam does it. I think
just because I like Sam, so it just like I
forgive her. It's like, oh, it's sweet cut when she
does it, when when people do it, it bothers me.
Speaker 5: Okay, So apparently just you we apparently, and Nicole and
Melissa have mended their friendship. They are hardcore flirting, and
Veronica comes out and calls out Nicole, like, get out,
stop fucking doing this shit, because you have a girlfriend
at home that would not take kindly to you doing this.
Speaker 3: But also it looked more like Melissa was the pursuer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Nicole is not going to back down if
Melissa starts approaching her.
Speaker 7: She has done it before, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, But we're used to Nicole being the shitty one
that's like super pursuing women. And this time it doesn't
look like she It looks like she's just sort of
sitting back and like even a little weirded out by She.
Speaker 5: Did not look weirded out. She looked like she was
playing hard to get. She did not look weirded out.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's what I heard.
Speaker 6: I felt like she was trying to resist it until
Melissa kissed her and then she's like, oh, this is
going down.
Speaker 3: That's what I caught too. She seemed like she was
leaning away. She seemed like she was awkward and feeling
uncomfortable with it. I don't think comfortable.
Speaker 5: I think she was attempting to be like, Oh, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna do the good girl thing, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna back away. And then Melissa spit coat k
in her mouth or whatever the hell it was.
Speaker 7: I don't think I don't think it was a kiss.
Speaker 5: I think it was she spit whatever drink they just
poured in her mouth into Nicole's mouth. Oh okay, but
it looked like a kiss. I mean it was very.
Speaker 2: Honestly literally spit soda into her mouth, which I mean
more hardcore than kidding kissing, but just spit my mouth
type of ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, well, and Patty in the chat room says, don't
we think at this point in the season Nicole has
already cheated? I mean, with the way that the two
of them are acting, I would not be surprised those two.
Speaker 3: You think those two hooked up?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I would not surprised.
Speaker 2: Out the will you pleasure me and I'll do the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she just walked out of the bedroom or out
of the bathroom naked and said hey Nicole, to.
Speaker 2: Be fair, Yeah, that makes.
Speaker 4: Yeah about Sam, do you think maybe there's a chance.
Speaker 6: Of Nicole Sam hookup with No Nicole wants wants the
Sam's not.
Speaker 2: Nicholes from from what we've seen, Nicole likes Nicole, likes
to Nicole like straight ladies too, Nicole.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I guess my thought was Nicole's
type is a woman and has a pulse.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, probably, But I I with Melissa there,
I think Sam has absolutely no chance. I also doubt
that Nicole would be Sam's type.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Nicole just likes to pursue.
I think she's just one of these people who just
I think she likes the hard to get woman and
she's gonna pursue like a like a straight woman.
Speaker 4: Like this often.
Speaker 6: G a picture later of me with Sam and her
ex girlfriend. I think Nicole all of that. Well, no, Nicole,
I think I'm Melissa never mind. You're right, Melissa's buying
more Sam's type based on her ex.
Speaker 5: All Right, This next scene I think show a hands
as to who felt this was real fucking icky. We
have Nanny talking to Casey and they're like baby talking
hardcore and they're talking about having a baby hardcore and
the whole thing just felt should be to me.
Speaker 3: But only because they've broken up since.
Speaker 5: Right, yes? Yeah, context, Yes, only because we know that
they are no longer together, but the baby talk weird
to me the fuck out. I don't like it when
anybody baby.
Speaker 2: How long nanny has been on this show and how
often she comes back. Producers maybe could have been a
little bit nicer and be like, maybe we'll cut some
of this shit out right.
Speaker 6: I saw a post I'm ready talked about how to
take them like five ten minutes to just go and
cut this scene out once they broken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Zach, it was part of that same It
was part of that same Reddit thread though, Zach, where
they probably negotiated appearance fees and ship months ago, and
Casey probably got money for this, and like you know,
there's like all these appearance like there's contract shit and
sort of once the ship signed, like it's going on TV.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I highly, highly, highly doubt that Casey got anything for that.
Speaker 3: Oh, she had to get money for that, she wouldn't
have done it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people who show up on reality TV shows completely
for free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not very not a case that has has
won the challenge that has one big brother. No, No,
she definitely got kid.
Speaker 4: I could see doing it for free. I think.
Speaker 2: To help essentially a help of Nanni's appearance on the
show she did it for because it literally is just
a zoom call and they were going to talk anyway,
So who cares.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's still tim prove it. But yeah, it
just it felt the whole call felt super icky because
of how high the level of baby talk was and
how high the level of having a baby talk was.
Speaker 3: And hang on, when you say, when you say baby talk,
you mean they're talking like to each other, like they're.
Speaker 7: Talking like babies to each other.
Speaker 3: Like not baby talk as in as in we're about
to have a baby, like let's talk about having a baby.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 7: It was both. They were talking about having a.
Speaker 3: Baby in baby talk, right. But I'm saying, like you're
okay with with women having babies, you're not okay with
them talking talking to each other like their babies. Hey,
I'm just saying for the listeners, the listeners that might
be a perturbed by you, I want to be super clear, Yes.
Speaker 5: I have absolutely problem. I think it's fantastic that they
wanted to have a kid. I think it's absolutely fantastic.
If it were for them, then go for it, talking
like babies about it.
Speaker 6: I think ultimately What the producers realize though, is if
we show this stuff even after their breakup and then
we called them for the next seasons, either of them
saying no to us over this probably.
Speaker 2: Not Yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: Just because because of the breakup. Is just it just
gave me like an good.
Speaker 2: At its as Johnny Bananas scot maybe I could have
just thrown Nonny and helped her out the season.
Speaker 7: Well, well yeah, they made.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 5: The number of times that they have made Nanny look
like ship on Johnny Banana's behalf, like the season where
he wouldn't even talk to her because he didn't want
his girlfriend to think that they were hooking.
Speaker 2: Up awkwardly just off camera, to be like, you know,
we can't talk.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: That was so that holding was so achy because he
is a piece.
Speaker 4: Of shit.
Speaker 5: Anyway. Onto we also have Veronica and Shane are talking.
It seems like their relationship because they're fine and dandy.
Yet again, Verona can't figure out why Davon doesn't necessarily
like her, and Shane kind of tells her that Davon
doesn't like her because she's threatened of how of their
relationship in the game, And then we get on, Like,
we get Davon talking about how she doesn't trust V
because V's riding like she's really trying to get the
strong players out and Deavon's number one ally in the
house or Turber Nanny. I'm really confused as to why
Deavon is riding so hard for Turbo and Nanny when
she has a built in alliance through her partner, Well,
I do.
Speaker 4: You guys get it?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: I I think it's because Devon and Shane are on
the strong side of the house. If if Veronica is
going after weak people, she's gonna ultimately end up having
to go after Shane and Devon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I do think a lot of Davon is
emotional in the sense that we saw the flashback that
you know, on one of the World's Turbo like had
her back and was helping her in eliminations. I think
she just was like, oh, like Turboa get along. I
like him, so I want to have his back.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, who do you want to help
you win? Katie and Veronica or Turbo and Nanni.
Speaker 5: And I can understand that, but if you also look
at it on paper, you have the strong alliance, which
is Turbo and Nanny, or you have the strong alliance,
which is Adam and Steve, so you have one one
team on that, or you have the weak alliance, which
is Veronica and Katie Frank and Sam, Nicole and Melissa.
And if Devon and Shane were actually on that side,
they'd be a number one, number two seed in that
because it's Veronica that that is really heading that whole alliance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think the people sort of on the
strong side are sort of at the disadvantage when there's
more weak people, right because because especially at this point
in the game, they've they've only got time to take
out one more strong team, and the strong teams are
non A, Turbo or now Shane and Davon, So it's
gonna be one of them too, right if the weak
players have the leverage. Oh yeah, I guess they have
them too.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 5: I mean really like that. That's the whole point. We'll
get to it and just met it. But the whole
point of this episode, it's like you have the strong teams,
which are Nannie and Turbo and Adam and Steve, and
everyone seems to be focusing on Nannie and Turbo, but
Adam and Steve has the best have the best record
in this game so far, and it's so fucking stupid
that they're not going after them again.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's because they're friends, because they're friends on
the week, because they're friends on the weak side, which
I mean, I see Shane's point here, Like it's not
Shane's Shane shouldn't be playing Veronica's game.
Speaker 5: You mean, you see Davon's point. Shane shouldn't be playing.
Speaker 3: Well, both of them, because I don't think Shane is
playing Veronica's game either. He's just he's just playing lip
service to it more than Davon's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's true. Yeah, and I guess I'm
I'm talking myself in circles. But I do think, you know,
after listening to you guys, I think that it would
have been smarter for them to side on Davon's side,
because I do think that it's a real big mistake
that they didn't go for Adam and Steve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Shane is still trying to not
take a side, which is it's too late now, man,
you got to keep Yeah, dude.
Speaker 5: You're done with six teams. Like at the beginning of
this episode we have six.
Speaker 2: Teams, especially when everyone was thought for sure this was
the last elimination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, come on, it should have been. We'll get
to it, but it should have been.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 7: Uh, we are very quickly into the selling.
Speaker 5: As TJ likes to remind us, it is a Star
Challenge because there's a startup for grabs and the game
is called Bubble Bull's Eye.
Speaker 2: Uh, shuffleboard is what this is. One person sits in
a little looks like an air two but it's actually
like a little cart on wheels. Weird, right, I figured
it just would have been like an INIR tube but whatever?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: Oh was it actually on wheels?
Speaker 4: Spoiler?
Speaker 2: When Shane flips up, you can see the wheels on
the bottom of it, or Steve, I mean Steve flips
up and essentially one person gets in the little go
kart and then the other person pushes them down in
this little ramp onto the game board. There's a bunch
of bubbles to make it dramatic, and uh, you got
to try to hit the like middle piece, which is
the twenty five points or whatever, and whoever gets whatever
team gets the furthest away from sort of the bulls
eye is the team that's eliminated out of the competition.
Speaker 5: Yep, out of that round? Yeah, what the fuck was
the point of the bubbles?
Speaker 3: Stupid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it was, like, if they were real inner tubes,
it would have helped soap it up.
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's why I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that the that it was on, I
again was watching it work, so I didn't catch everything visually.
But it would have made more sense if they were
just real inner tubes or something that was like slick
on the bottom, where then you have soap SAIDs that
kind of help you go farther. But because there were wheels,
absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 6: Before the challenge went Harry, we saw a confessional with
some couple I don't remember, and I just saw the
bubbles in the background.
Speaker 4: I Golex, I was like, bubbles, bubbles, are you too?
Speaker 2: With my dogs both got excited over the bubble.
Speaker 4: To me, that means the whole challenge.
Speaker 6: If I was there and like you'd have no bubbles,
I'm like, this is a stupid challenge. And then you
tell me like, now we're faying bubbles, you get to
go through them. I'm like, this is the best challenge.
Speaker 2: We've done this season points out that the phone blocks
their views, so some couldn't see when to stop.
Speaker 3: You couldn't even stop, you know, you couldn't really stop
a little bit. You could lean Lean. He's effective, but
then it could screw you because I think Steve Lean
too far fucked him. Nicole did later She's to cross
the grounds, so she's out took her too. Yeah, there
is a little bit of strategy here, Yep.
Speaker 5: Round one, Nanni and Turbo were the first one's out.
Turbo pushes Nanny far too hard, and Nannie and getting
out says if those idiots don't steal the star from
Adam and Steve before they steal ours, then they're all
going to lose this final.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think this is you know, they said
that this first round was a warm up round and
you know, you know how to do it or how
hard to push whatever. Yeah, and after this round it
seemed like you didn't have to push, like you just
sort of like gently nudged them over the edge. That
seemed to like your best out of the way to
win this one, which is also just bullshit.
Speaker 2: Like I just let the ramp do most of the work.
Speaker 5: So Yep, well, and they're both significantly heavier than almost
every boa else on that stage, so I could see that.
So round two, Katie and Veronica come in last, but
Nicole puts her hand down and if you touch the
board then it's an automatic ten point deduction. So really
Nicole and Melissa are out that. Round round three, Steve
leans far too far back and the whole thing tips over,
so they are dcued because you can't fall over.
Speaker 3: And I learned on I learned on Reddit that Steve
was upside down on that cart for minutes. Nobody would
say how long, but he was four minutes upside down
in that little weird shout thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they the way that they shot it, in the
way that he was doing his voiceover, made it sound
like he was there for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess everybody was just sort of laughing at him
because he just couldn't move.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he said, he says, I watched Naskar and
they send people help you. So I wonder if like
he could have got up immediately, but he just sat
there waiting for help, and they're like looking at him
like is he not going to get up?
Speaker 4: Like what's going on?
Speaker 3: It did show him eventually get up and it. Yeah,
it seemed awkward, but but doable.
Speaker 5: I guess yep. So round four, Shane, it starts off
with Shane and Davon yelling at each other. Katie and
Veronica ultimately end up out and that means that Shane
and Devon have won the Star because the other team
that is in it, Frank and Sam already have a Star.
And then round five Frank Sam versus Shane and Davon,
uh for who is safe in the elimination, and Shane
gets it right on the money, so he and Davon win.
Speaker 2: Woo woo. I was happy for our boys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew that.
Speaker 5: Like based on the preview for this week, it was
like Shane and Davon are screaming at each other or
look like they're mad at each other. These two are
going in my picks.
Speaker 2: They did well for me, even though I still went
down and went down a hole. Yeah, we'll get there.
Speaker 5: I haven't actually looked yet, so it's gonna be a
little bit of a surprise when I pull it up
in a little while. So he immediately immediately get Frank
talking talking game and strategy with Melissa and Nicole and
Adam and Steve are not melissenical about Melissenicole to Adam
saying that he wants to put in Melissa and Nicole
so that Veronica and Katie can go against them and
steal the Star from Nanni and Turbo, and Davon hears
him and calls him out on it.
Speaker 2: I loved, and then Adam tries to be like, well
we were, She's like, no, no, no, I want Frank
to tell me. So I thought it was wonderful.
Speaker 5: She did the like the mom thing, which I kind
of appreciated that she called him out, but at the
same time, it was just like today, Von just fucking
let it go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I like I like Frank in these moments
because I also you can tell he just does not
give a fuck, and I think most people would have
lied or tried to cover it up or come up
with something, and Frank was just like, Hey, you don't
need to know I'm talking about you, but I'm not
talking to yes, so go go somewhere else.
Speaker 5: It's like, I appreciated the way that I do really
like Frank this season, and I appreciate the way that
he kind of talked himself out of that without like
actually saying what he was talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, it was. It was very much just like I'm
clearly talking about you, Davon, but I'm not going to
fucking tell you, so I deal with it. And I
kind of liked that approach.
Speaker 6: It's like, we're strategizing about the public vote. As the winner,
you don't have a say in the public vote, so
it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I do like that about Frank.
Speaker 5: Frank I still yeah, I mean he said that from
the very beginning.
Speaker 2: He was trying to act like he wasn't talking about her.
Would she calls him out, He's just like, all right, whatever,
but just don't be a fucking pussy about it, just
being yeah, well I was saying, we're going to do this,
so fuck you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, it doesn't really matter to me.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: I find the whole plan that they come up with ridiculous.
From Frank's point of view of well, they're gonna have
to show their character, then they're gonna have to show
he's gonna have to pick his friend, and if not,
that just shows flaws and his character. And I'm just like,
fuck off, Frank talking about fucking character of all people,
piece of ship. Oh my god. The reunion where Knight
punched him in the face is one of my favorite
moments of reunion ever.
Speaker 7: What I clearly have never watched the reunion.
Speaker 2: He was talking about about Jimmy, and Knight gets up
and gets right in Frank's face and Frank, Frank's dude,
is like, yeah, whatever, whatever, what are you gonna do?
And Night grabs him by the shirt and like hits him.
It doesn't hit him very hard, but hits him enough,
and security steps in and breaks it up.
Speaker 3: See what I I came across, Like, I have a
very different memory of that, Zach, do you want to
how di do you walk away from that interaction?
Speaker 6: It so long, but I can't remember basically like well, face,
that's I remember it too.
Speaker 3: But Night looked like an idiot because he, like whoever
the host was, was like Frank, are you okay? And
Frank was just like, yeah, I'm fine, like he barely
like he just like like.
Speaker 5: He like dream punched him where you can't get the
full your full strength behind your your punches.
Speaker 3: It was a very weird one and Frank was not.
Speaker 2: Trying to act cool like I didn't even hurt whatever,
just whatever, it worked like he looks so cool, he.
Speaker 7: Looked slap on the stage.
Speaker 6: I will agree with him there that, Yes, like the
after effect. I do definitely think that like it made
Night look weak.
Speaker 2: Wasn't for me, he was. He was staying with that
because Frank was running his mouth like usual over somebody
who you know he feels he's more superior too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally. But he took the punch. He took
the hit. He didn't fight back, and he was just like, yeah,
well he punched me, and it knows what it.
Speaker 4: Is to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I agree, it's good tan for Jimmy. I
was also like, oh, like that barely phazed Frank, And
if Frank wanted to, he could probably knock Night out
in one hit.
Speaker 3: I think so too. Yeah, he never Frank never made
a move like he didn't give a shit that he
got punched. He just sat there. I thought he looked
like a badass ring it'd be.
Speaker 4: Count like if Tim Wall tried to punch Kane.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we're not getting into this all right,
Uh we go on to club night ons or not.
Speaker 7: It looks like they're getting ready to go to club night.
But then I thought that a camera person fell over.
Speaker 5: I did too that I was really worried that a
camera person fell either into the pool or like off
of the edge of something, because they had a really
crazy camera angle and it like shakes and then it
seems out and a way and we hear veronica.
Speaker 2: God like reaction rather than like, oh, she's just like,
oh God, damn it. Did this ship again? They recap
hof she like broke her foot last time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was legitimately worried. Though I was legitimately worried
that it was a camera person.
Speaker 4: I thought it was one of the casts that fell in.
Speaker 6: I thought they just slipped and fell in the pool,
and it's gonna be like a comedic moment.
Speaker 3: Well it was. It sort of was a comedic moment
to me because it's like, what are all these fat
fucking people doing on this show that can't walk down
steps without getting injured? And like we've talked like Anissa
does this and ship. Now Veronica has two seasons in
a row that she's she is gonna take herself out
of the game by walking down not in a game
or thank you Carlon, get off of a show where
you have to prove your physical prowess. If walking down
steps is what takes you out multiple seasons, like, come on,
you're done. You're done. It's just like when Ana walks
across the field and sprains are ankle. It's like that
sucks for you, but you're done. You're done, Like like
you can't do it, you can't play the game.
Speaker 4: I think. I think it's just coincidence. That's not that bad.
Speaker 3: I did find you're so full of ship, you're so
full of shiit.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's a coincidence. It happens to these fat fucking ladies
that never happens to the insa people.
Speaker 4: Why Because if I had to do something physical, do
you know who?
Speaker 6: One of the top challenges I would want on my
team is Nom? And Nom has had so many stupid injuries.
But I still think he's a very physical, strong player.
Speaker 5: Yeah he is, but he also couldn't stick out the
mental game.
Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't pick Nom. Why
would I gets hurt all the time? I would pick
people that don't get hurt.
Speaker 6: If I a physical challenge, I'm like, yeah, that's the
guy that can throw me on his shoulder and like
climb up a mountain one.
Speaker 3: No, we can't.
Speaker 7: We can't guess he's gonna injure himself.
Speaker 3: We've never seen him do anything like that.
Speaker 5: No, I'm never im never made it through an entire season. No,
was not nom is not a good choice. I don't
care how many times you try to say it. Noam,
it's not a good choice. Banana, this is a better
choice than nam is. It was so bad.
Speaker 4: If you watch was this qushow as an Ultimate Beast Master.
I watched him on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Ultimate Beast Master is not the Challenge and
not the same thing. You can't say that they're really
good on one show and they're gonna be really good
on here.
Speaker 7: It doesn't always translate.
Speaker 6: You're right, But in the physical Challenge, I would say
the hardest physical challenge I've ever done on the Challenge,
like Daily Challenge would be the easiest challenge.
Speaker 4: You ever did on Beast Master.
Speaker 5: Okay, again, they're not the same challenge Beast Mastered. I
don't give a shit about that show because it's not
the challenge. Don't care you're you're talking like apples to Tesla's.
They don't give a shit. They're two very different things.
But The only person that's actually on the show that
we have seen like really competitive person who we've seen
sprain and ankle was peanut Button Nicole, and we watched
her sprain it hard and then continue for like two
laps on that thing. They forced her out of that game,
like she didn't do the Oh my ankles hurt, I
can't do it.
Speaker 7: She was dying to continue going.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's the problem I have is that
there there's there's definitely people that have bad luck and
they stepped wrong and they did whatever and whatever.
Speaker 5: We saw Olivia gets smashed in the face of a
golf ball and talk about still wanting to continue.
Speaker 3: I have so much sympathy or empathy or whatever the
word is for people like that, like I want them
to come back or whatever. Veronica, Veronica, it's like you
can't wear your heels and walk down steps, like sorry,
you can't win the challenge then, like you just can't
be on this show, like you.
Speaker 6: Sound like she got her and she quit like first
the first time she did that, they forced her out.
This time, she iced it overnight and the next day
she's like, I'm good, no problem, life moves on.
Speaker 3: I'm not acting like anything. I'm I'm reacting to it
the way that she did. She made it a big
fucking thing, in the same way that Anissa does when
she gets hurt every season, get hurt. It's like a
big fucking thing. Yeah, And at some point it's like,
I don't feel sorry for you anymore, Like you're old
and you're out of shape, but you keep getting hurt
Like of course you do like I would do.
Speaker 5: You're still gonna get hurt in a really ordinary way too.
Speaker 7: That's the problem.
Speaker 5: It's an ordinary way to get hurt. Yeah, And this
is a show that you're not supposed to get hurt
in ordinary ways.
Speaker 3: Because we're trying to watch exceptional people, right, that's the
point of this show.
Speaker 7: At least exceptional in some ways.
Speaker 5: I found this entire scene really funny though, because Frank,
who has a dot, as he reminds us of yet again,
he is a doctorate in physical therapy. But yet you
have Shane and all of these other people around Veronica
trying to her like these are the things you should
be doing to heal your foot, and you have someone
who is an actual physical therapist who's like, you don't
you don't actually need to do any of these things. This.
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 5: I appreciated that Frank just kind of sat back, like,
I can't I know that I can't fucking say anything
because these idiots are not going to listen to me,
even though I literally have a doctorate in this ship.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't listen to him either, Yeah, what are you
seriously you listen to you?
Speaker 3: Would you listen to Shane over Frank?
Speaker 2: If you're Veronica, believe you see a guy who wears
the helmet with the red light on it instead of the.
Speaker 5: Guy And I'm only going to believe him if he's
wearing the helmet with the red light on it while
he's telling me all of it now, ridiculous ship.
Speaker 2: I'll admit most of the reason I will be ignoring
Frank and listening to Shane is because I know Frank
will pout nobody fucking listening to me, and I will
do it on purpose, and I'll be like, yeah, because
you're a fucking idiot. I'm glad. I'm glad, Knight Slash.
Speaker 3: But Shane looked dumb here, right, Shane. Shane was the
one that Shane looked.
Speaker 7: Like snake oil here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Wolf, you're the only one that disagree, you think, Shane.
Speaker 2: There, get those compression socks on. Let's go baby.
Speaker 6: Frank looked like he was trying to legitimately help her.
Shane looked like he was just trying to kiss ass
like you know.
Speaker 3: A thousand percent. And I love you Shane, Shane. Shane
probably still listen to this podcast. I love you Shane.
You look like a garbage person. Change, Yes, he does.
He looks super insecure and weird.
Speaker 2: She's gonna put his head lamp on her foot, but
that would give her hobbit feet.
Speaker 5: No, that would give her hobbit foot have. The really
good thing about this whole Veronica falling thing is we
get a lot of erotica confessionals this seon this episode.
Speaker 2: How are those things in there lifted up like that?
Speaker 7: I do not know?
Speaker 5: Her boobs look fucking great, though.
Speaker 4: I can't say. The good thing is that we got.
Speaker 2: To Tims.
Speaker 3: No, not my deal, not my bag.
Speaker 2: I am for me, So I've been enjoying it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Zach, Zach, how do you feel about Veronica's titties?
Speaker 5: You have commented on every boob shirt that there has
been out there, and the boobyist of boob shirts. You
have nothing to say about.
Speaker 3: I stopped. I stopped complimenting boobs at about the medium size.
You know, too big, Yeah.
Speaker 5: But these are natural.
Speaker 3: Those are too big.
Speaker 7: Those are real.
Speaker 3: Too big, too big, you are too big.
Speaker 7: You can leave.
Speaker 2: Shut up. Would be awesome, Carlin says she wants to
motor boat shut your mouth.
Speaker 3: I would absolutely, Moti would too.
Speaker 5: I No, you don't get to say that you would
motor boat her if you're not, If you're not going
to talk objectifying your boobs and say that they're too big, you.
Speaker 3: Put her against her. You put her against like a
Michayla and that shirt. Michayla. Yeah, every time, every time.
Speaker 4: Who's Michayla.
Speaker 5: You kidding?
Speaker 3: Who's Michayla, Zach, What do you mean, who's Michayla.
Speaker 5: She's the one with the Hamburger tattoo from Survivor.
Speaker 3: In Hamburger tattoo, You're.
Speaker 7: You're thinking, I'm thinking Kayla.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, Michayla, Michayla from Survivor.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think you're talking to someone on the Challenge.
Speaker 3: She's been on several seasons of the Challenge.
Speaker 4: Wait, oh, black Michaela, Black.
Speaker 3: MICHAELA, and she wears this shirt sometimes where it's like
you can see.
Speaker 2: I'm bringing Mariah back.
Speaker 5: You can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I can't see what that is. I can't
see it.
Speaker 5: As from last season, season before, No, I would choose
Veronica for Mikayla.
Speaker 3: You're wrong, man, Zach, bad call, bad call.
Speaker 7: Anyway, We're on.
Speaker 2: Melissa Veronica.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, we're almost your motor boat.
Speaker 2: You gotta go with Veronica.
Speaker 7: If you're motor boating, absolutely, Veronica. I want to drown
in those bitches.
Speaker 3: WHOA all right, well we know where Carlin's at.
Speaker 5: If I'm going to motor boat somebody I wanted, like
Melissa bigger than mine.
Speaker 3: But that's not that's not like what you that's like
a that's like a it's a novelty thing. It's not
something you build a. It's like, that's on me pursue.
Speaker 5: If I'm motor boating somebody I want to drown.
Speaker 2: Carlin wants to lay flat and have Veronica just drop
them right on her face, because I would die.
Speaker 3: It would crush your skull, They would yes brains and
splatter all over wherever you were lying.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm always trying to get you all to
go with me at Challenge Media. If we get Veronica
to Chicago, will you guys all if we get Carl
in the motor boat? Yes, Veronica at the event? Yes, yes, No,
come on, Carlin, put.
Speaker 4: Your face where your mouth is.
Speaker 5: I don't need.
Speaker 4: Online. We'll just keep it for our own personal enjoyment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might not put it online, but everybody else
who's there, who is there would uh.
Speaker 7: Anyway, we're on nominations.
Speaker 5: It starts off with Melissa and Nicole volunteering there is
no actual nomination.
Speaker 3: Dumb hate this, hate this, And then it.
Speaker 5: Goes around, oh, well, you know, we want to go
against our friends Katie and Veronica, And then we have
Turbo saying, oh well they want to go against it.
Speaker 7: They want to go so they can steal our star.
And that's literally it.
Speaker 5: That's the the entirety of Nomine's lame.
Speaker 7: Yes, it was super lame.
Speaker 3: Do you guys hear that cat?
Speaker 5: Cat?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he wants to go outside?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you let your cat outside?
Speaker 3: It's like a baby. Yeah, should I do that? He
sleeps outside every night every night, now, every single night.
It's about this time he winds. He's outside every night,
and I let him back into the morning and he
has more injuries. I don't know. I think he sleeps in.
I mean I think he sleeps during the day and
then they go outside all night, and when I let
him in, he's like he's all fucked up. He's getting
in fights all night for sure.
Speaker 4: No, keep him inside. Then why you laying him out?
Speaker 3: Because if I if I keep him inside, he will
jump up out of my bed and scream in my ear.
He will literally scratch me and scream in my ear
until I let him outside. People scratch my to.
Speaker 5: Cat. This is what happens when you have animals.
Speaker 3: I solve it by I put it. He wants to
go outside, I put him outside.
Speaker 5: Well, then you have to deal with them getting in
or potentially not coming home.
Speaker 4: You're gidding.
Speaker 3: No, I don't deal with it at all. It's fine
with me. I just feel guilty about it. It feels weird,
But that's what he wants. I just like, let him do.
Speaker 4: It, get beat up and abused by other animals.
Speaker 3: He's but that's what he wants.
Speaker 7: Don't complain.
Speaker 3: I'm not complaint. It's just it's like it's a weird thing.
It's a weird cat.
Speaker 6: He probably just wants to go out there and like
chill and mind his own business, and these other cats
are attacking them and dogs and this episode.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, so that doesn't matter what eliminated.
Speaker 5: This is we get out of it. We're going to
elimination and we get an ominous talking head from Sam
about how the game is always changing. You gotta be
ready for anything. I really don't know why they put
that in. There be absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: That Shane could throw Frank and Samon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it just it felt like a red hair
like it just it felt completely out of the blue
and like it was not even something worth talking about
because but.
Speaker 3: Also but also why didn't he weren't you, like faked
out at all that like maybe he would somebody would too.
It seemed it really seemed like he might.
Speaker 5: Maybe. I just felt like they were said that he
was so much on the Katie and Veronica want to
go against I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, well, Zach, why Zach, Why didn't he give me,
give me a reason? Why didn't he throw them in?
Speaker 6: I think it just came down to his friendship and
loyalty to Veronica, and he didn't want to screw her
over just to get rid of Frank.
Speaker 3: So Frank, so Shane's a better friend than Veronica.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: It seems like in this situation, yet, at this point
in the game, when it's possibly everybody thinks it's the
last elimination, I would take up on Nannie says and
be like, good look, your friends don't pay your bills.
I would be like, yeah, throwing Frank and Sam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess another think about it, with
the learning at the very end of this that they
all thought that this was the last elimination, it does
seem really strange that he didn't throw with Frank and
Sam in yeah, because then their star would have been
up for grabs, like it would have been.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really didn't think it was a possibility. I
didn't know for sure, but going into this commercial break,
I was like, I do kind of wonder Shane hates Frank,
Like why wouldn't Shane do this? This is this is
his chance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But even if he did think this was the
final elimination, I think he would rather try to get
rid of Turbo Nani or Adam and Steistar than Frank's
because I think if you think about who.
Speaker 4: Can I be at the end both of them are
threatening than Frank is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean true, but then why not throw one
of them into elimination? I mean these eliminations are all
built so that anyone can win. Yeah, and like this
one especially, anybody could have won this.
Speaker 4: Because they were able.
Speaker 6: The winner, even if they were a non star horror,
got to steal a star. So they're like, well, we
don't need to throw an a star holder to get
rid of their star.
Speaker 4: We just need to have anyone win.
Speaker 5: And yeah, but there's no guarantee of whose star they're
going to steal. You can guarantee that a star holder
would lose or not guarantee, but you can guarantee who
would be the one to lose a star if he
throws someone in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does seem like pretty much the whole cast
seemed unified on taking Turbo and Nannies.
Speaker 2: And Patty brings up. Did we know that they would
get to steal a star? Have non star holders gone
in yet?
Speaker 5: I think this is the first time we've had two
non star holder teams go against each other, because like
it was Adam and Steve in the first few and
they've had a star for a while the beginning because
I had that same thought. Yeah, so Shane, they get
TJ asked who's going in against them? Shane says Veronica
and Katie, and then we get again another red herring
where Davon puts her hand up and says, uh, what
happens if we disagree? And they cut to commercial. H
This was so dumb lame the moment that she said
this and then they cut to commercials.
Speaker 7: Of course they're not going to do anything.
Speaker 5: Of course nothing is if if this is an actual question,
TJ is gonna say, well, you have to do it
and find or like, is that what you want to do?
And he's not going to give them the actual answer.
That's never how this has happened. So it was just
it was dumb yep, yeah, all right. Uh the game
is called Pin Pop Zachie been in as you want
to explain the game?
Speaker 4: Yes, so they're both stan like to.
Speaker 6: Each team has a partner standing on blocks across from
each other, and there's I believe it was seven balloons
hidden under boxes and you had like a rope with
a spike on it, and you had to use the
rope between the two of you to move the spike.
Speaker 4: Over each box and stick it through.
Speaker 6: A little hole to pop the balloon, and if you
popped it from the side, it did not count.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Ye, actually I did everything else removed. I liked this elimination.
I thought this is really good. Kind of all skills
included in this I like too.
Speaker 5: I did wish that I wanted the boxes with the
balloons in them not to be in a straight line,
but to be kind of zigzagg, so it was more
of a chance for you to accidentally put it down
on the side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, minor improvement, but really I liked this premise.
I liked this is a good like anybody can win it,
but it's still tense, It's still requires skill and endurance
and concentration, like this is a good, well rounded game. Yep,
that was you know, anybody can win this game. Yeah, big,
big fan of this one.
Speaker 5: Me too. Yeah, we're gonna go with Carnival games. Melissa
said that she's gonna be really good at this game.
Finally something I'm good at, because she's really good at
arcade claw games, which is a weird skill to have.
Speaker 3: Absolutely true, though, my daughter Daisy is really good at them.
She fucking rocks them. It's crazy, right, it's a legit skill. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Cool. And the game, I mean, it is super tense
the entire time. It comes down to the very last
balloon and they look like it ultimately ends up being
Melissa and Nicole who win, but it looked like Veronica
and Katie were just right behind them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fractions of a second. Really, it looked bouncing around
that little bitty hole to get in memory and it
was yeah, this had to be at less than a second,
two seconds to win, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so oh Melissa Nicole when and then you know,
TJ asks who do you want to steal your star from?
Melyssa give some never ending speech about how Turbo's a
prick and that they're stealing the star from them, and
Nanny says that that's totally fine. They want to lose
to Adam and Steve in the final yep.
Speaker 3: And this is the worst part of the episode, right
because now we know there's five teams total, there's four
stars and TJ says, see you at the next challenge.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: So there's no point in stars again, right, is there?
Are we ready to call this? Stars have not mattered
all season and they do not matter now.
Speaker 5: No, it's the same thing that they do every year.
They did the same thing with the skulls years ago.
They've done it with stars. The only time that this
actually mattered was when it was Keys on the Island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that because there were people that
actually like stood around for the final. They couldn't fucking
do it because they didn't have the key. That's all
these that's the point of this mechanism. And if you're
not gonna enforce the mechanism, what's the point.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I find it kind of hilarious that they actually
thought that this would be the last game. I didn't
think this would be the last game, just because they
The Challenge has not done that sort of format since
the Island. Yeah, and I'd be very surprised if they
ever did it again. Like they're gonna do it where
everybody still gets a chance until the last possible second.
There's gonna be a purge, or there's gonna be a
last minute elimination, or there's gonna be something where the
team that didn't get the chance at it gets the
chance at it. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stupid, and I have no Devil's the advocate position.
I wish I could have one. But it's like, if
there's four gold Stars and there's four teams in the final,
there's nothing, there's nothing, there's no value to the gold Star.
It's really just like get to the final. It's the
same as it is all every season, Like what's the point.
So I do agree with Nannie and Turbo. It makes
total sense that they're thinking to themselves, I'm gonna get
cut because there's four gold Stars and there's five teams. Yeah,
so that they're going again. It's like it just eliminates,
like there's no point to the stars. We've been talking
about this all season and there's not any point to them.
There's never been any Yeah, Zach defend it.
Speaker 6: I think the whole point is just so you don't
have a team like let's say Jay and and Jenna
that win no daily challenges, win no eliminations and get
to a file and get to run it. You have
to win at least one daily challenge. You have to
win at least one elimination to earn a.
Speaker 3: Star, do you though, I mean, I guess you have to.
I guess, I mean, I guess you have to. But
that's true of any even without the with even without
the mechanism of a star. That's true.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, like you, yes, you do have to
win an elimination, but you don't really have to. They
could have won, They could have been one of the
first four in the first game to get to the end,
but you have to actually win it. You just had
to be one of the first four.
Speaker 6: And then you protect you've successfully protected it the entire season, not.
Speaker 3: Which is what Interbo done essentially, I guess, yeah, which.
Speaker 5: I mean in the case of Jay and Jenna, as
you like to say, people like to carry people to
the final because they know they're gonna they're gonna win
against them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if Jay and Jenna.
Speaker 5: Had been that team to come in fourth place and
get the start at the beginning, then the other teams
may be like, we're just gonna let them keep that
for the for the while and knowing that we're gonna
be able to beat them in the final.
Speaker 6: So but also think and if Jay and Jenna got
at the beginning, there'd be some winning team along the
way that did not have a star. They'd be like,
let's get them in there and just get ourselves thrown
in against them.
Speaker 3: But I think they did that anyway, even without calling
it a star, right. I mean, it's that's the point
of these layup teams, and that's the point of bringing
somebody sort of shitty to the final. Yeah, like you
don't call it, you know, you don't call it a
star holder, but it's the same basic thing, like you're
working for a lesser team to hold a star, hold
a place in the final.
Speaker 6: Let' say I think someone like a Kadian Veronica very
could have easily, you know, made it to a final
this season if it wasn't for the stars, just because
you know, they would throw in Turbo and Nanni against
Adam and Steve, and then Katie would never get her
star and they just get in by default, which is
why they went in this time, because they say, we
need to at least win to get in.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna.
Speaker 3: Get but instead next episode, we're gonna see somebody get
in by default, right.
Speaker 7: I mean in a sense like.
Speaker 6: Let's say, let's say next week Adam and Steve against
frankn Sam. Does that mean by default they the loser
has to give their star to Turbo Nanni or is
it just like hey, now it's a three three team finale, Turbo, Nanni,
you're cut because you never went in there and earned
it back.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see, not just ask the don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see what I think we're used to.
Four teams start in the final and three teams finished
the final. Right, that's kind of what we're used to,
and it seems like what they're gearing up for. So
I don't think anything's going to change, but I guess
I'm ready to be wrong. We'll see.
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Speaker 5: I mean the only thing that happened the very end
was Nannie breaking down to Turbo and saying that she's
tired of being nice, and Turbo telling her that she's traumatized.
Speaker 3: Nose.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Part of me wish that we saw Nannie then like
say that she's tired of being nice and then stand
up with a cup of noodles, walk into the living
room where everybody else is and starts screaming at people
and throwing cup of noodles everywhere.
Speaker 3: Time to stop being nice and start getting real.
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Speaker 2: Carlin looked like her eyes are about to fall out
of her head. What happened?
Speaker 3: Look?
Speaker 4: Did you look at the fantasy?
Speaker 5: So I did that's thought.
Speaker 3: Oh, Carlin's number one number.
Speaker 7: So I'm looking at the at the host Fantasy League.
Speaker 5: I did something this week that I never thought possible.
Speaker 7: I am now beating Zachie Bananas.
Speaker 5: Congratulations, which is crazy because I also lost to people
on my team.
Speaker 7: I lost Katie and Veronica this.
Speaker 3: Week, but you had the worst team, Carling, So fuck
you for having the worst goddamn team in the world
and still like fucking first place with your fucking terrible
ass team.
Speaker 7: Dude, I'm that fucking flew me away.
Speaker 5: I did not expect that at all. Yeah. So I'm
in first, Zaxon second, Wolf is and third and the
changing the fourth.
Speaker 9: Yeah all right, and then's the one that everybody actually
cares about, the public league.
Speaker 5: So this week we have a new first placer, and
that place that person is take the Stars and run
up two places. Second place down one from first place
is none of your business, and third place is Kiki
one more time, and then I am in fifth place.
I went up one spot. Zachie Bananas went up two
spots to sixth place. The Challenge host team is in
seventh place. We went up four spots this week, and
then we have keep scrolling.
Speaker 3: Shutting, shut up, Jesus crazy.
Speaker 5: Wolf. He went down to twentieth the big Uncle sweeteas
in twenty first.
Speaker 3: But I'm coming for you, Wolf. I'm one spot behind you, Wolfe.
I'm coming till.
Speaker 5: I think you just need to like reassess your your gameplay.
Speaker 3: I know I'm not.
Speaker 5: You try to do this slow play thing and it
just does not work, dude.
Speaker 3: This Yeah, I'm not doing great this season. I'm not
doing great.
Speaker 2: Wow, what can I say?
Speaker 5: How many points did you get this episode? You had
one hundred and eighteen this episode? That's pretty good. Yeah,
so you picked Davon, Katie, Veronica, and Shane.
Speaker 2: I did all right?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Katie and Veronica got you five points,
but Davon and Shane got you the rest of it. Yeah,
they got a ton Katie and Veronica gun all right?
Speaker 3: And this was this is episode nine? Right? Do we
think there's Do you think there's twelve episodes this season?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 3: So next season eliminades regular elimination.
Speaker 5: And then do reunions with this show.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there's is there three
episodes left, one one more for the elimination than two
for the final three totals.
Speaker 5: I would think one for elimination and one for final
because it's all stars. I don't know that they do
a two part final, but I don't know. Uh So
Wolfe on his team, he picked Davon, Sam, Shane and Steve.
Pretty good picks one thirty three. Zachie Bananas picked Nanny, Nicole,
Sam and Turbo.
Speaker 7: God damn.
Speaker 5: Nanny got sixty points. Sixty one points this episode. It's insane.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I forgot about the the Devon and Shane drama
from last week's preview.
Speaker 5: YEP.
Speaker 2: According to to Be, there twelve episodes total this season.
Speaker 5: Okay, Frank, Melissa and Shane. And then who did we
pick for the host team host team? What are you guy?
Strategies for picking team members for the host team?
Speaker 3: Zero zero? It's a feeling.
Speaker 7: Host team is Davon, Sam and Turbo.
Speaker 6: My strategy early on was to try to spread it
out so we didn't burn through all our people.
Speaker 4: But then after the first week or.
Speaker 6: Two, I stopped asking you who's been used already?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will.
Speaker 5: Send who's left because I know that we burned up
all the nanny picks. Yeah, so we're all doing pretty well.
That type of thing. Be honest, do we have anything
social media wise?
Speaker 6: We had Amanda that has uh sounded off on the
Frank versus Shane debate, taking a Shane's side and Uh.
Frank responded, thanking her for being yes, yeah, and Frank
said he loves it when fans comment on the show.
Speaker 3: I like it, I know, but it's great.
Speaker 6: The Miz did an interview with US Weekly earlier this
week where he confirmed he's retired from the challenge and
will not be coming back even for All Stars, but
he said he really enjoyed watching Bananas and West on
The Traders, and he is open to going on that show.
Speaker 3: Oh the Traders, Everybody's Traders. Zach, did you talk about
meeting me and you in Cleveland?
Speaker 4: He unfortunately did not.
Speaker 3: God damn.
Speaker 6: He talked about I started his own golfing YouTube channel,
but I've looked it up and it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: So he's a liar.
Speaker 3: Apparently, So next time we meet him, Zach can call
him out.
Speaker 4: We'll have to do that.
Speaker 3: Heymans, was your fucking golf channel? You show me how
to hold the thing here?
Speaker 6: I want you guys thoughts on this and my thoughts.
I mean, I just want your ship on Devin Devin.
Devin did an interview earlier this week and they were
talking about the season forty uh final and they asked him,
you know, what would have been your strategy to get
rid of Jordan beforehand? And He's like, listen, if I
had known his giby all swimming and yeah, Jordan's gotta go.
But a non swimming final, I'm taking Jordan to the
final because I'm not you know, most situations, I'm beating
Jordan in a.
Speaker 3: True no Dens mind.
Speaker 2: For the most part until I remember I think he's
a trumper, and then I realized I get sad. Jordan's hey,
I'm done. This podcast is over.
Speaker 5: God damn it. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Most of the people that we look at the face
of the challenge.
Speaker 2: No car, which was super dis I wanted to find out.
Speaker 3: It's very upsetting. It's very upsetting these people. Yeah, they're
stupider than we thought. It's crazy. We like we thought
they were stupid. Turns out they're stupider than we thought.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to the world before social media,
when nobody knew anything.
Speaker 3: Please let's please all right.
Speaker 6: So we'd have to have you go in the real
world and like scream racist things to know what side
you were on.
Speaker 3: Simpler times, you know.
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so I'm gonna publicly shame her on the show.
Speaker 7: All Right, you didn't promote it the first like year
that we had it.
Speaker 2: Now you've I was gone for a week. Uh, hey, everybody,
we all love you. Just get it still, all right
for this episode of Challenge, this has been brother.
Speaker 5: For one of you. You know who you are, big
ungut with you, Harlan san Diego, Zachie.
Speaker 2: Bananas and as uh Frank said, I'm franky, I'm stupid.
Speaker 3: He didn't say that.
Speaker 4: I don't recall that either.
Speaker 3: Char