Speaker 1: California passed the law number of years ago that came
Speaker 1: into an effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from purchasing
Speaker 1: ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. And there's
Speaker 1: a background check requirement, among some other things that that
Speaker 1: law did.
Speaker 2: When the governor at the time was touring the state.
Speaker 1: Kind of touting how great this bill was for Californians,
Speaker 1: his security detail was denied.
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Speaker 3: and Colt all Right, Welcome in to gun Talk Nation
Speaker 3: today and Guntalk Nation. Let's talk about online Ammo. Let's
Speaker 3: talk about how do you find Ammo, what do you
Speaker 3: buy Ammo? And the guys behind it, and maybe we'll
Speaker 3: pick up some secrets I don't know, some some pro
Speaker 3: tips for you. Welcoming on the show today, Ammunition Depot
Speaker 3: Dan Woolgin, Welcome in Man.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. So glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Dan. We were talking the other day and I was
Speaker 3: just we've I think people probably know ammunition Depot because
Speaker 3: it's one of the places when you're you're scrounging around
Speaker 3: the internet for for Ramo, you always run across, you guys,
Speaker 3: and uh, it seems like that's become one of the
Speaker 3: ways people shop for RAMO these days, is buying it online.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, first, we certainly hope that people have
Speaker 1: heard of us, but if they haven't, we hope that
Speaker 1: they come they come check us out. You know, buying
Speaker 1: everything online has become one of the ways that that
Speaker 1: people go and kind of get what they need for
Speaker 1: their lives.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, ammunition is no different.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's heavy, and so it is a little
Speaker 1: bit different in that generally when you're coming to shop online,
Speaker 1: you aren't going to come and buy one box of
Speaker 1: fifty rounds or one box of twenty rounds of hollow point.
Speaker 2: And hip that.
Speaker 1: But as long as you're coming for a good assortment
Speaker 1: of ammunition, you can build a nice a nice order.
Speaker 2: Then it's going to be a.
Speaker 1: Really cost effective way for customers to get the products
Speaker 1: that they're looking for at a really competitive price and convenient.
Speaker 2: It's going to come right to your door.
Speaker 1: Or if you're buying a firearm, you know, right to
Speaker 1: your your chosen gun shop to go and do a transfer.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's a great way to well, you
Speaker 1: have to be inside the United States, so that's right.
Speaker 3: Sorry, guys. I can help you, you know, I feel like.
Speaker 2: The reality and you can.
Speaker 1: You kind of can sell into California. You can buy
Speaker 1: ammunition in California. It's just a bit of a complicated process.
Speaker 1: We're doing everything we can to make that easier for
Speaker 1: the Californian consumers. And I joke, but you know, our
Speaker 1: American brothers and sisters in the state of California. So
Speaker 1: we are a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the state
Speaker 1: of California trying to kind of regain what we consider
Speaker 1: Second Amendment rights constitutional rights Californians.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, So California passed the law number of years ago
Speaker 1: that came into effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from
Speaker 1: purchasing ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. There's
Speaker 1: an import ban, and there's a background check requirement, amongst
Speaker 1: some other things that that law did, which essentially forced
Speaker 1: the Californian consumer to go into a physical brick and
Speaker 1: mortar store to purchase ammunition and have a background check
Speaker 1: done on them. Of course, no background check systems in
Speaker 1: our nation are set up to handle the kind of
Speaker 1: volume that would be required to background check every time
Speaker 1: somebody wants to buy amo. In fact, there was a
Speaker 1: really a really kind of funny anecdote when the governor
Speaker 1: at the time was touring the state kind of touting
Speaker 1: how great this bill was for Californians. His security detail
Speaker 1: was denied when they tried to run.
Speaker 2: It back crund check.
Speaker 1: Now, so obviously you know, it didn't really work the
Speaker 1: way that it was intended to work. So we're we're
Speaker 1: doing everything that we can. We're we're playing upunt of lawsuit.
Speaker 1: It's currently sitting with the Ninth Circuit, which, should we prevail,
Speaker 1: which I certainly hope that we do, Californians will again
Speaker 1: be able to purchase ammunition online and have it shipped
Speaker 1: directly to their homes like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can, and basically the rest of the state, the.
Speaker 3: Country freedom maybe ye, well in the night.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprising lately because in the past we
Speaker 3: called it the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals and nothing
Speaker 3: positive for guns or gun rights could get out of
Speaker 3: that freaking court. And in the last I don't know,
Speaker 3: two three four years, you've had some some decisions go
Speaker 3: a surprising way that was kind of pro free, pro gun,
Speaker 3: which has been good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So over the last I don't know, let's say, decade,
Speaker 1: there's been a number of judges appointed to that court
Speaker 1: who have more reasonable views in my opinion, right, but
Speaker 1: I suppose you could call them more conservative views, particularly
Speaker 1: with respect to gun rights. And as a result, when
Speaker 1: you go and challenge these courts with a case, you
Speaker 1: kind of get randomly assigned the judges and it starts
Speaker 1: with three judges. Obviously, our legal systems are complicated, so
Speaker 1: it can go a couple of different ways from there,
Speaker 1: but it starts with three judges, and it can be
Speaker 1: a little bit of the luck of the draw. So
Speaker 1: sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that people listening to this need to do,
Speaker 3: because sometimes when we talk about court cases, you know,
Speaker 3: I guess it's not necessarily a right into your senators thing,
Speaker 3: but maybe just keep an eye on it or support
Speaker 3: it in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, the California Rifle and Pistol Associate and the NRA
Speaker 1: are really the entities that are supporting this this fight.
Speaker 1: And so if you're so inclined, then you like what
Speaker 1: it is these entities do. Their nonprofit entities, they need
Speaker 1: your support monetarily. It's also never a bad idea to
Speaker 1: write your congress people, your senators, and your congress people.
Speaker 2: Let them know what you think.
Speaker 1: Maybe to a lesser extent other people's congress people, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all of those elected
Speaker 1: representatives are supposed to be representing the people as a whole.
Speaker 2: They have their constituents, but they.
Speaker 1: Should be thinking about what's best and what's desired by
Speaker 1: the people as a whole. So make your voices heard.
Speaker 1: That's I think really the most important part. Make them
Speaker 1: heard by voting, make them heard by spending your dollars,
Speaker 1: by donating your dollars, and you know more traditionally, by
Speaker 1: just actually getting your voice out there in a written
Speaker 1: or or verbal form. You can call your the offices
Speaker 1: of your of your congress people and senators as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, and do it on the state level.
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, I mean absolutely, And we've said it for
Speaker 3: years that I mean, so easy for people in other
Speaker 3: places to say, oh whatever, California that place is a mess.
Speaker 3: Why don't you just move whatever. But you don't want
Speaker 3: nonsense California laws to become law. You don't want them
Speaker 3: to spread. And they absolutely spread. I mean, it spreads
Speaker 3: to Oregon and Washington. It spreads in Arizona. Believe it
Speaker 3: or not. You have a lot of Californians there. You
Speaker 3: have a lot of Californians. Move into Utah and Idaho
Speaker 3: and all these places, and hell even like Texas. I
Speaker 3: mean there's you don't want that stuff to gain a
Speaker 3: foothold in the idea of these politicians who are I
Speaker 3: mean half of them are maybe great, and half of
Speaker 3: them or not, but they're kind of puppets and they're
Speaker 3: kind of going, well, that's a neat idea, let's try that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this concept also of like form legislation.
Speaker 1: So California put something together and they managed to get
Speaker 1: it through and there's maybe a challenge in this through
Speaker 1: to the state constitutional court and it's upheld politicians in
Speaker 1: another states see, Okay.
Speaker 2: They already did the hard work. Let's grab that and
Speaker 2: we'll see if we can't get that, we can't get
Speaker 2: that approved here.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely, you know, one way And it's funny
Speaker 1: you talk about people moving. I live in Florida, and
Speaker 1: we've had a huge influx of people really in the
Speaker 1: last five years since COVID moving into the state, and
Speaker 1: one of the concerns has been are they going to
Speaker 1: bring their politics with them? So you have a lot
Speaker 1: of people coming down from the northeast, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: which are certainly more liberal areas than Florida.
Speaker 2: Isn't in in.
Speaker 1: Certain you know, certain areas of the of society, And
Speaker 1: so far we haven't seen it. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a trend nationally, but it's always
Speaker 1: a concern. You say, hey, you know, Californians, why don't
Speaker 1: you just move? Well, I don't know which one. Somebody
Speaker 1: voted for those policies. So if they come, they come
Speaker 1: to your backyard and start voting for those policies again,
Speaker 1: that's that's not such.
Speaker 2: A good thing. So and everybody thinks, I don't want
Speaker 2: them to leave.
Speaker 1: I want I want it to be better for Californians
Speaker 1: in California, you know, and Chicagoan's in Chicago and New
Speaker 1: Yorkers in New York, among other places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And everybody thinks they're in the center. They
Speaker 3: always think that, like, I'm a little bit right of center.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm very very close to just right in the middle.
Speaker 3: I'm very very level headed. Except that, yeah, when you
Speaker 3: when you're surrounded by a certain mindset in San Francisco,
Speaker 3: you don't realize that maybe you're not in the center
Speaker 3: of whatever the average or the mean average or whatever
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: I forgot, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know mean median.
Speaker 2: We don't need that. It's true.
Speaker 1: On the other side, though, you know, I think the
Speaker 1: important thing is having an open mind, trying to listen,
Speaker 1: actually listen to two people.
Speaker 2: Because we can fight with each.
Speaker 1: Other all we want, but unless we can really understand
Speaker 1: the route behind the fight. On the other side, we
Speaker 1: can't really find a compromise that that's going to work
Speaker 1: for everybody, that's going to make everybody happy or equally unhappy.
Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, because that's really what compromises up being.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's important to I think, to try to
Speaker 1: not necessarily sympathize with other people's positions, but just understand them. Generally,
Speaker 1: those positions come with some amount of logic behind them.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't, but you know, one way or another.
Speaker 1: Try to understand where they're coming from so that you
Speaker 1: can effectively explain why maybe that's not the best position.
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Speaker 3: So Dan, people went absolutely bonkers buying ammunition online. And
Speaker 3: I would say we because I was probably in there
Speaker 3: as well. We all went bonkers, and you know, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty two, and people, I think, if they
Speaker 3: hadn't done it already, they figured out like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is a way to buy AMMO, and then they start
Speaker 3: shopping around and you're in everybody lists like the cost
Speaker 3: per round and all this stuff. But you're a guy
Speaker 3: who runs one of these sites. I mean, I kind
Speaker 3: of set you up, But I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if there are any tips and tricks or
Speaker 3: things like what are you noticing these days with amima?
Speaker 3: Because it's it's not as scarce as it was, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's more available.
Speaker 2: Now, certainly not right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd start with saying it's a great time to
Speaker 1: buy AMMA, meaning prices are about as low as I've
Speaker 1: seen them. I don't expect them to get any lower.
Speaker 1: We are as close to pre pandemic pricing as I
Speaker 1: think we're ever going to get. There was obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of inflation over the last five years. Makes it
Speaker 1: kind of hard. These things are mostly commodity metals. It
Speaker 1: makes it kind of hard to get back down to
Speaker 1: the prices that we were at before. So it's a
Speaker 1: great time to buy AMMO. Is you know the first
Speaker 1: thing that I would say, as far as you know secrets,
Speaker 1: you said tips, tricks, secrets. Buying AMMO firearms accessories online
Speaker 1: is really no different than buying any other valuable, important
Speaker 1: to you thing online, And so from my perspective, price
Speaker 1: is important, it needs to be competitive, But customer service
Speaker 1: and knowing that that company is going to be there
Speaker 1: to stand behind the product the experience if you need it,
Speaker 1: is I think equally, if not more important, and so
Speaker 1: that's something that we've really strived for at Ammunition Depot.
Speaker 1: We have among the highest customer service rates in the industry.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think the highest, but I suppose I
Speaker 1: can't say that definitively. But if you go and look
Speaker 1: online Better Business Bureau, Trust Pilot, Google, you know these
Speaker 1: kinds of things. We've ratings at five four point nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have a five anywhere, four
Speaker 1: point eight, four point ninety five. We track this internally
Speaker 1: something called an NPS, and we don't need to get
Speaker 1: too deep into it, but the best score you can
Speaker 1: get on an NPS is one hundred, and the worst
Speaker 1: score you can get as a negative one hundred.
Speaker 2: We consistently maintain a score between ninety and one hundred.
Speaker 1: Wow, which is unheard of for companies, let alone companies
Speaker 1: in our space, just companies. It's very difficult to find
Speaker 1: any company out there that's tracking NPS that has won
Speaker 1: that high. So it's really important for us. We try
Speaker 1: to put the customer first. Obviously, I also have to
Speaker 1: make money, so you know, we're not giving moway but
Speaker 1: very very competitive pricing, competitive shipping costs.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there'll be opportunities for free.
Speaker 1: Shipping or special promotions things like that, but we just
Speaker 1: keep it as tight as we can so that we
Speaker 1: can serve our customers for the long haul.
Speaker 2: We want to be here for one hundred years doing
Speaker 2: what we're doing.
Speaker 3: That makes a big difference when somebody has kind of
Speaker 3: a long term view because I think that you end
Speaker 3: up treating people the right way. You do things the
Speaker 3: right way because you're not chasing the week, the month,
Speaker 3: the quarter, whatever it may be, because you're trying to
Speaker 3: do it the right way. Yeah. I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: when we talk about shopping online a lot of times
Speaker 3: with the Ammo, a lot of times people are thinking
Speaker 3: about the bulk purchasing of Ammo. And one of the
Speaker 3: things I've noticed over the years, if you do this
Speaker 3: long enough, it's like, if you're a consumer of Ammo,
Speaker 3: like you you really shoot a lot. You shoot a
Speaker 3: lot of nine, you shoot a lot of two, two, three,
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, you really can dollar cost average
Speaker 3: this thing, whether it's every month or every couple months
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, buy it when it's cheap, because
Speaker 3: everybody runs out when things become scarce and the costs
Speaker 3: are higher. But if you're kind of like just buying
Speaker 3: all the time a little bit at a time, I mean,
Speaker 3: and I say a little bit. Ryan's version of a
Speaker 3: little bit is like maybe five hundred to one thousand rounds.
Speaker 2: Five hundred rounds, a thousand rounds. Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're gonna buy at least five hundred rounds,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do it cost effectively online.
Speaker 2: And if you have the.
Speaker 1: Space, I would agree, you know, buy every so often,
Speaker 1: a little bit more than you think you.
Speaker 2: Need, put it away.
Speaker 1: We're working on some things to help people even if
Speaker 1: they don't have the space, and some stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So hopefully in a couple of months I can come
Speaker 1: back and tell you about some neat stuff that we're doing.
Speaker 1: Not not really ready to throw that out there yet,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, prices are low, and the best
Speaker 1: thing that you can do to protect yourself and all
Speaker 1: of us really against those price spikes that happen is
Speaker 1: don't panic buy.
Speaker 2: And how do you not panic by by before you panic.
Speaker 3: Pre panic buy?
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, so you guys also make your own AMMO. You're
Speaker 3: loading Ammo, isn't that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we obviously sell everybody's Ammo, and we work
Speaker 1: with all of the major manufacturers in the United States
Speaker 1: and most of the major manufacturers globally.
Speaker 2: But we also manufacture AMMO ourselves.
Speaker 1: And we do that not because we're trying to become
Speaker 1: the biggest AMUM manufacturer and compete with Winchester Federal or whatever,
Speaker 1: but really just so that when things do go crazy,
Speaker 1: we can make sure that we have AMMO for our customers,
Speaker 1: because there's been times over the last couple of years
Speaker 1: we couldn't buy any AMMO. Yeah, at any price, didn't
Speaker 1: matter what I was willing to pay for it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't get AMMO in the door to service my customers.
Speaker 1: And so knowing that I have an alternative source through
Speaker 1: manufacturing of ammunition ourselves.
Speaker 2: Is really really valuable for really our customer base.
Speaker 3: What do you think about remanufactured AMO? Is that a
Speaker 3: good buy? Or is like because there're probably listeners who say,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to shoot that through
Speaker 3: my gun or whatever. I mean, what is remanufacturer? I mean,
Speaker 3: I know what it is, but like what would be
Speaker 3: the definition of and what is it not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so ammunition for handguns, rifles, your shotguns a little
Speaker 1: bit different, but let's just stick in kind of the
Speaker 1: handgun space because it's the simplest, no necked cartridge and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's a brass cartridge.
Speaker 1: When you shoot it, that brass expands and so it's
Speaker 1: no longer kind of inspect it's not the same shape
Speaker 1: it was before you shot it. So you can take
Speaker 1: that cartridge called a spent cartridge, you can remanufacture it,
Speaker 1: meaning get it back into tolerances. You clean it, you
Speaker 1: remove the spent primer, you shape it back into the
Speaker 1: right size, You put it in a new primer, you
Speaker 1: put in fresh powder, you put in obviously a new projectile,
Speaker 1: and now I've got a round of ammunition that was
Speaker 1: cheaper to produce because you didn't have to buy a
Speaker 1: new cartridge. Instead, you did all of this work to
Speaker 1: make the old cartridge kind of let's.
Speaker 2: Say, like new again. So it's usually actually do that
Speaker 2: quite a few times.
Speaker 3: It's usually made from like once fired brass, right.
Speaker 1: Once fired we call it ones fired brass. But you
Speaker 1: can actually reload a cartridge. There's no exact number, but
Speaker 1: it could be even like ten times before you start
Speaker 1: splitting that cartridge as you're trying to reform it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: once fired brass mostly comes from ranges, your range that
Speaker 1: you go to. If you're not picking up your brass,
Speaker 1: they're picking up your brass.
Speaker 3: And they're selling it.
Speaker 2: They're selling it. Yeah, so is it a good thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's good.
Speaker 1: It makes a good, cost effective option for people who
Speaker 1: shoot a lot. If you have extremely tight tolerance firearm,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to use reman. If you spent
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars on a Titanium nineteen eleven, you should
Speaker 1: probably pay up for some you know, some nice around.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Drive a car that costs six figures, don't put regular
Speaker 3: unleaded gas in it.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, same, same idea. Same.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna put the bargain bin tires on that
Speaker 1: vehicle either. So, but if you're I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to fan any of our you know,
Speaker 1: our brand partners that we work with. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a high point, you know, a porous
Speaker 1: three C or like lock, I mean.
Speaker 2: It'll eat anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you're.
Speaker 2: Shooting a lot, you're putting holes in pay Yeah, go
Speaker 2: for it, Yeah, go for it. It's a great way
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But you guys, I mean, if we sell.
Speaker 1: Match AMMO also self defense AMO, you know, magazines, cleaning
Speaker 1: all the stuff that.
Speaker 2: You would need to enjoy the shooting sports.
Speaker 3: Along those lines. Let's talk about that, because you guys
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Speaker 3: delta point pro RMSC cuts with co witness height sites.
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Speaker 3: which enables you to customize using Magpole Enhanced Grip handgun grips,
Speaker 3: and so they have different colors, different sizes, you can
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Speaker 3: dot com. All Right, so, Dan, when you say Ammunition Depot,
Speaker 3: you were like, oh, okay, they sell AMMO, but they
Speaker 3: also sell gun parts and guns and optics and magazines
Speaker 3: and you make your own AMMO. But you're making some
Speaker 3: other brands that you guys are doing. And I teased
Speaker 3: it before the break you've got a new thing that
Speaker 3: you told me about. And I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: what tell me more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we partnered with a company called Rattles like
Speaker 1: Tactical to make this magazine. It's you know, but for
Speaker 1: the spring and all Pollmer magazine, which is much like
Speaker 1: you've seen before. There's there's many brands on the market
Speaker 1: with something like this. This is a double stack N
Speaker 1: nine milimeter magazine which is made for the glock platform,
Speaker 1: so it's going to fit any double stack nine milimeter
Speaker 1: block or firearm that accepts magazines for double stack nine
Speaker 1: milimeter block.
Speaker 2: What's neat about this? It's thirty four rounds.
Speaker 1: I was able to squeeze thirty five in after the
Speaker 1: spring relaxed, but thirty four rounds. Call it thirty four.
Speaker 1: Packaging says thirty four. A couple of neat things. Number
Speaker 1: one lifetime warranty, so Rattle Sick Tactical. Anything happens, accidental damage,
Speaker 1: you drop it at the range and it breaks or whatever,
Speaker 1: they'll replace it for you. So I think that's very
Speaker 1: very cool. The other thing, and we push real hard
Speaker 1: on this is the cost. We've kept the cost way
Speaker 1: way down on this, so the MSRP is nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: which is in line with MSRPs on a lot of
Speaker 1: other stuff. We have partnered with Rattlesick Tactical for the
Speaker 1: exclusive rollout, so for some period of time we've all
Speaker 1: of the production capacity of Rattlesnake Tactical for this magazine.
Speaker 1: For that rollout, we are pricing it as low as
Speaker 1: they will let us.
Speaker 3: How low is that as we end.
Speaker 1: Well, as we sell more and more, we have to
Speaker 1: move the price up towards you know where it's going
Speaker 1: to be eventually. Unfortunately, the first three thousand of these
Speaker 1: already went out the door, and we were only allowed
Speaker 1: to sell three thousand at a cost of four ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and currently they are at five ninety nine, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how long that price will last. Eventually, I
Speaker 1: would expect to see this product in the market somewhere
Speaker 1: closer to the ten dollars price point. But for as
Speaker 1: just as long as Rattlesnake will let me keep buying
Speaker 1: them and selling them at that price, we will keep
Speaker 1: doing it. So we're going to keep the price as
Speaker 1: low as we possibly can. But you compare that to
Speaker 1: the other stuff in the market, and it's less.
Speaker 2: It's a significant amount less.
Speaker 1: And so you know you want to throw three or
Speaker 1: four ten of these in your range bag or and
Speaker 1: you're safe or whatever, you can really do that without
Speaker 1: without breaking the bank.
Speaker 3: So that is such a big deal because I mean,
Speaker 3: in me in the PCC world especially, I mean, perfect
Speaker 3: magazines can be expensive and everybody wants to extendo that's
Speaker 3: what they call it on the streets, the extendos, those
Speaker 3: those high capacity mags. And what's crazy is yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean for my like nine millimary PCC stuff, I mean,
Speaker 3: I have five, six, ten of those types of mags
Speaker 3: and I'll load them all up before I go to
Speaker 3: the range, just to save time, because that's it's.
Speaker 2: So much better. Nobody likes loading.
Speaker 3: Bags rounds, you know, and to be able to do
Speaker 3: that for six dollars per mag. Now, before you guys,
Speaker 3: we are going to have we're gonna drop a link
Speaker 3: into the description of this that'll take you over there
Speaker 3: and uh so you don't have to go searching. But
Speaker 3: Rattlesnake Tactical thirty four round nine milimeters magazine designed for
Speaker 3: block patterns, which obviously works for blocks, but there's a
Speaker 3: lot of guns that use block pattern magazines too.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep.
Speaker 1: Now the other real cool thing about it, I will
Speaker 1: throw this out there real quick. Together with Rattlesneak, we
Speaker 1: tested this and we had a third party test this also,
Speaker 1: and it outperforms the similar magazines on the market. So
Speaker 1: the other polymer magazines on the market, they all perform
Speaker 1: similarly on a drop test. From a durability perspective, they're
Speaker 1: all the same. But the failure rate, which is failure
Speaker 1: to feed mostly on this magazine was about a tenth
Speaker 1: one tenth of the failure rate on similar magazines.
Speaker 2: How do you achieve it's way way.
Speaker 3: More in the follower and the feed lips or what
Speaker 3: is it that kind of makes it more liable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of engineering that goes into these mags.
Speaker 1: They seem like they're all the same and they seem
Speaker 1: like it's an easy, simple thing, but in reality, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of engineering there on the inside of this
Speaker 1: magazine tube, on the follower spring that's used on the
Speaker 1: tilt and can't of the follower, and the top of
Speaker 1: the spring itself, the geometry of the follower, So there's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: That goes into it.
Speaker 1: And these guys just did a great job making a
Speaker 1: magazine that is cheap and reliable and designed, manufactured, packaged, conceived,
Speaker 1: sold entirely in the United States of America. So no
Speaker 1: parts of this magazine that's a good party coming from overseas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that people would assume to get to
Speaker 3: that cost, it would have to be shipped in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 3: What are what are other questions that people ask about this,
Speaker 3: because it's like automatically, when something is a surprise, the
Speaker 3: cost is a surprisingly lower than what they think. They go, Okay,
Speaker 3: well is it any good? What's the construction of it?
Speaker 3: You know? What other things would they want to know?
Speaker 2: Usually you nailed it. It goes right to.
Speaker 1: Like, well, it must be a piece of junk, right,
Speaker 1: If it's that cheap, it's got to be a piece
Speaker 1: of junk. Uh, you know, And it's not, which is
Speaker 1: why we wanted to make sure that not only did
Speaker 1: we test this before we wanted to sell it to
Speaker 1: our consumers, but we had a third party test this
Speaker 1: as well against the big names.
Speaker 2: In the market. You know, kind of be nice and
Speaker 2: not name them.
Speaker 1: Here, but the bigger names in the market who your listeners,
Speaker 1: my customers might have some of their magazines certainly have
Speaker 1: used them before, and the whole the market is very
Speaker 1: very happy with those magazines, happy with the price point
Speaker 1: they're they're buying them up like crazy, and so we
Speaker 1: tested it against those to make sure that it was
Speaker 1: going to perform at least as well. Our hope was
Speaker 1: that it was just as good. We're if it's as
Speaker 1: good but cheaper, we're happy to bring that to our customers.
Speaker 1: We think they're going to love it. In reality ended
Speaker 1: up being better and cheaper. So that's that's the biggest
Speaker 1: question that we've gotten so far and that I expect
Speaker 1: to get, is Oh, it's a piece of junk. People say,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to replace the spring, it's going to
Speaker 1: have all these failures.
Speaker 2: It's it just doesn't seem to be true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what kind of guns did you test it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: So for the third party testing, we use the Glock line,
Speaker 1: so seventeens, nineteens, and forty six I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the mini. We've also tested it in a number of pccs,
Speaker 1: and later this week I'm going to go myself and
Speaker 1: test this in a new stribog that I got, which
Speaker 1: is going to be going to be really fun. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we've tested in a couple of different pccs and you know,
Speaker 1: basically the most popular firearms in the in the glock line.
Speaker 1: We made sure we're using the same firearm to test
Speaker 1: the different magazine so that it's not you know, we
Speaker 1: don't have something to do with with the gun. We
Speaker 1: put the dirty old the dirty old one that we
Speaker 1: didn't clean on the competitors or.
Speaker 2: Something like that. You know, that's that's certainly not the case.
Speaker 2: We used clean ones, dirty ones, you know, and everything
Speaker 2: in between we put.
Speaker 1: I think the minimum we put through a magazine was
Speaker 1: five hundred rounds, but we put much more than that
Speaker 1: through some and again to test durability. Reliability needs to
Speaker 1: be there for the long term, so we tested everything
Speaker 1: we could think of. The only thing it failed on,
Speaker 1: which all the magazines failed on, was a drop test
Speaker 1: from three feet fully loaded on the feed lips. So
Speaker 1: you drop it like this straight on the concrete from
Speaker 1: the feed lips, and all of the magazines end up
Speaker 1: splitting right here down the middle of the magazine tube.
Speaker 1: If that's a concern for you, go get a metal
Speaker 1: lined bag.
Speaker 2: It won't do that.
Speaker 1: We offer those as well, you know, Glock makes a
Speaker 1: thirty three round metaline magazine. I think maybe CACI makes
Speaker 1: one as well, if if you're interested in saving a
Speaker 1: little bit, yeah, and don't mind not having the Glock name.
Speaker 1: But other than that, they perform really well. And again
Speaker 1: they all failed in the same way on that same test.
Speaker 1: So that seemed like something that, you know, probably not
Speaker 1: going to be able to get around with this type
Speaker 1: of construction, and at that price point. Comparatively, it seemed
Speaker 1: like a great deal and something I wanted to be
Speaker 1: able to offer to our customers.
Speaker 3: That's cool, Well, thanks for telling us that, because that's
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's probably I'm not trying to defend it,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of an unlikely scenario. But you're right,
Speaker 3: like if if you're going for hard use, duty use
Speaker 3: type of thing, there are other options that you might consider.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, if you're going for duty use
Speaker 1: four or five six dollars mags, probably not the right
Speaker 1: mag right, I mean, look, it'll work, but still, when
Speaker 1: you're trusting your life, I trust Block. So sure, you know,
Speaker 1: buy one Block thirty three round magazine and nine of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'll be set, you know. But there's certainly
Speaker 2: other options out there.
Speaker 3: Rattle snake, tactical cool, Okay, day, what do you see
Speaker 3: coming up in the future for what do the tea
Speaker 3: leaves say for people? I guess just maybe products that
Speaker 3: you're seen, you know, trends you're seeing, or or what
Speaker 3: should the listeners be looking for?
Speaker 1: Sure, if I could read the tea leaves, I don't
Speaker 1: think we'd be sitting here.
Speaker 2: But I'll do my best, my best shot at it.
Speaker 2: There's some trends that have been happening for a long time,
Speaker 2: which I don't think I'm gonna be a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 2: Forty is dying.
Speaker 1: It seems to be. What I think is interesting is
Speaker 1: that demand in the market for two, two, three, five,
Speaker 1: five six is way down, way way down. Demand for
Speaker 1: ars seems way down as well. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: that platform is dying. That is not what I mean
Speaker 1: to say here. We've got I don't know, thirty forty
Speaker 1: million ars out in people's hopefully safe and gunlockers out
Speaker 1: in this country, and I don't think there's a going
Speaker 1: on ay where it's a phenomenal platform. I love it
Speaker 1: just as much as everybody else does, but for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because people are hurting and don't have the
Speaker 1: cash to spend and two, two, three, five, five, six
Speaker 1: rounds are expensive. The portion that we see of sales
Speaker 1: in two to three for sales in nine millimeter has
Speaker 1: really shifted over the last.
Speaker 2: Year or so much much more heavily to nine milimeter.
Speaker 3: You think on that side, shooting to shooting nine, then.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: I suspect that it's it's a little bit more cost
Speaker 1: effective to go and shoot nine.
Speaker 2: And so if you're shooting for fun, not really.
Speaker 1: Training, you're you're shooting nine. It has the kind of feedback,
Speaker 1: the profile that you want, the recoil profile that you want.
Speaker 2: Me twenty two is fun, but it's a whole different animal.
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask, are you what are you seeen
Speaker 3: in twenty two? Is that gain and popularity if people
Speaker 3: are looking for a cheaper way to shoot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not as much as I've seen it in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 1: And part of that is that comparatively, twenty two isn't
Speaker 1: as cheap as it used to be.
Speaker 2: So we used to be able to offer.
Speaker 1: Twenty two for five cents around all day long, and
Speaker 1: it's gotten really hard to maintain that price point.
Speaker 2: We're able to hit it sometimes, but most of the
Speaker 2: time we just.
Speaker 1: Can't get it that low, you know, and keep the
Speaker 1: doors open because I have to keep the doors open. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen a big shift to nine and
Speaker 1: I think from the perspective of like self defense, home defense,
Speaker 1: and again this is not really news for anybody, but
Speaker 1: nine is winning the handgun wars there for sure. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of nineteen eleven lovers and forty five ACPCE
Speaker 1: still really popular.
Speaker 2: Three eighty has.
Speaker 1: Gotten less and less popular in my opinion. I think
Speaker 1: the reason for that is that you've seen stuff come
Speaker 1: out like the P through sixty five, like the G
Speaker 1: forty three, where you've got a slim, small profile maybe
Speaker 1: ten seven to ten rounds of nine millimeter.
Speaker 2: It's so small the savings that you get.
Speaker 1: Another quarter of an inch or something by moving to
Speaker 1: the three eighty instead just not worth it. So the
Speaker 1: gun manufacturers has done a great job with their technology
Speaker 1: to kind of you don't need three eighty anymore.
Speaker 2: I still have some.
Speaker 1: I love three eighty also, I think it's a great caliber,
Speaker 1: great platform, and I've got a couple of them. P
Speaker 1: two thirty eight is a great carry gun. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you absolutely are having trouble
Speaker 1: carrying and you need to throw something in your pocket.
Speaker 2: I haven't found anything smaller than LCP yeah out there
Speaker 2: well on the market, right.
Speaker 3: The only difference between a three eighty and the nine
Speaker 3: is a little bit of length, so it doesn't really
Speaker 3: give you more capacity. So yeah, it's a good point,
Speaker 3: Like a P three is twenty five and they have.
Speaker 2: That it's a little bit shorter, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: it would just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have the grip be shorter front to
Speaker 3: back slightly, but I mean, it's not changing the capacity
Speaker 3: of the gun. And I think that, I mean, for
Speaker 3: most people, the shoot ability is not that much of
Speaker 3: a difference either between nine and three eighty.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if anything, three eight is a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: Some of those firearms are so small it's hard to
Speaker 1: get a good grip on it. And then you go
Speaker 1: and modifying the grip or putting in a you know,
Speaker 1: an extension plate so that you really get purchased with
Speaker 1: your pinky, and now it's not small anymore. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't even I can't even exact.
Speaker 2: I don't have to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, I really like the P sixty five as
Speaker 1: a as a platform, so does America. I think it's
Speaker 1: the most popular until carry gun still for the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. And you know, ten rounds nine millimeter
Speaker 1: or ten plus one, it's great. I love the SAS version.
Speaker 1: If you haven't checked it out, it's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of cool, kind of neat the s AS sig Anti
Speaker 1: Stang that kind of took all the little things sticking
Speaker 1: off the sights and everything.
Speaker 3: Fired up talking about that damn gun. People are firecrack.
Speaker 3: That's a grenade into a barroom, dude.
Speaker 2: So like, sorry, guys, it's so.
Speaker 3: Funny though, because you if you say, let me explain
Speaker 3: the sees or if you if you've seen it, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's like, well doesn't have traditional sites and there
Speaker 3: are so weird. So people that flip out like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Now most of those people haven't shot it, who say
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous because it's different, but it's actually not ridiculous
Speaker 3: because we've shot it, we've filmed with it, We've had
Speaker 3: Phil Straighter, who had a part in inventing this thing
Speaker 3: down here shooting it. And it is really it really works,
Speaker 3: and that's what everybody on the range from there going,
Speaker 3: I'll be damned like that really works.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, it has this thing,
Speaker 1: I think it's called the bullseye target, But instead of
Speaker 1: having your traditional dovetail sites embedded in the slide, is
Speaker 1: this little piece of plastic that's properly aligned at the
Speaker 1: factory with an open circle and a dot, and you
Speaker 1: align the dot within the open circle, and that gives
Speaker 1: you your site picture so that.
Speaker 2: You then you know know that you're going to hit
Speaker 2: your target. For the reality is my understanding.
Speaker 1: Luckily, I've never been in a situation where I had
Speaker 1: to use a firearm to defend myself, but my understanding
Speaker 1: from talking to people who have, especially law enforcement officers.
Speaker 2: When that happens, it's nothing like your training.
Speaker 1: You lose accuracy on the order of ten So if
Speaker 1: you're one M shooter, now you're a ten moa shooter
Speaker 1: and you're not spending time thinking like, okay, let me
Speaker 1: line up my sites and get a good site picture
Speaker 1: or whatever. So training obviously is really important, and from
Speaker 1: that perspective, it's just about muscle memory with that site picture.
Speaker 2: So for me.
Speaker 1: I've got good indicators when I am slowing down in
Speaker 1: training to make sure that I'm going to hit what
Speaker 1: I'm aiming at. And should I unfortunately ever find myself
Speaker 1: in a situation where I need to defend myself.
Speaker 2: I have that muscle memory.
Speaker 1: I have that practice, and I'm going to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, bring that weapon on target and site picture
Speaker 1: and muscle memory going to take over.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's cool. You should. You should take a
Speaker 2: look at it.
Speaker 1: It's not for everybody, but take a look at it,
Speaker 1: and it's at least different and neat.
Speaker 3: It is different and neat. But I mean we have
Speaker 3: not like I don't have thousands and thousands of rounds,
Speaker 3: but the shooting and the filming we've done with it,
Speaker 3: it really worked. We were surprised by it. Like anything,
Speaker 3: you got to practice with it. You got to like,
Speaker 3: if you're switching, you're adding a red dot to your
Speaker 3: pistol and you never shot a red dot, you better
Speaker 3: practice or eat. It's not what you should.
Speaker 2: Add as an aside. You should add a red dot
Speaker 2: to your pistol because it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but like if you're not used to it, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be probably slower because you're not used to
Speaker 3: using it and what that site picture looks like. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a fun one, Dan, This has been great, man. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I gotta I'll remind them this thirty four round
Speaker 3: block bag from Roustaking Tactical. They can find it on
Speaker 3: your website, but we'll put a link in the descriptions.
Speaker 3: You guys can find it easy and very cool. I
Speaker 3: mean a six dollars extendo mag that's I.
Speaker 1: Hope we can keep it at six for a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see, but man, yeah, I mean even
Speaker 1: at ten bucks. It's a phenomenal price point, so it'll
Speaker 1: be uh, we'll keep it as low as we can
Speaker 1: for as long as we can.
Speaker 2: But man, it's a killer deal.
Speaker 3: The lifetime guarantee that's from you guys.
Speaker 2: Rattlesick Tactical offers a lifetime guarantee.
Speaker 1: Now, what we do, which is a little bit different,
Speaker 1: is anything you purchase from us.
Speaker 2: If you ever have an issue with it, call us.
Speaker 2: We've got relationships with all of these guys.
Speaker 1: You don't need to try to weave your way through
Speaker 1: their you know, returns or warranties or whatever.
Speaker 2: If you bought it from us, call us.
Speaker 1: We're going to help you through the process, that's whomever
Speaker 1: it is, you know, and make sure that you get
Speaker 1: the outcome that you kind of deserve, right, make sure
Speaker 1: that the warranty is honored from the company and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: We have some other products and that also offers something.
Speaker 1: Called anmly shield h We can extend things that don't
Speaker 1: have a lifetime warranty into a lifetime warranty. So if
Speaker 1: you do come and buy stuff from us, you have
Speaker 1: that option to turn a one or two or three
Speaker 1: year warranty into a lifetime warranty. But either way, if
Speaker 1: you bought it from me, give us a call if
Speaker 1: you ever have a problem, We're going to take care
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: Awesome, all right, Dan, Thanks Ammunition Depot. You guys check
Speaker 3: go check them out, and we will see you all
Speaker 3: next time on gun Dog Nation.