WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.359 California passed the law number of years ago that came 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:08.439 into an effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from purchasing 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.279 ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. And there's 4 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:14.640 a background check requirement, among some other things that that 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:15.240 law did. 6 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:18.800 When the governor at the time was touring the state. 7 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.960 Kind of touting how great this bill was for Californians, 8 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:23.600 his security detail was denied. 9 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:43.439 I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. Guntognation 10 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.880 is brought to you by Winchester Supreme Optics, t sas 11 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:54.600 first person Defender, Ruger Loopholed Range Ready, Black Hill's Ammunition 12 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.679 and Colt all Right, Welcome in to gun Talk Nation 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.079 today and Guntalk Nation. Let's talk about online Ammo. Let's 14 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.879 talk about how do you find Ammo, what do you 15 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:09.760 buy Ammo? And the guys behind it, and maybe we'll 16 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.879 pick up some secrets I don't know, some some pro 17 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:18.400 tips for you. Welcoming on the show today, Ammunition Depot 18 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.640 Dan Woolgin, Welcome in Man. 19 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:24.680 Thanks for having me. So glad to be here. 20 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.079 Dan. We were talking the other day and I was 21 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:33.599 just we've I think people probably know ammunition Depot because 22 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.239 it's one of the places when you're you're scrounging around 23 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.719 the internet for for Ramo, you always run across, you guys, 24 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:44.879 and uh, it seems like that's become one of the 25 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:49.640 ways people shop for RAMO these days, is buying it online. 26 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:50.239 Yeah. 27 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.159 I mean, well, first, we certainly hope that people have 28 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.680 heard of us, but if they haven't, we hope that 29 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.879 they come they come check us out. You know, buying 30 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:03.480 everything online has become one of the ways that that 31 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.400 people go and kind of get what they need for 32 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:05.920 their lives. 33 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:07.879 And so, you know, ammunition is no different. 34 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.680 Of course, it's heavy, and so it is a little 35 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.560 bit different in that generally when you're coming to shop online, 36 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.280 you aren't going to come and buy one box of 37 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.560 fifty rounds or one box of twenty rounds of hollow point. 38 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:24.159 And hip that. 39 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.080 But as long as you're coming for a good assortment 40 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.800 of ammunition, you can build a nice a nice order. 41 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:32.080 Then it's going to be a. 42 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.919 Really cost effective way for customers to get the products 43 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.800 that they're looking for at a really competitive price and convenient. 44 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:39.960 It's going to come right to your door. 45 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:42.520 Or if you're buying a firearm, you know, right to 46 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.120 your your chosen gun shop to go and do a transfer. 47 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.680 So I'm sure it's a great way to well, you 48 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.400 have to be inside the United States, so that's right. 49 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.800 Sorry, guys. I can help you, you know, I feel like. 50 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:58.680 The reality and you can. 51 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.919 You kind of can sell into California. You can buy 52 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.719 ammunition in California. It's just a bit of a complicated process. 53 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.280 We're doing everything we can to make that easier for 54 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.319 the Californian consumers. And I joke, but you know, our 55 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.639 American brothers and sisters in the state of California. So 56 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.759 we are a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the state 57 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.840 of California trying to kind of regain what we consider 58 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.120 Second Amendment rights constitutional rights Californians. 59 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:26.560 Yeah. 60 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:30.199 Sure, So California passed the law number of years ago 61 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.479 that came into effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from 62 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:40.039 purchasing ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. There's 63 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.479 an import ban, and there's a background check requirement, amongst 64 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.479 some other things that that law did, which essentially forced 65 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.400 the Californian consumer to go into a physical brick and 66 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.599 mortar store to purchase ammunition and have a background check 67 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.319 done on them. Of course, no background check systems in 68 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.240 our nation are set up to handle the kind of 69 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.560 volume that would be required to background check every time 70 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:02.840 somebody wants to buy amo. In fact, there was a 71 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:06.400 really a really kind of funny anecdote when the governor 72 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.759 at the time was touring the state kind of touting 73 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.000 how great this bill was for Californians. His security detail 74 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.240 was denied when they tried to run. 75 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:15.759 It back crund check. 76 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.360 Now, so obviously you know, it didn't really work the 77 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.560 way that it was intended to work. So we're we're 78 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.160 doing everything that we can. We're we're playing upunt of lawsuit. 79 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.839 It's currently sitting with the Ninth Circuit, which, should we prevail, 80 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.319 which I certainly hope that we do, Californians will again 81 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:33.560 be able to purchase ammunition online and have it shipped 82 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:34.839 directly to their homes like. 83 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.199 Yeah, you can, and basically the rest of the state, the. 84 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.480 Country freedom maybe ye, well in the night. 85 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:40.199 That's all. 86 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.480 I'm kind of surprising lately because in the past we 87 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.360 called it the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals and nothing 88 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.079 positive for guns or gun rights could get out of 89 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.000 that freaking court. And in the last I don't know, 90 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.480 two three four years, you've had some some decisions go 91 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.560 a surprising way that was kind of pro free, pro gun, 92 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.319 which has been good. 93 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:03.040 Yeah. 94 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.240 So over the last I don't know, let's say, decade, 95 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:09.879 there's been a number of judges appointed to that court 96 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.360 who have more reasonable views in my opinion, right, but 97 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.079 I suppose you could call them more conservative views, particularly 98 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.399 with respect to gun rights. And as a result, when 99 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.480 you go and challenge these courts with a case, you 100 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.879 kind of get randomly assigned the judges and it starts 101 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.279 with three judges. Obviously, our legal systems are complicated, so 102 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.439 it can go a couple of different ways from there, 103 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.839 but it starts with three judges, and it can be 104 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:38.839 a little bit of the luck of the draw. So 105 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.360 sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't. 106 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.240 Is there anything that people listening to this need to do, 107 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.560 because sometimes when we talk about court cases, you know, 108 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.399 I guess it's not necessarily a right into your senators thing, 109 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.560 but maybe just keep an eye on it or support 110 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:56.079 it in some way. 111 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:57.720 Yeah. 112 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.920 So, the California Rifle and Pistol Associate and the NRA 113 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.439 are really the entities that are supporting this this fight. 114 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.040 And so if you're so inclined, then you like what 115 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.519 it is these entities do. Their nonprofit entities, they need 116 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:15.800 your support monetarily. It's also never a bad idea to 117 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.079 write your congress people, your senators, and your congress people. 118 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.079 Let them know what you think. 119 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.560 Maybe to a lesser extent other people's congress people, but 120 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.480 at the end of the day, all of those elected 121 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.319 representatives are supposed to be representing the people as a whole. 122 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.120 They have their constituents, but they. 123 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.600 Should be thinking about what's best and what's desired by 124 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.959 the people as a whole. So make your voices heard. 125 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:39.439 That's I think really the most important part. Make them 126 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.319 heard by voting, make them heard by spending your dollars, 127 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.519 by donating your dollars, and you know more traditionally, by 128 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.000 just actually getting your voice out there in a written 129 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.000 or or verbal form. You can call your the offices 130 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.279 of your of your congress people and senators as well. 131 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:55.639 I mean, and do it on the state level. 132 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.639 Too, Yeah, I mean absolutely, And we've said it for 133 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.319 years that I mean, so easy for people in other 134 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.480 places to say, oh whatever, California that place is a mess. 135 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.720 Why don't you just move whatever. But you don't want 136 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.600 nonsense California laws to become law. You don't want them 137 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:16.439 to spread. And they absolutely spread. I mean, it spreads 138 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.560 to Oregon and Washington. It spreads in Arizona. Believe it 139 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.480 or not. You have a lot of Californians there. You 140 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.600 have a lot of Californians. Move into Utah and Idaho 141 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:30.040 and all these places, and hell even like Texas. I 142 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.079 mean there's you don't want that stuff to gain a 143 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.759 foothold in the idea of these politicians who are I 144 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.720 mean half of them are maybe great, and half of 145 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.360 them or not, but they're kind of puppets and they're 146 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:45.199 kind of going, well, that's a neat idea, let's try that. 147 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.199 Yeah, there's this concept also of like form legislation. 148 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.079 So California put something together and they managed to get 149 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.199 it through and there's maybe a challenge in this through 150 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.600 to the state constitutional court and it's upheld politicians in 151 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:01.920 another states see, Okay. 152 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.279 They already did the hard work. Let's grab that and 153 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:06.040 we'll see if we can't get that, we can't get 154 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:06.720 that approved here. 155 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.240 So that's definitely, you know, one way And it's funny 156 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.600 you talk about people moving. I live in Florida, and 157 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.279 we've had a huge influx of people really in the 158 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.959 last five years since COVID moving into the state, and 159 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.519 one of the concerns has been are they going to 160 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:23.120 bring their politics with them? So you have a lot 161 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.439 of people coming down from the northeast, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, 162 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.160 which are certainly more liberal areas than Florida. 163 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:32.519 Isn't in in. 164 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.600 Certain you know, certain areas of the of society, And 165 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.559 so far we haven't seen it. So, you know, I 166 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.480 don't know if that's a trend nationally, but it's always 167 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.440 a concern. You say, hey, you know, Californians, why don't 168 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.639 you just move? Well, I don't know which one. Somebody 169 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.200 voted for those policies. So if they come, they come 170 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.919 to your backyard and start voting for those policies again, 171 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:54.120 that's that's not such. 172 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.240 A good thing. So and everybody thinks, I don't want 173 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:56.679 them to leave. 174 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:58.720 I want I want it to be better for Californians 175 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.159 in California, you know, and Chicagoan's in Chicago and New 176 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.559 Yorkers in New York, among other places. 177 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.000 Yeah, yeah, And everybody thinks they're in the center. They 178 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:09.960 always think that, like, I'm a little bit right of center. 179 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:10.639 I'm a little bit. 180 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.080 I'm very very close to just right in the middle. 181 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.879 I'm very very level headed. Except that, yeah, when you 182 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.399 when you're surrounded by a certain mindset in San Francisco, 183 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.320 you don't realize that maybe you're not in the center 184 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.879 of whatever the average or the mean average or whatever 185 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:27.240 it is. 186 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.600 I forgot, I don't. 187 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:31.240 Know mean median. 188 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:33.960 We don't need that. It's true. 189 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.279 On the other side, though, you know, I think the 190 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.000 important thing is having an open mind, trying to listen, 191 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.679 actually listen to two people. 192 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:44.759 Because we can fight with each. 193 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.000 Other all we want, but unless we can really understand 194 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:51.039 the route behind the fight. 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And 248 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.279 I would say we because I was probably in there 249 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.200 as well. We all went bonkers, and you know, twenty 250 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:20.399 twenty one, twenty two, and people, I think, if they 251 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.799 hadn't done it already, they figured out like, oh, this 252 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.200 is a way to buy AMMO, and then they start 253 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.279 shopping around and you're in everybody lists like the cost 254 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.600 per round and all this stuff. But you're a guy 255 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:36.120 who runs one of these sites. I mean, I kind 256 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.279 of set you up, But I mean I don't know. 257 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.440 I mean, if there are any tips and tricks or 258 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.679 things like what are you noticing these days with amima? 259 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.919 Because it's it's not as scarce as it was, right, 260 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:49.519 I mean, it's more available. 261 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.559 Now, certainly not right now. 262 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.000 Yeah, I'd start with saying it's a great time to 263 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.960 buy AMMA, meaning prices are about as low as I've 264 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.519 seen them. I don't expect them to get any lower. 265 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.320 We are as close to pre pandemic pricing as I 266 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:03.879 think we're ever going to get. There was obviously a 267 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.840 lot of inflation over the last five years. Makes it 268 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.519 kind of hard. These things are mostly commodity metals. It 269 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:12.360 makes it kind of hard to get back down to 270 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.360 the prices that we were at before. So it's a 271 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.759 great time to buy AMMO. Is you know the first 272 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.600 thing that I would say, as far as you know secrets, 273 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:29.679 you said tips, tricks, secrets. Buying AMMO firearms accessories online 274 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:34.240 is really no different than buying any other valuable, important 275 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.960 to you thing online, And so from my perspective, price 276 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.240 is important, it needs to be competitive, But customer service 277 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:44.159 and knowing that that company is going to be there 278 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:51.159 to stand behind the product the experience if you need it, 279 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.799 is I think equally, if not more important, and so 280 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.639 that's something that we've really strived for at Ammunition Depot. 281 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.320 We have among the highest customer service rates in the industry. 282 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.639 In fact, I think the highest, but I suppose I 283 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.440 can't say that definitively. But if you go and look 284 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:09.960 online Better Business Bureau, Trust Pilot, Google, you know these 285 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.360 kinds of things. We've ratings at five four point nine. 286 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.120 I don't know if we have a five anywhere, four 287 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.360 point eight, four point ninety five. We track this internally 288 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.240 something called an NPS, and we don't need to get 289 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.360 too deep into it, but the best score you can 290 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.600 get on an NPS is one hundred, and the worst 291 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.240 score you can get as a negative one hundred. 292 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.720 We consistently maintain a score between ninety and one hundred. 293 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:33.720 Wow, which is unheard of for companies, let alone companies 294 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.240 in our space, just companies. It's very difficult to find 295 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.480 any company out there that's tracking NPS that has won 296 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.000 that high. So it's really important for us. We try 297 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:47.080 to put the customer first. Obviously, I also have to 298 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.320 make money, so you know, we're not giving moway but 299 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.440 very very competitive pricing, competitive shipping costs. 300 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.000 Sometimes there'll be opportunities for free. 301 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.799 Shipping or special promotions things like that, but we just 302 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.759 keep it as tight as we can so that we 303 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.399 can serve our customers for the long haul. 304 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.320 We want to be here for one hundred years doing 305 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:05.840 what we're doing. 306 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.120 That makes a big difference when somebody has kind of 307 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.879 a long term view because I think that you end 308 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.200 up treating people the right way. You do things the 309 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.039 right way because you're not chasing the week, the month, 310 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.039 the quarter, whatever it may be, because you're trying to 311 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.279 do it the right way. Yeah. I mean, I guess 312 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.679 when we talk about shopping online a lot of times 313 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.320 with the Ammo, a lot of times people are thinking 314 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.360 about the bulk purchasing of Ammo. And one of the 315 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.799 things I've noticed over the years, if you do this 316 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.519 long enough, it's like, if you're a consumer of Ammo, 317 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.080 like you you really shoot a lot. You shoot a 318 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.600 lot of nine, you shoot a lot of two, two, three, 319 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.879 whatever it may be, you really can dollar cost average 320 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.879 this thing, whether it's every month or every couple months 321 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.519 or whatever. You know, buy it when it's cheap, because 322 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.440 everybody runs out when things become scarce and the costs 323 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.000 are higher. But if you're kind of like just buying 324 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.559 all the time a little bit at a time, I mean, 325 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.159 and I say a little bit. Ryan's version of a 326 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.759 little bit is like maybe five hundred to one thousand rounds. 327 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.640 Five hundred rounds, a thousand rounds. Yeah, I would agree. 328 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.000 If you're if you're gonna buy at least five hundred rounds, 329 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.279 you're gonna be able to do it cost effectively online. 330 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:12.480 And if you have the. 331 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.839 Space, I would agree, you know, buy every so often, 332 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:16.920 a little bit more than you think you. 333 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:17.799 Need, put it away. 334 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.400 We're working on some things to help people even if 335 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.640 they don't have the space, and some stuff like that. 336 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.359 So hopefully in a couple of months I can come 337 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.160 back and tell you about some neat stuff that we're doing. 338 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.519 Not not really ready to throw that out there yet, 339 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:36.240 but yeah, I mean, prices are low, and the best 340 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.480 thing that you can do to protect yourself and all 341 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.759 of us really against those price spikes that happen is 342 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:44.960 don't panic buy. 343 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.920 And how do you not panic by by before you panic. 344 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:49.319 Pre panic buy? 345 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.400 Yes, exactly, exactly. 346 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.079 Well, so you guys also make your own AMMO. You're 347 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.160 loading Ammo, isn't that right? 348 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.640 Yeah, So we obviously sell everybody's Ammo, and we work 349 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:05.960 with all of the major manufacturers in the United States 350 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.160 and most of the major manufacturers globally. 351 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.880 But we also manufacture AMMO ourselves. 352 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.799 And we do that not because we're trying to become 353 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:18.000 the biggest AMUM manufacturer and compete with Winchester Federal or whatever, 354 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.160 but really just so that when things do go crazy, 355 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.759 we can make sure that we have AMMO for our customers, 356 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.640 because there's been times over the last couple of years 357 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:30.759 we couldn't buy any AMMO. Yeah, at any price, didn't 358 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.759 matter what I was willing to pay for it. I 359 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.119 couldn't get AMMO in the door to service my customers. 360 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.799 And so knowing that I have an alternative source through 361 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.559 manufacturing of ammunition ourselves. 362 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.200 Is really really valuable for really our customer base. 363 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.640 What do you think about remanufactured AMO? Is that a 364 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.519 good buy? Or is like because there're probably listeners who say, 365 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.119 I don't know if I want to shoot that through 366 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.519 my gun or whatever. I mean, what is remanufacturer? I mean, 367 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.319 I know what it is, but like what would be 368 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.200 the definition of and what is it not? 369 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:06.559 Yeah, so ammunition for handguns, rifles, your shotguns a little 370 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:08.119 bit different, but let's just stick in kind of the 371 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.640 handgun space because it's the simplest, no necked cartridge and 372 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:11.279 stuff like that. 373 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:13.039 It's a brass cartridge. 374 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.720 When you shoot it, that brass expands and so it's 375 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:17.880 no longer kind of inspect it's not the same shape 376 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.359 it was before you shot it. So you can take 377 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.039 that cartridge called a spent cartridge, you can remanufacture it, 378 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.000 meaning get it back into tolerances. You clean it, you 379 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.519 remove the spent primer, you shape it back into the 380 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.720 right size, You put it in a new primer, you 381 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.400 put in fresh powder, you put in obviously a new projectile, 382 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:36.440 and now I've got a round of ammunition that was 383 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.039 cheaper to produce because you didn't have to buy a 384 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.079 new cartridge. Instead, you did all of this work to 385 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:44.440 make the old cartridge kind of let's. 386 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.119 Say, like new again. So it's usually actually do that 387 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:47.160 quite a few times. 388 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.759 It's usually made from like once fired brass, right. 389 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.160 Once fired we call it ones fired brass. But you 390 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.759 can actually reload a cartridge. There's no exact number, but 391 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:57.920 it could be even like ten times before you start 392 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:00.880 splitting that cartridge as you're trying to reform it. But yeah, 393 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.240 once fired brass mostly comes from ranges, your range that 394 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.119 you go to. If you're not picking up your brass, 395 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.640 they're picking up your brass. 396 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:08.119 And they're selling it. 397 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.400 They're selling it. Yeah, so is it a good thing? 398 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:13.559 You know, I think it's good. 399 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:17.440 It makes a good, cost effective option for people who 400 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.680 shoot a lot. If you have extremely tight tolerance firearm, 401 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.400