Speaker 1: All right, what's up everyone, and welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Biblical hit Man. I'm your host, Steven. I'm here with Jesse.
Speaker 1: We got Taylor in the house. Joining us yet again
Speaker 1: is Justin aka Doc Brown, the host of the Prometheus
Speaker 1: podcast Prometheus Lens podcast forgive me for that, and the
Speaker 1: author of the Epic of Esau, which we're going to
Speaker 1: get into today. Super excited for it. Long waited. And folks,
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Speaker 1: But justin, welcome to the show man.
Speaker 2: Hey man, thank you for having me back. Man. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's good to have you back on. Sorry
Speaker 1: for all the little hiccups in the beginning there, but
Speaker 1: super excited man to have you on. You've been busy, dude,
Speaker 1: You've been busy. You've been jumping around on a lot
Speaker 1: of shows going over you know your your book, tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about it. And where the audience
Speaker 1: can find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, I actually I always go too hard.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like go hard to go home. You know, I
Speaker 2: never go home. I finished the books I just started.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, man, I just start going out
Speaker 2: on all these shows and kind of promote the book.
Speaker 2: And I can handle you know, two or three recordings
Speaker 2: a day, three or four days a week. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: just get it over with. Oh about kill me. I'm
Speaker 2: winding down now, right range down as I used to
Speaker 2: be forty now.
Speaker 1: Man, it's crazy. It's crazy, you know. I mean the
Speaker 1: amount of work you put into thing, especially having you know,
Speaker 1: a nine to five job right like pretty much all
Speaker 1: of us. It is a lot of work. Man. I
Speaker 1: give I give a lot of credit to you, and
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for what you do
Speaker 1: and all the hours and editing and you know, just
Speaker 1: content creating right in general. It takes a lot out
Speaker 1: of you. And you know, it's it's awesome. Man. Your
Speaker 1: book is awesome as well. I've read it about one
Speaker 1: and a half times, if that makes any sense. But uh,
Speaker 1: it's a fun read, folks. It's uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of interesting takes in it as well. I really enjoy
Speaker 1: how you kind of created a foundation, you know, at first,
Speaker 1: and then you came in with the final act, which
Speaker 1: I love books that kind of build you up for that, right, So,
Speaker 1: but if you don't mind just telling the audience a
Speaker 1: little bit about yourself and where they can find your
Speaker 1: shows and websites and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, names Justin Brown. I'm just a nine to five
Speaker 2: knuckle dragger man, just like everybody else. Go to work,
Speaker 2: come home, pay my bills. But I've always been a
Speaker 2: history nerd and a Bible nerd, and around twenty twelve
Speaker 2: got red pilled and started finding all this cool, fascinating,
Speaker 2: supernatural and weird stuff in the Biblical text. And once
Speaker 2: I started seeing all this stuff, I started making connections
Speaker 2: with all these other historical events and ancient mythology. And
Speaker 2: I always loved that stuff. So I just started connecting
Speaker 2: all these dots, man, And once I started doing it, it
Speaker 2: just confirmed my faith and solidified it. It excited me
Speaker 2: and drew me closer to God, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: share that with other people. I was like, if I
Speaker 2: get this excited about it and think this is so fascinating,
Speaker 2: surely there are others that share this passion with me.
Speaker 2: So I just started doing some podcasts with some friends
Speaker 2: and that ended up branching out to do my own
Speaker 2: solo show. Uh. Instead of just looking at the Bible,
Speaker 2: I looked at ancient history, mythology, los civilizations, cryptids, all
Speaker 2: those fascinating subjects that we love to dive down and
Speaker 2: just filter them to a biblical lens. And that show
Speaker 2: was the Prometheus Lens Podcast. It's just a little over
Speaker 2: a year old now, and that led to me writing
Speaker 2: my first book, The Epic of Esau, The Birthright and
Speaker 2: Seed War. But anywhere you can consume content, man, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, YouTube,
Speaker 2: all those fine establishments. Any where you can consume that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, you can find me to search up
Speaker 2: Prometheus Lens podcast, and the same for all the socials.
Speaker 2: I'm usually putting out two or three reels a day
Speaker 2: and keeping you guys with some good infotainment.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, man, What was it like? You know,
Speaker 1: what was the journey like writing it? You know.
Speaker 4: What was that like?
Speaker 2: Honestly it was. It was weird, but of course I
Speaker 2: have nothing to judge it by. Uh it's my first one.
Speaker 2: But I started finding all this cool stuff, and I
Speaker 2: just thought it would be a cool podcast at first.
Speaker 2: So I reached out to my buddy Bo Kennedy from
Speaker 2: The Bump podcast and was like, hey, man, I found this,
Speaker 2: this and this and this is like the first few
Speaker 2: little things that I found. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: think it'd be a pretty cool podcast. You want to,
Speaker 2: you know, talk about it? And he was like, oh, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that'd be awesome. You know, what do you want to
Speaker 2: call the show? And I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: let me think about it. He come back, He's like,
Speaker 2: I know what i'd call it. I'd call it the
Speaker 2: Epic of Esau because I was making correlations with the
Speaker 2: Epic of Gilgamesh at that at that point in the beginning.
Speaker 2: And I was like, hell, yeah, dude, that's awesome. Run
Speaker 2: with that, and uh pretty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's a great, great book title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely couldn't take credit for it, but uh
Speaker 2: and the show just blew up, man. And it was honestly,
Speaker 2: like in November and Bo's been podcasting for you know,
Speaker 2: like five.
Speaker 4: Or six years.
Speaker 2: He's he's built a good you know, following, and it
Speaker 2: was funny like around uh uh, I think it's it
Speaker 2: has to be in January because it's at the start
Speaker 2: of the new year. But he reached out to me. Uh,
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, man, I just got my wrapped stats
Speaker 2: from Spotify. He said. You're not gonna believe this, he said.
Speaker 2: You know, your episode was only like two three months
Speaker 2: into the year, he said, but it made my top
Speaker 2: five for the year in downloads. That's awesome. And I
Speaker 2: had and I had all kinds of people reaching out,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, dude, you should write a book. Hey dude,
Speaker 2: you should write a book. And I just had so
Speaker 2: many people reach out and talk about how fascinating that
Speaker 2: show was and how I should do a book. So
Speaker 2: I was like, hell, I'll try to write a book.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to. And honestly, the first sit down,
Speaker 2: I mean I plowed through like six chapters in the city.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, yeah, you're locked in.
Speaker 2: And then after that it's like it just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hit like a writer's block or just lost inspiration.
Speaker 2: And then so I would find something cool, I'd write
Speaker 2: a chapter, a couple of weeks would go by, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd write another chapter. So and then it strung out
Speaker 2: and I started doing shows talking to people about the
Speaker 2: stuff I was finding, kind of like in lifetime, as
Speaker 2: I was finding this stuff, and it strung out for
Speaker 2: just a little shy of two years to get it
Speaker 2: all finished. But like I said, the last few months
Speaker 2: of this past year, I told myself, I got a
Speaker 2: couple weeks off from work for Christmas break. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been going around for the past year talking about
Speaker 2: this book, and everybody's asking me when's it coming, when's
Speaker 2: it coming? I was like, I have to just focus
Speaker 2: get this thing done, man. So that's what I did.
Speaker 2: Just my my Christmas break that I had two weeks
Speaker 2: off work, I just pounded the rest of it out.
Speaker 1: Right right, folks, If you're not familiar, you know Doc Brown,
Speaker 1: he's probably one of the main proponents for like talking
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot in the Bible and making some connections there.
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't been in the community that long
Speaker 1: to really tell who's you know, been talking about what,
Speaker 1: But you know, I remember listening to you on the
Speaker 1: Tinfoil podcast. It's had to be maybe two years ago
Speaker 1: now or something, probably in the middle when you were
Speaker 1: writing the book and you were talking about the Sauce
Speaker 1: story with Jacob, and you know, I reread it again, right,
Speaker 1: like going through your book and it's a very interesting
Speaker 1: story story, right, and knowing how the church is today,
Speaker 1: I feel with the idea of making a comparison with
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Esau that the churches, you know, they look
Speaker 1: at as a heretical right, like like heresy almost right,
Speaker 1: And so what's that like? Have you had any like
Speaker 1: backlash or anything like that or or you know, anyone
Speaker 1: one kind of you know, I'm trying to tell you
Speaker 1: you're wrong or this or that. You know how the
Speaker 1: church is, So it's kind of it's tough. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to see, you know, what you've interacted with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, of course. I mean I've had some
Speaker 2: people you know that are you know, open minded and
Speaker 2: willing to entertain, you know, new ideas and new thoughts,
Speaker 2: you know that really praise the brook book and say,
Speaker 2: you know, like when you go to Amazon and look
Speaker 2: at my reviews, uh, which the book's done awesome. And
Speaker 2: that's one thing I want to say, God's blessed that thing,
Speaker 2: because I mean I'm a nobody, you know, a small podcast,
Speaker 2: never wrote a book. And I told myself, I'm like,
Speaker 2: if I sell a hundred copies, that's my goal. If
Speaker 2: I sell one hundred copies, dude, I'll be tickled pink.
Speaker 2: I'd be happy with that. I sold one hundred copies
Speaker 2: within the first week.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: But so it's working on five hundred now, I yeah.
Speaker 2: So uh. But by reviews, you know, you encourage everybody
Speaker 2: that buys it to give a review. Most people don't,
Speaker 2: you know. But I'm guilty of that myself. But there's like,
Speaker 2: last time I looked there, it's like maybe fifteen or
Speaker 2: eighteen reviews, but a large majority of them that I
Speaker 2: noticed says if basically along this lines, you know, if
Speaker 2: you are comfortable in your theology and you think you
Speaker 2: got the answers and you got it figured out, don't
Speaker 2: read this book. I don't enjoy this book open minded.
Speaker 2: If you're open minded and you're willing to entertain new
Speaker 2: ideas and have yourself stretched and learn new things. And
Speaker 2: even one person said, if you're ready to hold the
Speaker 2: skeleton key to unlock the rest of Scripture and realize
Speaker 2: how little you know, you're gonna thoroughly enjoy this book.
Speaker 4: Common Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was happy with that, but yeah, but I've had
Speaker 2: a lot of people pushback. Of course, the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 2: I know, they're like, no, it's physical. You know, you're
Speaker 2: insinuating that it that it's spiritual. Fo yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 2: then h And of course I've had some you know,
Speaker 2: really closed mind with Christians, you know, say, oh, that's laughable,
Speaker 2: you know, and that was hyperbole, that was poetic language,
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. But honestly, the most
Speaker 2: pushback that I've gotten and being called a heretic and uh,
Speaker 2: getting some people tore up is one chapter. That's a
Speaker 2: fifteen chapter book, but I have one chapter on the
Speaker 2: serpent seed and that I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: but that is a lot button topic that gets people
Speaker 2: tore to piece.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm glad you said something because you know people
Speaker 1: watching right now obviously right you know, our followers and
Speaker 1: stuff that we got a lot of backlash whom we
Speaker 1: had on Joy Pew right and we were getting into
Speaker 1: that serpent seed theory, which I do want to touch
Speaker 1: on it later on. And it's it's something that's outside
Speaker 1: of an echo chamber. It's something that's outside of you
Speaker 1: know the normal traditions of the elongated amounts of teaching
Speaker 1: from just generation generation generation the.
Speaker 2: Modern church though, I mean if you go when you
Speaker 2: look at all the ancient writings, Oh yeah, that they
Speaker 2: all that way. We can debate whether it's real or not.
Speaker 2: And I say that even in the book. I mean
Speaker 2: you've read it. I say, we can debate all day
Speaker 2: long if this is real or not physical, or if
Speaker 2: it's spiritual, but we cannot debate that that was the
Speaker 2: beliefs and the thoughts of the people of that time.
Speaker 1: And that's important, man, you know. And you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: I saw video Wes Huff even talked about it on
Speaker 1: any on someone's show, Big Show, and so but he's
Speaker 1: he was getting into like the Book of Enoch, the
Speaker 1: first one, right, because there's there's other writings that are
Speaker 1: Enoch that are like like Gnostic in a way, or
Speaker 1: they kind of the first Enoch is the one that was,
Speaker 1: you know, the first century Jew was reading. It was
Speaker 1: before the New Testament was made and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I think Wes even says that two and three
Speaker 4: might be forgeries.
Speaker 1: So the whole main point of his conversation with the
Speaker 1: guy is that, you know, the Jews did believe in
Speaker 1: these supernatural things, you know, And that's why I really
Speaker 1: wish I could just take my Bible, go back in
Speaker 1: time and just kind of flip through the pages a
Speaker 1: little bit with like Paul and be like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: like interpret or any perspective now you know something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, I mean it says even like
Speaker 3: back then to a whole serpentcyed thing. I tend to believe,
Speaker 3: like you know, beguiled, it had some sexual nature to
Speaker 3: it if you break it down, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it's not some Sunday school like oh kids, yeah, Adam
Speaker 3: and Evan and Apple.
Speaker 1: And then just talked to an independent funnel fundamental Baptist
Speaker 1: friend of mine, and you know, he was telling me
Speaker 1: what what you know he thinks of the English version
Speaker 1: of the Bible. When we like to kind of dig deeper, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we like to go and look at the
Speaker 1: Hebrew or look at the Greek, right and and get
Speaker 1: the meaning of those words. A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of Christians say believe that the English translation is straight
Speaker 1: up like it's untouchable. It's it is the perfect and
Speaker 1: you know, and every.
Speaker 2: Word is perfect and changed for all eternity. E. Those
Speaker 2: are those are the people you can't talk to in
Speaker 2: reason with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, well, and I had I was having
Speaker 1: a conversation. It was a really good conversation with them.
Speaker 1: It actually went on for like an hour. But you know,
Speaker 1: I would dig deeper into the Hebrew, you know, roots
Speaker 1: and the meaning of certain words, you know, just for
Speaker 1: example Genesis six, right, and and relating that to to
Speaker 1: that other side. And they were like, oh, Hebrew's like uh,
Speaker 1: you know, massively misinterpreted. And I'm like, what how there's Hebrews,
Speaker 1: you know, scholars, there's Hebrew. Yeah, people that study the language.
Speaker 1: It's been I get it. It's a very old language,
Speaker 1: but you know, pretty accurate. So but so Doc you
Speaker 1: you I love how you went through your book, man,
Speaker 1: And kind of where I'd like to start is going
Speaker 1: through like the cultural connections with Bigfoot in our society today,
Speaker 1: you know, in our world. And the thing you kind
Speaker 1: of talk about is the wild Man. It's kind of
Speaker 1: open that up for us, and uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a fun thing to get into because yeah, it's massively
Speaker 1: you know, covered throughout the whole world.
Speaker 2: So and honestly, man, I'm glad and thankful that you said,
Speaker 2: you know, you started off and you laid the foundation
Speaker 2: and all that because Honestly, that was my intention. Uh.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to assume that people knew the backstory
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot, and with that, the people that are not
Speaker 2: big Bigfoot enthusiasts, I wanted to give them kind of
Speaker 2: a crash course and show them that these other ancient
Speaker 2: traditions and you know, quote unquote mythos and stories and
Speaker 2: legends talk about this wild man and if we take
Speaker 2: the context of that wild man, all the descripting factors,
Speaker 2: what it does, all the stories, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: stack them beside our modern term Bigfoot and show them
Speaker 2: that this is the same thing, this is the same
Speaker 2: entity or creature. And so I wanted to lay that
Speaker 2: foundation and build up this house from the bottom. And
Speaker 2: that was honestly my whole intention of that. But one
Speaker 2: of the resources that I used that I found really
Speaker 2: good because I was never a real big Bigfoot enthusiast,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I had the general thirty thousand
Speaker 2: foot view of what Bigfoot was and things like that.
Speaker 2: So I was not one of these guys that was
Speaker 2: well versed in Bigfoot and heard all the testimonies and
Speaker 2: stories and listened to the Bigfoot podcasts and read all
Speaker 2: the literature, and I was not one of those guys,
Speaker 2: so this was kind of a learning experience for me
Speaker 2: as well. But I went through because my big thing
Speaker 2: that I love doing. Anybody that follows my shows and
Speaker 2: stuff knows that I love comparative mythology. I'm a firm believer.
Speaker 2: If you see the same type of story throughout the world,
Speaker 2: throughout time, throughout culture, I'm not a coincidence theorist. There
Speaker 2: has to be some kind of truth rooted into those
Speaker 2: stories or a while, did it transcend the globe and
Speaker 2: time and all these cultures, right, because there has to
Speaker 2: be something to it, absolutely, And that's what I found
Speaker 2: digging through this. But it was called by many different names.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's going through many different times, many different
Speaker 2: cultures and tongues and cultural lenses. So I just started
Speaker 2: looking for common themes. I started looking for wild men
Speaker 2: or hairy men or beasts, you know, and things like
Speaker 2: that that matched these descripting factors, and I did. I
Speaker 2: found it everywhere. When you go to China, they called
Speaker 2: it the urine. It was this hairy monster beast creature
Speaker 2: that was humanoid and was intelligent and roamed the woods
Speaker 2: and people had encounters with it, and it would sometimes
Speaker 2: it was benevolent, sometimes it was evil, and it would
Speaker 2: raid people's houses and villages and take their animals and
Speaker 2: eat their animals and livestock. When you go into Europe,
Speaker 2: they called it the wood wofts or the wild man right,
Speaker 2: and the same thing. They were covered in hair. They
Speaker 2: lived out into the woods in the wilderness. They would
Speaker 2: raid towns, steal livestock, kill livestock, and even abduct women
Speaker 2: and rape women. And they would give birth to these
Speaker 2: little hairy beasts. And you go to the Americas, you
Speaker 2: have bigfoot, that's the modern term. The Native Americans called
Speaker 2: it EASTI, popeye, and all these other different names. And
Speaker 2: I even list that in the book. I have like
Speaker 2: a huge list of just all these different names that
Speaker 2: just the natives called them. Yeah, And then you have
Speaker 2: the harried six fingered giant legends of the Native Americans,
Speaker 2: and they call them the city car. They were huge
Speaker 2: giants covered in hair, red hair, with six fingers and
Speaker 2: six toes. So I used to.
Speaker 5: Build little pits too for them, like they used to
Speaker 5: go after them and then have spike pits like ANTAGONI
Speaker 5: is it, and then have them go and fall on
Speaker 5: that and that's how they would kill them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I even think what like the Celts
Speaker 1: and the Druids, right, and their traditions with that too.
Speaker 1: What's the tradition where they celebrate in the street. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a parade of like, yeah, the demonic Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go into Sardinia, uh, the island of
Speaker 2: Sardinia during the winter solstice, they have this thing and
Speaker 2: they call these harry beasts the mathonesh excuse me, or
Speaker 2: the Methans, and these guys dress up, they cover themselves
Speaker 2: in black goats fur, and they dance and parade through
Speaker 2: the town with hundreds of copper bells strapped to their backs.
Speaker 2: And while they do this, they chase the women. And
Speaker 2: then so you go up into Europe, Uh, you have Crampus. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's this hairy beast covered in hair and he abducts children.
Speaker 2: And then even a lot of the Christmas cards and stuff,
Speaker 2: you see he's also sexually promiscuous, like a lot of
Speaker 2: these wild men stories and wild men fertility gods. There's
Speaker 2: lots of Christmas cards that you find, uh, and they're
Speaker 2: like erotic in nature, where crampis not only comes into
Speaker 2: discipline the bad children, He'll discipline the bad women too.
Speaker 2: And it shows women waiting up in lingerie while their
Speaker 2: husbands at work on the night shift, waiting for crampis
Speaker 2: and pulling out his whip, and she's looking like she's
Speaker 2: really enjoying.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh man, it is wild, all the traditions
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems to be a phenomenon that's been going on for
Speaker 1: very long time.
Speaker 4: Yeap, very long time. Doc, what's your what's your take on?
Speaker 4: Soorr'd to interrupt you, Steve, what's your take on? Like
Speaker 4: not catching them? I mean, I've seen some trail cam
Speaker 4: footage and trail cam pictures that look pretty convincing, but
Speaker 4: everybody always says the same thing, like Elon says the UFO,
Speaker 4: they're very subtle. I haven't seen them. There's no evidence.
Speaker 4: What's your take on? Like the hard to get evidence,
Speaker 4: the hard to get picture evidence of Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Honestly, with that and I talk about in the book,
Speaker 2: I think it's like we talked about. I think it
Speaker 2: might've been pre roll or maybe towards the beginning of
Speaker 2: the show, I can't remember, but how it's not just
Speaker 2: this it's not just that it's this and that it's
Speaker 2: usually a combination of things. Usually things are not that
Speaker 2: cut and dry, and I think that is the case
Speaker 2: with this bigfoot. Do I think there's some physicality to it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And with that that could be a lost remnant still roaming,
Speaker 2: or it could be uh an interdimensional type thing that
Speaker 2: can temporarily uh have physicality, and that's why you see
Speaker 2: it phasing in and out.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's also the whole spiritual side to it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think if you go with the context, uh, they
Speaker 2: were Harry giants, and you get into the whole est
Speaker 2: Sau thing Esau marries into Nephlim giant clans and breeds
Speaker 2: with them. And these giant clans were from the land
Speaker 2: of Mount Sier. And when you break into the etymology
Speaker 2: of the Hebrew Sierra means Harry. So he marries into
Speaker 2: known de Nepholim giant clans who their names identify them
Speaker 2: as Harry. Anyway. Wow, And then you hear the stories
Speaker 2: about the the Iraq guys. They're walking through the mountains
Speaker 2: and out of this cave comes this Harry covered in hair, giant.
Speaker 2: You know, we see a remnant, a leftover that was
Speaker 2: survived into modernity possibly, right, right, And I think that's
Speaker 2: what it is. You have this feral race of giants,
Speaker 2: and like anything DNA uh doesn't get stronger with time,
Speaker 2: it dissipates and you have inner breeding and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: this gene is probably alive and well through humanity today.
Speaker 2: It's just it's become so weak that it doesn't manifest
Speaker 2: in higher like it used to. It's not as strong, right, And.
Speaker 3: I've seen over time they shrink down too, Like they
Speaker 3: used to be like really really tall like, but now
Speaker 3: they're shrinking down to like normal human like size nowadays,
Speaker 3: to where you know, we can't really tell as much.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Like, I think it's like we started out a lot
Speaker 3: taller to humanity and every everything else and all the
Speaker 3: nepheline where we teller it's like a.
Speaker 1: Huge generation or a de evolution, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you go to the book Enoch, it
Speaker 2: says that the these giants, these nephilim, you know, they're
Speaker 2: when they die, their spirits are cursed to be demons
Speaker 2: and wander the earth until the end of time until judgment.
Speaker 2: So if these you know, bigfoot wild men Harry Farreell giants,
Speaker 2: when they die, their spirits remain, and so would they
Speaker 2: not choose a familiar form manifest And that's what we're
Speaker 2: seeing these you know, spiritual UH entities phasing in out
Speaker 2: of reality through portals. And the thing was too, is
Speaker 2: when you go into the the biblical account Uh one
Speaker 2: of the races born through this union of Esau with
Speaker 2: these giants, he birthed Amelek and Amelik births the Amalekite race.
Speaker 2: You break into the etymology of that name that means
Speaker 2: the blood liquors. And when you get into Eliazar and
Speaker 2: you get into the writings of Rashi, these these Uh
Speaker 2: Jewish rabbis and their writings, they talk about that they
Speaker 2: were known sorcerers. Oh, so you have that aspect too.
Speaker 2: They're phasing in and out of reality. And that's why
Speaker 2: God told his people, you know, don't leave anyone alive.
Speaker 2: Kill every man, woman and child. And in Roshi's writings
Speaker 2: it says because they were known sorcerers, they were known
Speaker 2: shape shifters. He uses that word in his writings. They
Speaker 2: were known shape shifters and and shift and shift into
Speaker 2: animals to evade capture. And that's why God said kill
Speaker 2: every man, woman, child.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a skinwalker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. And then the thing is too, like,
Speaker 3: you know, people get upset. They're like, well, why did
Speaker 3: God back in those days kill like the women, men
Speaker 3: and children and blah blah blah. That's why because they
Speaker 3: weren't human period, like anymore, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: there's nepheline bloodlines mixed with people who like are skinwalkers
Speaker 3: now because you know, in order to be a skinwalker
Speaker 3: in the native tribes at least, they had to.
Speaker 1: Kill the person they loved the most and.
Speaker 3: Do a whole bunch of Satanic rituals. So I'm just like,
Speaker 3: that's why God he has. God's ways are higher than
Speaker 3: man's ways, so of course he knows that. But the
Speaker 3: general populace nowadays are just like, oh, God was an
Speaker 3: evil person and blah blah blah blah blah, he just
Speaker 3: slaughtered everybody for this. I'm like, you got to break
Speaker 3: it down and you got the answers, you know, like
Speaker 3: and in your book they can be like, yo, this
Speaker 3: makes sense, you know absolutely.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, man. The book is for everyone, you know, like,
Speaker 1: it's not just you know, for Christians. I think it's
Speaker 1: a way to help Christians kind of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be or become aware that Wow, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: I knew what scriptures were talking about. You know, it
Speaker 1: kind of opens up that that light to getting you
Speaker 1: to want to dig deeper in the Bible, getting you
Speaker 1: to want to kind of make some connections that are
Speaker 1: out there the world, and you know it'll help us.
Speaker 2: It is. It's a skull key man, because it was
Speaker 2: a learning and experience for me as I was going
Speaker 2: through it. It was a journey for myself. And once
Speaker 2: I found this story, this narrative, this meta narrative inner
Speaker 2: layered into this Bible of ours, it answered so many
Speaker 2: ambiguous questions that I had. And I'm a guy that
Speaker 2: has read the Bible front to back many times throughout
Speaker 2: my whole life. I've read the ancient Biblical text. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm constantly in logos Bible software breaking into the Hebrew.
Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't saying I'm anybody special, but I'm
Speaker 2: a nerd. I'm a Bible nerd. And there was all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff that just left me scratching my head
Speaker 2: that I was like, man, why why is that that
Speaker 2: don't make sense. I mean, why would they just put
Speaker 2: that there and just leave that there? That makes no sense.
Speaker 2: But once I found this stuff, man, it was it
Speaker 2: was the skeleton key that unlocked it, and it tied
Speaker 2: everything in hand in glove. So ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I thought was just ambiguous didn't make any
Speaker 2: sense or left me confused. It answered all that and
Speaker 2: tied up so many loose sins and it completed this
Speaker 2: what in my mind was kind of a fractured story
Speaker 2: and made it flow like water Man from front to back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely helps with like your apologetics,
Speaker 1: you know, like it helped me. I mean I never
Speaker 1: would have had an answer for like what Taylor was
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, like the whole genocide claims right
Speaker 1: on God, But it's important to want to figure out
Speaker 1: the answers to these questions. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because what they teach us in you know,
Speaker 3: basic church nowadays, like so many Christians are like way
Speaker 3: down here and we should be knowing way more some
Speaker 3: witches and warlocks, no more than than we do on stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's not okay man. Like you know, like I
Speaker 3: think a lot of Christians don't want to be open minded. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I feel like they have a one track of mind.
Speaker 3: It's either black or white, there's no in between.
Speaker 1: We can't be like that, especially.
Speaker 3: When we got the adversary or the devil, you know,
Speaker 3: looking to kill, steal and destroy and just look for
Speaker 3: any avenue, you know, because ignorance is not bliss man.
Speaker 3: You know, just because you don't know the stuff going on.
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, just because you don't know
Speaker 3: a law doesn't mean you can claim ignorance. And that's
Speaker 3: how it is in the spirit realm, you know. So
Speaker 3: we have to be vigilant. We have to be you know,
Speaker 3: be watchful as watchmen and warn the people. And this
Speaker 3: is exactly what God has called you to do. I
Speaker 3: believe with your book, and I believe we're coming into
Speaker 3: a time where we're living that you know, this information
Speaker 3: is becoming out there. The truth will be revealed, and
Speaker 3: it's it's out there, man, like, so people can't claim
Speaker 3: ignorance no more. We got all this technology out here
Speaker 3: and people can't be blinded. Now, you know, we have to.
Speaker 1: Study to show ourself approved and do the homework.
Speaker 3: And you know, I believe your book is like a
Speaker 3: huge stepping stone for Christians to kind of be like yo,
Speaker 3: just kind of step back and look at it for
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 4: And that makes sense certainly. It certainly makes it more
Speaker 4: interesting than what everybody's been told. And speaking on ignorance,
Speaker 4: can we can you go, doc? Can you go over
Speaker 4: the verse where it talks about like Esau being born?
Speaker 4: What does it say exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Esau. That's in the Genesis twenty five twenty five,
Speaker 2: the birth and it says the first one came out red,
Speaker 2: covered in hair from head to toe like a hairy cloak.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so his name was Esau. So speaking on that verse,
Speaker 4: I was watching a video the other day of a
Speaker 4: young man that goes around, he's a Christian young young
Speaker 4: man and he goes around and he talks to everyone.
Speaker 4: But he he had stumbled upon, and probably on purpose,
Speaker 4: a stand a hut where the Hebrew Israelites or outside
Speaker 4: of a college campus or whatever. And you know, they
Speaker 4: got their microphone and they got the guide to the
Speaker 4: next of the next to them with the Bible, and
Speaker 4: he's flipping through verses and he's going and it feels
Speaker 4: like they try to twist scripture to fit their narrative
Speaker 4: and they try to say, I remember he was trying
Speaker 4: to say that Esaw is proof, that's the Caucasian lineage.
Speaker 4: What do you have any take on that? What do
Speaker 4: you think about that?
Speaker 3: And they think the white people are like the devil
Speaker 3: because they're like, yeah, they think we're the serpent seed lines.
Speaker 4: He specifically says that the Hebrews really specifically says Saw
Speaker 4: is proof that that white man is of savage beast,
Speaker 4: and that's where our lineage comes from. Is with what
Speaker 4: he's saying.
Speaker 2: And like you said, anybody can take any scripture. I
Speaker 2: mean honestly, any intelligent person or a quick witted person
Speaker 2: can take any scripture and twisted to what they want
Speaker 2: and knowledge bomb you with all kinds of random stuff.
Speaker 1: That sounds right.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's what a lot of people do. But
Speaker 2: the thing is you have to, you know, get your context.
Speaker 2: You got to read the verses all the way around it.
Speaker 2: You can't just go off that one verse. You got
Speaker 2: to look at all the other stories with Esau and
Speaker 2: whatever the subject matter is and get a fuller context.
Speaker 2: Because people can if someone has an end goal in
Speaker 2: mind or an idea, they can take any one sometimes
Speaker 2: maybe even two and take those scriptures and just manipulate
Speaker 2: and twist that thing like a laughy taffy or a
Speaker 2: pretzel to make it what they want it to be.
Speaker 2: And if you are not studying to show thyself approved
Speaker 2: and know your stuff, you can be deceived. And what
Speaker 2: they do is they say, oh, he come out red.
Speaker 2: Oh they're talking about the rosy cheeks skin. It didn't
Speaker 2: say rosy cheeks, it's that he was covered in red hair.
Speaker 1: When I told my friend that, he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just it's just a hairy guy. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm a hairy guy. I am a hairy guy. Look
Speaker 1: it's from the forehead to my ankles. Look listen.
Speaker 2: And now that I even had somebody that follows me
Speaker 2: on Instagram and I ain't gonna mention names, but they
Speaker 2: just recently followed me. And this person is it's a
Speaker 2: female and she is white as white can be. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what I post doesn't matter. She has
Speaker 2: a very long winded comment telling me how wrong, how
Speaker 2: she's got it all figured out, and without fail, it
Speaker 2: is the craziest off the wall stuff. At first, I
Speaker 2: tried conversion with this woman and she when I posted
Speaker 2: about Esau, that's what she said. She said, Nope, Esau
Speaker 2: was the white race and that's the devil's seed and
Speaker 2: God's chosen people's to black people, and you know, and
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff, and and she started throwing
Speaker 2: out all this kind of stuff at all, and just
Speaker 2: all these outlandish claims, and so I was like, okay, uh,
Speaker 2: I'll humor you. Uh, where's your references? You said this
Speaker 2: this and this? Where's that at? What book? Where can
Speaker 2: I find it? Because I'm a contrarian. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to take anybody's word for anything. I got to read
Speaker 2: it for myself. Oh everybody knows, Oh there is no
Speaker 2: reference everybody else Satan's mouth, yeah yeah, and everything I
Speaker 2: post it's like that. And so I just finally give up.
Speaker 2: I don't even respond to that person. But I noticed
Speaker 2: here recently somebody that follows me. They started comment and
Speaker 2: trying to argue with her, and it's like they'll figure
Speaker 2: it out just after a few exchanges with this person.
Speaker 2: But they are they're white as light can be. That's
Speaker 2: what if somebody somebody said in my post, they said,
Speaker 2: you're white as white can be. So are you saying
Speaker 2: you're the serpent seed.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: She is on that and I told him, you know,
Speaker 3: basically this I thought John three sixteen he came for
Speaker 3: all people, you know, male and female, So that includes
Speaker 3: every freaking skin color racism. You can't go yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: there's no racism in having dude like it's just so blashemos.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we had brian On, he was demon racerss He
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, you know, preach the Gospel into
Speaker 1: all creatures, right, so, and it's it's like the Gospels
Speaker 1: not just for one type of people or you know
Speaker 1: call it right, oh gosh, only not us white people. Apparently.
Speaker 1: You know what I like to do with comments like that,
Speaker 1: like to like it, and that's what I like it,
Speaker 1: love it, and then take it back. They'll get like
Speaker 1: the notification of it, and then they go there and
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, what did you know?
Speaker 4: He didn't He obviously didn't understand what I was saying.
Speaker 4: That's probably what they're thinking because probably, yeah, well the
Speaker 4: thing is.
Speaker 2: Too is like you have multi layered stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: just like I said, it's never this or that, it's
Speaker 2: usually this and that, and scriptures like an onion, it's
Speaker 2: got multi layers. Do I think the story of Esau
Speaker 2: and Jacob was historically true, I think so, yeah. But
Speaker 2: do I think there is also a meta or micro narrative.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I believe that one. Yeah, Like you have
Speaker 2: layers within layers, stories within stories. There's more, I think, yeah. So,
Speaker 2: I mean something might be historically true, but when the
Speaker 2: writer is writing it, they add these little details and
Speaker 2: caveats to pull you back to another story that's similar
Speaker 2: and shows you another a narrative within a narrative to
Speaker 2: connect everything in a seamless line and to draw your
Speaker 2: mind back to other things. And some scholars cause like
Speaker 2: the law first mentioned, they'll use certain words to draw
Speaker 2: your mind back to certain events. That way you make
Speaker 2: a connection and think, oh, okay, that's connected to this
Speaker 2: in a meta narrative, you know. So like when you
Speaker 2: have the cursing in the garden, he said, I will
Speaker 2: put enmity between her seed and thy seed. He was
Speaker 2: talking to her and the serpent. They both will have
Speaker 2: a seed. They will be an entity with one another.
Speaker 2: Then what does he say? One will bruise one's head
Speaker 2: and the other will bruise the other's heel. Right, this
Speaker 2: is in the Book of Genesis, and in a few chapters,
Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna say, just a few chapters later,
Speaker 2: what happens. This isn't the same book. Just a few
Speaker 2: chapters later, Ea Osborne, the first one comes out red,
Speaker 2: covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry cloak,
Speaker 2: and then the second comes out clutching the heel, and
Speaker 2: the verse before that, the Angel of the Lord comes
Speaker 2: to Rebecca and say, it is two nations. Two peoples
Speaker 2: are within your womb, and they struggle together within you.
Speaker 2: There's enmity between the two. Wow, one will be stronger
Speaker 2: than the other, but the younger will rule over the older.
Speaker 2: So when Esau was born, his foot pushing on Jacob's head,
Speaker 2: bruising the head, and Jacob reaching up clutching and bruising
Speaker 2: the heel. So it is a complete inversion and flip
Speaker 2: of the prophecy and kurs given into the garden. And
Speaker 2: I speculate the book, and I say, it's a speculation
Speaker 2: if Esau was a serpent seed, in which all the
Speaker 2: ancient writings pointed that they say he was born with
Speaker 2: a serpent's brand, and marking that his guardian angel was
Speaker 2: semi l the viper of God. The angel of death
Speaker 2: that he reached in and made sure his seed come
Speaker 2: out first, because that way he would get the birth
Speaker 2: right and be the ruler the next in line. So
Speaker 2: the Angel Lord comes and were warned Rebecca and says, hey,
Speaker 2: I know it's customary for the first born to get
Speaker 2: the birth right, but in this case, the younger is
Speaker 2: going to get the birth right because we know the
Speaker 2: devil is going to go in there and try to
Speaker 2: flip the prophecy from the Garden of Genesis three fifteen
Speaker 2: on its head. So Rebecca, it's your duty to make
Speaker 2: sure you do everything in your power that the chosen
Speaker 2: seed is the one that rules right.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why she made such an effort
Speaker 1: right yes, to tell Jacob, hey, you've got to get
Speaker 1: this birth rate, like this is not going to be good.
Speaker 1: I've screwed up. It's almost like she was, you know,
Speaker 1: stressed and pressured. And you know, you also talk about
Speaker 1: it in your book where you mention Rebecca and her
Speaker 1: side of her family right and paganism and you know
Speaker 1: who they pray to and stuff, just kind of like
Speaker 1: dig into that for us a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I'll say this out right too, because I know,
Speaker 2: some people be like, oh, you're making stuff up. They
Speaker 2: don't say nothing like that. And in the book, I
Speaker 2: tell you if I'm speculating or giving you a hypothesis,
Speaker 2: I say, hey, this is my opinion. This is pure speculation.
Speaker 2: But here's the verse, copy and paste for you to read.
Speaker 2: You don't even have to look it up. I do
Speaker 2: the legwork for you, or at least try to and show
Speaker 2: you this says this, and this says this, and that
Speaker 2: forms my opinion here like this. So I mean, I
Speaker 2: try to tell people when I'm speculating. But when you
Speaker 2: read Rebecca and her family history and story in the
Speaker 2: Book of Genesis. In your sixty six book, Cannon, it
Speaker 2: says that when she was acquired, Elia's r the cup Bearer,
Speaker 2: the servant of Abraham, was sent to the land of
Speaker 2: Haran to acquire a wife for his son. So Eliezar
Speaker 2: goes to Haran and finds Rebecca by the well. They
Speaker 2: bring him home and says, my master son is coming
Speaker 2: of age. I'm looking for a wife, and I was
Speaker 2: told to come here to the land of his father's
Speaker 2: people to acquire a wife. And he serves the Lord Yahweh.
Speaker 2: You know, basically, I'm paraphrasing here, but we're interested in
Speaker 2: your daughter. I think your daughter would be a good match. Well,
Speaker 2: her father replies in Genesis, he says, this Yahweh you
Speaker 2: speak of, I can neither speak good nor evil. So
Speaker 2: that shows you they didn't even know who Yahweh was.
Speaker 2: They served other gods there, and when you go into
Speaker 2: the history and the archaeology of the land of Haran,
Speaker 2: they served many gods, but they were really big into
Speaker 2: fertility gods in fertility worship. And one of those gods
Speaker 2: that was well known and well worshiped was sam Quan.
Speaker 2: But sam Quain is not the exception, he's the rule.
Speaker 2: Like I said, And you find these common themes, they're universal.
Speaker 2: When you look at these fertility gods, eight out of
Speaker 2: ten were wild men. They were covered in hair from hew. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You look at Pan, you look at Fawness, you look
Speaker 2: at I mean, I mean, I could go on all day.
Speaker 2: All these different gods were futility gods covered in hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The pagan gods are I mean, the Pagans are huge
Speaker 3: on worshiping like fertility god of all types, you know,
Speaker 3: like Ishtar and all these other you know, there's like
Speaker 3: the I noticed there's like a male.
Speaker 2: And a female version.
Speaker 1: Two. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy because every pagan god is almost related
Speaker 3: to a fertility god of some sort.
Speaker 4: It's interesting, it's kind of funny. Doesn't pagan just mean
Speaker 4: heathen and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it means anything anti god basically.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can kind of like draw conclusions that
Speaker 1: it's possible.
Speaker 2: With Rebecca they worship this god in her house. And
Speaker 2: in the epic of Gilgamesh, this was from that same
Speaker 2: land of Haran or right, and uh inky Do, who
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is another version, same person, same story,
Speaker 2: just kind of got their own spin to it. Of Esau.
Speaker 2: This inky Do was covered in hair from head to toe.
Speaker 2: He was a wild man in the field. He was
Speaker 2: known as a mighty hunter. W I mean, everything matches up.
Speaker 2: But it says that when he was made, it says
Speaker 2: pacifically that he was created as Gilgamesh is equal the
Speaker 2: Yin and yang nature versus civilization basically, And it says
Speaker 2: that inky Do was created in the image of sam
Speaker 2: Quain and sam Quain yeah, and sam Quain was covered
Speaker 2: in hair and it said that it was matted uh
Speaker 2: and he was the god of the of the cat hole.
Speaker 2: So Eliazar goes to this same land mentions their god,
Speaker 2: the father of Rebecca says ay, I can speak neither
Speaker 2: good nor evil of this god, but hey, you got
Speaker 2: a pretty good dowery, and this guy got some money
Speaker 2: and looks like my daughter's gonna be well took care of. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have my blessing. And then she goes and it
Speaker 2: says that she takes her handmaiden with her. So she
Speaker 2: was already a fully grown adult hood woman of mating age,
Speaker 2: breeding age, and was raising this house that worshiped all
Speaker 2: these fertility gods, and sam quain these harry fertility gods
Speaker 2: being amongst them. And then she comes into the House
Speaker 2: of Abraham and is presented as a husband to Isaac.
Speaker 2: So and I said, now that's what we know that,
Speaker 2: that's in the scriptures, that's in the archaeology, that's in
Speaker 2: the history. Now where I speculate, because everybody wants to ask, well,
Speaker 2: how did Esau come out looking like that? Did you
Speaker 2: know did she fool around with an angel or fallen
Speaker 2: angel or what happened here? And it doesn't come right
Speaker 2: out and say, so we have to put two and
Speaker 2: two together and do some speculation and some educated guesses.
Speaker 2: And that's what I do here. You know, I look
Speaker 2: and I see there's a number two, and there's a blank,
Speaker 2: and then we have a four. I got to figure
Speaker 2: out what that other number is. Yeah, So by doing that,
Speaker 2: I speculate. I'm like, well, did she breed with Satan
Speaker 2: or a fallen angel physically? That's one possibility. Did was
Speaker 2: this a spiritual conception like the conception of Jesus, you know,
Speaker 2: or the spirit or whatever hovered over and there's you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of spiritual thing. Could she have, you know,
Speaker 2: prayed to a fertility God that she knew and grew
Speaker 2: up with to bless her womb and this is what happened.
Speaker 2: That's another possibility. But that's the one that I think
Speaker 2: and that I went with and said, I believe that's
Speaker 2: how this happened. Because when you go back to the
Speaker 2: biblical text, it says that Rebecca was getting old in
Speaker 2: age and was barren. She couldn't have a child. This
Speaker 2: was the number one thing a woman was supposed to
Speaker 2: do in this ancient times. Look at the story of Abraham.
Speaker 2: Sarah was getting old in age, couldn't produce him an
Speaker 2: air she was freaking out.
Speaker 4: What she do?
Speaker 2: She gave her handmaiden Hagar to Abraham, and Ishmael was
Speaker 2: a product. Ishmael was the first born. He was supposed
Speaker 2: to get the birth right. Well, what happens. God miraculously
Speaker 2: opens the womb of Sarah and she conceives Isaac. So
Speaker 2: Ishmael has kicked out of the family, screwed out of
Speaker 2: his berth right, and it was given to the younger son.
Speaker 2: We had the same thing happening here with Esau, a
Speaker 2: woman that was barren in my opinion, here's why I
Speaker 2: speculate freaked out. Thought she was about to be cast
Speaker 2: out and another woman was going to come in to
Speaker 2: take her place to produce an air. A woman in
Speaker 2: that position would have been greatly desperate in my opinion. Right,
Speaker 2: So was is it out of the question to think
Speaker 2: that this woman in her need would pray to a
Speaker 2: familiar God that she grew up sacrificing to, praying to
Speaker 2: worshiping that that fertility God that was covered in Harefrom
Speaker 2: had the toe bless her womb, and that was the
Speaker 2: product of Esau. That's why Esau come out covered and
Speaker 2: Harefrom had the toe looking just like these fertility gods
Speaker 2: or maybe even unbeknownst to her, I even throw this out.
Speaker 2: This could be another alternative if you don't want to
Speaker 2: taint the the legacy of Rebecca, maybe unbeknownst to her,
Speaker 2: her handmaiden made a sacrifice in prayer to this fertility
Speaker 2: god to bless Rebecca's womb, right, right, Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 2: I mean, we know we have a two, we have
Speaker 2: a blank, and we have a four. How do we
Speaker 2: get to the four? And that we have to be
Speaker 2: honest and try to figure these things out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it fascinates me how this scenario completely
Speaker 1: mirrors what took place in the Garden as far as
Speaker 1: Cain and Able. I mean, it's like almost it's almost
Speaker 1: so symmetrical, right, And who knows, maybe this was like
Speaker 1: the time in history where there was just this there
Speaker 1: was a battle over you know, the birthright. Spiritually right,
Speaker 1: You've got this move counter move move right, Satan, God,
Speaker 1: all this stuff going on, a lot of things going
Speaker 1: on that we can't see, and it makes me think,
Speaker 1: you know, God obviously made the ultimate countermove right with
Speaker 1: with with Jacob? What's your view on like on with
Speaker 1: with God? Cursing you know these certain people in the Bible,
Speaker 1: why do you think kind of God is? Because the
Speaker 1: Gnostics can look at that and go, well, he is
Speaker 1: the bad for doing it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It should be the other way around. And you know
Speaker 1: what's your kind of view with that? Curious?
Speaker 2: And see, I think that is once again the meta narrative.
Speaker 2: It's the little stories in the Bible that is mirroring
Speaker 2: the big overall arching story that is our story, his story,
Speaker 2: his story, his story, our story, because if you look
Speaker 2: at the angels, they were his first creation, not us.
Speaker 2: When you go to the Book of Job, when Job's
Speaker 2: questioning God and he finally gets fed up, and you remember
Speaker 2: he gives him that good old boy talking to he says,
Speaker 2: where were you when I hung the stars? Where were
Speaker 2: you when I laid its foundations? You know, where were
Speaker 2: you when I had done this and done that? Can
Speaker 2: you put the hook in Leviathan's nose chaos? Can you
Speaker 2: grab chaos by the nose and make it your plaything?
Speaker 2: You are a nobody? Who are you to question me?
Speaker 2: Where were you? And then daring all that he says,
Speaker 2: and he's talking about creation, he says, and where were
Speaker 2: you when I hung the stars, did this? Did that?
Speaker 2: He said? And the morning stars the sons of God
Speaker 2: sang for joy at the side of creation. So that
Speaker 2: shows you these angels, He's angelic hostis divine counsel, was
Speaker 2: there and witnessed creation. It says it right there. So
Speaker 2: when God is creating mankind, he says, let us make
Speaker 2: man in our image. I don't think that he's talking
Speaker 2: to himself. A lot of people want to take the
Speaker 2: aspect that this is the trinity, you know, he's talking
Speaker 2: to the other aspects of himself. No, I think he's
Speaker 2: talking to the angelic coast. Because when anytime you see
Speaker 2: angels in the Bible, they look just like us. They eat,
Speaker 2: they drink, they sleep, that they have a physicality to them.
Speaker 2: Some of them even come down and bread with our women.
Speaker 2: I think that is to us a hour that God
Speaker 2: is talking about in that creation story. So they are
Speaker 2: if you look at it in a family aspect, because
Speaker 2: God is the father, we are a family. That is
Speaker 2: our elder brothers, we are the younger brother. Throughout all
Speaker 2: the meta narratives of the Bible, what does God do.
Speaker 2: He always chooses the younger brother when the older brother
Speaker 2: should get the birthright.
Speaker 1: Wow, and he chooses us versus the angels.
Speaker 2: He will judge the angels. Dude, that is the birthright
Speaker 2: and seed war right.
Speaker 4: And it makes a lot of sense with like go
Speaker 4: back to talking about why can't you catch Bigfoot on
Speaker 4: the camp because it's spiritual and it's physical, just like
Speaker 4: the angels, you can't see them because it's spiritual and
Speaker 4: it's physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting back to that. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it is in more interdimensional. It plays the physical part,
Speaker 1: it plays the spiritual part.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The interdimensional is kind of like that transmutation that happens.
Speaker 1: They they'll materialize, dematerialize. What's fascinating is when I you know,
Speaker 1: going through your book, I think you mentioned a story
Speaker 1: that bo was talking about. He had this woman on
Speaker 1: his show kind of tell that story for us, because
Speaker 1: that makes me think almost that you know, the sightings
Speaker 1: of the foot, the whole phenomenon behind it, that these
Speaker 1: are either the spirits of the nepheline or they are
Speaker 1: the sons of the offspring of the nephilene.
Speaker 3: I think they're the offspring because they look like like
Speaker 3: actual male and female faces with like hair and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I think they're the offspring.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think I think so too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And before I go there though, just to put a
Speaker 2: bow on what I was talking about earlier. Absolutely, this
Speaker 2: whole meta narrative, micro narrative that you see, it's stew
Speaker 2: out all the Bible, guys, it's stew out all the
Speaker 2: parables and stories. Do I think that some of these
Speaker 2: are you know, are they historical?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But it's an onion. Once again, there's so many layers.
Speaker 2: There's meta narratives all through that that connect to the
Speaker 2: huge overarching narrative. Look at the parable of the prodigal son. Okay,
Speaker 2: what happens an eldest son that was supposed to get
Speaker 2: the birth right? Ah, then you have a younger son
Speaker 2: that wants his inheritance now goes off, rolls in the
Speaker 2: pig filth, thinks that he's never going to be accepted back.
Speaker 2: But God or but the father accepts him back with
Speaker 2: open arms, puts a signet ring of authority back on him.
Speaker 2: And what happens. The elder brother is pissed, he's jealous,
Speaker 2: and what does he say, I've been here the whole time,
Speaker 2: I've never left you. I've done what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 2: This other brother has failed, repeatedly embarrassed our family name
Speaker 2: rolled in pig excrement. But not only do you accept
Speaker 2: him back, you put a signet of authority, put a
Speaker 2: ring back on his finger, and hold this huge banquet
Speaker 2: and party in celebration. You've never had a party or
Speaker 2: celebration for me. Where's my party? Tell me that is
Speaker 2: not with this new glasses. That if you didn't have
Speaker 2: this viewpoint that I just told you about earlier, tell
Speaker 2: me you don't see it now. That is the angelic
Speaker 2: beings our elder brothers, and we are the younger brother
Speaker 2: who wanted our inheritance now squandered it and is accepted away,
Speaker 2: and the signet ring of authority placed back on our finger,
Speaker 2: and they're mad. Tell me you don't see the same
Speaker 2: narrative with the parable of the wheat and the tears.
Speaker 2: What happens in that story? He says a landowner sown
Speaker 2: good seed and walked away, and in his absence the
Speaker 2: adversary sown his seed, and that the workers come and say, father,
Speaker 2: did you not sow good seed? But yeay, tars grow
Speaker 2: amongst the wheat. And he said the enemy has done this,
Speaker 2: and the tears are of him. Well, should we tear
Speaker 2: up the tars? No, least you tear up the wheat.
Speaker 2: In pulling up the tars. No, let the tars grow
Speaker 2: amongst the wheat. And at harvest we will pull them
Speaker 2: all up and separate the wheat from the tars, and
Speaker 2: throw the tars in the fire judgment. The same parables
Speaker 2: to be told. But it's with sheep and goats. What
Speaker 2: animal was killed and wrapped around them like a cloak
Speaker 2: to pretend they were esau.
Speaker 4: And goat a goat?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and go off? We have represents the bath
Speaker 1: on that too crazy?
Speaker 2: And we have the same parable with the good tenant.
Speaker 2: What happens with the good tenant parable that Jesus told.
Speaker 2: A landowner has a piece of land. He rents it
Speaker 2: to a farmer, and they agree that they will look
Speaker 2: over the land and come harvest time, the landowner we
Speaker 2: get the first fruits. Well, come harvest time, he's sends
Speaker 2: his messenger. Okay, for those that are not following here,
Speaker 2: the landowner, God, the land earth, the farmers that look
Speaker 2: over the land. This is the angels, the watchers that
Speaker 2: was given dominion at the tower of Bible. And who
Speaker 2: is the first fruits and that the harvest that's been growing.
Speaker 2: It's us. Well the prophets. The prophets are the messenger. Well,
Speaker 2: the first messengers get sinned. What do they do? They
Speaker 2: killed the messenger? What did they do? They killed the prophets?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And then he sent another messenger. They killed that messenger too.
Speaker 2: Then finally he says, I will send my son. They
Speaker 2: will not kill my son.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So he sends the sun and they say we will
Speaker 2: kill the son. He will know we mean business and
Speaker 2: the land will be ours. That's Jesus, folks, right. This
Speaker 2: is the same all the stories, all these parables of
Speaker 2: the of the family, the birth right, the older brother,
Speaker 2: the younger brother. It is all flowing through it.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that is so wild, well said, I love it. Yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's it's uh. I love
Speaker 1: seeing the Bible this way. There's something that gives me confirmation,
Speaker 1: there's something that I'm locked into it. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of people will say that the other way
Speaker 1: to look at those parables is basically saved and unsaved, right,
Speaker 1: And and I don't it's context right, Like the whole
Speaker 1: Bible is all one huge, gigantic story, and there is
Speaker 1: a generalized context behind the whole thing from beginning to end.
Speaker 1: And to me, it only makes complete sense when you're
Speaker 1: getting into these parables in the way we're talking about
Speaker 1: him right now, you know. So it's it's fascinating, man,
Speaker 1: And it plays a lot into like our supernatural reality today,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean if the end days talk about
Speaker 1: the you know, as in the days of Noah, we're
Speaker 1: kind of like starting to see in our day and
Speaker 1: age like that, you know, with genetics and all this
Speaker 1: kind of what I think is unethical like experimentation. It's weird, man.
Speaker 1: You know, things that we were thought impossible, you know,
Speaker 1: are becoming possible.
Speaker 3: But they dealt with mythology is actually real man.
Speaker 1: That's the It happened in such a short amount of
Speaker 1: time too, which makes me think, like, man, there's purpose,
Speaker 1: isn't agenda going on here? Right? That it's that fallen
Speaker 1: angel agenda.
Speaker 4: Got no doubt?
Speaker 3: Remember, Yeah, God said he would throw us into basically
Speaker 3: like a place of wolves, like on this earth, like
Speaker 3: you know, bewary man is like this whole place is
Speaker 3: while we're temporary on earth, man, it's like principalities of
Speaker 3: darkness and high places what we're going against.
Speaker 1: Right, right? And I think there's another Oh, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna say. And one of the
Speaker 2: things too that ties into this that I was totally
Speaker 2: ignorant to, that opened up more and it goes along
Speaker 2: with that, was the birth right. It's not just land,
Speaker 2: it's not just money and titles and animals. It's a
Speaker 2: whole yack you said, It's a whole spiritual thing. And
Speaker 2: the birth right is symbolically in these stories tied into
Speaker 2: the supernatural garments from the Garden of God. That is
Speaker 2: the birth right. And when you go into the extra
Speaker 2: biblical books, it gets it kind of spells it out
Speaker 2: more for you. But you see it, like I said,
Speaker 2: in these meta narratives and woven into the Bible sixty
Speaker 2: six book Cannon. But just like Jesus said, you know
Speaker 2: when he said to these disciples, these disciples, like you
Speaker 2: always speak in these parables. You know why, And He's like,
Speaker 2: because to them, the mysteries have not been given The
Speaker 2: mysteries have been given to you, and you still don't
Speaker 2: understand the Holy Spirit. And that's because a lot of
Speaker 2: people talk about when I talk about some of this stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's kind of a stretch for some
Speaker 2: people heard from the grass. They were like, no, it's
Speaker 2: if it was like that, it would just say it.
Speaker 2: It just come right. Why don't they just come right
Speaker 2: out and say it, Because that's not how God works. Man.
Speaker 2: He lays the bread crumbs out, and what does he
Speaker 2: tell you. He says, study and show thyself for proof.
Speaker 4: Got work for it.
Speaker 2: And it says that it is the glory of God
Speaker 2: to conceal a thing, But the glory of kings is
Speaker 2: to search things out. We're to search it out and
Speaker 2: find it. He's not going to spell it out for you,
Speaker 2: but for the ones that are curious and that are
Speaker 2: seekers and pray and read through this stuff and read
Speaker 2: these extra biblical books for context, you're going to find it.
Speaker 2: Because he left a bread crumb trail and this birthright.
Speaker 2: It talks about it on Ginsburg, Legends of the Jews, Jashure,
Speaker 2: some of these other extra biblical books. It says that
Speaker 2: at the fall that Satan, when he was thrown down,
Speaker 2: he was demoted his signet ring, like we've talked about
Speaker 2: in that parable, that is the birthright. That is the
Speaker 2: supernatural garments of the garden of God, and that is
Speaker 2: the symbol of kingship, priesthood, and authority. And he give
Speaker 2: dominion to Adam. That was the symbol of that dominion.
Speaker 2: And it says that when Satan was cast down, he
Speaker 2: was once the high priest of creation. And when you
Speaker 2: go to Ezekiel, twenty eight and ninety nine point eight
Speaker 2: percent of Christians will tell you that that's talking about Satan.
Speaker 2: And what does it say? You were in the garden
Speaker 2: of God. Every precious stone was your covering di baryl Onyx,
Speaker 2: topaz jasper and it lists them. And when you get
Speaker 2: into the masoretic text, it lists nine stones, but when
Speaker 2: you get into the septuagen it lists twelve stones. This
Speaker 2: is a carbon copy picture polaroid of the priestly ephod
Speaker 2: that God's priests war entering the holiest of holies. So
Speaker 2: it's painting Satan in a priestly role. And then if
Speaker 2: you were like, ah, why don't it just say you know,
Speaker 2: they don't say that you're You're assuming you're stretching. We'll
Speaker 2: keep reading, because it says, not only did you know
Speaker 2: was he perfect in all his ways until iniquity was
Speaker 2: found in him. And all this stuff, It says, plainly,
Speaker 2: you profaned your what your sanctuaries. So not only is
Speaker 2: it painting him to priestly roll with this, e fought
Speaker 2: it fled out says he had a sanctuary and he
Speaker 2: profaned it, and then he was cast from the garden
Speaker 2: of God as a profane thing. And that garment, that authority,
Speaker 2: that dominion, that kingship and priesthood, that is the coverings
Speaker 2: that was given to Adam to mankind, they were given dominion,
Speaker 2: and those garments were passed to the eldest son. That
Speaker 2: was the birthright. And when you get into the book
Speaker 2: of Jasher and these other books, it tells you flat
Speaker 2: out it went from Adam, he went to Enoch, he
Speaker 2: went to Methuselah to Noah. Noah had them on the
Speaker 2: boat and carried them through the ark. But once they
Speaker 2: come on the other side of the ark, Ham's rebellion.
Speaker 2: Ham stole those garments and it went to Nimrod. And
Speaker 2: then through the book of Jashan, these Aftra biblic books,
Speaker 2: you find out that these two mighty men, Nimrod the
Speaker 2: mighty hunter, faced off against Esau the mighty hunter, and
Speaker 2: it said that hatred, resentment, and jealousy built up in
Speaker 2: the heart of Nimrod all his days against Esau, and
Speaker 2: he went out to hunt this hairy beast of a
Speaker 2: man to show who the real mighty man was. But
Speaker 2: Esau seen him and hid himself. And it says that
Speaker 2: he sprung out, cut off Nimrod's head, killed two of
Speaker 2: his giants that was his bodyguards. And then it says
Speaker 2: he steals the garments to which Nimrod was able to
Speaker 2: prevail over all the nations, and then runs home, hides
Speaker 2: the garments in his house, and then enters into Jacob's tent.
Speaker 2: And here's where we pick up, and it dovetails perfectly
Speaker 2: into the trading of the birthright in Genesis. That never
Speaker 2: made any sense to me, because if you go back
Speaker 2: to that story, what does it say. It says he
Speaker 2: come in from the field exhausted. Yeah, he was exhausted,
Speaker 2: all right, he just killed the king and he's on
Speaker 2: the run and he just fought three giants, probably sustained.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like you said, what use is a birthright
Speaker 2: to me? When I am dead? And take it?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow? The whole thing behind the Bowl of suit man,
Speaker 1: you know, symbolic for me. I think this is kind
Speaker 1: of what was playing out, you know. And there's a
Speaker 1: couple of Hollywood films out there that actually kind of
Speaker 1: flashed to us the garments, right, So it's in it's
Speaker 1: in the Noah.
Speaker 4: Movie, snake skin around his skin.
Speaker 1: Kind of like around his arm. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: another film I think it's called Clash of the Titans.
Speaker 1: And so you've got this stuff going on on Earth,
Speaker 1: but then you've got the gods, you know, up in
Speaker 1: the heavens, and Zeus is wearing this breastplate that's got
Speaker 1: jewels all over it, and none of the other you know,
Speaker 1: subordinate gods have what he's wearing. It's clear that story.
Speaker 2: That the one son of the goddess that rebelled and
Speaker 2: was sexually promiscuous was cursed and turned into a beast.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, dude. That's the mythology connections right
Speaker 1: with all this stuff. Man. I mean you even get
Speaker 1: into it as well with the epic of Gilgamesh. You
Speaker 1: get into it with that story between him and Key
Speaker 1: Do you know, elaborate on that a little bit for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just like I talked about in the
Speaker 2: Book of Jasher. It says in there that these two
Speaker 2: mighty men, you know, hated each other, wanted to prove
Speaker 2: who the real mighty man was, and they went to battle. Well,
Speaker 2: when you read the epic of Gilgamesh, you have Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: who a lot of historians and biblical scholars align with Nimrod.
Speaker 2: Thinks it's the same guy, same story, just different names, uh.
Speaker 2: And then you have inky Do. Inky Do is a
Speaker 2: mirror image of Esau. He's covered and harefm haad the
Speaker 2: toe made in the image of sam Queen. He was
Speaker 2: the mighty hunter of the field. He was the wild man,
Speaker 2: and Nimrod was this mighty hunter that dominated. No one
Speaker 2: could best him in battle or war or drinking. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was just the top dog. And this trapper in
Speaker 2: this story is out hunting and comes across inky Do,
Speaker 2: and it says that he's basically hunting by this pool
Speaker 2: or this lake, and that all the animals go there
Speaker 2: to feed and to water. And then as he's getting
Speaker 2: ready to kill one of these wild animals, it says
Speaker 2: that this sasquatched looking thing walks up, this beast covered
Speaker 2: and harefm head the toe and it's huge, and said
Speaker 2: that this trapper is frozen with fright. It's unlike anything
Speaker 2: he's ever seen before, and he's scared to death to
Speaker 2: even move, afraid this thing's going to see him and
Speaker 2: just rip him the shreds. And it says he hide
Speaker 2: and waits, and that this beast drinks at the water
Speaker 2: and hole. All the other animals ain't afraid of him.
Speaker 2: He just hangs out with him, and they accept him
Speaker 2: like he's one of theirs. And then he turns and
Speaker 2: goes back into the wilderness. And then the trapper runs
Speaker 2: for his life and goes back to Er and is
Speaker 2: in the taverns telling people, you know, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: seen this freaking sasqua. It's just big old Harry beast
Speaker 2: of the field man, and he runs with the animals
Speaker 2: like he's one of them. It's the craziest thing I
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. This thing would probably best Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: you know. And the words started traveling around town, and
Speaker 2: Gilgamesh gets word of it, and he cast this hunter
Speaker 2: to his palace and it's like, you know, I hear
Speaker 2: some pretty tall tales. Man Tep, tell me your tale,
Speaker 2: and he tells him and it strikes fear into the
Speaker 2: heart of Gilgamesh. So but he wants to prove that
Speaker 2: he is the mighty hunter and that nothing can best him.
Speaker 2: So now there's word traveling around there's something that can
Speaker 2: best him. So he stacks the that. He says, Okay,
Speaker 2: go back to where you found this beast and wait
Speaker 2: for it. But go to the temple of Anana. Take
Speaker 2: a temple harlot with you, and I want her to
Speaker 2: cast off her clothes and seduce this hairy beast of
Speaker 2: a man in the field. No man can turn away
Speaker 2: a woman and make sure it's a prostitute from the
Speaker 2: temple of a Nana. And I want her to cast
Speaker 2: a spell on him and weaken him. I have her
Speaker 2: lay with him for seven days seven nights, NonStop, and
Speaker 2: once the seven days is up, to remove herself from him,
Speaker 2: and the wilderness will reject him, and the woman will
Speaker 2: weaken him and bring him to me. So the trapper
Speaker 2: goes blow. Anona gets gets the prettiest prostitute, takes her
Speaker 2: with him and carry out their plants. She removes her clothes,
Speaker 2: inky do ravishes her for seven days and seven nights,
Speaker 2: and then she leaves him. It says that inky Do
Speaker 2: tries to return back to the wilderness with all the
Speaker 2: other animals, and that the animals reject him, that he
Speaker 2: smelled different, something was different about him. He was no
Speaker 2: longer accepted. And it says that the animals tried to
Speaker 2: run from him, and that he ran and tried to
Speaker 2: keep up with the animals. But it says in the text,
Speaker 2: it says it was as if his body was bound.
Speaker 2: His legs were heavied, and he was bound like a cord.
Speaker 2: And this is the same you know terminology you get
Speaker 2: with with witchcraft and spells. You know, you bind something.
Speaker 2: And you hear it in the Bible too, you know,
Speaker 2: Jesus said, uh, if you're if you are to plunder
Speaker 2: a strong man's house, you must first bind the strong man. So,
Speaker 2: after the wilderness rejects him and he's been weakened, he
Speaker 2: has nowhere to go. He goes looking for the Harlot
Speaker 2: and she's there waiting by the pool, and she tells
Speaker 2: him they don't accept you now because you've outgrown them.
Speaker 2: You know you are now wise come with me to
Speaker 2: the city of Rth, where the wine never stops and
Speaker 2: the bread's flowing, and mighty Gilgamesh takes care of us
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and he's the mighty king. No
Speaker 2: one can best him. And this hits his ego and
Speaker 2: he says, I'm the mighty man. Take me to this Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: and I will best him, and I will be your
Speaker 2: new king. So she takes him to err and these
Speaker 2: guys have this epic battle, but in their version, Gilgamesh wins,
Speaker 2: but they end up becoming best friends. And then they
Speaker 2: go on all these epic adventures to right right, right,
Speaker 2: they and together they slay another beast of the field,
Speaker 2: the great beast, Humbaba, the guardian of the Cedar forest.
Speaker 2: And it said that this was in Mount Hermon, where
Speaker 2: the Anunnaki live, the place where the angels descended.
Speaker 1: Right, little, they're they're doing a what do they call
Speaker 1: it damage control with their stories. You know, where they're
Speaker 1: gonna the narrative against God is going to in a
Speaker 1: way just it's gonna plan out and say it. They're
Speaker 1: they're going to lie in their stories, right, They're going
Speaker 1: to fabricate their narrative and their stories to exalt their
Speaker 1: god or God. Yes, right, there's really no way of
Speaker 1: kind of getting around that with them. You know, the
Speaker 1: whole thing with Esau and the description of him, you know,
Speaker 1: the goats for orange from head to toe. There's a
Speaker 1: picture you have in your book. I forget what it is.
Speaker 1: It's a painting, though, and I think it it went
Speaker 1: back to where you talk about it and you think
Speaker 1: it's possibly it could be Caine and Esau.
Speaker 4: Right, what's that Chapel?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's yeah, Michelangelo painted it in assisting Chapel and
Speaker 2: I talk about it. I have a whole chapter called
Speaker 2: wild Men of the Bible because a lot of people
Speaker 2: that even maybe see Esau, you know, as a wild man,
Speaker 2: they think he's the only one. But no, there's more.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: When you get into Nebuchinezer the second and he's cursing,
Speaker 2: God curses him, and what happens. He grows hair as
Speaker 2: long as eagles feathers.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the werewolf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 2: People, a lot of people take that context with it.
Speaker 2: But with me seeing this bigfoot thing, I kind of
Speaker 2: put it in that light and I was like, and
Speaker 2: his nails grow long, and he roams with the beast
Speaker 2: of the field for seven years, and it says that
Speaker 2: he even eats the grass like the Oxen. I mean
Speaker 2: he becomes a wild man, and then he returns after
Speaker 2: seven years, but he returns more wise and is a
Speaker 2: better king and rules better and gives praise an honor
Speaker 2: to Yahweh. So he returns a wise sage. And you
Speaker 2: have that in the legends of the Woodwofs when you
Speaker 2: go into Europe. You know, I mentioned that earlier in
Speaker 2: the show, but all their legends in Europe of this
Speaker 2: wild man. He's always this mystical phasing in out reality
Speaker 2: portals and has magic and has the power of prophecy,
Speaker 2: and all their legends and lore they talk about it. Basically,
Speaker 2: they treat it kind of like a leprechaun. You gotta
Speaker 2: follow the rainbow and get to the end and capture
Speaker 2: the leprechaun, and then you get the pot of gold.
Speaker 2: So they believed if you went into the woods and
Speaker 2: captured the wild Man that he was a magical creature
Speaker 2: with prophetic knowledge, that he would give you future knowledge
Speaker 2: and things you would benefit from it. And there were
Speaker 2: stories that they would lay out beer and wine to
Speaker 2: try to intoxicate the wild man to capture it and
Speaker 2: exchange its freedom for a prophetic knowledge and things like that.
Speaker 2: And you have that in the story of the Epic
Speaker 2: of Gilgamesh because when they take him to the town
Speaker 2: before the battle the temple, Harlot takes him to the
Speaker 2: tavern because he's never had drink before, so she's done
Speaker 2: slept with him for seven days, seven nights, and weakened
Speaker 2: him with a smell. Then takes him to the tavern.
Speaker 2: He's never had wine, and they get him heavily intoxicated
Speaker 2: before they take him to Gilgamesh. So Gilgamesh is fighting
Speaker 2: an already weakened guy with magic and he's pissed drunk,
Speaker 2: so he really stacked. Yeah, he stacked the deck against him.
Speaker 2: So you have even kind of like the hints of
Speaker 2: that wild man mythology kind of stuff in that story.
Speaker 4: But uh.
Speaker 2: So they were like wise sages, so you even have
Speaker 2: a hint of that with Nebekanazer he becomes a wild man,
Speaker 2: goes into the wilderness, but returns a wise sage. And
Speaker 2: when you get into the Targums and the other extra
Speaker 2: biblical writings, they come right out and say that Canes
Speaker 2: marking and cursing was that he was covered in hair
Speaker 2: and was given a horn.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: The theory that le Mac.
Speaker 2: Yeah, killed him in the field, right, because yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's why he was so afraid of being killed, because
Speaker 2: he looked like a beast. And like you said, when
Speaker 2: you get into the targums, it says that Lamech and
Speaker 2: his old age was growing blind and that his son
Speaker 2: would help him hunt. And his son seen this hairy
Speaker 2: beast in the field and told his dad were to shoot,
Speaker 2: and shot and killed it. And when they got up
Speaker 2: on it, he realized it was his ancestor Kane. And
Speaker 2: that's where you get this story in the Bible where
Speaker 2: he said, if Cain's cursing was time seven, might be
Speaker 2: seventy times seven because I killed a man and in
Speaker 2: my anger killed a youth. Because it says that once
Speaker 2: he's seen that it was his ancestor Kane, and he
Speaker 2: was screwed. He killed his son for the mistake.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: And the medieval rabbi Rashi, he said that he thinks
Speaker 2: it was a misinterpretation where it says that you know,
Speaker 2: cursed is any man time seven who kills Caan.
Speaker 4: He thanks seventh here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God was saying forkin to fear, not that the
Speaker 2: revenge on his brother abels blood would come in the
Speaker 2: seventh generation and when you count seven generations from Abel,
Speaker 2: you land right on limec.
Speaker 3: Right, right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Michelangelo was reading these books, in
Speaker 2: these texts and painted them as the serpent Seed in
Speaker 2: the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, because when you look,
Speaker 2: it's like a little easter egg. Man, you have this
Speaker 2: heel and inside of the hill you have a cave,
Speaker 2: and when you look in, I mean it's unmistakable it's
Speaker 2: a freaking sasquatch in the cave and like in his face,
Speaker 2: like yelling at him. It looks like in the painting
Speaker 2: is another head to toe Harry Man, but with a
Speaker 2: single horn. What I think it is the serpent Seed
Speaker 2: is Esau and Caine painted in the ceiling of the
Speaker 2: Sistine Chapel, and Michelangelo put it in there. It's like
Speaker 2: a little Easter egg for those with eyes to see.
Speaker 4: Wow, right, you know, incredible.
Speaker 1: What what gets me too with the serpent seat theory
Speaker 1: is you know you've got this uh, this war between bloodlines,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's still going on today, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of like where you're you
Speaker 1: talk about the wheat and the terrors. I really just
Speaker 1: kind of like don't know the full like understanding of
Speaker 1: what that like supposed to really look like. You know,
Speaker 1: are there blue bloods out there? You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of wild, man, it's so.
Speaker 4: Wid speaking of that, have you heard Doc? Do you
Speaker 4: know who Demon Racers is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Brian, you know Brian right, Yeah, I've seen him
Speaker 2: on a lot of shows and stuff. I actually reached
Speaker 2: out to him a while back. He's supposed to be
Speaker 2: recording with him, like within the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: I think, dude, you two are like, that's a perfect
Speaker 4: episode because he has a narrative where we had him
Speaker 4: on not too long ago, and he's doing his rounds
Speaker 4: and he's got some very wild, wild stuff. He says,
Speaker 4: all very fascinating. But he brought up the fact that
Speaker 4: he thinks that we are all of Caine's lineage because
Speaker 4: of our kN nine teeth and there was dog headed
Speaker 4: men running around pretty much all over at one point,
Speaker 4: and the Knight's the that's the reason why there's a
Speaker 4: k in front of knights. Yeah, it's a very fascinating topic.
Speaker 4: It makes it actually makes a lot of sense if
Speaker 4: you if you're gonna talk about Caine. Actually, because I
Speaker 4: asked him this question. I said, you know, does that
Speaker 4: mean that Caine was actually like hairy and like look
Speaker 4: like a dog man or whatnot? Is what I asked him.
Speaker 4: And he said, no, he thinks there's like beastiality and
Speaker 4: hybridization down the line. But what you're saying makes it
Speaker 4: kind of ties in with what he's saying a lot,
Speaker 4: quite a bit. It's very for what do you think
Speaker 4: about that? Do you think that we're you know, because
Speaker 4: of our cane.
Speaker 2: We can't think that we all can't be because I mean,
Speaker 2: you have it's the seed war. You have to in line.
Speaker 2: You have the line of the woman, the line of
Speaker 2: the devil. And like we talked about genetics, they kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, breed themselves out, and like the theory of entropy,
Speaker 2: nothing gets better with time. It only degrades, right, And
Speaker 2: the more you interbreed, the weaker and weaker it gets.
Speaker 2: And and just like the parable of the wheat and tears,
Speaker 2: a lot of people thinks, oh, you know, you could
Speaker 2: tell those apart. You know, they noticed it in the parable.
Speaker 2: But when you take a look at a picture, and
Speaker 2: I have pictures of it in the book, when you
Speaker 2: put them side by side, they're identical. You can't tell
Speaker 2: the difference. The only time you can tell the difference
Speaker 2: has come harvest time, because the wheat there's fruit, and
Speaker 2: it gets heavy and it bows, it humbly bows. The
Speaker 2: wheat stands proud and tall, and that's how you can
Speaker 2: tell them apart, and you can't tell to a harvest time.
Speaker 4: Well, that still kind of makes sense, because so we're
Speaker 4: our dna, we're degrading, we're really hairy people. Look at
Speaker 4: my beard, look at your beard. You know, it still
Speaker 4: kind of makes sense a little bit. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I see what you're saying, but uh, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that there has to be a remnant, you know,
Speaker 2: a pure bloodline, and that's why. But I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that Hell basically we're all mutts, you know what. Maybe
Speaker 2: and maybe and maybe it went to hell after the Messiah,
Speaker 2: but that there had to be a perfected line until
Speaker 2: that time because in Christ had to be pure and
Speaker 2: that's why he preserved the line. And even with Noah.
Speaker 2: When you go into the etymology, once again, these Hebrew
Speaker 2: words have meaning and they're important, and they get muddied
Speaker 2: and lost in translation to English, but it says that
Speaker 2: Noah was the only righteous man left, and people, oh, here,
Speaker 2: you know, he had no sin. No, it's talking about
Speaker 2: the blood. That Hebrew word to mem was used in
Speaker 2: this sacrificial system for the Lambs without limish.
Speaker 1: Like when the Bible talks about Noah and it says
Speaker 1: that he was perfect in his generations, you know, they say,
Speaker 1: like he's perfect and he's a man of like righteousness.
Speaker 1: But the Bible, and this is the thing with the
Speaker 1: other side, right, they always fall back to that the
Speaker 1: Bible interprets the Bible. And if I'm going to allow
Speaker 1: that to dictate how I'm gonna think about this. You know,
Speaker 1: no man is perfect, but no man is We've all
Speaker 1: fallen short of all right love, you know, and the
Speaker 1: Bible says that, So I'm going to let that interpret.
Speaker 1: There you go, that scenario, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I mean it's according to what you know,
Speaker 2: different English translations. Some say perfect, others say righteous. But
Speaker 2: that the Hebrew words there is to mem and that
Speaker 2: same word was you used, Like you said, let the
Speaker 2: Bible interpret the Bible. That's also used talking about the
Speaker 2: purity of the blood of the sacrificial animal. They had
Speaker 2: to be to Mim, to be sacrificed and without blemish.
Speaker 2: And it's us doing that word association with Noah. He
Speaker 2: was the only to mim one left. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people that want to diminish the giant narrative, they'll
Speaker 2: be kind of facetious and they'll say, well, if there
Speaker 2: was giants after the flood, that means God failed. You're
Speaker 2: implying God failed now, And I'm like, well, you don't
Speaker 2: know the intentions of God. You know God. I don't
Speaker 2: believe God fails either, but I believe it wasn't to
Speaker 2: wipe them out. It was to level the playing field. Yes,
Speaker 2: they said Noah was the only one left, so it
Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'm going to level the playing field here.
Speaker 2: That way, you don't choke out the chosen seed. Rightwise,
Speaker 2: because it tells you there was giants on the earth
Speaker 2: in those days, and also after it's talking about the flood.
Speaker 3: Some survived that went their little portals and underwater kingdoms
Speaker 3: and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 2: Man and even the legends of the Jews and stuff
Speaker 2: they say that like the writings of Abraham and some
Speaker 2: of the targets and stuff. It says that Og rowed
Speaker 2: on top of the boat, that Noah fed him through
Speaker 2: a hole in the arc, and it said that Og
Speaker 2: basically pledged his allegiance to Noah and said that if
Speaker 2: he would save him, he would be a servant. You know,
Speaker 2: I've observed the Lord and do all these things, and
Speaker 2: that he didn't hold up his end of the bargain.
Speaker 2: And then the Writings of Abraham says that Noah's wife
Speaker 2: was Nama from the line of Canaan, and it said
Speaker 2: that he told Noah to take her specifically so that
Speaker 2: the serpent seed would be preserved through the flood, to
Speaker 2: keep uh the prophecy alive and preserve the seed of
Speaker 2: the serpent to the end time.
Speaker 4: Wait, Noah's wife was Cannonite.
Speaker 2: According to the no this is not canon. This is
Speaker 2: the book of Abraham or the cuttings of Abraham. They
Speaker 2: go in and say, that's how the serpent seed lineage
Speaker 2: made it through the flood. Yeah, that the Lord instructed
Speaker 2: Noah to take Nama as wife to preserve the serpent
Speaker 2: seed to the end time. That way his word and
Speaker 2: his prophecy from Genesis would stay alive and remain true.
Speaker 4: And it isn't there a Ham narrative with this as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they uncovering of thy father's nakedness, because that's another
Speaker 2: misunderstood thing. And I talk about that in the book too.
Speaker 2: Uh a lot of people, and like we talked about,
Speaker 2: there's so many things that don't make sense. Yeah, it's confusing.
Speaker 2: But when you start reading these extra biblical books and
Speaker 2: dive deeper into the Hebrew, you get the answers, and
Speaker 2: some of them are strange, some of them are shocking,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god, what, But it makes sense.
Speaker 2: And when you read the literature and go into the Hebrew,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's there. So that was one of those
Speaker 2: confusing things. It's like if I was a kid, had
Speaker 2: been at school all day and I come home. My
Speaker 2: father drunk whiskey until he was pissed drunk and passed
Speaker 2: out naked, and I get off the school bus and
Speaker 2: come home and see him laying there. How is that
Speaker 2: my fault? How am I going to be cursed? That
Speaker 2: ain't right?
Speaker 4: You're gonna be cursed with a bad father?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, But when you get into that story, what
Speaker 2: does it say. It says that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness.
Speaker 2: So when you go into Leviticus chapter eighteen, it says
Speaker 2: there plainly to sleep with thy father's wife is to
Speaker 2: uncover thy father's naked Bible.
Speaker 1: Interpret Bible. Right, let's just yeah.
Speaker 2: And once again you see it repeated. This was an
Speaker 2: active rebellion in the ancient world. Absolute when he run
Speaker 2: David out of the kingdom, first thing he did, he
Speaker 2: pitched a ten on David's house, went into all the
Speaker 2: concubines in the side of all of Israel, Ruben to
Speaker 2: take over the family, slept with his father's concubines. This
Speaker 2: was a active dominance and rebellion in the ancient world.
Speaker 2: Take power Bible, interpreting the Bible.
Speaker 4: Right, And Jordan Peterson did what you're talking about. Jordan
Speaker 4: Peterson did a presentation and say what you will about
Speaker 4: Jordan Peterson, but he actually did a presentation about how
Speaker 4: there is and he did like you know the hyperlinks
Speaker 4: hyperlinks right, there's over or there's sixty seven thousand cross
Speaker 4: references in the Bible. That is mind blowing, that is crazy,
Speaker 4: it's supernatural.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the garments are in that story too. But
Speaker 2: you got to have the eyes to see in the context,
Speaker 2: because in that story, was it say after he uncovers
Speaker 2: his father's nakedness, after he sleeps with his mother, he
Speaker 2: goes outside, And here's me adding to in my interpretation.
Speaker 2: He comes out and tells his brothers, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: dad's a drunk. He's unfit to rule. It's our time
Speaker 2: to rule. I just did this deed. You go in
Speaker 2: and do it, and we'll split the world up amongst
Speaker 2: ourselves and we'll rule. He can't take on all three
Speaker 2: of us. Join me in this rebellion, brothers, and they refuse.
Speaker 2: Now that that's where my interpretation ends. But when you
Speaker 2: get to the Bible, does it say that once he
Speaker 2: uncovered his father's nakedness, that shim takes a garment and
Speaker 2: him and his brother Jacob place it on their backs,
Speaker 2: walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. I said to
Speaker 2: Derek Gilbert on his show, and he's a big brain
Speaker 2: guy and knows this stuff, I said, I can't prove it, Derek,
Speaker 2: I said, but I think that those garments that are
Speaker 2: mentioned there are the supernatural garments from the garden of God,
Speaker 2: I said. And it makes sense theologically, I said, because
Speaker 2: this is the symbol of kingship in priesthood and authority.
Speaker 2: This is the crown symbolically, So if Ham was trying
Speaker 2: to take over the family, take over the authority position,
Speaker 2: how fitting would it be for them to take the
Speaker 2: actual symbol of kingship and authority and place it back
Speaker 2: upon their father refusing the rebellion. And he gets to
Speaker 2: typing on his computer, looking in logos and stuff, and
Speaker 2: he's like, you may be onto something. Justin he said,
Speaker 2: when you go into the Hebrew, he said, doesn't say
Speaker 2: a garment like the English translation say. It says they
Speaker 2: took the garment. I had a definite article assigned to it.
Speaker 2: So there was a pacific garment in mind in that story.
Speaker 2: And how fitting was it that Shim, the eldest brother,
Speaker 2: the one that was going to get the birth right,
Speaker 2: the one that ends up getting that the priesthood position,
Speaker 2: takes the garment and then him and his brother walk
Speaker 2: backwards and place it over their father.
Speaker 1: Right, dude, there's something to the garment, yeah right? Really
Speaker 1: definitely spiritual? Yeah yeah, I mean but there's.
Speaker 4: A physical it's a trail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's both.
Speaker 4: I think something's going So it's like, what is it like?
Speaker 2: Actually in the sixty six book Cannon with with the
Speaker 2: with Joseph, because you follow it, Esau gets it right,
Speaker 2: and then uh, Jacob ends up stealing them because in
Speaker 2: that story where he wraps the goat fur around him,
Speaker 2: that the garments are there too. People look over it.
Speaker 2: Does it say as the final cherry on top? It
Speaker 2: says that Rachel goes into esaus hint and takes his
Speaker 2: special garment and places it upon Jacob.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's like a like a gemstone or something.
Speaker 2: What we were like the priestly ephod you know, the
Speaker 2: tolestones many colors, and then you see it later because
Speaker 2: now Jacob has stolen it from Esau. Right, if you
Speaker 2: follow the cannon, well, who's the son of Jacob whose
Speaker 2: name has later changed to Israel. He has a son
Speaker 2: named Joseph, and does he give him? He gives him
Speaker 2: a coat of many colors maril onyx topaz jasper. That
Speaker 2: would be a multi colored I wonder if.
Speaker 3: God's blessed those gemstones and then they wear those gemstones.
Speaker 1: It's probably power to it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is. And it says in that story
Speaker 2: when as soon as Joseph has given this coat of
Speaker 2: many colors. What happens He starts having prophetic dreams and visions,
Speaker 2: and what does he telling his brothers? He said, brothers,
Speaker 2: I have visions that the sons or the stars of heaven,
Speaker 2: which was the angels the stars of heaven bow down
Speaker 2: before me. The wheat of the field bows before me,
Speaker 2: and you, my brothers, bow before me. You will be
Speaker 2: my servants.
Speaker 1: And didn't like that?
Speaker 2: And what do they do? They send him off? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they says they take the garments from him, or
Speaker 2: at least a peace, because it says they took a
Speaker 2: piece of the garment and dipped it in blood and
Speaker 2: took it back to their father and said, this is
Speaker 2: oz left of your son. You know, a wild beast
Speaker 2: got him. And then we see those garments. I think
Speaker 2: in the Book of Revelation was it saying when when
Speaker 2: Christ returns, he has on a powerful garment that stained
Speaker 2: in blood, just like Joseph's garment was dipped in blood
Speaker 2: with the name on the thigh, the King of Kings
Speaker 2: and Lord of Lords. And he says he rules with
Speaker 2: a rod of iron, that is the garments of power,
Speaker 2: the supernatural garments from the Garden of God, and the
Speaker 2: staff of Yahweh, the Moses staff. It says he rules
Speaker 2: with the rod of Iron. So symbolically, in Revelation, Christ
Speaker 2: returns as to the king of kings, lord of hosts,
Speaker 2: and he has on the supernatural garments from the Garden
Speaker 2: of God and the staff of Yahweh the rod of iron.
Speaker 2: So symbolically, I think it's painting that, you know, the
Speaker 2: real second Adam, the one with kingship, priesthood and dominion,
Speaker 2: is here and he's got all the symbols of authority
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: Dan right, I wonder if it contributed to Satan's pride,
Speaker 1: like having these garments right, It's almost like I believe
Speaker 1: it's Isaiah. Could could be wrong, but it's where you know,
Speaker 1: he basically it is saying he's going to exalt himself
Speaker 1: above the stars of heaven. He's going to basically be bigger,
Speaker 1: better than God. And we know that that's false, but
Speaker 1: it's almost like these garments when he was in that time,
Speaker 1: maybe he was saying it around that timeline there, and
Speaker 1: he felt like he could just take authority, you know,
Speaker 1: and when he's stripped from him, you know, he's super
Speaker 1: pissed off.
Speaker 2: That explains hell of a lot of motive. I explains
Speaker 2: why Satan hates you. The hatred, the thing that he wore,
Speaker 2: that was his symbol of kingship and priesthood and authority.
Speaker 2: This beautiful garment that made him something special was taken
Speaker 2: from him and given to his younger brother that's weaker
Speaker 2: than him, that rolls into pig extrament. According to the
Speaker 2: parable of the prodigal son, that alone would make Satan
Speaker 2: hates you. And that same story in Isaiah, that's Isaiah
Speaker 2: fourteen was to talk about. In that same chapter about Satan,
Speaker 2: it says, you were the most beautiful tree in the garden.
Speaker 2: Your branches went up into the heavens and was more
Speaker 2: beautiful than all the other trees of Eden. And the
Speaker 2: other trees were jealous of your beauty. And was it
Speaker 2: saying Adam and Eve partook of They partook of a
Speaker 2: tree right, and they enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I know, why are people so upset about the serpentcy theory.
Speaker 3: I think there's aday school teacher like it apparently knows
Speaker 3: more than them.
Speaker 1: Oh, it really seems. It really seems to like hit
Speaker 1: people in the gut. At least from when we had
Speaker 1: joy on we talked about it we got a few
Speaker 1: you know, comments back, we got, we got some live
Speaker 1: chat discussion going on, and it seemed like it was
Speaker 1: it's a theory that you know, like should not be discussed,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think there's something to it scripturally,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is is that remove all of
Speaker 2: your preconceived notions, remove all your dogma and your teachings.
Speaker 2: Just read what it says is read what the extra
Speaker 2: Biblical books say, and what does your discernment and common
Speaker 2: sense say. I'm guilty when when I first heard this
Speaker 2: serpent seed, I listened to highly intelligent people like Michael
Speaker 2: Heiser and others that laughed at this theory, said it
Speaker 2: held no water, and they went into you know, uh,
Speaker 2: etymology and etymology, etymologically, this cannot be true, and uh
Speaker 2: if he was of the serpent and it would just
Speaker 2: come right out and say it, it doesn't say it,
Speaker 2: you know, like I talked about earlier, and uh, or
Speaker 2: you know the extra Biblical books that just you know,
Speaker 2: come right out and spell it out for you. Oh
Speaker 2: it was written, you know, the latest ones we have,
Speaker 2: like the Targets of Jonathan. You know, it was like
Speaker 2: six to eight hundred years after the fact, right, so
Speaker 2: therefore it's no and void. Well then if that's the case,
Speaker 2: if that's if that's the way you look at it,
Speaker 2: then you need to throw the entire Bible away. You
Speaker 2: think Moses was writing that in real lifetime. He was
Speaker 2: right about creation and all these other things that happened
Speaker 2: thousands of years later. So if you take that that
Speaker 2: that fallacy point. Oh well, this book was written eight
Speaker 2: hundred years after the fact, so it's no good. Then
Speaker 2: you're gonna throw the whole Bible away down. That's a fallacy,
Speaker 2: and it's a nomenclature. So if you go in there,
Speaker 2: common I mean, just remove it, like I said, remove
Speaker 2: all those filters, all that dogma teachings. I mean it's hard,
Speaker 2: it is, but just read it for what it says
Speaker 2: and use your common sense. Read between the lines. Remember
Speaker 2: proverb says, it's the glory of God to conceal a thing.
Speaker 2: It's the glory of kings to search things out. There's
Speaker 2: so many warnings in the Bible too. You know, kirst
Speaker 2: is a man who adds it takes away from this word.
Speaker 2: Why is the warning there? If it can't be done,
Speaker 2: and if Satan could change and manipulate one thing in
Speaker 2: this text, would it not be to smoke screen his seed. Sure,
Speaker 2: he's placing all of his end time bets on this.
Speaker 2: He's got all cards on the table. The chips are
Speaker 2: in on this bet. It talks about the anti Christ
Speaker 2: and the end times. This is where he's placing all
Speaker 2: of his bets. Of course, he's going to try to
Speaker 2: cloud this and get people to reject it and laugh
Speaker 2: at it because he benefits from it if it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is no serpent syd you know. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you ain't looking at it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: You're not getting in his way of his playing right.
Speaker 1: But when you read that.
Speaker 2: It says that there was this tree and that Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve partook of it, and Isaiah fourteen Satan was
Speaker 2: the most beautiful tree in Eden. His branches were glorious
Speaker 2: and extended into the heavens, and all the other trees
Speaker 2: of Eden were jealous of his beauty. It compares Satan
Speaker 2: to a tree there, and it says that they partook
Speaker 2: of this tree, and it says they ate in English.
Speaker 2: But when you take that word, you look into the Hebrew.
Speaker 2: That same word several times in the Bible is translated
Speaker 2: to enjoys. So if you take that word and put
Speaker 2: it in there, Eve partook of the tree, which Isaiah
Speaker 2: fourteen compared satan to a tree. It says she partook
Speaker 2: of the tree and she enjoyed. Then she goes to
Speaker 2: her husband, and he too enjoyed. The serpent planted his seed.
Speaker 2: And then she took what she learned the act of
Speaker 2: sex and showed it to her husband, and he enjoyed
Speaker 2: it too, and were germinated.
Speaker 1: That day, right, and he did eat right, and he
Speaker 1: did enjoy actual act or something.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she had sex with the serpent. She
Speaker 2: didn't know what sex or cat dog. And then so
Speaker 2: she went back and done it with Adam. Hey, let
Speaker 2: me show you this thing. Somebody just you're gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And it's a real phenomenon that can happen where you know,
Speaker 1: two men can impregnate the same egg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see it all the time. And so then
Speaker 2: you take that context. This is eye for an eye,
Speaker 2: tooth for a tooth. Every single curse that God ever
Speaker 2: gives out correlates to the crime. If your mother told
Speaker 2: you you can't have a cookie before dinner, and you
Speaker 2: sneak up, you grab when you start eating and your
Speaker 2: mother walks in. What are you gonna do? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna cover where the transgression and sin was and
Speaker 2: where the shame is. Inactly scenario, it's the mouth. So
Speaker 2: what happens, God shows up and once they enjoy this
Speaker 2: tree and God shows up, where they do they cover
Speaker 2: their private parts because that's where the sin was, That's
Speaker 2: where the shame was, That's where the transgression was. Now,
Speaker 2: look at the sin and the cursing. All the cursing
Speaker 2: has to do with sexual reproduction. If the sin was
Speaker 2: something they ate, they'd have been cursed with sour stomachs,
Speaker 2: rotten teeth, something that correlated with eating, not sexual reproduction.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: All the cursings was to say, uh, he will increase
Speaker 2: her her pain in child bearing. She would have minstrual
Speaker 2: cramps and periods. He would curse, there would be there
Speaker 2: would be a curse on her seed, there would be
Speaker 2: a curse on the serpent's seed. There would be enity
Speaker 2: between her seed and thy seed.
Speaker 1: Right, that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all common sense logic points to this, right,
Speaker 2: don't get lost in the weeds of oh Edgemonologically, this
Speaker 2: word means just it can't mean that, and throw all
Speaker 2: the smoke screen away usually common sense and you discernment.
Speaker 2: People can, like we talked about earlier, somebody could take
Speaker 2: a verse and twist it and throw all kinds of
Speaker 2: words salad at you and smoke screen and points you
Speaker 2: and get you lost.
Speaker 1: Right, keep it.
Speaker 2: Simple, stupid? Yeah, I love travils Garcia. He says that
Speaker 2: all the time. Kiss keep it self stupid.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I love that.
Speaker 2: And Kine's name adamologically that means acquired. The name is
Speaker 2: so important. I mean, I'm sure all of us are
Speaker 2: fathers here. When we had our kid. That wasn't something
Speaker 2: we just said, Oh I was just name it this. No,
Speaker 2: that's something where we come up with ten twenty different names,
Speaker 2: think it through for months. It's something we choose very
Speaker 2: carefully and with meaning. What loving mother names their kid
Speaker 2: acquired because he was acquired. And then you go to
Speaker 2: Abel's name, mean it means breath why because he was
Speaker 2: made in the image of Adam, because God breathed the
Speaker 2: breath of life into Adam. He was made in the
Speaker 2: image of Adam. Cain was not because Cain was acquired.
Speaker 2: And then you get into the Book of John. He
Speaker 2: comes right out and says it, man, I mean, what
Speaker 2: you know, what else do you want? Cain was of
Speaker 2: the wicked one. And then uh, Jesus has that conversation
Speaker 2: with the Pharisees. You're of your father, the devil who
Speaker 2: was a murderer. From the beginning, he's talking about Cain,
Speaker 2: and most people stop there, keep going, you go back
Speaker 2: and forth. The response of the Pharisees is pretty damning.
Speaker 2: What do they say? Remember this is the context. It's Cain.
Speaker 2: We were not born a foreign acation like Cain was.
Speaker 2: We have but one father. We can debate all day
Speaker 2: long whether it's physically true or not. We cannot debate
Speaker 2: that this was the mind and set and the belief
Speaker 2: of those people. And then you had mentioned earlier Taylor
Speaker 2: the Beguiled and all the sexual connotations to it. Well
Speaker 2: you go, you go to Second Corinthians thirteen was paulse
Speaker 2: He's talking to the Church of corinth and he says,
Speaker 2: I have a righteous jealousy. And this was the paradigm
Speaker 2: buster for me. This was the final nail on the coffin.
Speaker 2: He said, I have a righteous jealousy over you. I
Speaker 2: prepared you as a chast state virgin for one husband.
Speaker 2: But I fear that you will be beguiled boom, as
Speaker 2: Eve was beguiled by that twisting serpent. Both crazy, man,
Speaker 2: You know, how much more do you need? Folks?
Speaker 1: I know, I know it man. You know. You know
Speaker 1: what's very interesting is there's a verse. It's Proverbs thirty twenty,
Speaker 1: and it says, such is the way of an adulterous woman.
Speaker 1: She eateth and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have
Speaker 1: done no wickedness. And so what's interesting is that word
Speaker 1: edith is the same exact word used in Genesis.
Speaker 4: As Proverbs thirty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the same exact verb that's used in
Speaker 1: Genesis pretending to eating the fruit. So we obviously see
Speaker 1: here that it's kind of you know, Proverbs is sharing
Speaker 1: it to be a sexual act, right or can be implied,
Speaker 1: And and you know they're writing it based off of
Speaker 1: what they know in Genesis, right, like they're they're they're
Speaker 1: off that context, how they believe and see it kind
Speaker 1: of like what you're saying, right, And I found that
Speaker 1: interesting as well.
Speaker 4: Hey, Doc, what was that verse you were talking about?
Speaker 4: Just now? With the guiled with John.
Speaker 2: Oh the second Corinthians.
Speaker 4: Oh, second Corinthians.
Speaker 2: Pole's talking to the Church of corinth I think it's
Speaker 2: thirteen second Corinthians. Thirteen. I think I got in the book.
Speaker 2: I have to look to be sure, but I know
Speaker 2: it's six Corinthians.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that's all I need. That's just yeah, fat,
Speaker 4: it's just fat. It's just it's plain his day. It's
Speaker 4: plain his days. Like you said, that was the now
Speaker 4: and the.
Speaker 2: Sexual connotation and everything he said, Yo, he said, I
Speaker 2: have a righteous jealousy over you. I prepared you for
Speaker 2: one husband as a chest state virtue. But I fear
Speaker 2: you will be beguiled as Eve was beguiled by that
Speaker 2: twisting serpent.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's crazy, man, you know. And I really
Speaker 1: think this is what happened. I'm led to believe that
Speaker 1: this is what took place in the garden. It plays
Speaker 1: in with the fallen Angel incursion, that plays in with
Speaker 1: Seating's agenda. It plays in with white Christ had to
Speaker 1: come into the you know, uh seth lineage explains why
Speaker 1: Christ had to die, explains a lot of things.
Speaker 2: And why keep up with the genealogies, why keep up
Speaker 2: with the this one, but got that from this one?
Speaker 2: Got that one? Why remove Kane from those genealogies and
Speaker 2: have two distinct lines in mapping them the whole way?
Speaker 2: If there was not this incident, and if this didn't happen,
Speaker 2: where is the serpent seed? What happened in Genesis six?
Speaker 2: Angel beings come down and lusted after the dollars of men,
Speaker 2: had sex in pro created. This is not out of
Speaker 2: the norm of our of our scripture people. It's hook
Speaker 2: line and sinker script throughout the entire biblical narrative. Why
Speaker 2: reject this and and act this way and get so
Speaker 2: tore up when somebody suggests it and points it out
Speaker 2: because there's some spiritual warfare behind it. That's why they
Speaker 2: don't want you to see this. They don't want you
Speaker 2: to know this.
Speaker 4: The devil.
Speaker 2: He wants this obsuscated and wants you not to look
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, And you know, the fallen angels.
Speaker 1: I feel like they had a meeting or seating had
Speaker 1: a meeting with the fallen angels. It was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I did this in the garden and it dint and
Speaker 1: I'm screwed, and uh, you know, we got to really
Speaker 1: try and screw this up here because you know, he's
Speaker 1: going to crush my head, right, And.
Speaker 2: The Book of Enoch implies it when you read in there,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people look over it, but it
Speaker 2: says in there that the fallen angels became subject to
Speaker 2: the devil. It was his idea. He planted the freaking
Speaker 2: dot in their heads, right, the fallen angels, the watchers
Speaker 2: became subject to the devil.
Speaker 1: Right right. He wants to tarnish the DNA, you know.
Speaker 2: Because he wants his position back. It's it's it's like,
Speaker 2: if I can't have it, I'll burn it down. This
Speaker 2: was once my this was once my place so fast
Speaker 2: I was the king in priesthood and looked over this realm.
Speaker 2: Me and my children had it, and I was the king.
Speaker 2: It was taken from me and given to this lower being.
Speaker 2: I can't have it back, so I'll burn the damn
Speaker 2: thing to the ground.
Speaker 1: Seriously, Seriously, that's what it comes down to, at least
Speaker 1: on a level that we can understand. You know, it's
Speaker 1: probably crazier and greater and oh yeah, way more times, right, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But that's the easiest way that our little
Speaker 2: minds can understand this. Ten d chess game that's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow wow, So we're kind of getting to that
Speaker 1: time doc where I wanted to kind of unless you
Speaker 1: guys got any other questions you want to get with
Speaker 1: him on or I wanted to kind of wrap it
Speaker 1: up towards you know, you're are you filming a documentary?
Speaker 1: Are you still getting into that or Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got several of them. I got two that I've
Speaker 2: got like probably sixty to eighty percent of them done.
Speaker 2: I just have to put it together. And this this weekend,
Speaker 2: me and a group of people are hanging out and
Speaker 2: doing some more filming, and I think that's going to
Speaker 2: be some of the final puzzle pieces for the one
Speaker 2: that I'm working on. Gotcha, but one of them's one
Speaker 2: of them is biblical Bigfoot and I'm kind of tying
Speaker 2: this narrative in and then the other one is on
Speaker 2: the mountains. So I've been going around and getting drone
Speaker 2: footage of the mounds and interviewing people and compiling interviews
Speaker 2: and footage of some of these mounds and stuff.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's going to be a pretty cool one. The
Speaker 1: Serpent Mountains in Ohio or kind of gnarly. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: read into.
Speaker 2: I actually have drone footage. I was kicked out of
Speaker 2: Serpent Maun. I took one for the team, nice and
Speaker 2: signs everywhere no drones, no drones. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: screw screw forgiveness.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know if you guys caught it,
Speaker 1: but you know, the the pope obviously right, he passed away.
Speaker 1: But at his whole ceremony thing, there were guards with
Speaker 1: drone guns like specifically meant for drones, right, and it
Speaker 1: could take them out of the sky boom some sort
Speaker 1: of like emp pulse or something. It disconnects it from
Speaker 1: the user and so it just falls to the ground. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. But so you said that you're
Speaker 1: you're going out, you're getting more film or you're filming more.
Speaker 1: What do you are? You? Is it? Where are you?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: So you're going to the mountains tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I come from there today to talk with you guys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a bunch of us have got together and
Speaker 2: we're we're up in the mountains in an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's awesome.
Speaker 2: So we're we're going out there and going through the woods.
Speaker 2: And I got a buddy that's a big squatch hunter.
Speaker 2: And he's got a place that he's took me to
Speaker 2: this more than one occasion. But he's gotten lots of
Speaker 2: pictures of shadowy figure entities and stuff, lots of really
Speaker 2: big tracks. He's even got some some castings and moldings.
Speaker 2: We're talking footprints with distinct toe prints and twenty two
Speaker 2: inches long, you know, eleven to twelve inches wide. I
Speaker 2: mean that's huge, some big feet prints.
Speaker 1: What's shack walking around in the mark? Yeah, that's funny, man. No,
Speaker 1: that that's cool. So you guys found some some tracks
Speaker 1: or that's been recorded a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Man.
Speaker 1: Have you had any interesting experiences, you know, on big
Speaker 1: foot hunts or anything, or or any type of experience
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've only been on to myself. But the
Speaker 2: guy that's took me out there, he's had quite a few,
Speaker 2: and he's told me which I mean. I've seen the
Speaker 2: tracks and stuff, and I've seen some of the structures
Speaker 2: and the huge trees that look like somebody just snapped
Speaker 2: and jammed into the ground and made x's and some
Speaker 2: crazy stuff like that. Oh wow. But I've seen lots
Speaker 2: of footage and pictures from my friend and it's wild
Speaker 2: at least, It's something I can't explain now, is it?
Speaker 2: The pictures and stuff that I've seen, are they you know,
Speaker 2: like physical flesh and blood my point of view, they
Speaker 2: don't look that way really, but we get prints and stuff. Right,
Speaker 2: you have a distinct silhouette like shadow figure that is
Speaker 2: the perfect outline of what we you know, call a bigfoot,
Speaker 2: and they're usually peeking around big trees and looking at you,
Speaker 2: and it's just just dark silhouette that you make it
Speaker 2: out and they're like, you know, eight foot ten foot tall.
Speaker 2: And he's got numerous videos and pictures of like this
Speaker 2: silhouette shadowy figure like peeking around.
Speaker 4: It, like perfectly peeking around.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got hair come out everywhere, and really tall
Speaker 2: and without fail he says that, you know, he hears
Speaker 2: the clacking and the hoots. Uh, But most of the
Speaker 2: majority of all his images and videos that he's gotten
Speaker 2: is like Scott Carpenter, it's from his back trail cam.
Speaker 2: He has cameras mounted everywhere, carrying one and go pros
Speaker 2: and he always puts one on his back smart and
Speaker 2: he said, in ninety percent of the time, it's not
Speaker 2: till he goes home and he's scrubbing through the foot
Speaker 2: and she's like, whoa, what was that? Creepy backs up
Speaker 2: in the surf, bowing it up. He's like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: it was washing.
Speaker 1: That is crazy, dude, that's crazy, man.
Speaker 2: And that's where it ties into, you know, with my
Speaker 2: theory that I talk about the book. You know, if
Speaker 2: Esau was a serpent seed, and if the Book of
Speaker 2: Enoch is true, their spirits are cursed to wander the earth,
Speaker 2: tormenting mankind and watching us. It says they would hunger
Speaker 2: and thirst and have all these carnal cravings, but they
Speaker 2: can't be you know, you know, sensational or what's it
Speaker 2: called satisfied?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Would it not make sense that these spirits, if they
Speaker 2: could manifest in some way, that they would manifest in
Speaker 2: a familiar form that commanded power and authority, and that
Speaker 2: they once walked around looking like yeah to me, I
Speaker 2: mean it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that because I mean the thing
Speaker 1: that blew me away too, and your book.
Speaker 2: Was those story stories about that I didn't even get
Speaker 2: any It's.
Speaker 1: A perfect time. Let's talk about it real quick, because
Speaker 1: that that story did blow yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this he had this woman that reached out
Speaker 2: and was like, hey, you know you're into bigfoot and
Speaker 2: I've had many experiences with a bigfoot and actually formed
Speaker 2: a relationship with one. If you'd like to hear the story.
Speaker 2: He's like, hell yeah, I like to hear the story.
Speaker 2: And this woman comes on and she ended up coming
Speaker 2: on his show like three times. You can go to
Speaker 2: his podcast, you know, the Bump podcast and dig and
Speaker 2: find these episodes. But he talked to her like three
Speaker 2: or four times. And she said that one day she
Speaker 2: was walking her dog and this was a woman, she
Speaker 2: was just a regular, you know, good old girl. She
Speaker 2: wasn't no Hebrew scholar or even a Christian, so she
Speaker 2: hadn't read the books of the Bible, didn't know any
Speaker 2: of the stuff like we've talked about tonight. And said
Speaker 2: that her dog wouldn't poop unless it was like in
Speaker 2: the woods, like way back behind her house. So she
Speaker 2: said she had a path that she always walked her dog,
Speaker 2: and as she was walking her dogs, she said she
Speaker 2: just felt like something was watching her all the time.
Speaker 2: She heard hoots and knocks and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And she started telling people about it, and they're like, man,
Speaker 2: you probably got a sasquatch back there. You should leave gifts.
Speaker 2: That's what people do. They live food and different things
Speaker 2: and form relationships with these things. And she said, so
Speaker 2: I started leaving food and leaving gifts, and she said,
Speaker 2: I started notsing that they've started disappearing. And she said,
Speaker 2: I had one spot that I always go to and
Speaker 2: leave food and gifts to this thing, she said, and
Speaker 2: it always disappeared, she said, But after a while, she said,
Speaker 2: I got to know them. When i'd go back to
Speaker 2: check or put something else, there'd be gifts left for
Speaker 2: me in the exact same spot. She said, Branches twisted
Speaker 2: together in figures and dead mice and just different things.
Speaker 2: It was gifting me things back, she said. And it
Speaker 2: this went like that for several months. And she said,
Speaker 2: then one day, she said, I heard a voice, and
Speaker 2: she said it wasn't audible. She said, it was in
Speaker 2: my head. It was telepathically talking to me, letting me
Speaker 2: know and thanking me for the gifts, and wanted to
Speaker 2: know if I received my gifts. And she said, when
Speaker 2: I started communicating with this thing, formed a relationship with it.
Speaker 2: She said, after several weeks and months of going out
Speaker 2: in the woods, and telepathically mine, speaking with this thing
Speaker 2: back and forth and gifting with it. She said, it
Speaker 2: started conversating more, and I asked it to reveal itself
Speaker 2: to me, she said, and it was just this huge
Speaker 2: creature covered in hair from head to toe, what we
Speaker 2: would call a bigfoot. And she said, I named him Harry.
Speaker 2: And she said, we just started talking about all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff, and then we start talking about religion and God.
Speaker 2: And it said that it believed in God, that God
Speaker 2: was real and that, but Christianity had it all wrong,
Speaker 2: of course, and it was twisted and manipulated, and uh,
Speaker 2: she needed to read, uh the Gnostic Gospels.
Speaker 1: No way.
Speaker 2: I started listing, you know, these Gnostic Gospels and and
Speaker 2: then she asked, you, well, what what are you? And
Speaker 2: she could even pronounce the word right. She was saying,
Speaker 2: L buoed or L dude is something like that. He
Speaker 2: was an L dude or l l bluobe And uh,
Speaker 2: so Bou started reaching out to Gary Wayne and other
Speaker 2: people you know, and saying, you know, hey, is there
Speaker 2: anything that you've read about you know, big tall creatures
Speaker 2: or humanoid creatures, Harry, creatures named el boob or l lube.
Speaker 2: You know or something like that. And he said, Gary
Speaker 2: Wayne wroting back and he said, I've heard of elie
Speaker 2: Ud And he said, if that's what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: he said, uh, there's many references to the Eliud. He said,
Speaker 2: in the eli youd are the offspring of the nephilum,
Speaker 2: he said, the nephilum or the offspring of angels. But
Speaker 2: the offspring of the nephilum was called the eliud.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2: And so next time he talked to her, he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I talk to somebody and the name was it Eliud?
Speaker 2: He said. As soon as I said it, she perked up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it eli Youd. He and I talked to him
Speaker 2: since we talked last, and he said that he was
Speaker 2: an Eliud and he was sinking redemption.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, dude, can they be redeemed? Those of
Speaker 1: the questions?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then he told her, you know what the
Speaker 2: eliud was, and what the nephilum were, and the fallen angels.
Speaker 2: He said, I explained all that stuff to her, he said.
Speaker 2: I told her, I think you're being deceived, you know,
Speaker 2: I think this is something demonic, it's not something good,
Speaker 2: and it's telling you that the faith is bad and
Speaker 2: then you need to read these gnostic texts. I think
Speaker 2: it's trying to deceive you and leads you astray, he said. Immediately,
Speaker 2: she shut off, become mad, got defensive and said, no,
Speaker 2: Harry is my friend. He's been good to me. He's
Speaker 2: revealed all kinds of things to me and helped me.
Speaker 2: And no, you're just part of that Christianity, narrow minded
Speaker 2: people that Harry talks about. If you're the one deceived
Speaker 2: and I don't want to talk with you anymore, oh wow.
Speaker 2: And she shut off communication. And he's not talked to
Speaker 2: her since. He said he's reached her the last time
Speaker 2: I heard, you know, he had reached out to her
Speaker 2: and tried to check on in on her and talked
Speaker 2: to her and stuff. And as far as my knowledge
Speaker 2: that the last time he reached out, she told him,
Speaker 2: do not contact me anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Harry probably ate her and her dog exactly, beans bro.
Speaker 4: It was Harry crazy.
Speaker 2: How that all dovetails into what we've been talking about today.
Speaker 4: You know, that reminds me of Les Stroud's story. I
Speaker 4: believe Lis Stroud was, you know, he did the whole
Speaker 4: bigfoot thing for a while, and I think Lis Stroud
Speaker 4: was in the woods one day and this this voice
Speaker 4: like telepathically communicated, if you stay, I'll show myself to you.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he said nope, yeah I think he did. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: good for him. I would have too.
Speaker 3: I used to go hunting in Montana in the forest
Speaker 3: for a while when I was a kid. I used
Speaker 3: to go alone a lot of the times, and I
Speaker 3: used to go deep, like a good couple of miles,
Speaker 3: man like, and I just remember, man like, just walking
Speaker 3: I could tell there was normal animals around. There's like
Speaker 3: mountain lions, bears, you know, all sorts of stuff. But
Speaker 3: I just always felt like there was something to watch
Speaker 3: to me. Not every time I went out, but sometimes,
Speaker 3: and I got so creeped out as a kid that
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, let me go home.
Speaker 1: And I just started running home.
Speaker 3: And I never knew why until I started talking about
Speaker 3: this stuff and God showed me this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dang, I wonder.
Speaker 3: If it was really that or if I was just
Speaker 3: tweaking out, you know, like I just now that I know,
Speaker 3: looking back, like what could have been in that force.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, So our world is stranger than fiction.
Speaker 1: It really it is it is. The truth is stranger
Speaker 1: than fiction, right. It's crazy, man, It's crazy. It totally
Speaker 1: is very fascinating topic. Man. We really could sit here
Speaker 1: for another couple of hours just to go into it, man,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you know, but justin thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on, man, thank you for you know, giving us
Speaker 1: your time tonight. Deeply appreciate it. Man, this was an
Speaker 1: awesome one. I wanted to mention one thing too. You know,
Speaker 1: getting into this kind of stuff can be maybe confusing,
Speaker 1: maybe tough for like a new believer, right to kind
Speaker 1: of wrap their head around. So I always kind of
Speaker 1: like to at least for new believers, you know, push
Speaker 1: them in the direction of the Gospels and to kind
Speaker 1: of build them the meat this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, your foundation has to be Christ man.
Speaker 2: You got you know, if you're a new believer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, these these subjects are fascinating, but it's the meat, yeh, Exactly.
Speaker 2: You have to start off on the milk, you know,
Speaker 2: uh know, the Gospel of Christ. Uh know why Christ
Speaker 2: came what he did for you be able to defend
Speaker 2: your faith, why you believe what you believe, Why Christ
Speaker 2: did what he did. That's your foundation stone. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody wants a nice tall skyscraper theologically speaking, you know,
Speaker 2: but if you build that on sand, I don't care
Speaker 2: how beautiful, how tall it is, full of nephelum giants
Speaker 2: and all this cool stuff. The first storm that rolls through,
Speaker 2: it's going to knock you down and lead you down
Speaker 2: a road a deception.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Start with your foundation. Foundation is Christ.
Speaker 1: Amen, Amen. And I love how you ended the book.
Speaker 1: I like how you wrapped it all into salvation and
Speaker 1: you know, God's here knocking at the door man, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I really appreciate really everyone in the community
Speaker 1: for a Christians with podcasts and trying to reach you know,
Speaker 1: the world in a way to spreading the Gospel and
Speaker 1: spreading you know, the message of Christ and all of that. Man.
Speaker 1: And I like how you really just wrapped it all
Speaker 1: up with that point towards it towards uh, you know,
Speaker 1: right there at the end of your book. And it's
Speaker 1: important you know and appreciate what you do.
Speaker 2: Man, I do. I appreciate you guys. Man, this has
Speaker 2: been a great conversation. I think honestly, I could be
Speaker 2: wrong in so if I misspeaking and somebody sees this,
Speaker 2: I apologize. Sometimes I make an ass of myself and assume.
Speaker 2: But I know you've read the book and it shows,
Speaker 2: and I think it's come out in this conversation. That's
Speaker 2: something mean you've talked about privately, you know, something I
Speaker 2: try to pride myself on the guests I have on.
Speaker 2: I try to read their stuff because it comes out
Speaker 2: in the conversations. The conversations are a hundred times better
Speaker 2: and deeper when you know the materials. I've read it,
Speaker 2: and I think it comes through in this conversation. I've
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And you know you've been an inspiration, you know,
Speaker 1: not only to this show, but I'm pretty sure others
Speaker 1: as well. You know, it's a big world out there,
Speaker 1: and you know your show's very respected. It really is.
Speaker 1: You put a lot of work into it, man, and
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Speaker 1: if you want to send one last message out to
Speaker 1: the crowd and share you know where they can find
Speaker 1: all of your work. You know, we'll wrap it up
Speaker 1: and we'll move into an episode.
Speaker 2: Debrief a Hey, yeah, thanks guys, Like I said, uh,
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Speaker 1: an Amazon link for the book book man, but uh,
Speaker 1: appreciate you again, dude, I could. I can't say it enough. Man.
Speaker 1: But Taylor's going to break us out in a little
Speaker 1: prayer here and then we're gonna move over to the
Speaker 1: next segment. Weather.
Speaker 3: God, thank you that we could have this podcast tonight
Speaker 3: and that we could get some wisdom from Doc Brown here.
Speaker 3: And I just thank you that we're able to just
Speaker 3: kind of pick apart everything and kind of put the
Speaker 3: puzzle pieces together of you know, what you're trying to
Speaker 3: tell us and the world and just expose evil.
Speaker 1: For what it is.
Speaker 3: And I just pray that you know we seek you
Speaker 3: of all things, and these honestly last days that we're in,
Speaker 3: and that we will, you know, continue to have wisdom
Speaker 3: discernment and just as we go venture forward and pick
Speaker 3: apart these things and in Jesus Christ. I pray amen.
Speaker 1: Justin. Hope to see you again in the future, folks.
Speaker 1: Doc Brown, everybody go check them out.
Speaker 2: I thank you, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Torches High, guys, man, you know, it's always it's always
Speaker 1: good having Doc on Doc Brown. Everybody, good guy, awesome show,
Speaker 1: awesome YouTube channel, I mean, awesome author. Everything. He's really
Speaker 1: like just he's uh. I feel like he's at the
Speaker 1: point in his life where he's just going hard on
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, the documentaries that that he's got
Speaker 1: in the works. I'd love him to start working on
Speaker 1: a second book, to be honest with you. Maybe get
Speaker 1: into the garments man. Oh yeah, make a book on
Speaker 1: the garments man oh Man. Pretty cool, folks. His YouTube
Speaker 1: is uh in the title and in the description below.
Speaker 1: You can check it out there too. He's got a
Speaker 1: website and all that other stuff. Just check out his
Speaker 1: book in the description below too as well. Man, he
Speaker 1: brought a bunch. You know. His book's just not all
Speaker 1: on Esau. It's kind of like we talked in the episode.
Speaker 1: He built a great foundation. It was something that he
Speaker 1: wanted to do to tie a bow on everything at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, with Esau and to help you
Speaker 1: kind of like understand the perspective that he's coming from.
Speaker 1: You know, what we didn't get into that I'll cover
Speaker 1: is that there's a you know, there's there's science behind
Speaker 1: the big Bigfoot phenomenon, right, Like There's what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is, scientifically, someone can have hair all over
Speaker 1: their body, right, Like, scientifically someone can be a wild man,
Speaker 1: right right, perceived as one. And that is called hyper trichosis,
Speaker 1: where you grow hair out pretty much out of every
Speaker 1: pore and it's congena and it's you know, genetic and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: A mutation they would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the real life wolf man, right, Like
Speaker 1: if you remember cracking, you know, we're two thousand kids, right,
Speaker 1: So I remember always digging into the Guinness World Record books,
Speaker 1: right you flip through the pages a little bit, you'll
Speaker 1: see the most hairrius man in the world or something
Speaker 1: like that. He has this condition, right, And but yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover that that that's a real thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know what, there's that kid that Brian demon
Speaker 4: Erasers was talking about that who has hair all over
Speaker 4: his face and he's like famous right now in India.
Speaker 4: I can't remember his head yet Indian Wolf and Harry Kid. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just want to look him up real quick, share
Speaker 4: that with the YouTube. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see
Speaker 4: Indian Hairy Kid. There he is.
Speaker 1: You know, the wild man thing is kind of trippy too, right,
Speaker 1: You've got culturally and traditionally throughout the world. You've got
Speaker 1: these traditions too that that are played out and these
Speaker 1: bigfoot looking dudes, you know, running around parading trying to
Speaker 1: steal women, right and it it's so mind blowing. You
Speaker 1: got the lau thing too at the end was nuts.
Speaker 1: Huh the l eu oh jeseznuts. Oh there we go.
Speaker 1: We got me on there.
Speaker 4: Can you see me? Can you see it?
Speaker 1: I can see it.
Speaker 4: This is the this is the hairy dude.
Speaker 1: That's the hairy guy.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's the hairy guys like a looks like a
Speaker 4: dog a little.
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't who someone would marry that guy?
Speaker 4: Really? I shouldn't say that's so messed up? No, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean it's got to be. You know, they called
Speaker 4: a mutation, they call it a disorder. It's like it's
Speaker 4: like a genetic part of his lineage that probably just
Speaker 4: peeking through. It's a circus seed bro, I'm just kidding crazy.
Speaker 1: We got into that too a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, coming down to the meanings of
Speaker 1: the words and seeing the correlation between Leviticus, Genesis, Proverbs.
Speaker 1: There's these things that share correlation with what took place
Speaker 1: in the garden, you know, and it really set off
Speaker 1: the seed war. Man. You know, the Bible's clear on
Speaker 1: the generational tree.
Speaker 4: His verses that he hit right there. I was like, man,
Speaker 4: I got to write those down because I've we've skimmed
Speaker 4: through it so many times and it's clear the beguiled
Speaker 4: statement in Corinthians versus Genesis in the garden and the
Speaker 4: Proverbs thirty twenty. I think maybe you brought that up.
Speaker 4: The eating eating the fruit, Yeah, that's dude. It's plain
Speaker 4: to see, like you guys kept.
Speaker 1: Saying the going and then the edith and then gave
Speaker 1: to her husband to eat right, you know, the nakedness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's these words that are play on in such a
Speaker 1: way to where symbolically they're meaning has a certain nature.
Speaker 1: The Bible helps you understand what that nature is, right,
Speaker 1: And I love that. I love kind of how we
Speaker 1: tied that in a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's just so fascinating how these scholars
Speaker 4: and people like Michael Heiser, it just shows it just
Speaker 4: goes to show you how.
Speaker 1: Now they're discriminated. I mean, we're even we're discriminated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like even you know, Doc, it's discriminated, right.
Speaker 4: But it goes to show how how in depth the
Speaker 4: Bible is, how how complicated it is, and how versatile
Speaker 4: it is. Like you really have to a lot.
Speaker 1: Of layers, man, lot of layers.
Speaker 4: Stuck in the intellectual mud or or whatever it is
Speaker 4: that La Mars really.
Speaker 1: Likes to say, or what you know is being taught universally,
Speaker 1: like not universally, but yeah, at universities and stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: like you've got this educational part of Christianity, which you know,
Speaker 1: I have my views on education in general. It's a
Speaker 1: tough thing to kind of discuss because education it looks
Speaker 1: just very similar to how you would create indoctrination camps.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I get that. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: what they're preaching in school is necessarily wrong, but when
Speaker 1: you've got things represented in the school system that appear
Speaker 1: as fact when they're not, Yeah, now I question what
Speaker 1: are we trying to do here?
Speaker 4: What's the agenda are we yeah, are.
Speaker 1: We teaching education or are we teaching a groomed and
Speaker 1: a believing lifestyle and how to believe indoctrination. Absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: very fascinating, very fascinating. I had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: with this episode, man, A lot a lot of fun
Speaker 1: with this fs Oh, man, I really I want to
Speaker 1: try and get a bo Kennedy young.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, that's a cool story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's been on the Confessionals, He's been on a few
Speaker 1: big platforms, and he when he was on the Confessionals,
Speaker 1: he was getting into Elith and uh, you know which
Speaker 1: I kind of to me, I see, this is so funny,
Speaker 1: but this is perfect. I see Lilith as the alien
Speaker 1: queen from the movie Alien. Okay, it's the mother of
Speaker 1: all of the demons, right, the l e U, the
Speaker 1: nepheleam No, kind of like that that that demonic motherly vibe?
Speaker 4: Right, was Lilith Adam's first wife.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what, see, I don't
Speaker 1: I haven't discussed this with anyone, I haven't talked. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about this.
Speaker 4: I heard that and I'm like, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: So when I heard When I hear that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like the Bible implies something different and
Speaker 1: it says something different, So what do you meaning?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that. I'm so confused. When I heard that,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I immediately.
Speaker 1: Take it down because there's got to be something that
Speaker 1: we don't know to make you have those assumptions. So
Speaker 1: very curious, curious, very curious as well. And you know
Speaker 1: this comes from Gary Wayne the Genesis, Uh what do
Speaker 1: they call day six? Male and female humans were different
Speaker 1: than Adam and Eve in the garden.
Speaker 4: I was also confused about that.
Speaker 1: So there's there's this which I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily don't throw out because I think there could be
Speaker 1: something to it as well, because there are some things
Speaker 1: broken down in Genesis that can line up that way.
Speaker 1: So but we didn't. We could have got into that
Speaker 1: with him, But which that would have been an interesting
Speaker 1: topic because I think he even touched on it a
Speaker 1: little bit in his book too, and even in in
Speaker 1: Mesopotamian Sumer writings. You know, it talks about the blackhead people.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And so so if you think about it, when Cain's
Speaker 1: cast it out of the garden, he's he's out with
Speaker 1: the with them or the others or whatever. There's people there, clearly, right,
Speaker 1: this is interpreted by one side getting into these were
Speaker 1: the other kids that Adam and Eve had that the
Speaker 1: Bible doesn't say, by the way, interesting or they're the
Speaker 1: day six right race of people. And you know Cain
Speaker 1: went out and built cities right that he had a lineage.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ancient wisdom there and occult knowledge
Speaker 1: for sure. We know that that's where the snake could brotherhood,
Speaker 1: The snake brotherhood, I'm sorry, came from. We know that
Speaker 1: that's the bowl cull all that stuff. You know that that.
Speaker 1: I think it was a religion where they were doing stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, with the pyramids, the cigarettes, all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. There's this ritualistic sacrifice you know that that
Speaker 1: takes place. It's all weird. It's really weird. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: all comes from Kane. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Doc talks about the mark being a horn and that
Speaker 4: king was hairy as well. It's like, man, dude, the
Speaker 4: story just keeps getting.
Speaker 1: Deeper, and that painting's kind of wild, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: The Sistine Chapel, right, yeah, Assistine is kind of interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to look into that.
Speaker 1: So much fun, man, so much fun. Folks. We appreciate
Speaker 1: you being here. We wanted to give a few shout outs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to give a few shout outs this episode.
Speaker 1: We'll try and do this, you know, every episode. But
Speaker 1: if we forget, forgive us. But yeah, Jesse, you wanted
Speaker 1: to give a shout.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'll give a shout out to this guy. I
Speaker 4: saw him on he commented on Spotify. So and I
Speaker 4: hope he left a five star review. If he didn't,
Speaker 4: how dare he? No, I'm just kidding, but I still
Speaker 4: have time. He commented on Spotify on number thirty six,
Speaker 4: the Demon Erasers episode, and he said his name is
Speaker 4: shout out to alex At. He said, he said, this
Speaker 4: episode really hit me, fellas I've been in the process
Speaker 4: of fully getting my life in line with God, really
Speaker 4: reaching out after being lukewarm all my life. Thanks for
Speaker 4: the podcast, So shout out to alex At. I hope
Speaker 4: you find some inspiration to get closer to God through
Speaker 4: the podcast. That's awesome. That's how kind of what's going
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