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Welcome to the Kay Mesticides podcast. This is the podcast
where we decide everything about the world of games so
you don't have to think for yourself. I'm your host,
Mike MANAUGHTI with me.
Speaker 2: Is Don Turbo Shawn McDowell.
Speaker 1: On today's show, Microsoft fires about half of id's software
UBI Software awards assass to create black Flag recinct des
by firing them, and uh, we'll cheer you all up
with the hat. If we can't what that we still
have We still have that had everyone? Uh Sean, I
bet I think you're like me. Look, I've been covering
for uh grab this week. You've been covering for jan
I think we're both a bit tired, a.
Speaker 2: Little tired, like look any other week, No problem, no
problem at all. Honestly, I'm I'm used to like helping
out enough and I'm basically just doing my usual stuff
plus video. This was a hell of a week to
have to fill in for people.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that is exactly right. So I'm definitely I'm
looking forward to the weekend. Maybe I'll maybe I'll get
outside that might be nice grass before a walk. Or
something like that. Yeah, grass, grass is neat. That's kind
of a neat thing.
Speaker 2: Huh, that's nice sometimes, you know, just like sometimes sometimes
you sit down at the Parker's Iron and just like
it's pleasant. I like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a barefoot grass guy. I don't really like
that feel, but I like do some flippy floppias. Ye,
I'm not much of it. I'm not much of a
barefoot guy in general. I gotta be on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, in my own home, I got carpets, so
it's like, yeah, it feels kind of nice. At the
end of the day. I'm a night shower person, so like, yeah,
the shower and it's like this feels.
Speaker 1: See, I'm a morning shower person, so I kind of
like have Dan feed early on. And I got some
hardwood floors here and there, so I just you're not
set up for it.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: And I don't have this Christians saying I'm a fake
token fan. I've got the I got the hair on
the feet, trust me. There, I'm good on that front.
Oh God, there goes chat. Everyone's always anti carpet Sean
and I I just don't feel that way. I like
carpet just fine. I gotta be here.
Speaker 2: I don't choose on my apartment has y'all.
Speaker 1: That's also true. Yeah, if you're an apartment yeah, especially
in like yeah, the Midwest. Uh, you probably have there exactly.
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the way, when I tried earlier, I tried to turn
on that virtual game for you, and it automatically launched
AVerMedia stuff whatever. Diavermedia software for whatever reason, always crashes
my computer. That's why I never turned it on, and
I have like uninstalled it, and I've read installed it
and I've done all that, and the AVerMedia software is
just but it is terrible and it always crashes my
computer for some hawful reason.
Speaker 2: So awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, well we're back, all right, Well hey, well
whatever outside abut probably not important. Go to patreon dot
com slash game mess All right, okay, let's just get
into it. Uh I guess if this is the only
place where you get your video news. Somehow, Xbox laying
off a lot of people under moving studios around, and
cutting teams. One of the big ones happened at ID Software,
where they're laying off like more than half of the
staff there. It's pretty wild. They got a lot of
people gone from the tech side, people who work on
you know, id tech, which is the engine that the
Doom games use. The team is so small that some
are worried that they're just going to be relegated to
a support studio, or if they make a new game,
it's going to have to be on Unreal engine, which
is just disgusting. Right, I remember, the whole Unreal only
exists because they wanted to have a quake clone over there, right,
Like that's the whole thing, and now I try to
pitch some other games, including a Perfect Dark project of
their own, a multiplayer Doom, some original ideas. None of
those were picked up, But I don't know, Sean, how
are you feeling about the future of the ID right
now and just the state of things?
Speaker 2: Bad? Real bad, Mikey, Yeah, I think we've sort of
gotten our anger out another podcasts, so tonight we can
maybe a little more anelical and break down some of
this stuff. But yeah, just first of all, I'm a
huge fan of ID and like everything I've done, I
love Doom. I'm a big Doom fan, grew up with it,
and I love the twenty sixteen trilogy at this point,
and those games are phenomenal. They're all very very good games.
And the legacy of Doom and even our stuff like
Quake and Wolfenstein everything, it's so important the gaming in general,
and that's why this is just such a boneheaded move
where the optics are terrible, Like the layoffs in particular,
We'll start with that. The layoffs are just it looks bad.
It looks like he don't know what you're talking about.
You don't know what you're doing when you lay off
so many company, so many people at company that's so
important like this. You know, Jeff has talked about this
following up other people's reporting, and he's reiterated that, Yeah,
people within Microsoft, within Xbox are saying this doesn't make sense.
The cuts that they are making don't make sense when
you make cuts, you know, Like I hate to say it,
but it is like artists, musicians, like even like pr
people and stuff like that. You know, the people where
you can outsource that kind of thing. You don't fire engineers,
you don't fire the you don't lay off the people
who make the game run, because Unreal does not solve
everyone's problem. The reason that id tech is so cool
is that it's an engine that does what they need
to do duper efficiently. It's super portable. It's how I
got Doom twenty sixteen running us which one and now
like all of their games can be everywhere. It's great
for what they need to do. They built a tool
that's so cool. So yeah, I guess moving into more
of the technical side and the fact that this is
a bonehead move of like moving the studio to whoever's
left to Unreal, you don't do that because Unreal, frankly
is not a particularly good engine. It's it's a jack
of all trades, it's a master of none. People just
use Unreal because it's accessible. You know, it became an
industry standard because it can be used for so many things.
But like the best developers in Unreal, like I think
of fighting games for example, where nether realm uses their
heavily modified version to make a super photo realistic graphics,
and the opposite side, our system works use a heavily
modified version to make their games look basically two D
like anime and stuff like. They've heavily customized it to
suit their needs. But even that is like not using
the tools out of the box, because unreally is a
versatile engine. It's not like a super well optimized engine
that's going to run a shooter super well. Like we
we've seen so many instances of Unreal struggling to run
games like open world games and uh, larger RPGs and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The Oblivion remake, right and just games are just Unreal
games are just often incredibly heavy. They they feel they
look nice, and they feel heavy.
Speaker 2: And on like on PC where you know, the shader
compilation issue is a problem because they can't ship with
shaders like you can on console that's all packaged together.
You need to compile the shaders. You know, there's the
stutter struggle like Alex always talks about over a digital foundry,
Like the stutter issue is real with unreal. You don't
get that with intech. And that's why the Doom games
feel so good is because they made an engine that's
really good for that. It's like there's other engines like that,
like the are engine for example, that is really good
at doing as in Evil games that's sort of like
more enclosed area a type of thing, or like you know,
anything that they may do in the future with Devil
May Cry and everything like that, because well I believe
dmc FI was RI engine, but it was yeah that
they I mean, nothing else that looked that way. I
was just like it is, yeah, But the point is
like Street Fighters six also like you know on ari
E engine, like because they have custom Man engine that's
great for small scale stuff and we saw what happens
when you try to repurpose it moss arounder wilds ran
like as like these custom tools do a great job
of laying studio do what they're good at. That's why
it is so good. What they do they make shooters,
the Man engine, that's really good. Any fishing with shooters,
and to throw that all away is so shortsighted. And
it just goes to show that, yes, the people at
the top do not know what they are doing.
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out how this how they even think
this is okay. I wonder like somebody just like, well,
we don't need a you know, we love what when
they make games? That's nice, but why are we making
this engine? Don't they know about unreal is it? That is?
It did Doom the Dark Ages maybe miss internally a
little bit. And boy, even if that's the case, that's
one game and it's not like some of them where
like the games come out so infrequently, right every five years,
that's pretty speedy in this industry. Surely you can let
them have maybe one social one. We say this all
the time. It's pretty hard these days to do a
trilogy anymore. You kind of you do sort of. There
is a fall off after that second game these days.
Oh well, okay, get that team with it tech, make
a new quake, or make one of these new games
they were pitching. Let them do the perfect. There are
so many other FPS franchises that Microsoft owns that are
so freaking dormant, and they're whining all the time about
how they have to focus on their big ips. Well
do in a lot of these other ones absolutely should
be that then just aside from all that, it is
just it is so storied, it is so important. It
is just disgusting to treat them like this.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly what And we've said elsewhere too. I think
maybe even I've said this on this podcast in the past
few weeks, like what does focus they on core franchises
even mean at this point? Like what are they talking
about just nothing but Halo and Forts and Gears? Is
that what they mean? Like what could they possibly mean?
Are they talking to just Call of Duty and Minecraft? Because
based on the way at they're handling the situation kind
of feels like they might be, especially when I'm you know,
like Daccio looks at a fucking spreadsheet and like, you know,
this is hypotheticals, but like talking to Asha and saying like, well,
you know what you have to do here, there's our
some of our franchises do really good. And they say
our franchises as you know, Minecraft and Call of Duty, Right,
because that's the stuff they own.
Speaker 1: Like I think maybe focusing on major franchises means making
obsidi and cancel all their other projects and developments so
they can make the new fallout instead. And that's the
reporting going out now.
Speaker 3: Before you continue with that, the Mike she's this happens
like an hour ago, like an hour and a half ago,
were like, d I.
Speaker 1: Know, is the Federal Reserve thing he's talking about?
Speaker 2: That? Yes?
Speaker 3: After like she fired all these people, all these people
attle and she got rewarded with a big fat federal.
Speaker 2: You know contract.
Speaker 1: So she's been named an advisor to the US Federal
Reserve on Jobs and Product Activity, where she is, among
other things, is going to be assessing the impact that
AI is going to have on the economy, which you know,
she's got no vested interest in AI. She just knows Microsoft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it goes beyond that. He was
the president of their core AI division exactly. That's why
she when I when I saw this happen, when I
saw that she was who was taking over Xbox, I'm like,
oh God, of course the hatchet man they send in
is the person who doesn't care about human lives at all.
He thinks that the machine is gonna be able to
do everything. Fucking this is where we are now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I is gonna make the edge in about five years. Anyway,
it's as stupid and we have engineers that's insane. That
conversation might have happened. It's not. It's not insane to
think that conversation, oh man, have happened.
Speaker 2: You know where it happened at Epic because that's what
unreal engine six five point three plus vibe coding. That's
literally what Unreal Engine six as they're calling it is.
Of course, that's why they're switching unreal.
Speaker 1: I bet that Asha Sharma was listening to Tim Sweeney
talk about that fool. She would be nodding a long,
big smile on her face. Isn't she gonna be busy
being the CEO of Xbox like the other people into
sport I think are like professors and whatnot. Uh, she's
got she's got a pretty big job right now.
Speaker 3: She got she got all these agents that to help
her to assist her on her It's a really poor job.
Speaker 1: Asking gotta wake up every morning and ask the fucking
Microsoft AI whatever the hell it's co pilot. She's gotta
talk to co what she needs to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Sachia, by his own admission, does, like
that's how he runs the companies. He asked co pilot
how to do things. It's like, oh my god, these
people have brain worms. This is insane. Like I feel, Mike,
We're talking about real things that are happening, and I
feel like a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, yeah, sound insane
when the words come out of my mouth. But these
are all just things that happened.
Speaker 1: These are so waitingly obvious.
Speaker 3: What they do. They move with the They move like
the wall's not gonna like like you know, they like
we are going to forget that this is happening, right,
They move with such a like wilderness. You know, it's
disgusting its people. He is not left versus righting his
bottom versus top, and they're fucking winning. They're fucking us.
Come on, y'all, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: All right? So yeah, and making fall, which like, yes,
that makes that makes sense that it always had to
happen at some point. It rites because of course they
were never ever going to actually be okay with waiting
until Funny thirty five for the next Fallout game to
come out. I suppose, uh, but of course they had
to wait and do it in the way that feels
like punishment to Obsidian the most an Obsidian is the
one is the company that has been producing most for
Xbox across a wide variety of games, neat things like Pentiment,
more life service things like you know, a Grounded or
you know, more multiplayer things, and of course the big
single player games like a vowed like Outer Worlds do boy.
I could see them just because just I could see
them just being the Fault studio, and I can see
Bethesa just being the Outer Scrolls studio and probably like
not much else happening over there.
Speaker 2: You know. I was thinking about this the r day
before the layoffs happened, and we knew that the layoffs
were incoming. I was thinking to myself, the two most
consistent studios for Microsoft in the past decade or so,
ID and Obsidian, right, and I was like, they better
not fucking touch these studios, and what do we have?
They gutted it and now they're trying to like you know,
pilot Obsidian now, and just I yes, this is something
that where if Obsidian wanted to do it they always
should have because yes, they made the best fallout, so
it always made sense that under Microsoft they should have
been led over in that direction. I forget there was
something there of like and now I want misquote Jeff,
but I thought he's talked a long time ago about
there's like some kind of like little I don't know
about these guys like Bethes though we're fall I know
they made that one, but like, I forget what that
story was a long time ago, but there's something there,
and it's just like, yes, eventually they should have been
led back to it because people love that fallout and
it's just I, yeah, to forgive me for not having
a ton of faith in them being told what to
do at this point, just I don't know. Something about
it thinks a little bit to me. Hopefully there's a
positive outcome at the end of it, but it's just
I'm a little apprehensive at this point, right, And.
Speaker 1: There's like that there's a part of me that's like
I am a little bit of that A vowed in
Outer Worlds two kind of didn't find larger audiences. Well
that's on Microsoft, but I did you know, I saw
people say things like, oh, outer world two just doesn't
have the sauce, and I play it, I'm like, I
think it's got plenty of sauce, guys, ouch wor sauce
do we need? So? I mean that's the other part
of it, right, is that it could be hard anymore
to make the game that is going to make everybody happy.
And even if you make a game that it looks
like Fallout plays like Fallout and it's made by people
who have made a Fallout, that is still not as
good as a New Fallout for most people. Right, Yeah,
that's kind of sad reality of it.
Speaker 2: I am with you though, Like now, granted I'm not
a big Fallout fan, but I did like New Vegas.
I did play that. I did pass the controller with
a friend back when I first came out when we
were in high school, and we stayed up all night
playing and it was very fun. And so when the
first Outer Worlds came out, I really enjoyed that one. Like,
despite not being into this style of RPG, Western rpg
is like usually not my thing. I'm not to Bethesda
bgs's game specifically, and I really clicked with the first one.
I just I have not played the Outer Worlds too
because it's been crazy, NonStop flurry of games. When I
am playing a modern trip play game, I just have
so many hard things to play. I do want to
go back and play too, because it it seems like, yeah,
they kind of just did in was pretty good. I
don't know, it's it's concerning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty weird. I mean, you know, again, we're
this weird era where all all all these games, even
games that like, you know, I can't imagine it was
the biggest project in the world out of World two.
But everything has to sell so many copies like how
it's only how it was where there were yeah, a
lot more, a lot more games, but for game to
be a hit, it would have to sell a million copies,
like a million, and that would be really good. Not
like that any more. Uh, all right, So besides this
clear Black Flagracinct came out got pretty good reviews. It's
like it's at an eighty six and open credit. I
know there was some Steam review unhappiness for a bit
there because of the pretty uh lame d o C
that's in.
Speaker 2: The game player skins or something like that.
Speaker 1: Run a lot of stuff. Even that that was like
it was that negative seam reviews that mostly positive right now,
So I don't you know that the initial blowback was there.
I'm not saying it's dying down, but that that was
part of things. But people think they seem to think
the game is is good. Uh well, UBISA Barcelona, who
made this game, is still stuffering some layoffs. Tom Henderson
and Inside Gaming reported this The fifty one employees that
Ubi SA Barcelona, many who worked on the game, will
be celebrating slashed by seeking new employment. Apparently that these
last four announced on June tenth. They just didn't give
these a lot of the team kind of a new assignments,
which is crazy to me because there, how do you
just not immediately put that team on another Assassin's Creed remake.
This is the first like remake remaster, like a fancy
one of these. They remastered thesas Creed two trojy badly
right and and so like that probably did whatever it did.
But you could go back and give Assassin's Creed two brotherhood,
those two are beloved, give them a face list like this,
people would get very excited. I think even if you
want to Syndicate, which is one that people talk about
liking a lot and did a similar thing that would
do pretty well. Maybe even reposition Unity right, like hey,
Unity at Bugs when it launched eventually better now not
right now, And it's great. So there's so many other
Assassin Creek, even one. I think I would be excited
for a remake of one I like uside of the
creat one. I don't care anyone said so that would
be good. So the fact that you're just going to
downsize this studio for no reason instead of just immediately
putting them up, maybe they are being put on that
next one, except with not enough staff, and it's gonna
be harder, it's gonna take longer, and they're gonna have
low morale. I don't know what the hell they're thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did I black out at some point? Why are
they being laid off?
Speaker 1: But I think it's just the usual, Well that project's done,
we're gonna do some downsizing. It's that old mentality that
I think Ubisoft is still kind of believes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah that checks out, It sure checks out. Yeah, because
but yeah, by all all accounts, you know, this is
maybe it didn't blow everyone away, but seems really good, Like, yeah,
this is if you want if you want a updated
version of Black Flag to revisit like this is the one,
right and they did a good job of that. So,
like you said, it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't
best be put on another game, new Assassin's Creed something,
because if where are we at with gaming right now?
In this game industry, it's like God, it's what. It's
a fucking meme from like Parks and recor or whatever
of like, you know, make a bad video game fire,
make a good video fired.
Speaker 1: Also believe or not?
Speaker 2: Also fired? Yes, maybe Fortnite Believe it or not also fired.
I just I don't know. Yeah, it contributes to the
downward spiral. Help it like it's a little hard to
find the light in the Triple A space. At least,
you know, all the other spaces are doing prey well
right now, like indies are thriving, like Double A seems
to be finding a foothold. But man, everything is so
weird in the Triple A space. Because it's why I
keep saying, it's corporations keep fucking people over and it's
so tiring of just it can only be narrow minded,
shortsighted executives not getting it. And I don't know how
at this point, they continue to not get it. I
don't understand, Like I can only assume it's because someone
incompetent appoints someone incompetent and that's how like you're not
to dwell on the Xbox news too much. But I
was also thinking today of like the fact that I
was Asha taking this new uh, territating this position, you know,
following up Phil like if it was anyone else, and
like I'm not even I'm not even saying like these
people are good fits because like they're not necessarily qualified
per se, but someone like a Todd Howard or a
Pete Heines or something, you know, someone who is in
there making games and runs a studio. But instead getting
someone who's just you know, quote unquote good at business
to make these decisions. Said, it feels like that's how
we get stuff with these Ubi Soft layoffs and stuff
with the Xbox layoffs, just like trying to keep the
business going in a way that is good for business
according to them, and just not understanding that employee retention
is so important to making good video games. It's like
we always run it back to Nintendo doesn't really fire people.
They've had their issues over the years with contractors, sure,
but they don't necessarily like have mass layoffs in this
way because they just move people to other projects. Hey
you're an artist, Well you are an artist on this project,
and we need an artist on this project. So guess
what you're doing art for that game, and like that's
that's how it works. You just keep that talent going.
And somehow these executives, especially at Western companies, for whatever reason,
just don't seem to understand that.
Speaker 1: It feels like I have been spending most of my
career in games media watching Ubisoft through baffling and stupid things. Yeah,
somehow still around, which I mean part mees like oh good,
because like boy they have they have some time to
people that work there, and they can make some cool
games sometimes. But god, the management there has just been
awful for what feels like forever. Ah, all right, let's
take a break. I'm sure we'll have some more things
that we can talk about. Relays wells in the super
chats wherever people want to talk about. We'll see what's
going on super chats. So then we've got the hat
still calming up. Everybody hear it? Back after this break?
All right, we're back. I just remembered I had to
do that now, all right, Seaw, would you please read
the super chats.
Speaker 2: From Rob Foster Cosgrove. Hi Fi Rush is a rhythm game.
Just as for Mikey than.
Speaker 1: What look, I mean, look, I would have accepted the
judgment either way. Right, It's okay, Look I won, It's fine, whatever,
It's all right, not to be.
Speaker 2: You really did? You really did across platforms like Blue
Sky was very much in your favor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh really, hell yeah. Although book Guy always with
Blue Guy. Whenever we do the toys, people always say
absolutely Team A or absolutely Team B. I'm like, oh guy,
I think it's kind of close, guys, right, but again
I think they find like the one of these games.
Speaker 2: I think it's basically boils down to Like with rhythm games,
you really have the divide between normies and like the
sickos like me and the normies are all just I
play I play Guitar Hero. I'm picking the guitar hero
on any of the sikos like me were like, oh,
you know, the other list actually has some really good
deep cuts and like all Elite beat A just really
rips so plenty of people, you know, the more sicko
types picked B but yeah, I think you got like
by the numbers more on your side.
Speaker 1: I think Big Mania did more for me than maybe.
I gave it a credit for that one up.
Speaker 2: Well surprised by that, but definitely exactly Missouri Matt. Thank you,
Sean and Mike for the content tonight. Yeah. I send
these before the show starts in case I fall asleep
or get distracted. You still gotta get paid. We thank
you as always Missouri Matt and I. Yes you must
have been following along. Congratulations on getting right this time.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 1: This is a rare three peet for Sean on game
Mess besides buy there, but let's give it up about
a hand for Sean.
Speaker 2: Getting you guys out here. Thank you, Thank you okay.
Next is from Zombie Porin Great job Mike and Sean
for filling in this week over at Giant Bomb. Did
Mike buy a Chinese handheld and does Sean smoke now
or is that just a Grubb and Jam thing.
Speaker 1: I did not buy any Chinese handhelds no, and.
Speaker 2: I did not smoke tobacco this week.
Speaker 1: Not that that there you go.
Speaker 3: I did accidentally, but I did.
Speaker 2: What the fuck you mean accidentally? Hang on?
Speaker 1: I think it was a joint and it was no
the background instead? What No?
Speaker 3: I was just grabbing and was like, I didn't realize
I put it in on. Is it is it?
Speaker 1: My mo oops, I'm lighting it. It is it is?
Speaker 3: It is a I used to I smoke for like
ten years in a row and then I cut out,
So I see.
Speaker 1: I just realized and was like, give a little whatever, get
it again. It happens, okay. Uh.
Speaker 2: Next up is from Laser Wolf. I didn't think Mike
knew about his Thursday night podcast anymore. Maybe he doesn't
hate me.
Speaker 1: Wow, I did. Look, I felt bad. It was a
couple of thursdays ago. That's my trip and last Thursday
my friend was in the town was like, I really
want to go to a baseball game, and I'm like, oh, okay,
I think I can. There's a game on Thursday. I
felt bad missing this. I'll tell you what. That was
a great game. There's a walk off home run when
we had a good time. It was hot, but uh,
it was a nice time. And look now now covering
this week, I don't feel bad about it anymore. It's
all right.
Speaker 2: I haven't been to a baseball game forever. Like when
when I for the year and a half I went
to school in Milwaukee, I would go Brewers games all
the time, go to thee get the Uker seats for
like a dollar a pop, and go on the day
days where they had cheap snacks. It would be like
two dollars brats. Like great thing for a college kid.
Speaker 1: I visited uh where they play when I was in Milwaukee.
It wasn't a game or anything, but we kind of
just like went there and there was like a little
museum section that was open that we could walk around
something like that. It was neat. Im. That's good. That's
gonna be one of my old man things. I'm gonna
do the whole I'm gonna go to every brish ball
for a year old in a road trip with my brothers.
You know, one of those things will be fun.
Speaker 2: That'd be a nice thing to do. Yeah, Like, because
baseball is such a casual like chill out, just hang
out with people. It's you know, you know, I think
you're you're with me, honestly know. People call it boring
and every thing, but it's like it's kind of like
I think watching baseball is kind of like a golf
type of situation where like, you know, yeah, it's not
always high octane action, but then cool stuff happens and
you're there to like to chat with your friends in
between innings and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I yeah,
the vibe is fun that you can both. It's a
game where you can somehow pay attention and kind of
hang out with your friends at the same time. It
is possible to do both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus, we do. We do have a minor league
club here in Green Bay, but it's not the same
as going to It's fun. Sorry it wasn't now, am fam.
I still want to call Miller Park because Miller Park rolls
off the tongue. So well, okay, so that was it
from the previous video. Yep, yep, yep. Okay, So then
now onto the current ones. Antonio Morales, thanks for calling
you loutube every day this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're well, that's my thing, now, grub, that's these things.
My thing is that it's loutube.
Speaker 2: You know what? It hits. I like it. I like it.
It gets uh the dubious food. Am I wrong for
questioning that the id gut could have been motivated motivated
by their recent unionization.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, oh, I mean where even layoffs at? But says
the who they desperately need to make oudor scrolls six
or was that many?
Speaker 2: As?
Speaker 1: That is it of course, but but that's a they have.
They have a union as well. Yeah, I won't put
anything past them.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, companies hate unions. It's as simple as that.
We say that. Sorry, alleged union busting at certain companies
all the time. Uh, James Pies. I'm currently wrapping up
Persona five Strikers and am pleasantly surprised with how Persona
it turned out to be. Have either of you checked
it out? I have, but have you? Mike? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I played through the whole thing and I was also
I started like, okay, USO spin off. I was like, oh,
this is just an action RPG with some Musso eiment elements,
and this is kind of just Persona five two. I
like the Strikers quite a lot.
Speaker 2: Actually, I will say, yeah, so I like Strikers quite
a bit as well. But it definitely is a muso game.
But it's like, I think some people don't realize how
broad that definition has become. Because the Dynasty Warriors games
themselves are still very much like boards and hordes of enemies.
They just mow down by kind of bun mashing and
then with cool combos that end in like cool supers.
But the spinoff ones, like the High Rule Warriors ones
have become that's like, that's what PERSONAFI Strikers is. So like,
that's why me and Grubb talked about a little bit
but uh age of imprisonment from last year High Roll
Warriors a similar situation where it is a little more focus,
is a little more of an action RPG, just with
like the hordes of Enemies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I only played the first one and that
I guess what, like the musso thing like I think
of is the general game structure of you're on this
big map, there's kind of these defend points, and you're
just kind of running around a map to this point
than that point. The first Higher Warriors was that right,
and then Strikers wasn't, And maybe sounds like some of
the later High Rewarriors weren't really maybe doing an if
you stop.
Speaker 2: And think about Strikers is in the in the Palace
missions it is for sure because you still have to
like but instead of being hold control point, then hold
control point. It's go to point to like get to
the tower and like right something. So it's the same concept.
It's just like the order of operations is different, and
it's the same thing the Zelda ones, where it's like
it's less about holding a point and more about like,
you know, this is a war, we need to advance
the enemy, so it'll be like take this point, then
take this point, then take this point. So yeah, they're
they're fun though, Like I actually do like the spinoff
Musso still not fant Dnasty Warriors, but like, yeah, PERSONI
FI Strikers and stuff, very good from Laosian. Can you
explain how five hundred million dollars a month still doesn't
make money? Now?
Speaker 1: What is that exactly reference or referencing?
Speaker 2: I would assume game pass, second pass.
Speaker 1: I mean the problem if it's game passed, the.
Speaker 2: Partition has a follow up that says, what was it
August twenty twenty three gameplay was seventeen dollars a month
with thirty plus million users, so I pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the issue is that they projected
a lot more, right, That's what their their issue is
over there. So it's this weird spot in corporate in
the way it goes with the corporate business world we
have where it doesn't it's not good enough. It's what
your projections were and what you were kind of hoping
for for your shareholders. Now are in this spot where
it's not to be nere as much as they thought,
but also making enough that they're not gonna stop doing it, right,
They're not just gonna get rid of game Pass that
it brings in all this revenue. It sucks. That should
be good enough, and somehow like it's never part of
the equation for people like it that well dooming the
dark ages that was good for game pass, right, they
don't care anymore if its good for game Pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I mentioned this on some show recently,
but remember the news that we heard that when Xbox
talked about the profitability of game Pass, they did not
factor in running the studios, Like that number is held
against the studios. It's not like subtracted from the profit
of game Pass. And so they're they're doing like some
weird napkin math over there on Microsoft like divisionally. I
think I mentioned this on the show as well, but
like that that chart of like you know, organizational structure
differences and how it's like Apple is everything connected into
the center, and then like Amazon is like sort of
like a bracket, like a tournament bracket from top to bottom,
and Microsoft is a bunch of pods all like Mexicans
standoff pointing guns at each other. Like that's the structure
of Microsoft is like every every freaking sub organization, every division.
That's the way I'm looking for is sort of like
at odds with each other. So that's how you get
weird situations like this, and like, okay, so how we're
running all these studios that we bought, so we had
to pay all these people, and that's eating into the
profitability and they want the profitability to be huge. That's
how I end up seeing layoffs because like, you know,
these games aren't selling as much as they use to it.
They still do sell, but it's like game pass exists
as the way that most people get those games, and
so you know, think about how many millions and millions
of people would buy a game at sixty dollars and
now instead those millions and millions of people are basically
getting that game that month for about fifteen to twenty
five dollars instead. Basically, so Yeah, it's whack. Next is
from shtaggy Crow. For my part, both the Outer Worlds
and Avowed did feel too small and scaled to what
a Fallout slash Elder Scrolls does. I want the exploration
of one big map.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, I think that point has become
clear that that is what a lot of people are
looking for. And you know, I think I think that's
a big reason why Crimson Desert was a big hit
and why a lot of people are willing to look
over a lot of its flaws is because it definitely
delivered that it has the really big map you can't explore,
and we don't We don't see a lot of that
very often, and people are absolutely going to expect that
from Elder Scroll six and this new Fallout game. Boy,
you're you're starting on that Fallout game that has to
have the very big map and all of the RPG options.
You're starting on that today. But when are we gonna
see that come out? That's gonna take a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's wild how the type of game that like
Bethesda is known for is now like the unsustainable type
of vame. It's so difficult to make that kind of
game that bass.
Speaker 1: So wild to think about, like how quickly like Elder
Scrolls three four, Fallout three, Skyrim then Fall four, How
like those all came out so relatively close to each
other and then just immediately we hit the wall. It's like, now,
wait a really long time for Starfield and then god
knows when the next game is after that.
Speaker 2: And like, you know, not to mention the fact that, like,
look at Starfield, there's a lot of empty spaces in
that game. Another do whereas you know, the people at
least think about say a Skyrim of like sure there's
travel time, but you'll just like find these little things
to do side quest along the way, like when you
go to towns and stuff like that. It feels like
it's just more difficult than ever to do that kind
of thing. Unfortunately, Zombie Porin is back. What do the
next sixteen hundred layoffs look like for Xbox? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the fun part. We don't know, right, And
it's a strange thing because for some of these studios
like it, they weren't approached about like, hey, you guys
like want to you know, go independent or find a
new buyer. It was just surprise, here's the layoffs may
have preferred those options. So yeah, it's for all these
other companies. It is kind of scary about well, that's
sixteen hundred, so a lot more people you're gonna have
to lay off. Where the hell is that happening at
And it's hard to imagine that anybody's safe, including coalition
uh whatever. Three four three is called down the people
who make it's just the Halo studio something.
Speaker 2: Where like that Halo Studios.
Speaker 1: I believe Halo Studios get parties like yeah, you know
what you're doing? Yeah wow, So PARTI is like, but
that's it's going to become outerer. Scroll studios, upsiding is
going to become false studios are gonna make it as
as obvious, right even wonders, like even a Blizzard is
that safe from it if we're talking about that much.
A Blizzard's a company with a lot of people. Again,
that's just a lot more people they have to find
a fire yay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what a lot of people have said this
age I said, I and ten dogs the ore day.
But psychological warfare, like it's it's messed up to expect
people to work with the knowledge that yep, and you
might just be fired at the end of the year.
That's not motivation. That is awful. Cono Nechosama is up next.
Watched SGDQ today, saw Mega Man dows. Yeah, they ran
down the silly Block, Mike, have you ever played it? Mike?
Speaker 1: Also at a I did, in fact have Mega Man
Thoss when I was a kid, and even then I.
Speaker 2: Was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: It was always I've always really liked Mega Man, So yeah,
I had it. So I watched that spear, I'm like,
this is wild. I could never get very far in
the game. It was really difficult for me. Boy, if
I was grubbing Dan, I would have me played Mega
Man Toss. I don't know. Maybe that's a blightning round thing.
We know how good we are picking those, right Sean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be to be frank, it looks like it,
kaw looks pretty easy in general, Like you probably was
struggled on the boss fights, but like the levels of
themselves kind of just seem more dull than difficult.
Speaker 1: Gets staring. It's ugly, Uh, I knew like as a kid,
I mean, and the whole thing was, uh, basically one
guy kind of made it as a test And this
was at a time we're making scrolling in a PC
game was very impressive, and he got that going that
somehow like Captain's like, yeah, we'll publish that and it'll
become an actual product. So it's a it's an impressive
technical feed. It's oppressive in a lot of ways. It's
also it's also real weird looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was watching the Silly Block while I was
editing stuff today and they told that story. I actually
didn't know that part of it that he just like
brought it to Capcom. I was like, you know, this
is kind of like Mega Man, This is like your
kind of thing. Would you like to publish my game?
And they were like yes, but you're gonna actually make
it a Mega Man game. So it was Capcom's fault
that it was a Mega Man game.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Uh oh. By the way, there's been some other runs
like did you see that our a Gicken someone else?
We're doing a race of Sonic dream Team as we
went live.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't see that. I saw them doing this
the Sonic Educational that I also had already, So that
was incredibly nostalgic to me.
Speaker 2: I definitely why I want to watch the dream Team
run later? Do you remember that one, the Apple Arcade game.
Speaker 1: I remember it, and I never checked it out, so
I don't know very much about it. But it's pretty small, right,
It's like it's in the rush style mostly. Huh. Yeah,
it's it's.
Speaker 2: A very generation style game. I played. I played a
lot of it on my phone on the way to
EVO that one year that I went on my own
to do interviews because I think it had just come
out that at that point, or like I had just
got a free Apple Arcade subscripture or something. And it's
kind of a blend between generations and frontiers, where like
it is structured like generations, but like frontiers that give
Sock more room to run around, which, as we know
now in three D, that's what she got to do
with Sonic. It's actually pretty solid.
Speaker 1: Man, looking at the schedule and like next is out
and Ring all Bosses co Op Yep, that METROI dread
restricted and oh boy, I'm gonna be watching all night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm drinking my red white and blue
raspberry mosser tonight. Are by No, I don't give.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: He's just such a Patriots. It's just blue raspberry and
I love Blue Raspberry. It is the only reason I
got But yeah, I'm gonna be up until like two
am watching GDQ, so that's why I breaking energy drink
at eight pm. G Nitro is next revisiting the Fantasy
Stars series again. One and two finished this week my
Retroy Pocket five, as I haven't played any of them
since the nineties. Is there a series you all really
want to revisit from your childhood?
Speaker 1: Boy, I revisit my childhood theories quite a lot already,
and there's often excuses I can come up with, either
you know, doing it on a stream on Giant Bomb,
or there's a new collection like the Sonic Games, right
Like I've played through all the original song games multiple
times even recent years, stain thing with my Mega mans Marios,
all these opportunities. There's there's almost more stuff from kind
of that three sixty PS three era that I haven't
played in a while that I want to do. I
haven't done BioShock want in a moment. I haven't played
an Uncharted game in a bit, and I love Uncharted,
so doing like an Uncharted series playthrough again might be
fun for me. But there's so many Like there's also
just so many games that I haven't played at all
yet I still kind of want to get to. Like
I haven't played Sly Cooper and that should have been
a childhood game for me, but I did it, so
I kind of want to go play that. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2: I do revisit retro games I like so often that like,
I'm not sure there're saying that I haven't really revisited
that I want to go back to. I do remember,
like maybe something I haven't done. While I was revisiting
the Mega Man Ball Battle Network series, I used to
just like play through like all of those games, uh,
pretty frequently, like in a row, and I haven't done
that in a long time, so I might do that
sometime soon.
Speaker 1: I have been doing a little bit of a hankry
for a Pokemon I haven't done, like a classic Pokemon
in a bit, So the easiest thing it would just
be a you know, I got a copy of Leaf
Green when they released. I got a code for that,
so I could just pick that up, kind of like
I don't want to play Black and White two though,
which never really went through, and I love Black and
White one, So I don't know, we'll.
Speaker 2: See, Yeah, I Black and White two would be a
very good choice. Like under you know, like like I
just told you, the story is worse, but in general
still a very fun game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: One more from Zombie Porin shout out Sean cyber bullying
Will onto the Dump Trucks.
Speaker 1: Good work, Sean Will. We had a good time on
that one.
Speaker 2: I thought Will would be a good fit for the
Dump Trucks. I'm like, yeah, I get on there. Man.
You haven't been on there yet? Why not? Outer Heaven three?
One three? My big question is does Todd Howard stick around.
He seemed to be a big proponent of Bethesda doing
things their way, but now Xbox is changing that.
Speaker 1: It seems like it wasn't too long ago that a
Todd Howard could easily just leave and do a startup
and get funding for that and all that. And that
doesn't see him as easy these days, right God, getting
getting money for a new video game startup. I think
Todd might just have to write things out here right
at this point's career, just do it a bit longer,
gets retirement kind of grin and bear. I don't know,
I don't know. Maybe he is going to go do
his own thing. Maybe he doesn't mind the direction change.
I kind of doubt that. The impression we always got
was that there was some pride about be says the
makes fallout. We know Obsitian did it that one time,
but we're gonna make that game when we're good and ready.
And Microsoft was finally like, no, you're not gonna be
ready for a long time. We're just gonna give it
to Obsidian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a big overarching thing with all the Xbox
stuff is, you know some studios do want hands off
and they were like, yeah, we're willing to like be
under this banner or anything like that, but we operate
well as is and we don't want you a mess
with that. Well, granted, I think because a little bit
slower to playoff games, maybe they're not actually one those studios,
but well, the reporting was some of these studios actually
wanted a little more guidance, and like, I forget if
this was analysis or like reporting from someone, like a
quote from someone, but the phrase like absentee parent was
being tossed around a lot, like in reference to how
people would refer to Xbox and like, yeah, I get that,
where if you're being like you see was it in
the in the in the Psychonauts documentary, right of like
seeing Matt Booty go in there and talk to them
all and everything like that, and maybe that just being
all that happens at that point. They're just like, all right,
let's get you like situated and into the xbox, like
you know, anything you might need to do on the
back end and everything like that, and then they're just out,
like peace out. And the talk was always seemingly that
they thought that would be a good way to like
let studios do their thing and then they just monetarily
reap the rewards. But clearly that was not actually what
some of those studios needed. And yeah, that's some of
the messiness there. Uh from I'm gonna go with pick
wid on this one. Uh. You two covered the roughest
news week like champions. You deserve an extra long weekend
to zone out to SEMSGDQ and positive vibes. Thank you
very much, boyos.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I will absolutely be doing that. What's I
think Exhibion thirty three is the finale game this year?
Speaker 2: I believe it is this year? Yes, which hey, solid choice, solid.
Speaker 1: Choice, Yeah, that sounds interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Saturday is just gonna be
a bunch of good stuff too. What welse I see?
It's gonna be Kingdom Heart's two final mix in the afternoon.
Hell yeah, all right, Super Mario sixty four one twenty
star task so the tool assisted speed on?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Task Pilot is back. Good.
Speaker 2: Guess a link to the past is after that, Super
dram World three after that, so some Kaizo and then
the other ending with Expision thirty three. So Saturday is
gonna be very good. I'm looking forward it, yep. And
then god, I still love this name so much. These
pitches love, Sosa says. Feels like these companies are under
us simating the appeal and size of our backlogs. Next
Gen seems absolutely absolutely cooked, and there's infinite retro games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the one boy, I'd say that I did
like Xbox that that Xbox did and recent memory was
the backwards compatibility stuff and the enhancements we got to
those games, and that was cool. That initiative never lasted
that long, and it feels like they never really found
a good way to promote that or you know, I
hate to say Monetizac as god knows what that could
have looked like. But they are doing really neat work there.
I love the idea of it, but yeah, I only
went so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was any one thing. May the
future would be looking a little different in next gen
and everything. But it's just become a perfect storm of
not being able to afford stuff, combined with all these
studios having issues under management or something like that. Like
things just all coming together to reach a point of
a lot of us, a lot of us I think independently,
I just decided, yeah, maybe I don't need to a
ton of money on new games and new hardware that
isn't offering much for me. Steam Sale just ended, and Mike,
I like, I was feeling a little guilty about like
buying a bunch of stuff today and I realized it
was only like seventy bucks. I got like eight games
or something like that. Yeah, that's that's one full price
game nowadays. And I got like a bunch of stuff,
like I got the Crisis Core remake and I don't
actually own Stardu Valley on steams I picked that out,
and like a bunch of other.
Speaker 1: Stuff, and like, yeah, just when I was excited about
was Dishonored two. I got like really cheap and I'm like,
I never played this Honor two. I like this Honor one.
You don't get these kind of games very much anymore,
and you know, worry about arcane at the moment as well,
So I'm like, yeah, I'm bringing to check out this
on or too. Finally, at some point here.
Speaker 2: It's the wonder of the PC ecosystem because even Watchdogs too,
which unfortunately is like a Ubisoft Connect thing you need
to be logged into their accounting everything. I hate that
shit what was two bucks? And I'm like, I really
like that game, but I don't have on PC. So yeah,
absolutely toss that card as well as Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes absolutely it will be like this seems cheap enough
and I just I have it, but somewhere else. Yeah,
I'll get the PC version now, sure?
Speaker 2: Why not? Yeah? And we are caught up for now.
Thank you for the super chats.
Speaker 1: Everybody, all right, second, another break, We'll be right back
with the hat. Everybody, all right, everybody, we are back.
This is the side out of a hat. If you
don't know, inside this RB's gallon hat, I have slips
of paper with a phrase written on it. The phrase
goes into the sentence, what is the greatest blank of
all times. Some of these I put in. Some of
these are suggestions from our Patreon members community members. Are
you ready, Sean? I know how much you love the hat.
Speaker 2: I do. I love the hat. I know that you
don't always love my decisions when it comes to the hat.
So this is gonna be an interesting I was.
Speaker 1: A little upset. I wasn't here for the Sega Genesis one.
That's all all right. You know it's a Genesis kid.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy you are happy, you are.
Speaker 1: God damn it. All right, let's see here. Now, let's
get one from the bottom the start. We're gonna shake
it up, bro. Good First, make sure it's okay, because
I put a few new ones in there. So let's
picture some of the old ones right at the top.
Some of the new ones go to the bottom. Let's see.
But I got this one jumped out at me. All right,
What is the greatest? That's interesting because I don't know
how I forget what your history of this game is.
Who is the greatest overwatched character of all timecer? It is?
Tracer is in. It is so cool. Coracer is a
cool character, like a cool design, like the personality is
funchy Man just to kind of have like the high
energy they're almost manic pixie girl thing, but not an
obnoxious way. It's actually really fun, insincere and just the kit,
the teleportation stuff. I remember. I think that was like
a big moment for a lot of people playing Overwatch
for the first time, was trying out trays and be
like this is neat. I would still play a whole
like single player first Briton Shooter kind of based around
Facer's kit. I think that would be a time you.
Speaker 2: Should do that.
Speaker 3: They should do that game, right.
Speaker 2: Right, I've always wanted a single player Overwatch, dude, Like,
I think that campaign would really rip. But yeah, the
fun thing is like this is one of those like
I know, she's the poster girls, so she's the obvious choice,
and she's not even one of my favorites. I would
gladly nominate Ryan Hart Diva. Moira is my favorite. I
said this, Moira is my favorite character to play in
any video game ever. She feels so fun to play,
like balancing the orbs all over the place and then
like draining health with the life steal and then healing
your allies. She's my main and I love playing her.
Ess she came out, She's always my favorite. Mercy is
a fun character as well. Lucio the idea of like
a DJ sending sound waves out for healing and everything
like that. Bastian's pretty iconic at this point. I think,
even like Robot May May that the game.
Speaker 1: Is over ten years old now, it's kind of hard
to forget, like why it was such a big hitt,
and there's just a lot of appealing characters in there
from the get go. They have added some neat ones
even recently. I like Juno quite a bit. I think
Juneo is pretty cool. This is pretty new.
Speaker 2: Charatures are pretty neat Yeah, like God, I forget her name,
but the one they just introduced, the Japanese character, like
Japanese Robot. Yeah, she's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: He's cool, like I like Domina of course, all sorts
of neat one. So yeah, great characters in the game.
But it's Tracer. Tracer. Tracer is Needo. That's my word today.
Speaker 2: It is Neo. She's iconic, is what she is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, alrighty, next one then those good work there,
pick one, but from the top this time, what is
the greatest interesting.
Speaker 1: Game within a game?
Speaker 2: That's a good time.
Speaker 3: Is it a meani game or is a actual full
game inside.
Speaker 1: If it's a meeting off of a mini game, I
think it can count. It's like, is it like a.
Speaker 3: Call back to another game that's inside a game like
Middle Gear or Solid four? You can play Middle Gel.
Speaker 1: I don't know about call back, and that's actually be
like a game you're playing. So what I have two
things that came up to my mind. First off is
of course like a Queen's Blood and Found Fantasy seven
and those are both yeah, I love like you know
those are those are mini games that are so robust
or not many They're not very many anymore. Actually, then
there's examples of kind of like classic games being in
a newer games like you can play Donkey Kong and
Jetpack in Donkey Kong sixty four or the way that, uh,
the one that blew me away is all of Maniac
Mansion is in the Day of the Tentacle, and it's
just this fun Eastern right. I know that actually there's
a room with a computer in it. If you like
triby to use the computer enough times, it just boots
up Maniac Mansion and that's super.
Speaker 2: Neat yeah, the Yaka is a series I feel like
is kind of cheating because they do just include like
basically ROMs in there. But it's why, what is it?
Speaker 1: I mean it's neat though, I mean that's that's basically
what's happening with like Maniac Manchin like I'm talking about that.
Speaker 2: I suppose I suppose that's true, yeah, which is very cool,
But it's also like I don't think of any one
of those.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is, right.
Speaker 2: Not iconic, and I think that's why it feels different.
It's even it's not even like I just saw someone
bring up in chat like the ne e s games
and Animal Crossing. That's kind of what it feels like.
And you know, as cool of an add on as is,
I don't. I don't think of it in the same
way as does someone else point this out, And it's
one that came to my mind.
Speaker 1: Geometry Wars, Oh yeah, that's good, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: From Project Gotham Racing three or whatever.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, here's here's the one. Here's remember Puzzle Combat
and Mortal Kombat Deception.
Speaker 2: Oh didn't they have a karting game and.
Speaker 1: One of them had a crat They Yeah, they had
really neat many games in those for for a while there,
for sure. That's where I crashed. Bandicoo is un chart
at four, which is neat, but it was only kind
of that one level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those more bespoke things are more of what
I'm thinking about than just like a game being included.
Speaker 1: You know, what about some of the tech ones? Yeah,
tech and bowling.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tech and bowling, Tech and ball, Yeah, those
are both good. I think Tech and Ball is like
pretty iconic in the FGC just because of how silly
it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my question is are any of these
as good as Queen's Blood or Triple Triad yet?
Speaker 2: I mean, Geometry Wars is as good?
Speaker 1: Is actually up there? You're right then? That that that
and that really spun off into its own series, even
in a way that Triple Triad somehow hasn't. Like I
feel like there must be some mobile thing of Triple
Triad maybe, but I can't. They did.
Speaker 2: They did have a mobile for Triple Triad. I think
it was actually it may have been part of the
fourteen Companion app at some point because you you know,
you right, Yeah, I'm torn because like Triple Triad is
like the iconic classic one Queen's Queen's Blood, I feel
is just a more fun version of that.
Speaker 1: I might like, but even more Triple Triad God God.
Speaker 2: Geometry Wars is addicting and is also just a very
good game. Like I know, if Jeff was here, you
would definitely go for Geometry, but.
Speaker 1: He's not, and that's that's the fun part, right, So
I yeah, oh, you know there's stuff like Gwent for sure. Yeah,
I'm torn.
Speaker 2: I could say either Queen's Blood or Geometry Wars at this.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna say, Queen's Blood, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm down to do Queen's Blood.
Speaker 1: We're doing Queen's Blood if I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Geometry Wars lost game within a game to Queen's Blood,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, playing Poker in Red Dead was actually also
really neat. I think disrespects. Get back to Maks.
Speaker 2: You love Geometry Wars. You know I love Geometry Wars.
Speaker 1: Do you have time to be er? You have time
to do gay mess Mornings tomorrow?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So I think taking the hat, shaking the hat, that's crazy. Yeah,
Sonic three is the best Geniis game was pretty crazy too.
I don't think I can do about that one. All right?
I thought you well, people would have at least four
streets Streets of Rage two, But nope. Oh this is fun.
This is fun. This is a fun one to have
you on. I think this is the fine providence here.
Who is the greatest star Fuck's teammate of all time?
Speaker 2: Falco?
Speaker 1: Right, Flippy PEPPI? Who am I forgetting?
Speaker 2: Could you be forgetting? Mike Command?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you think you think we're gonna see Crystal again?
You think in the next Star Foks game it'll it'll
be it'll You think it's gonna be like such a
direct sequel to this remake that it's not gonna acknowledge Crystal,
Or you think there's gonna be kind of a time
jump and it's like far enough in the future that
Crystal is just there. They even like reintroduce her or
something like that.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they are just like there's some bitterness
somewhere in the equation where they're just like, we're just
gonna retcon her away. She's never coming back. That was
that was a rare creation. Nah, She's she's not part
of our thing anymore. I I hate Tom She's probably
never coming back, especially Hat could just come in and
be the new Crystal.
Speaker 1: Pretty neat cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the remake that remakes is need Yeah, and that's
my word. Yeah, that's fine. Look, I like all I
think the fun thing about Star Fucks is that the
whole team is cool. Even Slippy I always liked, and
we probably got the best version of Slippy in the remakes.
Speaker 2: I'll say this for the process of illumination. I think
Peppy's the worst out of the five main roster. I
think Peppy's the worst.
Speaker 1: I always liked N sixty four Peppy just because I
liked his delivery and voice, Like I was one of
those people forever ago, just going around screaming do a barrow,
thinking it was really funny. But sure, Falco is obviously good.
But look, if you want to have Crystal for this one,
you can have it.
Speaker 2: So when we say teammate, are we excluding Fox from that?
Does this physically mean team? How's it phrase? How's it phrased?
Speaker 1: I said teammate, which I know, what's the whole thing?
Speaker 2: Hang on, what was the paper say? It was the
whole thing? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Got what I wrote? I think it says Star Fucks
teammate is all this? Yeah, Starfux teammate is all that?
This says to me.
Speaker 2: Like I mean Star Fox is all for all four
members at I an't given point in time. So if
that includes Fox, I would say Fox. But if that,
if you don't think that's really in the spirit, then.
Speaker 1: We sometimes in the spirit. But I just think you're
more interested.
Speaker 2: If you say Crystal, I mean I don't think you'll
let me have Crystal.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I'll let you have it.
Speaker 2: All right, it's Crystal his own time. If he wants
to getting mad, anybody else Hoelete, you're common, I'll give ship.
Speaker 1: It's Crystal. Here we get congratulations. You use the boost
to get through. Okay, let's get another one. I ever
do a couple more at least everybody. Uh, I'm gonna
go deep, deep into the bottom of the hat to
pick this one out. It's interesting, not a franchise. I
don't know if you have any affinity for this. I
don't have a ton myself, but chat hope us out.
Who is the greatest Bond girl of all time?
Speaker 2: Oh God, oh no, Because I grew up with Bond.
I love the Bond movies. Look y'all know what I mean.
Why I say this, I don't remember any of them. Bond,
James Bond threw them away. Why am I supposed to
remember them?
Speaker 1: He is supposed to remember. I don't know if people
who like by answer because I don't know. No. People
are kind of to this game, this movie. These days diet,
other days wild. But halle Berry in that movie, huh, giks,
I just learned her name is in that movie. I
just call her halle Berry when I'm watching that movie
is not very often. Huh. Pussy Glory is an iconic name,
though we all know that this iconic.
Speaker 2: Name the only Bond your old name I'm gonna remember. Yeah,
Mortalization I don't remember because James doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: In the morning, if Dan was here to be streaming,
I think it should be on the top man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking Mike Maharty is screaming somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Vesper was, Yeah, Vesper and Casino I was really
good and probably the best acted. I do agree with
that for sure. There's the Martini. Yeah that's Ava Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll defer to you a little more on this. Mike.
You seem to like remember this a little more than
I do.
Speaker 1: Halle period is.
Speaker 2: Down jeans.
Speaker 1: Apparently, there you go. But if I just gave it
to that the lady in the island resorts in the
new game.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, get another one in case you get tell I'm
not necessarily some huge bond guys with the classic movies.
I don't know. I don't know, all right, going from
the top here maybe our last one. We got quite
a lot going on here. Let's see another one.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see what you know about this. Who is
the greatest iron Chef of all time? You ever watch
Iron Chef Sean.
Speaker 2: On a second in my life?
Speaker 1: Mari, Yeah, well, let me let me help you out.
In the original Japanese version, the chefs kind of represented
a different cuisines from the world, like kent Ken Knichi
I believe his name was the iron Chef Chinese, right,
so that was important. There was a My favorite the
original was here Yoki Sakai. He was the French, the
cussically French trained iron Chef. He had an incredible winning work.
He was in a ton of episodes. I liked Sakai
but a lot. Masa Haromiyamoto, though kind of cross He
sort of crosses generations because he was an Iron Chef
Japanese in the Japan show, and then when they did
Iron Chef America he also came over was an Iron
Chef there as well. That was great, and then an
Iron Chef America. He also had Bobby Flay, huge and
then Cleveland's own Michael Simon, who also had an amazing
win record. Michael Simon was an all star, just incredible
an Iron Chef America for sure, So plenty of choose from.
Like god, this something about the way Marimoto was on
both shows. It was kind of, you know, incredible in both.
I feel like I watched that guy grow up. He
was such a young fresh face. He's just a boy.
An Iron Chef Japan. Now, I've like been to a
couple of restaurants good, but boy, Michael Simon is cool
and he's a Cleveland guy. I do like Michael Simon,
but I think I have to give they got to
give their respect. The massa hero Moriymoto on cousine. I
love Iron bar Aye. Boy. When Iron Chef they started
doing those those dubs on Food Network at night, I
watched it religiously. I loved it, and then like that
transformed the network. The network went from actual shows about
learning how to cook to competition based stuff within the
span of a couple of years. Yeah, well I knew
it was big.
Speaker 2: I realized like it turned down Aron interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's to kind of change the the whole network
over there, And that's like still guys grocery games, right,
that's still what that network basically is. God boy, I
like that. All right, Well that was let's see one
board that. How about one more.
Speaker 2: Give me one more? Give you what?
Speaker 1: That's maybe a little bit more relevant to your interest.
Speaker 2: Shot, we went to the peak of my interest in
the cratered down.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think you may got something here. What is
the greatest schmup? Get them up? Vertical shooter? Horizontal shooter?
What are you gonna of all time? Debbious that I
never played that one that much.
Speaker 2: That's the one where it's like your favorite game designer's
favorite game.
Speaker 1: I know about it. Yeah, I will say, like some
of my favorites are I love thunder Force, Flour on
the Genesis and Mosh. Those two on the Genesis both
feel really freaking good. And then of course there's Ikaruga.
You know our frosty demand always increases, right, Yeah. Yeah,
so that one's I haven't played Radiance Silver Gun yet.
I've been meaning to for quite a while. Eine Hander
also really freaking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's some classics you got to give respect for.
The Gradius is the art types. Zero Wing actually not
a bad game. I know, we mostly know the somebody
set us up the bomb ben.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do know more about this than I do,
as I do like I do like shoota mups, but
you definitely know more about those. So I'm curious what
you're feeling right now, boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like there are some that you're right that
I think the schmuff sickos would be screaming about more
so than what I know about them. They always have
strange names, right my my instinct that's either thunder Force
for Ikaruga.
Speaker 2: I do like Ikaruga.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout outs to un Squadron on Super Nintendo as well. Hmmm, yeah,
those are definitely my favorites.
Speaker 2: Of the concept is so fun, like switching between the
bullet types and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's a cool looking game and
it was kind of that time that genre was kind
of felt dead. So even even then, the idea that
we got a new schmup was actually kind of like, WHOA,
what a throwback, right, everybody, it's neat, It's neat. We
could just say it Garuga. That's a cool game. Kind
of stands the test of time to.
Speaker 2: I know some people in the chest at Galaga and
Gallaga I love it is one of my favorite arcade games.
I feel like it's just I guess it's in that category,
but just like the speed.
Speaker 1: Is so much to Yeah, it's like, to me, this
genre is almost just classic arcade game. Like it's closer
to Acmand than it.
Speaker 2: Is to It's closer to as Troy's than is the Career.
Speaker 1: Still it's like I I would rather play kind of
one of the I don't know, slightly more modern, fast
paced scrolling one of those, and like the stationary from
ups of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's some and there's some cool ones too
in the more modern times, like the Darius Burst and
like with ultra wide monitors and stuff like that. But
there is something about Ikaruga where anytime I go back
to play that, I'm like, man, this game is really cool.
They were right to have frothing demand increase.
Speaker 1: It's the reason why I know what Tate mode is.
It's because of.
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, yeah, yeah, I'm down for Karuga.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm like, I keep way from them
to do a parodius uh compilation, which is like the
silly parody braddiest games that Konami also made that also
just played like good ones of those, but they're really
silly and weird and goofy, and they look like a
ton of fun.
Speaker 2: I would, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that reminds me we're
robbing Chowaniki.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fantastic. Let's recap what we did here today.
From the hat, we decided that the best Overwatch character
is Tracer, best game within a game is Queen's Blood
from Fan Fantasy seven Rebirth, the best Star Fox teammate
is Bristol, the best the best Bond girl is Halle
Berry as a Jinx, the best Iron chef with Masahomia Moto,
and the best schmupp is Ika Rega. All right, fantastic work.
Thank you so much for helping me sort through this hat, Sean,
And now we're gonna take one more break. We'll come
back we'll read the rest of super Chat, talk about
anything we've been playing. We'll finish this show up here.
Be everybody all right, we're back Sean. What you been playing?
Speaker 2: Honestly, not a ton a ton mostly just still on
my retro bs, you know, retro achievements stuff, revisiting some stuff.
I have been going back. The Wii retro Achievements event
is still ongoing. I still have to give my badge.
I'm at thirty five out of the fifty points I
need and we only got like ten days to go,
so I'm gonna have to plow through some shovel where again, unfortunately,
I think, But yeah, I have been going back to
get all the achievements in Twilight Princess. That's been fun,
Like I do. I don't love Twilight Princess, but having
like played in spent a lot of time when now
I do enjoy it, I think has a lot of
charm when you get into like the smaller yeah village
and stuff.
Speaker 1: I thought I was about. The game had good dungeons,
at least, like I was like that stuff more than
maybe some of the vignettes in between.
Speaker 2: It might be the single best lineup of dungeons in
a Zelda game, because not a single one like I
actively disliked, and even the one where I was like
on the water dungeon, of course, it's always a water
dungeon like even that, Like they I think they did
some things so like leverly sort of revise their ideas
from the Water Temple and Ocarina time, which I thought
was like an interesting thing to do, is to say, hey, look,
we do more interesting things with water. And also the
iron boots are gonna be here in places, but it's
not like the defining feature of the of the dungeon.
That was pretty cool. So yeah, I've been having fun
revisiting that. And then also on the other side of
retro achievement stuff, Mario sixty four. Been playing that because
I want to get to Mario Sunshine, just because I'm
in the mood to play that for summertime. And I
was like, you know what, I fired up sixty four
on stream the other day when I was testing the superstation.
Why not just see this through? Why not just do
one hundred and twenty star run and also get all
the retro achievements as I go as well. So that's
been a lot of fun to do. As well, just
because I love Mario sixty four. It's why it's, in
my opinion, the greatest game of all time, so.
Speaker 1: I definitely can make that case. I love it as well. Yeah,
I've been playing a lot of that Taro Tech Legion,
which again is the game that's like Vampire Survivors with
the car that you customize as you level up. It's
been ships super fun. Yeah, it's kind of the gummy
ship editor, just with the ground vehicle you're attaching, you know,
turrets and blocks that like can increase of stats and speed.
So yeah, very gummy ship there. But it's just a
really fun one of these. I like the way controls
you have, the four different characters that all kind of
work a little bit differently, Like some favor weapons that
are more about just ramming into the enemies. Some of
them have like just like they send out drones and
that's where of the focus. You could get all these
things with any vehicle, but some just have some different attributes,
even sort of basic like gel designs that you then
can expand you just turn them into these absolute monstrosities
by the end. Tarotech Legion fun also start up out
and ring again. I'm finally gonna play that game without
doing any summoning. That is still a neat game. That's uh,
that is it's really pretty. It's fun. I've three of
the kind of some of the bigger bosses at this
I just went through that Magic School section again and
I have a kind of a Bleed build going right
now by this giant sword that I can swing and
it's it's kind of heavy, but it's decks based, and
eventually it's very satisfying when that Bleed broadcasts. And for
people don't know, Bleed is the status effect, where like
if you kind of like fill up the invisible bar
on the enemies, it just takes off a chunk of damage.
As that hits always feels really good. And that game yep, yep,
big stuff that I have been up to. So there's that.
Are we cut up on the super chats? The go ahead? Christy?
Speaker 3: Oh so you talk about you I've not played a
Black Flag yet.
Speaker 1: I have. I have.
Speaker 3: It's just it's hard to talk about remakes for me
because it's always the same thing that you like the
old one and the remake is good, you're gonna like
the new one. But I want to point people to
go read the PC Gamer review because the reviewer on
that review played the old game and the new game
back to back and then review it that way. So
it's a pretty good read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go to that.
Speaker 3: Go to that read that review because it's really good.
It's like I played that game thirteen years ago, which
is crazy, and I don't remember anything, which is crazy
because it was so good. I remember, I remember it
being good, and I remember like enjoying it. But I'm
playing I don't remember what happened. I barely remember the
story or anything. So like planning back to back, that
is the real test for the remake, I feel, and
they it's not like I thought. To me playing the
remake now, I was like, oh, this is like a
nine out of ten, like an eight out of ten.
It's like a really good remake. And they gave it
a seventy five, which is like, oh, maybe the remake
kind of lost something from the original. And that in
that review that I'm like telling you what re they
go through, like oh, the park who was more methodical,
the story was a little bit better pace, and all
that kind of stuff. So people go read that review.
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, might be checking that one out still myself.
At some point here we did get a super chat
sneak in Sean.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did. G Nitro put one in to say
rip Bonnie Tyler, whose song holding Out for a Hero
was part of the amazing ending of Saints frothree when
rescuing Shandy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one is said. I do think Total Clips
of the Heart is an all time good song. Just
every time that's one daytime it's on the RADI I'm like,
I'm gonna listen. I'm not gonna get out of the
car until this one's done again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just great musician across the board. I do love
her stuff. Like you said, anytime it comes on the radio,
I always give a listen. So yep, definitely r I
P there.
Speaker 1: Oh righty we are at the end of the show.
Thank you so much much every hanging out, Sean. Thank
you so much for helping me here covering for Jeff
Curry for me the two previous weeks. Appreciate that. Tomorrow tomorrow,
everybody Games Mornings, Jason Fonellion, We'll see what fresh hell
awaits us. Tomorrow we'll have a upf. We're doing a
little bit of a grab I think Dan's gonna actually
play some Terotech legion if you're curious to see what
that looks like. We haven't played it on the site yet,
talked about a lot. We'll get away a bunch of
codes for it, but yeah, we'll show you what what
that looks like, Sean. Anything you want to show, I
can do any streaming this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll keep going with my Mario sixty four stuff.
So if you want to watch that, we'll be playing
on the superstation while getting hardcore retro achievements. You can
do that over on Twitch, dot tv, slash Turbo. Sean
stream nowadays every Saturday and Sunday at noon Central. It's
always a fun time just to chill hangout because it
sucks everywhere on the internet, and so I you know,
we try to find those podcasts where people are chilling,
like to hang out. I like for my stream to
be one of those. So if you want just like
a nice relaxing thing to put on in the background
while you do whatever, or you want to hop into
the chat, hopefully you check it out. I'd appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Awesome. I love streaming. It's it's always a ton of fun.
I appreciate people who show up there, and I'll definitely
be doing some more out and ringing out and ringing.
I don't like saying that this weekend as well, and
then next week Jan and Grab we'll be back. I
think I think you and I should really phone it
in next week. I think we deserve that we burned
at this point, right, yeah, yeah, I am right, Like,
let's let's just do let's just be real lazy. I'm
gonna be a diva. I'm going I don't want to
be on dump truck tires.
Speaker 2: It's new for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, thank you. I would usually never boy, Now,
I got.
Speaker 2: What was that outside? You like ther comfort zone? It's
pretty am right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching a lot of games then quick
this evening though, because I want to see this out
and ring and then Metro dread after.
Speaker 2: That at Metro's gonna be good. Yeah you said after that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Saga ages, like, yeah, yes, of
course we all know that. By the way, I did
check out that like Puzzle League thing the GBA won.
That's a bad version of that game. It's a bare but.
Speaker 2: So much better.
Speaker 5: It's so much better. Just buy that all right, by everybody.
Speaker 1: All right, black.
Speaker 3: Oh chat, watch young girls, don't play fighting games.
Speaker 1: Pop a coconut, bitch. There's so many ways to fund yourself.
Open your mind. I'm sorry to say that one didn't
quite get it. That's a good on the East grooms
opened your mind a