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again this came from the rap that supposedly, at one

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point before Gunn was hired, they were talking to Michael

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Speaker 2: And then another thing.

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Speaker 1: That came out because obviously Mission Impossible came out in

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promotion stuff like that. This was rumored a long time ago,

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around twenty seventeen, like after Fallout, that supposedly McCrory and

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Henry cavill had gone and pitched a Superman movie to

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Warner Brothers, and I guess they passed. But he's shed

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more details that there's gonna be a green lantern in there, he.

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Speaker 2: Said, which I would love to see the script.

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Speaker 1: He said that the first five minutes of the movie

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was achned up where something really big happened and that

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set the stage for the rest of the movie. I'm again,

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saying up, because but even then that would have been interesting.

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So what do you think about this that there were

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talked about this idea of Michael Bay or the Christopher

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McCrory team, and the big idea was that Tom Cruise

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was gonna be Hal Jordan at that time too, Right,

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So what do you think about these these rumblings that

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have came out that were from the past, and are

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is there any one of those that you're like, Man,

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you know, I like Jim's gun, but I wish I

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wish we would have got this instead. Like what did

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Well, I just it's it's kind of

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steel too, I guess in that in that sense.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know about Michael Bay.

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Speaker 1: McCrory said that his mans Steel too, would have none

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of the stuff in the first one would have been ignored.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't reckoned anything, but it would have been very

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more standalone.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you know how you can watch Batman and

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it's it's keen on another venture. So McCrory at least

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made sound like it was gonna be cavill another adventure

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and stuff. And I imagine it's probably cosmic if Green

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Speaker 1: But still both these movies were gonna be a sequel

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with Henry Cavell, right.

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kind of it's it's I can't see it, like it

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of his was was an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, so that

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was the last thing I saw, and then before that

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obviously just Transformers galore. So maybe that's the only kind

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of sense where they thought like, oh, you know, he

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he's got that chaos and destruction down where a whole

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city is being destroyed. Yeah, big scope kind of a thing.

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for what we wanted a Superman movie with a city

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Speaker 1: But that's Transformer movies, right, like all those they can

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the greatest thing, uh for for Superman, but it would

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have been different from the well would have been different

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the first one it's such a slope because they're really

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Speaker 1: I don't think slow Burn with Bay. I think it

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would have been grip it and rip it, which bad.

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Speaker 1: Amy Adams would have been dressed in some skimpy clothing and.

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bunch of rumors they didn't want the mask to cover

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his face, and it's it sounds like they couldn't creatively

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hype of fallout. I think they would have. I think

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that would have succeeded. And there's other stuff in there

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Speaker 2: And yet it's tough to is there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before you move on, are you happy we're getting

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with a new Superman. So there's that. So it just

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two that you had pitched there, where we're getting Green

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Lantern and then we're getting more Superman in this project.

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some subtlety and some earnestness, and I don't think Michael

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Speaker 2: They want the DCU a universe.

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take it one film at a time. Right, They're putting

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like Marvel and DC, We're just gonna you know, own connuities,

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paper that movie versus what James Gunn could make. I

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Speaker 2: With James Gunn, I enjoy a lot of his humor.

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Speaker 1: I gave all those Guardians movies perfect scores. I love

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the Holidays Special. But I've said this before, I don't

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to take down a score. There could be like a

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certain character that does in a certain scene and maybe

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it'll work, sure, but I don't want them to have

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right and this universe doesn't happen. I don't know, And

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in a month. If I'm here, given James Gunn Superman

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Speaker 1: But I trust James Gunn like I I don't think

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that could be any at least a seven point five.

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Speaker 1: What you think at least Superman's gonna be with the

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Speaker 1: So we'll take our next ad break and we'll be

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