Speaker 1: Two things that had come out the past week that
again this came from the rap that supposedly, at one
point before Gunn was hired, they were talking to Michael
Bay about doing a Man of Steel sequel.
Speaker 2: And then another thing.
Speaker 1: That came out because obviously Mission Impossible came out in
promotion stuff like that. This was rumored a long time ago,
around twenty seventeen, like after Fallout, that supposedly McCrory and
Henry cavill had gone and pitched a Superman movie to
Warner Brothers, and I guess they passed. But he's shed
more details that there's gonna be a green lantern in there, he.
Speaker 2: Said, which I would love to see the script.
Speaker 1: He said that the first five minutes of the movie
was achned up where something really big happened and that
set the stage for the rest of the movie. I'm again,
I guess that they maybe killed Loff Lois if he's
saying up, because but even then that would have been interesting.
So what do you think about this that there were
you know, these you know, whether they were pitches or
talked about this idea of Michael Bay or the Christopher
McCrory team, and the big idea was that Tom Cruise
was gonna be Hal Jordan at that time too, Right,
So what do you think about these these rumblings that
have came out that were from the past, and are
is there any one of those that you're like, Man,
you know, I like Jim's gun, but I wish I
wish we would have got this instead. Like what did
you think about when you heard the Bay news and
the Cruise McCrory news.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Well, I just it's it's kind of
it's weird to think about, just like a mass of
steel too, I guess in that in that sense.
Speaker 2: So I don't know about Michael Bay.
Speaker 1: McCrory said that his mans Steel too, would have none
of the stuff in the first one would have been ignored.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't reckoned anything, but it would have been very
more standalone.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know how you can watch Batman and
Batman Returns, they're not that linked together, right, Like there
it's it's keen on another venture. So McCrory at least
made sound like it was gonna be cavill another adventure
and stuff. And I imagine it's probably cosmic if Green
Lantern was involved with some space stuff, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So that's where.
Speaker 1: But still both these movies were gonna be a sequel
with Henry Cavell, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And I think that's that's interesting. It's I mean,
it's fun to think about the idea that Michael Bay
would be attached to any of these projects is just
kind of it's it's I can't see it, like it
is wild because I mean the last thing I saw
of his was was an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, so that
was the last thing I saw, and then before that
obviously just Transformers galore. So maybe that's the only kind
of sense where they thought like, oh, you know, he
he's got that chaos and destruction down where a whole
city is being destroyed. Yeah, big scope kind of a thing.
And so maybe that's that's all they were looking for
at the time, like this could fit with our mo
for what we wanted a Superman movie with a city
being destroyed.
Speaker 1: But that's Transformer movies, right, like all those they can
look at that and being like, oh, that's what we
want for Superman, right you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if that would have been
the greatest thing, uh for for Superman, but it would
have been different from the well would have been different
from the first one, I guess. So I feel like
the first one it's such a slope because they're really
tackling this humanity.
Speaker 1: I don't think slow Burn with Bay. I think it
would have been grip it and rip it, which bad.
But I think, yeah, no slow Burn there.
Speaker 3: So no, no you there really isn't You're just with
Michael Bay. I feel like you get like crew jokes
and uh, just high octane all the time.
Speaker 1: Amy Adams would have been dressed in some skimpy clothing and.
Speaker 3: No, it would have been Megan Foxes as Lois Lane.
Speaker 1: No, but Amy, it was still calling Udy same con
Udy so sister or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a Lane.
Speaker 1: And then you know she's like Superman has to say
her from a tree and you see up her skirt like,
I don't know, ma'am, you should be wearing underwear. So
what about Macquary and Cruise's lantern and all that jazz?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, that's that's interesting because wasn't Tom Cruise
supposed to be an iron Man.
Speaker 2: At one point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually original one of the original people, but then
he wanted to the mask not to cover There's a
bunch of rumors they didn't want the mask to cover
his face, and it's it sounds like they couldn't creatively
get on the same page.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel like he is someone who has wanted
to get his toes wet and uh a superhero project
of some kind. So that's that one that's interesting him
is a green lantern too. You know, I could see
something like that, I could picture it. I I don't
know how far he would take it. I feel like
if it didn't get off of its feet right away,
he probably would have bowed out pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a question because I think Fallout, Yeah,
Fallouts the biggest, most profitable mission impossible movies. So you'd
have to think if like, let's say that movie comes out,
then two and a half years later, you got all
that marketing of Henry cavill and that was the most
popular to ever been, you got Tom Cruise and then
all of the marketing you can say from the director
from the team of Mission Fallout right, like, like, I
do think that would have been a hip Michael bay One,
I don't know. I think McCrory would coming off the
hype of fallout. I think they would have. I think
that would have succeeded. And there's other stuff in there
they could have been doing, but I think think that
was the time.
Speaker 2: And yet it's tough to is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you move on, are you happy we're getting
what we're getting with James Gunn or is there any
of these two that you wish you would have got more.
Speaker 3: I'm happy because, I mean, we're getting Green Lantern, and
you know they're I mean, he's choosing to start off
with a new Superman. So there's that. So it just
feels like it's kind of like pulled from between the
two that you had pitched there, where we're getting Green
Lantern and then we're getting more Superman in this project.
So it's like a spiritual successor in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bay, I think there's some fun stuff there, but
not I don't think Superman. I think Superman still needs
some subtlety and some earnestness, and I don't think Michael
Bay has had that in his films for a long time.
Even though in Ambles there's some great moments with the brothers,
I think I think Superman needs a bit more tack
per se mccuary, I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know the meetings. I would love to
know why.
Speaker 1: I will say that James gun is probably better for
what they're doing right now.
Speaker 2: They want the DCU a universe.
Speaker 1: McCrory is not that guy, because I think they're gonna
take it one film at a time. Right, They're putting
Tom Cruise as the lantern because it fits, not because well,
Tom will want to set you up for ten out.
Speaker 2: Of the projects, right. I don't think that's it.
Speaker 1: I think if you were in the era of hey,
we're just gonna make one offs like back in the day,
like Marvel and DC, We're just gonna you know, own connuities,
no crossovers.
Speaker 2: McCrory is a great pick.
Speaker 1: And then it's tough because I could say maybe on
paper that movie versus what James Gunn could make. I
think there's a chance the mccuory movie could be better
because even though I had lots of problems with Final Reckoning,
there's some fantastic stuff in The Fallouts or in all
those movies they did together, and I the other thing
will have to be because I for the most time,
there's obviously you know, moments where it doesn't work. But
I really enjoyed the humor on the Mission Possible Fallout
franchise or just a Mission Postle franchise, and McCory did
with them.
Speaker 2: With James Gunn, I enjoy a lot of his humor.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I gave all those Guardians movies perfect scores. I love
the Holidays Special. But I've said this before, I don't
want that humor in Superman. You know where McCrory like that.
To me, the humor Mission Impossible, That is like the
right to humor I would like in a Superman movie
that's pretty pitch perfect Guardians or Suicide Squad, Creachy Commandos.
Speaker 2: I don't want that in Superman.
Speaker 1: If that stuff happens, each joke will like actively start
to take down a score. There could be like a
certain character that does in a certain scene and maybe
it'll work, sure, but I don't want them to have
that same vibe. So if I trust someone making the
better movie, yeah, I don't know how Warner Brothers turned
that down. Fallout was the biggest one yet, caviled so
much hype. If you have Tom Cruise on board, don't
know how you're saying no at that point, Like that
just shows to me how like Warner Brothers were just
just idiots just back then, we're idiots and hopefully they're
not now, but just idiots of like all these people, Cruise,
Cavin McCrory have never been hotter, and you're like, we're good,
and it's like it's a it's not And how easy
is it too? Him and Cavill already works together and
they're not even saying like a matter bee King, like
we want to reboot, want to do this. It's just
because I don't know for sure, but maybe it's just
because it was tied to the zach Snyer films. They
really wanted to distance themselves. But to me that was
I think a mistake. But and who knows, because maybe
that movie comes out it's a big hit, and we're
talking about Man of Steel three or four right now,
right and this universe doesn't happen. I don't know, And
that's a whole different can of worms. But I think
it's interesting to see how incompetent Warner Brothers kind of
was back then.
Speaker 2: And I wish we got that movie.
Speaker 1: You can't get both right, because I think we oh
what was the other chicken and egg scenario? Oh, I
can't remember. Oh, it's when we talked about Superman returns.
When we did that retro check it on Patron, we
reviewed every single movie, right, and I think I can't remember.
I think you guys actually were no, but I was.
Someone was like, oh, I would actually like the scene more.
But then when you asked me, would you like to
see a Superman's Return sequel or Man of Steel? Well, no,
I still like Man still more than this, and if
you did a sequel, you would actively take that out, right,
So same thing. Maybe I'll see James gun Superman in
a month and we'll go, wow, this is an all timer.
If you got that McQuary one, this wouldn't exist, right,
the same way as like if Batman and Robin is
a hit, the Batman Begins does not exist. They go
out and make Batman Vengeance with Nicholas Cage's Scarecrow and
Madonna's Harley Quinn and and I'm sure there's aspects of
that that are fun and great, but to me, I
much prefer that Batman Begins. So that's where it's like
we all have to see now again. Cut to this
in a month. If I'm here, given James Gunn Superman
a six out of ten, you're damn right.
Speaker 2: I wish there was a Christopher McCrory Superman, you know.
So it's all about perspective.
Speaker 1: But I trust James Gunn like I I don't think
that could be any at least a seven point five.
If it's lower than seven point five, I'm I'm pretty worried.
Speaker 2: Do you have do you have a scale?
Speaker 1: What you think at least Superman's gonna be with the
creative team they have right now?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm I'm willing to say it'll probably be at
least to seven.
Speaker 2: At least a seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, So anything lower than seven, that's when you're starting
to be a little let down by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no room for error, and.
Speaker 2: That no no room for error. So yeah, so we
will be actually, no, we just took our ha, No
we didn't.
Speaker 1: So we'll take our next ad break and we'll be
right back