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Speaker 6: No, I can't absolutely guarantee.
Speaker 7: I'm us phoned us who sent that thing.
Speaker 8: Of course, Symbias didn't come here by accident.
Speaker 4: They were running.
Speaker 5: From what what's his name?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: No, we have something ins longest less everything will end.
Speaker 5: Maybe we need a disguise.
Speaker 1: Why did you keep rocking people out?
Speaker 6: As long as you.
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Speaker 8: This world can't survive you stay together.
Speaker 5: But I needed.
Speaker 6: You're bad people were always.
Speaker 4: There comes a time in every man's life where.
Speaker 5: You have to make a sacrifice. I'm with you to
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Speaker 4: You.
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Speaker 6: I welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike
Speaker 6: White on this special crossover event. I am joined by
Speaker 6: the Culture cast Christashue wee on I am also joined
Speaker 6: by Midnight Viewings Antonio.
Speaker 8: Yep, now you doing?
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me and Midnight Viewings Father alone.
Speaker 7: This movie doesn't represent the Lamb diminishing returns. It represents
Speaker 7: a of my increasing rage.
Speaker 6: Oh my get ready to dive into the chaotic and
Speaker 6: thrilling world of Venom The Last Dance. In this episode,
Speaker 6: we unraveled the wild journey of Eddie Brock and his
Speaker 6: iconic symbiote as they faced their toughest battles yet. From
Speaker 6: intense confrontations to unexpected alliances, we'll explore the story's dark
Speaker 6: twists and the shocking fate that awaits. Join us as
Speaker 6: we dissect the gripping narrative, mind blowing visuals, and unforgettable
Speaker 6: moments that to find this epic chapter. Fans, this one's
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Speaker 3: Oh Chris, where the fuck did that come from? Did
Speaker 3: you have AI right that for you?
Speaker 6: Chris? What did you think of Venom three aka Venom
Speaker 6: The Last Dance?
Speaker 3: I was disappointed that there wasn't enough Michael Jordan in
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 9: Isn't that not what this is?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: The Last Dance reference there was that Michael Jordan documentary
Speaker 3: that came out like two years ago. That wasn't Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan The Last Dance. I know what they're getting at
Speaker 3: with the title of the movie. I found this to
Speaker 3: be a very oddly homosexual film in a way that
Speaker 3: the other Venom movies, at least the second and third
Speaker 3: one were. The first one not so much, but definitely
Speaker 3: the second one. The first one was like, Hey, we
Speaker 3: have to have a love interest, and then the last
Speaker 3: two have been like, the love interest is venom. That's
Speaker 3: the point, y'all.
Speaker 8: Doesn't the second one have a whole plot about them
Speaker 8: breaking up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then this one is the death of the relationship,
Speaker 3: the sacrifice of one for the other. I think I
Speaker 3: probably enjoyed it more than at least Father Malone, but
Speaker 3: he let the cat out of the mag early. I
Speaker 3: don't know about y'all. I thought it was fun. I
Speaker 3: actually enjoyed these Venom movies a fair amount. I think
Speaker 3: that Tom Hardy as Venom is a weird choice that works.
Speaker 3: I think that there's some cheats in this movie that
Speaker 3: are cheats, and I think we were now seeing the
Speaker 3: multi versus cheats, and I'm sick and fucking tired of it,
Speaker 3: kind of like Venom says in the movie, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: this multi versus shit. Yeah, me too, dude. Other than that,
Speaker 3: I thought it was a perfectly fine movie. It is
Speaker 3: a very weird.
Speaker 9: Comic book movie for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: But I will say, for as much as Marvel's stuff,
Speaker 3: Marvel's MCU stuff has been very say me, which it
Speaker 3: has for quite some time now, at least the Sony's stuff,
Speaker 3: the Sony Spider Man stuff, as bad as most of
Speaker 3: it has been cough the damn web cough, Morbius, at
Speaker 3: least they're like entertaining in a very strange way. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're good, They're just entertaining. And who
Speaker 3: the fuck is making a comic book movie like this
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, because these have sensibilities of those
Speaker 3: early two thousand Spider Man movies or early two thousand
Speaker 3: superhero movies like those X Men movies and the Spider
Speaker 3: Man movies and the Fantastic Four movies. Even so, I
Speaker 3: think it's a weird movie. Again, I don't know what
Speaker 3: to make of a movie where they have a dance
Speaker 3: number with that. Again, well, it's not for everybody. I
Speaker 3: think in a lot of ways it will be yet
Speaker 3: another weird entry into Sony's Spider Man, whatever the hell
Speaker 3: they're doing without Spider Man. But I thought it was
Speaker 3: fun within reason, and it's only an hour and a half,
Speaker 3: which is nice compared to every other MCU thing, which
Speaker 3: quocks in it two hours bare minimum because because why,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: And Antonio, how about yourself?
Speaker 8: I felt like it was an eighties movie. I had
Speaker 8: that kind of vibe to and I think that's what
Speaker 8: it was, an eighties buddy movie, either on the road
Speaker 8: or YadA YadA YadA. Here's a stupid musical number for
Speaker 8: no reason here running into the lady from the last movie,
Speaker 8: just randomly playing poker on one of the machines. I
Speaker 8: just it was terrible. I ain't gonna lie. It's not
Speaker 8: a great movie. I haven't liked any of them. But
Speaker 8: if you separate yourself from it being Venom, I guess
Speaker 8: it's a pretty entertaining monster comedy. That's how plays. But
Speaker 8: you know, I was nine, ten or eleven whenever when
Speaker 8: Venom dropped, right, I remember that first issue that I
Speaker 8: had with him, and it was I didn't get the
Speaker 8: first I didn't have that three hundred ish and number
Speaker 8: three hundred of Spider Man, but I had one or
Speaker 8: two afterwards that have kidnapped Mary Jane and as the
Speaker 8: first time I had seen Farlan draw Spider Man, and
Speaker 8: I was blown away from him, like I had seen
Speaker 8: him in other stuff at DC, and he was this
Speaker 8: was his arch nemesis. He was this evil kind of character.
Speaker 8: And even when they storm shadowed him in the nineties there,
Speaker 8: like when it turned him into a good guy out
Speaker 8: of nowhere, he still had a redemp shit arc. He's okay,
Speaker 8: So I was this awful guy and I'm trying to
Speaker 8: do better now movie Venom, it just is. I don't
Speaker 8: think Spider Man three is all that great, but I
Speaker 8: do tell for graces ven him and liked his evil
Speaker 8: Peter Parker he was a jerk. It was a reason
Speaker 8: for that hatred towards him, obviously. That just the thing
Speaker 8: just dropping out of the sky while Peter Parker's writing
Speaker 8: his book. It's ridiculous, but it looked cool. It looked
Speaker 8: like body Horror a little bit. And this one saying
Speaker 8: they aren't very gross, it's very courriage and Eric cg.
Speaker 8: I don't know what noll is. They just said, Okay,
Speaker 8: here's this force from another dimension? Is thats a crossover
Speaker 8: with Spider Man down and then ad finally you have
Speaker 8: the delight of having the guy from ted Lasso in
Speaker 8: that movie and you use it for three minutes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of ted
Speaker 3: Lasso in this movie. To be fair, Do you know Temples? Also?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You know Temples?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what did. They were just like, hey, ted
Speaker 3: Lasso's popular. We'll just put like half of the main
Speaker 3: cast from that show in this movie, all right.
Speaker 8: Not gonna lie. I did a day of background on it,
Speaker 8: and I did the scene where they show up in Vegas.
Speaker 8: I was there, but I'm not in the movie at all.
Speaker 8: My buddy and Pather Malone's call match. Chef Road is
Speaker 8: an actor in town. She you see him. He's walked
Speaker 8: behind in a two shot there, he walks behind Tom
Speaker 8: Hardy and Recei fens but I like Receives. I thought
Speaker 8: he was gonna be the lizard. They kick him out. Yes,
Speaker 8: he wasn't the lizard.
Speaker 6: He was just some rando.
Speaker 8: Tom Hardy At the point that Chris brought up Tom
Speaker 8: Hardy is really good though, like he makes the movie entertaining.
Speaker 8: Venom is a creature, is entertaining. The men might grow
Speaker 8: up in a comic book with, but Tom Hardy is
Speaker 8: just like weird. Eddy's fun. Tom Hardy reminds me of
Speaker 8: Nicholas Cage and that anything that they're gonna be in
Speaker 8: the performance is gonna be weird enough that you're gonna
Speaker 8: at least be entertained by it and go for ninety minutes.
Speaker 8: That's great too, That's what that eightieth movie thing came
Speaker 8: from terms of me and Father Malone.
Speaker 7: How about you, sir, I'm gonna just start with what
Speaker 7: I liked about the movie. The xenophage, the creatures that
Speaker 7: are hunting them when they eat somebody they like arisol
Speaker 7: the blood out of the back of their head. That
Speaker 7: was awesome. I like seeing Elena Ubach in anything, even
Speaker 7: as misguided as their character is here in the movie.
Speaker 7: And I guess that's about it, Tom Hardy, I'll be yes.
Speaker 7: And the look of Venom himself, like, I just kept
Speaker 7: wondering why this movie is called Venom because we don't
Speaker 7: really get a lot of him. I kept wondering why
Speaker 7: it wasn't just Venom most of the time and Tom
Speaker 7: Hardy popping out every once in a while instead of
Speaker 7: the reverse. There seems to be less and less of
Speaker 7: Venom in these movies, rather unusual, and to hear the
Speaker 7: conceit is that they can't even bond because that attracts
Speaker 7: the creatures, so they've given themselves this excuse not to
Speaker 7: fully Venom. I don't know if that's a budget constraint
Speaker 7: or whatever. But the thing where they have Venom's head
Speaker 7: talking to him, I think is great, and I know
Speaker 7: they started that in the previous one, but their friendship
Speaker 7: is fantastic. But to Antonio's point, this ain't Venom.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: I owned an action figure of Venom that, when you
Speaker 7: pushed a button said I want to eat you a breeze.
Speaker 7: That's Venom. Also, by the way, part of the retro
Speaker 7: fitting of Venom in the nineteen nineties was Null, the
Speaker 7: creator of the symbiates and the.
Speaker 9: Z that's way more recent than the nineties.
Speaker 3: That's like in the last ten years, which is fucking
Speaker 3: wild that they introduce it here, because so much of
Speaker 3: what they've done with Venom up until this point has
Speaker 3: just been nineties stuff. And then they're like, oh, by
Speaker 3: the way, here is the King of the Symbiotes, which
Speaker 3: is a thing that literally, I'm not even joking. I
Speaker 3: one it was a thing that was in the last
Speaker 3: ten years because they did a big marvel for the
Speaker 3: entire universe. They did an entire event and he it
Speaker 3: was like Planet Venom or something to that effect, and
Speaker 3: he was the main villain in that. But to your point,
Speaker 3: all it does is they, oh, now Venom's a good
Speaker 3: guy in everything.
Speaker 9: Venom's a good guy.
Speaker 3: There's no villain Venom anymore in anything, even in the
Speaker 3: comic books now because of this character, and now they're
Speaker 3: doing it in the movies as well.
Speaker 8: But if he started being a villain in the nineties though,
Speaker 8: that whole lethal Protector something like, all.
Speaker 9: The Symbiotes are good guys.
Speaker 3: Is my point. It's not just Venom, it's now you're saying,
Speaker 3: the way they've treated it in the comic book is
Speaker 3: the way they're treating it in the movie, where all
Speaker 3: the Symbiotes are seemingly heroes and the villain is this
Speaker 3: overarching character. So, oh, we just understand that the symbiotes.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves the Symbiotes. Duh, of course we do. But
Speaker 3: that's that oversaturation thing. They just wanted to have Captain
Speaker 3: America's Venom and Iron Man his Venom, and Hulk is Venom,
Speaker 3: which happened in the comic book as well.
Speaker 8: By the way, Dad Nogay, he just looks like Japanese
Speaker 8: is video game cut scene to look like a final
Speaker 8: Fantasy game or something with that hair and chromatic pauses
Speaker 8: or anything of that. Like, is that supposed to crossover
Speaker 8: into Tom Hollins MCU universe or whatever.
Speaker 7: It's quite clear this entire movie is the setup for
Speaker 7: a new trilogy of Symbiot movies.
Speaker 9: With Juno Temple as the lead.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's all I was the entire time. I was like,
Speaker 7: this does not feel like the third film in a trilogy.
Speaker 7: This feels like the prologue for future adventures of the
Speaker 7: Symbias in the Sony universe.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so what did you think?
Speaker 8: Bike?
Speaker 6: Apparently I liked this movie a lot more than y'all did.
Speaker 3: I seem to enjoy it quite a bit. I'm with you.
Speaker 6: I went back and rewatched the first two, which I've
Speaker 6: seen several times, mostly the first one. I'm not huge
Speaker 6: on Carnage. My background with Venom is I was there
Speaker 6: for the Secret Wars the first one and the Black
Speaker 6: Suit and the Beyonder giving that to them, and all
Speaker 6: these things, and then Spider Man waking up very tired
Speaker 6: in the morning, doesn't know what's going on, finding out
Speaker 6: that Symbio has life, goes to the Baxter building, gets
Speaker 6: it removed. Eventually Venom arrives. But I think I was
Speaker 6: out of comic books by the time even Carnage showed up.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Venom was still a bad guy when I
Speaker 6: was reading comics, and Carnage was the bad guy coming
Speaker 6: out of all that. I really had hoped for more
Speaker 6: when it came to that witty Harrelson movie, even though
Speaker 6: that was absolutely ridiculous, especially that they changed his hair
Speaker 6: between the first movie and the second movie with that
Speaker 6: amazing Ronald McDonald wig that he was wearing.
Speaker 3: That was my biggest disappointment with that second movie. Be
Speaker 3: like Carnage, I'm just an average guy with a really
Speaker 3: big dick.
Speaker 8: But it's just a hit that. But Mike brings up
Speaker 8: an interesting point is that he was out of a
Speaker 8: comics by tin Carnage shut up and stuff like. That's
Speaker 8: when I was like a high school kid or whatever,
Speaker 8: and that was a multi media event. There was no movie,
Speaker 8: but there was a Carnage Maximum Carnage video game, there
Speaker 8: was a Sega game, and there was a coin op
Speaker 8: it ended up on. When we ended up on the cartoon,
Speaker 8: it was like this big event. It was a huge thing,
Speaker 8: and I think you just see all of this Vendom
Speaker 8: stuff and all these Sydians and Spider Man's not there.
Speaker 8: There's no reference to Spider Man anywhere, and it just,
Speaker 8: I don't know, it just takes away from it's hard
Speaker 8: for me to I know, for without Spider Man.
Speaker 6: That was a really weird thing to have that extra
Speaker 6: scene at the end of Venom two where Eddie suddenly
Speaker 6: goes into the main MCU universe timeline and sees j
Speaker 6: Jonah Jamison sees Tom Holland as Spider Man on the TV,
Speaker 6: and it just it doesn't make sense unless Eddie Brock
Speaker 6: is the same Eddie Brock as Toe for Grace. It
Speaker 6: doesn't make sense for him to have been transported to
Speaker 6: that universe because it's only for people who know the
Speaker 6: identity of Spider Man, so him showing up really doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense. Same thing with Electro to be a nitpicker,
Speaker 6: it really should have been Vulture showing up in that universe.
Speaker 3: But remember when Vulture showed up at the end of
Speaker 3: More Vius. Yes, I should make any sense, and that
Speaker 3: was Vulture from the MCU. Yeah, once again, and.
Speaker 6: He doesn't even know what the hell he's doing there.
Speaker 6: But yeah, this whole thing and that I love how
Speaker 6: they just undo it within the first five minutes of
Speaker 6: Venom three. Okay, and yeah, to see who is it Sammy? No,
Speaker 6: I can't remember the name of the angel the football
Speaker 6: is Life guy A. Yes, that was so great to
Speaker 6: see him show up, and I was super excited. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but that was funny. And yet they set up so
Speaker 6: many challenges for themselves as far as we can't go
Speaker 6: back to San Francisco, we can't go to New York.
Speaker 6: I kept thinking that they were going to finally end
Speaker 6: up in New York. And yeah, this whole thing of
Speaker 6: we can't be Venom because these creatures will know that
Speaker 6: we're around, but we do become Venom just in order
Speaker 6: to kick the plot into gear. But I don't know,
Speaker 6: I still like it. It's dumb as donkey dick, as
Speaker 6: the kids say, but I really like these movies. And
Speaker 6: I even liked the Reesa fans part even though Yeah,
Speaker 6: to your point, Antonio, I thought that he was maybe
Speaker 6: gonna turn into lizard and then having chew ATel Edgya
Speaker 6: for him here too, like, oh, is he a secret
Speaker 6: wizard here?
Speaker 3: It's weird how many people who have been in other
Speaker 3: MCU things are in this movie. However, I will say
Speaker 3: at this point it's a very short list of people
Speaker 3: that haven't been in the MCU.
Speaker 7: Thirty MCU movies, Like everyone's fucking been in them by now,
Speaker 7: so of course they're gonna start crossing over. And that's
Speaker 7: my point with chaiwtel eisenfor he's playing Rex Strickland, who
Speaker 7: is like a major character now or at least for
Speaker 7: a while with he has bonded with a symbiote and
Speaker 7: is like an ass kicker, and they just spoilers everybody.
Speaker 7: They just fucking waste him. At the end of this movie,
Speaker 7: I was like, why did they even call him Strickland?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was odd because even for me not
Speaker 6: being part of the comics culture for the last few years,
Speaker 6: I still knew the name. I was like, oh, major Strickland, Okay,
Speaker 6: I know that guy.
Speaker 8: I guess I can I quit The actor crossover till
Speaker 8: reading John Byrne comics in the eighties when I was
Speaker 8: a kid, where you know, he just drew Superman and
Speaker 8: mister Fantastic for everybody. Maybe that's just it. Oh well,
Speaker 8: they just look alike.
Speaker 3: But also again, like literally at this point, to your point,
Speaker 3: father Malone, there's so many MCU movies, it's almost impossible
Speaker 3: to not have. But the problem is obviously now because
Speaker 3: they've opened up the multiverse box. If Recipens is in
Speaker 3: the movie, he must be a lizard or what you
Speaker 3: know what y'ell edgeer for, like he's fucking Mordoe. No,
Speaker 3: they're just new characters altogether. Because initially Recipens was going
Speaker 3: to play Clint Clint Clint Eastwood killed he was, and
Speaker 3: that was the initial rumor. But then it turns out
Speaker 3: it's just Andy serkis once again doing the voice.
Speaker 9: Of the character.
Speaker 7: No, the name of the planet is killed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so so it's so it's just Andy serkis
Speaker 3: once again doing the voice of a of a CGI character,
Speaker 3: just like he did in Star Wars.
Speaker 7: It's the new Panos. Everybody, Wait, once he gets out,
Speaker 7: things are going to be really bad in that Sony universe.
Speaker 6: Who could have been really bad? Is the god killer
Speaker 6: from or Love and Thunder talk about a wasted character.
Speaker 7: Just Clint is his own planet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he really reminds me of those two characters remind
Speaker 6: me of each other. Maybe it was the black and
Speaker 6: whiteness of it all or something, but I was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: another one of these dudes, and yeah, no resolution with him.
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 6: if we're going to make more of these Sony films
Speaker 6: or if now everything we'll find the revert over to
Speaker 6: Disney again. The last Deadpool that we watched was just
Speaker 6: that big love letter to Fox's attempts with the memories
Speaker 6: that Eddie has at the end of this film of
Speaker 6: him and Venom together. I was like, Okay, is this
Speaker 6: our last hurrah for this character before they go over
Speaker 6: to the Disney side of it?
Speaker 5: Hopefully he.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of that responsibility falls on Sony
Speaker 8: were joining capitalize a regular Marvilla universe with their crappy
Speaker 8: version and other attempts they've done, like Bloodshot or whatever
Speaker 8: it is we mean that has a lot to do.
Speaker 8: I think it is Marvel's product up until recently has
Speaker 8: been pretty consistently. Actually, I want Marvel's product now is
Speaker 8: about the same it was ten years ago. It's just
Speaker 8: these are new characters, so there's a bit more scrutiny
Speaker 8: out of it. And the funny thing is with the
Speaker 8: new stuff, I didn't like the stuff that most people don't.
Speaker 8: I thought Sheield was great, I thought Miss Marvel was great.
Speaker 8: That I don't like Loki kind of at the end
Speaker 8: of the day, it's all of the taste. But I
Speaker 8: think so many just with their crappy product.
Speaker 7: You know, unt and Coney, you said this movie reminded
Speaker 7: you of a movie from the eighties. This reminded me
Speaker 7: specifically of a canon attempt at making a superhero movie
Speaker 7: like circa nineteen eighties, having the script, particularly just a
Speaker 7: random honchponge and let's throw this in, and oh, let's
Speaker 7: have a dance sequence here, and oh, you know, let's
Speaker 7: have this scene where Eddie makes a margarita with flipping
Speaker 7: bottles and Tequila is playing, well, speed it up action
Speaker 7: like Benny Ill style.
Speaker 8: I did.
Speaker 7: This movie was confusing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a hodgepot. It was like they got
Speaker 8: the rights to the character but didn't quite read all
Speaker 8: the stuff, and they just picked and chose what they
Speaker 8: thought it was gonna be. Like, I had a real
Speaker 8: Revenge of swamp thing via to it, but just swamp
Speaker 8: thing is damn good though.
Speaker 7: But no, you know, it reminds me of that Dolf
Speaker 7: Lundgren punisher. Okay, he has a Shakespearean friend and he
Speaker 7: lives in a sewer. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Why not?
Speaker 7: Did you read the comics?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 7: Who cares?
Speaker 8: Yeah? With that opening seat of that Dolph Lander Punisher
Speaker 8: is just fantastic where he chills all those mobsters in
Speaker 8: that house. Well, that's great. And that fight at the
Speaker 8: end against the ECUs I was pretty good too. Man,
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie, but they never get the punisher
Speaker 8: right anyways, Loos, So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Well, that's the question that I have speaking of that.
Speaker 3: So you're you're both talking about the fact that this
Speaker 3: is not venom the way that venom is in the
Speaker 3: comic books. This is gonna this is just me coming
Speaker 3: at this. That doesn't bother me anymore because I don't
Speaker 3: really care because it's the movie and the comic book exists.
Speaker 7: The shitty movie.
Speaker 3: However, again, that's a more subjective thing. I'm more talking
Speaker 3: to the idea of if this were the MCU and
Speaker 3: that were the criticism, I would get it because I
Speaker 3: hold the MCU to a different standard, because the MCU
Speaker 3: is trying to be the film definitive version of the characters,
Speaker 3: the same way the comic book base universe in the
Speaker 3: comic book is trying to be the through line character
Speaker 3: of Iron Man as he is and has been since
Speaker 3: he was introduced. Because there is still the original universe
Speaker 3: of the characters, ultimate universe and everything else aside, it
Speaker 3: doesn't bother me so much anymore. I understand. I get it.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, if this were the MCU
Speaker 3: version of Venom and he were this weird ass character,
Speaker 3: I would agree. I think if the MCU ever does it,
Speaker 3: which I assume and hope that they do, because this
Speaker 3: movie makes it pretty clear that this is not going
Speaker 3: to be the Venom of the MCU. Thankfully, this is
Speaker 3: black stuff on the bar and the other that's in
Speaker 3: this universe.
Speaker 9: It gets left.
Speaker 7: We left a bit of himself in the last one.
Speaker 3: But they didn't, but they didn't show it in this movie.
Speaker 8: Probably do but the Spider Man movie.
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if they like I think they might
Speaker 3: have rent conned that out of the movie.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I agree, But my point being like I
Speaker 3: think if there is going to be a Venom in
Speaker 3: the MCU, they will probably do something more akin to
Speaker 3: the original run of the character. And I don't think
Speaker 3: they've done it yet. I think that they will do
Speaker 3: it at some point. And for me, like I said,
Speaker 3: I understand the criticisms though this isn't Venom the way
Speaker 3: I wanted it to be, But for me, it's this
Speaker 3: is more just Tom Hardy being fucking Tom Hardy and
Speaker 3: being weird.
Speaker 9: It's again, the.
Speaker 3: Problem with this movie really is that the name of
Speaker 3: the movie is Venom.
Speaker 9: That's the real problem.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing. I've been very vocal that I love
Speaker 7: every version cinematic version of a character, just like I
Speaker 7: love every version of a comic book. Different artists, different
Speaker 7: writers take the characters in different directions. I have no
Speaker 7: truck with them not adhering to the comic book. In fact,
Speaker 7: I think Marvel the cinematic Marvel works so well because
Speaker 7: they don't adhere to the character. They very quickly change
Speaker 7: anything for their characters. So long as Bucky's like a
Speaker 7: twelve year old boy in the comic books, So I
Speaker 7: think that's what works mainly with that.
Speaker 8: You know why I think the Marvel universe works so
Speaker 8: well is because, Oh, Kevin the Maaster. I don't know
Speaker 8: if you guys have watched that show, the Franchise on HBO,
Speaker 8: but what's behind the scenes backstage of a superhero franchise
Speaker 8: movie event and the Kevin Viggy figures always living up
Speaker 8: somewhere from his assistant. But the cool thing about Kevin
Speaker 8: Vaggy is Kevin Vage likes these characters. Ken Puggy likes
Speaker 8: the comic books, he likes the like he likes it.
Speaker 8: And I think the more successful Marvel movies usually work
Speaker 8: with people behind them. Then when they like the characters,
Speaker 8: I think, and you can see that people making these
Speaker 8: Venom movies, it feels like they just don't like them
Speaker 8: very much.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna do whatever with it.
Speaker 8: That's the vibe I get. But you watch an MCU movie,
Speaker 8: you can tell that at the top there's a real
Speaker 8: love for what Jack Kirby and Steve Viddo and stan
Speaker 8: Lee created.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised since we are headed towards a
Speaker 6: secret worst movie. I wouldn't be surprised. If they pulled
Speaker 6: out Venom, then that seems like it'd be a good
Speaker 6: time to also pay a little homage to the original,
Speaker 6: as long as they change out beyond her and that
Speaker 6: incredible white man perm.
Speaker 7: That he had going on.
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a fourth Spider Man MCU movie coming.
Speaker 3: They just announced it recently. Who knows if it will
Speaker 3: be It could be Venom again. They haven't said anything
Speaker 3: other than there will be a fourth Spider Man movie,
Speaker 3: which would lead me to believe they'll probably be a
Speaker 3: fifth and a sixth Spider Man movie.
Speaker 5: Ok.
Speaker 8: Take a second. The Tom Holland is so good as
Speaker 8: Spider Man. Yeah, Like he is like that when I
Speaker 8: was a kid. That that's who was in my head
Speaker 8: floating around is what Tom Holland is doing. Man, Like
Speaker 8: he's the spectacular. I'm excited to see him to be
Speaker 8: college Spider Man now having all these girl Bertha this stuff.
Speaker 6: But we'll finally get a chance maybe to me Felicia
Speaker 6: Hardy and some of these other love interests that he us.
Speaker 8: I was like, Oh, I'm so down on my luck,
Speaker 8: but look at my parade of really hot.
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly, I'm not gonna like what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you pulled Stacy and Mary Jane. How the hell
Speaker 6: did you do that? What can't procuct?
Speaker 8: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. I wonder have they
Speaker 3: had a Norman Osbourne. They haven't had Norman Osbourne.
Speaker 8: Harry and Norman are gonna be on the Freshman Year cartoon.
Speaker 6: Harry, he was in the third movie. He showed up
Speaker 6: because I was yet another villain in the New Goblin.
Speaker 6: And then we had that awful the kid from the
Speaker 6: Chronicle that looked.
Speaker 9: Like he was Dan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're black on the cartoon. I think, Oh interesting, Harry. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm writing an angry tweet about that right now. I
Speaker 6: can't stand African American people.
Speaker 8: They willam was Norman when he's I don't exist? When
Speaker 8: did that universe? That's what else?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: They haven't introduced those characters yet. And in the Spider
Speaker 3: Man video game they actually take an interesting route and
Speaker 3: they actually have Harry Osbourne is venom in the video game.
Speaker 7: In everybody in the comics at this point.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's been flashed Thompson And yeah, right now
Speaker 3: in the comic book, Eddie Brock is Carnage.
Speaker 6: I believe he's courage that Venom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he has Eddie Brock hasn't been Venom for
Speaker 3: quite some time.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I'm thinking Nettle the venom Ned's going to
Speaker 8: be Venom or Hobgoblin or something like that at some point.
Speaker 7: Oh, I actually assume Need's gonna be Hobgoblin.
Speaker 6: That would be interesting. Eddie Brock is an interesting character
Speaker 6: in these movies, and that he's not that bright, going
Speaker 6: back to even the second Venom movie, when Venom is
Speaker 6: basically teaching him how to be a reporter and gives
Speaker 6: them all the clues about where these bodies are buried.
Speaker 6: He looks at all these obscure drawings that whaty Harrelson
Speaker 6: is doing, Kletus is doing and brings us back and
Speaker 6: draws them all out. And I kind of like that
Speaker 6: Eddie is he's pretty much a fuck up when it's
Speaker 6: basically both of them. In the first movie, Venom talks
Speaker 6: about how he's a loser on his own planet, and
Speaker 6: I like it's these two losers together and having these
Speaker 6: delusions Brander, these delusions of what's their team up name
Speaker 6: Lethal and Leith Protector. Yeah, just I think that's great
Speaker 6: that they are these schlubs and really everything that can
Speaker 6: go wrong does go wrong for them. I that quite
Speaker 6: a bit, and I didn't mind the whole idea of
Speaker 6: bringing all the symbiotes together and having that big fight
Speaker 6: at the end. I can see where some people would
Speaker 6: say that was a ridiculous fight, but I thought it
Speaker 6: was great. I really like to see all the venoms,
Speaker 6: all the symbiotes going at it. I thought that was
Speaker 6: pretty cool, and I was. It was like a little
Speaker 6: bit like, oh, I've seen a two headed symbiote before,
Speaker 6: I've seen this, the one that you know Temple plays.
Speaker 6: I think I've seen Guy or Yeah. I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 6: these are cool character designed, So that was nice to
Speaker 6: see them.
Speaker 3: And they're pretty true to the comics too.
Speaker 9: They're very.
Speaker 3: Straight up pretty much, I would say upconverted versions. They
Speaker 3: don't do much with them, which is nice if they
Speaker 3: made some broad, sweeping changes and tried to do that
Speaker 3: fan forestick version where it's gonna be more body horror
Speaker 3: and realistically, I think I might have been checked out
Speaker 3: from a movie like this because this movie feels cartoony.
Speaker 3: It feels like a live action cartoon in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, almost almost to the point where I wish
Speaker 3: it had been more, but I feel like then it
Speaker 3: would just be like the straight comedy and people would
Speaker 3: probably have checked out even more. But I would almost
Speaker 3: go as far as to say the tone of these
Speaker 3: movies is like a comedic superhero movie. They're like like
Speaker 3: straight up comedies almost right.
Speaker 6: This whole movie is about shoes from the very beginning
Speaker 6: of the film. He's got the shoes, he loses those,
Speaker 6: he gets these other shoes, he loses those. Even when
Speaker 6: he's being pulled out of that Vegas pen house, he
Speaker 6: goes my shoes. And then even when we see and
Speaker 6: I can't remember the actress's name, but she's Genotemple's assistant,
Speaker 6: Christmas Tree, Like the first thing we see her do
Speaker 6: is coming to her office, take off her shoes, put
Speaker 6: these shoes on the shelf, and there's such a prominent
Speaker 6: close up of the shoes, and I think that's supposed
Speaker 6: to tip us off later when she's wearing these ugly
Speaker 6: black crocs coming down into the laboratory and those are
Speaker 6: venom and so I'm like, five minutes before that, I
Speaker 6: leaned over to my wife and I was just like,
Speaker 6: this whole movie's obsessed with shoes. And then that her
Speaker 6: shoes were venom. Yeah, that's just proves my point.
Speaker 8: And Eddie took those shoes at the end.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very Quentin Tarantino of the.
Speaker 6: Movie, obsessed with shoes, not with feet.
Speaker 7: We get a whole lot of different variations of Venom here.
Speaker 7: We get the venom horse and a venom frog and
Speaker 7: a venom fish, and none of them do anything, and
Speaker 7: they all just hint that could have been an entirely
Speaker 7: different movie with Venom doing horrible things. During the end
Speaker 7: credits they have even further variations. At one point they
Speaker 7: show a venom elephant and I thought, where was the
Speaker 7: venom elephant rampaging through a fucking city? Like, why were
Speaker 7: we at decommissioned Area fifty one? This fucking nonsense with this,
Speaker 7: It's Chekhov's giant acid bath machine. If you introduce it
Speaker 7: in the opening, you have to use it in the end,
Speaker 7: and they sure do.
Speaker 6: Jesus, I don't even know why he was assetting, whether
Speaker 6: he was assetting at the beginning.
Speaker 7: I was like, what is the the truck?
Speaker 6: Okay, sure, I don't know why, but okay, and.
Speaker 7: If that's the method that they were using to destroy things,
Speaker 7: then Why was it taking as long as it was?
Speaker 7: It seems like that was one day's work and no more.
Speaker 7: Area fifty one when you're using the acid bath.
Speaker 8: I feel like a lot of stuff that happened in
Speaker 8: this movie or a result of studio notes, Well, what's
Speaker 8: your missus Lee or what is that her name?
Speaker 6: No, missus Yeah, I think it is missus Lee.
Speaker 8: Yeah, its sorry. I feel like this movie needs something
Speaker 8: fun and they just say okay, Jesus a vagus.
Speaker 7: I actually think that it's Tom Hardy's contribution to the
Speaker 7: script myself.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, he has story by credits.
Speaker 7: And a screenplay by a person who could not make
Speaker 7: a decent screenplay out of Twilight fan fiction because she
Speaker 7: wrote that fifty Shades of Gray at that taste?
Speaker 3: Have you read the starting material?
Speaker 8: Anyone?
Speaker 7: You can only go up is my point.
Speaker 4: Hunt.
Speaker 6: You can only polish a turd so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, yeah, that bottom alone. I think you're really
Speaker 3: giving fifty Shades of Gray way more credit, because if
Speaker 3: you've read it, I don't think there's any up you
Speaker 3: can go from.
Speaker 9: Reverse.
Speaker 3: Speaking of things that are strange, why are the characters
Speaker 3: from Paul in this movie? Is that's what the Reese
Speaker 3: Ethan's character reminds me of Oh okay, because oh, we're
Speaker 3: going to go to Area fifty one to look for aliens.
Speaker 9: Like where is this coming from?
Speaker 7: For episode one, two, and three of of this prologue
Speaker 7: that we just watched.
Speaker 9: It's very strange. But how do they factor into any
Speaker 9: of this?
Speaker 7: I'm sure they already have it sorted out, but no.
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely asking in what does any of their characters
Speaker 3: matter at all?
Speaker 7: Reese Ephon's is going to end up being a symbiote
Speaker 7: host and a bad one, and I don't know it
Speaker 7: writes itself, I guess.
Speaker 3: So it's just so odd to me that there's this
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's this like family of the
Speaker 3: Tobias Funke family banned all of a sudden, it's just
Speaker 3: traveling the country because Area fifty one is being decommissioned.
Speaker 3: It's like I expected Seth Green from the X Files
Speaker 3: to be with them. Whoa man, I want to go
Speaker 3: see the lights a gain a studio now.
Speaker 7: The summer of nineteen eighty eight, Cannon Films presents Venom.
Speaker 3: Remember the Weed and Justice League had a very similar
Speaker 3: thing with that Russian family at the end that the
Speaker 3: flash has to say.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, weed and threw that in there just
Speaker 7: because the notes from the previous movie were like stop
Speaker 7: killing everybody.
Speaker 6: It reminded me more of like a family that was
Speaker 6: in Mars attacks or Independence Day, so from early Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is necessarily a movie that's
Speaker 6: stuck in the eighties. I would say probably more like
Speaker 6: ninety five, ninety four or something around there.
Speaker 3: I've been saying it for ten damn years.
Speaker 9: They probed him sexually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little bit of Randy Quaid going on here.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem the movie knows what it wants to
Speaker 3: do in a lot of ways. It almost feels like vignettes.
Speaker 3: And again like such a weird to me, Antonio and
Speaker 3: Father Malone y'all talking about this doesn't feel like Venom.
Speaker 9: I agree.
Speaker 3: It feels like someone was like, all right, the last
Speaker 3: two movies, we've established this like weirdo version of venom.
Speaker 3: What would be interesting for him to do. Let's make
Speaker 3: a list of those things, and how can we cobble
Speaker 3: together a script that gets you from that point to
Speaker 3: that point? Because we haven't right on a horse. I
Speaker 3: have him fighting underwater where they're jumping around to the
Speaker 3: fish and the frogs, and then we have the symbio
Speaker 3: fight at the end of the movie. But I am
Speaker 3: more with you, Mike, like I enjoyed it because it's
Speaker 3: just I don't know, and Mike, this might rankle you
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 9: I go back to the joker fully ado of it all.
Speaker 3: I'm more content to watch weird failures of movies at
Speaker 3: this point than Deadpool Wolverine, which I was like, I
Speaker 3: will probably never watch again because I've seen so many
Speaker 3: clips of it on YouTube and everything else now of
Speaker 3: just everything from that movie over and over again that
Speaker 3: I'm sick and tired of hearing about it. And I
Speaker 3: would rather just watch a failure of a movie that
Speaker 3: is at least fucking bizarre and is bizarre and knows
Speaker 3: it's bizarre than one of these highly polished MCU movies
Speaker 3: that again, Deadpool Wolverine was all about the cameos, like
Speaker 3: that's ended up what it was being about, Like the
Speaker 3: plot of that movie was threadbare. This movie's trying to
Speaker 3: get to a big symbioe fight at the end of
Speaker 3: the movie. That's what this movie's trying to get to.
Speaker 3: And dead Pool Wolverine is trying to get to a
Speaker 3: scene where there's a bunch of characters walking on screen
Speaker 3: that you've never seen before or have seen before, and
Speaker 3: now they're in the MCU. I'm I would rather watch
Speaker 3: a movie that just fails spectacularly that a movie that
Speaker 3: feels like, oh, it's this highly polished product that is fine.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I go back
Speaker 3: to this problem that I've had.
Speaker 9: With Star Wars and other Marvel stuff.
Speaker 3: You guys have how much money?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Can I just got Chris. I'm sorry to jump in,
Speaker 7: but this movie costs one hundred and twenty fucking million dollars.
Speaker 7: So it's actually wildly offensive to me because all of
Speaker 7: the weird choices they're making all feel like they're fucking
Speaker 7: marketing choices. It all feels like safe things, like audiences
Speaker 7: like this will do this, and this is weird, and
Speaker 7: this is offbeat.
Speaker 9: It all does anymore, right, it all does.
Speaker 3: Even dead Pool Wolverine all feels like safe choices, is
Speaker 3: my point, Like all of its safe choices now, which
Speaker 3: is a fucking shame.
Speaker 7: I think Deadpool Wolverine was making better choices than this
Speaker 7: movie was making more outlandist choices that movie starts with
Speaker 7: the lead character using the other character's spine and skull
Speaker 7: to decimate and bludgeon and kill a bunch of characters.
Speaker 7: This movie would never do that, And that's the high
Speaker 7: point to that movie. You know what, there's a plot
Speaker 7: going on in that movie. And I liked Wolverine. That
Speaker 7: was finally good use of the multiverse where we took
Speaker 7: a Wolverine. It was total fucking failure and at least
Speaker 7: gave him a bit of redemption by the end. Like
Speaker 7: I liked that arc, particularly after the downer of Logan.
Speaker 8: I just for is a really entertaining piece of it,
Speaker 8: Like a really nice one shot, forty eight page comic
Speaker 8: that I would get when I was a kid. Is
Speaker 8: here's this team up and it's gonna be a lot
Speaker 8: of fun, and you're gonna have a really good time.
Speaker 8: But you're gonna really remember Wolverine's costume with.
Speaker 9: The end, probably not for the right reasons. Well, he's
Speaker 9: got the the the.
Speaker 8: It's a full comic book accurate Wolverine costume does any Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's about it. That's I think the most memorable thing
Speaker 8: that he's got. I still think it was fun, but
Speaker 8: it's not.
Speaker 3: I think this movie is as fun as that one.
Speaker 3: Me personally, I don't know, Mike. I think you and
Speaker 3: I are more on the same page with Venom. Did
Speaker 3: you enjoy this as much as you enjoyed dead Pool Wolverine?
Speaker 6: I think I enjoyed dead Pool Wolverine more. But to
Speaker 6: your point, I think I would rewatch this one sooner
Speaker 6: than I would Wolverine, just because once I learned who
Speaker 6: the cameos were and saw all of those come to life,
Speaker 6: It's okay. There are some good moments to it, but
Speaker 6: not nearly for me as many good moments as this one.
Speaker 6: I do like the riding of the forest, of course,
Speaker 6: reminds me of the riding of the motorcycle from the
Speaker 6: first one. I like the symbiote fight. I even liked
Speaker 6: the fight on top of the airplane, which was ridiculous.
Speaker 6: It is interesting when I was done watching this movie,
Speaker 6: the overly loud, drunk asshole behind me goose there's probably
Speaker 6: five hours worth of this movie on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 6: We barely saw any of this, and I'm like, what
Speaker 6: are you talking about. There's nothing that was left on
Speaker 6: the cutting room floor with us other than maybe they
Speaker 6: made it change because in the trailer, I seem to
Speaker 6: remember like debris coming down from space, and I guess
Speaker 6: it's those would you guys call them xenophages? Yeah, so
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, but they showed that, and
Speaker 6: they show somebody at a telescope looking and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: that's how they get to Earth. Or maybe this is
Speaker 6: more symbiotes. I honestly thought it was more symbiotes when
Speaker 6: I saw the trailer. But okay, there's nothing left on
Speaker 6: the cutting room floor, Dude, tell me what you think
Speaker 6: wasn't resolved by this, because other than a little bit
Speaker 6: more oh there's black goo remaining at the end, there's
Speaker 6: nothing here that suggests there's a longer movie. For me,
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: About you guys.
Speaker 3: Maybe some of that comes from the character of Nol
Speaker 3: just feeling if there is an issue that I really
Speaker 3: have with this movie, for me, it is that character
Speaker 3: of no being introduced, and it's like that feels like
Speaker 3: the Roman Bridger ret con of this movie, where it's
Speaker 3: like there's been this whole thing this whole time, and
Speaker 3: it's Scream three makes the joke about the ret con
Speaker 3: and going back and ret conning the first two movies,
Speaker 3: and that is what this movie does with the null character.
Speaker 3: There is a bigger threat and the symbiotes aren't the
Speaker 3: bad guys like way to pull a lot of what
Speaker 3: made the first two movies interesting was that the symbiotes
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily align on the side of these are like
Speaker 3: broadly good characters had carnage, you had.
Speaker 6: Whoever the Indian guy was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, first one toxin and the last one who Also,
Speaker 3: that's my other issue with this movie. What a weird
Speaker 3: usage of that character given what his given what he
Speaker 3: is in the comic books, which is talk about a
Speaker 3: usage of a character that is far from what the
Speaker 3: character in the comic book is who is and in
Speaker 3: the comic book is essentially just he's venom, who's good.
Speaker 3: From the start, it's essentially it's the same setup of
Speaker 3: he's a cop, but he's a cop who gets a symbiote.
Speaker 6: Detective Mulligan here, Oh okay, thank you for somebody finally
Speaker 6: fucking explaining what Chris is talking about.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand what you were asking, Mike, my bad,
Speaker 3: My bad, because I realized that they never say the
Speaker 3: name of the character in the movie.
Speaker 7: Don't know.
Speaker 9: That's the issue.
Speaker 3: And so same with the Agony, the character that Juno
Speaker 3: Temple ends up, the symbiode that she ends up playing.
Speaker 3: They never say the character's name in the movie. That's
Speaker 3: purely from the comic books, that's purely from the separation
Speaker 3: anxiety storyline.
Speaker 7: The annoying thing about adding Null to this is that
Speaker 7: that it seems like every character, every conversation is about Null.
Speaker 7: It's about Symbiote explaining this horrible threat that we never
Speaker 7: get to fucking deal with that.
Speaker 9: Just showed up in this movie. They've known about this
Speaker 9: whole time.
Speaker 3: They even mentioned multiple times he's older than the universe itself,
Speaker 3: and they haven't mentioned him up unto this point.
Speaker 9: That's fucking lazy. That's a hell of a retcon.
Speaker 3: And like I said, that, for me is the biggest
Speaker 3: failure of this movie is that the movie isn't just
Speaker 3: the end of the venom Eddie Brock storyline. This movie,
Speaker 3: for me, the biggest failure is that it sets up
Speaker 3: more movies. Not that I don't want them, but to
Speaker 3: your point, Father Malone, and to everyone's point, it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like a movie that's self contained. That for me
Speaker 3: is the biggest failure of the movie is that it
Speaker 3: should have just been the Venom story. And to your
Speaker 3: point before Father Malone about Deadpool making broader choices, I
Speaker 3: actually disagree. I think Deadpool Wolverine would have been a
Speaker 3: better movie if Wolverine hadn't been in it, because it
Speaker 3: would have been a weirder movie, because it would have
Speaker 3: been a Deadpool movie that would have been great in
Speaker 3: and of itself. But if it had just been a
Speaker 3: Deadpool three, I think it would have been a more
Speaker 3: interesting movie. And they had to undercut a lot of
Speaker 3: it for the Wolverine of it all. And I think
Speaker 3: similarly in this movie, it should have just been a
Speaker 3: Venom movie with some sort of threat that had been
Speaker 3: somewhat pre established. They established it at the end of
Speaker 3: the last movie. Why wasn't it just the Danny Rojas
Speaker 3: character as the final villain or something to that effect. Instead,
Speaker 3: they had to go and rope Andy Circus into this.
Speaker 3: That for me is the biggest failure. And to your point,
Speaker 3: it's like, like Antonio said, it's a cutaway to something else,
Speaker 3: like all of a sudden, CGI bullshit, and then we're
Speaker 3: back to again. There is CGI bullshit with the Venom character.
Speaker 3: But all of that with Null is taking place where
Speaker 3: Vecna is in Stranger Things. It's like this fucking other
Speaker 3: thing that's all CGI and you have a person standing
Speaker 3: on a green screen going pretend like you're scared or
Speaker 3: sit in a chair. And I think it hurts the
Speaker 3: plot of the movie because it should have just been
Speaker 3: the culmination of the Eddie Venom story and introducing this
Speaker 3: new threat that will continue on past this movie is like,
Speaker 3: why even have Venom die if he's just clearly gonna
Speaker 3: come back? I'm what is this the Walking Dead all
Speaker 3: of a sudden?
Speaker 8: But I like the point you made about Deadpool Wolverine though,
Speaker 8: because instead of getting Deadpool invading the Marvel Universe, invading
Speaker 8: the MCU and barreling his way through Iron Man movies
Speaker 8: and Captain America movies and it Halt movies and just
Speaker 8: being a nuisance to all the established characters, now we're
Speaker 8: just barreling through all these variations of Wolverine. Yeah, you
Speaker 8: make a very valid point. I can't really disagree with
Speaker 8: you there.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate. Like I'm not saying dead Poo Wolverine's a
Speaker 3: bad movie. It's a good movie for what they made,
Speaker 3: but it being Deadpool three, they undercut the movie by
Speaker 3: it being a Wolverine movie.
Speaker 9: And same with this movie.
Speaker 3: I was shocked when that ended up being a thing
Speaker 3: they revealed in one of the late trailers for this movie,
Speaker 3: cause I was like, holy shit, Like, why are they
Speaker 3: doing this in this movie? This is such a big
Speaker 3: deal in the comic books. It's like doing Red Skull
Speaker 3: in the first Captain America movie.
Speaker 9: What were you thinking?
Speaker 3: Like now, it's like, why are you doing this in
Speaker 3: the third movie when ostensibly it's supposed to be the
Speaker 3: end of the trilogy. Unless you're signaling, which they are,
Speaker 3: there will be more of these movies.
Speaker 6: I've gotten to the point now where I don't trust
Speaker 6: the mid credits and end credits sequences just because so
Speaker 6: many of them have been ignored over the years. Like
Speaker 6: not to say that I'm waiting for Harry Styles to
Speaker 6: enter the MCU or any of these other bullshit end
Speaker 6: scenes that they've had over the years.
Speaker 9: By Brett Gold speaking of Ted Lasso and Brett Gold.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I agree, that was just really poorly done.
Speaker 6: And you mentioned his face. I didn't see his face
Speaker 6: maybe yeah the very end, yes, But otherwise I'm looking
Speaker 6: at the guy's hairline, and I was just like, what
Speaker 6: is this guy's problem? Says he emit sound from the
Speaker 6: center of his forehead. How does this work? But yeah,
Speaker 6: I agree that was not a wise choice to have
Speaker 6: that as the big bad. Have somebody else trying to
Speaker 6: hunt ven or something. Maybe even the guy from the
Speaker 6: first movie comes back and does something. And to your
Speaker 6: point about Deadpool and Wolverine, at least Vanessa shows up
Speaker 6: for a few minutes. They don't Fridger like they did
Speaker 6: in the second film. But my god, it was always
Speaker 6: so amazing to see the caliber of actors in these
Speaker 6: Venom films, and this one is no exception. I love
Speaker 6: all the actors that we've mentioned so far, but even
Speaker 6: in the previous films, having Michelle Williams as Eddie's girlfriend, it's.
Speaker 8: Like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 9: Why? How are you doing that?
Speaker 6: You're like Oscar caliber actress.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're sheap at him at one point too.
Speaker 7: I agree with you guys as far as the end
Speaker 7: of a trilogy, This is a terrible way to end
Speaker 7: a trilogy. If you want to end a series of
Speaker 7: films and set up a bunch of other stuff. Marvel
Speaker 7: already did that with Captain America's Civil War, because that
Speaker 7: completes his story with Bucky, which is the sort of
Speaker 7: thrust of that entire series. And it's a completely self
Speaker 7: contained story. And at the end of it, the Shield
Speaker 7: is fucking smash to pieces, and there's places to go.
Speaker 7: There's a million threads that can be drawn from it.
Speaker 3: I wonder though, And here's something that maybe we should
Speaker 3: ask ourselves in twenty twenty four. Do trilogy rules apply anymore?
Speaker 3: Is that a thing? If we're gonna make three movies,
Speaker 3: does that necessarily mean we don't make a fourth at
Speaker 3: this day and age, That's what I'm asking twenty thirty
Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, Indiana Jones three, that's it. We got
Speaker 3: three movies, a trilogy of films. Alien had a quadrilogy.
Speaker 3: But my point being, like, I'm wondering if this is
Speaker 3: just the way that we think about movies needs to
Speaker 3: somewhat shift based on the MCU because of the way
Speaker 3: the MCU has been doing storytelling, because everything is interconnected,
Speaker 3: there isn't at least with the best of the MCU stuff.
Speaker 3: And look, I'm going to have a hot take here,
Speaker 3: and I don't really care if people disagree. I think
Speaker 3: the MCU should have ended at Endgame because a lot
Speaker 3: of the stuff since has been you said, diminishing returns,
Speaker 3: Father Malone.
Speaker 7: No diminishing returns is this movie, buddy, and not the MCU.
Speaker 9: But when we have things like the Eternals or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Quantum MAINEA I know, but I think Quantumnia is
Speaker 3: interesting for how weird it is. But I think for
Speaker 3: the MCU, they haven't really made a case for me
Speaker 3: why they didn't. Let me put it this way, it's
Speaker 3: not a hot take, I get it. For me, they
Speaker 3: haven't made a case as to why they continued past
Speaker 3: endgame because the multiverse stuff has been so muddled and directionless,
Speaker 3: and because of the Jonathan Majors of it all, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: they've had to really hardcore pivot on everything. And now
Speaker 3: we're seeing like, oh, Robert Towny Junior is Doctor Doom
Speaker 3: and all that, and that's fine. But for me, the
Speaker 3: MCU after Endgame has done very little to justify, like
Speaker 3: why they didn't just stop and reset again. I know
Speaker 3: they wouldn't because again, that's not something you do in
Speaker 3: movies as much as comic books.
Speaker 7: Saturday Our Lives should have ended in nineteen eighty Michael's
Speaker 7: Little Original cast of Saturday Note Dead. Oh lord, what
Speaker 7: do you want me to say?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Like? Oh, I get it.
Speaker 7: They've had thirty movies and the last seven have been bad.
Speaker 9: That's almost a third. That's a lot, and they're.
Speaker 7: Bad movies are fucking twenty times better than this movie.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I agree with that one.
Speaker 7: Okay, fine, put any of the Marvel movies against any
Speaker 7: of the Sony movies since they've been doing their bullshit, like.
Speaker 3: The worst MCU. What's the worst MCU movie by your approximation?
Speaker 7: Fucking Love and Thunder movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, So first off, I'd like to point out that
Speaker 3: is a post endgame movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, right, right, right, right?
Speaker 3: But I think what would you use? Okay, So let
Speaker 3: me ask a different question. What's the worst MCU movie
Speaker 3: per your approximation?
Speaker 7: Pre endgame Dark World?
Speaker 3: This movie is worse than Thor Dark World.
Speaker 7: This movie is worse than Thor Dark World. Yes, Thord
Speaker 7: Dark World is fucking committed to its story. It might
Speaker 7: be clumsy, it might be a little bit long winded
Speaker 7: and a little bit muddled in its direction at times,
Speaker 7: but I never felt like, what the fuck is going
Speaker 7: on here? Why is Andy Brock standing behind the bar
Speaker 7: fucking making a tequila with fucking tentacles right now? Well,
Speaker 7: what's his name? Just stands are going with?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 7: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: That's because again I think it goes back to the
Speaker 3: idea that I'm convinced this entire movie is just what
Speaker 3: would be funny to see Venom do? That's all this,
Speaker 3: Like I said, it feels like a very vignette sitcom movie.
Speaker 7: And I feel about it like I feel like Escape
Speaker 7: from La where they were like, wouldn't it be funny
Speaker 7: if we degrade Snake Bliskin in this way? Let's tie
Speaker 7: him to a treadmill? Won't that be hilarious?
Speaker 3: No, And again I understand and completely agree with you
Speaker 3: feeling that way. Again, I think that Mike and I
Speaker 3: clearly are enjoying that a little bit more. But I
Speaker 3: can understand because this movie's not necessarily making itself easy
Speaker 3: to like, because it is all over the place.
Speaker 9: It really is.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a Venom movie where people are
Speaker 3: being chewed up and fit out, but at the same
Speaker 3: time we have Venom joking and laughing but then biting
Speaker 3: people's heads off. Like I don't think these movies have
Speaker 3: ever really known what they want to be. But I
Speaker 3: also think that some of that is just the Tom
Speaker 3: Hardy of it all, because to everyone's point, he's such
Speaker 3: a specific actor whose presence is so his own thing.
Speaker 3: I just almost chalk this up to this is just
Speaker 3: a Tom Hardy movie too. Ultimately, would these movies be
Speaker 3: this way if Tom Hardy wasn't Venom, No, I don't
Speaker 3: think they would. They might be a little bit closer
Speaker 3: to the way the character was in the comic books,
Speaker 3: because even Morbius is closer to the comic book version
Speaker 3: of Morbius than Venom is to the Venom in the
Speaker 3: comic books. Even Madam we Have in a lot of
Speaker 3: ways is closer than Venom ever gets in the movies
Speaker 3: to the comic book version. The movies really only work
Speaker 3: when Venom's on street because the character has the floating
Speaker 3: head or is the creature fully realized and is funny.
Speaker 3: It's not my venom id as the way to put
Speaker 3: what I grew up in the comic but the character
Speaker 3: on screen really works.
Speaker 8: I almost wish these weren't related to the Spider Man
Speaker 8: comics that grew up with. Yeah, and I could probably
Speaker 8: enjoy it more.
Speaker 3: You know what, This almost feels like these could have
Speaker 3: and should have been an adaptation of the Darkness comic book,
Speaker 3: because that is almost the way that these characters, the
Speaker 3: Venom character is treated, because in those comic books, it's
Speaker 3: like the Crow, this mobster dies and then he's brought
Speaker 3: back to life by this kind of spirit that bonds
Speaker 3: himself to him. And then he comes back to life
Speaker 3: and he wanders New York getting revenge on the people
Speaker 3: that killed him and his girlfriend. But he has this
Speaker 3: tenderly spirit that comes out of him that eats people's
Speaker 3: hands and he can use it to slash their throats
Speaker 3: and stuff. There were two fantastic Xbox three sixty games
Speaker 3: that you could play that had the Darkness.
Speaker 9: I believe the lead singer of Faith No More actually voiced.
Speaker 8: Game that game. Yeah, I was a fundy hit A
Speaker 8: little guy is what we would shoot out.
Speaker 3: Now, that's what this reminds me more of than anything else,
Speaker 3: and again that's not Venom. But at the same time, like,
Speaker 3: if you want to do this, there is already somewhat
Speaker 3: of a precedent in another comic book for having this,
Speaker 3: because that's what the externalized head talking to him reminded
Speaker 3: me of because in that comic book, the tendrils come
Speaker 3: out of him and they talk to him, and they
Speaker 3: have that same thing here. And it's weird because it's
Speaker 3: such a specific thing from something else that is ripping
Speaker 3: off Venom. It's very much just another Venom Sue character.
Speaker 3: I believe that's I don't know what imprint that is.
Speaker 3: It's on DC or Marvel, it might be dark Horse even,
Speaker 3: but that's actually more what this reminds me of.
Speaker 7: This entire series of movies feels like they when they started,
Speaker 7: they were like, what do fans want from Venom? They
Speaker 7: want him chomping people's heads off, and then the rest
Speaker 7: of the movie is crafted to allow that to happen,
Speaker 7: so it becomes a wacky comedy. Like the scene where
Speaker 7: he chomps four guys heads off in this movie is
Speaker 7: precipitated by him and Venom like trying to say we
Speaker 7: are Venom in Unison, which.
Speaker 6: They did in the first movie with no problem. So
Speaker 6: funny way they did that in the first movie. Yesterday,
Speaker 6: when I was rewatching, I was like, why did they
Speaker 6: forget how to do that over the time, because it's
Speaker 6: not that much time has passed the first movie, according
Speaker 6: to this universe the trailer.
Speaker 7: Maybe that's right.
Speaker 6: So I've got two questions. One is, having not been
Speaker 6: to Vegas in several years, and hopefully I will see
Speaker 6: you in a couple weeks here father alone when I
Speaker 6: head out there. But do they do fireworks displays and
Speaker 6: fireworks just showing up out of nowhere?
Speaker 7: Like all the time on weekends there are fireworks?
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, I was very curious about that.
Speaker 7: You know what, this movie's the first movie took place
Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen, I think is that when it came out,
Speaker 7: they say that two years have passed, right, There was
Speaker 7: no sphere in Las Vegas in twenty twenty, so they.
Speaker 6: Should have painted that out then probably. And there's a
Speaker 6: big it looks like a ferris wheel there too, that
Speaker 6: was here. Okay, I never haven't been out there since
Speaker 6: I think twenty eleven. But anyway, the other thing is,
Speaker 6: do you think that the guy who's sitting next to
Speaker 6: Tom Hardy when he's pulling the slot machine handle, do
Speaker 6: you think he's supposed to look like Martin scorsays he
Speaker 6: had a real quick glance because every single time I
Speaker 6: saw him in the trailer. I was just like, is
Speaker 6: that supposed to be Martin Scorsesey.
Speaker 7: I don't know that he was Martin scarsees in. So
Speaker 7: he reminded me of the guy in Casino, the one
Speaker 7: that Ginger tries to scam. Who is a guy I
Speaker 7: used to see in casinos all the time, and if
Speaker 7: you said anything to him, you said hi, he would
Speaker 7: always say thank you, so thank you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think confirm this because I had a similar
Speaker 8: experience with that guy. He worked in the Aura, I
Speaker 8: believe in like a fancy then suit store by Jeremy Piven.
Speaker 3: You guys remember Jeremy Piven's heavily gay coded character from.
Speaker 7: Rush Over two.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's a deep cut, but yeah, that dude's a
Speaker 8: Vegas local. I guess he was a local actor. That's
Speaker 8: his claim to fame.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to deal with that character in
Speaker 3: the Casino is, but yeah, what a odd choice to
Speaker 3: have just like this guy. They might as well have
Speaker 3: had like an Elvis impersonator sitting at a slot machine
Speaker 3: next to him.
Speaker 7: They should have. And by the way, that's another thing
Speaker 7: that the bunks me and movies where characters can move
Speaker 7: faster than normal human speed and they're operating machines. The
Speaker 7: machines can't. Like they did this when they introduced Quicksilver
Speaker 7: in Days of Future Pass, Like at one point he's
Speaker 7: playing pong and he's playing pong at like lightning speed,
Speaker 7: but the machine wouldn't be going at lightning speed. Like
Speaker 7: the same with the slot machine, like bang on it
Speaker 7: all you want, that's just gonna fucking tilt the thing
Speaker 7: and have security throw you out.
Speaker 8: So the day that I did background noted, I think,
Speaker 8: or a couple of days they did on it. The
Speaker 8: dress was pretty flashy Beard Vegas, but they had a
Speaker 8: specific call for like drag queens, Elvis guys, jugglers, anything
Speaker 8: that really stands out. Nuns and if you're watching the
Speaker 8: movie you can see them in the background peppered in there.
Speaker 8: But they had very specific calls for very generic Las
Speaker 8: Vegas style folks.
Speaker 9: For it, jugglers, but not crusty jugglers.
Speaker 8: Crusty jug rusty jugglers, rusty chugglers.
Speaker 9: The greater good, great good. That's all I can think
Speaker 9: of when I think of it.
Speaker 8: You're a very unexcited eating part of the there's like
Speaker 8: in a parking like he turned into a parking at
Speaker 8: the Paris. It wasn't super exciting where they were, so
Speaker 8: make it entertaining. The craft service was very good though,
Speaker 8: had a nice.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 6: I saw somebody losing their ship online and I'm so
Speaker 6: glad somebody screen grabbed this. They were very mad about
Speaker 6: the poster because the posters woke because it says till
Speaker 6: death do they part.
Speaker 9: They couldn't believe Fosters.
Speaker 7: Yep, it can't approve of Venom's pronoun usage.
Speaker 8: No, no, but there's two of.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 7: Woke too. He is legion, yes, yes, so m h
Speaker 7: it's two face woke.
Speaker 8: I guess that he's done.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, God canceled. I'm just asking questions. Why didn't
Speaker 3: they have to change two face? That's the real question
Speaker 3: that they're asking. Tucker Carlson ask that while he's asking about.
Speaker 9: The brown eminem no longer wearing high heels.
Speaker 6: It's the green eminem.
Speaker 3: I'm just asking questions. God, the Wokesters have taken over Venom.
Speaker 8: It's the death of Venom, like they said with the
Speaker 8: death of Star Wars. Oh, my kind lord, that's a
Speaker 8: whole thing, man, the whole thing. I just remember nerds
Speaker 8: with just about who could beat who?
Speaker 3: And then that was it simpler simpler times? Eh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I guess the light saber, specially Captain America's
Speaker 8: shield it goes.
Speaker 4: Through a wall.
Speaker 8: I don't know. Of course Naomi Campbell could play for,
Speaker 8: but she can't act and stuff like that. But now
Speaker 8: it's just a crazy I would seeing Nomi Cambill play
Speaker 8: for too.
Speaker 6: Until we come back and talk about another new movie,
Speaker 6: which I don't think we have any picked out yet,
Speaker 6: and there's nothing really that's exciting me about the rest
Speaker 6: of the year. We'll have to decide that off air.
Speaker 6: But until we come back and do that, I want
Speaker 6: to thank this week's guests and co hosts here. So Antonio,
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