Speaker 1: So who did that? Who did that song for her?
Speaker 1: It wasn't me. She didn't ask me to do the
Speaker 1: title song. I mean, I don't know any other host
Speaker 1: who has their own name in a song like that.
Speaker 1: I mean I knew a woman named Amy, and she
Speaker 1: did pure prairie leagues Amy, but that doesn't count. This
Speaker 1: is a first and last name intro song. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Hey, I'm John Caldera. As you know by
Speaker 1: hearing my friend Jimmy before me, it's Christmas time. What
Speaker 1: does that mean for you? Sadly, nothing but b listers. Yep,
Speaker 1: Mandy's off enjoying her holiday and you're stuck with me.
Speaker 1: I see this as my opportunity to really scare away
Speaker 1: her audience. I judge my own success by other people's failures,
Speaker 1: and it's worked really well so far. All right, the
Speaker 1: number here three or three seven, one, three, eighty five,
Speaker 1: eighty five. I enjoy having conversations with you, so don't
Speaker 1: don't be bashful about calling in. I really enjoy that
Speaker 1: back and forth conversation. And of course, a you know,
Speaker 1: well prepared talk show host has guests and topics and
Speaker 1: plans every every moment. Yeah, that's not gonna happen here,
Speaker 1: so give me a call, help me out. Three O
Speaker 1: three seven one three eight two five five. I hope
Speaker 1: your Christmas was spectacular. I hate Christmas. Nothing personal. It's
Speaker 1: just that the older you get, the more Christmas is
Speaker 1: about obligation than it is about, you know, relaxing and
Speaker 1: having a good time, because there's just so much to
Speaker 1: get done and people want you here, people want you there,
Speaker 1: and that's that's good. It's great, it's terrific. But it's
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I don't know, Halloween or or New
Speaker 1: Year's or anything else. There's just not the same obligations
Speaker 1: to go here, go there. And you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. It's a tiring, stressful time of life. It's
Speaker 1: a time of the year that, you know, depending on
Speaker 1: where you are as parent, child, spouse, friends, you're hauling
Speaker 1: yourself to some other part of the country to do something,
Speaker 1: or you're having people over for dinner you don't really
Speaker 1: want to see, or you have to go over to
Speaker 1: dinner to people you don't want to see. All this
Speaker 1: other good stuff. But there's one thing that makes Christmas
Speaker 1: all worthwhile, and it's kids who still get visited by
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. Now, I've known people who who never had
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. I don't know why anyone would deny a
Speaker 1: child Santa Claus, because Santa Claus is the coolest thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy who who commits a crime,
Speaker 1: breaking and entering, steals some baked goods, but leaves more
Speaker 1: stuff than he goes in with. So is it really
Speaker 1: a theft. No, but it's still breaking an entering, it's
Speaker 1: still trespassed. And we love it. We just love it.
Speaker 1: And when you have kids that still have Santa Claus,
Speaker 1: you live vicariously from them. You remember what it was
Speaker 1: like when you were a little one, and Santa Claus
Speaker 1: was as real as the sunshine, and it was so
Speaker 1: wonderfully magical. It's a shame that that adults tend to
Speaker 1: lose that magic. And so you know what it's like
Speaker 1: that first year your kid no longer gets visited by
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. That heartbreak you feel because that period, that
Speaker 1: period of Santa Claus magic really doesn't last all that long.
Speaker 1: You know, in the first few years of life they
Speaker 1: don't quite get it, and then they get it, and
Speaker 1: then they lose it. Sooner and sooner, it seems and
Speaker 1: for you parents who are in that situation, all I
Speaker 1: can say is, suckers. If only you planned a little better,
Speaker 1: you could have a child like mine, who, at the
Speaker 1: age of twenty, still has Santa Claus. You've heard me
Speaker 1: talk many times about my son Chance, who has Down syndrome,
Speaker 1: and there are lots of challenges, there's lots of complications,
Speaker 1: there's lots of expenses, but there are these occasional wonderful
Speaker 1: aspects when your child has Down syndrome. My son at
Speaker 1: twenty has Santa Claus just like any six year old,
Speaker 1: and it is friggin' awesome, absolutely spectacularly awesome. And the traditions,
Speaker 1: the traditions just keep keep going. So we have this
Speaker 1: really weird tradition. I have no idea how it has happened,
Speaker 1: but it's what it does. So I have to go
Speaker 1: over to my ex wife's house. Good thing, we're still
Speaker 1: very very close friends, and my son and I have
Speaker 1: to do all the stuff for Santa to get ready,
Speaker 1: you know, So we've got to we gotta put out cookies,
Speaker 1: we've got to put out the milk, we gotta find
Speaker 1: something for the reindeer to eat, which sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: has to be a Scotch. I mean, there's just there's
Speaker 1: If there's no vegetables around, you know, things get tough.
Speaker 1: And then and this is really cool, Santa gives my
Speaker 1: son a phone call yep, gives him a phone call
Speaker 1: and lets him know if if he's made it to
Speaker 1: the naughty or nice list, you know, And sadly this
Speaker 1: year was the naughty list, so he got nothing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just joking. He wasn't on the nice list. He
Speaker 1: was on the great list, he said. And then we
Speaker 1: have to go up to the gate. That's Trew and
Speaker 1: he and I have to sleep in the same bed
Speaker 1: waiting for Santa Claus.
Speaker 2: And the excitement is is palpable. All I want to
Speaker 2: do is sleep, And all this twenty year old man
Speaker 2: wants to do is ask me about every twenty minutes
Speaker 2: where Santa?
Speaker 1: Where Santa? Where Santa? So every time I'm drifted off elbow,
Speaker 1: Santa Where Santa. I mean, he's so excited, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: So I think it was last year out this year.
Speaker 1: Last year. I'm I'm there laying in bed with my
Speaker 1: adult son, two grown men in their underwear sharing a bed.
Speaker 1: I'm laying there going why am I doing this, and
Speaker 1: I see him rustle, and I I keep my eyes
Speaker 1: mostly close, but just enough so I could see, and
Speaker 1: he quietly sneaks out of his side of the bed,
Speaker 1: and then on all fours he quietly, very quietly crawls
Speaker 1: along the floor so that I can't see it, and
Speaker 1: then out of nowhere, his hand pops up as he
Speaker 1: slowly quietly turns the door knob to open the door,
Speaker 1: and he sneaks out of the room. Why because he
Speaker 1: needed to see if Santa came, sneaks downstairs, does a
Speaker 1: does a quick survey, and then climbs back into the room,
Speaker 1: quietly closing the door on all fours, climbs around the
Speaker 1: other side of the bed, rolls into bed so as
Speaker 1: not to wake me and get caught. And then he's
Speaker 1: there with a big smile on his face. Now I
Speaker 1: know that you might have an adult child, maybe twenty
Speaker 1: years old as well, eighteen twenty, Yeah, and they're out
Speaker 1: crashing your car and using your credit cards and making
Speaker 1: bad decisions on who to date mine. What's his naughtiness
Speaker 1: sneaking out of the bedroom to go see if Santa
Speaker 1: Claus came. And that's how you do Christmas Now, don't
Speaker 1: blame me that you don't have this experience. You made
Speaker 1: the bad decision not to have a kid with Down syndrome.
Speaker 1: Don't hold me responsible for your bad life choices. There
Speaker 1: you have it. So Santa Claus rocks. Santa Claus just rocks.
Speaker 1: Were you raised without Santa? Were you raised in one
Speaker 1: of those as you just couldn't have Santa. I've known
Speaker 1: some people have done that, partly because they just couldn't.
Speaker 1: I want to be careful depending on the age group
Speaker 1: listening in. Some who just couldn't make a falsehood about Santa.
Speaker 1: And then there's some who believe that. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: if my house has Santa, when when the kids outgrow it,
Speaker 1: they'll say, look, I believed in this thing, this great
Speaker 1: force that knew all saw all saw you when you
Speaker 1: were sleeping. He knows when I'm awake, and he judges me. Hmm.
Speaker 1: That awfully sounds like you know God. So so if
Speaker 1: he has Santa Claus and then later loses Santa Claus,
Speaker 1: then will he not be able to have faith in
Speaker 1: Lord Almighty? Because you know there's a there's a thing there. Now.
Speaker 1: The opposite argument is, I think better, which is this
Speaker 1: Santa Claus teaches kids how to believe in things they
Speaker 1: don't see. It is the practice for faith. It it's
Speaker 1: a magic that kids have that there are things out
Speaker 1: there you just can't see, you just can't prove, but
Speaker 1: they're real. Maybe Love is one of them, maybe God
Speaker 1: is one of them. But it's training wheels for that.
Speaker 1: All right, throw that out? Where were you on this?
Speaker 1: Three or three seven, one, three eight five eight five
Speaker 1: seven one three eighty five eighty five? And your kids
Speaker 1: have any of those you know, school age friends who
Speaker 1: spread lies about Sannah? Yeah, Timmy says Sannah doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with those falsehoods? Those those those
Speaker 1: lies that other kids tell long before you're ready to
Speaker 1: have a good discussion about Santa. And finally, just how
Speaker 1: manipulative are your kids? So, my wonderfully manipulative daughter, let's
Speaker 1: see how to put it. Let me believe she had
Speaker 1: Santa a lot longer than she had Santa because she
Speaker 1: wanted the stuff. How can you not appreciate that My
Speaker 1: numbers three oh three, seven one, three eighty five eighty
Speaker 1: five seven one three eight five eighty five. I hope
Speaker 1: Santa was good for you and good for your kids.
Speaker 1: I just love I just love I love Santa, I
Speaker 1: love kids. Everything else at Christmas, eh, I could I
Speaker 1: could do without. I could do without. Oh, and are
Speaker 1: you Christmas presents on New Year or on Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: or on Christmas Morning? I've gotta tell you there's a
Speaker 1: right answer to this, and the right answer is presence
Speaker 1: on Christmas morning. That's that's non negotiable. Santa Clomb comes
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve when you are asleep, and only when you're asleep.
Speaker 1: He sees you when you're sleeping, which is a little creepy,
Speaker 1: but he sees when you're sleeping, and therefore you've got
Speaker 1: to prolong the agony of waiting till the morning. Maybe
Speaker 1: you have forgotten just how angst ridden that evening is.
Speaker 1: When you're trying to go to sleep. You're so excited,
Speaker 1: you can't get to sleep. You want to hear noise.
Speaker 1: Is you just you go nuts and until you pass out.
Speaker 1: You don't want to give up that experience. Are any
Speaker 1: of you truly presents on Christmas evers? There is? There
Speaker 1: are a few things that will happen when when I
Speaker 1: become King and ruler. One the designating designated hitter rule
Speaker 1: will be no longer. Two, I'm not going to outlaw
Speaker 1: oatmeal raisin cookies. I'm very tolerant, but I will require
Speaker 1: that they have some sort of Hunter safety orange food
Speaker 1: dye put in them so that when you see them
Speaker 1: from across the room, you don't get all excited thinking
Speaker 1: that you're going to go grab a chocolate chip cookie
Speaker 1: until you put it in your mouth and you find
Speaker 1: out it's some disgusting oatmeal raisin thing. And Three, of
Speaker 1: course I will ban Christmas presence on Christmas Eve. They
Speaker 1: have to be Christmas Morning, absolutely have to be. Oh. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm going to ban Christmas music until two days before Christmas.
Speaker 1: Can I get an amen on that? One? Three or three? Seven, one, three, eight, five,
Speaker 1: eight five seven, one, three, eighty five eighty five. Saw
Speaker 1: a piece in the Denver Gazette today. Let's see if
Speaker 1: I can pull this one up. Where did you go?
Speaker 1: Where did you go? And it has to do with
Speaker 1: with one of the great recreations of Colorado skiing. Do
Speaker 1: you remember skiing? I remember skiing. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: ski anymore because it's too much of a hassle. It's
Speaker 1: almost the same reason I don't like to go to
Speaker 1: Bronco games anymore. It's just too much cost, too much hassle,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just not worth it. Well, I
Speaker 1: found this this little article here. Lift tickets at three
Speaker 1: ski resorts break. This is incredible to me. Three hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks. The holiday weekend between Christmas and New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve upcoming, three resorts in Colorado have single day
Speaker 1: lift tickets breaking the three hundred dollars level tickets at
Speaker 1: Veil Mountain three hundred and twenty nine dollars when bought
Speaker 1: same day, really, Beaver Creek, same thing, Steamboat Ski Resort
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty nine dollars. Oh, but don't don't worry.
Speaker 1: That's only the weekend single day left ticket. If if
Speaker 1: you'd buy it in advance, it's only three hundred and
Speaker 1: nine dollars. Are you kidding me? How much are you
Speaker 1: willing to pay to go skiing? That's that's insane. Breckinridge
Speaker 1: is now two hundred and ninety nine dollars, Aspend two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four dollars, Keystone two hundred ninety two dollars,
Speaker 1: Winter Park two hundred and fifty nine, Copper Mountain two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, and this one is the one that
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. El Dora one hundred and seventy nine dollars. Now,
Speaker 1: for those of you who've never skied El Dora, how
Speaker 1: to put it? It's a beginner's ski resort. It's in
Speaker 1: the beautiful town in Nederland, and you you go there
Speaker 1: because it's a new backyard, save the time. What was there?
Speaker 1: What was their motto? For a while? Think globally, ski locally?
Speaker 1: Great idea. Not to give my age, but I remember
Speaker 1: when you could go up there and ski for twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: How does anybody afford this anymore? Does anybody out there
Speaker 1: ski anymore? Is it just a rich man sport? Is
Speaker 1: it going to be like Polo?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we jetted into Veil for our ski vacation.
Speaker 1: Jeoffrey and I just such a wonderful time with the
Speaker 1: kids at our second home. Give me a call. Three
Speaker 1: oh three, seven to one, three eight five eight five.
Speaker 1: I'm John Caldera in for Mandy. Keep it right here.
Speaker 1: You're on KOA one of the few songs pop songs
Speaker 1: that has a seven to eight beat, not a four
Speaker 1: to four beat. Just just so you know. On two
Speaker 1: three four, five, six seven one two three four. There
Speaker 1: you go. I'm John Caldera. Give me a call three
Speaker 1: oh three seven to one, three eight five eight five.
Speaker 1: Do you plan on going skiing soon? Well, if you are,
Speaker 1: I'd like you to be my friend because you're wealthy.
Speaker 1: Three different ski resorts in Colorado are now charging over
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars for a lift ticket. I mean, for
Speaker 1: those of us who grew up in Colorado. And I
Speaker 1: know I'm sounding like a grumpy old guy. I remember
Speaker 1: when a candy bar wers are penny and a good
Speaker 1: hooker worth five dollars. Yeah, I remember that, But still
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty nine dollars to go skiing. I
Speaker 1: would rather have the three hundred and twenty nine dollars
Speaker 1: and not deal with the traffic, not deal with the crowds,
Speaker 1: not deal with the cold, not deal with any of it,
Speaker 1: cause I'm a grumpy old man. Now do you feel
Speaker 1: the same way? How much are you willing to pay
Speaker 1: to go skiing? I mean, Colorado has arguably the best
Speaker 1: skiing on the planet. People come from around the world
Speaker 1: to our backyard to drop their money, which is wonderful.
Speaker 1: And fine and spectacular, But why in the world, how
Speaker 1: could any normal person enjoy this? It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with professional sports. Going to a Broncos game is so expensive.
Speaker 1: It's like we're going to have this bifurcated system of
Speaker 1: recreation for people with money and then something else. The
Speaker 1: other people just go sledding. How much are you willing
Speaker 1: to pay to go skiing? Three or three? Seven? One, three, eight,
Speaker 1: two five five? So vail Beaver Creek Steamboat now over
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars for a single day lift ticket Breckenridge
Speaker 1: to ninety nine. Oh, but I love this. It's two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four in advance, so you can save
Speaker 1: yourself a whopping thirteen bucks by by doing it the
Speaker 1: day before. Has your income grown at the same rate
Speaker 1: of ski passes? So it looks like according to the
Speaker 1: work that Dedver Gazette did, Wolf Creek at one hundred
Speaker 1: and three dollars is the best one. That's it the
Speaker 1: best one. Oh, here we go, Here we go the state.
Speaker 1: The state's cheapest ski area open this weekend is Chapman
Speaker 1: Hill Ski Area in Durango. It has two count them
Speaker 1: one two toe ropes and five hundred vertical feet of
Speaker 1: groomed terrain day tickets going for sixteen bucks. That's where
Speaker 1: you go. Let's go to the phone owns seven, one,
Speaker 1: three eighty five. Tom, Welcome here with John Caldera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, John, I think that's cheaper than I was
Speaker 4: gonna say. Katara mount To State Park which used to
Speaker 4: be a guitar ski resort down in Katara by Libeda's
Speaker 4: forty dollars and they run, they run, they run a
Speaker 4: showcat with a coach trailer. If it's actually a non
Speaker 4: profit hill.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, where is this I've never.
Speaker 4: Heard of it. Katara, Yeah, Guitara Mountain.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh seriously, do you know I don't mean this sarcastically?
Speaker 4: Do you know? Libida?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh so.
Speaker 4: So on the way to Ala, the way to Ala Mosa,
Speaker 4: there's a turn off to a town called Lobta and
Speaker 4: thirteen to fifteen miles south west is uh a little
Speaker 4: town at Katara which used to be a ski resort,
Speaker 4: and it's called a Guitar Mountain Park, a nonprofit. The
Speaker 4: idea behind it is not only make affordable skiing, but
Speaker 4: to bring back an economy to the UH, to the
Speaker 4: westerno area, which is really uh uh, which we're pouring
Speaker 4: poor economy down there, and.
Speaker 1: It's a poor now that so many Californians are moving
Speaker 1: into Warf Andoak County, it's getting harder and harder to
Speaker 1: live there. Wharf and No, by the way, is just
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful places in the state, in
Speaker 1: a state that has nothing but beautiful places.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let me see.
Speaker 1: I'm let me see if I'm following you here, Tom So.
Speaker 1: I go to this ski resort and basically I get
Speaker 1: towed up the hill behind.
Speaker 4: A truck, behind a SnowCat on a on a trailer
Speaker 4: with bus seats.
Speaker 1: Trail hotalist bus seats. So I actually a snow cat
Speaker 1: is basically a truck that has no tires.
Speaker 4: But okay, sair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so that's that's what brings me up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that sad or is it cool?
Speaker 4: It's it's actually cool because we're talking to old school, right,
Speaker 4: you know, back in the I think just, uh, this
Speaker 4: makes a t boar look sad. You know, you don't
Speaker 4: have to hold on to anything. All you gotta do
Speaker 4: is sit down and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1: How wild. I had no idea that sounds like such
Speaker 1: a kick and so how much does this cost?
Speaker 4: Was thirty five, but they weren't have five dollars to forty.
Speaker 1: So is it is it a decent ski resort? I
Speaker 1: mean El Dora is a pretty decent beginner ski resort.
Speaker 4: I would say, I would say, you gotta go for
Speaker 4: an enjoyment. It's not that said. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: terrain there.
Speaker 1: So so in other words, if you were trying to
Speaker 1: convince me to go on a blind date with this girl,
Speaker 1: you would say she's got a great personality. Is that
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, she has a great personality. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of backcountry access down there, which which opens
Speaker 4: up the terrain. But for for somebody just looking to
Speaker 4: have some fun and affordable rate, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: You can. I think what's fun about it is it's
Speaker 4: it's only like three hundred feet a vertical, but you can,
Speaker 4: you can, you can. You can add it up really
Speaker 4: quick by you beat the you beat the the sled down.
Speaker 4: So you know, a couple of hit some runs whatever.
Speaker 4: Run there's the run, no run, now there's not I
Speaker 4: want to sie.
Speaker 3: Uh four four.
Speaker 4: Trails and you hit the trails and and then you
Speaker 4: jump back up, jump back on the sled and go
Speaker 4: back up.
Speaker 1: And how long how long does it take for the
Speaker 1: truck to haul you back up?
Speaker 4: It takes about ten minutes. I say, it's about ten
Speaker 4: minutes up and it takes another ten minutes to get down.
Speaker 4: So you're already down there waiting to go back up.
Speaker 1: And do they have just one one SnowCat.
Speaker 4: One show cat for tugging or pulling out?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: How fun? How fun? All right? In the name of
Speaker 1: it again?
Speaker 4: Good Chara? So c h u R.
Speaker 1: I forgot how something down in war Fine County.
Speaker 4: Yeah, catrona mountain park if they look it up on
Speaker 4: the web or if you have you know when you're
Speaker 4: when you're a little slower. Were Honestly, it's a lot
Speaker 4: of fun. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for sharing that. Tom. All right three three
Speaker 1: seven one three eighty five eighty five. Ron, welcome, Ron.
Speaker 1: You're with John Caldero.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Jen Uh. I'm old too. I don't know how old
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 1: But physically i'm sixty years old. Mentally I'm I'm well
Speaker 1: into my late nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm old and you are, but I could
Speaker 3: have got a lifetime not a one day a lifetime
Speaker 3: they key passed for three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: Nah. Yeah, that's that's like I could have bought applestock
Speaker 1: at a buck fifty.
Speaker 3: When was this sixties, middle sixties. That's right after they opened.
Speaker 3: Right after they opened, My uh uncle bought a condo
Speaker 3: there right on the slopes per fifty thousand dollars. He
Speaker 3: sold it for over a million.
Speaker 1: All right, So let me let's see if I can
Speaker 1: pull up the old computer.
Speaker 3: Is slow, of course, I don't know when vail started,
Speaker 3: but it was either the second or third year, I think,
Speaker 3: but it was I think it was. It was expensive,
Speaker 3: just either I think it was five bucks.
Speaker 1: Oh, you think about you think about the guys who
Speaker 1: who came up with vail and decided it was it
Speaker 1: was the thing to do. All right, So let's say
Speaker 1: that was nineteen what sixty five? Yeah, nineteen sixty two?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how much was probably three?
Speaker 1: All right, sixty three? How how much was the ticket the.
Speaker 3: Lifetime I think of the lifetime three hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 3: three hundred.
Speaker 1: And fifty bucks, all right. According to according to the
Speaker 1: inflation calculator, that same three hundred and fifty dollars. Cost
Speaker 1: would be about thirty six hundred dollars. So the question is,
Speaker 1: would you now today buy a lifetime bail pass for
Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred.
Speaker 3: Of course I was a teenager then, so I didn't
Speaker 3: have the money, right of course, But I wouldn't do
Speaker 3: it now any because I'm not a big skier.
Speaker 1: What would you recommend it?
Speaker 4: Three hundred and.
Speaker 3: Some dollars a day? That's only what, h oh, thirty
Speaker 3: six thousand?
Speaker 1: You said, thirty six one hundred thirty six hundred. So
Speaker 1: if you buy, that's only ten days, yeah, ten or
Speaker 1: twelve days skiing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So obviously that would be it wouldn't sell it.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't sell it to you.
Speaker 1: Do you think if you bought it it would still
Speaker 1: be good?
Speaker 3: It's you know, it was a lifetime pass. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was non transferable.
Speaker 1: Wow, i'd have.
Speaker 3: To I mean, I'm almost eighty years old. I'd have
Speaker 3: to be just skiing myself.
Speaker 4: But oh, we used to.
Speaker 3: Go to winter park.
Speaker 1: That sounds great.
Speaker 3: Winter park for two bucks?
Speaker 1: All right, now I'm getting angry. I got to run
Speaker 1: to a break. Thanks so much, all right? Three or
Speaker 1: three seven one three eighty five eighty five. I'm John Caldera.
Speaker 1: Keep it here during k away, we got nine minutes
Speaker 1: to the top. I'm John Caldera. A lifetime pass to Veil.
Speaker 1: Our last caller said he had an opportunity in the
Speaker 1: sixties to buy a lifetime ski pass to Veil for
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty bucks. Of course, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you how to put it, ain't got no money, and
Speaker 1: so three hundred and fifty bucks was untouchable. Put that
Speaker 1: into the inflation adjusted way, you're talking about thirty six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, three thousand, six hundred dollars. Would you a
Speaker 1: lifetime fail pass for thirty six hundred bucks? And the
Speaker 1: answer is duh yeah. I mean you'd only have to
Speaker 1: go twelve times for it to pay for itself. Even
Speaker 1: if you got a yearly passed, it would take a
Speaker 1: couple of years and then you'd have it, depending upon
Speaker 1: your age. Of course, why do they do these things, Well,
Speaker 1: bail apparently just started back then, and they need the
Speaker 1: money up front. This is what's so fascinating about that.
Speaker 1: But then then once they get the money upfront, do
Speaker 1: things get changed? Case in point, I remember the million
Speaker 1: years ago I got a TiVo. Do you remember TiVo? Stevo?
Speaker 1: The Tvo it was kind of the first popular digital
Speaker 1: recorder for television. You could program in what shows you
Speaker 1: wanted to see and it would record it. You could
Speaker 1: freeze live television and go back and watch something. It's
Speaker 1: really pretty crazy. I think it had like a twenty
Speaker 1: megabyte hard drive in it didn't hold that much. But
Speaker 1: you could either pay you know, ten dollars a month
Speaker 1: or whatever, five dollars a month, or buy the lifetime
Speaker 1: membership for three hundred and whatever dollars. Of course, I
Speaker 1: bought the lifetime membership because I can do math, except
Speaker 1: what a ripoff it was because they changed the technology.
Speaker 1: So while you could you could still get your Tvo, supposedly,
Speaker 1: you couldn't watch anything on it because the technology changed,
Speaker 1: so you had to buy something else. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like the old gym memberships. We'll let you buy a
Speaker 1: lifetime gym membership. Now you need to understand that's the
Speaker 1: lifetime of the gym, not of your lifetime, because a
Speaker 1: lot of those gyms no longer exist, but they need
Speaker 1: the money up front. I'm sure TiVo at that time
Speaker 1: was expanding and expanding and needed lots of lots of money.
Speaker 1: What's a great way to get cash. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like an ipo. You just sell lifetime memberships, all right?
Speaker 1: How much would you be willing to pay for a
Speaker 1: lifetime membership to any resort? It's kind of like time shares.
Speaker 1: At some point, your brain chemistry gets a hit at
Speaker 1: dopamine and it says, this is gonna save me money.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna love it. Of course,
Speaker 1: four years later, the depression hits and you're like, how
Speaker 1: do I get rid of this time share? What was
Speaker 1: your biggest regret not purchasing if if you had to,
Speaker 1: if you had to go back in time, if you
Speaker 1: had the ability to go back in time. What is
Speaker 1: the thing you could have bought that you didn't. Was
Speaker 1: it that house you could have gotten for cheap? Was
Speaker 1: it the stock you could have gotten for cheap? Was
Speaker 1: it the collectible you had in your hand and went, nah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I really need it? And now you're like,
Speaker 1: why didn't I three h three seven one three eight
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