Speaker 1: This could give me for our podcast What Up on Gizzo?
Speaker 1: That is John Magic and we are back.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: This is one of those special episodes where we're actually
Speaker 3: recording it and we're gonna release it on the same
Speaker 3: day because the topic has something to do with the
Speaker 3: downtown Fresnel art hop and today is August first, as
Speaker 3: the recording of this podcast, and so if you're listening
Speaker 3: to this after it might sound out of context, but
Speaker 3: the main topic will be about the whole downtown Fresno
Speaker 3: news about art hop changing. And we brought one of
Speaker 3: our friends guests, our special guest today. He's been on
Speaker 3: before when we first started interviewing guests on our podcast,
Speaker 3: so it's good to have him back. And he's very
Speaker 3: knowledgeable in today's topic about art hop. He's one of
Speaker 3: the founders of Fresne Street Eats. He's also one of
Speaker 3: the originators of the Taco Truck throw Down. And if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, it's your birthday today, ladies, and Mike
Speaker 3: Oz is here.
Speaker 1: Back in the building. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: First, Sam and heck that I'm up.
Speaker 3: Well, happy birthday first and foremost. But yeah, let's just
Speaker 3: get to this. The whole art hop thing, because today's
Speaker 3: the first day that it's going to have its new style.
Speaker 3: Can we go back for the people that are listening,
Speaker 3: uh and are not familiar to art hop, can you
Speaker 3: tell them real quick about art hop?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like most people don't even understand how
Speaker 4: art hop works. What what I would love to do
Speaker 4: is just break down for you, like how it all
Speaker 4: even works, right, and sort of who the players are,
Speaker 4: just to set the table for all the other stuff
Speaker 4: that's gonna happen. Yeah, okay, So art hop is a
Speaker 4: thing that I believe it could happen anywhere, right, there's
Speaker 4: art hops in other cities. So in Fresno it was
Speaker 4: started by the Fresnow Arts Council, and they're sort of
Speaker 4: a collective of you know people that that you know,
Speaker 4: promote the arts. So they promer art galleries, they promer artists,
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So they started art hop back in
Speaker 4: like nineteen ninety six, I believe, maybe before that, but
Speaker 4: like back in the nineties. So they are they are
Speaker 4: the presiding entity over art hop, like they are in
Speaker 4: charge of art hop. But as art hop kind of grew,
Speaker 4: you know, it's changed over the year. So I remember
Speaker 4: going to art hop in like the early like two thousands, right,
Speaker 4: so like two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
Speaker 4: and at that point, like it was mostly in galleries.
Speaker 4: You would start to get your that's when we started
Speaker 4: to see your first sort of like outdoor stuff. But
Speaker 4: a lot of times I was, you know, twenty four
Speaker 4: twenty five years old. People my age would go and
Speaker 4: we weren't really interested in like art on the walls
Speaker 4: and galleries, right, You go in there because they'd have
Speaker 4: free wine and they'd have free food sometimes, and then
Speaker 4: you'd go to a couple of the galleries. You'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's pretty cool, like whatever, and then you'd go somewhere
Speaker 4: to a bar, you'd go party somewhere. Right, That's kind
Speaker 4: of like what art hop was, And honestly, I feel
Speaker 4: like that's still kind of what art hop is, right like,
Speaker 4: And so all these people that say it's changed, like,
Speaker 4: in my mind, it hasn't really changed all that much,
Speaker 4: just changed like where you.
Speaker 3: Go so real quick has also changed with the amount
Speaker 3: of people's.
Speaker 1: That's probably like what change, they just got bigger.
Speaker 4: Uh So, So the Arts Council had always kind of
Speaker 4: been in charge of art hob But to be sort
Speaker 4: of an art hop venue, you have to sign up
Speaker 4: and you pay them like dues, right, which I think
Speaker 4: right now it's around two hundred bucks, maybe a little
Speaker 4: bit less. So let's use an example of like Tioguskoy, right,
Speaker 4: who we work with. Tierguskoya is signed up as an
Speaker 4: official art hop venue. Then after that, the Arts Council
Speaker 4: really doesn't have much to do with like what they
Speaker 4: do at their place. So like Tioga, they can bring
Speaker 4: in whatever artists they want. They could come to us
Speaker 4: and get food trucks and they could do all of
Speaker 4: those things. So the Arts Council really just is like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're part of our thing, and if you need services,
Speaker 4: like if you come to them and say, hey, I'm
Speaker 4: looking for an artist, they might be able to refer
Speaker 4: you out or like hey, you know, can we do this?
Speaker 4: Can you promote this? And then the Arts Council kind
Speaker 4: of promotes the galleries and stuff.
Speaker 3: Right real quick, let me let me just so I
Speaker 3: could be clear during art hop Tyoga needs to pay
Speaker 3: the council.
Speaker 4: It's like a once a year thing. Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's like a membership kind of thing. Right. That was
Speaker 4: like every third Ye it's like to be like a
Speaker 4: member of art hop every year. So that's how the
Speaker 4: URS Council kind of sustained it's got it. So then
Speaker 4: what happens is, you know, these like outdoor things start
Speaker 4: to pop up, and you know, I've heard it explain
Speaker 4: that a lot of the a lot of people who
Speaker 4: are artists, right, and artists is a very wide term,
Speaker 4: don't feel like they're accepted in the galleries because galleries
Speaker 4: are sort of a different thing, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: set up outside and start selling stuff, right, And so
Speaker 4: that starts happening.
Speaker 3: So these are like the the booth that starts setting
Speaker 3: up on the sidewalk, and some.
Speaker 4: Of them are legitimately painters or whatever, right they feel like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not a gallery person, I'm you know whatever. And
Speaker 4: then that leads to more and more of that, and
Speaker 4: then you start getting people selling trinkets and shirts, you.
Speaker 2: Know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And so it's at some point, like I would say
Speaker 4: pre COVID was when you started to see a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff happening in the street yep. And so at
Speaker 4: that point though, it's kind of up to the art
Speaker 4: the Arts Council kind of just as the oversight on
Speaker 4: the venues and the venues kind of do their own thing.
Speaker 4: And if you wanted to go out there and sell something,
Speaker 4: just to find a street corner or partner with the
Speaker 4: venue and say hey, can I just set up outside
Speaker 4: your place? You know that's between you and them, right, Like,
Speaker 4: nobody really is caring about that. The city is not
Speaker 4: involved in this at all at this point.
Speaker 3: Right, city they're not paying a yearly.
Speaker 4: No city has well, I mean, City Hall is an
Speaker 4: art hop venue, so maybe the city actually plays, but
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like the city, city council or
Speaker 4: anything like that decided what goes on in art hop or
Speaker 4: at any say in art hop, right, which is as
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to that sort of you know what's
Speaker 4: changing now?
Speaker 3: Can I Can I just paint the picture real quick
Speaker 3: of because I live in downtown and uh, that's when
Speaker 3: I started seeing the masses. It's a block party. I
Speaker 3: would I live right on Fulton and I would just
Speaker 3: look outside and thousands of people are walking the streets
Speaker 3: and yeah, on the sidewalk, it's just booths of from
Speaker 3: food to art to little What are the things that
Speaker 3: you buy for the crocs, anything you could think of
Speaker 3: someone selling something and the energy. I was like, this
Speaker 3: is amazing. Music everywhere, food trucks everywhere. There's a park,
Speaker 3: like right near my apartment complex. I remember one year
Speaker 3: there was salsa dancing there. It is a vibe. It
Speaker 3: is such real quick. There outside my apartment complex, somebody
Speaker 3: was doing a BATCHI a whole full grill set up
Speaker 3: and selling stuff. So it was.
Speaker 4: Probably a vibe, that's what I'm saying, right, so that
Speaker 4: stuff starts happening. I remember being down there and like,
Speaker 4: you know, again the same area, there was somebody that
Speaker 4: was in one of those apartments that's also like a
Speaker 4: loft and you know, like a mixed use place, and
Speaker 4: there was a band that was just playing you know,
Speaker 4: in front of the like on the doorstep, and the
Speaker 4: crowd was like blocking the street.
Speaker 2: So you get stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the teasy guys and myself we DJed at one
Speaker 3: of a balcony and that. Yeah, it's just such a
Speaker 3: great energy.
Speaker 4: So all that stuff was always like, yeah, you just
Speaker 4: do whatever right, like and if you're a if you're
Speaker 4: a if you have a business or whatever. People just
Speaker 4: started doing that and like started building all these other
Speaker 4: things around and so around the pandemic, I think is
Speaker 4: when the city started to look around and be like,
Speaker 4: all right, look like we might be running into some
Speaker 4: issues here.
Speaker 2: So I remember, as we.
Speaker 4: Start to come out of the pandemic, I get on
Speaker 4: a phone call with the city manager at the time,
Speaker 4: a bunch of other people at the city and some
Speaker 4: other folks, and they're like, Hey, this is what we
Speaker 4: want to do. We want to create these two block
Speaker 4: party kind of ideas. One is the one in the
Speaker 4: Brewer District that we manage, and one was over by
Speaker 4: Warner's Theater, where we're going to shut down the streets
Speaker 4: or you can shut down the streets like it was
Speaker 4: up to us to do it and sort of have
Speaker 4: some semblance of like order right, like you you can
Speaker 4: curate the stuff, you can bring in the food trucks, whatever,
Speaker 4: and here's here's how we're going to do it.
Speaker 2: We're going to walk you through the process.
Speaker 4: On getting the road closure and you know, you got
Speaker 4: to get insurance, you got to pay this. And so
Speaker 4: that's the first time I ever shut down the street.
Speaker 4: And it was you know, sort of at the urging
Speaker 4: of the city because they wanted to initiate some structure, okay,
Speaker 4: And so that's how we ended up with that block
Speaker 4: party in the brewery district. There was the one in
Speaker 4: Warner's and then all the all the businesses in the street.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get along about it.
Speaker 2: So it stopped.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't I don't recall a street closure there there.
Speaker 4: Was for a while. And so DFP was Downtown Friends
Speaker 4: of the Partnership there another entity we have to talk about.
Speaker 2: They were involved in that.
Speaker 4: So DFP is there like a a an association of
Speaker 4: property owners downtown in a certain area. Right, so they
Speaker 4: pay basically, they tax themselves and then DFP provides marketing
Speaker 4: and events and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So DFP for a while has kind of been like, hey,
Speaker 4: I think we should be in charge of our hop,
Speaker 4: right because we have more of a like the arts
Speaker 4: Council kind of threw up his hands and said, Hey,
Speaker 4: all this other stuff that's happened in that's not our
Speaker 4: We're not in charge of that. That's not our problem.
Speaker 4: We're not going to patrol it, we're not going to
Speaker 4: be the police. And so you started to run into
Speaker 4: this thing where they only cared about the galleries and
Speaker 4: nobody cared about anything else that would go yeah, and
Speaker 4: for the most part it was cool, right, there wasn't
Speaker 4: a lot of problems. But as we've rest the problem
Speaker 4: became that like nobody's in charge. And so that's kind
Speaker 4: of how we got to today. Right. So you have
Speaker 4: you know, the city then stepping in and being like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I think this needs to change, and
Speaker 4: the Arts Council kind of being like, well, you know, we.
Speaker 2: Don't have anything to do with anything that's happened in
Speaker 2: the street.
Speaker 4: And the people like me who's like, hey, we're doing
Speaker 4: everything right, you know, we have all your permits, all
Speaker 4: your stuff, like, there's no reason we should get shut down.
Speaker 4: And there's a few other there's like four or five
Speaker 4: people like me that have permits and do things the
Speaker 4: right way, you know, like Alley in the Valley, mos Fresno,
Speaker 4: Bad Kids Club, and so we have our little spaces
Speaker 4: that we pay for permits for and the insurance and
Speaker 4: everything that goes into all that, and so we all
Speaker 4: got shut down too. And that's sort of where I
Speaker 4: was like, this is not fair, right, because if you're
Speaker 4: targeting all the people who, let's say, you know, because
Speaker 4: I've seen people out there on the corner selling you know,
Speaker 4: tall cans out of a vocation, right, like all of
Speaker 4: us know that's illegal. Yeah, nobody's enforcing it though, so whatever,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it with my own hands, but I
Speaker 4: haven't seen in eyes.
Speaker 2: I've seen. I saw that, I've.
Speaker 4: Seen people they I've heard that they're people out there
Speaker 4: selling edibles the kids, you know, and again, so those
Speaker 4: are things that at some point somebody needs.
Speaker 2: To take charge of. Uh.
Speaker 4: So that's sort of how we got to where we
Speaker 4: got to a couple of weeks ago where they said
Speaker 4: we're just gonna shut it all down for the month
Speaker 4: of August, right, And at that point I was like, man,
Speaker 4: you can't do this two weeks out. You can't do
Speaker 4: it to everybody. And in my head, the example was like,
Speaker 4: if you see people speeding on the freeway, you don't
Speaker 4: pull over all the cars. You pull over the cars
Speaker 4: that are that are speeding, right, you don't give take
Speaker 4: us to everyone. And so that's kind of where where
Speaker 4: things got, right. So that was that press conference that
Speaker 4: Miguel Aarius had. As I came to find out later,
Speaker 4: the mayor was on vacation and didn't really even fully
Speaker 4: know what was going on.
Speaker 3: Geez.
Speaker 4: Then the mayor gets back and they're like, all right,
Speaker 4: we gotta figure we got to figure this whole thing
Speaker 4: out right, which kind of brings us to this week where.
Speaker 3: So the thing when I heard, you know, it became viral.
Speaker 3: Everyone was posting about this announcement he makes, and the
Speaker 3: thing that caught me off guard was him saying, nothing
Speaker 3: has happened all these years, all these years, nothing has happened.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna prevent that. But I'm a big believer
Speaker 3: of it. Like, if it ain't broke, don't fix this
Speaker 3: sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What I always liked about our hop is like
Speaker 1: how organic it kind of grew and how it was
Speaker 1: kind of for the people by the people essentially, and
Speaker 1: then it just feels like every time somebody decides to
Speaker 1: step in, that's when problems start happening. That's kind of
Speaker 1: like what I feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same Now you bring up the quote unquote allegedly
Speaker 3: illegal sales of you know, when you when you I see,
Speaker 3: I didn't know about that. Okay, I could see where.
Speaker 1: They might want to regulate regulate that, but I'm.
Speaker 3: With you with the people that are doing it the
Speaker 3: right way, why are they getting.
Speaker 4: Or you just go and you just go and regulate that, right,
Speaker 4: you go and get rid of that person. You can't
Speaker 4: do that, Like it seems pretty easy, Like that's why
Speaker 4: you have police and code enforcement and all these kind
Speaker 4: of things to be So what I felt like happened
Speaker 4: was like everybody just didn't pay attention for a long time,
Speaker 4: and then now they're like, uh, can I cuss on this?
Speaker 4: Like shit, we gotta pay attention and oh man, what
Speaker 4: are we gonna do? And they're all scrambling to figure
Speaker 4: it out, and it's like, well, if it were me,
Speaker 4: just just first of all, go address the problems. Right
Speaker 4: if I look at it like this, right, if you
Speaker 4: have this whole I don't know, five or six blocks
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, well it's even more if you
Speaker 4: go further down where you live ten blocks, right and say,
Speaker 4: all right, well, look, we know that what Street's does
Speaker 4: is good. We know that these places are all good.
Speaker 4: So hey, we only got to worry about six blocks now, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so let's let's focus on cleaning up these six
Speaker 4: blocks and the next month let's do it again. Oh
Speaker 4: you know, cool, Now we only have four blocks to
Speaker 4: worry about. And the next month you only have two blocks.
Speaker 4: You know, like that's how you progressively just sort of
Speaker 4: fix the problem.
Speaker 3: I agree to just everybody, Yeah, they there should have
Speaker 3: been a better plan instead of like, oh, in two weeks,
Speaker 3: we're shutting everyone down.
Speaker 4: And and I mean, so the give you some other
Speaker 4: contexts some of this. There was I don't know, two
Speaker 4: or three years ago, there was a meeting where the
Speaker 4: Arts Council and its board of directors wanted to I
Speaker 4: don't know, maybe they were just complaining, but they it
Speaker 4: seemed like they wanted to take back control of art Hop.
Speaker 4: But then they don't really have the resources to manage it, right,
Speaker 4: So a bunch of us went to this meeting ready
Speaker 4: to like argue with them. You know that you can't
Speaker 4: take this away. You can't just like get rid of
Speaker 4: all these people. And it definitely seems I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: wearing the Tacos and Trinkets shirt. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you guys read that quote from one of the downtown
Speaker 4: business owners. That's like art hop just turned into tacos
Speaker 4: and trinkets, And a lot of it seemed very like
Speaker 4: class ish, like you know, old versus new, and sort
Speaker 4: of this like we think art hop should be this.
Speaker 4: Somebody said to me at this time, art hop should
Speaker 4: be an event for sophisticated adults. And I'm like, art
Speaker 4: hop is an event for whoever decides it's an event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I say, granically for the people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if people want to do the high
Speaker 3: art thing, yeah, there's options for everyone.
Speaker 1: That was the best part about it. Yeah, whoever wants
Speaker 1: to be a part of it, I'm saying, and just
Speaker 1: do it the right way.
Speaker 2: So this class has.
Speaker 4: Been going on sort of like on the on the
Speaker 4: d L a little bit for like three years now,
Speaker 4: with the Arts Council trying to like, you know, we're
Speaker 4: not happy with the way art hop is, right, but
Speaker 4: we don't we don't really have the resources to fix it,
Speaker 4: so I don't know. And then dfp's over here like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, we we as the downtown people, see that
Speaker 4: it needs something. Does somebody want to give us some
Speaker 4: money and we can We'll be in charge of it,
Speaker 4: And nobody gives them money and so so so this
Speaker 4: they kind of just kicked the ball, you know, down
Speaker 4: the road, down the road.
Speaker 2: And then eventually.
Speaker 4: Miguel Alreace comes knocking and is like hear all you
Speaker 4: And I mean, so I see from my from sitting
Speaker 4: where I sit and knowing all the things I know,
Speaker 4: I see how that happens, right, Like eventually somebody with
Speaker 4: some authority has.
Speaker 2: To come in.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of like being a parent and telling
Speaker 4: your kids like, hey, do this thing.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take away your your video games. Hey
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 4: I've asked you three times, take away your thing. You
Speaker 4: take away the video games?
Speaker 1: Like why did you take away my video game? You know?
Speaker 4: And I mean, I see it, right, but I also
Speaker 4: feel like it could have been done differently. But I
Speaker 4: wonder also behind the scenes, like you know, who's pressuring
Speaker 4: who to say? You know, is the arts Council, Like, hey,
Speaker 4: we really want we want to take back control of
Speaker 4: our hop because this is our thing. We started this,
Speaker 4: and they definitely have a pride about that. And that's true,
Speaker 4: right they started it. But like it's me, I would say,
Speaker 4: it's turned into something new. The younger generation has bought
Speaker 4: in and adopted it. Yeah, it turned it into something different,
Speaker 4: maybe better than what we maybe may not better, different
Speaker 4: than what we thought it was gonna be. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: that's cool, right, because ten or fifteen thousand people are
Speaker 4: coming down.
Speaker 2: Here when it was maybe, you know, seven hundred or.
Speaker 3: So. Let's go to you know, today's August first, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be the first starb That's that's changed. What when
Speaker 3: I look out into my balcony, am I not gonna
Speaker 3: see the sidewalks full of people walking up and down?
Speaker 2: I mean the people is the biggest question.
Speaker 4: I feel like, So you're not supposed to in theory,
Speaker 4: you're not going to see all You're not going to
Speaker 4: see the guy with theh habbachi grill on the street.
Speaker 3: No tense, you're not supposed to be.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to suppos to.
Speaker 4: So what I'm going to be upset about is if
Speaker 4: they kicked out all of our legit vendors and then
Speaker 4: they just let all the whoever vendors go up and yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's like we're all doing it right. But I've
Speaker 4: I've already seen pictures that cod enforceman is out this
Speaker 4: morning because people get out there and set up art
Speaker 4: hof for like no especially like near the brewery district.
Speaker 4: They get out there at like nine eight o'clock trying
Speaker 4: to get a space. Like it's like a Green Bay
Speaker 4: Packer's tailgate or something. Right, people areut there like twelve
Speaker 4: hours early.
Speaker 1: So I mean there's gonna be no vendors out there
Speaker 1: in the street.
Speaker 4: There's not supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Not supposed to be supposed to be even the people
Speaker 1: that you said did it right, nobody, They just didn't
Speaker 1: want nobody out there.
Speaker 4: And then so like any of the any of the
Speaker 4: stuff that happens like on city property, so streets, you know,
Speaker 4: streets would be city property, sidewalks like the stuff we're doing.
Speaker 4: We're back inside Tyoga, which is sort of what we
Speaker 4: did before, and it just would be back in the day.
Speaker 4: It just got so crowded in there that we're like
Speaker 4: we gotta spread out, spread it all out. So it
Speaker 4: was put in the street. So we're gonna have We're
Speaker 4: gonna have like four food trucks and some some artists
Speaker 4: and vendors and stuff inside inside Tayoga. So we can
Speaker 4: do that because it's on private property. There's a lot
Speaker 4: across the street. This private property. We're gonna have a
Speaker 4: couple of food trucks. So it's not gonna be like
Speaker 4: what it normally is in the Brew District, but it's
Speaker 4: gonna be like close. I don't know what else, you know,
Speaker 4: who else is planning?
Speaker 2: What I know?
Speaker 4: The guy that does Alley in the valley at least
Speaker 4: is said on Instagram he's.
Speaker 2: Still gonna do it.
Speaker 4: He's not calling it art hop, he's calling it first Thursdays.
Speaker 4: And but it mean it's gonna be on city property.
Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see if the city actually
Speaker 4: goes out and enforces it or if they just say,
Speaker 4: like cause there was I don't know, maybe eight months ago. Again,
Speaker 4: this whole kind of thing has been going on for
Speaker 4: a while. They got Code Enforcement ABC. This is after
Speaker 4: the the guy because literally the guy with the beer
Speaker 4: in the ice chests, like a bunch of people saw
Speaker 4: that and they were like, we can't have this. So
Speaker 4: ABC came out, you know, alcohol, alcohol beverage Control, the county,
Speaker 4: the city.
Speaker 3: All that can't knock us.
Speaker 1: And they went out and.
Speaker 4: Just started trying to you know, enforce things or whatever
Speaker 4: and what they should. What I heard back was like
Speaker 4: Code Enforcements like, oh, people are being mean to us,
Speaker 4: like the vendors, because the vendors are like, you can't
Speaker 4: kick me out of here, and the quote Enforcement's like,
Speaker 4: oh well, okay, yeah, just back down. And it's like, well,
Speaker 4: now they think they could do whatever, So you're not
Speaker 4: gonna have any teeth if you go out and try
Speaker 4: to tell anybody else to leave. So I'm really curious
Speaker 4: see what happens today. If the vendors are just gonna
Speaker 4: be like, you can't tell me nothing, or if PD
Speaker 4: is actually gonna like kick them out, you know, that's
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting and it's funny. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: off topic, but it exactly mirrors the entire conversation about
Speaker 4: the homeless population too, right, because that's also going on
Speaker 4: right now, and it's like you're just gonna round people
Speaker 4: up and kick them out and somewhere else.
Speaker 2: And so the city is doing.
Speaker 4: A lot of this right now, and it's it's hard
Speaker 4: to it's hard to like look at it and be like, man,
Speaker 4: this makes a lot of sense, because it just I
Speaker 4: don't know that it does.
Speaker 1: So you you agree with it should have been regulated,
Speaker 1: there should have been somebody in charge, but just the
Speaker 1: way they're going about it is just wrong, I think.
Speaker 4: So I think I think it needed somebody to make
Speaker 4: sure that we're.
Speaker 1: Not selling beers out of I think that's fair. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, just why can't you just pull up and
Speaker 1: you know, ask these people do you have the right documents,
Speaker 1: you have, the insurance you have, and then that's how
Speaker 1: you regulate it. And it could still go. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why everybody.
Speaker 4: Those food vendors don't right, Yeah, And but I also
Speaker 4: think that you know, I'm I'm of the camp of
Speaker 4: like people will set up right outside our event in
Speaker 4: a food truck or just has a tent or whatever,
Speaker 4: And I mean we could go over there and tell
Speaker 4: them like, hey, get out of here, but we don't.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: Instead, we'd rather be like, hey, so you got a
Speaker 4: food truck, Okay, cool, Well here's what it takes to
Speaker 4: join us, Like if you want to be legit with
Speaker 4: residence d It's like, yeah, that's my approach to doing things.
Speaker 4: And that I think the city in the beginning sort
Speaker 4: of took that approach of like, well, you know, if
Speaker 4: you want to if you have this food standing, you
Speaker 4: want to become legitimate, here's.
Speaker 2: What you got to do.
Speaker 4: So education rather than enforcement, yeah, which I think is
Speaker 4: the right way to do that kind of thing. So
Speaker 4: I would say, if you're if you're out there and
Speaker 4: you're trying like if you're trying to be a legitimate business,
Speaker 4: Like my goal is to open up a restaurant, so
Speaker 4: right now, I just got this this grill in this
Speaker 4: tent or whatever. But like, yeah, I'll get a business
Speaker 4: license and all the awesome, fantastic you're helping that person
Speaker 4: on their on their journey if you are, and I
Speaker 4: know you guys know this because you live in the
Speaker 4: same world I do. If you're one of those people
Speaker 4: that's standing out a concert outside of a concert trying
Speaker 4: to sell bootleg T shirts because there's twenty thousand people inside,
Speaker 4: like those are the same kind of people that.
Speaker 2: Show up at our hop, right, They're just hustlers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to sell something because there's twenty
Speaker 4: thousand people here, and so if those people are doing
Speaker 4: something illegal, then I would say, yeah, like get rid
Speaker 4: of them. If they're just like, hey, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: sell like a bootleg T shirt whatever, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't really care. But if you're if you're doing something
Speaker 4: that is that is illegal, I would be like, somebody
Speaker 4: needs to enforce that.
Speaker 3: All the things that you're saying right now. Did you
Speaker 3: bring this up to them.
Speaker 1: Yes, And was there a response to that.
Speaker 4: So this is this is the other part that we
Speaker 4: haven't gone into it. So the big, the big argument
Speaker 4: from the city is this, uh we we mean the
Speaker 4: we be in the city. The city will tell you
Speaker 4: we don't have the police presence to handle our hop
Speaker 4: as it is on Thursdays. There's too many people and
Speaker 4: there's too much other crime in President on a Thursday
Speaker 4: that we don't have enough cops. Basically, if something goes wrong,
Speaker 4: right or if.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the thing that was correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: didn't they say, like, yeah, it's true, all these years,
Speaker 3: nothing's happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's black a couple of random you know, like
Speaker 4: but it's also the kind of stuff that that happens
Speaker 4: on a Thursday. Like somebody was stabbed, right, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't in during art hot proper. It was like hours
Speaker 4: later kind of near downtown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and we're happy to was a Christmas
Speaker 1: tree lane. There was like a stab me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just like it's stuff happens.
Speaker 4: But so so, but there is there is definitely there
Speaker 4: was definitely a desire from the city to kind of
Speaker 4: split the events, and I know the Arts Council has
Speaker 4: been big in that, so that's kind of why I
Speaker 4: wonder what happened behind closed doors. So I mean, as
Speaker 4: a I guess there was. There was a meeting on
Speaker 4: Tuesday that I went to along with a lot of
Speaker 4: the other event organizers, some downtown business owners, the mayor,
Speaker 4: Miguel Arrius, people like that, and they kind of rolled
Speaker 4: out their plan of like we're gonna do art hop
Speaker 4: is going to be indoors only the Arts Council is
Speaker 4: going to be in charge of it. The quote was,
Speaker 4: and even I'll pull up my phone and read it
Speaker 4: to you exactly because I wrote it down. It was
Speaker 4: like that we want to return art hop to uh,
Speaker 4: preserve art hop as it was originally intended. So they
Speaker 4: want art hop to be what it was, what it
Speaker 4: originally intended to be. And then we wanted to take
Speaker 4: street party part of it and make it a different
Speaker 4: event on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: Uh. I don't even know what to say to that.
Speaker 2: And so that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 4: That's and they rolled that out also to the public
Speaker 4: last night at a different at a different meeting. So
Speaker 4: I think today what you're going to see today is
Speaker 4: sort of like this weird kind of in between, you.
Speaker 3: Know, kind of thing and transition some people are you
Speaker 3: feel like some people are still going to be out
Speaker 3: there hustling and setting up.
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think people are going to keep
Speaker 4: doing that regardless, right because the people that the people
Speaker 4: that are doing that, I don't think are paying attention
Speaker 4: to social media or the news or you know, they're
Speaker 4: not like, like, I trucks hit me up today like hey,
Speaker 4: how do we get into art hop? And I'm like,
Speaker 4: do you live under a rock?
Speaker 3: Because you know that park that's near my apartment complex
Speaker 3: and with those uh everyone says the umbrella, the that
Speaker 3: place was packed with food trucks and people. You're telling
Speaker 3: me there won't be anyone out there that is that is.
Speaker 4: A thing that So you guys know Tony from Vinder
Speaker 4: Village he works with us. Yeah, yeah, so he operates
Speaker 4: that like we helped him get to permit and sort
Speaker 4: of he operates that as like a vendor village street.
Speaker 4: He's collaboration. So yeah, that's not that's not allowed. Oh
Speaker 4: those permits that we have for those events, they're they're
Speaker 4: just not honoring them.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's this area is perfect for I know, yeah,
Speaker 3: like family friendly.
Speaker 4: And like we could get that permit, for instance, on
Speaker 4: a Friday night and do that every Friday night if
Speaker 4: we you know, like no issue with.
Speaker 1: That, but they just don't want it done on our heart.
Speaker 3: That is so that that's what it's gonna suck for
Speaker 3: me because the first Thursdays of every month, just the
Speaker 3: energy when I go home after work, because the people
Speaker 3: start coming out at five pm and then I go
Speaker 3: out my balcony thousands of it's so cool to see.
Speaker 1: This is like what upsets me because it's very like
Speaker 1: a Fresno thing that happens. Right, Like we we try
Speaker 1: to have like our own identity. We try to be
Speaker 1: our own people. We try to grow things like for
Speaker 1: the people organically. You know, I've always been somebody I
Speaker 1: was born and raised here and I always you know,
Speaker 1: everyone just talked about how bad downtown was. It was
Speaker 1: the trash, no one goes there. And then you know,
Speaker 1: when they built the stadium down there, it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is going to bring back downtown and then all
Speaker 1: these apartments. Yeah, all the past few years, like downtown
Speaker 1: is like where it's at, it's popping. It's grown organically
Speaker 1: the people. I've grown it people like Mike oz of
Speaker 1: how the situation and everything's going good and then here
Speaker 1: comes the city and says, oh nope. And it's just
Speaker 1: like every time we have something like we could just
Speaker 1: never have nice things. That's saying right, like Freze could
Speaker 1: just never have nice things?
Speaker 2: Athers me.
Speaker 4: Is that you know, I've been here. I'm not from here, right,
Speaker 4: but I've been here long enough. Now, I've been here
Speaker 4: for twenty years. I grew up, I came here to
Speaker 4: work for the be right, So I was writing about
Speaker 4: like downtown and sort of I immediately when I got
Speaker 4: here was like, Yo, this place is this place could
Speaker 4: be really dope, and so I kind of started to
Speaker 4: you know, push that like that was sort of one
Speaker 4: of the things I was into as a journalist, was
Speaker 4: like trying to get people to go downtown. And I've
Speaker 4: seen so many different ideas that that people have invested
Speaker 4: money and time in that just don't work, right, start,
Speaker 4: start and stop and all this thing, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is finally the thing that worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, be like no.
Speaker 4: And I it seems to me like like let's say
Speaker 4: that you're you know, you're you're a little kid and
Speaker 4: every year you ask for a pony, right, and like
Speaker 4: fifteen years you don't get a pony, and then finally
Speaker 4: you get a pony, and the first time the pony
Speaker 4: takes a shit, you don't want to clean it up
Speaker 4: and you don't want a pony anymore.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Like, you guys, you got.
Speaker 4: Everything you wanted. Finally you got people coming downtown.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I mean, figure it out instead of.
Speaker 1: It's a scene down there and they're just like, nah no,
Speaker 1: we don't want to sing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I feel like there has to be there had to
Speaker 4: be other solutions, Like I completely understand. So this is
Speaker 4: the other thing I didn't get to right on the Wednesday.
Speaker 4: So this is why they're they're pitching Wednesdays pretty hard.
Speaker 4: Is that they say that they have an excess of
Speaker 4: police officers on Wednesdays because there's a lot more crime
Speaker 4: on Thursday that there is on Wednesday. But from my perspective,
Speaker 4: so if they could come to me and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: you want to keep your Thursday thing cool, well you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to hire off duty police and pay them
Speaker 4: over time or whatever, and that's gonna cost like a
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. We have security at our event, which we
Speaker 4: just paid normal security rates and that's fine. And again
Speaker 4: that's why I feel like we should be We're different
Speaker 4: than just the sort of open streets where people just
Speaker 4: setting stuff up. But if they come in and tell
Speaker 4: every event organizer, like, hey, you guys need to split
Speaker 4: up like twenty thousand dollars in security costs, I mean
Speaker 4: PD costs, Like that'll kill our hot right there too. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: So the city is and I think they're being honest
Speaker 4: here trying to figure out a way to do it
Speaker 4: in a way that they don't pass all those costs
Speaker 4: onto us, that they can eat the cost of of
Speaker 4: like PD enforcement and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Which I think a city should do.
Speaker 4: You should that you should be doing that in the
Speaker 4: interest of having people assemble in your downtown. So that's
Speaker 4: that's another reason for the Wednesday. But I guess the
Speaker 4: point that I was gonna get to was, uh, actually
Speaker 4: I forgot proud to go for it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I mean, now they're gonna split it
Speaker 1: in two days. So they want, you know, the art
Speaker 1: hop on Thursday, and then if they want the street vendors,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be like on a Wednesday, we don't know.
Speaker 4: We don't know what Wednesday yet. There's gonna be a
Speaker 4: meeting tomorrow to kind of talk more about this.
Speaker 3: We'll see, you know, someone's going to create something down
Speaker 3: the line, and like, but it's.
Speaker 1: Not organic now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: What I worry about is like, you know, the the
Speaker 4: when they came to us about, hey, we're gonna do
Speaker 4: these little block party things. You know, we're gonna put
Speaker 4: you you're in charge of this block. I mean that
Speaker 4: was only three or four years ago, and that was
Speaker 4: a different city manager. Different you know, same mayor, but
Speaker 4: different city manager. And that was their idea then. So
Speaker 4: like let's say we do this thing, and three years
Speaker 4: from now they're like, oh, well we actually don't want
Speaker 4: to do Wednesdays anymore now, we want to do something else,
Speaker 4: you know. And it's like it took twenty years to
Speaker 4: build what we built with our hop.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping that you know, there's these solutions that
Speaker 3: you've already brought up that you would like to see
Speaker 3: hopefully slowly things can change again. But do you feel
Speaker 3: like that energy will be where people will be over it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, tonight would be kind of
Speaker 1: a good test. I guess, do you see this this
Speaker 1: kind of fading away or do you think they're going
Speaker 1: to stay on top of this.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't know that I see it fading away.
Speaker 4: I mean I think that it's become such a big deal.
Speaker 4: An example that I would maybe use is, I don't know,
Speaker 4: three or four months ago, there was there's there's I
Speaker 4: can always been complaints in the tower about you know
Speaker 4: a lot of the vendors that are out, you know,
Speaker 4: really late and sort of being in the way, and
Speaker 4: there's all the restaurants there. But you go to the
Speaker 4: tower like Friday, Saturday, Thursday night, I mean, there's tons
Speaker 4: of food trucks and just tends all the same kind
Speaker 4: of stuff, right, And so they went in there and
Speaker 4: they said, okay, we're gonna have this new sort of
Speaker 4: thing for vendors, and it they did it, I don't know,
Speaker 4: a couple weeks and then it kind of just went away.
Speaker 4: But I don't that didn't definitely did not get as
Speaker 4: much attention as this. So I would be shocked if
Speaker 4: it just went back to the way it was in
Speaker 4: like three weeks, you know, or because it is a
Speaker 4: once a month thing, so I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: something like the tower we're talking about every Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 4: Saturday is a little harder to patrol.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like what would they do.
Speaker 4: For instance, Let's say if people just started coming out
Speaker 4: every day, right, it's just like you know, basically, you know,
Speaker 4: there's too much for code enforcement to handle.
Speaker 2: Then what happens.
Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of different aspects of this.
Speaker 4: But I do feel like the city is if they're
Speaker 4: going to commit resources to Wednesday, which they're saying they
Speaker 4: are they have, then they have an interest in making
Speaker 4: Wednesday's work. And I brought that up too. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you guys are not in the event business. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: you know, are you gonna you're gonna engage people like us?
Speaker 4: And are you gonna pay us? Or are you still
Speaker 4: can do this for free? And you know, there's all
Speaker 4: kinds of questions there that we haven't figured out. And
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think that there is in a
Speaker 4: for the people by the people kind of way, a
Speaker 4: chance to maybe imagine what would we do if we
Speaker 4: could you know, an ideal world, and hope that you know,
Speaker 4: we can do that. Like one of the one of
Speaker 4: the Brewer re district bar owners we've talked for a
Speaker 4: while and the brewer restrict about like can we just
Speaker 4: get open carry, so just even on that block, so
Speaker 4: you could walk you can walk out of full Circle
Speaker 4: with a beer and walk into Tiogo with you know
Speaker 4: where you could walk out of Moderates with a mixed drin,
Speaker 4: could take it over to Tyoga and all that would
Speaker 4: be legal. And if you do that, I mean that's
Speaker 4: a game changer, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the one of the bar owners is like, well,
Speaker 4: can we do that on Wednesdays? Because that would that
Speaker 4: would be cool, That would be different, you know. And
Speaker 4: if downtown Fresno is like the one place where you
Speaker 4: could walk around with a beer in the street like
Speaker 4: New Orleans, then awesome downtown.
Speaker 1: For that, right.
Speaker 4: But if our whole thing is like, oh, we don't
Speaker 4: have police, if we don't have diffrastructure, then what's going
Speaker 4: to happen?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 4: You know, So it's it's just this kind of chicken
Speaker 4: egg thing in that regard. But I think there has
Speaker 4: to be something different about it, right, and it has
Speaker 4: to be like, you know, beyond what we're doing now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it has to be cooler than that in order to
Speaker 4: kind of re engage the people.
Speaker 1: And like you said, like these things take time. I mean,
Speaker 1: look how long it took for you know, our hop
Speaker 1: to pop off and trying to start a Wednesday. I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's tough.
Speaker 4: How long it takes took us to get fredjust to
Speaker 4: what Fred jus is right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true when it comes to Okay, let's just
Speaker 3: kind of focus on tonight. Are you is your spirit
Speaker 3: down about it? Or is your spirit kind of high
Speaker 3: hoping people show up to tie?
Speaker 4: My spirit is way down man. Yeah, Like I feel
Speaker 4: I feel very defeated.
Speaker 1: And I feel that energy is like people are feeling
Speaker 1: that energy, and I feel like that alone is you know,
Speaker 1: going to make people not even want to show up.
Speaker 3: I've seen on social media like I'm not going and
Speaker 3: rest in peace of art up like and for me
Speaker 3: for someone that lives down there, like man, Like, like
Speaker 3: I said, I love energy and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the reality is it's hard to get people
Speaker 4: downtown as it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, you could just.
Speaker 3: I'm always surprised about the every Thursday. I'm like, why
Speaker 3: is there thousands?
Speaker 1: You can just go to River.
Speaker 4: Park or you can go to Campus Point, yeah, Clovis
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Man, well, yeah, tonight's gonna be uh yeah, we'll see
Speaker 3: how it goes tonight. We're gonna see how it kind
Speaker 3: of changes through each month hopefully things kind of I
Speaker 3: don't want to say get back to normal or.
Speaker 2: We're looking to you.
Speaker 4: It's very much of a wait and see, Like I'm wait,
Speaker 4: I'm approaching this almost like it's it's the super Bowl, right,
Speaker 4: and I'm just I'm just gonna I just want to watch.
Speaker 2: And see what happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't have any I don't have any
Speaker 4: basis of whatever, Like I'm gonna sit out there with
Speaker 4: some tacos or something and just kind of like observe, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I have to see it with my own eyes
Speaker 4: before I can gauge, like what's gonna happen next, Like
Speaker 4: are people still gonna come out and hey, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna go do whatever we're gonna do, or are they
Speaker 4: gonna be like, no, we're not going to your our galleries.
Speaker 2: We're here for the street party.
Speaker 4: And if nobody's there all of a sudden, like people
Speaker 4: are like, oh crap, they.
Speaker 2: The indoor thing.
Speaker 4: People aren't into that, they're into the outdoor thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when the weather gets better too. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: let's let's switch it up to like, let's focus on
Speaker 3: what is happening. I saw, I saw you post something
Speaker 3: on social I don't know if this already passed that
Speaker 3: gelato spot something happening to the.
Speaker 4: Story with the gelato thing is when this happened, the
Speaker 4: owners posted their sales for like what their sales are
Speaker 4: like on a Thursday versus what their sales are like
Speaker 4: on ourt hop, and it was like, I don't remember
Speaker 4: the exact numbers, but it was like ten times, you know,
Speaker 4: ten times more on our hob And so I was thinking, well,
Speaker 4: it is my birthday, Like what can I do as
Speaker 4: like a sort of a form of sort of protests
Speaker 4: but also just like as a you know, community good
Speaker 4: will thing. So what I said was, Okay, I'll buy
Speaker 4: you know, two hundred fifty dollars worth of gelato for
Speaker 4: anybody who comes in and says it's my causes birthday.
Speaker 4: Just take a way to help them on that day,
Speaker 4: right then also get back to the community a little bit.
Speaker 4: But also hopefully someone sees that and recognizes, like, you know,
Speaker 4: you are hurting these small bitusinesses and it takes people
Speaker 4: like this doing maybe some extreme measures to help them
Speaker 4: because so many vendors down there, so many businesses and
Speaker 4: when I say businesses, I mean that's just our food trucks,
Speaker 4: but like even Tyoga, right, this is their biggest day
Speaker 4: of the month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these Thursdays is like their money maker. And then
Speaker 1: you just take that away from it away, especially.
Speaker 2: With two weeks.
Speaker 4: Notice, right, that's one thing to be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you just can't do this. It's it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of the point I'm trying to make
Speaker 4: with that. So if you get this out right away,
Speaker 4: it's from one to eight, you can get in there
Speaker 4: until I mean, first come, first serve obviously, So we're
Speaker 4: doing that. I'm doing that just as like a a thing,
Speaker 4: just to do it.
Speaker 3: This new gelato spot is just around the corner of
Speaker 3: Warner's Theaters.
Speaker 4: It's on Tallow Me up next to Fulton Strea Coffee.
Speaker 4: If you know where Fulton and Shake Cofee is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so go go support that.
Speaker 4: There's there's there are a few places who have stepped
Speaker 4: up and are trying to bring vendors inside. So like
Speaker 4: c MAAC for instance, has I think a good amount
Speaker 4: of vendors inside JSA, which is kind of right over
Speaker 4: by the park. They they I think, have a good
Speaker 4: amount of vendors inside. So I think that's what what's
Speaker 4: if just me looking at this objectively and saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: what's the move for art hop in the future, It's
Speaker 4: gonna be finding these indoor spaces where a bunch of
Speaker 4: vendors can set up and you know, create like indoor
Speaker 4: type things.
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna be at ty Yoga.
Speaker 4: I'll be at Taigo, but I'm gonna be just be
Speaker 4: walking around like check it all out. Streets will be
Speaker 4: at t streets will be across there's a there's like
Speaker 4: this old auto care a lot that the people that
Speaker 4: own sun Steria Warehouse they bought it and they're gonna
Speaker 4: turn it into like another micro business hub thing. And
Speaker 4: so for right now, they're gonna let uschoose a lot
Speaker 4: this week. Around the corner. There's a lot on Veness
Speaker 4: that is attached to the thrift stores over there, and
Speaker 4: there's an artist guy who's turning that into kind of
Speaker 4: like a little event because it's private property. Alley in
Speaker 4: the Valley is still kind of doing their thing, and
Speaker 4: that one spot, we'll see what happens there. They partnered
Speaker 4: up with the Rose which you know over there on
Speaker 4: on Venice and they're doing like an indoor thing. So
Speaker 4: there's definitely some places that are doing into things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, so that would be sort of
Speaker 2: the Cocky move I guess.
Speaker 4: Well, I think Cocky's is doing their later thing that
Speaker 4: they always do that, okay, but I think some people,
Speaker 4: some people are trying to bring in Mez Kyle I
Speaker 4: think is one that they are like, hey, if you're
Speaker 4: a vendor and you want to come set up inside,
Speaker 4: you know, so some of the people are doing that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I mean, yeah, that's cool. Businesses trying to
Speaker 1: help other businesses and you know, trying to keep this
Speaker 1: thing stay afloat. At the end of the day, though,
Speaker 1: like the people need to be out there, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what's going to make this thing work. And I
Speaker 1: just feel, not to be negative, I just feel like
Speaker 1: people's energy is there there they might be over it,
Speaker 1: and that's what sucks, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think it feels again if you feel defeated, if
Speaker 4: you feel like you've been turned away or cast aside,
Speaker 4: or like hey, they don't want to hear anymore.
Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the.
Speaker 4: Worst part, right, Yeah, exactly, you're saying that to you know,
Speaker 4: thousands of young people, because this is a lot of
Speaker 4: young people. And I think that's the big difference in
Speaker 4: my mind, is that a lot of these a lot
Speaker 4: of these people of this age, when I was that age,
Speaker 4: I didn't want to do They hated forres though, right,
Speaker 4: I can't wait to.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Not to mention downtown fres though,
Speaker 1: especially down there.
Speaker 4: And now it's seems like the younger generation is like, no,
Speaker 4: this place is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get which is what we wanted.
Speaker 1: But no, that's too much.
Speaker 2: Create a bunch of super villains man like them away.
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Speaker 4: Oh, as I'm sure you guys are. I mean, I know,
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Speaker 3: They sold the twenty dollars ticket thing or is that
Speaker 3: done already?
Speaker 4: I think it's still going okay, or it's I think
Speaker 4: it's twenty five or something like that. Yeah, But I
Speaker 4: would say, I mean, I don't know, I don't know how,
Speaker 4: I don't know what are how close we are on
Speaker 4: a sort of a bigger name. But if we get
Speaker 4: that person, I would say, you're twenty five twenty dollars
Speaker 4: ticket as well worth it?
Speaker 3: Oh man a November the next the top number nine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: looking forward to it. Man, Well, we appreciate you just
Speaker 3: shedding some light.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm happy to sit and explain it to people,
Speaker 4: because like, yeah, I think I haven't even sat and
Speaker 4: like just explained it to anybody like this, and it
Speaker 4: makes a lot, Like you have to know a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff because somebody yesterday was like, the city's just
Speaker 4: trying to do this so they can charge admission, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I trust me, They're not doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's not what anybody's trying to do.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where people hear and the
Speaker 1: more that gets passed on, the information kind of gets muddled.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you were kind of here to kind
Speaker 1: of clean things up because I myself didn't even really
Speaker 1: know exactly what was going on.
Speaker 4: I understand that, like there is a frozen WRTS council
Speaker 4: and there is a down Yeah, yeah, one of the
Speaker 4: roles that these people have, and why city has nothing
Speaker 4: to do with any of this until recently. And you know,
Speaker 4: I mean somebody was trying to tell me or didn't
Speaker 4: tell me, but I checked them on it. Like street
Speaker 4: Eats is in charge of every food truck or art hop.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, we're not so all right man.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, let's see what happens tonight. Go support Go
Speaker 3: support Happy birthday you and yeah until next time.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah? Man, this could get me for our podcast.