WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.519 This could give me for our podcast What Up on Gizzo? 2 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:11.320 That is John Magic and we are back. 3 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:11.679 All right. 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.480 This is one of those special episodes where we're actually 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.199 recording it and we're gonna release it on the same 6 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.640 day because the topic has something to do with the 7 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.559 downtown Fresnel art hop and today is August first, as 8 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.160 the recording of this podcast, and so if you're listening 9 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.800 to this after it might sound out of context, but 10 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:33.079 the main topic will be about the whole downtown Fresno 11 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:39.159 news about art hop changing. And we brought one of 12 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:43.439 our friends guests, our special guest today. He's been on 13 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:47.759 before when we first started interviewing guests on our podcast, 14 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.600 so it's good to have him back. And he's very 15 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:55.200 knowledgeable in today's topic about art hop. He's one of 16 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.520 the founders of Fresne Street Eats. He's also one of 17 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.280 the originators of the Taco Truck throw Down. And if 18 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.920 I'm not mistaken, it's your birthday today, ladies, and Mike 19 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:05.760 Oz is here. 20 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:09.799 Back in the building. Yeah, yeah, there you go. 21 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:13.920 First, Sam and heck that I'm up. 22 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.000 Well, happy birthday first and foremost. But yeah, let's just 23 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.480 get to this. The whole art hop thing, because today's 24 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.359 the first day that it's going to have its new style. 25 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:31.079 Can we go back for the people that are listening, 26 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.799 uh and are not familiar to art hop, can you 27 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:36.319 tell them real quick about art hop? 28 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.920 Honestly, I feel like most people don't even understand how 29 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.280 art hop works. What what I would love to do 30 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.519 is just break down for you, like how it all 31 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.040 even works, right, and sort of who the players are, 32 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.120 just to set the table for all the other stuff 33 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.560 that's gonna happen. Yeah, okay, So art hop is a 34 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.840 thing that I believe it could happen anywhere, right, there's 35 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:56.480 art hops in other cities. So in Fresno it was 36 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.840 started by the Fresnow Arts Council, and they're sort of 37 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:03.719 a collective of you know people that that you know, 38 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.120 promote the arts. So they promer art galleries, they promer artists, 39 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.240 stuff like that. So they started art hop back in 40 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.520 like nineteen ninety six, I believe, maybe before that, but 41 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.360 like back in the nineties. So they are they are 42 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:18.479 the presiding entity over art hop, like they are in 43 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:23.360 charge of art hop. But as art hop kind of grew, 44 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:26.240 you know, it's changed over the year. So I remember 45 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.159 going to art hop in like the early like two thousands, right, 46 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:30.639 so like two thousand and three, two thousand and four, 47 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.080 and at that point, like it was mostly in galleries. 48 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:35.319 You would start to get your that's when we started 49 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.919 to see your first sort of like outdoor stuff. But 50 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.919 a lot of times I was, you know, twenty four 51 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.680 twenty five years old. People my age would go and 52 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.520 we weren't really interested in like art on the walls 53 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.199 and galleries, right, You go in there because they'd have 54 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.639 free wine and they'd have free food sometimes, and then 55 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:51.319 you'd go to a couple of the galleries. You'd be like, oh, 56 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.560 that's pretty cool, like whatever, and then you'd go somewhere 57 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.039 to a bar, you'd go party somewhere. Right, That's kind 58 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:58.879 of like what art hop was, And honestly, I feel 59 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:00.919 like that's still kind of what art hop is, right like, 60 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:02.800 And so all these people that say it's changed, like, 61 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.639 in my mind, it hasn't really changed all that much, 62 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:05.719 just changed like where you. 63 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:09.719 Go so real quick has also changed with the amount 64 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:10.599 of people's. 65 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.960 That's probably like what change, they just got bigger. 66 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:17.240 Uh So, So the Arts Council had always kind of 67 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:19.840 been in charge of art hob But to be sort 68 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.439 of an art hop venue, you have to sign up 69 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.560 and you pay them like dues, right, which I think 70 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.280 right now it's around two hundred bucks, maybe a little 71 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.879 bit less. So let's use an example of like Tioguskoy, right, 72 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.719 who we work with. Tierguskoya is signed up as an 73 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.879 official art hop venue. Then after that, the Arts Council 74 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:36.639 really doesn't have much to do with like what they 75 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.599 do at their place. So like Tioga, they can bring 76 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.360 in whatever artists they want. They could come to us 77 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:42.800 and get food trucks and they could do all of 78 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.199 those things. So the Arts Council really just is like, Okay, 79 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.960 you're part of our thing, and if you need services, 80 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:49.199 like if you come to them and say, hey, I'm 81 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:50.840 looking for an artist, they might be able to refer 82 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.520 you out or like hey, you know, can we do this? 83 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.439 Can you promote this? And then the Arts Council kind 84 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:56.680 of promotes the galleries and stuff. 85 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.240 Right real quick, let me let me just so I 86 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.120 could be clear during art hop Tyoga needs to pay 87 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:03.719 the council. 88 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:05.599 It's like a once a year thing. Oh wow, Okay, 89 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:07.759 it's like a membership kind of thing. Right. That was 90 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.439 like every third Ye it's like to be like a 91 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.159 member of art hop every year. So that's how the 92 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.759 URS Council kind of sustained it's got it. So then 93 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.319 what happens is, you know, these like outdoor things start 94 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.759 to pop up, and you know, I've heard it explain 95 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:22.839 that a lot of the a lot of people who 96 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:25.399 are artists, right, and artists is a very wide term, 97 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.399 don't feel like they're accepted in the galleries because galleries 98 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.720 are sort of a different thing, and I'm just gonna 99 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.399 set up outside and start selling stuff, right, And so 100 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:34.160 that starts happening. 101 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.279 So these are like the the booth that starts setting 102 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.879 up on the sidewalk, and some. 103 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.959 Of them are legitimately painters or whatever, right they feel like, well, 104 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.600 I'm not a gallery person, I'm you know whatever. And 105 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.600 then that leads to more and more of that, and 106 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:52.439 then you start getting people selling trinkets and shirts, you. 107 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:53.279 Know, all that kind of stuff. 108 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.160 And so it's at some point, like I would say 109 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.319 pre COVID was when you started to see a lot 110 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:03.680 of stuff happening in the street yep. And so at 111 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.040 that point though, it's kind of up to the art 112 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:06.800 the Arts Council kind of just as the oversight on 113 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.879 the venues and the venues kind of do their own thing. 114 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.399 And if you wanted to go out there and sell something, 115 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:13.879 just to find a street corner or partner with the 116 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:15.639 venue and say hey, can I just set up outside 117 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.839 your place? You know that's between you and them, right, Like, 118 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.360 nobody really is caring about that. The city is not 119 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:22.839 involved in this at all at this point. 120 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.800 Right, city they're not paying a yearly. 121 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.160 No city has well, I mean, City Hall is an 122 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.360 art hop venue, so maybe the city actually plays, but 123 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.240 I mean, it wasn't like the city, city council or 124 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:34.240 anything like that decided what goes on in art hop or 125 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.839 at any say in art hop, right, which is as 126 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.199 we're gonna get to that sort of you know what's 127 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:39.800 changing now? 128 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.079 Can I Can I just paint the picture real quick 129 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.279 of because I live in downtown and uh, that's when 130 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:52.120 I started seeing the masses. It's a block party. I 131 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.079 would I live right on Fulton and I would just 132 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.879 look outside and thousands of people are walking the streets 133 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.360 and yeah, on the sidewalk, it's just booths of from 134 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.120 food to art to little What are the things that 135 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.759 you buy for the crocs, anything you could think of 136 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.439 someone selling something and the energy. I was like, this 137 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:19.560 is amazing. Music everywhere, food trucks everywhere. There's a park, 138 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:22.759 like right near my apartment complex. I remember one year 139 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:26.839 there was salsa dancing there. It is a vibe. It 140 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.639 is such real quick. There outside my apartment complex, somebody 141 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.279 was doing a BATCHI a whole full grill set up 142 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.360 and selling stuff. So it was. 143 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.519 Probably a vibe, that's what I'm saying, right, so that 144 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:40.720 stuff starts happening. I remember being down there and like, 145 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:43.040 you know, again the same area, there was somebody that 146 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.920 was in one of those apartments that's also like a 147 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:46.959 loft and you know, like a mixed use place, and 148 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.279 there was a band that was just playing you know, 149 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.319 in front of the like on the doorstep, and the 150 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:52.920 crowd was like blocking the street. 151 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:54.439 So you get stuff like that. 152 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:58.120 Yeah, the teasy guys and myself we DJed at one 153 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.399 of a balcony and that. Yeah, it's just such a 154 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:02.040 great energy. 155 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:03.560 So all that stuff was always like, yeah, you just 156 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.720 do whatever right, like and if you're a if you're 157 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.600 a if you have a business or whatever. People just 158 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.920 started doing that and like started building all these other 159 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.079 things around and so around the pandemic, I think is 160 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.240 when the city started to look around and be like, 161 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.600 all right, look like we might be running into some 162 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:20.160 issues here. 163 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:22.319 So I remember, as we. 164 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.079 Start to come out of the pandemic, I get on 165 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.279 a phone call with the city manager at the time, 166 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.120 a bunch of other people at the city and some 167 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:31.720 other folks, and they're like, Hey, this is what we 168 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:33.959 want to do. We want to create these two block 169 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.079 party kind of ideas. One is the one in the 170 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.079 Brewer District that we manage, and one was over by 171 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:39.839 Warner's Theater, where we're going to shut down the streets 172 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:41.879 or you can shut down the streets like it was 173 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:43.959 up to us to do it and sort of have 174 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.399 some semblance of like order right, like you you can 175 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.600 curate the stuff, you can bring in the food trucks, whatever, 176 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.519 and here's here's how we're going to do it. 177 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.600 We're going to walk you through the process. 178 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.399 On getting the road closure and you know, you got 179 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.000 to get insurance, you got to pay this. And so 180 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:58.759 that's the first time I ever shut down the street. 181 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:00.399 And it was you know, sort of at the urging 182 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:04.279 of the city because they wanted to initiate some structure, okay, 183 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.000 And so that's how we ended up with that block 184 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.480 party in the brewery district. There was the one in 185 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.000 Warner's and then all the all the businesses in the street. 186 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.000 I couldn't get along about it. 187 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:11.600 So it stopped. 188 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:15.959 Okay, I don't I don't recall a street closure there there. 189 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.279 Was for a while. And so DFP was Downtown Friends 190 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.160 of the Partnership there another entity we have to talk about. 191 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:21.240 They were involved in that. 192 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:25.279 So DFP is there like a a an association of 193 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:28.000 property owners downtown in a certain area. Right, so they 194 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.320 pay basically, they tax themselves and then DFP provides marketing 195 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:33.919 and events and stuff like that. 196 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:34.159 Right. 197 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.320 So DFP for a while has kind of been like, hey, 198 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.759 I think we should be in charge of our hop, 199 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.360 right because we have more of a like the arts 200 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.399 Council kind of threw up his hands and said, Hey, 201 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.159 all this other stuff that's happened in that's not our 202 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:47.039 We're not in charge of that. That's not our problem. 203 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:48.320 We're not going to patrol it, we're not going to 204 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.919 be the police. And so you started to run into 205 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.080 this thing where they only cared about the galleries and 206 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.919 nobody cared about anything else that would go yeah, and 207 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.519 for the most part it was cool, right, there wasn't 208 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:00.919 a lot of problems. But as we've rest the problem 209 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.600 became that like nobody's in charge. And so that's kind 210 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.200 of how we got to today. Right. So you have 211 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.320 you know, the city then stepping in and being like, 212 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.799 I don't know, I think this needs to change, and 213 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.440 the Arts Council kind of being like, well, you know, we. 214 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.240 Don't have anything to do with anything that's happened in 215 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:18.639 the street. 216 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.799 And the people like me who's like, hey, we're doing 217 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.919 everything right, you know, we have all your permits, all 218 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.600 your stuff, like, there's no reason we should get shut down. 219 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.480 And there's a few other there's like four or five 220 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.600 people like me that have permits and do things the 221 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.519 right way, you know, like Alley in the Valley, mos Fresno, 222 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.000 Bad Kids Club, and so we have our little spaces 223 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.120 that we pay for permits for and the insurance and 224 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.159 everything that goes into all that, and so we all 225 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:42.960 got shut down too. And that's sort of where I 226 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.080 was like, this is not fair, right, because if you're 227 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.080 targeting all the people who, let's say, you know, because 228 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.720 I've seen people out there on the corner selling you know, 229 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.799 tall cans out of a vocation, right, like all of 230 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.480 us know that's illegal. Yeah, nobody's enforcing it though, so whatever, 231 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:01.559 I haven't seen it with my own hands, but I 232 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:02.320 haven't seen in eyes. 233 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.039 I've seen. I saw that, I've. 234 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.159 Seen people they I've heard that they're people out there 235 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.960 selling edibles the kids, you know, and again, so those 236 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.840 are things that at some point somebody needs. 237 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.519 To take charge of. Uh. 238 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.519 So that's sort of how we got to where we 239 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.840 got to a couple of weeks ago where they said 240 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.240 we're just gonna shut it all down for the month 241 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.399 of August, right, And at that point I was like, man, 242 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.039 you can't do this two weeks out. You can't do 243 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.360 it to everybody. And in my head, the example was like, 244 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.759 if you see people speeding on the freeway, you don't 245 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.840 pull over all the cars. You pull over the cars 246 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:33.360 that are that are speeding, right, you don't give take 247 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.480 us to everyone. And so that's kind of where where 248 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.200 things got, right. So that was that press conference that 249 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.559 Miguel Aarius had. As I came to find out later, 250 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.519 the mayor was on vacation and didn't really even fully 251 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:46.559 know what was going on. 252 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:47.039 Geez. 253 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:48.799 Then the mayor gets back and they're like, all right, 254 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.320 we gotta figure we got to figure this whole thing 255 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.759 out right, which kind of brings us to this week where. 256 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.120 So the thing when I heard, you know, it became viral. 257 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:01.279 Everyone was posting about this announcement he makes, and the 258 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.480 thing that caught me off guard was him saying, nothing 259 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.840 has happened all these years, all these years, nothing has happened. 260 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.840 But we're gonna prevent that. But I'm a big believer 261 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.879 of it. Like, if it ain't broke, don't fix this 262 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:14.519 sort of thing. 263 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.840 Yeah. What I always liked about our hop is like 264 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.360 how organic it kind of grew and how it was 265 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.399 kind of for the people by the people essentially, and 266 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:25.840 then it just feels like every time somebody decides to 267 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.080 step in, that's when problems start happening. That's kind of 268 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:29.879 like what I feel. 269 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:36.200 Yeah, same Now you bring up the quote unquote allegedly 270 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:40.320 illegal sales of you know, when you when you I see, 271 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.480 I didn't know about that. Okay, I could see where. 272 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.440 They might want to regulate regulate that, but I'm. 273 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.399 With you with the people that are doing it the 274 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.440 right way, why are they getting. 275 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.600 Or you just go and you just go and regulate that, right, 276 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.000 you go and get rid of that person. You can't 277 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.279 do that, Like it seems pretty easy, Like that's why 278 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.559 you have police and code enforcement and all these kind 279 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:03.639 of things to be So what I felt like happened 280 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.320 was like everybody just didn't pay attention for a long time, 281 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.559 and then now they're like, uh, can I cuss on this? 282 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.080 Like shit, we gotta pay attention and oh man, what 283 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:14.559 are we gonna do? And they're all scrambling to figure 284 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.039 it out, and it's like, well, if it were me, 285 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.600 just just first of all, go address the problems. Right 286 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.879 if I look at it like this, right, if you 287 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.799 have this whole I don't know, five or six blocks 288 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.120 or whatever it is, well it's even more if you 289 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.679 go further down where you live ten blocks, right and say, 290 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.399 all right, well, look, we know that what Street's does 291 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.279 is good. We know that these places are all good. 292 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:36.639 So hey, we only got to worry about six blocks now, yeah, 293 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.559 and so let's let's focus on cleaning up these six 294 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.840 blocks and the next month let's do it again. Oh 295 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:42.519 you know, cool, Now we only have four blocks to 296 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.080 worry about. And the next month you only have two blocks. 297 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.559 You know, like that's how you progressively just sort of 298 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:48.360 fix the problem. 299 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.720 I agree to just everybody, Yeah, they there should have 300 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:57.000 been a better plan instead of like, oh, in two weeks, 301 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:58.759 we're shutting everyone down. 302 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.960 And and I mean, so the give you some other 303 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.519 contexts some of this. There was I don't know, two 304 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.559 or three years ago, there was a meeting where the 305 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.919 Arts Council and its board of directors wanted to I 306 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.519 don't know, maybe they were just complaining, but they it 307 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:16.480 seemed like they wanted to take back control of art Hop. 308 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.679 But then they don't really have the resources to manage it, right, 309 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.960 So a bunch of us went to this meeting ready 310 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.720 to like argue with them. You know that you can't 311 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.279 take this away. You can't just like get rid of 312 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:29.440 all these people. And it definitely seems I mean, I'm 313 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:31.440 wearing the Tacos and Trinkets shirt. I don't know if 314 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.440 you guys read that quote from one of the downtown 315 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.720 business owners. That's like art hop just turned into tacos 316 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:38.919 and trinkets, And a lot of it seemed very like 317 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.759 class ish, like you know, old versus new, and sort 318 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:44.879 of this like we think art hop should be this. 319 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.039 Somebody said to me at this time, art hop should 320 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.639 be an event for sophisticated adults. And I'm like, art 321 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.960 hop is an event for whoever decides it's an event. 322 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.799 Yeah, that's that's what I say, granically for the people. 323 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.639 Yeah, I mean if people want to do the high 324 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.799 art thing, yeah, there's options for everyone. 325 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.960 That was the best part about it. Yeah, whoever wants 326 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.240 to be a part of it, I'm saying, and just 327 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:05.960 do it the right way. 328 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:06.799 So this class has. 329 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:08.840 Been going on sort of like on the on the 330 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.759 d L a little bit for like three years now, 331 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.000 with the Arts Council trying to like, you know, we're 332 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.200 not happy with the way art hop is, right, but 333 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.080 we don't we don't really have the resources to fix it, 334 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.879 so I don't know. And then dfp's over here like, well, 335 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.440 you know, we we as the downtown people, see that 336 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.759 it needs something. Does somebody want to give us some 337 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.279 money and we can We'll be in charge of it, 338 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:32.480 And nobody gives them money and so so so this 339 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.720 they kind of just kicked the ball, you know, down 340 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:35.720 the road, down the road. 341 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.000 And then eventually. 342 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.480 Miguel Alreace comes knocking and is like hear all you 343 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.080 And I mean, so I see from my from sitting 344 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.039 where I sit and knowing all the things I know, 345 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:50.240 I see how that happens, right, Like eventually somebody with 346 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:51.200 some authority has. 347 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:51.519 To come in. 348 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.879 And it's kind of like being a parent and telling 349 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.799 your kids like, hey, do this thing. 350 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:58.840 I'm going to take away your your video games. Hey 351 00:14:58.879 --> 00:14:59.120 do this. 352 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.360 I've asked you three times, take away your thing. You 353 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:02.399 take away the video games? 354 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:04.440 Like why did you take away my video game? You know? 355 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.519 And I mean, I see it, right, but I also 356 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:08.279 feel like it could have been done differently. But I 357 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.360 wonder also behind the scenes, like you know, who's pressuring 358 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.080 who to say? You know, is the arts Council, Like, hey, 359 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.279 we really want we want to take back control of 360 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:17.960 our hop because this is our thing. We started this, 361 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.440 and they definitely have a pride about that. And that's true, 362 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.200 right they started it. But like it's me, I would say, 363 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.000 it's turned into something new. The younger generation has bought 364 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.279 in and adopted it. Yeah, it turned it into something different, 365 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.639 maybe better than what we maybe may not better, different 366 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.240 than what we thought it was gonna be. Yeah, but 367 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:38.600 that's cool, right, because ten or fifteen thousand people are 368 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:39.159 coming down. 369 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:42.840 Here when it was maybe, you know, seven hundred or. 370 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:48.120 So. Let's go to you know, today's August first, it's 371 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:53.799 gonna be the first starb That's that's changed. What when 372 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.840 I look out into my balcony, am I not gonna 373 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:01.159 see the sidewalks full of people walking up and down? 374 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:02.879 I mean the people is the biggest question. 375 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.600 I feel like, So you're not supposed to in theory, 376 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:06.879 you're not going to see all You're not going to 377 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.159 see the guy with theh habbachi grill on the street. 378 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.519 No tense, you're not supposed to be. 379 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:12.639 You're not supposed to suppos to. 380 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.399 So what I'm going to be upset about is if 381 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.320 they kicked out all of our legit vendors and then 382 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.000 they just let all the whoever vendors go up and yeah, 383 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.039 because it's like we're all doing it right. But I've 384 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.159 I've already seen pictures that cod enforceman is out this 385 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:25.960 morning because people get out there and set up art 386 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:28.679 hof for like no especially like near the brewery district. 387 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.559 They get out there at like nine eight o'clock trying 388 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.919 to get a space. Like it's like a Green Bay 389 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:36.799 Packer's tailgate or something. Right, people areut there like twelve 390 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:37.320 hours early. 391 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.440 So I mean there's gonna be no vendors out there 392 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:40.039 in the street. 393 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.039 There's not supposed to be. 394 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.000 Not supposed to be supposed to be even the people 395 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.360 that you said did it right, nobody, They just didn't 396 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:46.320 want nobody out there. 397 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:48.919 And then so like any of the any of the 398 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.039 stuff that happens like on city property, so streets, you know, 399 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.879 streets would be city property, sidewalks like the stuff we're doing. 400 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.759 We're back inside Tyoga, which is sort of what we 401 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.240 did before, and it just would be back in the day. 402 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:02.720 It just got so crowded in there that we're like 403 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:04.440 we gotta spread out, spread it all out. So it 404 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.200 was put in the street. So we're gonna have We're 405 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.559 gonna have like four food trucks and some some artists 406 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.880 and vendors and stuff inside inside Tayoga. So we can 407 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.960 do that because it's on private property. There's a lot 408 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:15.839 across the street. This private property. We're gonna have a 409 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:17.680 couple of food trucks. So it's not gonna be like 410 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.319 what it normally is in the Brew District, but it's 411 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.160 gonna be like close. I don't know what else, you know, 412 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:23.039 who else is planning? 413 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:23.400 What I know? 414 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.079 The guy that does Alley in the valley at least 415 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.279 is said on Instagram he's. 416 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:27.839 Still gonna do it. 417 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.039 He's not calling it art hop, he's calling it first Thursdays. 418 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.839 And but it mean it's gonna be on city property. 419 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:35.440 So it'll be interesting to see if the city actually 420 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.240 goes out and enforces it or if they just say, 421 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.440 like cause there was I don't know, maybe eight months ago. Again, 422 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:42.799 this whole kind of thing has been going on for 423 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:47.039 a while. They got Code Enforcement ABC. This is after 424 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.640 the the guy because literally the guy with the beer 425 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.920 in the ice chests, like a bunch of people saw 426 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:53.559 that and they were like, we can't have this. So 427 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.920 ABC came out, you know, alcohol, alcohol beverage Control, the county, 428 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.559 the city. 429 00:17:58.359 --> 00:17:59.559 All that can't knock us. 430 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:01.200 And they went out and. 431 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.039 Just started trying to you know, enforce things or whatever 432 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.319 and what they should. What I heard back was like 433 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.240 Code Enforcements like, oh, people are being mean to us, 434 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.640 like the vendors, because the vendors are like, you can't 435 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.640 kick me out of here, and the quote Enforcement's like, 436 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.839 oh well, okay, yeah, just back down. And it's like, well, 437 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.720 now they think they could do whatever, So you're not 438 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.279 gonna have any teeth if you go out and try 439 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.880 to tell anybody else to leave. So I'm really curious 440 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.759 see what happens today. If the vendors are just gonna 441 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.039 be like, you can't tell me nothing, or if PD 442 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.160 is actually gonna like kick them out, you know, that's 443 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.039 gonna be interesting and it's funny. I mean, this is 444 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.000 off topic, but it exactly mirrors the entire conversation about 445 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.039 the homeless population too, right, because that's also going on 446 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:41.799 right now, and it's like you're just gonna round people 447 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:43.839 up and kick them out and somewhere else. 448 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:45.480 And so the city is doing. 449 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:46.799 A lot of this right now, and it's it's hard 450 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.240 to it's hard to like look at it and be like, man, 451 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.000 this makes a lot of sense, because it just I 452 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:52.839 don't know that it does. 453 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:56.240 So you you agree with it should have been regulated, 454 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.559 there should have been somebody in charge, but just the 455 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.039 way they're going about it is just wrong, I think. 456 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:02.720 So I think I think it needed somebody to make 457 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:03.319 sure that we're. 458 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:08.119 Not selling beers out of I think that's fair. Yeah, well, 459 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.920 I mean, just why can't you just pull up and 460 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:11.880 you know, ask these people do you have the right documents, 461 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:13.680 you have, the insurance you have, and then that's how 462 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.359 you regulate it. And it could still go. I don't 463 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.440 understand why everybody. 464 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.519 Those food vendors don't right, Yeah, And but I also 465 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:21.640 think that you know, I'm I'm of the camp of 466 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.359 like people will set up right outside our event in 467 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.160 a food truck or just has a tent or whatever, 468 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:29.440 And I mean we could go over there and tell 469 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:30.880 them like, hey, get out of here, but we don't. 470 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:31.200 Like. 471 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.079 Instead, we'd rather be like, hey, so you got a 472 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.079 food truck, Okay, cool, Well here's what it takes to 473 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.440 join us, Like if you want to be legit with 474 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:39.799 residence d It's like, yeah, that's my approach to doing things. 475 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:41.920 And that I think the city in the beginning sort 476 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.200 of took that approach of like, well, you know, if 477 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:45.960 you want to if you have this food standing, you 478 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:47.400 want to become legitimate, here's. 479 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:47.839 What you got to do. 480 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.079 So education rather than enforcement, yeah, which I think is 481 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.400 the right way to do that kind of thing. So 482 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:55.599 I would say, if you're if you're out there and 483 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.079 you're trying like if you're trying to be a legitimate business, 484 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.319 Like my goal is to open up a restaurant, so 485 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.759 right now, I just got this this grill in this 486 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.039 tent or whatever. But like, yeah, I'll get a business 487 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.359 license and all the awesome, fantastic you're helping that person 488 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.440 on their on their journey if you are, and I 489 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.200 know you guys know this because you live in the 490 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.000 same world I do. If you're one of those people 491 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.559 that's standing out a concert outside of a concert trying 492 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.079 to sell bootleg T shirts because there's twenty thousand people inside, 493 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:21.640 like those are the same kind of people that. 494 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:23.039 Show up at our hop, right, They're just hustlers. 495 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.039 Yeah, I'm just trying to sell something because there's twenty 496 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.480 thousand people here, and so if those people are doing 497 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.319 something illegal, then I would say, yeah, like get rid 498 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.240 of them. If they're just like, hey, I'm trying to 499 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.200 sell like a bootleg T shirt whatever, I don't I 500 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:36.359 don't really care. But if you're if you're doing something 501 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.119 that is that is illegal, I would be like, somebody 502 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:38.960 needs to enforce that. 503 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:40.839 All the things that you're saying right now. Did you 504 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:41.960 bring this up to them. 505 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:43.960 Yes, And was there a response to that. 506 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:45.720 So this is this is the other part that we 507 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.519 haven't gone into it. So the big, the big argument 508 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.039 from the city is this, uh we we mean the 509 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:53.640 we be in the city. The city will tell you 510 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:58.480 we don't have the police presence to handle our hop 511 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.599 as it is on Thursdays. There's too many people and 512 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.599 there's too much other crime in President on a Thursday 513 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.960 that we don't have enough cops. Basically, if something goes wrong, 514 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:09.880 right or if. 515 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.160 Yeah, but the thing that was correct me if I'm wrong, 516 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.720 didn't they say, like, yeah, it's true, all these years, 517 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:16.720 nothing's happened. 518 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.200 Yeah, there's black a couple of random you know, like 519 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:21.440 but it's also the kind of stuff that that happens 520 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.400 on a Thursday. Like somebody was stabbed, right, but it 521 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.079 wasn't in during art hot proper. It was like hours 522 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.480 later kind of near downtown. 523 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.519 Yeah, I mean, and we're happy to was a Christmas 524 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:31.839 tree lane. There was like a stab me, you know 525 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.160 what I mean. So it's just like it's stuff happens. 526 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.160 But so so, but there is there is definitely there 527 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.160 was definitely a desire from the city to kind of 528 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:41.559 split the events, and I know the Arts Council has 529 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:43.079 been big in that, so that's kind of why I 530 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.920 wonder what happened behind closed doors. So I mean, as 531 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:48.480 a I guess there was. There was a meeting on 532 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.119 Tuesday that I went to along with a lot of 533 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.920 the other event organizers, some downtown business owners, the mayor, 534 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.079 Miguel Arrius, people like that, and they kind of rolled 535 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.759 out their plan of like we're gonna do art hop 536 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.559 is going to be indoors only the Arts Council is 537 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.920 going to be in charge of it. The quote was, 538 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:06.960 and even I'll pull up my phone and read it 539 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.920 to you exactly because I wrote it down. It was 540 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:14.240 like that we want to return art hop to uh, 541 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.200 preserve art hop as it was originally intended. So they 542 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.079 want art hop to be what it was, what it 543 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:21.440 originally intended to be. And then we wanted to take 544 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.000 street party part of it and make it a different 545 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.200 event on Wednesdays. 546 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.640 Uh. I don't even know what to say to that. 547 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:32.279 And so that's where we're at right now. 548 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.240 That's and they rolled that out also to the public 549 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.000 last night at a different at a different meeting. So 550 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.119 I think today what you're going to see today is 551 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.759 sort of like this weird kind of in between, you. 552 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.720 Know, kind of thing and transition some people are you 553 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.119 feel like some people are still going to be out 554 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:47.559 there hustling and setting up. 555 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:51.079 I mean, but I think people are going to keep 556 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.599 doing that regardless, right because the people that the people 557 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:55.559 that are doing that, I don't think are paying attention 558 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:58.799 to social media or the news or you know, they're 559 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.960 not like, like, I trucks hit me up today like hey, 560 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:03.319 how do we get into art hop? And I'm like, 561 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:05.000 do you live under a rock? 562 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:09.480 Because you know that park that's near my apartment complex 563 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:14.319 and with those uh everyone says the umbrella, the that 564 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.960 place was packed with food trucks and people. You're telling 565 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.880 me there won't be anyone out there that is that is. 566 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.119 A thing that So you guys know Tony from Vinder 567 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.200 Village he works with us. Yeah, yeah, so he operates 568 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.839 that like we helped him get to permit and sort 569 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.359 of he operates that as like a vendor village street. 570 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.400 He's collaboration. So yeah, that's not that's not allowed. Oh 571 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.119 those permits that we have for those events, they're they're 572 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.000 just not honoring them. 573 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.880 Oh man, it's this area is perfect for I know, yeah, 574 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:44.759 like family friendly. 575 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:46.160 And like we could get that permit, for instance, on 576 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.759 a Friday night and do that every Friday night if 577 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.559 we you know, like no issue with. 578 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:51.680 That, but they just don't want it done on our heart. 579 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.839 That is so that that's what it's gonna suck for 580 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.279 me because the first Thursdays of every month, just the 581 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.039 energy when I go home after work, because the people 582 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.400 start coming out at five pm and then I go 583 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.240 out my balcony thousands of it's so cool to see. 584 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.680 This is like what upsets me because it's very like 585 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.000 a Fresno thing that happens. Right, Like we we try 586 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.759 to have like our own identity. We try to be 587 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:19.880 our own people. We try to grow things like for 588 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.119 the people organically. You know, I've always been somebody I 589 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.279 was born and raised here and I always you know, 590 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.920 everyone just talked about how bad downtown was. It was 591 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.119 the trash, no one goes there. And then you know, 592 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.039 when they built the stadium down there, it was like, okay, 593 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.000 this is going to bring back downtown and then all 594 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.839 these apartments. Yeah, all the past few years, like downtown 595 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.039 is like where it's at, it's popping. It's grown organically 596 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.160 the people. I've grown it people like Mike oz of 597 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.200 how the situation and everything's going good and then here 598 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:46.240 comes the city and says, oh nope. And it's just 599 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.200 like every time we have something like we could just 600 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.359 never have nice things. That's saying right, like Freze could 601 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:51.160 just never have nice things? 602 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:51.680 Athers me. 603 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.480 Is that you know, I've been here. I'm not from here, right, 604 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:56.200 but I've been here long enough. Now, I've been here 605 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.559 for twenty years. I grew up, I came here to 606 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:01.799 work for the be right, So I was writing about 607 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.200 like downtown and sort of I immediately when I got 608 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.599 here was like, Yo, this place is this place could 609 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:07.680 be really dope, and so I kind of started to 610 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.799 you know, push that like that was sort of one 611 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.519 of the things I was into as a journalist, was 612 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.079 like trying to get people to go downtown. And I've 613 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.359 seen so many different ideas that that people have invested 614 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.039 money and time in that just don't work, right, start, 615 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:22.920 start and stop and all this thing, and I'm like, 616 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:25.160 this is finally the thing that worked. 617 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.200 Yeah exactly, be like no. 618 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:33.359 And I it seems to me like like let's say 619 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.039 that you're you know, you're you're a little kid and 620 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.559 every year you ask for a pony, right, and like 621 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.039 fifteen years you don't get a pony, and then finally 622 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.240 you get a pony, and the first time the pony 623 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:44.720 takes a shit, you don't want to clean it up 624 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:45.880 and you don't want a pony anymore. 625 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.960 What's going on? Like, you guys, you got. 626 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.160 Everything you wanted. Finally you got people coming downtown. 627 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:52.519 Yes, that's what I'm talking about. 628 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.480 I mean, figure it out instead of. 629 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.200 It's a scene down there and they're just like, nah no, 630 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.200 we don't want to sing. 631 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:00.799 Man. 632 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.160 I feel like there has to be there had to 633 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.400 be other solutions, Like I completely understand. So this is 634 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.319 the other thing I didn't get to right on the Wednesday. 635 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.599 So this is why they're they're pitching Wednesdays pretty hard. 636 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.119 Is that they say that they have an excess of 637 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.599 police officers on Wednesdays because there's a lot more crime 638 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.400 on Thursday that there is on Wednesday. But from my perspective, 639 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:19.880 so if they could come to me and say, Okay, 640 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:21.720 you want to keep your Thursday thing cool, well you're 641 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:25.039 gonna have to hire off duty police and pay them 642 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.519 over time or whatever, and that's gonna cost like a 643 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.400 thousand dollars. We have security at our event, which we 644 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.440 just paid normal security rates and that's fine. And again 645 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.559 that's why I feel like we should be We're different 646 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.359 than just the sort of open streets where people just 647 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.440 setting stuff up. But if they come in and tell 648 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.119 every event organizer, like, hey, you guys need to split 649 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.880 up like twenty thousand dollars in security costs, I mean 650 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.960 PD costs, Like that'll kill our hot right there too. Yeah, right, 651 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.200 So the city is and I think they're being honest 652 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.279 here trying to figure out a way to do it 653 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.119 in a way that they don't pass all those costs 654 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.279 onto us, that they can eat the cost of of 655 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.799 like PD enforcement and whatnot. 656 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:02.720 Which I think a city should do. 657 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.200 You should that you should be doing that in the 658 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.680 interest of having people assemble in your downtown. So that's 659 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.599 that's another reason for the Wednesday. But I guess the 660 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.359 point that I was gonna get to was, uh, actually 661 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.119 I forgot proud to go for it. 662 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.599 But yeah, but I mean, now they're gonna split it 663 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.319 in two days. So they want, you know, the art 664 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.839 hop on Thursday, and then if they want the street vendors, 665 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.000 that's gonna be like on a Wednesday, we don't know. 666 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.519 We don't know what Wednesday yet. There's gonna be a 667 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:29.319 meeting tomorrow to kind of talk more about this. 668 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.440 We'll see, you know, someone's going to create something down 669 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.119 the line, and like, but it's. 670 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.759 Not organic now, you know what I'm saying. 671 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:38.680 What I worry about is like, you know, the the 672 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.319 when they came to us about, hey, we're gonna do 673 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.720 these little block party things. You know, we're gonna put 674 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:44.119 you you're in charge of this block. I mean that 675 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.039 was only three or four years ago, and that was 676 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.279 a different city manager. Different you know, same mayor, but 677 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.640 different city manager. And that was their idea then. So 678 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.759 like let's say we do this thing, and three years 679 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.400 from now they're like, oh, well we actually don't want 680 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:59.799 to do Wednesdays anymore now, we want to do something else, 681 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.480 you know. And it's like it took twenty years to 682 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.440 build what we built with our hop. 683 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:10.799 Well, I'm hoping that you know, there's these solutions that 684 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.960 you've already brought up that you would like to see 685 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:18.319 hopefully slowly things can change again. But do you feel 686 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.680 like that energy will be where people will be over it? 687 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.119 I don't know. I mean, tonight would be kind of 688 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.440 a good test. I guess, do you see this this 689 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.680 kind of fading away or do you think they're going 690 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.839 to stay on top of this. 691 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.519 Don't I don't know that I see it fading away. 692 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.000 I mean I think that it's become such a big deal. 693 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.559 An example that I would maybe use is, I don't know, 694 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.240 three or four months ago, there was there's there's I 695 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.799 can always been complaints in the tower about you know 696 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:49.640 a lot of the vendors that are out, you know, 697 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.680 really late and sort of being in the way, and 698 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.680 there's all the restaurants there. But you go to the 699 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.640 tower like Friday, Saturday, Thursday night, I mean, there's tons 700 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.920 of food trucks and just tends all the same kind 701 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:02.160 of stuff, right, And so they went in there and 702 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.000 they said, okay, we're gonna have this new sort of 703 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.039 thing for vendors, and it they did it, I don't know, 704 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.640 a couple weeks and then it kind of just went away. 705 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:11.519 But I don't that didn't definitely did not get as 706 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.200 much attention as this. So I would be shocked if 707 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:16.960 it just went back to the way it was in 708 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.079 like three weeks, you know, or because it is a 709 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:21.960 once a month thing, so I feel like, you know, 710 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.480 something like the tower we're talking about every Thursday, Friday, 711 00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.880 Saturday is a little harder to patrol. 712 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:29.799 But I don't know, like what would they do. 713 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:31.599 For instance, Let's say if people just started coming out 714 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.759 every day, right, it's just like you know, basically, you know, 715 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.720 there's too much for code enforcement to handle. 716 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.160 Then what happens. 717 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.319 And so there's a lot of different aspects of this. 718 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.920 But I do feel like the city is if they're 719 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.160 going to commit resources to Wednesday, which they're saying they 720 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.920 are they have, then they have an interest in making 721 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.680 Wednesday's work. And I brought that up too. I'm like, 722 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.599 you guys are not in the event business. Yeah, like 723 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.559 you know, are you gonna you're gonna engage people like us? 724 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.160 And are you gonna pay us? Or are you still 725 00:29:58.200 --> 00:29:59.480 can do this for free? And you know, there's all 726 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.039 kinds of questions there that we haven't figured out. And 727 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.319 I mean, I do think that there is in a 728 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.599 for the people by the people kind of way, a 729 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.480 chance to maybe imagine what would we do if we 730 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.039 could you know, an ideal world, and hope that you know, 731 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.519 we can do that. Like one of the one of 732 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.720 the Brewer re district bar owners we've talked for a 733 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.839 while and the brewer restrict about like can we just 734 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.240 get open carry, so just even on that block, so 735 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.079 you could walk you can walk out of full Circle 736 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.240 with a beer and walk into Tiogo with you know 737 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:27.920 where you could walk out of Moderates with a mixed drin, 738 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.880 could take it over to Tyoga and all that would 739 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.559 be legal. And if you do that, I mean that's 740 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:32.359 a game changer, right. 741 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:32.599 Yeah. 742 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.680 One of the one of the bar owners is like, well, 743 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.599 can we do that on Wednesdays? Because that would that 744 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.519 would be cool, That would be different, you know. And 745 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.640 if downtown Fresno is like the one place where you 746 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.799 could walk around with a beer in the street like 747 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.839 New Orleans, then awesome downtown. 748 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.400 For that, right. 749 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.400 But if our whole thing is like, oh, we don't 750 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.200 have police, if we don't have diffrastructure, then what's going 751 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:52.599 to happen? 752 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:52.720 Then? 753 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:54.640 You know, So it's it's just this kind of chicken 754 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.640 egg thing in that regard. But I think there has 755 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.160 to be something different about it, right, and it has 756 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:02.200 to be like, you know, beyond what we're doing now. Yeah, 757 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.079 it has to be cooler than that in order to 758 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.920 kind of re engage the people. 759 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.720 And like you said, like these things take time. I mean, 760 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.759 look how long it took for you know, our hop 761 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.680 to pop off and trying to start a Wednesday. I 762 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:13.559 don't know, that's tough. 763 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.559 How long it takes took us to get fredjust to 764 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.720 what Fred jus is right, Yeah. 765 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.279 Yeah, that's true when it comes to Okay, let's just 766 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.920 kind of focus on tonight. Are you is your spirit 767 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.559 down about it? Or is your spirit kind of high 768 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.359 hoping people show up to tie? 769 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.039 My spirit is way down man. Yeah, Like I feel 770 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.240 I feel very defeated. 771 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.240 And I feel that energy is like people are feeling 772 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.559 that energy, and I feel like that alone is you know, 773 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:37.359 going to make people not even want to show up. 774 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.400 I've seen on social media like I'm not going and 775 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.759 rest in peace of art up like and for me 776 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.400 for someone that lives down there, like man, Like, like 777 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:47.599 I said, I love energy and. 778 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.680 Yeah, and the reality is it's hard to get people 779 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:50.519 downtown as it is. 780 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.480 Yes, you could just. 781 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.880 I'm always surprised about the every Thursday. I'm like, why 782 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.079 is there thousands? 783 00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:58.160 You can just go to River. 784 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.960 Park or you can go to Campus Point, yeah, Clovis 785 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:01.799 or whatever. 786 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.799 Man, well, yeah, tonight's gonna be uh yeah, we'll see 787 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.839 how it goes tonight. We're gonna see how it kind 788 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.720 of changes through each month hopefully things kind of I 789 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.559 don't want to say get back to normal or. 790 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:19.880 We're looking to you. 791 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.640 It's very much of a wait and see, Like I'm wait, 792 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.200 I'm approaching this almost like it's it's the super Bowl, right, 793 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.359 and I'm just I'm just gonna I just want to watch. 794 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:29.880 And see what happens. 795 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.680 Yeah, because I don't have any I don't have any 796 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.759 basis of whatever, Like I'm gonna sit out there with 797 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.960 some tacos or something and just kind of like observe, Yeah, 798 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:40.559 because I have to see it with my own eyes 799 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.039 before I can gauge, like what's gonna happen next, Like 800 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.160 are people still gonna come out and hey, we're just 801 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:48.720 gonna go do whatever we're gonna do, or are they 802 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.400 gonna be like, no, we're not going to your our galleries. 803 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:51.440 We're here for the street party. 804 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.160 And if nobody's there all of a sudden, like people 805 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.559 are like, oh crap, they. 806 00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:58.240 The indoor thing. 807 00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.920 People aren't into that, they're into the outdoor thing. 808 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.720 Yeah, especially when the weather gets better too. Yeah, I mean, 809 00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.279 let's let's switch it up to like, let's focus on 810 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.200 what is happening. I saw, I saw you post something 811 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.359 on social I don't know if this already passed that 812 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.160 gelato spot something happening to the. 813 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.279 Story with the gelato thing is when this happened, the 814 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.160 owners posted their sales for like what their sales are 815 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.279 like on a Thursday versus what their sales are like 816 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.960 on ourt hop, and it was like, I don't remember 817 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.240 the exact numbers, but it was like ten times, you know, 818 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:36.759 ten times more on our hob And so I was thinking, well, 819 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.759 it is my birthday, Like what can I do as 820 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.400 like a sort of a form of sort of protests 821 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.839 but also just like as a you know, community good 822 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.720 will thing. So what I said was, Okay, I'll buy 823 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.000 you know, two hundred fifty dollars worth of gelato for 824 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.240 anybody who comes in and says it's my causes birthday. 825 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.079 Just take a way to help them on that day, 826 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.119 right then also get back to the community a little bit. 827 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.000 But also hopefully someone sees that and recognizes, like, you know, 828 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.759 you are hurting these small bitusinesses and it takes people 829 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.319 like this doing maybe some extreme measures to help them 830 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.160 because so many vendors down there, so many businesses and 831 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.960 when I say businesses, I mean that's just our food trucks, 832 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.159 but like even Tyoga, right, this is their biggest day 833 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:12.440 of the month. 834 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.599 Yeah, these Thursdays is like their money maker. And then 835 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.039 you just take that away from it away, especially. 836 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:17.119 With two weeks. 837 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.719 Notice, right, that's one thing to be like, yeah, yeah, 838 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.320 you just can't do this. It's it's gonna be rough. 839 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:22.599 So that's kind of the point I'm trying to make 840 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.920 with that. So if you get this out right away, 841 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.480 it's from one to eight, you can get in there 842 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.840 until I mean, first come, first serve obviously, So we're 843 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.400 doing that. I'm doing that just as like a a thing, 844 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:32.920 just to do it. 845 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.519 This new gelato spot is just around the corner of 846 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.440 Warner's Theaters. 847 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.079 It's on Tallow Me up next to Fulton Strea Coffee. 848 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:43.320 If you know where Fulton and Shake Cofee is. 849 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.280 Yeah, so go go support that. 850 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.840 There's there's there are a few places who have stepped 851 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.639 up and are trying to bring vendors inside. So like 852 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.199 c MAAC for instance, has I think a good amount 853 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.599 of vendors inside JSA, which is kind of right over 854 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.599 by the park. They they I think, have a good 855 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.599 amount of vendors inside. So I think that's what what's 856 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.639 if just me looking at this objectively and saying, Okay, 857 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.840 what's the move for art hop in the future, It's 858 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.199 gonna be finding these indoor spaces where a bunch of 859 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.760 vendors can set up and you know, create like indoor 860 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:13.440 type things. 861 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:15.719 And then you're gonna be at ty Yoga. 862 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:16.960 I'll be at Taigo, but I'm gonna be just be 863 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.000 walking around like check it all out. Streets will be 864 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.719 at t streets will be across there's a there's like 865 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.239 this old auto care a lot that the people that 866 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.239 own sun Steria Warehouse they bought it and they're gonna 867 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.400 turn it into like another micro business hub thing. And 868 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.079 so for right now, they're gonna let uschoose a lot 869 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:38.039 this week. Around the corner. There's a lot on Veness 870 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.079 that is attached to the thrift stores over there, and 871 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.639 there's an artist guy who's turning that into kind of 872 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:49.400 like a little event because it's private property. Alley in 873 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.719 the Valley is still kind of doing their thing, and 874 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.159 that one spot, we'll see what happens there. They partnered 875 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.119 up with the Rose which you know over there on 876 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.639 on Venice and they're doing like an indoor thing. So 877 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.360 there's definitely some places that are doing into things. 878 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.519 Yeah, and you know, so that would be sort of 879 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:03.960 the Cocky move I guess. 880 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:05.880 Well, I think Cocky's is doing their later thing that 881 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.840 they always do that, okay, but I think some people, 882 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.920 some people are trying to bring in Mez Kyle I 883 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.280 think is one that they are like, hey, if you're 884 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.840 a vendor and you want to come set up inside, 885 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:15.719 you know, so some of the people are doing that, all. 886 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.559 Right, Well, I mean, yeah, that's cool. Businesses trying to 887 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.559 help other businesses and you know, trying to keep this 888 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.480 thing stay afloat. At the end of the day, though, 889 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:23.599 like the people need to be out there, you know, 890 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.280 that's what's going to make this thing work. And I 891 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.840 just feel, not to be negative, I just feel like 892 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.239 people's energy is there there they might be over it, 893 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.880 and that's what sucks, you know what I'm saying. 894 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.159 I think it feels again if you feel defeated, if 895 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.800 you feel like you've been turned away or cast aside, 896 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.719 or like hey, they don't want to hear anymore. 897 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.039 I think that's the that's the. 898 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.000 Worst part, right, Yeah, exactly, you're saying that to you know, 899 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:44.559 thousands of young people, because this is a lot of 900 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.840 young people. And I think that's the big difference in 901 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.880 my mind, is that a lot of these a lot 902 00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.599 of these people of this age, when I was that age, 903 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.199 I didn't want to do They hated forres though, right, 904 00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:56.119 I can't wait to. 905 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.920 Get out of here. Not to mention downtown fres though, 906 00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.679 especially down there. 907 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.400 And now it's seems like the younger generation is like, no, 908 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.360 this place is pretty cool. 909 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.760 Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get which is what we wanted. 910 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:06.519 But no, that's too much. 911 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.320 Create a bunch of super villains man like them away. 912 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.480 Yeah, yeah, funny speaking of Fresnel Street eats, anything new 913 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.320 or you guys still doing your rounds. You guys are 914 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.239 doing some amazing still doing all. 915 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.239 The usual stuff. You know, we're river Park every Saturday now, 916 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:21.280 so that's always a lot of fun. 917 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.159 Yeah, that the river Park one is such a good Yeah, 918 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:24.840 I like that. 919 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.320 Oh, as I'm sure you guys are. I mean, I know, 920 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.800 I think you're involved. Were getting ready for football season, 921 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.760 so uh, Bulldog Boulevard over with President Stock. 922 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:34.000 Yeah, I think you're gonna be DJ. 923 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:34.559 Yeah. 924 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.760 Yeah, We've got stuff every day. So follow our Instagram 925 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:41.519 you'll see all look at our stories to our stories 926 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:42.960 are every day. We're just loaded up with all of 927 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.199 our spots. We got some cool new things that hopefully 928 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:47.679 we can announce soon that are in the works. 929 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:52.880 Speaking of announcing soon, anything you could spill for Taco 930 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:53.920 Truck throw Down, I. 931 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.599 Will say this, we have some offers out on some 932 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.440 artists that I would be really excited to tell you 933 00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.039 about if they are accepted. 934 00:37:59.079 --> 00:37:59.880 All right, are. 935 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.960 They sold the twenty dollars ticket thing or is that 936 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.000 done already? 937 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.400 I think it's still going okay, or it's I think 938 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.679 it's twenty five or something like that. Yeah, But I 939 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.599 would say, I mean, I don't know, I don't know how, 940 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.760 I don't know what are how close we are on 941 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.320 a sort of a bigger name. But if we get 942 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.880 that person, I would say, you're twenty five twenty dollars 943 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.760 ticket as well worth it? 944 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.480 Oh man a November the next the top number nine. Yeah, 945 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.239 looking forward to it. Man, Well, we appreciate you just 946 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.079 shedding some light. 947 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800 Honestly, I'm happy to sit and explain it to people, 948 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.440 because like, yeah, I think I haven't even sat and 949 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.079 like just explained it to anybody like this, and it 950 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.320 makes a lot, Like you have to know a lot 951 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.639 of stuff because somebody yesterday was like, the city's just 952 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.079 trying to do this so they can charge admission, and 953 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:43.599 I'm like, I trust me, They're not doing that. 954 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.079 Yeah, Like that's not what anybody's trying to do. 955 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.480 It's one of those things where people hear and the 956 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.920 more that gets passed on, the information kind of gets muddled. 957 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.320 So I'm glad you were kind of here to kind 958 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.559 of clean things up because I myself didn't even really 959 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:53.760 know exactly what was going on. 960 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.840 I understand that, like there is a frozen WRTS council 961 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.360 and there is a down Yeah, yeah, one of the 962 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.639 roles that these people have, and why city has nothing 963 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.480 to do with any of this until recently. And you know, 964 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.480 I mean somebody was trying to tell me or didn't 965 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.639 tell me, but I checked them on it. Like street 966 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.199 Eats is in charge of every food truck or art hop. 967 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.800 I'm like, no, we're not so all right man. 968 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.519 Well yeah, let's see what happens tonight. Go support Go 969 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.480 support Happy birthday you and yeah until next time. 970 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.320 Right, Yeah? Man, this could get me for our podcast.