Speaker 1: It's nice. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we are talking about a story that is
Speaker 2: actually developing even as we talk here. Apparently the United
Speaker 2: States and Ukraine have agreed on a minerals deal which
Speaker 2: might be the key to end the Russian Ukraine War,
Speaker 2: and we're just talking about it. I will give you
Speaker 2: my thirty second synopsis, and that is that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has come in. I think he has a different relationship
Speaker 2: with Russian President Putin than President Biden had. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're friends, but I think that Putin
Speaker 2: is feels less comfortable to some extent with Trump because
Speaker 2: he probably knows that Trump is unpredictable. And what Trump
Speaker 2: has done apparently in the last twenty four hours with
Speaker 2: President Zelensky has agreed on some sort of a mineral
Speaker 2: oil and gas deal where we are going to get
Speaker 2: fifty percent of these mineral deposits and oil and gas.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how much it's worth, but we
Speaker 2: will have a big stake in Ukraine's natural resources, which
Speaker 2: is not going to be a NATO membership for Ukraine,
Speaker 2: but I think it does give them a sense of
Speaker 2: security that it is not likely that Russia is going
Speaker 2: to turn around and reinvade Ukraine. So and President Zelenski,
Speaker 2: who last week was called a dictator on a couple
Speaker 2: of occasions by President Trump, we'll be visiting him and
Speaker 2: apparently signing this deal on Friday, if the New York
Speaker 2: Times is to be believed. So with that, are you surprised,
Speaker 2: I'm pleasantly surprised. If this brings the end of the
Speaker 2: war with Russia and Ukraine, that's a good thing if everybody,
Speaker 2: when you come to an agreement like this, unless one
Speaker 2: side has won overwhelmingly, if there's a stalemate, no one's
Speaker 2: going to get out of the cake, but everybody hopefully
Speaker 2: walks away feeling that they're okay. Ukraine has suffered tremendous losses,
Speaker 2: Russia suffered tremendous losses, and maybe they both realize that
Speaker 2: they're in a situation where the losses are only going
Speaker 2: to continue on both sides. And maybe Donald Trump was
Speaker 2: spawned enough to see that and play that, and play
Speaker 2: both Zelenski and Putin and convince them that it's in
Speaker 2: their interest to end the war. If it is. If
Speaker 2: that's the way it works, then I will say hats
Speaker 2: off to President Trump. I don't think Joe Biden would
Speaker 2: have been able to do that. You can agree or disagree.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Ron is next to Newton. Ron, thanks
Speaker 2: for giving me those extra seconds to start the hour.
Speaker 2: You are next on nightside.
Speaker 3: Ron, go right ahead, Hi Dan, So thank you very much.
Speaker 3: I think that this is a I think it's a
Speaker 3: brilliant business move. I mean President Trump is a business
Speaker 3: person first and foremost. I think, you know, it reminds
Speaker 3: me of nineteen ninety four when the mg H and Brigamore,
Speaker 3: to everyone's surprise, merged, you know, in the face of competition,
Speaker 3: and that was a brilliant move. They took advantage of
Speaker 3: economies of scale, or at least they tried to, or
Speaker 3: they were heading in that direction. So economically it was
Speaker 3: the a good move in the face of what we
Speaker 3: were pacing. And as you said a few moments ago,
Speaker 3: I mean, they they may not walk away with all
Speaker 3: the pieces of the cake that they wanted, but think
Speaker 3: about this simplified theory behind Adam Smith's economic theory in
Speaker 3: seventeen seventy six, he basically said that every person that
Speaker 3: inadvertently helps themselves inadvertently helps create a better outcome for all.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that I think it's a
Speaker 3: business move. It's no different than mergers and acquisitions. And
Speaker 3: sometimes they're they're peaceful, sometimes their hostile takeovers. But this
Speaker 3: is that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Well sometimes it's and I agree with you by the way,
Speaker 2: that this is a business deal as much as it
Speaker 2: is a peace treaty or a cease fire. And it's
Speaker 2: too bad that, I mean, it's it's horrific that that
Speaker 2: many people on both sides had to die. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember early in the war watching the Ukrainian shoulder
Speaker 2: fired heat seeking missiles destroy Russian tanks. I saw these
Speaker 2: these incredible videos where the Russian tanks were driving in
Speaker 2: the countryside of Ukraine and they were sitting targets and
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian soldiers with these, you know, again, just rocket
Speaker 2: fired heat seeking missiles. I guess it just blew the.
Speaker 3: Lots of lots of kids were lost their homes and
Speaker 3: the parents. And I remember you having two guests on
Speaker 3: from the Cape Carty area who had gone and volunteered
Speaker 3: to find them homes in Poland.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jim Peterson, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I absolutely, you know, I think it's uh, it's an
Speaker 3: economic move to me, I like the I like moving quickly.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the surgeons on are a disaster
Speaker 3: response team. You have to go with the information that
Speaker 3: you have at hand and move quickly. Yep, you can't
Speaker 3: sit on it. So those are my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Well well spoken, well articulated. As always, Ron, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your call. Hopefully you're feeling a little bit better day
Speaker 2: by day. I hope, yes, great, great, we'll talk. Thank thanks,
Speaker 2: thank you much, appreciate the call. Take quick break coming
Speaker 2: right back on Night's side. More phone calls coming up,
Speaker 2: the only line open, six one, seven nine talking. This
Speaker 2: is actually a good story. There's no controversy here. There
Speaker 2: may be some controversy. There may be some people who
Speaker 2: feel that that Ukraine has been forced into this, but
Speaker 2: maybe forced into this for their own benefit. That's that's
Speaker 2: a tough way to look at it. But that's that's
Speaker 2: my perception right now. I don't know how long Ukraine
Speaker 2: could go on. I don't know how well. I know
Speaker 2: Russia could go on a long long time. But it's
Speaker 2: a losing proposition for both. Back we go to the calls.
Speaker 2: We're going next, Let's go to Mike and Beverley. Mike,
Speaker 2: you were next on nightside. Welcome sir, Hey, Danny, I
Speaker 2: can hear you fine, speak right into the phone though, Mike,
Speaker 2: let's hear you go ahead.
Speaker 4: So I knew this was coming, I mean listened to it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, as far as the call goes about the
Speaker 4: earlier college John, I think it was about Joe Biden
Speaker 4: stuff like that. You know, Joe Biden orchestrated how Ukraine
Speaker 4: to do the war, knock him certain ammunition, knock him
Speaker 4: certain planes hell Ukraine. Solinsky right hand behind his back.
Speaker 4: So you know, Solinski was kind of did the best
Speaker 4: week kurve what he had at the at the wheel.
Speaker 4: But you know he wasn't providing all the recoverment to win
Speaker 4: the war. Whatever whatever comes to it, all well.
Speaker 2: We go and I and I think the Bidy administration
Speaker 2: did that uh intentionally. And I think that that Bolinsky
Speaker 2: uh Zelensky was going to be asking for a military weaponry,
Speaker 2: uh the best he could get. But we were concerned
Speaker 2: about the missiles that we would give him, what the
Speaker 2: range of those missiles were. We didn't want him popping
Speaker 2: a missile out of Kiev or out of Ukraine. That
Speaker 2: was going to hit the Kremlin. I mean that you
Speaker 2: would have World War three at that point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, and that was the point this
Speaker 5: was coming to.
Speaker 4: But I think, like, you know, just think about it.
Speaker 4: Trump'spavius thirty five days. He's done more than Biden's done
Speaker 4: in four years, you know, and I think time of
Speaker 4: the master and yeah, I know you want to, you know,
Speaker 4: call Ukraine. Uh so let's addictate you today. It's a
Speaker 4: master craft Trump does. I know we sometimes disagree with that,
Speaker 4: but the guy.
Speaker 1: Is very good.
Speaker 6: He is very very good.
Speaker 2: Well as as as we often say, let's wait till
Speaker 2: the hay is in the barn. I mean, it's you
Speaker 2: know that this deal is not completed. When peace breaks out,
Speaker 2: let's we can celebrate. But but I think we're on
Speaker 2: talk shows. What we do is we try to talk
Speaker 2: about we try to be ahead of the curve and
Speaker 2: talk about what we think this might be heading. This
Speaker 2: to me is a really interesting development. I think it's
Speaker 2: a positive development. Let's let's uh, let's keep our fingers
Speaker 2: crossed and let's hope for the best.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think he's like right there, he's not the one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when I heard today he's right there.
Speaker 6: So well, he's at.
Speaker 2: The one yard he's at the one yard line with Zelinsky.
Speaker 2: I think he's he's got to get a few first
Speaker 2: downs to put the ball in the end zone with Putin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: But they're already talking.
Speaker 2: I know. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: throw water on your here. I just I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to say, look, let's not get too far ahead. Let's
Speaker 2: I want to be ahead of the curb, but I
Speaker 2: don't want to be so far ahead of the curb.
Speaker 2: I'm over the cliff. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: Thanks talk, Thanks Bud, good night, Let's keep rolling. He
Speaker 2: got Doreen and Chelsea. Doreen, thank you for calling in.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we get few women on these these issues of
Speaker 2: Warren Peace, which which drives me crazy. But it's great
Speaker 2: to hear your voice. Doreen. How are you tonight?
Speaker 8: Good?
Speaker 9: I like I like to debate on politics and everything
Speaker 9: both sides. Well, I don't yes. When President Biden was
Speaker 9: into office, I don't think he trusted either one of them,
Speaker 9: and I think that President Trump does not trust either
Speaker 9: one of them. No one does, because if you go
Speaker 9: right back to the Kennedy years. President and Kennedy it
Speaker 9: had a good report where Kruse Chef I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was Kruse Chef, Yes, it was, he had he
Speaker 2: had a he had a pretty good report after the
Speaker 2: after the Cuban missile crisis.
Speaker 9: Right, but the same time he got assassinated, right, yes
Speaker 9: he did. Okay, So now I don't think Trump trusts
Speaker 9: any of them for what I you know, see on
Speaker 9: TV or read or I listened to you or talk shows.
Speaker 9: It's the same thing over and over. We cannot trust
Speaker 9: Russia never, and we cannot ever trust China second, because
Speaker 9: of the Space Shuttle and everything. It's very complicated. It's
Speaker 9: jealousy is the ruination, which comes power and money after.
Speaker 9: That's how I feel.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you at all. I think that
Speaker 2: uh that you're you're you're correct. Every country is out
Speaker 2: in what they consider to be their interests.
Speaker 7: Uh right, good?
Speaker 9: Right? And then Geneva Switzerland, wasn't that the major place
Speaker 9: that they held the peace talks before?
Speaker 2: Well, Switzerland has always maintained it's its neutrality. Uh, even
Speaker 2: in World War Two. Switzerland never aligned itself to the
Speaker 2: best of my knowledge with either uh, you know, Germany
Speaker 2: or Britain, or the United States or France. I mean
Speaker 2: they've they've always been on the sideline there. And of
Speaker 2: course they're they're great industry in Switzerland, as you know,
Speaker 2: is banking. I mean, that's right, and I guess the
Speaker 2: Alp skiing and and that's what that's what Switzerland is
Speaker 2: all about. And we have used Swiss diplomat as intermediaries.
Speaker 2: They have good relationships with all countries in the world.
Speaker 2: So when we had to talk to Iran during the
Speaker 2: Iran hostage crisis, we did it through Swiss diplomats and
Speaker 2: and interim Swiss diplomats. So the Swiss have had, you know,
Speaker 2: irrelevance there. But I think the point you make is
Speaker 2: that countries function in their own best interest. Now, we
Speaker 2: as a democratic society have different presidents, and different presidents
Speaker 2: view the world a little differently. I think Joe Biden
Speaker 2: has a very different view of the world and what
Speaker 2: our relationship should be with the European community than Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: That's just a reality that that we have the benefit of.
Speaker 2: We go from a Biden to a Trump. Biden didn't
Speaker 2: have a great foreign policy. It didn't. He messed up
Speaker 2: with the Afghanist Afghan withdrawal, and and that many people
Speaker 2: feel in August the twenty twenty one that that is
Speaker 2: what encourage Putin to go ahead and move on Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And I happen to subscribe to that belief right that
Speaker 2: he now thought we were weak, and he thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: now's the time for me to move.
Speaker 9: So now, not to interrupt you, but Israel, Israel is
Speaker 9: one of our top allies. It's not really a big country,
Speaker 9: as you know, but there was a time when remember
Speaker 9: the studs got missile affair. At that time wasn't wasn't Israel.
Speaker 9: Israel sat back, but it could take only this much
Speaker 9: would bring us right up. Now today that don't mess
Speaker 9: around with Israel because they can take so much. And
Speaker 9: now it's starting all over again. I seen it, the
Speaker 9: bombing back and forth. Israel was the first one that
Speaker 9: went right ahead and missile it bomb that country. And
Speaker 9: therefore everybody stood behind in the United States always stays
Speaker 9: behind Israel because it's an ally, and Israel is going
Speaker 9: to stand up for us.
Speaker 2: Is our is our only true ally in the Middle
Speaker 2: East at the same time. At the same time, if
Speaker 2: Israel feels what is in their best interest diverges from
Speaker 2: the US, Israel rightfully so will do what they believe
Speaker 2: is in the best interest for Israel. Because Israel is
Speaker 2: surrounded by enemies. We're not surrounded by enemies. We're We're
Speaker 2: surrounded by you know, two oceans, Canada and Mexico. Pretty
Speaker 2: lucky in that.
Speaker 9: Regard, right right, all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Keep calling, have a great night. Let me get one
Speaker 2: more in here. Yeah, we get Steven Merrimack, New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: Steve next to a Nightsacker right ahead. Okay, if we
Speaker 2: don't have Steve ready, we can put I'm here. I
Speaker 2: didn't hear.
Speaker 7: I didn't hear you say my name.
Speaker 2: Well, Steve your next on Nightsager right ahead.
Speaker 7: Okay, I didn't hear you say I'm sorry. You know,
Speaker 7: I just want to say that, you know, Trump is
Speaker 7: the art of the deal master, and I think that
Speaker 7: part of this negotiations that he's making comes down to
Speaker 7: the rare earth minerals versus future military aid and his
Speaker 7: promise that he would end the war, you know, relatively quickly,
Speaker 7: and when he became president, so all of this falls together.
Speaker 7: You get to look at it from different aspects. And
Speaker 7: I believe that you know, his you know, comment about
Speaker 7: Zelensky being a dictator was music to Putin's ears. You
Speaker 7: though Putin is a dictator. You know, any acrimony between
Speaker 7: you know, Trump and Zelenski is music to Putin's ears.
Speaker 7: So it's all fitting together. I think that this is
Speaker 7: as you correctly assessed. I think this is going to
Speaker 7: turn out very very well. I think that we're probably
Speaker 7: going to wind up in a situation where the war
Speaker 7: ends and there's going to be some intermediary to keep
Speaker 7: the size apart, and it will be I think it's
Speaker 7: going to happen by the end of March.
Speaker 2: Actually, I would not be surprised. I think it's moving
Speaker 2: very quickly. And they are talking about, like Korea, some
Speaker 2: form of an international peacekeeping force in the in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: That would be a I think that would be a
Speaker 2: part of it, and it would not be a NATO
Speaker 2: force per se, but it would be an international force.
Speaker 7: So they will never allow. NATO would be a non
Speaker 7: starter for Boot and that's the one thing he doesn't
Speaker 7: want to have happened. So I think something we could
Speaker 7: always coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd have to figure it out. You know, who
Speaker 2: would be the countries that would would be part of that.
Speaker 2: But I think that they could find countries. I don't
Speaker 2: know at this point. It has been a very fast
Speaker 2: paced first five weeks for the Trump administration. And if
Speaker 2: by the end of March peace is broken out, the
Speaker 2: war between Russia and Ukraine has least is at least
Speaker 2: a cease fire as opposed to a treaty even or whatever. Hey,
Speaker 2: who's going to argue with that?
Speaker 7: You know, under Biden, all was happening is you know,
Speaker 7: we were sending more military aid and we weren't negotiating,
Speaker 7: We weren't doing anything. Then the conflict, which is you know,
Speaker 7: it was just going to keep going on in three
Speaker 7: years is long enough. I don't think Russia, I don't
Speaker 7: think they really think they're gonna win this war they
Speaker 7: fought at the beginning, they were going I thought they
Speaker 7: were gonna march right in and take over the country
Speaker 7: and work out that one's not gonna happen the way they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, I hear you. Look, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your call, Steve, Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Thank you much.
Speaker 7: Appreciate your opinion. Almost one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2: We're on the same page. Yeah, that well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Whether people of great disagree, you're always welcome here on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Thanks against Steve, thank.
Speaker 7: You, thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 2: Good night. Okay, back we go. We're going to go
Speaker 2: to Barbara in the Haunt. Barbara, welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 8: Go Dan, I'm gonna be your first time callers.
Speaker 2: All right, Barbara, first time caller. Get a little rout
Speaker 2: of applause. I don't know if you got that studio
Speaker 2: audience applause. They are studio audi. He's given you a
Speaker 2: standing ovation. Go right ahead, Barbara. How are you.
Speaker 10: I'm good, I'm good, but I'm listening to you and
Speaker 10: to your callers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And Vladimir Putin is a bloody dictator and a war
Speaker 10: criminal who marched across the border of a sovereign nation
Speaker 10: expecting to expecting to decimate Ukraine next stop being Europe.
Speaker 10: And it is the bravery and coverage courage of the
Speaker 10: Ukrainian people who gave their blood, their resources, their their
Speaker 10: everything about their country to hold the line for all
Speaker 10: of us, for all of us, while Putin, who mister
Speaker 10: Trump can't seem to call a dictator, while he calls Zelenski,
Speaker 10: who is a hero, a dictator. Putin and his forces murder,
Speaker 10: massacred civilians, great women, kidnapped children and took them back
Speaker 10: to Russia. And this is the man, this is the
Speaker 10: man you're applauding how much Trump got done and ending
Speaker 10: this war when what he did was with no respect
Speaker 10: for the sovereign leader of Ukraine shat down in Saudi
Speaker 10: Arabia with another bloody murderer, Prince Mohammed bin Salomon, and
Speaker 10: the leaders of Russian, the Russian negotiating team and on
Speaker 10: behalf of a separate sovereign nation, began to negotiate the
Speaker 10: end of this war without Ukraine present, after his Defense secretary,
Speaker 10: in an act of complete idiocy and inexperience, said, by
Speaker 10: the way, off the table is membership in NATO. Off
Speaker 10: the table is that Ukraine would turned to its previous borders.
Speaker 10: And they made it very clear from the beginning, we
Speaker 10: are here to please Putin. Uh, We're not even showing
Speaker 10: Zelinsky in front of Putin any respect. We're going to
Speaker 10: find out what Vlad wants and then we'll go dictate
Speaker 10: it to Zalinsky. And now we have extorted from this
Speaker 10: country its minimal rights, extorted it from a country that
Speaker 10: is a democracy, like US, that has held the line
Speaker 10: for democracies.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get you, I get your You've gone for Barbara.
Speaker 2: You've gone for about three minutes, and I'm right now, Barbara.
Speaker 2: Bring your back up. I'll talk to him.
Speaker 10: Okay, nothing for Barbara.
Speaker 2: Are you able to hear me?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good, great, Okay, I've listened to you for about three minutes. Uh,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your point of view. Uh. What would
Speaker 2: you do if you were Donald Trump? Would you, uh
Speaker 2: maybe attack Russia? Here are you? Would you do? You?
Speaker 2: What are the options that you that Donald Trump should exercise.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of choices, and if you
Speaker 2: have another choice, let me know. Either go after Russia,
Speaker 2: send some US troops in there, and let's move the
Speaker 2: Russians out of Ukraine. That would be one option. The
Speaker 2: the other option, I guess would be to give Ukraine
Speaker 2: some of our more advanced weaponry, which would allow Ukraine
Speaker 2: to perhaps fire longer range missiles that could hit the
Speaker 2: Kremlin directly. What what what do you think would be
Speaker 2: the best strategy for US to follow. Just in terms
Speaker 2: of Ukraine, I think.
Speaker 10: We asked the leader of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: What I'm asking you.
Speaker 10: I'm asking yes, but I'm saying you asked, and I'm
Speaker 10: telling you Donald Trump needed to sit down Withinsky.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's assume again, Let's give me a favorite
Speaker 2: Barbara conversation with you. I gave you three minutes to
Speaker 2: make a speech.
Speaker 8: Okay, so I'm answering your question.
Speaker 2: Well, so now let's assume says Let us assume that
Speaker 2: Zelensky says to Trump, I want nuclear weapons so I
Speaker 2: can push our nuclear weapons off the table.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no one is going to enter into a nuclear war.
Speaker 10: So I think that's really disingenuous.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's assume food and says to Let us assume
Speaker 2: in your scenario, Zelensky says to Trump, I want long
Speaker 2: range missiles, which will give me the ability, just as
Speaker 2: he has missiles that can hit Kiev, uh And and
Speaker 2: other Ukrainian cities. I want long range US missiles and
Speaker 2: US fighter jets with US pilots to bomb Russian troops.
Speaker 2: And I want to be able to hit Moscow with
Speaker 2: US long range missiles. That's what I'd like, mister Trump,
Speaker 2: what do you say to what?
Speaker 10: Okay, so you you gave me your options and you
Speaker 10: said I might have another one, So I'm not I.
Speaker 2: You turned down. Just so I understand, Barbara, I asked,
Speaker 2: I'm asking a question. I just want you to answer
Speaker 2: and if if you if you would if you do
Speaker 2: not want that's what Zelensky has been asking for from Biden.
Speaker 2: And I gave Biden credit for not giving Zelensky that
Speaker 2: would you give those would you give those missiles to?
Speaker 10: Because that's a.
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Please, Barbara, I don't know how good
Speaker 2: you are conversations, but I'm trying my best, and.
Speaker 10: You want to nail me down to a yes or no.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I want to know if no. I want to know
Speaker 2: you want to ask me yes or no? If Zelensky
Speaker 2: asked you, as President Trump long range missiles. I want
Speaker 2: to hit Moscow and I want US fighter pilots to
Speaker 2: protect my my planes. What is Trump gonna say? I
Speaker 2: won't answer the question.
Speaker 10: What I'm going to say the same thing Biden did,
Speaker 10: which is we have to we have to be very
Speaker 10: careful as all of euro pass that we don't start
Speaker 10: World War three.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, that's a good answer. Me, that's a good answer.
Speaker 2: Now tell me now, Barbara, Barbara, look, Barbara, put take
Speaker 2: her down, take her down bread. Okay, Barbara, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you one more chance. Okay, you would become a
Speaker 2: real difficult caller to deal with, and I very rarely
Speaker 2: do this. I would like to hear from you Sixcincly,
Speaker 2: because you've gone now seven minutes longer than any other
Speaker 2: caller will go this hour. We're gonna bring you up
Speaker 2: and you're gonna tell me what you think Trump should do. Sixcincly.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Barbara.
Speaker 10: Wanted if you wanted peace, and if you want If
Speaker 10: he said I want to bring an end to this war,
Speaker 10: the first thing he should have done is sat down
Speaker 10: with Zolensky, not showing respect for Putin in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: That's a non answer.
Speaker 6: Should have done.
Speaker 10: No, that's not a non answer, because if you're going
Speaker 10: to negotiate peace between a democratic nation, which.
Speaker 2: Okay, you met, you're making the same points you made before, Robert,
Speaker 2: and at seven minutes and thirty seconds you're going to
Speaker 2: and then I gave you a chance. I appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: I got other calls. I want to talk to. Thanks Bob,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Let me go to John in Boston. John,
Speaker 2: you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thanks Dan. Yeah, I personally I feel that
Speaker 5: Putin can save face. He's he's in like Vietnam, like
Speaker 5: we were with Ukraine, and yeah, we were. I just
Speaker 5: want to make a couple of points if I could.
Speaker 5: We were in Afghanistan under Bush, a Republican that started
Speaker 5: all that war for twenty years, and we spent I
Speaker 5: don't know what they're compared to what we spent against Ukraine.
Speaker 5: And Russia was in before US. Russia was in Afghanistan
Speaker 5: and we didn't learn the lesson there. But you know,
Speaker 5: and and yeah, as far as taking over the crimea, well,
Speaker 5: Hitler took over Czechoslovakia for the same reason other Germans.
Speaker 5: So it's part of Germany. And you know, he's got
Speaker 5: snowed in there now. He's got a sod there now
Speaker 5: who's fled to Moscow, who ruined his country and colled
Speaker 5: millions of Syrians. Uh, I think at least millions probably,
Speaker 5: And you know, and he's got American people that he's
Speaker 5: holding that journalists and stuff won't let go. You know,
Speaker 5: he gave some little.
Speaker 2: So where you've told us stuff.
Speaker 4: We know.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to get at is your interesting uh
Speaker 2: you know, factual, accurate, accurate comments. Do you think Trump
Speaker 2: is doing the right thing of the wrong thing. That's
Speaker 2: the ultimate question we're asking people it's.
Speaker 5: Doing probably, in my opinion, Putin spitting because Putin has
Speaker 5: something on him from his time as in the beauty
Speaker 5: contest that he was there and whenever that was. I
Speaker 5: don't have that information, but I know he posted a beauty,
Speaker 5: he was involved in a beauty contest in Russia. He's
Speaker 5: probably got some information on that.
Speaker 6: Also.
Speaker 2: My question, my question to you then would be this
Speaker 2: during Trump's first time, first term in office from twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen to twenty twenty one, when if Putin has some
Speaker 2: compromising pictures or some videotape, Putin didn't do anything that
Speaker 2: that was invasive.
Speaker 5: It didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Why Why did they Why did they wait? Then?
Speaker 5: Trump is like partty in his hands.
Speaker 2: I'm having a tough time having conversations with people today.
Speaker 2: Why don't I give you thirty seconds and go ahead
Speaker 2: and say whatever you want to say, and I'll move
Speaker 2: on out of the cars. Go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, I'm upset. I said what I basically want. I mean,
Speaker 5: I was just responding to your comment.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry again, I just so simply asking questions. You
Speaker 2: don't want to have a conversation and respond to questions.
Speaker 2: You want to you want to suggest that somehow, this
Speaker 2: whole thing about Ukraine, Putin has decided that he has
Speaker 2: some compromising pictures of Trump, and therefore Trump has to
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants.
Speaker 5: So yeah, basic thing around, the basic thing around, never never.
Speaker 2: Land with that, John, Okay, if Putin had compromising pictures
Speaker 2: of Trump in twenty twelve, he would have used them
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: He did nothing while Trump was president the first time,
Speaker 2: did nothing, didn't invade anybody. He invaded Crimea, and it
Speaker 2: took Trimea. When Obama was president, he took He took
Speaker 2: Crimea when Obama was president, he invaded Ukraine. When Biden
Speaker 2: was president, he took South Assessina when but when Bush
Speaker 2: was president, he did nothing the first time. So but
Speaker 2: that's fine, you know, you know, if that's your analysis,
Speaker 2: that that Putin has stuff on Trump and that's why
Speaker 2: he is agreeing to perhaps agreeing, perhaps we don't know
Speaker 2: for sure, but agree.
Speaker 5: It's always ready to push the buttons. So so I
Speaker 5: don't know, he's always ready to push the button putin.
Speaker 5: They were trying to deal with him carefully. You know
Speaker 5: he's got he'll go to any LINEX putin.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, thanks very much, John, appreciate it. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna with your permission, uh, Brett, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go to Dawn in New Albany, Indiana here because I'll
Speaker 2: go past. I'll go through the break here, Dawn, welcome
Speaker 2: next on nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 8: Well, hello, I'll try to be briefer than the.
Speaker 2: Last couple of Thank you very much.
Speaker 8: And it's not first time. This is my fourth call.
Speaker 8: I don't want to reiterate all of barbarous excellent points,
Speaker 8: even though I realized that was a challenging call, but
Speaker 8: just at the point where we are today, regardless, I
Speaker 8: think you're surprisingly optimistic about the outcome of this, uh yeah,
Speaker 8: a mineral rights deal or whatever, and I think that's
Speaker 8: going to be really economic and not the kind of
Speaker 8: thing that's going to provide the security guarantees that Ukrainians
Speaker 8: really need, uh for them to be done with the
Speaker 8: war for their territorial integrity. So I kind of hope
Speaker 8: I'm wrong, but this is going to accomplish what you
Speaker 8: seem to expect. We can just hope for the best.
Speaker 8: But I don't think we're there yet, and you're you're
Speaker 8: glossing over I think details about what would follow if
Speaker 8: the economic agreement is enough to get close to peace
Speaker 8: or maintain the peace, whatever kind of buffer.
Speaker 2: When I was trying to say before, and you may
Speaker 2: have heard me say this, maybe not. But let me
Speaker 2: just say real quickly, Maybe maybe Zelenski realizes that a
Speaker 2: NATO membership as a non starter, and maybe he feels
Speaker 2: the best thing is a economic partnership with the US
Speaker 2: in uranium minerals and oil and gas, and that Putin
Speaker 2: wouldn't be crazy enough to reinvade Ukraine as long as
Speaker 2: the United States had an economic interest in the grounds
Speaker 2: of Ukraine.
Speaker 7: I hear you.
Speaker 8: I'm not entirely convinced that it plays out the way
Speaker 8: you've described it, but no doubt happening, you know, NATO's
Speaker 8: not happening at this stage. Certainly wouldn't happen while Trump
Speaker 8: is in office. Regardless of whether that Putin would go
Speaker 8: for it. So anyway, I'm a crossing my fingers hoping
Speaker 8: for the best. But I think an economic agreement is
Speaker 8: simply not the same thing as a security agreement that
Speaker 8: the Ukrainians need and deserve.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hope that whatever agreement is reached. And again,
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure they're going to reach an agreement.
Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting they have at least taken a step
Speaker 2: in the right direction, that's all. I mean. It's easy
Speaker 2: for us to sit here because we're not being bombed
Speaker 2: every day. Ukraine's been bombed for three years. It may
Speaker 2: be that that the moment in time has reached where
Speaker 2: they prefer a peace as opposed to, you know, continue
Speaker 2: being bombed. I don't know. I'm not in Ukraine.
Speaker 8: I'll just throw in here. I don't want to take
Speaker 8: more of your time. But you know, I think Trump
Speaker 8: is truly jealous of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, and I
Speaker 8: think he would really like to find a way to
Speaker 8: justify one. So you know, maybe he'll do it.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize before he
Speaker 2: became even uh, before he took office, you.
Speaker 8: Know that, right, No, No, I you know I agree. Although
Speaker 8: I'm an Obama fan, I think it was unjustified and
Speaker 8: thank you turn it down.
Speaker 2: You know I think that. Yeah. So anyway, don you're
Speaker 2: a reasonable caller. Have you called before?
Speaker 8: This is the fourth call?
Speaker 2: Do me a favor, continue to call more often? Okay,
Speaker 2: at least I was able write a conversation. We agreed,
Speaker 2: and we agreed agreeable, we disagreed, and we did that agreeably.
Speaker 2: And that's what this show is supposed to be about.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You have a great night. We've
Speaker 2: had a great night tonight, and I want to finish strong,
Speaker 2: but I don't have a lot of time. So let
Speaker 2: me get to everybody quickly, and if everybody could be concise,
Speaker 2: I'll try to listen to what you have to say.
Speaker 2: Do it in a minute and a half and I
Speaker 2: won't even interrupt it. Jay in Maine, Jay, You're next
Speaker 2: on Nightside, Go right ahead. That's a strong start. Let's
Speaker 2: let's put Jay on. Let's put Jay on hold bread
Speaker 2: please because Jays there. Let me go to patent framing him.
Speaker 2: Patton next on Nightside, go right ahead.
Speaker 11: Yes, good evening, Dan. I'm just have I just have
Speaker 11: one comment in that regarding the rare minerals or the
Speaker 11: minerals in terms of the proposal. Earlier in the evening,
Speaker 11: you were wondering what they were, as well as one
Speaker 11: of your callers. I'm not sure right and and lall
Speaker 11: Street Journal last week had an excellent article. It carried
Speaker 11: the story on the US Envoy Kellogg's proposed visit with Zelensky,
Speaker 11: and and so that was part of the proposal that
Speaker 11: he was offering him. The minerals that were identified were titanium,
Speaker 11: and they happened to be the world's largest supplier cadmium
Speaker 11: and lithium, and so those in it with minerals, those
Speaker 11: are oh absolutely, and in fact they are resources that
Speaker 11: are increasing in value. If you think of batteries, if
Speaker 11: you I mean just a number of things, even joints
Speaker 11: are made of titanium. So there's a huge demand. Zelensky
Speaker 11: refused the proposal. He said, I really need to speak
Speaker 11: with my team, and he said, you know, at this
Speaker 11: time the US has already given US one hundred billion dollars,
Speaker 11: but I need five hundred And the envoy said, this
Speaker 11: is the best deal that you can get, and we're
Speaker 11: looking at three hundred thousand but we need to have
Speaker 11: some reciprocity.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, because again I'm tight
Speaker 2: on time. Patch called late. And are you optimistic that
Speaker 2: this might actually work? Or no?
Speaker 11: Yes I am. I am optimistic because I think for
Speaker 11: the first time that we are aware, uh, as citizens,
Speaker 11: that there is reciprocity demanded.
Speaker 3: Yep, and uh you know we got.
Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, but you called late,
Speaker 2: and I got it. I got three others I wanted
Speaker 2: to sneak in here. Thank you. Yours was a great call.
Speaker 9: Have you called before now once or twice?
Speaker 11: When you have specialism?
Speaker 2: Come more often? Would you? I'd love to tat to
Speaker 2: you longer. Sure, Thank you appreciate it. Let's go back
Speaker 2: to Jay and Maine. Jay, we're going to give you
Speaker 2: a second shot out here. Go right ahead.
Speaker 1: Hey, how are we doing?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 1: Goodnight, good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 2: You gotta be quick, Jay, We're running out of time.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Yeah, I see you.
Speaker 1: While everybody's winding you up, I try to unwind. Yet's
Speaker 1: like I've been listening for years and I love the show.
Speaker 1: The stress of Nations with Perplexity is where we're at,
Speaker 1: and so I'm thinking I wanted to change gears a
Speaker 1: little bit. When you I listened to you a lot
Speaker 1: for a lot of years. All dogs and cats go
Speaker 1: to heaven.
Speaker 6: Tell me what you say near the end of the night.
Speaker 7: There is that?
Speaker 1: What you say, like, all dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna hear that in about two minutes.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, so they go because they're not guilty
Speaker 1: of doing any evil. So I'm looking forward to see,
Speaker 1: you know, pets and the animals and all that in
Speaker 1: the next world. And hopefully that's disarming everybody that's thinking
Speaker 1: about bombs and money and all these sexes and stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, call earlier some night and we'll have a
Speaker 2: longer conversation about that. But I want to finish up.
Speaker 2: I got a couple of other folks. I want to
Speaker 2: give them a shot.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you for your kindness. Have a good night.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jay, appreciate you. Appreciate the breath of fresh air.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Let me go to Jamie and Winthrop. Jamie,
Speaker 2: you're gonna wrap the hour for us. What's up, Jamie,
Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
Speaker 6: I'll be very quick. So let's ski and Putin don't
Speaker 6: want to sit down at the table together, so it's
Speaker 6: up to us to meet one side, hear what they want,
Speaker 6: meet the other side what they want. And that's basically
Speaker 6: what it's down to. I mean, you're not gonna get
Speaker 6: those two guys to sit together at a table. No
Speaker 6: way in help, you know. So that's why I don't
Speaker 6: understand why people are having a fit about we we
Speaker 6: have to negotiate separately.
Speaker 2: And like some people, there's some folks tonight, including Barbara
Speaker 2: in the hand, who was really they were really wound up.
Speaker 2: And look if if if we can bring these hostilities
Speaker 2: to an end, or if the president President Trump could
Speaker 2: bring them to an end. Uh, and this this or
Speaker 2: could go on forever and another million people can die
Speaker 2: in the next two or three years.
Speaker 6: I mean it looks like being like a mediator between
Speaker 6: a strike.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: You gotta when you have two sides don't want to talk,
Speaker 6: you have to go to a mediator. And this is
Speaker 6: what we're doing.
Speaker 2: I think I think I let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: I think you nailed it. I should have probably used
Speaker 2: that analogy earlier tonight. But Jamie, I appreciate your call.
Speaker 2: I really do. Uh, and I hope they do. I
Speaker 2: hope you call more off.
Speaker 6: He was going to call tonight, but I was listening
Speaker 6: to all the belligerent people and I just felt like.
Speaker 1: Help.
Speaker 2: I generally don't need the help, but thank you very much. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: Thanks Jamie. We'll talk again all right.
Speaker 3: Good nap, Thanks.
Speaker 2: Brett, great job tonight. Thank you so much. We expect
Speaker 2: Rob Brett back tomorrow night. Brett, you were welcome any
Speaker 2: night here on nights. I want to thank Maritas well.
Speaker 2: I want to thank all the callers, including Barbara from Nahant,
Speaker 2: some more challenging than others. I'll end us always, All dogs,
Speaker 2: all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's why Pal
Speaker 2: Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago this very month.
Speaker 2: That's why your pets are who have passed. They loved
Speaker 2: you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
Speaker 2: them again. If you'll join me tonight on Facebook at
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Speaker 2: couple of minutes. Have a great Wednesday, everyone, We're back
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Thanks everyone. Thanks Brett.