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Always read the leafless. 25 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.319 Oh hey, it's still the guy who runs the local 26 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:07.760 board game night, hoping someone shows up with the pizza 27 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.719 place to game Ali Ward Boy, Hootie. Once again, it's 28 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.359 part two of Striga Formology Owls. Many of you noted 29 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.079 last week that I missed the opportunity to say alogies, 30 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:20.040 and that made me feel bad because you're right. Also, 31 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.120 you were like, does this have the same root word 32 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.920 as an Italian witch? And I'm glad that I have 33 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.120 the chance to clear that up in this episode, which 34 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.760 we do, especially since I am an Italian lady who 35 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:31.439 collects rocks and I have animal teeth and jars. But 36 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:33.359 if you haven't listened to part one, I don't know 37 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.920 why you're here first, because you got to go back 38 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.000 and you got to meet Rocky. You gotta find out 39 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.239 what an owl is, So go back to part one. 40 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.400 We'll see you back here when you're finished. Everyone else, 41 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.840 you made it in order. You waited a week, and 42 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.519 now we're at the thrilling conclusion of Owls. But before 43 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.959 we swoop into it, thank you to all the patrons 44 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.640 who submitted questions for this episode via Patreon dot com 45 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.280 slash ologies. This entire episode is all your questions and 46 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.879 you two can join for one dollar a month if 47 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.079 you're not. Thank you to everyone who's out there in 48 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.239 ologies merch fromologiesmarch dot com and if you need kid 49 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.000 friendly no swearing episodes, you can find them in their 50 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:11.159 own feed called smologies wherever you get your podcasts. It's 51 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:12.800 also linked in the show notes. And thank you, of 52 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.319 course to folks who review the show for zero dollars 53 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.599 and you know I read them all, such as this 54 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.599 freshy from Escabe who wrote a litmus test slip in 55 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.680 amazing information about slug doongs at a dinner party and 56 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.479 see who's eyes light up? That's your new friend. Thank you, 57 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:32.800 Ali Ward Escab Cornermie near the spinach dip any day. Okay, 58 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.000 so let's get into struggle Formology Owls Part two, wherein 59 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.599 we will discuss what to say to an owl, what 60 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.319 not to say, exorcist heads, omens wisdom, nesting season, Stolen Hats, 61 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.639 homicide trials, the spotted owl versus barred owl. Great debate, 62 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.960 this guest's favorite owl and the one he wants to 63 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.919 see the most in real life. If a group of 64 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.800 them is actually called a parliament and so much more 65 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.599 with your favorite owl guy forormologist, doctor r J. Rocky 66 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:25.599 gutierres whoms we love. Can I ask you some questions 67 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.599 from listeners? Are you doing okay? I know I've kept 68 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:28.400 you all. 69 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.400 I've got all the time you want. 70 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:31.479 Okay, amazing? 71 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:32.240 I love this. 72 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.919 Oh okay, some questions from listeners, and we have so 73 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:37.719 many good ones. 74 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:41.719 Hi, Ali, this is Leilani Ramirez from Los Angeles. This 75 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.759 is my first time asking a question, so I'm really 76 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.240 excited to learn more about owls. I had a question 77 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:52.120 about their hands feet. I'm not really sure what you 78 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:56.120 would call them, but I guess their talents. I've heard 79 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.000 that they can rotate one of their talents, so they 80 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.319 can have them in either two to two or a 81 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.800 three to one configuration, which I guess is why they 82 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.039 walk so differently from so many other birds. I was 83 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.599 wondering if all owls have that, or if there are 84 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:16.639 some that don't, and how exactly that adaptation is beneficial 85 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.560 for them. Thank you so much. 86 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:22.360 So. Yeah, do they have four claws that they switch 87 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:23.920 around to configurations? 88 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.720 Yeah, they have four claws and the person is correct, 89 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.959 but it's the how to toe is reversible, so they 90 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.199 can put two forward and two back, and so they 91 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:39.079 when they come down, they can like grab them on 92 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:43.000 and have a much more secure grip on whatever they 93 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:44.639 grab a hold, so. 94 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.000 They can go three up top, one on bottom, or 95 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.480 they can swing that thing around for a two and two, 96 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.759 so like three dagger fingers and a spike themb or 97 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:56.600 like a spock claw of death. We'll chat more about 98 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.079 it in terms of forensic science in a bit. 99 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.560 So that is one of the unique features of these 100 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.600 things that they can in fact have that reversible outer 101 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:11.000 toe and have two forward and two back. And the 102 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.519 other interesting things about about owls in their talons is 103 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:20.079 they're usually adapted to the sides of the prey that 104 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.959 they take. When you see us great big owl like 105 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.959 a great gray owl, they have relatively small talons because 106 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:31.959 they're taking meadow voles and mice and small mammals, and 107 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.560 so they don't need great big talents. And you look 108 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.959 something like a spotted owl, which is quite a bit 109 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.839 smaller than a great gray they have really big talons 110 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.839 and they're catching an animal that's a third their size 111 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.879 or wood rats is their primary prey, so they're cratching 112 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.519 huge animals in relationship, and so it's like four stilettos 113 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.639 going right into the body of or eight. Actually when 114 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.079 you talk about both talons, and again you know, depending 115 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.439 on the size of the owl, they have different strength 116 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.800 at which they can apply to the prey. And people 117 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.360 have actually measured this. So the amount of force that 118 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.959 is required to release say a little owl like a 119 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.160 borrowing owl, is something called five newtons. Well that's no 120 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.680 more than saying it's like, you know, one point one 121 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.040 pounds pressure. So if you apply one point one pounds 122 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.279 of force against this, you can open up the talons 123 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.120 of a little tiny owl and what it feels like 124 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.480 is somebody pinching you. Like one time an owl hit 125 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:40.720 the window my wife Kati, she went out to retrieve it. 126 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.720 Actually didn't look at it, she just saw it was 127 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.120 a bird. And the first thing, and this is a 128 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.279 tip for the audience, if a bird ever hits your 129 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.120 window and you don't know if it's a live or 130 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.199 dead this gently pick it up by the whole body, 131 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.000 put it in a box on top of a towel, 132 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.560 and then close the box up and put it in 133 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:04.160 a quiet, dark place and just leave it there for 134 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.199 you know, four or five hours, because owls are amazingly 135 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.240 resilient when they hit windows if they don't outright kill them, 136 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.879 oftentimes they won't die of shock if you put them 137 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.519 in there and they have a chance to relax and be. 138 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.040 Quiet, and always a good idea non pros to call 139 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.079 your local wildlife rehabber as soon as you can to 140 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.920 get some advice too. But yeah, many say that a 141 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.879 quiet dark box or even a paper bag helps the 142 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.920 little birdies calm down. And if you start to hear 143 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.879 like the a pitter patter of feet inside, they may 144 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.839 be awake and ready to kind of pop out and 145 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.759 then chill out. But in that time they likely don't 146 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.319 need food or water. But if you provide it, don't 147 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.360 try to jam it down their little throats like a 148 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.519 beer bong, because they could choke or they'd be pissed 149 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.399 at you. Also, to prevent the bird strikes in the 150 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.879 first place, you can look into things like window films 151 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.879 they have like dots or patterns, or you can use 152 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.920 a glass marker I read to put a grid of 153 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.600 dots on your own window. You could turn the lights 154 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.600 off at night. You can hang things up in your 155 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.560 windows and according to this twenty twenty three paper, evidence 156 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:21.560 consequences and angle of strike of bird window collisions up 157 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:26.120 to five point two billion bird fatalities maybe happening in 158 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.800 just the United States, with potentially billions more worldwide every year. 159 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.679 So we'll link some resources on our website because we 160 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.639 all want birds to like us. And it can still 161 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.720 happen even to professionals, even to professional bird people. But 162 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.799 you can help these little fellas out, like Kat did 163 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.000 after this strike. 164 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.919 Well, anyway, she picked up this little owl and she 165 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:49.639 snatched her, you know, and grabbed her by the finger, 166 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.000 you know. And so then she realized, oh, I got 167 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.080 a live one here. So it was a little pigmy ow, 168 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:57.799 and she pulled the talons apart and then went into 169 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.039 the house, and of course it lived in, which we're 170 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.000 happy about. But other species, like the great horned owl, 171 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.600 when it lashes onto something, it takes about thirty pounds 172 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:13.919 of pressure to pull him apart, and so spotted owl 173 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.679 is like fifteen eighteen pounds of pressure. Now, one time 174 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.919 we were working in New Mexico and a graduate student 175 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.000 from another university had called me up and asked me 176 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.679 if I would show him how to catch owls and 177 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:29.600 work with owls because he wanted to do a study 178 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.639 on him, and his major professor was not an owl person. 179 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.799 I said, sure, And of course this happens a lot 180 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.919 in academia. Students from other universities will call up somebody 181 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:43.440 and ask him for some assistance, and very typically everybody 182 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.559 helps everybody else most of the time. And so I 183 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.559 went out to New Mexico because I wanted to get 184 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.759 some blood and tissue samples for a genetics study I 185 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.960 was doing with my colleague George Baraclaw. 186 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:55.840 Well. 187 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.080 To make a long story short, his major professor wanted 188 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.399 to see us catching up out and so we went 189 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.279 and caught this owl, and he finally caught it and 190 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.000 I ran over to get it. So I just grabbed 191 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:12.399 its foot and it just latched onto me, and it 192 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.840 put its talons all the way through the fat part 193 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.679 of my hand, between my forefinger and my thumb, and there's, 194 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.960 of course, there's blood everywhere. And the kid's major professor 195 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.480 he walks up looking at us, and he says, does 196 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:31.440 that hurt? I said no, I said, I said, no, 197 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.360 it doesn't hurt at all. But when you start pulling 198 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.799 this thing apart, you know you have to be very 199 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.159 careful because you don't want to hurt the owl. That 200 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:42.279 you have to apply this pressure and you can just 201 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:46.080 see the owl looking at you and thinking, I am 202 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.840 not letting go of you unless you let go of me. 203 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.679 Oh wow, yeah, so that that happens. 204 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.200 You know, you're just in a tense stand up. 205 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.559 You're not a true howler can get. 206 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.919 Nailed, okay, but what if you are, say, pet sized, 207 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.960 wondered doctor Primo de la Kata, a retired organ grinder, 208 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:10.080 as did other patrons Shana s, Alison Menard, and Nicki Lawrence, 209 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.519 who wanted to know if the spiky jacket small dogs 210 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.639 were really can deter an owl. Nick Lawrence also mentioned 211 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.600 that they are concerned about a local muskrat getting attacked 212 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.399 by an owl. So the issue of how much a 213 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.639 larger owl can lift in its hook talents seems hotly 214 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.759 debated and I found a lot of conflicting information, but 215 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.360 the general advice seems to be keep your little guys 216 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.360 on a leash unless they're a wild muskrat. But the 217 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.919 consensus is on the spiky vest for little dogs that 218 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.320 can't hurt at least it can't hurt as much as 219 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.519 a bird can, And now that we know that, I 220 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.120 would like to take a moment to share some stories 221 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.360 from listeners who wrote in via Patreon dot com sashologies 222 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.039 because they were good ones. Lauren Cuff noted that I 223 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.120 live in Vancouver, PC and there's a park where barred 224 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.320 owls have been known to dive bomb humans, sometimes even 225 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.120 scraping their talents and causing in trees. Kathyin Buckley said, 226 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:04.559 my dad got swooped at and attacked by an owl 227 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.559 on his walk a few days ago. Is this normal? 228 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.240 Was it the fact that he's bald? Catherine notes that 229 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.039 he did get a tennis shot afterwards and is completely fine, 230 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.600 and so is the owl, so that's all good. Ads 231 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.799 the erminologist, wanted us to know that when driving a 232 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.039 four wheeler on a farm one night, at the last 233 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.120 minute with their head lamp, they saw a great horned 234 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.759 owl came at their face with claws upblazing. Ads says, 235 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.120 I did get some nasty cuts and a scar on 236 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.000 my chin. Is this normal behavior? Was it attracted to 237 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.879 the light and thought my face was prey. It did 238 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.200 fly away very quickly when my arms went crazy, Ad says, 239 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.919 And then Kathleen Carlson said, a couple of years ago, 240 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.759 I was trail running in the winter February on Vancouver 241 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.879 Island before sunrise, which already Kathleen like, good, good for you, 242 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.759 and then an owl swooped right over us and made 243 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.080 contact with my friend's head with its wing. We turned 244 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.120 around and it followed us through the tree canopy for 245 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:57.000 about five hundred meters down the trail. Mattea or recalled 246 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.919 at one time an Eastern screech owl mail chased me 247 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.080 for several hundred yards one of the highlights of their life. 248 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.720 They say, anyway, do owls do stuff like that because 249 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.519 they like it? Do they like to play? Firecaf fifty 250 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.799 five said sometimes they come into my house. Wonder what 251 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:14.120 that's all about? Firecaf fifty five, So am I what? 252 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.600 Chris curious asked, why do barn owls act so weird 253 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.879 around people? Ariel Mbi shared that at their college there 254 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.480 was an owl that was famed for swooping down on 255 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:27.759 students in the night and it was truly terrifying. Andy Pepper, 256 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:31.840 Michelle and Emily Tiernaney all had similar queries, with Emily 257 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:36.000 writing longtime Listener, First time calor, why do owls steal hats. 258 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:38.720 Do owls like to go after a hat? 259 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.960 No, actually, I don't think so. I think what they're 260 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:48.759 observing is a territorial behavior or a defensive young. Some 261 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.399 owls are very very aggressive, and if you get near 262 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.240 their young or get near their nests, like great horned 263 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:59.080 owls and uralaloals are notorious for this that if you 264 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:02.159 get near their nest to the young, they attacking, and 265 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.919 so oftentimes they're coming for your head or your eyes 266 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.919 and they hit you in the head. And so very 267 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.279 often people working on owls or word helmets or goggles 268 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:16.440 or big hats to prevent them from getting wound on 269 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:17.399 the head. 270 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:19.679 Okay, I found some recent YouTube footage of a person 271 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.320 jogging on a trail in a redwood forest, and their 272 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.679 account is called run from Owls. Let's take a listen 273 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:35.399 to a video titled owl attack Beautiful Trail Today. That 274 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:45.120 is good, you got my hat. You're serious. So that 275 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:48.519 owl thinks you're a big, weird ape creature, which to 276 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.440 be fair, we are, and it wants you to leave 277 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:55.159 its fuzzy babies alone. So yes, they are very serious. 278 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.399 So that's what they're really going after. They're not really 279 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.039 going after your hat. They're going after you, then they 280 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.360 just happen to get your hat. 281 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.679 Well, a few people and this information was new to me, 282 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.759 but Pennyloader, Gomez and James Moorehead wanted to know. 283 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:10.879 Well. 284 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.480 Liz Tim asked, did the owl do it? If you know? 285 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:14.799 You know? 286 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.360 Pennyloader wanted to know what you think about the owl defense. 287 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.559 In a homicide investigation called the staircase. 288 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.559 Have you heard of this? I have not. 289 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.600 I guess there was a famous homicide case where someone 290 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.879 was implicated in the death of his wife, but then 291 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.559 they found what could be talon marks on her head 292 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.039 and she may have been attacked by an owl. But 293 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.960 it was some very big crime story about whether or 294 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.639 not this man who was up on a homicide trial 295 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.000 for his wife, if actually an owl had attacked her 296 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.960 and she fell down some stairs after she was popped 297 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.120 by an owl. So that was news to me too. 298 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.919 It's interesting that that does happen you're in if you're 299 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.759 in their territory, that they could say, hey, get out here, 300 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:01.919 I got babies around here. 301 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.480 Yeah. That One of my colleagues from Finland who works 302 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:11.000 on eur ASLs Perte, he had a video of him 303 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.080 going up to a nest box and he was going 304 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.120 to ban the babies. He's on the ladder and this 305 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.840 y'all came up and grabbed him right on the butt 306 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.240 and was trying to pull him off of the ladder. 307 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:28.039 So he starts saying he's rubbing his butt because you know, 308 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.559 they hurt and they gets you. So, yeah, it's not 309 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:36.519 implausible that an al could have hit somebody like that 310 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.399 and cause them to leaves rebellons and fall down there. 311 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.799 But you know, I just don't know the details of 312 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:44.799 why the owl would be inside a house. 313 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.600 I think they think it happened right outside and then 314 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:51.080 maybe she was bleeding started ascending the stairs up to 315 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.080 her bedroom and then collapsed or something. Okay, I brushed 316 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.200 up on this because many of you, Penny Loader Gomez, 317 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.039 Lizz Tim James Moorehead asked about this and the hypothesis 318 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:04.079 in the death of Kathleen Peterson was put forward by 319 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.160 her neighbor Larry Pollard, who had seen owls a lot 320 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.480 in the area. So babies typically hatch in late winter 321 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.279 and early spring, but at the time of Kathleen's death 322 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.880 in December two thousand and one, a pair of birds 323 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.279 may already have been guarding a nesting site, so forensic 324 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.480 teams did find a microscopic feather in her hair, as 325 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:27.599 well as a small splinter of wood, and some autopsy 326 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:31.839 reports show several gashes on her scalp in the shape 327 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:36.359 of three with one below it, which ornithologists say does 328 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.759 fit the pattern of talons on an owl. Now it's 329 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.799 a longer story. The victim's husband had also been implicated 330 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.880 in a family friend's death who fell down a staircase 331 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.960 years before, and he did serve some time for his 332 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.440 wife's death, which was thought to be a homicide, but 333 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.000 he's currently free. And if you've heard of the documentary 334 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.640 The Staircase, if that's your thing, it covers this whole tragedy, 335 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:59.319 but you're not going to hear a lot about owls 336 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:01.759 in it because the forensic evidence that could have showed 337 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:05.640 an owl's involvement was discovered too late to be included 338 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.200 in the trial. So the theory, though, is covered extensively 339 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.279 in Titty Smith's twenty twenty three book called Death by Talons. 340 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:18.160 But Kathleen's death and the possible owl involvement remains a 341 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.599 mystery and sadly kind of a punchline. 342 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:21.279 But owls. 343 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:26.240 Are you serious? Yes, they are, Sienna red Kite, Faith Stemier, 344 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.079 Rob Hoover, Bonnie M. Rutherford all wanted to know well. 345 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.319 Faith wrote, yes, owls a lot of exclamation points. Do 346 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:35.680 any owls migrate? 347 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.519 Yes, they do, and some of them show nomadic behaviors. So, 348 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:45.759 for example, there's a phenomenon called eruptions that the snowy 349 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.160 owl and hawk ow exhibit when there's a what we 350 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.480 think of failure of their primary food in the far 351 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.200 North and they move south and invade the United States 352 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:01.200 and in northern Minnesota at times. I've driven out. When 353 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.359 I was on the faculty at the University of Minnesota, 354 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.759 we had an eruption one year and my wife and 355 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.559 I drove up about twenty five minutes north of the 356 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.720 Twin Cities and we saw twenty seven great gray owls 357 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.519 and three hawk owls and three hours. Wow, they just 358 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.039 come in mass. So that's sort of a form of 359 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.119 migration to movement. Some species, like the spotted owl, we'll 360 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:27.319 show seasonal movements where they will leave a higher country 361 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.079 and then go back during the winter and then come back 362 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.400 in the springtime. But not all of them do that, 363 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.000 so it's not a guaranteed thing. Flammulated owls will migrate 364 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.920 tang manzals or boreal owls or will migrate in Finland. 365 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.559 One of my greatest experiences was being invited by some 366 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:51.960 Finnish scientists to trap tango manzals in north of the 367 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.720 Arctic Circle. And we set up a triangle of nets, 368 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.920 put a fake owl in the middle and turned on 369 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.559 a tape recorder and sat back and we're playing this 370 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.119 call and the northern lights are right on top of us. 371 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.640 And we went over there. We had like eight boreal 372 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.720 owls stuck in the nets, and I mean it was 373 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.960 fantastic and they were on their migratory route south. So yes, 374 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:20.720 some owls do migrate, Some show uberuptions, some populations proportions 375 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:25.079 and birds migrate, others don't. So a lot of variability there. 376 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:27.319 What is your passport? 377 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:27.480 Like? 378 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.519 Do they have to add pages to it? 379 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:32.160 I usually just get new ones. 380 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.880 Sounds like you and Kat have been so many places? 381 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.920 Yeah, well, you know, owls are always on the top 382 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:41.440 of the list. 383 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:42.200 Let's go. 384 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:42.880 Let's go. 385 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.440 A few people. Mary the grapefruit tailor are and Sarah 386 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.559 Green wanted to know is a group of owls actually 387 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.960 call to parliament or is that just pop culture? 388 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.279 No, that's correct, Is it really? Yes? 389 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:58.839 Do you ever use that in the field, like, oh, 390 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.200 there's a part we drove three hours and we saw 391 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:02.480 parliament of owls. 392 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.480 Well, I never have, and I don't know anybody else's 393 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:07.640 it has, because we usually don't see a big group 394 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.200 of owls like that. But you probably could call it 395 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.960 a parliament of owls when you're looking at six or 396 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.440 seven great gray or great girls and a hawk owl 397 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.480 and the snowy owl on the same field, you know, 398 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.880 so that might be a parliament of owls, although I 399 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:26.640 never thought of it that way, but that is true, 400 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:27.720 that's the correct term. 401 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.279